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[Somniloquism]

None of it’s our job though but there is post after post saying we should move to a new ground.

I think you're really struggling with the point of a discussion board again Chris.

Not really. A lot of people have said move to the city centre, and when asked for opinions on where so a discussion can be had on it's suitability, then cried off with "Not my job, I'm not a property developer". It seems they are the ones who struggle with the point of a discussion board.

[Risso]

People have suggested the gas holders site, and the Royal mail site, so there's two. There's also absolutely no way of knowing how the council or existing businesses would react if a multi billion pound development company offered to to redevelop a certain area. So no, you're talking nonsense, as usual.

[pauliewalnuts]

People have suggested the gas holders site, and the Royal mail site, so there's two.

And who was it who suggested the Royal Mail site in the first place?

[Somniloquism]

People have suggested the gas holders site, and the Royal mail site, so there's two. There's also absolutely no way of knowing how the council or existing businesses would react if a multi billion pound development company offered to to redevelop a certain area. So no, you're talking nonsense, as usual.

Yes Risso, I did suggest the post office site as a potential one FOR discussion, the same as someone might suggest we should go out and buy a specific player for discussion, because as you pointed out just a few posts ago, this is a discussion board. But now you seem to think that anyone who doesn't post something you agree with is talking nonsense as usual. I'm surprised you didn't attack me more which seems to be your usual MO for when you don't like people not liking your nonsense, as usual.

[Sexual Ealing]

There's a lot of deck chairs being rearranged on the Titanic here. We need to accept that we've had our day and that Blues are going to be the big dog now. 60,000 'people' watching a home derby with Port Vale? We're never competing with that. At the end of the day, we're a small, rattled club in Staffordshire. It's over. They've won.

[thick_mike]

There’s the old airfield between Wing, Cublington and Stewkley. I’m sure the chicken farm owners could be persuaded to sell up for a reasonable price and it has great transport links to Wing and the wider Leighton Buzzard area.

[The Edge]

I'm all for remaining at Villa Park but if we're forced to move due to constraints on redeveloping it then I'd have to say Avenue Rd is my preferred option. People keep on bringing up the same non starters ie Smithfield and Washwood Heath. These sites have gone guys. Avenue Rd would need a lot of work on the transport network and we would be leaving behind a site with 2 local train stations. Although you can access the canal at Avenue Rd and walk towards the centre or go the other way and exit at the Swan and Mitre opposite Aston station. Only a 5/10 minute walk.

[paul_e]

Lets not forget this all started from 1 comment:

But as others have said where to? There is no where in the city centre, or the surrounding area to where we are now.  Moving to the NEC is a no because that area copes with traffic just like Aston does, don't believe me go drive round there when there is a big show on. Also with midweek games you'll have to contend with JLR shift change over which will be an absolute nightmare.

The bold bit just isn't true, people have made suggestions and they've been driving the conversation on this thread for days. It's also a perfectly reasonable opinion to believe that we'd be better moving nearer to the city centre but not feelnig like you personally have enough knowledge of the area/options to make a suggestion on top of the ones we've seen.

[tomd2103]

I'm all for remaining at Villa Park but if we're forced to move due to constraints on redeveloping it then I'd have to say Avenue Rd is my preferred option. People keep on bringing up the same non starters ie Smithfield and Washwood Heath. These sites have gone guys. Avenue Rd would need a lot of work on the transport network and we would be leaving behind a site with 2 local train stations. Although you can access the canal at Avenue Rd and walk towards the centre or go the other way and exit at the Swan and Mitre opposite Aston station. Only a 5/10 minute walk.

The gas holders site is literally a 15 minute walk from New Street and less than that from Snow Hill.  There are a number of bus stops closer than that.  There are also a number of large, cheap car parks in the Gun Quarter which is about a 10 minute walk from there.  The other side might be a bit more tricky, but it's got good access to the city centre cutting through the University campus.

[Somniloquism]

The gas holders site is literally a 15 minute walk from New Street and less than that from Snow Hill.  There are a number of bus stops closer than that.  There are also a number of large, cheap car parks in the Gun Quarter which is about a 10 minute walk from there.  The other side might be a bit more tricky, but it's got good access to the city centre cutting through the University campus.

Google maps using average walking speed has it almost double that. Yes some could still do it in 15 but that would be at a 4mph walking speed where most would be 3mph and less.

And you do mention all the car parking in the gun quarter, regularly. But that might numerous enough if a 60k stadium is built that close to them. Yes we might need less cars with it being closer to the city, but I would argue the parking around Villa Park is currently more capacity then the car parks at the quarter and that is barely enough for 40k. And I also expect any pricing to change on them as well, ala £5-10 for the two to three hour parking around VP.

Not knocking the location though, just the claims of access being that easy. (Google Maps also does it based on actual routes that could be walked, which might also change if the stadium is built there.)

[algy]

There's a lot of deck chairs being rearranged on the Titanic here. We need to accept that we've had our day and that Blues are going to be the big dog now. 60,000 'people' watching a home derby with Port Vale? We're never competing with that. At the end of the day, we're a small, rattled club in Staffordshire. It's over. They've won.

The writing has been on the wall since that bloke in the blue Next suit bought a couple of dozen real working class Brummies a pint. We all knew what that meant. The end of the road for us middle class twats from the shires, the dawn of a golden era for those who drink in town.

It was nice while it lasted.

[Risso]

People have suggested the gas holders site, and the Royal mail site, so there's two. There's also absolutely no way of knowing how the council or existing businesses would react if a multi billion pound development company offered to to redevelop a certain area. So no, you're talking nonsense, as usual.

Yes Risso, I did suggest the post office site as a potential one FOR discussion, the same as someone might suggest we should go out and buy a specific player for discussion, because as you pointed out just a few posts ago, this is a discussion board. But now you seem to think that anyone who doesn't post something you agree with is talking nonsense as usual. I'm surprised you didn't attack me more which seems to be your usual MO for when you don't like people not liking your nonsense, as usual.

Me, attack you? That's more than a bit rich.

I'm more than happy to debate the different options for Villa Park, from staying put and doing nothing, to developing the whole existing site, to moving to somewhere else. What isn't a particular interesting debate is to be told that unless posters can point to an exact 16 acre site that would fit the bill, then it's not worth discussing. You have to ask yourself why our owners have invited an enormous infrastructure firm to invest in the company and take seats on the board. The new investors haven't done it so they can share in the annual losses that comes from running an existing football club and leaving things exactly as they are.

[PeterWithe]

Hands up anyone who's going in to work for an hour's overtime. And I'm struggling a bit with the line of thinking suggesting that because New Street is one of the busiest stations in Europe it somehow means it's easier to schedule more trains into it.

I said its a big station, I'm not sure its in the top 50 busiest stations in Europe.

As a wider point maybe this is a reason why Brum and the Midlands are always behind everyone else when it comes to getting the funding we need, we are not demanding enough.

The railway and transport authority's job is to move people about, we have lots of fans who need to be moved about more efficiently than they are now. But we seem to be far too accepting of their reasons for not doing it.

[PeterWithesShin]

It's the busiest non London station in the UK. A moderately interesting fact.

[ChicagoLion]

Birmingham transport infrastructure has been holding the city back for decades.