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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2017, 06:03:47 PM

Title: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2017, 06:03:47 PM
It looks like he's arriving so he gets his own thread.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2017, 06:07:33 PM
Position wise, unless he plays him right wing, it's an odd one but Bruce knows him well and from that point of view, i'm fine with it.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: john e on July 17, 2017, 06:13:09 PM
Position wise, unless he plays him right wing, it's an odd one but Bruce knows him well and from that point of view, i'm fine with it.

you should just sticky 'I'm fine with it' save the time
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: tomd2103 on July 17, 2017, 06:13:40 PM
Unless he is coming primarily as a wide midfield player or wing-back, it seems a strange purchase when funds are rumoured to be so tight.  Obviously wish him the best though and will he be the first Egyptian to play for us?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2017, 06:15:52 PM
Position wise, unless he plays him right wing, it's an odd one but Bruce knows him well and from that point of view, i'm fine with it.

you should just sticky 'I'm fine with it' save the time

Thanks, I might just do that.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2017, 06:19:15 PM
I make that six right backs. Meanwhile we only have one player that ever scores, and he's injured.

Bruce is an imbecile.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2017, 06:23:17 PM
He's a right sided wing back. He's cheap. He'll be gone next summer. We're going 3 at the back?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 17, 2017, 06:28:08 PM
I guess Bruce has always rated him. I don't, but there are worse Hull players I guess. Seems pretty uninspiring, one of those forgettable players who will come up in a trivia quiz one day.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: brian green on July 17, 2017, 06:28:41 PM
We had an Egyptian goalkeeper.  Nigel Sphinx.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Risso on July 17, 2017, 06:28:43 PM
The latest in a long line of pulse-quickening Bruce signings.  Look forward to Bruce going on about him having "that little bit of quality we've been missing."
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: avfcpg on July 17, 2017, 06:34:44 PM
Unless he's going 3 at the back...which I'm not sure suits Terry anyway, then it's a bit baffling. Unless he's playing in Adomah's role? Who knows? Not even sure Bruce does to be honest...
 
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: TheMalandro on July 17, 2017, 06:37:16 PM
I guess Bruce has always rated him. I don't, but there are worse Hull players I guess. Seems pretty uninspiring, one of those forgettable players who will come up in a trivia quiz one day.
We had an Egyptian goalkeeper.  Nigel Sphinx.

Randy lost a  pharaoh amount of money too.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Matt Collins on July 17, 2017, 06:37:34 PM
I guess the logic is

- trusts him
- knows how to play wing back (Hutton can't)
- cheap
- also cover for adomah

I don't think it means we'll play 352 all the time but I imagine it means we will at least some of the time
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: john e on July 17, 2017, 06:37:52 PM
Position wise, unless he plays him right wing, it's an odd one but Bruce knows him well and from that point of view, i'm fine with it.

you should just sticky 'I'm fine with it' save the time

Thanks, I might just do that.

ha ha, fair play mate
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2017, 06:40:06 PM
I don't think it means we'll play 352 all the time but I imagine it means we will at least some of the time

8 across the back is still the most likely.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2017, 06:45:10 PM
I'd like to say that at least this means the end of Micah fcukin Richards but I'm not at all convinced of that statement.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: LeeB on July 17, 2017, 06:45:28 PM
I guess Bruce has always rated him. I don't, but there are worse Hull players I guess. Seems pretty uninspiring, one of those forgettable players who will come up in a trivia quiz one day.
We had an Egyptian goalkeeper.  Nigel Sphinx.

Randy lost a  pharaoh amount of money too.

I hope he's not a Luxor-y player, we have enough of those.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: SirSteveUK on July 17, 2017, 06:50:49 PM
We had an Egyptian goalkeeper.  Nigel Sphinx.

First Egyptian since George Ramseys days
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 17, 2017, 06:53:38 PM
I guess Bruce has always rated him. I don't, there are worse Hull players I guess. Seems pretty uninspiring, one of those forgettable players who will come up in a trivia quiz one day.

That must be one of the world's worst endorsements.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 17, 2017, 06:55:51 PM
Hard to get too excited about this.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2017, 06:56:58 PM
I guess Bruce has always rated him. I don't, there are worse Hull players I guess. Seems pretty uninspiring, one of those forgettable players who will come up in a trivia quiz one day.

That must be one of the world's worst endorsements.

The former Dutch international..

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41635000/jpg/_41635262_mcclaren_79_bbc_203x250.jpg)
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: KevinGage on July 17, 2017, 06:57:35 PM
I guess Bruce has always rated him. I don't, there are worse Hull players I guess. Seems pretty uninspiring, one of those forgettable players who will come up in a trivia quiz one day.

That must be one of the world's worst endorsements.

Aston Villa 2017.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2017, 06:59:09 PM
Don't read this. (http://hullcityindependent.net/index.php?page=forum&forum_id=8&thread_id=25144&selpage=0&&limit=15&obf=post_number&obad=ASC)
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2017, 06:59:17 PM
I would sincerely hope we wouldn't have the same player acquisition strategy once promoted. So far it has been about getting safe and/or experienced players in. The only consideration is this season and the only goal is promotion. I'm not entirely in agreement with this approach but I can accept that this is the path being taken. If we do this next season we'll be playing Championship football in 2019/2020.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 17, 2017, 07:00:41 PM
I guess Bruce has always rated him. I don't, there are worse Hull players I guess. Seems pretty uninspiring, one of those forgettable players who will come up in a trivia quiz one day.

That must be one of the world's worst endorsements.

I was torn between that and, its Bruce's "Grant Holt moment".

But I figured that might be too negative for a signing thread :)

Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Gareth on July 17, 2017, 07:03:13 PM
I'm guessing our Director of Football's overhaul of the scouting network must only be about finding kids for the academy as for the first team it is obv one guy just watching 'the Premiership Years' on a loop.

Any chance of buying someone with some pace? ...this then Whelan have we joined the walking football league?



Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: andyh on July 17, 2017, 07:05:37 PM
Boring, lazy, uninspiring football management. Like his footballing 'style'.
Bruce is fecking predictable , if nothing else.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: SirSteveUK on July 17, 2017, 07:16:35 PM
Don't read this. (http://hullcityindependent.net/index.php?page=forum&forum_id=8&thread_id=25144&selpage=0&&limit=15&obf=post_number&obad=ASC)
Few posts mention Elmo - and  one of those suggested he didnt do too bad -dammed with feint praise if you will. Obviously he was considered to have down tools to a degree after his return from AFCON - well, we were not unfamiliar with the on the beach concept 15 months ago , were we?  I expect he will not allowed to be like that under Bruce
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Richard E on July 17, 2017, 07:25:23 PM
No idea if he's any good but he always seems a jolly chap and it gives me an excuse to post this:-

https://youtu.be/uCMK45Sl2IM
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: SteveN on July 17, 2017, 07:32:04 PM
Underwhelmed.  Completely underwhelmed.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: thick_mike on July 17, 2017, 07:37:49 PM
Don't read this. (http://hullcityindependent.net/index.php?page=forum&forum_id=8&thread_id=25144&selpage=0&&limit=15&obf=post_number&obad=ASC)

I had a poke around there...thank god for H&V
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2017, 07:40:48 PM
The latest in a long line of pulse-quickening Bruce signings.  Look forward to Bruce going on about him having "that little bit of quality we've been missing."

Cant wait till the day we unveil John O'Shea and Wes Brown.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2017, 07:42:05 PM
The latest in a long line of pulse-quickening Bruce signings.  Look forward to Bruce going on about him having "that little bit of quality we've been missing."

Cant wait till the day we unveil John O'Shea and Wes Brown.

People were ok when Crouch was being mentioned. Expect soon a billion pound bid for Connor Wickham.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
I never thought I'd hear myself saying 'can we not sign any more players.'
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: brian green on July 17, 2017, 07:58:42 PM
Is Benni McCarthy available?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 17, 2017, 08:04:11 PM
One the plus side we are definitely not trying the "young and hungry" approach again.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2017, 08:09:47 PM
I know it's only likely to be a short term fix but we could do worse than bring in Didier Agathe as cover at Right Back.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2017, 08:11:54 PM
Apart from when Bruce signed Johnstone, Bree and Bedeau, you mean?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 17, 2017, 08:13:05 PM
Good point.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: villa kicks on July 17, 2017, 08:16:52 PM
Ahmed Elmohamady is quite injury prone us he not ? Think there may be trouble with his medical due to a long standing  back injury.
The guy often has to see a  cairo- practor.
Outrageous really as Bruce is majorly in de -nile if Elmo suited to anything more that the pyramid formation .
Unbelievable!
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Des Little on July 17, 2017, 08:17:32 PM
The epitome of 'bang average'
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: murfee on July 17, 2017, 08:22:12 PM
Bang average is right.....another £600 down the drain.....thats my season ticket price..and they keep on spending it on dross....i cant take much more of this!!
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Matt Collins on July 17, 2017, 08:24:17 PM
He is only 29 and has played in a team that's been promoted from this league two or three times I think? Not one to get excited about but not one to moan about either
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2017, 08:24:57 PM
He is only 29 and has played in a team that's been promoted from this league two or three times I think? Not one to get excited about but not one to moan about either

Wanna bet?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Matt Collins on July 17, 2017, 08:31:11 PM
From some Hull journo:

The time feels right for that. The last two years of Elmohamadyís City career have not done the previous three justice.

The spark that made him such a devastating right wing-back has fizzled out and the consistency that was once a hallmark has ebbed away.

Hull City's Ahmed Elmohamady (front right) passes back to goalkeeper Allan McGregor. Referee Neil Swarbrick awards a free kick which leads to a goal for West Bromwich Albion's Saido Berahino

Two years ago, as City fans were mourning relegation, the prospect of losing Elmohamady was harrowing. Now there is an acceptance that these ďnegotiationsĒ over a sale are for the best.

The last 12 months have given a jaundiced view to Elmohamadyís City career. Too many games spent toiling up against the Premier Leagueís best left wingers have dimmed memories of all those swashbuckling displays between 2012 and 2014.

Elmohamady was magnificent in his first season at the KCOM Stadium. Signed on loan from Sunderland, first in August and then again in January, he was the clubís Player of the Season on the way to promotion out of the Championship.

Last season, his fifth with the Tigers, hastened the sense of personal decline for Elmohamady. Dropping deeper to fill a void at right-back, he was rarely comfortable and often exposed.

That drive and vigour, not to mention the precise crossing, was seldom replicated before his form met supportersí frustrations in the Sunderland defeat.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: old man villa fan on July 17, 2017, 08:31:54 PM
Unless he is coming primarily as a wide midfield player or wing-back, it seems a strange purchase when funds are rumoured to be so tight.  Obviously wish him the best though and will he be the first Egyptian to play for us?

The rest just walk like them.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Matt Collins on July 17, 2017, 08:34:36 PM
I strongly suspect he is coming as a RWB and back up winger. Per my post above, he seems to have struggled at right back and as you say we've already got about fifty right backs
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: brontebilly on July 17, 2017, 09:06:02 PM
I make that six right backs. Meanwhile we only have one player that ever scores, and he's injured.

Bruce is an imbecile.

Agreed 100%. Opens us Wynness and Round to ridicule for tolerating this signing.

Surely James Bree, signed in Jan by Bruce and De Last signed last summer are suited to both right back and rwb if required. That is more than sufficient not to mind Hutton, Richards,.Bacuna of which we may want to move them all on but that isn't likely to happen.

At right wing, (442, 433) we have Green and Adamoah who are probably as strong as any other duo in the division. Again, no need to strengthen here.

Yet at left back, we appear to only have one option, Neil Taylor. Nathan Baker does not resemble a professional footballer at either left centre back (as part of a 3), left back or left wing back. If we need a squad filler signing like Elmo, it should have been on the other flank to cover Taylor.

All things considered this signing is consistent with Steve Bruce's efforts thus far, clueless.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: brian green on July 17, 2017, 09:14:20 PM
Bruce seems to be attempting to assemble the definitive mid table Championship team.  Move over Leeds.  This is our turf.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: peter w on July 17, 2017, 09:16:26 PM
Fuck it. May as well be good at something.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 17, 2017, 09:30:18 PM
Really can't get excited over this signing.

I think him coming in certainly spells out 3-5-2 is happening as we already have a million right backs.

What was the point of signing Bree though if SB is just going to sign his old mates six months later?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2017, 09:31:25 PM
He might be being considered as a winger.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2017, 09:32:39 PM
Bree has obviously gone off.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: brian green on July 17, 2017, 09:34:49 PM
Hard cheese.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 17, 2017, 09:48:42 PM
He just breesed in and is obviously now stinking the place out.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 17, 2017, 09:55:39 PM
oh no here we go !!!!
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: b23 on July 17, 2017, 10:08:20 PM
He is only 29 and has played in a team that's been promoted from this league two or three times I think? Not one to get excited about but not one to moan about either

Scores a goal a year and assists in two other goals being scored on average, according to these statistics.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/34876/History/Ahmed-Elmohamady

He has, if he joins, just become the best right back/right wing back at the Club and i look forward to him and Adomah tearing down that wing.

Now the left side needs attention. It's a shame Seville pulled out of the Amavi deal. That money would have been useful to replace him.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 17, 2017, 10:35:46 PM
Not needed, now stop it Bruce.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2017, 10:40:13 PM
Absolutely don't read this - and this was in bloody January (http://www.hullcityindependent.net/?page=forum&forum_id=8&thread_id=25616)
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on July 17, 2017, 10:49:41 PM
If Newcastle fans had read a thread on  here about Clark they'd have had the same impression. Sometimes a move does a player good and Bruce may get the best out of him in the Championship. Or maybe not,  I know nothing about him.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2017, 11:10:55 PM
I guess Bruce has always rated him. I don't, but there are worse Hull players I guess. Seems pretty uninspiring, one of those forgettable players who will come up in a trivia quiz one day.
We had an Egyptian goalkeeper.  Nigel Sphinx.

Randy lost a  pharaoh amount of money too.

And here was me thinking we needed a pyramid fielders.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2017, 11:12:58 PM
I guess Bruce has always rated him. I don't, but there are worse Hull players I guess. Seems pretty uninspiring, one of those forgettable players who will come up in a trivia quiz one day.
We had an Egyptian goalkeeper.  Nigel Sphinx.

Randy lost a  pharaoh amount of money too.

I hope he's not a Luxor-y player, we have enough of those.
Well I couldn't cairo less.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2017, 11:15:57 PM
Bruce seems to be attempting to assemble the definitive mid table Championship team.  Move over Leeds.  This is our turf.
I think he is assembling the next bomb squad and doing very well.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 17, 2017, 11:16:22 PM
I strongly suspect he is coming as a RWB and back up winger. Per my post above, he seems to have struggled at right back and as you say we've already got about fifty right backs

Has he played much at right wing for Hull and Sunderland out of interest? Playing RB and RW is pretty different as you're playing a lot more with your back to goal and being a FB you have more space to run into etc.

To me it's one of those signings that will just be another average one and he'll fall out of favour when we change manager yet again and be difficult to shift. Hope I'm wrong of course.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2017, 11:18:49 PM
I make that six right backs. Meanwhile we only have one player that ever scores, and he's injured.

Bruce is an imbecile.
<<like>>
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Matt Collins on July 17, 2017, 11:19:39 PM
I think he played RWB initially, then right wing in a 4231. I think he was right back last season but then they only had about 14 players.

He seems to have been best at RWB as far as I can tell
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 18, 2017, 12:12:10 AM
Bruce seems to be attempting to assemble the definitive mid table Championship team.  Move over Leeds.  This is our turf.
I think he is assembling the next bomb squad and doing very well.

I really hope not but I can see our next manager in a few months making the usual tut tut sound regarding Bruce's signings in the same way he did when he got here and RDM before him.  Right before the new manager gives Richards and Gabby a "clean slate". Shudder.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 18, 2017, 03:34:57 AM
Runs around, looks busy and lacks quality.
Typical Bruce type signing.
How many right sided wide players do we need?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Axl Rose on July 18, 2017, 04:26:48 AM
I make that six right backs. Meanwhile we only have one player that ever scores, and he's injured.

Bruce is an imbecile.
<<like>>

Me too.

How much longer is this potato going to be here?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: AV5nobs on July 18, 2017, 05:07:35 AM
Very good signing.

Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Axl Rose on July 18, 2017, 05:20:20 AM
Very good signing.



In what respect?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: avfcpg on July 18, 2017, 05:42:07 AM
Very good signing.



In what respect?
Income. Letters for his name on shirt sales....
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2017, 06:56:16 AM
Bruce gets his best from him and he's going to be a bargain.  Gets last season's version and might as well burn the money. 
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2017, 07:04:12 AM
Bruce gets his best from him and he's going to be a bargain.  Gets last season's version and might as well burn the money. 

Yep but it's worth noting that last season's version was playing right back, which he clearly isn't suited to. He's an attacking style player.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Matt Collins on July 18, 2017, 07:25:13 AM
For £1m I think it's potentially a good deal

It does leave us a little heavy on that side of the pitch though!
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: peter w on July 18, 2017, 07:36:29 AM
Remeber seeing hima  few seasons ago and thought he looked decent but then went off the boil. But, he's been playing at right-back which isn't his position and also may just have gone stale at Hull. We definitely do need a wide right player with a bit of pace and he seems to have that. Its easy to forget Green has only played a handful of games so far so we shouldn't be expecting him to be the player to get Kodj/Hogan/whoever firing so we need to rely on experience. At the moment we have Adomah and Bacuna for that position. One more won't hurt.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Matt C on July 18, 2017, 07:38:40 AM
Remember those heady days under MON when the absence of a right back sent us all a bit crazy? Ask and ye shall receive.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Matt Collins on July 18, 2017, 07:40:22 AM
If MON had this squad he'd definitely play Chester and baker as fullbacks. Maybe de Laet as left back
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2017, 07:42:14 AM
I think he will be marginally better than Adomah.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: passitsideways on July 18, 2017, 08:07:35 AM
Adomah setting up goals for Kodjia was basically one of the few functional things we had going forward last season, and we're supposed to be cutting that particular supply line because, what, he's done well for Bruce in the past?

Well, uh, here's to hoping.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Matt Collins on July 18, 2017, 08:14:17 AM
http://www.worldfootball.net/assists/eng-championship-2016-2017/

Top championship assists last season:

1. Hourihane (mostly for Barnsley)
2. Adomah (I'm guessing the vast bulk were for Kodjia)

I'd file adomah along with Jedinak. Not brilliant and not premier league class. But would be a big risk to change things give how little else has functioned smoothly
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 18, 2017, 08:30:19 AM
just hope its not of of those Beye type signings.     

time will tell
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Mister E on July 18, 2017, 08:31:47 AM
Without outgoings, this seems a little strange.
And, for all the talk of 3-5-2 who would be the third CB? - If Chester and Terry are first pick for right and left, who would be the central covering CB? I'm rather hoping that Bruce does not see Richards or Hutton in that role but that is what is beginning to emerge. Chester would make a good central CB, but then Terry presumably would shift to the right: is that something he would want to do?
It's all very vague and somewhat disconcerting.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: villabear on July 18, 2017, 08:41:29 AM
I don't know much about Elmohamady, but whenever I hear his name I recollect a commentary that was on the radio when the commentator/summariser described him as one of the worst footballers they had ever seen.

I think it was Hull v the stripy's. It may have been Ron Toss so it probably doesn't count as an opinion anyway.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: KRS on July 18, 2017, 08:47:26 AM
I remember him featuring regularly on MOTD when he was whipping pin point crosses in from the right wing for Sunderland...sounds like he's had a fall from grace at Hull though. We haven't had anyone that can cross a ball from the right for years (special thanks to Hutton), so if the rumoured release fee is £1m then it's not exactly a big gamble for someone who could provide some decent service into the box for a change.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 18, 2017, 08:50:44 AM
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/elmo_zpselxugxq9.png) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/elmo_zpselxugxq9.png.html)


Just been on the phone to Mr Brucie
villa here i come
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: TaxDodger on July 18, 2017, 09:03:08 AM
Not sure quite why most people are negative about this. He's versatile and presumably was one of the better players in his position last time he played at this level. I realise right back/right wing back isn't exactly a problem position at the moment, but if we sign him for £1m and sell Hutton for similar I think that counts as an upgrade. Bree can then either be loaned out or eased into the first team over the next season or so. Bit harsh on De Laet, but I suppose Bruce thinks Elmohamady is a better bet.

Considering some of the signings we've made over recent years, this one is pretty low risk.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: chrisw1 on July 18, 2017, 09:18:23 AM
I think there's a high risk of him being one of the players we all wish we could ship out.

The Hull fans seem genuinely delighted that he is leaving, which hardly bodes well.

Why are we buying this sort of shite?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: peter w on July 18, 2017, 09:19:31 AM
But if you look at their site (link a page or two back) they all agree that he hasn't been playing in his proper position, and that when he was playing wide right and not as a defender he was okay. All agree that he's a bit of a diver though.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on July 18, 2017, 09:47:52 AM
I guess Bruce has always rated him. I don't, but there are worse Hull players I guess. Seems pretty uninspiring, one of those forgettable players who will come up in a trivia quiz one day.
We had an Egyptian goalkeeper.  Nigel Sphinx.

Randy lost a  pharaoh amount of money too.

I hope he's not a Luxor-y player, we have enough of those.
Well I couldn't cairo less.

Aswan fan to another, stop this now.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: sid1964 on July 18, 2017, 09:50:49 AM
Sorry if this has been mentioned before - is he the guy who did that stupid dance when they got promoted a few seasons back?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2017, 10:18:23 AM
I remember him featuring regularly on MOTD when he was whipping pin point crosses in from the right wing for Sunderland...sounds like he's had a fall from grace at Hull though. We haven't had anyone that can cross a ball from the right for years (special thanks to Hutton), so if the rumoured release fee is £1m then it's not exactly a big gamble for someone who could provide some decent service into the box for a change.

My in-laws are all sunderland fans and when this broke last night I got a couple of messages saying he's shit but he'll get 1-2 decent crosses in during most games but the rest of the time he'll just get caught in possession or cross straight into the first man.  For me, as I've said before, if we sold Bacuna, Richards and Hutton I could let it go but signing him with all the right sided players we have when we already have a squad that's too big is fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 18, 2017, 10:22:17 AM
I can only say - oh dear and how predictable

How the hell do the bookies make us favourites to get promoted  ::)
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: john e on July 18, 2017, 10:28:33 AM
Elmohamedy what a signing, if this doesn't sell a few more season tickets I don't know what will

 the Bruce revolution shaping up nicely doing everything we expected of him turning us into everything we knew he would



Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Boz on July 18, 2017, 10:29:45 AM
Boring, lazy, uninspiring football management. Like his footballing 'style'.
Bruce is fecking predictable , if nothing else.

Spot On
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: passitsideways on July 18, 2017, 10:32:42 AM
Surely if he just wants someone who's quick, occasionally belts a decent cross in, but is otherwise up to not much, he could just stick with Bacuna.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on July 18, 2017, 10:45:32 AM
Remember when Martin O'Neill used to collect Left Backs?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 18, 2017, 10:47:38 AM
I remember him featuring regularly on MOTD when he was whipping pin point crosses in from the right wing for Sunderland...sounds like he's had a fall from grace at Hull though. We haven't had anyone that can cross a ball from the right for years (special thanks to Hutton), so if the rumoured release fee is £1m then it's not exactly a big gamble for someone who could provide some decent service into the box for a change.

My in-laws are all sunderland fans and when this broke last night I got a couple of messages saying he's shit but he'll get 1-2 decent crosses in during most games but the rest of the time he'll just get caught in possession or cross straight into the first man.  For me, as I've said before, if we sold Bacuna, Richards and Hutton I could let it go but signing him with all the right sided players we have when we already have a squad that's too big is fucking stupid.

he sounds like Hutton then thou Hutton rarely gets a good cross in

This signing is ok if Hutton and Richards would do one.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Drummond on July 18, 2017, 10:48:35 AM
So, Bruce is an idiot for signing a player he's had at two previous clubs, both of which he got promoted, who he obviously knows and trusts.

WHo knows what will happen to the players we currently have? We've possibly got a number of them lined up to go and instead of selling them first and people complaining that we're left with unsuitable cover, we're preparing and getting someone in.

As for up front, currently we have Kodjia, Hogan, McCormack and the kids and Agbonlahor. The first three, if they are committed, training well and performing to their potential should be more than enough to lead the line with support from Grelaish, Adomah, the kids, etc.

Don't panic.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: UK Redsox on July 18, 2017, 10:51:56 AM
Don't panic.


What if he turns out to be the Mad Mady ?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: peter w on July 18, 2017, 10:54:10 AM
Don't panic.


What if he turns out to be the Mad Mady ?

Kris Kros will jump?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2017, 11:14:16 AM
So, Bruce is an idiot for signing a player he's had at two previous clubs, both of which he got promoted, who he obviously knows and trusts.

WHo knows what will happen to the players we currently have? We've possibly got a number of them lined up to go and instead of selling them first and people complaining that we're left with unsuitable cover, we're preparing and getting someone in.

As for up front, currently we have Kodjia, Hogan, McCormack and the kids and Agbonlahor. The first three, if they are committed, training well and performing to their potential should be more than enough to lead the line with support from Grelaish, Adomah, the kids, etc.

Don't panic.

That's 3 enormous 'ifs' where McCormack and Hogan are concerned.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 18, 2017, 11:32:16 AM
For £1m I think it's potentially a good deal

It does leave us a little heavy on that side of the pitch though!

Put Richards & Gabby on the left then.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Drummond on July 18, 2017, 11:53:46 AM
So, Bruce is an idiot for signing a player he's had at two previous clubs, both of which he got promoted, who he obviously knows and trusts.

WHo knows what will happen to the players we currently have? We've possibly got a number of them lined up to go and instead of selling them first and people complaining that we're left with unsuitable cover, we're preparing and getting someone in.

As for up front, currently we have Kodjia, Hogan, McCormack and the kids and Agbonlahor. The first three, if they are committed, training well and performing to their potential should be more than enough to lead the line with support from Grelaish, Adomah, the kids, etc.

Don't panic.

That's 3 enormous 'ifs' where McCormack and Hogan are concerned.

Yes, but the reality is that they are both proven at this level. Reports so far suggest things are going well re attitude and training....
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: AV82EC on July 18, 2017, 12:01:05 PM
Bit late to this has everyone done the making up for O Neills lack of right backs gag?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 18, 2017, 12:29:38 PM
To be fair watching the pre season against Shrewsbury drained me of any expectation for this season, but I have no problem with this signing. It means we have 6 right sided players, but ordinarily you'd want at least 4. Bree is young and unproven, De Laet is coming back from a long term injury, Adomah is limited, Bacuna is a ****** and Hutton is surely on the home straight of his Villa career. Maybe we'll discover the 4 we want to keep by Jan and ship a couple out then.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: CJ on July 18, 2017, 12:31:55 PM
Sorry if this has been mentioned before - is he the guy who did that stupid dance when they got promoted a few seasons back?

'fraid so

Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 18, 2017, 12:40:00 PM
FFS  his entire YT montage shows him doing just about the basics and a couple of interceptions and short passes - WTF have we bought him
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Matt Collins on July 18, 2017, 12:45:18 PM
FFS  his entire YT montage shows him doing just about the basics and a couple of interceptions and short passes - WTF have we bought him

I was prepared to give him a chance. But if he hasn't even got a Tonev style YouTube montage I reckon we should hang him from the rotunda if he dares step inside Birmingham
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 18, 2017, 01:04:56 PM
FFS  his entire YT montage shows him doing just about the basics and a couple of interceptions and short passes - WTF have we bought him

Or a Traore one where it looked like we could expect Maradona second goal v England 1986 type runs and goals on a weekly basis. What an utter steaming pile of fly infested horse shite he turned out to be.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 18, 2017, 01:33:29 PM
1m for a proven player that the manager knows, that can cross a ball, play in numerous positions and can't be on big wages either = no brainer really

The same people moaning probably did exactly the same when we signed Taylor and that worked out absolutely fine from memory

It's not a glamorous signing, but we're a mid table championship side currently that are constricted by FFP rules so i'm not sure what people expect?



Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: teamvillage on July 18, 2017, 02:15:57 PM
I wonder whether Hutton will end up being the right sided CB in a back 3.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Drummond on July 18, 2017, 02:38:51 PM
FFS  his entire YT montage shows him doing just about the basics and a couple of interceptions and short passes - WTF have we bought him

Sounds perfect for us then.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2017, 02:38:52 PM
1m for a proven player that the manager knows, that can cross a ball, play in numerous positions and can't be on big wages either = no brainer really

The same people moaning probably did exactly the same when we signed Taylor and that worked out absolutely fine from memory

It's not a glamorous signing, but we're a mid table championship side currently that are constricted by FFP rules so i'm not sure what people expect?

People expect a mid table championship side with FFP troubles not to be spending money we apparently don't have on a 5th right back (or 3rd right winger if you prefer).  It's really that simple, he's no better than the players we have in his positions and we already have more than enough cover there.

If he was (or ever had been) a top player who'd improve us then it'd be a different matter but the difference in quality between him and Adomah or him and Hutton is fuck all so what's the point?  We've got enough mid-table championship players.  If the only options are to get more of the same then I'd rather we didn't bother and keep the money in case we need it in January.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: mr underhill on July 18, 2017, 02:42:44 PM
for the next Manager to spend?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2017, 02:50:57 PM
Remember when Martin O'Neill used to collect Left Backs?

Shorey and moving Luke Young there while poor Wild Willy Bouma was out injured?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2017, 02:53:29 PM
FFS  his entire YT montage shows him doing just about the basics and a couple of interceptions and short passes - WTF have we bought him

a Villa player doing the basics. Blimey what kind of witchcraft and sorcery is that?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 18, 2017, 03:38:43 PM
FFS  his entire YT montage shows him doing just about the basics and a couple of interceptions and short passes - WTF have we bought him

a Villa player doing the basics. Blimey what kind of witchcraft and sorcery is that?

Can he throw a ball to a player in the same shirt as him? 
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: chrisw1 on July 18, 2017, 03:44:48 PM
1m for a proven player that the manager knows, that can cross a ball, play in numerous positions and can't be on big wages either = no brainer really

The same people moaning probably did exactly the same when we signed Taylor and that worked out absolutely fine from memory

It's not a glamorous signing, but we're a mid table championship side currently that are constricted by FFP rules so i'm not sure what people expect?

People expect a mid table championship side with FFP troubles not to be spending money we apparently don't have on a 5th right back (or 3rd right winger if you prefer).  It's really that simple, he's no better than the players we have in his positions and we already have more than enough cover there.

If he was (or ever had been) a top player who'd improve us then it'd be a different matter but the difference in quality between him and Adomah or him and Hutton is fuck all so what's the point?  We've got enough mid-table championship players.  If the only options are to get more of the same then I'd rather we didn't bother and keep the money in case we need it in January.
Yep, this sums it up for me. 

Of course Bruce has worked with him so maybe we're wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: MoetVillan on July 18, 2017, 03:47:20 PM
FFS  his entire YT montage shows him doing just about the basics and a couple of interceptions and short passes - WTF have we bought him

a Villa player doing the basics. Blimey what kind of witchcraft and sorcery is that?

Can he throw a ball to a player in the same shirt as him? 

we will soon be able to train that out of him
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 18, 2017, 04:27:25 PM
People expect a mid table championship side with FFP troubles not to be spending money we apparently don't have on a 5th right back (or 3rd right winger if you prefer).  It's really that simple, he's no better than the players we have in his positions and we already have more than enough cover there.

Well firstly he's not a right back as such, it's just one position he can play. Then again Richards or Bacuna aren't right backs either never mind how many people tell me they are

As far as i can see have two right backs at the club, Hutton (who wouldn't even be classed as a footballer in my books) and Bree. And with any luck Hutton will be out the door soon enough. We also have De Laet of course, but after such a long time out i'm not expecting to see him much this season

And we now have a player that can 'cover' at RB, RWB or RW. All for a million quid

Smart business.


Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2017, 04:42:48 PM
People expect a mid table championship side with FFP troubles not to be spending money we apparently don't have on a 5th right back (or 3rd right winger if you prefer).  It's really that simple, he's no better than the players we have in his positions and we already have more than enough cover there.

Well firstly he's not a right back as such, it's just one position he can play. Then again Richards or Bacuna aren't right backs either never mind how many people tell me they are

As far as i can see have two right backs at the club, Hutton (who wouldn't even be classed as a footballer in my books) and Bree. And with any luck Hutton will be out the door soon enough. We also have De Laet of course, but after such a long time out i'm not expecting to see him much this season

And we now have a player that can 'cover' at RB, RWB or RW. All for a million quid

Smart business.

He covers all down the right, I agree on that.

Bacuna also covers all down the right, just because you don't rate him doesn't mean we're not paying him. Richards is clearly a right back, he's played for England as one, you're letting the fact that he's shit get in the way of being objective.

As right backs we also have hutton, bree and delaet, as you say but just because you don't expect much from the latter again doesn't mean we shouldn't count him as part of the squad.

Right wing backs is more interesting, I suspect Adomah would do well there and that it would be Bacuna's best position.  I also think, from what I've seen, that Bree would be a very good option there.

Further forward you have Adomah and Green, as well as Bacuna, who can all operate on the right of midfield.

As I said, we have plenty of options for all 3 roles and there doesn't seem to be any noise about any of them being sold other than a small rumour of Hutton to Sheffield Wednesday.  We already have the biggest squad in the league, we can't just keep piling more players on top unless they're too good to ignore, I don't think Elmohamady is anything like that quality.  If we can move on 2-3 of the players named above then I'd be ok with this despite not particularly rating him because Bruce clearly likes him but buying him right now is just piss poor squad management.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 18, 2017, 04:49:28 PM
Well, I suppose we could wait until after he's actually played a few games for us to say whether it's a good signing and whether he improves the team.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2017, 05:43:33 PM
Well, I suppose we could wait until after he's actually played a few games for us to say whether it's a good signing and whether he improves the team.

Then lets lock the thread until the end of September.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2017, 06:12:48 PM
Might be worth putting a few quid on him for first goal on the opening day if he plays.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 18, 2017, 06:17:21 PM
Optimists say he'll be an excellent addition.

Pessimists say it's a waste of money.

As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 18, 2017, 06:37:31 PM
Optimists say he'll be an excellent addition.

Pessimists say it's a waste of money.

As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?


No but we have lots of players who can play on the right, so no point, just another wage, very silly. He's no better than what we have got
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2017, 06:52:59 PM
Optimists say he'll be an excellent addition.

Pessimists say it's a waste of money.

As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?


Indeed.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 18, 2017, 07:11:57 PM
Optimists say he'll be an excellent addition.

Pessimists say it's a waste of money.

As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?


Depends what his contract is like. We could have said the same about Habib Beye.

FWIW I think it will be a decent signing though.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2017, 07:20:12 PM
Optimists say he'll be an excellent addition.

Pessimists say it's a waste of money.

As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?


No but we have lots of players who can play on the right, so no point, just another wage, very silly. He's no better than what we have got

We haven't got many who can play wing back if Bruce wants to go with that formation.  Bree, De Laet and Hutton are defenders, whereas Adomah and Green are more attacking players.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2017, 07:26:28 PM
To counter that on the left we have just Taylor and he's as I'll suited to wing back as any of the right side players you name.  Assuming Amavi is sold of course.

That's the real problem, we have weaknesses that aren't being addressed by the players who are linked.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 18, 2017, 07:33:50 PM
Has he signed yet?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 18, 2017, 07:35:30 PM
For the money Elmo will probably be a decent addition to the squad. Problems are we need better than 'decent' and it's a position(s) we didn't really need to strengthen.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Matt Collins on July 18, 2017, 07:35:56 PM
I think Bacuna can play RWB but otherwise agree

Maybe Thor could play LWB but I don't see him doing that week in week out
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2017, 07:37:36 PM
I'm not quite as down on him as others. Always looked a pretty decent player to me and we need someone who can cross from wide.

I'd like to add lots of people reacted similarly to Taylor joining and he's done really well.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: john e on July 18, 2017, 07:59:39 PM
Optimists say he'll be an excellent addition.

Pessimists say it's a waste of money.

As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?


it's this sort of post that does my head in

we can't just keep filling the squad with bang average players no what they cost,
 they will still be on big money and on contracts and will just add to the general lowering of the bar that's been going on for years now

Hull fans don't want him why should we be happy with lesser clubs cast offs,
the whole things becoming rediculous
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Bad English on July 18, 2017, 08:39:11 PM
His name is an anagram of 'load mayhem'.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: jwarry on July 18, 2017, 08:51:31 PM
His name is an anagram of 'load mayhem'.

It's times like these you need a like button
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: brian green on July 18, 2017, 09:11:31 PM
It's almost At Home Madly.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: UK Redsox on July 18, 2017, 09:27:20 PM
Home malady
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 18, 2017, 09:28:50 PM
Home malady

Is that you Parker?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Pete3206 on July 18, 2017, 09:29:01 PM
Optimists say he'll be an excellent addition.

Pessimists say it's a waste of money.

As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?


Agree
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: UK Redsox on July 18, 2017, 09:31:02 PM
Home malady

Is that you Parker?

Parker? I only just met her
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2017, 09:34:20 PM
Optimists say he'll be an excellent addition.

Pessimists say it's a waste of money.

As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?


it's this sort of post that does my head in

we can't just keep filling the squad with bang average players no what they cost,
 they will still be on big money and on contracts and will just add to the general lowering of the bar that's been going on for years now

Hull fans don't want him why should we be happy with lesser clubs cast offs,
the whole things becoming rediculous

You are totally ignoring context.

For example - sign a 1m player as a squad addition, but then go on to make more clearly higher quality signings, then that is fine.

The problem is when, say, you sign a piss cheap midfielder and then they play 100 (I mean 'a lot' here, so no need for anyone to say they've googled and it's actually 50)  games for you and look crap in almost all of them (ie Westwood) and you don't sign anyone else.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 18, 2017, 10:02:12 PM
His name is an anagram of 'load mayhem'.

Hole my head madam

Sounds about right.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 18, 2017, 10:05:44 PM
We had an Egyptian goalkeeper.  Nigel Sphinx.

Quality
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2017, 10:14:23 PM
Optimists say he'll be an excellent addition.

Pessimists say it's a waste of money.

As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?


it's this sort of post that does my head in

we can't just keep filling the squad with bang average players no what they cost,
 they will still be on big money and on contracts and will just add to the general lowering of the bar that's been going on for years now

Hull fans don't want him why should we be happy with lesser clubs cast offs,
the whole things becoming rediculous

You are totally ignoring context.

For example - sign a 1m player as a squad addition, but then go on to make more clearly higher quality signings, then that is fine.

The problem is when, say, you sign a piss cheap midfielder and then they play 100 (I mean 'a lot' here, so no need for anyone to say they've googled and it's actually 50)  games for you and look crap in almost all of them (ie Westwood) and you don't sign anyone else.

I agree with this but it backs up my point that he's not the sort of signing you make when tyou have 3-4 players in his position already because he's the sort of player you sign to cover for a year or 2 whilst Green and Bree get settled and build up some experience but we have De Laet, Hutton and Adomah who can do that already.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 18, 2017, 10:45:57 PM
His name is an anagram of 'load mayhem'.

Homemade yam dhal.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2017, 10:49:52 PM
So, Bruce is an idiot for signing a player he's had at two previous clubs, both of which he got promoted, who he obviously knows and trusts.

WHo knows what will happen to the players we currently have? We've possibly got a number of them lined up to go and instead of selling them first and people complaining that we're left with unsuitable cover, we're preparing and getting someone in.

As for up front, currently we have Kodjia, Hogan, McCormack and the kids and Agbonlahor. The first three, if they are committed, training well and performing to their potential should be more than enough to lead the line with support from Grelaish, Adomah, the kids, etc.

Don't panic.

That's 3 enormous 'ifs' where McCormack and Hogan are concerned.

Yes, but the reality is that they are both proven at this level. Reports so far suggest things are going well re attitude and training....

And the actual real reality is that they've both been dire for us, and the pre-season friendlies aren't doubg anything to dispel that.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2017, 11:08:11 PM
Optimists say he'll be an excellent addition.

Pessimists say it's a waste of money.

As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?


it's this sort of post that does my head in

we can't just keep filling the squad with bang average players no what they cost,
 they will still be on big money and on contracts and will just add to the general lowering of the bar that's been going on for years now

Hull fans don't want him why should we be happy with lesser clubs cast offs,
the whole things becoming rediculous

You are totally ignoring context.

For example - sign a 1m player as a squad addition, but then go on to make more clearly higher quality signings, then that is fine.

The problem is when, say, you sign a piss cheap midfielder and then they play 100 (I mean 'a lot' here, so no need for anyone to say they've googled and it's actually 50)  games for you and look crap in almost all of them (ie Westwood) and you don't sign anyone else.

I agree with this but it backs up my point that he's not the sort of signing you make when tyou have 3-4 players in his position already because he's the sort of player you sign to cover for a year or 2 whilst Green and Bree get settled and build up some experience but we have De Laet, Hutton and Adomah who can do that already.

Was thinking about it earlier Paul - De Laet hasn't featured yet so there still must be fitness concerns, a team have put a bid in for Hutton, Bacuna is on international duty so will need some and Bree is still young and a bit raw.  On reflection, we might just need that extra cover at RB, especially early in the season.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: paul_e on July 18, 2017, 11:15:18 PM
Optimists say he'll be an excellent addition.

Pessimists say it's a waste of money.

As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?


it's this sort of post that does my head in

we can't just keep filling the squad with bang average players no what they cost,
 they will still be on big money and on contracts and will just add to the general lowering of the bar that's been going on for years now

Hull fans don't want him why should we be happy with lesser clubs cast offs,
the whole things becoming rediculous

You are totally ignoring context.

For example - sign a 1m player as a squad addition, but then go on to make more clearly higher quality signings, then that is fine.

The problem is when, say, you sign a piss cheap midfielder and then they play 100 (I mean 'a lot' here, so no need for anyone to say they've googled and it's actually 50)  games for you and look crap in almost all of them (ie Westwood) and you don't sign anyone else.

I agree with this but it backs up my point that he's not the sort of signing you make when tyou have 3-4 players in his position already because he's the sort of player you sign to cover for a year or 2 whilst Green and Bree get settled and build up some experience but we have De Laet, Hutton and Adomah who can do that already.

Was thinking about it earlier Paul - De Laet hasn't featured yet so there still must be fitness concerns, a team have put a bid in for Hutton, Bacuna is on international duty so will need some and Bree is still young and a bit raw.  On reflection, we might just need that extra cover at RB, especially early in the season.

Bacuna will be back very soon and you're not counting Richards (I understand why though) but if Hutton going is possible then I'd be more open to him coming in.
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Post by: Drummond on July 19, 2017, 12:46:12 AM
So, Bruce is an idiot for signing a player he's had at two previous clubs, both of which he got promoted, who he obviously knows and trusts.

WHo knows what will happen to the players we currently have? We've possibly got a number of them lined up to go and instead of selling them first and people complaining that we're left with unsuitable cover, we're preparing and getting someone in.

As for up front, currently we have Kodjia, Hogan, McCormack and the kids and Agbonlahor. The first three, if they are committed, training well and performing to their potential should be more than enough to lead the line with support from Grelaish, Adomah, the kids, etc.

Don't panic.

That's 3 enormous 'ifs' where McCormack and Hogan are concerned.

Yes, but the reality is that they are both proven at this level. Reports so far suggest things are going well re attitude and training....

And the actual real reality is that they've both been dire for us, and the pre-season friendlies aren't doubg anything to dispel that.

And pre-season friendlies with multiple changes and substitutions mean absolute fuck all in the grand scheme of things.

McCormack wasn't well last year, so here's hoping he's in a better place. As for Hogan, he had less than four months playing with us.

However, let's agree to differ. It's like an old record, I'm optimistic, you're pessimistic. Over the last few years you've been closer to right than I have.
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Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2017, 06:47:21 AM
When considering the validity of pre-season performance, I always think back to the Yawnthorns in 95.

A week before the start of the season, a full strength side containing all the new signings lost 1-0 to a really shit Albion team, and looked abject. This of course was on the back of staying up on the last day the previous season, so hopes were not high.

The next performance from that team was finnising the champions off by half time, and they went on to win the league cup and finished 4th.
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Post by: peter w on July 19, 2017, 06:51:00 AM
So, Bruce is an idiot for signing a player he's had at two previous clubs, both of which he got promoted, who he obviously knows and trusts.

WHo knows what will happen to the players we currently have? We've possibly got a number of them lined up to go and instead of selling them first and people complaining that we're left with unsuitable cover, we're preparing and getting someone in.

As for up front, currently we have Kodjia, Hogan, McCormack and the kids and Agbonlahor. The first three, if they are committed, training well and performing to their potential should be more than enough to lead the line with support from Grelaish, Adomah, the kids, etc.

Don't panic.

That's 3 enormous 'ifs' where McCormack and Hogan are concerned.

Yes, but the reality is that they are both proven at this level. Reports so far suggest things are going well re attitude and training....

And the actual real reality is that they've both been dire for us, and the pre-season friendlies aren't doubg anything to dispel that.

How can you make out that Hogan has been dire? It's like buying Gary Lineker and asking him to chase the ball into the corners and nothing more.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2017, 06:56:52 AM
Hogan thrived in a 4 5 1 at Brentford with them playing actual football and using his movement. He is a good player. 

McCormack has always done better with a target man type partner. They are not suited to play together at all. Selling McCormack and buying Crouch with the way Bruce wants to play would be our best business of the summer.
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Post by: Ads on July 19, 2017, 07:07:28 AM
When considering the validity of pre-season performance, I always think back to the Yawnthorns in 95.

A week before the start of the season, a full strength side containing all the new signings lost 1-0 to a really shit Albion team, and looked abject. This of course was on the back of staying up on the last day the previous season, so hopes were not high.

The next performance from that team was finnising the champions off by half time, and they went on to win the league cup and finished 4th.


95 wowzers. Sad twats came on the pitch at the Brummie Road End too.
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Post by: Matt Collins on July 19, 2017, 08:31:17 AM
Hogan thrived in a 4 5 1 at Brentford with them playing actual football and using his movement. He is a good player. 

McCormack has always done better with a target man type partner. They are not suited to play together at all. Selling McCormack and buying Crouch with the way Bruce wants to play would be our best business of the summer.

On hogan, as I said in another thread, it is notable that he was successful in a 451. He has a real lack of physical presence, so I assume they were playing A LOT of on the ground football as well as on the break?

I wonder whether teams playing against villa will just refuse to offer the space in behind for him to run into so regularly?
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2017, 10:34:04 AM
Brentford played good passing football when I saw them last season. Basically the opposite of the rubbish we serve up.
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Post by: Matt Collins on July 19, 2017, 10:38:52 AM
I'm ok with it

But if he keeps green and grealish out of the team I'll be disappointed. I've assumed he's a wing back and right wing cover
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Post by: peter w on July 19, 2017, 10:41:05 AM
Exactly. You play a good passing game and Hogan will finish the moves off. You lump the ball to a kid on the right wing and put all your hopes on him or lump into the corners for Hogan to run onto you get what we saw at Shrewsbury and Walsall.
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Post by: berneboy on July 19, 2017, 10:48:07 AM
Brentford played good passing football when I saw them last season. Basically the opposite of the rubbish we serve up.

It saddens me that I think you're right. I like SB the man but not SB the manager who will grind us (the supporters) into the ground. I just hope somehow we grind enough Championship teams into the ground to get into the play-offs.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on July 19, 2017, 01:39:42 PM
Brentford played good passing football when I saw them last season. Basically the opposite of the rubbish we serve up.

Dean Smith would be my next choice of manager without doubt
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Post by: AVH87 on July 19, 2017, 01:42:35 PM
Brentford played good passing football when I saw them last season. Basically the opposite of the rubbish we serve up.

Dean Smith would be my next choice of manager without doubt

I'm not sure if he's done that much there. He may have done, it's just hard to know as they played attractive, passing football from a mid-table Championship position before he arrived too.
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Post by: Ads on July 19, 2017, 01:44:03 PM
Brentford played good passing football when I saw them last season. Basically the opposite of the rubbish we serve up.

Dean Smith would be my next choice of manager without doubt

No chance, we're far too big a job. He'd be swallowed whole by it.
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Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 19, 2017, 01:45:26 PM

If our players can't pass the ball what good would Dean Smith do ?

Jesus wept. Are people seriously suggesting Bruce tells them to give the ball away and play like a bunch of spanners ?

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Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 19, 2017, 01:52:18 PM
Hogan is a really good player, if he looks 'dire' whilst playing for us it is because we're not using him properly. This can become the case with forwards. I'm more concerned with the trio of exciting midfielders we signed in January that look like the three stooges. I've seen virtually nothing from the three of them so far and there's little excuse barring the injury to Bjarnasson (who looks the worst of the three). We also don't have 1 wide attacking player that looks any good either.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on July 19, 2017, 01:54:52 PM

If our players can't pass the ball what good would Dean Smith do ?

Jesus wept. Are people seriously suggesting Bruce tells them to give the ball away and play like a bunch of spanners ?



Then what are we supposed to do - just accept it and the players underperforming?

The twat of a Manager has them all week to drill them into a method of play - clearly he either a) is not doing so - so if they are not listening drop the feckers or b) is incapable of doing it

I know which one my money would be on
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Post by: villa kicks on July 19, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
With Elmo coming in I feel time Is right to move Hutton on. Elmo would be more effective attacking and crossing ball but fear has defensive weakness'.  The plus is that Bruce knows how to get best out of him and he'll be reinvigorate we all hope to prove his worth. At end of day he's a premier league player and experienced I hope he can fit in .
On bigger scale somewhat concerned on the team as a unit and think Bruce needs to get them bonding of field as alot of new player not knowing each other.
Utv.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady
Post by: RussellC on July 19, 2017, 04:33:13 PM
Now confirmed, in typically 'quirky' fashion too.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2017, 04:37:08 PM
Welcome Elmo, please don't be shit.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2017, 04:43:20 PM
Three fucking year contract! When will we learn.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2017, 04:56:06 PM
Welcome and good luck Ahmed.
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Post by: kieron on July 19, 2017, 04:58:06 PM
Good luck, and don't you dare do that ridiculous 'dance' in a Villa shirt.
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Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2017, 05:00:10 PM
Three fucking year contract! When will we learn.

What's the problem with that?

Good luck and welcome.
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Post by: dave shelley on July 19, 2017, 05:01:07 PM
Welcome, please don't be shit.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2017, 05:07:41 PM
Three fucking year contract! When will we learn.

What's the problem with that?

Apart from giving a 3 year contract to a 30 year old* - nothing if we're planning to spend the next 3 years in the Championship.

*September 9.

Welcome, indeed. Good luck? He has it in bucketloads if this contract is anything to go by.
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Post by: Ads on July 19, 2017, 05:08:27 PM
So he's 29 then.
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Post by: Des Little on July 19, 2017, 05:12:05 PM
Welcome, please don't be shit.

You and your high expectations Dave.

Actually you're right, please don't be shit.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 19, 2017, 05:21:57 PM
Good luck, and don't you dare do that ridiculous 'dance' in a Villa shirt.

unless we are promoted
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 19, 2017, 05:25:14 PM
Oh well.  Good luck and all that.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2017, 05:30:58 PM
And if he's fantastic for us (yes yes I know) and we only gave him a 2 year contract folks would complain about that. 3 years is about right for a player his age imo.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2017, 05:54:50 PM
He certainly give plenty to talk about..

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Post by: Risso on July 19, 2017, 05:55:35 PM
And if he's fantastic for us (yes yes I know) and we only gave him a 2 year contract folks would complain about that. 3 years is about right for a player his age imo.

How many occasions have we had cause to bemoan a too-short contract in recent years, and how many times has giving long contracts bitten us spectacularly on the arse?
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2017, 05:59:02 PM
3 years isn't a long contract though.
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Post by: Rudy65 on July 19, 2017, 06:00:26 PM
3 years isn't a long contract though.

it is when you're 30 in Sept and the pedigree is questionable
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2017, 06:08:56 PM
Virtually no player 32 or under would even sign a 2 year contract. The only 2 year contracts I can remember in recent times were Cole, Richardson and Lescott.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2017, 06:12:00 PM
Welcome Elmo
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Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2017, 06:13:16 PM
Welcome. Please don't be shit.
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Post by: jwarry on July 19, 2017, 06:29:42 PM
He certainly give plenty to talk about..



Ha ha that's funny but worrying in equal measure!
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Post by: jwarry on July 19, 2017, 07:18:26 PM
I thought he came across quite well in the interview, intelligent even.....
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Post by: Jimbo on July 19, 2017, 09:30:07 PM
Has anybody got a spare aircraft hangar in which to contain my excitement?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2017, 09:41:26 PM
And if he's fantastic for us (yes yes I know) and we only gave him a 2 year contract folks would complain about that. 3 years is about right for a player his age imo.

Only problem I have with this is say SB is sacked in October after a mediocre start to the season which is what plenty are predicting. Then a new manager comes in and decides to play 4 at the back. He likes Bree and Hutton for RB and thinks Adomah and Green is enough for right midfield.

Elmohamady on a three year deal becomes an issue then just like Habib Beye on a three year deal did although I'd like to think he isn't getting anywhere near 40k otherwise that would be seriously bonkers.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2017, 10:08:10 PM
You can say that about nearly any player we'll sign though. The next manager (whenever that is) won't fancy a bunch of players that are at the club. He's probably not someone i'd have signed but now that we have, a 3 year contract is standard given his age. As I said earlier, very few 29/30 year olds will sign a 2 year deal.

As you say though, wages is the key. It was the wages we were paying Beye that was more the problem and stopped us being able to shift him rather than than being on a 3 year contract. Same with Zog, sensible wages and someone would probably have taken him after a year or 2, but no one else was daft enough to pay what we were paying him.
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Post by: Ads on July 19, 2017, 10:27:30 PM
Why are we going 352 when we've only played 442 pre-season?

Adomah and Elmo will be our width and outlet balls wide.
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Post by: Richard E on July 19, 2017, 10:29:37 PM
Are Hull going to have enough players left to field a team against us on opening day?
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Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2017, 11:24:01 PM
Has anybody got a spare aircraft hangar in which to contain my excitement?

There's a venue in Small Heath with plenty of room.
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Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2017, 11:48:06 PM
Are Hull going to have enough players left to field a team against us on opening day?

I thought that was their issue last year? They should have enough tv money to buy two teams in in two weeks.
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Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2017, 01:26:09 AM
Agreed 8m for Stewart from Liverpool who we were linked with but are going for the long term option in Whelan instead.  Hull will either be top 6 or bottom 6 I reckon.
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Post by: Mortimer's Bear on July 20, 2017, 06:55:49 AM
Welcome to Aston Villa
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Post by: Clampy on July 20, 2017, 06:59:41 AM
Agreed 8m for Stewart from Liverpool who we were linked with but are going for the long term option in Whelan instead.  Hull will either be top 6 or bottom 6 I reckon.

I saw this yesterday, I've never heard of him. I'm glad we haven't paid £8m for someone who's only played 9 times for Liverpool and has been loaned out three times since he's been there.
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Post by: darren woolley on July 20, 2017, 10:33:59 AM
Welcome Ahmed I hope you do well for us.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 20, 2017, 11:28:52 AM
Meh. Gives me something to talk about with my Egyptian customers I suppose.

Not a signing to set the pulse racing but is by no means a bad player. If he can actually putt in a cross (Huttons main downfall) then he will improve us.
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Post by: TheTimVilla on July 20, 2017, 12:02:18 PM
The problem I have with this sort of signing is that we are putting another salary on the payroll for 3 years when we should be looking at two more quality Premiership loans. I would start with Chelsea as I would hope John Terry knows who is worth a season long loan. Huddersfield did it to great effect last season.
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Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 20, 2017, 01:28:46 PM
Optimists say he'll be an excellent addition.

Pessimists say it's a waste of money.

As that amount of money is £1m, I don't think the latter should get too worried. In the mad world of football, it's hardly risk of the century, is it?


it's this sort of post that does my head in


Pleased to be of assistance.
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Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 20, 2017, 01:45:30 PM
The problem I have with this sort of signing is that we are putting another salary on the payroll for 3 years when we should be looking at two more quality Premiership loans. I would start with Chelsea as I would hope John Terry knows who is worth a season long loan. Huddersfield did it to great effect last season.

I hate loans
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Post by: Matt Collins on July 20, 2017, 02:09:11 PM
If we could loan this year's Tammy Abraham I'd be pretty happy
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Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 20, 2017, 02:12:41 PM
I too dislike loans. I don't like Villa to help other clubs in a more fortunate position than ourselves in any way.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 20, 2017, 07:14:59 PM
I too dislike loans. I don't like Villa to help other clubs in a more fortunate position than ourselves in any way.

We're not really helping Man. United with Johnstone though, he's pretty much surplus to requirements there.

I have my reservations about him so I'd rather see if he can go up a level this season rather than fork out 5m for him straight away.

It's a bit like if we'd signed Carson for 8m and then had a terrible keeper on our books and had to make another big loss.
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Post by: Matt Collins on July 21, 2017, 10:39:18 AM
Yes. Considering we tend to buy players, keep them in the team for a couple of seasons and then sell them for a big loss, loans seem quite a useful option!
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Post by: four fornicholl on July 21, 2017, 06:43:19 PM
Meh. Gives me something to talk about with my Egyptian customers I suppose.

Not a signing to set the pulse racing but is by no means a bad player. If he can actually putt in a cross (Huttons main downfall) then he will improve us.
Will that mean you'll "Talk like an Egyptian?"
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Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 23, 2017, 12:40:55 AM
Could go either way on this one.  But looks a solid signing to me.  Sometimes things just click when a certain player is used to and likes working with a manager.  Welcome and good luck Ahmed.
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Post by: Ads on July 23, 2017, 04:54:14 PM
Good service into Hulk today.
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Post by: Dcjonah on July 23, 2017, 07:04:17 PM
Really impressed me today. Looks much more comfortable than Adomah when running with the ball and delivery and decision making were consistently good.

More like today and he's an absolute steal at that price.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 23, 2017, 07:27:51 PM
He's way better than Adomah from that showing. Has pace too.
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Post by: wittonwarrior on July 23, 2017, 07:53:26 PM
Outstanding today no two ways about it
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Post by: Matt Collins on July 23, 2017, 08:24:40 PM
Very good today

Opponents were poor so keen to see him against some better players
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2017, 10:00:48 PM
I reckon he's going to be a really important player this year.
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Post by: willenhall villa on July 23, 2017, 10:08:35 PM
He seemed to want to go past the full back and get his cross in, not go right up to him and do a trick. B+
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Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2017, 10:46:57 PM
Where was Adomah on this trip?
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Post by: peter w on July 23, 2017, 10:48:52 PM
injured
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Post by: villa kicks on July 25, 2017, 12:03:03 AM
Elmo crosses ball well and will provide a good service for strikers .
I do hope too midfielders will be getting in and around the box to add support.
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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 25, 2017, 12:23:47 AM
Going by one friendly so it could be off, but I did like the solid professional way he went about his game. Did mess up, didn't break position, did his job with no fuss. Kind of liked that.
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Post by: peter w on July 25, 2017, 05:41:11 AM
Looked strong and nippy. What you want from a wide player. Someone Green could learn from, too.
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Post by: brian green on July 25, 2017, 07:40:00 AM
Very impressed, especially as already said he wanted to get past defenders not bamboozle them like so many we have had.  We should run a sweep on when "St Elmo's on fire" first appears in a tabloid rag.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 25, 2017, 10:21:04 AM
If we are going to play 4-4-2, then I think we could do with signing a similar type of player to him to play on the left. 
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Post by: peter w on July 25, 2017, 10:51:45 AM
can't really play with two wingers unless the 2 up front is more of a 9 & 10.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 25, 2017, 10:52:22 AM
If we are going to play 4-4-2, then I think we could do with signing a similar type of player to him to play on the left. 

Yep, we're in danger of becoming one sided. Still, better than no sided. 

I think Elmo' will become a favourite and prove to be a very good signing as we take the league by storm this season.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 25, 2017, 12:29:33 PM
can't really play with two wingers unless the 2 up front is more of a 9 & 10.

Getting the balance up front is key really if we are to play a front two.  As we saw last season, Kodjia and Hogan up front didn't really work as they are quite similar.  We did, however, look more of a threat on the few occasions when Kodjia was partnered with Gestede and feel that Kodjia may be more suited to playing alongside a target man.  I think Hogan though might benefit from playing alongside a more creative player and hopefully Grealish can really come to the fore this season.   
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Post by: Matt Collins on July 25, 2017, 12:58:32 PM
Kodjia is such a livewire that it's hard to work out what suits him best

Agree they didn't look great as a two last year, but hopefully they'll get better support from midfield now

Agree that grealish (and Elmo) should suit Hogan.
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Post by: peter w on July 25, 2017, 01:17:51 PM
To be fair that's why I'd play hogan ahead of Kodjia - and why we looked better with him. Shifting the ball quickly and then into a finisher made us look a lot sharper and Hogan can finish. Kodjia is a different player and having to try and fit around him probably hindered us in terms of shape last season.
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Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 25, 2017, 03:13:55 PM
To be fair that's why I'd play hogan ahead of Kodjia - and why we looked better with him. Shifting the ball quickly and then into a finisher made us look a lot sharper and Hogan can finish. Kodjia is a different player and having to try and fit around him probably hindered us in terms of shape last season.

It's a difficult one isn't it. We're not really in a position to drop out top scorer for someone who, at best, struggled once he joined us last season (injuries, tactics admittedly are mitigating circumstances). Does Kodjia out wide left work or does it lose upset the balance of the team too much?
Personally, I would look at a midfield of Whelan, Hot Lips, Grealish/Lansbury with Elmo and Kodjia wide and Hogan up top. Even then, that leaves no place for Green, do we try to fit in Jedinak. While we might not be bursting with talent, we do have options to change things up and enough personnel to keep everyone fresh, which will hopefully bode well for next season
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 25, 2017, 03:22:24 PM
To be fair that's why I'd play hogan ahead of Kodjia - and why we looked better with him. Shifting the ball quickly and then into a finisher made us look a lot sharper and Hogan can finish. Kodjia is a different player and having to try and fit around him probably hindered us in terms of shape last season.

It's a difficult one isn't it. We're not really in a position to drop out top scorer for someone who, at best, struggled once he joined us last season (injuries, tactics admittedly are mitigating circumstances). Does Kodjia out wide left work or does it lose upset the balance of the team too much?
Personally, I would look at a midfield of Whelan, Hot Lips, Grealish/Lansbury with Elmo and Kodjia wide and Hogan up top. Even then, that leaves no place for Green, do we try to fit in Jedinak. While we might not be bursting with talent, we do have options to change things up and enough personnel to keep everyone fresh, which will hopefully bode well for next season

From what we saw of him last season, I don't really think Hogan is the sort of forward who can play up front on his own. Playing with someone like Grealish might bring the best out in him though.

I just can't see Kodjia being anywhere near full fitness at the moment and therefore we will have to start with Hogan.   
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Post by: Matt Collins on July 25, 2017, 05:02:05 PM
I'd agree about playing up front alone based on what we saw

Except that's exactly what he did for Brentford. But we'd have to adjust our style significantly from last season
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Post by: OCD on July 25, 2017, 09:57:26 PM
Hopefully Kodjia and Hogan can develop a partnership with some work.
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Post by: peter w on July 25, 2017, 10:07:24 PM
If they did we'd win the league comfortably.
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Post by: brentastonb6 on July 26, 2017, 12:17:27 AM
Hopefully Kodjia and Hogan can develop a partnership with some work.
What was the home game at VP last season when Hogan went off injured ? He and Kodjia showed the shoots of a good partnership prior to him going off
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 26, 2017, 12:49:31 AM
Hopefully Kodjia and Hogan can develop a partnership with some work.
What was the home game at VP last season when Hogan went off injured ? He and Kodjia showed the shoots of a good partnership prior to him going off

Thinking it might have been Norwich?
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Post by: SoccerHQ on July 26, 2017, 08:01:39 AM
Kodjia is such a livewire that it's hard to work out what suits him best

Agree they didn't look great as a two last year, but hopefully they'll get better support from midfield now

Agree that grealish (and Elmo) should suit Hogan.
To be fair that's why I'd play hogan ahead of Kodjia - and why we looked better with him. Shifting the ball quickly and then into a finisher made us look a lot sharper and Hogan can finish. Kodjia is a different player and having to try and fit around him probably hindered us in terms of shape last season.

We looked totally clueless without Kodjia in the games in January save for one decent half v Preston.

The game he missed v SHA we offered nothing upfront until Gabby came on and started putting himself about.

Kodjia is better as a free spirit so same as last season, one upfront but with much better support out wide (I'd probably go with Green as one option, not sure on the other as Adomah is inconsistant) and much more licence for two of the midfielders to get forward and actually into the opposition penalty area. Too many times last season tactics meant he was completely isolated so had to hold the ball up and try to beat 2-3 men.

Given Gabby seems to be taking football seriously again atm I might actually plump for him to start the Hull game. Hogan just dosen't convince me as a loan striker, QPR and Reading games he could barely hold the ball up. I'd have him prove he deserves a start by scoring a few as an impact sub but assume he'll get the nod due to the massive price tag.
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Post by: brian green on July 26, 2017, 08:11:33 AM
We saw in the second half against Brighton how much better we are as an attacking force when Davis played hold up. Hogan and Kodjia need a pivotal player to play off.  Holding the ball on the edge of the opposition box might even encourage our midfield to make a dart or two.
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Post by: Dave on July 26, 2017, 08:16:58 AM
Hogan just dosen't convince me as a loan striker

Reckon that's going to be McCormack's role this season.
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Post by: peter w on July 26, 2017, 08:26:51 AM
I agree - he was our season and without him we were toothless. So you develop an alternative. The problem I had and still have is that we were an eggs in one basket team. The style he plays (Kodjia) means he is difficult to play in a 4-4-2 as he very much likes to drift wide meaning that other players need to get into the box, also rendering the wide player useless for much of the time unless they too have a physical presence in the box, or can finish.

Seeing the goals and chances Hogan scored/attempted v Duisburg it is clear that he is a player who does his best work in the box, a finisher. We have two distinct different forwards and we have to try and see if they can play together because we will destroy teams if they can. If they can't we then have to go back and look at our set-up and think which player as the forward option is best for the team and how we play. i think that is Hogan. Players tried to get into the box on Sunday, and it'll be interesting to see how we go v Watford. I'd be tempted to stick Gabby and Hogan up front and ask Gabby to drift left a la Kodjia to see if the team can play with the shape we would need if Hogan and Kodjia were up top together.
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Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2017, 08:53:57 AM
We saw in the second half against Brighton how much better we are as an attacking force when Davis played hold up. Hogan and Kodjia need a pivotal player to play off.  Holding the ball on the edge of the opposition box might even encourage our midfield to make a dart or two.

Agreed, have been very impressed with Davis' ability to hold the ball when I've seen him. The fact he's got some pace too makes him a real talent but I guess we'll only see him in cameos.
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Post by: Matt Collins on July 26, 2017, 10:47:25 AM
I didn't see Davis v Brighton

From pre season he didn't look great / ready to me. Held it up against weak challenges, but seems very one footed and not sure he's the technique. But can't judge on pre season
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Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2017, 11:03:36 PM
I didn't see Davis v Brighton

From pre season he didn't look great / ready to me. Held it up against weak challenges, but seems very one footed and not sure he's the technique. But can't judge on pre season

Being very one footed hasn't hindered virtually every left footed player ever born.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2017, 11:05:57 PM
I know he's a kid, and I know he's had barely a look in, but I thought Davis looked like a fan who'd wandered onto the pitch when I saw him play (against Brighton). He seemed extremely slow and ponderous.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 26, 2017, 11:14:47 PM
I didn't see Davis v Brighton

From pre season he didn't look great / ready to me. Held it up against weak challenges, but seems very one footed and not sure he's the technique. But can't judge on pre season

Being very one footed hasn't hindered virtually every left footed player ever born.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2017, 11:15:35 PM
I know he's a kid, and I know he's had barely a look in, but I thought Davis looked like a fan who'd wandered onto the pitch when I saw him play (against Brighton). He seemed extremely slow and ponderous.

Thought the same in the recent games in Germany. I didn't see what the fuss was all about. I can see what people see in Green, RHM has done it at a lower level so the jury is out. JDH looked excellent and the most exciting of them all.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 26, 2017, 11:52:00 PM
I agree - he was our season and without him we were toothless. So you develop an alternative. The problem I had and still have is that we were an eggs in one basket team. The style he plays (Kodjia) means he is difficult to play in a 4-4-2 as he very much likes to drift wide meaning that other players need to get into the box, also rendering the wide player useless for much of the time unless they too have a physical presence in the box, or can finish.

Seeing the goals and chances Hogan scored/attempted v Duisburg it is clear that he is a player who does his best work in the box, a finisher. We have two distinct different forwards and we have to try and see if they can play together because we will destroy teams if they can. If they can't we then have to go back and look at our set-up and think which player as the forward option is best for the team and how we play. i think that is Hogan. Players tried to get into the box on Sunday, and it'll be interesting to see how we go v Watford. I'd be tempted to stick Gabby and Hogan up front and ask Gabby to drift left a la Kodjia to see if the team can play with the shape we would need if Hogan and Kodjia were up top together.

I just can't see Hogan and Kodjia hitting it off to be honest Peter.  I thought Kodjia looked most dangerous last season when he was partnered with Gestede and was running on to his flick ons.  I think Hogan would be more suited to playing with someone like Grealish who can get the ball on the turn in the final third and pick out his runs.  Don't think Kodjia will be fit for the start of the season, so I would go with Grealish and Hogan against Watford on Saturday and see how that goes.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2017, 11:55:01 PM
I thought Kodjia looked most dangerous last season when he was partnered with Gestede

In fairness, Stephen Hawking would look relatively dangerous playing next to Gestede.
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Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2017, 12:30:32 AM
I agree - he was our season and without him we were toothless. So you develop an alternative. The problem I had and still have is that we were an eggs in one basket team. The style he plays (Kodjia) means he is difficult to play in a 4-4-2 as he very much likes to drift wide meaning that other players need to get into the box, also rendering the wide player useless for much of the time unless they too have a physical presence in the box, or can finish.

Seeing the goals and chances Hogan scored/attempted v Duisburg it is clear that he is a player who does his best work in the box, a finisher. We have two distinct different forwards and we have to try and see if they can play together because we will destroy teams if they can. If they can't we then have to go back and look at our set-up and think which player as the forward option is best for the team and how we play. i think that is Hogan. Players tried to get into the box on Sunday, and it'll be interesting to see how we go v Watford. I'd be tempted to stick Gabby and Hogan up front and ask Gabby to drift left a la Kodjia to see if the team can play with the shape we would need if Hogan and Kodjia were up top together.

I just can't see Hogan and Kodjia hitting it off to be honest Peter.  I thought Kodjia looked most dangerous last season when he was partnered with Gestede and was running on to his flick ons.  I think Hogan would be more suited to playing with someone like Grealish who can get the ball on the turn in the final third and pick out his runs.  Don't think Kodjia will be fit for the start of the season, so I would go with Grealish and Hogan against Watford on Saturday and see how that goes.

I think They can become a good partnership but it means hard work on the training ground getting them used to how the other plays.  Kodjia naturally draws defenders out of position because he's capable of making half a yard and then has the ability to hit the target once he's has that space.  This should open gaps for Hogan to run into but he needs to learn to time those runs and Kodjia needs to know that he'll make them.  Last season our entire attack looked like they only played together on match days so everything was utterly disjointed.  That's why I don't accept the idea that Bruce deserved a pass and should be judged from now.  A proper plan in training could've had problems like this solved well before the end of the season and now injury means they'll not have worked together all summer so nothing will have changed and we know from experience that it won't happen during the season.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 27, 2017, 12:38:21 AM
I agree - he was our season and without him we were toothless. So you develop an alternative. The problem I had and still have is that we were an eggs in one basket team. The style he plays (Kodjia) means he is difficult to play in a 4-4-2 as he very much likes to drift wide meaning that other players need to get into the box, also rendering the wide player useless for much of the time unless they too have a physical presence in the box, or can finish.

Seeing the goals and chances Hogan scored/attempted v Duisburg it is clear that he is a player who does his best work in the box, a finisher. We have two distinct different forwards and we have to try and see if they can play together because we will destroy teams if they can. If they can't we then have to go back and look at our set-up and think which player as the forward option is best for the team and how we play. i think that is Hogan. Players tried to get into the box on Sunday, and it'll be interesting to see how we go v Watford. I'd be tempted to stick Gabby and Hogan up front and ask Gabby to drift left a la Kodjia to see if the team can play with the shape we would need if Hogan and Kodjia were up top together.

I just can't see Hogan and Kodjia hitting it off to be honest Peter.  I thought Kodjia looked most dangerous last season when he was partnered with Gestede and was running on to his flick ons.  I think Hogan would be more suited to playing with someone like Grealish who can get the ball on the turn in the final third and pick out his runs.  Don't think Kodjia will be fit for the start of the season, so I would go with Grealish and Hogan against Watford on Saturday and see how that goes.

I think They can become a good partnership but it means hard work on the training ground getting them used to how the other plays.  Kodjia naturally draws defenders out of position because he's capable of making half a yard and then has the ability to hit the target once he's has that space.  This should open gaps for Hogan to run into but he needs to learn to time those runs and Kodjia needs to know that he'll make them.  Last season our entire attack looked like they only played together on match days so everything was utterly disjointed.  That's why I don't accept the idea that Bruce deserved a pass and should be judged from now.  A proper plan in training could've had problems like this solved well before the end of the season and now injury means they'll not have worked together all summer so nothing will have changed and we know from experience that it won't happen during the season.

Having watched them play together a few times last season Paul, I think there is always going to be a lack of a focal point with those two playing together.  Kodjia likes to drift into wide areas and Hogan really plays on the shoulder of defenders.  There isn't that target man type or a 'number 10' who can get the ball to feet and create things. 
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Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2017, 06:32:40 AM
I agree - neither a target man or number 10 in that partnership.

That can work, but it's why I don't think we'll play  both upfront together week in and week out. But I do think a proper no 9 would be a good squad addition (not convinced gabby or Davis can offer this)
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Post by: passitsideways on July 27, 2017, 08:10:12 AM
I agree - he was our season and without him we were toothless. So you develop an alternative. The problem I had and still have is that we were an eggs in one basket team. The style he plays (Kodjia) means he is difficult to play in a 4-4-2 as he very much likes to drift wide meaning that other players need to get into the box, also rendering the wide player useless for much of the time unless they too have a physical presence in the box, or can finish.

Seeing the goals and chances Hogan scored/attempted v Duisburg it is clear that he is a player who does his best work in the box, a finisher. We have two distinct different forwards and we have to try and see if they can play together because we will destroy teams if they can. If they can't we then have to go back and look at our set-up and think which player as the forward option is best for the team and how we play. i think that is Hogan. Players tried to get into the box on Sunday, and it'll be interesting to see how we go v Watford. I'd be tempted to stick Gabby and Hogan up front and ask Gabby to drift left a la Kodjia to see if the team can play with the shape we would need if Hogan and Kodjia were up top together.

I just can't see Hogan and Kodjia hitting it off to be honest Peter.  I thought Kodjia looked most dangerous last season when he was partnered with Gestede and was running on to his flick ons.  I think Hogan would be more suited to playing with someone like Grealish who can get the ball on the turn in the final third and pick out his runs.  Don't think Kodjia will be fit for the start of the season, so I would go with Grealish and Hogan against Watford on Saturday and see how that goes.

I think They can become a good partnership but it means hard work on the training ground getting them used to how the other plays.  Kodjia naturally draws defenders out of position because he's capable of making half a yard and then has the ability to hit the target once he's has that space.  This should open gaps for Hogan to run into but he needs to learn to time those runs and Kodjia needs to know that he'll make them.  Last season our entire attack looked like they only played together on match days so everything was utterly disjointed.  That's why I don't accept the idea that Bruce deserved a pass and should be judged from now.  A proper plan in training could've had problems like this solved well before the end of the season and now injury means they'll not have worked together all summer so nothing will have changed and we know from experience that it won't happen during the season.

Having watched them play together a few times last season Paul, I think there is always going to be a lack of a focal point with those two playing together.  Kodjia likes to drift into wide areas and Hogan really plays on the shoulder of defenders.  There isn't that target man type or a 'number 10' who can get the ball to feet and create things.

Jack's the number 10 - his off-the-ball movement's fine, and he should be the one who benefits the most from Terry's ability to pass through the lines. Of course, the issue with him is what he does once he gets on it - his decision-making and speed of thought can be so rubbish.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 27, 2017, 08:58:41 AM
I agree - he was our season and without him we were toothless. So you develop an alternative. The problem I had and still have is that we were an eggs in one basket team. The style he plays (Kodjia) means he is difficult to play in a 4-4-2 as he very much likes to drift wide meaning that other players need to get into the box, also rendering the wide player useless for much of the time unless they too have a physical presence in the box, or can finish.

Seeing the goals and chances Hogan scored/attempted v Duisburg it is clear that he is a player who does his best work in the box, a finisher. We have two distinct different forwards and we have to try and see if they can play together because we will destroy teams if they can. If they can't we then have to go back and look at our set-up and think which player as the forward option is best for the team and how we play. i think that is Hogan. Players tried to get into the box on Sunday, and it'll be interesting to see how we go v Watford. I'd be tempted to stick Gabby and Hogan up front and ask Gabby to drift left a la Kodjia to see if the team can play with the shape we would need if Hogan and Kodjia were up top together.

I just can't see Hogan and Kodjia hitting it off to be honest Peter.  I thought Kodjia looked most dangerous last season when he was partnered with Gestede and was running on to his flick ons.  I think Hogan would be more suited to playing with someone like Grealish who can get the ball on the turn in the final third and pick out his runs.  Don't think Kodjia will be fit for the start of the season, so I would go with Grealish and Hogan against Watford on Saturday and see how that goes.

I think They can become a good partnership but it means hard work on the training ground getting them used to how the other plays.  Kodjia naturally draws defenders out of position because he's capable of making half a yard and then has the ability to hit the target once he's has that space.  This should open gaps for Hogan to run into but he needs to learn to time those runs and Kodjia needs to know that he'll make them.  Last season our entire attack looked like they only played together on match days so everything was utterly disjointed.  That's why I don't accept the idea that Bruce deserved a pass and should be judged from now.  A proper plan in training could've had problems like this solved well before the end of the season and now injury means they'll not have worked together all summer so nothing will have changed and we know from experience that it won't happen during the season.

Having watched them play together a few times last season Paul, I think there is always going to be a lack of a focal point with those two playing together.  Kodjia likes to drift into wide areas and Hogan really plays on the shoulder of defenders.  There isn't that target man type or a 'number 10' who can get the ball to feet and create things.

Jack's the number 10 - his off-the-ball movement's fine, and he should be the one who benefits the most from Terry's ability to pass through the lines. Of course, the issue with him is what he does once he gets on it - his decision-making and speed of thought can be so rubbish.

Agree and if Grealish can start having the kind of impact we all hope he will, he could really be the difference this season.  He really should be too good for this league and should be regularly contributing both goals and assists.  As I said before, I would start him and Hogan together on Saturday. 
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Post by: old man villa fan on July 27, 2017, 09:05:52 AM
[quote author=passitsideways

Jack's the number 10 - his off-the-ball movement's fine, and he should be the one who benefits the most from Terry's ability to pass through the lines. Of course, the issue with him is what he does once he gets on it - his decision-making and speed of thought can be so rubbish.
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He wants to make things happen but he needs players to be moving into space.  Just moving the ball on for the sake of it doesn't create good opportunities.  Speed of thought/instinctiveness relies on vision but is totally reliant on other players movement.  Similarly, decision making requires options.

His best spell and possibly his only consistent spell was working with Benteke and Delph when Sherwood came in.  There was movement all around him that took players away from him and gave him options.
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Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 27, 2017, 09:51:43 AM
[quote author=passitsideways

Jack's the number 10 - his off-the-ball movement's fine, and he should be the one who benefits the most from Terry's ability to pass through the lines. Of course, the issue with him is what he does once he gets on it - his decision-making and speed of thought can be so rubbish.

He wants to make things happen but he needs players to be moving into space.  Just moving the ball on for the sake of it doesn't create good opportunities.  Speed of thought/instinctiveness relies on vision but is totally reliant on other players movement.  Similarly, decision making requires options.

His best spell and possibly his only consistent spell was working with Benteke and Delph when Sherwood came in.  There was movement all around him that took players away from him and gave him options.
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Spot on, movement is the key to our problems.
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Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 27, 2017, 10:05:54 AM


For me Jack's main problem (apart from perhaps already thinking he's the finished article) is he's so slow. He never seems to be in full flight / mid run when he receives the ball. 99% of the time it's when he's stood still, which slows things down to a snails pace all the time. For me anyway
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Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2017, 12:05:11 PM


For me Jack's main problem (apart from perhaps already thinking he's the finished article) is he's so slow. He never seems to be in full flight / mid run when he receives the ball. 99% of the time it's when he's stood still, which slows things down to a snails pace all the time. For me anyway
And, slow to decide what he's going to do with the ball, as well.
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Post by: Nelly on July 27, 2017, 01:14:26 PM
A couple of times I've seen Grealish dally on the ball for an age and then play it to someone who has no chance of doing anything with it. Part of that is definitely a lack of options but sometimes he could look to play it simple if there's not anything on. That might be the pressure of being one of Villa's only creative players and the expectation on him to do something magical every time.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on July 27, 2017, 01:15:53 PM
Another perspective is that it is his game and how he does things - what we need to do is find a way that uses his obvious ability to best effect.
He has no natural pace but can go past players with ease. I think Jacks biggest issue certainly was throwing his arms up in the air when things did not go his way - maybe he will be more of a team player this season as he starts to mature.

He is classically at the brink or really good or an also ran who thought he had made it
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Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2017, 01:48:56 PM
All of these comments are valid

But I still maintain that the kid I saw emerge under Sherwood is a genuinely special talent
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2017, 03:37:37 PM
All of these comments are valid

But I still maintain that the kid I saw emerge under Sherwood is a genuinely special talent
Agreed.  But it's time he stepped up.  I just really hope this is his season.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 27, 2017, 03:47:41 PM
Grealish has the ability to hang onto the ball better than anyone else in the squad and to do something positive with it. He looked hampered last season in that the rest of the midfield were often too deep presumably concerned with their defensive roles.  With what appears to be a much improved defence and some pace offered in Elmo' maybe we will see the midfield pushing on that bit more with some movement giving Grealish more space and options.  That's what I hope to see anyway. 
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Post by: passitsideways on July 28, 2017, 12:25:27 AM
All of these comments are valid

But I still maintain that the kid I saw emerge under Sherwood is a genuinely special talent

Absolutely - that level of close control and spatial awareness is not something that comes around very often.

Just that this club hasn't been the most ideal situation for a player like him to develop, although obviously part of the blame has to be assigned to his apparent somewhat questionable attitude.

He and Alex Iwobi come off as quite similar to one another in terms of playing style, and the latter obviously is getting constant first-team action at Arsenal - I do feel that's where he might've been right now if the situation had been better than it has in the past few years.
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Post by: Neil Hawkes on July 28, 2017, 05:27:59 AM
Grealish has the ability to hang onto the ball better than anyone else in the squad and to do something positive with it. He looked hampered last season in that the rest of the midfield were often too deep presumably concerned with their defensive roles.  With what appears to be a much improved defence and some pace offered in Elmo' maybe we will see the midfield pushing on that bit more with some movement giving Grealish more space and options.  That's what I hope to see anyway. 
Hawkes likes this
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Post by: Damo70 on July 28, 2017, 12:28:04 PM
Grealish can do a decent job in the top flight, so at this level I think he can be very dangerous.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 19, 2017, 08:53:00 AM
33 stitches in his lip but still wants to play this week according to Bruce. Fairplay.
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Post by: AV5nobs on August 19, 2017, 09:52:14 AM
Mick Jagger?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: frank black on August 19, 2017, 10:17:36 AM
33 stitches in his lip but still wants to play this week according to Bruce. Fairplay.

Trying to figure out how you can fit 33 stitches on a lip. What was the challenge like that injured him that badly? Was he tackled by a jigsaw?
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Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 19, 2017, 11:52:26 AM
33 stitches in his lip but still wants to play this week according to Bruce. Fairplay.

Trying to figure out how you can fit 33 stitches on a lip. What was the challenge like that injured him that badly? Was he tackled by a jigsaw?

It's a puzzle, isn't it.
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Post by: CT on August 19, 2017, 12:13:09 PM
33 stitches in his lip but still wants to play this week according to Bruce. Fairplay.

Trying to figure out how you can fit 33 stitches on a lip. What was the challenge like that injured him that badly? Was he tackled by a jigsaw?


Was he tackled BY Jigsaw?

Hi Elmo, I want to play a game...
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Post by: curiousorange on August 19, 2017, 01:42:04 PM
I remember when Jonny Wilkinson played for England with a bunch of stitches in his lip. He looked like Frankenstein's monster.
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Post by: Steve67 on August 19, 2017, 02:38:19 PM
Fair play to Elmo. Puts the like of Richards and Agbonlahor to shame.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 20, 2017, 12:58:00 AM
I'm still not convinced by him. He needs to look at the other side of the pitch to see how Taylor and Green work so hard to support each other.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 20, 2017, 04:34:15 AM
I'm still not convinced by him.
Same here, not sure what he brings to the team.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2017, 09:37:19 AM
looks no better than Albert to me, but fair play to the guy for wanting to play yesterday.
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 20, 2017, 10:38:07 AM
Green and Taylor look much more competent that those on the right side. They give the ball away a lot less and leave the other less isolated.

I'd be having a good luck at De Laet and Adomah against Wigan. However Bruce does love Elmo and I can't see him getting dropped any time soon, especially after a 4-2 gubbing.
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Post by: Chris Smith on August 20, 2017, 10:47:46 AM
I'm still not convinced by him.
Same here, not sure what he brings to the team.

Speed and movement. He didn't do anything amazing yesterday but neither did he do anything terrible. Just a hard working performance where he did the basics well and helped keep their defence on their toes.
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Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2017, 10:56:29 AM
I prefer Adomah but Elmo has been ok so far. He's more of a right sided midfielder than a winger to me.
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Post by: andyh on August 20, 2017, 11:05:43 AM
looks no better than Albert to me, but fair play to the guy for wanting to play yesterday.
I think Albert gets far more involved when he plays.
Infact, that's one of the things I like about him.
The quality may not always be there, but the effort is.
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Post by: LeeB on August 20, 2017, 11:05:57 AM
I'm still not convinced by him.
Same here, not sure what he brings to the team.

Speed and movement. He didn't do anything amazing yesterday but neither did he do anything terrible. Just a hard working performance where he did the basics well and helped keep their defence on their toes.

Agreed.
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 20, 2017, 01:37:24 PM
I'm still not convinced by him. He needs to look at the other side of the pitch to see how Taylor and Green work so hard to support each other.

To be fair, he has had Hutton behind him in a few of the games.  You lose count of the number of times in a game Hutton puts the winger in front of him in trouble with a poor pass. He did it to Adomah on a regular basis last season. 

For what it's worth, I think Elmohamady is an improvement on Adomah, though I do wish we would stop hitting every goal kick in his direction especially as Johnstone's kicking isn't exactly accurate and doesn't get there  a lot of the time.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 20, 2017, 03:20:32 PM
I do wish we would stop hitting every goal kick in his direction especially as Johnstone's kicking isn't exactly accurate and doesn't get there  a lot of the time.

It's an idiotic tactic Bruce used previously at Hull. Goalkeeper boots the ball up to Elmo to head on. After 3 or 4 consecutive attempts, Johnstone obviously took it upon himself not to bother with the foolish nonsense. No doubt Bodger Bruce will have him practicing it all week at Bodymoor Heath.

Overall I've been very impressed with Johnstone's kicking both in terms of distance and accuracy.
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Post by: Matt Collins on August 20, 2017, 04:16:44 PM
I do wish we would stop hitting every goal kick in his direction especially as Johnstone's kicking isn't exactly accurate and doesn't get there  a lot of the time.

It's an idiotic tactic Bruce used previously at Hull. Goalkeeper boots the ball up to Elmo to head on. After 3 or 4 consecutive attempts, Johnstone obviously took it upon himself not to bother with the foolish nonsense. No doubt Bodger Bruce will have him practicing it all week at Bodymoor Heath.

Overall I've been very impressed with Johnstone's kicking both in terms of distance and accuracy.

The tactic makes a lot of sense if you've got hogan up front
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 20, 2017, 04:54:54 PM
I do wish we would stop hitting every goal kick in his direction especially as Johnstone's kicking isn't exactly accurate and doesn't get there  a lot of the time.

It's an idiotic tactic Bruce used previously at Hull. Goalkeeper boots the ball up to Elmo to head on. After 3 or 4 consecutive attempts, Johnstone obviously took it upon himself not to bother with the foolish nonsense. No doubt Bodger Bruce will have him practicing it all week at Bodymoor Heath.

Overall I've been very impressed with Johnstone's kicking both in terms of distance and accuracy.

Have to disagree with the last bit I'm afraid.  I think Johnstone looks a better keeper in many aspects than last season already, but his kicking still leaves a lot to be desired in terms of accuracy.  I hope to see that tactic stopped to be honest as it is so easy to counteract by putting someone in front of Elmohamady any way.
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Post by: Risso on August 25, 2017, 09:51:24 PM
Hopeless tonight I thought.
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Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2017, 09:53:20 PM
Not just tonight. Every match he has played in so far.
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Post by: Rudy65 on August 25, 2017, 09:58:40 PM
My Hull mate said he was poor last season and looked disinterested. Ditto for us. Snodgrass to play on the right?
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Post by: andyh on August 25, 2017, 10:01:45 PM
Utter waste of space and time. I'd rather see Adomah playing any day of the week.

No doubt he will be undroppable as he is obviously a Bruce favourite.
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Post by: passitsideways on August 25, 2017, 10:02:40 PM
His crossing tonight was a proper atrocity to mankind.
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Post by: itbrvilla on August 25, 2017, 10:05:00 PM
Can't fucking cross and yet its his special ability. Useless.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2017, 10:05:33 PM
Huttonesque crossing tonight.
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Post by: achilles on August 25, 2017, 10:07:13 PM
He was utter shit, not even close to Adomah ability
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Post by: FranzBiberkopf on August 25, 2017, 10:56:38 PM
He stunk the house out tonight that's for sure.

We'll go nowhere whilst we continue to sign these players looking for one last pay cheque before retirement (Elomohamady, Whelan, Terry etc).
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 25, 2017, 11:01:37 PM
Just such an underwhelming option for me as the most attacking outlet on the right, he just strikes me as a right back playing out of position.

Bit like when we used to play De La Cruz or even Milner there, yes they'll run up and down the line but we actually need some quality and goal threat.

Snodgrass will fit that bill nicely.
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Post by: itbrvilla on August 25, 2017, 11:07:57 PM
He was utter shit, not even close to Adomah ability
I Want Albert in the team!
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Post by: Steve67 on August 26, 2017, 12:01:09 AM
Poor tonight I thought. Very ordinary crosses and often fails to cover his defender. I want so much more from him. He's more than capable of delivering.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 26, 2017, 12:08:07 AM
As many have said, what does he bring except the flick on goal keeper punt, no pace to get past the defender and crap crossing.
He runs around a lot but that's it
Steve Bruce type of player all right.
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 26, 2017, 12:16:02 AM
Had a poor one tonight and should have made way for Adomah in the second half. 
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Post by: Dave on August 26, 2017, 12:16:18 AM
Just such an underwhelming option for me as the most attacking outlet on the right, he just strikes me as a right back playing out of position.

I'd say that right wing-back is his ideal position. He's not a right-back, nor a midfielder, nor a winger.

But nor should the team in a million years be arranged to accommodate a fairly incidental player at right wing-back and better players suffer because of it.

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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 26, 2017, 12:17:36 AM
Everything we did well going forward ended if it ended up with him.  Fucking diabolical.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 26, 2017, 05:13:58 AM
Taxi!
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Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2017, 11:33:06 AM
Snodgrass will take that position I imagine?
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Post by: CT on August 26, 2017, 12:02:49 PM
I've only seen a few games, but I have to say that Albert offers us better quality than him.
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Post by: aj2k77 on August 26, 2017, 12:05:50 PM
Adomah, as limited as he is, is streets ahead of this guy.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 26, 2017, 04:15:04 PM
Adomah, as limited as he is, is streets ahead of this guy.
Both lack pace to be really dangerous,Adomah has a bit better deliverey.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 26, 2017, 09:39:23 PM
Adomah, as limited as he is, is streets ahead of this guy.
Both lack pace to be really dangerous,Adomah has a bit better deliverey.

Adomah is dangerous though, he has bucketloads of assists at this level and lays more goals on for us than most. I don't think Elmo is bad either. Snodgrass is better than both of them but think Bruce will play him behind the striker.
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Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2017, 04:21:48 AM
Adomah, as limited as he is, is streets ahead of this guy.
Both lack pace to be really dangerous,Adomah has a bit better deliverey.

Adomah is dangerous though, he has bucketloads of assists at this level and lays more goals on for us than most. I don't think Elmo is bad either. Snodgrass is better than both of them but think Bruce will play him behind the striker.

You'd have to drop Onomah or Hourihane to do that though. Hard to do that at the moment at least. I'd play Snoddy right ahead of Elmo
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 27, 2017, 11:38:08 AM
can we get rid of him before the transfer window ends . I don't see the point of him while we have Snodgrass and Albert , who is a better player than him and no point having him as a RB with De laet , Bree and Hutton here .

Id be really happy to see Elmo , Hutton , Richards and Agbonlahor gone to be honest.
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Post by: Ads on August 27, 2017, 11:38:35 AM
Jesus Christ.
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 27, 2017, 11:42:51 AM
Jesus Christ.


is he on our books too :)   thought McGrath had retired
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 27, 2017, 11:51:45 AM
Snodgrass has been complaining about being played at left wing at Wet Spam so I think he will play behind the strikers so Elmo is safe.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2017, 12:05:26 PM
Snodgrass is certainly a wide player from what I've seen, he played there at Hull and Norwich.
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Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2017, 12:17:26 PM
Snodgrass has been complaining about being played at left wing at Wet Spam so I think he will play behind the strikers so Elmo is safe.

Snodgrass: I left West Ham because I want to play on the right or behind the striker

Conclusion: current right winger will remain in the team

🤔
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Post by: Mister E on August 27, 2017, 10:20:22 PM
Bloody amazing, really. We have Adomah: someone who is limited but gets the ball into scores.
We then sign Elmo who has an assist record.
We have Green, who is benefitting from being in the first team and will get better.
So Snoddy - WHY?
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Post by: Mister E on August 27, 2017, 10:22:11 PM
We have a bloated squad and so bringing in an expensive loanee really seems to be a 'smart move'.



NOT
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 27, 2017, 10:32:19 PM
Bloody amazing, really. We have Adomah: someone who is limited but gets the ball into scores.
We then sign Elmo who has an assist record.
We have Green, who is benefitting from being in the first team and will get better.
So Snoddy - WHY?

If he's going to play on the left then I can see the logic, as we could do with an option out there really.  Whether he is the right option I'm not sure, as we could really do with pacy options out wide.  I just worry that this signing signifies more tinkering with the formation in the weeks ahead. 
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Post by: LukeJames on August 27, 2017, 10:36:05 PM
I'd rather we stuck with Green on the left, its better for us and his development. He pops up in some excellent positions and I think he will get double figures if he plays the games.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on August 28, 2017, 05:25:11 PM
So do I.

I imagine that even SB will keep Green out on the left, with Snodgrass playing the no. 10 (c. P Lambert) role.
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Post by: Mister E on August 28, 2017, 07:32:42 PM
So do I.

I imagine that even SB will keep Green out on the left, with Snodgrass playing the no. 10 (c. P Lambert) role.
so, where will Onomah play?
I'm confused!
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Post by: wittonwarrior on August 28, 2017, 08:08:58 PM
So do I.

I imagine that even SB will keep Green out on the left, with Snodgrass playing the no. 10 (c. P Lambert) role.
so, where will Onomah play?
I'm confused!

This is where I am stuck as well, we have a few Snodgrass's already  - Onomah  adds something  new to the starting 11 ( a box to box player) - As for Elmo he is our best option wide right - better than Adomah - he has a touch of pace and can cross. 

Can see Whelan's place at danger unless he ups it, as Bruce will view each and every player much the way we view him, only Bruce can do something about it each and every game.
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Post by: andyh on September 09, 2017, 06:41:58 PM
This bloke is a complete and utter waste of fucking time, but appears to be undroppable.

When Bruce is fucked off, hopefully 'Elmo' will follow shortly aftwards.

'Elmo'? Fucking 'Elmo'?
More like Kermit the fucking frog.
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 09, 2017, 07:02:30 PM
He certainly isn't a left winger!
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Post by: SoccerHQ on September 09, 2017, 07:07:06 PM
Boring selection.

Boring player.
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Post by: olaftab on September 09, 2017, 07:36:00 PM
He is shit. Shit in everything he does. The worst player I have seen in a Villa shirt ....ever. There I have said it.
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Post by: Mister E on September 09, 2017, 07:40:23 PM
He is shit. Shit in everything he does. The worst player I have seen in a Villa shirt ....ever. There I have said it.
Blimey, that's quite a claim.
We've had a few .... so depressing I can't even bring myself to name a few challengers.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on September 09, 2017, 07:44:02 PM
Not the worst player ever but I never get the feeling he's going to do anything on the pitch, create or score. Wasn't he the sort of player who put in loads of crosses at his previous clubs?

If we have to have him in the team I'd put him at RB. Might not be great there but surely if we want to be on the front foot it makes more sense than him wasting an attacking spot.

3 year deal wasn't it PWS? We can see where this signing is going.
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Post by: Risso on September 09, 2017, 07:52:22 PM
A nothing player.  I hope Snodgrass is some use, because Elmo certainly isn't.
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on September 09, 2017, 07:52:47 PM
How he can play over Adomah is disgusting
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Post by: Matt Collins on September 09, 2017, 07:57:56 PM
I'd definitely have Adomah in the squad ahead of him
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Post by: Risso on September 09, 2017, 08:07:39 PM
I'd definitely have Adomah in the squad ahead of him

How many assists did Adomah get last season, into double figures wasn't it?
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Post by: Three Spires Villa on September 09, 2017, 08:24:16 PM
Poor player who hopefully Bruce will take with him when he fecks off out of here, and to think I had to listen on the coach on the way home from Bristol how good he is and better than any other Villa players, dear me
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Post by: paul_e on September 09, 2017, 08:45:46 PM
Good to see a lot of people now seeing the player I suspected we were getting.  Some of the comments on this thread after the germany tournament were massively over the top.  What we bought was a guy who was passable cover for right back and right mid and acceptable as a right wing back.  Adomah is a better player with a far better record (even if he is also fairly limited at times) but Elmo gives him the option to smack long balls out to the wing so he plays regularly.
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Post by: CT on September 09, 2017, 09:04:55 PM
The three pricks behind me were slagging Elmo today when there was no one within a mile of him trying to support or make a run.

I just couldn't help myself. I asked the bloke what the fuck he was supposed to do when none of his team mates offered any help.

He said he should "run and take everyone on".

OK, brilliant.

Don't get me wrong, he's a bang average player, but playing in a side set up to defend, and defend deep, he had no chance.
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Post by: Matt Collins on September 09, 2017, 09:25:13 PM
I did he assume he'd been bought to play wing back and not that he'd be ever present on the right wing
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Post by: Richard on September 09, 2017, 11:17:39 PM
He's not as good as Albert end of but might be worth trying at right back as suggested earlier.
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Post by: aj2k77 on September 10, 2017, 12:15:27 AM
Fucking crap, Bruces illegitimate son can fuck off. He's absolutely shit, waste of money, waste of wages, has nothing going for him apart from he knows Potato.
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Post by: davidb on September 10, 2017, 12:45:08 AM
Thought he was misused. Won everything in the air and cleary had the beating in a foot race with his full back. But would prefer AA given his form last year
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 10, 2017, 01:59:03 AM
I did he assume he'd been bought to play wing back and not that he'd be ever present on the right wing

Yup, three at the back with wing backs. That lasted what, one game? Bodger Bruce and his square peg in a round hole approach to football strikes again.
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Post by: wittonwarrior on September 10, 2017, 08:01:26 AM
His game  changed yesterday instead of trying to move the ball forward he was attempting to hit  the ball forward and twice from really good balls  from Terry he struggled to control the damm thing  in a wide forward position on the right when he could have done some damage. 

All in all going backwards rather than forwards with his displays.
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Post by: Risso on September 10, 2017, 08:08:46 AM
I did he assume he'd been bought to play wing back and not that he'd be ever present on the right wing

Yup, three at the back with wing backs. That lasted what, one game? Bodger Bruce and his square peg in a round hole approach to football strikes again.

That Bruce has no settled idea of his favourite style of play or formation is one of the biggest indictments.  How can the players know what they're supposed to be doing if the manager doesn't?
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Post by: in exile on September 10, 2017, 10:08:19 AM
Elmohamady - simply not good enough
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Post by: dcdavecollett on September 11, 2017, 04:12:15 PM
Should have scored from Green's cross early in the second half but slipped as it came in - a bit unlucky. The pen was a 50/50 shout.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 11, 2017, 04:20:53 PM
Should have scored from Green's cross early in the second half but slipped as it came in - a bit unlucky. The pen was a 50/50 shout.

He should have scored, shocking attempt, it was never a pen. We might see a more improved player when JK is fit and firing.
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Post by: tomd2103 on September 11, 2017, 04:24:14 PM
The last two performances have been poor.  I wish Bruce would stop instructing Johnstone to kick every ball in his general direction.  It is such a poor tactic.     
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Post by: dcdavecollett on September 13, 2017, 12:32:07 PM
Although Dean 'Tiki-taka' Smith used precisely the same tactic with his right winger against Neil Taylor until the wide man went off with an injury before the break. In the eyes of some, one is a football Neanderthal while the other is the epitome of modern, enlightened football, yet in this instance they used the same approach.
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Post by: Tuscans on September 13, 2017, 12:37:36 PM
He looks like Hutton with a decent cross. Though he will probably still start ahead of Albert Saturday.
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Post by: Chris Jameson on September 13, 2017, 12:40:55 PM
I haven't seen much of him but I noticed he came in for a load of stick on the Norwich threads despite having a decent game. Is he officially the new whipping boy in the absence of Grealish, I'm struggling to keep up, we have so many candidates. I propose Lansbury.
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Post by: LeeB on September 13, 2017, 07:12:35 PM
I haven't seen much of him but I noticed he came in for a load of stick on the Norwich threads despite having a decent game. Is he officially the new whipping boy in the absence of Grealish, I'm struggling to keep up, we have so many candidates. I propose Lansbury.

He's been sound in the last two games, despite playing in about 14 positions across the two games. That isn't easy in itself, better players would struggle. I quite like him.

Lansbury however is fully deserved, the plodding shitehawk.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 13, 2017, 07:19:26 PM
He looked half decent at full back. Far more involved.
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Post by: Risso on September 13, 2017, 07:46:57 PM
I haven't seen much of him but I noticed he came in for a load of stick on the Norwich threads despite having a decent game. Is he officially the new whipping boy in the absence of Grealish, I'm struggling to keep up, we have so many candidates. I propose Lansbury.

He's been sound in the last two games, despite playing in about 14 positions across the two games. That isn't easy in itself, better players would struggle. I quite like him.

Lansbury however is fully deserved, the plodding shitehawk.

Elmohamady was OK at right back.  I thought Lansbury was arguably our best player in the first half, he seemed to be the only player who wanted to pass it forwards.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on September 13, 2017, 08:03:51 PM
Thought he was o.k last night. If he has to start it needs to be RB and not further forward.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on September 16, 2017, 10:02:35 PM
Beautiful cross for the goal.
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Post by: wittonwarrior on September 16, 2017, 10:18:17 PM
Made the second as well great pass forward to davies
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Post by: SoccerHQ on September 16, 2017, 10:50:55 PM
No issue with him at RB.
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Post by: Dave on September 16, 2017, 10:54:57 PM
No issue with him at RB.

Agreed. An right back with a decent cross and an instinct to get forward is fine with me.

He just shouldn't be one of our three most attacking players like he has been in previous matches.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 16, 2017, 11:49:58 PM
No issue with him at RB.

Agreed. An right back with a decent cross and an instinct to get forward is fine with me.

He just shouldn't be one of our three most attacking players like he has been in previous matches.

He scares the shit out of me at right back. He's completely reckless in that he has no positional sense, leaves asteroid size holes down our right side when he decides he'd rather play on the wing. Watching him jog back numerous times today had me screaming. If it had been anybody else he'd have been hung. For me, he's the weak link in our back for and we'll be punished sooner rather than later for his lack of intelligence, as technically he's a more than decent player.

Great cross for the third goal today though.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on September 17, 2017, 01:37:03 AM
No issue with him at RB.

Agreed. An right back with a decent cross and an instinct to get forward is fine with me.

He just shouldn't be one of our three most attacking players like he has been in previous matches.

He scares the shit out of me at right back. He's completely reckless in that he has no positional sense, leaves asteroid size holes down our right side when he decides he'd rather play on the wing. Watching him jog back numerous times today had me screaming. If it had been anybody else he'd have been hung. For me, he's the weak link in our back for and we'll be punished sooner rather than later for his lack of intelligence, as technically he's a more than decent player.

Great cross for the third goal today though.

I love Hutton's input but I can't remember ever saying
 "Great cross for the third goal today though."
So fair play Elmo
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Post by: ChicagoLion on September 17, 2017, 02:12:01 AM
No issue with him at RB.

Agreed. An right back with a decent cross and an instinct to get forward is fine with me.

He just shouldn't be one of our three most attacking players like he has been in previous matches.

He scares the shit out of me at right back. He's completely reckless in that he has no positional sense, leaves asteroid size holes down our right side when he decides he'd rather play on the wing. Watching him jog back numerous times today had me screaming. If it had been anybody else he'd have been hung. For me, he's the weak link in our back for and we'll be punished sooner rather than later for his lack of intelligence, as technically he's a more than decent player.

Great cross for the third goal today though.
A completely unnecessary signing.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on September 17, 2017, 02:21:23 AM
No issue with him at RB.

Agreed. An right back with a decent cross and an instinct to get forward is fine with me.

He just shouldn't be one of our three most attacking players like he has been in previous matches.

He scares the shit out of me at right back. He's completely reckless in that he has no positional sense, leaves asteroid size holes down our right side when he decides he'd rather play on the wing. Watching him jog back numerous times today had me screaming. If it had been anybody else he'd have been hung. For me, he's the weak link in our back for and we'll be punished sooner rather than later for his lack of intelligence, as technically he's a more than decent player.

Great cross for the third goal today though.
A completely unnecessary signing.

Maybe, maybe not, let's see how the season evolves., he's quite versatile, inmho
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Post by: Smoke on September 18, 2017, 10:28:39 AM
Elmo or Bacuna?

Elmo for me.
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Post by: wittonwarrior on September 18, 2017, 01:15:43 PM
Elmo or Bacuna?

Elmo for me.

No contest Elmo is light years ahead
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Post by: tomd2103 on September 18, 2017, 01:24:22 PM
No issue with him at RB.

Agreed. An right back with a decent cross and an instinct to get forward is fine with me.

He just shouldn't be one of our three most attacking players like he has been in previous matches.

He scares the shit out of me at right back. He's completely reckless in that he has no positional sense, leaves asteroid size holes down our right side when he decides he'd rather play on the wing. Watching him jog back numerous times today had me screaming. If it had been anybody else he'd have been hung. For me, he's the weak link in our back for and we'll be punished sooner rather than later for his lack of intelligence, as technically he's a more than decent player.

Great cross for the third goal today though.
A completely unnecessary signing.

If he's going to play RB then I agree, as it means we have three other RBs who are either sitting on the bench or in the stands.  I don't think he's far enough ahead of those three in ability to suggest he is needed. 

That said, I think Bruce signed him to play on the wing first and foremost. 
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Post by: Clampy on September 18, 2017, 01:28:56 PM
He brought him in because he knows him well, he trusts him and knows he can do a job and while we probably didn't need him now Snodgrass is here, I can understand why he wanted him. He's been ok-ish  so far.
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Post by: Risso on September 18, 2017, 01:51:46 PM
He brought him in because he knows him well, he trusts him and knows he can do a job and while we probably didn't need him now Snodgrass is here, I can understand why he wanted him. He's been ok-ish  so far.

On the last two displays he's probably the best right back we have, which doesn't say much for De Laet or Bree.
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Post by: Hookeysmith on September 18, 2017, 01:57:14 PM
As a measure

Hutton - he is better in all areas than "Cafu"

Bree - mistake ridden and not convinced by him - although still very young

DeLaet - The most accomplished defender but has turned into the invisible man

Richards - Good God - I would rather play with 10 men

So unless we can dispel the myth that is RDL and he starts to play - there is no one better for that position
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Post by: tomd2103 on September 18, 2017, 02:19:34 PM
As a measure

Hutton - he is better in all areas than "Cafu"

Bree - mistake ridden and not convinced by him - although still very young

DeLaet - The most accomplished defender but has turned into the invisible man

Richards - Good God - I would rather play with 10 men

So unless we can dispel the myth that is RDL and he starts to play - there is no one better for that position

Which means we have potentially got three players in one position sitting in the stand.  Considering the kind of money Richards, Hutton and De Laet are on, that is a ridiculous place for a second tier side to be in.   
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Post by: in exile on September 18, 2017, 03:02:19 PM
He brought him in because he knows him well, he trusts him and knows he can do a job and while we probably didn't need him now Snodgrass is here, I can understand why he wanted him. He's been ok-ish  so far.

On the last two displays he's probably the best right back we have, which doesn't say much for De Laet or Bree.

The De Laet you have hardly seen play?
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Post by: olaftab on September 18, 2017, 03:13:58 PM
I thought Elmo was good against Boro when moved to centre midfield.
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Post by: KRS on September 18, 2017, 06:23:25 PM
Is RDL fully fit yet? He hasn't played a full 90 minutes since coming back from his injury (as far as I'm aware), and I remember Bruce saying that it's best to make sure he takes his time to fully recover rather than rush him back into the team. The good news for us is that both Elmo and RDL are quite versatile and can play in several positions when called upon.
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Post by: footyskillz on August 19, 2018, 09:50:47 PM
Elmo play is only ok and in some ways as a trustee Bruce soldier he seems to be shoe horned in and kept on due to versitility.

Pleased for him he scored but with RDL , Bree and Hutton I don't see totally why he always get a kind of preference.

He quite steady and know what you get so maybe answering own question but I do feel he's way more favoured than some due to Bruce and maybe now new owners Egyptian love affair will continue
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Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2018, 08:51:12 AM
Elmo or Bacuna?

Elmo for me.

Saturday could be a head to head.

I do like Elmo but feel he needs to be now a back up in the attacking sense what with the players coming in who are genuine wing players with skills and pace.

Bruce will likely keep him involved Saturday but by all means have him rested and give El ghazi the start.

I think Bruce will find a way to have Elmo in and bacuna should be playing in middle again for reading but I go with Elmo in the debate
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Post by: footyskillz on August 28, 2018, 09:56:32 AM
Well done Elmo . 2 goals in league already !
He's playing the wide advanced forward role when he's scored these

I do wonder if Green was in that role as wide right then would we have been further ahead in matches and scored more goals. Even having Bjarnasson or Grealish in one of the
wide attacking roles.

With elmo his versatility and his familiariity to bruce makes him an assest that's dependable if not spectacular.
With Bruce as manager he likes these types along with the Huttons and Chesters.

Elmo has a cross on him but it's not considered consistent however he has also assisted goal this season

I think having brought in others Elmo should be given a role at  right back and come forward to advance though I would like to see Bree or RDL in this RB  role as I think both are pacey

Frustratingly it's neither getting in a look in league wise.

Back to Elmo I would have him not as a wide forward with the other players villa have .


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Post by: Risso on August 28, 2018, 09:59:11 AM


I do wonder if Green was in that role as wide right then would we have been further ahead in matches and scored more goals. Even having Bjarnasson or Grealish in one of the
wide attacking roles.


To answer your points - Green no.  The lad isn't ready.  I'm not going to write him off but he's been very poor this season and needs to go on a season's loan somewhere down the league.

As for Bjarnason, Bruce tried him in an attacking position on the left last season, and to say it wasn't a huge success is a massive understatement.  In any case, we now have Adomah, El Ghazi and Bolasie fighting for three spots, so not sure why you'd need to play the players you mention out of position.
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Post by: footyskillz on August 28, 2018, 10:37:13 AM


I do wonder if Green was in that role as wide right then would we have been further ahead in matches and scored more goals. Even having Bjarnasson or Grealish in one of the
wide attacking roles.


To answer your points - Green no.  The lad isn't ready.  I'm not going to write him off but he's been very poor this season and needs to go on a season's loan somewhere down the league.

As for Bjarnason, Bruce tried him in an attacking position on the left last season, and to say it wasn't a huge success is a massive understatement.  In any case, we now have Adomah, El Ghazi and Bolasie fighting for three spots, so not sure why you'd need to play the players you mention out of position.

Oh I sorry I mean I mention before this with ideas before  thinking about new signings more of a comment of what's happened so far .

I actually set up a thread about tactics as was thinking about the effectiveness of our wide players and full backs.

Also if Bruce understand what it like to be a full back in 2018
That wingers aren't so common or simply they are wide forwards was a mention on motd or sky over weekend I think.

Because allot of full backs from Alonso to Monreal bellerin , trippier, Robertson , Alex Arnold are offering a major attacking threat with anount they get forward and assist.

Okay it's not Liverpool or Arsenal full backs we have but the idea is still good


Hutton and Tuanzebe ?? Aren't offering what we need from a modern day full back.

But Bruce has brought in two wise players to do the attacking so hopefully works out but likes of Elmo can be a support in the new players attacking forrays.

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Post by: Risso on August 28, 2018, 10:41:13 AM
Elmo as a right back is perfectly fine, and given his ability to play forward, gives us a nice balance.
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Post by: paul_e on August 28, 2018, 10:59:49 AM
In Elmo and RDL we have 2 of the best right backs in the league, and neither of them are playing there.
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Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2018, 11:04:41 AM
total madness - Bruce's inability to play people in their rightful positions is going to fuck us us and ultimately him.
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Post by: Brassneck on August 28, 2018, 11:10:19 AM
I'm convinced that the long term plan is for Elmo to play RB and Axel to move into the centre.  Bruce is just trying to give Axel game time to bring him up to speed with the Championship.  We are then going to see a settled back 4 of Elmo, Axel, Chester Hutton.
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Post by: Chris Smith on August 28, 2018, 11:32:12 AM
I'm convinced that the long term plan is for Elmo to play RB and Axel to move into the centre.  Bruce is just trying to give Axel game time to bring him up to speed with the Championship.  We are then going to see a settled back 4 of Elmo, Axel, Chester Hutton.

I think youíre right, with Bolasie playing wide right.
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Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2018, 06:39:04 AM
Yep I agree

Although with axel playing in midfield the other night I did start to worry that we might be wrong. Why not give him more game time at CB if thats the plan
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Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2018, 12:01:27 PM
I'm convinced that the long term plan is for Elmo to play RB and Axel to move into the centre.  Bruce is just trying to give Axel game time to bring him up to speed with the Championship.  We are then going to see a settled back 4 of Elmo, Axel, Chester Hutton.

No way Hutton will start once we land a left back (fingers crossed)
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 30, 2018, 12:09:19 PM
I'm convinced that the long term plan is for Elmo to play RB and Axel to move into the centre.  Bruce is just trying to give Axel game time to bring him up to speed with the Championship.  We are then going to see a settled back 4 of Elmo, Axel, Chester Hutton.

I think youíre right, with Bolasie playing wide right.

Having wingers like Bolasie kind of negates the need for attacking full-backs really.  With out and out wingers in the side, full-backs revert to a more traditional supporting role as opposed to the more modern onus on overlapping and getting forward.  I agree that Elmohamady is fine for where we currently find ourselves, but have a nagging feeling that Bruce will continue playing Tuanzebe there.
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Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2018, 12:28:09 PM
I'm convinced that the long term plan is for Elmo to play RB and Axel to move into the centre.  Bruce is just trying to give Axel game time to bring him up to speed with the Championship.  We are then going to see a settled back 4 of Elmo, Axel, Chester Hutton.

I think youíre right, with Bolasie playing wide right.

Having wingers like Bolasie kind of negates the need for attacking full-backs really.  With out and out wingers in the side, full-backs revert to a more traditional supporting role as opposed to the more modern onus on overlapping and getting forward.  I agree that Elmohamady is fine for where we currently find ourselves, but have a nagging feeling that Bruce will continue playing Tuanzebe there.

Only if you're playing 2 up front.  With 1 striker the wingers need to get into the box more so the fullbacks need to get forward to stop us getting too narrow.
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 30, 2018, 12:35:06 PM
I'm convinced that the long term plan is for Elmo to play RB and Axel to move into the centre.  Bruce is just trying to give Axel game time to bring him up to speed with the Championship.  We are then going to see a settled back 4 of Elmo, Axel, Chester Hutton.

I think youíre right, with Bolasie playing wide right.

Having wingers like Bolasie kind of negates the need for attacking full-backs really.  With out and out wingers in the side, full-backs revert to a more traditional supporting role as opposed to the more modern onus on overlapping and getting forward.  I agree that Elmohamady is fine for where we currently find ourselves, but have a nagging feeling that Bruce will continue playing Tuanzebe there.

Only if you're playing 2 up front.  With 1 striker the wingers need to get into the box more so the fullbacks need to get forward to stop us getting too narrow.

If the wingers tuck in or are on their 'wrong' side (i.e. Snodgrass last season) then I agree that full-back would still be required to get forward and overlap.  If Bolasie stays wide though, there won't be as much of a need for the right-back behind him to get forward as much.  Therefore, I could see Bruce possibly sticking with Tuanzebe there (I wouldn't) to provide a bit of extra height and physicality. 
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Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2018, 12:56:57 PM
Yeah this was how Fulham differed to us - well one way!

The wingers played high and narrow a lot more and the full backs pushed on. Leaves the striker with more support and gives more space to the attacking midfielders
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Post by: footyskillz on September 01, 2018, 09:51:30 AM
Is elmo going to continue his goal from his attacking position

Reliable and dependable to Bruce I would like others given opportunity ahead of him

But against Sheffield United I imagine getting him on pitch from start will be a given
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Post by: footyskillz on October 01, 2018, 10:28:59 PM
I feel he may have more been rested rather than dropped and be back v Preston
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Post by: footyskillz on October 22, 2018, 10:47:47 PM
Fair play to Elmo on Saturday offering good crossing and delivering .
I think he has his limitations but has provided a decent assist and sometimes even a goal threat.

However moving forward feel there are others who should be in ahead of him but on his performance and what contribution so far I think he close to a first choice even under new manager
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Post by: nodge on December 03, 2018, 06:06:24 PM
Love his new song, fair play to the lads in Dr Brownís on Saturday for their persistence.
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Post by: Ads on December 03, 2018, 06:08:24 PM
He's Egyptian!
He cost us less than a million!
We think he's fucking brilliant!
Elmohaaaaaamady

To the tune of She's Electric.
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Post by: Roysmert on December 11, 2018, 05:30:32 PM
Has this player EVER let us down? I can't think of any game he's been less than a seven. We looked better after Taylor went off and he came on, that Leicester player was in Elmo's pocket.
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Post by: Clampy on December 11, 2018, 05:33:02 PM
I've always liked him and no, he's not really let us down. He's been a very decent signing for the money.
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Post by: paul_e on December 11, 2018, 08:12:48 PM
He's always solid and does a good job but only at fullback for me, I hate seeing him on the wing.

I never wanted him though but that was always a squad balance thing more than anything else, I've probably slagged him off at some point in this thread but that was always more to do with him coming in when we had 3 right backs in the squad and thinking he's not massively better than 2 of them (in Hutton and RDL) and was just about to turn 30.
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Post by: Steve67 on December 11, 2018, 09:46:34 PM
I thought he did an even better job against Harvey Barnes than Hutton did.  I'd be quite happy seeing those two as our full backs for the rest of the season, unless of course we bring in another left back. 
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Post by: Matt Collins on December 11, 2018, 09:47:59 PM
Me too

He always overlaps so well. Crucial for the el ghazi goal
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Post by: XXVilla on December 15, 2018, 06:25:45 PM
Poor today. Unforced error with the header that led to the penalty.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on December 15, 2018, 07:01:02 PM
Yeah, not his best. Crossing was too flat aswell.
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Post by: footyskillz on April 13, 2019, 06:52:46 PM
Bumping this as have to say Elmo has been a super asset to the system and the 8 wins achieved.

What I most like is how he's being more thoughtful with his delivery and that pull back midweek to Grealish was great footy awareness.
I hold my hands up on Elmo as thought he was way out of it and have to say never really rated him for a first choice role.
So I didn't see that.
What I think is he's been beneficial after his appearance when he messed up and gave naive penalty away. Tackling isn't his strength  and even last week being exposed for the sheff wed goal but with Smith system as a right back Elmo is being effective.

He's able to get up and down and I always saw him as a decent wing back or winger but not a right back .
The beauty the way Smith plays his football makes Elmo a very effective player.
Especially away from home think he adds a lot .
Well played Elmo
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Post by: olaftab on April 13, 2019, 06:54:08 PM
Agreed. His best game ever for us today.
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Post by: Villafirst on April 13, 2019, 07:12:00 PM
Superb performance by Elmo today.
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Post by: wittonwarrior on April 13, 2019, 07:15:32 PM
Echo echo
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Post by: garyshawsknee on April 13, 2019, 07:18:15 PM
Fair play to the Egyptian Cafu. Has been really good in recent weeks, so much more of a threat in the attacking third and has improved defensively after a dodgy spell earlier in the season.
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Post by: danno on April 13, 2019, 07:40:34 PM
The nutmeg of their sub Palmer near the end of the game was class!
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Post by: jwarry on April 13, 2019, 07:43:03 PM
To be fair Elmo and Taylor have come into their own in recent weeks and that is down to good management
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Post by: AV82EC on April 14, 2019, 09:23:05 AM
He was an absolute liability over Christmas when he seemed to be making multiple mistakes every game but now he’s the absolute perfect balance of an attacking full back for this system. That nutmeg was just joyous.
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Post by: LeeB on April 14, 2019, 10:16:04 AM
He was an absolute liability over Christmas when he seemed to be making multiple mistakes every game but now he’s the absolute perfect balance of an attacking full back for this system. That nutmeg was just joyous.

In my mind, no nutmeg is complete without the phrase "megs you c**t" thrown at the already humilated opponent.
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Post by: in exile on April 14, 2019, 11:56:32 AM
He and Taylor had excellent games for us yesterday
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 14, 2019, 11:58:48 AM
He's generally done well at RB for us aside from that 2-3 games over xmas when he really struggled v Stoke and then that Leeds kid took the mick out of him.

Good thing is DS has stopped played him at right midfield which the previous manager liked to do.

Would keep him around next season as think he still has year left on his deal.
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Post by: brontebilly on April 14, 2019, 02:42:12 PM
Good solid pro, wasn't too happy when Bruce signed him given our surplus of right backs but hasn't let us down too often. Sets up a fair amount of goals and a decent defender. Showed good character to come back from that horrible spell of form.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 14, 2019, 06:00:48 PM
I thought he'd been poor for us when played this season compared to last but recently he's really raised his game. Over Christmas he couldn't cross the road, nevermind cross a ball, which justified dropping him as not only is it his greatest strength, I'd say he's the best crosser in the squad and when on form really provides the attack with quality service. A joy to watch.
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Post by: paul_e on April 14, 2019, 06:12:00 PM
I thought he'd been poor for us when played this season compared to last but recently he's really raised his game. Over Christmas he couldn't cross the road, nevermind cross a ball, which justified dropping him as not only is it his greatest strength, I'd say he's the best crosser in the squad and when on form really provides the attack with quality service. A joy to watch.

Until he came back in to cover the Hutton injury I think he was a fair shout for our worst player of the season. To go from the nervy defending and toothless attack we were seeing at Christmas to his performances in the last week or so is a huge turnaround and he deserves a lot of credit for it.
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Post by: Brassneck on April 14, 2019, 07:02:21 PM
I've always been a fan of Elmo's.  He has almost always given steady performances of 7 out of 10.

He had that blip around December where he was a walking disaster and lost his place.  However, with Hutton's injury, the door opened back up for him and he's taken his opportunity. 

Currently, he is possibly playing the best football of his Villa career.   
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Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 14, 2019, 07:49:23 PM


In his entire Villa career i think he's had a handful of less than 5/10 games for us. He's pretty much a constant 6/10 player with the odd 7-8/10

He always got more stick than was warranted (ditto Taylor) but there you go.

To think Hutton played RB ahead of him for so long ... AARRGGH
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 14, 2019, 08:06:41 PM
And how for much of his time here, his primary role has been that of flicker-onner of goal kicks.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 14, 2019, 09:19:57 PM
And how for much of his time here, his primary role has been that of flicker-onner of goal kicks.

I remember reading about that 'tactic' on a Hull site and thinking they're taking the piss.
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Post by: Brassneck on April 14, 2019, 09:22:13 PM
Despite having that good heading ability, he is normally the player left back for corners which I've always found very strange.
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Post by: rougegorge on June 15, 2019, 01:34:20 PM
Captained and scored the winner for Egypt the other day. He could be celebrating again next month as Egypt are favourites at home to win the Cup of Nations. I think Kodjia is in the Ivory Coast squad.
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Post by: purpletrousers on June 15, 2019, 02:49:43 PM
Yep Kodj is in, they are our only two

https://www.africanews.com/2019/06/13/here-are-the-final-africa-cup-of-nations-squads/
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2019, 07:58:04 PM
Captained and scored the winner for Egypt the other day. He could be celebrating again next month as Egypt are favourites at home to win the Cup of Nations. I think Kodjia is in the Ivory Coast squad.

Good to see he's back in favour. I watched all three of Egypt's matches at WC and didn't even realise he was in their squad until someone mentioned it on here after the tournament!

Think Senegal will win ACON but Egypt have had a great record in last 15 years in the competition.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 15, 2019, 08:05:55 PM
Egypt have a bizarrely great record in that competition considering they never do anything at World Cups, they usually don't even qualify.
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Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2019, 08:12:55 PM
Egypt have a bizarrely great record in that competition considering they never do anything at World Cups, they usually don't even qualify.

They've got a Pharaoh chace this time.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2019, 08:23:00 PM
Youíre talking out of your Sphinxter Lee
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Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2019, 11:07:28 PM
Youíre talking out of your Sphinxter Lee

You're in de-Nile.
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Post by: OzVilla on June 15, 2019, 11:58:45 PM
Youíre talking out of your Sphinxter Lee

You're in de-Nile.

You have the Luxor-ry of hindsight though.
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Post by: Pete3206 on June 16, 2019, 12:11:29 AM
Tut tut to the punathon, but you have to admit that Egypt are quite low down on the football pyramid. Still, Elmo's a bit of a Giza, so good luck to him.

 
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Post by: purpletrousers on June 16, 2019, 01:26:10 AM
Yep Kodj is in, they are our only two

https://www.africanews.com/2019/06/13/here-are-the-final-africa-cup-of-nations-squads/

Need an Afcon thread really, but fairly remarkably my 2nd nation Uganda beat I Coast 1-0 with a pen in a warm up friendly, Kodj booked in stoppage time, they even brought on Zaha & Bony in 77th min and still lost.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 16, 2019, 01:27:23 AM
The best team in Uganda are called Villa. Great bunch of lads.
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Post by: purpletrousers on June 16, 2019, 01:45:33 AM
The best team in Uganda are called Villa. Great bunch of lads.

Iíve been to see them play, have a couple of shirts. Took a villa penant to their Villa Park (training ground) basically a bit of land by a railway track in Kampala.
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Post by: Damo70 on June 16, 2019, 01:42:57 PM
The best team in Uganda are called Villa. Great bunch of lads.

Iíve been to see them play, have a couple of shirts. Took a villa penant to their Villa Park (training ground) basically a bit of land by a railway track in Kampala.


Bit of land by a railway track? Sounds like The Sty.
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Post by: adrenachrome on June 26, 2019, 10:22:10 PM
"Take a bow, Elmo"

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1143991480392060928
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Post by: olaftab on June 26, 2019, 10:24:40 PM
Great goal. We should not be worried about lack of forwards.
Anyway I presume due to still actively playing this late in the season he will not be ready to start the season with us?
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Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2019, 10:31:59 PM
Nice finish Elmo.
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Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2019, 10:34:27 PM
Some touch from one foot to another in a crowded box and a corker of a finish
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2019, 10:35:16 PM
Bolasie looks exactly the player he was for us. Flashes of brilliance, outstanding crosses, and then long periods of forgetting heís a footballer.
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Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2019, 10:54:40 PM
GO ELMO! Another goal for Egypt against Uganda tonight. 2-0 win.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 01, 2019, 07:07:55 PM
I like Elmo, and think he will do OK this season. Certainly deserves a go anyway.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: jwarry on July 01, 2019, 07:47:37 PM
I like Elmo, and think he will do OK this season. Certainly deserves a go anyway.

Agree and good thing is itís not Elmo or Hutton, as Freddie can come in for those games where you know heís going to struggle
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2019, 08:02:32 PM
He could yet be the Golden Boot winner at the AFCON so we could cash-in and sell him as an auxiliary striker to ManUre or some other dumb cnuts with more money than nous.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: kieron on August 22, 2019, 11:31:31 AM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1164484995421020160

"We are delighted to announce that @Elmo_27 has signed a one-year contract extension with the club. ✍️

Details 👉 http://bit.ly/2MvptSI

#PL #AVFC https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1164484995421020160/photo/1"
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: chrisw1 on August 22, 2019, 11:56:15 AM
This has to be good news.  He's been a decent servant to us and if DS rates him highly enough to tie him down then that's fine by me.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Gerrin on August 22, 2019, 12:06:13 PM
So was he at the very end of his existing contract? Strange they've left it so late if so.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 22, 2019, 12:09:09 PM
Solid if extremely unspectacular player. No issues with an extension, though I'd be worried if he started many games for us this season (and following, obviously).
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Flin5tone on August 22, 2019, 12:23:53 PM
Great News!

Deserves the deal. After the rumours of Bruce wanting him which I believe an approach was made, DS and the club obviously feel the deal is necessary!
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Post by: Damo70 on August 22, 2019, 12:49:29 PM
He impressed me with his performances in the African Nations Cup in the summer. He worked hard defensively and also attacked well.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 22, 2019, 01:02:44 PM
Fair play - good team man who rarely lets us down

Although whether he should remain as 1st choice is debatable
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: olaftab on August 23, 2019, 12:02:21 AM
Ahmed ElMohammedy is a credit to this club so a very deserved extension to his contract.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Clampy on August 23, 2019, 06:56:54 AM
I know a few people called out the signing at the time but he's been a decent solid player for what we paid. Happy to still have him around.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 23, 2019, 07:16:46 AM
I broke off to read War and Peace.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Axl Rose on August 23, 2019, 07:34:27 AM
I broke off to read War and Peace.

:D
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: KRS on August 23, 2019, 05:29:38 PM
@ Vill I An / footyskillz - I want to read your posts but they are too long. Please condense or make your posts shorter as some of us donít have the attention span, time or simply canít be arsed to read such long posts.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 29, 2020, 08:28:28 PM
I must admit I wasn't exactly excited by his arrival last night, but fk me, what a ball! He's been an instrumental part in getting us to Wembley for three years on the trot. Take a bow, our very own Mr. Dependable.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Clampy on January 30, 2020, 06:50:59 AM
I must admit I wasn't exactly excited by his arrival last night, but fk me, what a ball! He's been an instrumental part in getting us to Wembley for three years on the trot. Take a bow, our very own Mr. Dependable.

I'm glad you've brought this up because I was going to. The reaction to his arrival was mixed but he's been a good signing for what we paid for him and sometimes deserves a bit more credit than he gets.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: frank black on January 30, 2020, 07:09:56 AM
I must admit I wasn't exactly excited by his arrival last night, but fk me, what a ball! He's been an instrumental part in getting us to Wembley for three years on the trot. Take a bow, our very own Mr. Dependable.

I'm glad you've brought this up because I was going to. The reaction to his arrival was mixed but he's been a good signing for what we paid for him and sometimes deserves a bit more credit than he gets.

Always had a good cross on him. Usually better than the wingers weíve signed.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Diablo on January 30, 2020, 08:41:41 AM
Interesting stats Vil I An - cheers!
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: baddowvillans on January 30, 2020, 09:12:20 AM
If Kevin de Bruyne had played that pass Sky would have been pleasuring themselves still over it but as it was just little Aston Villa it was just a good cross
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: robleflaneur on January 30, 2020, 09:31:29 AM
Is he out of contract in the summer ?If so,it would be worth offering him a 2 year extension.He's 32.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 30, 2020, 10:26:21 AM
He may have his limitations but for what we paid for him and what he's done in his time with us he's been a very good player. Always gives his best which is as much as you can ask.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Luke8 on January 30, 2020, 11:30:21 AM
Is he out of contract in the summer ?If so,it would be worth offering him a 2 year extension.He's 32.

Signed a one year extension in the summer that takes him through to 2021.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Risso on January 30, 2020, 11:40:25 AM
I think he's another player whose game is suited having the three central defenders.  His defending in a flat back 4 is the weakest part of his game, so the extra defender lets him do what's he's better at.  He's not as good as Guilbert, but a perfectly decent replacement for where we are at the moment.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 30, 2020, 12:00:21 PM
He's like all of our other full backs, better as wing backs and that's why this formation works well.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: DrGonzo on January 30, 2020, 01:23:36 PM
I think Guillebert is better as a defender....
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 30, 2020, 01:51:44 PM
@ Vill I An / footyskillz - I want to read your posts but they are too long. Please condense or make your posts shorter as some of us donít have the attention span, time or simply canít be arsed to read such long posts.
yeah definitely good stats mate, but I agree with KRS, can you make them a bit shorter please?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: darren woolley on January 30, 2020, 03:55:55 PM
That ball for Trez's goal was simply world class if Messi or Ronaldo played a pass like that the Sky people would be creaming there pants.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2020, 10:09:43 PM
Itís better as well because itís no fluke, heís just delivered a perfect cross in a crucial moment of a massive game for us, like in the play off final.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 29, 2020, 11:02:05 AM
"My best times have been with Villa" Elmohamady reflects on ten years in England

What makes Aston Villa special?
Aston Villa is one of the greatest clubs here in England and worldwide. The fans and atmosphere in Villa Park is awesome. I am pleased to be here and Iíve spent the best times of my ten years in England with Villa.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/03/26/ahmed-elmohamady-ten-years

For the full interview.

Well played Elmo
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 29, 2020, 11:04:16 AM
Thanks, Elmo - but he's hardly going to say otherwise to the official site.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: eamonn on March 29, 2020, 11:05:09 AM
During the Cup final I didn't like the way he kept swearing at the ref and trying to win free kicks by overreacting to challenges and fouling quite a bit, himself. It was a bit Blose...
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 24, 2020, 10:15:59 PM
Well played Elmo always performs when Bruce is by touchline !

Guilbert wouldn't have had that gumption and he's excelling far more than Trezeguet as the best Egyptian at the club!

Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: PeterWithe on June 24, 2020, 10:17:16 PM
In the Kingdom of the Blind.....
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Steve67 on June 24, 2020, 10:19:37 PM
Another quality Championship player. We have way too many of them.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: brontebilly on June 24, 2020, 10:27:27 PM
Another quality Championship player. We have way too many of them.

A great pro though. An unpopular signing at the time (we already had a car full of right backs) but one of Bruce's better ones.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 24, 2020, 11:48:01 PM
Another quality Championship player. We have way too many of them.

A great pro though. An unpopular signing at the time (we already had a car full of right backs) but one of Bruce's better ones.

Yep. I didn't want him at the time but he's more than proved his worth here. Seems a no brainer to me to give him another 12 months if we go down as he seems settled here.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Richard E on June 25, 2020, 08:05:07 PM
Iíd be starting him. At this stage I think he has that bit of Premier League experience/nous we need.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Drummond on June 26, 2020, 11:14:42 AM
Iíd be starting him. At this stage I think he has that bit of Premier League experience/nous we need.

And he can cross.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: CT on July 12, 2020, 05:52:23 PM
Absolutely MUST play on Thursday.

Our shape looks so much better when heís in and, for me, he offers much more quality going forward than Konsa. Itís far more natural for him playing in his standard position.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2020, 05:55:07 PM
Rarely lets us down when he plays. Don't really understand why he hasn't been in since restart tbh.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2020, 05:56:46 PM
Rarely lets us down when he plays. Don't really understand why he hasn't been in since restart tbh.

Agreed. Guilbert I get. He was injured. But from Newcastle on after he scored he should have been starting. Itís not hard to see we have so much more balance with a proper RB/RWB than a CB playing out of position.
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Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 12, 2020, 05:59:00 PM
We looked much better with him in the side , a right back at right back
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: frank black on July 12, 2020, 06:01:40 PM
Iím a bit like Steve Bruce on Elmo, heíd get in most games.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2020, 06:32:28 PM
Love Elmo, as said above never lets us down when heís called upon. Things flow properly on that side when he plays and he guarantees a few great crosses a game.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2020, 06:46:16 PM
For how little he cost us he's been a great signing.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2020, 06:48:59 PM
I'd give him another 12 months regardless of what happens. We'll certainly need him in the championship with the extra games anyway.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: brontebilly on July 12, 2020, 11:22:36 PM
A warrior for us.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2020, 11:28:36 PM
I'd give him another 12 months regardless of what happens. We'll certainly need him in the championship with the extra games anyway.

I agree, he knows that league and will be useful to us.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Des Little on July 12, 2020, 11:29:38 PM
Has to stay in the team. Likewise Hourihane.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Villa Lew on July 13, 2020, 04:41:08 PM
Agree with everything that has been said about Elmo, top bloke rarely lets us down, true professional never hear him moaning, when he's not in the side. Just looked him up on Wiki, didn't know he's got 91 caps for Egypt, that is very impressive, has to start on Thursday.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: themossman on July 13, 2020, 10:38:10 PM
Becoming my favourite player. No fuss, just does the business. How old is he anyway?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2020, 10:45:11 PM
Becoming my favourite player. No fuss, just does the business. How old is he anyway?

33 in a couple of months
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Des Little on July 13, 2020, 10:52:29 PM
Must start for me at Everton, the bloke has been a brilliant signing for us and deserves more than he gets in terms of starts. Quite how Smith sees Hause as a better option at RB baffles me.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Ian. on July 13, 2020, 10:54:40 PM
Heís ace and if it ainít Freddy in that role it should be him.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: themossman on July 13, 2020, 10:58:07 PM
Seems like a no brainier doesnít it, full back for a full back, rather than shuffling people out of position.

Thanks PWS, I thought he was a bit older, about 33 when we came up. Should definitely have played more games
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Post by: algy on July 13, 2020, 11:10:33 PM
I'd happily have him about for another season, regardless of division. Think he's quite an underrated player, was a bit of a fan even back when he was at Sunderland.
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Post by: eamonn on July 13, 2020, 11:46:09 PM
Does tend to fade though so I'd have Konsa/Guilbert ready to come on for the last "quarter" after the drinks break/word from our sponsors.
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Post by: paul_e on July 14, 2020, 10:11:39 AM
Does tend to fade though so I'd have Konsa/Guilbert ready to come on for the last "quarter" after the drinks break/word from our sponsors.

Yep, like Hutton he struggles to get back into position after a break up field in the 2nd half, McGinn, Trez and AEG covered in behind him a few times. I'm also not convinced he can last even 70mins in back-to-back games with less than 6-7 days between them. He's a good crosser and definitely offers us something but he looks, on this season, like a guy who's a year or so from retiring.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2020, 07:21:37 PM
Elmo or Guilbert absolutely have to play right back.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Clampy on July 14, 2020, 07:25:20 PM
I honestly can't think of too many times where he has struggled defensively.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: London Villan on July 14, 2020, 08:11:42 PM
Leeds at home when that kid ripped him to pieces.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on July 14, 2020, 09:01:17 PM
Leeds at home when that kid ripped him to pieces.

Yeah absolute nightmare that night, but fair play, when he got back into the team he was back to his reliable self
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Post by: London Villan on July 14, 2020, 09:05:21 PM
Id have him in the team though. Reliable, can cross and a bit of experience.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 14, 2020, 11:27:22 PM
It Hause is fit what are the odds he puts Konsa back at RB?
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Post by: ChicagoLion on July 15, 2020, 05:42:38 AM
Usually a reliable 6 /7 out Of 10 performances.
When you consider that we have so many 3 to 8 and the below 5 being more frequent, a good shout to play out the season. Konsa was good against Palace at CB.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: brontebilly on July 16, 2020, 12:24:29 AM
It Hause is fit what are the odds he puts Konsa back at RB?

That would be insanity, so very likely then

Hause, in fairness to him, has been our best defender by a long way since the restart. But playing a guy that can't kick a ball with his right foot at RCB doesn't help our ball retention stats.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: chrisw1 on July 16, 2020, 10:06:59 AM
Elmo or Guilbert absolutely have to play right back.
I like Guilbert but he hasn't played a game for 4 months and chucking him in now would be a massive gamble. 
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Flin5tone on September 16, 2020, 12:52:32 AM
Elmo was fantastic tonight and deserves a new Deal, excellent Team member
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2020, 02:02:56 AM
I thought his crossing was the poorest itís been in a long time.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: dave17 on September 16, 2020, 04:21:40 AM
I like all our right backs...the left backs however
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 28, 2021, 07:11:57 AM
A professional job by Elmo vs dirty leeds. I think he was only done for pace once throughout the whole game. He certainly played his part in yet another clean sheet. Loved the way Trez (whilst warming up as a sub) and Elmo were constantly chatting 2nd half. It was almost as though we were playing with 2 rbs.
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Post by: Goldenballs on February 28, 2021, 07:50:15 AM
I had £10 on him to be booked at 11/2, I didn't expect it to be for time wasting though.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: LeeB on February 28, 2021, 08:55:38 AM
Pound for pound one of the best signings the club have made this century. Heís limited and getting on now, but he rarely lets us down when called upon and heís very Ďprofessionalí on the pitch, he knows exactly when to waste time or pull a shirt or two.

I love him.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 28, 2021, 10:21:09 AM
Pound for pound one of the best signings the club have made this century. Heís limited and getting on now, but he rarely lets us down when called upon and heís very Ďprofessionalí on the pitch, he knows exactly when to waste time or pull a shirt or two.

Agree with this, a solid 'pro' for us.
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Post by: JuanMartinez on February 28, 2021, 10:35:27 AM
It appears Elmo is extremely popular within the squad / staff also, massive in morale.
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Post by: eamonn on February 28, 2021, 10:39:29 AM
He's a bit of a shithouse but he's ours so...
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Post by: Richard on February 28, 2021, 10:57:25 AM
Yeah you can file Elmo alongside Conor as a good guy who does a job and will always be welcome back to Villa Park after he leaves
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Post by: dave shelley on February 28, 2021, 10:59:34 AM
Without knowing him I have the impression Elmo loves the Villa and what it stands for.  A solid pro.
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Post by: darren woolley on February 28, 2021, 11:18:35 AM
He never lets us down very professional.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 28, 2021, 11:22:13 AM
He never lets us down very professional.

Exactly !
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: OCD on February 28, 2021, 12:43:03 PM
On the pre-match thread, there were a few comments about how Raphinha would destroy him. I thought that was a bit harsh. Often seasoned pro's like him understand the game so well that they're hard to get the best of.
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Post by: Risso on February 28, 2021, 03:06:47 PM
On the pre-match thread, there were a few comments about how Raphinha would destroy him. I thought that was a bit harsh. Often seasoned pro's like him understand the game so well that they're hard to get the best of.

He did well, but then he was really poor against Barnes last week, so I think the comments weren't unreasonable to be honest.
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Post by: brontebilly on February 28, 2021, 03:15:53 PM
On the pre-match thread, there were a few comments about how Raphinha would destroy him. I thought that was a bit harsh. Often seasoned pro's like him understand the game so well that they're hard to get the best of.

Early on it certainly appeared like Elmo was in for a long night. Went asleep in the first minute and nearly cost us. The longer the half went on he settled (credit also to McGinn in particular who helped him out). Second half he was very solid, good in the air too. Cleared a couple of set pieces.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Flin5tone on February 28, 2021, 05:45:59 PM
Fantastic attitude,lovely solid player. A true Role model to the youth unlike BERKLey
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 28, 2021, 05:48:01 PM
I thought you'd resigned.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Flin5tone on February 28, 2021, 05:52:25 PM
I thought you'd resigned.

It was a open-ended resignation
I'd ask you to refer to my Statement but it was removed.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 28, 2021, 05:53:04 PM
Righto.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: OCD on February 28, 2021, 06:38:08 PM
On the pre-match thread, there were a few comments about how Raphinha would destroy him. I thought that was a bit harsh. Often seasoned pro's like him understand the game so well that they're hard to get the best of.

He did well, but then he was really poor against Barnes last week, so I think the comments weren't unreasonable to be honest.

The whole side was poor last week, especially in the first half.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on February 28, 2021, 07:14:05 PM
Fantastic attitude,lovely solid player. A true Role model to the youth unlike BERKLey

Ha. BERKley! You've taken his name but subtly changed the spelling so as to imply that he is a berk. Tremendous.

BERKley!

Will be chuckling at that for a good while.
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 28, 2021, 07:18:12 PM
Berkley is a bit Primary school playground humour isn't it??
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on February 28, 2021, 07:31:31 PM
It's up there with sickbeggar's "Keir" zinger.
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Post by: algy on March 01, 2021, 08:55:37 AM
We are truly in the presence of some of the great comic minds of our generation.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on March 01, 2021, 10:40:41 AM
Berkley is a bit Primary school playground humour isn't it??
yeh, all the big kids call him Dross, :)
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Post by: Concrete Tom on March 04, 2021, 10:36:28 AM
I have a lot of time for Elmo, but he had absolutely no idea where McGoldrick was to concede that goal last night.
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Post by: aj2k77 on March 04, 2021, 10:43:00 AM
What a bargain for a million quid he's been though. He's finished now but pound for pound a great signing.
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Post by: Risso on March 04, 2021, 10:44:46 AM
What a bargain for a million quid he's been though. He's finished now but pound for pound a great signing.

He's been great and provided superb value for money, but he shouldn't be in our squad, let alone the first team now.  The fact he is shows mistakes have been made and we've still got a lot of work to do.
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Post by: CT on March 04, 2021, 06:03:57 PM
Berkley is a bit Primary school playground humour isn't it??

I think the Primary school kids would be too grown up for his ďhumourĒ.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 04, 2021, 06:29:32 PM
Should have been finished and pensioned off when we got back into the premiership.  A good servant though
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Post by: London Villan on March 04, 2021, 06:57:03 PM
Gilbert was bought to replace him, but clearly that didnt work out.
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Post by: eamonn on March 04, 2021, 11:14:28 PM
Well he'll be playing on Saturday again up against Wolves best player lately, Neto.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 04, 2021, 11:26:01 PM
Should have been finished and pensioned off when we got back into the premiership.  A good servant though

Dave to the thread, please.

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Post by: olaftab on March 04, 2021, 11:44:48 PM
Gilbert was bought to replace him, but clearly that didnt work out.
Oh why, oh why, oh why?
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Post by: maidstonevillain on March 05, 2021, 08:48:16 AM
Gilbert was bought to replace him, but clearly that didnt work out.
Oh why, oh why, oh why?

Guilbert this week.

Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Duncan Shaw on March 05, 2021, 08:49:34 AM
Gilbert was bought to replace him, but clearly that didnt work out.
Oh why, oh why, oh why?

Guilbert this week.


Things we don't need to see!!
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - SIGNED
Post by: Drummond on March 05, 2021, 09:54:09 AM
It would have helped Elmo to have a shout from someone on Wednesday. And it also would have helped if McGinn had tracked McGoldrick's run.
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Post by: Luke8 on March 05, 2021, 10:24:24 AM
On Elmo/Guilbert, Cash is clearly an upgrade on both and once you are then looking at moving one one, Iíd imagine that there was much more of a market for Guilbert than Elmo. It wonít purely have come down to that obviously, but it may well have been a factor.

Guilbert does seem to have started well at Strasbourg (two clean sheets, two assists and a goal in five games) so I guess itís possible that we keep him next season.
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Post by: Risso on March 05, 2021, 10:41:16 AM
On Elmo/Guilbert, Cash is clearly an upgrade on both and once you are then looking at moving one one, Iíd imagine that there was much more of a market for Guilbert than Elmo. It wonít purely have come down to that obviously, but it may well have been a factor.

Guilbert does seem to have started well at Strasbourg (two clean sheets, two assists and a goal in five games) so I guess itís possible that we keep him next season.

That doesn't strike me as the best way to improve a club and strive for the top 6. Sell a promising young player and leave yourself with only a 33 year old journeyman as cover. 

Whatever the reason, it's proved to be a very bad decision.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 05, 2021, 11:01:07 AM
Some decisions are unfathomable from the outside so presumably thereís a reason inside that we will never be made aware that makes sense because as you say it looks on the face of it like a baffling one that has cost us in two out of the three games Elmo has played in.
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Post by: Mister E on March 05, 2021, 11:05:14 AM
Maybe Kesler should get his baptism of fire on Saturday. But he won't.
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Post by: olaftab on March 05, 2021, 11:12:52 AM
Gilbert was bought to replace him, but clearly that didnt work out.
Oh why, oh why, oh why?

Guilbert this week.


Oh Claire.....
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Post by: paul_e on March 05, 2021, 11:15:40 AM
Maybe Kesler should get his baptism of fire on Saturday. But he won't.

Fingers crossed, the mistakes from Elmo, particularly the most recent just aren't good enough. People have moaned about Mings making too many mistakes but he's done nothing on a par with that. For me it's the worst goal we've conceded all season because it should've been easy to deal with.
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Post by: Risso on March 05, 2021, 11:20:43 AM
Mings has cut the mistakes out pretty much completely lately.
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Post by: dave shelley on March 05, 2021, 12:45:49 PM
Mings has cut the mistakes out pretty much completely lately.

Shhh!
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Post by: SoccerHQ on March 05, 2021, 12:58:11 PM
Been a fantastic servant for us. Pound for pound with Hourihane comfortably one of our best signings in last decade (especially when you look at what else we signed in 2017).

Right time to let him go in the summer though and think we'll sell Gulibert back to French team for 3-4m.

Would assume we'll sign another RB, I like the look of Connor Roberts at Swansea. Mid 20s, regular Welsh international and everytime I see their highlights he's setting up or scoring for them so has similar profile to Matty Cash last summer.

If they don't go up I reckon 10m + Conor and there's a deal there.

Kesler is interesting prospect but he's played very little for us and still very young so think loan move next season is best option for him.
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Post by: Drummond on March 05, 2021, 03:16:21 PM
Elmo is out of contract in the summer, that'll be why we kept him on. He's a pretty good reserve RB and Guilbert wanted game time, nobody would have expected Cash to get injured and therefore be out as long as he has been so a loan deal was good. I expect Guilbert to be back in the summer and he and Cash can fight it out.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2021, 03:33:49 PM
On Elmo/Guilbert, Cash is clearly an upgrade on both and once you are then looking at moving one one, Iíd imagine that there was much more of a market for Guilbert than Elmo. It wonít purely have come down to that obviously, but it may well have been a factor.

Guilbert does seem to have started well at Strasbourg (two clean sheets, two assists and a goal in five games) so I guess itís possible that we keep him next season.

That doesn't strike me as the best way to improve a club and strive for the top 6. Sell a promising young player and leave yourself with only a 33 year old journeyman as cover. 

Whatever the reason, it's proved to be a very bad decision.

But it's a bit of sods law too. What were the odds that a player in that specific position who has been the emodiment of fitness would get hurt immediately after the best true replacement (Elmo is just more versatile) would get hurt. What if we let Taylor go instead and Targett got hurt? Or Engels and Konsa went down. It's shit that it happened but there is no suggestion that Guilbert is getting sold. In fact I expect him next season to compete with Cash for that spot with Elmo being released,
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Post by: ChicagoLion on March 05, 2021, 05:16:14 PM
why release a young RB and hold onto an old one? surely it should be the other way round.
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Post by: Drummond on March 05, 2021, 05:38:54 PM
why release a young RB and hold onto an old one? surely it should be the other way round.

Because they were 2nd and 3rd choice so not likely to be picked, the younger one needed more game time that he was unlikely to get much of, and the older one probably wasn't likely to get many suitors. So I'd guess the plan was to save some salary in the meantime, get the younger player more experience and thus be in a better position when he comes back.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on March 05, 2021, 06:16:06 PM
why release a young RB and hold onto an old one? surely it should be the other way round.

Because they were 2nd and 3rd choice so not likely to be picked, the younger one needed more game time that he was unlikely to get much of, and the older one probably wasn't likely to get many suitors. So I'd guess the plan was to save some salary in the meantime, get the younger player more experience and thus be in a better position when he comes back.

Which is the correct answer, IMO
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2021, 06:20:08 PM
why release a young RB and hold onto an old one? surely it should be the other way round.

Because they were 2nd and 3rd choice so not likely to be picked, the younger one needed more game time that he was unlikely to get much of, and the older one probably wasn't likely to get many suitors. So I'd guess the plan was to save some salary in the meantime, get the younger player more experience and thus be in a better position when he comes back.

Also Elmo can fill in at CB or RM whereas Freddie was probably seen as more one dimensional. But he needs more playing time is as good a reason as any as to why he was loaned out and not sold vs Elmo.
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Post by: Risso on March 05, 2021, 07:48:41 PM
why release a young RB and hold onto an old one? surely it should be the other way round.

Because they were 2nd and 3rd choice so not likely to be picked, the younger one needed more game time that he was unlikely to get much of, and the older one probably wasn't likely to get many suitors. So I'd guess the plan was to save some salary in the meantime, get the younger player more experience and thus be in a better position when he comes back.

The younger one was only likely to not get much game time as Smith stuck rigidly to the same starting 11, with his subs usually consisting of bringing on Traore/Trez/El Ghazi depending on who wasn't playing. He's going to have to get much better at squad building and management. It was always likely that one of our really weak areas (right back, left back or main striker) would come back to bite us on the arse, and so far we're lucky it's just one of them. Elmo has cost us two defeats in three games though, so it's already an expensive mistake.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2021, 07:52:15 PM
A mistake in hindsight. Nobody really thought this was a huge issue at the time.

Two things will always be undefeated: Hindsight and Father Time
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Post by: LukeJames on March 05, 2021, 08:07:43 PM
A mistake in hindsight. Nobody really thought this was a huge issue at the time.

Shit loads of people on here called it out as a mistake.
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Post by: Risso on March 05, 2021, 08:16:14 PM
A mistake in hindsight. Nobody really thought this was a huge issue at the time.

Two things will always be undefeated: Hindsight and Father Time

Lots of people said so at the time, no hindsight required. It was obviously a terrible piece of business, just as many people said signing Danny Drinkwater would be.
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Post by: LeeB on March 05, 2021, 09:02:12 PM
Terrible business is stretching it a bit, Elmo has hardly been a disaster and it's debatable that Guilbert would have done any better coming in from the cold.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2021, 09:04:28 PM
A mistake in hindsight. Nobody really thought this was a huge issue at the time.

Shit loads of people on here called it out as a mistake.

Were they? I donít recall it being shitloads at all. I accept that it might have been questioned. It donít recall people thinking it was some colossal mistake that a player who hadnít featured at all throughout the season was loaned out given we had a very fit first choice player and an adequate back up.

Edit: and looking back at the Guilbert thread literally nobody said it was a huge mistake. Most people just wished him luck, hoped that he had played more but would come back to compete. Itís just shit luck that Cash missed a couple of games right after.
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Post by: Drummond on March 05, 2021, 09:35:52 PM
Cash didn't need rotating, he's done a good job and it's right he kept his place. It's a freak injury and bad timing.

Letting Guilbert go made sense.
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Post by: Risso on March 05, 2021, 09:42:45 PM
Cash didn't need rotating, he's done a good job and it's right he kept his place. It's a freak injury and bad timing.

Letting Guilbert go made sense.

It really didn't. We can't have a first eleven and then replacements like Elmo, Davis and Taylor if we want to be serious top 6 contenders. If we hadn't signed Guilbert and we were linked with him now, we'd all be pleased we were getting a good upgrade on Elmo.

In any case, I don't think his transfer had anything to do with good business, it was clearly something personal between him and Smith.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on March 05, 2021, 11:03:59 PM
Cash didn't need rotating, he's done a good job and it's right he kept his place. It's a freak injury and bad timing.

Letting Guilbert go made sense.

It really didn't. We can't have a first eleven and then replacements like Elmo, Davis and Taylor if we want to be serious top 6 contenders. If we hadn't signed Guilbert and we were linked with him now, we'd all be pleased we were getting a good upgrade on Elmo.

In any case, I don't think his transfer had anything to do with good business, it was clearly something personal between him and Smith.

Elmo made a mistake, probably because he hadnít played very often, Freddy, if he had played, could of done the same. Elmo has been an excellent servant to our club, just like all the other players, he isnít perfect but he never hides. Itís probably his last season so he should be first sub because heís unlikely to come on, whereas Freddy needed game time. I think itís out of order blaming Elmo for ďlosingĒ points.
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Post by: Luke8 on March 05, 2021, 11:17:14 PM
I think you have to be realistic about what you can expect from a back up player. Itís someone who is, with the exception of teams in Europe, likely to only play 5-8 game a season at the most and be happy to do so. And theyíve got to be able to just drop into the team with a good performance as and when required which isnít easy.

Throw in the fact that we have only had four transfer windows in the Premier League and came up basically without a squad, it donít think itís horrendous that Elmo is currently our back up right back.

To be honest, Iím not sure there are many great back up full backs in the league, other than at a few of the clubs in Europe.

I personally prefer Guilbert to Elmo, but I donít really think there is a huge different between them. I also expect that itís fairly likely neither will be here next season anyway.
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Post by: Risso on March 06, 2021, 12:10:08 AM
Elmo has been the main factor in two losses in the three games he's started since Cash has been out. How much worse could it be?
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Post by: West Derby Villan on March 06, 2021, 01:24:59 AM
Elmo has been the main factor in two losses in the three games he's started since Cash has been out. How much worse could it be?

A factor, but not the only reason. Surely, as itís a team game, the midfield and forwards could have created / scored opportunities/goals which would of altered the results in our favour. Realistically, one player cannot be responsible for us not getting the result we wanted.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 06, 2021, 07:05:15 AM
Elmo has been the main factor in two losses in the three games he's started since Cash has been out. How much worse could it be?

I'm not a fan of laying blame at an individual's feet, but I can't help feeling that if Cash played, we don't concede three goals that we did.

But I don't disagree with the club's thinking on Guilbert. Yeah, ideally we'd have two fairly equally talented players on the payroll competing for every shirt and still be able to develop our youths, but we're only now emerging from a full decade of shit and we're not yet able to offer enough football for that to be desirable to players and club. I really do think it's just Sod's Law that a player that looked like he could run forever then picks up an injury whilst trying to step over a not particularly high blade of grass the minute his perennial understudy walks out the door.
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Post by: Risso on March 06, 2021, 09:08:19 AM
Elmo has been the main factor in two losses in the three games he's started since Cash has been out. How much worse could it be?

I'm not a fan of laying blame at an individual's feet, but I can't help feeling that if Cash played, we don't concede three goals that we did.

But I don't disagree with the club's thinking on Guilbert. Yeah, ideally we'd have two fairly equally talented players on the payroll competing for every shirt and still be able to develop our youths, but we're only now emerging from a full decade of shit and we're not yet able to offer enough football for that to be desirable to players and club. I really do think it's just Sod's Law that a player that looked like he could run forever then picks up an injury whilst trying to step over a not particularly high blade of grass the minute his perennial understudy walks out the door.

Surely you've got to start somewhere though, and having a decent young player as back up is what we should aspire to in every position. Should we not try to get an upgrade on Taylor for instance this summer?
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Post by: algy on March 06, 2021, 09:21:46 AM
I think you have to be realistic about what you can expect from a back up player. Itís someone who is, with the exception of teams in Europe, likely to only play 5-8 game a season at the most and be happy to do so. And theyíve got to be able to just drop into the team with a good performance as and when required which isnít easy.

Throw in the fact that we have only had four transfer windows in the Premier League and came up basically without a squad, it donít think itís horrendous that Elmo is currently our back up right back.

To be honest, Iím not sure there are many great back up full backs in the league, other than at a few of the clubs in Europe.

I personally prefer Guilbert to Elmo, but I donít really think there is a huge different between them. I also expect that itís fairly likely neither will be here next season anyway.
This is exactly my thoughts. The only thing I'd add is that we'll get more money for Freddie now, given his form in the French league, than we would with him sitting about on out bench (which looked like the alternative at the time). Elmo's off on a free regardless. From a purely financial point of view we've done the right thing in my book. We need to start moving on our backup players so we can replace them with higher calibre players.
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Post by: Risso on March 06, 2021, 11:45:55 AM
I think you have to be realistic about what you can expect from a back up player. Itís someone who is, with the exception of teams in Europe, likely to only play 5-8 game a season at the most and be happy to do so. And theyíve got to be able to just drop into the team with a good performance as and when required which isnít easy.

Throw in the fact that we have only had four transfer windows in the Premier League and came up basically without a squad, it donít think itís horrendous that Elmo is currently our back up right back.

To be honest, Iím not sure there are many great back up full backs in the league, other than at a few of the clubs in Europe.

I personally prefer Guilbert to Elmo, but I donít really think there is a huge different between them. I also expect that itís fairly likely neither will be here next season anyway.
This is exactly my thoughts. The only thing I'd add is that we'll get more money for Freddie now, given his form in the French league, than we would with him sitting about on out bench (which looked like the alternative at the time). Elmo's off on a free regardless. From a purely financial point of view we've done the right thing in my book. We need to start moving on our backup players so we can replace them with higher calibre players.

So sell a back up player to buy another back up player?
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Post by: Ian. on March 06, 2021, 11:54:48 AM
I would say this is probably the hardest part of the step up from a mid-table to top six team. Having a happy balance of players in a squad, rotating them at times, but keeping them all on their toes and fighting for a place.
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Post by: brontebilly on March 06, 2021, 12:03:34 PM
I would say this is probably the hardest part of the step up from a mid-table to top six team. Having a happy balance of players in a squad, rotating them at times, but keeping them all on their toes and fighting for a place.

Smith didn't even try though. More worrying he publicly scoffed at the idea of players suffering from fatigue only a few weeks back. If he had kept giving the likes of Hourihane and Guilbert minutes earlier in the season, we would be better served now. It might be a surprise poor result or two along the way but over a 38 game season it would balance out. A number of us were fearful of a MON style collapse around March from early in the season when Deano was refusing to even bring subs on.

Anyway, let's see how today goes but Elmo will certainly be targeted again.
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Post by: eamonn on March 06, 2021, 12:08:30 PM
A mistake in hindsight. Nobody really thought this was a huge issue at the time.

Two things will always be undefeated: Hindsight and Father Time

The Taxman probably deserves a shout-out here too, the bastid.
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Post by: Luke8 on March 06, 2021, 01:02:35 PM
I would say this is probably the hardest part of the step up from a mid-table to top six team. Having a happy balance of players in a squad, rotating them at times, but keeping them all on their toes and fighting for a place.

Smith didn't even try though. More worrying he publicly scoffed at the idea of players suffering from fatigue only a few weeks back. If he had kept giving the likes of Hourihane and Guilbert minutes earlier in the season, we would be better served now. It might be a surprise poor result or two along the way but over a 38 game season it would balance out. A number of us were fearful of a MON style collapse around March from early in the season when Deano was refusing to even bring subs on.

Anyway, let's see how today goes but Elmo will certainly be targeted again.

There is no way of telling if that would be the case though. It could have benefitted us or we could have lost more games playing players that, even though I like them, showed on numerous occasions last season that they probably arenít good enough.

Iím not really sure exactly what people expected at this stage. We came up with barely half a squad, so the first season was spent rebuilding that. Now we have recruited to the stage the we have a pretty strong first 11/12. The next step is obviously to improve the rest of the squad - so replacing Elmo, Taylor, Davis etc.
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 06, 2021, 01:23:54 PM
A mistake in hindsight. Nobody really thought this was a huge issue at the time.

Two things will always be undefeated: Hindsight and Father Time

I thought it was a huge mistake at the time, and said so.  Guilbert I am sure will prosper at a new club and will come to be seen as another player who we shouldn't have let go, notwithstanding how good Cash might prove to be.
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Post by: Ian. on March 06, 2021, 01:26:02 PM
I would say this is probably the hardest part of the step up from a mid-table to top six team. Having a happy balance of players in a squad, rotating them at times, but keeping them all on their toes and fighting for a place.

Smith didn't even try though. More worrying he publicly scoffed at the idea of players suffering from fatigue only a few weeks back. If he had kept giving the likes of Hourihane and Guilbert minutes earlier in the season, we would be better served now. It might be a surprise poor result or two along the way but over a 38 game season it would balance out. A number of us were fearful of a MON style collapse around March from early in the season when Deano was refusing to even bring subs on.

Anyway, let's see how today goes but Elmo will certainly be targeted again.

There is no way of telling if that would be the case though. It could have benefitted us or we could have lost more games playing players that, even though I like them, showed on numerous occasions last season that they probably arenít good enough.

Iím not really sure exactly what people expected at this stage. We came up with barely half a squad, so the first season was spent rebuilding that. Now we have recruited to the stage the we have a pretty strong first 11/12. The next step is obviously to improve the rest of the squad - so replacing Elmo, Taylor, Davis etc.
I agree Luke, weíre on the right road. The next step is maybe improving a couple or few first team places and adding a bit more quality in depth. Itís a massive improvement to last season. Iím still hoping for another upturn on form though, Iím sure it will happen. All the sides seem to be going though a similar season when it comes to form and consistency.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 06, 2021, 01:56:48 PM
To draw an analogy we as fans are so connected to every movement that itís literally like watching the hands of a clock move or watching your kids grow. It all seems so much slower than it actually is. However those not as connected, neutrals are rightly applauding us for the incredible progress we have made in such a short amount of time. And while it feels like taking a long time to get to this level and then to the next in reality, taking a step back we have done it very quickly. Itís quite amazing really.
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Post by: Risso on March 06, 2021, 02:04:11 PM
Iím not really sure exactly what people expected at this stage. We came up with barely half a squad, so the first season was spent rebuilding that. Now we have recruited to the stage the we have a pretty strong first 11/12. The next step is obviously to improve the rest of the squad - so replacing Elmo, Taylor, Davis etc.

Replacing Elmo with a good young player who possibly isn't quite as good as Cash, perhaps?
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 06, 2021, 02:15:52 PM
I'd prefer he was replaced by someone better than Cash.
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Post by: Risso on March 06, 2021, 02:16:44 PM
I'd prefer he was replaced by someone better than Cash.

Then going on the above, we'd have to get rid of Cash.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on March 06, 2021, 02:18:16 PM
Depending on how much playing time he wants, I can Elmo being given another year and the prospect of a coaching role.

There is risk with any option taken, though the prospect of further progress from Cash, a youngster being considered nearly ready and Elmo as a 'decent' back-up might not be the worst outcome.

Much as I like Guilbert attitude and demeanour, I don't see him overtaking Cash in the pecking order so - particularly if FFP is an issue - we could/should sell Guilbert, make a profit and look for upgrades elsewhere in the team. UTV
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Post by: LeeB on March 06, 2021, 02:19:34 PM
I'd prefer he was replaced by someone better than Cash.

Then going on the above, we'd have to get rid of Cash.

That would depend on if Cash was up for the challenge, or if we had interest from other teams, or a number of factors.

Maybe Guilbert was pushing for the move himself, and wasn't happy to wait for his chance?
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 06, 2021, 02:50:30 PM
I'd prefer he was replaced by someone better than Cash.

Then going on the above, we'd have to get rid of Cash.


I'd keep Cash. I don't think Cash is a bit better than Guilbert, I think he's miles better. Loads of them. If I was a doghead, I'd perhaps describe him as next #level, and the sort of player you need to be able to call on if you're hoping to be playing 60-70 first team games a season in pursuit of a quadruple. A Milner, if you will. I think the days of keeping a 'jobbing' backup in an outfield position hanging around for season after season are long gone with the demise of competitive reserve football.
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Post by: algy on March 06, 2021, 05:21:55 PM
I think you have to be realistic about what you can expect from a back up player. Itís someone who is, with the exception of teams in Europe, likely to only play 5-8 game a season at the most and be happy to do so. And theyíve got to be able to just drop into the team with a good performance as and when required which isnít easy.

Throw in the fact that we have only had four transfer windows in the Premier League and came up basically without a squad, it donít think itís horrendous that Elmo is currently our back up right back.

To be honest, Iím not sure there are many great back up full backs in the league, other than at a few of the clubs in Europe.

I personally prefer Guilbert to Elmo, but I donít really think there is a huge different between them. I also expect that itís fairly likely neither will be here next season anyway.
This is exactly my thoughts. The only thing I'd add is that we'll get more money for Freddie now, given his form in the French league, than we would with him sitting about on out bench (which looked like the alternative at the time). Elmo's off on a free regardless. From a purely financial point of view we've done the right thing in my book. We need to start moving on our backup players so we can replace them with higher calibre players.

So sell a back up player to buy another back up player?
Sell a backup player to buy either a first team player, or a younger player who we expect to be first choice in a couple of season's time. For me, those are the only types of signing worth making.
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Post by: Ads on March 06, 2021, 07:26:58 PM
So poor its untrue. Completely unbalanced the aide as he offers nothing going forwards, gives the ball away and also gives goals away cheaply.

The good news is Cashy was hoping over the seats so fingers crossed he's back next week.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on March 06, 2021, 07:31:01 PM
Thought he was fine although his crossing regressed.
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Post by: hipkiss92 on March 06, 2021, 07:32:37 PM
So poor its untrue. Completely unbalanced the aide as he offers nothing going forwards, gives the ball away and also gives goals away cheaply.

The good news is Cashy was hoping over the seats so fingers crossed he's back next week.

Everyone was doom and gloom for his battle against Traore pre match, and kept him quiet. As he did against Leeds, so maybe deserves some credit
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Post by: taylorsworkrate on March 06, 2021, 07:32:54 PM
He did a decent job defensively, but offers nothing going forward. He and Traore have zero understanding down that side and it badly shows
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 06, 2021, 07:33:15 PM
I thought he was good.  Kept Traore very quiet.
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Post by: Ads on March 06, 2021, 07:33:38 PM
Not for me, he's woeful and the lack of quality from Cash being absent is telling.

Our width comes from the full backs with the wide men coming inside. Not good enough and he's been dire.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on March 06, 2021, 07:33:49 PM
The mental gymnastics involved to suggest that getting rid of Guilbert was a still a good idea.
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Post by: Ads on March 06, 2021, 07:34:40 PM
Adama Traore keeps himself quiet as he absolutely rubbish.
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Post by: Border villan on March 06, 2021, 07:35:14 PM
Much better performance tonight.
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Post by: achilles on March 06, 2021, 07:44:55 PM
He did a decent job defensively, but offers nothing going forward. He and Traore have zero understanding down that side and it badly shows

To be fair, I think it is virtually impossible to get an understanding with Traore as he is a law unto himself, Traore doesn't even pass to Cash when he plays!
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Post by: SoccerHQ on March 06, 2021, 07:52:20 PM
Not for me, he's woeful and the lack of quality from Cash being absent is telling.

Our width comes from the full backs with the wide men coming inside. Not good enough and he's been dire.

Cash been excellent but not like we've been amazing with  him in the team in recent times, we didn't offer v West Ham with him in the team and also poor going forward v Brighton before he went off.

AEM has his faults as you'd expect of 34 year old guy who hasn't played much in last six months but he's come in and been part of two clean sheets in 4 so we haven't regressed defensively with him in the team as feared at least.
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Post by: hipkiss92 on March 06, 2021, 07:57:53 PM
Adama Traore keeps himself quiet as he absolutely rubbish.

The pre match thread suggested he was the second coming such was the prediction of how Elmore.would perform.
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Post by: Ads on March 06, 2021, 07:59:03 PM
Not for me, he's woeful and the lack of quality from Cash being absent is telling.

Our width comes from the full backs with the wide men coming inside. Not good enough and he's been dire.

Cash been excellent but not like we've been amazing with  him in the team in recent times, we didn't offer v West Ham with him in the team and also poor going forward v Brighton before he went off.

AEM has his faults as you'd expect of 34 year old guy who hasn't played much in last six months but he's come in and been part of two clean sheets in 4 so we haven't regressed defensively with him in the team as feared at least.

He's been at fault for all 3 goals we've conceded. He's been a great servant, but we ought to have kept Freddie in hindsight.
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Post by: CT on March 06, 2021, 07:59:30 PM
Adama Traore keeps himself quiet as he absolutely rubbish.

Every time he has a poor half, he has to do 100 bicep curls on each arm.
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Post by: Ads on March 06, 2021, 08:00:47 PM
Adama Traore keeps himself quiet as he absolutely rubbish.

Every time he has a poor half, he has to do 100 bicep curls on each arm.

Ha! Absolutely.

Proper Instagram gym rat where everyday is arms and chest day. Whopper.
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Post by: nigel on March 06, 2021, 08:07:49 PM
Iím going to cut Elmo some slack, as I think heís been brilliant for us.
Yes, heís, probably, struggled a bit since coming back in. I guess at 34 the pace of the prem has caught him up.   
He has been involved in two clean sheets, though, and will always give his all
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Post by: colin69 on March 06, 2021, 08:12:53 PM
Thought Elmo played well tonight. Not sure why Adama felt the need to grease his guns at half time though. Think heís found his level at Wolves.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on March 06, 2021, 08:14:04 PM
Thought Elmo played well tonight. Not sure why Adama felt the need to grease his guns at half time though. Think heís found his level at Wolves.

Traore is Tony Daley on steroids.
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Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 06, 2021, 08:15:43 PM
I like Elmo, and my own two personal highlights from this game were entirely of his making.  In first place was Elmo's foul throw, in the second half.  Very close behind, in second place, was the look of astonishment on Elmo's face when he was flagged for the said foul throw.  I may be wrong but I suspect, sadly, that this will not make it onto MOTD tonight.
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Post by: rougegorge on March 06, 2021, 08:18:46 PM
Iím going to cut Elmo some slack, as I think heís been brilliant for us.
Yes, heís, probably, struggled a bit since coming back in. I guess at 34 the pace of the prem has caught him up.   
He has been involved in two clean sheets, though, and will always give his all
I agree. He has been a decent pro for us in the Championship and in the Premier League when heís had to step in.

Just because Dean Smith doesnít rate Guilbert doesnít mean Elmo should get stick. Heís not as good as Cash and is there as cover. Also, weíve had worse players in the past providing cover than Elmo.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 06, 2021, 08:19:30 PM
Thought Elmo played well tonight. Not sure why Adama felt the need to grease his guns at half time though. Think heís found his level at Wolves.

Traore is Tony Daley on steroids.

Tony Daley was a much better footballer. Far more range to his game, both in providing chances and scoring them. Traore has just become a body builder playing football.
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Post by: rougegorge on March 06, 2021, 08:21:38 PM
Thought Elmo played well tonight. Not sure why Adama felt the need to grease his guns at half time though. Think heís found his level at Wolves.

Traore is Tony Daley on steroids.
I think thatís actually harsh on Tony Daley.
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Post by: Jon Crofts on March 06, 2021, 08:28:14 PM
Thought Elmo played well tonight. Not sure why Adama felt the need to grease his guns at half time though. Think heís found his level at Wolves.

Traore is Tony Daley on steroids.

A very poor mans Tony Daley on some not very good steroids.
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Post by: Luke8 on March 06, 2021, 08:29:00 PM
Iíd have personally stuck with Guilbert but he did had some shockers last season too, to be fair. Smith knows much better than me though and he hasnít got much wrong, so Iíd happy to give him the benefit of the doubt with the decision. Plus, as I said before, itís not always just as simply as who is the better player anyway.

Elmo was fine today. Not great, not awful. Heíll move on in the summer and we will improve that area but, again, Iím not sure exactly what people were expecting our back up right back to be like at this stage of our development.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 06, 2021, 08:30:26 PM
Iím not sure I think thereís a good player in Adama he showed that last year. Heís just struggled this year.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 06, 2021, 08:37:47 PM
Iím not sure I think thereís a good player in Adama he showed that last year. Heís just struggled this year.

He didnít work at his game. He has a lot of raw talent but he never developed it. In a way heís a much shitter version of Gabby, who really had it all (could score left and right foot, great in the air and blistering pace) but never took the big step to the next level. Another who focused way too much on bulking himself up instead of working on being a better all round striker. It too away his speed and athleticism and made him predictable.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on March 06, 2021, 08:54:14 PM
Defensively thought immense Vs Wolves.
And in all his showing these last matches he's been clever with his experience in how to deal with opposition
Game tonight saw him get forward more in first half especially. Well played. Give him to season end and then can look to release a player who will always be someone to count on.
Hoping he gets a repeat goal of last season v Newcastle where he reins neat post and heads in . Has had that chance twice last few matches just needs to get right contact.

Distribution tailed off second half but though very impressive and eases concerns of those who may have them on evenings showing especially.

Cash back in for Spurs but I even have Elmo considered at centre half if Mings is out injured and cash is back for Newcastle. No need to rush anything as Newcastle match next Elmo capable for this match.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 06, 2021, 09:05:35 PM
Iím not sure I think thereís a good player in Adama he showed that last year. Heís just struggled this year.

He didnít work at his game. He has a lot of raw talent but he never developed it. In a way heís a much shitter version of Gabby, who really had it all (could score left and right foot, great in the air and blistering pace) but never took the big step to the next level. Another who focused way too much on bulking himself up instead of working on being a better all round striker. It too away his speed and athleticism and made him predictable.

Iím not convinced on that. His game showed growth last year, but for whatever reason heís slipped back this year.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 06, 2021, 09:21:00 PM
Iím not sure I think thereís a good player in Adama he showed that last year. Heís just struggled this year.

He didnít work at his game. He has a lot of raw talent but he never developed it. In a way heís a much shitter version of Gabby, who really had it all (could score left and right foot, great in the air and blistering pace) but never took the big step to the next level. Another who focused way too much on bulking himself up instead of working on being a better all round striker. It too away his speed and athleticism and made him predictable.

Iím not convinced on that. His game showed growth last year, but for whatever reason heís slipped back this year.

Thatís right. Last season he was being celebrated any time Wolves were on TV. That should have been his platform to advance and he hasnít. I might be wrong but along with just the physical observations he doesnít seem to have that desire to progress and is much more easily marked out of games now.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 06, 2021, 10:28:41 PM
Iím not sure I think thereís a good player in Adama he showed that last year. Heís just struggled this year.

Me too.  Thinks heís a flawed ďTop-4Ē player.   
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Post by: Risso on March 06, 2021, 11:41:55 PM
Traore (the Wolves one) is back to looking like he's not actually a footballer. Every time I've seen Wolves he's done bugger all, and thankfully he kept that up against us.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2021, 10:29:51 AM
It's like it's written for Elmo.
Ramadan ends and he's got perhaps a final few matches to play.
Hoping he does well today as was assured Vs Everton was a decent headed threat as ever on the corners and mainly composed putting a couple of nice crosses in
His age is against him but can't fault his effort not sure he'll last 3 games in a week but it's fitting he'll get some game time before the season end. Be also good (outside of youth cup finals- go on villa!!) to give Kesler some minutes too.
Interesting to see what position he and club take in summer with him.

Concern is the pace and positioning being caught out but hope experience shines through today
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Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 16, 2021, 10:36:22 AM
I don't mind Elmo playing the last few games, especially if he's leaving come the summer. Been a great servant to the club, and also one of our best crossers of the ball in my opinion.

Going to be pretty tough to get anything out of Spurs/Chelsea (though I'd love to smash both of em!), so let him have a little run in the team as a swansong I say.
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Post by: chrisw1 on May 16, 2021, 10:39:12 AM
It would have been great to give him a send off like we did with Hutton.
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Post by: nigel on May 16, 2021, 10:39:44 AM
Iíve total respect for Elmo.
His attitude is bang on. A true professional
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Post by: mr underhill on May 16, 2021, 10:43:13 AM
me too a very good buy for the money and he won't have any shortage of offers .
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2021, 10:45:36 AM
Could do a job for a decent side in the Championship. Been a good player for us.

A good egg.
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Post by: Ads on May 16, 2021, 02:24:50 PM
I wish him well wherever he ends up.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 16, 2021, 02:27:59 PM
Useless for second goal.

Been a good servant but time to let him leave, no sentiment.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 16, 2021, 02:33:24 PM
Slightly harsh blaming Elmo for the 2nd goal. Donít think he knew too much about it.
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Post by: AV82EC on May 16, 2021, 02:35:07 PM
Slightly harsh blaming Elmo for the 2nd goal. Donít think he knew too much about it.

I think it was the lethargic trudge back into the box rather than a sprint to help out Konsa that I'd be moaning about.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 16, 2021, 02:35:54 PM
Fair enough
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Post by: brontebilly on May 16, 2021, 03:53:10 PM
Slightly harsh blaming Elmo for the 2nd goal. Donít think he knew too much about it.

Turned away from the shot though, deflections tend to happen as a result. Konsa was beaten far too easily by Zaha for me in the first instance.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 16, 2021, 05:11:18 PM
Slightly harsh blaming Elmo for the 2nd goal. Donít think he knew too much about it.

He should've helped Konsa out rather than just staying central. In that type of situation Zaha dosen't tend to just chip it to backpost, he drives into the box and gets the shot in.

AEM alongside Konsa makes it very difficult for Zaha to score from where he was.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 16, 2021, 06:05:03 PM
Indeed HQ, I acknowledged my oversight a while ago.
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Post by: ROBBO on May 16, 2021, 11:26:44 PM
You never turn your back if he had stayed front on there would have been no deflection, very poor.
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Post by: Flin5tone on May 16, 2021, 11:38:01 PM
A Fantastic servant to the Football Club and always there to slot in when needed.
Obviously not First Choice in that Position but think he deserves a contract extension for 1 year
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Post by: Drummond on May 17, 2021, 09:56:32 AM
A Fantastic servant to the Football Club and always there to slot in when needed.
Obviously not First Choice in that Position but think he deserves a contract extension for 1 year

I agree with the first sentence and a half but there's no way he should be getting another contract. Guilbert will come back and then we're sorted, alternatively, we'll sell him and bring in another. I'm not convinced Kessler is ready yet to be the back-up.
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Post by: brontebilly on May 17, 2021, 10:01:45 AM
You never turn your back if he had stayed front on there would have been no deflection, very poor.

While that's correct, it still doesn't excuse Konsa's effort at stopping Zaha which was very poor. Didn't get tight enough to him nor show him outside onto his left foot. Allowing a forward turn that close to goal was asking for trouble.

One thing I notice with Elmo is that he really doesn't want to push forward too much. He will cross from deep but never wants to push past AEG/Traore and get in behind. That's something Guilbert certainly would give us.
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 17, 2021, 10:04:13 AM
Everyone of his defensive headers away yesterday were poor - weak and merely didn't clear any danger whatsoever.  He has been a great servant, but no longer up to it at this level and I've said it all along but favouring him as back up over Guilbert was just a bizarre decision.
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Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2021, 12:02:43 PM
You never turn your back if he had stayed front on there would have been no deflection, very poor.

While that's correct, it still doesn't excuse Konsa's effort at stopping Zaha which was very poor. Didn't get tight enough to him nor show him outside onto his left foot. Allowing a forward turn that close to goal was asking for trouble.

One thing I notice with Elmo is that he really doesn't want to push forward too much. He will cross from deep but never wants to push past AEG/Traore and get in behind. That's something Guilbert certainly would give us.

That caution might be why he gets favoured, Guilbert had a habit of getting caught upfield.
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Post by: Drummond on May 17, 2021, 12:22:29 PM
You never turn your back if he had stayed front on there would have been no deflection, very poor.

While that's correct, it still doesn't excuse Konsa's effort at stopping Zaha which was very poor. Didn't get tight enough to him nor show him outside onto his left foot. Allowing a forward turn that close to goal was asking for trouble.

One thing I notice with Elmo is that he really doesn't want to push forward too much. He will cross from deep but never wants to push past AEG/Traore and get in behind. That's something Guilbert certainly would give us.

That caution might be why he gets favoured, Guilbert had a habit of getting caught upfield.

See also Hutton. A, before him.

I also think our improved defence this season is as a result of defenders staying back. Particularly so on the right whilst Targett pushed further forward on the left.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on May 23, 2021, 01:13:55 PM
Like to think Elmo gets some minutes today for a good send off if hes to be leaving

Nothing to lose either way if he starts or comes on but a last hurrah and applause for a good servant would be fitting
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Post by: Border villan on May 28, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
He has just posted a farewell message on Twitter. A great club player.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 28, 2021, 12:16:21 PM
Always gave his all and popped up with some useful goals too. Yes, there were some mistakes too but overall a very good player for us.  I wish him all the best.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 28, 2021, 12:17:06 PM
Good man Elmo. An important player in a tough time for the club.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 28, 2021, 12:19:54 PM
Great servant to the club, best wishes for the future. Another one who always gave his all for the club.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 28, 2021, 12:40:33 PM
I'd keep him on as a Crossing Coach. We could do with the help and he's unquestionably the best at the club.

Thanks for everything, Elmo and best wishes for the future.
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Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 28, 2021, 12:49:27 PM
Good luck going forwards Elmo! Thanks for your service to Villa.
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 28, 2021, 12:49:53 PM
Enjoy Newcastle, Elmo!
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Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2021, 12:53:38 PM
A bargain for what we paid and just the kind of player and attitude we needed at the time who rarely let us down.
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Post by: dave shelley on May 28, 2021, 12:59:38 PM
Good luck in the future Elmo, you'll always be welcome at Villa Park.  Your contribution to our renaissance will not be forgotten.  Thank you.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2021, 01:17:04 PM
Inevitably Neil Taylor also gone. Same sentiments. Neither were the best players we ever had but they did a job, sometimes really well. Both are great pros and just good eggs who have had a positive influence at the club. I hope both have a future role with the club. Neil Taylor can certainly help in the community especially given his background.
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Post by: simon ward 50 on May 28, 2021, 01:17:35 PM
A bargain for what we paid and just the kind of player and attitude we needed at the time who rarely let us down.

This! Thanks Elmo
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Post by: Steve67 on May 28, 2021, 01:25:58 PM
Best wishes Elmo.  Great servant to the club. 
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Post by: Drummond on May 28, 2021, 01:41:14 PM
Yep, top bloke, pretty decent player and overall did well. Just not good enough for where we aspire to be.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 28, 2021, 01:46:31 PM
Elmo has been invited back one day (not now) for a role in a coaching capacity. Happy with that.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on May 28, 2021, 02:08:08 PM
Very good, reliable player bought at a relatively low fee. Very rarely let us down, thanks Elmo and good luck
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Post by: German James on May 28, 2021, 02:30:33 PM
Classy farewell statement to boot!
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 28, 2021, 02:32:39 PM
Top Bloke.
Real Pro.
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Post by: algy on May 28, 2021, 02:45:17 PM
Elmo has been invited back one day (not now) for a role in a coaching capacity. Happy with that.
Yeah, I noticed that ... nice touch & a sign of how well respected he is.

Best of luck, Elmo.  We'll meet again ...
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Post by: brontebilly on May 28, 2021, 06:18:58 PM
A great servant for us in two divisions. Brilliant professional and a key part in the recovery of the club. I know I was far from happy when Bruce added him to the collection of right backs we had but he outlasted them all.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 28, 2021, 06:36:49 PM
Elmo has been invited back one day (not now) for a role in a coaching capacity. Happy with that.

I like this.  Building a culture where we look after our own.
Relatively speaking, a trainee coach must be such a small investment that it makes absolute sense; hoovering up the hardest working/best ones once theyíve proven themselves.
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Post by: aj2k77 on May 28, 2021, 06:47:23 PM
He put some cracking crosses in did Elmo. All the best to him.
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Post by: CT on May 28, 2021, 06:57:02 PM
Thatís the way to leave a club.

We'll meet again Elmo. Top professional, top man.
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Post by: Villan For Life on May 28, 2021, 07:05:51 PM
Thank you Elmo, you were a great club man and played your part in or Renaissance and we thank you for your hard work.
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Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2021, 07:14:47 PM
Great to know for every Micah Richards there an Ahmed Elmohammedy. Thank you Ahmed and good like for the rest of your life.
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Post by: manic-road on May 28, 2021, 07:43:27 PM
Thanks Elmo for your contribution, always appeared to be a top pro and I wouldn't be surprised if Bruce signs him for the Toon.
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Post by: darren woolley on May 28, 2021, 08:00:11 PM
Good luck Elmo in whatever you do.
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Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 28, 2021, 08:16:03 PM
All the very best Elmo, top Villa man held in very high regard, hope your path once again crosses with the B6 turf so we can show our appreciation.
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Post by: LukeJames on May 28, 2021, 08:46:08 PM
Nice one Elmo, loved the message aswell, really gives off the impression that he got the club and loved it here. Still seems a very fit chap aswell so hopefully a decent club can get a couple of years out of him.
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Post by: OCD on May 28, 2021, 09:10:07 PM
Interesting that he said he had been offered a coaching role.
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Post by: dorsetvillian on May 28, 2021, 09:29:58 PM
Great player for Villa. Never let us down. Wish him all the best.
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Post by: sickbeggar on May 29, 2021, 09:17:24 AM
One of Bruce's go-to players to get a team promoted from the Championship and did the job eventually. Can't have any complaints really and I hope he gets a good gig elsewhere.
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Post by: rob_bridge on May 29, 2021, 02:42:13 PM
Thanks Elmore best of luck. You made us a better team when you joined
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Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2021, 05:22:22 PM
I like Elmo - shame we haven't kept him, but he could play for a year or two more easily at the top end of the Chmpionship.
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Post by: dcdavecollett on May 31, 2021, 01:45:59 AM
Best delivery of the ball from out wide, apart from Conor.
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Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2021, 03:53:43 PM
Enjoy Newcastle, Elmo!

Well, you know...wor lass said 'avin Elmo round the place puts me in a better mood so we'll make room for him. If it doesn't work out I suppose it'll be ''Off with me 'ead" but I'm big and ugly enough to cope wit that.
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Post by: Steve67 on May 31, 2021, 09:22:17 PM
Good luck Elmo. Best wishes, thanks for being a decent and honest player.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 09, 2021, 04:54:23 PM
My endearing memory of Elmo was giving it to the noses at Stans after the Grealish assault game. 
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Post by: DrGonzo on June 10, 2021, 07:51:01 AM
Thanks for all your efforts! Hope he gets a nice retirement contract, somewhere warm!
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Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 10, 2021, 08:12:23 AM
When we signed him from Hull, I was a bit underwhelmed, thinking he was an aging winger.

However, he did a great job for us in the Championship at RB and was still useful in the top flight. Arguably the best crosser we had too and had surprisingly good energy.

Wish him all the best.
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Post by: not3bad on June 10, 2021, 10:13:50 AM
All the best Elmo!
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Post by: jwarry on July 08, 2021, 09:14:44 AM
Is someone taking the piss?

https://twitter.com/jxmesavfc2/status/1412779664054030342?s=21
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Post by: Jon Crofts on July 08, 2021, 09:16:43 AM
Is someone taking the piss?

https://twitter.com/jxmesavfc2/status/1412779664054030342?s=21

That's brilliant, he deserves a pay as you play contract at Camp Nou.
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Post by: Fred Crump on July 08, 2021, 09:18:01 AM
Is someone taking the piss?

https://twitter.com/jxmesavfc2/status/1412779664054030342?s=21
I think the clue is that they canít even spell the word Barcelona
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Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 08, 2021, 09:29:23 AM
Thank you Elmo and all the best.
You put a bloody good stint in for the club we love.
Happy days at AVFC!
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Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2021, 10:23:22 AM
I used to think if Barca could sign an average-Joe like Braithwaite, none of their signings would suprise me especially considering their financial situation?

Then, I saw Braithwaite play against England last night (and during the tournament, generally), and thought he was great. Selfless hold-up play and gave Maguire and Stones plenty to think about.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2021, 10:46:41 AM
I used to think if Barca could sign an average-Joe like Braithwaite, none of their signings would suprise me especially considering their financial situation?

Then, I saw Braithwaite play against England last night (and during the tournament, generally), and thought he was great. Selfless hold-up play and gave Maguire and Stones plenty to think about.

I thought the same, the first time I'd ever noticed him he was coming off the bench for Middlesbrough when we were pasting them at the Riverside in the promotion season, and then the next time I noticed he was signing for Barcelona!

But he was very good last night, and has the whole tournament, I did think he might be a handy option if Barcelona are offloading, he could play across the front three effectively.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: in exile on July 08, 2021, 11:48:25 AM
Just looked on the FC Barcalona website and there is no mention of it so it's bullshit.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 08, 2021, 12:00:00 PM
Just looked on the FC Barcalona website and there is no mention of it so it's bullshit.

Really?!
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: chrisw1 on July 08, 2021, 12:00:14 PM
Just looked on the FC Barcalona website and there is no mention of it so it's bullshit.
It's a joke tweet from a Villa fan who has just changed his display name - look at the @ handle and you can see it's @JxmesAVFC2.  He has 43 followers.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Fred Crump on July 08, 2021, 12:12:10 PM
Where do FC Barcalona play ? It would be very confusing if they were from Barcelona.  ;)
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 08, 2021, 12:28:14 PM
I always liked Paris FC. Last time I looked they were in and around the playoff positions of Ligue 2.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2021, 12:56:51 PM
Just looked on the FC Barcalona website and there is no mention of it so it's bullshit.

Really?!

*snigger*
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: in exile on July 08, 2021, 03:13:39 PM
Bunch of cnuts
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 08, 2021, 04:48:12 PM
Fun quiz: name the three former Barcelona players that signed for Villa.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 08, 2021, 04:49:17 PM
Just looked on the FC Barcalona website and there is no mention of it so it's bullshit.

Probably trying to keep it quiet for now. They'll need a big signing announcement to cheer up the fans when Messi signs for Villa.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Martin Carruthers on July 08, 2021, 04:52:21 PM
Fun quiz: name the three former Barcelona players that signed for Villa.

Adama Traore. Struggling after that...
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Kevin Dawson on July 08, 2021, 04:54:11 PM
Louis Barry?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 08, 2021, 04:55:12 PM
Two down. The third one is a bit of a cheat answer...
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 08, 2021, 05:21:40 PM
Clue: more than one country has a team called Barcelona in it...
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Monty on July 08, 2021, 05:23:34 PM
Oh I know this: Ulises de la Cruz!
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: CT on July 08, 2021, 05:24:33 PM
UDLC?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 08, 2021, 05:34:50 PM
Well done, both. Yes, that would be Barcelona of the Ecuadorian League.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 08, 2021, 08:44:53 PM
See also : When did Arsenal last win the league?
In what year did Luis SuŠrez win the Ballon d'Or?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 08, 2021, 09:12:04 PM
I think there is an Arsenal in Ukraine, maybe Argentina, too? Will guess 2015. For Suarez, assume you're on about the Spaniard? Think he may have played in the same Inter team as Hitchens or certainly around that time. I'll try 1963.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 08, 2021, 09:28:54 PM
Thought you'd know for sure about the other Arsenal. Close on both but out by the same no. of years despite being very well worked out (I didn't know SuŠrez went to Inter).
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: dave shelley on July 08, 2021, 09:33:56 PM
There's an Eston Villa in Estonia.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2021, 09:55:57 PM
No way!
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: dave shelley on July 08, 2021, 10:04:30 PM
No way!

 Here y'are (https://ie.soccerway.com/teams/estonia/mtu-fc-eston-villa-/19489/)
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 08, 2021, 10:20:44 PM
There's an Eston Villa in Estonia.

I always thought they were poshos in Estonia.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on July 08, 2021, 10:42:27 PM
There's an Eston Villa in Estonia.

I always thought they were poshos in Estonia.
Estonia is a great country, lovely people. Go in the Summer, have the craic in Parnu; go in the Autumn, pretend you're a student again in Tartu. Go in the Winter, stay in Otepšš for the x-country skiing and too much drinking. Christmas in Tallinn is good too.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2021, 10:46:01 PM
Jesus Mossie, it's far from the former Baltic States you were reared  :o
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2021, 10:46:53 PM
No way!

 Here y'are (https://ie.soccerway.com/teams/estonia/mtu-fc-eston-villa-/19489/)

Could we not donate them a clubhouse or even a lawnmower ?
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2021, 12:40:55 PM
There's an Eston Villa in Estonia.

Friend of mine, Villa fan ST holder, moved to Estonia last year. Excitedly called me to tell me of this club. They really do exist.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2021, 12:41:27 PM
No way!

 Here y'are (https://ie.soccerway.com/teams/estonia/mtu-fc-eston-villa-/19489/)

Could we not donate them a clubhouse or even a lawnmower ?

Or Neil Taylor.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 09, 2021, 01:32:28 PM
Jesus Mossie, it's far from the former Baltic States you were reared  :o

LEL
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 09, 2021, 01:39:25 PM
There's an Eston Villa in Estonia.

There's a Villa Aston in Mauritius.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: jwarry on July 09, 2021, 06:13:14 PM
No way!

 Here y'are (https://ie.soccerway.com/teams/estonia/mtu-fc-eston-villa-/19489/)

Could we not donate them a clubhouse or even a lawnmower ?

Or Neil Taylor.

Looking at the picture of their home ground it looks suspiciously like Castle Vale of old 😳
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 10, 2021, 01:23:34 AM
There's an Eston Villa in Estonia.

There's a Villa Aston in Mauritius.

There used to be a restaurant in Shanghai called simply ďThe VillaĒ.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Drummond on July 10, 2021, 07:50:54 AM
No way!

 Here y'are (https://ie.soccerway.com/teams/estonia/mtu-fc-eston-villa-/19489/)

Nice to see they retained the natural order by beating (Small Heath) Alliance II 6-0 on September too.
Title: Re: Ahmed Elmohamady - released
Post by: Neil Hawkes on July 10, 2021, 09:32:31 AM
Or Neil Taylor.
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