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[LeeB]

You know, I always thought it was 'handgun' until now.

[Sexual Ealing]

yeah i'm sure there is. I'm not making out Birmingham is some sort of friendly paradise or anywhere else for that matter, just London is the extreme of that sort of urban living. The size has a lot to do with it.

This is absolute nonsense, sb. Hardly anyone in London is 'from' there, and they're as friendly as anyone else. If people don't talk to you on buses, well, who wants to talk to a stranger on a bus?!

[Sexual Ealing]

Also, people in Mexico City are very friendly, and that place dwarfs London.

[sickbeggar]

yeah i'm sure there is. I'm not making out Birmingham is some sort of friendly paradise or anywhere else for that matter, just London is the extreme of that sort of urban living. The size has a lot to do with it.

This is absolute nonsense, sb. Hardly anyone in London is 'from' there, and they're as friendly as anyone else. If people don't talk to you on buses, well, who wants to talk to a stranger on a bus?!

Not my experience SE.  I once held open a door in london for someone in 1987. I'd still be there now if I hadn't eventually let it close in someone's face as is the etiquette

[Chico Hamilton III]

Just as likely that you were holding a door open for some ignorant northerner as a for a genuine cockney eel pie local. Which I think was SE’s point. London is full of non-Londoners.

[Sexual Ealing]

yeah i'm sure there is. I'm not making out Birmingham is some sort of friendly paradise or anywhere else for that matter, just London is the extreme of that sort of urban living. The size has a lot to do with it.

This is absolute nonsense, sb. Hardly anyone in London is 'from' there, and they're as friendly as anyone else. If people don't talk to you on buses, well, who wants to talk to a stranger on a bus?!

Not my experience SE.  I once held open a door in london for someone in 1987. I'd still be there now if I hadn't eventually let it close in someone's face as is the etiquette

We'll agree to differ. My best friends in the world reside in London, as do their friends, and their friends. It's a great city.

[Ad@m]

yeah i'm sure there is. I'm not making out Birmingham is some sort of friendly paradise or anywhere else for that matter, just London is the extreme of that sort of urban living. The size has a lot to do with it.

This is absolute nonsense, sb. Hardly anyone in London is 'from' there, and they're as friendly as anyone else. If people don't talk to you on buses, well, who wants to talk to a stranger on a bus?!

Not my experience SE.  I once held open a door in london for someone in 1987. I'd still be there now if I hadn't eventually let it close in someone's face as is the etiquette

We'll agree to differ. My best friends in the world reside in London, as do their friends, and their friends. It's a great city.

London's not for me but generalising a city of 9m people is pretty mad.

[sickbeggar]

Just as likely that you were holding a door open for some ignorant northerner as a for a genuine cockney eel pie local. Which I think was SE’s point. London is full of non-Londoners.

yeah i got that - that's what its known for. People moving there for their careers. I can't say you meet many cockneys anymore. I'm sure there are some but its very fragmented

[AV82EC]

Don’t all the cockneys live in their white flight racist supremacist theme parks* in Essex and Kent these days?

* TM, Mr S Lee.

[Lastfootstamper]

I know a cockerney. Proper one, old man drove a black cab, 'olidays in Sarfend, lived here thirty years yet still no 'g' in burminnum. Tells everyone he lives in Bournville. He's round the back of the grosvenor, ffs, the cant.

[Hookeysmith]

Back on topic

Not sure how many extra seats closing in the North stand sides would generate and not even sure it would work doing the same with the Holte. Would the huge expense be commensurate with the revenue it would bring?
Maybe they could attach extensions / levels to the tiers they already have (a lot of US stadiums seem to go up into the Gods) but not sure what the views would be like being so high.

On transport - i used to park on the official staff car park and it could take me an hour to just got off it. I now park on the street (by Yew tree pub) and it is so much quicker.
What they need is like the old days, Police presence directing a fair number of vehicles in and out of the side roads - without it it is carnage as no one lets anyone in and it just blocks all streets

[john e]

Up to approx 50-55k and it’s a stadium any more and you’ve got an arena
people make the mistake of more people better atmosphere i Don’t think it works like that
You actually do the opposite because to many fans are detached

I’d like to see about 10k more in VP and leave it alone with that capacity
turn attention on upgrading facilities where you can
Behind the Holte end and North stand you could have a secured off area before you even enter the stadium

[algy]

Up to approx 50-55k and it’s a stadium any more and you’ve got an arena
people make the mistake of more people better atmosphere i Don’t think it works like that
You actually do the opposite because to many fans are detached

I’d like to see about 10k more in VP and leave it alone with that capacity
turn attention on upgrading facilities where you can
Behind the Holte end and North stand you could have a secured off area before you even enter the stadium

Yeah, I think I agree. The more you start thinking about the ins and outs of the whole thing, the less it makes sense to move.

[Weedy]

Interesting thread on Twitter - Swiss Ramble (from a BBC link).

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble

Football finance expert Swiss Ramble has crunched the numbers for clubs' earning and spending in England's top two divisions over the past decade so you don't have to.

There's several posts, but this one stood out:

As a result, in the last 10 years the top two English leagues have lost a massive £3.1 bln pre-tax with the largest losses at #AVFC £455m and #MCFC £446m. In this period only 11 out of 44 clubs managed to make money, led by #THFC £338m, #MUFC £191m, #AFC £112m and #NUFC £94m.

[Lastfootstamper]

Don't care, not my money. As long as there's still a warchest, I'm happy.