When does the Booing stop....

[Des Little]

We've got to find 25 wins from somewhere at least.
I'm looking forward to a re energized and powerful team with a winning mentality.

25 wins. In one season??

[Nunkin1965]

He's not helping his cause by making changes like Ayew for Gestede with 30 mins left. I honestly think that he left Bacuna on for his own safety!

[peter w]

he took over a team at the bottom who were woeful. He took over a team that the crowd had turned on. He had to deal with Gabby, and did, Okore, and did, Clark has been injured when he hasn't been playing very poorly so has had to rely on Lescott and Richards. Not ideal but inevitable. Drop Bacuna for who - Gil has been awful and lightweight, veretout looked promising for a spell but has dropped off alarmingly, Sanchez was injured and playing worse than ever when he returned, Adama injured but not trusted when fit, Grealish injured and mostly out of form, Sinclair poor for the majority of the season, Ayew the best of a bad bunch but let's be fair he's hardly set the world alight apart from the odd flash of brilliance and effort, Gana has run about with the ball with no end product, Gestede has been out of his depth, and the argument is that Black has made the team worse? No he hasn't. they're shit anyway. Why drop poor performers just to throw in even worse performers. He's looking at performances in training, attitude, and those that look like they have the bottle to face up to the crowd even when it's them being booed.

It's not Black that's the problem.

[Des Little]

I would guess we'd settle for anyone - and I mean anyone - other than that utter arsehole Bacuna.

[peter w]

haterz gonna hate

[Des Little]

For real, for real

[Salsa Party Animal]

I think we should stop for Newcastle game so we can enjoy the new owner's first game and relegate Newcastle on the same day.

[martin o`who??]

Its developed a life of its own and is turning the whole season into a complete Pantomime now, in some quarters - whether you agree with this or not - we are being seen as part of the problem, i would prefer the Newcastle game to be played out in Funereal silence with a Complete walk-out before the end. I am a bit concerned with how all this negativity is playing out in the minds of any prospective new owners.

[martin o`who??]

We've got to find 25 wins from somewhere at least.
I'm looking forward to a re energized and powerful team with a winning mentality.

25 wins. In one season??

In one lifetime would be nice just lately.

[martin o`who??]

I think we should stop for Newcastle game so we can enjoy the new owner's first game and relegate Newcastle on the same day.

No, you dont want that, if Newcastle come down with us they will almost certainly be looking for a new manager as well and will be a big threat to any chance we have of challenging for promotion next year.

[chrisw1]

Its developed a life of its own and is turning the whole season into a complete Pantomime now, in some quarters - whether you agree with this or not - we are being seen as part of the problem, i would prefer the Newcastle game to be played out in Funereal silence with a Complete walk-out before the end. I am a bit concerned with how all this negativity is playing out in the minds of any prospective new owners.

prospective owners, managers and players.

It has been commented all round how toxic the atmosphere is. Black has gone on record to say he is worried about chucking the kids into that atmosphere.  Peter W is quite right, you think it is targeted booing - this is bollocks, it is effecting everyone.It has become self perpetuating.  But you've paid your money so carry on if you want.  But don't kid yourself that you are not making matters worse, because the simple fact is you are.

[Witton Warrior]

It has been commented all round how toxic the atmosphere is. Black has gone on record to say he is worried about chucking the kids into that atmosphere.  Peter W is quite right, you think it is targeted booing - this is bollocks, it is effecting everyone.It has become self perpetuating.  But you've paid your money so carry on if you want.  But don't kid yourself that you are not making matters worse, because the simple fact is you are.

It is targeted booing - every young player who has appeared on the pitch has been cheered - every decent run has been cheered - if the booing effects them then the cheering should as well - the booing will stop at the end of this season.

[amfy]

It has been commented all round how toxic the atmosphere is. Black has gone on record to say he is worried about chucking the kids into that atmosphere.  Peter W is quite right, you think it is targeted booing - this is bollocks, it is effecting everyone.It has become self perpetuating.  But you've paid your money so carry on if you want.  But don't kid yourself that you are not making matters worse, because the simple fact is you are.

It is targeted booing - every young player who has appeared on the pitch has been cheered - every decent run has been cheered - if the booing effects them then the cheering should as well - the booing will stop at the end of this season.

I am not sure any player who we might be thinking of signing will see this quite the same way. They won't see the level of detail you can see. They aren't necessarily going to look at what our fans are doing and think they'd be OK here because they're not an arsehole. They will think this is how we treat players on a poor run of form. For a player outside the club, I'd say we look pretty demanding and unforgiving at the moment. Outsiders don't follow the whole story as closely as we do - just look at the 'foreign mercenaries' narrative playing out across the media for evidence of that.

Us, and a few pundits who look close enough, can see who we are singling out & why. Whether a new owner/manager/player would watch and listen to what went on on Saturday and think this is somewhere they would love to be, to is quite another matter.

I accept that some people find it 'fun' and 'cathartic', but I am equally sure that I'm not the only one who doesn't. Despite the team's more than obvious shortcomings (in talent and effort), it actually isn't them that are currently making me think twice about whether I want to go to the match at the moment. It's the toxic atmosphere that does that.

The right to boo seems somehow enshrined in football law, but it isn't as easy as 'You support how you want to and I'll support how I want to' - Whether I like it or not, I support my team in the atmosphere created by other people, and I really don't like it, and the sooner it changes the better for me.

[chrisw1]

It has been commented all round how toxic the atmosphere is. Black has gone on record to say he is worried about chucking the kids into that atmosphere.  Peter W is quite right, you think it is targeted booing - this is bollocks, it is effecting everyone.It has become self perpetuating.  But you've paid your money so carry on if you want.  But don't kid yourself that you are not making matters worse, because the simple fact is you are.

It is targeted booing - every young player who has appeared on the pitch has been cheered - every decent run has been cheered - if the booing effects them then the cheering should as well - the booing will stop at the end of this season.

Targeted booing?  Tell that to Eric Black who has said he has concerns about throwing young players into that atmosphere.  Tell that to Jordan Ayew and other players we may want or need to keep who are probably;y thinking 'fuck this I can't wait to get away from this lot.'  Tell this to prospective owners who may be thinking I don't fancy working with those fans.  Tell this to prospective managers who may be having second thoughts.  Tell this to potential new players who may be thinking bloody hell I don't fancy that place.  Tell this to the players on the field who are already bereft of confidence and are scared to touch the ball.

You may think it is targeted but the reality is that it effects the atmosphere as a whole.  At best it is achieving nothing - the message was made loud and clear some time ago- and at worst is damaging the club.  As I said, fuck it, carry on as you've paid your money and obviously you know best.  But stop kidding yourself about this - you are doing no favours to the team or club. 

[scott arms]

There should be a crescendo of boos as we approach the final whistle against newscastle. We should boo every villa player when they are on the ball,  apart from any youth player making an appearance,  we should cheer them.