Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[DB]

i think the worry is if he goes do we go down the British manager or overseas manager route. An overseas manager is probably a bigger risk, especially being in the Championship, whereas a British manager will be seen as making us a redoubtable opponent and could get us promoted but won't advance us.

While I don't agree an overseas manager is a bigger risk - just needs the right manager, I get what you are saying regarding a solid British type. They could get us up only to come a cropper in the top flight - there are a few managers who are good in the Ch-ship but can't do it in the Prem. That's said, priority has to be to get us up - next appointment is the biggest since GT 30 years ago.

[ciggiesnbeer]

I said it then and i'll say it now, I really enjoyed a lot about us under Lambert the first year or so. How can you not love defending a one goal lead and from their corner you get a 1 on 1 and it's your defender bombing forward to score. Much like the 4 on 1 at Stoke in the last minute when leading 2-1. No real thoughts of holding on, just pile forward.

I really enjoyed that lambert. He really did start out as a swashbuckling manager then just faded and faded over time into the usual mush. Now he is just another ex manager who loves in the past. Strange.

[boozey182]

I said it then and i'll say it now, I really enjoyed a lot about us under Lambert the first year or so. How can you not love defending a one goal lead and from their corner you get a 1 on 1 and it's your defender bombing forward to score. Much like the 4 on 1 at Stoke in the last minute when leading 2-1. No real thoughts of holding on, just pile forward.

I really thought that summer, particularly after Christian signed a new contract, was going to be the springboard for something special. I do wonder, if we wouldn't have been cheated away at Chelsea in the first week, Lambert might not have completely changed approach and we might have built on that. As it was, he seemed to lose all faith in the attacking, free flowing tactic and we went more negative and backwards, in every respect. Just another false dawn...

[DaveD]

I said it then and i'll say it now, I really enjoyed a lot about us under Lambert the first year or so. How can you not love defending a one goal lead and from their corner you get a 1 on 1 and it's your defender bombing forward to score. Much like the 4 on 1 at Stoke in the last minute when leading 2-1. No real thoughts of holding on, just pile forward.

I really enjoyed that lambert. He really did start out as a swashbuckling manager then just faded and faded over time into the usual mush. Now he is just another ex manager who loves in the past. Strange.

A bad set up and constantly broken promises is a soul destroying and confidence crushing environment to have to come into every day. You start to second guess yourself on everything. I think our last four managers have suffered from it. Doesn't give them a pass, that's part of the job, but we've really not made it easy.

[lovejoy]

This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

Oh well, if it's that simple, Tim Sherwood has a overall win ratio of 39% and Graham Taylor in his second spell 31.67%. So clearly Sherwood is a better manager.

Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio?

I don't believe Sherwood had a 39% win ratio, I call false.

[ChicagoLion]

I have been a supporter of Garde because of the mess he walked into,the cuntiest bunch ala walnuts and the total lack of backing.
The difficultiy now he has probably become part of the problem.
I do not blame him in any way and have more respect for him any of the current crop of players.

[PeterWithesShin]

This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

Oh well, if it's that simple, Tim Sherwood has a overall win ratio of 39% and Graham Taylor in his second spell 31.67%. So clearly Sherwood is a better manager.

Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio?

I don't believe Sherwood had a 39% win ratio, I call false.

Probably includes cup wins.

[sickbeggar]

mebbe overall includes spurs. To be fair Sherwood only got sacked from them for not being foreign enough

[PeterWithesShin]

Just checked and it does include 4 cup wins. In the league he won 6 of 23.

[sickbeggar]

Still hammering garde unfortunately

[SheffieldVillain]

This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

Oh well, if it's that simple, Tim Sherwood has a overall win ratio of 39% and Graham Taylor in his second spell 31.67%. So clearly Sherwood is a better manager.

Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio?

I don't believe Sherwood had a 39% win ratio, I call false.

Don't know, took it from Wikipedia. 

The point however is still valid. That the wider picture affects results and needs to be looked at alongside win ratios.

[SheffieldVillain]

Just checked and it does include 4 cup wins. In the league he won 6 of 23.

5 of those wins with a squad which had Benteke, Delph, Cleverly, Vlaar available.

[paul_e]

but 4 points in 10 games this season after making a hell of a lot of new signings to the squad.  Garde has 12 points in 21, still very poor but better than Sherwood with this squad of players and having not been able to add anything to it.

[SheffieldVillain]

but 4 points in 10 games this season after making a hell of a lot of new signings to the squad.  Garde has 12 points in 21, still very poor but better than Sherwood with this squad of players and having not been able to add anything to it.

That's exactly my point. Passport's 'only win ratios count' rule discounts anything having an effect on the results. Which is what my Sherwood v Taylor stats comparison was meant to show. Stats alone don't always tell the whole story (I was tempted to use narrative but decided against...!)

[Villa in Denmark]

I said it then and i'll say it now, I really enjoyed a lot about us under Lambert the first year or so. How can you not love defending a one goal lead and from their corner you get a 1 on 1 and it's your defender bombing forward to score. Much like the 4 on 1 at Stoke in the last minute when leading 2-1. No real thoughts of holding on, just pile forward.

I really thought that summer, particularly after Christian signed a new contract, was going to be the springboard for something special. I do wonder, if we wouldn't have been cheated away at Chelsea in the first week, Lambert might not have completely changed approach and we might have built on that. As it was, he seemed to lose all faith in the attacking, free flowing tactic and we went more negative and backwards, in every respect. Just another false dawn...

That summer was probably the last point of what felt like genuine well founded optimism for me.

Benteke signing an extension on the back of a really promising last 3rd of the season, tempered a little by the lack of experience in the summer signings, but then built on with the win at Arsenal and battering Chelsea at Stamford Bridge only to be robbed by Ivanovic.

I was optimistic after last summer that we'd resolved our midfield issues with the additions of Guaye and Veretout, resigned to having to give Richards a chance and perplexed that Gestede was apparently plans B, C, D and E. Oh and concerned that Sherwood wouldn't last till Christmas, as lots of us had been when he joined.