That Gestede Throw In

[Duncan Shaw]

Our most purposeful throw in for four years

Brilliant

[john e]

but if you want to be cynical as you say that's fair enough I just don't think you can do both like Gestede did

He didn't.

he did,
 he threw the ball back to Hart, then went chasing directly at the player before he had received it
if he didn't want him to have the ball back  he shouldn't have thrown it back to him, just be honest about it

[kippaxvilla2]

Panto season has started early.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of.  This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in.  Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life.  The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up. 

I disagree.  There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise.  You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.

With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error.  But I still agree with Keown on this one.  If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.

Kicking the ball out when a player goes down is a shit part of modern football. That and not celebrating when a player scores against an old club. We're not the fucking Corinthians

And what does a bit of sportsmanship cost us?  How does it detract from the game?  How can your seriously have a problem with it?  Footballers rarely set a good example in life and one of the few things they could do you want to stamp out for no good reason?  You sound like a dinosaur.

we were trying to do the right thing. Gestede told Hart what he was going to do and yet Hart wanted the ball, taking the Villa player out of the equation and launching it. We were giving the ball back. How many times must we do it until Man City ate happy. Hart fucked it up and the result was the corner. From there its game on.

Is the absolute, perfect, correct answer, peter w!

[Dave]

if he didn't want him to have the ball back  he shouldn't have thrown it back to him, just be honest about it

He didn't throw it back to him - he threw it out for a goal-kick. Perfectly honest.

It's not Gestede's fault that Hart wanted to try and keep the ball in play rather than just accepting the goal-kick.

[kippaxvilla2]

I thought it was quite noticeable that Hart himself didn't rant and rave about it.  My feeling was he knew he had screwed it up.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

I don't even know why this is being debated.  Hart was given the ball back and chose to try and control it being smart and completely failed.  It was his own fault.  Putting it out for a goalkick from the corner would have made no sense whatsoever and I for one would have celebrated wildly if Gestede had scored with the subsequent shot.  It is about time we started standing up for ourselves, stopped the fawning over these wonderful players in the tunnel, got into them like we did yesterday and showing people we can compete.  I didn't notice too many people jumping out of their commentary seats when Snake II dived trying to win a penalty for Citeh yesterday - Alan twatface Smith even said it was a penalty!

I think it may have been Chapman on MOTD2 last night who said of Snake II: "He dived." and no-one picked up on it iirc.

[Duncan Shaw]

I don't even know why this is being debated.  Hart was given the ball back and chose to try and control it being smart and completely failed.  It was his own fault.  Putting it out for a goalkick from the corner would have made no sense whatsoever and I for one would have celebrated wildly if Gestede had scored with the subsequent shot.  It is about time we started standing up for ourselves, stopped the fawning over these wonderful players in the tunnel, got into them like we did yesterday and showing people we can compete.  I didn't notice too many people jumping out of their commentary seats when Snake II dived trying to win a penalty for Citeh yesterday - Alan twatface Smith even said it was a penalty!

I think it may have been Chapman on MOTD2 last night who said of Snake II: "He dived." and no-one picked up on it iirc.

Think it was the commentator, they didn;t show it again afterwards I don't think.  If there was any contact, it was Sanke II treading on the merest tip of Ciaran's toe!

[aj2k77]

It was a terrible dive, the slightest brush of knee's coming together and he did what they always do when a top team is struggling in a game, go to ground and look for an escape route. He should have been booked for it.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

if he didn't want him to have the ball back  he shouldn't have thrown it back to him, just be honest about it

He didn't throw it back to him - he threw it out for a goal-kick. Perfectly honest.

It's not Gestede's fault that Hart wanted to try and keep the ball in play rather than just accepting the goal-kick.

Exactly...the purpose always being to give possession back to the team which had it before play stopped...not to give them an advantage, which is what Hart seemed to want...that Gestede gave the ball to him so he could launch it upfield, taking Gestede out of the game. Gestede followed the letter of the unwritten law and tried to give possession back to ManCiŁy by throwing it out for a goal kick. Hart fu*ked up. The end.
 

[Mr Speedy H]

If Hart wanted the ball at his feet then Gestede should have launched it towards the open goal mouth.

[Lsvilla]

I don't even know why this is being debated.  Hart was given the ball back and chose to try and control it being smart and completely failed.  It was his own fault.  Putting it out for a goalkick from the corner would have made no sense whatsoever and I for one would have celebrated wildly if Gestede had scored with the subsequent shot.  It is about time we started standing up for ourselves, stopped the fawning over these wonderful players in the tunnel, got into them like we did yesterday and showing people we can compete.  I didn't notice too many people jumping out of their commentary seats when Snake II dived trying to win a penalty for Citeh yesterday - Alan twatface Smith even said it was a penalty!

This i totally agree with

[MarkM]

I don't like all this nicey,nicey stuff that has crept into the game.

The ball at the end of the tunnel for the ref to pick up!
Shaking hands before the game, what a load of crap that is. Its supposed to be a bit of a conflict between two sides not an afternoon love in.
Putting the ball out if an actor (sorry player) falls over and wants a rest.
Giving the ball back after the above!

I think we need a little fire in the game, if some call it un-sportsman like then so be it as far as I am concerned.

[themossman]

There are two debates here.

Firstly, the specific Gestede throw in. I am on the side that believes he wasn't being clever and just aimed chuck it out for a goal kick and Hart dropped a knacker.

Secondly, an argument about sportsmanlike behaviour in football in general. On that point, I find it odd that people get worked up about some arbitrary social nicety like putting the ball out of touch, when the game is mainly played by openly money grubbing louts with often highly questionable views on women and driving under the influence, who routinely dive and hassle the ref for decisions in their favour.

Given we are where we are that and it's a game of fine margins, I want us to play as cynically as any team out there if it means a few extra points and stuff the alleged spirit of the game.

[darren woolley]

It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.