That Gestede Throw In

[aj2k77]

Where's the spirit of the game when players dive and we concede penalties? Where's the spirit of the game when referee's blatantly favour one side over the other? Bollocks to Man City, if it takes a bit of gamesmanship to get a fire going in the players bellies than so be it. We've been on the wrong end of the stick for years with decisions and refs, we never put it on a plate for Hart to do what he wanted to do? So what, it's our home ground, we're not here to make Joe Hart happy, you got the ball back and couldn't control it, I'd have throw it back at him head height. Sick of losing and sick of being a push over, long may it continue, play by the rules but don't make it easy for them.

[peter w]

if he didn't want him to have the ball back  he shouldn't have thrown it back to him, just be honest about it

He didn't throw it back to him - he threw it out for a goal-kick. Perfectly honest.

It's not Gestede's fault that Hart wanted to try and keep the ball in play rather than just accepting the goal-kick.

yes I can see what your saying now,
I didn't fully understand where you were coming from at first (my fault)
if that is indeed what happened then I agree that's fair enough

I just saw Gestede throwing the ball quite hard at Hart and running straight after it, but I'm happy to go with your reading of it if that's what happened

And don't get me wrong - if that's not what he was planning and he thought "I'm going to launch this as hard as I can so it bounces off him and we get a corner", then I'd fully agree with your original thought that it was an extremely dickish thing to do.

The way he chased it down it certainly looks like that was in his thinking - or at least I'm going to pressure him and hope he makes a mistake.  Which isn't really in the spirit of giving the ball back in the first place.

It took a split second from Gestede launching it for it to go out for a corner. Other than his momentum following the line of the ball I'm not sure where you've picked up on this Usain Bolt turn of speed from Gestede.

[Monty]

I also don't see what's so sporting about throwing money at our best midfielder two years in a row only to sit them on the bench or play them out of position, solely to weaken us when we were one of their rivals.

[PeterWithesShin]

[aj2k77]

Let's be honest here, Man City are angry that we didn't roll over and give them another soft three points, they couldn't really give a shit about a miss controlled pass. Big tits.

[fredm]

The way he chased it down it certainly looks like that was in his thinking - or at least I'm going to pressure him and hope he makes a mistake.  Which isn't really in the spirit of giving the ball back in the first place.
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I think if Hart had not moved to try and intercept the ball and instead had watched it go over the goal line, then Gestede wouldn't have moved towards him. The fact that he saw Hart going to stop the ball and instinctively moved towards him to make a challenge.

[Steve R]

When  the ball was put out of play there wasn't a Villa player in sight - they were in formation a lot further up the pitch. Gestede's problem is that if Hart plays the ball, he (Gestede) is left high and dry with the team already down to 10 men. He did exactly the right thing in trying for the goal kick and then looking to close Hart down when the goalkeeper tried to keep the ball alive.

If anyone was playing the raw prawn it was Hart, he got exactly what he deserved.

What helped to do Hart was the fact that the ball skipped to his left when it bounced. Pretty impressive of Gestede to bowl a pacey off break with a football. If only he was as accomplished when trying to kick the bloody thing.

[themossman]

When Henry scored that quick free kick against us a few years ago, my main thought was not that he'd brought the moral fibre of the game into question. I mainly wished we had a player that quick thinking, ruthless and skilful.

[john e]

Where's the spirit of the game when players dive and we concede penalties? Where's the spirit of the game when referee's blatantly favour one side over the other? Bollocks to Man City, if it takes a bit of gamesmanship to get a fire going in the players bellies than so be it. We've been on the wrong end of the stick for years with decisions and refs, we never put it on a plate for Hart to do what he wanted to do? So what, it's our home ground, we're not here to make Joe Hart happy, you got the ball back and couldn't control it, I'd have throw it back at him head height. Sick of losing and sick of being a push over, long may it continue, play by the rules but don't make it easy for them.

that's not really the debate though,

your point would be better summed up by saying lets not bother throwing the ball back to the opposition lets just keep it and keep the advantage which we have every right to do
obviously every team that played us will then do the same so it would even out I suppose

[Pat McMahon]

It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.

yes

Which is pretty much what Jenas said on MOTD last night.

I thought everybody was wrong and it was a foul throw, so City should have had a throw in.

[Brend'Watkins]

When Henry scored that quick free kick against us a few years ago, my main thought was not that he'd brought the moral fibre of the game into question. I mainly wished we had a player that quick thinking, ruthless and skilful.

I agree and I still thought cheating c***.

In hindsight I really wish Rudy had launched the ball high at the goal just out of Hart's reach which resulted in Hart palming it into the net due to his reluctance to let the ball go out of play. 

[Brend'Watkins]

It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.

yes

Which is pretty much what Jenas said on MOTD last night.

I thought everybody was wrong and it was a foul throw, so City should have had a throw in.

Officials rarely give foul throw ins anymore.  I did see one given yesterday though, unbelievably, against Man City.

[Dave]

It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.

yes

Which is pretty much what Jenas said on MOTD last night.

I thought everybody was wrong and it was a foul throw, so City should have had a throw in.

That would have been good gamesmanship - take a deliberate foul throw, giving Man City a throw of their own level with their own penalty area while we push up at them.

[PeterWithe]

It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.

yes

Which is pretty much what Jenas said on MOTD last night.

I thought everybody was wrong and it was a foul throw, so City should have had a throw in.

Officials rarely give foul throw ins anymore.  I did see one given yesterday though, unbelievably, against Man City.

Yes and the linesman then proceeded to do a rather camp dance involving tapping the sole of his boot to let everyone know both feet hadn't been on the floor.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.

yes

Which is pretty much what Jenas said on MOTD last night.

I thought everybody was wrong and it was a foul throw, so City should have had a throw in.

Officials rarely give foul throw ins anymore.  I did see one given yesterday though, unbelievably, against Man City.

Watching it from the Trinity (just after polishing off my foie gras cob) I don't think that was a foul throw Bren'd.
The linesman flagged a throw in to Villa, the Man City player got there first and picked it and threw it...the linesman then insisted on the Villa having the throw in. The ref didn't seem to know wtf was going on.