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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulTheVillan on November 08, 2015, 06:51:47 PM
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IMO Joe Hart fucked up. He could have left it and it went for a goal kick. But the cocky shit tried to be clever, fucked up and his precious team mates lost their cool.
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Storm in a tea cup
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We gave the ball back. Not our fault Hart cocked it up. Whining twats.
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I thought at the time, given Rudy was pointing just before the throw, that he planned to throw it out for a goal kick but Hart didn't realise, so intervened and promptly fucked it up.
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Fuck Hart, fuck city. Gestede did the right thing
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He did exactly what he was supposed to do. He did chuck it pretty hard though. Hart should have just left it.
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Hart shouldn't have try play it if he couldn't do it.
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I didn't notice it at the time but just seeing it now, it's clear that Rudy does indicate to Hart to move over, that along with the strength and the way in which Rudy ran back as though he was thinking it was a goal kick, we can only conclude that he just f'ed it up!!
.....Needless to say I was hoping he'd throw at the goal myself :)
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As my mate said at the time .." It was a bit naughty."
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I thought it was bloody hilarious.
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I too enjoyed the hilarity. Reckon I'd still be laughing now if we'd scored from the corner.
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fuck them. Hart was at fault trying to be clever
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Rudy did absolutely nothing wrong. Hart should stop worrying about dandruff and concentrate on goalkeeping. That touch made Brad Guzan look like Messi with a ball at his feet.
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It's not as if it cost them the game. I'm quite uncomfortable with the whole elaborate etiquette that's grown up around putting the ball out and giving it back. It's all bollocks and plenty of teams try to take advantage if they can. Rudy wasn't seeking to gain an advantage, Hart can piss off because it's our ball and we'll play it how we see fit.
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He fucked it up and could have let it go for a goal kick. But, who the fuck cares of Rudy threw it back on the bounce, just jump out of the way of it. Hart didn't make anything of it until his mates started to het lairy. About time we showed a bit of bite. Just a shame we didn't score off the corner.
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I thought at the time, given Rudy was pointing just before the throw, that he planned to throw it out for a goal kick but Hart didn't realise, so intervened and promptly fucked it up.
Pretty much this...I think Rudy was pointing to suggest "I'm going to throw it there"...ie near to the corner so it would take Hart longer to retrieve it before he took the goal kick.
Hart tried to be clever and fu*ked up. That's his fault, not Gestede's.
Fu*k the fu*kers.
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That type of behavior has no place in modern football, and that behavior is giving the ball back.
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The only thing that bothered me was the fact that it cranked the opposition up just as they were starting to settle for a point. But evidently, being City, they weren't arsed enough to score.
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Hart is completely thick! Just let the ball go for a goal kick...duhh...dumbass!
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Fuck them.. Theyre owned by woman and homosexual hating, slave using ****** so fuck em again...
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If Rudy's shot from the resulting corner had gone it would've opened a can eof worms. The fans would say tough shit, Citeh would be claiming sportsmanship and a free run on goal and I wonder what Remi would've have done? First game in England, reputation at stake, against champions elect. Could've been interesting.
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If Rudy's shot from the resulting corner had gone it would've opened a can eof worms. The fans would say tough shit, Citeh would be claiming sportsmanship and a free run on goal and I wonder what Remi would've have done? First game in England, reputation at stake, against champions elect. Could've been interesting.
Makes you wonder which orifice Remi would have told them to shove it.
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Rudy pointed to the box telling Hart to get in his box and he was more than happy to throw the ball out for a goal kick. Hart wanted to try and capitalise on the fact we were a man down so just stood where he was to try and get to the ball and break quickly, so Rudy fucked the ball at him and won us a corner.
Funny as fuck, I'd have died of laughter if we'd have scored from that corner.
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Hey Remi, what's the French for get to fuck you whinging City twats?
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Well I bloody loved it. i just wish we'd scored!
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It was an odd incident all round, as Gestede seemed to gesture to Hart where he intended to throw the ball; the throw-in was actually a foul throw, as Gestede had a foot off the ground when he threw the ball; Gestede started to run hard in Hart's direction as soon as he threw; and threw the ball much harder than Hart had expected (been led to expect?).
I don't get this kicking the ball into touch simply because a player is on the ground; a few years ago it cost West Ham the FA Cup final v Liverpool. In this instance though, it probably wasn't Gestede's finest moment in a Villa shirt (not that there's a long list of them).
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Rudy pointed to the box telling Hart to get in his box and he was more than happy to throw the ball out for a goal kick. Hart wanted to try and capitalise on the fact we were a man down so just stood where he was to try and get to the ball and break quickly, so Rudy fucked the ball at him and won us a corner.
Funny as fuck, I'd have died of laughter if we'd have scored from that corner.
Yeah that's exactly how I saw it.
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Gestede did absolutely nothing wrong.
Told Hart to get back in the box and he was throwing it out for a goal kick.
The only person at fault is Hart for trying to a. be a clever ****** and b. take advantage of it.
What a twat.
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Rudy pointed to the box telling Hart to get in his box and he was more than happy to throw the ball out for a goal kick. Hart wanted to try and capitalise on the fact we were a man down so just stood where he was to try and get to the ball and break quickly, so Rudy fucked the ball at him and won us a corner.
Funny as fuck, I'd have died of laughter if we'd have scored from that corner.
Agreed, what the dandruff one wanted was for Rudy to throw the ball to him so he could immediately launch upfield whilst we had a man down and a centre forward isolated and in an offside position if the ball came back.
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I too enjoyed the hilarity. Reckon I'd still be laughing now if we'd scored from the corner.
That would have been brilliant
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It was an odd incident all round, as Gestede seemed to gesture to Hart where he intended to throw the ball; the throw-in was actually a foul throw, as Gestede had a foot off the ground when he threw the ball; Gestede started to run hard in Hart's direction as soon as he threw; and threw the ball much harder than Hart had expected (been led to expect?).
I don't get this kicking the ball into touch simply because a player is on the ground; a few years ago it cost West Ham the FA Cup final v Liverpool. In this instance though, it probably wasn't Gestede's finest moment in a Villa shirt (not that there's a long list of them).
what did you want rudi to do? lob it back to hart who then launches a quick counter attack?
fuck em
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It's a side of us we are normally shit at... We are too nice. We were giving them the ball back via a goal kick, as opposed to teeing it up for Hart to launch another attack. Well done Rudy. We also wasted time with subs and goal kicks and managed to get a point. More of the same please lads.
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Hart wanted to keep the ball in play, Gestede wanted to put it put for a goal kick and stood his ground. He gestured to Hart what he wanted to do and tried to do it. It was Hart who muddied the waters by moving to his right to play an awkwardly bouncing and pacey ball.
I suppose we should go with the accepted practice for such things give the ball back, but we are well within our rights to give it up on our own terms. Gestede did the right thing, it's hardly our fault that Hart is as thick as pigshit.
The end result - Gestede puts the ball over the goal line for a goal kick, taken by Hart. Fuck off FC Human Rights.
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It was an odd incident all round, as Gestede seemed to gesture to Hart where he intended to throw the ball; the throw-in was actually a foul throw, as Gestede had a foot off the ground when he threw the ball; Gestede started to run hard in Hart's direction as soon as he threw; and threw the ball much harder than Hart had expected (been led to expect?).
I don't get this kicking the ball into touch simply because a player is on the ground; a few years ago it cost West Ham the FA Cup final v Liverpool. In this instance though, it probably wasn't Gestede's finest moment in a Villa shirt (not that there's a long list of them).
what did you want rudi to do? lob it back to hart who then launches a quick counter attack?
fuck em
On reflection, having read other posts and indeed my own, I'm more than happy to agree that Gestede did the right thing here (so it was indeed his finest moment in a Villa shirt!). EDIT: third finest.
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It was an odd incident all round, as Gestede seemed to gesture to Hart where he intended to throw the ball; the throw-in was actually a foul throw, as Gestede had a foot off the ground when he threw the ball; Gestede started to run hard in Hart's direction as soon as he threw; and threw the ball much harder than Hart had expected (been led to expect?).
I don't get this kicking the ball into touch simply because a player is on the ground; a few years ago it cost West Ham the FA Cup final v Liverpool. In this instance though, it probably wasn't Gestede's finest moment in a Villa shirt (not that there's a long list of them).
what did you want rudi to do? lob it back to hart who then launches a quick counter attack?
fuck em
On reflection, having read other posts and indeed my own, I'm more than happy to agree that Gestede did the right thing here (so it was indeed his finest moment in a Villa shirt!). EDIT: third finest.
it will be interesting to see what they make of it on motd2
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Oh man. I forgot all about Match of the Day. Haven't watched it since August.
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It was an odd incident all round, as Gestede seemed to gesture to Hart where he intended to throw the ball; the throw-in was actually a foul throw, as Gestede had a foot off the ground when he threw the ball; Gestede started to run hard in Hart's direction as soon as he threw; and threw the ball much harder than Hart had expected (been led to expect?).
I don't get this kicking the ball into touch simply because a player is on the ground; a few years ago it cost West Ham the FA Cup final v Liverpool. In this instance though, it probably wasn't Gestede's finest moment in a Villa shirt (not that there's a long list of them).
what did you want rudi to do? lob it back to hart who then launches a quick counter attack?
fuck em
On reflection, having read other posts and indeed my own, I'm more than happy to agree that Gestede did the right thing here (so it was indeed his finest moment in a Villa shirt!). EDIT: third finest.
it will be interesting to see what they make of it on motd2
I'm sure they'll use it as a stick to beat us after we didn't roll over for their Manc darlings.
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When Hart started having a go Gestede I, being very keyed up by that point, completely lost it with him. Apologies to anyone sitting towards the front of K2 if they heard what I called him.
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I have no issue with it and I think it's a bit rich for them to have complained so much when there was one at the other end where they threw it right into the corner and then Sterling closed down so Guzan's only option was to punt it long up field. They gave it back on their terms and then act like Rudy is a disgrace to do the same, fucking hypocrites.
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When you throw the ball back as a sporting gesture you are basically giving back possession to them,
So why throw the ball back too hard then chase after it, if you don't want to give them the ball back don't throw it back or go chasing after it
Unsporting behaviour for me,
not a massive one and not one I will be losing any sleep over but I can understand them getting annoyed over it
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At the time I thought it wasn't very clever but on reflection Hart did make it awkward for him as Hart was going to launch it quickly. Normally teams get the ball back without effectively taking a player out in the process.
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Oh man. I forgot all about Match of the Day. Haven't watched it since August.
What is this programme of which you talk?
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Oh man. I forgot all about Match of the Day. Haven't watched it since August.
What is this programme of which you talk?
the programme which will probably give us no credit what so ever
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Rudy should have thrown it towards the goal - if it went in it would have been a goal kick and wasted more time - Hart was hoping to get the ball and pump it up-field so Rudy was right to make it hard for him.
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typical over paid nob in goal
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Hart is completely thick! Just let the ball go for a goal kick...duhh...dumbass!
Don't be too harsh, he is a dopey Salopian who went to Meole Brace Secondary School after all. ;)
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Hart is completely thick! Just let the ball go for a goal kick...duhh...dumbass!
Don't be too harsh, he is a dopey Salopian who went to Meole Brace Secondary School after all. ;)
Don't be badmouthing my alma mater
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I wish Gestede had scored. If he had should we had allowed them to walk a goal? No they can fuck off. If the ball had been deflected in by Hart because the throw was hard may be so but conceding from a resulting corner NO.
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Bloody hell, Jenas was on our side, they all blamed Hart!
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Bloody hell, Jenas was on our side, they all blamed Hart!
:D
"He doesn't need to be there, just stay in goal let it go out for a goal kick"
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Hart is completely thick! Just let the ball go for a goal kick...duhh...dumbass!
Don't be too harsh, he is a dopey Salopian who went to Meole Brace Secondary School after all. ;)
Don't be badmouthing my alma mater
Ooops, sorry (my elder son went there as well).
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I thought it was a bit naughty the first time I saw it but it was interesting seeing it again. Hart did make a mess of it. Had we been comfortably mid-table we might have left the corner uncontested but I'm not sure anyone (other than Citeh fans) can blame us for doing whatever's necessary in the position we're in.
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Keown thinks we should of put the corner out for a goalkick. I think I'd like to roundhouse kick him in the head.
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Fair play Rudy. Let's get nasty. Let's start doing anything we can to win.
Win!!
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All the players that surrounded Gestede after the throw in should've been cautioned.
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
I disagree. There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise. You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.
With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error. But I still agree with Keown on this one. If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
I disagree. There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise. You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.
With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error. But I still agree with Keown on this one. If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.
Kicking the ball out when a player goes down is a shit part of modern football. That and not celebrating when a player scores against an old club. We're not the fucking Corinthians
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It happened a week ago when Westwood got flattened. There is no such thing as Karma, unfortunately
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
I disagree. There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise. You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.
With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error. But I still agree with Keown on this one. If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.
Kicking the ball out when a player goes down is a shit part of modern football. That and not celebrating when a player scores against an old club. We're not the fucking Corinthians
Spot on. Making a show of 'sportsmanship' and complaining about others not doing the same is like wearing a poppy the size of a dustbin lid, and tutting at anyone who doesn't do the same. Be sporting or don't, but don't go on and on about it.
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
I disagree. There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise. You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.
With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error. But I still agree with Keown on this one. If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.
Kicking the ball out when a player goes down is a shit part of modern football. That and not celebrating when a player scores against an old club. We're not the fucking Corinthians
And what does a bit of sportsmanship cost us? How does it detract from the game? How can your seriously have a problem with it? Footballers rarely set a good example in life and one of the few things they could do you want to stamp out for no good reason? You sound like a dinosaur.
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
I disagree. There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise. You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.
With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error. But I still agree with Keown on this one. If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.
Diving for a penalty, feigning injury, showing imaginary cards at the ref, pulling shirts, time wasting etc are not what I'd consider sportmanship but it goes on in every game. We get all that sorted then we can introduce these unwritten rules. And i did say 90% of times it should be up to the ref the other 10% is sufficient for anyone on the field to see if there is something clearly wrong with a player who is down.
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
I disagree. There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise. You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.
With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error. But I still agree with Keown on this one. If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.
Flawed logic there I'm afraid. If there's any "retribution" or karma bollocks coming out of that, it will be us not getting the ball back and possibly conceding when we would have expected the ball to be returned.
Got nothing at all to do with not putting the ball out.
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
I disagree. There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise. You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.
With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error. But I still agree with Keown on this one. If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.
Kicking the ball out when a player goes down is a shit part of modern football. That and not celebrating when a player scores against an old club. We're not the fucking Corinthians
And what does a bit of sportsmanship cost us? How does it detract from the game? How can your seriously have a problem with it? Footballers rarely set a good example in life and one of the few things they could do you want to stamp out for no good reason? You sound like a dinosaur.
It's not sportsmanship, it's sheep mentality. And whatever happened to the drop ball?
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
I disagree. There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise. You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.
With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error. But I still agree with Keown on this one. If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.
Kicking the ball out when a player goes down is a shit part of modern football. That and not celebrating when a player scores against an old club. We're not the fucking Corinthians
And what does a bit of sportsmanship cost us? How does it detract from the game? How can your seriously have a problem with it? Footballers rarely set a good example in life and one of the few things they could do you want to stamp out for no good reason? You sound like a dinosaur.
we were trying to do the right thing. Gestede told Hart what he was going to do and yet Hart wanted the ball, taking the Villa player out of the equation and launching it. We were giving the ball back. How many times must we do it until Man City ate happy. Hart fucked it up and the result was the corner. From there its game on.
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
I disagree. There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise. You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.
With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error. But I still agree with Keown on this one. If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.
Diving for a penalty, feigning injury, showing imaginary cards at the ref, pulling shirts, time wasting etc are not what I'd consider sportmanship but it goes on in every game. We get all that sorted then we can introduce these unwritten rules. And i did say 90% of times it should be up to the ref the other 10% is sufficient for anyone on the field to see if there is something clearly wrong with a player who is down.
Of course they are not and should be stamped out. But wtf has this go to do with something that is? I am just baffled that anybody would want to critisise good sportsmanship. I just find it unbelievable.
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
I disagree. There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise. You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.
With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error. But I still agree with Keown on this one. If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.
Flawed logic there I'm afraid. If there's any "retribution" or karma bollocks coming out of that, it will be us not getting the ball back and possibly conceding when we would have expected the ball to be returned.
Got nothing at all to do with not putting the ball out.
No it's not. Not flawed at all. Do you think City will put the ball out if circumstances arise next time we play them?
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It wasn't even thrown that hard. It almost looks like Hart takes his eye off it a bit because Rudy starts running towards him. Anyway, love that we're starting to show a bit of spirit. :D
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
I disagree. There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise. You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.
With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error. But I still agree with Keown on this one. If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.
Flawed logic there I'm afraid. If there's any "retribution" or karma bollocks coming out of that, it will be us not getting the ball back and possibly conceding when we would have expected the ball to be returned.
Got nothing at all to do with not putting the ball out.
No it's not. Not flawed at all. Do you think City will put the ball out if circumstances arise next time we play them?
Why wouldn't they? That's not where anyone's got a beef.
If anyone should have a problem with teams not putting the ball out, then it's us after those scrotes from North London took the piss last Monday in collaboration with Mike Dean.
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
I disagree. There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise. You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.
With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error. But I still agree with Keown on this one. If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.
Kicking the ball out when a player goes down is a shit part of modern football. That and not celebrating when a player scores against an old club. We're not the fucking Corinthians
And what does a bit of sportsmanship cost us? How does it detract from the game? How can your seriously have a problem with it? Footballers rarely set a good example in life and one of the few things they could do you want to stamp out for no good reason? You sound like a dinosaur.
we were trying to do the right thing. Gestede told Hart what he was going to do and yet Hart wanted the ball, taking the Villa player out of the equation and launching it. We were giving the ball back. How many times must we do it until Man City ate happy. Hart fucked it up and the result was the corner. From there its game on.
Precisely.
I'm all for sportsmanship, which is what we showed in trying to put the ball out for a goal-kick for Hart to restart play.
The only thing even slightly unsporting about this incident is him wanting to keep play moving quicker while Gestede is massively out of position having just taken the throw-in.
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This attitude that we'd better not rile other teams in case they try harder/don't put the ball out of touch/pick on us and steal our dinner money doesn't add up. Do the likes of wenger, jose, LVG take that approach, or the exact opposite (zero good will for other teams, cynical mind games, calling the ref out, instructing niggly buggers like costa to get in the faces of the opposition)?
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Our most purposeful throw in for four years
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This attitude that we'd better not rile other teams in case they try harder/don't put the ball out of touch/pick on us and steal our dinner money doesn't add up. Do the likes of wenger, jose, LVG take that approach, or the exact opposite (zero good will for other teams, cynical mind games, calling the ref out, instructing niggly buggers like costa to get in the faces of the opposition)?
just don't throw the ball back then,
we have every right to keep it its not in the rules where we have to do give it back to them
I do think there should be sportsmanship in the game, and I would support giving the ball back,
but if you want to be cynical as you say that's fair enough I just don't think you can do both like Gestede did
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but if you want to be cynical as you say that's fair enough I just don't think you can do both like Gestede did
He didn't.
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I don't even know why this is being debated. Hart was given the ball back and chose to try and control it being smart and completely failed. It was his own fault. Putting it out for a goalkick from the corner would have made no sense whatsoever and I for one would have celebrated wildly if Gestede had scored with the subsequent shot. It is about time we started standing up for ourselves, stopped the fawning over these wonderful players in the tunnel, got into them like we did yesterday and showing people we can compete. I didn't notice too many people jumping out of their commentary seats when Snake II dived trying to win a penalty for Citeh yesterday - Alan twatface Smith even said it was a penalty!
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Our most purposeful throw in for four years
Brilliant
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but if you want to be cynical as you say that's fair enough I just don't think you can do both like Gestede did
He didn't.
he did,
he threw the ball back to Hart, then went chasing directly at the player before he had received it
if he didn't want him to have the ball back he shouldn't have thrown it back to him, just be honest about it
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Panto season has started early.
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He was clearly throwing the ball out for the goal kick which Hart made a pig's ear of. This giving the ball back unwritten rule nonsense does my head in. Players spend the entire game trying in any way to get an advantage but as soon as a player goes down and the ball is put out this holier than thou attitude springs to life. The ref should be the one to stop the game for 90% of cases. He should then restart the game with a good old fashioned vigorously contested bounce up.
I disagree. There should still be a place for sportsmanship and it's quite sad that some think otherwise. You cant always rely on a ref to stop the game, he may not have fully seen an incident or may just be a complete fuckwit like Dean last week.
With this said, Hart should have let the ball go out - he was trying to get the game going too quickly and it was his error. But I still agree with Keown on this one. If teams pause before putting the ball out when one of our players is down again - maybe with something far more serious - then we can only blame ourselves.
Kicking the ball out when a player goes down is a shit part of modern football. That and not celebrating when a player scores against an old club. We're not the fucking Corinthians
And what does a bit of sportsmanship cost us? How does it detract from the game? How can your seriously have a problem with it? Footballers rarely set a good example in life and one of the few things they could do you want to stamp out for no good reason? You sound like a dinosaur.
we were trying to do the right thing. Gestede told Hart what he was going to do and yet Hart wanted the ball, taking the Villa player out of the equation and launching it. We were giving the ball back. How many times must we do it until Man City ate happy. Hart fucked it up and the result was the corner. From there its game on.
Is the absolute, perfect, correct answer, peter w!
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if he didn't want him to have the ball back he shouldn't have thrown it back to him, just be honest about it
He didn't throw it back to him - he threw it out for a goal-kick. Perfectly honest.
It's not Gestede's fault that Hart wanted to try and keep the ball in play rather than just accepting the goal-kick.
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I thought it was quite noticeable that Hart himself didn't rant and rave about it. My feeling was he knew he had screwed it up.
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I don't even know why this is being debated. Hart was given the ball back and chose to try and control it being smart and completely failed. It was his own fault. Putting it out for a goalkick from the corner would have made no sense whatsoever and I for one would have celebrated wildly if Gestede had scored with the subsequent shot. It is about time we started standing up for ourselves, stopped the fawning over these wonderful players in the tunnel, got into them like we did yesterday and showing people we can compete. I didn't notice too many people jumping out of their commentary seats when Snake II dived trying to win a penalty for Citeh yesterday - Alan twatface Smith even said it was a penalty!
I think it may have been Chapman on MOTD2 last night who said of Snake II: "He dived." and no-one picked up on it iirc.
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I don't even know why this is being debated. Hart was given the ball back and chose to try and control it being smart and completely failed. It was his own fault. Putting it out for a goalkick from the corner would have made no sense whatsoever and I for one would have celebrated wildly if Gestede had scored with the subsequent shot. It is about time we started standing up for ourselves, stopped the fawning over these wonderful players in the tunnel, got into them like we did yesterday and showing people we can compete. I didn't notice too many people jumping out of their commentary seats when Snake II dived trying to win a penalty for Citeh yesterday - Alan twatface Smith even said it was a penalty!
I think it may have been Chapman on MOTD2 last night who said of Snake II: "He dived." and no-one picked up on it iirc.
Think it was the commentator, they didn;t show it again afterwards I don't think. If there was any contact, it was Sanke II treading on the merest tip of Ciaran's toe!
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It was a terrible dive, the slightest brush of knee's coming together and he did what they always do when a top team is struggling in a game, go to ground and look for an escape route. He should have been booked for it.
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if he didn't want him to have the ball back he shouldn't have thrown it back to him, just be honest about it
He didn't throw it back to him - he threw it out for a goal-kick. Perfectly honest.
It's not Gestede's fault that Hart wanted to try and keep the ball in play rather than just accepting the goal-kick.
Exactly...the purpose always being to give possession back to the team which had it before play stopped...not to give them an advantage, which is what Hart seemed to want...that Gestede gave the ball to him so he could launch it upfield, taking Gestede out of the game. Gestede followed the letter of the unwritten law and tried to give possession back to ManCi£y by throwing it out for a goal kick. Hart fu*ked up. The end.
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If Hart wanted the ball at his feet then Gestede should have launched it towards the open goal mouth.
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I don't even know why this is being debated. Hart was given the ball back and chose to try and control it being smart and completely failed. It was his own fault. Putting it out for a goalkick from the corner would have made no sense whatsoever and I for one would have celebrated wildly if Gestede had scored with the subsequent shot. It is about time we started standing up for ourselves, stopped the fawning over these wonderful players in the tunnel, got into them like we did yesterday and showing people we can compete. I didn't notice too many people jumping out of their commentary seats when Snake II dived trying to win a penalty for Citeh yesterday - Alan twatface Smith even said it was a penalty!
This i totally agree with
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I don't like all this nicey,nicey stuff that has crept into the game.
The ball at the end of the tunnel for the ref to pick up!
Shaking hands before the game, what a load of crap that is. Its supposed to be a bit of a conflict between two sides not an afternoon love in.
Putting the ball out if an actor (sorry player) falls over and wants a rest.
Giving the ball back after the above!
I think we need a little fire in the game, if some call it un-sportsman like then so be it as far as I am concerned.
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There are two debates here.
Firstly, the specific Gestede throw in. I am on the side that believes he wasn't being clever and just aimed chuck it out for a goal kick and Hart dropped a knacker.
Secondly, an argument about sportsmanlike behaviour in football in general. On that point, I find it odd that people get worked up about some arbitrary social nicety like putting the ball out of touch, when the game is mainly played by openly money grubbing louts with often highly questionable views on women and driving under the influence, who routinely dive and hassle the ref for decisions in their favour.
Given we are where we are that and it's a game of fine margins, I want us to play as cynically as any team out there if it means a few extra points and stuff the alleged spirit of the game.
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It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.
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if he didn't want him to have the ball back he shouldn't have thrown it back to him, just be honest about it
He didn't throw it back to him - he threw it out for a goal-kick. Perfectly honest.
It's not Gestede's fault that Hart wanted to try and keep the ball in play rather than just accepting the goal-kick.
yes I can see what your saying now,
I didn't fully understand where you were coming from at first (my fault)
if that is indeed what happened then I agree that's fair enough
I just saw Gestede throwing the ball quite hard at Hart and running straight after it, but I'm happy to go with your reading of it if that's what happened
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If this thread was about one of their players doing exactly the same thing to us, this thread would be littered with people calling them 'classless wankers' etc.
I really despair if a little bit of sportsmanship is too much for some people.
Whatever you think about the throw - the fact he chased after it so fast tells us his intentions. Yes Hart could and should have let it go out - so this is a moot point.
But the amount of 'I don't like this sportsmanship' stuff on this thread is nothing but staggering. We are Villa and pride ourselves on having class. There's a distinct lack of it in some of the comments on here.
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Our most purposeful throw in for four years
Since Sidwell's assist.
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If this thread was about one of their players doing exactly the same thing to us, this thread would be littered with people calling them 'classless wankers' etc.
I really despair if a little bit of sportsmanship is too much for some people.
Whatever you think about the throw - the fact he chased after it so fast tells us his intentions. Yes Hart could and should have let it go out - so this is a moot point.
But the amount of 'I don't like this sportsmanship' stuff on this thread is nothing but staggering. We are Villa and pride ourselves on having class. There's a distinct lack of it in some of the comments on here.
i'm sure if it was John Terry or Diego Costa we would give them both the benefit of the doubt 8)
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Our most purposeful throw in for four years
Since Sidwell's assist.
ha ha, yes the most memorable moment of his career with us is the one where he isn't even playing
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I've just looked on the Bluemoon forum and this subject has been debated on there.
I would like to summarise this entertaining conversation in the style of Liam Gallagher:
*stands at microphone with arms behind back*
*clears throat*
"Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine."
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If this thread was about one of their players doing exactly the same thing to us, this thread would be littered with people calling them 'classless wankers' etc.
I really despair if a little bit of sportsmanship is too much for some people.
Whatever you think about the throw - the fact he chased after it so fast tells us his intentions. Yes Hart could and should have let it go out - so this is a moot point.
But the amount of 'I don't like this sportsmanship' stuff on this thread is nothing but staggering. We are Villa and pride ourselves on having class. There's a distinct lack of it in some of the comments on here.
There's a massive difference between genuine sportsmanship and the staged nonsense we get now. Thise who are outraged by Gestede will likely also say diving, claiming a throw you know isn't yours and trying to influence the referee are fine.
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Our most purposeful throw in for four years
Since Sidwell's assist.
ha ha, yes the most memorable moment of his career with us is the one where he isn't even playing
At least Gestede will be memorable for actually being on the pitch!
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Well said Dave. Nobody on here is suggesting we should try and cheat our way to success but that doesn't mean we have to observe these nonsensical modern 'rules' about putting the ball out of touch and not celebrating goals at your old club, etc. etc. or face the judgement of the mob.
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We returned the ball, Hart decided to try and be clever and cocked it up. It's his fault.
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It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.
yes
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if he didn't want him to have the ball back he shouldn't have thrown it back to him, just be honest about it
He didn't throw it back to him - he threw it out for a goal-kick. Perfectly honest.
It's not Gestede's fault that Hart wanted to try and keep the ball in play rather than just accepting the goal-kick.
yes I can see what your saying now,
I didn't fully understand where you were coming from at first (my fault)
if that is indeed what happened then I agree that's fair enough
I just saw Gestede throwing the ball quite hard at Hart and running straight after it, but I'm happy to go with your reading of it if that's what happened
And don't get me wrong - if that's not what he was planning and he thought "I'm going to launch this as hard as I can so it bounces off him and we get a corner", then I'd fully agree with your original thought that it was an extremely dickish thing to do.
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We returned the ball, Hart decided to try and be clever and cocked it up. It's his fault.
is the correct answer
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if he didn't want him to have the ball back he shouldn't have thrown it back to him, just be honest about it
He didn't throw it back to him - he threw it out for a goal-kick. Perfectly honest.
It's not Gestede's fault that Hart wanted to try and keep the ball in play rather than just accepting the goal-kick.
yes I can see what your saying now,
I didn't fully understand where you were coming from at first (my fault)
if that is indeed what happened then I agree that's fair enough
I just saw Gestede throwing the ball quite hard at Hart and running straight after it, but I'm happy to go with your reading of it if that's what happened
And don't get me wrong - if that's not what he was planning and he thought "I'm going to launch this as hard as I can so it bounces off him and we get a corner", then I'd fully agree with your original thought that it was an extremely dickish thing to do.
The way he chased it down it certainly looks like that was in his thinking - or at least I'm going to pressure him and hope he makes a mistake. Which isn't really in the spirit of giving the ball back in the first place.
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I was convinced we would score from that corner. It is one of the unwritten rules of football that controversial corners always lead to goals, in the same way that if a defender inadvertently shins an easy clearance back over their own goal line instead of upfield the corner that follows always results in a goal.
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Where's the spirit of the game when players dive and we concede penalties? Where's the spirit of the game when referee's blatantly favour one side over the other? Bollocks to Man City, if it takes a bit of gamesmanship to get a fire going in the players bellies than so be it. We've been on the wrong end of the stick for years with decisions and refs, we never put it on a plate for Hart to do what he wanted to do? So what, it's our home ground, we're not here to make Joe Hart happy, you got the ball back and couldn't control it, I'd have throw it back at him head height. Sick of losing and sick of being a push over, long may it continue, play by the rules but don't make it easy for them.
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if he didn't want him to have the ball back he shouldn't have thrown it back to him, just be honest about it
He didn't throw it back to him - he threw it out for a goal-kick. Perfectly honest.
It's not Gestede's fault that Hart wanted to try and keep the ball in play rather than just accepting the goal-kick.
yes I can see what your saying now,
I didn't fully understand where you were coming from at first (my fault)
if that is indeed what happened then I agree that's fair enough
I just saw Gestede throwing the ball quite hard at Hart and running straight after it, but I'm happy to go with your reading of it if that's what happened
And don't get me wrong - if that's not what he was planning and he thought "I'm going to launch this as hard as I can so it bounces off him and we get a corner", then I'd fully agree with your original thought that it was an extremely dickish thing to do.
The way he chased it down it certainly looks like that was in his thinking - or at least I'm going to pressure him and hope he makes a mistake. Which isn't really in the spirit of giving the ball back in the first place.
It took a split second from Gestede launching it for it to go out for a corner. Other than his momentum following the line of the ball I'm not sure where you've picked up on this Usain Bolt turn of speed from Gestede.
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I also don't see what's so sporting about throwing money at our best midfielder two years in a row only to sit them on the bench or play them out of position, solely to weaken us when we were one of their rivals.
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Let's be honest here, Man City are angry that we didn't roll over and give them another soft three points, they couldn't really give a shit about a miss controlled pass. Big tits.
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The way he chased it down it certainly looks like that was in his thinking - or at least I'm going to pressure him and hope he makes a mistake. Which isn't really in the spirit of giving the ball back in the first place.
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I think if Hart had not moved to try and intercept the ball and instead had watched it go over the goal line, then Gestede wouldn't have moved towards him. The fact that he saw Hart going to stop the ball and instinctively moved towards him to make a challenge.
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When the ball was put out of play there wasn't a Villa player in sight - they were in formation a lot further up the pitch. Gestede's problem is that if Hart plays the ball, he (Gestede) is left high and dry with the team already down to 10 men. He did exactly the right thing in trying for the goal kick and then looking to close Hart down when the goalkeeper tried to keep the ball alive.
If anyone was playing the raw prawn it was Hart, he got exactly what he deserved.
What helped to do Hart was the fact that the ball skipped to his left when it bounced. Pretty impressive of Gestede to bowl a pacey off break with a football. If only he was as accomplished when trying to kick the bloody thing.
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When Henry scored that quick free kick against us a few years ago, my main thought was not that he'd brought the moral fibre of the game into question. I mainly wished we had a player that quick thinking, ruthless and skilful.
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Where's the spirit of the game when players dive and we concede penalties? Where's the spirit of the game when referee's blatantly favour one side over the other? Bollocks to Man City, if it takes a bit of gamesmanship to get a fire going in the players bellies than so be it. We've been on the wrong end of the stick for years with decisions and refs, we never put it on a plate for Hart to do what he wanted to do? So what, it's our home ground, we're not here to make Joe Hart happy, you got the ball back and couldn't control it, I'd have throw it back at him head height. Sick of losing and sick of being a push over, long may it continue, play by the rules but don't make it easy for them.
that's not really the debate though,
your point would be better summed up by saying lets not bother throwing the ball back to the opposition lets just keep it and keep the advantage which we have every right to do
obviously every team that played us will then do the same so it would even out I suppose
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It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.
yes
Which is pretty much what Jenas said on MOTD last night.
I thought everybody was wrong and it was a foul throw, so City should have had a throw in.
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When Henry scored that quick free kick against us a few years ago, my main thought was not that he'd brought the moral fibre of the game into question. I mainly wished we had a player that quick thinking, ruthless and skilful.
I agree and I still thought cheating c***.
In hindsight I really wish Rudy had launched the ball high at the goal just out of Hart's reach which resulted in Hart palming it into the net due to his reluctance to let the ball go out of play.
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It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.
yes
Which is pretty much what Jenas said on MOTD last night.
I thought everybody was wrong and it was a foul throw, so City should have had a throw in.
Officials rarely give foul throw ins anymore. I did see one given yesterday though, unbelievably, against Man City.
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It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.
yes
Which is pretty much what Jenas said on MOTD last night.
I thought everybody was wrong and it was a foul throw, so City should have had a throw in.
That would have been good gamesmanship - take a deliberate foul throw, giving Man City a throw of their own level with their own penalty area while we push up at them.
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It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.
yes
Which is pretty much what Jenas said on MOTD last night.
I thought everybody was wrong and it was a foul throw, so City should have had a throw in.
Officials rarely give foul throw ins anymore. I did see one given yesterday though, unbelievably, against Man City.
Yes and the linesman then proceeded to do a rather camp dance involving tapping the sole of his boot to let everyone know both feet hadn't been on the floor.
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It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.
yes
Which is pretty much what Jenas said on MOTD last night.
I thought everybody was wrong and it was a foul throw, so City should have had a throw in.
Officials rarely give foul throw ins anymore. I did see one given yesterday though, unbelievably, against Man City.
Watching it from the Trinity (just after polishing off my foie gras cob) I don't think that was a foul throw Bren'd.
The linesman flagged a throw in to Villa, the Man City player got there first and picked it and threw it...the linesman then insisted on the Villa having the throw in. The ref didn't seem to know wtf was going on.
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Watching that it wasn't even particularly hard, just woeful control from a supposed professional footballer (albeit a goalkeeper).
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It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.
yes
Which is pretty much what Jenas said on MOTD last night.
I thought everybody was wrong and it was a foul throw, so City should have had a throw in.
Officials rarely give foul throw ins anymore. I did see one given yesterday though, unbelievably, against Man City.
Watching it from the Trinity (just after polishing off my foie gras cob) I don't think that was a foul throw Bren'd.
The linesman flagged a throw in to Villa, the Man City player got there first and picked it and threw it...the linesman then insisted on the Villa having the throw in. The ref didn't seem to know wtf was going on.
I think that's right - on the replay, it didn't look like Sagna (?) had done anything wrong.
I reckon the linesman had a brain fart, signalled Sterling as offside then remembered that he couldn't be offside from the throw-in so had to come up with another reason why he had flagged.
He certainly didn't seem to be preventing their player from taking the throw, which had it been ours all along you'd think he would try and stop them.
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It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.
yes
Which is pretty much what Jenas said on MOTD last night.
I thought everybody was wrong and it was a foul throw, so City should have had a throw in.
Officials rarely give foul throw ins anymore. I did see one given yesterday though, unbelievably, against Man City.
Watching it from the Trinity (just after polishing off my foie gras cob) I don't think that was a foul throw Bren'd.
The linesman flagged a throw in to Villa, the Man City player got there first and picked it and threw it...the linesman then insisted on the Villa having the throw in. The ref didn't seem to know wtf was going on.
I think that's right - on the replay, it didn't look like Sagna (?) had done anything wrong.
I reckon the linesman had a brain fart, signalled Sterling as offside then remembered that he couldn't be offside from the throw-in so had to come up with another reason why he had flagged.
He certainly didn't seem to be preventing their player from taking the throw, which had it been ours all along you'd think he would try and stop them.
Haven't seen it on tv Dave but I do remember getting a bit arsey at the time when the linesman flagged for a Villa throw then the Man City player was suddenly taking it.
I was getting a bit excited by that stage of the game!!!
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Watching the Gestede throw again on that link, Hart didn't react other than looking annoyed with himself and just started trotting back to the goal.
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If Gestede had have scored from the corner....id have taken the three points. No worries. He didn't cheat. You could say it wasn't in the spirit of the game.....in the same way that Man City's team cost a gazillion pounds as opposed to our 37.8 sheckles
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It was Hart's fault he should have let it go out for a goal kick.
yes
Which is pretty much what Jenas said on MOTD last night.
I thought everybody was wrong and it was a foul throw, so City should have had a throw in.
Officials rarely give foul throw ins anymore. I did see one given yesterday though, unbelievably, against Man City.
Watching it from the Trinity (just after polishing off my foie gras cob) I don't think that was a foul throw Bren'd.
The linesman flagged a throw in to Villa, the Man City player got there first and picked it and threw it...the linesman then insisted on the Villa having the throw in. The ref didn't seem to know wtf was going on.
I was in the Lower Holte so didn't know what was going on really. I assumed a foul throw as did every one around.
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I was convinced we would score from that corner. It is one of the unwritten rules of football that controversial corners always lead to goals, in the same way that if a defender inadvertently shins an easy clearance back over their own goal line instead of upfield the corner that follows always results in a goal.
Yes, it's the Curtis Davies law.
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Panto season has started early.
oh no it hasnt
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Will city also be saying that sterling throwing himself to the floor was in the spirit of the game. Double standards me thinks or is diving perfectly acceptable.
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Imagine how pissed off everyone on here would be if someone did it to us.
Don't think people would have the same opinion.
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Imagine how pissed off everyone on here would be if someone did it to us.
Don't think people would have the same opinion.
It seemed a little dicky to me at the time - the throw-in had some spin on it - but if it were the other way round, would I be whinging hysterically like some of the City fans? I don't think so.
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Id be more pissed off if our Goalie had tried to do a Hart to be honest.
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I was convinced we would score from that corner. It is one of the unwritten rules of football that controversial corners always lead to goals, in the same way that if a defender inadvertently shins an easy clearance back over their own goal line instead of upfield the corner that follows always results in a goal.
Yes, it's the Curtis Davies law.
Yes, that was the previous farce that came to mind.
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As was said on MOTD last night, perhaps we should have just simply given them the ball back from the corner. We weren't far from scoring, desperate as we are I wouldn't want that, we would be in a rage if it happened the other way around.
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Imagine how pissed off everyone on here would be if someone did it to us.
Don't think people would have the same opinion.
If Guzan had tried to control that he would probably have scored an own goal.
The whole problem was caused by Hart trying to dictate how we returned the ball and then cocking up his attempt to control it. If had just left Gestede to it then we would not be wasting our time discussing such a trivial incident.
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Finally found someone who can take a decent throw in though 😉
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When Henry scored that quick free kick against us a few years ago, my main thought was not that he'd brought the moral fibre of the game into question. I mainly wished we had a player that quick thinking, ruthless and skilful.
I agree and I still thought cheating c***.
In hindsight I really wish Rudy had launched the ball high at the goal just out of Hart's reach which resulted in Hart palming it into the net due to his reluctance to let the ball go out of play.
I was thinking how funny it would have been if one of our players ran up to Gestede, he throws the ball to them instead and he shoots into the open goal.
That would've been good.
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As was said on MOTD last night, perhaps we should have just simply given them the ball back from the corner. We weren't far from scoring, desperate as we are I wouldn't want that, we would be in a rage if it happened the other way around.
Why? Keown is a goon.
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If it had happened the other way round, we would have blamed Guzan. I am in no doubt. Not necessarily because it would have been his fault, but because we have got into the habit of thinking things are his fault.
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The reason he wouldn't give Hart where he wanted was because we already had one player off the field in N'Zogbia, Gestede would have been on the sideline throwing it directly to Hart.
It's not about sportsmanship, giving it where Hart wanted it is giving City a two man advantage in the middle of the park. Why should we do that?
I sit right behind where the throw-in was taken and Gestede was telling Hart to get into goal as he would throw it for a goal kick. Hart wanted it on his chest.... No way was Gestede trying to win a corner, he was trying to concede a goal kick
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As was said on MOTD last night, perhaps we should have just simply given them the ball back from the corner. We weren't far from scoring, desperate as we are I wouldn't want that, we would be in a rage if it happened the other way around.
Why? Keown is a goon.
And despite Keown's moral indignation at the fact we didn't just kick the resulting corner out for a goal kick, when Chapman pressed him on it asking him whether he would have done the same thing, he offered some politician's answer by evading the question and saying something about it wasn't his job to take corners. So that would be a "no" then Martin, you ape-faced twat.
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The way he chased it down it certainly looks like that was in his thinking - or at least I'm going to pressure him and hope he makes a mistake. Which isn't really in the spirit of giving the ball back in the first place.
Not at all. Look at the replay again. He throws the ball in, stands there for a second, and then when he sees that Hart is going to make a play on it, he runs in to defend against it. Gestede wanted to throw the ball out to force a goal-kick the entire time and even motioned Hart to move out of the way. Hart stood there anyway, so Gestede threw it hard to get it quickly past the end-line. Instead, Hart jumped in to try and get a quick man-advantage, and screwed it up anyway. If anyone was trying to be unsportsmanlike, it was Hart for trying to quickly play the ball while Gestede was out of position.
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The reason he wouldn't give Hart where he wanted was because we already had one player off the field in N'Zogbia, Gestede would have been on the sideline throwing it directly to Hart.
It's not about sportsmanship, giving it where Hart wanted it is giving City a two man advantage in the middle of the park. Why should we do that?
I sit right behind where the throw-in was taken and Gestede was telling Hart to get into goal as he would throw it for a goal kick. Hart wanted it on his chest.... No way was Gestede trying to win a corner, he was trying to concede a goal kick
Exactly this.
If we're going to get on moral high horses about gamesmanship, sportsmanship and cheating there's a few things to remember.
Sportsmanship is about playing within the letter and spirit of the laws which amongst other things means not deliberately seeking an advantage from such situations.
Was Gestede seeking an advantage or merely trying to ensure we weren't disadvantaged by trying to "do the right thing"?
Gamesmanship is trying to take advantage of grey areas, loopholes and the goodwill of others.
Was Hart trying to take advantage of our willingness to play within the spirit of the laws by returning the ball?
Cheating is deliberately going outside of the laws or leading an official to believe that the opposing team had committed a foul.
Was Sterling fouled or trying to convince the referee he had been in the first half ?
From my admittedly one eyed perspective, anyone wanting to complain about our sportsmanship or lack thereof can go away and think again. (or alternatively piss off.)
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Our most purposeful throw in for four years
Since Sidwell's assist.
was this the game vs Boro during MON's third season? we lost 2-1. Didn't James Milner score a great lob vs Hull from a quick and clever throw in too?
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Our most purposeful throw in for four years
Since Sidwell's assist.
was this the game vs Boro during MON's third season? we lost 2-1. Didn't James Milner score a great lob vs Hull from a quick and clever throw in too?
It's the Hull one we're on about. Sidwell had a bit of a mare v Boro, scored our equaliser but gave away their winning goal with an under-hit back pass.
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Hull highlights. I remember now.
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Cheating is deliberately going outside of the laws or leading an official to believe that the opposing team had committed a foul.
Was Sterling fouled or trying to convince the referee he had been in the first half ?
I think that we should probably look at the Otamendi/Gil foul again before we climb up to that particular moral high ground.
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he put pace on the throw because he saw hart anticipate its direction , fuck him
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Our most purposeful throw in for four years
Since Sidwell's assist.
was this the game vs Boro during MON's third season? we lost 2-1. Didn't James Milner score a great lob vs Hull from a quick and clever throw in too?
I was sat in the Upper Trinity for that one. Sat next to me was my Hull supporting brother in law.
When that happened, he slowly turned to me and had the sort of facial expression that is particular to football supporters, a sort of weird shock / resignation / FFS / only we could do that type of combination.
Marvellous.
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Cheating is deliberately going outside of the laws or leading an official to believe that the opposing team had committed a foul.
Was Sterling fouled or trying to convince the referee he had been in the first half ?
I think that we should probably look again at the Otamendi/Gil foul again before we climb up to that particular moral high ground.
That's fair enough. In true Wenger style I didn't see it, but if it's as bad as the Stirling one then he deserves pelters for it too. It always did my head in with Young and Ginola before him.
The end conclusion should maybe be that we're all guilty / people in glass houses etc.
The underlying point still holds mind. If they want to try and claim the moral high ground then they can do one.
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Hart is completely thick! Just let the ball go for a goal kick...duhh...dumbass!
Don't be too harsh, he is a dopey Salopian who went to Meole Brace Secondary School after all. ;)
Don't be badmouthing my alma mater
Ooops, sorry (my elder son went there as well).
When was he there? I was there 92-97. Unsurprisingly there were a few Villa fans knocking around in that era.
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I thought it was a bit naughty, as was Guzan's time wasting but I don't think we 'crossed the line'. When every other team in the league starts acting like saints then we should follow suit. Until then we should be as streetwise as all the others.
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Fuck the fuckers.
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The histrionics from the City fans regarding our (alleged) time wasting amused me. I really wanted to turn 'remember when Alan Ball asked you to waste time in 1996 mistakenly thinking a draw would keep you up' into a workable chant.
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The City players tried to make something out of it because Hart is a stupid twat. He should have let it go out.
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I never seen any blue noses complaining when melbourg threw the ball at enkleman
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I never seen any blue noses complaining when melbourg threw the ball at enkleman
No, they were too busy assaulting our goalkeeper to complain.
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Our most purposeful throw in for four years
Since Sidwell's assist.
was this the game vs Boro during MON's third season? we lost 2-1. Didn't James Milner score a great lob vs Hull from a quick and clever throw in too?
It's the Hull one we're on about. Sidwell had a bit of a mare v Boro, scored our equaliser but gave away their winning goal with an under-hit back pass.
Milner also had a throw in, which he threw at the back of opposing player, bouncing back getting into a dangerous position (can't remember more about it)
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Wasn't that a Dean Saunders trick?
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Wasn't that a Dean Saunders trick?
Wasn't that a Dean Saunders trick?
It was he scored a goal from it when he was at Sheffield Utd:
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All Hart had to do was lean against the goal post and have a fag and can of beer while Rudy threw the ball out for a goal kick.
The thick twat needs to get a head on his shoulders.
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just add it to the ever growing list of Hart blunders and move on
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City deserve to have teams be unsporting against them, with the amount of money they spend.
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City deserve to have teams be unsporting against them, with the amount of money they spend.
Spot on. They can't complain about gamesmanship.
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Bit late I know but i meant to Post the relevant bit of my Man city contact's thoughts...
"With regards the throw in, we have to be honest. If Harty had a decent touch, it wouldn’t be an issue".
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Wasn't that a Dean Saunders trick?
Wasn't that a Dean Saunders trick?
It was he scored a goal from it when he was at Sheffield Utd:
Any referees on here ?
Could that not be deemed "Un-gentlemenly conduct ?