Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[Clampy]

You'd think players wouldn't need motivating to try and get their team out of trouble.

[The Laughing Policeman]

It's not "their team" though Clampy. It's just somewhere to mark time until some other mug comes along to buy them.

[Toronto Villa]

You'd think players wouldn't need motivating to try and get their team out of trouble.

That essentially is our problem. That we have a combination of players who have strong characters but with no professional pride leading astray others who are mentally weak. And that can enough in an environment like a football club to smash and bury talent. I don't agree that we don't have some good players, but their ability to perform to a high standard has been all but consumed by the negativity at the club, not just in the dressing room but all round the place. Hollis has to root out the various issues at board room level all the way down to fix the problem permanently. It will take more than a lick of paint as he is having to deal with structural issues that aren't quick to resolve.

[Toronto Villa]

It's not "their team" though Clampy. It's just somewhere to mark time until some other mug comes along to buy them.

It should be their team while under contract. Winning teams embody togetherness and take ownership of their environment. Many of these players only see it as a place to get paid.

[Dante Lavelli]

if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 

Isn't it the manager's job to read the riot act and to drop players who don't put the effort in?  Garde can't do anything about the off field shambles he walked into, but I'd expect any manager to play the alpha male and start banging heads together. I can't see any evidence that he's done that which is why I want him to go. Seems to me that he's lost the dressing room, assuming he ever found it.

Yet the 5 players mentioned just above (Guzan, Bacuna, Richards, Lescott and Agbonlahor) have all been dropped and/or "read the Riot Act" to at some stage by Garde. Unfortunately he doesn't have any alternative players to pick instead, which is why it would have been nice if the promises re player investment in January had been kept.

They've been dropped, not sure anybody knows whether they were read the riot act or not though. Clearly hasn't worked though. Who is responsible when senior players can't be motivated, cajoled, humiliated into playing to their potential?  And who knows whether his failings with the current squad wouldn't extend to any players he might sign for Villa?

I'm pretty sure he's said in interviews that he has bollocked players but also inferred that they don't care.  That suggests he is either not up to it, or the clique of 'don't give a shits' is so big and influential that he has no leverage over them.  The fact that people have been dropped but have to return to the team suggests that the later is the case for me. 

[kippaxvilla2]

More than any other season in living memory there seems to have been a perfect storm of dissent, splits, a lack of care, Ill discipline and complete apathy for our situation.

Grealish after Everton would never have happened under Ferguson at Manure.

The whole ridiculous Richards Bad Santa video was repellant with no French players included.

Bacuna and Co laughing getting on the coach at Wycombe.  Couldn't give two shits.

Gabby and his cnutish I showed you celebrations after his goal against Norwich despite still having more cautions and reds than goals in the last five years.

Guzan and Lescott at Wycombe.

Lescotts 'accidental' tweet.

Gabbys appearances at foreign nightclubs - adding to his general perceived couldn't give a fcuk attitude.

Anyone notice how many times gabbys name appears?  More than anyone I want him bombed out in the summer and to end up at a shit club going nowhere.  Just not us.

The manager has inherited all this of course but I cannot help thinking that there is a sense within the camp of never respecting him and therefore as unfortunate as it is he will have to go.

[Clampy]

It's not "their team" though Clampy. It's just somewhere to mark time until some other mug comes along to buy them.

Couldn't you say that about every player at every club? It doesn't stop other players in other teams making an effort do want their team to do well.

[ChicagoLion]

It's not "their team" though Clampy. It's just somewhere to mark time until some other mug comes along to buy them.

Couldn't you say that about every player at every club? It doesn't stop other players in other teams making an effort do want their team to do well.

As Kippax says above, we have got a huge attitude and discipline problem which will not be solved until we ship out these chancers, sadly this will not be cheap.

[gpbarr]

if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 

Isn't it the manager's job to read the riot act and to drop players who don't put the effort in?  Garde can't do anything about the off field shambles he walked into, but I'd expect any manager to play the alpha male and start banging heads together. I can't see any evidence that he's done that which is why I want him to go. Seems to me that he's lost the dressing room, assuming he ever found it.

Yet the 5 players mentioned just above (Guzan, Bacuna, Richards, Lescott and Agbonlahor) have all been dropped and/or "read the Riot Act" to at some stage by Garde. Unfortunately he doesn't have any alternative players to pick instead, which is why it would have been nice if the promises re player investment in January had been kept.

They've been dropped, not sure anybody knows whether they were read the riot act or not though. Clearly hasn't worked though. Who is responsible when senior players can't be motivated, cajoled, humiliated into playing to their potential?  And who knows whether his failings with the current squad wouldn't extend to any players he might sign for Villa?

I'm pretty sure he's said in interviews that he has bollocked players but also inferred that they don't care.  That suggests he is either not up to it, or the clique of 'don't give a shits' is so big and influential that he has no leverage over them.  The fact that people have been dropped but have to return to the team suggests that the later is the case for me.

Right. The biggest problem is the players.

[Chico Hamilton III]

The biggest problem is the owner, who allows shit players to run the club because the weak manager is unable to control them.

[conman]

More than any other season in living memory there seems to have been a perfect storm of dissent, splits, a lack of care, Ill discipline and complete apathy for our situation.

Grealish after Everton would never have happened under Ferguson at Manure.

The whole ridiculous Richards Bad Santa video was repellant with no French players included.

Bacuna and Co laughing getting on the coach at Wycombe.  Couldn't give two shits.

Gabby and his cnutish I showed you celebrations after his goal against Norwich despite still having more cautions and reds than goals in the last five years.

Guzan and Lescott at Wycombe.

Lescotts 'accidental' tweet.

Gabbys appearances at foreign nightclubs - adding to his general perceived couldn't give a fcuk attitude.

Anyone notice how many times gabbys name appears?  More than anyone I want him bombed out in the summer and to end up at a shit club going nowhere.  Just not us.

The manager has inherited all this of course but I cannot help thinking that there is a sense within the camp of never respecting him and therefore as unfortunate as it is he will have to go.

Dont know about inherited , all those incidents happened under Remi

[kippaxvilla2]

True enough but they were already showing signs of being twats before that.

[gpbarr]

True enough but they were already showing signs of being twats before that.

Long before that - most the so called senior players are a disgrace to their profession, let alone to our club. Sooner we get rid, whomever is in charge, the better the long term future of the club. Lets hope the board see that problem as acute as most on these boards.

[Ivo Stas]

I hope the next manager will be given more than 147 days and no money to try and turn this club around...

[PeterWithesShin]

Still, he got a record payment for doing a 147.