Quote from: paul_e on July 18, 2017, 10:14:23 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2017, 09:34:20 PMQuote from: john e on July 18, 2017, 07:59:39 PMQuote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 18, 2017, 06:17:21 PMOptimists say he'll be an excellent addition.Pessimists say it's a waste of money.As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?it's this sort of post that does my head in we can't just keep filling the squad with bang average players no what they cost, they will still be on big money and on contracts and will just add to the general lowering of the bar that's been going on for years nowHull fans don't want him why should we be happy with lesser clubs cast offs, the whole things becoming rediculous You are totally ignoring context.For example - sign a 1m player as a squad addition, but then go on to make more clearly higher quality signings, then that is fine.The problem is when, say, you sign a piss cheap midfielder and then they play 100 (I mean 'a lot' here, so no need for anyone to say they've googled and it's actually 50) games for you and look crap in almost all of them (ie Westwood) and you don't sign anyone else.I agree with this but it backs up my point that he's not the sort of signing you make when tyou have 3-4 players in his position already because he's the sort of player you sign to cover for a year or 2 whilst Green and Bree get settled and build up some experience but we have De Laet, Hutton and Adomah who can do that already.Was thinking about it earlier Paul - De Laet hasn't featured yet so there still must be fitness concerns, a team have put a bid in for Hutton, Bacuna is on international duty so will need some and Bree is still young and a bit raw. On reflection, we might just need that extra cover at RB, especially early in the season.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2017, 09:34:20 PMQuote from: john e on July 18, 2017, 07:59:39 PMQuote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 18, 2017, 06:17:21 PMOptimists say he'll be an excellent addition.Pessimists say it's a waste of money.As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?it's this sort of post that does my head in we can't just keep filling the squad with bang average players no what they cost, they will still be on big money and on contracts and will just add to the general lowering of the bar that's been going on for years nowHull fans don't want him why should we be happy with lesser clubs cast offs, the whole things becoming rediculous You are totally ignoring context.For example - sign a 1m player as a squad addition, but then go on to make more clearly higher quality signings, then that is fine.The problem is when, say, you sign a piss cheap midfielder and then they play 100 (I mean 'a lot' here, so no need for anyone to say they've googled and it's actually 50) games for you and look crap in almost all of them (ie Westwood) and you don't sign anyone else.I agree with this but it backs up my point that he's not the sort of signing you make when tyou have 3-4 players in his position already because he's the sort of player you sign to cover for a year or 2 whilst Green and Bree get settled and build up some experience but we have De Laet, Hutton and Adomah who can do that already.
Quote from: john e on July 18, 2017, 07:59:39 PMQuote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 18, 2017, 06:17:21 PMOptimists say he'll be an excellent addition.Pessimists say it's a waste of money.As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?it's this sort of post that does my head in we can't just keep filling the squad with bang average players no what they cost, they will still be on big money and on contracts and will just add to the general lowering of the bar that's been going on for years nowHull fans don't want him why should we be happy with lesser clubs cast offs, the whole things becoming rediculous You are totally ignoring context.For example - sign a 1m player as a squad addition, but then go on to make more clearly higher quality signings, then that is fine.The problem is when, say, you sign a piss cheap midfielder and then they play 100 (I mean 'a lot' here, so no need for anyone to say they've googled and it's actually 50) games for you and look crap in almost all of them (ie Westwood) and you don't sign anyone else.
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 18, 2017, 06:17:21 PMOptimists say he'll be an excellent addition.Pessimists say it's a waste of money.As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?it's this sort of post that does my head in we can't just keep filling the squad with bang average players no what they cost, they will still be on big money and on contracts and will just add to the general lowering of the bar that's been going on for years nowHull fans don't want him why should we be happy with lesser clubs cast offs, the whole things becoming rediculous
Optimists say he'll be an excellent addition.Pessimists say it's a waste of money.As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2017, 11:53:46 AMQuote from: Risso on July 18, 2017, 11:14:16 AMQuote from: Drummond on July 18, 2017, 10:48:35 AMSo, Bruce is an idiot for signing a player he's had at two previous clubs, both of which he got promoted, who he obviously knows and trusts.WHo knows what will happen to the players we currently have? We've possibly got a number of them lined up to go and instead of selling them first and people complaining that we're left with unsuitable cover, we're preparing and getting someone in.As for up front, currently we have Kodjia, Hogan, McCormack and the kids and Agbonlahor. The first three, if they are committed, training well and performing to their potential should be more than enough to lead the line with support from Grelaish, Adomah, the kids, etc.Don't panic.That's 3 enormous 'ifs' where McCormack and Hogan are concerned.Yes, but the reality is that they are both proven at this level. Reports so far suggest things are going well re attitude and training....And the actual real reality is that they've both been dire for us, and the pre-season friendlies aren't doubg anything to dispel that.
Quote from: Risso on July 18, 2017, 11:14:16 AMQuote from: Drummond on July 18, 2017, 10:48:35 AMSo, Bruce is an idiot for signing a player he's had at two previous clubs, both of which he got promoted, who he obviously knows and trusts.WHo knows what will happen to the players we currently have? We've possibly got a number of them lined up to go and instead of selling them first and people complaining that we're left with unsuitable cover, we're preparing and getting someone in.As for up front, currently we have Kodjia, Hogan, McCormack and the kids and Agbonlahor. The first three, if they are committed, training well and performing to their potential should be more than enough to lead the line with support from Grelaish, Adomah, the kids, etc.Don't panic.That's 3 enormous 'ifs' where McCormack and Hogan are concerned.Yes, but the reality is that they are both proven at this level. Reports so far suggest things are going well re attitude and training....
Quote from: Drummond on July 18, 2017, 10:48:35 AMSo, Bruce is an idiot for signing a player he's had at two previous clubs, both of which he got promoted, who he obviously knows and trusts.WHo knows what will happen to the players we currently have? We've possibly got a number of them lined up to go and instead of selling them first and people complaining that we're left with unsuitable cover, we're preparing and getting someone in.As for up front, currently we have Kodjia, Hogan, McCormack and the kids and Agbonlahor. The first three, if they are committed, training well and performing to their potential should be more than enough to lead the line with support from Grelaish, Adomah, the kids, etc.Don't panic.That's 3 enormous 'ifs' where McCormack and Hogan are concerned.
So, Bruce is an idiot for signing a player he's had at two previous clubs, both of which he got promoted, who he obviously knows and trusts.WHo knows what will happen to the players we currently have? We've possibly got a number of them lined up to go and instead of selling them first and people complaining that we're left with unsuitable cover, we're preparing and getting someone in.As for up front, currently we have Kodjia, Hogan, McCormack and the kids and Agbonlahor. The first three, if they are committed, training well and performing to their potential should be more than enough to lead the line with support from Grelaish, Adomah, the kids, etc.Don't panic.
When considering the validity of pre-season performance, I always think back to the Yawnthorns in 95.A week before the start of the season, a full strength side containing all the new signings lost 1-0 to a really shit Albion team, and looked abject. This of course was on the back of staying up on the last day the previous season, so hopes were not high.The next performance from that team was finnising the champions off by half time, and they went on to win the league cup and finished 4th.
Hogan thrived in a 4 5 1 at Brentford with them playing actual football and using his movement. He is a good player. McCormack has always done better with a target man type partner. They are not suited to play together at all. Selling McCormack and buying Crouch with the way Bruce wants to play would be our best business of the summer.
Brentford played good passing football when I saw them last season. Basically the opposite of the rubbish we serve up.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2017, 10:34:04 AMBrentford played good passing football when I saw them last season. Basically the opposite of the rubbish we serve up.Dean Smith would be my next choice of manager without doubt