Next Villa manager

[Jimbo]

Yeah sorry, reading back now I should have picked up on it. I just took a bee-line at the opportunity to shoe horn history in!

No worries. I admit I got the date wrong, but I wasn't far off. In fact I wouldn't mind a convincing recreation of the sacking of Carthage at St Dogshits on Hallowe'en's eve, but I can still dream.

[QuintonVilla]

Micky Mellon has just left Shrewsbury...

[mr underhill]

he was hardly Mr Majestik

[mattjpa]

To be fair, the roman history is the best thing ive read on here for a couple of days, much better than the managerial successes of wor Steve Bruce. I have absolutely no idea why I hated history at school. I wish I could go back and slap my 13year old self round the back of the head for being such an ass

[claretandbeer]

I think it's looking like it will be Bruce or Wagner.

Bruce would be the safe and sensible option. He's tried and trusted in this division, would sort the defence out and would get us up the league. Downsides being the Small Heath links and he's not exactly going to excite the fans. However is excitement and a risk what we need right now? Almost certainly not.

That brings me on to Wagner. He would be more exciting and an unknown, but he's very inexperienced and has only managed 11 games in this league. I think he would be an unnecessary risk in our current position.

There is another issue,that the younger managers ,Rowett,,Smith,Johnson ,Wagner and Heckingbottom at Barnsley are being more successful than the safe,sensible,tried and tested,ie staid like Mccarthy, Warnock and McClaren.
Being younger doesn't mean being better but inexperience shouldn't be a barrier.
There seems to be a growing number of excellent young,mainly English coaches in the Championship who seem to be a step up in quality from their older  counterparts.
In the Premiership you have Howe in comparison to safe and sensible Moyes ? The amazement at Pochettino replacing Adkins at Southampton and what a contrast in their careers since.
Surely,if you look at how a team plays and how their team performs ,you can judge the quality of their coach.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I think it's looking like it will be Bruce or Wagner.

Bruce would be the safe and sensible option. He's tried and trusted in this division, would sort the defence out and would get us up the league. Downsides being the Small Heath links and he's not exactly going to excite the fans. However is excitement and a risk what we need right now? Almost certainly not.

That brings me on to Wagner. He would be more exciting and an unknown, but he's very inexperienced and has only managed 11 games in this league. I think he would be an unnecessary risk in our current position.

He's closer to 50 games in this league.

So he has, just shows how I haven't noticed him before this season. Why did nobody want him in the summer? He's basically being judged on the 11 games this season which is crazy really. You could pinpoint an 11 game spell in any manager's career to make them look good.

I actually think he might do alright here, but as I said it's a risk we don't need to take right now.

For me it goes way beyond his previous 11 games, it's more about his method. The way he's achieved success with less than £4m spent is exactly what we need. The clear understanding of fitness requirements in the Championship, the team bonding, team rotation, taking ownership of the club and giving them a footballing identity that everybody has signed up to, his complete commitment to the job (not like RDM going home to relax and watch a few films), everything he's done has been in preparation to get the best out of side small squad. Huddersfield topping the table is no accident, it's the reward of planning and hard work from all concerned.

I don't think he'll come here but if he did he'd set us up for the future, something Dr Xia is desperately looking for.

[Dave]

Surely,if you look at how a team plays and how their team performs ,you can judge the quality of their coach.

Not always. Is Ranieri the genius who won Leicester City the title or the hopeless charlatan who was terrible at Inter and Greece? Well, he's both.

Is Roberto Di Matteo the person whose odd tactical move of playing Ryan Bertrand as a left-winger in the Champions League final was a big part of him winning it when the likes of Mourinho and Ancelotti had failed, or is he the numpty that thinks tactics is sticking four strikers ahead of Westwood and Gardner and hoping for the best? Again, he's both.

Circumstance and surroundings have a massive bearing on whether a manager is any good or not. A good manager can find everything going terribly wrong and a bad manager can find things going right.

[oldhill_avfc]

3 to 2.. err? Get Tommy Doc back.

Did the Doc get us promoted?  probably missing something

The doc was brought when we were demoted from Div 1. He said on ATV at time. 'it's my job to get the Villa out of division 2'  Great teatime viewing. Everyone nodded in agreement. The Villa went in div 3. He got them back up then.  Classic stuff. Took a long time back then. Everyone wants instant gratification now. Not least Tony Xia who ants PL riches for his investment. Playing Leyton Orient not on his agenda.

(Edited by PWS: Tidied that up for you.)

I said 3 to 2, not 2 to 3.
The Doc was sacked and Crowe got promotion.
probably still missing something though

[mike]

Surely,if you look at how a team plays and how their team performs ,you can judge the quality of their coach.

Not always. Is Ranieri the genius who won Leicester City the title or the hopeless charlatan who was terrible at Inter and Greece? Well, he's both.

Is Roberto Di Matteo the person whose odd tactical move of playing Ryan Bertrand as a left-winger in the Champions League final was a big part of him winning it when the likes of Mourinho and Ancelotti had failed, or is he the numpty that thinks tactics is sticking four strikers ahead of Westwood and Gardner and hoping for the best? Again, he's both.

Circumstance and surroundings have a massive bearing on whether a manager is any good or not. A good manager can find everything going terribly wrong and a bad manager can find things going right.

Sorry, this is a football forum, can you cut out the reasonable stuff.

[oldhill_avfc]

I think it's looking like it will be Bruce or Wagner.

Bruce would be the safe and sensible option. He's tried and trusted in this division, would sort the defence out and would get us up the league. Downsides being the Small Heath links and he's not exactly going to excite the fans. However is excitement and a risk what we need right now? Almost certainly not.

That brings me on to Wagner. He would be more exciting and an unknown, but he's very inexperienced and has only managed 11 games in this league. I think he would be an unnecessary risk in our current position.

There is another issue,that the younger managers ,Rowett,,Smith,Johnson ,Wagner and Heckingbottom at Barnsley are being more successful than the safe,sensible,tried and tested,ie staid like Mccarthy, Warnock and McClaren.
Being younger doesn't mean being better but inexperience shouldn't be a barrier.
There seems to be a growing number of excellent young,mainly English coaches in the Championship who seem to be a step up in quality from their older  counterparts.
In the Premiership you have Howe in comparison to safe and sensible Moyes ? The amazement at Pochettino replacing Adkins at Southampton and what a contrast in their careers since.
Surely,if you look at how a team plays and how their team performs ,you can judge the quality of their coach.

Probably get shot down in flames for this, but what's wrong with Clough? 
Doesn't suffer fools gladly.
Experienced yet not fucked up any 'big' chances.
Decent track record of structure, organisation and continued improvement.
Did OK at Sheffield and while at Derby was in much the same place as Huddersfield are now.

[QuintonVilla]

Sean Dyche would be a very good appointment in this league. Couldn't see him leaving Burnley at the moment though.

[mr underhill]

Brucie is nailed on for this gig

[The_ads]

And if Wagner is such an exciting choice, why was he completely overlooked by everybody about 12 games ago?

Made exactly the same point about RDM. He came from nowhere with people forgetting he was a shit manager instead focusing on the fact he happened to be the figure head when Chelsea won the Champions league. 

Wagner is too much of a risk imo

[Matt Collins]

I think it's looking like it will be Bruce or Wagner.

Bruce would be the safe and sensible option. He's tried and trusted in this division, would sort the defence out and would get us up the league. Downsides being the Small Heath links and he's not exactly going to excite the fans. However is excitement and a risk what we need right now? Almost certainly not.

That brings me on to Wagner. He would be more exciting and an unknown, but he's very inexperienced and has only managed 11 games in this league. I think he would be an unnecessary risk in our current position.

There is another issue,that the younger managers ,Rowett,,Smith,Johnson ,Wagner and Heckingbottom at Barnsley are being more successful than the safe,sensible,tried and tested,ie staid like Mccarthy, Warnock and McClaren.
Being younger doesn't mean being better but inexperience shouldn't be a barrier.
There seems to be a growing number of excellent young,mainly English coaches in the Championship who seem to be a step up in quality from their older  counterparts.
In the Premiership you have Howe in comparison to safe and sensible Moyes ? The amazement at Pochettino replacing Adkins at Southampton and what a contrast in their careers since.
Surely,if you look at how a team plays and how their team performs ,you can judge the quality of their coach.

Probably get shot down in flames for this, but what's wrong with Clough? 
Doesn't suffer fools gladly.
Experienced yet not fucked up any 'big' chances.
Decent track record of structure, organisation and continued improvement.
Did OK at Sheffield and while at Derby was in much the same place as Huddersfield are now.

He's dead

Oh, that one sorry

Not for me

[Tony Erdington]

I'm in the Bruce camp

on here a lot of contributors were oozing how good remy "was" I remember. now he most likely is a good coach BUT he failed the acid test and for those waxing about Robert wagner , you are trying to perpetuate this cycle.

Bruce wont fuck up.

if not Bruce then an equally seasoned professional.