Not a very inspiring list is it?
Reality often is.
Not a very inspiring list is it?
It's utterly depressing
Right now I'm not even against Steve Clarke taking over providing we get rid of peanut head.
Right now I'm not even against Steve Clarke taking over providing we get rid of peanut head.
Mark Hughes
Right now I'm not even against Steve Clarke taking over providing we get rid of peanut head.
fuck that. He's every bit as responsible for this. He's proven himself to be inept as a manager on multiple occasions including at Championship level.
Mancini..has he ever worked at a struggling club? He's had a mollycoddled (since that's the word of the day) management existence.No way would he take the job
Steve Bruce.
Mancini..has he ever worked at a struggling club? He's had a mollycoddled (since that's the word of the day) management existence.No way would he take the job
The logician in me says Bruce, the optimist in me says Rowett. Surely we have to get it right one day?
Roy Hodgson for meI reckon he'll get a Premier League gig. Stoke maybe
Rowett would be my pick but I can't see him crossing the city mid-season
Therefore, I'd go for Colin
I don't see what other people see in Bruce, I'm afraid. I know he has promotions, but so do a lot of managers. He's always struck me as one of those jobbers-on-the-circuit managers, who have a career pretty much for the sole reason that people think they ought to be good at managing. I don't look at our squad and think that Bruce would bring the best out of it, either.be interesting fights with Gabby in the canteen.
I'd take Rowett, but I think he'd tell us where to go. So I'd settle for Dean Smith. He can't be worse than the current dimwit, can he?
Rowett.
I don't see how he can be any worse than any of the c***s we've had the last few years OR Sam Fucking Allardyce.
I'd take Rowett, but I think he'd tell us where to go. So I'd settle for Dean Smith. He can't be worse than the current dimwit, can he?
Rowett would crawl over broken glass to escape that lot and manage the Villa.
I am angry to the point of insanity. I would get Remi Garde back.
Were already in big trouble, I would appoint Warnock, if he was in place by the Wolves game I'm convinced we would win that game and he would guide us to a comfortable final position, got to act decisively or I fear for us.What would he do about our central midfield? That is the main problem and we don't have the players. Current management's fault for not addressing properly in the summer but can't fix until January now.
David Wagner does not call it heavy metal football. The former Borussia Dortmund reserve team manager, who was convinced to become a coach by his former Mainz team‑mate and great friend Jürgen Klopp, prefers to use a different term for the style of play he has been cultivating at Huddersfield Town since being hired in November with instructions to transform the club.
“We now call it the Terriers’ identity,” says Wagner with a broad smile. “Exactly the style of football I love is like a terrier. We are not the biggest dog, we are small, but we are aggressive, we are not afraid, we like to compete with the big dogs and we are quick and mobile and we have endurance. We never give up. This small dog has fighting spirit for sure.”
Five games into the season and this small dog is top of the Championship, having sunk its teeth into two of the favourites for promotion, winning at Newcastle United and drawing at Aston Villa. No one at Huddersfield is barking about promotion to the Premier League yet, nor even about ending the season higher than Saturday’s opponents, Leeds United, for the first time since 1962. Nor is anyone ruling it out. “I don’t set targets because sometimes targets are limits and we don’t like limits,” says Wagner. “But I’m not a dreamer, I’m a worker.”
Wagner makes sure his players work, too, so that they can play at the ferocious intensity he demands. He introduced double training sessions as soon as he arrived, with start times switched to correspond to the kick-off of the next match, whether at 3pm or in the evening. Pundits warned of mutiny but Wagner has found harmony. “This was one of the biggest surprises and biggest helps for me,” he says. “There was no resistance, especially from the very experienced players like Dean Whitehead and Mark Hudson. If you deliver professionals something that makes them feel stronger, then they will follow. This was the case and this was the reason why they are very open for the future.”
Huddersfield’s performances improved rapidly under Wagner but they appeared to run out of steam towards the end of last season, which concluded with a 4-0 loss at Bristol City and a 5-1 home defeat by Brentford. Wagner knew that his first pre-season with the club would be crucial, especially after he bought or brought in on loan 13 players, including four from Germany, where Wagner was born and bred before playing internationally for the United States, his father’s homeland. Wagner needed to fuse these players rapidly into a unit so on the first day of pre‑season training, before any fitness or tactical work, he took them to fend for themselves on a tiny uninhabited island off the coast of Sweden.
“We knew we had a lot of new signings and should never forget that this is a traditional English football club with more than 100 years of history and I am the first manager from outside the British Isles and maybe there are as many foreign players as there has ever been, so we thought: ‘How can we make the players bind together very quickly?’” he says.
“We went to Sweden for four days and three nights and we didn’t bring a ball. We were really in the wild, no electricity, no toilet, no bed, no mobile phone or internet. If you are hungry, take your rod and get a fish. If you are thirsty, go to the lake and put your bottle in. If you are cold, make a fire.
“We had three guides with us to help, but if you are always together, in a two-man tent or eight hours a day in a two-man canoe – and we always rotated the pairings – then you have to speak to each other. I am convinced that the better you know your mate off the pitch, the more you are able to work for him on it in uncomfortable situations.
“They changed their borderlines over those three days. I can say now, three months later, that it was 100% success, and that is the feedback from the players, too.”
Wagner is no hollow sergeant‑major. He laughs a lot for a start and his approach is rooted in more than an ability to foster a strong esprit de corps. He has overseen the appointment of a nutritionist and a head of performance services and has had it written into players’ contracts that they must live within 15 miles of the club’s training ground because long commutes hinder recovery. These are basic measures for a man who spent five years gaining a degree in biology and sports science from Darmstadt University after finishing his playing career in 2005.
“Maybe I can say I lost my hunger for the football business so I decided to study to understand more about the science side,” he says of that career move. “Those were probably the hardest five years of my life, but I did it. After about two years, my hunger for football came back.”
Klopp, who is godfather to one of Wagner’s children, helped keep his hunger alive. “Jürgen said to me one day shortly before I did my last exam: ‘Listen, you were a professional footballer so when you get your exam, please do your Uefa pro licence, then you will have the three qualifications you need and all doors will be open for you to come back into football.’”
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That is what Wagner did, but after completing his pro licence and running Hoffenheim’s under-19s for two years, he decided to go back to school. He was 18 months into the two years of practical work experience required to qualify as a teacher in Germany when, in 2011, Klopp asked him to coach Dortmund’s second team. “I had a few discussions at home,” says Wagner. “Then I decided to take the job.”
He thrived at it for four years, taking Dortmund II to the third tier of German football while playing the exhilarating style that Huddersfield’s chairman, Dean Hoyle, would eventually ask him to transplant to Yorkshire.
“The main part of the style here is exactly what we had in Dortmund,” says Wagner. “We have had to adapt some things to the English environment. For example, referees here do not blow their whistles as much so there are fewer breaks in the game and players get more tired around 70 minutes. Maybe sometimes we have to keep the ball more rather than go for another goal even if you might then concede an equaliser.”
Mostly, however, Huddersfield play like a whirlwind. The exciting style was one of the reasons why the club sold a record number of season tickets this summer, more than 15,000 (the other reason was that Hoyle slashed prices). In August, the club enjoyed its highest attendance on an opening day for 46 years and 18,479 fans were thrilled to witness evidence that Wagner’s pre-season had paid off as Huddersfield avenged their heavy loss on the final day of last season by beating Brentford 2-1.
That fine start to the campaign has continued. Huddersfield even won 2-1 at Melwood last week when Klopp invited them to play a friendly behind closed doors against Liverpool players who were not on international duty.
The question now is whether Huddersfield can sustain their all-action style over a 46-match league campaign without a winter break. “There’s no reason why not,” says Wagner. “The important thing is to find the right balance between intensity and recovery and everybody knows I have no problem with rotation.” But Wagner reiterates: “There are a lot of different areas where we have to go forward to be a proper professional football club and we are only at the start of his journey.”
He adds: “But we can enjoy our start and be confident as we go into the biggest game of our season, against Leeds United. It’s not just a derby, for us it’s the derby.” Wagner reckons March’s 4-1 win at Elland Road could be the highlight of his reign so far. “We will do our best to make our fans celebrate again,” says a man who is changing his club’s identity, but not too much.
Don't know who is ideal but I want someone who will never pick Ashley Westwood for their team. I am fed up with him. I want him sold asap.
Were already in big trouble, I would appoint Warnock, if he was in place by the Wolves game I'm convinced we would win that game and he would guide us to a comfortable final position, got to act decisively or I fear for us.What would he do about our central midfield? That is the main problem and we don't have the players. Current management's fault for not addressing properly in the summer but can't fix until January now.
Might be too early for the Villa job, but this is the type of character we should be looking for:
clicky (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/09/huddersfield-david-wagner-no-electricity-no-beds-football-championship)QuoteDavid Wagner does not call it heavy metal football. The former Borussia Dortmund reserve team manager, who was convinced to become a coach by his former Mainz team‑mate and great friend Jürgen Klopp, prefers to use a different term for the style of play he has been cultivating at Huddersfield Town since being hired in November with instructions to transform the club.
“We now call it the Terriers’ identity,” says Wagner with a broad smile. “Exactly the style of football I love is like a terrier. We are not the biggest dog, we are small, but we are aggressive, we are not afraid, we like to compete with the big dogs and we are quick and mobile and we have endurance. We never give up. This small dog has fighting spirit for sure.”
Five games into the season and this small dog is top of the Championship, having sunk its teeth into two of the favourites for promotion, winning at Newcastle United and drawing at Aston Villa. No one at Huddersfield is barking about promotion to the Premier League yet, nor even about ending the season higher than Saturday’s opponents, Leeds United, for the first time since 1962. Nor is anyone ruling it out. “I don’t set targets because sometimes targets are limits and we don’t like limits,” says Wagner. “But I’m not a dreamer, I’m a worker.”
Wagner makes sure his players work, too, so that they can play at the ferocious intensity he demands. He introduced double training sessions as soon as he arrived, with start times switched to correspond to the kick-off of the next match, whether at 3pm or in the evening. Pundits warned of mutiny but Wagner has found harmony. “This was one of the biggest surprises and biggest helps for me,” he says. “There was no resistance, especially from the very experienced players like Dean Whitehead and Mark Hudson. If you deliver professionals something that makes them feel stronger, then they will follow. This was the case and this was the reason why they are very open for the future.”
Huddersfield’s performances improved rapidly under Wagner but they appeared to run out of steam towards the end of last season, which concluded with a 4-0 loss at Bristol City and a 5-1 home defeat by Brentford. Wagner knew that his first pre-season with the club would be crucial, especially after he bought or brought in on loan 13 players, including four from Germany, where Wagner was born and bred before playing internationally for the United States, his father’s homeland. Wagner needed to fuse these players rapidly into a unit so on the first day of pre‑season training, before any fitness or tactical work, he took them to fend for themselves on a tiny uninhabited island off the coast of Sweden.
“We knew we had a lot of new signings and should never forget that this is a traditional English football club with more than 100 years of history and I am the first manager from outside the British Isles and maybe there are as many foreign players as there has ever been, so we thought: ‘How can we make the players bind together very quickly?’” he says.
“We went to Sweden for four days and three nights and we didn’t bring a ball. We were really in the wild, no electricity, no toilet, no bed, no mobile phone or internet. If you are hungry, take your rod and get a fish. If you are thirsty, go to the lake and put your bottle in. If you are cold, make a fire.
“We had three guides with us to help, but if you are always together, in a two-man tent or eight hours a day in a two-man canoe – and we always rotated the pairings – then you have to speak to each other. I am convinced that the better you know your mate off the pitch, the more you are able to work for him on it in uncomfortable situations.
“They changed their borderlines over those three days. I can say now, three months later, that it was 100% success, and that is the feedback from the players, too.”
Wagner is no hollow sergeant‑major. He laughs a lot for a start and his approach is rooted in more than an ability to foster a strong esprit de corps. He has overseen the appointment of a nutritionist and a head of performance services and has had it written into players’ contracts that they must live within 15 miles of the club’s training ground because long commutes hinder recovery. These are basic measures for a man who spent five years gaining a degree in biology and sports science from Darmstadt University after finishing his playing career in 2005.
“Maybe I can say I lost my hunger for the football business so I decided to study to understand more about the science side,” he says of that career move. “Those were probably the hardest five years of my life, but I did it. After about two years, my hunger for football came back.”
Klopp, who is godfather to one of Wagner’s children, helped keep his hunger alive. “Jürgen said to me one day shortly before I did my last exam: ‘Listen, you were a professional footballer so when you get your exam, please do your Uefa pro licence, then you will have the three qualifications you need and all doors will be open for you to come back into football.’”
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That is what Wagner did, but after completing his pro licence and running Hoffenheim’s under-19s for two years, he decided to go back to school. He was 18 months into the two years of practical work experience required to qualify as a teacher in Germany when, in 2011, Klopp asked him to coach Dortmund’s second team. “I had a few discussions at home,” says Wagner. “Then I decided to take the job.”
He thrived at it for four years, taking Dortmund II to the third tier of German football while playing the exhilarating style that Huddersfield’s chairman, Dean Hoyle, would eventually ask him to transplant to Yorkshire.
“The main part of the style here is exactly what we had in Dortmund,” says Wagner. “We have had to adapt some things to the English environment. For example, referees here do not blow their whistles as much so there are fewer breaks in the game and players get more tired around 70 minutes. Maybe sometimes we have to keep the ball more rather than go for another goal even if you might then concede an equaliser.”
Mostly, however, Huddersfield play like a whirlwind. The exciting style was one of the reasons why the club sold a record number of season tickets this summer, more than 15,000 (the other reason was that Hoyle slashed prices). In August, the club enjoyed its highest attendance on an opening day for 46 years and 18,479 fans were thrilled to witness evidence that Wagner’s pre-season had paid off as Huddersfield avenged their heavy loss on the final day of last season by beating Brentford 2-1.
That fine start to the campaign has continued. Huddersfield even won 2-1 at Melwood last week when Klopp invited them to play a friendly behind closed doors against Liverpool players who were not on international duty.
The question now is whether Huddersfield can sustain their all-action style over a 46-match league campaign without a winter break. “There’s no reason why not,” says Wagner. “The important thing is to find the right balance between intensity and recovery and everybody knows I have no problem with rotation.” But Wagner reiterates: “There are a lot of different areas where we have to go forward to be a proper professional football club and we are only at the start of his journey.”
He adds: “But we can enjoy our start and be confident as we go into the biggest game of our season, against Leeds United. It’s not just a derby, for us it’s the derby.” Wagner reckons March’s 4-1 win at Elland Road could be the highlight of his reign so far. “We will do our best to make our fans celebrate again,” says a man who is changing his club’s identity, but not too much.
Were already in big trouble, I would appoint Warnock, if he was in place by the Wolves game I'm convinced we would win that game and he would guide us to a comfortable final position, got to act decisively or I fear for us.What would he do about our central midfield? That is the main problem and we don't have the players. Current management's fault for not addressing properly in the summer but can't fix until January now.
well you would try a 3 with a certain amount of legs and that may mean a kid
Were already in big trouble, I would appoint Warnock, if he was in place by the Wolves game I'm convinced we would win that game and he would guideWhat would he do about our central midfield? That is the main problem and we don't have the players. Current management's fault for not addressing properly in the summer but can't fix until January now.
us to a comfortable final position, got to act decisively or I fear for us.
well you would try a 3 with a certain amount of legs and that may mean a kid
So perhaps Jedinak, Tsishbola and "a kid".
Were already in big trouble, I would appoint Warnock, if he was in place by the Wolves game I'm convinced we would win that game and he would guide us to a comfortable final position, got to act decisively or I fear for us.What would he do about our central midfield? That is the main problem and we don't have the players. Current management's fault for not addressing properly in the summer but can't fix until January now.
Hughton or Dyche for me. Can't believe the clamour for Rowett. Five bad games and the nutters would be on his back straight away
Hughton or Dyche for me. Can't believe the clamour for Rowett. Five bad games and the nutters would be on his back straight away
dyche? really?
leave the pl and come to a side in the bottom 6 a division lower hhhmmm
How about appointing 'The Class Of '92.' ? They all have some experience of coaching and running a football club and we would be guaranteed to be given our own TV documentary.
Oh, in that case it has to Guardiola for me or Klopp.
Hughton or Dyche for me. Can't believe the clamour for Rowett. Five bad games and the nutters would be on his back straight away
dyche? really?
leave the pl and come to a side in the bottom 6 a division lower hhhmmm
I didn't say it was likely!
Hughton or Dyche for me. Can't believe the clamour for Rowett. Five bad games and the nutters would be on his back straight away
dyche? really?
leave the pl and come to a side in the bottom 6 a division lower hhhmmm
I didn't say it was likely!
Anyone but RDM, Pulis or Pearson. I'd even take Warnock or Mick McfuckingCarthy right now. That's how bad it is.
Voted Hughton, but would be happy to see Warnock come in. For those who disagree, fair enough, but this lot wouldn't want to step back in the dressing room after a first half like today if he was waiting for you, pissed off.
Alladyce? Warnock? Bruce? - I won't be here if any of these jokers breeze in.
Hughton is the best of a bad choice.
"the long lust" - yeah, you're right there; we're bursting to continue the downward trajectory.Alladyce? Warnock? Bruce? - I won't be here if any of these jokers breeze in.
Hughton is the best of a bad choice.
and yet people still trot out the same old dreary names,
multi millionaires who have won vurtually nothing in the game who don't give a fuck about the club just how much pay off they will get when they join the long lust of failures
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Alladyce? Warnock? Bruce? - I won't be here if any of these jokers breeze in.
Hughton is the best of a bad choice.
Hughton or Dyche for me. Can't believe the clamour for Rowett. Five bad games and the nutters would be on his back straight away
dyche? really?
leave the pl and come to a side in the bottom 6 a division lower hhhmmm
I didn't say it was likely!
nurse!
I'd take Rowett, but I think he'd tell us where to go. So I'd settle for Dean Smith. He can't be worse than the current dimwit, can he?
Rowett would crawl over broken glass to escape that lot and manage the Villa.
I'm not so sure about that. Firstly, he seems bright enough to understand the inherent pitfalls involved in crossing the city; secondly, he probably has enough faith in his ability to believe he can get a job of equal stature elsewhere.
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
And why bloody not?
Probably the best team ive seen at VP so far
I'm sick of being linked with the usual dinosaurs.
How about giving a Villa fan a go whose career is definitely on the up.
I'd take Rowett, but I think he'd tell us where to go. So I'd settle for Dean Smith. He can't be worse than the current dimwit, can he?
Rowett would crawl over broken glass to escape that lot and manage the Villa.
I'm not so sure about that. Firstly, he seems bright enough to understand the inherent pitfalls involved in crossing the city; secondly, he probably has enough faith in his ability to believe he can get a job of equal stature elsewhere.
If you ever have the misfortune of working behind the scenes at the Sty, it would take one nanosecond to understand the gulf between our institutions.
Rowett would be gone like a shot.
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
And why bloody not?
Probably the best team ive seen at VP so far
I'm sick of being linked with the usual dinosaurs.
How about giving a Villa fan a go whose career is definitely on the up.
I'd love him as our manager but the job is way too big for him.
Alladyce? Warnock? Bruce? - I won't be here if any of these jokers breeze in.
Hughton is the best of a bad choice.
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
And why bloody not?
Probably the best team ive seen at VP so far
I'm sick of being linked with the usual dinosaurs.
How about giving a Villa fan a go whose career is definitely on the up.
I'd love him as our manager but the job is way too big for him.
I know things are Superbad when I start thinking that Warnock could sort us out.^^^^^^^^
And that time is right now folks.
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
And why bloody not?
Probably the best team ive seen at VP so far
I'm sick of being linked with the usual dinosaurs.
How about giving a Villa fan a go whose career is definitely on the up.
I'd love him as our manager but the job is way too big for him.
Why do you say that? Maybe he's exactly what we need..?
Alladyce? Warnock? Bruce? - I won't be here if any of these jokers breeze in.
Hughton is the best of a bad choice.
I wouldn't want Warnock, but would grudgingly accept the other two. It's a step we have needed to make to address the malaise at the club for a number of years now, but have skirted round the issue with makeweight appointments.
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
And why bloody not?
Probably the best team ive seen at VP so far
I'm sick of being linked with the usual dinosaurs.
How about giving a Villa fan a go whose career is definitely on the up.
I'd love him as our manager but the job is way too big for him.
Why do you say that? Maybe he's exactly what we need..?
The biggest job he's had is Brentford. He was a lower divisions player. He's a great bloke, he's doing well but I can't see being doing what we need now. He's Turner and we need Taylor.
Neil Warnock at Villa park? I realise we have fallen a long way, but for f**ks sake that would do if for me.Can I ask why? He is completely proven at this level
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
And why bloody not?
Probably the best team ive seen at VP so far
I'm sick of being linked with the usual dinosaurs.
How about giving a Villa fan a go whose career is definitely on the up.
I'd love him as our manager but the job is way too big for him.
Neil Warnock at Villa park? I realise we have fallen a long way, but for f**ks sake that would do if for me.Can I ask why? He is completely proven at this level
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
And why bloody not?
Probably the best team ive seen at VP so far
I'm sick of being linked with the usual dinosaurs.
How about giving a Villa fan a go whose career is definitely on the up.
I'd love him as our manager but the job is way too big for him.
To be quite honest Dave, we as a club are sinking lower and lower. I love Villa with all my heart like everyone on here. I put them in front of most things in my life.
It would be a great story but I probably agree with you.
We"re sinking though. Look what was happening to Marc Albrighton while Smith brought little Brentford to VP and for 1 hour outplayed us.
I think we"d ruin him. Not the other way round. Why manage this mess when you can continue your career on an upward curve.
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
And why bloody not?
Probably the best team ive seen at VP so far
I'm sick of being linked with the usual dinosaurs.
How about giving a Villa fan a go whose career is definitely on the up.
I'd love him as our manager but the job is way too big for him.
Why do you say that? Maybe he's exactly what we need..?
The biggest job he's had is Brentford. He was a lower divisions player. He's a great bloke, he's doing well but I can't see being doing what we need now. He's Turner and we need Taylor.
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
And why bloody not?
Probably the best team ive seen at VP so far
I'm sick of being linked with the usual dinosaurs.
How about giving a Villa fan a go whose career is definitely on the up.
I'd love him as our manager but the job is way too big for him.
Why do you say that? Maybe he's exactly what we need..?
The biggest job he's had is Brentford. He was a lower divisions player. He's a great bloke, he's doing well but I can't see being doing what we need now. He's Turner and we need Taylor.
Well yes, quite. We tried a 21st century version of Taylor with Lambert. Remind us how that worked out again? I can't see a problem with Smith, under the circumstances.
Because we are Aston Villa, not Palace, or Sheffield United. Warnock may know how to compete "at this level" but we need a manager to get us out of this league and beyond. I honestly thought RDM was that man, and he still may be. But I would be embarrassed if Neil Warnock was appointed as Villa manager. From the list above I would only consider Dean Smith.Neil Warnock at Villa park? I realise we have fallen a long way, but for f**ks sake that would do if for me.Can I ask why? He is completely proven at this level
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
And why bloody not?
Probably the best team ive seen at VP so far
I'm sick of being linked with the usual dinosaurs.
How about giving a Villa fan a go whose career is definitely on the up.
I'd love him as our manager but the job is way too big for him.
To be quite honest Dave, we as a club are sinking lower and lower. I love Villa with all my heart like everyone on here. I put them in front of most things in my life.
It would be a great story but I probably agree with you.
We"re sinking though. Look what was happening to Marc Albrighton while Smith brought little Brentford to VP and for 1 hour outplayed us.
I think we"d ruin him. Not the other way round. Why manage this mess when you can continue your career on an upward curve.
Who wouldn't outplay us now?
Honestly, I seriously think at the moment,on form we're in the worst three teams in this league.
No desire at all to ever see Warnock as manager. I realize things are bad but fuck me, Neil bastard Warnock? Suggesting Steve Bruce has given me ulcers let alone someone like Warnock who is best now a surivival merchant but will never be big enough for a club like us. And I mean that as arrogantly as it sounds despite our current predicament.
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
And why bloody not?
Probably the best team ive seen at VP so far
I'm sick of being linked with the usual dinosaurs.
How about giving a Villa fan a go whose career is definitely on the up.
I'd love him as our manager but the job is way too big for him.
Why do you say that? Maybe he's exactly what we need..?
The biggest job he's had is Brentford. He was a lower divisions player. He's a great bloke, he's doing well but I can't see being doing what we need now. He's Turner and we need Taylor.
Well yes, quite. We tried a 21st century version of Taylor with Lambert. Remind us how that worked out again? I can't see a problem with Smith, under the circumstances.
No desire at all to ever see Warnock as manager. I realize things are bad but fuck me, Neil bastard Warnock? Suggesting Steve Bruce has given me ulcers let alone someone like Warnock who is best now a surivival merchant but will never be big enough for a club like us. And I mean that as arrogantly as it sounds despite our current predicament.Sitting 19th in the Championship, isn't that what we need ?
No desire at all to ever see Warnock as manager. I realize things are bad but fuck me, Neil bastard Warnock? Suggesting Steve Bruce has given me ulcers let alone someone like Warnock who is best now a surivival merchant but will never be big enough for a club like us. And I mean that as arrogantly as it sounds despite our current predicament.
I'm the same. Warnock? FFS. Potatohead? We need to get rid of Peanuthead first. Despite still being extremely pissed off, I'm going to try and enjoy what's left of the weekend. I still remember, far back, when the Villa didn't ruin my weekends, now it seems the norm. I really wish I didn't care.
No desire at all to ever see Warnock as manager. I realize things are bad but fuck me, Neil bastard Warnock? Suggesting Steve Bruce has given me ulcers let alone someone like Warnock who is best now a surivival merchant but will never be big enough for a club like us. And I mean that as arrogantly as it sounds despite our current predicament.Sitting 19th in the Championship, isn't that what we need ?
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he get QPR and Palace promoted to the PremNo desire at all to ever see Warnock as manager. I realize things are bad but fuck me, Neil bastard Warnock? Suggesting Steve Bruce has given me ulcers let alone someone like Warnock who is best now a surivival merchant but will never be big enough for a club like us. And I mean that as arrogantly as it sounds despite our current predicament.Sitting 19th in the Championship, isn't that what we need ?
I have no doubt he could come in and get us a couple of wins to get us to 14th. Then what? We're stuck with him being massively average for the rest of the season. Sorry, not interested.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he get QPR and Palace promoted to the PremNo desire at all to ever see Warnock as manager. I realize things are bad but fuck me, Neil bastard Warnock? Suggesting Steve Bruce has given me ulcers let alone someone like Warnock who is best now a surivival merchant but will never be big enough for a club like us. And I mean that as arrogantly as it sounds despite our current predicament.Sitting 19th in the Championship, isn't that what we need ?
I have no doubt he could come in and get us a couple of wins to get us to 14th. Then what? We're stuck with him being massively average for the rest of the season. Sorry, not interested.
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
And why bloody not?
Probably the best team ive seen at VP so far
I'm sick of being linked with the usual dinosaurs.
How about giving a Villa fan a go whose career is definitely on the up.
I'd love him as our manager but the job is way too big for him.
Why do you say that? Maybe he's exactly what we need..?
The biggest job he's had is Brentford. He was a lower divisions player. He's a great bloke, he's doing well but I can't see being doing what we need now. He's Turner and we need Taylor.
Dean Smith ..... Villa fan ...has passion ..... done excellent job at Walsall and Brentford
Smith is Villa through and through. Plus Brentford made us look like donkeys at VP.
And why bloody not?
Probably the best team ive seen at VP so far
I'm sick of being linked with the usual dinosaurs.
How about giving a Villa fan a go whose career is definitely on the up.
I'd love him as our manager but the job is way too big for him.
Why do you say that? Maybe he's exactly what we need..?
The biggest job he's had is Brentford. He was a lower divisions player. He's a great bloke, he's doing well but I can't see being doing what we need now. He's Turner and we need Taylor.
Well yes, quite. We tried a 21st century version of Taylor with Lambert. Remind us how that worked out again? I can't see a problem with Smith, under the circumstances.
Taylor had a far longer and better top flight record than Lambert did before he arrived at Villa.
Lambert is nothing like Taylor. Sir Graham took a fourth division club to the Uefa cup and never finished below 12th in 5 seasons including a runners up. Lambert had one season in the top league. Not tested at all.
Lambert is nothing like Taylor. Sir Graham took a fourth division club to the Uefa cup and never finished below 12th in 5 seasons including a runners up. Lambert had one season in the top league. Not tested at all.
So if we need another Taylor who might that be..?
Lambert is nothing like Taylor. Sir Graham took a fourth division club to the Uefa cup and never finished below 12th in 5 seasons including a runners up. Lambert had one season in the top league. Not tested at all.
So if we need another Taylor who might that be..?
No idea, can't think of any English manager that matches the pedigree Sir Graham had.
Eddie Howe maybe but his record doesn't match Sir Graham.
Eddie Howe maybe but his record doesn't match Sir Graham.
And he's only going up not down. Plus he only has the same pedigree as Lambert at the moment.
Eddie Howe maybe but his record doesn't match Sir Graham.
And he's only going up not down. Plus he only has the same pedigree as Lambert at the moment.
So was Sir Graham.
I agree that it's extremely unlikely he'd come, just that he's about as close to a SGT type that there is at present.
The best thing aboit Howe is hes the spitting image of Gary Gardner so could play in his place.Eddie Howe maybe but his record doesn't match Sir Graham.
And he's only going up not down. Plus he only has the same pedigree as Lambert at the moment.
So was Sir Graham.
I'd kill for Howe at this point in time.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he get QPR and Palace promoted to the Prem
Why are we talking about managers currently managing Premier League clubs? They are not going to drop a division to manage in the Championship Has that ever happened ??No but Two Millions pounds a year is very persuasive.
Houllier
Mcleish
Lambert
Sherwood
Garde
RDM
Houllier
Mcleish
Lambert
Sherwood
Garde
RDM
Would I be correct in stating that not one of those is working as a manager right now? Aston Villa job - career killer. They all start positively, they all end with the manager looking ill and/or resembling a tramp
the next one will definitely get it right.
Houllier
Mcleish
Lambert
Sherwood
Garde
RDM
Would I be correct in stating that not one of those is working as a manager right now? Aston Villa job - career killer. They all start positively, they all end with the manager looking ill and/or resembling a tramp
the next one will definitely get it right.
It's been such a poison chalice, you do wonder if the more promising guys would take it.
Neil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
Neil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
Totes, as the kids sayNeil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
RDM is young. He's also shit.
John Gregory!?!
Neil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Careful now TV I get mullered on here for saying something similar about King and Bernstein.
John Gregory!?!
He's 62, crap as a manager for years and stepped from his last job due to health issues.
I voted for Mancini because he's the only one on that list that would represent a statement of intent. I'm sick of all the pussyfooting, I want to see us throwing our weight around now and letting the rest of this shitty division know that we have no plans to stick around. Obviously there are no guarantees in football, but sticking a world class manager in charge is as near a guarantee of promotion as we'll get. I'll be staggered if Benitez doesn't take Newcastle back up in May, absolutely staggered; he's not there to piss about, he's not a Championship manager and he knows it, everything about them says that they fully expect and intend to win this thing. I want to see us have that swagger as well. I don't know why we don't.
I want to see Villa acting like the big club we are. I want to see us go out and pay someone to step down a level or two to return us to our rightful place and then take us forward. I'm sick of us taking punts on the next big thing; Rowett and Smith are both doing fine but they'd be the next Lambert - we've seen what happens, they come in bright-eyed and fearless and within months they're pale and haunted and spending half their wages on Grecian 2000. They'll be chewed up and spat out. I don't want a hopeful, I don't want hope, I've had more than enough hope, hope can fuck off. I want the next person to be someone who turns up at Villa Park knowing that they are going to get us promoted. Not hoping, knowing. Not some chancer, or a youngster who's grateful to be here, some famous impressive bastard who's been there and done it. And I couldn't give a toss where he's come from or whether he supports us either. I just want someone whose arrival, from the second he walks in the door, tells the fans, the media and the rest of the league that he's here to sort out this mess and take us back where we belong.
Bollocks to all the bitter fans of our smaller rivals, with their whinging about us trying to buy the league, with their joy that we're off to such a bad start, I'd like to see us say yes, we are absolutely trying to buy ourselves out of this mess, because we can, because we should, because a club of our size and status shouldn't be twatting about in this dump with you lot. I want us to be utter bastards, ruthless bastards who turn up and swat away the tinpot outfits who try and take us on. If that's cocky and arrogant then good, we could do with a massive dose of that.
And bollocks to those who might think what I've said is delusional: Newcastle have got Benitez, so if the money is there why in the name of buggery shouldn't we be able to attract someone at least his equal? What have they got that we haven't? Are Champions League-quality managers only attracted to clubs where none of the fans owns a coat? Where they can see an impressive array of moobs in the stand? I don't believe that there is absolutely no one out there who might drop a division to come to us. I don't think that's delusional. I'll tell you what's delusional, the hope of seeing a teamsheet without a Hutton on it, or a driving run from Westwood, or a solid defensive display, that's delusional. That's the reality, and it's shit, absolutely fucking shit.
I'm not normally one for the "We're Aston Villa" schtick, I usually find it meaningless and mildly embarrassing, but we've reached a point where I think it's appropriate. We have no divine right to success, but we are huge and important. We may as well think big now or settle for a lifetime of this rubbish.
And bollocks to those who might think what I've said is delusional: Newcastle have got Benitez, so if the money is there why in the name of buggery shouldn't we be able to attract someone at least his equal? What have they got that we haven't? Are Champions League-quality managers only attracted to clubs where none of the fans owns a coat?Haha... how easily you forget that Dr Xia appointed a Champions League winner manager??
So Chinchilla votes for Warnock then.
And bollocks to those who might think what I've said is delusional: Newcastle have got Benitez, so if the money is there why in the name of buggery shouldn't we be able to attract someone at least his equal? What have they got that we haven't? Are Champions League-quality managers only attracted to clubs where none of the fans owns a coat?Haha... how easily you forget that Dr Xia appointed a Champions League winner manager??
Neil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
Neil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Careful now TV I get mullered on here for saying something similar about King and Bernstein.
Neil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
1) Let's never again compare Wenger to Warnock, or even just put them in the same sentence. 2) I wouldn't want Wenger starting a rescue a job on us at the age of 66.
The point was you implied 67 was too old for football management, it isn'tNeil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
1) Let's never again compare Wenger to Warnock, or even just put them in the same sentence. 2) I wouldn't want Wenger starting a rescue a job on us at the age of 66.
Neil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
1) Let's never again compare Wenger to Warnock, or even just put them in the same sentence. 2) I wouldn't want Wenger starting a rescue a job on us at the age of 66.The point was you implied 67 was too old for football management, it isn'tNeil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
1) Let's never again compare Wenger to Warnock, or even just put them in the same sentence. 2) I wouldn't want Wenger starting a rescue a job on us at the age of 66.
Neil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
1) Let's never again compare Wenger to Warnock, or even just put them in the same sentence. 2) I wouldn't want Wenger starting a rescue a job on us at the age of 66.The point was you implied 67 was too old for football management, it isn'tNeil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
1) Let's never again compare Wenger to Warnock, or even just put them in the same sentence. 2) I wouldn't want Wenger starting a rescue a job on us at the age of 66.
And the point I made is that I don't a 67 year old bloke with a very patchy career taking on our job as it is right now for any number of reasons. One of which in my opinion is that we need someone with a lot more energy, career drive and ambition to get us going again.
Neil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
1) Let's never again compare Wenger to Warnock, or even just put them in the same sentence. 2) I wouldn't want Wenger starting a rescue a job on us at the age of 66.The point was you implied 67 was too old for football management, it isn'tNeil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
1) Let's never again compare Wenger to Warnock, or even just put them in the same sentence. 2) I wouldn't want Wenger starting a rescue a job on us at the age of 66.
And the point I made is that I don't a 67 year old bloke with a very patchy career taking on our job as it is right now for any number of reasons. One of which in my opinion is that we need someone with a lot more energy, career drive and ambition to get us going again.
I think Neil Warnock's age is about as irrelevant as Adolf Hitler's side parting. He has far more relevant defects.
We're not sitting pretty mid table , not quite being where we should be, we're 2 points off the relegation spots with no signs ofNeil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
1) Let's never again compare Wenger to Warnock, or even just put them in the same sentence. 2) I wouldn't want Wenger starting a rescue a job on us at the age of 66.The point was you implied 67 was too old for football management, it isn'tNeil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
1) Let's never again compare Wenger to Warnock, or even just put them in the same sentence. 2) I wouldn't want Wenger starting a rescue a job on us at the age of 66.
And the point I made is that I don't a 67 year old bloke with a very patchy career taking on our job as it is right now for any number of reasons. One of which in my opinion is that we need someone with a lot more energy, career drive and ambition to get us going again.
Horrible rumours of McClaren circulating.😦
It's in the Albert Hall I believe.Neil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
1) Let's never again compare Wenger to Warnock, or even just put them in the same sentence. 2) I wouldn't want Wenger starting a rescue a job on us at the age of 66.The point was you implied 67 was too old for football management, it isn'tNeil Warnock is 67 years old. We don't need a bloke very much at the tail end of his career taking on this job. He might have had the energy for this 10-15 years ago. He is not what we need now.Wengers 66
1) Let's never again compare Wenger to Warnock, or even just put them in the same sentence. 2) I wouldn't want Wenger starting a rescue a job on us at the age of 66.
And the point I made is that I don't a 67 year old bloke with a very patchy career taking on our job as it is right now for any number of reasons. One of which in my opinion is that we need someone with a lot more energy, career drive and ambition to get us going again.
I think Neil Warnock's age is about as irrelevant as Adolf Hitler's side parting. He has far more relevant defects.
Are you saying Neil Warnock's only got one ball?!
"This job is going to need a confident, almost arrogant manager with unflappable self belief who everyone respects. "
Wasn't that Sherwood?
The Rangers manager wouldn't be a bad shout.
As you can see I have nothing like the points of some earlier posters, yet here is my take on the 'noise' on this subject.....Just sack the tosser.
It isn't about one man, or replacing him/her with another. There is a selection process and criteria / performance measures that have to be put in place when there is so much at stake. (hard cash, plus the clubs reputation / history whatever). Presumably these are in place now and the appointed mgt team are measured against them. It would be highly unlikely for any triggers (sic) to apply after 10 or so games. Ridiculously expensive to change things too early. Might be a view that the season should run out and then there is a measurement point or adjustment (i.e. change as necessary).
The set up and flow through of talent goes much deeper than whether we are 433 this week, have scouted the opposition, selected player a or b again despite the fans vitriol / preference, manager is clued up or clueless (highly subjective). There needs to be a whole programme that runs for maybe 3 years (to say turn u21s into '24s'). There is a board reporting to the chairman with significant football experience who will know this and are working towards building a design of club, ethos, way we play etc. for the long term.
There was a real problem with the attitudes last season, and super progress was made in the close season in weeding out, letting contracts run off, selling off or retiring most of them. (couple left I know but at least they are out of the way.) Maybe some of the new recruits were a bit hastily selected, and certainly not cheaply, not a bad holding pattern for now, gotta work them harder with systems and tactics.
That's my take so far, like most posters would love to see Villa straight back up, realistically it isn't going to happen yet, and throwing money at it so soon isn't the answer.
I'd prefer Fat Sam but too much shit around him at the moment so Bruce for me.
OkWeve actually got rid of some of our better players this summer, the total shite still remain, and i dont think i need to name them.
A lot depends how deeply you believe we are in the mire. After all, we may soon click or gel and go storming up the table.
If you are less sanguine however, then Colin is most assuredly a candidate, hypothetically.
In practice, Tony would never appoint Colin, and is more likely to go for Sven or Glen.
I'd prefer Fat Sam but too much shit around him at the moment so Bruce for me.
My thoughts excately. Rowet could do a good job too but its highly unlikely he would leave the Blues for us right now sadly. If we made a change right now we just need a steady pair of hands with experience and some personality to motivate this useless bunch. Think Bruce at least for awhile could get us heading the right direction.
There was a real problem with the attitudes last season, and super progress was made in the close season in weeding out, letting contracts run off, selling off or retiring most of them. (couple left I know but at least they are out of the way.) Maybe some of the new recruits were a bit hastily selected, and certainly not cheaply, not a bad holding pattern for now, gotta work them harder with systems and tactics.
I'd prefer Fat Sam but too much shit around him at the moment so Bruce for me.
My thoughts excately. Rowet could do a good job too but its highly unlikely he would leave the Blues for us right now sadly. If we made a change right now we just need a steady pair of hands with experience and some personality to motivate this useless bunch. Think Bruce at least for awhile could get us heading the right direction.
I disagree, I think he would walk barefoot over broken glass to come here. I just don't think he's done remotely enough to prove that he's the man we need. He's having a very similar start to last season,which nosedived (pun intended) significantly. He's nowhere near ready to take on a big club, likewise Smith at Brentford.
None of them on the bench ever look arsed. I don't want the staged theatrics of a Sherwood, but it's not too much to ask that the management look remotely interested in what's going on in front of them.
Pretty much every single manager in the division with the exception of Benitez would be taking on a squad with significantly more ability and potential to the one they would be leaving behind. It's set up for the right bloke. If we are willing to pay the kind of money we did for RM and Kodjia then we should be willing to make the required investment in getting in the right manager.
None of them on the bench ever look arsed. I don't want the staged theatrics of a Sherwood, but it's not too much to ask that the management look remotely interested in what's going on in front of them.
Any ideas?Pretty much every single manager in the division with the exception of Benitez would be taking on a squad with significantly more ability and potential to the one they would be leaving behind. It's set up for the right bloke. If we are willing to pay the kind of money we did for RM and Kodjia then we should be willing to make the required investment in getting in the right manager.
Exactly right. There's no point at all spending fortunes on players and then putting Frank Spencer in the dugout. A good manager will get us up, so we need to find one and pay him whatever it costs.
Any ideas?Pretty much every single manager in the division with the exception of Benitez would be taking on a squad with significantly more ability and potential to the one they would be leaving behind. It's set up for the right bloke. If we are willing to pay the kind of money we did for RM and Kodjia then we should be willing to make the required investment in getting in the right manager.
Exactly right. There's no point at all spending fortunes on players and then putting Frank Spencer in the dugout. A good manager will get us up, so we need to find one and pay him whatever it costs.
I keep wondering how good the players are though.Any ideas?Pretty much every single manager in the division with the exception of Benitez would be taking on a squad with significantly more ability and potential to the one they would be leaving behind. It's set up for the right bloke. If we are willing to pay the kind of money we did for RM and Kodjia then we should be willing to make the required investment in getting in the right manager.
Exactly right. There's no point at all spending fortunes on players and then putting Frank Spencer in the dugout. A good manager will get us up, so we need to find one and pay him whatever it costs.
None of them on the bench ever look arsed. I don't want the staged theatrics of a Sherwood, but it's not too much to ask that the management look remotely interested in what's going on in front of them.I saw a clip of Klopp the other day going nuts, fist punching, proper excited. When the camera panned out and they showed the clip again he was celebrating a crunching tackle near the centre circle and not a goal.
Agree, dodgy goalkeeper, suspect centre half, no one of any use in central midfield.I keep wondering how good the players are though.Any ideas?Pretty much every single manager in the division with the exception of Benitez would be taking on a squad with significantly more ability and potential to the one they would be leaving behind. It's set up for the right bloke. If we are willing to pay the kind of money we did for RM and Kodjia then we should be willing to make the required investment in getting in the right manager.
Exactly right. There's no point at all spending fortunes on players and then putting Frank Spencer in the dugout. A good manager will get us up, so we need to find one and pay him whatever it costs.
Apparently we're considering Steve McLaren as a replacement for RDM according to the B'ham/ Daily Mail! ....and I thought things couldn't get any worse! Bruce is the obvious choice.Bruce is the obvious choice.But then again I was fully in the Pearson camp
None of them on the bench ever look arsed. I don't want the staged theatrics of a Sherwood, but it's not too much to ask that the management look remotely interested in what's going on in front of them.
Steve Bruce is the outstanding candidate for the short-term, get us up asap, fix. If a longer term vision is in place, Rowett would be my man.
We need someone who actually cares for Aston Villa, who actually gets Aston Villa. That man is Brian Little.No we don't nee someone who actually cares about the Villa. That's the fans job and we do emotion. We need someone who cares about himself, has self pride to perform and succeed as a coach, has talent to go with it and absolutely laser like focus to not give a fuck about anything/anyone else and most of all not any of the "washed out" names mentioned in this poll.
Percy tweeting that RDM will be gone within 48 hours....we go again
Telegraph Midlands writerPercy tweeting that RDM will be gone within 48 hours....we go again
Who is Percy?
Telegraph Midlands writerPercy tweeting that RDM will be gone within 48 hours....we go again
Who is Percy?
Telegraph Midlands writerPercy tweeting that RDM will be gone within 48 hours....we go again
Who is Percy?
Percy tweeting that RDM will be gone within 48 hours....we go again
Steve Round is currently on a Masters Degree course with Steve McClaren. Be careful what you wish for.
With sick almost in mouth, unless we can poach a world class manager, I think Bruce could steady the ship.
I agree Monty but who???
Steve Round is currently on a Masters Degree course with Steve McClaren. Be careful what you wish for.
Steve Round is currently on a Masters Degree course with Steve McClaren. Be careful what you wish for.
Who the Hell is wishing for McClown to come here?!
Not sure how he's doing with Espanyol or whether Tony Xia would want to pay compensation but a left field suggestion is Quique Sanchez Flores as he got Watford promoted.
Steve Round is currently on a Masters Degree course with Steve McClaren. Be careful what you wish for.
Who the Hell is wishing for McClown to come here?!
McClown and his agent probably. Idle speculation, ignore.
He'd get my vote over most of the links we're going to get. I'd like Tony to really show some ambition here and go for someone like Mancini. If FSW is happy to slog it out for millions in the championship, I reckon the decent Roberto could.Not sure how he's doing with Espanyol or whether Tony Xia would want to pay compensation but a left field suggestion is Quique Sanchez Flores as he got Watford promoted.
Would not be unhappy with that.
"This job is going to need a confident, almost arrogant manager with unflappable self belief who everyone respects. "
Wasn't that Sherwood?
Who respects Sherwood? Apart from himself.
Percy tweeting that RDM will be gone within 48 hours....we go again
My feeling is Dr Tony would go abroad again and go for a Garde Walter Zenga type left field option.
Wasn't it reported one of the reasons he favoured RDM over Pearson was that Di Matteo had better standing in the far east due to his playing career so we could appeal to Asia markets more easily.
I'm not sure he'll pick a British option...the Chinese lot at Wolves didn't. We'll soon find out.
I really believe that it doesn't matter who we get in tbh, somehow we'll still end up shit.Fix up mate that's losers talk!
I really believe that it doesn't matter who we get in tbh, somehow we'll still end up shit.Fix up mate that's losers talk!
Got a feeling he will want a 'name' known abroad.You would think/hope he will be guided by Wyness and Round
That might mean an ex international manager like Hodgson, Sven, Allardyce or McClaren (shudders), or someone who has won the Champs league again (no idea).
Maybe even a Dalglish or Keegan. Can see it being a wtf appointment though.
How do I modify the poll to add other names like Wagner, who seems an interesting option given what he's done so far at Huddersfield? Or even Pearson who I didn't even consider.
How do I modify the poll to add other names like Wagner, who seems an interesting option given what he's done so far at Huddersfield? Or even Pearson who I didn't even consider.
This bloke Wagner.....does he conduct himself well?
A Bruce or A Warnock? Is there several to choose from?I agree Monty but who???
I much prefer the Rowett option, though some of the reservations expressed here are valid. There are great managers out there, in Germany and France and Spain and so on. We need to stop thinking within this tiny box. A Bruce - or God help us a Warnock - is a panic appointment, a relegation-fighting appointment. It doesn't bespeak any sort of planning or ambition.
He was mad as a box of frogs on X factorHow do I modify the poll to add other names like Wagner, who seems an interesting option given what he's done so far at Huddersfield? Or even Pearson who I didn't even consider.
This bloke Wagner.....does he conduct himself well?
He had a very good career on the right wing.
How do I modify the poll to add other names like Wagner, who seems an interesting option given what he's done so far at Huddersfield? Or even Pearson who I didn't even consider.
Martinez?
How do I modify the poll to add other names like Wagner, who seems an interesting option given what he's done so far at Huddersfield? Or even Pearson who I didn't even consider.
I've added Wagner and the nutter.
The only manager I'd trust to sort our lot out would be bighead Allardyce based on what he managed with Sunderland last season - they were terrible and he turned them round. We need turning round big style. I don't care about the style of football and we can get rid should we ever grace the Premiership again.
Martinez?
He's manager of Belgium. He's hardly leaving that to come to us. And quite frankly him and RDM are cut from the same cloth/ Talk a great game, wear nice suits, deliver next to nothing.
The sun saying Lee Johnson is one candidate
Allardyce of all the choices would be the best suited to get us out of this situation and promoted this season. Unfortunately he's a money grabbing, morally corrupt prick where this isn't his only indiscretion of this type...allegedly.
really? They look shit this season - not Villa levels of shit, granted, but shit. And he has absolutely no experience of the Championship.
The only manager I'd trust to sort our lot out would be bighead Allardyce based on what he managed with Sunderland last season - they were terrible and he turned them round. We need turning round big style. I don't care about the style of football and we can get rid should we ever grace the Premiership again.
I agree. He's got the kind of ego needed to manage a club like Villa and would come wanting to prove a point. I keep hearing about style of football, but to actually have a style would be an improvement on the shapeless mess we have seen over the past few years.
really?
http://www.footballinsider247.com/fans-call-47-year-old-make-aston-villa-return-twitter/?
really? They look shit this season - not Villa levels of shit, granted, but shit. And he has absolutely no experience of the Championship.
Could that be put down to the problems in the new stadium though? It like they've played every game away from home.
really? They look shit this season - not Villa levels of shit, granted, but shit. And he has absolutely no experience of the Championship.
Could that be put down to the problems in the new stadium though? It like they've played every game away from home.
really?
http://www.footballinsider247.com/fans-call-47-year-old-make-aston-villa-return-twitter/?
No, when they say that Villa fans are desperate for a return of Sherwood it actually means no Villa fans are desperate to see him as again, and that if he came back to even watch us we'd put fireworks in his underpants to launch him from the stadium.
The only manager I'd trust to sort our lot out would be bighead Allardyce based on what he managed with Sunderland last season - they were terrible and he turned them round. We need turning round big style. I don't care about the style of football and we can get rid should we ever grace the Premiership again.
I agree. He's got the kind of ego needed to manage a club like Villa and would come wanting to prove a point. I keep hearing about style of football, but to actually have a style would be an improvement on the shapeless mess we have seen over the past few years.
He is still likely to get further punishment from his latest indiscretions so is not an option. That's without taking into account the fact that he's a fucking twat.
We do need a personality I think. Our problems are principally mental and we need a manager with a sound plan and the cuts pan to stick to it
I fucking hate allardyce. He'd get us up in a year or two, but I'd rather I tea someone I didn't really despise
Not sure how he's doing with Espanyol or whether Tony Xia would want to pay compensation but a left field suggestion is Quique Sanchez Flores as he got Watford promoted.
really?
http://www.footballinsider247.com/fans-call-47-year-old-make-aston-villa-return-twitter/?
No, when they say that Villa fans are desperate for a return of Sherwood it actually means no Villa fans are desperate to see him as again, and that if he came back to even watch us we'd put fireworks in his underpants to launch him from the stadium.
That is some crazy, bat shit mental, parallel universe shizzle. Some of those must be Blose fans on a wind up? Or just pure fabrication?
The only manager I'd trust to sort our lot out would be bighead Allardyce based on what he managed with Sunderland last season - they were terrible and he turned them round. We need turning round big style. I don't care about the style of football and we can get rid should we ever grace the Premiership again.
I agree. He's got the kind of ego needed to manage a club like Villa and would come wanting to prove a point. I keep hearing about style of football, but to actually have a style would be an improvement on the shapeless mess we have seen over the past few years.
He is still likely to get further punishment from his latest indiscretions so is not an option. That's without taking into account the fact that he's a fucking twat.
Unless I'm missing something, he didn't actually do anything wrong this time did he, unless of course being nasty about Roy Hodgson and saying Wembley was too expensive are considered punishable offences. We need a big character, as it is a very difficult job.
The only manager I'd trust to sort our lot out would be bighead Allardyce based on what he managed with Sunderland last season - they were terrible and he turned them round. We need turning round big style. I don't care about the style of football and we can get rid should we ever grace the Premiership again.
I agree. He's got the kind of ego needed to manage a club like Villa and would come wanting to prove a point. I keep hearing about style of football, but to actually have a style would be an improvement on the shapeless mess we have seen over the past few years.
He is still likely to get further punishment from his latest indiscretions so is not an option. That's without taking into account the fact that he's a fucking twat.
Unless I'm missing something, he didn't actually do anything wrong this time did he, unless of course being nasty about Roy Hodgson and saying Wembley was too expensive are considered punishable offences. We need a big character, as it is a very difficult job.
He was offering to advise, for a fee, on how to get around FA rules while being employed by the same organisation as England manager. So, not only is he untrustworthy but has the arrogance to believe he can get away with it. Grade A twat.
Not sure how he's doing with Espanyol or whether Tony Xia would want to pay compensation but a left field suggestion is Quique Sanchez Flores as he got Watford promoted.
No he didn't.
If Billic is leaving Westham (as is rumoured today) I'd bite your arm off.
Matt Law is suggesting Steve Round is a big fan of David Wagner at Huddersfield. Can't say I've ever heard of him till today though it's obvious he's done a decent job at Huddersfield so far.
We do need a personality I think. Our problems are principally mental and we need a manager with a sound plan and the cuts pan to stick to it
I fucking hate allardyce. He'd get us up in a year or two, but I'd rather I tea someone I didn't really despise
Agreed PWS a lot of a risk. I still think Bruce is the safe, easy and actually logical option. Promoted how many times?
'Safe' could also mean 'unimaginative', and Christ knows that's been us in every way in recent years. I'm fed up of safe, of dreary failure. Wagner is fresh air, new ideas, not afraid, not one of the sodding old boys network.
'Safe' could also mean 'unimaginative', and Christ knows that's been us in every way in recent years. I'm fed up of safe, of dreary failure. Wagner is fresh air, new ideas, not afraid, not one of the sodding old boys network.
'Safe' could also mean 'unimaginative', and Christ knows that's been us in every way in recent years. I'm fed up of safe, of dreary failure. Wagner is fresh air, new ideas, not afraid, not one of the sodding old boys network.
'Safe' could also mean 'unimaginative', and Christ knows that's been us in every way in recent years. I'm fed up of safe, of dreary failure. Wagner is fresh air, new ideas, not afraid, not one of the sodding old boys network.
And his team played us off the park second half at VP earlier this season. We were lucky to draw
can any one tell me what style of play Steve Bruce plays
He's been a manager for years and I still can't tell
I'm hearing RDM has gone.
any thoughts about going to Iceland?
I'm hearing RDM has gone.
any thoughts about going to Iceland?
Cheap frozen food, low in price, high in calories.
any thoughts about going to Iceland?
Cheap frozen food, low in price, high in calories.
I'm hearing RDM has gone.U
Yes, I've been reading Twitter as well.
Has anybody suggested Roy Hodgson?
If not, can I suggest Roy Hodgson?
Has anybody suggested Roy Hodgson?
If not, can I suggest Roy Hodgson?
No you can't. And put that cooking sherry back in the cupboard.
Stale Solbakken
Stale Solbakken
Is that the bald fella who was comical at Wolves a few years ago?
Has anybody suggested Roy Hodgson?
If not, can I suggest Roy Hodgson?
I agree that the managers themselves haven't necessarily been safe options - although I think Lambert was definitely the obvious option at the time - but they've all played football that's safe at best and unimaginative at worst (with the exception of Sherwood, who's just an anomalous person in general). Bruce will play that football, the kind that's definitely had its day, and I wasn't no more of it.
We need something to gee up the club. I don't want 'stability', because stability in the Championship is oblivion got a club like Villa.
Can't remember who he played for (possibly Stoke) but there was a player last season whose name was pronounced 'Shite', he'd be perfect for us.
Are we ruling out Steve Clarke stepping up or do we think Dr X would ditch the whole lot of them?
Can't remember who he played for (possibly Stoke) but there was a player last season whose name was pronounced 'Shite', he'd be perfect for us.
I think he was called Wellshite (Philipp Wollscheid)
really?
http://www.footballinsider247.com/fans-call-47-year-old-make-aston-villa-return-twitter/?
No, when they say that Villa fans are desperate for a return of Sherwood it actually means no Villa fans are desperate to see him as again, and that if he came back to even watch us we'd put fireworks in his underpants to launch him from the stadium.
That is some crazy, bat shit mental, parallel universe shizzle. Some of those must be Blose fans on a wind up? Or just pure fabrication?
Diablo, I'm loving your use of the English language there, I think I get your general gist.
good work that man.
Foreign. With a proper track record. Can organise. Has proper ideas on how to set a team up. It isn't that tough, particularly with the the treasure chest we offer as a wage. Bielsa as a starter for ten.
Poor old Tony. He is looking at the mother of financial hits
I like what Wagner is doing at Huddersfield but it's a bit of a risk, I don't think he's done 50 league games as a first team manager yet.
I like what Wagner is doing at Huddersfield but it's a bit of a risk, I don't think he's done 50 league games as a first team manager yet.
Wagner plays an incredible high tempo game...you could see how fit Huddersfield were in second half at VP.
They do double training sessions....were camping in forests for pre season and they also train at night 24 hours before a midweek game.
I wonder how that would go down with our squad...most of them can't be bothered to close down an opposition player as we saw yesterday.
Romantic idea but not sure it would work mid season.
I moustache you to stop saying silly things like that auntie.
can any one tell me what style of play Steve Bruce plays
He's been a manager for years and I still can't tell
Generally a less refined version of MON boofball.
Well organised (ish) at the back (only so much you can do with Curtis Davies), don't create a whole pile. A threat from set pieces.
He actually tried to go a bit more expansive in the third year at Hull and that probably relegated them.
Dawson and Huddlestone were decent prem players IMO so no issue with signing players of that quality. Attracting any one better to Hull would always be difficult.can any one tell me what style of play Steve Bruce plays
He's been a manager for years and I still can't tell
Generally a less refined version of MON boofball.
Well organised (ish) at the back (only so much you can do with Curtis Davies), don't create a whole pile. A threat from set pieces.
He actually tried to go a bit more expansive in the third year at Hull and that probably relegated them.
Year Hull came up they actually played 3-5-2 and were pretty decent at it so he's more tactically flexible than RDM.
Big problem for me with Bruce if you look at his record is he does decent jobs at clubs when he doesn't have much money (SHA, Palace, Wigan and Hull 1st season) yet when he's given money to spend he wastes it on mediocre and past it british players.,,,we've heard that one before haven't we?
SHA he signed likes of Heskey and Pennant and the team spirit broke down...at Sunderland he spent 11m on Connor Wickham and was sacked 2 months later.
And at Hull he signed Dawson, Huddlestone etc. I dread Dr Tony giving him 50m.
I think we have to acknowledge that we're not an attractive proposition at the moment, and the likes of Wagner would be perhaps a little mad to even consider coming to us.
Money talks of course, but even then would we really want someone who's only coming for the loot ?
I know you were auntie. Just funnin'.
I agree that's probably the big risk. It might take him till next season to get his ideas across.
I'd wait though. If it meant having a real identity. And he did have a good immediate impact last season I think?
I agree that's probably the big risk. It might take him till next season to get his ideas across.
I'd wait though. If it meant having a real identity. And he did have a good immediate impact last season I think?
Think he took over when they were in the relegation zone or near enough and they finished 20th so not huge but he used that time to start getting his ideas across and draw up a squad.
Rowett won't come and our board won't try for him but I agree he's done a great job there.
Whoever comes has a genuinely good squad to work with. We are a midfielder and experienced keeper short but overall there is easily enough to make up the gap to the top 6 and even the top 2 over 35 games. Giving the likes of Lyden a run in midfield to give us legs around Jedinak and playing players in their natural roles would help no end though.
Because he manages a team currently pushing the play off places and Villa are 2 points off relegation. I realise that we are a big club with huge potential, but with that comes massive risk and an expectant fan base. I'm afraid to say it but only out of work managers would take the job on.Rowett won't come and our board won't try for him but I agree he's done a great job there.
Whoever comes has a genuinely good squad to work with. We are a midfielder and experienced keeper short but overall there is easily enough to make up the gap to the top 6 and even the top 2 over 35 games. Giving the likes of Lyden a run in midfield to give us legs around Jedinak and playing players in their natural roles would help no end though.
why wouldnt rowett come?
has the shit fest of the past six years passed you by?
Aston Villa is a huge name in English football and a huge draw for any manager. Let's not understate the club and write ourselves off in this next managerial search...it needs to be the right man, with the right experience and knowledge of the game. We don't need another Lambert, Sherwood, Garde or RDM...we need someone with a proven track record of getting consistent results and performances out of the players. No more fuckin about with these charlatans.If it is such a big attraction, how come we have ended up with a string of such uninspiring failures?
No to Rowett for me, not at this stage. No matter how much of a mess the Blues were when he walked in there it's nothing compared to the state of the Villa. Plus, expectation at the Blues is always minimal whereas we've seen the last four managers crack under the pressure of the Villa job.But surely facing a ban from football very soon?
I know Allardyce is a twat but he'd sort the club out from top to bottom and I would be extremely confident he'd not only get us promoted this year but have us playing in a way that would be good to watch.
Get Doug to choose. He picked, on the whole, some fine managers.
Tongue in cheek, but we need a solid choice.
Can you imagine the baggage that would come with Allardyce assuming he doesn't cop a ban. Last thing we need is a manager under pressure from the national press the second he walks through the door.
We're in nowhere near the mess sha were when he took over. 23rd in the table, no money, a team of nobodys, owner in prison. On no planet are we in a worse state.Replace 23rd with 19th and hes not far off the mark...
We're in nowhere near the mess sha were when he took over. 23rd in the table, no money, a team of nobodys, owner in prison. On no planet are we in a worse state.Replace 23rd with 19th and hes not far off the mark...
Have we really got the monet,the squad is shite and it wouldnt surprise me if Dr T is wanted.We're in nowhere near the mess sha were when he took over. 23rd in the table, no money, a team of nobodys, owner in prison. On no planet are we in a worse state.Replace 23rd with 19th and hes not far off the mark...
Apart from we have money, a squad of players just about any club in the division would kill for and the owner isn't in prison, it's right on the mark.
Have we really got the monet,the squad is shite and it wouldnt surprise me if Dr T is wanted.
Have we really got the monet,the squad is shite and it wouldnt surprise me if Dr T is wanted.We're in nowhere near the mess sha were when he took over. 23rd in the table, no money, a team of nobodys, owner in prison. On no planet are we in a worse state.Replace 23rd with 19th and hes not far off the mark...
Apart from we have money, a squad of players just about any club in the division would kill for and the owner isn't in prison, it's right on the mark.
Have we really got the monet,the squad is shite and it wouldnt surprise me if Dr T is wanted.We're in nowhere near the mess sha were when he took over. 23rd in the table, no money, a team of nobodys, owner in prison. On no planet are we in a worse state.Replace 23rd with 19th and hes not far off the mark...
Apart from we have money, a squad of players just about any club in the division would kill for and the owner isn't in prison, it's right on the mark.
Weve just spent £30m, AVFC or something or somebody else? It stinksHave we really got the monet,the squad is shite and it wouldnt surprise me if Dr T is wanted.We're in nowhere near the mess sha were when he took over. 23rd in the table, no money, a team of nobodys, owner in prison. On no planet are we in a worse state.Replace 23rd with 19th and hes not far off the mark...
Apart from we have money, a squad of players just about any club in the division would kill for and the owner isn't in prison, it's right on the mark.
We'll we've just spent £30m, more on one player than sha have spent in years. No it isn't, it's a good squad being badly managed. There is zero evidence that is the case.
Have we really got the monet,the squad is shite and it wouldnt surprise me if Dr T is wanted.We're in nowhere near the mess sha were when he took over. 23rd in the table, no money, a team of nobodys, owner in prison. On no planet are we in a worse state.Replace 23rd with 19th and hes not far off the mark...
Apart from we have money, a squad of players just about any club in the division would kill for and the owner isn't in prison, it's right on the mark.
Weve just spent £30m, AVFC or something or somebody else? It stinksHave we really got the monet,the squad is shite and it wouldnt surprise me if Dr T is wanted.We're in nowhere near the mess sha were when he took over. 23rd in the table, no money, a team of nobodys, owner in prison. On no planet are we in a worse state.Replace 23rd with 19th and hes not far off the mark...
Apart from we have money, a squad of players just about any club in the division would kill for and the owner isn't in prison, it's right on the mark.
We'll we've just spent £30m, more on one player than sha have spent in years. No it isn't, it's a good squad being badly managed. There is zero evidence that is the case.
I really don't think Rowett will come mid season, however attractive the job is. I think he would see it as too controversial a move and the pressure would be enormous. I really can't see it.
So spending money means it stinks? Am I in some bizarre parallel universe were the owner spending the money he said he would is a bad thing?
Bromsgrove Villa turns down chance to manage his club? With £3 million a year in his back pocket, chance to work with the best forwards in the league, where being just average would be a sizeable improvement?
All because he has to take his side back to the Sty?
Have we really got the monet,the squad is shite and it wouldnt surprise me if Dr T is wanted.We're in nowhere near the mess sha were when he took over. 23rd in the table, no money, a team of nobodys, owner in prison. On no planet are we in a worse state.Replace 23rd with 19th and hes not far off the mark...
Apart from we have money, a squad of players just about any club in the division would kill for and the owner isn't in prison, it's right on the mark.
Not one of the people in charge give a flying fuck about us, and I personally think Dr T doesnt either, they are in it for themselves.Weve just spent £30m, AVFC or something or somebody else? It stinksHave we really got the monet,the squad is shite and it wouldnt surprise me if Dr T is wanted.We're in nowhere near the mess sha were when he took over. 23rd in the table, no money, a team of nobodys, owner in prison. On no planet are we in a worse state.Replace 23rd with 19th and hes not far off the mark...
Apart from we have money, a squad of players just about any club in the division would kill for and the owner isn't in prison, it's right on the mark.
We'll we've just spent £30m, more on one player than sha have spent in years. No it isn't, it's a good squad being badly managed. There is zero evidence that is the case.
Stinks of what exactly?
Not one of the people in charge give a flying fuck about us, and I personally think Dr T doesnt either, they are in it for themselves.Weve just spent £30m, AVFC or something or somebody else? It stinksHave we really got the monet,the squad is shite and it wouldnt surprise me if Dr T is wanted.We're in nowhere near the mess sha were when he took over. 23rd in the table, no money, a team of nobodys, owner in prison. On no planet are we in a worse state.Replace 23rd with 19th and hes not far off the mark...
Apart from we have money, a squad of players just about any club in the division would kill for and the owner isn't in prison, it's right on the mark.
We'll we've just spent £30m, more on one player than sha have spent in years. No it isn't, it's a good squad being badly managed. There is zero evidence that is the case.
Stinks of what exactly?
Mate have you been on the pop? Because you're talking absolute shite.Not one of the people in charge give a flying fuck about us, and I personally think Dr T doesnt either, they are in it for themselves.Weve just spent £30m, AVFC or something or somebody else? It stinksHave we really got the monet,the squad is shite and it wouldnt surprise me if Dr T is wanted.We're in nowhere near the mess sha were when he took over. 23rd in the table, no money, a team of nobodys, owner in prison. On no planet are we in a worse state.Replace 23rd with 19th and hes not far off the mark...
Apart from we have money, a squad of players just about any club in the division would kill for and the owner isn't in prison, it's right on the mark.
We'll we've just spent £30m, more on one player than sha have spent in years. No it isn't, it's a good squad being badly managed. There is zero evidence that is the case.
Stinks of what exactly?
If we went knocking the only the only thing left at the sty would be a Rowett shaped hole in the wall as he runs here.I feel like getting an ex SHA or Baggies manager this day and age just seems cursed, no matter if they happen to be potentially promising. I didn't foresee RDM being this atrocious. Granted McLeish was nailed on to do what he did.
From what I've seen this season we have the best squad in the division, converting that into points shouldn't need the reincarnation of Bill Shankley shouldn't it?Pretty much this...I'm really not bothered who came in if he goes....it's not like it could get any worse.
There are plenty that will be just fine.
From what I've seen this season we have the best squad in the division, converting that into points shouldn't need the reincarnation of Bill Shankley shouldn't it?
There are plenty that will be just fine.
Hughton is the guy, promotion with Newcastle and was doing well in Premier before getting unfairly sacked, took Blose to the playoffs, stuttered a bit at Norwich but has done another fantastic job at Brighton.For me, Hughton is totally meh!
Hughton is the guy, promotion with Newcastle and was doing well in Premier before getting unfairly sacked, took Blose to the playoffs, stuttered a bit at Norwich but has done another fantastic job at Brighton.
Hughton is the guy, promotion with Newcastle and was doing well in Premier before getting unfairly sacked, took Blose to the playoffs, stuttered a bit at Norwich but has done another fantastic job at Brighton.For me, Hughton is totally meh!
A little bit anonymous, who plods along in the backwaters doing a steady Eddie job.
Not a lot of passion, and a bit uninspiring.
Very much like RDM.
I honestly think we need a big character, a big voice and a bit of an ego.
Bruce offers that, together with knowledge, experience and most importantly, availability.
I really can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd take Bruce over most, if not all who might be touted.
If Hughton is so good, why is he not at a top job in the PL or Europe?Hughton is the guy, promotion with Newcastle and was doing well in Premier before getting unfairly sacked, took Blose to the playoffs, stuttered a bit at Norwich but has done another fantastic job at Brighton.For me, Hughton is totally meh!
A little bit anonymous, who plods along in the backwaters doing a steady Eddie job.
Not a lot of passion, and a bit uninspiring.
Very much like RDM.
I honestly think we need a big character, a big voice and a bit of an ego.
Bruce offers that, together with knowledge, experience and most importantly, availability.
I really can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd take Bruce over most, if not all who might be touted.
Really? I think you completely underestimate the managerial accumen that CH possesses; and to compare him to RDM is so ridiculous it's laughable.
I'd take him like a shot!Hughton is the guy, promotion with Newcastle and was doing well in Premier before getting unfairly sacked, took Blose to the playoffs, stuttered a bit at Norwich but has done another fantastic job at Brighton.
It'd take something very special to prize him away from BHA I reckon. He doesn't seem the kind of person who is in it for the money, but I'm sure he's acutely aware of how quickly fortunes change for managers when they carry the can for so many negative variables during a season. He's certainly a man that I wouldn't hesitate to have to sort out the current shambles here, but it would boil down to the contract on offer & his ambition to manage us. If I were him I'd be staying very much where he is, quite honestly.
I'd take him like a shot!Hughton is the guy, promotion with Newcastle and was doing well in Premier before getting unfairly sacked, took Blose to the playoffs, stuttered a bit at Norwich but has done another fantastic job at Brighton.
It'd take something very special to prize him away from BHA I reckon. He doesn't seem the kind of person who is in it for the money, but I'm sure he's acutely aware of how quickly fortunes change for managers when they carry the can for so many negative variables during a season. He's certainly a man that I wouldn't hesitate to have to sort out the current shambles here, but it would boil down to the contract on offer & his ambition to manage us. If I were him I'd be staying very much where he is, quite honestly.
He's got a proven track record at this level and above and is at that stage of his career where the Villa job could really make a name for him. He has tactical nous which none of our last 4/5 managers seem to have ever encountered.
I can understand why he might be reluctant to leave BHA but it's Aston feckin' Villa ffs!
The papers think he is toast but is it just papers talk?
He'd have to be given time to sort out the crap...it strikes me that RDM has said "I want these players and I will make it work"...he's got the players but can't set them up to play well enough to win a game... trying too hard to cram them all in to a formation that simply doesn't work. Hughton wouldn't have that "loyalty" to the players RDM has brought in and seems to have a better tactical approach that would see him selecting them to do a job rather than prove himself right for buying them in the first place.I'd take him like a shot!Hughton is the guy, promotion with Newcastle and was doing well in Premier before getting unfairly sacked, took Blose to the playoffs, stuttered a bit at Norwich but has done another fantastic job at Brighton.
It'd take something very special to prize him away from BHA I reckon. He doesn't seem the kind of person who is in it for the money, but I'm sure he's acutely aware of how quickly fortunes change for managers when they carry the can for so many negative variables during a season. He's certainly a man that I wouldn't hesitate to have to sort out the current shambles here, but it would boil down to the contract on offer & his ambition to manage us. If I were him I'd be staying very much where he is, quite honestly.
He's got a proven track record at this level and above and is at that stage of his career where the Villa job could really make a name for him. He has tactical nous which none of our last 4/5 managers seem to have ever encountered.
I can understand why he might be reluctant to leave BHA but it's Aston feckin' Villa ffs!
He's doing pretty well there atm. He's 11 points ahead of us with probably limited expectations from their fans. Does he REALLY want to take over a squad of players he may not fancy and get crucified if we're not in the play-offs by december because lets face it, a lot of our fans thinks its promotion or bust. I'm not sure after managing Newcastle's expectations he'll fancy that again, especailly where we are
The papers think he is toast but is it just papers talk?
I doubt it.
The papers think he is toast but is it just papers talk?
I doubt it.
The papers think he is toast but is it just papers talk?
I doubt it.
Having time to reflect I think Howe is probably the best fit for us. Took a team of average players in to the Pl by playing nice football and getting the basics right .Just what we need. Villa or Bournemouth manager - no brainer decision for him...
Are we that low we cannot poach Bournemouth's manager?
But he has probably taken Bournemouth as far as he going to. Better bow out at the top, legend etc.?.
Are we that low we cannot poach Bournemouth's manager?
Am I the only one who never really took to RDM. I fail to see what he has brought to the table. No real passion, style of play or team spirit. A bit of a non-entity really.
No British/Irish managers please.
Exactly. They may not be world beaters but are Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde and De Matteo really all terrible managers? We seem to suck the life out of them.
Am I the only one who never really took to RDM. I fail to see what he has brought to the table. No real passion, style of play or team spirit. A bit of a non-entity really.
Having time to reflect I think Howe is probably the best fit for us. Took a team of average players in to the Pl by playing nice football and getting the basics right .Just what we need. Villa or Bournemouth manager - no brainer decision for him...
Clarke as Caretaker Manager whilst we search for a replacement.
I don't like anyone on the poll. Sean Dyche would be my pick
One person will be having a wry smile at training this morning.Mr G Agbonlahor.Yet another he has seen off.
I don't like anyone on the poll. Sean Dyche would be my pick
David Wagner, just got my bet on at 14/1, odds were 20/1 2 mins before, now down to 8/1
u heard it here first
If Hughton is so good, why is he not at a top job in the PL or Europe?Hughton is the guy, promotion with Newcastle and was doing well in Premier before getting unfairly sacked, took Blose to the playoffs, stuttered a bit at Norwich but has done another fantastic job at Brighton.For me, Hughton is totally meh!
A little bit anonymous, who plods along in the backwaters doing a steady Eddie job.
Not a lot of passion, and a bit uninspiring.
Very much like RDM.
I honestly think we need a big character, a big voice and a bit of an ego.
Bruce offers that, together with knowledge, experience and most importantly, availability.
I really can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd take Bruce over most, if not all who might be touted.
Really? I think you completely underestimate the managerial accumen that CH possesses; and to compare him to RDM is so ridiculous it's laughable.
He has been around long enough.
Are there any out of work managers with a surname that rhymes with a type of car?
I don't want a wild card. We need to finally get one of these rightExactly how I feel. We have finally got an owner who has confidence and means, we have, I believe, a squad that should be extremely competitive in this division (with a few roles to fill), let's get a manager who will take the squad by the scruff of the neck, inspire them and tell them to play.
Are there any out of work managers with a surname that rhymes with a type of car?
Are there any out of work managers with a surname that rhymes with a type of car?
Are there any out of work managers with a surname that rhymes with a type of car?
Old banger/David Wagner?
Are there any out of work managers with a surname that rhymes with a type of car?
Are there any out of work managers with a surname that rhymes with a type of car?
Dr Tony went up North
In a dodgy Jaguar
brought us back a manager
Bloody David Wagner
Are there any out of work managers with a surname that rhymes with a type of car?
Old banger/David Wagner?
Morris Mourinho?
I'm certainly not slagging off or dismissing CH, and totally agree that he has some pedigree.If Hughton is so good, why is he not at a top job in the PL or Europe?Hughton is the guy, promotion with Newcastle and was doing well in Premier before getting unfairly sacked, took Blose to the playoffs, stuttered a bit at Norwich but has done another fantastic job at Brighton.For me, Hughton is totally meh!
A little bit anonymous, who plods along in the backwaters doing a steady Eddie job.
Not a lot of passion, and a bit uninspiring.
Very much like RDM.
I honestly think we need a big character, a big voice and a bit of an ego.
Bruce offers that, together with knowledge, experience and most importantly, availability.
I really can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd take Bruce over most, if not all who might be touted.
Really? I think you completely underestimate the managerial accumen that CH possesses; and to compare him to RDM is so ridiculous it's laughable.
He has been around long enough.
Hang on a mo' Andy! Last time I looked, we've plummeted towards the bottom of The Championship. Wouldn't it be sensible to get somebody in to turn us around & make us successful at this level before getting too far ahead of ourselves?
I'm certainly not slagging off or dismissing CH, and totally agree that he has some pedigree.If Hughton is so good, why is he not at a top job in the PL or Europe?Hughton is the guy, promotion with Newcastle and was doing well in Premier before getting unfairly sacked, took Blose to the playoffs, stuttered a bit at Norwich but has done another fantastic job at Brighton.For me, Hughton is totally meh!
A little bit anonymous, who plods along in the backwaters doing a steady Eddie job.
Not a lot of passion, and a bit uninspiring.
Very much like RDM.
I honestly think we need a big character, a big voice and a bit of an ego.
Bruce offers that, together with knowledge, experience and most importantly, availability.
I really can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd take Bruce over most, if not all who might be touted.
Really? I think you completely underestimate the managerial accumen that CH possesses; and to compare him to RDM is so ridiculous it's laughable.
He has been around long enough.
Hang on a mo' Andy! Last time I looked, we've plummeted towards the bottom of The Championship. Wouldn't it be sensible to get somebody in to turn us around & make us successful at this level before getting too far ahead of ourselves?
My original point was that we need a big character, and that CH reminds me very much of RDM in his approach.
I don't mind Bruce, so what the bloody hell do I know !!!
I see Lee Johnson and Steve Bruce are being named as possibles.
The appointment criteria is simple, get a manger who can get us out of this league.
Steve Bruce has done it twice.
Are there any out of work managers with a surname that rhymes with a type of car?
Dr Tony went up North
In a dodgy Jaguar
brought us back a manager
Bloody David Wagner
Patrick Vierra in a Ford Sierra
I see Lee Johnson and Steve Bruce are being named as possibles.
The appointment criteria is simple, get a manger who can get us out of this league.
Steve Bruce has done it twice.
so has Warnock, it means not a lot because they have also had relegations,
There is a massive long list of managers who have won promotion into the top league most you wouldn't want as manager, its not the only criteria even RDM has done it and it meant not a jot
It's a shame Dr X doesn't get himsel' a Ford Fiesta & drive to Barcelona to bag us a creative midfielder.
It's a shame Dr X doesn't get himsel' a Ford Fiesta & drive to Barcelona to bag us a creative midfielder.
git - beat me to it
It's a shame Dr X doesn't get himsel' a Ford Fiesta & drive to Barcelona to bag us a creative midfielder.
git - beat me to it
Great minds think alike, innit. ;)
This appointment is the most vital since the last most vital appointment
I'm starting to find myself care just that little bit less with every passing season.
I was thinking about this last night, two organisations which are important to me - Villa and the labour party, and they are both sinking basket cases of rapidly diminishing relevance.
Meh.
It's a shame Dr X doesn't get himsel' a Ford Fiesta & drive to Barcelona to bag us a creative midfielder.
git - beat me to it
Great minds think alike, innit. ;)
I'll come back with Zidane in a Renault Megane
The margins are so fine. We hold on in three of those five games and we are bobbing around in mid-table with no-one questioning the manager.
Other than that I'm not sure what to think anymore. Bruce could do a job, maybe. The last manager I was genuinely excited about was O'Neil and that's now ten years ago...
Head says Bruce.
Heart says Dean Smith.
Sean Dyche is man for me. He went 20 odd games from boxing day 2015 to take Burnley up last season. I like him in poll I sure others would take him too. No nonsense guy and proven also knows claret and blue colours well
The margins are so fine. We hold on in three of those five games and we are bobbing around in mid-table with no-one questioning the manager.
This is increasingly like trying to find a film on Netflix. They all look the same.
Dean Smith or Lee Johnson if either are silly enough to leave their present jobs
This is increasingly like trying to find a film on Netflix. They all look the same.
Sausage Party is different!
Dean Smith or Lee Johnson if either are silly enough to leave their present jobs
FWIW, I see The Beeb have stated that Dean Smith has already dismissed speculation linking him with our vacancy (whatever that means).
Bob Bradley appointed at Swansea. Remember him being linked with us all the time.
Interesting that Swansea sacked and appointed a new man in the same press release. Lets hope our guys have been working in the background and won't fanny about.
Sherwood has announced his interest in the vacancy.
We're going to be really stupid again aren't we?
so it's dyche as sensible option but ambitious one is Laurent blanc and left field Dennis bergkamp.
Sherwood has announced his interest in the vacancy.
We're going to be really stupid again aren't we?
Sherwood has announced his interest in the vacancy.
We're going to be really stupid again aren't we?
I just saw a fan on SSN suggesting him.
Incredible. I can't believe anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to go from one tactically void "try everything till something works" chancer to the actual worst of the lot in that category, especially one who has just contributed so richly to getting us where we currently are.
Sherwood has announced his interest in the vacancy.
We're going to be really stupid again aren't we?
I just saw a fan on SSN suggesting him.
Incredible. I can't believe anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to go from one tactically void "try everything till something works" chancer to the actual worst of the lot in that category, especially one who has just contributed so richly to getting us where we currently are.
Well at least Bob Bradley is out of the running He's gone to Swansea
Laurent Blanc? Come on Footy let's keep this in the vague realms of possibility.
Sherwood has announced his interest in the vacancy.
We're going to be really stupid again aren't we?
I just saw a fan on SSN suggesting him.
Incredible. I can't believe anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to go from one tactically void "try everything till something works" chancer to the actual worst of the lot in that category, especially one who has just contributed so richly to getting us where we currently are.
People on twitter pleading for him too. Short of being a pally "one of the boys" chancer with less clue than Kardashian taking their 11 plus, what has he done to deserve such a high standing with some fans?
Sherwood has announced his interest in the vacancy.
We're going to be really stupid again aren't we?
I just saw a fan on SSN suggesting him.
Incredible. I can't believe anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to go from one tactically void "try everything till something works" chancer to the actual worst of the lot in that category, especially one who has just contributed so richly to getting us where we currently are.
so it's dyche as sensible option but ambitious one is Laurent blanc and left field Dennis bergkamp.
We're currently the 39th best team in England, are either of the above suggestions sensible? Wouldn't surprise me if Bruce turned us down after his experience with "eccentric" owners
Sherwood has announced his interest in the vacancy.
We're going to be really stupid again aren't we?
I just saw a fan on SSN suggesting him.
Incredible. I can't believe anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to go from one tactically void "try everything till something works" chancer to the actual worst of the lot in that category, especially one who has just contributed so richly to getting us where we currently are.
Laurent Blanc? Come on Footy let's keep this in the vague realms of possibility.
Well he's out of work. Rafa benitez at Newcastle . Paul ince manged mk dons Kevin Keegan managed Fulham . He's no Diego Simone ! Now he would be the one. That would be realms of fantasy. But blanc is feasible if people have mentioned klinsman or ancelotti. If Patrick vieria managers in mls, if scholoari Brazil manager coaches in China bennitez in Newcastle why not !
Aim for the stars. Money talks now so xia has some he may want to make a statement
so it's dyche as sensible option but ambitious one is Laurent blanc and left field Dennis bergkamp.
We're currently the 39th best team in England, are either of the above suggestions sensible? Wouldn't surprise me if Bruce turned us down after his experience with "eccentric" owners
How is Xia eccentric !!
Sherwood has announced his interest in the vacancy.
We're going to be really stupid again aren't we?
I just saw a fan on SSN suggesting him.
Incredible. I can't believe anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to go from one tactically void "try everything till something works" chancer to the actual worst of the lot in that category, especially one who has just contributed so richly to getting us where we currently are.
People on twitter pleading for him too. Short of being a pally "one of the boys" chancer with less clue than Kardashian taking their 11 plus, what has he done to deserve such a high standing with some fans?
It would be the most idiotic thing to do ever.
I do wonder whether, having seen them beat us at the weekend, and the fact he did a good job at Leeds, Grayson is in the running. He has done a grand job at Preston too.
Sherwood has announced his interest in the vacancy.
We're going to be really stupid again aren't we?
I just saw a fan on SSN suggesting him.
Incredible. I can't believe anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to go from one tactically void "try everything till something works" chancer to the actual worst of the lot in that category, especially one who has just contributed so richly to getting us where we currently are.
If that happens that is it for me.
Sherwood has announced his interest in the vacancy.
We're going to be really stupid again aren't we?
I just saw a fan on SSN suggesting him.
Incredible. I can't believe anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to go from one tactically void "try everything till something works" chancer to the actual worst of the lot in that category, especially one who has just contributed so richly to getting us where we currently are.
If that happens that is it for me.
Same here, mate. Utter madness.
Apparently John Carver has applied for the job. Now we have hit rock bottom.
I never thought I'd live to see the day that I want Steve Bruce as manager of Aston Villa.imagine if his first game was blues away, it's comin up.
I want Steve Bruce.
Maybe we should just get O'Neill back. He'd sort us out.
The good news is, it won't be Bob Bradley.
"Now the owner will draw up a defined style of playing and management structure before moving for a replacement. The international break gives him time to re-group and he will be assisted by chief executive Keith Wyness, technical director Steve Round and football consultant Brian Little.
It's all a bit surreal isn't it? It does feel a bit early to have pulled the trigger so I wonder if there was something else the manager wasn't impressed with apart from the results and the last two performances? As for who next, I've no idea but it wouldn't surprise me if they're already lined up someone despite what Pat Murphy has said.
The reason why the likes of Pat Murphy spout bollocks about RDM not being given long enough is because they arse lick around the football "community" for a living. The old pals act has to survive because it is the field they cultivate for a living.
Apparently John Carver has applied for the job. Now we have hit rock bottom.Didn't he apply last time around? Upside Down World is indeed truly frightening.
Maybe we should just get O'Neill back. He'd sort us out.
Not a bad shout. Putting aside for one second the fact he's a cnut, he would certainly sort out our midfield problem by bypassing them altogether, as the defenders hoof it straight up the pitch at every opportunity.
The reason why the likes of Pat Murphy spout bollocks about RDM not being given long enough is because they arse lick around the football "community" for a living. The old pals act has to survive because it is the field they cultivate for a living.
11 games is extremely short by anyone's reckoning. Merited or not.
My brother's just nailed it. Go to Warnock and offer him £2M to get us into the play offs - £5M if he gets us up, by whatever means. People hate the bloke, but he gets results and won't stand for shit. We need strong minds.
My brother's just nailed it. Go to Warnock and offer him £2M to get us into the play offs - £5M if he gets us up, by whatever means. People hate the bloke, but he gets results and won't stand for shit. We need strong minds.
I said similar on here on Saturday. Hold our noses and pay some old-school growler to get us outta here at the first attempt
Well, we've done the young and hungry, the French tactician, the brash English southerner, the dour Scot, the Italian odd-ball and a handful of rubbish caretakers. I'd go for a non-nonsense, no excuses, belt and braces lunatic to frighten the squad back up the table.
Assuming that Laurent Blanc and Pep Guardiola aren't intereste
Well, we've done the young and hungry, the French tactician, the brash English southerner, the dour Scot, the Italian odd-ball and a handful of rubbish caretakers. I'd go for a non-nonsense, no excuses, belt and braces lunatic to frighten the squad back up the table.
Assuming that Laurent Blanc and Pep Guardiola aren't intereste
You're right, between Remi Garde and Pep Guardiola there's absolutely nothing available, so let's hire NEIL WARNOCK. Because he'll be sarcastic to Ayew or something.
Neil Warnock. Neil fucking Warnock.
No.
Well, we've done the young and hungry, the French tactician, the brash English southerner, the dour Scot, the Italian odd-ball and a handful of rubbish caretakers. I'd go for a non-nonsense, no excuses, belt and braces lunatic to frighten the squad back up the table.
Assuming that Laurent Blanc and Pep Guardiola aren't intereste
You're right, between Remi Garde and Pep Guardiola there's absolutely nothing available, so let's hire NEIL WARNOCK. Because he'll be sarcastic to Ayew or something.
Feel free to suggest your chosen manager, it's a discussion forum
Glen Hoddle never seems to appear on these prospective lists - he would certainly be someone who would be a perfect candidate to me.
Well, we've done the young and hungry, the French tactician, the brash English southerner, the dour Scot, the Italian odd-ball and a handful of rubbish caretakers. I'd go for a non-nonsense, no excuses, belt and braces lunatic to frighten the squad back up the table.
Assuming that Laurent Blanc and Pep Guardiola aren't intereste
You're right, between Remi Garde and Pep Guardiola there's absolutely nothing available, so let's hire NEIL WARNOCK. Because he'll be sarcastic to Ayew or something.
Feel free to suggest your chosen manager, it's a discussion forum
Well, literally anyone else who has been suggested would be better. Steve Bruce would be better. Sam Allardyce would be better. Anyone would be better.
Can we also try not to worry too much about upsetting our delicate flowers?
I listened to him on the Danny Baker show the other week. Comes across very well. I suspect he might be as under rated as Allardyce - by which I mean highly under rated. His primary goal is achieving a team spirit and he's good at it. We need one.Neil Warnock. Neil fucking Warnock.Promotion expert Neil fucking Warnock?
No.
Yes.
Well, we've done the young and hungry, the French tactician, the brash English southerner, the dour Scot, the Italian odd-ball and a handful of rubbish caretakers. I'd go for a non-nonsense, no excuses, belt and braces lunatic to frighten the squad back up the table.
Assuming that Laurent Blanc and Pep Guardiola aren't intereste
You're right, between Remi Garde and Pep Guardiola there's absolutely nothing available, so let's hire NEIL WARNOCK. Because he'll be sarcastic to Ayew or something.
Feel free to suggest your chosen manager, it's a discussion forum
Well, literally anyone else who has been suggested would be better. Steve Bruce would be better. Sam Allardyce would be better. Anyone would be better.
Literally?
I dislike the fella as much as the next man, but he has a track record for doing exactly what we're looking for a manager to do at this point in time. We can worry about our Champions league prospects as soon as we're out of this bear pit.
Warnock's been promoted twice to the Premier League, the last time in 2011 with QPR (and didn't that end well for everyone). Before that he was promoted to the top division for the first time in 2006 with Sheffield United. It's pretty hard to exaggerate how much the game has changed in the last five years, let alone the last 10.
He's past it, and he never had much of it to begin with. It's an embarrassing suggestion for the Villa.
Well, we've done the young and hungry, the French tactician, the brash English southerner, the dour Scot, the Italian odd-ball and a handful of rubbish caretakers. I'd go for a non-nonsense, no excuses, belt and braces lunatic to frighten the squad back up the table.
Assuming that Laurent Blanc and Pep Guardiola aren't intereste
You're right, between Remi Garde and Pep Guardiola there's absolutely nothing available, so let's hire NEIL WARNOCK. Because he'll be sarcastic to Ayew or something.
Feel free to suggest your chosen manager, it's a discussion forum
Well, literally anyone else who has been suggested would be better. Steve Bruce would be better. Sam Allardyce would be better. Anyone would be better.
Literally?
I dislike the fella as much as the next man, but he has a track record for doing exactly what we're looking for a manager to do at this point in time. We can worry about our Champions league prospects as soon as we're out of this bear pit.
This nails how I feel. At the start of the season I wanted someone to revolutionise the playing style, get us up, keep us up and set in place a structure which would deliver us decades of success at the top level.
Now I just want someone, anyone, who will get us promoted. We can worry about what happens next at the time.
Warnock seems more likely than most other candidates to get us promoted, either this season or next.
Warnock's been promoted twice to the Premier League, the last time in 2011 with QPR (and didn't that end well for everyone). Before that he was promoted to the top division for the first time in 2006 with Sheffield United. It's pretty hard to exaggerate how much the game has changed in the last five years, let alone the last 10.
He's past it, and he never had much of it to begin with. It's an embarrassing suggestion for the Villa.
Bearing in mind he was hugely succesful in his last job which was only a few months ago, saying that he's "past it" is nonsense.
By all means state your case why we should or shouldn't appoint someone, but don't just make stuff up, that damages the credibility of your argument.
Warnock's been promoted twice to the Premier League, the last time in 2011 with QPR (and didn't that end well for everyone). Before that he was promoted to the top division for the first time in 2006 with Sheffield United. It's pretty hard to exaggerate how much the game has changed in the last five years, let alone the last 10.
He's past it, and he never had much of it to begin with. It's an embarrassing suggestion for the Villa.
Bearing in mind he was hugely succesful in his last job which was only a few months ago, saying that he's "past it" is nonsense.
By all means state your case why we should or shouldn't appoint someone, but don't just make stuff up, that damages the credibility of your argument.
Oh woohoo, he was alright at Rotherham. Come on, this is just not serious.
He wasn't "alright", he was spectacularly succesful. He took a team that looked certain to go down and kept them up with ease.
Again, just denying this because it doesn't suit your argument does you no favours.
Well, we've done the young and hungry, the French tactician, the brash English southerner, the dour Scot, the Italian odd-ball and a handful of rubbish caretakers. I'd go for a non-nonsense, no excuses, belt and braces lunatic to frighten the squad back up the table.
Assuming that Laurent Blanc and Pep Guardiola aren't intereste
You're right, between Remi Garde and Pep Guardiola there's absolutely nothing available, so let's hire NEIL WARNOCK. Because he'll be sarcastic to Ayew or something.
Feel free to suggest your chosen manager, it's a discussion forum
Well, literally anyone else who has been suggested would be better. Steve Bruce would be better. Sam Allardyce would be better. Anyone would be better.
Literally?
I dislike the fella as much as the next man, but he has a track record for doing exactly what we're looking for a manager to do at this point in time. We can worry about our Champions league prospects as soon as we're out of this bear pit.
This nails how I feel. At the start of the season I wanted someone to revolutionise the playing style, get us up, keep us up and set in place a structure which would deliver us decades of success at the top level.
Now I just want someone, anyone, who will get us promoted. We can worry about what happens next at the time.
Warnock seems more likely than most other candidates to get us promoted, either this season or next.
Why? How does what he does look like it'll succeed in this year's Championship? How will he get the most out of our players? How is he going to build a team to help not just get back to the Premier League but stay there?
Chico, I don't want Allardyce, but his record is demonstrably better than Warnock's, and what I've read about his actual management methods is much better too.
Fair enough. Although I was interested in who your preferred realistic choice would be.
Chico, I don't want Allardyce, but his record is demonstrably better than Warnock's, and what I've read about his actual management methods is much better too.
I'd like to see Tim Sherwood given a go with this squad, the new owner, some money, and Steve Clarke supporting him.
I blame the directors around him last time for the horror show of players he brought in last summer
He's said he's up for it again
I'd like to see Tim Sherwood given a go with this squad, the new owner, some money, and Steve Clarke supporting him.
I blame the directors around him last time for the horror show of players he brought in last summer
He's said he's up for it again
I'd like to see Tim Sherwood given a go with this squad, the new owner, some money, and Steve Clarke supporting him.
I blame the directors around him last time for the horror show of players he brought in last summer
He's said he's up for it again
Right, fine, have it your way. He's been around for 1000 years, has been failing and flailing very visibly for the last five years until finally - finally - he does something right. Now he's going to take a team of talented attackers and make them 'battle'. Because that's the way to get the best out of Ayew, McCormack and Kodjia. Give them some boxing gloves.
Obviously the players need to show more bottle, but that's the absolute bear minimum. RDM's extraordinary failure doesn't make Warnock's absolute basicness any better - it just emphasises how terribly RDM has done.Fair enough. Although I was interested in who your preferred realistic choice would be.
Chico, I don't want Allardyce, but his record is demonstrably better than Warnock's, and what I've read about his actual management methods is much better too.
Allardyce is realistic and I would prefer him to Warnock. If he really is the best we can do, or Bruce is the best we can do, then fine - it would be million miles from perfect, but fine. I'd prefer Wagner or Rowett myself, but they might not want to come.
He wasn't "alright", he was spectacularly succesful. He took a team that looked certain to go down and kept them up with ease.
Again, just denying this because it doesn't suit your argument does you no favours.
Right, fine, have it your way. He's been around for 1000 years, has been failing and flailing very visibly for the last five years until finally - finally - he does something right. Now he's going to take a team of talented attackers and make them 'battle'. Because that's the way to get the best out of Ayew, McCormack and Kodjia. Give them some boxing gloves.
Obviously the players need to show more bottle, but that's the absolute bear minimum. RDM's extraordinary failure doesn't make Warnock's absolute basicness any better - it just emphasises how terribly RDM has done.Fair enough. Although I was interested in who your preferred realistic choice would be.
Chico, I don't want Allardyce, but his record is demonstrably better than Warnock's, and what I've read about his actual management methods is much better too.
Allardyce is realistic and I would prefer him to Warnock. If he really is the best we can do, or Bruce is the best we can do, then fine - it would be million miles from perfect, but fine. I'd prefer Wagner or Rowett myself, but they might not want to come.
Was the first part of your reply directed at me? a bit OTT if so - I only asked who you thought the manager should be.
Chico, I don't want Allardyce, but his record is demonstrably better than Warnock's, and what I've read about his actual management methods is much better too.
Right, fine, have it your way. He's been around for 1000 years, has been failing and flailing very visibly for the last five years until finally - finally - he does something right. Now he's going to take a team of talented attackers and make them 'battle'. Because that's the way to get the best out of Ayew, McCormack and Kodjia. Give them some boxing gloves.
Obviously the players need to show more bottle, but that's the absolute bear minimum. RDM's extraordinary failure doesn't make Warnock's absolute basicness any better - it just emphasises how terribly RDM has done.Fair enough. Although I was interested in who your preferred realistic choice would be.
Chico, I don't want Allardyce, but his record is demonstrably better than Warnock's, and what I've read about his actual management methods is much better too.
Allardyce is realistic and I would prefer him to Warnock. If he really is the best we can do, or Bruce is the best we can do, then fine - it would be million miles from perfect, but fine. I'd prefer Wagner or Rowett myself, but they might not want to come.
Was the first part of your reply directed at me? a bit OTT if so - I only asked who you thought the manager should be.
No no, it was aimed at CD! I found his reasoning a bit mad. No hard feelings for disagreeing about a football manager, I hope!
Chico, I don't want Allardyce, but his record is demonstrably better than Warnock's, and what I've read about his actual management methods is much better too.
I guess that depends on your definition of demonstrable. According to wiki, their records look pretty similar.
Regardless, I don't think a 'let's just get promoted and worry about what comes next later' approach is one that Dr T will entertain. You don't put the long-term management structure in place as he has and then adopt a short term strategy. I think/hope he will try and find someone who can lead us to the PL and beyond. I am tired of the revolving door and want some continuity.
No hard feelings whatsoever Monty.
The poster that suggested Sherwood, however...
I just want some wins. Imagine it... people leaving Villa Park... smiling. Looking at the table knowing that you'll have improved your position since the last time you checked. Players punching the air having successfully scored more goals than the opposition.
I'm a dreamer, me.
I just want some wins. Imagine it... people leaving Villa Park... smiling. Looking at the table knowing that you'll have improved your position since the last time you checked. Players punching the air having successfully scored more goals than the opposition.
I'm a dreamer, me.
I'd like to see Tim Sherwood given a go with this squad, the new owner, some money, and Steve Clarke supporting him.
I blame the directors around him last time for the horror show of players he brought in last summer
He's said he's up for it again
Stop.
Could you imagine the abuse Dr. Xia would get if that appointment turned sour.. again?
Who in this division has a better set of fullbacks than De Laet, Bacuna, Hutton one side and Aly and Amavi on the other? Apart from maybe Newcastle, any side in this division would kill to have most of our squad.De Laet can't play again for the rest of this season. Bacuna and Hutton are very poor players in my opinion. Cissokho is a reasonable defensive left back but not so good going forward. Amavi is very skilful but poor defensively. In my opinion.
No hard feelings whatsoever Monty.
The poster that suggested Sherwood, however...
I'd like to see Tim Sherwood given a go with this squad, the new owner, some money, and Steve Clarke supporting him.
I blame the directors around him last time for the horror show of players he brought in last summer
He's said he's up for it again
Stop.
Could you imagine the abuse Dr. Xia would get if that appointment turned sour.. again?
Yes fair point. Need someone with his passion though. RDM didn't have it. Bruce doesn't have it for me... too passive. No-one else on that list fills me with confidence. Not Warnock. And if McLaren gets it we're a laughing stock
Who in this division has a better set of fullbacks than De Laet, Bacuna, Hutton one side and Aly and Amavi on the other? Apart from maybe Newcastle, any side in this division would kill to have most of our squad.De Laet can't play again for the rest of this season. Bacuna and Hutton are very poor players in my opinion. Cissokho is a reasonable defensive left back but not so good going forward. Amavi is very skilful but poor defensively. In my opinion.
Need someone with his passion though
Who in this division has a better set of fullbacks than De Laet, Bacuna, Hutton one side and Aly and Amavi on the other? Apart from maybe Newcastle, any side in this division would kill to have most of our squad.De Laet can't play again for the rest of this season. Bacuna and Hutton are very poor players in my opinion. Cissokho is a reasonable defensive left back but not so good going forward. Amavi is very skilful but poor defensively. In my opinion.
I included De Laet as he's still part of the squad. But it's part of my point, we lose him and still have Hutton and Bacuna. No one else at this level has that kind of squad depth. The vast majority of our squad would waltz into anyone else's in this division.
And that's before even starting on the strikers - McCormack, Kodjia, Ayew and Gestede is a top two set of forwards if used correctly rather than bottom six.
And that's before even starting on the strikers - McCormack, Kodjia, Ayew and Gestede is a top two set of forwards if used correctly rather than bottom six.
Unless you try and force them into the same side of course
And that's before even starting on the strikers - McCormack, Kodjia, Ayew and Gestede is a top two set of forwards if used correctly rather than bottom six.
Unless you try and force them into the same side of course
And that's before even starting on the strikers - McCormack, Kodjia, Ayew and Gestede is a top two set of forwards if used correctly rather than bottom six.
Unless you try and force them into the same side of course
I do wonder if the club is taking a good look at the Allardyce situation. For me he is a very strong candidate on ability if he is free of any further punishment. That said he is an odious greedy wanker for what he did which we'd get by if he started getting results. I still think outside of that Bruce is the safest option, Wagner the most interesting.
And that's before even starting on the strikers - McCormack, Kodjia, Ayew and Gestede is a top two set of forwards if used correctly rather than bottom six.
And that's before even starting on the strikers - McCormack, Kodjia, Ayew and Gestede is a top two set of forwards if used correctly rather than bottom six.
I don't even think the midfield options are that bad compared to most other clubs. Grealish and Adomah as attacking midfielders are a cut above most at this level. Tsibola and Jedinak are a cut above most as well. Gardner and Westwood are better benchwarmers than the majority of teams at this level will have available.
The only truly weak part of our squad is in goal, which is not ideal, but still leaves whoever comes in with a pretty good set of players to work with. Not to mention the best academy in the league, the best training facilities, plenty of spending power in January, and a great stadium full of fans to cheer them on if they get it right.
For those saying the likes of even Rowett and Wagner won't be interested in the job, it will be interesting to hear their reaction when asked about it in the media (as they invariably will be).
If it's an emphatic 'Not interested at all,' then I'm near certain it will be a case of Steve Bruce, come on down.
If the pair go the mealy mouthed route of 'I'm happy in my current job, I won't discuss other jobs,' in football-speak, that means they'd at least be keen to hear what we have to say.
If either of them gives a flat 'no comment' you can take it as read that talks have already begun and one of them will soon be making their way to the managerial slaughterhouse at B6.
Clarke anyone ;)
For those saying the likes of even Rowett and Wagner won't be interested in the job, it will be interesting to hear their reaction when asked about it in the media (as they invariably will be).
If it's an emphatic 'Not interested at all,' then I'm near certain it will be a case of Steve Bruce, come on down.
If the pair go the mealy mouthed route of 'I'm happy in my current job, I won't discuss other jobs,' in football-speak, that means they'd at least be keen to hear what we have to say.
If either of them gives a flat 'no comment' you can take it as read that talks have already begun and one of them will soon be making their way to the managerial slaughterhouse at B6.
I've already told you its going to be Wagner - can feel it in my water
Chico, I don't want Allardyce, but his record is demonstrably better than Warnock's, and what I've read about his actual management methods is much better too.
I guess that depends on your definition of demonstrable. According to wiki, their records look pretty similar.
Regardless, I don't think a 'let's just get promoted and worry about what comes next later' approach is one that Dr T will entertain. You don't put the long-term management structure in place as he has and then adopt a short term strategy. I think/hope he will try and find someone who can lead us to the PL and beyond. I am tired of the revolving door and want some continuity.
I just want some wins. Imagine it... people leaving Villa Park... smiling. Looking at the table knowing that you'll have improved your position since the last time you checked. Players punching the air having successfully scored more goals than the opposition.
I'm a dreamer, me.
Grealish and Adomah as attacking midfielders are a cut above most at this level. Tsibola and Jedinak are a cut above most as well.
Clarke anyone ;)
Can't see him leaving Newcastle to become player/manager.
QuoteGrealish and Adomah as attacking midfielders are a cut above most at this level. Tsibola and Jedinak are a cut above most as well.
Tish is an injury prone young kid.
Jedinak would be ok if he had someone with legs alongside him.
Grealish is poor. Floats about, no end product. Impact sub at very best.
Adomah - looks decent in flashes. In flashes only.
That midfield, regardless of who is in charge, will never get a team promoted.
It's one of the most mental things I've ever seen.Sherwood has announced his interest in the vacancy.
We're going to be really stupid again aren't we?
I just saw a fan on SSN suggesting him.
Incredible. I can't believe anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to go from one tactically void "try everything till something works" chancer to the actual worst of the lot in that category, especially one who has just contributed so richly to getting us where we currently are.
The midfield minus Jedinak (who I still think will be a good signing when not managed by an idiot) was looking far better than most teams for large parts of the first 6-7 games. This includes games against such mighty opposition as Huddersfield, who we battered for 80 minutes.
A midfield three of Jedinak, Gardner and tsibola will be more than good enough to deal with most teams in this league. We have Bacuna and Westwood as backup also. It isn't that bad, although I agree it is not our strongest area.
Lots on twitter want Tim Sherwood. Please no.What kind of self harming fucktard would want us to relive that fucking nightmare?!
The midfield minus Jedinak (who I still think will be a good signing when not managed by an idiot) was looking far better than most teams for large parts of the first 6-7 games. This includes games against such mighty opposition as Huddersfield, who we battered for 80 minutes.
A midfield three of Jedinak, Gardner and tsibola will be more than good enough to deal with most teams in this league. We have Bacuna and Westwood as backup also. It isn't that bad, although I agree it is not our strongest area.
I saw quite a lot of Jedinak at Palace. They love him at Palace, but not necessarily due to his footballing ability. His distribution has always been suspect, but I think it has been shocking for us.
It's one of the most mental things I've ever seen.Sherwood has announced his interest in the vacancy.
We're going to be really stupid again aren't we?
I just saw a fan on SSN suggesting him.
Incredible. I can't believe anyone thinks it'd be a good idea to go from one tactically void "try everything till something works" chancer to the actual worst of the lot in that category, especially one who has just contributed so richly to getting us where we currently are.
Clarke anyone ;)
The midfield minus Jedinak (who I still think will be a good signing when not managed by an idiot) was looking far better than most teams for large parts of the first 6-7 games. This includes games against such mighty opposition as Huddersfield, who we battered for 80 minutes.
A midfield three of Jedinak, Gardner and tsibola will be more than good enough to deal with most teams in this league. We have Bacuna and Westwood as backup also. It isn't that bad, although I agree it is not our strongest area.
I saw quite a lot of Jedinak at Palace. They love him at Palace, but not necessarily due to his footballing ability. His distribution has always been suspect, but I think it has been shocking for us.
Redknapp just said on SqualkSport that he'd take it for no wages till the end of the season.
Oh I agree that Allardyce can't be appointed now. Bruce is the more serious suggestion of that manager type.Yes but still a terrible choice.
Lots on twitter want Tim Sherwood. Please no.What kind of self harming fucktard would want us to relive that fucking nightmare?!
The first thing the new manager must do is be brutally honest about the players we bought in the summer. RDM, Clarke and Bond were obliged to pick them to justify the millions they spent on them. Is Gollini worth worth a place, or Jedinak, or Elphick, or Chester, or McCormack, or Adomah, or Kodjia? Are the players who have won 1 game in 12 better than Steer, Lyden, Toner, Green, Hepburn-Murphy and Davies who have been virtually binned? Whoever the new manager is he has to have an open mind and judge for himself not allow others to tell him Westwood does a lot of unnoticed good work and that Rushian Hepburn Murphy is too small.
The first thing the new manager must do is be brutally honest about the players we bought in the summer. RDM, Clarke and Bond were obliged to pick them to justify the millions they spent on them. Is Gollini worth worth a place, or Jedinak, or Elphick, or Chester, or McCormack, or Adomah, or Kodjia? Are the players who have won 1 game in 12 better than Steer, Lyden, Toner, Green, Hepburn-Murphy and Davies who have been virtually binned? Whoever the new manager is he has to have an open mind and judge for himself not allow others to tell him Westwood does a lot of unnoticed good work and that Rushian Hepburn Murphy is too small.
Amavi is worth cashing in on now, he doesn't seem that interested, can't defend well enough to play left back but still has suitors. If we could get our money back I'd do the deal.
Yes PWA I was speaking rhetorically. Gollini probably is a good prospect but needs to be treated as such. Jedinak's distribution is woeful and he needs, as somebody has wisely pointed out, to concentrate on kicking people and looking homicidal. Likewise Elphick and Chester are a pair of carthorses but that does not mean they should have the speed of thought of cart horses. Get to the second ball before they do and put it over the stand. McCormack needs to take an antigabbyitis pill. Sooner we start the better.
Oh I agree that Allardyce can't be appointed now. Bruce is the more serious suggestion of that manager type.Yes but still a terrible choice.
I would like to see Ryan Giggs given the job...he has learnt from the best and I think would get the best out of our ex citing frontlin, and would probably give our young lads a chance. The thought of Warnock or Bruce in the home dugout at Villa Park sends a shudder down by spine.
I know your point is more general Brian, but I think Gollini is pretty good. He's made a couple of errors and been severely punished. I think he's shown a lot of promise.
I would like to see Ryan Giggs given the job...he has learnt from the best and I think would get the best out of our exciting frontline and would probably give our young lads a chance. The thought of Warnock or Bruce in the home dugout at Villa Park sends a shiver down by spine.
Glen Hoddle never seems to appear on these prospective lists - he would certainly be someone who would be a perfect candidate to me.
I would like to see Ryan Giggs given the job...he has learnt from the best and I think would get the best out of our ex citing frontlin, and would probably give our young lads a chance. The thought of Warnock or Bruce in the home dugout at Villa Park sends a shudder down by spine.
The only thing going for Giggs is the star factor. You would think our young bunch would idolize the guy and at least respect what he has to say. Other than that, I don't see him having any merit of taking such a job.
Giggs needs to start at the bottom and learn his trade.
Giggs needs to start at the bottom and learn his trade.
On a plate...
I know your point is more general Brian, but I think Gollini is pretty good. He's made a couple of errors and been severely punished. I think he's shown a lot of promise.
If we'd have been 3-0 up in those games the mistakes wouldn't have been viewed on so harshly. The one thing RDM can be excused on is his forwards and midfielders not sticking away the 100+ chances they've created this season.
Sorry Dave just an opinion..no need for the twatish reply.I would like to see Ryan Giggs given the job...he has learnt from the best and I think would get the best out of our exciting frontline and would probably give our young lads a chance. The thought of Warnock or Bruce in the home dugout at Villa Park sends a shiver down by spine.
So we should employ Giggs just because he "learnt from the best", but Bruce would be a terrible choice.
Gotcha.
Sorry Dave just an opinion..no need for the twatish reply.I would like to see Ryan Giggs given the job...he has learnt from the best and I think would get the best out of our exciting frontline and would probably give our young lads a chance. The thought of Warnock or Bruce in the home dugout at Villa Park sends a shiver down by spine.
So we should employ Giggs just because he "learnt from the best", but Bruce would be a terrible choice.
Gotcha.
Gotcha.Sorry Dave just an opinion..no need for the twatish reply.I would like to see Ryan Giggs given the job...he has learnt from the best and I think would get the best out of our exciting frontline and would probably give our young lads a chance. The thought of Warnock or Bruce in the home dugout at Villa Park sends a shiver down by spine.
So we should employ Giggs just because he "learnt from the best", but Bruce would be a terrible choice.
Gotcha.
You might want to reconsider the tone of your own reply.
Glen Hoddle never seems to appear on these prospective lists - he would certainly be someone who would be a perfect candidate to me.
It could work you know, he and Tone are both Scorpios.
I dont think Bruce is a bad choice...but after spending most of the 2000s singing songs in jest at him and now wanting him to rescue us just shows how far we have have dropped. I'm still struggling with that concept.
Can we just fucking employ someone from abroad. With talent. Who is as heavy a hitter as the salary we will pay dictates?
Fucking Bruce and Warnock and Smith and Rowett and whoever the fuck else (and if you are leaning in Sherwood's direction you should be fucking sectioned). Why the actual fuck would we want to put up with any of these?
2-4 million quid a year gets you Bielsa. It gets you Klinsmann. It gets you Van Gaal. It gets you Mancini. It gets you Rangnick. Or, forget it. I think that is my point.
We need someone that the dressing room looks at and says "shit, now he has pedigree". And Tone has the cash to make that a reality.
Punch our mother fucking weight for once and bring in an arrogant bastard who turns up his nose at our league position and this league.
"This league is shit and you shouldn't be in it. I will ensure you won't be for long".
Aston Villa will turn to Steve Bruce if they are unable to persuade the Huddersfield manager, David Wagner, that he should give up the team he has taken to the top of the Championship to try to rescue one of England’s bigger, and more troubled, clubs.
Villa are exploring whether there is any chance of tempting Wagner away from Huddersfield in the wake of Roberto Di Matteo’s sacking, with the Midlands club currently 19th in England’s second tier and potentially facing the ignominy of a relegation fight in their first season outside the top flight since 1988.
Wagner, previously part of Jürgen Klopp’s staff as the manager of Borussia Dortmund’s second team, has impressed Villa after giving Huddersfield realistic ambitions of returning to the top division for the first time since 1972. However, it would not be straightforward to convince him he should leave the Yorkshire club, or persuading his employers to let it happen, and on that basis Villa are giving serious consideration to offering Bruce a way back into management.
Bruce has been out of work since leaving Hull City in the summer and, despite being interviewed for the England manager’s job before Sam Allardyce’s appointment, the Football Association has not gone back to him now it has become free again.
The position at Villa is complicated by the fact Bruce managed Birmingham City from 2001 to 2007 but, nine years on, that is not thought to be an insurmountable problem and the 55-year-old is keen to return to work. If that were to happen, one of his first games would be back at St Andrews, with the two clubs meeting on 30 October.
Ryan Giggs, overlooked for the Swansea City manager’s job, is not thought to be a contender and Villa are hoping to fill the position quickly, with the club’s owner, Tony Xia, timing Di Matteo’s sacking so the international break can be used for the interview process.
Di Matteo had only 11 league matches in charge but the man who led Chelsea to the Champions League saw his team take only 10 points in that time, and sections of the club’s travelling support called for his removal during the 2-0 defeat at Preston on Saturday.
Villa are two points off the relegation places, their only win coming against the bottom club Rotherham, and their chances of returning to the Premier League look slim in the extreme unless there is a remarkable turnaround over the next seven months.
The chief executive, Keith Wyness, has been placed in charge of finding the new manager with the club’s new technical director, Steve Round. In the meantime, the assistant manager, Steve Clarke, will take training for a club searching for their fifth manager in 20 months.
Villa were relegated last season with 17 points from 38 games and, since Paul Lambert’s sacking in February 2015, Tim Sherwood, Remi Garde, and Di Matteo have lasted 175 days on average.
If it's a choice between the old managers I have spent the last years deriding and someone with real Cajunos from abroad, give me the latter, please.Can we just fucking employ someone from abroad. With talent. Who is as heavy a hitter as the salary we will pay dictates?
Fucking Bruce and Warnock and Smith and Rowett and whoever the fuck else (and if you are leaning in Sherwood's direction you should be fucking sectioned). Why the actual fuck would we want to put up with any of these?
2-4 million quid a year gets you Bielsa. It gets you Klinsmann. It gets you Van Gaal. It gets you Mancini. It gets you Rangnick. Or, forget it. I think that is my point.
We need someone that the dressing room looks at and says "shit, now he has pedigree". And Tone has the cash to make that a reality.
Punch our mother fucking weight for once and bring in an arrogant bastard who turns up his nose at our league position and this league.
"This league is shit and you shouldn't be in it. I will ensure you won't be for long".
You know, mate?
You're dead right.
Come on Uncle Tony, bring someone in who'll frighten the league to death!!
If it's a choice between the old managers I have spent the last years deriding and someone with real Cajunos from abroad, give me the latter, please.Can we just fucking employ someone from abroad. With talent. Who is as heavy a hitter as the salary we will pay dictates?
Fucking Bruce and Warnock and Smith and Rowett and whoever the fuck else (and if you are leaning in Sherwood's direction you should be fucking sectioned). Why the actual fuck would we want to put up with any of these?
2-4 million quid a year gets you Bielsa. It gets you Klinsmann. It gets you Van Gaal. It gets you Mancini. It gets you Rangnick. Or, forget it. I think that is my point.
We need someone that the dressing room looks at and says "shit, now he has pedigree". And Tone has the cash to make that a reality.
Punch our mother fucking weight for once and bring in an arrogant bastard who turns up his nose at our league position and this league.
"This league is shit and you shouldn't be in it. I will ensure you won't be for long".
You know, mate?
You're dead right.
Come on Uncle Tony, bring someone in who'll frighten the league to death!!
Again is anyone seriously saying LVG or Mancini are gonna turn up here. Are they THAT desperate? Foreign manager aye, but please keep it wthin the realms of reality. We couldn't attract those sort of names when we were in the premiership. Hell we couldn't attract Martinez
Again is anyone seriously saying LVG or Mancini are gonna turn up here. Are they THAT desperate? Foreign manager aye, but please keep it wthin the realms of reality. We couldn't attract those sort of names when we were in the premiership. Hell we couldn't attract Martinez
Again is anyone seriously saying LVG or Mancini are gonna turn up here. Are they THAT desperate? Foreign manager aye, but please keep it wthin the realms of reality. We couldn't attract those sort of names when we were in the premiership. Hell we couldn't attract Martinez
Bollocks. Money talks. We couldn't attract big names when we paid a big salary but there was nothing to spare for buying good players. We aren't in that situation any more.
We probably have a few arrogant players who think they're too good for this league already, that's not working well is it ?
I don't want a big time Charlie coming in and gobbing off about he's this that or the other. I just want someone that can do his job. No more no less
I dont think Bruce is a bad choice...but after spending most of the 2000s singing songs in jest at him and now wanting him to rescue us just shows how far we have have dropped. I'm still struggling with that concept.
We probably have a few arrogant players who think they're too good for this league already, that's not working well is it ?
I don't want a big time Charlie coming in and gobbing off about he's this that or the other. I just want someone that can do his job. No more no less
Aside from the fact that we really don't if we did they'd be the players that most need the club to stop fucking about and start acting like the big club we are.
Sickbeggar so we shouldn't try and instead just go for the same old pool of shit-average managers we've been plucking from for years to such fantastic effect?
I think we need someone who has succeeded against relatively high expectations. Managers who have done wonders with very little expectation I fear get overwhelmed by the justified high expectations at Villa.
I hope it's not Bruceagreed....no scum thank you
I don't think he's much good anyway,
but the fact he has spent most of his career at the two clubs I despise the most will make his ugly mug difficult to bear in our dug out
and before anyone says they don't care about the past they just want someone to come in and sort us out, I don't think he will or can he's just bland and very very ordinary
I hope it's not Bruce
I don't think he's much good anyway,
but the fact he has spent most of his career at the two clubs I despise the most will make his ugly mug difficult to bear in our dug out
and before anyone says they don't care about the past they just want someone to come in and sort us out, I don't think he will or can he's just bland and very very ordinary
Harry redknapp said
on talksport tonight that he'd do the job for nothing.he said he'd get us into the playoffs and then they could pay him .thoughts
Harry redknapp said
on talksport tonight that he'd do the job for nothing.he said he'd get us into the playoffs and then they could pay him .thoughts
Harry Redknapp on Talksport said Sherwood shouldn't have been sacked. Then said he himself would take the job for free until the end of the season, we would only have to pay him if we got into the play offs.redknapp that used car salesman? Do villa have a supply of brown envelopes in the club shop?
Lunatic.
Harry Redknapp on Talksport said Sherwood shouldn't have been sacked. Then said he himself would take the job for free until the end of the season, we would only have to pay him if we got into the play offs.
Lunatic.
Harry redknapp said
on talksport tonight that he'd do the job for nothing.he said he'd get us into the playoffs and then they could pay him .thoughts
If it's a choice between the old managers I have spent the last years deriding and someone with real Cajunos from abroad, give me the latter, please.Can we just fucking employ someone from abroad. With talent. Who is as heavy a hitter as the salary we will pay dictates?
Fucking Bruce and Warnock and Smith and Rowett and whoever the fuck else (and if you are leaning in Sherwood's direction you should be fucking sectioned). Why the actual fuck would we want to put up with any of these?
2-4 million quid a year gets you Bielsa. It gets you Klinsmann. It gets you Van Gaal. It gets you Mancini. It gets you Rangnick. Or, forget it. I think that is my point.
We need someone that the dressing room looks at and says "shit, now he has pedigree". And Tone has the cash to make that a reality.
Punch our mother fucking weight for once and bring in an arrogant bastard who turns up his nose at our league position and this league.
"This league is shit and you shouldn't be in it. I will ensure you won't be for long".
You know, mate?
You're dead right.
Come on Uncle Tony, bring someone in who'll frighten the league to death!!
I can't imagine anyone here likes dodgy 'Arry at all, but he'd put the fear of god into that side. Needs must.
I don't see anything twattish in it, Giggs is a good choice because he played for Fergie but that doesn't apply to Bruce, what makes the difference? Giggs would be a massive gamble made for the wrong reason.Im aware Steve Bruce played for United under Ferguson...my point was that Giggs spent 25 years winning every trophy going under the most successful manager ever..he might of picked up a thing or too along the way.
We need someone with experience who has a defined style of play that they trust and who is arrogant enough to know it's going to work even if it doesn't look like it is doing.
I can't give any examples because the "defined style of play" is the most important factor. Once we know what we want to be then we can look at managers to fill our needs. As an alternative I'd be tempted to try something ridiculous and totally out of our market by picking up someone who has been there and done it but either isn't working or is in a retirement job in China/USA. Someone like Bielsa for example. I know it's unlikely they'd join us but if Xia is as big a deal as we want him to be then maybe it's not quite so outlandish.
Think I'd rather see Ashley Westwood on a 10 year player/manager contract than have either Sherwood or Redknapp anywhere near the club.
Harry Redknapp on Talksport said Sherwood shouldn't have been sacked. Then said he himself would take the job for free until the end of the season, we would only have to pay him if we got into the play offs.
Lunatic.
I'd rather be managerless than have any of these twats linked. Redknapp? Fuck off you crooked melted criminal. Giggs? Vomit inducing.
I'd rather have Roger Milla, Prince Charles and an ant in charge.
I can't imagine anyone here likes dodgy 'Arry at all, but he'd put the fear of god into that side. Needs must.
Wouldn't having somebody motivating them to play better give us a happier end result?
Think I'd rather see Ashley Westwood on a 10 year player/manager contract than have either Sherwood or Redknapp anywhere near the club.
I can't imagine anyone here likes dodgy 'Arry at all, but he'd put the fear of god into that side. Needs must.
Wouldn't having somebody motivating them to play better give us a happier end result?
We've had nice managers, they haven't worked. Last one who actually looked liked you wouldn't cross him was Houllier. MON was also an unpleasant nasty git but he knew tactics and motivation. So does Redknapp
I don't see anything twattish in it, Giggs is a good choice because he played for Fergie but that doesn't apply to Bruce, what makes the difference? Giggs would be a massive gamble made for the wrong reason.Im aware Steve Bruce played for United under Ferguson...my point was that Giggs spent 25 years winning every trophy going under the most successful manager ever..he might of picked up a thing or too along the way.
We need someone with experience who has a defined style of play that they trust and who is arrogant enough to know it's going to work even if it doesn't look like it is doing.
I can't give any examples because the "defined style of play" is the most important factor. Once we know what we want to be then we can look at managers to fill our needs. As an alternative I'd be tempted to try something ridiculous and totally out of our market by picking up someone who has been there and done it but either isn't working or is in a retirement job in China/USA. Someone like Bielsa for example. I know it's unlikely they'd join us but if Xia is as big a deal as we want him to be then maybe it's not quite so outlandish.
I can't imagine anyone here likes dodgy 'Arry at all, but he'd put the fear of god into that side. Needs must.
Wouldn't having somebody motivating them to play better give us a happier end result?
We've had nice managers, they haven't worked. Last one who actually looked liked you wouldn't cross him was Houllier. MON was also an unpleasant nasty git but he knew tactics and motivation. So does Redknapp
It's got nothing to do with being nice or nasty it's about being competent and tactically astute.
I don't see anything twattish in it, Giggs is a good choice because he played for Fergie but that doesn't apply to Bruce, what makes the difference? Giggs would be a massive gamble made for the wrong reason.Im aware Steve Bruce played for United under Ferguson...my point was that Giggs spent 25 years winning every trophy going under the most successful manager ever..he might of picked up a thing or too along the way.
We need someone with experience who has a defined style of play that they trust and who is arrogant enough to know it's going to work even if it doesn't look like it is doing.
I can't give any examples because the "defined style of play" is the most important factor. Once we know what we want to be then we can look at managers to fill our needs. As an alternative I'd be tempted to try something ridiculous and totally out of our market by picking up someone who has been there and done it but either isn't working or is in a retirement job in China/USA. Someone like Bielsa for example. I know it's unlikely they'd join us but if Xia is as big a deal as we want him to be then maybe it's not quite so outlandish.
I can't imagine anyone here likes dodgy 'Arry at all, but he'd put the fear of god into that side. Needs must.
Wouldn't having somebody motivating them to play better give us a happier end result?
We've had nice managers, they haven't worked. Last one who actually looked liked you wouldn't cross him was Houllier. MON was also an unpleasant nasty git but he knew tactics and motivation. So does Redknapp
It's got nothing to do with being nice or nasty it's about being competent and tactically astute.
you saying redknapp isn't? Compared to whom on the list? If you're a complete plank its hardly likely you'd get 30+ years as a manager
History is littered with planks who achieved fame and fortune.
History is littered with planks who achieved fame and fortune.
Promotions, 5th in the premier, trophies. My sort of plank.
I can't imagine anyone here likes dodgy 'Arry at all, but he'd put the fear of god into that side. Needs must.
Wouldn't having somebody motivating them to play better give us a happier end result?
We've had nice managers, they haven't worked. Last one who actually looked liked you wouldn't cross him was Houllier. MON was also an unpleasant nasty git but he knew tactics and motivation. So does Redknapp
It's got nothing to do with being nice or nasty it's about being competent and tactically astute.
you saying redknapp isn't? Compared to whom on the list? If you're a complete plank its hardly likely you'd get 30+ years as a manager
Yes but I'd say his last role suggests he was somewhat on the slide.
History is littered with planks who achieved fame and fortune.
Promotions, 5th in the premier, trophies. My sort of plank.
History is littered with planks who achieved fame and fortune.
Promotions, 5th in the premier, trophies. My sort of plank.
Hasn't he relegated or financially fucked up 3/4 clubs so far?
I am agreeing with you sickbeggar. Some of the most successful men and women I have ever met have been thick - outside their specific field.
So we'll all agreed then? Nasty dodgy 'Arry is the only man unpleasant enough to get something out this team of work-shy softies? Just think who'd he'd bin and added bonus he likes youth players. Him or Bruce? No contest for me,.
So we'll all agreed then? Nasty dodgy 'Arry is the only man unpleasant enough to get something out this team of work-shy softies? Just think who'd he'd bin and added bonus he likes youth players. Him or Bruce? No contest for me,.
There are other managers apart from those two.
Bevington is making Mills look like a right tit on Radio 5 live.
Is Curbishley still waiting for 'that one job'.
Bevington is making Mills look like a right tit on Radio 5 live.
It's not difficult
Bevington is making Mills look like a right tit on Radio 5 live.
It's not difficult
Even Sutton and Savage managed it.
I can't believe Sherwood's name is getting mentioned - really what does he have in his favour?
Bevington is making Mills look like a right tit on Radio 5 live.
It's not difficult
Even Sutton and Savage managed it.
I can't believe Sherwood's name is getting mentioned - really what does he have in his favour?
Personally i think we offer 'Arry everything he'd want. He doesn't need the the money but he sure wants some respect going on that interview on talk sport. We just want a winning team. We hate his guts, he hates ours. Match made in heaven personally, an alliance of convenience as it where.
For our predicament, I really don't think anyone can turn their nose up at Bruce.
We hate his guts, he hates ours.
Bevington is making Mills look like a right tit on Radio 5 live.
It's not difficult
Even Sutton and Savage managed it.
I can't believe Sherwood's name is getting mentioned - really what does he have in his favour?
I don't want him back,
but he did keep us up and get us to an FA cup final so there's a couple of decent things in his favour I'd have thought
Bevington is making Mills look like a right tit on Radio 5 live.
It's not difficult
Even Sutton and Savage managed it.
I can't believe Sherwood's name is getting mentioned - really what does he have in his favour?
Charisma and confidence.
Bevington is making Mills look like a right tit on Radio 5 live.
It's not difficult
Even Sutton and Savage managed it.
I can't believe Sherwood's name is getting mentioned - really what does he have in his favour?
Personally i think we offer 'Arry everything he'd want. He doesn't need the the money but he sure wants some respect going on that interview on talk sport. We just want a winning team. We hate his guts, he hates ours. Match made in heaven personally, an alliance of convenience as it where.
I really can't see him leaving his home on the south coast for us. Has he ever managed a club that required him to live elsewhere?
For our predicament, I really don't think anyone can turn their nose up at Bruce.
For our predicament, I really don't think anyone can turn their nose up at Bruce.
sorry mate, but I'm finding it quite easy to do that
We hate his guts, he hates ours.
Remind me how that worked for Clough/Leeds.
Bevington is making Mills look like a right tit on Radio 5 live.
It's not difficult
Even Sutton and Savage managed it.
I can't believe Sherwood's name is getting mentioned - really what does he have in his favour?
Charisma and confidence take you so far, then inevitably you hit a bad run, if that's all you are charisma and confidence then it's hard to turn it around. We do need both of those traits but as an addition to something far more important, tactical nous and an ideology.
Personally i think we offer 'Arry everything he'd want. He doesn't need the the money but he sure wants some respect going on that interview on talk sport. We just want a winning team. We hate his guts, he hates ours. Match made in heaven personally, an alliance of convenience as it where.
I really can't see him leaving his home on the south coast for us. Has he ever managed a club that required him to live elsewhere?
he's said he would manage us for free. I reckon that's bobbins probably but he'll do it no problem
We hate his guts, he hates ours.
Personally i think we offer 'Arry everything he'd want. He doesn't need the the money but he sure wants some respect going on that interview on talk sport. We just want a winning team. We hate his guts, he hates ours. Match made in heaven personally, an alliance of convenience as it where.
I really can't see him leaving his home on the south coast for us. Has he ever managed a club that required him to live elsewhere?
he's said he would manage us for free. I reckon that's bobbins probably but he'll do it no problem
I don't recall seeing that. Doesn't seem that interested here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/aston-villa-next-manager-harry-redknapp-rules-himself-out-of-job-and-says-club-should-look-to-lower-a6711871.html
Any nutter wanting Sherwood should be banned from Villa Park.Why is his name cropping up? It's a wind up, right?
We hate his guts, he hates ours.
Remind me how that worked for Clough/Leeds.
For our predicament, I really don't think anyone can turn their nose up at Bruce.
sorry mate, but I'm finding it quite easy to do that
Bruce took Wigan 2 highest PL position,S'Land to 3rd highest in 60 yrs,brought Hull up on outlay of £5.5m (incl wages),stayed up + Cup Final.
I assume it's not simply the blues connection that's putting some off? That would be pathetic
We hate his guts, he hates ours.
Remind me how that worked for Clough/Leeds.
if your talking about Bruce, you couldn't be more wrong, having spoken to him, when he was small heath manager, he knew who the big club was and said as much to me, imo he is "as a football manager" very professional.
We hate his guts, he hates ours.
"We" don't hate him, and he doesn't hate us - every time he talks on the subject he has spoken of his respect for the Villa and as I have said repeatedly, his closest friend in football was Brian Tiler. Where this supposed hatred comes from I've no idea.
We hate his guts, he hates ours.
"We" don't hate him, and he doesn't hate us - every time he talks on the subject he has spoken of his respect for the Villa and as I have said repeatedly, his closest friend in football was Brian Tiler. Where this supposed hatred comes from I've no idea.
I remember a few rucks where he took offence on the touchline from chants and lets face it i'm for him but i don't like him and you won't find many here who like him. I'd have him like i said. We need a guy like that.
We hate his guts, he hates ours.
Remind me how that worked for Clough/Leeds.
if your talking about Bruce, you couldn't be more wrong, having spoken to him, when he was small heath manager, he knew who the big club was and said as much to me, imo he is "as a football manager" very professional.
He was on about Redknapp, not Bruce.
So we'll all agreed then? Nasty dodgy 'Arry is the only man unpleasant enough to get something out this team of work-shy softies? Just think who'd he'd bin and added bonus he likes youth players. Him or Bruce? No contest for me,.
There are other managers apart from those two.
And who is your choice dave? Sorry, probably missed it
this is exactly what we need
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Can someone remind me what was Harry's last position and what happened there?
Can we just fucking employ someone from abroad. With talent. Who is as heavy a hitter as the salary we will pay dictates?
Fucking Bruce and Warnock and Smith and Rowett and whoever the fuck else (and if you are leaning in Sherwood's direction you should be fucking sectioned). Why the actual fuck would we want to put up with any of these?
2-4 million quid a year gets you Bielsa. It gets you Klinsmann. It gets you Van Gaal. It gets you Mancini. It gets you Rangnick. Or, forget it. I think that is my point.
We need someone that the dressing room looks at and says "shit, now he has pedigree". And Tone has the cash to make that a reality.
Punch our mother fucking weight for once and bring in an arrogant bastard who turns up his nose at our league position and this league.
"This league is shit and you shouldn't be in it. I will ensure you won't be for long".
So we'll all agreed then? Nasty dodgy 'Arry is the only man unpleasant enough to get something out this team of work-shy softies? Just think who'd he'd bin and added bonus he likes youth players. Him or Bruce? No contest for me,.
There are other managers apart from those two.
And who is your choice dave? Sorry, probably missed it
Of the underwhelming list in the summer I thought Hughton, and this season hasn't done anything to suggest that was a bad idea.
Did someone mention Hoddle?
Hasn't managed for about ten years and was a disaster in that last job at Wolves. Not too mention the baggage
Glen Hoddle never seems to appear on these prospective lists - he would certainly be someone who would be a perfect candidate to me.
It could work you know, he and Tone are both Scorpios.
Quite the opposite according to the wife. "They'd kill each other" being one of her reasons why it's a non-starter. Though a Scorpio herself, shes not a fan of Scorpio men. Either too bossy or over cautious, apparently.
Glen Hoddle never seems to appear on these prospective lists - he would certainly be someone who would be a perfect candidate to me.
It could work you know, he and Tone are both Scorpios.
Quite the opposite according to the wife. "They'd kill each other" being one of her reasons why it's a non-starter. Though a Scorpio herself, shes not a fan of Scorpio men. Either too bossy or over cautious, apparently.
Although they have their birthday on consecutive days, Tone was born in the Year of the Dragon while Hoddle is a cock.
Nobody mentioned so far seems an attractive proposition....Wagner mate Wagner. I wait to hear sweet music.
Let's hope we a pleasantly surprised by someone we haven't considered.
I'm a Scorpio/Dragon too.. sign me up Tony!I understand now ;D
So we'll all agreed then? Nasty dodgy 'Arry is the only man unpleasant enough to get something out this team of work-shy softies? Just think who'd he'd bin and added bonus he likes youth players. Him or Bruce? No contest for me,.
There are other managers apart from those two.
And who is your choice dave? Sorry, probably missed it
Of the underwhelming list in the summer I thought Hughton, and this season hasn't done anything to suggest that was a bad idea.
Did someone mention Hoddle?
Hasn't managed for about ten years and was a disaster in that last job at Wolves. Not too mention the baggage
What baggage??
Bruce has played at Man Utd and understands how bigger clubs operate. I think it'd be too risky appointing Wagner. Bruce is the stand out and obvious candidate.
So we'll all agreed then? Nasty dodgy 'Arry is the only man unpleasant enough to get something out this team of work-shy softies? Just think who'd he'd bin and added bonus he likes youth players. Him or Bruce? No contest for me,.
There are other managers apart from those two.
And who is your choice dave? Sorry, probably missed it
Of the underwhelming list in the summer I thought Hughton, and this season hasn't done anything to suggest that was a bad idea.
You'd be regretting his appointment by the 92,647th time you had to correct someone who called him "Houghton".
Did someone mention Hoddle?
Hasn't managed for about ten years and was a disaster in that last job at Wolves. Not too mention the baggage
What baggage?? Name any manager who hasn't had a "disaster" along the way. All of the managers mentioned have had them so that shouldn't be a bar to getting Hoddle. The thought of seeing Bruce, Redknapp, Warnock!! Or any of the others at Villa Park makes me want to vomit
Can someone remind me what was Harry's last position and what happened there?His last position was "well there is nothing wrong with having a little flutter on your own team. the lads did it" and nothing happened as everyone said "well thats Arry for you".
So I think Clark would be fine.So we'll all agreed then? Nasty dodgy 'Arry is the only man unpleasant enough to get something out this team of work-shy softies? Just think who'd he'd bin and added bonus he likes youth players. Him or Bruce? No contest for me,.
There are other managers apart from those two.
And who is your choice dave? Sorry, probably missed it
Of the underwhelming list in the summer I thought Hughton, and this season hasn't done anything to suggest that was a bad idea.
You'd be regretting his appointment by the 92,647th time you had to correct someone who called him "Houghton".
Urgh, you're right of course.
Scratch him from the list.
It is going to have to be Dean Smith, on the basis that everyone should then be able to spell his name correctly.
Bruce has played at Man Utd and understands how bigger clubs operate. I think it'd be too risky appointing Wagner. Bruce is the stand out and obvious candidate.
After MacLeish I'm surprised Bruce has so many votes in poll but get his big club mentality from playing days and could probably give out some shit in dressing room as opposed to RDM who seemed to placid for that.
Is Harry's right hand man Kevin bond still here too, if so there's a link. If Clarke gets appointed who was his previous back room teams ?
Who ever it ends up being will need to be a magician.
He'll need pull two decent midfielders out of his arse without blinking. ..
What's Iain Dowie up to?
SouthgateI quite like him. But in his interview today he said how important it was for Rooney to keep hold of the captaincy. Now IMO Rooney represents the last remnants of the cursed golden generation and should be dropped altogether.
Bruce has played at Man Utd and understands how bigger clubs operate. I think it'd be too risky appointing Wagner. Bruce is the stand out and obvious candidate.
Bruce has played at Man Utd and understands how bigger clubs operate. I think it'd be too risky appointing Wagner. Bruce is the stand out and obvious candidate.
Wagner worked at Borrussia Dortmund didn't he?
Bruce has played at Man Utd and understands how bigger clubs operate. I think it'd be too risky appointing Wagner. Bruce is the stand out and obvious candidate.
Wagner worked at Borrussia Dortmund didn't he?
Tim said he wants the job.
Finally seen something more mental on Twitter than people wanting Sherwood back. A chap has told Dr Tony to go and get Diego Simeone. Yes really.
Tim said he wants the job.
Did someone mention Hoddle?
Hasn't managed for about ten years and was a disaster in that last job at Wolves. Not too mention the baggage
What baggage??
The bit where he said that disabled people were paying the price for bad things they must have done in a previous life.
And Diamond Lights
Did someone mention Hoddle?
Hasn't managed for about ten years and was a disaster in that last job at Wolves. Not too mention the baggage
What baggage??
The bit where he said that disabled people were paying the price for bad things they must have done in a previous life.
And Diamond Lights
And the purple nylon golfing shirts he was wearing on ITV's Euros coverage.
A sherwood/Bruce dream team.? Sherwood can do the interviews while bruce concentrates on producing dull lifeless football?
I wonder if a Brendan Rogers might fancy it.
Did someone mention Hoddle?
Hasn't managed for about ten years and was a disaster in that last job at Wolves. Not too mention the baggage
What baggage??
The bit where he said that disabled people were paying the price for bad things they must have done in a previous life.
And Diamond Lights
And the purple nylon golfing shirts he was wearing on ITV's Euros coverage.
And for saying "you have to put a bit of swazz on it" in his half-time analysis.
I wonder if a Brendan Rogers might fancy it.He's got the easiest job in the world. They will piss the Mickey Mouse league and if he wins a couple of games in Europe he'll have exceeded expectation. Our job, after the England job, is probably the most poisoned chalice in football.
Ok so not Hoddle then. He's made mistakes, who hasn't? Provided he dosnt still hold reprehensible views or sings he's my choice. If not, I'd have a try for Gareth Southgate
Did someone mention Hoddle?
Hasn't managed for about ten years and was a disaster in that last job at Wolves. Not too mention the baggage
What baggage??
The bit where he said that disabled people were paying the price for bad things they must have done in a previous life.
And Diamond Lights
And the purple nylon golfing shirts he was wearing on ITV's Euros coverage.
And for saying "you have to put a bit of swazz on it" in his half-time analysis.
A sherwood/Bruce dream team.? Sherwood can do the interviews while bruce concentrates on producing dull lifeless football?
By 'dream' you mean 'nightmare', obviously.
I wonder how long they have been searching for a replacement before sacking RDM
Bielsa is available I think. Christ that would be my dream appointment.
Bielsa is available I think. Christ that would be my dream appointment.
Agreed, but have the powers that be got the imagination to even consider him?
Bielsa is available I think. Christ that would be my dream appointment.
The last 5 years have been fucking horrible. If we have to have dull and boring and no style Bruce to get us stable and promoted so be it. Hull twice in last 3 years was it? With a tenth of our budget? There are no certainties but don't we need someone to get us up?
Bruce is the easy choice. Not working...When can you start Steve?...er Thursday. ...okay you're hired.
I do wonder if I'm on a different planet to others when I see some of these names mentioned. Warnock, Hoddle, Fat Sam, Tim, Rednapp....really?
Bielsa is available I think. Christ that would be my dream appointment.
El Loco...Yes please...
"Eager to instil teams with a hunger for attacking football, Bielsa has a reverence for experimentation in football. From replicating forecasted matchday conditions by tweaking the training pitch, to marking player boots in order to outline where they should connect with the ball, the Argentine lives and breathes the beautiful game and is considered as a tactical pioneer in the modern football world, hence why so many have opted to take a leaf out of his book. "
Pep and Pochettino are two well-known disciples.
The last 5 years have been fucking horrible. If we have to have dull and boring and no style Bruce to get us stable and promoted so be it. Hull twice in last 3 years was it? With a tenth of our budget? There are no certainties but don't we need someone to get us up?
Some creative thinking there. I wasn't excited by the original poll list, couldn't seen any name on there I'd fancy.
Continuing my earlier post about systems rather than one man appointed, It might just be that RDM got in the way of match day adjustments that others would make, and the basic system they started to put in place at BMH 3 months ago would have come good. We can scour the lists of: Who is out of work (Only one with recent exp is Bruce), who we can poach (bad form, and having seen the start we've made who'd jump?), or cut to the chase we could give Clarke a bid of breathing space, add any support the board and advisers etc. might consider approriate and keep building with him. Can't be too hard to turn our high drawing ratio into some kind of acceptable win ratio.
Otherwise we might try another, spend 2,3,4 mill on compo when popular support evaporates, rinse and repeat. Owner wouldn't like that much.
Did someone mention Hoddle?
Hasn't managed for about ten years and was a disaster in that last job at Wolves. Not too mention the baggage
Ryan Giggs! Where do these stories come from?
Bielsa is available I think. Christ that would be my dream appointment.
I still thank Sherwood for 3 great months and getting to the FA Cup final and a near miracle keeping us up. Some great football including a great performance against Liverpool in the semi. He was unlucky losing Vlaar, Delph, Cleverley and Benteke and having no final say on recruitment. I still want Bruce to takeover as he will certainly tighten the defence and instill some much needed discipline.
Glen Hoddle never seems to appear on these prospective lists - he would certainly be someone who would be a perfect candidate to me.
It could work you know, he and Tone are both Scorpios.
Quite the opposite according to the wife. "They'd kill each other" being one of her reasons why it's a non-starter. Though a Scorpio herself, shes not a fan of Scorpio men. Either too bossy or over cautious, apparently.
Did someone mention Hoddle?
Hasn't managed for about ten years and was a disaster in that last job at Wolves. Not too mention the baggage
What baggage??
The bit where he said that disabled people were paying the price for bad things they must have done in a previous life.
And Diamond Lights
And the purple nylon golfing shirts he was wearing on ITV's Euros coverage.
And for saying "you have to put a bit of swazz on it" in his half-time analysis.
The Guardian, maybe speculatively, report that we want Wagner and have Bruce as the fall back option. That really excites me (Wagner) and would in my humble opinion represent more strategic thinking than the previous chuck it at the wall and see if it sticks thinking
I still thank Sherwood for 3 great months and getting to the FA Cup final and a near miracle keeping us up. Some great football including a great performance against Liverpool in the semi. He was unlucky losing Vlaar, Delph, Cleverley and Benteke and having no final say on recruitment. I still want Bruce to takeover as he will certainly tighten the defence and instill some much needed discipline.
You might want to re-visit his comments on incoming players when they were signed. According to TS at the time, he had the final say on each and every one of them, and apparently had been monitoring some of them for years. His stance after he was sacked after an abysmal start to the season naturally was 'nothing to do with me, guv, honest!'
I'll thank him for coming in and giving some good players the confidence they needed, enabling Villa to stay up. But I do wish Villa had replaced him during the summer.
Bielsa is available I think. Christ that would be my dream appointment.
El Loco...Yes please...
"Eager to instil teams with a hunger for attacking football, Bielsa has a reverence for experimentation in football. From replicating forecasted matchday conditions by tweaking the training pitch, to marking player boots in order to outline where they should connect with the ball, the Argentine lives and breathes the beautiful game and is considered as a tactical pioneer in the modern football world, hence why so many have opted to take a leaf out of his book. "
Pep and Pochettino are two well-known disciples.
The Guardian, maybe speculatively, report that we want Wagner and have Bruce as the fall back option. That really excites me (Wagner) and would in my humble opinion represent more strategic thinking than the previous chuck it at the wall and see if it sticks thinking
Missed this bit out:
"On 6 July 2016, Bielsa was appointed manager of Italian Serie A club Lazio. However, just two days later, on 8 July, Bielsa quit as the club's manager, prompting Lazio to issue legal action against Bielsa for breach of contract, suing him for €50 million".
Sounds like just the man we need in our current plight.
The Guardian, maybe speculatively, report that we want Wagner and have Bruce as the fall back option. That really excites me (Wagner) and would in my humble opinion represent more strategic thinking than the previous chuck it at the wall and see if it sticks thinking
I was reading about Wagner and in pre-season he took their squad away for a bonding session in the wilderness. I really like the idea of taking the likes of Westwood and Elphick out to the wilderness, say the middle of Svalbard, and leaving them there.
Missed this bit out:
"On 6 July 2016, Bielsa was appointed manager of Italian Serie A club Lazio. However, just two days later, on 8 July, Bielsa quit as the club's manager, prompting Lazio to issue legal action against Bielsa for breach of contract, suing him for €50 million".
Sounds like just the man we need in our current plight.
Why not also add the bit about leaving Marseille in 2015 after disagreeing with the executive management ? He doesn't suffer fools and has principals..."Sounds like just the man we need in our current plight"
Missed this bit out:
"On 6 July 2016, Bielsa was appointed manager of Italian Serie A club Lazio. However, just two days later, on 8 July, Bielsa quit as the club's manager, prompting Lazio to issue legal action against Bielsa for breach of contract, suing him for €50 million".
Sounds like just the man we need in our current plight.
Why not also add the bit about leaving Marseille in 2015 after disagreeing with the executive management ? He doesn't suffer fools and has principals..."Sounds like just the man we need in our current plight"
I still thank Sherwood for 3 great months and getting to the FA Cup final and a near miracle keeping us up. Some great football including a great performance against Liverpool in the semi. He was unlucky losing Vlaar, Delph, Cleverley and Benteke and having no final say on recruitment. I still want Bruce to takeover as he will certainly tighten the defence and instill some much needed discipline.
You might want to re-visit his comments on incoming players when they were signed. According to TS at the time, he had the final say on each and every one of them, and apparently had been monitoring some of them for years. His stance after he was sacked after an abysmal start to the season naturally was 'nothing to do with me, guv, honest!'
I'll thank him for coming in and giving some good players the confidence they needed, enabling Villa to stay up. But I do wish Villa had replaced him during the summer.
oh come on now. I'm no sherwood fan but its blatently obvious he has little to do with a lot of the signings and while he got his say on some, a lot of them were part of a club policy of bringing in cheap/young/promising players with the hope of flogging them for millions 2 years down the line. Yes he lied at the time, but there was little else he could do apart from resign and he wasn't going to do that , anymore than TSM and Lambert did. You employ yesmen and that's what you get, though he shouldn't have moaned about it afterwards.
I am at a loss as to who to suggest. We are between a rock and a hard place. There are no stand out candidates and however much people talk about "we are Villa .....", I do not believe there are good managers out there ready to jump at the chance. They haven't before, so why would they now.
The right solution would be to get somebody in that would give his all for the club, so this would probably mean an established lesser known manager, rather than a media whore name manager and give him time. The problem with this is that any new manager will probably only have 60% support of the fans. People are less tolerant of not getting their own way and, if results starting going the wrong way, they will jump on the manager. So, where does this leave us? I don't know.
We need a manager of the present and future, not of the past. Somebody else raised the point, football has changed in the last 5 years and unless current managers have changed in this time, managers from the past should not be considered.
A few other points:
1. We do not have a good team
2. We have a collection of good Championship players
3. Good players do not always equate to a good team
4. People forget that we only have a couple of PL quality players (and only lower level at that). The rest are Championship players and need time to work together to form a team. They cannot just hit the ground running like PL players or come in and go out of the team frequently without it affecting them.
5. RDM failed because he did not recognise during the summer that we have a very weak midfield. Training ground performances do not equate to the heat of the game on match days. We are 2 players short in the squad. We should not need 2 defensive midfield players at this level if we want to finish at the top. I believe that if we had had two extra decent players, we would not be in the current position
6. We cannot afford to have more than one 'luxury' player in the side at any one time
It will be interesting if Steve Clarke is picking the team against Wolves (assuming we have not appointed somebody by then), who he will pick and what formation he plays. If it is very similar, it will demonstrate that he is also part of the problem.
Clarke would be Lambert mk II
Has Marcelino been thrown into the discussion? He seems like the business.
I will say I do like the blunt thought process of going after Wagner.I don't think Guardiola is a realistic target. Oh I see, we're not in that league anymore.
Board: "We need a new manager if we want to win the league."
Dr.X :"Done. Who is at the top of the league? Go get him."
Feels appropriately big time to me.
Has Marcelino been thrown into the discussion? He seems like the business.
Good manager. Tony would love the promotion and a champions league place on his CV. However, didn't he just walk out on Villareal?
A lot of big outlets now reporting that Wagner is our #1. I don't see him leaving HT, not even a little bit. Hope I'm wrong.
I saw a clip on Twitter of Adrian Bevington speaking on 5Live and thought he generally summed it up fairly well - new ownership model, heavy investment but after five years of decay, something at the club still doesn't feel quite right and it needs a strong person to come in and sort it out.
If it is him though, would you be faster to turn because of those links? Genuine question to see if fans that don't want him because of where he worked would give him the same time as anyone else?
Personally, the ex-nose thing doesn't bother me in the slightest to be honest.
Personally, the ex-nose thing doesn't bother me in the slightest to be honest.
In fairness to the media, there are plenty who seem unwilling to consider a Nose regardless of their track record. It seems stupid to me but I won't deny that people who hold that such views exist. Similarly, when we appointed McLeish, just about everyone I saw interviewed was unable to articulate quite sensible opposition to the move on the basis of his relegation record or atrocious football. There was almost a unanimous "we don't want any Blosers" from those who got themselves on telly or in the paper.
Mind you this bloke Wagner looks interesting.Doesnt stand any messing about and is very demanding. German/American but only been over here a year or so.Doc Xia would be taking a chance if he goes for him.
I have a number of problems with Steve Bruce, none of them Bordesley Green related. I think the Villa job would kill him. He looks every inch a leading contender for a cardiac arrest. He is bloated and drinks immoderately. I wish him no ill will at all but we have all seen what the Villa job does to a man. Remi Garde walked in looking like Yves Montand and staggered out three months later like Papillon escaping from Devil's Island. Lambert arrived like Braveheart and left like Rab C Nesbitt the morning after a meths bender. I just can't see Brucie collaring Gabby and telling him to sweat off the blubber.
My humble and respectful advice to Wyness if he wants Bruce is to send him to Charlie N'Zogbia's specialist for an MOT.
Gold at St Andrex? When did that happen?In fairness to the media, there are plenty who seem unwilling to consider a Nose regardless of their track record. It seems stupid to me but I won't deny that people who hold that such views exist. Similarly, when we appointed McLeish, just about everyone I saw interviewed was unable to articulate quite sensible opposition to the move on the basis of his relegation record or atrocious football. There was almost a unanimous "we don't want any Blosers" from those who got themselves on telly or in the paper.
Well, there is an editing process that decides who and what gets on telly or in the paper. And I don't expect all football fans to be measured and reasonable. But I think I know enough about human nature to understand that people will gladly accept their hated neighbour's gold, but not their shit.
He's had enough Charrnsezz
I wouldn't be surprised if they gamble on Giggs......well known in the Far East via Man Utd.....didn't get the Swansea job as his interview was "underwhelming".That would be a massive mistake / gamble. Just to sell a few shirts? The Chinese would buy loads with Giggs on the back but 99.99% would be Man U tops.
I have a number of problems with Steve Bruce, none of them Bordesley Green related. I think the Villa job would kill him. He looks every inch a leading contender for a cardiac arrest. He is bloated and drinks immoderately. I wish him no ill will at all but we have all seen what the Villa job does to a man. Remi Garde walked in looking like Yves Montand and staggered out three months later like Papillon escaping from Devil's Island. Lambert arrived like Braveheart and left like Rab C Nesbitt the morning after a meths bender. I just can't see Brucie collaring Gabby and telling him to sweat off the blubber.
My humble and respectful advice to Wyness if he wants Bruce is to send him to Charlie N'Zogbia's specialist for an MOT.
I have a number of problems with Steve Bruce, none of them Bordesley Green related. I think the Villa job would kill him. He looks every inch a leading contender for a cardiac arrest. He is bloated and drinks immoderately. I wish him no ill will at all but we have all seen what the Villa job does to a man. Remi Garde walked in looking like Yves Montand and staggered out three months later like Papillon escaping from Devil's Island. Lambert arrived like Braveheart and left like Rab C Nesbitt the morning after a meths bender. I just can't see Brucie collaring Gabby and telling him to sweat off the blubber.That brightened up a cold Northumbrian morning, I always enjoy BG's posts.
My humble and respectful advice to Wyness if he wants Bruce is to send him to Charlie N'Zogbia's specialist for an MOT.
I have a number of problems with Steve Bruce, none of them Bordesley Green related. I think the Villa job would kill him. He looks every inch a leading contender for a cardiac arrest. He is bloated and drinks immoderately. I wish him no ill will at all but we have all seen what the Villa job does to a man. Remi Garde walked in looking like Yves Montand and staggered out three months later like Papillon escaping from Devil's Island. Lambert arrived like Braveheart and left like Rab C Nesbitt the morning after a meths bender. I just can't see Brucie collaring Gabby and telling him to sweat off the blubber.
My humble and respectful advice to Wyness if he wants Bruce is to send him to Charlie N'Zogbia's specialist for an MOT.
I wouldn't be surprised if they gamble on Giggs......well known in the Far East via Man Utd.....didn't get the Swansea job as his interview was "underwhelming".
Problem with sacking a manager at this stage is that there are slim pickings of available managers.On the contrary. Bruce and BFS are serious contenders- and available.
This thread is becoming a treasure trove of Tarantino imagery. I want our new manager to be more like Marcellus with a samurai sword in his hand.
Given what being villa manager does to a career it may be entirely possible nobody wants the job and we end up with Steve Clark. Ugh.
To be honest, it's not a bad idea to give Clarke the 5 matches before the next international break to see if he can have an immediate impact and get say 10 points or more. It's another spin of the wheel, and let's face it, it's got to that stage now.
I see Gary Thompson has said we should hire Bielsa. If it could ever happen it would be great because what the football club really needs is for someone to take it by the scruff of the neck and pull it round.Hiring someone with no Champ experience would be a huge risk - like hiring Remi Garde.
I voted for Hughton as he seems capable of sorting a team out and has been promoted out of this league with Newcastle. Couldn't care less about being ex blues.
If it's Bruce then fine as he has what it takes to get us out of this league, he's done it 4 times? Before.
In all honesty I don't think anyone is 100% guaranteed to get us up, something seems very wrong deep down at the villa these days, perhaps the squad need a bit of a revolution in terms of fitness and attitude, Wagner seems to be of that ilk but has no proven track record.
Will many want to come here if they are doing well at there current clubs anyway, Wagner,Hughton to name two are doing a decent job at Huddersfield and Brighton respectively so would they even want to come? Bruce would jump at it I'm sure.
Not sure who posted about giving the manager £2-4m per season to come and mange us, really go for broke and get a top drawer manager. Good point but who would come?
Has Giggs ever lost at Villa Park? I don't think he has so there is one positive at least!
I see Gary Thompson has said we should hire Bielsa. If it could ever happen it would be great because what the football club really needs is for someone to take it by the scruff of the neck and pull it round.I'd hire Bielsa just for the chance of the team walking out to "Bielsa bub has a devil put aside for me, for meee for meeeee" and the whole of Villa Park to start headbanging. That would get the place rocking......
Has Giggs ever lost at Villa Park? I don't think he has so there is one positive at least!
didn't he play in the "you don't win anything with kids" game?
I see Gary Thompson has said we should hire Bielsa. If it could ever happen it would be great because what the football club really needs is for someone to take it by the scruff of the neck and pull it round.Hiring someone with no Champ experience would be a huge risk - like hiring Remi Garde.
Regarding Bruce, I have no problem with his previous employers but, as I said elsewhere last night, Bruce is tactically inept and God knows we've had enough of those over the past few years.
That would be a dream. In reality, I don't expect a genuinely World Class manager to take over in the Championship which is why I favour Warnock as a short-term fix rather than being lumbered with someone like Bruce for a number of years.
Get Warnock, get promoted, thank Warnock very much for his trouble, appoint someone like Bielsa.
Heimir Hallgrimsson and Lars Lagerback.Oh you and your infatuation with nordic names :)
Sorted!
To be honest, it's not a bad idea to give Clarke the 5 matches before the next international break to see if he can have an immediate impact and get say 10 points or more. It's another spin of the wheel, and let's face it, it's got to that stage now.
if a new manager comes in he's on notice anyway, if he can do as you say it might just save his position and make the saving on breaking his contract and paying compensation for an incomer of questionable pedigree?
if he couldn't do it then he's toast anyway.
oh and we would be in deep shit too
I don't buy this "must have Championship experience" bollix.
Every time I start to reconcile myself to Bruce I suddenly think 'oh God no' for some reason. Probably not rational, though nothing to do with Blose. Maybe something about his face?
In seriousness, he plays a style of football which I'm not convinced suits us or our players. We've looked at our best this season when attacking bravely, and at our worst every time we've sat back or played three in defence - two Bruce trademarks.
As a result he'd probably need next summer to buy in a defence, and them a bit of time for it to settle (unless he can somehow get some exceptional January business fine). I'm not sure that I'd be happy waiting around, stabilising in the championship, and banking on an old-fashioned defensive manager to eventually get it right.
The club doesn't need more old-fashioned, win-yer-headers, bibs-and-cones football IMO - it needs an adrenaline shot right to the heart like Uma Thurman in Pulp Fiction.
If it is him though, would you be faster to turn because of those links? Genuine question to see if fans that don't want him because of where he worked would give him the same time as anyone else?
Yeah, probably. His style of football was dreadful as well so that's something else I wouldn't be looking forward too. Sounds ridiculous I know, but I just can't be having him at the Villa.
Harry Redknapp on Talksport said Sherwood shouldn't have been sacked. Then said he himself would take the job for free until the end of the season, we would only have to pay him if we got into the play offs.
Lunatic.
I'd rather be managerless than have any of these twats linked. Redknapp? Fuck off you crooked melted criminal. Giggs? Vomit inducing.
I'd rather have Roger Milla, Prince Charles and an ant in charge.
If it is him though, would you be faster to turn because of those links? Genuine question to see if fans that don't want him because of where he worked would give him the same time as anyone else?
Yeah, probably. His style of football was dreadful as well so that's something else I wouldn't be looking forward too. Sounds ridiculous I know, but I just can't be having him at the Villa.
I am in total childish agreement with you on the prospect of Steve Bruce as manager. I think the issue I have with him is several fold. He was there a long time and no amount of scrubbing with wire brushes will rid him of the taint of Small Heath. I will always associate his tenure there with tossers like Savage and Morrison on the pitch and Sullivan, the Golds and Brady off it. There were snippy comments about us too which annoyed me at the time and historically, the goals he scored in the original Fergie Time against Sheffield Wednesday continue to rankle. I'd have no such issue with Rowett or Hughton but him? Nah. Remember him this way.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41565000/jpg/_41565624_villafans.jpg)
Bruce would probably get us promoted, but would then get us relegated again unless replaced.
If it is him though, would you be faster to turn because of those links? Genuine question to see if fans that don't want him because of where he worked would give him the same time as anyone else?
Yeah, probably. His style of football was dreadful as well so that's something else I wouldn't be looking forward too. Sounds ridiculous I know, but I just can't be having him at the Villa.
I am in total childish agreement with you on the prospect of Steve Bruce as manager. I think the issue I have with him is several fold. He was there a long time and no amount of scrubbing with wire brushes will rid him of the taint of Small Heath. I will always associate his tenure there with tossers like Savage and Morrison on the pitch and Sullivan, the Golds and Brady off it. There were snippy comments about us too which annoyed me at the time and historically, the goals he scored in the original Fergie Time against Sheffield Wednesday continue to rankle. I'd have no such issue with Rowett or Hughton but him? Nah. Remember him this way.
I don't think there'd be much opposition to him based on his previous conviction at first, but should things ever go wrong it would be thrown at him immediately.
I have a number of problems with Steve Bruce, none of them Bordesley Green related. I think the Villa job would kill him. He looks every inch a leading contender for a cardiac arrest. He is bloated and drinks immoderately. I wish him no ill will at all but we have all seen what the Villa job does to a man. Remi Garde walked in looking like Yves Montand and staggered out three months later like Papillon escaping from Devil's Island. Lambert arrived like Braveheart and left like Rab C Nesbitt the morning after a meths bender. I just can't see Brucie collaring Gabby and telling him to sweat off the blubber.Made me laugh. I do worry what Wyness might look like when he leaves to be honest.
My humble and respectful advice to Wyness if he wants Bruce is to send him to Charlie N'Zogbia's specialist for an MOT.
Steve Cotterill who got Bristol City promoted to the Championship and then got the sack after a few months in the Championship, if he is the best option then I honestly think we should just accept that we will never get back to the Premier League!
Why am I reading on Twitter that Steve Cotterill has been interviewed? For what exactly?
Anyhow, if he got us up then Bruce would have served his purpose surely? He has done that twice in the last 3 seasons. Got to be worth a look.
I've never really had a problem with Bruce during his managerial years,and that despite the fact that he is shit...you are very kind indeed.
Doesnt Bruce have a record of walking away when things get tough or am I dreaming that?A quick browse through his Wikipedia managerial career seems to confirm this, certainly early on. You could argue however that he was only trying to further his career by moving on to bigger better things such as when he left Blues to join Wigan. The Wikipedia page also led me here (http://www.espnfc.com/story/1044893/steve-bruce-blames-hatred-for-sunderland-dismissal) which doesn't bode particularly well for a future with Villa either.
Sky saying we're interviewing Steve Cotterill 🙈🙈
I've never really had a problem with Bruce during his managerial years,and that despite the fact that he is shit...you are very kind indeed.
Of course Bruce would jump at the job, is as reported he still lives locally it is a no brainer for him.
i think the thing is with Bruce is this would be his biggest job. He has a good record of promotion on limited resources . I think that affects the style of play. If he had been able to go and buy more quality , perhaps the playing style would be different . If he does come, this would probably be the first time he has an expensive squad
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37552009
Cardiff have just sacked their manager after 2 wins in 11 games.
Neil Warnock is favourite for the job.
That John Sitton bloke might put the cat amongst the pigeons. I'd sooner him than Cotterill anyway.
Doesnt Bruce have a record of walking away when things get tough or am I dreaming that?
That John Sitton bloke might put the cat amongst the pigeons. I'd sooner him than Cotterill anyway.
I'll never tire of watching that. It's truly beautiful.
We are entering that stage (one day after the previous bloke was fired) where some people are start to brick it over the most tenuous and fragile of links and rumours. It would be so massively not to have to go through this every few months. Way I look at it, Wyness has been round the block and isn't going to be linked with appointing a mug to replace RDM. Brian Little is still very involved and Steve Round in what will be his first massive decision isn't going to be giving the keys to Aaron Villa to the likes of Steve Cotterill.
I saw Cotterill was trending on twitter and joked I bet he's getting out job and laughed then I clicked it and ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
please tell me it's a joke
We might be going the odd (but increasingly Villa) was of appointing an assistant first. Or he could be part of the new set-up in some other way, scouting or whatever.
If it is for the top job they want shooting.
I've just sent my CV to the club.
I've just sent my CV to the club.
I've just sent my CV to the club.
That John Sitton bloke might put the cat amongst the pigeons. I'd sooner him than Cotterill anyway.
I'll never tire of watching that. It's truly beautiful.
Bring your fucking dinner!
The worrying thing is the a new manager is always the one who is fancied and the 'bigged up' by a particular individual.
Like the individual who thought it was a good idea to appoint McLeish and the convinced the owner it was a good idea.
Lets hope the new man is selected based on a consensus throughout the whole board and not on a single persons whim !
The worrying thing is the a new manager is always the one who is fancied and the 'bigged up' by a particular individual.
Like the individual who thought it was a good idea to appoint McLeish and the convinced the owner it was a good idea.
Lets hope the new man is selected based on a consensus throughout the whole board and not on a single persons whim !
Do we actually know who, why and how McLeish was appointed? Has that story actually come out?
I've just sent my CV to the club.
Please let that mean you've had enough of ruining AC/DC ;D
I've just sent my CV to the club.
You can talk sense - you're over qualified!
i think the thing is with Bruce is this would be his biggest job. He has a good record of promotion on limited resources . I think that affects the style of play. If he had been able to go and buy more quality , perhaps the playing style would be different . If he does come, this would probably be the first time he has an expensive squad
General Krulak had a similar outlook when we brought in TSM. "Imagine what this trophy winning manager can do with our resources!" And to be fair, he took them down on 39 points and kept us up with 38.
When does everyone think our new man will be in place by?
I'm predicting that he will be announced Friday/Monday
Said this yesterday - go and get a top half premiership manager, or someone from abroad who has won top tier leagues. We need to be looking at someone not just to get us promoted, but once there, with a prayer of keeping us there.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/luton-boss-nathan-jones-shock-8978297
Are the press going to link any manager that has beaten or drawn against Villa in the last few months,
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/luton-boss-nathan-jones-shock-8978297
Are the press going to link any manager that has beaten or drawn against Villa in the last few months,
It's good to see him mentioned though, he's been gone too long.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/luton-boss-nathan-jones-shock-8978297
Are the press going to link any manager that has beaten or drawn against Villa in the last few months,
It's good to see him mentioned though, he's been gone too long.
a Bruce appointment would be right up there with the Mcliesh one for me
A boring safe pair of hands with a truck load of bagage and a million things that could and probably will go wrong
even worse than Mcliesh in some ways as Alex did at least win some stuff
unlike Bruce who is a serial loser with a couple of promotions that loads of other people have including the chap we just chucked to show for his years in management
A disaster waiting to happen.............imo
a Bruce appointment would be right up there with the Mcliesh one for me
A boring safe pair of hands with a truck load of bagage and a million things that could and probably will go wrong
even worse than Mcliesh in some ways as Alex did at least win some stuff
unlike Bruce who is a serial loser with a couple of promotions that loads of other people have including the chap we just chucked to show for his years in management
A disaster waiting to happen.............imo
I mean loser isn't true is it? He's been promoted 3 times I think and he got Wigan to their best Premier League finish. He is no way worse than McLeish.
When does everyone think our new man will be in place by?
I'm predicting that he will be announced Friday/Monday
It's my birthday on Sunday so if it is someone really brilliant -Sunday. If it is someone really dire - any day except Sunday
every manager we've appointed since mo'n except Mr Houllier have at best been out of left field, wagner read lambert, The job is to big for them,
Steve Bruce is the safe pair of hands to get us promoted, give him a contract based on that, with a Brucie bonus for reaching the holy grail. and depending on how he achieves promotion the first offer of an extension to his contract.
every manager we've appointed since mo'n except Mr Houllier have at best been out of left field, wagner read lambert, The job is to big for them,
Steve Bruce is the safe pair of hands to get us promoted, give him a contract based on that, with a Brucie bonus for reaching the holy grail. and depending on how he achieves promotion the first offer of an extension to his contract.
Houllier was totally out of left field. He'd been out of front line management for how long? And, as it proved, with good reason as his health couldn't take it. Lambert was a logical choice in my mind. No-one could have predicted the abomination he became.
If it's Bruce (not my choice) they give him a medical. He looks a pork pie away from a cardiac arrest...
If it's Bruce (not my choice) they give him a medical. He looks a pork pie away from a cardiac arrest...
Just reading up on Wagner.
Back in November 2015, his second game in charge, Huddersfield lost 2-0 to Boro. Despite losing, at the end of the game the fans gave the team a standing ovation and Boro manager, Aitor Karanka said, “Huddersfield looked like the top team, not us.” Even after just one month in charge, a Huddersfield fans said that "Wagner has implemented, in a matter of weeks, a new style of football which is very easy on the eye. The team look strong, and so it is a nice time to be a fan of Huddersfield Town."
He left Dortmund mid-season to join Huddersfield on the advise of Klopp. I wonder would he do the same to join us? Sadly, I don't think he will.
If it's Bruce (not my choice) they give him a medical. He looks a pork pie away from a cardiac arrest...
Would we still sing "sit down potato head " if he was one of ours !?
every manager we've appointed since mo'n except Mr Houllier have at best been out of left field, wagner read lambert, The job is to big for them,
Steve Bruce is the safe pair of hands to get us promoted, give him a contract based on that, with a Brucie bonus for reaching the holy grail. and depending on how he achieves promotion the first offer of an extension to his contract.
Houllier was totally out of left field. He'd been out of front line management for how long? And, as it proved, with good reason as his health couldn't take it. Lambert was a logical choice in my mind. No-one could have predicted the abomination he became.
Mr Houllier was a stella manager, ie he had got form, and imo if not for his health would have got us right. the rest of the managers have been utter tosh,
I don't feel we can fuck about, Bruce is a safe shout.
i think the thing is with Bruce is this would be his biggest job. He has a good record of promotion on limited resources . I think that affects the style of play. If he had been able to go and buy more quality , perhaps the playing style would be different . If he does come, this would probably be the first time he has an expensive squad
i think the thing is with Bruce is this would be his biggest job. He has a good record of promotion on limited resources . I think that affects the style of play. If he had been able to go and buy more quality , perhaps the playing style would be different . If he does come, this would probably be the first time he has an expensive squad
His sides get worse the money he spends.
He did a good job at Sunderland in 09/10...then spent 11m on Connor Wickham and was sacked a few months later.
Same at Hulll...got them up, kept them up and to a cup final on limited resources and then relegated them after spending 30 odd million in summer 2014.
SHA was also the same.
I'd probably sum up my thoughts by saying I'd be o.k with him managing us in the championship and reckon he'll get us up in 18 months but I wouldn't be overjoyed at the prospect of him spending 50m in the prem and would hope Dr Tony would be ruthless and look for an upgrade.
My guess is we'll stick it out with Clarke for a few weeks until Moyes gets sacked at Sunderland then Wyness and Round will call their old Everton mate to take the Villa job.
My guess is we'll stick it out with Clarke for a few weeks until Moyes gets sacked at Sunderland then Wyness and Round will call their old Everton mate to take the Villa job.
I wouldn't want Moyes now. A spent force.
My guess is we'll stick it out with Clarke for a few weeks until Moyes gets sacked at Sunderland then Wyness and Round will call their old Everton mate to take the Villa job.Oh I hope not. There was once a time I'd have taken Moyes but after his latest jobs and the avoidance of our job, twice now, has left me feeling he's a bit meh.
From Pat Murphy
At this stage the following are not under consideration for the @AVFCOfficial job... Allardyce,Pearson,McClaren,Giggs,Cotterill & Sherwood.
From Pat Murphy
At this stage the following are not under consideration for the @AVFCOfficial job... Allardyce,Pearson,McClaren,Giggs,Cotterill & Sherwood.
He goes on to say
Others on the list are currently employed elsewhere - you know who they are - so process could b protracted,with a club digging in its heels
From Pat Murphy
At this stage the following are not under consideration for the @AVFCOfficial job... Allardyce,Pearson,McClaren,Giggs,Cotterill & Sherwood.
Excellent news.
I'd happily take any of those 3.He goes on to say
Others on the list are currently employed elsewhere - you know who they are - so process could b protracted,with a club digging in its heels
Interesting. Wagner, Smith & Rowett?
Or Warnock and Hoddle.From Pat Murphy
At this stage the following are not under consideration for the @AVFCOfficial job... Allardyce,Pearson,McClaren,Giggs,Cotterill & Sherwood.
Excellent news.
Haven't ruled out Lambert or McLeish though. Worried now.
My guess is we'll stick it out with Clarke for a few weeks until Moyes gets sacked at Sunderland then Wyness and Round will call their old Everton mate to take the Villa job.I thought exactly that today . I'm that disappointed and confused at mo, and don't know enough about our current board but Wyness , around and Little will have more of a say than Dr, but of course will advise. Football hierarchy tend to go back to their roots or past hence Moyes thoughts, but not sure we can wait.
From Pat Murphy
At this stage the following are not under consideration for the @AVFCOfficial job... Allardyce,Pearson,McClaren,Giggs,Cotterill & Sherwood.
Excellent news.
Or Barry Fry.Why not? What's wrong with him? ;)
Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
From Pat Murphy
At this stage the following are not under consideration for the @AVFCOfficial job... Allardyce,Pearson,McClaren,Giggs,Cotterill & Sherwood.
Excellent news.
Haven't ruled out Lambert or McLeish though. Worried now.
Can't stand the fucker. Keep him away. No idea why anyone wants hime.My guess is we'll stick it out with Clarke for a few weeks until Moyes gets sacked at Sunderland then Wyness and Round will call their old Everton mate to take the Villa job.Oh I hope not. There was once a time I'd have taken Moyes but after his latest jobs and the avoidance of our job, twice now, has left me feeling he's a bit meh.
Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
From Pat Murphy
At this stage the following are not under consideration for the @AVFCOfficial job... Allardyce,Pearson,McClaren,Giggs,Cotterill & Sherwood.
Excellent news.
Ollie not ruled out and Trollope now available. Bristol Rovers reunion at Villa?
Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
With all due respect to your opinion, Pat Murphy has reported on us for years and is a well respected reporter who I like a lot. Despite his obvious annoyance at being pretty much cut out of the loop by Lerner (along with everyone else) I have found him respectful and informative since Dr X took over. But hey, it is all about opinions.
At least we have a million strikers on our books...Bruce has a terrible record at buying them if you look at his transfer deals in the last 10 years.
Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
With all due respect to your opinion, Pat Murphy has reported on us for years and is a well respected reporter who I like a lot. Despite his obvious annoyance at being pretty much cut out of the loop by Lerner (along with everyone else) I have found him respectful and informative since Dr X took over. But hey, it is all about opinions.
Respect dutifully returned. I cant stand the bloke. But I recognise I am currently in the minority.
Who are all these people apparently voting for Tim to return? There is a poll I have just seen via a Matt Kendrick tweet in the Mail. Tim has over 60% of the vote to return. Really?
Heimir Hallgrimsson and Lars Lagerback.Oh you and your infatuation with nordic names :)
Sorted!
My guess is we'll stick it out with Clarke for a few weeks until Moyes gets sacked at Sunderland then Wyness and Round will call their old Everton mate to take the Villa job.I thought exactly that today . I'm that disappointed and confused at mo, and don't know enough about our current board but Wyness , around and Little will have more of a say than Dr, but of course will advise. Football hierarchy tend to go back to their roots or past hence Moyes thoughts, but not sure we can wait.
I believed, at the time, in our previous board and football nonce but that didn't last.... Only a couple of months into new regime and its cocked again ......Steve Clarke may as well stay having been part of what's been put in place so far
I guess so. What a truly awful website it is too. Shocking.Who are all these people apparently voting for Tim to return? There is a poll I have just seen via a Matt Kendrick tweet in the Mail. Tim has over 60% of the vote to return. Really?
They would mostly be fans of our 'rivals' I would guess, given the rag.
Reminds me of when Man City had a poll to name an end at their new ground after one of the ex City players and thousands of Man U fans were apparently voting for Colin Bell (as in Bell-end) - priceless.Who are all these people apparently voting for Tim to return? There is a poll I have just seen via a Matt Kendrick tweet in the Mail. Tim has over 60% of the vote to return. Really?
They would mostly be fans of our 'rivals' I would guess, given the rag.
i think the thing is with Bruce is this would be his biggest job. He has a good record of promotion on limited resources . I think that affects the style of play. If he had been able to go and buy more quality , perhaps the playing style would be different . If he does come, this would probably be the first time he has an expensive squad
His sides get worse the money he spends.
i think the thing is with Bruce is this would be his biggest job. He has a good record of promotion on limited resources . I think that affects the style of play. If he had been able to go and buy more quality , perhaps the playing style would be different . If he does come, this would probably be the first time he has an expensive squad
His sides get worse the money he spends.
A inoperable case of markhughesitis
Or John Lennon.When does everyone think our new man will be in place by?
I'm predicting that he will be announced Friday/Monday
It's my birthday on Sunday so if it is someone really brilliant -Sunday. If it is someone really dire - any day except Sunday
It's my birthday as well on Sunday. And no, I'm not David Cameron.
Is there any evidence Wagner is coming?
i think the thing is with Bruce is this would be his biggest job. He has a good record of promotion on limited resources . I think that affects the style of play. If he had been able to go and buy more quality , perhaps the playing style would be different . If he does come, this would probably be the first time he has an expensive squad
His sides get worse the money he spends.
A inoperable case of markhughesitis
Haha, indeed. He really does get himself in a mess when buying players.
It feels like we need an old hand who will sort shit out with minimum fuss. We have a great squad for this league, it just needs organising. I wonder if somebody like Allardyce might turn out to be just good timing, a bit like when Redknapp ended up at Spurs.
Is there any evidence Wagner is coming?
yep
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If it's jobs for boys can I pitch in as well? My highest qualification that I always buy my round!I've just sent my CV to the club.
You can talk sense - you're over qualified!
Paul, you flatter me, mate. Though I'll take it as a compliment. Fancy being my assistant?
Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
With all due respect to your opinion, Pat Murphy has reported on us for years and is a well respected reporter who I like a lot. Despite his obvious annoyance at being pretty much cut out of the loop by Lerner (along with everyone else) I have found him respectful and informative since Dr X took over. But hey, it is all about opinions.
The next Aston Villa manager should have a fairly-thick skin and an eye for a bargain. He needs to develop a solid formation as is essential that we don't leap from the frying pan into the fire. That said, he will need to be able to mash it up against teams when the chips are down. In addition, he will display the attitude of a champ and will not coddle our pampered squad. Indeed he will give them a roasting when necessary. Solid communication skills are also required: waffle has no place in the dressing room or at press conferences.Fucking top set of requirements. Send a copy to Wyness please.
Who are all these people apparently voting for Tim to return? There is a poll I have just seen via a Matt Kendrick tweet in the Mail. Tim has over 60% of the vote to return. Really?
i think the thing is with Bruce is this would be his biggest job. He has a good record of promotion on limited resources . I think that affects the style of play. If he had been able to go and buy more quality , perhaps the playing style would be different . If he does come, this would probably be the first time he has an expensive squad
His sides get worse the money he spends.
A inoperable case of markhughesitis
Haha, indeed. He really does get himself in a mess when buying players.
It feels like we need an old hand who will sort shit out with minimum fuss. We have a great squad for this league, it just needs organising. I wonder if somebody like Allardyce might turn out to be just good timing, a bit like when Redknapp ended up at Spurs.
I reckon Mark Kelly nailed it earlier up the thread. Steve Clarke gets the job short-term while we "whittle our shortlist down", Moyes loses a couple more matches and gets the Spanish archer at Sunderland.
Round and Wyness wrack their brains for a suitable manager that they know and trust and just at the right time...
The jigsaw pieces just slot into place.
a spud-based job spec.The next Aston Villa manager should have a fairly-thick skin and an eye for a bargain. He needs to develop a solid formation as is essential that we don't leap from the frying pan into the fire. That said, he will need to be able to mash it up against teams when the chips are down. In addition, he will display the attitude of a champ and will not coddle our pampered squad. Indeed he will give them a roasting when necessary. Solid communication skills are also required: waffle has no place in the dressing room or at press conferences.Fucking top set of requirements. Send a copy to Wyness please.
ffs I hope not!i think the thing is with Bruce is this would be his biggest job. He has a good record of promotion on limited resources . I think that affects the style of play. If he had been able to go and buy more quality , perhaps the playing style would be different . If he does come, this would probably be the first time he has an expensive squad
His sides get worse the money he spends.
A inoperable case of markhughesitis
Haha, indeed. He really does get himself in a mess when buying players.
It feels like we need an old hand who will sort shit out with minimum fuss. We have a great squad for this league, it just needs organising. I wonder if somebody like Allardyce might turn out to be just good timing, a bit like when Redknapp ended up at Spurs.
I reckon Mark Kelly nailed it earlier up the thread. Steve Clarke gets the job short-term while we "whittle our shortlist down", Moyes loses a couple more matches and gets the Spanish archer at Sunderland.
Round and Wyness wrack their brains for a suitable manager that they know and trust and just at the right time...
The jigsaw pieces just slot into place.
Everything about Moyes screams out that he's lost interest after getting a top job and fucking it up, he just gives the impression of someone doing it because he doesn't know what else he'd do with his time.
I didn't want him in the summer because all the signs suggested he was on a steep slope and his Sunderland side just back that up, they look as bad as anything we've served up in the last 5-6 years.
This I can vouch for!If it's jobs for boys can I pitch in as well? My highest qualification that I always buy my round!I've just sent my CV to the club.
You can talk sense - you're over qualified!
Paul, you flatter me, mate. Though I'll take it as a compliment. Fancy being my assistant?
Heimir Hallgrimsson and Lars Lagerback.Oh you and your infatuation with nordic names :)
Sorted!
Of course, Olaf ;)
Look what they did for Iceland, though!
Not my decision Aftab, it's up to the gaffer. But sounds like you'd be good as head of corporate entertainmentIf it's jobs for boys can I pitch in as well? My highest qualification that I always buy my round!I've just sent my CV to the club.
You can talk sense - you're over qualified!
Paul, you flatter me, mate. Though I'll take it as a compliment. Fancy being my assistant?
Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
With all due respect to your opinion, Pat Murphy has reported on us for years and is a well respected reporter who I like a lot. Despite his obvious annoyance at being pretty much cut out of the loop by Lerner (along with everyone else) I have found him respectful and informative since Dr X took over. But hey, it is all about opinions.
Whoever does the job needs to have something at stake. Too many being linked with the appointment wouldn't be that arsed if they failed. If they made a go of it they'd look brilliant; if they failed they'd just shrug and walk away and say 'hey, it was an impossible job, what could I have done?'
But only somebody who is utterly desperate to succeed, somebody with their back to the wall, somebody with nowhere else to go, can make a success of Villa from here. That's the top and bottom of it.
Rowett for me. It would be shit or bust.
i think the thing is with Bruce is this would be his biggest job. He has a good record of promotion on limited resources . I think that affects the style of play. If he had been able to go and buy more quality , perhaps the playing style would be different . If he does come, this would probably be the first time he has an expensive squad
His sides get worse the money he spends.
A inoperable case of markhughesitis
Haha, indeed. He really does get himself in a mess when buying players.
It feels like we need an old hand who will sort shit out with minimum fuss. We have a great squad for this league, it just needs organising. I wonder if somebody like Allardyce might turn out to be just good timing, a bit like when Redknapp ended up at Spurs.
I reckon Mark Kelly nailed it earlier up the thread. Steve Clarke gets the job short-term while we "whittle our shortlist down", Moyes loses a couple more matches and gets the Spanish archer at Sunderland.
Round and Wyness wrack their brains for a suitable manager that they know and trust and just at the right time...
The jigsaw pieces just slot into place.
But what makes anyone think that Moyes, who could have joined us in the summer, thought himself too big for a reclamation project in the Championship? Will his ego have been reduced sufficiently to come to us now? Also is he that a big a deal now given how he hardly made any kind of impact at Sunderland? That would be three managerial failures in a row.
Fuck Moyes. If we want to appoint a manager on the basis they were good six years ago, we may as well just get Lambert back.
Moyes has failed horrifically at every job since Everton (and he wasn't hugely popular there with many of their fans towards the end).
Fuck Moyes. If we want to appoint a manager on the basis they were good six years ago, we may as well just get Lambert back.
Moyes has failed horrifically at every job since Everton (and he wasn't hugely popular there with many of their fans towards the end).
Amen to that.
CVs to Charlotte and Anya in the office.a spud-based job spec.The next Aston Villa manager should have a fairly-thick skin and an eye for a bargain. He needs to develop a solid formation as is essential that we don't leap from the frying pan into the fire. That said, he will need to be able to mash it up against teams when the chips are down. In addition, he will display the attitude of a champ and will not coddle our pampered squad. Indeed he will give them a roasting when necessary. Solid communication skills are also required: waffle has no place in the dressing room or at press conferences.Fucking top set of requirements. Send a copy to Wyness please.
Quite brilliant and a tad subtle BE!
Have a house point!
Whoever does the job needs to have something at stake. Too many being linked with the appointment wouldn't be that arsed if they failed. If they made a go of it they'd look brilliant; if they failed they'd just shrug and walk away and say 'hey, it was an impossible job, what could I have done?'
But only somebody who is utterly desperate to succeed, somebody with their back to the wall, somebody with nowhere else to go, can make a success of Villa from here. That's the top and bottom of it.
Rowett for me. It would be shit or bust.
CVs to Charlotte and Anya in the office.a spud-based job spec.The next Aston Villa manager should have a fairly-thick skin and an eye for a bargain. He needs to develop a solid formation as is essential that we don't leap from the frying pan into the fire. That said, he will need to be able to mash it up against teams when the chips are down. In addition, he will display the attitude of a champ and will not coddle our pampered squad. Indeed he will give them a roasting when necessary. Solid communication skills are also required: waffle has no place in the dressing room or at press conferences.Fucking top set of requirements. Send a copy to Wyness please.
Quite brilliant and a tad subtle BE!
Have a house point!
Whoever does the job needs to have something at stake. Too many being linked with the appointment wouldn't be that arsed if they failed. If they made a go of it they'd look brilliant; if they failed they'd just shrug and walk away and say 'hey, it was an impossible job, what could I have done?'
But only somebody who is utterly desperate to succeed, somebody with their back to the wall, somebody with nowhere else to go, can make a success of Villa from here. That's the top and bottom of it.
Rowett for me. It would be shit or bust.
Admit I wanted Moyes in the summer. I don't this time because 1. He's pissed us around twice, and 2. He's proved at Sunderland he's a busted flush.
Just recovering from a long session in The King Edward!CVs to Charlotte and Anya in the office.a spud-based job spec.The next Aston Villa manager should have a fairly-thick skin and an eye for a bargain. He needs to develop a solid formation as is essential that we don't leap from the frying pan into the fire. That said, he will need to be able to mash it up against teams when the chips are down. In addition, he will display the attitude of a champ and will not coddle our pampered squad. Indeed he will give them a roasting when necessary. Solid communication skills are also required: waffle has no place in the dressing room or at press conferences.Fucking top set of requirements. Send a copy to Wyness please.
Quite brilliant and a tad subtle BE!
Have a house point!
Is Maris off ill at the moment?
Mine too, was quite gutted we didn't get him him in the summer, and was very meh about RDM, but I'm glad we didn't get Moyes now. I really don't know, I think I'd get Sam in if he wasn't such soiled goods.Admit I wanted Moyes in the summer. I don't this time because 1. He's pissed us around twice, and 2. He's proved at Sunderland he's a busted flush.
Echo' s my thoughts from the summer and now. He will be sacked by Sunderland in due course and then become a pundit.
Moyes, Bruce, Mclaren...... Please make it stop.
Whoever does the job needs to have something at stake. Too many being linked with the appointment wouldn't be that arsed if they failed. If they made a go of it they'd look brilliant; if they failed they'd just shrug and walk away and say 'hey, it was an impossible job, what could I have done?'
But only somebody who is utterly desperate to succeed, somebody with their back to the wall, somebody with nowhere else to go, can make a success of Villa from here. That's the top and bottom of it.
Rowett for me. It would be shit or bust.
I agree about shit or bust for whomever being a good thing, but please can we have someone who's actually the first fucking clue about what they're trying to achieve over and above "just win the bloody game"
Houllier was the last one who seemed to have a clear idea of what he wanted that didn't involve 10 men in the penalty area for 85 minutes of a game.
Random ramblings from walking the dog, but I ended up likening it to a lot of music in some way being hung of the basic tennet of 12 bar blues. Once you've got that down you can go to (proper) R&B, rock'n'roll, metal and any other number of genres, as long as you've got the basic foundation off the bass and drums to hang it off.
Moyes, Bruce, Mclaren...... Please make it stop.
Yes, this coming from someone who was shouting from the rooftops for Neil Warnock yesterday. And we were pleading with you to make it stop. But you didn't.
If it's jobs for boys can I pitch in as well? My highest qualification that I always buy my round!I've just sent my CV to the club.
You can talk sense - you're over qualified!
Paul, you flatter me, mate. Though I'll take it as a compliment. Fancy being my assistant?
Redknapp will never manage a club north of Landan.Moyes, Bruce, Mclaren...... Please make it stop.
Yes, this coming from someone who was shouting from the rooftops for Neil Warnock yesterday. And we were pleading with you to make it stop. But you didn't.
nope i only shouted for redknapp. never mentioned warnock
Moyes, Bruce, Mclaren...... Please make it stop.
Yes, this coming from someone who was shouting from the rooftops for Neil Warnock yesterday. And we were pleading with you to make it stop. But you didn't.
nope i only shouted for redknapp. never mentioned warnock
Just seen Grayson linked
Appoint Withe, Shaw, Little, and Mortimer as a management team, with someone like Clarke coaching.
Passion for the club - tick
Respect from the players - tick
4 brains better than 1 - tick
Connect with the fans - tick
Out there, but why the hell not. The last thing we need is yet another chancer
Only if it's anti Villa, he always been negative towards Villa, even before Lerner. With a leaning towards being a Stripey supporter, I'd prefer he stop with the cricket.Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
With all due respect to your opinion, Pat Murphy has reported on us for years and is a well respected reporter who I like a lot. Despite his obvious annoyance at being pretty much cut out of the loop by Lerner (along with everyone else) I have found him respectful and informative since Dr X took over. But hey, it is all about opinions.
I like him too. He calls it as he sees it.
Only if it's anti Villa, he always been negative towards Villa, even before Lerner. With a leaning towards being a Stripey supporter, I'd prefer he stop with the cricket.Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
With all due respect to your opinion, Pat Murphy has reported on us for years and is a well respected reporter who I like a lot. Despite his obvious annoyance at being pretty much cut out of the loop by Lerner (along with everyone else) I have found him respectful and informative since Dr X took over. But hey, it is all about opinions.
I like him too. He calls it as he sees it.
Whoever does the job needs to have something at stake. Too many being linked with the appointment wouldn't be that arsed if they failed. If they made a go of it they'd look brilliant; if they failed they'd just shrug and walk away and say 'hey, it was an impossible job, what could I have done?'
But only somebody who is utterly desperate to succeed, somebody with their back to the wall, somebody with nowhere else to go, can make a success of Villa from here. That's the top and bottom of it.
Rowett for me. It would be shit or bust.
Only if it's anti Villa, he always been negative towards Villa, even before Lerner. With a leaning towards being a Stripey supporter, I'd prefer he stop with the cricket.Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
With all due respect to your opinion, Pat Murphy has reported on us for years and is a well respected reporter who I like a lot. Despite his obvious annoyance at being pretty much cut out of the loop by Lerner (along with everyone else) I have found him respectful and informative since Dr X took over. But hey, it is all about opinions.
I like him too. He calls it as he sees it.
He isn't anti-Villa and he supports Chelsea.
I think he is objectively critical which I guess is the role of the press to an extent. We jist don't much like hearing it. He never goes in for the sensational crap the amateur hour at WM do, and is so much better than Evans from the local rag.
Only if it's anti Villa, he always been negative towards Villa, even before Lerner. With a leaning towards being a Stripey supporter, I'd prefer he stop with the cricket.Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
With all due respect to your opinion, Pat Murphy has reported on us for years and is a well respected reporter who I like a lot. Despite his obvious annoyance at being pretty much cut out of the loop by Lerner (along with everyone else) I have found him respectful and informative since Dr X took over. But hey, it is all about opinions.
I like him too. He calls it as he sees it.
He isn't anti-Villa and he supports Chelsea.
He doesn't come across as Villa friendly
Only if it's anti Villa, he always been negative towards Villa, even before Lerner. With a leaning towards being a Stripey supporter, I'd prefer he stop with the cricket.Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
With all due respect to your opinion, Pat Murphy has reported on us for years and is a well respected reporter who I like a lot. Despite his obvious annoyance at being pretty much cut out of the loop by Lerner (along with everyone else) I have found him respectful and informative since Dr X took over. But hey, it is all about opinions.
I like him too. He calls it as he sees it.
He isn't anti-Villa and he supports Chelsea.
He doesn't come across as Villa friendly
Only if it's anti Villa, he always been negative towards Villa, even before Lerner. With a leaning towards being a Stripey supporter, I'd prefer he stop with the cricket.Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
With all due respect to your opinion, Pat Murphy has reported on us for years and is a well respected reporter who I like a lot. Despite his obvious annoyance at being pretty much cut out of the loop by Lerner (along with everyone else) I have found him respectful and informative since Dr X took over. But hey, it is all about opinions.
I like him too. He calls it as he sees it.
He isn't anti-Villa and he supports Chelsea.
He doesn't come across as Villa friendly
There's hardly been much positive Villa news for Murphy to report in the last 5 years or so.
Strange this morning - Radio 4 were discussing Villa's plight at 7am. A bit of an idiots' guide to our downfall (a club who were European Champions in 1982, now languishing in 19th place in the Championship after sacking all their managers.....) They had a West Midlands sport correspondent on ( can't remember who it was but I was surprised it wasn't Murphy), who compared Xia's twitter communication with Lerner's wall of silence. He was also asked to pinpoint the start of our decline and he said it was down to O'Neill walking out a few days before the start of the season. His money was on Bruce to be our new manager and commented on his Blues "baggage". Then they went straight to an interview with Brian Wilson who was discussing how mind-bending drugs brought on his mental health problems, prior to penning Pet Sounds.
As he said to me back in the Ellis days, "I don't support them, I comment on what they're doing."
Only if it's anti Villa, he always been negative towards Villa, even before Lerner. With a leaning towards being a Stripey supporter, I'd prefer he stop with the cricket.Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
With all due respect to your opinion, Pat Murphy has reported on us for years and is a well respected reporter who I like a lot. Despite his obvious annoyance at being pretty much cut out of the loop by Lerner (along with everyone else) I have found him respectful and informative since Dr X took over. But hey, it is all about opinions.
I like him too. He calls it as he sees it.
He isn't anti-Villa and he supports Chelsea.
He doesn't come across as Villa friendly
There's hardly been much positive Villa news for Murphy to report in the last 5 years or so.
Strange this morning - Radio 4 were discussing Villa's plight at 7am. A bit of an idiots' guide to our downfall (a club who were European Champions in 1982, now languishing in 19th place in the Championship after sacking all their managers.....) They had a West Midlands sport correspondent on ( can't remember who it was but I was surprised it wasn't Murphy), who compared Xia's twitter communication with Lerner's wall of silence. He was also asked to pinpoint the start of our decline and he said it was down to O'Neill walking out a few days before the start of the season. His money was on Bruce to be our new manager and commented on his Blues "baggage". Then they went straight to an interview with Brian Wilson who was discussing how mind-bending drugs brought on his mental health problems, prior to penning Pet Sounds.
I'm picking up bad vibrations.
Only if it's anti Villa, he always been negative towards Villa, even before Lerner. With a leaning towards being a Stripey supporter, I'd prefer he stop with the cricket.Christ the BBC are still dumping Pat Murphy on us? Havent we suffered enough?
With all due respect to your opinion, Pat Murphy has reported on us for years and is a well respected reporter who I like a lot. Despite his obvious annoyance at being pretty much cut out of the loop by Lerner (along with everyone else) I have found him respectful and informative since Dr X took over. But hey, it is all about opinions.
I like him too. He calls it as he sees it.
He isn't anti-Villa and he supports Chelsea.
He doesn't come across as Villa friendly
There's hardly been much positive Villa news for Murphy to report in the last 5 years or so.
Strange this morning - Radio 4 were discussing Villa's plight at 7am. A bit of an idiots' guide to our downfall (a club who were European Champions in 1982, now languishing in 19th place in the Championship after sacking all their managers.....) They had a West Midlands sport correspondent on ( can't remember who it was but I was surprised it wasn't Murphy), who compared Xia's twitter communication with Lerner's wall of silence. He was also asked to pinpoint the start of our decline and he said it was down to O'Neill walking out a few days before the start of the season. His money was on Bruce to be our new manager and commented on his Blues "baggage". Then they went straight to an interview with Brian Wilson who was discussing how mind-bending drugs brought on his mental health problems, prior to penning Pet Sounds.
I'm picking up bad vibrations.
Warnock can be removed from the poll nowAt least until the next merry go round in January.
As the poll included the recent England manager, how come Woy isn't in there? He's available, managed at club level, could bring his sidekick with him, job done ;)
Moyes, Bruce, Mclaren...... Please make it stop.
Yes, this coming from someone who was shouting from the rooftops for Neil Warnock yesterday. And we were pleading with you to make it stop. But you didn't.
nope i only shouted for redknapp. never mentioned warnock
My mistake but my point still stands. Harry Redknapp is way, way past his useful life in management.
Warnock can be removed from the poll nowAt least until the next merry go round in January.
Well not Bruce as he's a disaster waiting to happen. Football fans are brutal in finding weakeness if they don't like the manager and if he doesn't fly us up the table those who don't like his style of play or tactics will do exactly what they did with TSM. It will be lurking in the background everytime we have a bad defeat.Agreed. A few bad results and the 'bluenose bastard' jibes would come out and the pressure would be magnified on him. Trouble is he's probably the most viable candidate.
BFS fits that billWell not Bruce as he's a disaster waiting to happen. Football fans are brutal in finding weakeness if they don't like the manager and if he doesn't fly us up the table those who don't like his style of play or tactics will do exactly what they did with TSM. It will be lurking in the background everytime we have a bad defeat.Agreed. A few bad results and the 'bluenose bastard' jibes would come out and the pressure would be magnified on him. Trouble is he's probably the most viable candidate.
. The next one will need over a pint and a half a game to not be under pressure.
Well not Bruce as he's a disaster waiting to happen. Football fans are brutal in finding weakeness if they don't like the manager and if he doesn't fly us up the table those who don't like his style of play or tactics will do exactly what they did with TSM. It will be lurking in the background everytime we have a bad defeat.
Well not Bruce as he's a disaster waiting to happen. Football fans are brutal in finding weakeness if they don't like the manager and if he doesn't fly us up the table those who don't like his style of play or tactics will do exactly what they did with TSM. It will be lurking in the background everytime we have a bad defeat.
It appears that you're letting your hatred of SH get in the way of any objectivity. If it turns out Bruce is our next manager, it strikes me that what we really need from this appointment is a person who can organise our individuals into a team; get them playing cohesive football - & hopefully win some bloody games for a change! If that scenario comes to pass, frankly any sodding Blose connection won't enter my mind. It's about the here & now.
Well not Bruce as he's a disaster waiting to happen. Football fans are brutal in finding weakeness if they don't like the manager and if he doesn't fly us up the table those who don't like his style of play or tactics will do exactly what they did with TSM. It will be lurking in the background everytime we have a bad defeat.
It appears that you're letting your hatred of SH get in the way of any objectivity. If it turns out Bruce is our next manager, it strikes me that what we really need from this appointment is a person who can organise our individuals into a team; get them playing cohesive football - & hopefully win some bloody games for a change! If that scenario comes to pass, frankly any sodding Blose connection won't enter my mind. It's about the here & now.
The trouble is that, for some, it's another stick to beat him with if things don't go well. I suppose at least he wouldn't have the foreign manager stick that some readily grab.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked
Posted from a link on twitter. Mmm. Worrying article really.
like it or not we are perceived as a total basket case and the object of national derision. The pool of available talent available to us diminishes each time we look to go again. In the circumstances Bruce would be a good bet to stabilize the club, given his past track record. At the moment the main requirement for any incoming manager is to ensure we don't get relegated again.Agreed.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked
Posted from a link on twitter. Mmm. Worrying article really.
I thought Bruce was a safe pair of hands who would do a fairly sound job, but that article has given me pause for thought.https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked
Posted from a link on twitter. Mmm. Worrying article really.
I really hope it isn't him. Like others have said Rowett/Houghton I wouldn't have a problem with. I wouldn't hesitate nicking a manager or player from over there if they had talent.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked
Posted from a link on twitter. Mmm. Worrying article really.
according to the Yorkshire Post - Wagner wont be joining us
A Sunderland supporting mate of mine reckons it doesn't matter who manages them, the place is such a mess nobody will succeed there. Bit like Villa the last few years.
according to the Yorkshire Post - Wagner wont be joining us
The number of Managers that we have to choose from is dwindling by the day!
To me it looks like it will be Bruce, unless he messes up the interview?
I don't know anything about Wagner so had to look at his stats. He's managed Huddersfield for 44 games ( 2 short of a full championship season) and has won 62 points so far. If we're being really kind and assume that he would get 6 points form the next 2 games ( taking him up to a full season of games managed) he would be on 68 points, that wouldn't have made the play offs last season. If we're being unkind and giving him zero points from the last 2 games, they'd have finished below Brentford and Blues. Is he really that good or are we being seduced by his links to Klopp? I've no ideaP44 W18 D8 L18
I don't know anything about Wagner so had to look at his stats. He's managed Huddersfield for 44 games ( 2 short of a full championship season) and has won 62 points so far. If we're being really kind and assume that he would get 6 points form the next 2 games ( taking him up to a full season of games managed) he would be on 68 points, that wouldn't have made the play offs last season. If we're being unkind and giving him zero points from the last 2 games, they'd have finished below Brentford and Blues. Is he really that good or are we being seduced by his links to Klopp? I've no ideaI'd be reluctant to hire someone based essentially off an excellent first 11 games this season. Very dangerous. They've started well but I'd be shocked if they were still top 6 by May.
I don't know anything about Wagner so had to look at his stats. He's managed Huddersfield for 44 games ( 2 short of a full championship season) and has won 62 points so far. If we're being really kind and assume that he would get 6 points form the next 2 games ( taking him up to a full season of games managed) he would be on 68 points, that wouldn't have made the play offs last season. If we're being unkind and giving him zero points from the last 2 games, they'd have finished below Brentford and Blues. Is he really that good or are we being seduced by his links to Klopp? I've no ideaP44 W18 D8 L18
Wiki give the P44 bit...equates to 66 doesn't it...dunno which is correct....it basically means he didn't start that well with his recordI don't know anything about Wagner so had to look at his stats. He's managed Huddersfield for 44 games ( 2 short of a full championship season) and has won 62 points so far. If we're being really kind and assume that he would get 6 points form the next 2 games ( taking him up to a full season of games managed) he would be on 68 points, that wouldn't have made the play offs last season. If we're being unkind and giving him zero points from the last 2 games, they'd have finished below Brentford and Blues. Is he really that good or are we being seduced by his links to Klopp? I've no ideaP44 W18 D8 L18
Have I cocked my maths up? wouldn't be the first time...
Wiki give the P44 bit...equates to 66 doesn't it...I don't know anything about Wagner so had to look at his stats. He's managed Huddersfield for 44 games ( 2 short of a full championship season) and has won 62 points so far. If we're being really kind and assume that he would get 6 points form the next 2 games ( taking him up to a full season of games managed) he would be on 68 points, that wouldn't have made the play offs last season. If we're being unkind and giving him zero points from the last 2 games, they'd have finished below Brentford and Blues. Is he really that good or are we being seduced by his links to Klopp? I've no ideaP44 W18 D8 L18
Have I cocked my maths up? wouldn't be the first time...
Wiki give the P44 bit...equates to 66 doesn't it...I don't know anything about Wagner so had to look at his stats. He's managed Huddersfield for 44 games ( 2 short of a full championship season) and has won 62 points so far. If we're being really kind and assume that he would get 6 points form the next 2 games ( taking him up to a full season of games managed) he would be on 68 points, that wouldn't have made the play offs last season. If we're being unkind and giving him zero points from the last 2 games, they'd have finished below Brentford and Blues. Is he really that good or are we being seduced by his links to Klopp? I've no ideaP44 W18 D8 L18
Have I cocked my maths up? wouldn't be the first time...
62 - I had to use the calculator on my phone though
Wiki give the P44 bit...equates to 66 doesn't it...I don't know anything about Wagner so had to look at his stats. He's managed Huddersfield for 44 games ( 2 short of a full championship season) and has won 62 points so far. If we're being really kind and assume that he would get 6 points form the next 2 games ( taking him up to a full season of games managed) he would be on 68 points, that wouldn't have made the play offs last season. If we're being unkind and giving him zero points from the last 2 games, they'd have finished below Brentford and Blues. Is he really that good or are we being seduced by his links to Klopp? I've no ideaP44 W18 D8 L18
Have I cocked my maths up? wouldn't be the first time...
62 - I had to use the calculator on my phone though
sounds pretty impressive to me taking all things into account, Huddersfield, size of club, resources available etc
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked
Posted from a link on twitter. Mmm. Worrying article really.
Dean Smith won twice from Jan to March/ April. I would love him to have a shot at it and really do well due to him being a genuine fan but would hate it if we ruined him.
Certainly is. More detail here from his perspective on why he was sacked:
http://www.espnfc.com/story/1044893/steve-bruce-blames-hatred-for-sunderland-dismissal
Certainly is. More detail here from his perspective on why he was sacked:
http://www.espnfc.com/story/1044893/steve-bruce-blames-hatred-for-sunderland-dismissal
Jesus, replace "Geordie" with "Bluenose" and "Sunderland" with "Villa" and there's Bruce's resignation letter from Villa already drafted and ready to send
"I just think the owner saw the hatred that was directed towards me from the terraces and thought I would never recover from it. Even if I had won the next six games some people would never have forgiven me for being a Geordie."
He added: "The hatred I suffered was unbelievable. It was brutal, it really was. In fairness it was a minority of Sunderland fans who abused me but it was way over the top and very hurtfull".
Certainly is. More detail here from his perspective on why he was sacked:
http://www.espnfc.com/story/1044893/steve-bruce-blames-hatred-for-sunderland-dismissal
Jesus, replace "Geordie" with "Bluenose" and "Sunderland" with "Villa" and there's Bruce's resignation letter from Villa already drafted and ready to send
"I just think the owner saw the hatred that was directed towards me from the terraces and thought I would never recover from it. Even if I had won the next six games some people would never have forgiven me for being a Geordie."
He added: "The hatred I suffered was unbelievable. It was brutal, it really was. In fairness it was a minority of Sunderland fans who abused me but it was way over the top and very hurtfull".
It's a bit different, the two cities have a massive rivalry and on match days anyone from Sunderland hates anyone from Newcastle and vice versa. Bruce is from Newcastle and they know he was a boyhood Newcastle fan. Here we are just dealing with the fact he managed our rivals for a few years, nearly ten years ago. Di Matteo managed Baggies but that didn't bother anybody.
I don't know anything about Wagner so had to look at his stats. He's managed Huddersfield for 44 games ( 2 short of a full championship season) and has won 62 points so far. If we're being really kind and assume that he would get 6 points form the next 2 games ( taking him up to a full season of games managed) he would be on 68 points, that wouldn't have made the play offs last season. If we're being unkind and giving him zero points from the last 2 games, they'd have finished below Brentford and Blues. Is he really that good or are we being seduced by his links to Klopp? I've no ideaI'd be reluctant to hire someone based essentially off an excellent first 11 games this season. Very dangerous. They've started well but I'd be shocked if they were still top 6 by May.
Appointing Wagner reminds me of the time Kevin Lisbie scored a hat-trick for Charlton against Liverpool and I decided he was the next big thing so I put him straight in my fantasy football team.
The lesson there is don't let me appoint the manager.
Appointing Wagner reminds me of the time Kevin Lisbie scored a hat-trick for Charlton against Liverpool and I decided he was the next big thing so I put him straight in my fantasy football team.
The lesson there is don't let me appoint the manager.
Dean Smith won twice from Jan to March/ April. I would love him to have a shot at it and really do well due to him being a genuine fan but would hate it if we ruined him.
Certainly is. More detail here from his perspective on why he was sacked:
http://www.espnfc.com/story/1044893/steve-bruce-blames-hatred-for-sunderland-dismissal
Jesus, replace "Geordie" with "Bluenose" and "Sunderland" with "Villa" and there's Bruce's resignation letter from Villa already drafted and ready to send
"I just think the owner saw the hatred that was directed towards me from the terraces and thought I would never recover from it. Even if I had won the next six games some people would never have forgiven me for being a Geordie."
He added: "The hatred I suffered was unbelievable. It was brutal, it really was. In fairness it was a minority of Sunderland fans who abused me but it was way over the top and very hurtfull".
It's a bit different, the two cities have a massive rivalry and on match days anyone from Sunderland hates anyone from Newcastle and vice versa. Bruce is from Newcastle and they know he was a boyhood Newcastle fan. Here we are just dealing with the fact he managed our rivals for a few years, nearly ten years ago. Di Matteo managed Baggies but that didn't bother anybody.
There's a massive difference between our feelings towards our local inferiors.
Appointing Wagner reminds me of the time Kevin Lisbie scored a hat-trick for Charlton against Liverpool and I decided he was the next big thing so I put him straight in my fantasy football team.
The lesson there is don't let me appoint the manager.
On the flip side, appointing him might mean we have the fittest,strongest squad in the Championship that doesn't blow out of its backside after 60 minutes and can alter things tactically with a fair rate of success during games.
No clue if this will happen but I'd tend to try and appoint someone who is doing the job now, in this league, rather than last year or the year before that.
Bruce would be an even worse appointment than Mcliesh
Why can't we go with someone from outside of the regular names? Everytime we're linked with so and so, yet what will they bring.
I voted Rowett because I like the way he thinks and sets the team up to play. Not bothered by the connection with them.
But my choice would be to throw money at Bergkamp. Assistant at Ajax and managing their elite U19. Make him an offer he can't really refuse.
It can't pan out any worse really and better than the names being bandied around.
Certainly is. More detail here from his perspective on why he was sacked:
http://www.espnfc.com/story/1044893/steve-bruce-blames-hatred-for-sunderland-dismissal
Jesus, replace "Geordie" with "Bluenose" and "Sunderland" with "Villa" and there's Bruce's resignation letter from Villa already drafted and ready to send
"I just think the owner saw the hatred that was directed towards me from the terraces and thought I would never recover from it. Even if I had won the next six games some people would never have forgiven me for being a Geordie."
He added: "The hatred I suffered was unbelievable. It was brutal, it really was. In fairness it was a minority of Sunderland fans who abused me but it was way over the top and very hurtfull".
Bruce would be an even worse appointment than Mcliesh
Really?
Steve Bunce! buncey could be mistaken in translation and signed up ! He 'll have a bigger following than Sherwood and certainly knows how about fight !Buncey! Sign him up now.
Bruce would be an even worse appointment than Mcliesh
Really?
It'll be someone none of us are expecting.
It'll be someone none of us are expecting.
I wouldn't mind the unknown. There are thousands of managers out there.
It'll be someone none of us are expecting.
I must confess reading that article about Bruce is concerning. We finally have a modernish set-up with Steve Round etc and the Dr looking at the sports science side of things. We need to bring somebody in who can fit in and add to that structure and not go backwards to the 'old' way of management.
It'll be someone none of us are expecting.
I wouldn't mind the unknown. There are thousands of managers out there.
I would like the unknown too. Nobody had heard of Arsene Wenger when Arsenal got him - I'd settle for the next 20 years being similar to Arsenal's last 20 (But with a Champions League trophy in addition!) Out of those listed Gary Rowett would be my choice.
Shame Sanchez Flores is at Espanyol, I think he did great job at Watford, very unlucky to lose his job after promotion and a decent 1st Prem League season. And Watford to Villa worked out well for a previous Villa boss too.
Certainly is. More detail here from his perspective on why he was sacked:
http://www.espnfc.com/story/1044893/steve-bruce-blames-hatred-for-sunderland-dismissal
Jesus, replace "Geordie" with "Bluenose" and "Sunderland" with "Villa" and there's Bruce's resignation letter from Villa already drafted and ready to send
"I just think the owner saw the hatred that was directed towards me from the terraces and thought I would never recover from it. Even if I had won the next six games some people would never have forgiven me for being a Geordie."
He added: "The hatred I suffered was unbelievable. It was brutal, it really was. In fairness it was a minority of Sunderland fans who abused me but it was way over the top and very hurtfull".
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Shame Sanchez Flores is at Espanyol, I think he did great job at Watford, very unlucky to lose his job after promotion and a decent 1st Prem League season. And Watford to Villa worked out well for a previous Villa boss too.
He didn't promote them.
Shame Sanchez Flores is at Espanyol, I think he did great job at Watford, very unlucky to lose his job after promotion and a decent 1st Prem League season. And Watford to Villa worked out well for a previous Villa boss too.
He didn't promote them.
Ah.... yes.
It'll be someone none of us are expecting.
The Spanish Inquisition.
It may at least improve discipline.
It'll be someone none of us are expecting.
I wouldn't mind the unknown. There are thousands of managers out there.
Howard Kendall managed Everton twice didn't he?
Shame Sanchez Flores is at Espanyol, I think he did great job at Watford, very unlucky to lose his job after promotion and a decent 1st Prem League season. And Watford to Villa worked out well for a previous Villa boss too.
He didn't promote them.
Ah.... yes.
It'll be someone none of us are expecting.
I wouldn't mind the unknown. There are thousands of managers out there.
I would like the unknown too. Nobody had heard of Arsene Wenger when Arsenal got him - I'd settle for the next 20 years being similar to Arsenal's last 20 (But with a Champions League trophy in addition!) Out of those listed Gary Rowett would be my choice.
King Kenny at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and King Kevin at the jawdees as well
Juergen Klinsman has popped up at hills online, 20/1. I asked as a laugh what his price would be, thought over 50's tbh. But I get the feeling it will be somebody nobody has mentioned, so you never know ....
Really don't want Black anywhere near the place. If Bruce coming had that as part of it I would be completely against it.
There must be a brains trust that can identify potential managers across Europe. Middlesborough found Karanka, Huddersfield found Wagner. We need to find someone.
Really don't want Black anywhere near the place. If Bruce coming had that as part of it I would be completely against it.
There must be a brains trust that can identify potential managers across Europe. Middlesborough found Karanka, Huddersfield found Wagner. We need to find someone.
It's a shame Garde arrived when he did. I'm sure he'd have done a good job in the right circumstances.
Really don't want Black anywhere near the place. If Bruce coming had that as part of it I would be completely against it.
There must be a brains trust that can identify potential managers across Europe. Middlesborough found Karanka, Huddersfield found Wagner. We need to find someone.
It's a shame Garde arrived when he did. I'm sure he'd have done a good job in the right circumstances.
File under 'we're going to give someone a good thrashing soon'. And 'the team needs time to gel.'
I read today that if Bruce gets the job he will have Keith Bertschin as Assistant. Now that does make me feel uncomfortable.Bring in Hopkins as coach to complete the set and it's time for us all to pack up and go home. Shudders.
I read today that if Bruce gets the job he will have Keith Bertschin as Assistant. Now that does make me feel uncomfortable.Bring in Hopkins as coach to complete the set and it's time for us all to pack up and go home. Shudders.
I wish TBAR would hurry up and appoint a fucking manager.
I wish TBAR would hurry up and appoint a fucking manager.
Is that still going? Do they still have Admin?
There's another reason why I wouldn't want Bruce then.I just think given he's a bit old school. Mind you, at least he'll know of our forward line. So there's the hope he won't fall back on the hope Gabby might actually give a foook.
I read today that if Bruce gets the job he will have Keith Bertschin as Assistant. Now that does make me feel uncomfortable.Bring in Hopkins as coach to complete the set and it's time for us all to pack up and go home. Shudders.
Bruce would be totally meh.
There's another reason why I wouldn't want Bruce then.I just think given he's a bit old school. Mind you, at least he'll know of our forward line. So there's the hope he won't fall back on the hope Gabby might actually give a foook.
I reckon Richards walks back into the side under Bruce. That being said, if someone can actually organise Richards and motivate him, he's our best player at the back by some margin.
IF.
Appointing Bruce virtually guarantees promotion. A tall order this campaign but not impossible. Whatever misgivings some people might have, he gets teams promoted, end of.
Don't believe it, I'll wager Dr Tony is still shortening his list.
Don't believe it, I'll wager Dr Tony is still shortening his list.
Rego on the WM phone-in tonight reckoned there is a shortlist of ten and no one has been interviewed yet. Sounds to me like Clarke could well be in charge for at least the Wolves game.
Have Olof Mellberg applied for the job ? Just asking.
Have Olof Mellberg applied for the job ? Just asking.
The thing is 2 years of stability before inevitably having to move Bruce on could prove vital for the new football structure to get everything else in place. We need to get up and stay up. Bruce with the right backing will get that as much as it will be tough to swallow. He won't much like our central midfield options though and I don't think Grealish will thrive with him.
Appointing Bruce virtually guarantees promotion. A tall order this campaign but not impossible. Whatever misgivings some people might have, he gets teams promoted, end of.
Didn't you say the same about Pearson over the summer?
Appointing Bruce virtually guarantees promotion. A tall order this campaign but not impossible. Whatever misgivings some people might have, he gets teams promoted, end of.
Didn't you say the same about Pearson over the summer?
As I said, Bruce gets teams promoted, end of.
Yes I wouldn't say there's a manager in the world who 'guarantees' us promotion.
I change my mind hourly. Closer it gets despite all logic I am struggling with the idea of Bruce and his people in the dugout. I know it makes all the sense in the world. Just fear it's going to create tension we don't need. On the flip side Dean Smith might galvanise everything and actually have the potential to have longevity. He tweaked his side to be the better side by far second half at VP and they looked a decent side compared to us. With our resources he might kick on. Tough.
Appointing Bruce virtually guarantees promotion. A tall order this campaign but not impossible. Whatever misgivings some people might have, he gets teams promoted, end of.
Didn't you say the same about Pearson over the summer?
As I said, Bruce gets teams promoted, end of.
I change my mind hourly. Closer it gets despite all logic I am struggling with the idea of Bruce and his people in the dugout. I know it makes all the sense in the world. Just fear it's going to create tension we don't need. On the flip side Dean Smith might galvanise everything and actually have the potential to have longevity. He tweaked his side to be the better side by far second half at VP and they looked a decent side compared to us. With our resources he might kick on. Tough.
I know what you mean. Bruce is 'one of those managers' who would be a safe bet. But I really don't want to see him as Villa manager. I also can't be arsed with watching him unravel as fans don't warm to him - seems like a massive waste of time.
Appointing Bruce virtually guarantees promotion. A tall order this campaign but not impossible. Whatever misgivings some people might have, he gets teams promoted, end of.Wow..that's some statement.
Being in the Championship is embarrassing enough but seeing people wanting Steve Bruce as manager really shows how far we have fallen. Imagine having this scenario as a dream back in 2007, it would have been a truly horrifying nightmare.
The more I read Steve Bruce, the more I wish the printing press had not been invented.You like horror movies that has you oblivious and you do not know whats coming when they spring the abomination on you?
Lets get Martin O' Neill back.Red line.
;D
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked
Posted from a link on twitter. Mmm. Worrying article really.
I change my mind hourly. Closer it gets despite all logic I am struggling with the idea of Bruce and his people in the dugout. I know it makes all the sense in the world. Just fear it's going to create tension we don't need. On the flip side Dean Smith might galvanise everything and actually have the potential to have longevity. He tweaked his side to be the better side by far second half at VP and they looked a decent side compared to us. With our resources he might kick on. Tough.
Am warming to Wagner and this smacks of desperation http://www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/5-reasons-david-wagner-would-11984754
Go get him Doc
Well not Bruce as he's a disaster waiting to happen. Football fans are brutal in finding weakeness if they don't like the manager and if he doesn't fly us up the table those who don't like his style of play or tactics will do exactly what they did with TSM. It will be lurking in the background everytime we have a bad defeat.
It appears that you're letting your hatred of SH get in the way of any objectivity. If it turns out Bruce is our next manager, it strikes me that what we really need from this appointment is a person who can organise our individuals into a team; get them playing cohesive football - & hopefully win some bloody games for a change! If that scenario comes to pass, frankly any sodding Blose connection won't enter my mind. It's about the here & now.
I change my mind hourly. Closer it gets despite all logic I am struggling with the idea of Bruce and his people in the dugout. I know it makes all the sense in the world. Just fear it's going to create tension we don't need. On the flip side Dean Smith might galvanise everything and actually have the potential to have longevity. He tweaked his side to be the better side by far second half at VP and they looked a decent side compared to us. With our resources he might kick on. Tough.
Aye, but Leyton Orient, Notts County and other titans of that ilk have looked good against us in recent years.
Slippery slope if we're using that criteria.
It is tough.I change my mind hourly. Closer it gets despite all logic I am struggling with the idea of Bruce and his people in the dugout. I know it makes all the sense in the world. Just fear it's going to create tension we don't need. On the flip side Dean Smith might galvanise everything and actually have the potential to have longevity. He tweaked his side to be the better side by far second half at VP and they looked a decent side compared to us. With our resources he might kick on. Tough.
Aye, but Leyton Orient, Notts County and other titans of that ilk have looked good against us in recent years.
Slippery slope if we're using that criteria.
Bruce would be an even worse appointment than Mcliesh
I don't know why but I find the use of "end of" incredibly irritating!
Only proven record Bruce has is of bouncing between divisions and playing awful football
shefiield united = didn't get promotion
huddersfield = didn't get promotion
Palace = didn't get promotion
blose - promoted, relegated, promoted
wigan - premier
Sunderland - premier
Hull - promoted/relegated/promoted
I don't know why but I find the use of "end of" incredibly irritating!
Me too, mainly because it's usually preceded by the words 'I'm not going out with you, Des'
Only proven record Bruce has is of bouncing between divisions and playing awful football
shefiield united = didn't get promotion
huddersfield = didn't get promotion
Palace = didn't get promotion
blose - promoted, relegated, promoted
wigan - premier
Sunderland - premier
Hull - promoted/relegated/promoted
These are all clubs with limited resources. I would say at each of these clubs he either met or exceeded expectations. Look at where they are now, most are either worse or the same as when he was with them.
I'm not 100% convinced I want him. But I like how he comes across when I've heard him speak and he seems fairly effective at organising a team to get results under difficult circumstances.
I don't know why but I find the use of "end of" incredibly irritating!
I don't know why but I find the use of "end of" incredibly irritating!
It makes me want to punch their faces.
What that list of clubs fails to account for is that every time he's spent any money he's made teams worse. So whilst he might improve us over the next few months I'd be cautious about January and if that went ok and he got us promoted I'd be terrified about the job he'd do in the summer. That's why I don't like the idea of "appoint him as a stop gap to get us promoted and then replace him". We don't need that, we've been shit for years because we've flailed around without an identity for years. Adding another 12-18months on to that transition period because we need a championship manager is just asking to extend the misery. Find a good manager who is confident in his ability, tactically sound, will instill some discipline (which despite the comments on here isn't a trait that only exists in English managers who've been floating around the championship for years) and who will play the style of football that the club wants to follow. If that manager can't get us playing his style consistently enough to get back up this season then I'll be gutted but so be it, the teams who've been promoted and stuck are the ones that followed a plan and stuck to it, the ones who just employ a manager and hope for the best all end up relegated again within a season or 2.
What that list of clubs fails to account for is that every time he's spent any money he's made teams worse. So whilst he might improve us over the next few months I'd be cautious about January and if that went ok and he got us promoted I'd be terrified about the job he'd do in the summer. That's why I don't like the idea of "appoint him as a stop gap to get us promoted and then replace him". We don't need that, we've been shit for years because we've flailed around without an identity for years. Adding another 12-18months on to that transition period because we need a championship manager is just asking to extend the misery. Find a good manager who is confident in his ability, tactically sound, will instill some discipline (which despite the comments on here isn't a trait that only exists in English managers who've been floating around the championship for years) and who will play the style of football that the club wants to follow. If that manager can't get us playing his style consistently enough to get back up this season then I'll be gutted but so be it, the teams who've been promoted and stuck are the ones that followed a plan and stuck to it, the ones who just employ a manager and hope for the best all end up relegated again within a season or 2.
Only proven record Bruce has is of bouncing between divisions and playing awful football
shefiield united = didn't get promotion
huddersfield = didn't get promotion
Palace = didn't get promotion
blose - promoted, relegated, promoted
wigan - premier
Sunderland - premier
Hull - promoted/relegated/promoted
I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.
That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.
It is tough.I change my mind hourly. Closer it gets despite all logic I am struggling with the idea of Bruce and his people in the dugout. I know it makes all the sense in the world. Just fear it's going to create tension we don't need. On the flip side Dean Smith might galvanise everything and actually have the potential to have longevity. He tweaked his side to be the better side by far second half at VP and they looked a decent side compared to us. With our resources he might kick on. Tough.
Aye, but Leyton Orient, Notts County and other titans of that ilk have looked good against us in recent years.
Slippery slope if we're using that criteria.
At first I thought - okay it's Bruce let's get on with it and it'll be fine when we start climbing the table - but the more I reflect on it the more of a risk it is for the reasons you highlight about his men in our dugout and also the way he left Sunderland as was highlighted earlier.
Dean Smith has a lot of potential and I would love to see him as our manager one day but I wonder how much the second half v us was dictated by McCormack going off and being replaced by Amavi rather than anything he did ? Seems thin evidence on which to appoint him right now.
Also Wagner looks to have serious potential but 9 months in the relatively low-key role of Huddersfield manager may not be sufficient preparation for our job and some serious diligence would need to be done on his character etc.
I just hope Sir Brian and messrs Wyness and Round advise Dr Tony well.
I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.
That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.
It was also that the then management high fived each other over securing the services of a man that got his previous club relegated. That it was the noses was funny until it became apparent he was actually our new manager.
What that list of clubs fails to account for is that every time he's spent any money he's made teams worse. So whilst he might improve us over the next few months I'd be cautious about January and if that went ok and he got us promoted I'd be terrified about the job he'd do in the summer. That's why I don't like the idea of "appoint him as a stop gap to get us promoted and then replace him". We don't need that, we've been shit for years because we've flailed around without an identity for years. Adding another 12-18months on to that transition period because we need a championship manager is just asking to extend the misery. Find a good manager who is confident in his ability, tactically sound, will instill some discipline (which despite the comments on here isn't a trait that only exists in English managers who've been floating around the championship for years) and who will play the style of football that the club wants to follow. If that manager can't get us playing his style consistently enough to get back up this season then I'll be gutted but so be it, the teams who've been promoted and stuck are the ones that followed a plan and stuck to it, the ones who just employ a manager and hope for the best all end up relegated again within a season or 2.
Am warming to Wagner and this smacks of desperation http://www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/5-reasons-david-wagner-would-11984754
Go get him Doc
I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.
That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.
It was also that the then management high fived each other over securing the services of a man that got his previous club relegated. That it was the noses was funny until it became apparent he was actually our new manager.
I don't remember anyone finding it funny at any time, more utter bemusement. I still have a lot of respect for the guy as a person but jesus that was an insane appointment
Only proven record Bruce has is of bouncing between divisions and playing awful football
shefiield united = didn't get promotion
huddersfield = didn't get promotion
Palace = didn't get promotion
blose - promoted, relegated, promoted
wigan - premier
Sunderland - premier
Hull - promoted/relegated/promoted
Sheffield United- First job in management.
Huddersfield- No real idea of how he did there tbh.
Palace- Did brilliantly, were leading the division when he left them in December to go to...
SHA- Well yes a relegation but he got them up after what 20 years and kept them up for 4 seasons before he signed too many egos.
Wigan- They finished 8th I think and he signed some pretty good players that Wigan made profits on.
Sunderland- His one poor job in management I think. Even then Sunderland actually had a very good first half of the season in 10/11 but it all fell apart when they sold Bent to us and also lost Welbeck and Gyan shortly afterwards and his striker recruitment was very poor.
Hull- Two promotions and a relegation.
Any manager who's been in the game for a while will have stuff like that on their CV. I think in the state we're in people are criticising him for the sake of it as he's Guardiola level in the championship.
Criticising him in the prem is more arguable although let's get back there first.
I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.
That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.
It was also that the then management high fived each other over securing the services of a man that got his previous club relegated. That it was the noses was funny until it became apparent he was actually our new manager.
I don't remember anyone finding it funny at any time, more utter bemusement. I still have a lot of respect for the guy as a person but jesus that was an insane appointment
You've read my post incorrectly. It was funny that it was Birmingham being relegated and not so much when the bloke who oversaw it was becoming our manager.
This isn't as much fun as Ole Gunnar Solsjaer
I know. Not looking promising, is it?This isn't as much fun as Ole Gunnar Solsjaer
And look how he turned out!
I have been practising the best rendition I can come up with of 'We love you potato head'.
Marcelino was apparently in for the Swansea job. Top 6 for 3 straight seasons with Villareal. Must be worth considering him.
This isn't as much fun as Ole Gunnar Solsjaer
Only proven record Bruce has is of bouncing between divisions and playing awful football
shefiield united = didn't get promotion
huddersfield = didn't get promotion
Palace = didn't get promotion
blose - promoted, relegated, promoted
wigan - premier
Sunderland - premier
Hull - promoted/relegated/promoted
Sheffield United- First job in management.
Huddersfield- No real idea of how he did there tbh.
Palace- Did brilliantly, were leading the division when he left them in December to go to...
SHA- Well yes a relegation but he got them up after what 20 years and kept them up for 4 seasons before he signed too many egos.
Wigan- They finished 8th I think and he signed some pretty good players that Wigan made profits on.
Sunderland- His one poor job in management I think. Even then Sunderland actually had a very good first half of the season in 10/11 but it all fell apart when they sold Bent to us and also lost Welbeck and Gyan shortly afterwards and his striker recruitment was very poor.
Hull- Two promotions and a relegation.
Any manager who's been in the game for a while will have stuff like that on their CV. I think in the state we're in people are criticising him for the sake of it as he's Guardiola level in the championship.
Criticising him in the prem is more arguable although let's get back there first.
Marcelino was apparently in for the Swansea job. Top 6 for 3 straight seasons with Villareal. Must be worth considering him.
His lack of English, like Bielsa last time, a sticking point according to 5Live's Welsh reporter the other night.
I don't know why but I find the use of "end of" incredibly irritating!
Frankly I would be happy just to see us win a few games of football. I'm not really bothered about the manner we do it at the momentThis isn't as much fun as Ole Gunnar Solsjaer
Indeed. I have no issue with Bruce as a person, but Jesus its not exactly an appointment to get me excited to see how we play. His brand of football is not exactly dour, more , forgettable if you know what I mean.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked
Posted from a link on twitter. Mmm. Worrying article really.
Marcelino was apparently in for the Swansea job. Top 6 for 3 straight seasons with Villareal. Must be worth considering him.
His lack of English, like Bielsa last time, a sticking point according to 5Live's Welsh reporter the other night.
Although that didn't seem to be a problem for Pochettino when he first joined Southampton
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3824135/David-Wagner-Jurgen-Klopp-clone-bizarre-bonding-sessions-Huddersfield-dreaming-big-time.html
I know we are not going to get him, but this sort of article makes me very envious we can't find a manager with that level of commitment and forward thinking. We will get Bruce.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3824135/David-Wagner-Jurgen-Klopp-clone-bizarre-bonding-sessions-Huddersfield-dreaming-big-time.html
I know we are not going to get him, but this sort of article makes me very envious we can't find a manager with that level of commitment and forward thinking. We will get Bruce.
Wow, I like the sound of him.....I know we'd all love the Villa but he'd be mad to come!! If we did get him, I susoect we wouldn't see the best of his work until next season.
I really think I have lost interest in who it is - they will come in and I am so ground down I fear nothing will change - looked at the Wolves game and realised I wouldn't bother going (bas**rd 5:30 KO) if I didn't have a ST. It's not supposed to be like this...I know exactly how you feel.
I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.
That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.
Only proven record Bruce has is of bouncing between divisions and playing awful football
shefiield united = didn't get promotion
huddersfield = didn't get promotion
Palace = didn't get promotion
blose - promoted, relegated, promoted
wigan - premier
Sunderland - premier
Hull - promoted/relegated/promoted
These are all clubs with limited resources. I would say at each of these clubs he either met or exceeded expectations. Look at where they are now, most are either worse or the same as when he was with them.
I'm not 100% convinced I want him. But I like how he comes across when I've heard him speak and he seems fairly effective at organising teams to get results under difficult circumstances.
Why does anyone want a Villa connected person to take over?
I just want the best option we have. The fact someone has been at the club before means nothing, really.
Why does anyone want a Villa connected person to take over?
I just want the best option we have. The fact someone has been at the club before means nothing, really.
Why does anyone want a Villa connected person to take over?
I just want the best option we have. The fact someone has been at the club before means nothing, really.
You hear it from Spurs fans all the time - complaining about how it's terrible that they've got Pochettino in charge rather than Sherwood or Gary Mabbutt.
Why does anyone want a Villa connected person to take over?This is something that always amazes me. Get in Melberg, Laursen etc etc. How many great players have made it to become top managers - probably no more than a handful. Far more have failed.
I just want the best option we have. The fact someone has been at the club before means nothing, really.
Not turning my nose up at Bruce at all and would actually welcome him.Never thought I'd want Big Sam at Villa, but I agree he would sort us out pretty quick. I suspect we will be too nervous of further revelations or a misconduct charge, but if there was reassurances over that then it would probably be the safest option.
I have gone for Big Sam as he would do well in this division and would also sort us out in the Prem (as and when we get there I know!)
Bruce would do ok in this division but would be questionable in the prem.
Big Sam provides a long term answer imo. Plus would have something to prove after events of the past few weeks.
Agree with this. Irks me when people categorise some managers as having a "ceiling". Now I'm not saying there aren't some out there who relish getting team's up and then can't kick on but surely the reason most of them don't climb too high up the league is they are at generally small clubs who haven't the means/ambition to go much higher.Only proven record Bruce has is of bouncing between divisions and playing awful football
shefiield united = didn't get promotion
huddersfield = didn't get promotion
Palace = didn't get promotion
blose - promoted, relegated, promoted
wigan - premier
Sunderland - premier
Hull - promoted/relegated/promoted
These are all clubs with limited resources. I would say at each of these clubs he either met or exceeded expectations. Look at where they are now, most are either worse or the same as when he was with them.
I'm not 100% convinced I want him. But I like how he comes across when I've heard him speak and he seems fairly effective at organising teams to get results under difficult circumstances.
Probably going to sound a bit shallow but Bruce was photographed recently looking really obese. (not just middle age paunch but dangerously obese) I dont know why but I look at someone like him and think, if you cant manage your own weight and health, how do you expect to manage our bloody football club. I dont know, it just doesnt give the impression of someone who is in total control and doesnt do much for building respect either. I think trust and respect in the manager is a key requirement at our club at the moment
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3824135/David-Wagner-Jurgen-Klopp-clone-bizarre-bonding-sessions-Huddersfield-dreaming-big-time.html
I know we are not going to get him, but this sort of article makes me very envious we can't find a manager with that level of commitment and forward thinking. We will get Bruce.
Wow, I like the sound of him.....I know we'd all love the Villa but he'd be mad to come!! If we did get him, I susoect we wouldn't see the best of his work until next season.
Probably going to sound a bit shallow but Bruce was photographed recently looking really obese. (not just middle age paunch but dangerously obese) I dont know why but I look at someone like him and think, if you cant manage your own weight and health, how do you expect to manage our bloody football club. I dont know, it just doesnt give the impression of someone who is in total control and doesnt do much for building respect either. I think trust and respect in the manager is a key requirement at our club at the moment
Thats what I think about him as well, if he's got no self discipline how is he going to deal with our wastrels?
Probably going to sound a bit shallow but Bruce was photographed recently looking really obese. (not just middle age paunch but dangerously obese) I dont know why but I look at someone like him and think, if you cant manage your own weight and health, how do you expect to manage our bloody football club. I dont know, it just doesnt give the impression of someone who is in total control and doesnt do much for building respect either. I think trust and respect in the manager is a key requirement at our club at the momentI'm sure after a few months at Bodymoor Heath, the stress of managing the Villa fans expectations and our delinquent squad plus spending afternoons at the Belfry the fat will fall off him. Ron Atkinson wasn't slim don't forget.
Who is Wagner? Seriously he's been in the management game 5 minutes are we really going to go all in on an inexperienced foreign manager who has got some early season scalps with Hednesford ahead of a guy with proven track record as manager in the championship and knows what AVFC is all about. Not saying that is essential but very rare people from outside come in and really understand what managing this club is all about - Graham Taylor, Martin O'Neill and Tim Sherwood got it, O'Leary, Houllier and Paul Lambert didn't.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3824135/David-Wagner-Jurgen-Klopp-clone-bizarre-bonding-sessions-Huddersfield-dreaming-big-time.html
I know we are not going to get him, but this sort of article makes me very envious we can't find a manager with that level of commitment and forward thinking. We will get Bruce.
Wow, I like the sound of him.....I know we'd all love the Villa but he'd be mad to come!! If we did get him, I susoect we wouldn't see the best of his work until next season.
Bruce is the safe option, Wagner is the exciting option. I would prefer Wagner to drag us into the 21st century with his new progressive ideas than continually going around the same old cycle of old school managers having a short term impact and then getting rid of them after 3 years when they and the players become stale
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3824135/David-Wagner-Jurgen-Klopp-clone-bizarre-bonding-sessions-Huddersfield-dreaming-big-time.html
I know we are not going to get him, but this sort of article makes me very envious we can't find a manager with that level of commitment and forward thinking. We will get Bruce.
Wow, I like the sound of him.....I know we'd all love the Villa but he'd be mad to come!! If we did get him, I susoect we wouldn't see the best of his work until next season.
Bruce is the safe option, Wagner is the exciting option. I would prefer Wagner to drag us into the 21st century with his new progressive ideas than continually going around the same old cycle of old school managers having a short term impact and then getting rid of them after 3 years when they and the players become stale
Only proven record Bruce has is of bouncing between divisions and playing awful football
shefiield united = didn't get promotion
huddersfield = didn't get promotion
Palace = didn't get promotion
blose - promoted, relegated, promoted
wigan - premier
Sunderland - premier
Hull - promoted/relegated/promoted
Sheffield United- First job in management.
Huddersfield- No real idea of how he did there tbh.
Palace- Did brilliantly, were leading the division when he left them in December to go to...
SHA- Well yes a relegation but he got them up after what 20 years and kept them up for 4 seasons before he signed too many egos.
Wigan- They finished 8th I think and he signed some pretty good players that Wigan made profits on.
Sunderland- His one poor job in management I think. Even then Sunderland actually had a very good first half of the season in 10/11 but it all fell apart when they sold Bent to us and also lost Welbeck and Gyan shortly afterwards and his striker recruitment was very poor.
Hull- Two promotions and a relegation.
Any manager who's been in the game for a while will have stuff like that on their CV. I think in the state we're in people are criticising him for the sake of it as he's Guardiola level in the championship.
Criticising him in the prem is more arguable although let's get back there first.
I read yesterday that Huddersfield are having their best start to a season since yes you guessed it Steve Bruce was there
Probably going to sound a bit shallow but Bruce was photographed recently looking really obese. (not just middle age paunch but dangerously obese) I dont know why but I look at someone like him and think, if you cant manage your own weight and health, how do you expect to manage our bloody football club. I dont know, it just doesnt give the impression of someone who is in total control and doesnt do much for building respect either. I think trust and respect in the manager is a key requirement at our club at the moment
Winston Churchill was pretty chubs, he seemed to get things done.
Are people guilty of fooling themselves into what we want and hope Wagner to be?
Exactly what I was thinking. And Remi Garde, there was a huge trouser explosion over him in some parts.
Are people guilty of fooling themselves into what we want and hope Wagner to be?
I think so. A fair few people on here were convinced that Ole Gunnar Solskjær was the kind of manager we were looking for a few years ago?
Are people guilty of fooling themselves into what we want and hope Wagner to be?
I think so. A fair few people on here were convinced that Ole Gunnar Solskjær was the kind of manager we were looking for a few years ago?
Are people guilty of fooling themselves into what we want and hope Wagner to be?
I think so. A fair few people on here were convinced that Ole Gunnar Solskjær was the kind of manager we were looking for a few years ago?
I just want out of this league
Out of all the managers mentioned , I think Bruce would do it.
He might be hopeless in the Prem but lets just get out of this league first and worry about that later
3 to 2.. err? Get Tommy Doc back.
If we get a good win against Wolves under Clarke then he may stand a good chance. How come his name's not on the poll?
I think it's looking like it will be Bruce or Wagner.
Bruce would be the safe and sensible option. He's tried and trusted in this division, would sort the defence out and would get us up the league. Downsides being the Small Heath links and he's not exactly going to excite the fans. However is excitement and a risk what we need right now? Almost certainly not.
That brings me on to Wagner. He would be more exciting and an unknown, but he's very inexperienced and has only managed 11 games in this league. I think he would be an unnecessary risk in our current position.
3 to 2.. err? Get Tommy Doc back.
Did the Doc get us promoted? probably missing something
I want it to be Wagner. I could come up with loads of reasons why: Like I'd followed his career to date with great interest, or that I was really impressed with his team at VP earlier in the season or that I've studied his coaching methods and they seem to be exactly what we need. None of which would be true.
I guess the main reason is that I'm bored. Bored of watching us fail. Bored of watching us lump the ball around aimlessly. Bored of watching us get out-thought every week. Bored of watching us get out-fought every week. Bored of the whole club drifting.
Steve Bruce might be able to fix a few of those things. But I wouldn't want to trust him with the rebuilding of the club. He doesn't strike me as having the brain, energy or longevity for that. Short term, he might get us into the playoffs and promoted. Which, don't get me wrong, would be a good achievement from where we are now. After that though, I think we'd really struggle in the Premier League.
I know what you're going to say; "Struggling in the Premier League sounds much better than struggling in the Championship". I guess, and I can fully empathise with people that just want to see us win some matches. I really do. Still, the long term view just doesn't excite me. We know what Steve Bruce can do and I don't think it's good enough for us.
I guess I'd just rather take a risk on someone that could build something for the future; something that will last and will set the foundations for a push to compete, you know…properly compete, in the Premier League. It might be more fun in the long run, even if we have to wait an extra year to get up there. Wagner seems to have that: a definite, progressive philosophy. An ethos. He seems like he has a proper plan. Imagine that?!
We keep saying it, but isn't it about time this club entered the twenty-first century?
[I should add the caveat that I really wanted Remi Garde and was delighted with our transfer window at the start of last season. So I really don't know anything]
I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.
That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.
This, this, this. I think you'd either have to be spectacularly, Earth-stoppingly thick, deluded or a knuckledragger, or a mix of all three (which is quite common) to believe otherwise.
Because when the ancient Romans sacked Carthage in 150 BC, they destroyed the city of their ancient rivals, but refused to plunder all their treasure, jewels, riches and women because they hated them so much. All throughout history there have been cases where people would rather die and go to hell than accept valuable assets from their most hated foes.
And thus, if Birmingham City were to drive an articulated lorry full of Faberge eggs, gold ingots, lost masterpieces by the likes of Van Gogh, Rembrandt, Caravaggio and Picasso, the Holy Grail itself, plus the skeleton of Jesus Christ, into Villa Park, we would duly set fire to it because we couldn't stand to accept such priceless artefacts from them because we don't like them very much and they smell.
But Gary Rowett won't come because he's got more sense, so Bruce it is. I suspect he'll be judged on how good/shit he is.
I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.
That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.
This, this, this. I think you'd either have to be spectacularly, Earth-stoppingly thick, deluded or a knuckledragger, or a mix of all three (which is quite common) to believe otherwise.
Because when the ancient Romans sacked Carthage in 150 BC, they destroyed the city of their ancient rivals, but refused to plunder all their treasure, jewels, riches and women because they hated them so much. All throughout history there have been cases where people would rather die and go to hell than accept valuable assets from their most hated foes.
And thus, if Birmingham City were to drive an articulated lorry full of Faberge eggs, gold ingots, lost masterpieces by the likes of Van Gogh, Rembrandt, Caravaggio and Picasso, the Holy Grail itself, plus the skeleton of Jesus Christ, into Villa Park, we would duly set fire to it because we couldn't stand to accept such priceless artefacts from them because we don't like them very much and they smell.
But Gary Rowett won't come because he's got more sense, so Bruce it is. I suspect he'll be judged on how good/shit he is.
The Romans sacked the living shit out of Carthage and Corinth in the same year, 146 BC.
The sack of Carthage is one of the few examples in history where the Roman's actually sacked a city taken under siege.
The raped, pillaged and leveled the place, taking tens of 50 thousand slaves in the bargain and absorbed Carthaginian territory into Roman dominion. They hated them and took everything from them.
3 to 2.. err? Get Tommy Doc back.
Did the Doc get us promoted? probably missing something
The doc was brought when we were demoted from Div 1. He said on ATV at time. 'it's my job to get the Villa out of division 2' Great teatime viewing. Everyone nodded in agreement. The Villa went in div 3. He got them back up then. Classic stuff. Took a long time back then. Everyone wants instant gratification now. Not least Tony Xia who ants PL riches for his investment. Playing Leyton Orient not on his agenda.
(Edited by PWS: Tidied that up for you.)
'Huddersfield were one of the best drilled and fittest sides I've seen at VP this season'
To be fair to Hoyle they ran rings round us second half and deservedly equalised. Most of ours were blowing out their arses after an hour.
'Huddersfield were one of the best drilled and fittest sides I've seen at VP this season'
I can't believe anybody has actually come out with shite like that? Huddersfield were absolute dogshite until Scannell and Wells injected pace to cause us problems. Even then they had the free kick and feck all else.
So he has, just shows how I haven't noticed him before this season. Why did nobody want him in the summer? He's basically being judged on the 11 games this season which is crazy really. You could pinpoint an 11 game spell in any manager's career to make them look good.I think it's looking like it will be Bruce or Wagner.
Bruce would be the safe and sensible option. He's tried and trusted in this division, would sort the defence out and would get us up the league. Downsides being the Small Heath links and he's not exactly going to excite the fans. However is excitement and a risk what we need right now? Almost certainly not.
That brings me on to Wagner. He would be more exciting and an unknown, but he's very inexperienced and has only managed 11 games in this league. I think he would be an unnecessary risk in our current position.
He's closer to 50 games in this league.
I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.
That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.
This, this, this. I think you'd either have to be spectacularly, Earth-stoppingly thick, deluded or a knuckledragger, or a mix of all three (which is quite common) to believe otherwise.
Because when the ancient Romans sacked Carthage in 150 BC, they destroyed the city of their ancient rivals, but refused to plunder all their treasure, jewels, riches and women because they hated them so much. All throughout history there have been cases where people would rather die and go to hell than accept valuable assets from their most hated foes.
And thus, if Birmingham City were to drive an articulated lorry full of Faberge eggs, gold ingots, lost masterpieces by the likes of Van Gogh, Rembrandt, Caravaggio and Picasso, the Holy Grail itself, plus the skeleton of Jesus Christ, into Villa Park, we would duly set fire to it because we couldn't stand to accept such priceless artefacts from them because we don't like them very much and they smell.
But Gary Rowett won't come because he's got more sense, so Bruce it is. I suspect he'll be judged on how good/shit he is.
The Romans sacked the living shit out of Carthage and Corinth in the same year, 146 BC.
The sack of Carthage is one of the few examples in history where the Roman's actually sacked a city taken under siege.
The raped, pillaged and leveled the place, taking 50 thousand slaves in the bargain and absorbed Carthaginian territory into Roman dominion. They hated them and took everything from them.
I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.
That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.
This, this, this. I think you'd either have to be spectacularly, Earth-stoppingly thick, deluded or a knuckledragger, or a mix of all three (which is quite common) to believe otherwise.
Because when the ancient Romans sacked Carthage in 150 BC, they destroyed the city of their ancient rivals, but refused to plunder all their treasure, jewels, riches and women because they hated them so much. All throughout history there have been cases where people would rather die and go to hell than accept valuable assets from their most hated foes.
And thus, if Birmingham City were to drive an articulated lorry full of Faberge eggs, gold ingots, lost masterpieces by the likes of Van Gogh, Rembrandt, Caravaggio and Picasso, the Holy Grail itself, plus the skeleton of Jesus Christ, into Villa Park, we would duly set fire to it because we couldn't stand to accept such priceless artefacts from them because we don't like them very much and they smell.
But Gary Rowett won't come because he's got more sense, so Bruce it is. I suspect he'll be judged on how good/shit he is.
The Romans sacked the living shit out of Carthage and Corinth in the same year, 146 BC.
The sack of Carthage is one of the few examples in history where the Roman's actually sacked a city taken under siege.
The raped, pillaged and leveled the place, taking 50 thousand slaves in the bargain and absorbed Carthaginian territory into Roman dominion. They hated them and took everything from them.
Yeah sorry, reading back now I should have picked up on it. I just took a bee-line at the opportunity to shoe horn history in!
I think it's looking like it will be Bruce or Wagner.There is another issue,that the younger managers ,Rowett,,Smith,Johnson ,Wagner and Heckingbottom at Barnsley are being more successful than the safe,sensible,tried and tested,ie staid like Mccarthy, Warnock and McClaren.
Bruce would be the safe and sensible option. He's tried and trusted in this division, would sort the defence out and would get us up the league. Downsides being the Small Heath links and he's not exactly going to excite the fans. However is excitement and a risk what we need right now? Almost certainly not.
That brings me on to Wagner. He would be more exciting and an unknown, but he's very inexperienced and has only managed 11 games in this league. I think he would be an unnecessary risk in our current position.
So he has, just shows how I haven't noticed him before this season. Why did nobody want him in the summer? He's basically being judged on the 11 games this season which is crazy really. You could pinpoint an 11 game spell in any manager's career to make them look good.I think it's looking like it will be Bruce or Wagner.
Bruce would be the safe and sensible option. He's tried and trusted in this division, would sort the defence out and would get us up the league. Downsides being the Small Heath links and he's not exactly going to excite the fans. However is excitement and a risk what we need right now? Almost certainly not.
That brings me on to Wagner. He would be more exciting and an unknown, but he's very inexperienced and has only managed 11 games in this league. I think he would be an unnecessary risk in our current position.
He's closer to 50 games in this league.
I actually think he might do alright here, but as I said it's a risk we don't need to take right now.
Surely,if you look at how a team plays and how their team performs ,you can judge the quality of their coach.
3 to 2.. err? Get Tommy Doc back.
Did the Doc get us promoted? probably missing something
The doc was brought when we were demoted from Div 1. He said on ATV at time. 'it's my job to get the Villa out of division 2' Great teatime viewing. Everyone nodded in agreement. The Villa went in div 3. He got them back up then. Classic stuff. Took a long time back then. Everyone wants instant gratification now. Not least Tony Xia who ants PL riches for his investment. Playing Leyton Orient not on his agenda.
(Edited by PWS: Tidied that up for you.)
Surely,if you look at how a team plays and how their team performs ,you can judge the quality of their coach.
Not always. Is Ranieri the genius who won Leicester City the title or the hopeless charlatan who was terrible at Inter and Greece? Well, he's both.
Is Roberto Di Matteo the person whose odd tactical move of playing Ryan Bertrand as a left-winger in the Champions League final was a big part of him winning it when the likes of Mourinho and Ancelotti had failed, or is he the numpty that thinks tactics is sticking four strikers ahead of Westwood and Gardner and hoping for the best? Again, he's both.
Circumstance and surroundings have a massive bearing on whether a manager is any good or not. A good manager can find everything going terribly wrong and a bad manager can find things going right.
I think it's looking like it will be Bruce or Wagner.There is another issue,that the younger managers ,Rowett,,Smith,Johnson ,Wagner and Heckingbottom at Barnsley are being more successful than the safe,sensible,tried and tested,ie staid like Mccarthy, Warnock and McClaren.
Bruce would be the safe and sensible option. He's tried and trusted in this division, would sort the defence out and would get us up the league. Downsides being the Small Heath links and he's not exactly going to excite the fans. However is excitement and a risk what we need right now? Almost certainly not.
That brings me on to Wagner. He would be more exciting and an unknown, but he's very inexperienced and has only managed 11 games in this league. I think he would be an unnecessary risk in our current position.
Being younger doesn't mean being better but inexperience shouldn't be a barrier.
There seems to be a growing number of excellent young,mainly English coaches in the Championship who seem to be a step up in quality from their older counterparts.
In the Premiership you have Howe in comparison to safe and sensible Moyes ? The amazement at Pochettino replacing Adkins at Southampton and what a contrast in their careers since.
Surely,if you look at how a team plays and how their team performs ,you can judge the quality of their coach.
And if Wagner is such an exciting choice, why was he completely overlooked by everybody about 12 games ago?
I think it's looking like it will be Bruce or Wagner.There is another issue,that the younger managers ,Rowett,,Smith,Johnson ,Wagner and Heckingbottom at Barnsley are being more successful than the safe,sensible,tried and tested,ie staid like Mccarthy, Warnock and McClaren.
Bruce would be the safe and sensible option. He's tried and trusted in this division, would sort the defence out and would get us up the league. Downsides being the Small Heath links and he's not exactly going to excite the fans. However is excitement and a risk what we need right now? Almost certainly not.
That brings me on to Wagner. He would be more exciting and an unknown, but he's very inexperienced and has only managed 11 games in this league. I think he would be an unnecessary risk in our current position.
Being younger doesn't mean being better but inexperience shouldn't be a barrier.
There seems to be a growing number of excellent young,mainly English coaches in the Championship who seem to be a step up in quality from their older counterparts.
In the Premiership you have Howe in comparison to safe and sensible Moyes ? The amazement at Pochettino replacing Adkins at Southampton and what a contrast in their careers since.
Surely,if you look at how a team plays and how their team performs ,you can judge the quality of their coach.
Probably get shot down in flames for this, but what's wrong with Clough?
Doesn't suffer fools gladly.
Experienced yet not fucked up any 'big' chances.
Decent track record of structure, organisation and continued improvement.
Did OK at Sheffield and while at Derby was in much the same place as Huddersfield are now.
I'm in the Bruce camp
on here a lot of contributors were oozing how good remy "was" I remember. now he most likely is a good coach BUT he failed the acid test and for those waxing about Robert wagner , you are trying to perpetuate this cycle.
Bruce wont fuck up.
if not Bruce then an equally seasoned professional.
I'm in the Bruce camp
on here a lot of contributors were oozing how good remy "was" I remember. now he most likely is a good coach BUT he failed the acid test and for those waxing about Robert wagner , you are trying to perpetuate this cycle.
Bruce wont fuck up.
if not Bruce then an equally seasoned professional.
I was at first in the Bruce camp too. Now I am not really in any camp. Bruce will get turned on at the first opportunity and the last thing we need is a manager getting pelters early on before they deserve it. We need the crowd to be fully behind the appointment. Dyche would be a Taylor esque appointment in my opinion, and would be a huge coup for the new board. Wagner less so but would still command impressed looks that the board are acting like a big club still. Bruce would need to hit the ground running and not bring a load of useless ex blues with him."Bruce will get turned on at the first opportunity"
I'd have Bruce would be ideal to work with the squad. Strikes me as a keep it simple pragmatist.
Pop a system and an attacking structure onto the firepower we have and we're likely to make the play offs.
I was at first in the Bruce camp too. Now I am not really in any camp. Bruce will get turned on at the first opportunity and the last thing we need is a manager getting pelters early on before they deserve it. We need the crowd to be fully behind the appointment. Dyche would be a Taylor esque appointment in my opinion, and would be a huge coup for the new board. Wagner less so but would still command impressed looks that the board are acting like a big club still. Bruce would need to hit the ground running and not bring a load of useless ex blues with him."Bruce will get turned on at the first opportunity"
No need for that kind of smut. We're discussing who will be our next manager😁
Make it stop. Please make it stop. I just threw up in my own mouthI was at first in the Bruce camp too. Now I am not really in any camp. Bruce will get turned on at the first opportunity and the last thing we need is a manager getting pelters early on before they deserve it. We need the crowd to be fully behind the appointment. Dyche would be a Taylor esque appointment in my opinion, and would be a huge coup for the new board. Wagner less so but would still command impressed looks that the board are acting like a big club still. Bruce would need to hit the ground running and not bring a load of useless ex blues with him."Bruce will get turned on at the first opportunity"
No need for that kind of smut. We're discussing who will be our next manager😁
God can you imagine Bruce in the act. Like a walrus trying to mate.
I'd have Bruce would be ideal to work with the squad. Strikes me as a keep it simple pragmatist.
Pop a system and an attacking structure onto the firepower we have and we're likely to make the play offs.
Yeah, that's pretty much my take on it. I know long term etc... but long term we've been fucking shit, and I'm so frazzled by it all that I'm only interested in sorting the fucking short term out for now.
I'd have Bruce would be ideal to work with the squad. Strikes me as a keep it simple pragmatist.
Pop a system and an attacking structure onto the firepower we have and we're likely to make the play offs.
Yeah, that's pretty much my take on it. I know long term etc... but long term we've been fucking shit, and I'm so frazzled by it all that I'm only interested in sorting the fucking short term out for now.
But will the Doc feel the same? He hasn't had to live through the same unrelenting misery that we have, he's the fresh faced new kid so will he be interested in pragmatic, short term solutions?
I'd have Bruce would be ideal to work with the squad. Strikes me as a keep it simple pragmatist.
Pop a system and an attacking structure onto the firepower we have and we're likely to make the play offs.
Yeah, that's pretty much my take on it. I know long term etc... but long term we've been fucking shit, and I'm so frazzled by it all that I'm only interested in sorting the fucking short term out for now.
But will the Doc feel the same? He hasn't had to live through the same unrelenting misery that we have, he's the fresh faced new kid so will he be interested in pragmatic, short term solutions?
Why is there such a certainty that Bruce is a pragmatic choice?
If Randy Lerner was still the owner and was about to appoint Bruce as manager, I'd imagine this place and others would be in meltdown.
I'd rather stick with Clarke than go with SFB.
I'd have Bruce would be ideal to work with the squad. Strikes me as a keep it simple pragmatist.
Pop a system and an attacking structure onto the firepower we have and we're likely to make the play offs.
Yeah, that's pretty much my take on it. I know long term etc... but long term we've been fucking shit, and I'm so frazzled by it all that I'm only interested in sorting the fucking short term out for now.
But will the Doc feel the same? He hasn't had to live through the same unrelenting misery that we have, he's the fresh faced new kid so will he be interested in pragmatic, short term solutions?
Why is there such a certainty that Bruce is a pragmatic choice?
Who in your opinion would be a more pragmatic choice?
If Randy Lerner was still the owner and was about to appoint Bruce as manager, I'd imagine this place and others would be in meltdown.
I'd rather stick with Clarke than go with SFB.
If Randy Lerner was still the owner and was about to appoint Bruce as manager, I'd imagine this place and others would be in meltdown.
I'd rather stick with Clarke than go with SFB.
No way. Clarke is already there and the coaching and tactics are there for all to see. Abysmal.
If Randy Lerner was still the owner and was about to appoint Bruce as manager, I'd imagine this place and others would be in meltdown.
I'd rather stick with Clarke than go with SFB.
No way. Clarke is already there and the coaching and tactics are there for all to see. Abysmal.
Plus Clarke never leaves the bench. At least with Bruce, we'd have the amusing site of a human space hopper bouncing around on the touchline.
I'd really like to know who the ten names on the list are. At least 6 of those in the poll aren't on it, according to ITK sources in the press.
I have sympathy with those on here who aren't very excited at the prospect of Steve Bruce taking over, but maybe it's a question of perspective. A Liverpool fan I work with is very surprised that we're not thrilled with the prospect of Clarke in control.
I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.
That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.
This, this, this. I think you'd either have to be spectacularly, Earth-stoppingly thick, deluded or a knuckledragger, or a mix of all three (which is quite common) to believe otherwise.
Because when the ancient Romans sacked Carthage in 150 BC, they destroyed the city of their ancient rivals, but refused to plunder all their treasure, jewels, riches and women because they hated them so much. All throughout history there have been cases where people would rather die and go to hell than accept valuable assets from their most hated foes.
And thus, if Birmingham City were to drive an articulated lorry full of Faberge eggs, gold ingots, lost masterpieces by the likes of Van Gogh, Rembrandt, Caravaggio and Picasso, the Holy Grail itself, plus the skeleton of Jesus Christ, into Villa Park, we would duly set fire to it because we couldn't stand to accept such priceless artefacts from them because we don't like them very much and they smell.
But Gary Rowett won't come because he's got more sense, so Bruce it is. I suspect he'll be judged on how good/shit he is.
The Romans sacked the living shit out of Carthage and Corinth in the same year, 146 BC.
The sack of Carthage is one of the few examples in history where the Roman's actually sacked a city taken under siege.
The raped, pillaged and leveled the place, taking 50 thousand slaves in the bargain and absorbed Carthaginian territory into Roman dominion. They hated them and took everything from them.
I'd really like to know who the ten names on the list are. At least 6 of those in the poll aren't on it, according to ITK sources in the press.
I have sympathy with those on here who aren't very excited at the prospect of Steve Bruce taking over, but maybe it's a question of perspective. A Liverpool fan I work with is very surprised that we're not thrilled with the prospect of Clarke in control.
He's from Liverpool, but I can't talk since I've moved here as well ;)I'd really like to know who the ten names on the list are. At least 6 of those in the poll aren't on it, according to ITK sources in the press.
I have sympathy with those on here who aren't very excited at the prospect of Steve Bruce taking over, but maybe it's a question of perspective. A Liverpool fan I work with is very surprised that we're not thrilled with the prospect of Clarke in control.
good one diverpool fan darn souf best place for them.
Stunned at the away turnout, it's true.I'd really like to know who the ten names on the list are. At least 6 of those in the poll aren't on it, according to ITK sources in the press.
I have sympathy with those on here who aren't very excited at the prospect of Steve Bruce taking over, but maybe it's a question of perspective. A Liverpool fan I work with is very surprised that we're not thrilled with the prospect of Clarke in control.
They are probably surprised we go to football matches as well.
I'd have Bruce would be ideal to work with the squad. Strikes me as a keep it simple pragmatist.
Pop a system and an attacking structure onto the firepower we have and we're likely to make the play offs.
Yeah, that's pretty much my take on it. I know long term etc... but long term we've been fucking shit, and I'm so frazzled by it all that I'm only interested in sorting the fucking short term out for now.
But will the Doc feel the same? He hasn't had to live through the same unrelenting misery that we have, he's the fresh faced new kid so will he be interested in pragmatic, short term solutions?
Why is there such a certainty that Bruce is a pragmatic choice?
Who in your opinion would be a more pragmatic choice?
Honestly I don't know I'm just not sure that 'out of work and has managed in the championship' is recruitment strategy we should be following if we plan to be the best team in the world in 5 years. I do totally get the idea of caring about the short term right now but I just think doing it without an eye on the long term would be a really silly idea and I just don't see a long term strategy that Bruce fits into.
I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.
That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.
This, this, this. I think you'd either have to be spectacularly, Earth-stoppingly thick, deluded or a knuckledragger, or a mix of all three (which is quite common) to believe otherwise.
Because when the ancient Romans sacked Carthage in 150 BC, they destroyed the city of their ancient rivals, but refused to plunder all their treasure, jewels, riches and women because they hated them so much. All throughout history there have been cases where people would rather die and go to hell than accept valuable assets from their most hated foes.
And thus, if Birmingham City were to drive an articulated lorry full of Faberge eggs, gold ingots, lost masterpieces by the likes of Van Gogh, Rembrandt, Caravaggio and Picasso, the Holy Grail itself, plus the skeleton of Jesus Christ, into Villa Park, we would duly set fire to it because we couldn't stand to accept such priceless artefacts from them because we don't like them very much and they smell.
But Gary Rowett won't come because he's got more sense, so Bruce it is. I suspect he'll be judged on how good/shit he is.
The Romans sacked the living shit out of Carthage and Corinth in the same year, 146 BC.
The sack of Carthage is one of the few examples in history where the Roman's actually sacked a city taken under siege.
The raped, pillaged and leveled the place, taking 50 thousand slaves in the bargain and absorbed Carthaginian territory into Roman dominion. They hated them and took everything from them.
It was a violation of their most sacred oaths to protect the city following the second Punic war. It was a terrible betrayal prompted by fear and jealousy, and a source of great shame to many Romans.
modern equivalent would be us watching the German economy recover after WWII, re-occupying the country and flattening it. That level of bad faith.
I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.
That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.
This, this, this. I think you'd either have to be spectacularly, Earth-stoppingly thick, deluded or a knuckledragger, or a mix of all three (which is quite common) to believe otherwise.
Because when the ancient Romans sacked Carthage in 150 BC, they destroyed the city of their ancient rivals, but refused to plunder all their treasure, jewels, riches and women because they hated them so much. All throughout history there have been cases where people would rather die and go to hell than accept valuable assets from their most hated foes.
And thus, if Birmingham City were to drive an articulated lorry full of Faberge eggs, gold ingots, lost masterpieces by the likes of Van Gogh, Rembrandt, Caravaggio and Picasso, the Holy Grail itself, plus the skeleton of Jesus Christ, into Villa Park, we would duly set fire to it because we couldn't stand to accept such priceless artefacts from them because we don't like them very much and they smell.
But Gary Rowett won't come because he's got more sense, so Bruce it is. I suspect he'll be judged on how good/shit he is.
The Romans sacked the living shit out of Carthage and Corinth in the same year, 146 BC.
The sack of Carthage is one of the few examples in history where the Roman's actually sacked a city taken under siege.
The raped, pillaged and leveled the place, taking 50 thousand slaves in the bargain and absorbed Carthaginian territory into Roman dominion. They hated them and took everything from them.
It was a violation of their most sacred oaths to protect the city following the second Punic war. It was a terrible betrayal prompted by fear and jealousy, and a source of great shame to many Romans.
modern equivalent would be us watching the German economy recover after WWII, re-occupying the country and flattening it. That level of bad faith.
Or imposing such harsh conditions on them after our victory in WW1 that the rise of fascism and WW2 was all but inevitable.
Swings and roundabouts.
I think I've lost interest in this subject so comprehensively these last few years that I'd be quite happy to take Rowett purely on the basis it'd piss the knuckle draggers off.
That's what I never got with the "it's just because he managed Blues" thing about McLeish. It wasn't that. It was that he was a proven failure who played godawful football. If he'd been a decent manager, the fact we'd taken him from Small Heath would have been a BONUS.
This, this, this. I think you'd either have to be spectacularly, Earth-stoppingly thick, deluded or a knuckledragger, or a mix of all three (which is quite common) to believe otherwise.
Because when the ancient Romans sacked Carthage in 150 BC, they destroyed the city of their ancient rivals, but refused to plunder all their treasure, jewels, riches and women because they hated them so much. All throughout history there have been cases where people would rather die and go to hell than accept valuable assets from their most hated foes.
And thus, if Birmingham City were to drive an articulated lorry full of Faberge eggs, gold ingots, lost masterpieces by the likes of Van Gogh, Rembrandt, Caravaggio and Picasso, the Holy Grail itself, plus the skeleton of Jesus Christ, into Villa Park, we would duly set fire to it because we couldn't stand to accept such priceless artefacts from them because we don't like them very much and they smell.
But Gary Rowett won't come because he's got more sense, so Bruce it is. I suspect he'll be judged on how good/shit he is.
The Romans sacked the living shit out of Carthage and Corinth in the same year, 146 BC.
The sack of Carthage is one of the few examples in history where the Roman's actually sacked a city taken under siege.
The raped, pillaged and leveled the place, taking 50 thousand slaves in the bargain and absorbed Carthaginian territory into Roman dominion. They hated them and took everything from them.
It was a violation of their most sacred oaths to protect the city following the second Punic war. It was a terrible betrayal prompted by fear and jealousy, and a source of great shame to many Romans.
modern equivalent would be us watching the German economy recover after WWII, re-occupying the country and flattening it. That level of bad faith.
Or imposing such harsh conditions on them after our victory in WW1 that the rise of fascism and WW2 was all but inevitable.
Swings and roundabouts.
I have no real idea where the idea that Bruce will 'pop an attacking structure' on our team has come from.
I have no real idea where the idea that Bruce will 'pop an attacking structure' on our team has come from.
Certainly it has not been his modus operandi in the past.
On the other hand, he would sort out the defence double quick time.
Dann and Cunnigham is probably the best DC partnership that SHA will ever see.
Who could forget the blose promotion under bruce with the attacking flair of dj Campbell and Gary Mcsheffrey. Its incredible to think they started out at blose and went on to so much more
I still can't believe that Hadji didn't work out for us. I had such a hard-on for him before he joined.
I still can't believe that Hadji didn't work out for us. I had such a hard-on for him before he joined.
That was just the goatee and the pony tail doing it's magic.
Who could forget the blose promotion under bruce with the attacking flair of dj Campbell and Gary Mcsheffrey. Its incredible to think they started out at blose and went on to so much more
Gary McSheffrey was huge at Coventry before Blues picked him up. I'd completely forgotten he existed and is almost certainly my most embarrassing "that's a mistake, we should have signed him" player mentioned on here.
I'd really like to know who the ten names on the list are. At least 6 of those in the poll aren't on it, according to ITK sources in the press.Having seen the influence of Clarke's coaching I'd be very surprised if any of us was thrilled! :-(
I have sympathy with those on here who aren't very excited at the prospect of Steve Bruce taking over, but maybe it's a question of perspective. A Liverpool fan I work with is very surprised that we're not thrilled with the prospect of Clarke in control.
I still can't believe that Hadji didn't work out for us. I had such a hard-on for him before he joined.I thought between he, Ginola, Merse and Angel we'd have an attack to die for (not to mention Kachloul and Hendrie). It was probably from that point on that we became even more dull under Gregory. It always seemed like the more flair players we signed under JG, the worse we ended up being to watch.
I'm curious to see our approach against Wolves. It will give an indication as to just how much influence Clarke has had tactically, and in terms of selection.I'd really like to know who the ten names on the list are. At least 6 of those in the poll aren't on it, according to ITK sources in the press.Having seen the influence of Clarke's coaching I'd be very surprised if any of us was thrilled! :-(
I have sympathy with those on here who aren't very excited at the prospect of Steve Bruce taking over, but maybe it's a question of perspective. A Liverpool fan I work with is very surprised that we're not thrilled with the prospect of Clarke in control.
I still can't believe that Hadji didn't work out for us. I had such a hard-on for him before he joined.I thought between he, Ginola, Merse and Angel we'd have an attack to die for (not to mention Kachloul and Hendrie). It was probably from that point on that we became even more dull under Gregory. It always seemed like the more flair players we signed under JG, the worse we ended up being to watch.
The major bookmakers have suspended betting on Bruce according to the Meaning Evil.
The major bookmakers have suspended betting on Bruce according to the Meaning Evil.
They do that most nights.
I'm in the Bruce camp
on here a lot of contributors were oozing how good remy "was" I remember. now he most likely is a good coach BUT he failed the acid test and for those waxing about Robert wagner , you are trying to perpetuate this cycle.
Bruce wont fuck up.
if not Bruce then an equally seasoned professional.
No, absolutely not and I say that as someone who doesn't think Wagner is the right choice.
The people who don't want Bruce are trying to BREAK the cycle. Over and over we've hired a manager with no thought of the squad they'll inherit so they try to put square pegs in round holes, or have to make loads of signings to get a squad they can work with. That constant flux of players, coaches and methodology is the reason we're in this mess, that's what board level disinterest does. That's why what's truly important is for the board to decide what they want the club to be and then work out what we need to do to get there. Hiring someone because they're a "seasoned professional" with no regard for playing style or hiring someone to get us promoted so we can worry about the premier league when we get there is the wrong approach. We're desperate for results and to have something positive to talk about but we shouldn't let that desperation be the defining factor in this appointment.
As I've said I'd like someone with a track record of surpassing expectations at a big-medium sized club. Meeting expectations at top half of the championship clubs really isn't enough. I backed Garde and OGS because both of them seemed to have done just that and in the summer I backed RDM because I thought he was clearly the best choice out of him, Pearson and Moyes who were the names being linked. This appointment is different; that one came when there were lots of questions over what investment would be available and how serious Xia was. The huge outlay in the summer has taken away a lot of that uncertainty.
Our sights should be set higher than Bruce and he can come into it in a week or so if nothing else is working out.
The major bookmakers have suspended betting on Bruce according to the Meaning Evil.
If Randy Lerner was still the owner and was about to appoint Bruce as manager, I'd imagine this place and others would be in meltdown.
I'd rather stick with Clarke than go with SFB.
No way. Clarke is already there and the coaching and tactics are there for all to see. Abysmal.
I was pretty underwhelmed about the appointment of RDM but delighted to see Clarke in (Bond less so as I knew so little about him) so I'm thinking pretty much along the same lines as you supertom. I've obviously been pretty disappointed so far but have seen us play some great stuff home and away when we could have buried teams before we suddenly changed personality mid-game and threw points away. Recent selections and game plans suggest RDM in panic mode. If Clarke has total responsibility it will be interesting to see what happens...in the Wolves' game and beyond...I'm curious to see our approach against Wolves. It will give an indication as to just how much influence Clarke has had tactically, and in terms of selection.I'd really like to know who the ten names on the list are. At least 6 of those in the poll aren't on it, according to ITK sources in the press.Having seen the influence of Clarke's coaching I'd be very surprised if any of us was thrilled! :-(
I have sympathy with those on here who aren't very excited at the prospect of Steve Bruce taking over, but maybe it's a question of perspective. A Liverpool fan I work with is very surprised that we're not thrilled with the prospect of Clarke in control.
If he does something different, then perhaps RDM had very much his own ideas (which didn't work). That being said, the consensus is that RDM tends to leave a lot to his coaches. So we'll find out soon. I'd be very reluctant to give Clarke the job based on his time here so far, but if we suddenly look like a functioning unit in that Wolves game...
...
(if we did win, and did then get the job, Villa law dictates he'd lose the next five).
If Randy Lerner was still the owner and was about to appoint Bruce as manager, I'd imagine this place and others would be in meltdown.
I'd rather stick with Clarke than go with SFB.
No way. Clarke is already there and the coaching and tactics are there for all to see. Abysmal.
Depends on whether he was in agreement with how the team was set up and asked to play. He may have been at odds with RDM. I have said it before, we would get some idea with his first team selection (if we don't have a new manager by then) and how he approaches the game.
The major bookmakers have suspended betting on Bruce according to the Meaning Evil.
They do that most nights.
Several bookmakers have now suspended betting on the next Aston Villa manager with Steve Bruce the odds on favourite.
Boyle Sports, Ladbrokes, William Hill, Betway and Betfred have all stopped taking bets on the market tonight after large money came in for the 55-year-old former Birmingham City boss.
The remaining bookies are offering prices ranging from 1/2 to 3/10 as the net seemingly closes on the next Aston Villa manager.
The major bookmakers have suspended betting on Bruce according to the Meaning Evil.
They do that most nights.
I take your point, but they are saying "large money came in".QuoteSeveral bookmakers have now suspended betting on the next Aston Villa manager with Steve Bruce the odds on favourite.
Boyle Sports, Ladbrokes, William Hill, Betway and Betfred have all stopped taking bets on the market tonight after large money came in for the 55-year-old former Birmingham City boss.
The remaining bookies are offering prices ranging from 1/2 to 3/10 as the net seemingly closes on the next Aston Villa manager.
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If Randy Lerner was still the owner and was about to appoint Bruce as manager, I'd imagine this place and others would be in meltdown.
I'd rather stick with Clarke than go with SFB.
You love Steve Fabulous Bruce really.
It really was too early to sack RDM despite what I said previously. He should have been given at least until Christmas and now Clarke should be given until Christmas. There are some very good players at the club for this level and time is needed to get them working as a team for 90+ minutes in each match.Clarke anyone ;)
No way, sacked from Reading, didn't do that well.
Sacked from Albion on the back of 9 wins in 45.
Excellent stuff. What the internet was invented for.
The major bookmakers have suspended betting on Bruce according to the Meaning Evil.
They do that most nights.
I take your point, but they are saying "large money came in".QuoteSeveral bookmakers have now suspended betting on the next Aston Villa manager with Steve Bruce the odds on favourite.
Boyle Sports, Ladbrokes, William Hill, Betway and Betfred have all stopped taking bets on the market tonight after large money came in for the 55-year-old former Birmingham City boss.
The remaining bookies are offering prices ranging from 1/2 to 3/10 as the net seemingly closes on the next Aston Villa manager.
In the short term, I'd take winning a game, just one.Yes, I think we should have a manager for one game only, like they have different directors doing one episode every now and again in series such as The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Gomorrah and so on. They could spend time on one opponent only, work out how to beat them, drill our lot at BMH then we would win every game and go up with the trophy.
...and make a programme about it, entitled '24 Bosses' or perhaps 'The Chosen 24'. A manager for each league opponent and a manager for all the cups, a real cup tie specialist.In the short term, I'd take winning a game, just one.Yes, I think we should have a manager for one game only, like they have different directors doing one episode every now and again in series such as The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Gomorrah and so on. They could spend time on one opponent only, work out how to beat them, drill our lot at BMH then we would win every game and go up with the trophy.
The major bookmakers have suspended betting on Bruce according to the Meaning Evil.
They do that most nights.
I take your point, but they are saying "large money came in".QuoteSeveral bookmakers have now suspended betting on the next Aston Villa manager with Steve Bruce the odds on favourite.
Boyle Sports, Ladbrokes, William Hill, Betway and Betfred have all stopped taking bets on the market tonight after large money came in for the 55-year-old former Birmingham City boss.
The remaining bookies are offering prices ranging from 1/2 to 3/10 as the net seemingly closes on the next Aston Villa manager.
They said large money came in on McLeish. I did 500 quid. It wasn't that large.
In the short term, I'd take winning a game, just one.Yes, I think we should have a manager for one game only, like they have different directors doing one episode every now and again in series such as The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Gomorrah and so on. They could spend time on one opponent only, work out how to beat them, drill our lot at BMH then we would win every game and go up with the trophy.
In the short term, I'd take winning a game, just one.Yes, I think we should have a manager for one game only, like they have different directors doing one episode every now and again in series such as The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Gomorrah and so on. They could spend time on one opponent only, work out how to beat them, drill our lot at BMH then we would win every game and go up with the trophy.
Maybe have a different guest manager every week like Have I got News for You.
How is it other. Pubs can find good managers like Wagner, Rosetta,Pochetini, Karanca etc when we appoint the likes of our last 5 or so incumbants?
The other thought I had was Jed Steer spent last season under Wagner,has he been asked his opinion?
My vote goes to Dean Smith because you know his heart would be in it like all of us.
In the short term, I'd take winning a game, just one.Yes, I think we should have a manager for one game only, like they have different directors doing one episode every now and again in series such as The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Gomorrah and so on. They could spend time on one opponent only, work out how to beat them, drill our lot at BMH then we would win every game and go up with the trophy.
Maybe have a different guest manager every week like Have I got News for You.
...and make a programme about it, entitled '24 Bosses' or perhaps 'The Chosen 24'. A manager for each league opponent and a manager for all the cups, a real cup tie specialist.In the short term, I'd take winning a game, just one.Yes, I think we should have a manager for one game only, like they have different directors doing one episode every now and again in series such as The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Gomorrah and so on. They could spend time on one opponent only, work out how to beat them, drill our lot at BMH then we would win every game and go up with the trophy.
Episode 1 - Barry Fry. Episode 2 - Steve Coppell...
On the basis of this, sign him up!That is fucking genius. How do people come up with this stuff?
https://mobile.twitter.com/bruceatwedding
https://youtu.be/GH0yWLdUEwI
We're some what behind , we've only been doing it by meteorological season ... Different manager every change of seasonIn the short term, I'd take winning a game, just one.Yes, I think we should have a manager for one game only, like they have different directors doing one episode every now and again in series such as The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Gomorrah and so on. They could spend time on one opponent only, work out how to beat them, drill our lot at BMH then we would win every game and go up with the trophy.
Maybe have a different guest manager every week like Have I got News for You.
That isn't a very original idea. England are already doing it.
We're some what behind , we've only been doing it by meteorological season ... Different manager every change of seasonIn the short term, I'd take winning a game, just one.Yes, I think we should have a manager for one game only, like they have different directors doing one episode every now and again in series such as The Sopranos, Game of Thrones, Gomorrah and so on. They could spend time on one opponent only, work out how to beat them, drill our lot at BMH then we would win every game and go up with the trophy.
Maybe have a different guest manager every week like Have I got News for You.
That isn't a very original idea. England are already doing it.
Just read this headline on the Gurniard website:
"Klopp: the ‘energy giver’ who made Liverpool believe again. The German was appointed a year ago on Saturday and his combination of bear hugs, honesty and discipline has changed the atmosphere at the club"
This is the level of change that is required - we just need to find someone that can provide it.
Just read this headline on the Gurniard website:
"Klopp: the ‘energy giver’ who made Liverpool believe again. The German was appointed a year ago on Saturday and his combination of bear hugs, honesty and discipline has changed the atmosphere at the club"
This is the level of change that is required - we just need to find someone that can provide it.
https://www.facebook.com/The-Bell-at-Tanworth-in-Arden-508463732500157/?fref=ts
You can ask the man himself here..
Just read this headline on the Gurniard website:
"Klopp: the ‘energy giver’ who made Liverpool believe again. The German was appointed a year ago on Saturday and his combination of bear hugs, honesty and discipline has changed the atmosphere at the club"
This is the level of change that is required - we just need to find someone that can provide it.
I agree completely, now try to imagine Bruce coming in and changing the entire culture of the club like that. That's the point we need someone with that forceful personality and huge self-confidence who can kick the club back on track.
If we're 1-0 up with 10 minutes we should, as a club and fanbase, know that we've got it in the bag, right now we know we'll find a way to fuck it up and that's through all levels of the club, that negative belief undermines everything else.
Just read this headline on the Gurniard website:
"Klopp: the ‘energy giver’ who made Liverpool believe again. The German was appointed a year ago on Saturday and his combination of bear hugs, honesty and discipline has changed the atmosphere at the club"
This is the level of change that is required - we just need to find someone that can provide it.
I agree completely, now try to imagine Bruce coming in and changing the entire culture of the club like that. That's the point we need someone with that forceful personality and huge self-confidence who can kick the club back on track.
If we're 1-0 up with 10 minutes we should, as a club and fanbase, know that we've got it in the bag, right now we know we'll find a way to fuck it up and that's through all levels of the club, that negative belief undermines everything else.
Just read this headline on the Gurniard website:
"Klopp: the ‘energy giver’ who made Liverpool believe again. The German was appointed a year ago on Saturday and his combination of bear hugs, honesty and discipline has changed the atmosphere at the club"
This is the level of change that is required - we just need to find someone that can provide it.
I agree completely, now try to imagine Bruce coming in and changing the entire culture of the club like that. That's the point we need someone with that forceful personality and huge self-confidence who can kick the club back on track.
If we're 1-0 up with 10 minutes we should, as a club and fanbase, know that we've got it in the bag, right now we know we'll find a way to fuck it up and that's through all levels of the club, that negative belief undermines everything else.
Personally I don't have a problem with Bruce, he's a good manager. But it's often been said that he can "do a job". I want to see more than that. The state that we are in we need a transformation and I don't think that Bruce and some others that have been mentioned can affect a club as much as managers like Pochettino, Eddie Howe and Klopp have affected their clubs. But as I said, we have to find that person - is he on the list?
Sherwood 'did a job' but then instead of doing the sensible thing (like Tottenham did) and fucking him off for someone who could setup a team for the season we let him condemn us. That's what I mean about 'do a job' style appointments. You have to be so careful to not let that job become another one that they're not suited for.
Just read this headline on the Gurniard website:
"Klopp: the ‘energy giver’ who made Liverpool believe again. The German was appointed a year ago on Saturday and his combination of bear hugs, honesty and discipline has changed the atmosphere at the club"
This is the level of change that is required - we just need to find someone that can provide it.
I agree completely, now try to imagine Bruce coming in and changing the entire culture of the club like that. That's the point we need someone with that forceful personality and huge self-confidence who can kick the club back on track.
If we're 1-0 up with 10 minutes we should, as a club and fanbase, know that we've got it in the bag, right now we know we'll find a way to fuck it up and that's through all levels of the club, that negative belief undermines everything else.
Personally I don't have a problem with Bruce, he's a good manager. But it's often been said that he can "do a job". I want to see more than that. The state that we are in we need a transformation and I don't think that Bruce and some others that have been mentioned can affect a club as much as managers like Pochettino, Eddie Howe and Klopp have affected their clubs. But as I said, we have to find that person - is he on the list?
Yeah but we haven't had a manager even 'do a job' since MON over 6 years ago.
Shearer has said that Bruce has talked to the club.
Dean smith deserves a go, done his apprenticeship at smaller clubs and continues to do well, would be nice to have a manager on the way up, the being a villa fan is a bonus, but it will give him time to overhaul things as we won't be on his back as quicklyI don't think he 'deserves at go' at taking the reigns at the Villa on the back what he has done so far.
Shearer has said that Bruce has talked to the club.
Oh god no!
At this rate we'll need someone like warnock just to keep us up!
Shearer has said that Bruce has talked to the club.
Oh god no!
Shearer was playing golf with him at the time.
Shearer has said that Bruce has talked to the club.
Oh god no!
Shearer has said that Bruce has talked to the club.
Oh god no!
Talks don't always go well.
Shearer has said that Bruce has talked to the club.
Oh god no!
Shearer was playing golf with him at the time.
Desperate times at Villa having that lump as manager. At best all he ever gives you is a very short term success based on turgid depressing football which is quickly followed by the inevitable decline and then he exits. Bruce at Villa, what a depressing thought.
If Steve Round is impressed by people like Wagner my impression is that someone like Bruce would have to do very, very well to make a good impression. Or at least I hope so.
The major bookmakers have suspended betting on Bruce according to the Meaning Evil.
They do that most nights.
We have this conversation every time we're looking for a new manager.
Sacking an experienced manager after a bad run of 11 games and replacing him with a novice who's had a good run of 11 games could be either considered a massive gamble or rather stupid.
Far from being a Bruce lover, I console myself that under him we will not get relegated. Neither will we get promoted any time soon but I am thankful for small mercies.
Wagner and others are, of course, risks,
Far from being a Bruce lover, I console myself that under him we will not get relegated. Neither will we get promoted any time soon but I am thankful for small mercies.
Wagner might give us an instant boost as did appointing Garde, but he might not be able to prove it under the weight of expectation that will come from managing us.Did that happen? :|
So, down to a shortlist of 3 according to Tone.QuoteDr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 1h1 hour ago
Updates:We've working hard last week from25to10to3(not as reported)to2.Have to state again that our decision was nothing due to impatience.
Far from being a Bruce lover, I console myself that under him we will not get relegated. Neither will we get promoted any time soon but I am thankful for small mercies.
Why shouldn't we get promoted?. After all we are only a quarter of the way through a long season. Having said that I think a time span of two seasons would be sensible to form an effective playing pattern which would be successful in the long run.
QuoteSo, down to a shortlist of 3 according to Tone.QuoteDr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 1h1 hour ago
Updates:We've working hard last week from25to10to3(not as reported)to2.Have to state again that our decision was nothing due to impatience.
Wagner might give us an instant boost as did appointing Garde, but he might not be able to prove it under the weight of expectation that will come from managing us.Did that happen? :|
QuoteSo, down to a shortlist of 3 according to Tone.QuoteDr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 1h1 hour ago
Updates:We've working hard last week from25to10to3(not as reported)to2.Have to state again that our decision was nothing due to impatience.
When he says 'our decision' is he he talking about the decision to sack RDM?
Wagner might give us an instant boost as did appointing Garde, but he might not be able to prove it under the weight of expectation that will come from managing us.Did that happen? :|
Odd that he feels he has to say that. At this stage it scarcely matters.
For me it has to be about leadership. Leadership is one of those qualities, like charisma, that's much easier to recognise than to define. But a big chunk of it is optimism. The unshakable belief that things will get better, and keep on getting better. Partly it's luck, but also the intelligence to recognise what luck you have and to capitalise on it. Partly it's the resolute determination not to be fucked with by anyone who tries to get in your way. But most of all the deeply-held desire to take people with you, and let them share your success.
Napoleon's advice to his juniors on leadership boiled down to three principles: activity; concentration of forces; and the resolution to die for France. I think if you substitute `Villa' for `France' I would take that.
For me it has to be about leadership. Leadership is one of those qualities, like charisma, that's much easier to recognise than to define. But a big chunk of it is optimism. The unshakable belief that things will get better, and keep on getting better. Partly it's luck, but also the intelligence to recognise what luck you have and to capitalise on it. Partly it's the resolute determination not to be fucked with by anyone who tries to get in your way. But most of all the deeply-held desire to take people with you, and let them share your success.
Napoleon's advice to his juniors on leadership boiled down to three principles: activity; concentration of forces; and the resolution to die for France. I think if you substitute `Villa' for `France' I would take that.
there those on here who think Bruce guarantees promotion and have said so
I think he gurantees being right back in the same situation in 6-18 months but that's just what I think
he took Hull to 4th in the championship last season he didn't storm the league by any stretch, he huffed and puffed and just got them over the line in a play off, if people think that guarantees us promotion then fair enough but I don't,
alos those that keep saying lets take Bruce for a couple of years then replace him, football just doesn't work like that, I know it happens but it happens because of circumstances not design,
if he aint good enough for us in two years time he aint good enough now
I know I keep banging on about this but anyone that argues and makes a case for that fat head to be managing Villa and sitting in our dug out spending millions on overated british crap must be of their heads
just saying 'he'll get us up' is a crap argument as it would be if you said the same for Warnock or Holloway etc,
which direction and future do you want us to take one of a prehistoric dinosaur style football and tactics which offers no risk because you know exactly what your getting - boring shit football
or take another risk on someone that offers a bit of hope for the future
so we got the new owner, new players new optimism new money and after all that if the best we can come up with is old wanked out Steve Bruce picking up his latest few million for doing fuck all then we deserve all we get
I disagree with the whole 'if he ain't good enough for us in 2 years he ain't good enough for us now' logic. Now I don't know about Bruce, but our aspiration is the get out of the Championship now. We need someone to organise us quickly and get us playing as a team. If someone can do that it should be more than enough to get out of this league with the players we have and probably be enough to be stable in the top flight. Then in a couple of years we'd hopefully be aiming a bit higher and you move on to someone else.
Bruce and Clarke the final two apparently
Odd that he feels he has to say that. At this stage it scarcely matters.
Bruce and Clarke the final two apparently
Usual contact, Vincent?
Odd that he feels he has to say that. At this stage it scarcely matters.
I guess it does if Clarke is one of the last two candidates.
Bruce and Clarke the final two apparently
Sadly , its more a matter of ending up with Bruce instead of going after Bruce...this early in the season you do not have enough good managers that is between jobs.
Think about it...if you disregard if they would consider US...who are the "objectivly acclaimed" most competent Managers thats's available right now?
I would probably say...Mancini, Lagerbäck, RDM (yes we know he is crap but that wasn't the question)...and Bruce. So no wonder we end up with him ...as the few who is ranked above him wouldn't go near a dysfunctional Villa.
Clarke was appalling at Reading.
Bruce and Clarke the final two apparently
Bruce and Clarke the final two apparently
Despite Tony's comments that there were three?
By Barney Corkhill, Staff Reporter
Filed: Friday, October 7, 2016 at 19:53 UK
Last Updated: Friday, October 7, 2016 at 19:53 UK
Huddersfield Town chairman Dean Hoyle has claimed that manager David Wagner will not leave the club for a Championship rival.
Wagner has enjoyed a positive start to life in English football and was subsequently linked with the Aston Villa job following the departure of Roberto Di Matteo earlier this week.
However, Hoyle revealed that Wagner has given him assurances over his commitment to the club.
"The club doesn't want to get into a situation where it has to comment every time David or a player is linked with a move away, but setting the position out once will help to set our fans' minds at ease," Hoyle told the club's official website.
"Like everyone, I know David has aspirations to manage at the highest level - but I also know he wants that to be with Huddersfield, which we're all working to make possible in the future. David has told me that he would never leave us for another Championship club, regardless of which club that is.
"We all feel like something is coming together here at Huddersfield and we're fully committed to seeing that through. Hopefully this will help to put some of our fans' minds at ease as we all aim to continue our good start to the season, with the game against Sheffield Wednesday on October 16 the only focus."
The Terriers are surprise leaders of the Championship having picked up 25 points from their opening 11 games.
Bruce and Clarke the final two apparently
Despite Tony's comments that there were three?
2 plus the man himself.
there those on here who think Bruce guarantees promotion and have said so
I think he gurantees being right back in the same situation in 6-18 months but that's just what I think
he took Hull to 4th in the championship last season he didn't storm the league by any stretch, he huffed and puffed and just got them over the line in a play off, if people think that guarantees us promotion then fair enough but I don't,
alos those that keep saying lets take Bruce for a couple of years then replace him, football just doesn't work like that, I know it happens but it happens because of circumstances not design,
if he aint good enough for us in two years time he aint good enough now
I know I keep banging on about this but anyone that argues and makes a case for that fat head to be managing Villa and sitting in our dug out spending millions on overated british crap must be of their heads
just saying 'he'll get us up' is a crap argument as it would be if you said the same for Warnock or Holloway etc,
which direction and future do you want us to take one of a prehistoric dinosaur style football and tactics which offers no risk because you know exactly what your getting - boring shit football
or take another risk on someone that offers a bit of hope for the future
so we got the new owner, new players new optimism new money and after all that if the best we can come up with is old wanked out Steve Bruce picking up his latest few million for doing fuck all then we deserve all we get
For me, my reticence for Bruce has absolutely nothing to do with his association with the blues. It's more about the feeling that he's yesterday's man and looks like a heart attack waiting to happen.
My money would be on Clarke being given until the end of the season.You know what, me too. I'd be tempted too if I was Dr. Tone after looking at the list on this poll.
Wagner and others are, of course, risks, and Bruce's record does give him the impression of being less of a risk than some. But there are risks with him too - the risk of settling back in the doldrums, of not building any substantial club ethos or infrastructure, of dropping even further behind clubs like Southampton who are doing that. It was this kind of short-termism which ruined is under and after MON, and it's not right to suggest that it isn't a risk.You're right, all managerial appointments are calculated risks. I voted for Wagner, but I'd hate it to turn out badly, and think that not having a pre-season to prepare, and somebody else's players, might hamper him too much. I can't see him being able to instil the group mentality from where we are at the moment. Recent experience has taught me that the answer to 'how bad could it be?' is 'pretty fucking bad'. I don't lay much blame at Garde's door, and think the main mistake was appointing him (or someone like him) 18 months too late. For where we are now, Bruce seems to be the best bet to consolidate in this division and make a bid for promotion. I really won't be too disappointed if he is the man. Perhaps I've been broken by the last few years, but we are so far from where I'd like to be right now that I'm happy to take a needs must attitude.
Wonder if it is Bruce he'd consider keeping Clarke as assistant??Fucking hell, don't be too blazen. That's too much excitement for a Friday. ;)
Bruce & Clarke not or.
Bruce and Clarke the final two apparently
Usual contact, Vincent?
Wonder if it is Bruce he'd consider keeping Clarke as assistant??
Bruce & Clarke not or.
From Sports Mole.QuoteBy Barney Corkhill, Staff Reporter
Filed: Friday, October 7, 2016 at 19:53 UK
Last Updated: Friday, October 7, 2016 at 19:53 UK
Huddersfield Town chairman Dean Hoyle has claimed that manager David Wagner will not leave the club for a Championship rival.
Wagner has enjoyed a positive start to life in English football and was subsequently linked with the Aston Villa job following the departure of Roberto Di Matteo earlier this week.
However, Hoyle revealed that Wagner has given him assurances over his commitment to the club.
"The club doesn't want to get into a situation where it has to comment every time David or a player is linked with a move away, but setting the position out once will help to set our fans' minds at ease," Hoyle told the club's official website.
"Like everyone, I know David has aspirations to manage at the highest level - but I also know he wants that to be with Huddersfield, which we're all working to make possible in the future. David has told me that he would never leave us for another Championship club, regardless of which club that is.
"We all feel like something is coming together here at Huddersfield and we're fully committed to seeing that through. Hopefully this will help to put some of our fans' minds at ease as we all aim to continue our good start to the season, with the game against Sheffield Wednesday on October 16 the only focus."
The Terriers are surprise leaders of the Championship having picked up 25 points from their opening 11 games.
Well, Brucie's passion knock's the expressionless and motionless Clarke out of the ground for a start. The guy's been as animated as Lot's wife once turned to salt.
We shall see won't we. I think Bruce is a better bet to get us up than Clarke though.
A fucking Hobsons choice if I ever saw one.
There must be a better choice. Bono? Eamonn Holmes?
Please no Bruce.
There must be a better choice. Bono? Eamonn Holmes?
Please no Bruce.
So who is a better choice at the present time?
There must be a better choice. Bono? Eamonn Holmes?
Please no Bruce.
So who is a better choice at the present time?
I'd honestly prefer Lambert.
I genuinely think given where we are at right now as a club, Bruce would be a great choice and the man for the job. Takes no prisoners, stable and knows how to get results. For me, results are all that matters right now.
There must be a better choice. Bono? Eamonn Holmes?
Please no Bruce.
So who is a better choice at the present time?
I'd honestly prefer Lambert.
Certainly can't agree with that. Personally I would take a punt with Dean Smith, but that is all it would be and we have done a bit of that recently with nil success.
nobody hates the noses as much as me, the fucking retarded weasels, but I love Aston Villa and I want us to be back in the premiership
I know there are decent managers out there and to that score I would add Pulis, I actually think olbion fans are deluded as for the money , pulis is doing a great job. we need to to get out of this dog fight of a league before we become the damned
so lets drop this he's been associated with the knuckle draggers and realise that Steve Bruce is exactly right for us , right now.
It's miles easier to type "wud" than "would", I think we'll all agree.But that doesn't answer either of my questions
It's miles easier to type "wud" than "would", I think we'll all agree.But that doesn't answer either of my questions
Who did Bruce have as his back room team at previous couple of jobs ? Do u think CLARKE wud stay as no 2?
You'd have been better off not posting then ?It's miles easier to type "wud" than "would", I think we'll all agree.But that doesn't answer either of my questions
I know. I didn't register the questions as my eyes were bleeding having seen "wud".
You'd have been better off not posting then ?It's miles easier to type "wud" than "would", I think we'll all agree.But that doesn't answer either of my questions
I know. I didn't register the questions as my eyes were bleeding having seen "wud".
I'm awaiting my invite to stand outside the headmaster's office (lol)You'd have been better off not posting then ?It's miles easier to type "wud" than "would", I think we'll all agree.But that doesn't answer either of my questions
I know. I didn't register the questions as my eyes were bleeding having seen "wud".
I'm surprised the shortlist has shortened to two so quickly, but entirely possible if the quoted source is correct. Either of the (presumed) two can do a job, and in the case of SC is a cheaper option. (less musical chairs and therefore cost around back room staff). Indeed if SC didn't like who he is asked to work for as a #2, and he has a good clause in his own contract could be another pay off to cover? Point is it is more than just finding one individual. For that reason I'd say SC in box seat if he can get 8pts from 12 after the internationals, and with finance casting a shadow over it even a well off owner would give it a go.
Think I agree with another poster that need to redefine and re-set our plan, bed in the considerable influx of new players we brought in. to get the max out of each up to the limit of what they can do. Interesting article in Telegraph yesterday about how Walcott re-invented himself for example. (Hope Gabby doesn't read it).
On the subject of Huddersfield, I have ended up living nr there through career path, and they shouldn't be dissed as a lucky, crap outfit. They have a great commercial plan they have implemented, sold 15000 season tickets at £180 each , that about £8/game and the place is nearly full every 2 weeks. (capacity c 25000) They fill the spaces against lesser sides (QPR the last I recall with £5 tickets on general sale). They spent the square root of FA on transfers too. Wagner is loyal to his chairman it seems and don't expect he was ever going to move until he'd seen their plan working or not.
If it's Steve Clarke I'm going down the Walsall.Why am I being singled out when the above statement is not grammatically correct and yet there is no comment .... This is turning into bullying and harassment in the workplace. That's how STEVE Bruce may feel after losing a few games like mcleish did
Relax Daz. Some of us our old and angry and we react badly to this text speak.(I bet you have one of those mobile phones too)And am posting off it now. Thanks for your comment, genuinely. I'm all about consitency and fairness . Moaning and sarcastically posting about my gramatics but not about the last post in another thread this evening (#bants) posted by someone else or even the poor gramatics of done thread titles doesn't seem fair game really . Point made. Back to thread topic... We are not going to ever get another O'neil , cash injection or contracts of the start of Lerner era so it's pretty academic who becomes next boss. We just have to belt in and try to enjoy the ride or get off at the next stop pronto. Simply a matter of choices
What on Earth makes them consider Clarke? He's been a direct part of the shit formations, shit substitutions and shit preparation.I actually don't think he was . They had both previously had same posts in some similar /same clubs but never worked together . He RARELY , as Kevin Bond didn't either , left his seat during a game which I found interesting and frustrating
What on Earth makes them consider Clarke? He's been a direct part of the shit formations, shit substitutions and shit preparation.I actually don't think he was . They had both previously had same posts in some similar /same clubs but never worked together . He RARELY , as Kevin Bond didn't either , left his seat during a game which I found interesting and frustrating
*sigh*. they got 11 games. Who turns round 5 years of total shite in 11 games?And £50million
Concur. Exactly my pointWhat on Earth makes them consider Clarke? He's been a direct part of the shit formations, shit substitutions and shit preparation.I actually don't think he was . They had both previously had same posts in some similar /same clubs but never worked together . He RARELY , as Kevin Bond didn't either , left his seat during a game which I found interesting and frustrating
I thought Clarke and Bond were good appointments, but they have seemingly had little input
Relax Daz. Some of us our old and angry and we react badly to this text speak.(I bet you have one of those mobile phones too)And am posting off it now. Thanks for your comment, genuinely. I'm all about consitency and fairness . Moaning and sarcastically posting about my gramatics but not about the last post in another thread this evening (#bants) posted by someone else or even the poor gramatics of done thread titles doesn't seem fair game really . Point made. Back to thread topic... We are not going to ever get another O'neil , cash injection or contracts of the start of Lerner era so it's pretty academic who becomes next boss. We just have to belt in and try to enjoy the ride or get off at the next stop pronto. Simply a matter of choices
Between you and I, your comment is worth a lol then !Relax Daz. Some of us our old and angry and we react badly to this text speak.(I bet you have one of those mobile phones too)And am posting off it now. Thanks for your comment, genuinely. I'm all about consitency and fairness . Moaning and sarcastically posting about my gramatics but not about the last post in another thread this evening (#bants) posted by someone else or even the poor gramatics of done thread titles doesn't seem fair game really . Point made. Back to thread topic... We are not going to ever get another O'neil , cash injection or contracts of the start of Lerner era so it's pretty academic who becomes next boss. We just have to belt in and try to enjoy the ride or get off at the next stop pronto. Simply a matter of choices
Don't worry about it. I rarely post coherently at the first attempt.
*sigh*. they got 11 games. Who turns round 5 years of total shite in 11 games?And £50million
A lot of folk seem anti Bruce, which is fair enough. When asked, many of the people I speak to say they don't want him, but at the same time don't actually say who they do want. We aren't in the ideal scenario with the luxury of choice...believe it or not, top quality managers are no longer forming a queue to come here, so we need to be realistic. Of those in the frame, Bruce has the best credentials, regardless of his past.Des, fair points but were we not sold that mcleish came with decent credentials from yesteryear ? From Dr T posts it seems that we are not necessarily after the best man for the job at all costs but it'll be the best of the 26 applicants . Surely that's a massive difference and one which all those posting about speculation needs to grasp
sickbeggar, respect your views but have to say the tactics employed by RDM were baffling to say the least and not sure how it would have improved.
I accept it takes time to settle, but the tactics seemed so random, not sure he knew what he was doing and really strange when you had two very experienced blokes as back up.
I accept it takes time to settle, but the tactics seemed so random, not sure he knew what he was doing and really strange when you had two very experienced blokes as back up.
well the big problem was the players bought imo. championships players and in the case of jedinak, someone probably on the way out. I'd have liked him to have spent 25 million on premier players, but i'm guessing they wouldn't have come on the wages offered. Stick a Barry in that midfiled instead of westwood and we'd be a lot nearer the top
I accept it takes time to settle, but the tactics seemed so random, not sure he knew what he was doing and really strange when you had two very experienced blokes as back up.
well the big problem was the players bought imo. championships players and in the case of jedinak, someone probably on the way out. I'd have liked him to have spent 25 million on premier players, but i'm guessing they wouldn't have come on the wages offered. Stick a Barry in that midfiled instead of westwood and we'd be a lot nearer the top
Barry is still wanted at a top 6 club in Everton though. Kodije (sp) will be a good player I think, McCormack I think is talented but heard Warnock saying it is difficult to fit him into a team style, not sure what style Warnock has though lol. I just worry sometimes older players from premiership (I don't mean Barry who I know loves the club) would treat it as a pay day and hope the current signings don't think that.
Barry probably wants another season of top level football and apparently excelling.
Bruce not your choice, who do you want then? I would like a punt on Dean Smith but we need a proven winner and can't see anyone other than Bruce
A lot of folk seem anti Bruce, which is fair enough. When asked, many of the people I speak to say they don't want him, but at the same time don't actually say who they do want. We aren't in the ideal scenario with the luxury of choice...believe it or not, top quality managers are no longer forming a queue to come here, so we need to be realistic. Of those in the frame, Bruce has the best credentials, regardless of his past.
Matt C, I doubt it as new manager wants his own staff, but must admit the sight of Keith decking Bertschin in the Villa dugout makes me feel a little bit queasy. Still remember him celebrating at VP in 77/78
Ditto re Dean Smith, didn't know much about him before we played Brentford. I think that is heart over head though. Just want us winning a few games and with a bit of style, not too much to ask surely lol
Ditto re Dean Smith, didn't know much about him before we played Brentford. I think that is heart over head though. Just want us winning a few games and with a bit of style, not too much to ask surely lol
Nope it's not. I don't want to go down one of those "how low we've fallen" threads because they're daft, but the fact remains Bruce is in the running because while the style bit is asking a bit much, winning a few games is probably possible under his management.
Ditto re Dean Smith, didn't know much about him before we played Brentford. I think that is heart over head though. Just want us winning a few games and with a bit of style, not too much to ask surely lol
Nope it's not. I don't want to go down one of those "how low we've fallen" threads because they're daft, but the fact remains Bruce is in the running because while the style bit is asking a bit much, winning a few games is probably possible under his management.
We are in a pi55 p00r position, who will be likely to do a better job?
The major bookmakers have suspended betting on Bruce according to the Meaning Evil.
emile Heskey seen in B6?
I think we just have to hope, however mundane it is, Bruce can get us up.
I see Peter Withe is recommending Brian Little until the end of the season.
I for one am happy with Steve Bruce he's got a good track record with getting teams promoted which is what we want. All the comments against him are largely based on the fact he's managed them. I for one do not care I just want the best man for the job and it isn't Clarke
I was surprised when we appointed paul lambert, but he was our manager so , supported , I did. Remi Gard same again, I was one of many who wanted David Moyes as manager but Remi was the man, according to the powers that be.
its looking like Steve Bruce and I will support Villa just as much, because I'm a fan. there are some that cant wait for it to go wrong and they too are Villa fans?
Maybe this time we remember who we support and that apparently we all want the same thing,
A successful Villa.
but he isn't as he (BFS) may well be bannedFor what?
I think my main opposition to Bruce is that, honestly, I don't think any of us would be welljel if any of the other teams in this division appointed him, would we?Who though?
With the possible exception of Juventus, we are the biggest (and richest) club to ever play in a second tier anywhere. We should be able to appoint someone that scares the fuck out of the rest of the league. Not somebody who's a bit meh and can't even persuade a majority of our fans that he's an exciting idea.
I think my main opposition to Bruce is that, honestly, I don't think any of us would be welljel if any of the other teams in this division appointed him, would we?Who though?
With the possible exception of Juventus, we are the biggest (and richest) club to ever play in a second tier anywhere. We should be able to appoint someone that scares the fuck out of the rest of the league. Not somebody who's a bit meh and can't even persuade a majority of our fans that he's an exciting idea.
We're 19th in the Championship, we can't afford to be picky and it's not the time to take a risk.
Can we not have a "neither of the above, show some imagination you tedious bastards" option?
I don't want to endorse either of them. This is like Trump vs Trump.
I think my main opposition to Bruce is that, honestly, I don't think any of us would be welljel if any of the other teams in this division appointed him, would we?Who though?
With the possible exception of Juventus, we are the biggest (and richest) club to ever play in a second tier anywhere. We should be able to appoint someone that scares the fuck out of the rest of the league. Not somebody who's a bit meh and can't even persuade a majority of our fans that he's an exciting idea.
We're 19th in the Championship, we can't afford to be picky and it's not the time to take a risk.
if he finds a way to not play Westwood or puts another two midfielders with him at least until Jan as RDM did not sort that problem and bought Adomah instead . and keeps Black away from this club and then he will have me on his side 100 % to start with .This would be a definite improvement. You only need to look at the 2 games before Preston. Against Newcastle Westwood started, we were overrun and hanging on. He was replaced by Tsishbola mid second half and we took over with Newcastle desperately hanging on. Against. Barnsley he didn't start and we should have been further ahead but we were winning. He comes on for last 15 - cue panic and late equaliser.
No westwood in a two midfield please . or even better no westwood please Brucie .
Brendan Rodgers has the easiest gig in football though. They'll win the league at a canter, get a few points in the Champions League and he'll have rebuilt his reputation.
but he isn't as he (BFS) may well be bannedFor what?
He committed no offence .
It's reality check time, isn't it? We're not the club many of us think we are. A lot of that arrogance about our pedigree, history and stature in the game has got to go, I'm afraid. None of that gets results.
The only way we're going to get out of this league is by grafting as hard, if not harder than we've ever grafted before, and developing a collective set of balls. We're now down in the shit with pigs, and this time we're going to have to get dirty.
Most of our expectations of promotion are based on this fallacy that we're big and rich enough to somehow have a right to it. We don't. We were in such a mess when we entered this division there was no way it was ever going to be turned around in one season. If we finish this season a solid mid-table outfit, then that'll be something we haven't been in five years in any division. It will be progress.
There's no ignominy in getting someone like Bruce. At the moment we're as soft as a kitten, and everybody knows it. Clubs can't wait to play us. They all know they can come out of it with something in the bank. We have to accept what we've become, knuckle down and scrap our way back. Play ugly. Sometimes that requires an ugly, unglamorous manager. Hence, Steve Bruce.
Accept it, give it time, and we'll have a much better chance of rebuilding and succeeding. Thinking we're somehow too good for all this because we once won a cup in a competition format that doesn't even exist any more will get us nowhere.
but he isn't as he (BFS) may well be bannedFor what?
He committed no offence .
I wanted Fat Sam this time last year and I'd take him again now - think he'd be ideal for our current predicament. But the reality is we couldn't appoint him until the police and the FA finish their enquiries as there is a real possibility he could get a ban for bringing the game into disrepute - which I think is very likely seeing as he was the England manager rather than 'just' a club manager
But, Jimbo, why can Boro get Karanka, Bournemouth get Howe, god damn Wolves get Walter Zenga, and everyone else can restructure their clubs and make something of themselves in the Championship, but we have to do the whole back-to-basics thing again? It was being too basic that got us in this mess - I don't know why it's what we think will get us out of it.
The team enjoyed pretty much unwavering support in the first few games of the season and were still shite.
If having a loud, vocal support made any difference then Arsenal would be in the Conference and Barcelona would be in Catalan League 5.
Hardly any of our appointments have been "gambles". We've nearly always gone with people who have experience of the division we happen to be in.
We are in a far better position than the other teams you mentioned Clampster, as we have a better squad and loads of money.
We should be looking to appoint somebody that will have the rest of the league moaning about how unfair it is that we can appoint him. There won't be a single fan of any team in this division worrying about the prospect of us appointing Steve Bruce. Well, except Villa fans.
Hardly any of our appointments have been "gambles". We've nearly always gone with people who have experience of the division we happen to be in.
We are in a far better position than the other teams you mentioned Clampster, as we have a better squad and loads of money.
We should be looking to appoint somebody that will have the rest of the league moaning about how unfair it is that we can appoint him. There won't be a single fan of any team in this division worrying about the prospect of us appointing Steve Bruce. Well, except Villa fans.
Garde was a gamble and Sherwood hadn't been in management long before we got him in.
Like Jimbo said, a reality check is needed.
Hardly any of our appointments have been "gambles". We've nearly always gone with people who have experience of the division we happen to be in.
We are in a far better position than the other teams you mentioned Clampster, as we have a better squad and loads of money.
We should be looking to appoint somebody that will have the rest of the league moaning about how unfair it is that we can appoint him. There won't be a single fan of any team in this division worrying about the prospect of us appointing Steve Bruce. Well, except Villa fans.
Garde was a gamble and Sherwood hadn't been in management long before we got him in.
Like Jimbo said, a reality check is needed.
Sherwood was quite clearly a mental appointment. There is a World of difference between limiting ourselves to boring appointments and going for someone with about five months' managerial experience.
Getting a top boss from abroad, with a proven record of winning, would be far less of a gamble than Steve Bruce who has been sacked forty-six times.
I think the doom-mongers need a "reality check".
Feel free to list all the other teams in our league who can match our spending.
We should be looking to appoint the very best available, not going for a so-so manager that would be considered underwhelming by fans of dross like Sheffield Wednesday if they appointed him.
It's not really any different to you saying that people who disagree with you need a "reality check". In fact, it was quite clearly a direct response to that patronising line.
I can see why other clubs perceive us as deluded and arrogant at times. We've just been effectively told that the Bristol City and Huddersfield managers don't want to swap their current positions for 'big spending' Aston Villa. Jesus we need to wake up to the fact that we're just not very good or stable at the minute. Bruce is the steady type we need at the minute not Venglos type gambles.
It's not really any different to you saying that people who disagree with you need a "reality check". In fact, it was quite clearly a direct response to that patronising line.
I meant a reality check for the club as a whole. I didn't lower myself to calling other fans 'doom-mongers'.
It's not really any different to you saying that people who disagree with you need a "reality check". In fact, it was quite clearly a direct response to that patronising line.
I meant a reality check for the club as a whole. I didn't lower myself to calling other fans 'doom-mongers'.
Alright then, fair enough. It came across differently in my head!
I still don't think we need a "reality check" though. We should be aiming for the very best available. To me, that's not Steve Bruce (let alone Steve fucking Clarke).
Who do you suggest out of interest?
As for who. Dunno. There is a whole World out there, and we are one of the biggest and richest clubs in it. Dr Xia should be going all out to convince the right candidate that our current position is an aberration, and that he will provide the funding for us to compete at the highest level
Bielsa, Mancini, the Villa-supporting Italian bloke everyone was touting last time, Girard. If we have to go closer to home (I don't see why we do, but still), then Brendan Rodgers would be a good shout.
It's all about right man, right time though isn't it? We tried Garde at the wrong time and that was an unmitigated disaster. Maybe Bielsa and those those types are for another day. But right now, hard nosed, gritty, fighting spirit is what we need. That at least is more or less guaranteed under Bruce.
Who do you suggest out of interest?
From a few pages back...QuoteAs for who. Dunno. There is a whole World out there, and we are one of the biggest and richest clubs in it. Dr Xia should be going all out to convince the right candidate that our current position is an aberration, and that he will provide the funding for us to compete at the highest level
Bielsa, Mancini, the Villa-supporting Italian bloke everyone was touting last time, Girard. If we have to go closer to home (I don't see why we do, but still), then Brendan Rodgers would be a good shout.
I can see why other clubs perceive us as deluded and arrogant at times. We've just been effectively told that the Bristol City and Huddersfield managers don't want to swap their current positions for 'big spending' Aston Villa. Jesus we need to wake up to the fact that we're just not very good or stable at the minute. Bruce is the steady type we need at the minute not Venglos type gambles.Absolutely agree with this.
It's all about right man, right time though isn't it? We tried Garde at the wrong time and that was an unmitigated disaster. Maybe Bielsa and those those types are for another day. But right now, hard nosed, gritty, fighting spirit is what we need. That at least is more or less guaranteed under Bruce.
Do Karanka, Howe and whoever it was that got Watford promoted fit that stereotype?
We should just appoint the best man available. We already tried to "gritty, fighting spirit" under Tactics Tim.
I dont think its deluded or arrogant to think a club of our stature can attract a manager who can win and play football that is entertaining.We couldnt attract one when we were a prem team.
It's all about right man, right time though isn't it? We tried Garde at the wrong time and that was an unmitigated disaster. Maybe Bielsa and those those types are for another day. But right now, hard nosed, gritty, fighting spirit is what we need. That at least is more or less guaranteed under Bruce.
Do Karanka, Howe and whoever it was that got Watford promoted fit that stereotype?
We should just appoint the best man available. We already tried to "gritty, fighting spirit" under Tactics Tim.
Much smaller clubs, much lower expectations, means managers are under the radar in terms of pressure, they are normally given time to build. That doesn't happen here any more unfortunately largely due to the media pantomime we seem to have become.
I dont think its deluded or arrogant to think a club of our stature can attract a manager who can win and play football that is entertaining.We couldnt attract one when we were a prem team.
It's all about right man, right time though isn't it? We tried Garde at the wrong time and that was an unmitigated disaster. Maybe Bielsa and those those types are for another day. But right now, hard nosed, gritty, fighting spirit is what we need. That at least is more or less guaranteed under Bruce.
Do Karanka, Howe and whoever it was that got Watford promoted fit that stereotype?
We should just appoint the best man available. We already tried to "gritty, fighting spirit" under Tactics Tim.
Much smaller clubs, much lower expectations, means managers are under the radar in terms of pressure, they are normally given time to build. That doesn't happen here any more unfortunately largely due to the media pantomime we seem to have become.
Nor should managers be given time to build if they're shite. We aren't a Conference team planning on working our way up over the next decade.
"We are not talking about a mere business.
This is the Aston Villa Football Club, and it deserves nothing but the best".
Well, maybe. But you can at least have some cohesive long-term plan. Appoint a guy who plays a certain way then, if and when he leaves, appoint someone of the same ilk.
There is no joined-up thinking that can lead to the conclusion that spending a fortune on flair players, then appointing a "lump it to the big bloke" merchant like Steve Bruce, is the way to go.
Well, maybe. But you can at least have some cohesive long-term plan. Appoint a guy who plays a certain way then, if and when he leaves, appoint someone of the same ilk.
There is no joined-up thinking that can lead to the conclusion that spending a fortune on flair players, then appointing a "lump it to the big bloke" merchant like Steve Bruce, is the way to go.
Yes, but that long term plan is only going to work if he's winning games. Di Matteo may well have been along term plan but look how long he's lasted?
Well, maybe. But you can at least have some cohesive long-term plan. Appoint a guy who plays a certain way then, if and when he leaves, appoint someone of the same ilk.
There is no joined-up thinking that can lead to the conclusion that spending a fortune on flair players, then appointing a "lump it to the big bloke" merchant like Steve Bruce, is the way to go.
Yes, but that long term plan is only going to work if he's winning games. Di Matteo may well have been along term plan but look how long he's lasted?
Well, maybe. But you can at least have some cohesive long-term plan. Appoint a guy who plays a certain way then, if and when he leaves, appoint someone of the same ilk.
There is no joined-up thinking that can lead to the conclusion that spending a fortune on flair players, then appointing a "lump it to the big bloke" merchant like Steve Bruce, is the way to go.
Yes, but that long term plan is only going to work if he's winning games. Di Matteo may well have been along term plan but look how long he's lasted?
Having a long-term plan and having a manager good enough to win more than once in his first three months aren't mutually exclusive positions.
I want a manager who gets off to a great start, and is still manager in three years. That shouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility.
Well, maybe. But you can at least have some cohesive long-term plan. Appoint a guy who plays a certain way then, if and when he leaves, appoint someone of the same ilk.
There is no joined-up thinking that can lead to the conclusion that spending a fortune on flair players, then appointing a "lump it to the big bloke" merchant like Steve Bruce, is the way to go.
Yes, but that long term plan is only going to work if he's winning games. Di Matteo may well have been along term plan but look how long he's lasted?
Having a long-term plan and having a manager good enough to win more than once in his first three months aren't mutually exclusive positions.
I want a manager who gets off to a great start, and is still manager in three years. That shouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility.
Wasn't Bruce the manager of the Hull team who had Hernandez upfront. You know the forward we were going to buy and seemed to do ok with him as his manager.
We need to get promoted, whether that be by playing boring football or not to me it doesn't matter as his record shows he can get teams up.
We haven't exactly played much eye catching football the last 6 years, I'd say give or take a couple of months under Lambert and a couple under Sherwood our football style has been eye bleeding and up there as as bad as anything in the leagues.
Pat Murphy reporting that Bruce has had 3 chats with Wyness. No formal interview yet and Clarke shouldn't be ruled out.
I would be livid if Clarke gets the job. Would be the type of thing I would expect from Lerner.Pat Murphy reporting that Bruce has had 3 chats with Wyness. No formal interview yet and Clarke shouldn't be ruled out.
Christ how uninspiring.
I would be livid if Clarke gets the job. Would be the type of thing I would expect from Lerner.Pat Murphy reporting that Bruce has had 3 chats with Wyness. No formal interview yet and Clarke shouldn't be ruled out.
Christ how uninspiring.
I would be livid if Clarke gets the job. Would be the type of thing I would expect from Lerner.Pat Murphy reporting that Bruce has had 3 chats with Wyness. No formal interview yet and Clarke shouldn't be ruled out.
Christ how uninspiring.
The thing is I'd be as pissed off if we gave it to Bruce as well. What a thoroughly depressing era it is to be a Villa fan.
Odds on Sean Dyche have come in from 25-1 to 8-1 - if only.
Odds on Sean Dyche have come in from 25-1 to 8-1 - if only.
If you want to pick up wins, appointing a top manager is much more likely to provide them than a middling bloke who has been sacked twenty times.
Tell me again, which top managers are currently jostling in the queue waiting to be our manager?
Tell me again, which top managers are currently jostling in the queue waiting to be our manager?
Managers don't queue and they don't tend to actually apply for jobs either.
Go and approach some top managers and see what happens.
In the worst case scenario, I doubt Barcelona will have swooped in to appoint Steve Bruce from under our noses if we delay appointing him by a day or two.
Just read a newspaper article which puported to show the salaries of premiership managers...Sean Dyche was on 420k for scale Alardyce when at Sunderland and Pulis were meant to be on 3m Klop on £7m
We all know football finances are totally bonkers so surely offering Dyche a Million ackers to join us and a treble youf money deal if you get us up isnt financially too crazy !!!
At the end of the day the 580k extra in context was probably a month and a half salary for the great NZogbia and 580k wouldnt buy a mediocre left back from the 2nd Division these days.
If he got us up £3m would be a drop in the ocean compared to the re established riches of the Premier League and to regain our place at the top table of English Football.
That said...id like to think not everyone in football has suck weak morals and money isnt thd be all and end all !!!
It surprises me how many times some people have to be hit in the face with a custard pie to realise they're in a slapstick movie. How many games have we actually won in the last few seasons? How many away games? Where did we finish last season? How many points did we get? How pathetic were we? Where are we now? Who have we beaten? What level of character and fight are we showing? When are we ever going to turn it around?
This is wartime, folks, and we need a wartime leader. In other words, the best that we can get given our current situation. The fact is a lot of the good managers out there don't need us, and all the crap that surrounds us. Managers walk in sharp, smart and vital, and walk out looking like they've been on Devil's Island for 20 years. Does Sean Dyche need that? Bielsa? Wagner?
This really isn't talking the club down, it's objectively taking stock of where we are and how we can stop the rot. There's nothing stable about being 19th in the Championship after 11 games. We may not be losing every week, but this is a league in which you have to pick up wins. Make no bones, there's only one trend at Villa and it's on a downward slope.
Maybe Dyche is happy where he is? Maybe he doesn't want to join a club that gets through managers like most people go through tubes of toothpaste? Maybe all this has come at a bad time?
I'd like to see him interviewed, but maybe he's excited by what he's building at Burnley and wants to see if he's got what it takes to survive in the Premier League?
If we're in a war, why are we hiring a general who refuses to use the latest technology?
If we're in a war, why are we hiring a general who refuses to use the latest technology?
Eh?
If we're in a war, why are we hiring a general who refuses to use the latest technology?
Whilst he wouldn't be the most thrilling of appointments at least Bruce always had Hull City well organised which is more than can be said for any of our recent managers. I like him, don't give a toss who he once managed 9 years ago, he'll stop the rot.
Whilst he wouldn't be the most thrilling of appointments at least Bruce always had Hull City well organised which is more than can be said for any of our recent managers. I like him, don't give a toss who he once managed 9 years ago, he'll stop the rot.
Whilst he wouldn't be the most thrilling of appointments at least Bruce always had Hull City well organised which is more than can be said for any of our recent managers. I like him, don't give a toss who he once managed 9 years ago, he'll stop the rot.
jesus, we want Bruce because he can organise the team? That's a basic qualification by anyone's standards.
jesus, we want Bruce because he can organise the team? That's a basic qualification by anyone's standards.
jesus, we want Bruce because he can organise the team? That's a basic qualification by anyone's standards.
Well yes. If a team is organised, it normally gets results. Four promotions proves he can organise a team.
jesus, we want Bruce because he can organise the team? That's a basic qualification by anyone's standards.
Well yes. If a team is organised, it normally gets results. Four promotions proves he can organise a team.
What do the two relegations and the dismal failure at a number of other clubs prove?
jesus, we want Bruce because he can organise the team? That's a basic qualification by anyone's standards.
Well yes. If a team is organised, it normally gets results. Four promotions proves he can organise a team.
jesus, we want Bruce because he can organise the team? That's a basic qualification by anyone's standards.
Well yes. If a team is organised, it normally gets results. Four promotions proves he can organise a team.
What do the two relegations and the dismal failure at a number of other clubs prove?
jesus, we want Bruce because he can organise the team? That's a basic qualification by anyone's standards.
Well yes. If a team is organised, it normally gets results. Four promotions proves he can organise a team.
Weren't you a big RDM advocate?
What do the two relegations and the dismal failure at a number of other clubs prove?
jesus, we want Bruce because he can organise the team? That's a basic qualification by anyone's standards.
Well yes. If a team is organised, it normally gets results. Four promotions proves he can organise a team.
What do the two relegations and the dismal failure at a number of other clubs prove?
That not all managers have success everywhere? Ranieri has been sacked more times than most but he didn't do too bad last season.
jesus, we want Bruce because he can organise the team? That's a basic qualification by anyone's standards.
Well yes. If a team is organised, it normally gets results. Four promotions proves he can organise a team.
What do the two relegations and the dismal failure at a number of other clubs prove?
jesus, we want Bruce because he can organise the team? That's a basic qualification by anyone's standards.
Well yes. If a team is organised, it normally gets results. Four promotions proves he can organise a team.
Weren't you a big RDM advocate?
What do the two relegations and the dismal failure at a number of other clubs prove?
jesus, we want Bruce because he can organise the team? That's a basic qualification by anyone's standards.
Well yes. If a team is organised, it normally gets results. Four promotions proves he can organise a team.
What do the two relegations and the dismal failure at a number of other clubs prove?
That not all managers have success everywhere? Ranieri has been sacked more times than most but he didn't do too bad last season.
You can make anyone look good if you choose to ignore the bits that don't suit your argument.
Every manager is a risk. We could be getting the Bruce that got Hull/Blose promoted, we could be getting the guy who got them relegated or the guy who did fuck all at Palace/Sheffield United and stunk the place out at Sunderland (the only time he has been vaguely close to managing a Villa-sized club).One of the fluffiest posts I have ever read.
Bearing in mind that any manager is a gamble, we may as well get one who plays decent stuff and will make going to Villa Park a pleasure rather than a chore.
There is no point in spending fifty million on attacking flair players (mostly) then appointing a route one merchant.
As for who. Dunno. There is a whole World out there, and we are one of the biggest and richest clubs in it. Dr Xia should be going all out to convince the right candidate that our current position is an aberration, and that he will provide the funding for us to compete at the highest level.
Bielsa, Mancini, the Villa-supporting Italian bloke everyone was touting last time, Girard. If we have to go closer to home (I don't see why we do, but still), then Brendan Rodgers would be a good shout.
.jesus, we want Bruce because he can organise the team? That's a basic qualification by anyone's standards.
Well yes. If a team is organised, it normally gets results. Four promotions proves he can organise a team.
What do the two relegations and the dismal failure at a number of other clubs prove?
That not all managers have success everywhere? Ranieri has been sacked more times than most but he didn't do too bad last season.
You can make anyone look good if you choose to ignore the bits that don't suit your argument.
Aren't you doing the same thing by ignoring 4 promotions?
Absolutely disgusted in this decision, words fail me, Dr X has made two choices of manager and fucked both up in my eyes. Oh Steve Bruce has won promotions but with teams hes relegated!!! Hes shite we could do much better. Absolutely boiling mad at this. >:(
Every manager is a risk. We could be getting the Bruce that got Hull/Blose promoted, we could be getting the guy who got them relegated or the guy who did fuck all at Palace/Sheffield United and stunk the place out at Sunderland (the only time he has been vaguely close to managing a Villa-sized club).One of the fluffiest posts I have ever read.
Bearing in mind that any manager is a gamble, we may as well get one who plays decent stuff and will make going to Villa Park a pleasure rather than a chore.
There is no point in spending fifty million on attacking flair players (mostly) then appointing a route one merchant.
As for who. Dunno. There is a whole World out there, and we are one of the biggest and richest clubs in it. Dr Xia should be going all out to convince the right candidate that our current position is an aberration, and that he will provide the funding for us to compete at the highest level.
Bielsa, Mancini, the Villa-supporting Italian bloke everyone was touting last time, Girard. If we have to go closer to home (I don't see why we do, but still), then Brendan Rodgers would be a good shout.
Bruce has one of the best Championship records around, and he knows the Midlands, that puts him way ahead of Mancini, Bielsa and Girard. Yes every managerial appointment carries risk – but you can mitigate that risk. Bruce and BFS are the lowest risk appointments.
The problem is not one of Xia’s backing, but how the money is spent.
Rodgers would be a dreadful appointment. A disaster in the transfer market he has no experience of assembling a team successfully and is currently managing in the wilderness.
Absolutely disgusted in this decision, words fail me, Dr X has made two choices of manager and fucked both up in my eyes. Oh Steve Bruce has won promotions but with teams hes relegated!!! Hes shite we could do much better. Absolutely boiling mad at this. >:(
What decision are you boiling mad at?
Every manager is a risk. We could be getting the Bruce that got Hull/Blose promoted, we could be getting the guy who got them relegated or the guy who did fuck all at Palace/Sheffield United and stunk the place out at Sunderland (the only time he has been vaguely close to managing a Villa-sized club).One of the fluffiest posts I have ever read.
Bearing in mind that any manager is a gamble, we may as well get one who plays decent stuff and will make going to Villa Park a pleasure rather than a chore.
There is no point in spending fifty million on attacking flair players (mostly) then appointing a route one merchant.
As for who. Dunno. There is a whole World out there, and we are one of the biggest and richest clubs in it. Dr Xia should be going all out to convince the right candidate that our current position is an aberration, and that he will provide the funding for us to compete at the highest level.
Bielsa, Mancini, the Villa-supporting Italian bloke everyone was touting last time, Girard. If we have to go closer to home (I don't see why we do, but still), then Brendan Rodgers would be a good shout.
Bruce has one of the best Championship records around, and he knows the Midlands, that puts him way ahead of Mancini, Bielsa and Girard. Yes every managerial appointment carries risk – but you can mitigate that risk. Bruce and BFS are the lowest risk appointments.
The problem is not one of Xia’s backing, but how the money is spent.
Rodgers would be a dreadful appointment. A disaster in the transfer market he has no experience of assembling a team successfully and is currently managing in the wilderness.
If it's okay with you, I think saying that Steve Bruce would be a better manager for us than Roberto Mancini, Marcelo Bielsa and Rene Girard because he knows his way around spaghetti junction is one of the silliest things I've ever read.
.jesus, we want Bruce because he can organise the team? That's a basic qualification by anyone's standards.
Well yes. If a team is organised, it normally gets results. Four promotions proves he can organise a team.
What do the two relegations and the dismal failure at a number of other clubs prove?
That not all managers have success everywhere? Ranieri has been sacked more times than most but he didn't do too bad last season.
You can make anyone look good if you choose to ignore the bits that don't suit your argument.
Aren't you doing the same thing by ignoring 4 promotions?
I didn't ignore them, I just didn't see the point in mentioning them again when I was quoting your post which mentioned them.
The promotions are ups, the relegations and sackings are downs, he's an up and down sort of manager.
Nothing special.
We're a special club and should be after the best we can get.
Let's face it, whoever Dr Tony puts is, it'll piss somebody off!
Let's face it, whoever Dr Tony puts is, it'll piss somebody off!
I'm hearing Bruce is a done deal.
It may be bullshit but the ITK seems to have reliable source.
Let's face it, whoever Dr Tony puts is, it'll piss somebody off!
I'm hearing Bruce is a done deal.
It may be bullshit but the ITK seems to have reliable source.
Perhaps they'll keep Clarke around for when Bruce leaves us for England?
Um...
Back to misnomer's or whatever they are called.
Yes Hull had the joint 2nd best defensive record in the Championship last season with the fourth best scoring record - so it isn't that bad really is it.
Back to misnomer's or whatever they are called.
Yes Hull had the joint 2nd best defensive record in the Championship last season with the fourth best scoring record - so it isn't that bad really is it.
Now the only caveat to that was that it was the club he managed for a while so there was built in stability that he wouldn't get at a new place immediately. But for me right now, all I care about is winning games and climbing the table. I want to have a legitimate chance of being promoted this season. I'll worry about next season, next season. And if we are stabilized in the PL and Bruce has taken us so far we do what Southampton did, fire Adkins and get in Pochettino. Where they had time to truly identify his successor.
I am perfectly fine with Bruce.
Can't be any worse than Remi and RDMs combined three wins.
Perhaps we're not as big as we think we are?I am perfectly fine with Bruce.
Can't be any worse than Remi and RDMs combined three wins.
Well no, he probably won't be.
But we need to set the bar a bit higher than that.
Back to misnomer's or whatever they are called.
Yes Hull had the joint 2nd best defensive record in the Championship last season with the fourth best scoring record - so it isn't that bad really is it.
Now the only caveat to that was that it was the club he managed for a while so there was built in stability that he wouldn't get at a new place immediately. But for me right now, all I care about is winning games and climbing the table. I want to have a legitimate chance of being promoted this season. I'll worry about next season, next season. And if we are stabilized in the PL and Bruce has taken us so far we do what Southampton did, fire Adkins and get in Pochettino. Where they had time to truly identify his successor.
The difference is that Adkins helped build that identity - he just couldn't take it to the levels that Pochettino did.
Murphy is saying Clarke is not getting any blame for the poor start from the club.
I really despair of Villa fans at times. We are a potentially big club, and I mean potentially. Because what has happened over the last six years is anything but the actions of a big club. We have tried young and hungry, we have tried foreign, we have tried novices. We are sitting at the arse end of the Championship more likely to go down as get into the playoffs even at this early stage. Whilst all manager appointments are a gamble we need someone who at least we know has a semblance of knowing what they are doing in this division, if nothing else to create some stability upon which to build. We do need to stop this 'we're a big club, let's just go and get x, y and z manager from Bristol, Huddersfield or whoever. We simply are not the attraction we once were - and I say that with a heavy heart. We could be again. But, look at the facts, these teams, these fcukin teams have overtaken us in this terrible period.
Wet Spam, Stoke, Bournemouth, Swansea, Everton, Southampton, Middlesbrough, Smethwick, Burnley - yes Burnley. Sorry I forgot Steve Bruce's Hull.
The hardest bit is accepting that you have a problem, then once you have, you can get help with it.
I am perfectly fine with Bruce.
Can't be any worse than Remi and RDMs combined three wins.
Well no, he probably won't be.
But we need to set the bar a bit higher than that.
I am perfectly fine with Bruce.
Can't be any worse than Remi and RDMs combined three wins.
Well no, he probably won't be.
But we need to set the bar a bit higher than that.
Reality check.
I really despair of Villa fans at times. We are a potentially big club, and I mean potentially. Because what has happened over the last six years is anything but the actions of a big club. We have tried young and hungry, we have tried foreign, we have tried novices. We are sitting at the arse end of the Championship more likely to go down as get into the playoffs even at this early stage. Whilst all manager appointments are a gamble we need someone who at least we know has a semblance of knowing what they are doing in this division, if nothing else to create some stability upon which to build. We do need to stop this 'we're a big club, let's just go and get x, y and z manager from Bristol, Huddersfield or whoever. We simply are not the attraction we once were - and I say that with a heavy heart. We could be again. But, look at the facts, these teams, these fcukin teams have overtaken us in this terrible period.
Wet Spam, Stoke, Bournemouth, Swansea, Everton, Southampton, Middlesbrough, Smethwick, Burnley - yes Burnley. Sorry I forgot Steve Bruce's Hull.
The hardest bit is accepting that you have a problem, then once you have, you can get help with it.
I agree, we need to stop the rot and start to move in the right direction. SB has the experience we need at the present time. As stated before it will probably be his biggest club he has managed so far, he may rise to the challenge.
I am perfectly fine with Bruce.
Can't be any worse than Remi and RDMs combined three wins.
Well no, he probably won't be.
But we need to set the bar a bit higher than that.
Reality check.
Glad you're not Chairman if you main criteria is getting more than three wins.
Reality check.
With respect, I hope that Bruce's successor - especially if we're in the premier league - is the massivest change possible in terms of 'overall philosophy'.
I am perfectly fine with Bruce.
Can't be any worse than Remi and RDMs combined three wins.
Well no, he probably won't be.
But we need to set the bar a bit higher than that.
Reality check.
Glad you're not Chairman if you main criteria is getting more than three wins.
Reality check.
We're at the point where our last five managers have been catastrophic failures and you think we should be punching above our weight and appointed world class management. Lambert, Sherwood, Remi, RDM.. and you think we're above Bruce? Get real.
What a joke.
he can organise a team !
people said that about Mcliesh who was far more successful than Bruce has or will ever be
That ended well
this appointment is worse than that one, and people are actually making a case for it actually making a case for Steve Bruce,
I know we joke about new lows but this is definitely it
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.Couldn't agree more Chris...repeatedly this season people around me have been baffled by RDM's selections and even more baffled once we start playing...Kodjia playing wide, wide-man Adomah playing wing back, Westwood still the "lynch pin" in midfield, Ayew and McCormack playing too deep, defence like a sieve, midfield weak or non-existent!
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
That's where I am Chris and you've just put it a lot better than I could. If we get back up and the structure behind the scenes is what we all hope it will be, then there's no reason we can't start planning for life beyond Bruce with more time to do it. But right now he's hardly a manager that should be derided as if he was some sort of complete failure. Because he hasn't been, especially at the level we find ourselves in.
I am perfectly fine with Bruce.
Can't be any worse than Remi and RDMs combined three wins.
Well no, he probably won't be.
But we need to set the bar a bit higher than that.
Reality check.
Glad you're not Chairman if you main criteria is getting more than three wins.
Reality check.
We're at the point where our last five managers have been catastrophic failures and you think we should be punching above our weight and appointing world class management. Lambert, Sherwood, Remi, RDM.. and you think we're above Bruce? Get real.
What a joke.
The only message we're sending out at the moment is: we're Aston Villa, we have occasional delusions of grandeur, we're soft as shite, we can't win a game and we're rolling down the leagues like a cannon ball on a heater skelter.Couldn't put it any better myself.
By the way, I'm not saying Steve Bruce is the answer. I'm saying we have to cut our cloth accordingly. If Bielsa wants to come, then let's have him. But I'm doubting our power to attract that sort of manager right now. Needs must, and all that. And I'm not going to throw a tantrum if we get a tried and tested alternative, preferably on a short contract. Two years would make sense.
My concern is that we will not have the chance to fundamentally rebuild the team in the PL. The playing style we go up with can be tweaked but not massively overhauled. You are then reliant on hanging on in the PL for a couple of seasons and slowly change. Anybody that thinks we can go up without a fundamental structure we can develop in the PL is sailing on hopefully.
The opportunity to rebuild this club from top to bottom on the playing side is now.
The reason it shouldn't be Bruce is because we are already discussing getting his successor in once he has taken us up. Rebuild the playing side from top to bottom now even if it means another season in division 2. Bruce is just more of the same. He has never put anything in place at any of his clubs which has been long term. His sides always get worse the longer he is there. A short term fix is not what we need!!!!I'm more concerned that we won't get another season in Division 2 We need to stop the rot and worry about the future later. Bruce is the man to do that.
Beggars can't be choosers and God knows we're beggars. If you can't prize away, flavour of the month managers from over achieving Championship clubs, you're not going to land anyone from a higher echelon. Bruce is available and the best of a shit bunch. That's the current reality.
The reason it shouldn't be Bruce is because we are already discussing getting his successor in once he has taken us up. Rebuild the playing side from top to bottom now even if it means another season in division 2. Bruce is just more of the same. He has never put anything in place at any of his clubs which has been long term. His sides always get worse the longer he is there. A short term fix is not what we need!!!!I'm more concerned that we won't get another season in Division 2 We need to stop the rot and worry about the future later. Bruce is the man to do that.
I do think we're missing some football people at the club or dare i say it Doug. In the old days, he'd have got wind of someone who perhaps was looking to move on from his club given the right project. The current bunch seem to have just looked at who's available in the job centre
West Ham appointed Allardyce in the Championship. He got them back up via the Play offs stabilised them and then he was moved on and they appointed a forward thinking manager albeit they've hit a rough patch at the moThe reason it shouldn't be Bruce is because we are already discussing getting his successor in once he has taken us up. Rebuild the playing side from top to bottom now even if it means another season in division 2. Bruce is just more of the same. He has never put anything in place at any of his clubs which has been long term. His sides always get worse the longer he is there. A short term fix is not what we need!!!!I'm more concerned that we won't get another season in Division 2 We need to stop the rot and worry about the future later. Bruce is the man to do that.
I'd rather worry about the future now and plan for it at the same time as stopping the rot rather than becoming like boing boing baggies
West Ham appointed Allardyce in the Championship. He got them back up via the Play offs stabilised them and then he was moved on and they appointed a forward thinking manager albeit they've hit a rough patch at the moThe reason it shouldn't be Bruce is because we are already discussing getting his successor in once he has taken us up. Rebuild the playing side from top to bottom now even if it means another season in division 2. Bruce is just more of the same. He has never put anything in place at any of his clubs which has been long term. His sides always get worse the longer he is there. A short term fix is not what we need!!!!I'm more concerned that we won't get another season in Division 2 We need to stop the rot and worry about the future later. Bruce is the man to do that.
I'd rather worry about the future now and plan for it at the same time as stopping the rot rather than becoming like boing boing baggies
It doesn't always have to be negative
West Ham appointed Allardyce in the Championship. He got them back up via the Play offs stabilised them and then he was moved on and they appointed a forward thinking manager albeit they've hit a rough patch at the moThe reason it shouldn't be Bruce is because we are already discussing getting his successor in once he has taken us up. Rebuild the playing side from top to bottom now even if it means another season in division 2. Bruce is just more of the same. He has never put anything in place at any of his clubs which has been long term. His sides always get worse the longer he is there. A short term fix is not what we need!!!!I'm more concerned that we won't get another season in Division 2 We need to stop the rot and worry about the future later. Bruce is the man to do that.
I'd rather worry about the future now and plan for it at the same time as stopping the rot rather than becoming like boing boing baggies
It doesn't always have to be negative
true but we are discussing bruce not allardyce
How sad that's it looks as though we have settled for Bruce... I am depressed😡
Bruce will be spot on, just what we need right now.
My concern is that we will not have the chance to fundamentally rebuild the team in the PL. The playing style we go up with can be tweaked but not massively overhauled. You are then reliant on hanging on in the PL for a couple of seasons and slowly change. Anybody that thinks we can go up without a fundamental structure we can develop in the PL is sailing on hopefully.
The opportunity to rebuild this club from top to bottom on the playing side is now.
Get it wrong and we're in League One, hoping that Neil Warnock might be convinced to take the step down. So I wholeheartedly disagree.
We went a long way towards trying what you suggest in the summer, but after being heavily backed in the market, the Italian Sherwood didn't even know his best team.
The structure at all other levels of the club can still be rebuilt regardless of Steve Bruce being the current face in the manager's dug-out. It doesn't have to be one or t'other. If the Dr is serious, if everything else is in place for a top quality manager/head coach to take it on further when we return to the top flight, we might be a more attractive proposition then.
At the moment we are firefighting. The fixtures and fittings and landscape gardening can come later.
Plenty around here were adamant that they'd sooner be relegated than have Big Fat Sam take over last year.
Mission accomplished. How's that working out?
We get Allardyce last year and there is a better than average chance that we stay up, he still gets the England job and we're looking at managers like Matterazi, or Mancini or some of the other fancied names here.
We go for Garde, who after about a month, gave the impression of a man who knew he was out of his depth. He might have be fine at Southampton or Swansea- clubs with a sound ethos and structure already in place, where he could essentially be a head coach and not worry about anything else. But he wasn't what we needed at the time. Yes he was bent over in January, but he had offered little up to that point to suggest we could get out of trouble.
No more punts. We need competency at the level we find ourselves. Bruce is better than competent. His Championship win record is very good, and four promotions -two of them recent aren't accidental.
Curious to see what a Steve Bruce team will look like. I imagine a central midfielder along the lines of Huddlestone or Livermore will be his first aim (not those players, but someone with physical presence who can sit in a midfield two. We've probably only got Tshibola presently). And I reckon it would involve width and a target man
Gollini
Bacuna Chester baker amavi
Westwood (to be replaced) Tshibola
Adomah ayew (McCormack replacement) grealish
Gestede (kodjia replacement)
??
Curious to see what a Steve Bruce team will look like. I imagine a central midfielder along the lines of Huddlestone or Livermore will be his first aim (not those players, but someone with physical presence who can sit in a midfield two. We've probably only got Tshibola presently). And I reckon it would involve width and a target man
Gollini
Bacuna Chester baker amavi
Westwood (to be replaced) Tshibola
Adomah ayew (McCormack replacement) grealish
Gestede (kodjia replacement)
??
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
Nigel Pearson is now available.
***runs off***
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?
Shit negative football is what Bruce excels in as well. Surely we haven't all forgotten his tiresome style of football in the years since he left the Sty?
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?
Shit negative football is what Bruce excels in as well. Surely we haven't all forgotten his tiresome style of football in the years since he left the Sty?
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?
I don't expect champagne football, but Hull ended last season as 4th highest scorers and GD of +34. It wasn't like they drew their way to promotion with a bunch of fist pumping 0-0's
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?
I don't expect champagne football, but Hull ended last season as 4th highest scorers and GD of +34. It wasn't like they drew their way to promotion with a bunch of fist pumping 0-0's
I'l be reminding you and your campaign for Bruce mates in about six months time when we are no further forward and having to pay another twat off for not knowing what's he's doing
il be asking where are all these goals you speak of, where is this guaranteed promotion and the rock solid defence, great organisation whilst the whole thing falls down around our heads and we go again looking for the next pair of dullard safe hands
Anyone wanting Bruce at Villa should hand their heads in shame
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?
Shit negative football is what Bruce excels in as well. Surely we haven't all forgotten his tiresome style of football in the years since he left the Sty?
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?
I don't expect champagne football, but Hull ended last season as 4th highest scorers and GD of +34. It wasn't like they drew their way to promotion with a bunch of fist pumping 0-0's
I'l be reminding you and your campaign for Bruce mates in about six months time when we are no further forward and having to pay another twat off for not knowing what's he's doing
il be asking where are all these goals you speak of, where is this guaranteed promotion and the rock solid defence, great organisation whilst the whole thing falls down around our heads and we go again looking for the next pair of dullard safe hands
Anyone wanting Bruce at Villa should hand their heads in shame
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?
Shit negative football is what Bruce excels in as well. Surely we haven't all forgotten his tiresome style of football in the years since he left the Sty?
whilst we on the other hand have for the past 6 seasons been the reincarnation of brazil in 1970
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.
My concern is that we will not have the chance to fundamentally rebuild the team in the PL. The playing style we go up with can be tweaked but not massively overhauled. You are then reliant on hanging on in the PL for a couple of seasons and slowly change. Anybody that thinks we can go up without a fundamental structure we can develop in the PL is sailing on hopefully.Totally argeee with this. Bruce is a patch up manager who will get us back and then down again in double quick time. It's a shame we couldn't persuade Wagner.
The opportunity to rebuild this club from top to bottom on the playing side is now. Decide how you want to go forward and get the manager that suits the system. Swansea did it with some success but hit the glass ceiling for them due to not having the finances to go to the next level.
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.
Reality check needed - who are these top managers just waiting to move to B6 and where are they hiding? You suggested Mancini and Beisla - we have no chance of attracting these I'm afraid.
I'm no Bruce lover by the way but I'm having to accept he's the best option available. I'd quite like Burnley or Huddersfield's manager personally but realise we can't even attract those in our current predicament. Depressing, but true.
And you keep saying we're the biggest / richest club to ever be relegated. No wonder our fans get accused of arrogance. I think Man U for starters may pip us to that title.
there's a lot on here saying they don't want Bruce then going on to make the strongest case they can for him,Please enlighten us with a selection of better options given the current state of play on and off the field.
probably so when it all goes wrong they can say yeah but I never wanted him, hypocrites is what you are
I can't stand him or his style of football, I think he's a overblown vastly overrated (on here) boring shit for tactics arsehole
I think that now and i'l still think that when he walks through the door
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.
Manchester United were in this division in the 1974/75 season CD, a bit richer than us even then, unless of course you are talking about this division since Sky invented football.
You are of course correct when you say we are Aston Villa and our sights should be somewhat more elevated than Steve Bruce. Sadly, it looks as though our powers of persuasion is not going to be put to the test.
I don't particularly want Bruce but, Chris makes a valid point. I just want someone who can take a set of players, recognise what their best positions are and play them there.
I like Bruce - there I have said it.
I like Bruce - there I have said it.I do too and I think he likes us. He has always been very respectful.
Well if you want stability you don't sack a manager after 2 months. Likewise,stability doesn't spring to mind if you're appointing a manager who will get us up, but is deemed too shit to manage us when we get there
Well if you want stability you don't sack a manager after 2 months. Likewise,stability doesn't spring to mind if you're appointing a manager who will get us up, but is deemed too shit to manage us when we get there
You do when you're skittering down the table like a one-legged goat down a mountain. How many more warnings do we need? How many wake up calls? We're plunging ever downwards and we have to stop it. That's the here and now. Worry about what happens in the Premier League if we ever get back there.
Bruce would obviously not be the worst manager in the history of the world, but I'm with OMVF. This is an opportunity to rebuild the club, give it something of a more progressive platform like Swansea or Southampton, put aside the short-term lurching that's got us into this mess - and I'm not totally convinced that Bruce will do anything better than keep the club bobbing along, either in the top half of this division or (absolute best case scenario) the bottom half of the division above.
Bruce would obviously not be the worst manager in the history of the world, but I'm with OMVF. This is an opportunity to rebuild the club, give it something of a more progressive platform like Swansea or Southampton, put aside the short-term lurching that's got us into this mess - and I'm not totally convinced that Bruce will do anything better than keep the club bobbing along, either in the top half of this division or (absolute best case scenario) the bottom half of the division above.
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.
Reality check needed - who are these top managers just waiting to move to B6 and where are they hiding? You suggested Mancini and Beisla - we have no chance of attracting these I'm afraid.
I'm no Bruce lover by the way but I'm having to accept he's the best option available. I'd quite like Burnley or Huddersfield's manager personally but realise we can't even attract those in our current predicament. Depressing, but true.
And you keep saying we're the biggest / richest club to ever be relegated. No wonder our fans get accused of arrogance. I think Man U for starters may pip us to that title.
how do you know that is true?
Hang on, the main Bruce arguement is he WILL get us up this season.
Derby will probably be looking at Bruce also.
I expect he will be appointed in the next couple of days
Hang on, the main Bruce arguement is he WILL get us up this season.
This is what I don't get.
A quarter of the season has gone. We are 19th, two points off the relegation places.
I don't see - on the basis of the above - how anyone can say "he will get us up" with certainty. We've pissed away a quarter of the season already. Kind of foolhardy to make statements of that certainty, surely?
Well if you want stability you don't sack a manager after 2 months. Likewise,stability doesn't spring to mind if you're appointing a manager who will get us up, but is deemed too shit to manage us when we get there
You do when you're skittering down the table like a one-legged goat down a mountain. How many more warnings do we need? How many wake up calls? We're plunging ever downwards and we have to stop it. That's the here and now. Worry about what happens in the Premier League if we ever get back there.
Hang on, the main Bruce arguement is he WILL get us up this season. Who wants Bruce for any other reason? If someone on here had said, they can see Mr. Pototo head leading us to the top 6 in the next 5 years, then i'd buy into it, but no-one thinks he will. Its the most short-sighted desperation shot even we've attempted if he is appointed
Bruce is a "current, proper football manager". We haven't had one of those since BFR.
Bruce is a "current, proper football manager". We haven't had one of those since BFR.
Pretty much everyone we've appointed has been a "current, proper manager".
Only Houllier was out of employment for a serious amount of time prior to his appointment, IIRC.
Well if you want stability you don't sack a manager after 2 months. Likewise,stability doesn't spring to mind if you're appointing a manager who will get us up, but is deemed too shit to manage us when we get there
You do when you're skittering down the table like a one-legged goat down a mountain. How many more warnings do we need? How many wake up calls? We're plunging ever downwards and we have to stop it. That's the here and now. Worry about what happens in the Premier League if we ever get back there.
Hang on, the main Bruce arguement is he WILL get us up this season. Who wants Bruce for any other reason? If someone on here had said, they can see Mr. Pototo head leading us to the top 6 in the next 5 years, then i'd buy into it, but no-one thinks he will. Its the most short-sighted desperation shot even we've attempted if he is appointed
Not from me it isn't. I said before the end of last season that this one would be a struggle. I don't think for a minute we will go up this season, with or without Steve Bruce. I think there's a much greater likelihood that we'll go down. And look where we are. We're 19th and we're getting worse. If you don't win at least the odd game in this division, you slip out of it. The alarm bell is ringing loud and clear.
And let me make it clear, I'm not saying Steve Bruce is our only option. I won't be overjoyed to have him as our manager. I just don't think we can afford to be so precious, because nice grounds, illustrious histories and puffed up pedigrees do not win football matches. Forget all that. Right now, as things stand, we are not too good for Steve Bruce.
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.
Reality check needed - who are these top managers just waiting to move to B6 and where are they hiding? You suggested Mancini and Beisla - we have no chance of attracting these I'm afraid.
I'm no Bruce lover by the way but I'm having to accept he's the best option available. I'd quite like Burnley or Huddersfield's manager personally but realise we can't even attract those in our current predicament. Depressing, but true.
And you keep saying we're the biggest / richest club to ever be relegated. No wonder our fans get accused of arrogance. I think Man U for starters may pip us to that title.
how do you know that is true?
I don't, obviously. I'm going off what I hear in the media, the same as everyone else on here discussing this topic is.
Bruce would obviously not be the worst manager in the history of the world, but I'm with OMVF. This is an opportunity to rebuild the club, give it something of a more progressive platform like Swansea or Southampton, put aside the short-term lurching that's got us into this mess - and I'm not totally convinced that Bruce will do anything better than keep the club bobbing along, either in the top half of this division or (absolute best case scenario) the bottom half of the division above.
I like Bruce - there I have said it.
you are entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong :-)
[/quothhe is being brought in to prevent demotion, if he's brought in. Top half of division in may will be a bonus.
I don't want Bruce at Villa John. But given the immediate options I'm not going to hang my head in shame at all for considering him as a viable candidate.
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.
We are Aston Villa, the club other clubs can't wait to play because they know they'll get something out of it. We are Aston Villa, the club that’s sitting 19th in the Championship. The club that can't buy a win. The club that hasn't won away in over a year. The club that's won four matches in the time it took Barcelona to win four cups. The club that's closed part of its ground because it can't fill it. The club that's the butt of every joke in English football. The club that's synonymous with failure. The club that desperately needs stability before it can hope to become anywhere near great again. That's the club we are after 10 years of Randy Lerner. It won't change overnight.
I don't want Bruce at Villa John. But given the immediate options I'm not going to hang my head in shame at all for considering him as a viable candidate.
That's fair enough. I think it's just an indictment of the state of the club and the 6 year decline that we're even talking about employing someone as drab as Bruce. I just hate what we've been turned into, and if he joins and gets us up then great, but at the moment the thought of him being our manager just saddens me.
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?
I don't expect champagne football, but Hull ended last season as 4th highest scorers and GD of +34. It wasn't like they drew their way to promotion with a bunch of fist pumping 0-0's
I'l be reminding you and your campaign for Bruce mates in about six months time when we are no further forward and having to pay another twat off for not knowing what's he's doing
il be asking where are all these goals you speak of, where is this guaranteed promotion and the rock solid defence, great organisation whilst the whole thing falls down around our heads and we go again looking for the next pair of dullard safe hands
Anyone wanting Bruce at Villa should hand their heads in shame
Hang their heads in shame? For thinking Bruce might do an ok job? What over the top bollocks.
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.
We are Aston Villa, the club other clubs can't wait to play because they know they'll get something out of it. We are Aston Villa, the club that’s sitting 19th in the Championship. The club that can't buy a win. The club that hasn't won away in over a year. The club that's won four matches in the time it took Barcelona to win four cups. The club that's closed part of its ground because it can't fill it. The club that's the butt of every joke in English football. The club that's synonymous with failure. The club that desperately needs stability before it can hope to become anywhere near great again. That's the club we are after 10 years of Randy Lerner. It won't change overnight.
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?
I don't expect champagne football, but Hull ended last season as 4th highest scorers and GD of +34. It wasn't like they drew their way to promotion with a bunch of fist pumping 0-0's
I'l be reminding you and your campaign for Bruce mates in about six months time when we are no further forward and having to pay another twat off for not knowing what's he's doing
il be asking where are all these goals you speak of, where is this guaranteed promotion and the rock solid defence, great organisation whilst the whole thing falls down around our heads and we go again looking for the next pair of dullard safe hands
Anyone wanting Bruce at Villa should hand their heads in shame
Hang their heads in shame? For thinking Bruce might do an ok job? What over the top bollocks.
I accept that Bruce is a possible method to getting out of this, but it's galling that other (smaller) clubs can do it by getting Karanka etc, and we have to do all this again.
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?
I don't expect champagne football, but Hull ended last season as 4th highest scorers and GD of +34. It wasn't like they drew their way to promotion with a bunch of fist pumping 0-0's
I'l be reminding you and your campaign for Bruce mates in about six months time when we are no further forward and having to pay another twat off for not knowing what's he's doing
il be asking where are all these goals you speak of, where is this guaranteed promotion and the rock solid defence, great organisation whilst the whole thing falls down around our heads and we go again looking for the next pair of dullard safe hands
Anyone wanting Bruce at Villa should hand their heads in shame
Hang their heads in shame? For thinking Bruce might do an ok job? What over the top bollocks.
and the the voice of reason wants Bruce, ok but i'l stick to over the top bollocks thanks
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.
We are Aston Villa, the club other clubs can't wait to play because they know they'll get something out of it. We are Aston Villa, the club that’s sitting 19th in the Championship. The club that can't buy a win. The club that hasn't won away in over a year. The club that's won four matches in the time it took Barcelona to win four cups. The club that's closed part of its ground because it can't fill it. The club that's the butt of every joke in English football. The club that's synonymous with failure. The club that desperately needs stability before it can hope to become anywhere near great again. That's the club we are after 10 years of Randy Lerner. It won't change overnight.
Agreed.
But why is appointing a so-so manager more likely to change that than appointing a spectacular one?
And to add, I couldn't care less about his past. And if we do start winning it will go a long way to debunk the nonsense surrounding TSM1. We didn't care that he had managed them. It was that it was the never ending drippings of shit negative football that was the issue.
And you think Bruce will bring winning attractive football ?
Shit negative football is what Bruce excels in as well. Surely we haven't all forgotten his tiresome style of football in the years since he left the Sty?
whilst we on the other hand have for the past 6 seasons been the reincarnation of brazil in 1970
I'm not sure why people keep feeling the need to remind us of our failings.
We are all well aware that we've been garbage for half a decade.
The debate is on who we appoint to change that.
If a club that had won four games in however many matches, last away win over a year ago, spent tens of millions and have a win against Rotherham and are in 19th place in the second division to show for it, appointed somebody who got Hull City promoted twice and to an FA Cup final (HULL CITY!) whilst having to deal with all sorts of shit from the owners was any club other than Villa there would be people on here saying what a good appointment he was.
We're 19th, we absolutely stank the Premier League out for years before finally being put out of ours and everybody else's misery, there aren't a lot of managers out there who we could choose from. It's 35 years since we were European champions. I made the point aboutHul being 'organised' as to my eyes recent Villa managers have found something so basic beyond their capabilities.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa. We are the biggest and richest club to ever (dis)grace this division and should have all kinds of options before appointing someone that, judging by this thread, at least half the fans consider tediously uninspiring.
Reality check needed - who are these top managers just waiting to move to B6 and where are they hiding? You suggested Mancini and Beisla - we have no chance of attracting these I'm afraid.
I'm no Bruce lover by the way but I'm having to accept he's the best option available. I'd quite like Burnley or Huddersfield's manager personally but realise we can't even attract those in our current predicament. Depressing, but true.
And you keep saying we're the biggest / richest club to ever be relegated. No wonder our fans get accused of arrogance. I think Man U for starters may pip us to that title.
how do you know that is true?
I don't, obviously. I'm going off what I hear in the media, the same as everyone else on here discussing this topic is.
heard nothing from Dyche or anyone else from Burnley as far as I know. We dont even know if he is in the running. As for Huddersfield, their chairman has said that Wagner wont be joining us. May or may not be true but he wouldn't be the first chairman to come out with statements like that and then be proved wrong
Jimbo, you're buying into the idea that appointing that guy would be less likely to win games than appointing some plodding jobber, and I just don't understand it.
If your argument is simply that Bruce is the best we can hope for then it's not necessarily something I agree with, but I'd understand it. Your current position, however, is strange.
That's the thing John. Not one person is advocating Bruce and making a strong case for him. If it was Bruce vs a plethora of other attractive candidates in October you'll find most people choosing one of them. But there just isn't and you're being really quite melodramatic in your opposition to him. In fact not one person is advocating him to the same levels as you are opposing him.
John E I've always thought your posts have been informed and thoughtful, but with this and your reaction to Dr Tony's takeover you seem to be going ultra against the new ownership. I understand not being thrilled by Bruce, I just don't understand being militantly against him.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
there's a lot on here saying they don't want Bruce then going on to make the strongest case they can for him,
probably so when it all goes wrong they can say yeah but I never wanted him, hypocrites is what you are
I can't stand him or his style of football, I think he's a overblown vastly overrated (on here) boring shit for tactics arsehole
I think that now and i'l still think that when he walks through the door
We are on the back of being one of the worst prem sides ever, we have had years of instability from the top to the bottom. Been a complete mess on and off the pitch. Had managers come and go with no proven experience to even manage a club of our size. Lambert, garde, Sherwood, RDM simply should never have beeen given a shot in the first place.
We now need a track record, someone who can actually lead and give us organisation. Yes he's not the most glamorous or exciting choices, just think we all need a reality check. I honestly think that given where we are then Bruce is a top candidate for us.
We are on the back of being one of the worst prem sides ever, we have had years of instability from the top to the bottom. Been a complete mess on and off the pitch. Had managers come and go with no proven experience to even manage a club of our size. Lambert, garde, Sherwood, RDM simply should never have beeen given a shot in the first place.
We now need a track record, someone who can actually lead and give us organisation. Yes he's not the most glamorous or exciting choices, just think we all need a reality check. I honestly think that given where we are then Bruce is a top candidate for us.
A track record for what? Pissing off when he see's a better gig? If he had say a Moyes background, year afer year of sticking with it, then maybe, but he either moves or gets sacked.
A track record for what? Pissing off when he see's a better gig? If he had say a Moyes background, year afer year of sticking with it, then maybe, but he either moves or gets sacked.
A track record for what? Pissing off when he see's a better gig? If he had say a Moyes background, year afer year of sticking with it, then maybe, but he either moves or gets sacked.
That applies to 99% of managers.
there's a lot on here saying they don't want Bruce then going on to make the strongest case they can for him,
probably so when it all goes wrong they can say yeah but I never wanted him, hypocrites is what you are
I can't stand him or his style of football, I think he's a overblown vastly overrated (on here) boring shit for tactics arsehole
I think that now and i'l still think that when he walks through the door
I'm just hanging my head in shame that I'm prepared to give the bloke a chance before he's even started. What sort of Villa supporter am I etc...
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
No, we're definitely Aston Villa.
Seriously though, who is this mystery manager that can turn our clusterfuck into something resembling a decent football team that plays attractive football and guaranteed promotion?
there's a lot on here saying they don't want Bruce then going on to make the strongest case they can for him,
probably so when it all goes wrong they can say yeah but I never wanted him, hypocrites is what you are
I can't stand him or his style of football, I think he's a overblown vastly overrated (on here) boring shit for tactics arsehole
I think that now and i'l still think that when he walks through the door
We are on the back of being one of the worst prem sides ever, we have had years of instability from the top to the bottom. Been a complete mess on and off the pitch. Had managers come and go with no proven experience to even manage a club of our size. Lambert, garde, Sherwood, RDM simply should never have beeen given a shot in the first place.
We now need a track record, someone who can actually lead and give us organisation. Yes he's not the most glamorous or exciting choices, just think we all need a reality check. I honestly think that given where we are then Bruce is a top candidate for us.
A track record for what? Pissing off when he see's a better gig? If he had say a Moyes background, year afer year of sticking with it, then maybe, but he either moves or gets sacked.
Yep thats how I feel two, watch the clown bring Savage in as his number two
Yep thats how I feel two, watch the clown bring Savage in as his number two
Yeah that's bound to happen, he'll give Paul Tait a coaching role and insist Trevor Francis replaces Brian Little.
Yep thats how I feel two, watch the clown bring Savage in as his number two
Yeah that's bound to happen, he'll give Paul Tait a coaching role and insist Trevor Francis replaces Brian Little.
And Steve Hodge as Club Ambassador.
Yep thats how I feel two, watch the clown bring Savage in as his number two
Yeah that's bound to happen, he'll give Paul Tait a coaching role and insist Trevor Francis replaces Brian Little.
And Steve Hodge as Club Ambassador.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
No, we're definitely Aston Villa.
Seriously though, who is this mystery manager that can turn our clusterfuck into something resembling a decent football team that plays attractive football and guaranteed promotion?
Indeed I'm not sure how we're supposed to attract this amazing manager in our current position.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
No, we're definitely Aston Villa.
Seriously though, who is this mystery manager that can turn our clusterfuck into something resembling a decent football team that plays attractive football and guaranteed promotion?
Indeed I'm not sure how we're supposed to attract this amazing manager in our current position.
tell me chaps, how did Huddersfield town appoint there manager who now sees them sitting at the opposite end of the table to us
do you think they had more options than we do, how did Burnley appoint Dyce, how did Southampton appoint Pot, how did Bournmouth end up with Howe, fuck me even the neighbours in there sorry and dismal plight managed to come up trumps,
I don't know the answers to all the above questions but I do know they didn't go for a pair of the dullest safe hands of the most gettable journey man in the business
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
No, we're definitely Aston Villa.
Seriously though, who is this mystery manager that can turn our clusterfuck into something resembling a decent football team that plays attractive football and guaranteed promotion?
Indeed I'm not sure how we're supposed to attract this amazing manager in our current position.
tell me chaps, how did Huddersfield town appoint there manager who now sees them sitting at the opposite end of the table to us
do you think they had more options than we do, how did Burnley appoint Dyce, how did Southampton appoint Pot, how did Bournmouth end up with Howe, fuck me even the neighbours in there sorry and dismal plight managed to come up trumps,
I don't know the answers to all the above questions but I do know they didn't go for a pair of the dullest safe hands of the most gettable journey man in the business
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
No, we're definitely Aston Villa.
Seriously though, who is this mystery manager that can turn our clusterfuck into something resembling a decent football team that plays attractive football and guaranteed promotion?
Indeed I'm not sure how we're supposed to attract this amazing manager in our current position.
tell me chaps, how did Huddersfield town appoint there manager who now sees them sitting at the opposite end of the table to us
do you think they had more options than we do, how did Burnley appoint Dyce, how did Southampton appoint Pot, how did Bournmouth end up with Howe, fuck me even the neighbours in there sorry and dismal plight managed to come up trumps,
I don't know the answers to all the above questions but I do know they didn't go for a pair of the dullest safe hands of the most gettable journey man in the business
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
No, we're definitely Aston Villa.
Seriously though, who is this mystery manager that can turn our clusterfuck into something resembling a decent football team that plays attractive football and guaranteed promotion?
Indeed I'm not sure how we're supposed to attract this amazing manager in our current position.
tell me chaps, how did Huddersfield town appoint there manager who now sees them sitting at the opposite end of the table to us
do you think they had more options than we do, how did Burnley appoint Dyce, how did Southampton appoint Pot, how did Bournmouth end up with Howe, fuck me even the neighbours in there sorry and dismal plight managed to come up trumps,
I don't know the answers to all the above questions but I do know they didn't go for a pair of the dullest safe hands of the most gettable journey man in the business
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
No, we're definitely Aston Villa.
Seriously though, who is this mystery manager that can turn our clusterfuck into something resembling a decent football team that plays attractive football and guaranteed promotion?
Indeed I'm not sure how we're supposed to attract this amazing manager in our current position.
tell me chaps, how did Huddersfield town appoint there manager who now sees them sitting at the opposite end of the table to us
do you think they had more options than we do, how did Burnley appoint Dyce, how did Southampton appoint Pot, how did Bournmouth end up with Howe, fuck me even the neighbours in there sorry and dismal plight managed to come up trumps,
I don't know the answers to all the above questions but I do know they didn't go for a pair of the dullest safe hands of the most gettable journey man in the business
The expectation at these clubs isn't as great as at ours, so they can afford to take this sort of risk.
If we appoint a Wagner or a Dyche and it doesn't work we get 'Should have gone for Pullis' etc. It's a no win situation.
I can only imagine the uproar if we appoint a manager from the back of beyond.
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We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
No, we're definitely Aston Villa.
Seriously though, who is this mystery manager that can turn our clusterfuck into something resembling a decent football team that plays attractive football and guaranteed promotion?
Indeed I'm not sure how we're supposed to attract this amazing manager in our current position.
tell me chaps, how did Huddersfield town appoint there manager who now sees them sitting at the opposite end of the table to us
do you think they had more options than we do, how did Burnley appoint Dyce, how did Southampton appoint Pot, how did Bournmouth end up with Howe, fuck me even the neighbours in there sorry and dismal plight managed to come up trumps,
I don't know the answers to all the above questions but I do know they didn't go for a pair of the dullest safe hands of the most gettable journey man in the business
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
No, we're definitely Aston Villa.
Seriously though, who is this mystery manager that can turn our clusterfuck into something resembling a decent football team that plays attractive football and guaranteed promotion?
Indeed I'm not sure how we're supposed to attract this amazing manager in our current position.
tell me chaps, how did Huddersfield town appoint there manager who now sees them sitting at the opposite end of the table to us
do you think they had more options than we do, how did Burnley appoint Dyce, how did Southampton appoint Pot, how did Bournmouth end up with Howe, fuck me even the neighbours in there sorry and dismal plight managed to come up trumps,
I don't know the answers to all the above questions but I do know they didn't go for a pair of the dullest safe hands of the most gettable journey man in the business
Well said.
At the risk of stating the bleedin obvious, the pool of available managers leaves a lot to be desired.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
No, we're definitely Aston Villa.
Seriously though, who is this mystery manager that can turn our clusterfuck into something resembling a decent football team that plays attractive football and guaranteed promotion?
Indeed I'm not sure how we're supposed to attract this amazing manager in our current position.
tell me chaps, how did Huddersfield town appoint there manager who now sees them sitting at the opposite end of the table to us
do you think they had more options than we do, how did Burnley appoint Dyce, how did Southampton appoint Pot, how did Bournmouth end up with Howe, fuck me even the neighbours in there sorry and dismal plight managed to come up trumps,
I don't know the answers to all the above questions but I do know they didn't go for a pair of the dullest safe hands of the most gettable journey man in the business
I get your point John E, but it's always easier to be easier to be wise with hindsight.
Huddersfield picked up Wagner after a stint as Dortmunds reserve coach. Burnley took Dyche after he had been given to elbow by Watford. Rowett had done great work at Burton Albion, but with all respect to them, would we go knocking on their door now for Nigel Clough? If we'd made those appointments rather than Sherwood or RDM there would have been plenty on here moaning that we were aiming too low.
Lambert was well regarded as some kind of a footballing brainiac after his schooling in Germany. For all we know, even if we could prise Wagner away, we'd turn him into Lambert mkII.
I'm not enamoured by either option of Bruce or Clarke, and would much prefer we looked to bring in someone without the same baggage, and with fresh ideas, as to who that should be I haven't a clue.
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
No, we're definitely Aston Villa.
Seriously though, who is this mystery manager that can turn our clusterfuck into something resembling a decent football team that plays attractive football and guaranteed promotion?
Indeed I'm not sure how we're supposed to attract this amazing manager in our current position.
tell me chaps, how did Huddersfield town appoint there manager who now sees them sitting at the opposite end of the table to us
do you think they had more options than we do, how did Burnley appoint Dyce, how did Southampton appoint Pot, how did Bournmouth end up with Howe, fuck me even the neighbours in there sorry and dismal plight managed to come up trumps,
I don't know the answers to all the above questions but I do know they didn't go for a pair of the dullest safe hands of the most gettable journey man in the business
Just to clarify, Bruce doesn't excite me but in the circumstances he's probably the best that is available. I can only remember us getting two managers I'd never heard of previously (Venglos and Garde) and they were both a disaster but I do wonder why the likes of Southampton, Boro, Swansea, Watford, Huddersfield etc are capable of finding good managers who aren't obvious and we struggle.
Just to clarify, Bruce doesn't excite me but in the circumstances he's probably the best that is available. I can only remember us getting two managers I'd never heard of previously (Venglos and Garde) and they were both a disaster but I do wonder why the likes of Southampton, Boro, Swansea, Watford, Huddersfield etc are capable of finding good managers who aren't obvious and we struggle.
I know, for some reason we are cursed we keep putting everthing on red and the bastard ball just carries on dropping in black, then we go black and red it comes up 0
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
No, we're definitely Aston Villa.
Seriously though, who is this mystery manager that can turn our clusterfuck into something resembling a decent football team that plays attractive football and guaranteed promotion?
Indeed I'm not sure how we're supposed to attract this amazing manager in our current position.
tell me chaps, how did Huddersfield town appoint there manager who now sees them sitting at the opposite end of the table to us
do you think they had more options than we do, how did Burnley appoint Dyce, how did Southampton appoint Pot, how did Bournmouth end up with Howe, fuck me even the neighbours in there sorry and dismal plight managed to come up trumps,
I don't know the answers to all the above questions but I do know they didn't go for a pair of the dullest safe hands of the most gettable journey man in the business
I've just got round to replying to this as i was hanging my head in shame. Out of interest (and i asked this earlier to someone) who is your choice?
Just to clarify, Bruce doesn't excite me but in the circumstances he's probably the best that is available. I can only remember us getting two managers I'd never heard of previously (Venglos and Garde) and they were both a disaster but I do wonder why the likes of Southampton, Boro, Swansea, Watford, Huddersfield etc are capable of finding good managers who aren't obvious and we struggle.
I know, for some reason we are cursed we keep putting everthing on red and the bastard ball just carries on dropping in black, then we go black and red it comes up 0
It's because they're well run clubs
We aren't "any club other than Aston Villa" though. We are Astom Villa.
No, we're definitely Aston Villa.
Seriously though, who is this mystery manager that can turn our clusterfuck into something resembling a decent football team that plays attractive football and guaranteed promotion?
Indeed I'm not sure how we're supposed to attract this amazing manager in our current position.
tell me chaps, how did Huddersfield town appoint there manager who now sees them sitting at the opposite end of the table to us
do you think they had more options than we do, how did Burnley appoint Dyce, how did Southampton appoint Pot, how did Bournmouth end up with Howe, fuck me even the neighbours in there sorry and dismal plight managed to come up trumps,
I don't know the answers to all the above questions but I do know they didn't go for a pair of the dullest safe hands of the most gettable journey man in the business
Well said.
At the risk of stating the bleedin obvious, the pool of available managers leaves a lot to be desired.
You're making it sound like the club have chosen these 'pool of managers'.
Does Bruce have more promotions than those other managers put together? I guess he must haveYes he does and also he has been relegated from PL more often than any other manager.
I'd bring him in and let him get us promoted. At that point, golden handshake. Cheers. Then upgrade.Does Bruce have more promotions than those other managers put together? I guess he must haveYes he does and also he has been relegated from PL more often than any other manager.
Does Bruce have more promotions than those other managers put together? I guess he must haveYes he does and also he has been relegated from PL more often than any other manager.
I'd bring him in and let him get us promoted. At that point, golden handshake. Cheers. Then upgrade.Does Bruce have more promotions than those other managers put together? I guess he must haveYes he does and also he has been relegated from PL more often than any other manager.
Does Bruce have more promotions than those other managers put together? I guess he must haveYes he does and also he has been relegated from PL more often than any other manager.
Doesn't really matter at the moment though does it? We're not in the PL. His record in the Championship is far more relevant to us.
Fcuk me folks, let's get a bit of perspective here. We need to focus on winning more than we lose before anything else. That in itself is massive progress.
Why would a manager agree to come in on the basis that if he successfully achieves his objective he'll be sacked?
Why would a manager agree to come in on the basis that if he successfully achieves his objective he'll be sacked?
Well I imagine you don't position it like that.
Why would a manager agree to come in on the basis that if he successfully achieves his objective he'll be sacked?
Well I imagine you don't position it like that.
So you'd have to give him a longer contract than you wanted him to have, and then pay him over the odds to leave. Just strikes me as a very odd strategy.
Fcuk me folks, let's get a bit of perspective here. We need to focus on winning more than we lose before anything else. That in itself is massive progress.So the answer is appoint a manager with 36% win ratio?
Why would a manager agree to come in on the basis that if he successfully achieves his objective he'll be sacked?So it's not going to be on that basis I assume? Any manager would sign a normal 3 year deal and we have to be prepared to pay off remaining term if we sack him.
Fcuk me folks, let's get a bit of perspective here. We need to focus on winning more than we lose before anything else. That in itself is massive progress.So the answer is appoint a manager with 36% win ratio?
Fcuk me folks, let's get a bit of perspective here. We need to focus on winning more than we lose before anything else. That in itself is massive progress.
It's different for the manager though. If Bruce gets us up he can easily be replaced and we'll be in a much better position to get someone we all want.
It's different for the manager though. If Bruce gets us up he can easily be replaced and we'll be in a much better position to get someone we all want.
Paul, we need to get back up there first. Just hope Bruce is given some slack when he comes in. He has an almighty job in my eyes in every aspect.
Why would a manager agree to come in on the basis that if he successfully achieves his objective he'll be sacked?
Fcuk me folks, let's get a bit of perspective here. We need to focus on winning more than we lose before anything else. That in itself is massive progress.So the answer is appoint a manager with 36% win ratio?
Fcuk me folks, let's get a bit of perspective here. We need to focus on winning more than we lose before anything else. That in itself is massive progress.So the answer is appoint a manager with 36% win ratio?
Did I say I wanted Bruce?
Edit: Can you tell me our current win rate?
I'm literally sat here drinking Oxford Gold and laughing at the suggestion Brucey agrees to come, get us promoted and then agrees graciously to be sacked.I'm not fretting about whether our next manager will be sacked if we get promoted. I'm more hopeful he can keep us up. The last five years have got me looking down not up. Anyway, the guy that got Southampton up was dumped quickly to public outrage but they have moved onwards and upwards nicely, we could do the same.
Dyche = Exciting. Bruce = Boring.
Last season Burnley scored 72 and conceded 35. Hull scored 69 and conceded 35.
Why would a manager agree to come in on the basis that if he successfully achieves his objective he'll be sacked?
Well I imagine you don't position it like that.
So you'd have to give him a longer contract than you wanted him to have, and then pay him over the odds to leave. Just strikes me as a very odd strategy.
Dyche = Exciting. Bruce = Boring.
Last season Burnley scored 72 and conceded 35. Hull scored 69 and conceded 35.
That must be a lie. Along with the fact that Dyche has never been relegated from the PL either.
I think the idea of us ditching Bruce once/if promotion is achieved because we'd need someone sexier in the Premier League is wishful thinking. Like we all wished Sherwood had gone before last season started, rewarding "success" with sacking is rarely done by anyone.
He would have to go through a turgid spell of us not winning games in the top flight before being shoved.
It's a sorry state of affairs that we've gotten ourselves into for Bruce to be considered to be the best candidate for the job.
I really don't understand that post Rudes.
Well i find it all a bit bizarre taking on a manager who's chief supporters won't mind him getting the boot once we're in the premier. With friends like that,,,,,,,,
I really don't understand that post Rudes.
Well i find it all a bit bizarre taking on a manager who's chief supporters won't mind him getting the boot once we're in the premier. With friends like that,,,,,,,,
Well i find it all a bit bizarre taking on a manager who's chief supporters won't mind him getting the boot once we're in the premier. With friends like that,,,,,,,,
First, I don't think he has any chief supporters. Just those who consider him the best option of those we might realistically be able to get in the space of a week. Second, if he is appointed I don't want him fired. Because hopefully he's doing a superb job. However, what I think will happen is that we will get promoted and Bruce will take us to a certain level and it will plateau. Then if Xia still has ambition he'll remove Bruce appoint someone to take us forward.
Steve Bruce edging towards Aston Villa manager's job
John Percy
8 October 2016 • 10:30pm
Steve Bruce is inching closer towards the Aston Villa job and will be formally interviewed in the next 48 hours.
Bruce has been identified as Villa's leading target and is set to have talks with the club's board in the coming days, ahead of a possible appointment before the weekend. The 55-year-old is available after leaving Hull City on the eve of the season and has already had preliminary talks with Villa's technical director Steve Round and chief executive Keith Wyness.
Villa are thought to have discussed potential backroom staff - with Middlesbrough's Steve Agnew likely to be a Bruce target - and the budget for the January transfer window.
And Bruce will now be interviewed for the post after Villa whittled down their shortlist to two, with caretaker manager Steve Clarke the other contender.
Dr Tony Xia, the Villa owner, will make the final decison but it seems increasingly likely that Bruce will end his exile by joining the Championship club. A former player and manager for Villa's deadly enemies Birmingham, Bruce could prove a contentious appointment wth some supporters but it is nine years since he left St. Andrew's and his record of four promotions has ensured he is the stand-out candidate.
Villa had also considered Burnley's Sean Dyche and Huddersfield Town's David Wagner but Bruce was always considered a top target, after the dismissal of Roberto Di Matteo. Round, who was appointed last month, is also revamping the club's scouting department and is keen to appoint a new head of recruitment.
Many of Villa's previous scouting staff - who worked under the maligned Paddy Riley - have left the club but Round has been charged with improving the infrastructure behind the scenes.
Villa return to action this weekend with a home game against Wolverhampton Wanderers desperate for lift-off, after just one win all season.
Well i find it all a bit bizarre taking on a manager who's chief supporters won't mind him getting the boot once we're in the premier. With friends like that,,,,,,,,
First, I don't think he has any chief supporters. Just those who consider him the best option of those we might realistically be able to get in the space of a week. Second, if he is appointed I don't want him fired. Because hopefully he's doing a superb job. However, what I think will happen is that we will get promoted and Bruce will take us to a certain level and it will plateau. Then if Xia still has ambition he'll remove Bruce appoint someone to take us forward.
The people who have the biggest problem with Bruce were the ones who thought Garde being a leftfield foreign coach was the answer, before him they were all salivating about getting Ole Gunnar Solskjær..
if we go with Bruce (as I expect us to now) You can be fairly sure that Gestede will play with one of RM, Kodjia or Ayew off him and we'll have lots of balls towards his head. It can be effective for a short period at this level but, and this is important, the teams who've been promoted using those tactics have pretty much all gone back done within 2 years.If any manager comes in and decides to use those tactics then staying in the PL will be the least of our problems because we simply wont be getting promoted in the first place. Gestede is absolutely shite and should only be used as an impact sub in desperate situations.
I wonder how good Bruce will be for Jack's development. Does anyone know if there's any similar situation in Bruce's career? Talented, mercurial, slightly off-the-rails young playmaker type who Bruce has helped bring through in some way?
The people who have the biggest problem with Bruce were the ones who thought Garde being a leftfield foreign coach was the answer, before him they were all salivating about getting Ole Gunnar Solskjær..
and your point is?
I'll freely admit from everything I've seen Bruce is a 'tactics on a fag packet' epitome of old-fashioned British management. If he comes in he'll expect to be the boss and everything will be done as it was when he was a player. Some of our players will like it and might play well but he won't help to build a structure for the future and we know he is out of his depth in the premier league. Yes he might get us promotion (but I think some people are over estimating the effect he'll have) in the next 2 years and if he does then great but he's no use to us after that and if he doesn't manage to achieve promotion then we'll have wasted time on starting the long term solution on short term fixes that haven't worked.
If ANYONE thought he was a viable option long term then I'd be less certain in my opposition but even the people saying he's the best choice are talking about how soon we could get rid of him after promotion, that should be ringing alarm bells for a lot more people.
To go back a little to the Dyche and Bruce comparison (with the number of goals) the difference is if we go with Bruce (as I expect us to now) You can be fairly sure that Gestede will play with one of RM, Kodjia or Ayew off him and we'll have lots of balls towards his head. It can be effective for a short period at this level but, and this is important, the teams who've been promoted using those tactics have pretty much all gone back done within 2 years. The teams who've managed to establish themselves in the premier league are the ones that got promoted playing football and carried the confidence of that through with them and just added some extra quality to help with the step up. Now a few teams that play good football and are fairly modern in their appraoch have been relegated anyway because they just haven't been able to do the step to add quality, Burnley are probably the best example of that.
The people who have the biggest problem with Bruce were the ones who thought Garde being a leftfield foreign coach was the answer, before him they were all salivating about getting Ole Gunnar Solskjær..
We've been a mess for years and have sacked our new manager a dozen games in and sitting in 19th
Why on earth anyone thinks we'd have the pick of managers is beyond me. I'd definitely take Dyche or Wagner. Other than that I'd be worried they are criminally insane for coming.
It's similar to people suggesting we should have got Marcus Rashford in on loan over the summer.
The people who have the biggest problem with Bruce were the ones who thought Garde being a leftfield foreign coach was the answer, before him they were all salivating about getting Ole Gunnar Solskjær..
Massively underwhelmed by Bruce.
Massively underwhelmed by Bruce.
I am too but we really no longer have any choice. We need experience and he is a safe bet for at lest getting us moving in the right direction. Who knows what will happen when we do finally get out of the chumps league. Tone is ambitious but he understands there are steps to take such as signing s bunch of good chumps players. How is the Bruce appointment any different?
Massively underwhelmed by Bruce.
I am too but we really no longer have any choice. We need experience and he is a safe bet for at lest getting us moving in the right direction. Who knows what will happen when we do finally get out of the chumps league. Tone is ambitious but he understands there are steps to take such as signing s bunch of good chumps players. How is the Bruce appointment any different?
We've been a mess for years and have sacked our new manager a dozen games in and sitting in 19th
Why on earth anyone thinks we'd have the pick of managers is beyond me. I'd definitely take Dyche or Wagner. Other than that I'd be worried they are criminally insane for coming.
It's similar to people suggesting we should have got Marcus Rashford in on loan over the summer.
This. We are not as galmourous as some would wish right now. A lot of managers will see the instability and what's happened to our managers of recent times (post MON) and probably think we're a poison chalice. I honestly believe that Bruce if appointed would be our best managerial apt for a very long time.
A good measure of where we are at is thoughts of neutral fans. A lot of my mates are Derby and Leicester (living East Midlands now) and they all think Bruce would be a great choice and get us top6 with the squad we have. I am more confident in us getting top 6 than if garde, Sherwood, RDM were knocking around
We've been a mess for years and have sacked our new manager a dozen games in and sitting in 19th
Why on earth anyone thinks we'd have the pick of managers is beyond me. I'd definitely take Dyche or Wagner. Other than that I'd be worried they are criminally insane for coming.
It's similar to people suggesting we should have got Marcus Rashford in on loan over the summer.
This. We are not as galmourous as some would wish right now. A lot of managers will see the instability and what's happened to our managers of recent times (post MON) and probably think we're a poison chalice. I honestly believe that Bruce if appointed would be our best managerial apt for a very long time.
A good measure of where we are at is thoughts of neutral fans. A lot of my mates are Derby and Leicester (living East Midlands now) and they all think Bruce would be a great choice and get us top6 with the squad we have. I am more confident in us getting top 6 than if garde, Sherwood, RDM were knocking around
Agree with both of you...it's time to get real everyone and realise where we are and that this has not happened due to a blip but is a result of decline.
We've been a mess for years and have sacked our new manager a dozen games in and sitting in 19th
Why on earth anyone thinks we'd have the pick of managers is beyond me. I'd definitely take Dyche or Wagner. Other than that I'd be worried they are criminally insane for coming.
It's similar to people suggesting we should have got Marcus Rashford in on loan over the summer.
This. We are not as galmourous as some would wish right now. A lot of managers will see the instability and what's happened to our managers of recent times (post MON) and probably think we're a poison chalice. I honestly believe that Bruce if appointed would be our best managerial apt for a very long time.
A good measure of where we are at is thoughts of neutral fans. A lot of my mates are Derby and Leicester (living East Midlands now) and they all think Bruce would be a great choice and get us top6 with the squad we have. I am more confident in us getting top 6 than if garde, Sherwood, RDM were knocking around
Agree with both of you...it's time to get real everyone and realise where we are and that this has not happened due to a blip but is a result of decline.
fucking rubbish
the only other team in our league that we can compare with is Newcastle and they have Raffa Benitez as their manager we are about to appoint Steve Bruce, don't you see the big difference here
the saddest thing on this site is some people have given up and think Bruce is the best we can get,
we take more fans away than some get at home ffs,
we certainly shouldn't be accepting TSM3 and its a disgrace that we are
While i would prefer Hughton, Dyche, maybe even the gamble on Wagner, I don't get turning our nose up at a guy who in his last 3 seasons in the championship has been promoted each time. It is a level of football snobbery that outweighs logic.
We've been a mess for years and have sacked our new manager a dozen games in and sitting in 19th
Why on earth anyone thinks we'd have the pick of managers is beyond me. I'd definitely take Dyche or Wagner. Other than that I'd be worried they are criminally insane for coming.
It's similar to people suggesting we should have got Marcus Rashford in on loan over the summer.
This. We are not as galmourous as some would wish right now. A lot of managers will see the instability and what's happened to our managers of recent times (post MON) and probably think we're a poison chalice. I honestly believe that Bruce if appointed would be our best managerial apt for a very long time.
A good measure of where we are at is thoughts of neutral fans. A lot of my mates are Derby and Leicester (living East Midlands now) and they all think Bruce would be a great choice and get us top6 with the squad we have. I am more confident in us getting top 6 than if garde, Sherwood, RDM were knocking around
Agree with both of you...it's time to get real everyone and realise where we are and that this has not happened due to a blip but is a result of decline.
fucking rubbish
the only other team in our league that we can compare with is Newcastle and they have Raffa Benitez as their manager we are about to appoint Steve Bruce, don't you see the big difference here
the saddest thing on this site is some people have given up and think Bruce is the best we can get,
we take more fans away than some get at home ffs,
we certainly shouldn't be accepting TSM3 and its a disgrace that we are
We've been a mess for years and have sacked our new manager a dozen games in and sitting in 19th
Why on earth anyone thinks we'd have the pick of managers is beyond me. I'd definitely take Dyche or Wagner. Other than that I'd be worried they are criminally insane for coming.
It's similar to people suggesting we should have got Marcus Rashford in on loan over the summer.
I believe now that apart from a few, truly gifted Managers, the role is akin to a lottery pick. There is evidence to suggest that some managers just 'fit' the club they work at and it turns out well. Bruce would not be my choice but I have long given up the ghost of trying to predict whether it will work out or not, I have been wrong too many times in the last few years.I very much doubt he would leave Southampton
The worse case scenario however is that in choosing his back room staff he goes back to his old mucker Eric Black as assistant- I wonder if the pro Bruceit voters would be quite so keen if that was the case.
We've been a mess for years and have sacked our new manager a dozen games in and sitting in 19th
Why on earth anyone thinks we'd have the pick of managers is beyond me. I'd definitely take Dyche or Wagner. Other than that I'd be worried they are criminally insane for coming.
It's similar to people suggesting we should have got Marcus Rashford in on loan over the summer.
this
In an ideal world we would not be looking at Bruce but we are about as far from an ideal world as it is possible to be. In which case a man with a track record of getting teams out of this division has to be considered a decent option. I just hope that the conversations he is having with the club are with half an eye on the longer term and how they expect the club to progress. Having Steve Round in place should mitigate against any tendency towards short term thinking.
We've been a mess for years and have sacked our new manager a dozen games in and sitting in 19th
Why on earth anyone thinks we'd have the pick of managers is beyond me. I'd definitely take Dyche or Wagner. Other than that I'd be worried they are criminally insane for coming.
It's similar to people suggesting we should have got Marcus Rashford in on loan over the summer.
this
That.
Unbelievably dull and unambitious as it sounds, we need a safe pair of hands with low risk attached and Bruce would fit that mould.
Unbelievably dull and unambitious as it sounds, we need a safe pair of hands with low risk attached and Bruce would fit that mould.
fuck me, if he's got a safe pair of hands we've solved our goalkeeping question as well, what an inspired appointment.
seriously I'm one Villa fan that thinks its a great appointment
I think some of our problems have been down to our skewed view of ourselves, our stature and our place in the game. Many of us see Villa as a big club with a glorious history, a peerless pedigree, a club with a special aura surrounding it. Fair enough.
But for many years a lot of the football world saw us as boring, unsexy draw merchants who rarely had big name players, and never really did anything of note in football, certainly not in the modern era.
And that was before we turned into Randy Lerner's defeat worshippers, the club that loved failure, that habitually had its arse handed to it by lower league opposition in cups, and spent its time scrabbling around the foot of the table before being soundly walloped in front of an audience of millions at Wembley, and then scooting out the league as one of the most hapless and disgraceful 'teams' that ever got relegated.
Big grounds, nice training facilities, large away followings and impressive honours lists don't win games. But I can't help noticing a sense of entitlement that really doesn't help our cause.
The same entitlement that made many think we would have all the little teams quaking in their boots as we swaggered our way through the Championship, and back to the PL. The same entitlement that regards the likes of Steve Bruce as being below us, somehow. And the same goes for the likes of Allardyce and Pulis last year, both of whom might well have kept us up.
I think that attitude makes other teams think 'Who the fuck do Aston Villa think they are? They haven't won anything in a generation. Let's give 'em a kicking.' And do you know what, we're currently 19th in the Championship because nobody is overawed by Aston Villa, and we're as soft and woolly as a baby's blanket.
A few years ago Ian Holloway called us 'a half arsed club that used to be famous' and we all gave him shit for it. But he was right. More recently he predicted we would struggle in the Championship, and he was right about that too. He actually said we might get relegated. We're 19th and getting worse with every game. Don't think we're too big to go down, because some of us thought that five years ago and look where we are now.
I honestly think it's time to get over ourselves and start rebuilding from the bottom up. Forget the European Cup, and start thinking about winning a match. A single game of football. Then another. We are entitled to nothing unless we work our balls off and fight for it. And it's going to be ugly before it gets pretty. Hence, Steve Bruce.
I am resigned to never seeing us in the Premiership again. Younger fans than I certainly will but not with Steve Bruce I fear. With him there is slot in the Championship somewhere between 8th and 12th with our name on it. It will be our level and Steve Bruce's level.
I am resigned to never seeing us in the Premiership again. Younger fans than I certainly will but not with Steve Bruce I fear. With him there is slot in the Championship somewhere between 8th and 12th with our name on it. It will be our level and Steve Bruce's level.
I am resigned to never seeing us in the Premiership again. Younger fans than I certainly will but not with Steve Bruce I fear. With him there is slot in the Championship somewhere between 8th and 12th with our name on it. It will be our level and Steve Bruce's level.
I don't see the logic in that when applied to a man who has four promotions to his name. Any manager can be lucky once but four times suggests something else.
I am resigned to never seeing us in the Premiership again. Younger fans than I certainly will but not with Steve Bruce I fear. With him there is slot in the Championship somewhere between 8th and 12th with our name on it. It will be our level and Steve Bruce's level.
oh thanks for that, you little ray of sunshine.
I am resigned to never seeing us in the Premiership again. Younger fans than I certainly will but not with Steve Bruce I fear. With him there is slot in the Championship somewhere between 8th and 12th with our name on it. It will be our level and Steve Bruce's level.
I don't see the logic in that when applied to a man who has four promotions to his name. Any manager can be lucky once but four times suggests something else.
Isn't what some are saying on this thread very similar to what is used to berate the 'delusional' Geordies? Supposed big club thinking they should be attracting managers from supposed smaller clubs or even the likes of Mancini. See suggestions we approach Man United to get Marcus Radhford on loan in the summer!
We won the league in 1981, the European Cup in 1982, last won a trophy 20 years ago and are currently 19th in the Championship and a division below the likes of Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Hull City having recently sacked our third manager in 12 months.
Fcuk me folks, let's get a bit of perspective here. We need to focus on winning more than we lose before anything else. That in itself is massive progress.So the answer is appoint a manager with 36% win ratio?
Monty, the simplest way I can put it is we've been in freefall and we're not showing any signs of hitting the ground yet. We can't rebuild while we're still falling. We have to stop the rot first, get some stability, learn how to win a few games and then rebuild. We can't start any forward thinking while we're still slipping backwards.
Our short term ambitions are not getting into a full blooded relegation battle. That's what I mean by a wartime manager. Once we're on an even keel, then perhaps we can find this mystery Karanka / Wagner figure who can haul us into the 21st century, whoever it is. We're so far from that right now it's ridiculous.
Everyone in the Championship can smell blood. We are weak, they know it, and they will happily give us a kicking. We have two derbies coming up, for instance, which I'm not looking forward to in any way. Is anyone?
Monty, the simplest way I can put it is we've been in freefall and we're not showing any signs of hitting the ground yet. We can't rebuild while we're still falling. We have to stop the rot first, get some stability, learn how to win a few games and then rebuild. We can't start any forward thinking while we're still slipping backwards.
Our short term ambitions are not getting into a full blooded relegation battle. That's what I mean by a wartime manager. Once we're on an even keel, then perhaps we can find this mystery Karanka / Wagner figure who can haul us into the 21st century, whoever it is. We're so far from that right now it's ridiculous.
Everyone in the Championship can smell blood. We are weak, they know it, and they will happily give us a kicking. We have two derbies coming up, for instance, which I'm not looking forward to in any way. Is anyone?
Monty, the simplest way I can put it is we've been in freefall and we're not showing any signs of hitting the ground yet. We can't rebuild while we're still falling. We have to stop the rot first, get some stability, learn how to win a few games and then rebuild. We can't start any forward thinking while we're still slipping backwards.
Our short term ambitions are not getting into a full blooded relegation battle. That's what I mean by a wartime manager. Once we're on an even keel, then perhaps we can find this mystery Karanka / Wagner figure who can haul us into the 21st century, whoever it is. We're so far from that right now it's ridiculous.
Everyone in the Championship can smell blood. We are weak, they know it, and they will happily give us a kicking. We have two derbies coming up, for instance, which I'm not looking forward to in any way. Is anyone?
Exactly.
Also, Vic Crowe couldn't prevent our slide to Division 3 as it was but started the recovery. Maybe Bruce is the modern day equivalent? Without the slide to Division 3 obviously!
Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now waxing lyrical about the Villa. Sounds like he's desperate for the job.
Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now waxing lyrical about the Villa. Sounds like he's desperate for the job.
Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now
Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now
He's had his hair done
Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now
Looks like he's had a makeover in time for the Villa job.
He's had his hair done
Monty, I do think RDM was poor and we were right to sack him when we did. But I still think there are some attitudes to sort out at Villa Park. Those players who don't look arsed, for a start. I doubt Bruce, or someone of his ilk, will stand for that.
I guess what frustrates me is the 'We're Villa, we'll be ok,' mentality. In many ways, especially when it comes to other teams' perceptions of us (weak-willed coasters living on past glories) that's precisely why we won't be ok.
Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now waxing lyrical about the Villa. Sounds like he's desperate for the job.
Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now waxing lyrical about the Villa. Sounds like he's desperate for the job.
Nope, can't spot anything negative about that.
I am resigned to never seeing us in the Premiership again. Younger fans than I certainly will but not with Steve Bruce I fear. With him there is slot in the Championship somewhere between 8th and 12th with our name on it. It will be our level and Steve Bruce's level.
Fcuk me folks, let's get a bit of perspective here. We need to focus on winning more than we lose before anything else. That in itself is massive progress.So the answer is appoint a manager with 36% win ratio?
What's our win ratio over the last 5 seasons?
I am resigned to never seeing us in the Premiership again. Younger fans than I certainly will but not with Steve Bruce I fear. With him there is slot in the Championship somewhere between 8th and 12th with our name on it. It will be our level and Steve Bruce's level.
Except having been promoted 4 times already Bruce has already proved that 8-12th certainly isn't his level.
Fcuk me folks, let's get a bit of perspective here. We need to focus on winning more than we lose before anything else. That in itself is massive progress.So the answer is appoint a manager with 36% win ratio?
What's our win ratio over the last 5 seasons?
His Win ratio at Hull over 201 games was 40.8%.
Isn't what some are saying on this thread very similar to what is used to berate the 'delusional' Geordies? Supposed big club thinking they should be attracting managers from supposed smaller clubs or even the likes of Mancini. See suggestions we approach Man United to get Marcus Radhford on loan in the summer!
We won the league in 1981, the European Cup in 1982, last won a trophy 20 years ago and are currently 19th in the Championship and a division below the likes of Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Hull City having recently sacked our third manager in 12 months.
In fairness, the manager of those 'delusional Geordies' is Rafa Benitez.
He looked as fit as a fiddle on Goals on SundayI am resigned to never seeing us in the Premiership again. Younger fans than I certainly will but not with Steve Bruce I fear. With him there is slot in the Championship somewhere between 8th and 12th with our name on it. It will be our level and Steve Bruce's level.
Except having been promoted 4 times already Bruce has already proved that 8-12th certainly isn't his level.
Agreed but don't let facts get in the way! Biggest concern in my opinion is his physicals health as he certainly looked unfit when he left Hull.
I am resigned to never seeing us in the Premiership again. Younger fans than I certainly will but not with Steve Bruce I fear. With him there is slot in the Championship somewhere between 8th and 12th with our name on it. It will be our level and Steve Bruce's level.
Except having been promoted 4 times already Bruce has already proved that 8-12th certainly isn't his level.
Agreed but don't let facts get in the way! Biggest concern in my opinion is his physicals health as he certainly looked unfit when he left Hull.
I am resigned to never seeing us in the Premiership again. Younger fans than I certainly will but not with Steve Bruce I fear. With him there is slot in the Championship somewhere between 8th and 12th with our name on it. It will be our level and Steve Bruce's level.
Except having been promoted 4 times already Bruce has already proved that 8-12th certainly isn't his level.
Agreed but don't let facts get in the way! Biggest concern in my opinion is his physicals health as he certainly looked unfit when he left Hull.
Yes but by all accounts he looks sleek and sexy this morning.
Isn't what some are saying on this thread very similar to what is used to berate the 'delusional' Geordies? Supposed big club thinking they should be attracting managers from supposed smaller clubs or even the likes of Mancini. See suggestions we approach Man United to get Marcus Radhford on loan in the summer!
We won the league in 1981, the European Cup in 1982, last won a trophy 20 years ago and are currently 19th in the Championship and a division below the likes of Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Hull City having recently sacked our third manager in 12 months.
Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now waxing lyrical about the Villa. Sounds like he's desperate for the job.
Nope, can't spot anything negative about that.
Yep. It's comments like that which in a way makes me hope he gets it.
Yeah, he's still that bloke that gets teams promoted to the Premier LeagueI am resigned to never seeing us in the Premiership again. Younger fans than I certainly will but not with Steve Bruce I fear. With him there is slot in the Championship somewhere between 8th and 12th with our name on it. It will be our level and Steve Bruce's level.
Except having been promoted 4 times already Bruce has already proved that 8-12th certainly isn't his level.
Agreed but don't let facts get in the way! Biggest concern in my opinion is his physicals health as he certainly looked unfit when he left Hull.
Yes but by all accounts he looks sleek and sexy this morning.
Not so fat with a nice new haircut and plastered with makeup. He's still Steve Bruce though.
Isn't what some are saying on this thread very similar to what is used to berate the 'delusional' Geordies? Supposed big club thinking they should be attracting managers from supposed smaller clubs or even the likes of Mancini. See suggestions we approach Man United to get Marcus Radhford on loan in the summer!
We won the league in 1981, the European Cup in 1982, last won a trophy 20 years ago and are currently 19th in the Championship and a division below the likes of Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Hull City having recently sacked our third manager in 12 months.
I am glad people keep reminding us how bad Villa are. None of us had realised. Until you pointed out our League position I'd just assumed we were above Man United and Arsenal.
Can someone come along to say we need a "reality check" please?
Haven't had that for a couple of pages.
Isn't what some are saying on this thread very similar to what is used to berate the 'delusional' Geordies? Supposed big club thinking they should be attracting managers from supposed smaller clubs or even the likes of Mancini. See suggestions we approach Man United to get Marcus Radhford on loan in the summer!
We won the league in 1981, the European Cup in 1982, last won a trophy 20 years ago and are currently 19th in the Championship and a division below the likes of Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Hull City having recently sacked our third manager in 12 months.
I am glad people keep reminding us how bad Villa are. None of us had realised. Until you pointed out our League position I'd just assumed we were above Man United and Arsenal.
Can someone come along to say we need a "reality check" please?
Haven't had that for a couple of pages.
Yeah, I don't want to fall out with Chris, he's a good lad even though he never ever applauds the opposition at Headingley. 😉
Yeah, I don't want to fall out with Chris, he's a good lad even though he never ever applauds the opposition at Headingley. 😉I was pretty jealous when Hull were getting promoted and we were going down. I really couldn't give a shit what our rivals think
But it seems to me that since the O'Neill appointment we've never tried to punch above (or even equal to) our weight when appointing managers and that's a large part of the reason why we find ourselves where we are.
I'm not sure why people think going for another manager that none of our rivals would be jealous of is the magic cure to sort our worries.
Were you jealous when Bruce was taking Small Heath and Hull back down?No but we're not in the Premier League so why would I focus on that?
If you only focus on the positives you can make any manager look decent.
We aren't in the Premier League but there's no reason why we shouldn't consider a manager's performance in that or any other division.Any ideas apart from the people who have already ruled themselves out
We are not in some mythical magic league where the rules of football don't apply.
A manager who has had a mixed career, including promotions, relegations, good seasons and bad seasons, is less likely to be succesful than a manager who has been succesful for most of his career.
We should be appointing the latter sort.
We aren't in the Premier League but there's no reason why we shouldn't consider a manager's performance in that or any other division.Any ideas apart from the people who have already ruled themselves out
We are not in some mythical magic league where the rules of football don't apply.
A manager who has had a mixed career, including promotions, relegations, good seasons and bad seasons, is less likely to be succesful than a manager who has been succesful for most of his career.
We should be appointing the latter sort.
Does anyone have a list of our assistant managers since O'Neill left? We've had bloody loads.
** Sighs and gives up*We aren't in the Premier League but there's no reason why we shouldn't consider a manager's performance in that or any other division.Any ideas apart from the people who have already ruled themselves out
We are not in some mythical magic league where the rules of football don't apply.
A manager who has had a mixed career, including promotions, relegations, good seasons and bad seasons, is less likely to be succesful than a manager who has been succesful for most of his career.
We should be appointing the latter sort.
Bielsa, Mancini, Girard.
Sighs and gives up? Sounds exactly like the process we've used for appointing managers since 2010.
Barney Mcgrew took Camberwick Green down, and he didn't exactly pull up trees at Trumpton or Chigley either.Does anyone have a list of our assistant managers since O'Neill left? We've had bloody loads.
Pugh, Pugh, Barney Mcgrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grub.
Yeah, I don't want to fall out with Chris, he's a good lad even though he never ever applauds the opposition at Headingley. 😉
Sighs and gives up? Sounds exactly like the process we've used for appointing managers since 2010.We're not owned by Lerner now. We have to trust Wyness and Round know what they're doing. What other choice do we have?
We have no choice, we aren't a fan-owned club.
However, as the thread is for discussing who the next Villa manager will/should be, that's what I'll continue to do.
And I think appointing a manager with a track record of success is a better idea than appointing one with a mixed record including promotions and relegations.
We have no choice, we aren't a fan-owned club.
However, as the thread is for discussing who the next Villa manager will/should be, that's what I'll continue to do.
And I think appointing a manager with a track record of success is a better idea than appointing one with a mixed record including promotions and relegations.
Yeah, I don't want to fall out with Chris, he's a good lad even though he never ever applauds the opposition at Headingley. 😉
surely Risso didn't mean Jameson is a respected poster
Yeah, I don't want to fall out with Chris, he's a good lad even though he never ever applauds the opposition at Headingley. 😉
surely Risso didn't mean Jameson is a respected poster
We have no choice, we aren't a fan-owned club.
However, as the thread is for discussing who the next Villa manager will/should be, that's what I'll continue to do.
And I think appointing a manager with a track record of success is a better idea than appointing one with a mixed record including promotions and relegations.
By that token he has a track record of success better than anybody else in the division we are in.
We have no choice, we aren't a fan-owned club.Pep or Klopp then? Seriously, most managers have had success and failure especially if they've been around for a long time. Bruce is the most qualified of available managers for the job in hand.
However, as the thread is for discussing who the next Villa manager will/should be, that's what I'll continue to do.
And I think appointing a manager with a track record of success is a better idea than appointing one with a mixed record including promotions and relegations.
That sounds like a Dr Tony Tweet!
Ahhhhh, but cdbullyweefan-son, to learn how to succeed you must first learn how to fail.
Wax-on, wax-off.....
Isn't it fair to say that 90% of all managerial appointments 'end in tears'? And not just ours either!
Isn't it fair to say that 90% of all managerial appointments 'end in tears'? And not just ours either!
Ours often start in tears, followed by more tears in the middle, then end in tears.
Can we make this a key post or a sticky or whatever. It seems to cover most events since August 2010. Well done PercyIsn't it fair to say that 90% of all managerial appointments 'end in tears'? And not just ours either!
Ours often start in tears, followed by more tears in the middle, then end in tears.
Isn't it fair to say that 90% of all managerial appointments 'end in tears'? And not just ours either!
Some don't like Bruce for entirely sound and valid reasons.
But setting all that aside for a minute, if he goes to Derby, do they suddenly look a better bet for promotion? With his record, it's hard to argue they don't. Maybe not this season, but certainly next. We have a better squad of players than them, and deeper resources. Ditto the Hull side he got up twice in recent years.
Some don't like Bruce for entirely sound and valid reasons.Yep if we don't take him, Derby almost certainly will.
But setting all that aside for a minute, if he goes to Derby, do they suddenly look a better bet for promotion? With his record, it's hard to argue they don't. Maybe not this season, but certainly next. We have a better squad of players than them, and deeper resources. Ditto the Hull side he got up twice in recent years.
With that in mind, I'd try very hard to park 1993, 2003, his boofball, his nan hair and all the rest of it. I'll never forgive 1993 though.
I don't hate the idea of it being Bruce, though I'd hope that we might be able to get someone better. But something sits uneasily with me about him speaking to Sky about the job when he's halfway through the appointing process. Seems a little needy.
I don't hate the idea of it being Bruce, though I'd hope that we might be able to get someone better. But something sits uneasily with me about him speaking to Sky about the job when he's halfway through the appointing process. Seems a little needy.
You're probably right. I don't know what it is, I guess it's just unusual to hear from a manager between interviews.
I don't see the problem with it. He was asked about it and he was honest.
He is half the man he used to be, according to several headlines.
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Well old Fist Face is on Sky right now waxing lyrical about the Villa. Sounds like he's desperate for the job.
Glad you have come round John. Alternatively name a manager that we could get that's a better option to achieve promotion?
IIRC it was Dyche, Smith, Wagner and Rowett. A veritable who's who of glamour football and trophy winners ;)
Hasn't Bruce got more promotions and reached more cup finals than the four combined?
Think I mentioned in another thread that Ian Atkins worked with Bruce at Sunderland. He's a Brummie I believe too.
Rowett - done well on a limited budget but is as pragmatic as Bruce or Mcleish, counter attack and often soak up pressure for periods of games. Looks like he has a bright future but won't jump from Blues to Villa.
Ian Atkins employed as Head of Recruitment.Ex Northampton manager?
I don't get how Dyche with Burnley, promoted, relegated, promoted = great and Bruce with Hull, promoted, stayed up, relegated, promoted = shite.Same for Warnock. All his promotions were shit too
Spink, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence as coaches. Assuming Agnew and Clemence would leave their current jobs.
Wagner- granted looks very very good. Ruled himself out though. Not much we can do. 44 games in management is very very limited.
I was massively underwhelmed when we appointed Di Matteo, whilst it's not the most thrilling appointment of it is to be Bruce he's a lot better choice than the last few managers.
Sorry - Have you forgotten 1982?Spink, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence as coaches. Assuming Agnew and Clemence would leave their current jobs.
I don't want Spink - he used to coach the Blues.
Wagner- granted looks very very good. Ruled himself out though. Not much we can do. 44 games in management is very very limited.
Very very limited? He had 4 seasons managing Dortmund II. Granted it's not the Championship but it is looked upon as one of the best schools around, much like Barcelona where a certain manager only had one season taking care of their B team before moving up to the first team. He did a rather good job. I'm not comparing Wagner with Pep Guardiola but you get the point.
We could learn a lot from Huddersfield. Their chairman admitted it was a risk but they had a plan and have kept to it. It's no wonder they wouldn't even consider letting us talk to Wagner. It may not end up with promotion as they're working on a tiny budget (£4m) and there are plenty around that can outspend them. But still, it's a plan and a bloody smart one in my book.
irony failureSorry - Have you forgotten 1982?Spink, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence as coaches. Assuming Agnew and Clemence would leave their current jobs.
I don't want Spink - he used to coach the Blues.
Spink, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence as coaches. Assuming Agnew and Clemence would leave their current jobs.
I don't want Spink - he used to coach the Blues.
I was about to post a negative comment about Stephen Clemence and realised I was thinking of Stephen Carr.
I'm happy to say I like Steve Bruce, quite liked him as a player, always comes across as a decent bloke in interviews, remember him telling the BBC reporter that they would struggle to get any highlights out of a 0-0 against Villa and I also think he's a decent manager.
Look forward to everybody telling me how wrong I was when we miss out on the play offs this season.
So Dr Ts pa has tweeted that nothing is ever guaranteed in football and we are working hard to get the right man.
Wonder if there is a hint it might not be Bruce
HOOF!!
I'm happy to say I like Steve Bruce, quite liked him as a player, always comes across as a decent bloke in interviews, remember him telling the BBC reporter that they would struggle to get any highlights out of a 0-0 against Villa and I also think he's a decent manager.
I'm happy to say I like Steve Bruce, quite liked him as a player, always comes across as a decent bloke in interviews, remember him telling the BBC reporter that they would struggle to get any highlights out of a 0-0 against Villa and I also think he's a decent manager.
Apart from liking him as a player, I can't argue with that. You said it; he's 'decent'. Nothing more, just decent and decent seems to be the height of our ambitions. No doubt some time in the future he'll be replaced by David Moyes. He's decent too. And while we're at it, credit to Pullis, he's done a decent job keeping the Baggies up.
Aston Villa. Decent. I guess if that's the plan it shouldn't be too hard to achieve.
I'd take decent over absolutely shit which is what we are at the momentI'm happy to say I like Steve Bruce, quite liked him as a player, always comes across as a decent bloke in interviews, remember him telling the BBC reporter that they would struggle to get any highlights out of a 0-0 against Villa and I also think he's a decent manager.
Apart from liking him as a player, I can't argue with that. You said it; he's 'decent'. Nothing more, just decent and decent seems to be the height of our ambitions. No doubt some time in the future he'll be replaced by David Moyes. He's decent too. And while we're at it, credit to Pullis, he's done a decent job keeping the Baggies up.
Aston Villa. Decent. I guess if that's the plan it shouldn't be too hard to achieve.
His record in the Championship is more than 'decent'.
Interesting that Dr Tony had started following Phil Nevill on Twitter, who appears to be good mates with Alex Bruce
HOOF!!
Even if that were the case, if hoofing the ball up quicker led to the ball ending up in the opponents net more often I'd take it, certainly above the abstract unthreatening passing moves we've been treated to for what seems like forever.
I'm happy to say I like Steve Bruce, quite liked him as a player, always comes across as a decent bloke in interviews, remember him telling the BBC reporter that they would struggle to get any highlights out of a 0-0 against Villa and I also think he's a decent manager.
Apart from liking him as a player, I can't argue with that. You said it; he's 'decent'. Nothing more, just decent and decent seems to be the height of our ambitions. No doubt some time in the future he'll be replaced by David Moyes. He's decent too. And while we're at it, credit to Pullis, he's done a decent job keeping the Baggies up.
Aston Villa. Decent. I guess if that's the plan it shouldn't be too hard to achieve.
If we're the biggest club in the division, how come we don't get the biggest home attendances? And how come we can't beat smaller clubs? After all, bigger clubs than us usually have no trouble giving us a whacking.
I reckon we should put this 'big club' thing to bed until we start acting like one on the pitch. And that means, y'know, winning some games.
Wagner- granted looks very very good. Ruled himself out though. Not much we can do. 44 games in management is very very limited.
Very very limited? He had 4 seasons managing Dortmund II. Granted it's not the Championship but it is looked upon as one of the best schools around, much like Barcelona where a certain manager only had one season taking care of their B team before moving up to the first team. He did a rather good job. I'm not comparing Wagner with Pep Guardiola but you get the point.
We could learn a lot from Huddersfield. Their chairman admitted it was a risk but they had a plan and have kept to it. It's no wonder they wouldn't even consider letting us talk to Wagner. It may not end up with promotion as they're working on a tiny budget (£4m) and there are plenty around that can outspend them. But still, it's a plan and a bloody smart one in my book.
It is. But then stepping up to have Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Alves et al at the height of their powers is like playing on cheat mode. So is going to Bayern and City. Hes a great manager, but had resources no other has.
Wagner may be brilliant but 44 games is limited at a smallish club and previously been manager of a b team doesn't make him any more suitable to managing our basket case.
If we're the biggest club in the division, how come we don't get the biggest home attendances? And how come we can't beat smaller clubs? After all, bigger clubs than us usually have no trouble giving us a whacking.
I reckon we should put this 'big club' thing to bed until we start acting like one on the pitch. And that means, y'know, winning some games.
Attendances are an indicator of club size, but not the only one. I don't think Brighton are bigger than Leeds, Dortmund are bigger than Bayern Munich or Napoli are bigger than Juventus.
As for why we lose, it's because we are shit. As people on this thread, for some reason, seem to revel in reminding us.
Our current position doesn't affect the fact that we are a big club and have been since the 1880s.
To have a team capable of helping us live up to our history and size, we need the best manager possible. I remain unconvinced that said man is Steve Bruce.
He is a comfortable man, a wealthy man, a 55 year old man, living in his comfort zone, soon to have the added comfort of a Villa contract in his pocket.
We talk rightly and at length about motivating the players. What is going to motivate Steve Bruce?
Wagner- granted looks very very good. Ruled himself out though. Not much we can do. 44 games in management is very very limited.
Very very limited? He had 4 seasons managing Dortmund II. Granted it's not the Championship but it is looked upon as one of the best schools around, much like Barcelona where a certain manager only had one season taking care of their B team before moving up to the first team. He did a rather good job. I'm not comparing Wagner with Pep Guardiola but you get the point.
We could learn a lot from Huddersfield. Their chairman admitted it was a risk but they had a plan and have kept to it. It's no wonder they wouldn't even consider letting us talk to Wagner. It may not end up with promotion as they're working on a tiny budget (£4m) and there are plenty around that can outspend them. But still, it's a plan and a bloody smart one in my book.
It is. But then stepping up to have Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Alves et al at the height of their powers is like playing on cheat mode. So is going to Bayern and City. Hes a great manager, but had resources no other has.
Wagner may be brilliant but 44 games is limited at a smallish club and previously been manager of a b team doesn't make him any more suitable to managing our basket case.
I think for someone like Wagner to be a success he needs a pre season rather than coming in halfway through and completely ripping things up if you look, it was the same for Garde imo.
Appointing Bruce to me shows we haven't given up on this season and nor should we, top 2 looks out of reach but play offs is still a possibility if we can win a game or two soon.
definately dyed his hair, watch out for leather trousers.
He is a comfortable man, a wealthy man, a 55 year old man, living in his comfort zone, soon to have the added comfort of a Villa contract in his pocket.
We talk rightly and at length about motivating the players. What is going to motivate Steve Bruce?
He's lost half his body weight, had a haircut, applies makeup and is in his mid 50s.
Has he bought a soft top/motorcycle too?
I'm utterly underwhelmed by Bruce, but if he can make us a team, and a team that can win I'll be content for the first time in a long while, and frankly I don't give a fuck if that team plays like Wimbledon 88 just now.
I understand this is a football forum and a place for opinions, but for goodness' sake stop the fucking snivelling.
I'm utterly underwhelmed by Bruce, but if he can make us a team, and a team that can win I'll be content for the first time in a long while, and frankly I don't give a fuck if that team plays like Wimbledon 88 just now.
I understand this is a football forum and a place for opinions, but for goodness' sake stop the fucking snivelling.
I agree.
We're so shit, even a moderately talented manager should be able to improve significantly on what we've seen for years.
Yes, being a big club helps in terms of who you can attract, but then again, being 19th in the Championship having won 4 of your last 51 league games doesn't feel too "big" right now.
So no one knows what his playing style is or his football philosophy?
I am far from overwhelmed by Bruce but i dont get why people are so against him.
HOOF!!
Even if that were the case, if hoofing the ball up quicker led to the ball ending up in the opponents net more often I'd take it, certainly above the abstract unthreatening passing moves we've been treated to for what seems like forever.
I'm hoping we mix it up a little. Anyway hoof is a good option. Cuts out our midfield.
I'm utterly underwhelmed by Bruce, but if he can make us a team, and a team that can win I'll be content for the first time in a long while, and frankly I don't give a fuck if that team plays like Wimbledon 88 just now.
I understand this is a football forum and a place for opinions, but for goodness' sake stop the fucking snivelling.
I agree.
We're so shit, even a moderately talented manager should be able to improve significantly on what we've seen for years.
Yes, being a big club helps in terms of who you can attract, but then again, being 19th in the Championship having won 4 of your last 51 league games doesn't feel too "big" right now.
Steve Bruce as our manager encapsulates where we are as a club. A manager 10 years ago we wouldn't have even given a second thought to any roundly mocked. It will be the greatest of ironies if he provides the start of our recovery and back to the PL.
Steve Bruce as our manager encapsulates where we are as a club. A manager 10 years ago we wouldn't have even given a second thought to any roundly mocked. It will be the greatest of ironies if he provides the start of our recovery and back to the PL.
I would be genuinely delighted if he did and naturally would support him if he became our manager.
Sadly this is one appointment where it seems clear to me how it will go. Plodding out of date manager gets big payout after being axed within six months and we are stuck in this division for another season.
If we're the biggest club in the division, how come we don't get the biggest home attendances? And how come we can't beat smaller clubs? After all, bigger clubs than us usually have no trouble giving us a whacking.
I reckon we should put this 'big club' thing to bed until we start acting like one on the pitch. And that means, y'know, winning some games.
Attendances are an indicator of club size, but not the only one. I don't think Brighton are bigger than Leeds, Dortmund are bigger than Bayern Munich or Napoli are bigger than Juventus.
As for why we lose, it's because we are shit. As people on this thread, for some reason, seem to revel in reminding us.
Our current position doesn't affect the fact that we are a big club and have been since the 1880s.
To have a team capable of helping us live up to our history and size, we need the best manager possible. I remain unconvinced that said man is Steve Bruce.
Mate we need to get the team sorted and organised we are in freefall currently and if we don't we could go down again when we get back in the Prem League we can worry about "living up to our history and size"
Spink, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence as coaches. Assuming Agnew and Clemence would leave their current jobs.
I don't want Spink - he used to coach the Blues.
I was about to post a negative comment about Stephen Clemence and realised I was thinking of Stephen Carr.
I've got one for you Pat, in my view Stephen Clemence has ladies lips.
There are children of around ten or eleven years old who support us and attend games, and all they've really known is embarrassment, humiliation, disappointment and failure.
By the time I was ten we were champions of Europe.
I feel sorry for those kids, and I think we're going to have to learn how to grind out a few 'boring' agricultural wins to let them feel what winning is like, as they've probably no idea.
You don't suddenly go from being the shittest of the shit to exciting winners just like that. The first step is winning by any means. And time is running out, because if we don't start winning soon, we could end up being the 'biggest club' in the third division.
There are children of around ten or eleven years old who support us and attend games, and all they've really known is embarrassment, humiliation, disappointment and failure.
By the time I was ten we were champions of Europe.
I feel sorry for those kids, and I think we're going to have to learn how to grind out a few 'boring' agricultural wins to let them feel what winning is like, as they've probably no idea.
You don't suddenly go from being the shittest of the shit to exciting winners just like that. The first step is winning by any means. And time is running out, because if we don't start winning soon, we could end up being the 'biggest club' in the third division.
Yes, of course. And "winning by any means" is more likely if we appoint a top quality manager than it is if we settle for second best as we have done with every managerial appointment since 2010.
Spink, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence as coaches. Assuming Agnew and Clemence would leave their current jobs.
I don't want Spink - he used to coach the Blues.
I was about to post a negative comment about Stephen Clemence and realised I was thinking of Stephen Carr.
I've got one for you Pat, in my view Stephen Clemence has ladies lips.
Stephen Clemence has got a fanny?
Nigel Pearson now free to join us.
There are children of around ten or eleven years old who support us and attend games, and all they've really known is embarrassment, humiliation, disappointment and failure.
By the time I was ten we were champions of Europe.
I feel sorry for those kids, and I think we're going to have to learn how to grind out a few 'boring' agricultural wins to let them feel what winning is like, as they've probably no idea.
You don't suddenly go from being the shittest of the shit to exciting winners just like that. The first step is winning by any means. And time is running out, because if we don't start winning soon, we could end up being the 'biggest club' in the third division.
Yes, of course. And "winning by any means" is more likely if we appoint a top quality manager than it is if we settle for second best as we have done with every managerial appointment since 2010.
Who is this top quality manager who'll come to byword-for-failure-national-joke-and-19th-in-the-Championship-can't-buy-a-win Aston Villa? Who?
I agree with every word ciggies I base my reluctance to welcome Steve Bruce on the followinghear, hear.
He has never been a top manager.
He has never produced high quality football from any team he has managed.
He is a comfortable man, a wealthy man, a 55 year old man, living in his comfort zone, soon to have the added comfort of a Villa contract in his pocket.
We talk rightly and at length about motivating the players. What is going to motivate Steve Bruce? His gravy train like RDM's, Garde's, Sherwood's, Lambert's, McLeish's, Houllier's and MON's rolls on.
HOOF!!
Even if that were the case, if hoofing the ball up quicker led to the ball ending up in the opponents net more often I'd take it, certainly above the abstract unthreatening passing moves we've been treated to for what seems like forever.
A manager that is already top class wouldn't touch us with a barge pole. We either sign a steady Eddie type (like Bruce) and hope that they turn us around, or we take an even bigger gamble on a Wagner type and hope they become top class with us. I'd prefer the Wagner type, it could be a total disaster and we'd be in Div 3 next season, or he could be the next Klopp and we got him early and are on our way back big style. But it's easy for me to say i'd take the gamble, it's not my £100m+ on the line.
Graham Taylor had achieved real success though, taking Watford up three divisions, and never going back down. He also finished second in the league, I think. A phenomenal achievement for a club of their size.
Unlike Bruce he had never failed anywhere.
Graham Taylor had achieved real success though, taking Watford up three divisions, and never going back down. He also finished second in the league, I think. A phenomenal achievement for a club of their size.
Unlike Bruce he had never failed anywhere.
]I've already stated my preferences but happy to do so again. Monty talked me out of Mancini so I want Bielsa or Girard.Sheer madness to consider men with no experience of English football for the career grater that the champ is.
I suppose I just don't actually see a whole lot of difference between middling in the Championship and lower-middling in the Premier League. So far this season, the only difference I've noticed is that the fans of the clubs getting the best of us haven't been total plastic wankers, and the players on the pitch twatting us haven't been as good.
Obviously, I want Villa to compete at as high a level as possible, but 16th in the PL or 10th in the Championship? You're still an also-ran, not doing much and (in our case) presumably playing lethally unappetising football. If this club is going to jump out of this deeply grooved rut, it'll need something a bit more radical than 'hire Steve Bruce, he might get a 1-0 against the Dingles'.
Graham Taylor had achieved real success though, taking Watford up three divisions, and never going back down. He also finished second in the league, I think. A phenomenal achievement for a club of their size.
Unlike Bruce he had never failed anywhere.
Are you sure? I love Sir Graham, but his career isn't exactly all gold now is it? I realise in coming to us he has been successful but even someone as competent as he was shows that failure is possible.
Graham Taylor had achieved real success though, taking Watford up three divisions, and never going back down. He also finished second in the league, I think. A phenomenal achievement for a club of their size.
Unlike Bruce he had never failed anywhere.
Graham Taylor had achieved real success though, taking Watford up three divisions, and never going back down. He also finished second in the league, I think. A phenomenal achievement for a club of their size.
Unlike Bruce he had never failed anywhere.
I was classing real success as silverware. GT's record was amazing but I'm not sure Bruce has failed anywhere to be fair. The relegations from the prem are with clubs who probably had no right being there in the first place. Sunderland could be classed a disappointment all things considered. Getting Wigan to 8th is probably just as phenomenal.
There are children of around ten or eleven years old who support us and attend games, and all they've really known is embarrassment, humiliation, disappointment and failure.
By the time I was ten we were champions of Europe.
I feel sorry for those kids, and I think we're going to have to learn how to grind out a few 'boring' agricultural wins to let them feel what winning is like, as they've probably no idea.
You don't suddenly go from being the shittest of the shit to exciting winners just like that. The first step is winning by any means. And time is running out, because if we don't start winning soon, we could end up being the 'biggest club' in the third division.
Yes, of course. And "winning by any means" is more likely if we appoint a top quality manager than it is if we settle for second best as we have done with every managerial appointment since 2010.
Who is this top quality manager who'll come to byword-for-failure-national-joke-and-19th-in-the-Championship-can't-buy-a-win Aston Villa? Who?
Thanks for reminding me where we are in the league. You haven't done that since your last post.
There are plenty of managers who would be willing to come to one-of-the-richest-clubs-in-the-World-who-will-pay-you-loads-of-money-and-give-you-even-more-to-spend.
We are only two-thirds of a good season away from the richest league on the planet.
Of course, if you were conducting the interviews we'd be lucky to attract Billy McNeill's lesser talented brother. You'd just keep saying "do you know we're nineteenth in the league?" every ten seconds until the applicant pretended to need the loo then escaped out of a bathroom window.
However, if Dr Tony is good at selling his vision for our massive club, and happy to pay shitloads of cash, we could attract any number of fantastic managers.
I've already stated my preferences but happy to do so again. Monty talked me out of Mancini so I want Bielsa or Girard.
Graham Taylor had achieved real success though, taking Watford up three divisions, and never going back down. He also finished second in the league, I think. A phenomenal achievement for a club of their size.
Unlike Bruce he had never failed anywhere.
I was classing real success as silverware. GT's record was amazing but I'm not sure Bruce has failed anywhere to be fair. The relegations from the prem are with clubs who probably had no right being there in the first place. Sunderland could be classed a disappointment all things considered. Getting Wigan to 8th is probably just as phenomenal.
Graham Taylor had achieved real success though, taking Watford up three divisions, and never going back down. He also finished second in the league, I think. A phenomenal achievement for a club of their size.
Unlike Bruce he had never failed anywhere.
I was classing real success as silverware. GT's record was amazing but I'm not sure Bruce has failed anywhere to be fair. The relegations from the prem are with clubs who probably had no right being there in the first place. Sunderland could be classed a disappointment all things considered. Getting Wigan to 8th is probably just as phenomenal.
He clearly failed at Sunderland... admittedly everyone does!
He failed at Birmingham and Hull when he got relegated, just as he succeeded at both clubs when he got them up.
That's the thing, it's been an up and down sort of career. Fair enough the ups may outnumber the downs but Taylor had had nothing but success prior to his appointment.
irony failureSorry - Have you forgotten 1982?Spink, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence as coaches. Assuming Agnew and Clemence would leave their current jobs.
I don't want Spink - he used to coach the Blues.
Ron Saunders had just been sacked for looking like he was going to relegate Man City.
Forgive my ignorance but who are Bielsa and Girard?
Forgive my ignorance but who are Bielsa and Girard?
Spink, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence as coaches. Assuming Agnew and Clemence would leave their current jobs.
I don't want Spink - he used to coach the Blues.
I was about to post a negative comment about Stephen Clemence and realised I was thinking of Stephen Carr.
I've got one for you Pat, in my view Stephen Clemence has ladies lips.
Forgive my ignorance but who are Bielsa and Girard?
Wikipedia is your friend, Chris.
Spink, Steve Agnew and Stephen Clemence as coaches. Assuming Agnew and Clemence would leave their current jobs.
I don't want Spink - he used to coach the Blues.
I was about to post a negative comment about Stephen Clemence and realised I was thinking of Stephen Carr.
I've got one for you Pat, in my view Stephen Clemence has ladies lips.
I now have an image in my head of that goldfish with the big lips from the Tomfoolery cartoon series in the 70s / 80s
Forgive my ignorance but who are Bielsa and Girard?
Wikipedia is your friend, Chris.
Girard is a philosopher of social science according to Wikipedia. A bit like Arsene Wenger but dead.
Having seen who they are I'd say they are both guaranteed to bring us success, bit like that Garde bloke we had.
I agree with every word ciggies I base my reluctance to welcome Steve Bruce on the following
He has never been a top manager.
He has never produced high quality football from any team he has managed.
He is a comfortable man, a wealthy man, a 55 year old man, living in his comfort zone, soon to have the added comfort of a Villa contract in his pocket.
We talk rightly and at length about motivating the players. What is going to motivate Steve Bruce? His gravy train like RDM's, Garde's, Sherwood's, Lambert's, McLeish's, Houllier's and MON's rolls on.
Ian Atkins has been head of European Recruitment at Everton looks like a straight job swap.. he is a Nose.
Very highly thought of though.
Ian Atkins has been head of European Recruitment at Everton looks like a straight job swap.. he is a Nose.
Very highly thought of though.
Are you sure about that?
Ian Atkins has been head of European Recruitment at Everton looks like a straight job swap.. he is a Nose.
Very highly thought of though.
Are you sure about that?
Born in Sheldon so probably a decent chance.
A touch more than Erdington.Ian Atkins has been head of European Recruitment at Everton looks like a straight job swap.. he is a Nose.
Very highly thought of though.
Are you sure about that?
Born in Sheldon so probably a decent chance.
Sheldon is nose country, is it??
My son told me today of a conversation he had with a now retired much capped England international player. Asked about player motivation he replied that many managers now regard compensated failure as a legitimate objective.
But Bruce resigned from his last role rather than waiting for compensated failure.
But Bruce resigned from his last role rather than waiting for compensated failure.I bet you that next day his lawyers walked in with a constructive dismissal claim?
But Bruce resigned from his last role rather than waiting for compensated failure.
Ian Atkins has been head of European Recruitment at Everton looks like a straight job swap.. he is a Nose.
Very highly thought of though.
Are you sure about that?
Born in Sheldon so probably a decent chance.
Ian Atkins has been head of European Recruitment at Everton looks like a straight job swap.. he is a Nose.
Very highly thought of though.
Are you sure about that?
Born in Sheldon so probably a decent chance.
I only ask because I know that not long after he left them, or maybe while he was with them, he coached the team at The Bell at Marston Green one night a week. It was in the pub after training that he came up with the most perfect one-word description of their fans I've ever heard - cranks.
The lack of affection with which he said it didn't make him sound like a nose.
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Favourite current premiership manager - Ferguson
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What's this about Ian Atkins. I seem to have missed something. Is he going to be the new head of recruitment?
Never mind, just read the Steve Round thread.
Nothing screams 'Championship Club' than appointing Steve fucking Bruce to keep you in it.
You really could write a book on mismanagement on how we got to this.
Fuck me.
Nothing screams 'Championship Club' than appointing Steve fucking Bruce to keep you in it.
You really could write a book on mismanagement on how we got to this.
Fuck me.
Is that what his track record suggests? Have his previous clubs remained in the Championship?
But Bruce resigned from his last role rather than waiting for compensated failure.
Nothing screams 'Championship Club' than appointing Steve fucking Bruce to keep you in it.
You really could write a book on mismanagement on how we got to this.
Fuck me.
Is that what his track record suggests? Have his previous clubs remained in the Championship?
I really do admire your optimism. It has been beaten out of me but I can t knock you for keeping going, even on the doorstep of Steve fucking Bruce.
Nothing screams 'Championship Club' than appointing Steve fucking Bruce to keep you in it.
You really could write a book on mismanagement on how we got to this.
Fuck me.
Is that what his track record suggests? Have his previous clubs remained in the Championship?
I really do admire your optimism. It has been beaten out of me but I can t knock you for keeping going, even on the doorstep of Steve fucking Bruce.
I would suggest it isn't optimism, rather pragmatism.
He will take us up this season.
Have we still got that European scout that spent his time living in Australia?
I just cannot see Bruce taking us up this season
Watch out for the return of Richards / Gabby!
We need a manager that only sorts out the team, but will unite the club with the supporters (I thought that was what the club were supposedly trying to do?)
I wont applaud him / sing his name (how can we after all the abuse we have given him over the years?), for me he will be a page in our history, and then we will move on to the next one
I have to smile at the comments on his performance on that SKY sports programme on Sunday, of course he wants to manage us on a couple of million a year, a fool would!
Reality check. The route to top five in Europe, or whatever grandiose ambition was touted, starts with Steve Bruce.
The way I see is we need a noticeable improvement in performances between now and January, then get in at least a couple of midfielders who can do the business in the Championship (whether that be purchase or loaned from a PL club), and then hopefully make a push for the playoffs, and from there, anything can happen of course.
Nothing screams 'Championship Club' than appointing Steve fucking Bruce to keep you in it.
Nothing screams 'Championship Club' than appointing Steve fucking Bruce to keep you in it.
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Hull City ring any bells.
Sadly there appears to be an awful lot of Villa supporters who are almost willing him to fail.
I just cannot see Bruce taking us up this seasoni don't really want Bruce to get the job- mainly because I reckon we'd need to get a new manager to move us forward in the PL if we did get back up. I'd rather get someone in who can get us up and have a crack at PL top 6.
Watch out for the return of Richards / Gabby!
We need a manager that only sorts out the team, but will unite the club with the supporters (I thought that was what the club were supposedly trying to do?)
I wont applaud him / sing his name (how can we after all the abuse we have given him over the years?), for me he will be a page in our history, and then we will move on to the next one
I have to smile at the comments on his performance on that SKY sports programme on Sunday, of course he wants to manage us on a couple of million a year, a fool would!
I shall keep my hands in my pockets and judge him on what he does not who he is. I think my hands are going to spend a lot of time in my pockets this winter. Or potting up my bulbs on match days.is that whilst they are in your pockets?
Nothing screams 'Championship Club' than appointing Steve fucking Bruce to keep you in it.
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Hull City ring any bells.
Sadly there appears to be an awful lot of Villa supporters who are almost willing him to fail.
19th in the Championship and just sacked our 4th manager in 18 months? We should be glad someone like Steve Bruce wants to come
Apparently Giggs has said he would be prepared to manage a Championship club rather than just consider a club in the Premier League. For those opposed to Bruce, would taking a massive risk and gamble on someone like Giggs be considered a step in the right direction...or completely way off track?
Not willing him to fail and not even expecting him too this season but I don't think he has any role longer than 18 months .
19th in the Championship and just sacked our 4th manager in 18 months? We should be glad someone like Steve Bruce wants to come
Quite. I think some of us have an unrealistic opinion of our current position in the football world. Things change so quickly in the game these days and we cannot live on past glories. Having a nice ground and taking loads away is perhaps not the draw we like to think, we are currently a club that has struggled for years with an owner who is new to the game and consequently still has to prove himself. If we can get a manager with a track record of achieving the thing we are aiming for in the immediate future then he has to be a serious contender and I am sure we can mitigate against any overly short term thinking with the structure that Round is putting in place.
Not willing him to fail and not even expecting him too this season but I don't think he has any role longer than 18 months and I don't like the idea of taking on a manager who plays a style that won't be a success where we want to be without at least trying to find someone who could still have a place with us in the premier league.
19th in the Championship and just sacked our 4th manager in 18 months? We should be glad someone like Steve Bruce wants to come
Quite. I think some of us have an unrealistic opinion of our current position in the football world. Things change so quickly in the game these days and we cannot live on past glories. Having a nice ground and taking loads away is perhaps not the draw we like to think, we are currently a club that has struggled for years with an owner who is new to the game and consequently still has to prove himself. If we can get a manager with a track record of achieving the thing we are aiming for in the immediate future then he has to be a serious contender and I am sure we can mitigate against any overly short term thinking with the structure that Round is putting in place.
I have big doubts about Steve Round being the right man for the job he is doing. He was previously assistant manager to Moyes, old school manager with old school thinking. Why do we think Round is the man to shape the footballing side of our club and drag us into the 21st century? Hope I'm wrong but I think he may well have been promoted above his capabilities
I will be gutted if Bruce DOESN'T come.
To those who think he 'isn't the right manager for us in PL' just wow! that is arrogance beyond belief for where we currently are. Let's get back before we start worrying about the type of football we will play in the top flight please.
Every time the club has made a bad decision since the departure of O'Neill right up to relegation, and there have been dozens, those of us who try to point out that there could very easily be more failure ahead are accused of actually wanting us to fail. Nothing could be further from the truth. My/our hopes are very simple. An end to reactive decision making and a plan that sees beyond the next "must win" games.There are very few times Villa fans can actually look forward to the future, a change of management is one of those times. Its the hope that the next guy in the door will be the one to make us click and bring back the good times. There is, more than likely, more shit to endure whether its Bruce, Clarke or someone else, but it would be bloody good for a new manager bounce and 3-4 wins on the spin
19th in the Championship and just sacked our 4th manager in 18 months? We should be glad someone like Steve Bruce wants to come
Quite. I think some of us have an unrealistic opinion of our current position in the football world. Things change so quickly in the game these days and we cannot live on past glories. Having a nice ground and taking loads away is perhaps not the draw we like to think, we are currently a club that has struggled for years with an owner who is new to the game and consequently still has to prove himself. If we can get a manager with a track record of achieving the thing we are aiming for in the immediate future then he has to be a serious contender and I am sure we can mitigate against any overly short term thinking with the structure that Round is putting in place.
I have big doubts about Steve Round being the right man for the job he is doing. He was previously assistant manager to Moyes, old school manager with old school thinking. Why do we think Round is the man to shape the footballing side of our club and drag us into the 21st century? Hope I'm wrong but I think he may well have been promoted above his capabilities
Yes, I probably share some of that concern but his remit is different and thing that struck me when he was recruited is that he talked about innovation and new ways of working. That is some way removed from being an assistant manager.
I will be gutted if Bruce DOESN'T come.how is advocating planning for the longer term arrogant beyond belief?
To those who think he 'isn't the right manager for us in PL' just wow! that is arrogance beyond belief for where we currently are. Let's get back before we start worrying about the type of football we will play in the top flight please.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/nov/30/steve-bruce-sunderland-sacked
Posted from a link on twitter. Mmm. Worrying article really.
Please read this Tony and do not appoint this useless twat
Not willing him to fail and not even expecting him too this season but I don't think he has any role longer than 18 months and I don't like the idea of taking on a manager who plays a style that won't be a success where we want to be without at least trying to find someone who could still have a place with us in the premier league.
Are we talking about Bruce? He's had 4 jobs in the last 15 years, including 6 years at our beloved neighbours and has just finished 4 years at Hull.
we are and as we all know today's Aston Villa is very different from that of times past
If they get Bruce in, so be it. It is what it is. He'll probably get us promoted next season, if not this. I'd take that, in all honesty, but would prefer someone who could take us forward, if/when we get back. It's unlikely Bruce would get us to kick on in the PL. Reality.Totally agree with this. If it is Bruce I will be behind him like any of our other managers we have appointed. I would just be happier if it appeared we were planning for the long term. It just looks to me that Bruce is avaliable so 'he will do'. I would prefer us to employ a manager with a fresh impetus new ideas and a plan not only for now but in a few years times if and when we get back to the Premier League. Personally I'm not fussed if we don't get promotion this year as long as we look like we are progressing, but I suppose modern football culture dispensed with patience a long time ago.
If they bring him in, I'll back him, as I would any new Villa manager. A club of our stature should be thinking more long term though, in my view. Why do we have to restrict ourselves to the same old 'good in the championship' merchants? We're Aston Villa, to coin a phrase.
I don't think we are that different from times past. We've been in the shit before and got out of it. We will this time too. We've got financial backing, which in all honesty, is pretty much everything. We just need to get our decisions right, from now on. Whether the right people are in place to make those decisions is my biggest concern about our current plight. Everybody is pretty much unproven in all positions. Time will tell. I have confidence that Xia won't hesitate to replace suits if they fuck up the next managerial appointment.
The 10th fence on the racecourse should not be uppermost in your mind, when you are approaching the first.
The 10th fence on the racecourse should not be uppermost in your mind, when you are approaching the first.
confuscious?
The 10th fence on the racecourse should not be uppermost in your mind, when you are approaching the first.
confuscious?
If they get Bruce in, so be it. It is what it is. He'll probably get us promoted next season, if not this. I'd take that, in all honesty, but would prefer someone who could take us forward, if/when we get back. It's unlikely Bruce would get us to kick on in the PL. Reality.You mean long term as in appointing an exiting young manager like Guarde or Solskjear? Romantic as it sounds, another failure and we really could do a Leeds. It's time to be sensible and pragmatic.
If they bring him in, I'll back him, as I would any new Villa manager. A club of our stature should be thinking more long term though, in my view. Why do we have to restrict ourselves to the same old 'good in the championship' merchants? We're Aston Villa, to coin a phrase.
I've never been a fan of so-called old style British football, big centre-forwards etc and would love to see a Villa team playing with the style Arsenal and Man City fans get spoilt with week in week out - so I'm not getting excited at the prospect of Steve Bruce being appointed.I like the style of Liverpool Spurs and the attitude of Leicester or stoke of seasons past mixed in with some of their attacking play! Throw in a bit of swansea possesion and palace and even more leicester counter attack then you got a healthy old school and modern mix of British football than can pee over arsenal and man city.
BUT I've always respected what he has done and always found him a very likeable bloke. I imagine he'd be a good manager to play for - hard working, knows what he's doing, honest with his players, have their respect and be respectful of our club and us. He'll give it everything he's got, that's for sure.
A crucial area as always is who he chooses as his assistant and his coaches. All was going well at Blues until Mark Bowen left to join up with Mark Hughes at Blackburn, and he's not going to be in a position to bring his assistant from Hull with him. This has caught us out in the past with neither Tim Sherwood nor Remi Garde being able to bring their preferred assistants with them.
Good luck Steve if you get the job.
The 10th fence on the racecourse should not be uppermost in your mind, when you are approaching the first.But Grasshopper knows you should be conserving energy on first if you know there is a 10th!
The 10th fence on the racecourse should not be uppermost in your mind, when you are approaching the first.
Apparently Giggs has said he would be prepared to manage a Championship club rather than just consider a club in the Premier League. For those opposed to Bruce, would taking a massive risk and gamble on someone like Giggs be considered a step in the right direction...or completely way off track?HE HAS NO F IN MANAGERIAL EXPERIENCE he can **** off as far as we are concerned. By the way has he got any coaching badges or is it another case of his mates in the media awarding him the "been there done it" degree?
And we are allowed to change the trainer and indeed horses before we need to tackle the latter fences.Grasshopper says you lose race if you do that!
he is the ultimate old boys network candidate
have you seen the media and friends who are coming out for him, Redknap, Savage, Mcliesh etc
and we thought Sherwood had some chums
its just a vicious circle of mates recommending mates they just keep going round getting job after job on the recommendation of other mates
the old boy network at its finest
I hate the fucking lot of them
The 10th fence on the racecourse should not be uppermost in your mind, when you are approaching the first.
True but if your goal is to be in first place after the 10th fence then make sure you're not making that more difficult on yourself by only training the horse to jump 1 or 2 fences.
Does anyone know who else might be in the frame if it isn't Bruce? Who else is part of the "process" he referred to?
The 10th fence on the racecourse should not be uppermost in your mind, when you are approaching the first.
True but if your goal is to be in first place after the 10th fence then make sure you're not making that more difficult on yourself by only training the horse to jump 1 or 2 fences.
But Bruce has a good record, I don't get the issue?
The 10th fence on the racecourse should not be uppermost in your mind, when you are approaching the first.
True but if your goal is to be in first place after the 10th fence then make sure you're not making that more difficult on yourself by only training the horse to jump 1 or 2 fences.
But Bruce has a good record, I don't get the issue?
he is the ultimate old boys network candidateTrue
have you seen the media and friends who are coming out for him, Redknap, Savage, Mcliesh etc
and we thought Sherwood had some chums
its just a vicious circle of mates recommending mates they just keep going round getting job after job on the recommendation of other mates
the old boy network at its finest
I hate the fucking lot of them
I'm mellowing. If it's Bruce, it's Bruce.
I'll give him a chance. If he can get off to a good start, and beat those c***s from Bordesley while he's at it, he'll go a long way to winning over us doubters.
Does anyone know who else might be in the frame if it isn't Bruce? Who else is part of the "process" he referred to?
Each candidate has to stand in the Birmingham Wholesale Market at sunrise to try and sell Richards/Gabby/Gardner for a collective sum of more than 50p before reporting back to the boardroom...and the dreaded verdict.
I wasn't inspired by Houllier but thought he would steady the ship. Experienced at the highest levels. But he was useless.
I thought Mcleish would be useless. He was.
I thought Lambert would be great for us. An up and coming British manager who had excelled in the lower leagues. Dare I say he was young and hungry. He was useless.
Sherwood, British laddish, I can't stand him but maybe he might get on with the players and...useless.
Change of direction, garde, cultured European, champions league experience. Useless.
Di Matteo, a pretty unique cv, experienced at championship and champions league level. Useless.
All I know is everyone we have appointed since MON has been an unmitigated disaster. One day we will appoint someone who isn't useless. Maybe it will be Bruce, maybe it won't. But
Basing it on people's cvs and types almost seems irrelevant. I can't see enough about
Bruce to make me either opposed to it or enthused by it. Hell either be good or just another step
On the way finding the guy who is good for us.
The 10th fence on the racecourse should not be uppermost in your mind, when you are approaching the first.
True but if your goal is to be in first place after the 10th fence then make sure you're not making that more difficult on yourself by only training the horse to jump 1 or 2 fences.
But Bruce has a good record, I don't get the issue?
I think Paul is planning ahead for the 10th fence which is 'finish high up in PL', whereas I am only able to focus on jumping the first for now, as if we don't our race is over.
I've never been a fan of so-called old style British football, big centre-forwards etc and would love to see a Villa team playing with the style Arsenal and Man City fans get spoilt with week in week out - so I'm not getting excited at the prospect of Steve Bruce being appointed.
BUT I've always respected what he has done and always found him a very likeable bloke. I imagine he'd be a good manager to play for - hard working, knows what he's doing, honest with his players, have their respect and be respectful of our club and us. He'll give it everything he's got, that's for sure.
A crucial area as always is who he chooses as his assistant and his coaches. All was going well at Blues until Mark Bowen left to join up with Mark Hughes at Blackburn, and he's not going to be in a position to bring his assistant from Hull with him. This has caught us out in the past with neither Tim Sherwood nor Remi Garde being able to bring their preferred assistants with them.
Good luck Steve if you get the job.
I'm fairly concerned about not getting over the first hurdle and falling into League 1.
Lots of us said last season that Sherwood was the problem and not the players, and that a coach with half a brain could come in and we'd be OK. For me the squad this season has 1 good CB, average fullbacks and a poor set of midfield options.
Not willing him to fail and not even expecting him too this season but I don't think he has any role longer than 18 months and I don't like the idea of taking on a manager who plays a style that won't be a success where we want to be without at least trying to find someone who could still have a place with us in the premier league.
Are we talking about Bruce? He's had 4 jobs in the last 15 years, including 6 years at our beloved neighbours and has just finished 4 years at Hull.
Yes I'm talking about Bruce the manager who even his strongest advocates on here are saying 'when he gets us promoted then we can replace him with someone to improve us' about.
I wasn't inspired by Houllier but thought he would steady the ship. Experienced at the highest levels. But he was useless.
I thought Mcleish would be useless. He was.
I thought Lambert would be great for us. An up and coming British manager who had excelled in the lower leagues. Dare I say he was young and hungry. He was useless.
Sherwood, British laddish, I can't stand him but maybe he might get on with the players and...useless.
Change of direction, garde, cultured European, champions league experience. Useless.
Di Matteo, a pretty unique cv, experienced at championship and champions league level. Useless.
All I know is everyone we have appointed since MON has been an unmitigated disaster. One day we will appoint someone who isn't useless. Maybe it will be Bruce, maybe it won't. But
Basing it on people's cvs and types almost seems irrelevant. I can't see enough about
Bruce to make me either opposed to it or enthused by it. Hell either be good or just another step
On the way finding the guy who is good for us.
That's where I am with it too.
I'm fairly concerned about not getting over the first hurdle and falling into League 1.
Lots of us said last season that Sherwood was the problem and not the players, and that a coach with half a brain could come in and we'd be OK. For me the squad this season has 1 good CB, average fullbacks and a poor set of midfield options.
The midfield is our weak area but the rest are fine at this level imo. I think that we often still judge our squad by PL standards and not the utter garbage we play against at this level.
Not willing him to fail and not even expecting him too this season but I don't think he has any role longer than 18 months and I don't like the idea of taking on a manager who plays a style that won't be a success where we want to be without at least trying to find someone who could still have a place with us in the premier league.
Are we talking about Bruce? He's had 4 jobs in the last 15 years, including 6 years at our beloved neighbours and has just finished 4 years at Hull.
Yes I'm talking about Bruce the manager who even his strongest advocates on here are saying 'when he gets us promoted then we can replace him with someone to improve us' about.
Fair enough, fan expectations are one thing, but it's clearly not true to say he only stays somewhere 18 months. Viewing his results as a whole objectively, I think his promotions and decent finishes with the likes of Wigan and Blues show that he shouldn't be an unmitigated disaster.
Like a few others on here, I'm now resigned to us getting Bruce and I'll get behind him and the team like I always have. But it's a poor appointment in my opinion lacking in imagination and vision. I'm also sick of hearing how he's got experience in getting teams promoted from this league. IMO it's a shite league with shite players and shite managers.Allan what exactly is it that you want from our next manager? For me they simply get us promoted as you point out the teams we've played are not great but we're not winning. Right now with the managers available the most likely candidate to sort us out and get us up this league is Steve Bruce. Vision is over rated and will keep till we're back in the top flight.
If we'd been battered by teams regularly I'd share the concerns but the truth is that we've thrown away lots of points by running out of gas late in games and getting caught by a sucker punch. Fix that and we'd be around the playoffs, not the position of a team that is so fundamentally weak in midfield that they can't compete. The big issue for me was that RDM just couldn't see that the midfield were tiring and dropping deeper and deeper. Bring someone like Lyden on for half an hour and tell him to give it everything he can and challenge for every ball and you're halfway there.
I do want a midfielder or 2 but I honestly don't think it's massive talent black hole that some are suggesting.
I'm mellowing. If it's Bruce, it's Bruce.
Whoever the manager is to be (and its looking pretty much nailed on Bruce) they are at least inheriting a decent squad to work with, even if their fitness levels need work.
I wonder however why it is taking so long with Bruce as he is a free agent. Surely they saw the writing on the wall with RDM and would have started the process of sounding people out before him biting the bullet?
I know Bruce is limited and I know his limits could still see him successfully get us at least into the play offs. My biggest issue is that I, like many thousands sang, "sit down potato head" at every visit to VP - I feel a real hypocrite now thinking I will support him as if nothing happened before. The other worry is that a huge part of his career so far was with Eric Black, and we certainly don't want that clown back
The noses that I know are dreading Brucie getting the job and they all think he will be a big success at Villa Park.
If it pisses them off then I'm all for it.
Whoever the manager is to be (and its looking pretty much nailed on Bruce) they are at least inheriting a decent squad to work with, even if their fitness levels need work.
I wonder however why it is taking so long with Bruce as he is a free agent. Surely they saw the writing on the wall with RDM and would have started the process of sounding people out before him biting the bullet?
I know Bruce is limited and I know his limits could still see him successfully get us at least into the play offs. My biggest issue is that I, like many thousands sang, "sit down potato head" at every visit to VP - I feel a real hypocrite now thinking I will support him as if nothing happened before. The other worry is that a huge part of his career so far was with Eric Black, and we certainly don't want that clown back
How about Wagner, Rowett, Smith and Johnson for starters. They have only fallen out of the posts because it looks like a done deal and those of us who think we should be trying to do better are accused of snivelling.
How about Wagner, Rowett, Smith and Johnson for starters. They have only fallen out of the posts because it looks like a done deal and those of us who think we should be trying to do better are accused of snivelling.
Whoever the manager is to be (and its looking pretty much nailed on Bruce) they are at least inheriting a decent squad to work with, even if their fitness levels need work.I think they had to look at other options and also once they identified it was to be Bruce he might have certain personnel demands. I'm sure Atkins joining isn't just coincidental and they might be looking to secure Agnew. But I imagine this will all be done by Wednesday and Bruce is already looking at DVDs of our players and performances from this season.
I wonder however why it is taking so long with Bruce as he is a free agent. Surely they saw the writing on the wall with RDM and would have started the process of sounding people out before him biting the bullet?
I know Bruce is limited and I know his limits could still see him successfully get us at least into the play offs. My biggest issue is that I, like many thousands sang, "sit down potato head" at every visit to VP - I feel a real hypocrite now thinking I will support him as if nothing happened before. The other worry is that a huge part of his career so far was with Eric Black, and we certainly don't want that clown back
How about Wagner, Rowett, Smith and Johnson for starters. They have only fallen out of the posts because it looks like a done deal and those of us who think we should be trying to do better are accused of snivelling.
Rowett wouldn't come mid season. Johnson &Wagner have both ruled themselves out and frankly would have been a pretty big gamble anyway. Dean Smith would be a possibility I guess, but surely Bruce is the safer option?
I want a manager who will do more than just get us promotion and then we dispense with him because he's tactically limited in the PL. I want a manager who will develop a style of football that will be recognised as the Villa way. For me, Bruce's only real attribute is he's available and has a history of promotion from, as we both agree, a poor league. I understand that our pull to prospective managers has diminished due to the shocking way the club has been run but if we want to reverse the decline surely now is the time to start.Like a few others on here, I'm now resigned to us getting Bruce and I'll get behind him and the team like I always have. But it's a poor appointment in my opinion lacking in imagination and vision. I'm also sick of hearing how he's got experience in getting teams promoted from this league. IMO it's a shite league with shite players and shite managers.Allan what exactly is it that you want from our next manager? For me they simply get us promoted as you point out the teams we've played are not great but we're not winning. Right now with the managers available the most likely candidate to sort us out and get us up this league is Steve Bruce. Vision is over rated and will keep till we're back in the top flight.
How about Wagner, Rowett, Smith and Johnson for starters. They have only fallen out of the posts because it looks like a done deal and those of us who think we should be trying to do better are accused of snivelling.
Rowett wouldn't come mid season. Johnson &Wagner have both ruled themselves out and frankly would have been a pretty big gamble anyway. Dean Smith would be a possibility I guess, but surely Bruce is the safer option?
That's why I hope our owner never seeks the advice of supporters when appointing a manager. I haven't accused anybody of 'snuivelling' and can't say I've noticed anybody else doing so, I honestly can't see how any of the names mentioned would be a better appointment than Bruce. I keep seeing his sides play 'hoofball' (they don't) and dour football,all those wanting Rowett have watched the type of free flowing, entertaining football his sides play I take it?
The 10th fence on the racecourse should not be uppermost in your mind, when you are approaching the first.
True but if your goal is to be in first place after the 10th fence then make sure you're not making that more difficult on yourself by only training the horse to jump 1 or 2 fences.
But Bruce has a good record, I don't get the issue?
Bruce has a good record if you rarely watch his teams play and if you ignore the bad bits of it.
My problem with Bruce is that, even if we have a huge spike in enjoyment for one season and go up, we'll flatline again the next with boring, pointless, drawing football in the lower half of the Premier League.
I wasn't inspired by Houllier but thought he would steady the ship. Experienced at the highest levels. But he was useless.
I thought Mcleish would be useless. He was.
I thought Lambert would be great for us. An up and coming British manager who had excelled in the lower leagues. Dare I say he was young and hungry. He was useless.
Sherwood, British laddish, I can't stand him but maybe he might get on with the players and...useless.
Change of direction, garde, cultured European, champions league experience. Useless.
Di Matteo, a pretty unique cv, experienced at championship and champions league level. Useless.
All I know is everyone we have appointed since MON has been an unmitigated disaster. One day we will appoint someone who isn't useless. Maybe it will be Bruce, maybe it won't. But
Basing it on people's cvs and types almost seems irrelevant. I can't see enough about
Bruce to make me either opposed to it or enthused by it. Hell either be good or just another step
On the way finding the guy who is good for us.
My problem with Bruce is that, even if we have a huge spike in enjoyment for one season and go up, we'll flatline again the next with boring, pointless, drawing football in the lower half of the Premier League.
Then we sack him and get someone else, that's how it works. I'll eat my own shit if whoever comes in as our new manager lasts more than 2 years. How many current Premier League mangers have held their post for more than 2 years? I'll take Bruce to get us out of the division and worry about our Champions League prospects when we're in the right division. And there'd certainly more chance of us getting some of the big-name managers that have been mentioned on here.
My problem with Bruce is that, even if we have a huge spike in enjoyment for one season and go up, we'll flatline again the next with boring, pointless, drawing football in the lower half of the Premier League.
Then we sack him and get someone else, that's how it works. I'll eat my own shit if whoever comes in as our new manager lasts more than 2 years. How many current Premier League mangers have held their post for more than 2 years? I'll take Bruce to get us out of the division and worry about our Champions League prospects when we're in the right division. And there'd certainly more chance of us getting some of the big-name managers that have been mentioned on here.
But hiring the right manager is a big part of establishing a lasting club infrastructure, something we have the chance to do now. It's not about our 'Champions League' prospects or other such snark - it's about trying to avoid the short-termism and footballing cavemanism that's got us into this shit already.
I'm mellowing. If it's Bruce, it's Bruce.
I'll give him a chance. If he can get off to a good start, and beat those c***s from Bordesley while he's at it, he'll go a long way to winning over us doubters.
Why is Bruce worse than Warnock for you?
I see them as similar, get promoted - Sheffield Utd/QPR for Warnock - Blues/Hull for Bruce, and struggle in the PL - Warnock relegated Sheff Utd and got sacked from QPR - Bruce relegated Hull and eventually Blues after keeping them up for 4-5 years.
Chris Jameson, try page 171 Woofles the Wonder Dog's 8222nd post.
The really crucial mistake we made was in appointing McLeish.Plus we sold Young and Downing, who were pivotal to the way we played.
The Houllier year was bad in patches but we didn't stop trying to play football and towards the end we looked like we'd turned a corner.
His health problems were a massive blow, but at that point, had we appointed someone with a degree of continuity in terms of how we were trying to play, I am convinced we'd had stayed within touch of the top six the next year.
We looked like we wanted to by talking to Martinez.
Only to turn around and throw all the pain of the Houllier year, and any progress made, away and appoint McLeish, who favoured a totally different type of football.
That was the pivotal fucking awful decision which saw us as bottom feeders for five seasons.
It was like going to a restaurant, asking for the Waldorf Salad only to be told it wasn't available ("We're out of Waldorfs") and then saying "OK, then, I'll have the banana fritter".
Absolutely no continuity of thought whatsoever.
Even Nigel Adkins would be better. He did really well at Southampton and was important in helping the club get restructured, instilling an identity in their playing style etc.
Absolutely no continuity of thought whatsoever.
I always wonder why people keep on saying that football's a simple game when it's quite clearly not? If it were so simple, why are so many so shit at it?
I always wonder why people keep on saying that football's a simple game when it's quite clearly not? If it were so simple, why are so many so shit at it?
Football is simple though Monty, it's only the players that make it difficult. :)
I'm compartmentalizing my expectations right now. I'll worry about style after we start winning games because I've almost forgotten what that feels like.
I'm compartmentalizing my expectations right now. I'll worry about style after we start winning games because I've almost forgotten what that feels like.
Style *helps* to win games though. That's my point.
I'm compartmentalizing my expectations right now. I'll worry about style after we start winning games because I've almost forgotten what that feels like.
Style *helps* to win games though. That's my point.
Mr Wagner shares your point, Monty. He for some strange reason believes that the better you play, the more chance you have of winning a game.
I always wonder why people keep on saying that football's a simple game when it's quite clearly not? If it were so simple, why are so many so shit at it?It's the rules that are simple, and with a few jumpers and something spherical(ish) anyone can play it. Cheap and simple!
I always wonder why people keep on saying that football's a simple game when it's quite clearly not? If it were so simple, why are so many so shit at it?It's the rules that are simple, and with a few jumpers and something spherical(ish) anyone can play it. Cheap and simple!
Since Bruce Sunderland have done a very good impression of us for being an absolute turd of a club.On that notion so have we since MON left, however I wouldn't want him back.
I'm compartmentalizing my expectations right now. I'll worry about style after we start winning games because I've almost forgotten what that feels like.
Wagner may well turn out to be the next Juergen Klopp but I'd wager all those desperate for him now wouldn't have been able to name the Huddersfield manager until very recently.
Wagner may well turn out to be the next Juergen Klopp but I'd wager all those desperate for him now wouldn't have been able to name the Huddersfield manager until very recently.I wouldn't of had a clue. Saying that I'd never heard of most of our signings. Outside the realms of Villa Park my knowledge is very limited, probably less than our previous owner.
I'm compartmentalizing my expectations right now. I'll worry about style after we start winning games because I've almost forgotten what that feels like.
Style *helps* to win games though. That's my point.
Mr Wagner shares your point, Monty. He for some strange reason believes that the better you play, the more chance you have of winning a game.
They were truly shocking and very lucky against us. How many chances did we have?I'm compartmentalizing my expectations right now. I'll worry about style after we start winning games because I've almost forgotten what that feels like.
Style *helps* to win games though. That's my point.
Mr Wagner shares your point, Monty. He for some strange reason believes that the better you play, the more chance you have of winning a game.
You seen them much? Only time I've seen them is against us and for an hour it was like watching Lambert's Villa only worse.
looking at the % at the top of the thread, I am encouraged that us villa fans in the main are positive about BFS (not so fat now though with seeing him Saturday on the tv) and therefore we are intelligent enough to know that with the high profile games weve got this month "if" things don't go "our" way we are not going to start with the shit that some on here seem to be salivating for. UTV
I'm compartmentalizing my expectations right now. I'll worry about style after we start winning games because I've almost forgotten what that feels like.
Style *helps* to win games though. That's my point.
Mr Wagner shares your point, Monty. He for some strange reason believes that the better you play, the more chance you have of winning a game.
You seen them much? Only time I've seen them is against us and for an hour it was like watching Lambert's Villa only worse.
They were truly shocking and very lucky against us. How many chances did we have?I'm compartmentalizing my expectations right now. I'll worry about style after we start winning games because I've almost forgotten what that feels like.
Style *helps* to win games though. That's my point.
Mr Wagner shares your point, Monty. He for some strange reason believes that the better you play, the more chance you have of winning a game.
You seen them much? Only time I've seen them is against us and for an hour it was like watching Lambert's Villa only worse.
Have you tried some new material?
looking at the % at the top of the thread, I am encouraged that us villa fans in the main are positive about BFS (not so fat now though with seeing him Saturday on the tv) and therefore we are intelligent enough to know that with the high profile games weve got this month "if" things don't go "our" way we are not going to start with the shit that some on here seem to be salivating for. UTV
They're not positive though are they? They just prefer Bruce to Clarke which is saying very little. I don't want Clarke but i still voted for him over Bruce.
There's such a fine line between failure and success.
looking at the % at the top of the thread, I am encouraged that us villa fans in the main are positive about BFS (not so fat now though with seeing him Saturday on the tv) and therefore we are intelligent enough to know that with the high profile games weve got this month "if" things don't go "our" way we are not going to start with the shit that some on here seem to be salivating for. UTV
They're not positive though are they? They just prefer Bruce to Clarke which is saying very little. I don't want Clarke but i still voted for him over Bruce.
sorry beggar, it does "wh o do YOU want" so I think it is positive, whats your problem with the proposed appointment. UTV
looking at the % at the top of the thread, I am encouraged that us villa fans in the main are positive about BFS (not so fat now though with seeing him Saturday on the tv) and therefore we are intelligent enough to know that with the high profile games weve got this month "if" things don't go "our" way we are not going to start with the shit that some on here seem to be salivating for. UTV
They're not positive though are they? They just prefer Bruce to Clarke which is saying very little. I don't want Clarke but i still voted for him over Bruce.
sorry beggar, it does "wh o do YOU want" so I think it is positive, whats your problem with the proposed appointment. UTV
He's crap and if he doesn't get us up this season which is the ONLY reason RDM was sacked, then he's pointless.
Brian, I agree about Rowett 100%, but do you really think he'd get the backing from fans coming straight from there? Bruce left them ten years ago and he's still viewed as the anti-Christ by many. The 'unproven/club too big' tag would be thrown at both Wagner and Johnson and I'll be honest and confess I don't know which Smith you refer to! I wanted Warnock, which was obviously not well received but it's all about opinions...
EDIT - Just realised. Dean Smith.
Brian, I agree about Rowett 100%, but do you really think he'd get the backing from fans coming straight from there? Bruce left them ten years ago and he's still viewed as the anti-Christ by many. The 'unproven/club too big' tag would be thrown at both Wagner and Johnson and I'll be honest and confess I don't know which Smith you refer to! I wanted Warnock, which was obviously not well received but it's all about opinions...
EDIT - Just realised. Dean Smith.
I really don't think Bruce's previous employer is anything to do with it. It's just underwhelming. And as many have said, stealing something of value from them would be considered a victory. I think Rowett would be an immediate hero just for leaving them in the lurch and coming to us. Sadly, he won't be coming.
Brian, I agree about Rowett 100%, but do you really think he'd get the backing from fans coming straight from there? Bruce left them ten years ago and he's still viewed as the anti-Christ by many. The 'unproven/club too big' tag would be thrown at both Wagner and Johnson and I'll be honest and confess I don't know which Smith you refer to! I wanted Warnock, which was obviously not well received but it's all about opinions...
EDIT - Just realised. Dean Smith.
I really don't think Bruce's previous employer is anything to do with it. It's just underwhelming. And as many have said, stealing something of value from them would be considered a victory. I think Rowett would be an immediate hero just for leaving them in the lurch and coming to us. Sadly, he won't be coming.
The league is worse than I thought for what it's worth. Absolutely diabolical and devoid of any quality. It highlights RDM incompetence.
Bruce has been there done that, has a bit of profile, knows the league, unlikely to be pushed around or doubt himself.
Bruce has been there done that, has a bit of profile, knows the league, unlikely to be pushed around or doubt himself.
It will still be his biggest managerial job to date. Apart from Sunderland, all his other clubs have been piddly, piss pot, yo-yo clubs at best.
I'm wondering if there is a particular reason why you snidely refer to my hope and prediction that we'd brass the league up? SHQ is another whopper that takes delight in brining it up.
looking at the % at the top of the thread, I am encouraged that us villa fans in the main are positive about BFS (not so fat now though with seeing him Saturday on the tv) and therefore we are intelligent enough to know that with the high profile games weve got this month "if" things don't go "our" way we are not going to start with the shit that some on here seem to be salivating for. UTV
They're not positive though are they? They just prefer Bruce to Clarke which is saying very little. I don't want Clarke but i still voted for him over Bruce.
sorry beggar, it does "wh o do YOU want" so I think it is positive, whats your problem with the proposed appointment. UTV
He's crap and if he doesn't get us up this season which is the ONLY reason RDM was sacked, then he's pointless.
I'm hoping Bruce knows a piss-weak midfield when he sees one.
looking at the % at the top of the thread, I am encouraged that us villa fans in the main are positive about BFS (not so fat now though with seeing him Saturday on the tv) and therefore we are intelligent enough to know that with the high profile games weve got this month "if" things don't go "our" way we are not going to start with the shit that some on here seem to be salivating for. UTV
They're not positive though are they? They just prefer Bruce to Clarke which is saying very little. I don't want Clarke but i still voted for him over Bruce.
sorry beggar, it does "wh o do YOU want" so I think it is positive, whats your problem with the proposed appointment. UTV
He's crap and if he doesn't get us up this season which is the ONLY reason RDM was sacked, then he's pointless.
So maybe we shouldn't appoint anyone at all, if any manager not getting us up is pointless.
looking at the % at the top of the thread, I am encouraged that us villa fans in the main are positive about BFS (not so fat now though with seeing him Saturday on the tv) and therefore we are intelligent enough to know that with the high profile games weve got this month "if" things don't go "our" way we are not going to start with the shit that some on here seem to be salivating for. UTV
They're not positive though are they? They just prefer Bruce to Clarke which is saying very little. I don't want Clarke but i still voted for him over Bruce.
sorry beggar, it does "wh o do YOU want" so I think it is positive, whats your problem with the proposed appointment. UTV
He's crap and if he doesn't get us up this season which is the ONLY reason RDM was sacked, then he's pointless.
So maybe we shouldn't appoint anyone at all, if any manager not getting us up is pointless.
I said Bruce was pointless because that's it with him - promotion. You know you're not going to challenge for the premiership or build into a good side if you get up. He'll leave us not much better than we left - a lower premiership/upper championship team best case scenario like he left all his teams
I'm hoping Bruce knows a piss-weak midfield when he sees one.
He'll certainly get to see one on Saturday. We don't have a midfield. They're either injured or suspended with the exception of Pointy.
looking at the % at the top of the thread, I am encouraged that us villa fans in the main are positive about BFS (not so fat now though with seeing him Saturday on the tv) and therefore we are intelligent enough to know that with the high profile games weve got this month "if" things don't go "our" way we are not going to start with the shit that some on here seem to be salivating for. UTV
They're not positive though are they? They just prefer Bruce to Clarke which is saying very little. I don't want Clarke but i still voted for him over Bruce.
sorry beggar, it does "wh o do YOU want" so I think it is positive, whats your problem with the proposed appointment. UTV
He's crap and if he doesn't get us up this season which is the ONLY reason RDM was sacked, then he's pointless.
So maybe we shouldn't appoint anyone at all, if any manager not getting us up is pointless.
I said Bruce was pointless because that's it with him - promotion. You know you're not going to challenge for the premiership or build into a good side if you get up. He'll leave us not much better than we left - a lower premiership/upper championship team best case scenario like he left all his teams
Right, so there's no point in getting Bruce because he'll only get us promoted. Hmm.
On the plus side, the club seem to be taking their time this week, possibly as they have seen the fan reaction to the floated two, so hopefully spreading the net to other candidates.
On the plus side, the club seem to be taking their time this week, possibly as they have seen the fan reaction to the floated two, so hopefully spreading the net to other candidates.
I hope they don't take a blind bit of notice of what a handful of people are saying on the internet.
Especially if Twitter is his choice of input.On the plus side, the club seem to be taking their time this week, possibly as they have seen the fan reaction to the floated two, so hopefully spreading the net to other candidates.
I hope they don't take a blind bit of notice of what a handful of people are saying on the internet.
looking at the % at the top of the thread, I am encouraged that us villa fans in the main are positive about BFS (not so fat now though with seeing him Saturday on the tv) and therefore we are intelligent enough to know that with the high profile games weve got this month "if" things don't go "our" way we are not going to start with the shit that some on here seem to be salivating for. UTV
They're not positive though are they? They just prefer Bruce to Clarke which is saying very little. I don't want Clarke but i still voted for him over Bruce.
sorry beggar, it does "wh o do YOU want" so I think it is positive, whats your problem with the proposed appointment. UTV
He's crap and if he doesn't get us up this season which is the ONLY reason RDM was sacked, then he's pointless.
So maybe we shouldn't appoint anyone at all, if any manager not getting us up is pointless.
I said Bruce was pointless because that's it with him - promotion. You know you're not going to challenge for the premiership or build into a good side if you get up. He'll leave us not much better than we left - a lower premiership/upper championship team best case scenario like he left all his teams
Right, so there's no point in getting Bruce because he'll only get us promoted. Hmm.
If that's the be all and end all yes.
On the plus side, the club seem to be taking their time this week, possibly as they have seen the fan reaction to the floated two, so hopefully spreading the net to other candidates.
I hope they don't take a blind bit of notice of what a handful of people are saying on the internet.
Agreed I hope their judgement is better than that.
looking at the % at the top of the thread, I am encouraged that us villa fans in the main are positive about BFS (not so fat now though with seeing him Saturday on the tv) and therefore we are intelligent enough to know that with the high profile games weve got this month "if" things don't go "our" way we are not going to start with the shit that some on here seem to be salivating for. UTV
They're not positive though are they? They just prefer Bruce to Clarke which is saying very little. I don't want Clarke but i still voted for him over Bruce.
sorry beggar, it does "wh o do YOU want" so I think it is positive, whats your problem with the proposed appointment. UTV
He's crap and if he doesn't get us up this season which is the ONLY reason RDM was sacked, then he's pointless.
So maybe we shouldn't appoint anyone at all, if any manager not getting us up is pointless.
I said Bruce was pointless because that's it with him - promotion. You know you're not going to challenge for the premiership or build into a good side if you get up. He'll leave us not much better than we left - a lower premiership/upper championship team best case scenario like he left all his teams
Right, so there's no point in getting Bruce because he'll only get us promoted. Hmm.
If that's the be all and end all yes.
But you'd take Harry Redknapp? Ah, the premier league title is ours.
On the plus side, the club seem to be taking their time this week, possibly as they have seen the fan reaction to the floated two, so hopefully spreading the net to other candidates.
I hope they don't take a blind bit of notice of what a handful of people are saying on the internet.
Agreed I hope their judgement is better than that.
Both completely the wrong men. Bruce is not wrong for where we are.
Well the previous board ignored what people said on the internet when it came to McLeish & Sherwood. I am rather hoping Dr.X & crew are a bit more open minded in their process.
Unless Dyche learns to clear his throat I don't want him.
looking at the % at the top of the thread, I am encouraged that us villa fans in the main are positive about BFS (not so fat now though with seeing him Saturday on the tv) and therefore we are intelligent enough to know that with the high profile games weve got this month "if" things don't go "our" way we are not going to start with the shit that some on here seem to be salivating for. UTV
They're not positive though are they? They just prefer Bruce to Clarke which is saying very little. I don't want Clarke but i still voted for him over Bruce.
sorry beggar, it does "wh o do YOU want" so I think it is positive, whats your problem with the proposed appointment. UTV
He's crap and if he doesn't get us up this season which is the ONLY reason RDM was sacked, then he's pointless.
So maybe we shouldn't appoint anyone at all, if any manager not getting us up is pointless.
I said Bruce was pointless because that's it with him - promotion. You know you're not going to challenge for the premiership or build into a good side if you get up. He'll leave us not much better than we left - a lower premiership/upper championship team best case scenario like he left all his teams
Right, so there's no point in getting Bruce because he'll only get us promoted. Hmm.
Unless Dyche learns to clear his throat I don't want him.
Even though he's well known for his exciting football, managing huge clubs and never having been relegated?
Stop the quotathons as well please.
This is so me IanJ...my 9 year old has more knowledge of players/managers than me..I'm totally oblivious to it all!!Wagner may well turn out to be the next Juergen Klopp but I'd wager all those desperate for him now wouldn't have been able to name the Huddersfield manager until very recently.I wouldn't of had a clue. Saying that I'd never heard of most of our signings. Outside the realms of Villa Park my knowledge is very limited, probably less than our previous owner.
Pat Murphy reckons there could be another manager in the frame, one that's slipped under everybody's radar.
Paul e, without wanting to add to the already mass quotathon (and at the request of PWS), that's not quite what sick beggar said. He said it would be pointless even if he got us up because we wouldn't progress the season after, so I wasn't deliberately misunderstanding anything.
If it's Sean Dyce I would be a lot more excited. I just can't see him dropping down at this current time though.Why? What's he done that Bruce hasn't? I really don't get the hype.
If it's Sean Dyce I would be a lot more excited. I just can't see him dropping down at this current time though.Why? What's he done that Bruce hasn't? I really don't get the hype.
Paul e, without wanting to add to the already mass quotathon (and at the request of PWS), that's not quite what sick beggar said. He said it would be pointless even if he got us up because we wouldn't progress the season after, so I wasn't deliberately misunderstanding anything.
well yes in a way. This is a guy who people who actually want him on here are coldy discussing dumping him when we go up. I really don't see the point in going up and come next November being in the bottom three with a team full of Bruce's signings looking for the next guy. If pomotion is the goal in itself then fine, but I don't really fancy another 12 months next season getting hammered of the park before going back down. It's not planning and if you don't think the guy has it in him to do more than get us out of the league then it is pointless imo
Paul e, without wanting to add to the already mass quotathon (and at the request of PWS), that's not quite what sick beggar said. He said it would be pointless even if he got us up because we wouldn't progress the season after, so I wasn't deliberately misunderstanding anything.
well yes in a way. This is a guy who people who actually want him on here are coldy discussing dumping him when we go up. I really don't see the point in going up and come next November being in the bottom three with a team full of Bruce's signings looking for the next guy. If pomotion is the goal in itself then fine, but I don't really fancy another 12 months next season getting hammered of the park before going back down. It's not planning and if you don't think the guy has it in him to do more than get us out of the league then it is pointless imo
But you're talking as if that's definitely going to happen and it might not. You're just assuming it is.
Of course you have to take into consideration if we go up, Tony might sell the club, give Randy his pay off and trouser 40 or 50 million. New owners, new manager. Nobody is really secure in football.
Like I said, you're just suggesting what will happen in 12 months time. He might come in and do a very good job, he might not. Let's face it, not many on here expected us to be discussing a new manager after 11 games.
Like I said, you're just suggesting what will happen in 12 months time. He might come in and do a very good job, he might not. Let's face it, not many on here expected us to be discussing a new manager after 11 games.
well yeah. If bruce fails to do owt he may not get that himself
Like I said, you're just suggesting what will happen in 12 months time. He might come in and do a very good job, he might not. Let's face it, not many on here expected us to be discussing a new manager after 11 games.
well yeah. If bruce fails to do owt he may not get that himself
But you could say that about any manager. Dyche might come in and be a massive flop.
What else would we be employing him for?? The clubs only aim at the moment is to get promotionLike I said, you're just suggesting what will happen in 12 months time. He might come in and do a very good job, he might not. Let's face it, not many on here expected us to be discussing a new manager after 11 games.
well yeah. If bruce fails to do owt he may not get that himself
But you could say that about any manager. Dyche might come in and be a massive flop.
of course but i'd hope we wouldn't be employing him solely to get promotion which seem to be Bruce's only selling point on here at least
What else would we be employing him for?? The clubs only aim at the moment is to get promotionLike I said, you're just suggesting what will happen in 12 months time. He might come in and do a very good job, he might not. Let's face it, not many on here expected us to be discussing a new manager after 11 games.
well yeah. If bruce fails to do owt he may not get that himself
But you could say that about any manager. Dyche might come in and be a massive flop.
of course but i'd hope we wouldn't be employing him solely to get promotion which seem to be Bruce's only selling point on here at least
Brian, I agree about Rowett 100%, but do you really think he'd get the backing from fans coming straight from there? Bruce left them ten years ago and he's still viewed as the anti-Christ by many. The 'unproven/club too big' tag would be thrown at both Wagner and Johnson and I'll be honest and confess I don't know which Smith you refer to! I wanted Warnock, which was obviously not well received but it's all about opinions...
EDIT - Just realised. Dean Smith.
I really don't think Bruce's previous employer is anything to do with it. It's just underwhelming. And as many have said, stealing something of value from them would be considered a victory. I think Rowett would be an immediate hero just for leaving them in the lurch and coming to us. Sadly, he won't be coming.
So it's not about Bruce's former employers, but taking their manager off them would be a victory? A slight contradiction there I think.
is he?Yes, he did it with Blues and Hull
What else would we be employing him for?? The clubs only aim at the moment is to get promotionLike I said, you're just suggesting what will happen in 12 months time. He might come in and do a very good job, he might not. Let's face it, not many on here expected us to be discussing a new manager after 11 games.
well yeah. If bruce fails to do owt he may not get that himself
But you could say that about any manager. Dyche might come in and be a massive flop.
of course but i'd hope we wouldn't be employing him solely to get promotion which seem to be Bruce's only selling point on here at least
Don't agree. Our aim is to get promotion and stay up
is he?Yes, he did it with Blues and Hull
Paul e, without wanting to add to the already mass quotathon (and at the request of PWS), that's not quite what sick beggar said. He said it would be pointless even if he got us up because we wouldn't progress the season after, so I wasn't deliberately misunderstanding anything.
Brian, I agree about Rowett 100%, but do you really think he'd get the backing from fans coming straight from there? Bruce left them ten years ago and he's still viewed as the anti-Christ by many. The 'unproven/club too big' tag would be thrown at both Wagner and Johnson and I'll be honest and confess I don't know which Smith you refer to! I wanted Warnock, which was obviously not well received but it's all about opinions...
EDIT - Just realised. Dean Smith.
I really don't think Bruce's previous employer is anything to do with it. It's just underwhelming. And as many have said, stealing something of value from them would be considered a victory. I think Rowett would be an immediate hero just for leaving them in the lurch and coming to us. Sadly, he won't be coming.
So it's not about Bruce's former employers, but taking their manager off them would be a victory? A slight contradiction there I think.
Nope. The reason Bruce is not my choice has nowt to do with Blues, nor has the fact that Rowett IS my choice. The fact Rowett would be coming from them is an incidental and irrelevant bonus.
I don't think many people think it's very realistic this season. But he would seem to be a pretty good bet to achieve it next year if not this. Conversely, if they would come which they won't, Wagner & Johnson would seem huge gambles which if they go wrong could set us back another few seasons.Paul e, without wanting to add to the already mass quotathon (and at the request of PWS), that's not quite what sick beggar said. He said it would be pointless even if he got us up because we wouldn't progress the season after, so I wasn't deliberately misunderstanding anything.
Yeah, hands up it was me that seems to have misunderstood and he's taken the argument somewhere I wouldn't have. If Bruce gets us up this season then he'll have proven worthwhile, I just don't think he will.
I don't think many people think it's very realistic this season. But he would seem to be a pretty good bet to achieve it next year if not this. Conversely, if they would come which they won't, Wagner & Johnson would seem huge gambles which if they go wrong could set us back another few seasons.Paul e, without wanting to add to the already mass quotathon (and at the request of PWS), that's not quite what sick beggar said. He said it would be pointless even if he got us up because we wouldn't progress the season after, so I wasn't deliberately misunderstanding anything.Yeah, hands up it was me that seems to have misunderstood and he's taken the argument somewhere I wouldn't have. If Bruce gets us up this season then he'll have proven worthwhile, I just don't think he will.
Chris Hughton would have been the best choice - a bit of the old and a bit of the new - and has a record for building promotion teams and teams that stick in the Prem.
If it's Sean Dyce I would be a lot more excited. I just can't see him dropping down at this current time though.Why? What's he done that Bruce hasn't? I really don't get the hype.
That's a bit ridiculous. Pep would have his work cut out getting us promoted this season. But if he promotes us next season - still a failure?
If it's Sean Dyce I would be a lot more excited. I just can't see him dropping down at this current time though.Why? What's he done that Bruce hasn't? I really don't get the hype.
I think Dyche is still seen as up and coming despite being a manager for about 6 years now whereas the worry is Bruce might have seen better days in managerial terms, a bit like a few of our signings look like atm.
I think Dyche will want to prove he can keep Burnley up this season and then he should get an offer or two from premier league clubs higher up the league.
Edit: For anyone on this forum who still pines for the MON days (I see you waving at the back Russon) Sean Dyche is probably the closet their is in terms of managers out there who we could realistically attract, maybe not now but certainly if we went up.
His teams are pretty much always 4-4-2 with the wingers staying out very wide and encouraged to get in as many crosses as possible for a big targetman in Vokes and the quicker striker like Andre Gray so very similar to what we were doing for most of MON's 4 years.
He's shown he can work on a ridiculous budget aswell, Burnley have barely spent anything on both occasions they've been promoted, spent about 20m less than Bournemouth this summer to put things into perspective.
According to five live the panel have now recommended one candidate for approval by the Doctor within the next 24 hours.
More it gets close, more I think Bruce is the right man for the job. He has the experience to cope with the madness of this place. Anyone young and showing potential will be chewed up and spat out.
Brian, I agree about Rowett 100%, but do you really think he'd get the backing from fans coming straight from there? Bruce left them ten years ago and he's still viewed as the anti-Christ by many. The 'unproven/club too big' tag would be thrown at both Wagner and Johnson and I'll be honest and confess I don't know which Smith you refer to! I wanted Warnock, which was obviously not well received but it's all about opinions...
EDIT - Just realised. Dean Smith.
I really don't think Bruce's previous employer is anything to do with it. It's just underwhelming. And as many have said, stealing something of value from them would be considered a victory. I think Rowett would be an immediate hero just for leaving them in the lurch and coming to us. Sadly, he won't be coming.
So it's not about Bruce's former employers, but taking their manager off them would be a victory? A slight contradiction there I think.
Nope. The reason Bruce is not my choice has nowt to do with Blues, nor has the fact that Rowett IS my choice. The fact Rowett would be coming from them is an incidental and irrelevant bonus.
You can't say it would be a victory and a irrelevant bonus.
I can. Getting one over on them is a victory
Brian, I agree about Rowett 100%, but do you really think he'd get the backing from fans coming straight from there? Bruce left them ten years ago and he's still viewed as the anti-Christ by many. The 'unproven/club too big' tag would be thrown at both Wagner and Johnson and I'll be honest and confess I don't know which Smith you refer to! I wanted Warnock, which was obviously not well received but it's all about opinions...
EDIT - Just realised. Dean Smith.
I really don't think Bruce's previous employer is anything to do with it. It's just underwhelming. And as many have said, stealing something of value from them would be considered a victory. I think Rowett would be an immediate hero just for leaving them in the lurch and coming to us. Sadly, he won't be coming.
So it's not about Bruce's former employers, but taking their manager off them would be a victory? A slight contradiction there I think.
Nope. The reason Bruce is not my choice has nowt to do with Blues, nor has the fact that Rowett IS my choice. The fact Rowett would be coming from them is an incidental and irrelevant bonus.
You can't say it would be a victory and a irrelevant bonus.
I can. Getting one over on them is a victory, but it has nothing to do with why I want Rowett, so the victory is irrelevant and a bonus to my reasons for wanting him. Id still want him if he had done so well with a similar club with similar financial difficulties but then I would not have the irrelevant bonus of upsetting Blues fans. It's also really not very important.
I can. Getting one over on them is a victory
Really?
We're 19th in the Championship and people are turning their nose up at Bruce because all he'll offer us is promotion.......Jesus f'kin wept!Other fans browsing our board must be pissing themselves. It's embarrassing
We're 19th in the Championship and people are turning their nose up at Bruce because all he'll offer us is promotion.......Jesus f'kin wept!Other fans browsing our board must be pissing themselves. It's embarrassing
is he?Yes, he did it with Blues and Hull
and took them down again
We're 19th in the Championship and people are turning their nose up at Bruce because all he'll offer us is promotion.......Jesus f'kin wept!Other fans browsing our board must be pissing themselves. It's embarrassing
We're 19th in the Championship and people are turning their nose up at Bruce because all he'll offer us is promotion.......Jesus f'kin wept!Other fans browsing our board must be pissing themselves. It's embarrassing
You think its bad here, you should see Villatalk!
I would love someone to answer me this - Why are so many people convinced if Bruce gets us up he will hit his glass ceiling and need replacing?
How many clubs has he been at that have the financial clout, good organisation, fan base, academy and forward planning to be considered a genuine premier league club? Im talking Totenham, Everton, Stoke etc? I dont think any. Hull and Blues are small clubs that will come and go in the circle of the top division, Sunderland much like us have been badly run for years and are desperately need an overhaul. Much like us over the last 5 years, all of these clubs are one bad season away from going down every year. He is well regarded at blues for giving them the best years in their recent history
I think that at the right club, he could do what Moyes did at Everton or what mark Hughes has done at Stoke. People forget he is only 55, he should by rights be hitting his peak
I'd imagine they'd be enjoying our fans' desperate attempts to outdo each other in the misery and talking the club down stakes.
Many of the posts here could easily be from that lot.com.
Acceptance of mediocrity is a guaranteed step towards continued failure.How is choosing a manager with the best credentials to get us out of the shit quick and hopefully promoted accepting mediocrity?
Acceptance of mediocrity is a guaranteed step towards continued failure.How is choosing a manager with the best credentials to get us out of the shit quick and hopefully promoted accepting mediocrity?
We really are going round in circles here
It's not a question of turning our noses at Bruce..its a question of exploring all options and looking at the bigger picture. I'd settle for Bruce, it's just an appointment that I'm not overjoyed with.We're 19th in the Championship and people are turning their nose up at Bruce because all he'll offer us is promotion.......Jesus f'kin wept!Other fans browsing our board must be pissing themselves. It's embarrassing
Great, if we can get back up to being mediocre, then maybe we can push on and become half decent again?
Acceptance of mediocrity is a guaranteed step towards continued failure.How is choosing a manager with the best credentials to get us out of the shit quick and hopefully promoted accepting mediocrity?
We really are going round in circles here
Those who are stating, on an endless loop, that we need to get a "reality check", because we are nineteenth in the league, ignoring our colossal potential and wealth, are quite clearly accepting mediocrity.
I'm coming round to the idea of Steve Bruce. He wouldn't be my ideal choice but I can see the thinking behind it (which I couldn't with, say, the appointments of McLeish and Sherwood).
It doesn't mean I'm not bored to death with people reiterating our league position as if they are Holders of the Ultimate Truth and the only sages to have spotted that we've gone a bit shit lately.
It's not a question of turning our noses at Bruce..its a question of exploring all options and looking at the bigger picture. I'd settle for Bruce, it's just an appointment that I'm not overjoyed with.We're 19th in the Championship and people are turning their nose up at Bruce because all he'll offer us is promotion.......Jesus f'kin wept!Other fans browsing our board must be pissing themselves. It's embarrassing
Ridiculous isn't an over reaction. In my opinion that is exactly what your stance is. The point is we need to get back up this season or next. If we make another bad choice we may well continue to plummet and we just can't afford to do that. Right now, in the middle of a season where we are in free fall, taking a gamble on a manager (like Garde for instance) would be a massive risk. If Bruce can get us up in one or two seasons, then that is exactly what we need. Once we are stable, then can kick on from a more solid foundation.That's a bit ridiculous. Pep would have his work cut out getting us promoted this season. But if he promotes us next season - still a failure?
Yes, because if we have to take stock in this league for another season I want the team and style we tkae up with us to be a fair way along the road to being a good premier league side, I don't think Bruce can do that so for us to be in that sort of position at the start of 18-19 we need Bruce to get us up this year so we have a season to stabilise in the premier league. As I said it's harsh (ridiculous is an over-reaction though) but intentionally so, people are only interested because he has 4 promotions to his name so he has to be judged solely on that basis. Yes we're struggling a little but 4-5 wins on the trot and we're back in the mix for the play-offs, if he can't manage that between now and Christmas (and decent results outside that spell) with a squad that is, regardless of position, one of the 2-3 strongest in the league then he isn't the 'safe pair of hands' that so many see him to be.
It's not a question of turning our noses at Bruce..its a question of exploring all options and looking at the bigger picture. I'd settle for Bruce, it's just an appointment that I'm not overjoyed with.We're 19th in the Championship and people are turning their nose up at Bruce because all he'll offer us is promotion.......Jesus f'kin wept!Other fans browsing our board must be pissing themselves. It's embarrassing
We might have explored all the options, we don't know. And according to Pat Murphy, there may be a surprise in store, so take heart. Like cdbullyweefan, I'm hoping its either Pep Guardiola or Zeus.
Ridiculous isn't an over reaction. In my opinion that is exactly what your stance is. The point is we need to get back up this season or next. If we make another bad choice we may well continue to plummet and we just can't afford to do that. Right now, in the middle of a season where we are in free fall, taking a gamble on a manager (like Garde for instance) would be a massive risk. If Bruce can get us up in one or two seasons, then that is exactly what we need. Once we are stable, then can kick on from a more solid foundation.That's a bit ridiculous. Pep would have his work cut out getting us promoted this season. But if he promotes us next season - still a failure?
Yes, because if we have to take stock in this league for another season I want the team and style we tkae up with us to be a fair way along the road to being a good premier league side, I don't think Bruce can do that so for us to be in that sort of position at the start of 18-19 we need Bruce to get us up this year so we have a season to stabilise in the premier league. As I said it's harsh (ridiculous is an over-reaction though) but intentionally so, people are only interested because he has 4 promotions to his name so he has to be judged solely on that basis. Yes we're struggling a little but 4-5 wins on the trot and we're back in the mix for the play-offs, if he can't manage that between now and Christmas (and decent results outside that spell) with a squad that is, regardless of position, one of the 2-3 strongest in the league then he isn't the 'safe pair of hands' that so many see him to be.
It's not a question of turning our noses at Bruce..its a question of exploring all options and looking at the bigger picture. I'd settle for Bruce, it's just an appointment that I'm not overjoyed with.We're 19th in the Championship and people are turning their nose up at Bruce because all he'll offer us is promotion.......Jesus f'kin wept!Other fans browsing our board must be pissing themselves. It's embarrassing
We might have explored all the options, we don't know. And according to Pat Murphy, there may be a surprise in store, so take heart. Like cdbullyweefan, I'm hoping its either Pep Guardiola or Zeus.
Hmmmm... not too sure, they both sound a bit foreign to me.
It's not a question of turning our noses at Bruce..its a question of exploring all options and looking at the bigger picture. I'd settle for Bruce, it's just an appointment that I'm not overjoyed with.We're 19th in the Championship and people are turning their nose up at Bruce because all he'll offer us is promotion.......Jesus f'kin wept!Other fans browsing our board must be pissing themselves. It's embarrassing
We might have explored all the options, we don't know. And according to Pat Murphy, there may be a surprise in store, so take heart. Like cdbullyweefan, I'm hoping its either Pep Guardiola or Zeus.
Hmmmm... not too sure, they both sound a bit foreign to me.
Ah c'mon, Zeus would be perfect. Foreign, bearded, well regarded in Italy, and he's been in the game long enough to remember our last back-to-back wins.
Hades is used to the lower leagues, but where's your ambition, man? A big club like the Villa should go all out for Zeus. Maybe Hercules the Lion can put in a good word?
Hades is used to the lower leagues, but where's your ambition, man? A big club like the Villa should go all out for Zeus. Maybe Hercules the Lion can put in a good word?
Atlas gets my vote. Spent his whole career at the top.
Hades is used to the lower leagues, but where's your ambition, man? A big club like the Villa should go all out for Zeus. Maybe Hercules the Lion can put in a good word?
Atlas gets my vote. Spent his whole career at the top.
Not sure he always looks like he has the world on his shoulders in press conferences.
Great, if we can get back up to being mediocre, then maybe we can push on and become half decent again?
I would go hunting for Diana. After all, it is the club of our hearts.I think she stinks
I would go hunting for Diana. After all, it is the club of our hearts.
If we do appoint Bruce I think most would Bacchus to go up.
If we do appoint Bruce I think most would Bacchus to go up.
Brian, I agree about Rowett 100%, but do you really think he'd get the backing from fans coming straight from there? Bruce left them ten years ago and he's still viewed as the anti-Christ by many. The 'unproven/club too big' tag would be thrown at both Wagner and Johnson and I'll be honest and confess I don't know which Smith you refer to! I wanted Warnock, which was obviously not well received but it's all about opinions...
EDIT - Just realised. Dean Smith.
I really don't think Bruce's previous employer is anything to do with it. It's just underwhelming. And as many have said, stealing something of value from them would be considered a victory. I think Rowett would be an immediate hero just for leaving them in the lurch and coming to us. Sadly, he won't be coming.
So it's not about Bruce's former employers, but taking their manager off them would be a victory? A slight contradiction there I think.
Nope. The reason Bruce is not my choice has nowt to do with Blues, nor has the fact that Rowett IS my choice. The fact Rowett would be coming from them is an incidental and irrelevant bonus.
You can't say it would be a victory and a irrelevant bonus.
I can. Getting one over on them is a victory, but it has nothing to do with why I want Rowett, so the victory is irrelevant and a bonus to my reasons for wanting him. Id still want him if he had done so well with a similar club with similar financial difficulties but then I would not have the irrelevant bonus of upsetting Blues fans. It's also really not very important.
I can. Getting one over on them is a victory
Really?
But he says it's not realy very important stealing their manager but brings it up anyway. I'm not sure he actually knows what he's talking about.
It doesn't take much to move the market but Sean Dyche is being backed and is a sea of blue on oddschecker
I think I might prefer Bruce to Dyche as well, based on what I've seen. I can't discern much difference except that Bruce is more experienced.
we are only 10 points off a playoff place and 13 off the automatic places. With 35 games to go, I would say that they are not beyond reach as long as whoever the new manager is, is able to turn around our formbased on recent history, and the fact we haven't strung 2 or 3 wins together for what 2 or 3 years? its going to take a turnaround of biblical proportions to get anywhere near promotion this season.
By my reckoning the last time we won 3 league games in a row was April 2010. Portsmouth, Hull and sha.
By my reckoning the last time we won 3 league games in a row was April 2010. Portsmouth, Hull and sha.
It doesn't take much to move the market but Sean Dyche is being backed and is a sea of blue on oddschecker
Noticed that too. Wouldn't be a bad choice but I think I'd still prefer Bruce.
By my reckoning the last time we won 3 league games in a row was April 2010. Portsmouth, Hull and sha.
I watched 2 of those 3 games in the Big Bamboo in Shanghai. The only pub in my life where I have never seen Villa lose.
we are only 10 points off a playoff place and 13 off the automatic places. With 35 games to go, I would say that they are not beyond reach as long as whoever the new manager is, is able to turn around our formbased on recent history, and the fact we haven't strung 2 or 3 wins together for what 2 or 3 years? its going to take a turnaround of biblical proportions to get anywhere near promotion this season.
Sean Dyche sounds like the better option for me.
Let's hope Bruce is not another Sisyphus.
I had a conversation with a Burnley fan a while back. Apparently he is a demon for discipline on and off the pitch. The way they interact with fans, dress code, no wearing of baseball caps or headphones, even at the training ground.
His sort of iron discipline is what our pre-menstrual netball team girlies need.
Oh, and he lives in Northampton...
I had a conversation with a Burnley fan a while back. Apparently he is a demon for discipline on and off the pitch. The way they interact with fans, dress code, no wearing of baseball caps or headphones, even at the training ground.
His sort of iron discipline is what our pre-menstrual netball team girlies need.
Oh, and he lives in Northampton...
Sky also reporting that 'Steve Clarke will be in the dugout for Saturday'. Maybe a trial game? Think I'd rather just get Bruce now personally.
By my reckoning the last time we won 3 league games in a row was April 2010. Portsmouth, Hull and sha.
I watched 2 of those 3 games in the Big Bamboo in Shanghai. The only pub in my life where I have never seen Villa lose.
I'm willing to contribute a pound to the fund to send you back there :-)
Sky also reporting that 'Steve Clarke will be in the dugout for Saturday'. Maybe a trial game? Think I'd rather just get Bruce now personally.
Can he play in midfield instead of Westwood?
Just get Bruce in FFS.
Just get Bruce in FFS.
Agreed
Before Saturday?Just get Bruce in FFS.
Agreed
We have. We just haven't done the official announcement yet.
Re Dyche. No more impressive for me than Lambert was when he came here, with most of the same risks.
Why is the club dithering? Bruce has no ties with another club? Crazy.
Re Dyche. No more impressive for me than Lambert was when he came here, with most of the same risks.
He wanted to sign Westwood.
I'm not sure he's the bright, innovative modern thinking manager people make him out to be.
Re Dyche. No more impressive for me than Lambert was when he came here, with most of the same risks.
He wanted to sign Westwood.
I'm not sure he's the bright, innovative modern thinking manager people make him out to be.
Why is the club dithering? Bruce has no ties with another club? Crazy.
His back room team may have.
Re Dyche. No more impressive for me than Lambert was when he came here, with most of the same risks.
He wanted to sign Westwood.
I'm not sure he's the bright, innovative modern thinking manager people make him out to be.
Why is the club dithering? Bruce has no ties with another club? Crazy.
His back room team may have.
goals
Why is the club dithering? Bruce has no ties with another club? Crazy.
His back room team may have.
Bong!
Why is the club dithering? Bruce has no ties with another club? Crazy.
His back room team may have.
Bong!
Again you know this for certain?
Re Dyche. No more impressive for me than Lambert was when he came here, with most of the same risks.
He wanted to sign Westwood.
I'm not sure he's the bright, innovative modern thinking manager people make him out to be.
Did he say that, or is it made up stories that keep the transfer rumours thread running?
Why is the club dithering? Bruce has no ties with another club? Crazy.
His back room team may have.
Bong!
Again you know this for certain?
As certain as I can be. And that has carried the day 99 of 100 times in the past with stuff I have shared with people on here. I wouldn't share it otherwise.
Please God don't let it be Eric Black.
Not sure on names for the back room team but removing them from employment is gumming up the works.
Why is the club dithering? Bruce has no ties with another club? Crazy.
His back room team may have.
Bong!
Again you know this for certain?
As certain as I can be. And that has carried the day 99 of 100 times in the past with stuff I have shared with people on here. I wouldn't share it otherwise.
Please God don't let it be Eric Black.
To be honest, i'd be surprised if he wanted to come back here after last season.
Chinese manager, Ho Lee Fook. Supported by assistant Hoo flu NgDung
Not sure on names for the back room team but removing them from employment is gumming up the works.
Only one I really don't want is Bertschin. Mainly due to an irrational dislike to his face in pictures.
Please God don't let it be Eric Black.
there must be panic amongst some of our rivals, wondering if Bruce is recruiting a masterclass of dull defensive coachesYes, our rivals must be safe in the knowledge that no way could Bruce ever get us promoted
Chinese manager, Ho Lee Fook. Supported by assistant Hoo flu NgDung
Brian, the 1970's are on the phone. They want their racist jokes back please. ;-)
there must be panic amongst some of our rivals, wondering if Bruce is recruiting a masterclass of dull defensive coachesYes, our rivals must be safe in the knowledge that no way could Bruce ever get us promoted
Oh hang on......
Dr Tony via Twitter:
Scheduled to announce the new manager tomorrow! Time for all to stand together and back the team! Believe we've made the best try! #UTV
I'm reasonably happy with it being Bruce without jumping for joy about it. Get behind the bloke and it could work out well.
I'm reasonably happy with it being Bruce without jumping for joy about it. Get behind the bloke and it could work out well.
That is how I feel about as do most other Villa fans I have spoken to.
Murphy is saying Bruce.
I hope he has an assistant beyond Bertschin signed up. At Hull he had Agnew and Phelan, who are both well thought of coaches.
As a Villa fan I hope Bruce does well but it doesn't mean I have to like him, a bit like O'Leary.
Murphy is saying Bruce.
I hope he has an assistant beyond Bertschin signed up. At Hull he had Agnew and Phelan, who are both well thought of coaches.
It won't be Phelan will it
He just said on ITV that he's expecting a call tomorrow. He's in the frame but nothing agreed as yet.Nah! It's confirmed he just didn't want to say it's official as being announced tomorrow
Just listening to Pete Colley on SSN, anyone else like me think he sounded half pissed?Just heard it. Definitely
Dr Tony via Twitter:
Scheduled to announce the new manager tomorrow! Time for all to stand together and back the team! Believe we've made the best try! #UTV
Oh Bollocks
Dr Tony via Twitter:
Scheduled to announce the new manager tomorrow! Time for all to stand together and back the team! Believe we've made the best try! #UTV
Next 4 surely !!
Dr Tony via Twitter:
Scheduled to announce the new manager tomorrow! Time for all to stand together and back the team! Believe we've made the best try! #UTV
Oh Bollocks
We all get your fucking point that you don't want Bruce. You come across as a right bellend though.
Murphy is saying Bruce.His previous coach was the one and only Eric Black ...so beware.
I hope he has an assistant beyond Bertschin signed up. At Hull he had Agnew and Phelan, who are both well thought of coaches.
Would he leave Southampton to join us ? Surely notMurphy is saying Bruce.His previous coach was the one and only Eric Black ...so beware.
I hope he has an assistant beyond Bertschin signed up. At Hull he had Agnew and Phelan, who are both well thought of coaches.
I'm hearing we might be in for Steve Bruce.
#ITK.
I've got a friend who works in the potato industry.
I've got a friend who works in the potato industry.
Will Young has left Strictly, vacant Villa job, the stars are aligning!
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Will Young has left Strictly, vacant Villa job, the stars are aligning!
Apparently, he thought he'd better leave right now.
Big Nige as goalkeeper coach.He said on wm radio he would not take the job if offered. That was Monday & has been quoted on here a few times.