Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on April 26, 2016, 12:24:06 AMI think we should stop for Newcastle game so we can enjoy the new owner's first game and relegate Newcastle on the same day.No, you dont want that, if Newcastle come down with us they will almost certainly be looking for a new manager as well and will be a big threat to any chance we have of challenging for promotion next year.
I think we should stop for Newcastle game so we can enjoy the new owner's first game and relegate Newcastle on the same day.
Fair enough. I do though. They'll be looking to come to take the piss out of us, not our shitty bunch of players. And I hope we do everything possible to stop them.
Quote from: robbo1874 on April 26, 2016, 10:18:14 AMI'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match? I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them? It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on April 26, 2016, 10:27:40 AMQuote from: robbo1874 on April 26, 2016, 10:18:14 AMI'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match? I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them? It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.Yet you continue to advocate generating an atmosphere which makes this less likely?You have your view, but a lot of people disagree with you, including the acting manager. It's not about payers trying harder if you clap them, it's about them not having their confidence stripped from the moment they step on the pitch (and forget all that 'targeted booing shite - it is the general negativity effecting all players). They are afraid to receive the ball, to try anything positive for fear of making mistakes etc. You are quite right that clapping them won't suddenly make them a good team. But encouragement is far more likely to contribute to a better performance than booing. Surely you can't dispute that?
Quote from: peter w on April 25, 2016, 08:45:38 PMI really don't get what Bacuna has done wrong. He has made one unfortunate slip in a Dutch interview when we do not really know the context in which he made his comments and it has to be remembered Ajax are an absolute massive institution in Holland. The interview may have been drawing an answer from a young kid to a question he needn't have answered. Again, its all about the context. But who is Bacuna got to learn from at Villa? Who are the wiser calm heads? Bacuna's problem is his lack of confidence. Yes, he isn't brilliant by any means and is out of his depth at this level but he is a kid finding his feet who of course believes in his ability.When we were tearing into Tottenham at White Hart Lane for 10 minutes he was instrumental in getting tha going. He was superb for half an hour at Sunderland until their goal and then fell apart. He's a kid, with limited ability for the Premier League, he said a maybe innocent thing, who does try his hardest every week, who's confidence is shot. We shouldn't be booing him. We should try and give him as much of a boost by supporting him as possible. Him and all the others who aren't the piss takers. Bacuna isn't one of the piss takers.Enough is enough with the booing. It stops being funny, it stops justified, it stops being Aston Villa. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop sulking now. We know who the guilty ones are and its not at best mediocre young players out of their depth, but those that are cheating us.I couldn't agree more. So he said he wants to play in the Champions League one day. So what? If we're booing players for that then it's ridiculous.
I really don't get what Bacuna has done wrong. He has made one unfortunate slip in a Dutch interview when we do not really know the context in which he made his comments and it has to be remembered Ajax are an absolute massive institution in Holland. The interview may have been drawing an answer from a young kid to a question he needn't have answered. Again, its all about the context. But who is Bacuna got to learn from at Villa? Who are the wiser calm heads? Bacuna's problem is his lack of confidence. Yes, he isn't brilliant by any means and is out of his depth at this level but he is a kid finding his feet who of course believes in his ability.When we were tearing into Tottenham at White Hart Lane for 10 minutes he was instrumental in getting tha going. He was superb for half an hour at Sunderland until their goal and then fell apart. He's a kid, with limited ability for the Premier League, he said a maybe innocent thing, who does try his hardest every week, who's confidence is shot. We shouldn't be booing him. We should try and give him as much of a boost by supporting him as possible. Him and all the others who aren't the piss takers. Bacuna isn't one of the piss takers.Enough is enough with the booing. It stops being funny, it stops justified, it stops being Aston Villa. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop sulking now. We know who the guilty ones are and its not at best mediocre young players out of their depth, but those that are cheating us.