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Offline Smithy

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2625 on: October 12, 2021, 02:05:50 PM »
The Saudis might have loads of dollar but wont FFP hamper them.

I think the fact that Ashely has spent fuck all for a few years, and that FFP is a rolling 3-year assessment, means they could afford to spend quite heavily in Jan/next summer and still be OK.  They won't be able to do too much after that however, and I'd expect them to be similar to us in our first couple of years from that point on, with around Ł100m net spend in per transfer window.

People often forget that both Chelsea and Man City began their transformations before FFP was a consideration.  It wasn't until Man City's third season under Abu-Dhabi control that those restrictions came in.  So their first couple of rebuilding years, with Robinho etc, were free from FFP scrutiny.  Newcastle won't have that, in the same way we don't.

I still like the way we're doing it, buying good players, spending decent money, investing heavily in youth, but not throwing the chequebook at marquee signings (yet).  I think doing that before you have European football to offer just means you'll be buying mercenaries, possibly past their peak and with no resale value.

If they really ARE going to go bonkers with spending in the next 12 months, it will be interesting to see how that approach fares compared to our own over the medium/long term.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2626 on: October 12, 2021, 04:28:17 PM »
It’s quite simple they’ll just financially dope the Income side of the FFP equation with bigger sponsorships. The burning question is why haven’t NSWE engaged in a bit of this? And I do realise the regs do state commercial deals must be for “fair value”.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2627 on: October 12, 2021, 04:29:25 PM »
It’s quite simple they’ll just financially dope the Income side of the FFP equation with bigger sponsorships. The burning question is why haven’t NSWE engaged in a bit of this? And I do realise the regs do state commercial deals must be for “fair value”.

Didn’t Derby get done for that

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2628 on: October 12, 2021, 04:57:06 PM »
I'd like to think that these owners will have factored in to the equation that other clubs would not just stand still and might attract hefty investment and I'm pretty sure that they will have done. Wes Edens has a track record as a sports club owner and both of them are serious businessmen. They aren't amateurs like Lerner or nutters like Dr Tony.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2629 on: October 12, 2021, 05:01:18 PM »
It’s quite simple they’ll just financially dope the Income side of the FFP equation with bigger sponsorships. The burning question is why haven’t NSWE engaged in a bit of this? And I do realise the regs do state commercial deals must be for “fair value”.

Didn’t Derby get done for that

I don’t know but I’m not sure a comparison between Mel Morris and the sovereign wealth fund of the Saudis is really comparing like for like?

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2630 on: October 12, 2021, 06:05:53 PM »
It’s quite simple they’ll just financially dope the Income side of the FFP equation with bigger sponsorships. The burning question is why haven’t NSWE engaged in a bit of this? And I do realise the regs do state commercial deals must be for “fair value”.

Didn’t Derby get done for that

I don’t know but I’m not sure a comparison between Mel Morris and the sovereign wealth fund of the Saudis is really comparing like for like?

It’s not but rules are rules mate
I’m sure they will be equally as officious and fair minded at all times 😊

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2631 on: October 12, 2021, 06:32:41 PM »
Wasn't the start of Derby's financial whirlpool when they sold their ground off to themselves, just like we did?

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2632 on: October 12, 2021, 06:46:00 PM »
That does nag at me. I'd like us to buy the ground back, even it is spread over ten years.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2633 on: October 12, 2021, 06:51:05 PM »
That does nag at me. I'd like us to buy the ground back, even it is spread over ten years.

I understand where you're coming from, but as it stands it doesn't really make any difference.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2634 on: October 12, 2021, 07:02:01 PM »
That does nag at me. I'd like us to buy the ground back, even it is spread over ten years.

I understand where you're coming from, but as it stands it doesn't really make any difference.

Is the risk that NSWE sell the club but maintain ownership of the ground, then charge extortionate rent?  I think that, or similar,  is what happened to Oxford United.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2635 on: October 12, 2021, 08:23:03 PM »
That does nag at me. I'd like us to buy the ground back, even it is spread over ten years.

I understand where you're coming from, but as it stands it doesn't really make any difference.

Is the risk that NSWE sell the club but maintain ownership of the ground, then charge extortionate rent?  I think that, or similar,  is what happened to Oxford United.

No one would buy the Villa without either the ground as part of the deal, or a cast iron, long term deal for a sensible rental.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2636 on: October 12, 2021, 08:30:56 PM »
I'd like to think that these owners will have factored in to the equation that other clubs would not just stand still and might attract hefty investment and I'm pretty sure that they will have done. Wes Edens has a track record as a sports club owner and both of them are serious businessmen. They aren't amateurs like Lerner or nutters like Dr Tony.
They must have - and to be fair, everything they have done to date suggests that they are looking for a sustainable strategy. 

Its a given that other clubs circumstances will change, and I think they are just focusing on what were doing and lets other clubs do what there thing. 

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2637 on: October 12, 2021, 08:40:13 PM »
I doubt very much that they haven't considered at least one more oligarch or sovereign fund moving into the Premier League.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2638 on: October 12, 2021, 08:53:32 PM »
I'd like to think that these owners will have factored in to the equation that other clubs would not just stand still and might attract hefty investment and I'm pretty sure that they will have done. Wes Edens has a track record as a sports club owner and both of them are serious businessmen. They aren't amateurs like Lerner or nutters like Dr Tony.
They must have - and to be fair, everything they have done to date suggests that they are looking for a sustainable strategy. 

Its a given that other clubs circumstances will change, and I think they are just focusing on what were doing and lets other clubs do what there thing. 

I've said elsewhere my favourite thing about them is that whilst they've spent money when needed they haven't come in throwing cash around trying to copy what Chelsea and Citeh did but instead are trying to create more organic growth, it means we're in a much better place than we were when the wheels came off for Lerner. I know we got 3 top 6 finishes but the whole thing was built on sand.

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Re: NSWE Investment
« Reply #2639 on: October 12, 2021, 10:31:33 PM »
I doubt very much that they haven't considered at least one more oligarch or sovereign fund moving into the Premier League.
From a purely investment perspective it is a good thing.

 


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