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There's a distinct lack of ambition amongst far too many.

[PeterWithesShin]

For an example of the space needed, Spurs new stadium. In terms of footprint the stadium also is roughly twice the size of its predecessor (43,000 compared to 24,000 m2).

[Chris Harte]

Having had time to sleep on it, I'm still dead set against moving from Villa Park. However, if we were to do similar to what Spurs have done then that might be acceptable to me.

If we did what Spurs did, where would we move to while Villa Park was rebuilt?  I know tbe council are desperate for the Alexander Stadium to be used more, but surely that's far too small?

That's the beauty of it. We wouldn't have to move. Build three stands where there's currently a housing estate (I know this causes issues and isn't easily solvable) then move across Witton Lane to play there, demolish  the existing VP and build the last stand after we've moved in.

[Chris Harte]

Well at least we know why people think we can build it in the city centre! Apparently something with the footprint of a 60k stadium is the same as building something with the footprint of an office block.

It's not, and nobody said it was. What do you think was there in London before Arsenal built their new stadium, a conveniently empty 15 acre car park that everybody had forgotten about?

What was there, Risso?

Genuine question, as I don't know.

[dave.woodhall]

Well at least we know why people think we can build it in the city centre! Apparently something with the footprint of a 60k stadium is the same as building something with the footprint of an office block.

It's not, and nobody said it was. What do you think was there in London before Arsenal built their new stadium, a conveniently empty 15 acre car park that everybody had forgotten about?

A rubbish dump and industrial units, I believe.

[PeterWithesShin]

Well at least we know why people think we can build it in the city centre! Apparently something with the footprint of a 60k stadium is the same as building something with the footprint of an office block.

It's not, and nobody said it was. What do you think was there in London before Arsenal built their new stadium, a conveniently empty 15 acre car park that everybody had forgotten about?

The land, 450 metres (490 yd) from Highbury was composed of a rubbish processing plant and industrial estate.

[Somniloquism]

Well at least we know why people think we can build it in the city centre! Apparently something with the footprint of a 60k stadium is the same as building something with the footprint of an office block.

It's not, and nobody said it was. What do you think was there in London before Arsenal built their new stadium, a conveniently empty 15 acre car park that everybody had forgotten about?

A rubbish dump and industrial units, I believe.

I might be wrong as well but wasn't Islington just a suburb very similar in style and makeup to the area surround Aston. Same as Tottenham / White Hart Lane. And then of course the Eastside of Manchester for the Etihad.  Of course what Risso also forgot is they moved a few hundred yards as well which is what most of us are actually suggesting for our new location.

[Villan82]

There's a distinct lack of ambition amongst far too many.

That is so, so unfair. I distinctly remember in 2022 how excited you were about the North redevelopment. Can recall you using a term like 'it'll be a beast' or something along those lines. And it was packaged as being regeneration for the whole area. As things stand, given the lack of info, we now don't even have that! Maybe that's what's unambitious, ditching a viable plan that was ready for 2026 for.... something that may not happen, or if it does is about 7 or 8 years away, thus consigning us to more time playing catch up?

Why describe it as unambitious to prefer redeveloping what many of us value as opposed to some unicorn that nobody can find a site for?

For what its worth, Cris Harte above has proposed something workable and amitious that would be a decent compromise between the two positions.

[Somniloquism]

There's a distinct lack of ambition amongst far too many.

I wouldn't state lack of ambition. Just most people (who live here day to day) stating we don't see where that would be possible. I've offered where I consider the closest we could build simply because of the size we need, the topography and knowing what is there already.

What you are asking for seems to be more me asking for world peace and an end to all wars. It would be the perfect scenario but does me asking for it mean other who don't have a district lack of ambition, because I can't see either of our scenarios actually happening.

[kippaxvilla2]

I’d like us to move but I don’t know where. 

[The Edge]

Fuck it, give them a million quid per house. It'll be cheaper than buying up a whole new site.

would be interesting to see how Birmingham City Council would handle that. I imagine there are a few of their tenants in the areas of VP.

I bet there are hardly any anywhere near the ground now they've demolished all the council housing up aston hall road - those are all privately owned houses.

I believe that they are all privately owned. Some rented out some with families of different generations. A lad at work tells me his grandparents own one backing on to the little park built by HDE and the talk around there is that they're expecting the club to make them an offer in the near future and that they'll try to hold out for around 300k!! It's all pure speculation of course but it's a conversation being had by the locals.

[Risso]

Well at least we know why people think we can build it in the city centre! Apparently something with the footprint of a 60k stadium is the same as building something with the footprint of an office block.

It's not, and nobody said it was. What do you think was there in London before Arsenal built their new stadium, a conveniently empty 15 acre car park that everybody had forgotten about?

A rubbish dump and industrial units, I believe.

I might be wrong as well but wasn't Islington just a suburb very similar in style and makeup to the area surround Aston. Same as Tottenham / White Hart Lane. And then of course the Eastside of Manchester for the Etihad.  Of course what Risso also forgot is they moved a few hundred yards as well which is what most of us are actually suggesting for our new location.

Somebody's never been to Arsenal away, clearly.

[dave.woodhall]

Fuck it, give them a million quid per house. It'll be cheaper than buying up a whole new site.

would be interesting to see how Birmingham City Council would handle that. I imagine there are a few of their tenants in the areas of VP.

I bet there are hardly any anywhere near the ground now they've demolished all the council housing up aston hall road - those are all privately owned houses.

I believe that they are all privately owned. Some rented out some with families of different generations. A lad at work tells me his grandparents own one backing on to the little park built by HDE and the talk around there is that they're expecting the club to make them an offer in the near future and that they'll try to hold out for around 300k!! It's all pure speculation of course but it's a conversation being had by the locals.

That's interesting. We talk about it all the time but nobody asks them.

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Because I'd like a new North Stand. But I'd like the best stadium in the country even more. I made the comment with reference to the notion that it is some how beyond the wit of man to pick somewhere adequate to develop in the city centre, like Risso said, its not about scrounging after car parks.

What you value is of no tangible worth. What I value is fresh memories of success. I strongly believe I'll make plenty in Athens in May and want to do that forever. A new stadium gives us the opportunity to compete at the very top. Take a look at the table, the squad, the manager and imagine what an extra £100m/150m income would have let us do this season. Tomorrow would have a whole other goal for us. That's what I want.

Staying in some deprived inner city suburb, with subpar facilities, capped by transport issues, location for the stadia use the rest of the year...just God no. And for what? Tradition? How about a tradition of winning. Let's try that.

[Somniloquism]

Well at least we know why people think we can build it in the city centre! Apparently something with the footprint of a 60k stadium is the same as building something with the footprint of an office block.

It's not, and nobody said it was. What do you think was there in London before Arsenal built their new stadium, a conveniently empty 15 acre car park that everybody had forgotten about?

A rubbish dump and industrial units, I believe.

I might be wrong as well but wasn't Islington just a suburb very similar in style and makeup to the area surround Aston. Same as Tottenham / White Hart Lane. And then of course the Eastside of Manchester for the Etihad.  Of course what Risso also forgot is they moved a few hundred yards as well which is what most of us are actually suggesting for our new location.

Somebody's never been to Arsenal away, clearly.

It depends if you mean in the last 20 years when the area was revitalised with the building of Ashburton grove which brought more people in for the conference facilities, modernised the tube stations and to visit the stadium because of their success at the time. Or before it was built when Highbury was near industrial units and a rubbish tip?  Edit: Tell me this scene does not look like the Victorian streets found next to Villa Park.

It is amazing what building such a big stand near our current one might do for the surrounding area.