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Title: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2015, 09:21:39 PM
As it now appears incredibly close a huge welcome to Remi Garde and staff to Aston Villa. You have a huge opportunity to make us great again and end the last few years of misery. Best wishes!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on November 01, 2015, 09:23:22 PM
Bonjour Rémi Garde! Bon fortune!  Up Le Villa!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on November 01, 2015, 09:24:07 PM
Welcome Remi.

Make us proud again! UTV
Title: Re: Remi Garde - welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2015, 09:26:14 PM
He's going to be great and lead us to world domination.

He'll be average and we'll plod along for a couple of years before moaning we should be better.

Pathetic, that's us down.

*Now I can claim I called it first!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 01, 2015, 09:26:49 PM
I've altered the title in a not-tempting-fate-type way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2015, 09:27:07 PM
In reality, he'll do for me. Nice to have someone that will actually have a plan!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 01, 2015, 09:27:19 PM
Excellent news. Welcome!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 01, 2015, 09:29:14 PM
I wanted Moyes, but sod him, I'm right behind our new manager. All is not lost and it's not like we're getting thrashed out of sight every week. Plenty of twists and turns to come and I fully expect Garde to get us out of this mess.
Onwards and upwards!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 01, 2015, 09:29:31 PM
yes please Merci
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2015, 09:30:30 PM
I was in the 'no' camp for the previous two managers but definitely a 'yes' for this one. 
Well done Fox and co.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2015, 09:31:35 PM
Excited. An appointment that seems to be thought out and logical rather than picked out of a hat like some of our managers seem to have been.

Be nice if he can give the team a spring in their step ahead of tomorrow. After results have gone out way this weekend, even picking up a point would feel like a massive step in the right direction.

Bon chance M Garde!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on November 01, 2015, 09:32:23 PM
CREME DE MENTHE!!!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 01, 2015, 09:33:21 PM
I can imagine that the two French lads and previously French based lads will sleep well tonight. As will most of us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: phantom limb on November 01, 2015, 09:34:48 PM
He's got a hell of a job on here and I hope he can hit the ground running. On paper he looks a great candidate for the role, and I feel a bit excited about Villa again. I hope they give him a few quid in January too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Quiet Lion on November 01, 2015, 09:36:06 PM
Seems a really sensible appointment. Contrast the articles written about his managerial style with those of Sherwood before and it is night and day.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on November 01, 2015, 09:37:58 PM
Moyes, for the sake of several other posters, where were you?  Total Crap. Good job I was always after Remi!

I Heart our new manager. What a fantastic appointment.

Doh Remi!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 01, 2015, 09:38:00 PM
Welcome and Bonjour

Good luck pal you're going to need it. Get us out the shit please
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on November 01, 2015, 09:39:01 PM
Good luck mate. You can't do any worse than the last bloke!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on November 01, 2015, 09:44:48 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on November 01, 2015, 09:31:35 PM
Excited. An appointment that seems to be thought out and logical rather than picked out of a hat like some of our managers seem to have been.

I am excited as well, but not sure about the "thought out and logical" bit.  I maybe wrong, but I think this appointment has been heavily influenced by the ex-employers of Messrs Fox and Almstadt.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curlytailavfc on November 01, 2015, 09:45:17 PM
If he keeps up great he will do for a year
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TopDeck113 on November 01, 2015, 09:45:42 PM
Bon chance.  I can't pretend I know whether you have what it takes; but you really do have to succeed, otherwise my club is in real danger of slipping out of the top flight and we might be gone for some time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tuscans on November 01, 2015, 09:46:28 PM
I just want to keep a bloke in charge for longer than 3-4 seasons. If he stays past that then it means Randy has sold to someone with ambition and we're moving forward as a football club.

Good luck Remi, have a word with Lacazette now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 01, 2015, 09:47:02 PM
My wife (who suffers the football on TV only if she can see some eye candy) approves of this appointment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on November 01, 2015, 09:47:22 PM
I'm trying very hard not to get over excited by this, I want to but, trying not too.  I got excited and confident by Lambert's  appointment and thought perhaps all the shit was over.  Remi, please do me proud this time.  The very best of luck to you and your coaches, you're all very welcome. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: The Edge on November 01, 2015, 09:47:47 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2015, 09:21:39 PM
As it now appears incredibly close a huge welcome to Remi Garde and staff to Aston Villa. You have a huge opportunity to make us great again and end the last few years of misery. Best wishes!
Well said.  A huge welcome to Aston Villa. We founded football as we know it and it's about time we took kour place back among the elite. Please  be the man who puts the pride back in our great football club.  VTID
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on November 01, 2015, 09:51:34 PM
Remi Garde was always my first choice.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on November 01, 2015, 09:53:21 PM
Relegation.

Signed
Sealed
Delivered.

The latest, desperate roll of the dice from our incompetent owner and board*

*Humble pie glady scoffed if relegation avoided.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on November 01, 2015, 09:55:38 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 01, 2015, 09:53:21 PM
Relegation.

Signed
Sealed
Delivered.

The latest, desperate roll of the dice from our incompetent owner and board*

*Humble pie glady scoffed if relegation avoided.

Garde out!!

We haven't taken a single point with him as Manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 01, 2015, 09:57:53 PM
Good luck Remi. Interesting to see what sort of contract we've offered him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: jwarry on November 01, 2015, 09:57:59 PM
And dicky ticker on hand to advise.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11969082/Remi-Garde-to-be-announced-as-new-Aston-Villa-manager-and-is-backed-to-succeed-by-Gerard-Houllier.html
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: papa lazarou on November 01, 2015, 10:00:07 PM
Quote from: not3bad on November 01, 2015, 09:51:34 PM
Remi Garde was always my first choice.

And mine, one of my favouritest managers ever.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on November 01, 2015, 10:01:27 PM
I think credit must go to Fox, identified his man then went and got him. Might not work, let's face it in football far more managerial appointments fail than succeed, but at least it feels progressive and as though there is actually some strategic thinking in place rather than just a finger in the air job.

The transfer fenetre will be vital.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Fasth56 on November 01, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
Claret et bleu de l'armée de Rémi Garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on November 01, 2015, 10:01:52 PM
 
Quote from: not3bad on November 01, 2015, 09:51:34 PM
Remi Garde was always my first choice.

No, I'd never heard of him until last week either  ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villan from luton on November 01, 2015, 10:03:42 PM
I am sure he will know what the French lads are capable of and if he chooses them early on he will have faith in them. It is time for the players to man up, I think only Richards and Gureye or whatever his name is have done that to any great extent. I would add Amavi as well, looks a top prospect but seems nervous after his mistake at Palace.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on November 01, 2015, 10:08:28 PM
Let's have Maxime Gonalons in January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 01, 2015, 10:11:18 PM
'It will be his first managerial post outside of France but the Villa hierarchy are convinced he can mount a revival, following the sacking of Tim Sherwood, and then build the club in line with their long-term vision.'

If he understands their long term vision he is a better man than me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lizz on November 01, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
He's certainly easy on the eye.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on November 01, 2015, 10:13:18 PM
I say, steady on!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 01, 2015, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: Lizz on November 01, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
He's certainly easy on the eye.

Hussy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on November 01, 2015, 10:14:17 PM
Quote from: passport1 on November 01, 2015, 10:11:18 PM
'It will be his first managerial post outside of France but the Villa hierarchy are convinced he can mount a revival, following the sacking of Tim Sherwood, and then build the club in line with their long-term vision.'

If he understands their long term vision he is a better man than me.

We actually have one to understand?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 01, 2015, 10:16:42 PM
Quote from: Lizz on November 01, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
He's certainly easy on the eye.
Mrs Exeter has just observed that he is the same age as David Platt but has aged much better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on November 01, 2015, 10:17:06 PM
Bienvenue, Remi Garde!

Grab your weapons and overcome well, just about everybody.
A few more points would do it.

A la Villa! Oooooh!

Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on November 01, 2015, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Lizz on November 01, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
He's certainly easy on the eye.
Easily the best looking manager in the Premier( assuming Mouriniho is getting the chop)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on November 01, 2015, 10:20:03 PM
It shows a bit of imagination and if it doesn't work out then we are no worse off seeing as how we are bottom anyway. There should certainly be more logic to our team selections for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villan from luton on November 01, 2015, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on November 01, 2015, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Lizz on November 01, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
He's certainly easy on the eye.
Easily the best looking manager in the Premier( assuming Mouriniho is getting the chop)

Have you not heard Big Sam is back?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on November 01, 2015, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on November 01, 2015, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on November 01, 2015, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Lizz on November 01, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
He's certainly easy on the eye.
Easily the best looking manager in the Premier( assuming Mouriniho is getting the chop)

Have you not heard Big Sam is back?

No woman will fancy Remi Garde as much as Alan Pardew fancies himself.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2015, 10:25:39 PM
Quote from: Louzie0Tim on November 01, 2015, 09:37:58 PM
Moyes, for the sake of several other posters, where were you?  Total Crap. Good job I was always after Remi!

I Heart our new manager. What a fantastic appointment.

Doh Remi!

Remi, Remi, I'm so in love with you
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 01, 2015, 10:29:29 PM
Finally, we have a sensible appointment. Whatever happens, there's no questioning the logic of this one.

I suspect this season is going to be a bit scary, but if he can keep us up, we will have laid the first stone on the path towards establishing a proper, progressive footballing ethos at the club.

The future just got a little bit brighter.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on November 01, 2015, 10:32:51 PM
Tres bien.

Welcome Remi, fantastic move from Fox.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SashasGrandad on November 01, 2015, 10:35:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 01, 2015, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: Lizz on November 01, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
He's certainly easy on the eye.

Hussy.

Shameless Hussy
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu82 on November 01, 2015, 10:37:15 PM
Welcome Remi
I hope you can put our club back where it belongs.
Bon chance
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 01, 2015, 10:39:54 PM
Quote from: Lizz on November 01, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
He's certainly easy on the eye.

Fair comment (see what I did?). It's akin to me always hoping the Swedish ladies football team features prominently in tournaments.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SashasGrandad on November 01, 2015, 10:40:19 PM
There are some rousing tunes in Les Mis - perhaps it might brighten up pre-match music.


And I bet some bright spark in the commercial dept will come up with "Moules scratchings"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on November 01, 2015, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: SashasGrandad on November 01, 2015, 10:35:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 01, 2015, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: Lizz on November 01, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
He's certainly easy on the eye.

Hussy.



Shameless Hussey

Agree.
Remi, Remi...just let the Villa win....etc.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 01, 2015, 10:42:00 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on November 01, 2015, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Lizz on November 01, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
He's certainly easy on the eye.
Easily the best looking manager in the Premier( assuming Mouriniho is getting the chop)
Honestly do you ladies think of nothing else but .....? :)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lizz on November 01, 2015, 10:42:32 PM
Quote from: SashasGrandad on November 01, 2015, 10:35:39 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 01, 2015, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: Lizz on November 01, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
He's certainly easy on the eye.

Hussy.

Shameless Hussy

Yep, that's me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 01, 2015, 10:43:48 PM
Bon chance M. Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CJ on November 01, 2015, 10:50:23 PM
Just said on MOTD that appointment confirmed - 3 and a half year deal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on November 01, 2015, 10:50:29 PM
Reported as 3.5 year contract done deal on MOTD2.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DeKuip on November 01, 2015, 10:50:32 PM
If the football's pleasing on the eye I'll develop a man crush too.
Make us sexy.
Welcome and good luck.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 01, 2015, 10:50:34 PM
Confirmed by BBC. Good luck Remi.  I think almost any other time it would be good to appoint him I just worry about the stomach for a fight.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on November 01, 2015, 10:50:49 PM
Quote from: olaftab on November 01, 2015, 10:43:48 PM
Bon chance M. Garde.

Voulez vous un 4 way with Olaf and Lizz?
Just asking
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on November 01, 2015, 10:53:48 PM
Listen. If it takes that to get out of the relegation places...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on November 01, 2015, 10:54:59 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on November 01, 2015, 10:50:34 PM
Confirmed by BBC. Good luck Remi.  I think almost any other time it would be good to appoint him I just worry about the stomach for a fight.

I like the fact that he has turned a number of jobs down already - Lyon in his early coaching days, Monaco and Newcastle.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on November 01, 2015, 10:55:55 PM
Good news. I am convinced that with a normal manager we can improve a lot, Bournemouth is (or are?) not Barcelona after all....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on November 01, 2015, 10:57:08 PM
En Garde!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on November 01, 2015, 10:57:48 PM
Welcome Mr Garde. You have work to do.

Make it good.

Best of luck. You have a lot of goodwill.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on November 01, 2015, 10:58:52 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 01, 2015, 09:53:21 PM
Relegation.

Signed
Sealed
Delivered.

The latest, desperate roll of the dice from our incompetent owner and board*

*Humble pie glady scoffed if relegation avoided.

Sad to say but I agree. I don't understand where the optimism is coming from - this appears another desperate gamble instead a logical nuts n bolts decision for the times. I wish him well naturally but it makes no sense to me at all
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 01, 2015, 10:59:35 PM
Quote from: Louzie0Tim on November 01, 2015, 10:50:49 PM
Quote from: olaftab on November 01, 2015, 10:43:48 PM
Bon chance M. Garde.

Voulez vous un 4 way with Olaf and Lizz?
Just asking
A chance would be tres chance😉
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on November 01, 2015, 11:02:03 PM
Welcome Mr Garde. You have work to do.

Make it good.

Best of luck. You have a lot of goodwill.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 01, 2015, 11:02:07 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 01, 2015, 10:13:22 PM
Quote from: Lizz on November 01, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
He's certainly easy on the eye.

Hussy.

Give it a few weeks he'll look like shite
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 01, 2015, 11:04:34 PM
Quote
“His philosophy will be attack-minded, he likes to build his teams from the back.”

About time!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 01, 2015, 11:06:48 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on November 01, 2015, 10:58:52 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 01, 2015, 09:53:21 PM
Relegation.

Signed
Sealed
Delivered.

The latest, desperate roll of the dice from our incompetent owner and board*

*Humble pie glady scoffed if relegation avoided.

Sad to say but I agree. I don't understand where the optimism is coming from - this appears another desperate gamble instead a logical nuts n bolts decision for the times. I wish him well naturally but it makes no sense to me at all

It's coming from people whose default position isn't misery. You should try it some time. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mallo on November 01, 2015, 11:07:44 PM
Houllier says he's available to help and gives us a good rap - hope this goes well - thin kee'll see some tactics at last!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2015, 11:08:05 PM
Welcome Remi, prove these muppet pundits wrong please.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 01, 2015, 11:11:08 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2015, 11:08:05 PM
Welcome Remi, prove these muppet pundits wrong please.
This for me too.  Such a bunch of wankers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on November 01, 2015, 11:11:20 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 01, 2015, 11:06:48 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on November 01, 2015, 10:58:52 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on November 01, 2015, 09:53:21 PM
Relegation.

Signed
Sealed
Delivered.

The latest, desperate roll of the dice from our incompetent owner and board*

*Humble pie glady scoffed if relegation avoided.

Sad to say but I agree. I don't understand where the optimism is coming from - this appears another desperate gamble instead a logical nuts n bolts decision for the times. I wish him well naturally but it makes no sense to me at all

It's coming from people whose default position isn't misery. You should try it some time.

Well 5 years of abject shit wears the best down. Fingers crossed I guess
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2015, 11:11:27 PM
The interesting thing about this appointment isn't that nobody knows who is. It's that nobody saw this coming. He is a really highly regarded young manager with good experience and excellent pedigree considering who he has learnt from, and we are about to appoint him as our manager. It flies in the face of the cliquey English football media and pundits and for that reason alone I love this even more. Remi Garde is going to be such a breath of fresh air around Villa Park. Well done to the board. It's nice to say that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on November 01, 2015, 11:11:44 PM
Maybe he thinks he is realising his boyhood dream of joining a punk band?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on November 01, 2015, 11:12:00 PM
@SportBTHD: BREAKING: Remi Garde to be joined by Gilles Grimandi at #AVFC.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 01, 2015, 11:14:49 PM
Quote from: cdward on November 01, 2015, 11:12:00 PM
@SportBTHD: BREAKING: Remi Garde to be joined by Gilles Grimandi at #AVFC.

Hmm

Location: Villa Park, Birmingham
Followers: 950
Tweets: 4
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frank on November 01, 2015, 11:15:44 PM
It doesn't seem that this was part of a long-term plan, which was also the case with Sherwood, but it's an interesting appointment. I wish him all the best and a long and successful stay
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Goldie.7 on November 01, 2015, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: cdward on November 01, 2015, 11:12:00 PM
@SportBTHD: BREAKING: Remi Garde to be joined by Gilles Grimandi at #AVFC.

Is that one of whispers accounts?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 01, 2015, 11:16:21 PM
Oo la la.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on November 01, 2015, 11:16:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 01, 2015, 11:14:49 PM
Quote from: cdward on November 01, 2015, 11:12:00 PM
@SportBTHD: BREAKING: Remi Garde to be joined by Gilles Grimandi at #AVFC.

Hmm


Location: Villa Park, Birmingham
Followers: 950
Tweets: 4
You're right, I thought it was BT Sport.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on November 01, 2015, 11:20:01 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on November 01, 2015, 10:08:28 PM
Let's have Maxime Gonalons in January.

If we're still bottom in February, he'll be hung by the Gonalons.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: postal on November 01, 2015, 11:22:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2015, 11:08:05 PM
Welcome Remi, prove these muppet pundits wrong please.

 Yes they say he doesnt have PL experience thats 'cos he is the first foreign manager. Oh he isnt, they didnt say that about Klopp etc

It wont be easy, but we can have hope
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on November 01, 2015, 11:22:21 PM
The French players will be excited presumably?  Gabby, lescott and richardson not so much
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 01, 2015, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on November 01, 2015, 09:29:14 PM
I wanted Moyes, but sod him, I'm right behind our new manager. All is not lost and it's not like we're getting thrashed out of sight every week. Plenty of twists and turns to come and I fully expect Garde to get us out of this mess. Well done, Randy and Tom. I never doubted you'd get us the right man.
Onwards and upwards!

That's the spirit!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: devilla on November 01, 2015, 11:25:37 PM
This feels like a good appointment unlike Sherwood's so I welcome Remi to Villa Park.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on November 01, 2015, 11:29:28 PM
It's on Twitter so it must be true.

Remi Garde is our manager!

Yaaaay!





Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Weedy on November 01, 2015, 11:34:44 PM
AVante Garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 01, 2015, 11:38:23 PM
Having learned from 2 of the most successful coaches in English football in the last 20 years, and endorsed as a top coach by both, I am pretty happy we have someone who has at least got the pedigree to do well. I also think, judging by the fact he has waited for the right chance, he believes there is something here for him to do well with, which is a big bonus considering he rejected Newcastle and Sunderland, and apparently other chances to go back in. I am glad he has found himself an assistant who likes coaching forwards! I hope there is a similar defensive minded coach around the corner too!

The other thing that struck me, 6 weeks 8 weeks before the transfer window, to take the job I reckon he will have been promised 20 ish million to spend in January. Houllier alluded to Villa backing their managers, I reckon there will have been some tough negotiation on January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on November 01, 2015, 11:42:09 PM
Great news, and please emulate Arsene Wenger's french revolution and do it for Aston Villa ;) Good Luck and we want to play football properly, and be entertaining and win. If some players are not good enough sort them out or get rid of them and don't use them ie Ashley Westwood, Gabriel Agbonlahor and co.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on November 01, 2015, 11:43:15 PM
The type of progressive appointment I have wanted since MON left.  Somehow we need to get to 'the club first' principle where the club is more important than the manager or the players.  I know that this is difficult with our media obsessed with the need for personalities but we must move towards a club identity.

I'd like to think that Remi Garde will be quietly efficient and instrumental in advising how the club playing side should be set up from top to bottom.  This will then allow others in the club to deliver, whether it be the player brought in or tactics running through all team levels.  This will mean that young players can be brought through that fit with the first team structure.

It is clear that we cannot compete financially to continue with our traditional approach and be successful.  Our managers of recent times have needed money to buy players and we have seen, without this money, have failed.  From McLeish through to Sherwood, how many players have developed their games, Benteke and Delph perhaps.

I am looking forward to having Remi Garde as manager.  I am just hoping that if he not successful straight away, people give him time.  We are almost going back to square one and starting again.  It will take time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 01, 2015, 11:43:32 PM
I am genuinely excited by this, and am pleased to see us making a progressive choice.
Of course, it's a massive gamble, but any new manager is a gamble.

Good luck Remi.
Make us great again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villan from luton on November 01, 2015, 11:57:16 PM
I hope Garde us our new manager with the back up he is happy with. Then the players have to perform to the standard they can, I will agree the tactics have been strange sometimes but hopefully that is going to change
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: maidstonevillain on November 02, 2015, 12:00:04 AM
Quote from: Louzie0Tim on November 01, 2015, 10:50:49 PM
Quote from: olaftab on November 01, 2015, 10:43:48 PM
Bon chance M. Garde.

Voulez vous un 4 way with Olaf and Lizz?
Just asking

Good to see you are dedicating yourself to the cause.  Lie back and think of Villa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on November 02, 2015, 12:00:57 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 01, 2015, 11:38:23 PM
Having learned from 2 of the most successful coaches in English football in the last 20 years, and endorsed as a top coach by both, I am pretty happy we have someone who has at least got the pedigree to do well. I also think, judging by the fact he has waited for the right chance, he believes there is something here for him to do well with, which is a big bonus considering he rejected Newcastle and Sunderland, and apparently other chances to go back in. I am glad he has found himself an assistant who likes coaching forwards! I hope there is a similar defensive minded coach around the corner too!

The other thing that struck me, 6 weeks 8 weeks before the transfer window, to take the job I reckon he will have been promised 20 ish million to spend in January. Houllier alluded to Villa backing their managers, I reckon there will have been some tough negotiation on January.

To be honest, I think the timing of the appointment is a good one as well.  His first couple of fixtures will be tough, but they will be games no one will be expecting much from so it will give him a chance to look at a few things before we enter a really important run of fixtures. 

Some of the teams down at the bottom are really starting to struggle, so I am hopeful we can pull clear relatively quickly if we can put some results together. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 02, 2015, 12:01:37 AM
I hope he gets the coaching team sorted quickly. If it is just him and Reggie we might be light, especially in light of KMac talking about having to use the youth coaches at the moment with the first team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villan from luton on November 02, 2015, 12:03:56 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2015, 12:00:57 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 01, 2015, 11:38:23 PM
Having learned from 2 of the most successful coaches in English football in the last 20 years, and endorsed as a top coach by both, I am pretty happy we have someone who has at least got the pedigree to do well. I also think, judging by the fact he has waited for the right chance, he believes there is something here for him to do well with, which is a big bonus considering he rejected Newcastle and Sunderland, and apparently other chances to go back in. I am glad he has found himself an assistant who likes coaching forwards! I hope there is a similar defensive minded coach around the corner too!

The other thing that struck me, 6 weeks 8 weeks before the transfer window, to take the job I reckon he will have been promised 20 ish million to spend in January. Houllier alluded to Villa backing their managers, I reckon there will have been some tough negotiation on January.

To be honest, I think the timing of the appointment is a good one as well.  His first couple of fixtures will be tough, but they will be games no one will be expecting much from so it will give him a chance to look at a few things before we enter a really important run of fixtures. 

Some of the teams down at the bottom are really starting to struggle, so I am hopeful we can pull clear relatively quickly if we can put some results together. 

Think the other teams struggling is a bonus but we have to get our own house in order first. I really think we have some decent players, but who is going to score the goals ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ktvillan on November 02, 2015, 12:05:26 AM
I feel a lot more positive about this than either the Lambert or Sherwood appointments.  I'm among those who've advocated a non-British coach because I think the Brits are generally lacking in terms of tactical nous and coaching skills.  Guess I'll look a bit daft if it goes tits up, but I think it's less of a risk than the Sherwood appointment, and more progressive than someone like Moyes.  I hope it works out and shuts up all those so called pundits who backed Sherwood and then said it makes no sense to go for someone without PL experience.  I just hope Sherwood hasn't left him too much of a mountain to climb.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mellin on November 02, 2015, 12:08:14 AM
Exactly @ Luton. We need goals from somewhere and if we do go down, it'll mainly be due to not having a striker of the standard required.

Still, positive appointment and surely the only way is up considering our recent track record.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on November 02, 2015, 12:10:13 AM
Quote from: villan from luton on November 02, 2015, 12:03:56 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2015, 12:00:57 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 01, 2015, 11:38:23 PM
Having learned from 2 of the most successful coaches in English football in the last 20 years, and endorsed as a top coach by both, I am pretty happy we have someone who has at least got the pedigree to do well. I also think, judging by the fact he has waited for the right chance, he believes there is something here for him to do well with, which is a big bonus considering he rejected Newcastle and Sunderland, and apparently other chances to go back in. I am glad he has found himself an assistant who likes coaching forwards! I hope there is a similar defensive minded coach around the corner too!

The other thing that struck me, 6 weeks 8 weeks before the transfer window, to take the job I reckon he will have been promised 20 ish million to spend in January. Houllier alluded to Villa backing their managers, I reckon there will have been some tough negotiation on January.

To be honest, I think the timing of the appointment is a good one as well.  His first couple of fixtures will be tough, but they will be games no one will be expecting much from so it will give him a chance to look at a few things before we enter a really important run of fixtures. 

Some of the teams down at the bottom are really starting to struggle, so I am hopeful we can pull clear relatively quickly if we can put some results together. 

Think the other teams struggling is a bonus but we have to get our own house in order first. I really think we have some decent players, but who is going to score the goals ?

Agree about us getting our house in order, but if we can manage to do so fairly sharpish, we could find ourselves moving up the table quite quickly. 

I also agree that goals remain a worry and it might be an issue that isn't properly addressed until January.  I think we have goals in the team, but we are also going to have to tighten up at the back in order to start winning games.  We desperately need a striker and someone who can deliver a good set piece in January though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villan from luton on November 02, 2015, 12:13:18 AM
Quote from: ktvillan on November 02, 2015, 12:05:26 AM
I feel a lot more positive about this than either the Lambert or Sherwood appointments.  I'm among those who've advocated a non-British coach because I think the Brits are generally lacking in terms of tactical nous and coaching skills.  Guess I'll look a bit daft if it goes tits up, but I think it's less of a risk than the Sherwood appointment, and more progressive than someone like Moyes.  I hope it works out and shuts up all those so called pundits who backed Sherwood and then said it makes no sense to go for someone without PL experience.  I just hope Sherwood hasn't left him too much of a mountain to climb.

I think the new manager has a bit of time to sort things out, Sherwood was all talk, but in the end didn't live up to it. He said we would never be in the same position again, and this is someone I wanted in charge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on November 02, 2015, 12:21:45 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 02, 2015, 12:00:57 AM
To be honest, I think the timing of the appointment is a good one as well.  His first couple of fixtures will be tough, but they will be games no one will be expecting much from so it will give him a chance to look at a few things before we enter a really important run of fixtures. 

After Man City there is the international break, so he has only 1 match in 3 weeks.  The international breaks are disruptive with players going off around the world but it will give him some time to work with the other players and get to know the surroundings and staff.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Skerra on November 02, 2015, 12:26:40 AM
My Wife who has zilch interest in football just commented that he will have a lovely French accent!! I told her that the important thing is that he get's us out of this mess and, she said that's nonsense as he's also a good looker!!!

Anyway, the more I hear about him, the more I think he will do the job for us. Bit of a tactical thinker and, let's not forget that he already knows what our French lads are capable of from his experience in Ligue 1. Also he will be able to put his ideas to them in their native tongue and, I understand that he also speaks good English. Best of both worlds. Hopefully, he will have a bit of an input into team selection for match tomorrow. I think we will know if he has as soon as we see the line up.

I'm really starting to believe that the very weird team selections from TS were purely down to having fallen out with the hierarchy, he was willing to risk his own job by picking his own team in defiance, probably knowing there were better players on the bench but, they were not his players.

Anyway what ever was the truth, he left us in a shit situation but, got more of a pay off than you or I will earn in our entire lives. Who are the real fools, us for paying the sums of money we do to go and watch or TS? Answers on a post card please.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Damo70 on November 02, 2015, 12:36:22 AM
I'm underwhelmed and on face value he seems like a cheap and cheerful and easily available option. I'm not quite sure where all the optimism on this thread is coming from. I felt we needed Moyes or Pearson to dig us out of trouble in the short term at least. But hopefully he will be to us as Pochettino was for Southampton and turn out to be a good choice.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 02, 2015, 12:43:06 AM
I don't think he will be the cheap option Damo. Maybe in wages, but with a growing reputation, I would imagine he will have been fairly demanding.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Damo70 on November 02, 2015, 12:57:38 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 02, 2015, 12:43:06 AM
I don't think he will be the cheap option Damo. Maybe in wages, but with a growing reputation, I would imagine he will have been fairly demanding.


It just reminds me of an old This Is Your Life where Eddie Large paid tribute to whoever it was by video message and said "Sorry we can't be with you tonight but all the good acts are too busy working" .
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2015, 01:04:16 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 02, 2015, 12:36:22 AM
I'm underwhelmed and on face value he seems like a cheap and cheerful and easily available option. I'm not quite sure where all the optimism on this thread is coming from. I felt we needed Moyes or Pearson to dig us out of trouble in the short term at least. But hopefully he will be to us as Pochettino was for Southampton and turn out to be a good choice.

I just don't get this, Moyes did well at Everton but that's 3 years ago and he's struggled since he left, I get the appeal but I jut can't see him as the obvious candidate who'd be our saviour that many are presenting him as.  As for Pearson I've said before if he'd have arrived I'd have genuinely given up on club until he left, he makes Keane seem like a decent, rational person.

On topic I think this is a really good move from the club, it might not work out, there's always risks, but for the first time under Lerner we've looked at the squad we have and gone for a manager to make the most of it rather than putting names on a wall and throwing darts.  I've tried to understand the thinking behind every appointment and I've always been able to get a hint of a plan but it's always felt like I'm seeing a pattern because I want it to be there rather than because it exists.  This time the logic behind the appointment, even though it's not someone the fans would've picked, is easy to see, that's what I want,a  board who act like they're part of the game and can see more than the average fans, rather than looking like idiots who've been taken in by another snake-oil salesman.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Axl Rose on November 02, 2015, 01:11:50 AM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on November 01, 2015, 11:11:08 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2015, 11:08:05 PM
Welcome Remi, prove these muppet pundits wrong please.
This for me too.  Such a bunch of wankers.

Same here. Good luck, Remi!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passitsideways on November 02, 2015, 01:12:32 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 02, 2015, 12:36:22 AM
I'm underwhelmed and on face value he seems like a cheap and cheerful and easily available option. I'm not quite sure where all the optimism on this thread is coming from. I felt we needed Moyes or Pearson to dig us out of trouble in the short term at least. But hopefully he will be to us as Pochettino was for Southampton and turn out to be a good choice.

I don't see how you can describe him as being 'easily available', given the wrangle over his coaching staff, at least when you're throwing Pearson out there as an alternative, who, if he weren't such a prick, would've begged for the job if he thought he might have had a sniff.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Damo70 on November 02, 2015, 01:14:43 AM
Admittedly for those who like their stats Nigel Pearson and David Moyes both have a 43% win percentage as managers whilst Remi Garde has a record of 51%.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Damo70 on November 02, 2015, 01:17:51 AM
Quote from: passitsideways on November 02, 2015, 01:12:32 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 02, 2015, 12:36:22 AM
I'm underwhelmed and on face value he seems like a cheap and cheerful and easily available option. I'm not quite sure where all the optimism on this thread is coming from. I felt we needed Moyes or Pearson to dig us out of trouble in the short term at least. But hopefully he will be to us as Pochettino was for Southampton and turn out to be a good choice.

I don't see how you can describe him as being 'easily available', given the wrangle over his coaching staff, at least when you're throwing Pearson out there as an alternative, who, if he weren't such a prick, would've begged for the job if he thought he might have had a sniff.



I apologise for calling him 'easily available'. The more accurate phrase would have been 'out of work for over a year'.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passitsideways on November 02, 2015, 01:23:11 AM
I guess we won't ever find out, but I would feel better about this if Garde's been in their thinking for a while now as part of a strategy that also covers the kinds of players we bought in the summer and will look to buy going forward; as opposed to being someone they randomly scrabbled up a month or so ago when it was starting to become clear Sherwood wasn't up to the job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Damo70 on November 02, 2015, 01:27:31 AM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who stuffs up with epic quote failures. I usually send an SOS to PWS to sort it out ASAP PDQ. ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 02, 2015, 01:29:48 AM
I think i'd have given up if we'd hired a twat like Pearson. A disaster waiting to happen off the pitch and if he's so good as a manager, why did it take Leicester until April to win their 5th league game of last season? Takes more than a freak run of 8 or 9 games to make a decent manager at this level.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 02, 2015, 01:31:35 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 02, 2015, 01:27:31 AM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who stuffs up with epic quote failures. I usually send an SOS to PWS to sort it out ASAP PDQ. ;)

Sneaky bugger deleted it! I'm always on lookout for your bat signal when you're needing help.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villan from luton on November 02, 2015, 01:48:24 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 02, 2015, 01:17:51 AM
Quote from: passitsideways on November 02, 2015, 01:12:32 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 02, 2015, 12:36:22 AM
I'm underwhelmed and on face value he seems like a cheap and cheerful and easily available option. I'm not quite sure where all the optimism on this thread is coming from. I felt we needed Moyes or Pearson to dig us out of trouble in the short term at least. But hopefully he will be to us as Pochettino was for Southampton and turn out to be a good choice.

I don't see how you can describe him as being 'easily available', given the wrangle over his coaching staff, at least when you're throwing Pearson out there as an alternative, who, if he weren't such a prick, would've begged for the job if he thought he might have had a sniff.



I apologise for calling him 'easily available'. The more accurate phrase would have been 'out of work for over a year'.

He chose that and he had chances to change that
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Broughty-Villian on November 02, 2015, 02:03:02 AM
Very smart appointment. Hope it works well for the club, and Garde. Here's to the next 3.5 years
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 05:11:24 AM
I hope he has a strong personality and can deal with the likes of Micah Richards and Agbonlahor,I get the feeling that Gestede will not be to his liking.Pity we didn't get the assistants he wanted that worries me.He should like Jack and in particular Carles both should improve under him,
 All that matters as far as the club owner is concerned is staying in the top league.He has plenty of time to achieve this aim. Long term who knows? If he is successful he will. probably move on and off we go again.I shall look forward to his first interview.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on November 02, 2015, 05:47:11 AM
Welcome to Villa Park Remi and wish you all the luck in the world, as to the lack of a goal scorer, maybe he might be progressive enough to get other players scoring, rather than just relying on one player like we have been doing for so long.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 06:57:15 AM
More than anything let's hope this marks the beginning of restoring  dignity,  passion and pride to what we know to be one of football's great clubs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 02, 2015, 06:59:55 AM
Some talk he will be on a deal till the end of the season initially with the rest on extension. I can understand that but if we go down we still need a vision to come back and recent years site the best way out the championship is to play good football, not to simply hoof and run like it used to be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JJ-AV on November 02, 2015, 07:06:05 AM
Hard not to be excited by this isn't it? We've got to win 10 of 28. If we don't, I'm sure he's the right man long-term.

Allez Remi!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on November 02, 2015, 07:16:55 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 05:11:24 AM
I hope he has a strong personality and can deal with the likes of Micah Richards and Agbonlahor,I get the feeling that Gestede will not be to his liking.Pity we didn't get the assistants he wanted that worries me.He should like Jack and in particular Carles both should improve under him,
 All that matters as far as the club owner is concerned is staying in the top league.He has plenty of time to achieve this aim. Long term who knows? If he is successful he will. probably move on and off we go again.I shall look forward to his first interview.

What's Micah Richards done that's so wrong?

Yeah, welcome Remi and the best of luck.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on November 02, 2015, 07:41:33 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 02, 2015, 06:59:55 AM
Some talk he will be on a deal till the end of the season initially with the rest on extension. I can understand that but if we go down we still need a vision to come back and recent years site the best way out the championship is to play good football, not to simply hoof and run like it used to be.

're: the first line about the deal to the end of the season. I hope this is true as it shows that the club is learning from its mistakes a la Sherwood. Good move. As for Garde, I want him to succeed. Wouldn't have been my first choice but he has my 100% backing. Bring in at least two good players in January and we will be ok. Tough fixtures ahead but we aren't cut adrift yet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 02, 2015, 07:49:19 AM
Big name striker to come in during the January window, I reckon. Randy will spend big like he did with Bent. If it costs 30 million and keeps us up, it'll be worth it for Randy from a financial perspective. This is definitely not the year to be relegated.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 07:57:34 AM
Sounds like a shortlist of one......
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frank black on November 02, 2015, 07:58:38 AM
Got Vicki Michelle in my head saying (which is no bad thing)

"Ooh Remi"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: l_mckay on November 02, 2015, 08:01:43 AM
Must admit didn't know anything about him until a week ago,nervous but excited at the same time. Good luck Remi! UTV
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2015, 08:17:52 AM
I'm genuinely excited by this appointment. And it's the first time I've been excited by Villa in a long time, it just feels right.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villabear on November 02, 2015, 08:19:33 AM
Bienvenue à Aston Villa Remi , le plus grand club de football dans le monde!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 08:20:41 AM
Quote from: Clampy on November 02, 2015, 07:16:55 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 05:11:24 AM
I hope he has a strong personality and can deal with the likes of Micah Richards and Agbonlahor,I get the feeling that Gestede will not be to his liking.Pity we didn't get the assistants he wanted that worries me.He should like Jack and in particular Carles both should improve under him,
 All that matters as far as the club owner is concerned is staying in the top league.He has plenty of time to achieve this aim. Long term who knows? If he is successful he will. probably move on and off we go again.I shall look forward to his first interview.

What's Micah Richards done that's so wrong?

Yeah, welcome Remi and the best of luck.

Nothing at all Clampy.In fact I think he has performed well.I. just feel apprehensive about him having his say in the media if things don't improve under the new manager and his staff.In other words rocking the boat.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 02, 2015, 08:22:47 AM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 07:57:34 AM
Sounds like a shortlist of one......


I don't think there is a queue of top coaches eager to work under our regime.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: postal on November 02, 2015, 08:31:49 AM
Quote from: passport1 on November 02, 2015, 08:22:47 AM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 07:57:34 AM
Sounds like a shortlist of one......


I don't think there is a queue of top coaches eager to work under our regime.

The "pundits" said that it should have been a british manager... Rodgers said he wasnt interested and we heard nothing publically from Moyes. 
But Garde will have done his homework, spoken to people and sees that he could the job here.

We have been unlucky in a lot of games, and a lot of that is confidence led, and a swapping of formation each week, so the players get mixed messages.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Boz on November 02, 2015, 08:53:34 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 02, 2015, 12:36:22 AM
I'm underwhelmed and on face value he seems like a cheap and cheerful and easily available option. I'm not quite sure where all the optimism on this thread is coming from. I felt we needed Moyes or Pearson to dig us out of trouble in the short term at least. But hopefully he will be to us as Pochettino was for Southampton and turn out to be a good choice.

We all have an opinion which we are entitled to, but how do you reckon Garde is a cheap and cheerful option. You're unlikely to know the financial details other than he does not require a contract buy out, but if he obtains the assistants he wants, I'm assuming they will cost some money.

As for the optimism on the thread, this appointment shows a greater aspiration and something more than the same old British type of appointment such as Moyes or Pearson who might get us out of relegation trouble, but are never likely to attain the top 5/6.

Hopefully, Garde will be the start of something better as a long term objective.

UTV
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on November 02, 2015, 08:55:36 AM
If you're going to Spuds tonight make Remi feel welcome and show him how cosmopolitan we are by singing our song in French. here's an easy to understand guide to help you.........
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Virgil Caine on November 02, 2015, 08:59:49 AM
Reginald Ray to be his assistant according to BBC, apologies if this has been picked up already. Not a great deal to found, similar age to Remi and a former player in the French lower leagues. Interesting that he has been with FC Bastia as Assitant Manager since 2010 so some experience there.

As to whether Villa are still pursuing the Lyon assistant and fitness coach is not known or being reported on but I guess we will find out when official announcement on Remi is made by the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 02, 2015, 09:07:53 AM
Good work Villa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: levico on November 02, 2015, 09:11:29 AM
It's probably been said already but we are into the unknown here with Garde and all we can do is get behind him and the team to get out of this awful mess.

If we don't, it won't be Garde's fault - that blame lies with Lerner, Fox, Reilly and Almstadt.

But taking a medium/long term view maybe, just maybe we're on the verge of something here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 02, 2015, 09:14:01 AM
I hope after getting "our man" we don't cock up by getting an inferior back room team. For the last few years we have endured

Players clearly not fit enough, physically and mentally to last 90 mins -  switching off on a regular individual and group basis
Tactical naivety
Awful substitutions
Dreadful set pieces with no variation or perceived drill practice
No touchline motivation or instruction

All of these facets of the game are supported if not directly controlled by the Management team both at training and on match day

The Managers support team is critical and I fear we are already heading for 2nd best - I really hope not

Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 02, 2015, 09:16:29 AM
Garde walked out on Lyon, for personal reasons. He's managed in the Champions league, reached the knockouts and is generally highly regarded (outside or the moronic British press and Lawro etc). One thing he isn't is cheap and cheerful and he certainly doesn't come across as a yes or company man having walked out his previous job because he wanted to.

If it doesn't work we are relegated. I think it will, surely a decent manager can get more out of this squad that Norwich, Bournemouth and Sunderlands.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 02, 2015, 09:21:49 AM
Reginald Ray mainly works with the teams attackers, so does Gerald Baticle, so it's pretty certain the later won't be coming.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on November 02, 2015, 09:26:06 AM
Bonjour et bon chance Remi.

Apart from anything else, a dream for sub-editors, e.g.
For when they are called in for extra training: TRAIN GARDE
For when he is angered by the match officials: GARDE RAILS AGAINST REF
Next week in the local rag: FIRE GARDE, by Stanley Victor
What his brief is: VILLA SEEK SECURITY, GARDE
On his appointment as manager of Aston Villa: GARDE, THE HONOUR
When he recommends a couple of Scandinavians before the January transfer window: GARDE, DO NORSE

Time to stop.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: richard moore on November 02, 2015, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on November 02, 2015, 09:14:01 AM
I hope after getting "our man" we don't cock up by getting an inferior back room team. For the last few years we have endured

Players clearly not fit enough, physically and mentally to last 90 mins -  switching off on a regular individual and group basis
Tactical naivety
Awful substitutions
Dreadful set pieces with no variation or perceived drill practice
No touchline motivation or instruction

All of these facets of the game are supported if not directly controlled by the Management team both at training and on match day

The Managers support team is critical and I fear we are already heading for 2nd best - I really hope not



Don't forget the bloody awful throw ins where no one moves to make space for the ball...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: richard moore on November 02, 2015, 09:32:35 AM
Quote from: levico on November 02, 2015, 09:11:29 AM
It's probably been said already but we are into the unknown here with Garde and all we can do is get behind him and the team to get out of this awful mess.

If we don't, it won't be Garde's fault - that blame lies with Lerner, Fox, Reilly and Almstadt.

But taking a medium/long term view maybe, just maybe we're on the verge of something here.

I get what you are saying, but aren't we into the unknown with anyone? I can't imagine how anyone could predict how we'd do with any manager - Moyes, Allardyce etc. Oh hang on, maybe you could with Pulis
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on November 02, 2015, 09:35:18 AM
Time for one more.

For when he has to speak harshly to the players: GARDE IS ON CROSSWORDS (too subtle? The solution (geddit?): GUARDIAN CROSSWORDS).

OK. I'll stop now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 09:41:35 AM
Really hope he does a good job but it's strange days for me when we appoint a manager I've never heard of to coach a team, many of who I'd never heard of before we signed them and they took us to the bottom of the league( Hands up, how many people on here had heard of most of these signings?). Shed load of work to be done and  never mind medium or long term targets, we're in the shit and he's got 3 quarters of a season to move us up 3 places. Starts tonight. I'm worried but not as worried as I've been these last few weeks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 09:44:28 AM
Quote from: Clampy on November 02, 2015, 07:16:55 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 05:11:24 AM
I hope he has a strong personality and can deal with the likes of Micah Richards and Agbonlahor,I get the feeling that Gestede will not be to his liking.Pity we didn't get the assistants he wanted that worries me.He should like Jack and in particular Carles both should improve under him,
 All that matters as far as the club owner is concerned is staying in the top league.He has plenty of time to achieve this aim. Long term who knows? If he is successful he will. probably move on and off we go again.I shall look forward to his first interview.

What's Micah Richards done that's so wrong?

Yeah, welcome Remi and the best of luck.
I'd guess it's the comments from Richards when he signed along the lines that Sherwood had promised him he'd play centre back instead of right back and the perception that that's been the case regardless of what's best for the team. Richards at right back, and Okore in the middle for example (since Okore has been available again).
Then there were Richards' comments in the press following Sherwood's dismissal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Wiggz on November 02, 2015, 09:46:00 AM
Really want him to succeed, but I fear for us, no matter who comes in. 4 points from 10 games...do the maths in terms of the results we must get to get to 38 points...go on, just take a minute and have a look at the turn around we need.

So, Remi Garde...unproven outside France, and only one full season in France in the top job....I worry!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 09:49:02 AM
Quote from: Wiggz on November 02, 2015, 09:46:00 AM
Really want him to succeed, but I fear for us, no matter who comes in. 4 points from 10 games...do the maths in terms of the results we must get to get to 38 points...go on, just take a minute and have a look at the turn around we need.

So, Remi Garde...unproven outside France, and only one three full seasons in France in the top job....I worry!

Fixed
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: He wears a magic hat on November 02, 2015, 09:49:12 AM
Personally I think there is alot of misplaced optimism on here.

My feeling is that this appointment is our Pepe Mel. Really hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2015, 09:50:21 AM
That's the spirit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2015, 09:50:21 AM
That's the spirit.

Can you blame people if they resort to a default negative reaction to the news that we've signed an unknown fella to manage us. Especially given Lerner's track record for appointing progressively worse managers?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tony scott on November 02, 2015, 09:57:46 AM
Hope He sees out his contract and leaves us in good shape ,our expectations have been constantly lowered over the last 5 seasons contrary to views stated by various pundits ,donc Bon chance M Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: NeilH on November 02, 2015, 09:58:38 AM
I only hope that the club having been clear on this appointment and taking the gamble sticks with him. Like many here, I feel that it will take quite some effort to turn us around giving the years of decline. Should we go down, I want us firstly to stick with Garde. Secondly I want us to thoroughly review the club policy, accept that the last 5 years of poor decision-making would have led to this and then to find a very clear policy to rejuvenate the club….and stick to it because this flimflamming from one strategy to the next has led us to where we are now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 02, 2015, 10:00:38 AM
Bienvenu, Remi - et foutez les fouteurs! (I know that's not exactly correct French, but hey.)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 02, 2015, 10:02:30 AM
I feel like I am inside that locker on the station when Will Smith opens it in Men in Black II.  Goggle eyed mass staring up at the newcomer chanting All hail Remi!!! All hail Remi!!!

Excellent choice.  Mille fois bienvenu.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Boz on November 02, 2015, 10:04:00 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on November 02, 2015, 09:14:01 AM
I hope after getting "our man" we don't cock up by getting an inferior back room team. For the last few years we have endured

Players clearly not fit enough, physically and mentally to last 90 mins -  switching off on a regular individual and group basis
Tactical naivety
Awful substitutions
Dreadful set pieces with no variation or perceived drill practice
No touchline motivation or instruction

All of these facets of the game are supported if not directly controlled by the Management team both at training and on match day

The Managers support team is critical and I fear we are already heading for 2nd best - I really hope not

Spot on, just as important as the manager.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: auntiesledd on November 02, 2015, 10:04:35 AM
Quote from: Mon Pied Gauche on November 02, 2015, 08:59:49 AM
Reginald Ray to be his assistant according to BBC, apologies if this has been picked up already. Not a great deal to found, similar age to Remi and a former player in the French lower leagues. Interesting that he has been with FC Bastia as Assitant Manager since 2010 so some experience there.

As to whether Villa are still pursuing the Lyon assistant and fitness coach is not known or being reported on but I guess we will find out when official announcement on Remi is made by the club.

Zut alors! Has he got a twin brother called Ronnie?

ps I sincerely hope Monsieur Garde's appointment results in putting smiles back on the faces of Villa supporters (rather than those of the opposition). Bon chance Remi & here's to you helping our club out of this monumentally crap situation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Oscar Arce on November 02, 2015, 10:07:50 AM
A massive gamble, and Lerner's recent appointments can only fill us with pessimism.
Also if the unthinkable happens how will he get us out of the Championship?
People like Pearson, Rogers and others have the experience to get out of that division should the nightmare scenario occur.
I really hope it is an inspired, creative appointment that we will all look back on as Lerner's finest hour, but would anybody bet on it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 02, 2015, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: Wiggz on November 02, 2015, 09:46:00 AM
Really want him to succeed, but I fear for us, no matter who comes in. 4 points from 10 games...do the maths in terms of the results we must get to get to 38 points...go on, just take a minute and have a look at the turn around we need.

So, Remi Garde...unproven outside France, and only one full season in France in the top job....I worry!

We don't need 38 points, we just need to get more than Sunderland, Norwich and Bournemouth, which should not be beyond us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 02, 2015, 10:11:35 AM
Probably about 30 then :D
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Boz on November 02, 2015, 10:11:59 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2015, 09:50:21 AM
That's the spirit.

Can you blame people if they resort to a default negative reaction to the news that we've signed an unknown fella to manage us. Especially given Lerner's track record for appointing progressively worse managers?

We need some optimism after the trials and tribulations of the last few managers and this at least shows some initiative.

I see Pat Murphy is also casting a negative slant on Garde's appointment, but it's not surprising as Villa have never been in favour with Murphy.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 02, 2015, 10:13:48 AM
I'm happy with the appointment,
 I'm also happy to admit he's never appeared on my radar until last week apart from his spell as a player with arsenal

so I'm only going on what I read about him but seems the sort of manager I always wanted us to go for,
 I was one of only 3 on here that was banging on for Martinez right back when we appointed Houllier

I don't think we have a squad that can fight its way out of relegation trouble, we need to play are way out and hopefully he can do that,
I do think we maybe lack a bit of heart for the fight, its a difficult thing to explain 'heart' and 'fight' but I look at the squad and there is only Richards, Hutton and maybe Gestede who for me would roll there sleeves up and go into battle, and lets face it two of them are not that great at football at the moment

Garde himself looks a little lightweight to in that department, so I can understand people not being totally on board with the change, but for me the povs outweigh the negs long term

I have said all along that whoever we bring in what we need most is a bit of luck, no one knows how the fit will be until you put your man in,
 lets hope we get some long overdue luck and this turns into a perfect match
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 02, 2015, 10:14:39 AM
Welcome Remi :)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on November 02, 2015, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: He wears a magic hat on November 02, 2015, 09:49:12 AM
Personally I think there is alot of misplaced optimism on here.

My feeling is that this appointment is our Pepe Mel. Really hope I'm wrong
All we can do is get behind him and the team and hope for the best. Yes, we know it's a risk but who else would be guaranteed to save us? Perhaps Pulis but when that was muted 2 years ago the fans were divided by the very thought of him coming. Good luck Remi, if you don't save us I won't be blaming you that's for sure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2015, 10:17:24 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2015, 09:50:21 AM
That's the spirit.

Can you blame people if they resort to a default negative reaction to the news that we've signed an unknown fella to manage us. Especially given Lerner's track record for appointing progressively worse managers?



I'm not sure he should be completely unknown. Plus even if he is to some, we've hired numerous 'known' managers of the last few years who have been complete failures. Maybe it's a good sign that we're looking further afield.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2015, 10:20:58 AM
Quote from: Oscar Arce on November 02, 2015, 10:07:50 AM
A massive gamble, and Lerner's recent appointments can only fill us with pessimism.
Also if the unthinkable happens how will he get us out of the Championship?
People like Pearson, Rogers and others have the experience to get out of that division should the nightmare scenario occur.
I really hope it is an inspired, creative appointment that we will all look back on as Lerner's finest hour, but would anybody bet on it?

Appointing the obvious media favourites is exactly what got us here and is exactly what Pearson, Moyes and Rodgers represented.  The safety first options have been killing the club and we really need to break out of that cycle, I don't know if Garde is the man to do that but I know there's more chance of it than if we'd gone for the 'premier league experience' route that many now seem to have wanted.

As for comments about those managers being more capable of getting us back up if we go down, there's 10 games gone and the absolute truth is that we have a game in hand and 27 more besides to gain 4 points on sunderland, newcastle and bournemouth.  Forget points per game, or a minimum of 40 points, those will take care of themselves.  Having watched 2 of those teams yesterday it's hard to be worried, they're far worse than we have been so far this season, Sunderland especially put in as poor a defensive performance as you'll ever see, and that was with a safe option in charge.  Given all of that please forgive me if the managers credentials for getting teams promoted from the championship isn't something I see as a pressing concern.

I think some fans (of all clubs) have a bad habit of thinking that every other team will go on a run of victories so we have to do it first to get some breathing space when in truth there's usually 1-2 bottom half teams per season that manage to get a run like that to pull clear.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on November 02, 2015, 10:23:25 AM
Welcome to the greatest club you will ever represent.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ktvillan on November 02, 2015, 10:24:48 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 09:57:31 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2015, 09:50:21 AM
That's the spirit.

Can you blame people if they resort to a default negative reaction to the news that we've signed an unknown fella to manage us. Especially given Lerner's track record for appointing progressively worse managers?



Different era I know, and he did have a more than decent track record at Monaco, but when Arsenal hired Wenger one paper responded with the headline "Arsene who?".  He then went on to sign a fair few promising French and France based players who most of us had probably heard little or nothing of at the time.   Two of the first were Vieira (who didn't turn out too bad) and Garde.  Just saying, it could be a disaster, but it need not be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 10:29:28 AM
Quote from: Oscar Arce on November 02, 2015, 10:07:50 AM
A massive gamble, and Lerner's recent appointments can only fill us with pessimism.
Also if the unthinkable happens how will he get us out of the Championship?
People like Pearson, Rogers and others have the experience to get out of that division should the nightmare scenario occur.
I really hope it is an inspired, creative appointment that we will all look back on as Lerner's finest hour, but would anybody bet on it?

Who wouldn't be gamble?

Pearson, over and above being the kind of obnoxious individual who should only be allowed into Villa Park as part of the opposition team, has a record of one winning streak. He could just as easily by last season's Phil Brown or Paul Jewell.
Rogers. If you want experience of fighting a relegation battle, where's he tried that?
Moyes. Starting to look a bit like he's peaked in terms of what he's going to do. Spent too long in a comfort zone at Everton maybe?

With regards getting us back up if the worst happens, recent history suggests that the teams that actually play football instead of Pulisball stand the best chance of getting promoted.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mellin on November 02, 2015, 10:29:37 AM
I really don't understand for the calls for the likes of Moyes, Rodgers and Pearson. They've all failed elsewhere, one or two in a fashion they may never recover from. We appointed Vengalos over 25 years ago, which was the wrong man at the wrong time. Since then we've only dabbled with Houllier, whilst 9 of the current top 10 all have foreign coaches (Palace in 10th do not). A step into the unknown is not a bad thing, especially with someone who has quietly developed himself something of a reputation. This is a shrewd move and I hope it pays dividends.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on November 02, 2015, 10:30:19 AM
Similar to the player appointments in the summer really, in that it may not work but you can at least follow the logic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on November 02, 2015, 10:33:29 AM
Optimistic amongst us will say its a forward thinking appointment that should have happened years ago.  But then many people thought Luke Moore and Nathan Delfonuso were the future of the club.

 The pessimistic say its experience we need and Garde has precious little where it counts.  And many people also had us a dead cents for relegation in each of our last 4 seasons.

The truth is somewhere in between, he'll make mistakes and staying up won't be easy in our situation but this should help many of our French speaking signing and be a shot in the arm for the squad. We've now got to support the new bloke, give him a chance and hope for the best.  Predictions, I've no idea anymore.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on November 02, 2015, 10:36:22 AM
Get French Football News (http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/remi-garde-aston-villa-a-match-made-in-heaven/)

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Remi Garde & Aston Villa: A match made in heaven?

Eric Devin analyses the potential for Aston Villa if Remi Garde was to take over, including an in-depth look at his past, his favoured tactical set-ups and how he would likely approach Aston Villa’s current squad.

With the news arriving on Sunday that Aston Villa would be sacking Tim Sherwood, hero of last season’s relegation fight but ultimately doomed by a poor start to this campaign, talk has rapidly turned to his potential successors. To the surprise of some, the favourite has emerged as ex-Lyon manager Remi Garde.

Once tipped for the Arsenal job in the wake of that club’s unrest over Arsene Wenger’s lack of trophies, the former France international has been a pundit with Canal + since resigning from the Lyon job following the 2013-14 season.

The idea that he would subject himself to a relegation scrap in a country where he still lacks a full grasp of the English language at a club the owner is desperate to sell, especially after the Arsenal links (even if they were farfetched), made this news yesterday slightly surprising when it broke yesterday.

However, both Tom Fox, Villa’s chief executive and Henrik Almstadt, the club’s sporting director, were previously employed at Arsenal and would have a keen understanding of his potential vis-a-vis their conversations with Wenger. Furthermore, Villa’s acquisition of several French-speaking players over the summer window (Jordan Veretout, Jordan Amavi, Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gueye) has not immediately paid dividends, despite the quartet’s obvious talents.

The thinking, then in some quarters is that the arrival of a French-speaking manager may do much to ease what has been an uneven transition for the four, who, given their fees and experience, have been somewhat disappointing, particularly Ayew and Veretout.

While Gueye and Amavi have done fairly well, the club is under pressure to win, and win now. With owner Randy Lerner having finally opened his wallet, he must surely have been expecting more than to be rooted to the bottom of the Premier League after ten matches.

With that in mind, an introduction to Garde as a manager, coupled with a potential for how he could operate at Villa is presented is laid out for you below, with the hope being that some light might be shed on a manager whose time at Lyon was one of mitigating circumstances owing to the club’s financial situation.

Who is Remi Garde?

A Lyon local who came up the club’s academy before breaking through to the first team, Garde has rarely been far from the club in his heart. A stalwart at the dawn of Jean-Michel Aulas’ presidency, Garde was an ever-present as the club earned promotion and then qualified for Europe under their ambitious new leader. His head was momentarily turned in 1993, when he joined Strasbourg, winning the UEFA Cup with the team before heading to Arsenal in 1996.

This move was a bit of a surprise, as Garde, an assured defensive midfielder, was not the type of foreigner that the Premier League generally sought at the time. Too, at 30, there was some questioning over such a big move at a relatively old age.

While never a fixture in Wenger’s first eleven, Garde was an adept backup for the likes of Patrick Vieira and Emmanuel Petit, adding necessary depth to a squad that won the double in his second year at the club. Hobbled by a chronic knee injury, Garde retired as a player at just 33 in 1999, going to work as a pundit on French television.

However, merely providing insight on the game which had done so well by him wasn’t enough, and he soon returned to the club of his youth, as a coach under Paul Le Guen. Garde remained at the club when Gerard Houllier replaced Le Guen, being promoted to assistant manager.

When Houllier left and was eventually replaced by Claude Puel, Garde moved to head of academy development, overseeing the schooling of the likes of Maxime Gonalons, Anthony Lopes, Samuel Umtiti and Loic Remy. When Puel was dismissed following a tumultuous 2010-11 season, Garde was tapped to replace him, taking charge of what had been France’s most successful club over the previous decade.

However, what had made the club so successful was an aggressive policy of selling on young players and bringing in a raft of foreign players for low transfer fees. Failure to make any real progress in the Champions’ League had seen the club, in desperation, overreach in their transfer spending, bringing in such players as Lisandro Lopez, Yoann Gourcuff and Michel Bastos at eye-watering fees. When 2011 saw the team crash out to Real Madrid in the Round of 16 in the Champions’ League and scrape third in the league, changes were afoot.

That summer, rather than continuing to bring in big-name players, the club instituted a new, increasingly severe policy of austerity. Jeremy Toulalan and Miralem Pjanic, important pieces of the squad the previous season, departed and their replacements were, to be charitable, uninspiring.

Nevertheless, Garde made his start with what was still a formidable collection of international-level players: Kim Kallstrom, Anthony Reveillere and Hugo Lloris were regulars for club and country, and the club were generally healthy, only Yoann Gourcuff missing any extended time. The club saw a return to the knockout stages of the Champions’ League and reached both domestic finals, but only finished fourth in the league, a dismal ten points off the top three.

While Aulas had generally been quick on the trigger in terms of dismissing managers in the recent past, given Garde’s history with the club, he was allowed to continue, and once again another sell-off occurred. Hugo Lloris was the biggest miss, but Aly Cissokho, Cris and Kallstrom had been key to Lyon’s recent success, and the club continued to struggle the following season, flaming out of Europe and enduring a difficult start to the season. While the team did eventually pip Nice and Saint-Etienne to third, ensuring themselves of a place in the Champions’ League the following season, there remained a sense of malaise about the team.

In many ways, though, Garde’s second season was seen as a bit of a turning point. With so many veteran players having departed, he was forced to rely on his academy products both on and off the pitch. While still unsteady at times, Samuel Umtiti, Alexandre Lacazette, Clement Grenier all truly began to blossom during that campaign, while fellow academy product Maxime Gonalons took on more of a leadership role in the absence of the likes of Toulalan, Cris and Kallstrom.

The team came together for some inspired performances down the stretch, and there was at last some degree of optimism surrounding the club, driven by what was fast becoming an impressive crop of young talent.

That summer, though, saw more veteran talent on the move, as Bastos, Lopez and young centre back Dejan Lovren all made their way to pastures greener. Lyon promptly capitulated in almost embarrassing fashion to unfancied Real Sociedad in the  Champions’ League, but even in righting the ship in Europe thanks to a decent run in the Europa League, the ascent of Monaco proved to difficult to overcome, and Lyon finished off the podium for the second time in three seasons under Garde. Despite the new success of youngsters such as Anthony Lopes, Nabil Fekir and Jordan Ferri, another season out of Europe’s top competition simply wasn’t sustainable for a club of Lyon’s ambitions, and Garde resigned at season’s end.

In the period since, he has worked as a pundit and has been linked with any number of jobs, including Newcastle and Arsenal. While he failed to reach the heights of his successors at Lyon, particularly in the domestic league, the general understanding is that there was simply too much working against him as regards player departure.

He did demonstrate a tremendous record for bringing through youth, as, with the exception of Corentin Tolisso, all of Lyon’s vaunted academy graduates of the recent past were given their first team debut by Garde, who also oversaw the development of Anthony Martial, whose departure in 2013 barely registered at the time.

While all of this is fine and good, how well could Garde do with Aston Villa? While he still maintained a relatively high level of success at Lyon, he was, after all, operating from a position of considerable power. While the arrivals of Dimitry Ryblovlev at Monaco and QSI at Paris Saint-Germain did much to disrupt that, Lyon were, along with Marseille, still undoubtedly one of the biggest clubs in France in terms of financial infrastructure. Too, while Garde did see his best players sold out from under him, it was a somewhat attritional process, and he did benefit from, for example, two full seasons of the underrated Lisandro Lopez.

Garde as Tactician

In examining Garde’s potential for success should he indeed land at Villa, tactics should be of paramount importance. Sherwood had gained the name “Tactics Tim” over the course of his tenures in Birmingham and at Aston Villa, and it was not a flattering one. While less naive in terms of tactics than generally believed, Sherwood did struggle to get the best out of a decently talented squad, his results being generally uneven. Poorly conceived starting formations and equally bizarre starting formations saw the team playing a range of line-ups this season, even experimenting with three at the back.

What one would hope is that Garde’s arrival would bring some sort of tactical stability, but, to be fair, he also was somewhat of change artist. In his first season, he used a fairly consistent 4-2-3-1, with Maxime Gonalons and Kim Kallstrom anchoring the midfield. One of Yoann Gourcuff or Clement Grenier, depending on fitness, provided the creative spark. That was the idea in practice, anyway.

The three players furthest forward often had other ideas, as the trio of, Bafetimbi Gomis, Jimmy Briand and Lisandro Lopez all saw themselves as central strikers, despite the latter two often being used on the wing. Adding Michel Bastos and Alexandre Lacazette to the equation failed to assuage the situation, and Lyon were often left with a fairly static attack, as the injuries of Gourcuff and Bastos hampered any potential for chemistry.

It would seem easy at this point to damn Garde as being tactically naïve, trying to shoehorn strikers and fullbacks into wide roles, simply hoping that their talent would overwhelm the opposition regardless of how they were set up to play. However, the undercurrent of this season was one of uncertainty surrounding Gourcuff, who had been the club’s record acquisition the season before and needed the benefit of a lineup which brought the best out of him.

Garde persisted with this formation because the return of the former Bordeaux man from injury was a hoped-for eventuality, and he hoped to foster continuity even in his absence. The results, as previously mentioned, were predictable, and the club’s finish duly reflected that.

In his second season in charge, Garde persisted with this formation, playing Lacazette on the right and Lopez on the left, Gomis again the target man. Steed Malbranque also supplanted the now-departed Kallstrom in midfield, but the results were similar, as the attack, beset by injuries to its playmakers, (Gourcuff and Grenier both missed large chunks of the season) still generally failed to find any rhythm.

Gourcuff by this point was no longer considered the key to Lyon’s continued success, but Grenier’s emergence in the latter half of the season was key to the club capturing third, so once again the system was put in place to privilege a dynamic playmaker but was beset by injury.

Things finally changed in 2013-14; with the club eliminated early doors from the Champions’ League, Garde was seen as something of the walking wounded, and he seized on the opportunity to enact a shift. With Lisandro departed in the off-season, the team began to play the same diamond 4-4-2 that has brought Hubert Fournier so much praise.

Necessitated by the presence of two out-and-out centre forwards, (Lacazette finally being recognized as such) the scheme saw Grenier tuck in behind the pair, with Gonalons at the base of midfield. Two of Gueida Fofana, Steed Malbranque and Jordan Ferri took up the other midfield positions, and Garde not only had a formation that fit the personnel but also allowed for rotation.

A lengthy European campaign had taxed the squad, but using the Europa League as a sandbox, the likes of Arnold Mvuemba, Briand and Gourcuff when fit allowed the side the chance to rotate fairly well, the scheme allowed youth their chance. Nabil Fekir became a regular toward the back end of the season, as did Ferri, the former admittedly benefiting from an injury to Grenier.

Nevertheless, after two iffy campaigns under a presumed mandate to play the club’s record signing, (or at least keep the kettle warm in his absence) Garde was finally given the freedom to operate freely, and if the placement in the table wasn’t of the level expected, the potential demonstrated by the club’s young players proved to be somewhat of a palliative.

Villa are in a bit of a different situation; while there is a nominal star player in Jack Grealish, the parts around him were this campaign fairly interchangeable. That isn’t meant as an indication of the sameness of the players and their respective talents, just that Sherwood developed an almost obsessive predilection for changing his lineups.

Thus far, aside from Grealish, the players that have stood out are Jordan Amavi, Idrissa Gueye and Micah Richards. Ashley Westwood and Grealish have had their moments as well, which would seem to indicate a 4-2-3-1 similar to what Garde employed at Lyon during his first two seasons.

Would seem, however is the key phrase. Across the back, besides Amavi at left back, questions remain, as Ciaran Clark has struggled for fitness, forcing Richards, a right back of some distinction during his days at Manchester City, inside to partner Joleon Lescott. Alan Hutton is probably the best option at right back, but with a paucity of centre backs available, playing four at the back is a given.

In midfield, a holding pair of Gueye and Westwood also picks itself fairly easily. The former Lille man is quick, powerful and a decent dribbler and shooter, while Westwood is unafraid to do the dirty work in front of the back four.

Carlos Sanchez is a serviceable option as well, but pairing him with Gueye allows things to be a bit too open, both players on occasion being a bit too enamored of their offensive abilities. Westwood and Sanchez work decently, but without Gueye, there isn’t as much going forward, and Villa’s scoring record of eight goals in ten matches makes it clear that any attacking options available to the team need to be on the table.

The attacking quartet is where things get tricky, however. Grealish probably just shades it centrally, even as his inconsistency can frustrate at times. In wide areas, things get slightly more complicated. Jordan Ayew was signed from Lorient on the back of his goal-scoring record, but is better suited as a wide player, especially as he lacks the physical attributes to function as a lone striker in the Premier League.

Scott Sinclair and Carles Gil on the left and right are more natural wide players than Ayew though, and the creativity of the former Valencia man adds an extra dimension to the team’s play. Sinclair has had a rather poor start to his campaign, but offers more than an aging Gaby Agbonlahor. Rudy Gestede unfortunately makes too much sense as a striker, completing the team. So, a more attacking approach, then, as Sherwood has most often used a more defensive 4-3-3, with the hope being that including the team’s two most creative players would create more chances.

Garde as Man-Manager

This set-up does seem to leave little room for the likes of Ayew and Jordan Veretout, but neither have demonstrated that they have what it takes to succeed in England. While both, due more to ignorance of their careers than anything else, were generally regarded as prospects upon their arrivals, the truth isn’t quite so simple. Both, despite their (relative) youth, (Veretout is 22, Ayew recently turned 24) have played well over a hundred first-team matches.

To think that Garde, for all his accolades garnered in developing Lyon’s youngsters can make a difference for the pair is foolhardy. With the players at Lyon, Garde was head of the academy and could follow the players throught their teenage years, watching them grow and cafrefully measuring their development, establishing a good awareness as to their readiness for first team football. After all, for every Fekir and Gonalons, there are also the likes of Enzo Reale and Yannis Tafer drifting about, players who never made it at Lyon.

Garde made his mark on Lyon by shaping players at a formative stage, before they had become professionals, not being a horse whisperer. Too, those who would believe that his being French can coax more out of the likes of Ayew and Veretout are foolish. The same is true for the non-French players as well; Jack Grealish is admittedly still a prospect, but he has been a professional for quite some time, having spent a full season at Notts County two years ago. The same is likewise true of Gil, who was a first-team regular at Elche for two seasons.

If Garde is appointed and does well, his success will be down to tactical consistency, not some magical ability to improve young players who are already fairly far into their professional careers. Conversely, if he is appointed and does poorly, it won’t be down (solely) to his inability to wring the best from these youngsters but rather to a hierarchy whose poorly researched signings seem a misuse of transfer funds thus far.

Whatever the outcome of the next few days, Villa are a club with deeper problems than a particular manager. No matter who is appointed, this season will be a pitched battle against relegation and whether it is Garde or someone else, confirming safety for the club will be a real achievement. 

Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 02, 2015, 10:37:35 AM
I wish him well,unfortunately the decisions that have preceeded his appointment have probably sealed our fate. Where that leaves him and us in the long term I really couldn't guess.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dr Butler on November 02, 2015, 10:39:05 AM
Welcome to B6 Remi.....good luck, as I think you are going to need some :)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 10:39:31 AM


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I'm not sure he should be completely unknown. Plus even if he is to some, we've hired numerous 'known' managers of the last few years who have been complete failures. Maybe it's a good sign that we're looking further afield.


 My point was that Lerner has appointed shit manager after shit manager so it's no surprise that some people might be a little dubious about this appointment. I'd guess that, like many of the players we got in the summer, most people on here had never heard of Garde other than his brief stint with Arsenal.

And for every wonderful "unknown" appointment like Wenger, I can name a dozen Christian Grosses and Alain Perrins.

Anyway, done now, up to the club to win me over.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2015, 10:43:57 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 10:39:31 AM


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I'm not sure he should be completely unknown. Plus even if he is to some, we've hired numerous 'known' managers of the last few years who have been complete failures. Maybe it's a good sign that we're looking further afield.


 My point was that Lerner has appointed shit manager after shit manager so it's no surprise that some people might be a little dubious about this appointment. I'd guess that, like many of the players we got in the summer, most people on here had never heard of Garde other than his brief stint with Arsenal.

And for every wonderful "unknown" appointment like Wenger, I can name a dozen Christian Grosses and Alain Perrins.

Anyway, done now, up to the club to win me over.

but the percentage of foreign managers who failed is probably only the same as the percentage of British managers who've failed.


Quote from: passport1 on November 02, 2015, 10:37:35 AM
I wish him well,unfortunately the decisions that have preceeded his appointment have probably sealed our fate. Where that leaves him and us in the long term I really couldn't guess.


Do you genuinely think we're 100% relegated and there's nothing he can do to resolve it?  That's about the most bleak view of anything ever.  A win today would leave us 1 point from safety and you think there's no chance that we can get out of it with another 27 games to go, really?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 02, 2015, 10:47:11 AM
I doubt he will be either an Arsene Wenger or a Christian Gross but somewhere in between. Whether it turns out to be enough to keep us up this year is anyone's guess but he might be a good bet to get us straight back up if he's already had over half a season here. You would hope to see him get the best from the continental players but we all know that a bit of steel is needed to get out of sticky situations and I don't feel that we have much of that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 02, 2015, 10:48:16 AM
Jeez, I am not sure I feel as hopeful after reading that French article.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 02, 2015, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: aev on November 02, 2015, 10:48:16 AM
Jeez, I am not sure I feel as hopeful after reading that French article.

Yeah, but they also said that a midfield containing Westwood 'picks itself' because Sanchez likes to get forward too much. Bizarre.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: darren woolley on November 02, 2015, 10:53:56 AM
Welcome aboard Remi let's hope the good times start now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
fuck me I thought for a moment I was reading Nostradamus's diary for the day of Armageddon, or some  of the most bleak unpublished verse from John Dunne. Let's start a new era by all growing a pair.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 10:59:34 AM
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2015, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: aev on November 02, 2015, 10:48:16 AM
Jeez, I am not sure I feel as hopeful after reading that French article.

Yeah, but they also said that a midfield containing Westwood 'picks itself' because Sanchez likes to get forward too much. Bizarre.
Not to mention describing Westwood as "someone who's not afraid to do the dirty work"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 02, 2015, 11:00:19 AM
It's sad to think that 25 years after Jo Venglos there are still some - and Villa aren't alone in this - whose first thought is "He's foreign, I haven't heard of him so he must be shit" and hanker for Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheadlevilla on November 02, 2015, 11:01:35 AM
I get a sick feeling in the stomach when I think of the consequences of this not working...... Its a gamble, but in my view a gamble worth taking.
Fingers crossed and hold on as i suspect it will be a wild ride
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Let's start a new era by all growing a pair.

Can we also start a new era by avoiding tired football banter-style clichés?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claretandblue barmy on November 02, 2015, 11:04:17 AM
I would of liked Moyes but what the hell do i know, I also wanted Lambert and that wasn't a massive success

Good luck Monsieur Garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 02, 2015, 11:04:32 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
fuck me I thought for a moment I was reading Nostradamus's diary for the day of Armageddon, or some  of the most bleak unpublished verse from John Dunne.

Relegation be not proud?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 11:06:02 AM
Does anyone know if Robert Duverne is still in the frame to join Garde?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 11:07:47 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 02, 2015, 11:00:19 AM
It's sad to think that 25 years after Jo Venglos there are still some - and Villa aren't alone in this - whose first thought is "He's foreign, I haven't heard of him so he must be shit" and hanker for Tony Pulis.

Not sue if this is aimed at my posts? if it is, the only bit that's correct is the "I haven't heard of him" bit
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Harpo on November 02, 2015, 11:08:51 AM
Happy with this, a potentially exciting appointment and really hope he's the man to bring about an upturn in fortune. Time will tell.

I'd like to think that it's part of a well-planned strategy by the board, and I think it probably is, although there's part of me that thinks recent conversations could have gone gone something like this:

February
Tom Fox: Randy, results are so bad I've had to sack this Scottish fella. Do you want to choose the new manager, or do you want me to do it?
Randy: Sure would
Fox: Sherwood? Blimey. Ok boss.

October
Fox: Sorry Randy, that Sherwood guy's just not cutting it, I've had to let him go. We need to find another manager.
Randy: Oh, Gawwd.
Fox: Garde? Whatever you say boss... [begins Google search]
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 02, 2015, 11:11:09 AM
I think the black outpourings Mr U remind me more of passages from Titus Groan. Pure Mervyn Peake at his miserableist worst.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 02, 2015, 11:11:28 AM
My first thought is he's foreign, we're rooted to the foot of the table, and he's on a very steep learning curve.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 02, 2015, 11:13:52 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Let's start a new era by all growing a pair.

Can we also start a new era by avoiding tired football banter-style clichés?

110% with you on this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on November 02, 2015, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 02, 2015, 11:13:52 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Let's start a new era by all growing a pair.

Can we also start a new era by avoiding tired football banter-style clichés?

110% with you on this.

At the end of the day, you're right
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 02, 2015, 11:16:57 AM
Quote from: Des Little on November 02, 2015, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 02, 2015, 11:13:52 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Let's start a new era by all growing a pair.

Can we also start a new era by avoiding tired football banter-style clichés?

110% with you on this.

At the end of the day, you're right
I'll be over the moon if it happens.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on November 02, 2015, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 10:59:34 AM
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2015, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: aev on November 02, 2015, 10:48:16 AM
Jeez, I am not sure I feel as hopeful after reading that French article.

Yeah, but they also said that a midfield containing Westwood 'picks itself' because Sanchez likes to get forward too much. Bizarre.
Not to mention describing Westwood as "someone who's not afraid to do the dirty work"

Yeah plus the writing off of Veretout and the failure to mention kozak when discussing Gestede as our only viable striker. It's an interesting take on his career to date and his preferred tactics, but doesn't give me any reason to think they are well placed to judge Garde's prospects with respect to our squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: caster troy on November 02, 2015, 11:18:17 AM
I've got a good feeling about this. We have a squad now full of more technical players, so I think we need a more technical manager.

O'Neill, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood... all pretty similar and shared many of the same failings. Limited tactically, predictable and seemingly too 'old school' for the modern game. Looking back, Houllier had tried to set us on a different path and we'll never know how that would have worked out. I'd rather we try that approach again than just add someone like Moyes to the first list.

Good luck Remi, allez les bleus!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on November 02, 2015, 11:20:35 AM
Quote from: caster troy on November 02, 2015, 11:18:17 AM
I've got a good feeling about this. We have a squad now full of more technical players, so I think we need a more technical manager.

O'Neill, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood... all pretty similar and shared many of the same failings. Limited tactically, predictable and seemingly too 'old school' for the modern game. Looking back, Houllier had tried to set us on a different path and we'll never know how that would have worked out. I'd rather we try that approach again than just add someone like Moyes to the first list.

Good luck Remi, allez les bleus!


Up the Blues? 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 11:21:10 AM
Is there a scheduled announcement?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CJ on November 02, 2015, 11:24:57 AM
Quote from: andyh on November 02, 2015, 11:16:57 AM
Quote from: Des Little on November 02, 2015, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 02, 2015, 11:13:52 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Let's start a new era by all growing a pair.

Can we also start a new era by avoiding tired football banter-style clichés?

110% with you on this.

At the end of the day, you're right
I'll be over the moon if it happens.

I'll be literally as sick as a parrot if it doesn't
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 02, 2015, 11:29:16 AM
Quote from: CJ on November 02, 2015, 11:24:57 AM
Quote from: andyh on November 02, 2015, 11:16:57 AM
Quote from: Des Little on November 02, 2015, 11:14:36 AM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 02, 2015, 11:13:52 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Let's start a new era by all growing a pair.

Can we also start a new era by avoiding tired football banter-style clichés?

110% with you on this.

At the end of the day, you're right
I'll be over the moon if it happens.

I'll be literally as sick as a parrot if it doesn't

come on now its early doors , let him set his stall out first
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 11:29:58 AM
we can start by ripping Spurz a new one
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Wiggz on November 02, 2015, 11:31:25 AM
Firstly, I bare Garde no mallice....I really want him to succeed.

Secondly, I'm not sure he "can" given the predicament we find ourselves in. 4 points from 10 games means we need around 35 from the remaining 28 games.....10 wins doesn't even get us that.

Finally, whilst I'm sure Garde isn't a bad appointment, is he what we need now? It's either a brilliant piece of foresight, or it is,l once again, another gamble. I tend to think the latter and that's what irks me more than anything.

I personally hope we remain in the league, for our fans, for the club employees and the scarf vendors etc......but I also hope if we do, Lerner finally managed to sell!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 02, 2015, 11:36:00 AM
As paul_ pointed out further up, we don't need to be looking over the whole season to see what we need to do. Our aim now is to get off the bottom and out of the bottom 3, so 4 more points is our target for now. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2015, 11:39:26 AM
Quote from: Wiggz on November 02, 2015, 11:31:25 AM
Finally, whilst I'm sure Garde isn't a bad appointment, is he what we need now? It's either a brilliant piece of foresight, or it is,l once again, another gamble. I tend to think the latter and that's what irks me more than anything.

Compared to which great, available manager who would represent nailed-on, guaranteed success?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on November 02, 2015, 11:44:00 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 02, 2015, 11:00:19 AM
It's sad to think that 25 years after Jo Venglos there are still some - and Villa aren't alone in this - whose first thought is "He's foreign, I haven't heard of him so he must be shit" and hanker for Tony Pulis.

My worry is that we keep getting it wrong so it is a triumph of hope over experience to expect this to be any different.

I can see the thinking behind it and am genuinely looking forward to seeing how it works out but then I thought the same about Lambert.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Wiggz on November 02, 2015, 11:46:12 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 11:39:26 AM
Quote from: Wiggz on November 02, 2015, 11:31:25 AM
Finally, whilst I'm sure Garde isn't a bad appointment, is he what we need now? It's either a brilliant piece of foresight, or it is,l once again, another gamble. I tend to think the latter and that's what irks me more than anything.

Compared to which great, available manager who would represent nailed-on, guaranteed success?

You're right....I'd have plumped for pulling the trigger earlier and getting Allardyce for some PL know how. Granted his Sunderland stint is not going great, but he has proven PL experience and graft.

I worry Garde will expect a little much of the players we have...Grealish, whilst excellent, is young and inconsistent and as many games as he's looked the outstanding player on the pitch, he's been carried too. We can't afford that and I worry Garde's style, based on my memory of Lyon during his stint, will push for a floating attacking style.....I'm all for it if it works...but I'm worried it won't.

Your point is correct though....there isn't anyone else who represents a nailed on guarantee....I'd quite like to have seen Rodgers at Villa though...although I'm sure as many cons can be argued against this as pros.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wince on November 02, 2015, 11:51:56 AM
This has to be long term and with a mind to the fact we might end up relegated and will need a manager with the nous to get us back up. No more short term effect blitzkrieg managers, we need stability and we need points on the board but if we do go down, we need a manager who will get us drilled and unified to get up again. I for one welcome Garde and pundits and media luvvies who stink up sky sports and MOTD can do one. We have nothing whatsoever to lose as we are heading down the khazi anyway. So lets see what we can do

Viva le Villa!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passitsideways on November 02, 2015, 11:52:15 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on November 02, 2015, 11:44:00 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 02, 2015, 11:00:19 AM
It's sad to think that 25 years after Jo Venglos there are still some - and Villa aren't alone in this - whose first thought is "He's foreign, I haven't heard of him so he must be shit" and hanker for Tony Pulis.

My worry is that we keep getting it wrong so it is a triumph of hope over experience to expect this to be any different.

I can see the thinking behind it and am genuinely looking forward to seeing how it works out but then I thought the same about Lambert.

I guess you have to account for the differences in circumstances though. Okay, we're in deeper shit league position-wise, but the squad is better than it was when Lambert arrived (having bought proper talents rather than relying mostly on the lower league bargain bin), and it seems like we should have enough in reserve from the summer to spend 10+ million in January if we really need it. Lambert didn't do himself any favours of course but he was hung out to dry to some extent with everything he had to do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 02, 2015, 11:58:25 AM
Well I never
Just heard Cascerino on SSN talking sense about Villa and Garde,
Agreed with every word, I never thought I'd ever say that
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 02, 2015, 11:58:30 AM
It's interesting to read about his influence with Loic Remey, would love us to make a move for him in January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 02, 2015, 12:00:02 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 11:39:26 AM
Quote from: Wiggz on November 02, 2015, 11:31:25 AM
Finally, whilst I'm sure Garde isn't a bad appointment, is he what we need now? It's either a brilliant piece of foresight, or it is,l once again, another gamble. I tend to think the latter and that's what irks me more than anything.

Compared to which great, available manager who would represent nailed-on, guaranteed success?

Sam Allardyce.

He knows the league. Look how he's got Sunderland organised.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on November 02, 2015, 12:01:28 PM
Quote from: john e on November 02, 2015, 11:58:25 AM
Well I never
Just heard Cascerino on SSN talking sense about Villa and Garde,
Agreed with every word, I never thought I'd ever say that

I suspect as he played in France the whole world doesn't revolve around the Premier League
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 02, 2015, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2015, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: aev on November 02, 2015, 10:48:16 AM
Jeez, I am not sure I feel as hopeful after reading that French article.

Yeah, but they also said that a midfield containing Westwood 'picks itself' because Sanchez likes to get forward too much. Bizarre.

It also writes off Veretout, who has barely played a game and Ayew, who has started to look decent after having a run of a few games.

I am not disputing the authors knowledge of French football, but I seriously dispute their knowledge of us, our players and the English language, which gets butchered.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
So it appears the new manager does not have a full understanding of the English language.After three years at Arsenal. That is news I did not want to hear.But the Tottenham manager is still learning our language and he did well at Southampton.

Perhaps it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 02, 2015, 12:08:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 02, 2015, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2015, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: aev on November 02, 2015, 10:48:16 AM
Jeez, I am not sure I feel as hopeful after reading that French article.

Yeah, but they also said that a midfield containing Westwood 'picks itself' because Sanchez likes to get forward too much. Bizarre.

It also writes off Veretout, who has barely played a game and Ayew, who has started to look decent after having a run of a few games.

I am not disputing the authors knowledge of French football, but I seriously dispute their knowledge of us, our players and the English language, which gets butchered.


Let's hope his opinion of Westwood isn't the only thing wide of the mark.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Wiggz on November 02, 2015, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 02, 2015, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2015, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: aev on November 02, 2015, 10:48:16 AM
Jeez, I am not sure I feel as hopeful after reading that French article.

Yeah, but they also said that a midfield containing Westwood 'picks itself' because Sanchez likes to get forward too much. Bizarre.

It also writes off Veretout, who has barely played a game and Ayew, who has started to look decent after having a run of a few games.

I am not disputing the authors knowledge of French football, but I seriously dispute their knowledge of us, our players and the English language, which gets butchered.


For me, Veretout has looked the only technical midfield player we have capable of doing the attacking work Delph did...driving through the middle of the park. Gueye does the defensive bit well enough, and starts moves off, Veretout, for me, should be playing alongside him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 02, 2015, 12:13:19 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on November 02, 2015, 12:01:28 PM
Quote from: john e on November 02, 2015, 11:58:25 AM
Well I never
Just heard Cascerino on SSN talking sense about Villa and Garde,
Agreed with every word, I never thought I'd ever say that

I suspect as he played in France the whole world doesn't revolve around the Premier League

True, good point
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 02, 2015, 12:14:13 PM
This clamour for the likes of Alladyce make me laugh

Bolton
Newcastle
Blackburn
West Ham
Sunderland

Nothing of note with any of them

At least with Garde there is an element of not really knowing what we will get. At least it is something different
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 02, 2015, 12:15:06 PM
Quote from: john e on November 02, 2015, 11:58:25 AM
Well I never
Just heard Cascerino on SSN talking sense about Villa and Garde,
Agreed with every word, I never thought I'd ever say that
What did he say john?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 02, 2015, 12:15:15 PM
Didn't Cascarino say yesterday that relegation would be good for Aston Villa?
Sod him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 02, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
So what time is the Press conference?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Comrade Blitz on November 02, 2015, 12:20:30 PM
He's foreign, I haven't heard of him..

thank fuck for that.....Villa finally stop plucking managers from the Sacked Managers' Numpty Go Round
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 02, 2015, 12:20:35 PM
Quote from: olaftab on November 02, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
So what time is the Press conference?

Not today, for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
So it appears the new manager does not have a full understanding of the English language.After three years at Arsenal. That is news I did not want to hear.But the Tottenham manager is still learning our language and he did well at Southampton.

Perhaps it doesn't matter.

correct. Seemingly Pochettino, Ranieri, LVG, Pellegrino, Mourinho, Koeman etc etc, none of whom speak English as their first language have managed just fine in this league.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 02, 2015, 12:22:16 PM
If he can keep us up I'll happily work the shaft and tickle the rim.

I like Veretout from what I've seen.

Also will be good not having a manager guaranteeing that a player plays in a set position regardless as to whether it benefits the team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:24:23 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on November 02, 2015, 12:15:15 PM
Didn't Cascarino say yesterday that relegation would be good for Aston Villa?
Sod him.

Headline: "Cascarino in finally says something decent about Aston Villa shock"

Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Boz on November 02, 2015, 12:25:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
So it appears the new manager does not have a full understanding of the English language.After three years at Arsenal. That is news I did not want to hear.But the Tottenham manager is still learning our language and he did well at Southampton.

Perhaps it doesn't matter.

correct. Seemingly Pochettino, Ranieri, LVG, Pellegrino, Mourinho, Koeman etc etc, none of whom speak English as their first language have managed just fine in this league.

It's been reported he speaks English fluently
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 02, 2015, 12:28:37 PM
Pochettino could speak English when he joined Southampton he just chose not to use it in interviews for some reason.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 02, 2015, 12:31:35 PM
Pat Murphy's take is predictably chirpy - apparently the suspicion is that these fruity French players might actually be all terrible, and that Randy has gambled majorly with this one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 02, 2015, 12:34:56 PM
I quite like Pat Murphy. He normally says what he thinks, often I guess based upon the fact the club don't ever seem to throw him a bone. He obviously isn't particularly positive towards us, but lets face it, the last few years have been grim for us so we cant accuse him of purposeful negativity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Wiggz on November 02, 2015, 12:36:44 PM
Seriously though, is nobody worried about this season....like really worried. I haven't dug into it but 4 points in the bag, quarter of the season gone...I'm almost consigned to relegation.

There have always been 3 worse teams than us. I don't think we can say that this year. All of the "bad" ones, bar us, look like they'll spring a freak shock every now and then....we look beaten when we walk onto the pitch.

I'm normally an optimist actually. I was when Sherwood took over too...I thought, long term appointment, young, British...Wilkins coming in was a master stroke.....shows what I know.

I coul;d be wrong about this appointment, and by Christ I hope I am, but I have a "sinking" feeling.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 02, 2015, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 02, 2015, 12:20:35 PM
Quote from: olaftab on November 02, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
So what time is the Press conference?

Not today, for obvious reasons.
Thanks. I did think that  as I guess we don't want a PC in a hotel near London. Tomorrow would be a good time and place.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on November 02, 2015, 12:40:47 PM
Quote
There have always been 3 worse teams than us. I don't think we can say that this year.

Bournemouth and Norwich are fcuked.
Fat Sam won't save Sunderland. They're dire.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2015, 12:41:32 PM
Quote from: Wiggz on November 02, 2015, 12:36:44 PM
Seriously though, is nobody worried about this season....like really worried. I haven't dug into it but 4 points in the bag, quarter of the season gone...I'm almost consigned to relegation.

There have always been 3 worse teams than us. I don't think we can say that this year. All of the "bad" ones, bar us, look like they'll spring a freak shock every now and then....we look beaten when we walk onto the pitch.

I'm normally an optimist actually. I was when Sherwood took over too...I thought, long term appointment, young, British...Wilkins coming in was a master stroke.....shows what I know.

I coul;d be wrong about this appointment, and by Christ I hope I am, but I have a "sinking" feeling.

There weren't worse teams than us with Sherwood in charge, because we weren't a team with any sort of coherent plan. We have some good players and we can definitely survive with a team that is actually set up correctly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 12:42:57 PM
Quote from: Boz on November 02, 2015, 12:25:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
So it appears the new manager does not have a full understanding of the English language.After three years at Arsenal. That is news I did not want to hear.But the Tottenham manager is still learning our language and he did well at Southampton.

Perhaps it doesn't matter.

correct. Seemingly Pochettino, Ranieri, LVG, Pellegrino, Mourinho, Koeman etc etc, none of whom speak English as their first language have managed just fine in this league.

It's been reported he speaks English fluently
See page 12 Interesting article!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2015, 12:31:35 PM
Pat Murphy's take is predictably chirpy - apparently the suspicion is that these fruity French players might actually be all terrible, and that Randy has gambled majorly with this one.

If I'm going to take anyone's opinion about this appointment then it will be from Wenger and Houlllier over the ever positive about Villa Pat Murphy.

It's crazy to think that almost to a man the English football media would sooner give more time to a man who a few months at Spurs and a few months with us, some good results chucked in amongst a simply horrific run of games, than someone who actually has worked his way up through the ranks albeit a "foreign" club and had a sustained period of success in challenging circumstances.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 02, 2015, 12:46:56 PM
Well Houllier and Wenger seem to think he speaks English, so I don't know what the writers of that article know that those two don't.

And yes TV, there's a lot of reflexive suspicion about Garde just because he's Foreign, whereas they were telling us that the considerably-less-experienced Sherwood should be given more time. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 02, 2015, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2015, 12:31:35 PM
Pat Murphy's take is predictably chirpy - apparently the suspicion is that these fruity French players might actually be all terrible, and that Randy has gambled majorly with this one.

If I'm going to take anyone's opinion about this appointment then it will be from Wenger and Houlllier over the ever positive about Villa Pat Murphy.

It's crazy to think that almost to a man the English football media would sooner give more time to a man who a few months at Spurs and a few months with us, some good results chucked in amongst a simply horrific run of games, than someone who actually has worked his way up through the ranks albeit a "foreign" club and had a sustained period of success in challenging circumstances.

I think that is unfair. Murphy has been rightly critical of us as a club, and often has questioned the managers in a way that other media types haven't.

Like all appointments, this is a gamble. To suggest anything otherwise I think is wide of the mark.

The thing that has generated some hope amongst us fans is that at least this appointment is different.

And as for Wenger, they may well be his thoughts, but it is also possible he is bigging up one of his mates, much as Sherwood's buddies did. I think we need to take all of these endorsements with a pinch of salt to be honest.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2015, 12:31:35 PM
Pat Murphy's take is predictably chirpy - apparently the suspicion is that these fruity French players might actually be all terrible, and that Randy has gambled majorly with this one.

If I'm going to take anyone's opinion about this appointment then it will be from Wenger and Houlllier over the ever positive about Villa Pat Murphy.

It's crazy to think that almost to a man the English football media would sooner give more time to a man who a few months at Spurs and a few months with us, some good results chucked in amongst a simply horrific run of games, than someone who actually has worked his way up through the ranks albeit a "foreign" club and had a sustained period of success in challenging circumstances.

English managers close ranks and defend other English managers in a closed shop, old boys network kind of way. I'm not sure that what Houlier and Wenger are saying about a fellow French manager is really any different. I saw Wenger's interview and he mumbled the standard non-committal type responses that all managers give when asked about other managers. That's probably why Pat Murphy is a journalist and Wenger is a manager
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:50:46 PM
And given successes in the PL over the years of non English managers it's about time we looked at the broader world market. And even if you talk British managers of the past 20 years who apart from Ferguson really stands out?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
So it appears the new manager does not have a full understanding of the English language.After three years at Arsenal. That is news I did not want to hear.But the Tottenham manager is still learning our language and he did well at Southampton.

Perhaps it doesn't matter.

correct. Seemingly Pochettino, Ranieri, LVG, Pellegrino, Mourinho, Koeman etc etc, none of whom speak English as their first language have managed just fine in this league.
For anyone throwing up the language thing, a few points.

1. There's a world of difference between being able to communicate in the work place perfectly competently and feeling comfortable enough to do a live media interview in a second language.

2. Unless you're naturally talented at languages, learning a new language as a 30 or 40 something is a major effort / ball ache.

3. Yes he's played over here for 3 years and would probably have built up a good command of the language, but as with any skill it's use it or lose it. If he's not had to use English to any degree for the best part of a decade then it's going to at best, a bit rusty.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2015, 12:53:21 PM
Quote from: Wiggz on November 02, 2015, 12:36:44 PM
There have always been 3 worse teams than us. I don't think we can say that this year. All of the "bad" ones, bar us, look like they'll spring a freak shock every now and then....we look beaten when we walk onto the pitch.

The majority of which was down to us having a shit manager.

Hopefully it looks like we're now getting a good manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:54:58 PM
Quote from: aev on November 02, 2015, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2015, 12:31:35 PM
Pat Murphy's take is predictably chirpy - apparently the suspicion is that these fruity French players might actually be all terrible, and that Randy has gambled majorly with this one.

If I'm going to take anyone's opinion about this appointment then it will be from Wenger and Houlllier over the ever positive about Villa Pat Murphy.

It's crazy to think that almost to a man the English football media would sooner give more time to a man who a few months at Spurs and a few months with us, some good results chucked in amongst a simply horrific run of games, than someone who actually has worked his way up through the ranks albeit a "foreign" club and had a sustained period of success in challenging circumstances.

I think that is unfair. Murphy has been rightly critical of us as a club, and often has questioned the managers in a way that other media types haven't.

Like all appointments, this is a gamble. To suggest anything otherwise I think is wide of the mark.

The thing that has generated some hope amongst us fans is that at least this appointment is different.

I would have hoped, Pat Murphy, a journalist first and foremost would present a much more balanced approach to this story. What I don't understand is how this is any more of a gamble than any other appointment we could realistically have made, and how very few if any have openly stated Sherwood was terrible and would have relegated us. What seemed blindingly obvious to us has somehow been glossed over. You'd honestly think it never happened and we were sitting safely in the top half.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 02, 2015, 12:56:02 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
So it appears the new manager does not have a full understanding of the English language.After three years at Arsenal. That is news I did not want to hear.But the Tottenham manager is still learning our language and he did well at Southampton.

Perhaps it doesn't matter.

correct. Seemingly Pochettino, Ranieri, LVG, Pellegrino, Mourinho, Koeman etc etc, none of whom speak English as their first language have managed just fine in this league.
For anyone throwing up the language thing, a few points.

1. There's a world of difference between being able to communicate in the work place perfectly competently and feeling comfortable enough to do a live media interview in a second language.

2. Unless you're naturally talented at languages, learning a new language as a 30 or 40 something is a major effort / ball ache.

3. Yes he's played over here for 3 years and would probably have built up a good command of the language, but as with any skill it's use it or lose it. If he's not had to use English to any degree for the best part of a decade then it's going to at best, a bit rusty.

Many of the players were here under Lambert. To them, even if his English is less than perfect, Garde will probably sound like Laurence Olivier.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 02, 2015, 01:01:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:54:58 PM
I would have hoped, Pat Murphy, a journalist first and foremost would present a much more balanced approach to this story. What I don't understand is how this is any more of a gamble than any other appointment we could realistically have made, and how very few if any have openly stated Sherwood was terrible and would have relegated us. What seemed blindingly obvious to us has somehow been glossed over. You'd honestly think it never happened and we were sitting safely in the top half.

Or indeed, any more of a gamble than keeping on Sherwood, who supposedly should have been given more time.

Mind you, that would only have been a gamble in the same way as, say, lumping 10 grand on Danny Dyer to win the Grand National riding Falkor from The Neverending Story.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 02, 2015, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:54:58 PM
Quote from: aev on November 02, 2015, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2015, 12:31:35 PM
Pat Murphy's take is predictably chirpy - apparently the suspicion is that these fruity French players might actually be all terrible, and that Randy has gambled majorly with this one.

If I'm going to take anyone's opinion about this appointment then it will be from Wenger and Houlllier over the ever positive about Villa Pat Murphy.

It's crazy to think that almost to a man the English football media would sooner give more time to a man who a few months at Spurs and a few months with us, some good results chucked in amongst a simply horrific run of games, than someone who actually has worked his way up through the ranks albeit a "foreign" club and had a sustained period of success in challenging circumstances.

I think that is unfair. Murphy has been rightly critical of us as a club, and often has questioned the managers in a way that other media types haven't.

Like all appointments, this is a gamble. To suggest anything otherwise I think is wide of the mark.

The thing that has generated some hope amongst us fans is that at least this appointment is different.

I would have hoped, Pat Murphy, a journalist first and foremost would present a much more balanced approach to this story. What I don't understand is how this is any more of a gamble than any other appointment we could realistically have made, and how very few if any have openly stated Sherwood was terrible and would have relegated us. What seemed blindingly obvious to us has somehow been glossed over. You'd honestly think it never happened and we were sitting safely in the top half.

Well for balance, maybe lots of "experts" are of the opinion that he should have been given more time, and we have only played 10 games. Let's face it, many on here are stating that Garde has enough time to turn things around, so maybe they think Sherwood could have done so too.

The above isn't my opinion, I think he was hopelessly out of his depth and am glad to see the back of him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 01:11:08 PM
Quote from: aev on November 02, 2015, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:54:58 PM
Quote from: aev on November 02, 2015, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2015, 12:31:35 PM
Pat Murphy's take is predictably chirpy - apparently the suspicion is that these fruity French players might actually be all terrible, and that Randy has gambled majorly with this one.

If I'm going to take anyone's opinion about this appointment then it will be from Wenger and Houlllier over the ever positive about Villa Pat Murphy.

It's crazy to think that almost to a man the English football media would sooner give more time to a man who a few months at Spurs and a few months with us, some good results chucked in amongst a simply horrific run of games, than someone who actually has worked his way up through the ranks albeit a "foreign" club and had a sustained period of success in challenging circumstances.

I think that is unfair. Murphy has been rightly critical of us as a club, and often has questioned the managers in a way that other media types haven't.

Like all appointments, this is a gamble. To suggest anything otherwise I think is wide of the mark.

The thing that has generated some hope amongst us fans is that at least this appointment is different.

I would have hoped, Pat Murphy, a journalist first and foremost would present a much more balanced approach to this story. What I don't understand is how this is any more of a gamble than any other appointment we could realistically have made, and how very few if any have openly stated Sherwood was terrible and would have relegated us. What seemed blindingly obvious to us has somehow been glossed over. You'd honestly think it never happened and we were sitting safely in the top half.

Well for balance, maybe lots of "experts" are of the opinion that he should have been given more time, and we have only played 10 games. Let's face it, many on here are stating that Garde has enough time to turn things around, so maybe they think Sherwood could have done so too.

The above isn't my opinion, I think he was hopelessly out of his depth and am glad to see the back og him.

That's just it. It wasn't just the 10 games, because used independently then we did fire him too early. It was the entire body of work including his mannerisms, bizarre statements and in the in the end overall attitude. He was clearly stating he was unable to change the circumstances and openly admitting things were getting worse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: martin o`who?? on November 02, 2015, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on November 01, 2015, 09:32:23 PM
CREME DE MENTHE!!!!
My French is notoriously shite but i interpret this as "Flavour of the month" - and if he keeps us up he`ll be Flavour of the century...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 02, 2015, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 02, 2015, 12:50:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 12:43:07 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 02, 2015, 12:31:35 PM
Pat Murphy's take is predictably chirpy - apparently the suspicion is that these fruity French players might actually be all terrible, and that Randy has gambled majorly with this one.

If I'm going to take anyone's opinion about this appointment then it will be from Wenger and Houlllier over the ever positive about Villa Pat Murphy.

It's crazy to think that almost to a man the English football media would sooner give more time to a man who a few months at Spurs and a few months with us, some good results chucked in amongst a simply horrific run of games, than someone who actually has worked his way up through the ranks albeit a "foreign" club and had a sustained period of success in challenging circumstances.

English managers close ranks and defend other English managers in a closed shop, old boys network kind of way. I'm not sure that what Houlier and Wenger are saying about a fellow French manager is really any different. I saw Wenger's interview and he mumbled the standard non-committal type responses that all managers give when asked about other managers. That's probably why Pat Murphy is a journalist and Wenger is a manager

I agree with Chico on this.

I also think Pat Murphy is generally fair and accurate in his comments about us. He is good at digging at managers too, witness his interview with a tetchy Mourinho last season (well before anybody else was doubting him).

The bottom line is that Garde is a gamble, but we weren't exactly spoiled for choice. I think all of the foreign managers cited by Toronto Villan above started their jobs in the summer so had a chance to bed in. I am pretty sure none of them took over a team in 20th position.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on November 02, 2015, 01:16:27 PM
Welcome Remi.

Please be good.

If you can't be good, be competent.

If you can't be competent, be lucky.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: YamYamVilla on November 02, 2015, 01:18:31 PM
totally underwhelmed by this appointment, but he will get my full support, lets hope he can turn us around!

Remi Garde's Claret & Bleu army!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 02, 2015, 01:21:50 PM
Quote from: martin o`who?? on November 02, 2015, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on November 01, 2015, 09:32:23 PM
CREME DE MENTHE!!!!
My French is notoriously shite but i interpret this as "Flavour of the month" - and if he keeps us up he`ll be Flavour of the century...
Yes your French is terrible! However you can interpret it however you like!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on November 02, 2015, 01:29:13 PM
To be fair to Murphy he sited the woeful end to last season as well as the shit this season.
I don't think he was any fan of Sherwood.

And he also suggested our (fans) misgivings over McLeish was the style of play, not where he had last been employed.

I honestly think the 6-1 v Southampton was the trigger for Sherwood, not to mention fucking around with Given and Guzan as some joint number 1 which did neither any favours and no have the worst of all worlds.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on November 02, 2015, 01:34:25 PM
On the Express and Star Facebook page EVERY comment (apart from mine) on this story is from an Albion supporter.

But they are not obsessed with us, no siree,   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: HK Villan on November 02, 2015, 01:39:45 PM
I'm convinced our squad is more than good enough to move up the table. 

Garde comes with some pretty heavyweight endorsements on the tactical side which is just what we need, rather than a loud mouth media darling who made truly bizarre selections and substitutions.

Also, Garde just looks like he knows what he's doing!

Good luck!!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 01:40:25 PM
Tim looked like a cross between Frankenstein and Mr Hyde by the time he left. Let's hope Remi has  more resilience - a good night cream and a crafty hipflask of Absinthe will help.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on November 02, 2015, 01:42:13 PM
Tim started to sound and act more and more like Alan Partridge as someone on here stated after the Stoke game.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on November 02, 2015, 01:42:45 PM
At least with this appointment you can see the board have a plan. The players are brought in and the manager manages them. Sherwood didn't really buy in to the system, and when he knew he couldn't bring in his own players, Adebayor, Lennon and Townsend, and results started to go away from us (Leicester onwards), he started using that as an excuse.
Remi Garde knows what he is coming into, and we have a squad of players who are technically as gifted as any we have had in a long time. If we had brought in Allardyce, Pulis, Rodgers or Moyes, they would have wanted to do exactly the same as Sherwood and bring in their own players.
I am looking forward to seeing how this works out, of course it's a massive gamble, but at least we have made the change now, and not waited another 2 months.
Good luck Remi Garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: richard moore on November 02, 2015, 01:43:20 PM
Quote from: martin o`who?? on November 02, 2015, 01:13:21 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on November 01, 2015, 09:32:23 PM
CREME DE MENTHE!!!!
My French is notoriously shite but i interpret this as "Flavour of the month" - and if he keeps us up he`ll be Flavour of the century...

Your judgement of your French is spot on! :-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 02, 2015, 01:55:24 PM
According to Houllier Garde likes to build his sides from the back which must be music to Guzan's ears. Or maybe not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 02:00:07 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on November 02, 2015, 01:55:24 PM
According to Houllier Garde likes to build his sides from the back which must be music to Guzan's ears. Or maybe not.
Behind the 6 yard line from goal kicks type play from the back?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: nodge on November 02, 2015, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: Richard E on November 02, 2015, 01:34:25 PM
On the Express and Star Facebook page EVERY comment (apart from mine) on this story is from an Albion supporter.

But they are not obsessed with us, no siree,   

In the words of the great Dave Skylark "They hate us cause they ain't us"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KRS on November 02, 2015, 02:11:27 PM
Welcome to Villa Monsieur Garde.

I know very little about the guy, but from what I've read I'm reasonably impressed and on paper he appears to be a good fit given our current situation and squad.

I'm sick of hearing the media and pundits coming out with the same old "should have given Sherwood more time" lines when the truth is that he was completely out of his depth, clueless and our situation would have been irreversible by the end of the year if he'd have stayed any longer. What is it with these ppl that they can't see that a change was not only needed but essential for us to have any chance of turning this shit fest around.

I'm concerned by the need for winning 10 games out of 28...yes, it is only 4 points in the short term and we're not cut off yet, but history tells us that we're going to need around 37pts to avoid relegation unless this season sets a new precedent in terms of how crap the worst teams actually are in terms of points...but ultimately it is about making sure we finish higher than 3 other teams regardless of points but we do need to start getting results on the board and raise the confidence of both players and fans.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 02, 2015, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 02:00:07 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on November 02, 2015, 01:55:24 PM
According to Houllier Garde likes to build his sides from the back which must be music to Guzan's ears. Or maybe not.
Behind the 6 yard line from goal kicks type play from the back?

Er, yes?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: placeforparks on November 02, 2015, 02:26:02 PM
if almstadt's 'experiment' is going to work, then garde is the man who will make the best fist of it.

i think it's between us, norwich, bournemouth, sunderland and newcastle for the drop, and it'll come down to those games.

already rueing those dropped points v sunderland.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 02, 2015, 02:30:16 PM
Are we announcing this today or are we waiting until tomorrow because of the game?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: QuintonVilla on November 02, 2015, 02:31:56 PM
He made Lyon, who were a very good team, into an average one. So I dread to think what he's going to do with our shower. He somehow managed to finish 4th and 5th with them, his best season with them was only 3rd. They'd won the title seven times on the trot before he took over. Doesn't make good reading I must say and he definitely wouldn't have been my choice, but he's here now so we just need to back him and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on November 02, 2015, 02:39:13 PM
Quote from: QuintonVilla on November 02, 2015, 02:31:56 PM
He made Lyon, who were a very good team, into an average one.
I stopped reading after this, total bollocks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 02, 2015, 02:41:36 PM
Quote from: QuintonVilla on November 02, 2015, 02:31:56 PM
He made Lyon, who were a very good team, into an average one. So I dread to think what he's going to do with our shower. He somehow managed to finish 4th and 5th with them, his best season with them was only 3rd. They'd won the title seven times on the trot before he took over. Doesn't make good reading I must say and he definitely wouldn't have been my choice, but he's here now so we just need to back him and hope for the best.

Yes, but there's a lot of context you're ignoring. The rise of PSG and their Qatari billions, the revival of AS Monaco under Rybolevlev and Vasilyev, and the fact that Aulas at Lyon essentially "did a Lerner" and decided enough was enough, putting an end to their previously lavish spending.

All of which means it's quite understandable that he should have missed out on winning the Ligue 1 title. In fact, he did quite well to keep them in with a shout of regular Champions League football.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on November 02, 2015, 02:47:50 PM
I hope we bring a good fitness coach in. If we are going to fight our way out this mess we need fitness and it seems lacking at the moment, there is a lack of energy in the side.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 02, 2015, 02:48:04 PM
Our players are not a "shower".  They are almost entirely players of ability who have been pissed about from pillar to post by a manager who had completely lost the plot. Remi Garde kept Lyon in the top flight against a background of major financial crisis at the club. He deserves better than some of the groundless accusations starting to soak into this thread.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on November 02, 2015, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 02, 2015, 02:48:04 PM
Our players are not a "shower".  They are almost entirely players of ability who have been pissed about from pillar to post by a manager who had completely lost the plot. Remi Garde kept Lyon in the top flight against a background of major financial crisis at the club. He deserves better than some of the groundless accusations starting to soak into this thread.

Well said. Some of our fans have been brainwashed by the British Media mafia, listening to Alan Brazil and Stan Collymore for example.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu on November 02, 2015, 02:52:00 PM
Blimey, this hasn't been confirmed yet!?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete on November 02, 2015, 02:52:52 PM
Quote from: QuintonVilla on November 02, 2015, 02:31:56 PM
He made Lyon, who were a very good team, into an average one. So I dread to think what he's going to do with our shower. He somehow managed to finish 4th and 5th with them, his best season with them was only 3rd. They'd won the title seven times on the trot before he took over. Doesn't make good reading I must say and he definitely wouldn't have been my choice, but he's here now so we just need to back him and hope for the best.

They won the league seven times on the trot THREE YEARS before he took over. Preceding Garde, the finishes were third, second, third. He had his best players sold from under him (sound familiar?), and still managed finishes of fourth, third, fifth. No as good as previous seasons, no, but hardly disastrous. If we get anywhere near that within the next five years, I'd be delighted.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on November 02, 2015, 02:56:36 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2015, 11:11:27 PM
The interesting thing about this appointment isn't that nobody knows who is. It's that nobody saw this coming. He is a really highly regarded young manager with good experience and excellent pedigree considering who he has learnt from, and we are about to appoint him as our manager. It flies in the face of the cliquey English football media and pundits and for that reason alone I love this even more. Remi Garde is going to be such a breath of fresh air around Villa Park. Well done to the board. It's nice to say that.

Not picking at your boundless optimism (how could any of us have a go for another Villa fan being optimistic? These last 5 years are a lot more bearable when not constantly misreable) but I'm pretty sure you said something almost identical when we bought all those French-based players in the summer. I just hope we're now set-up for it all to work.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: in exile on November 02, 2015, 02:56:54 PM
I just want this over with...appoint the guy and lets move on together
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 03:08:49 PM
well said, no prosaic bollocks in there exile like what I did earlier. direct and to the point.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on November 02, 2015, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 02:00:07 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on November 02, 2015, 01:55:24 PM
According to Houllier Garde likes to build his sides from the back which must be music to Guzan's ears. Or maybe not.
Behind the 6 yard line from goal kicks type play from the back?

Er, yes?

Sorry, a feeble and pathetic jibe at that tactical colossus Paul Lambert and his idea of playing out from the back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on November 02, 2015, 03:17:17 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on November 02, 2015, 02:13:28 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 02:00:07 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on November 02, 2015, 01:55:24 PM
According to Houllier Garde likes to build his sides from the back which must be music to Guzan's ears. Or maybe not.
Behind the 6 yard line from goal kicks type play from the back?

Er, yes?

Sorry, a feeble and pathetic jibe at that tactical colossus Paul Lambert and his idea of playing out from the back.

The only back Lambert tried to play out of was his backside.

Anyway, good luck, Remi. You might need it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: A Northern Soul on November 02, 2015, 03:26:54 PM
Do you think he is stuck in Paris waiting for our fog to clear so he can jump on a flight?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 02, 2015, 03:30:10 PM
I first read that rather stereotypically as "is our frog waiting to jump on a flight?"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on November 02, 2015, 03:31:23 PM
Good luck to him. Are we in too bad a position throughout the club to build a new philosophy? If it nearly saw us fall under with Houllier here, having inherited a top 6 side, then Garde coming into the bottom (thoroughly fucking deservedly) side in the Prem will have his work cut out.
I hope he does well. It would seem on paper he has the potential to put into a place some semblance of a footballing style. Houllier had a plan (not that we saw many good times under him), so I hope that Lyon connection bodes well.

I feel like we may have to go down to really get the rebuild going, although ultimately we need a new owner first and foremost. After fumbling about blindly with our appointments, I hope this one has been a bit more well considered. I could see why we went for Houllier. And I could see things happening under him, even among some dreadful results and performances, but I really cannot fathom why we went for McLeish or Sherwood. Lambert was a popular choice but he turned out to be a clueless chancer, whose footballing ideals seem to completely change from what he did at Norwich.

I've already resigned myself to relegation so staying up will be a bonus. If we can see something beginning to click, then it's all the better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on November 02, 2015, 03:33:25 PM
There are some important unknowns with our squad. Are they better than they have looked so far? Have they been hampered by Sherwood's chopping and changing? Do we have a collection of individuals or a team? Although we probably have our own opinions none of us actually know the answer to these questions.

Garde has surely looked at the squad and has some ideas of what he will be inheriting. He is reported of having turned down approaches from this country previously which suggests that he is not willing to take any old job and has some confidence in what can be done here.

So, as fans, we are back to the same old position of hoping that this time it will be different as apart from MON no manager this century has come anywhere near meeting expectations.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 03:48:46 PM
Quote from: supertom on November 02, 2015, 03:31:23 PM
Good luck to him. Are we in too bad a position throughout the club to build a new philosophy? If it nearly saw us fall under with Houllier here, having inherited a top 6 side, then Garde coming into the bottom (thoroughly fucking deservedly) side in the Prem will have his work cut out.
I hope he does well. It would seem on paper he has the potential to put into a place some semblance of a footballing style. Houllier had a plan (not that we saw many good times under him), so I hope that Lyon connection bodes well.

I feel like we may have to go down to really get the rebuild going, although ultimately we need a new owner first and foremost. After fumbling about blindly with our appointments, I hope this one has been a bit more well considered. I could see why we went for Houllier. And I could see things happening under him, even among some dreadful results and performances, but I really cannot fathom why we went for McLeish or Sherwood. Lambert was a popular choice but he turned out to be a clueless chancer, whose footballing ideals seem to completely change from what he did at Norwich.

I've already resigned myself to relegation so staying up will be a bonus. If we can see something beginning to click, then it's all the better.

You could turn that round though and say that Houllier was trying to dismantle a philosophy that was designed for one purpose, MONball and implement his own more forward thinking vision with a group of players where there was a significant rump that weren't interested in listening.

We're now in a position where imposing a new style and philosophy shouldn't be a problem as there's nothing to remove or "unteach." On the contrary, we've got a squad of largely youngish players, mostly inexperienced in this league crying out for someone to give them some guidance that makes sense.

In some respects, that aspect of Garde's job could be easier.  On the down side, he's got far less room for mistakes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2015, 04:07:34 PM
The Fiver's take

Quote
By the time you read your favourite gut-bustingly amusing, searingly topical, savagely satirical email (we’re talking about The Fiver, smarty pants), then Remi Garde may well have been confirmed as Aston Villa’s new manager. That’s assuming the club don’t have a late change of heart, or Garde doesn’t take a look at Villa’s squad list, frown in bafflement at some of the names on it, ask ‘what’s a Gabby Agbonlahor?’ before the frown turns to horror, he screams and gets out of there as quickly and directly as possible, leaving a Remi Garde-shaped hole in the wall. Garde should be at Villa’s game against Tottenham on Monday night to inspect his new charges, but given how they’ve been playing recently it wouldn’t be a massive surprise should a club suit remark midway through the second half that ‘Remi’s been in the toilet a long time … I hope he’s OK’, before going to check on him and only finding an open window, gently swaying in the soupy north London air.

For Garde has quite a task on his hands, taking in such dire straits that they’re even below Premier League scrappers, chancers and no-hopers Newcastle, Sunderland and Chelsea. Villa are stone bottom, having not won a game since the opening day, flailing under the guidance of Tim Sherwood who seemed to construct his team line-ups like David Bowie used to write lyrics, writing words down, cutting them up then arranging them in a random order. That’s how we got such works of outlandish creativity as ‘You’re squawking like a pink monkey bird/And I’m busting up my brains for the words’, and José Ángel Crespo playing as a centre-half.

Hapless? Certainly. Hopeless? Perhaps not. Garde brings with him a fine reputation, having done very well under significant restrictions at Lyon, while at the same time helping to nurture young talents like Alexandre Lacazette and Nabil Fekir; since Villa have spent their relatively meagre budget on a collection of raw whipper snappers, one would think his prior experience will stand him in good stead.

“We almost have to play top-four standard of football points-wise to get us out of the trouble we’re in,” worried caretaker boss Kevin MacDonald, outlining the scale of Garde’s task. “If everything turns around, which hopefully it will, and we finish mid-table then I would like to think people would be eating their words. This is what players have to understand. They have to have that desire to ram words down people’s throats. I don’t mean that horribly. But that’s football – professional sport. Their pride is hurting – make no mistake about that. I imagine Jordan Ayew’s brother [Swansea’s André] is giving him a bit of stick. Whether people call it banter or not, people don’t like it. I know I don’t like it.” Amen, brother.

Garde is also good pals with Arsène Wenger, having played under the old boy for Arsenal and operated alongside him when doing telly punditry work for Canal+. The Fiver isn’t intimately familiar with the standard of analysis on French TV, but as long as Garde didn’t just gently intone ‘Il sera déçu par ce que’* over footage of Edinson Cavani missing an open goal, then they’re in safe hands. Or, at least, safer hands than the last bloke. Or the one before him. Or the one before him. So Godspeed, Remi. May you go well in your new adventure and hopefully you won’t realise you’ve made a huge mistake before you really even start. And if you find a tear-stained gilet in your office, don’t worry – Tim will be back for that in a few days.

*As fellow linguists** will know, this means: “He’ll be disappointed with that.”

**People who can use Google Translate
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on November 02, 2015, 04:12:17 PM
VID

We're now in a position where imposing a new style and philosophy shouldn't be a problem as there's nothing to remove or "unteach."

Yes perversely he starts in a position of some strength. 9 wins and 9 draws please.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 04:19:07 PM
If hes good mates with Wenger , maybe Wenger could do him a favour and loan us one of their players.

Sanchez please ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on November 02, 2015, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on November 02, 2015, 04:12:17 PM
VID

We're now in a position where imposing a new style and philosophy shouldn't be a problem as there's nothing to remove or "unteach."

Yes perversely he starts in a position of some strength. 9 wins and 9 draws please.

Or 12 wins and no draws which strangely seem less daunting.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on November 02, 2015, 04:30:47 PM
It's a rational common sense appointment given the players we bought in the summer, and in view of the clubs stated direction (in terms of transfer policy etc.) It would have made even more sense to have brought him in before the season started though.

If we'd only have parted ways with Sherwood in the summer ('thanks for keeping us up guv, but we've decided to go in a different direction, no hard feelings, eh?'), I think both Villa and Tim would be in a much better position now. Ours could hardly be worse, and would probably be a lot better if Remi Garde had a preseason etc. While Tim could have basked in the glow of keeping us up and getting to a Cup Final, and might already have been snapped up by some poor suckers.

Now though, Sherwood's reputation is in tatters (least it should be) and we're battling against relegation once again (only this time it's really serious). I still think an Allardyce or a Moyes would give us a better shot at staying up, but they'd want to bring their own players in, and we'd be back on the merry go round of constant upheaval yet again, watching a poorer quality of football probably. This does at least bring some hope of a brighter future, eventually.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: exigo on November 02, 2015, 04:40:23 PM
Should be straightforward enough for Brigada to welcome him.

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Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on November 02, 2015, 04:48:31 PM
Breaking on Sky that it's official
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on November 02, 2015, 04:48:32 PM
Done
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on November 02, 2015, 04:48:58 PM
Darn beat me
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 04:49:55 PM
I think we have some good players here and we have not really been hammered by any one this season . some stupid mistakes and tactic Tim's ridiculous substitutions etc have cost us points.

I look at Sunderland , new manager and still shit.  Newcastle , played alright the other day but still did not win , not a good sign . Bournemouth are going to really struggle losing their goalscorer and  including Norwich and even Watford when their bubble bursts , we are only four points adrift from 17th , considering having one win is really surprising we are still in with a shout .

Its going to be really hard but this is still very possible .  Of course no points in the next two games is going to really put the pressure on and they are both good football teams but football always brings up  surprises,  any points will be a massive bonus . 

I know nothing about Mr. Garde , he kinda reminds me of the looks of Gary Speed . I know nothing else about him but we can do this , with the right players , formations , tactics and subs  .  Lets hope he keeps us in this league . 17th or over this season  he will be alright with me.

 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on November 02, 2015, 04:50:21 PM
From the OS

"Aston Villa Football Club is delighted to announce the appointment of Rémi Garde as our new manager.

The 49-year-old Frenchman is widely regarded as one of Europe's most exciting coaches and has agreed a contract that will run until the end of season 2018/19.

Rémi enjoyed a successful three-year period as manager of Ligue 1 side Lyon where he led the club to the Couple de France and Trophee des Champions as well as the quarter-finals of the Europa League, successfully implementing his own brand of highly entertaining football in the process.

He is also renowned for developing young talent and the Club is thrilled to have secured his services.

Tom Fox, Aston Villa Chief Executive, said: "For the past year we have been working purposefully to transform the Club in order to build a successful organisation that can compete and succeed in the Premier League.

"Finding a manager who shares and believes in our vision and has the ability to bring it to life through performances on the pitch is essential. We are confident that Rémi is the manager who can deliver the best from the current squad and help set the club up for future success".

Rémi Garde said: "It is an unbelievable honour to be the manager of such an illustrious football club.

"I've had extremely positive meetings with both the owner, Randy Lerner, and Chief Executive Tom Fox. They have ambitious plans for the Club and I'm excited that they have turned to me to help them realise them.

"Obviously we have a difficult task in front of us but I'm looking forward to the challenge with the support of everyone who loves Aston Villa."

Chairman Randy Lerner added: "Rémi came with ideas, honesty, humour and a steely sense of what it will take for Aston Villa to be what it is meant to be - hard working, tireless, creative and unwilling to concede.

"Nobody at Villa can deny that we are way behind. We recruited aggressively this past summer and it is our responsibility to now harvest this talent rather than buckle under pressure and criticism - we are better than that. On behalf of the Board we wish Rémi every success."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on November 02, 2015, 04:53:52 PM
Very thinly veiled attack on Sherwood by Randy..'We are better than that' good.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 04:54:41 PM
superb news. Welcome Remi. Thread title updated
Title: Re: Remi Garde - (almost) welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 04:55:00 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: el león Benidorm on November 02, 2015, 04:58:04 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 04:55:00 PM
Nice.

No it was definitely Lyon
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2015, 04:58:04 PM
Excellent welcome Remi, do us proud and you'll be a legend.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 04:58:20 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on November 02, 2015, 04:53:52 PM
Very thinly veiled attack on Sherwood by Randy..'We are better than that' good.

Well said Randy. Nothing thinly veiled about it.

Quote
We recruited aggressively this past summer and it is our responsibility to now harvest this talent rather than buckle under pressure and criticism - we are better than that
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Smirker on November 02, 2015, 04:58:54 PM
I'm optimistic, I think this guy is a proper football manager who actually knows what he's doing and has ideas of his own.

I have no evidence for that, but that's my gut feeling.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 05:00:10 PM
So Randy has ambitious plans for the club does he? That's why he is trying to sell it!!!!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:00:42 PM
'regarded as one of Europe's most exciting coaches', at least he's not the most exciting English manager/ coach.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 05:01:11 PM
It's not on wikipedia yet . So I dont believe it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 02, 2015, 05:01:14 PM
Welcome Remi, and good luck. I am sick to death of thick-as-pigshit managers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2015, 05:04:44 PM
Joining the 21st Century, only a decade and a half late.

He might be great, he might be average, he might be bad - but at least he's an actual football manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 02, 2015, 05:06:00 PM
The season starts now as far as I'm concerned. Let's show the world what we're about.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 02, 2015, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on November 02, 2015, 03:33:25 PM
There are some important unknowns with our squad. Are they better than they have looked so far? Have they been hampered by Sherwood's chopping and changing? Do we have a collection of individuals or a team? Although we probably have our own opinions none of us actually know the answer to these questions.

Garde has surely looked at the squad and has some ideas of what he will be inheriting. He is reported of having turned down approaches from this country previously which suggests that he is not willing to take any old job and has some confidence in what can be done here.

So, as fans, we are back to the same old position of hoping that this time it will be different as apart from MON no manager this century has come anywhere near meeting expectations.

I could have written that myself Chris. Thanks for saving me the time!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:08:20 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 05:04:44 PM
Joining the 21st Century, only a decade and a half late.

He might be great, he might be average, he might be bad - but at least he's an actual football manager.

who played for and learnt from arguably the most technically intelligent managers in the world. I'll give him a pass if in 20 years and numerous trophies later he is equally as stubborn and visually challenged.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Cleybrooke on November 02, 2015, 05:08:33 PM
Is it just me or does he look a little like Tim Canterbury (Gareth from The Office)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on November 02, 2015, 05:10:12 PM
Quote from: Cleybrooke on November 02, 2015, 05:08:33 PM
Is it just me or does he look a little like Tim Canterbury (Gareth from The Office)
It's just you
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 02, 2015, 05:10:37 PM
Quote from: Cleybrooke on November 02, 2015, 05:08:33 PM
Is it just me or does he look a little like Tim Canterbury (Gareth from The Office)

abit like Gary Speed to me
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2015, 05:10:45 PM
Quote from: Cleybrooke on November 02, 2015, 05:08:33 PM
Is it just me or does he look a little like Tim Canterbury (Gareth from The Office)

That's impressively confused!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 02, 2015, 05:11:52 PM
I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 02, 2015, 05:12:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 05:04:44 PM
Joining the 21st Century, only a decade and a half late.

He might be great, he might be average, he might be bad - but at least he's an actual football manager.

I've done enough moaning. If we continue to be terrible then I am just going to suck it up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:16:52 PM
#Remy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on November 02, 2015, 05:17:27 PM
Welcome Remi - doubts aside, you undoubtedly have the hearts of the entire Villa nation behind you and we wish you well. A Villa legend is well overdue!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:18:35 PM
(http://avfc.footballappfeeds.performgroup.com/javaImages/94/5/0,,10265~14091668,00.jpg)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:19:16 PM
Quote
FootballFanCast

NEW ASTON VILLA BOSS CAN SAVE THEM FROM THE RELEGATION SWORDFIGHT

Date: 2nd November 2015 at 5:01 pm
Written by Chris McMullan

It’s been a strange week if you’re a Villa fan. A manager sacked over a week ago, and only now has a replacement actually been named.

Yet the name of the man who will replace Tim Sherwood in the Villa dugout has been known the whole time. The problem, apparently, was the refusal of Monsieur Remi Garde’s former employers, Lyon, to release two of their current coaching staff, freeing them to join Villa and team up with Remi Garde again.

Fair enough, really. Who wants to lose their coaches in the middle of the season?

Now the question must be whether or not Remi Garde is actually the right man for the job. And given the situation Villa are in, maybe that’s not a silly question. After all, no wins since the opening day and some very poor performances, not to mention questionable tactical decisions.

Not everyone thinks Garde is the right man, though. Stan Collymore doesn’t. He thinks David Moyes should be brought in instead. Fair enough too. He’s entitled to an opinion.

But very few people seem to be saying that Garde is the wrong man for Villa, or at least, very few seem to be saying that with an argument any more sophisticated than ‘he’s never managed under the scrutiny and pressure of the Premier League before.’

Well, no. He hasn’t. But it’s an odd argument.

Had Villa brought him into the club in June I don’t think the same argument would have been made.

After all, the club weren’t in the midst of a relegation battle back then, there was no need for fear and pessimism. So I’m not really sure why it’s needed now.

Remember that there are only ten games of the season gone. Tonight will be the Villains’ 11th game of the season. That means they still have 27 games left to save themselves. They have a lot of time left to sort it out, and a new manager with the right ideas should be able to do it.

Villa are four points from safety right now. Do Villa fans really think that their team isn’t good enough to finish the season four points above Bournemouth or five points above Norwich, for example? Because, frankly, if they aren’t good enough to do that then I’m not sure even Pep Guardiola can help.

Villa are much better than that. And in Remi Garde they’ll be getting a man who has worked under perhaps even more serious pressure than he’ll face at Villa. During his time at Lyon he had to sell his best players to make ends meet as the club were in dire financial straits following the 2008 financial meltdown.

Surely that’s a lot tougher than having 27 games to save a club that really and seriously shouldn’t be getting relegated anyway. He’ll have 27 games to make sure that a team that made it to the FA Cup final last season can gain four more points than at least three other teams in the league. Of course the situation facing Villa is serious, but it’s not critical just yet.

Others think Garde will be a good appointment, and like former Villa manager Paul Lambert, they think Garde will be a good appointment because he can get a grip on the French players already at the club, and help them to bed in.

It’s another easy argument to make, really, and it sounds a bit strange. Why can’t any other manager handle french players? Wasn’t Eric Cantona a great player when he played under Sir Alex Ferguson?

Yes, Garde will help the French guys bed in, yes he’ll help with the language, and yes he’ll be familiar with a core group of players from his time in Ligue 1. They’re all players who excelled in that league and who Garde should know quite well.

But the bigger question is, will he keep them up? And I think that he has enough quality in the team, that he has enough intelligence as a manager to make the tactical decisions that so hopelessly escaped Tim Sherwood (like bringing off Carles Gil when 2-0 up at Leicester even though he was the only player in the entire XI who seemed capable of holding onto the ball).

Villa can look forward to a more cohesive dressing room, and I think that means more cohesive play on the pitch. But what is more important is that they can look forward to smart tactical attacking football. And that’s what will get them far.

Under Garde, Villa can flourish. They don’t have a bad team, and if they can go out and play to their potential, they’re much better than a team who will only finish four points off Bournemouth. Relegation shouldn’t be an issue if they play well, and Remi Garde is a man who can make Villa play well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
Why can't they spell his name right?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:21:46 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
Why can't they spell his name right?

that's really horrible
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on November 02, 2015, 05:24:25 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
Why can't they spell his name right?
It's correct on the OS (now)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on November 02, 2015, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:18:35 PM
(http://avfc.footballappfeeds.performgroup.com/javaImages/94/5/0,,10265~14091668,00.jpg)

#welcomewhateveryournameis
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:26:30 PM
Quote from: berneboy on November 02, 2015, 05:24:25 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
Why can't they spell his name right?
It's correct on the OS (now)

yes they took it off and they have it spelt correct at the side of the news story
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2015, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:21:46 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
Why can't they spell his name right?

that's really horrible

That's simply ridiculous.

"Alright marketing team - ready for the big announcement? Get all the fans involved on social media to welcome the new manager? Everything been checked?"

*sigh*
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Smirker on November 02, 2015, 05:29:16 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on November 02, 2015, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:18:35 PM
(http://avfc.footballappfeeds.performgroup.com/javaImages/94/5/0,,10265~14091668,00.jpg)

#welcomewhateveryournameis

 ;D
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 02, 2015, 05:30:17 PM
Welcome on board, be good to see how the players react to actually being coached, look forward to see players playing in their most suited positions. It's stating the bleeding obvious, but this group of players need to some performances and a couple of quick results ( even just drawing ) to boost their shot to bit confidence. UTV.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on November 02, 2015, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:21:46 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
Why can't they spell his name right?

that's really horrible

That's simply ridiculous.

"Alright marketing team - ready for the big announcement? Get all the fans involved on social media to welcome the new manager? Everything been checked?"

*sigh*

"You had one job!"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:21:46 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
Why can't they spell his name right?

that's really horrible

That's simply ridiculous.

"Alright marketing team - ready for the big announcement? Get all the fans involved on social media to welcome the new manager? Everything been checked?"

*sigh*


and now has been picked up in the media - Independent running a story. It's such a stupid, stupid distraction. Did they not have enough time with this?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 02, 2015, 05:42:28 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:21:46 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
Why can't they spell his name right?

that's really horrible

That's simply ridiculous.

"Alright marketing team - ready for the big announcement? Get all the fans involved on social media to welcome the new manager? Everything been checked?"

*sigh*


and now has been picked up in the media - Independent running a story. It's such a stupid, stupid distraction. Did they not have enough time with this?

Minor social media fail. Not even a storm in a teacup.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: badminton on November 02, 2015, 05:42:58 PM
ooh aah Remi Garde say ooh aah Remi Garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 02, 2015, 05:45:12 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 02, 2015, 05:42:28 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:21:46 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
Why can't they spell his name right?

that's really horrible

That's simply ridiculous.

"Alright marketing team - ready for the big announcement? Get all the fans involved on social media to welcome the new manager? Everything been checked?"

*sigh*


and now has been picked up in the media - Independent running a story. It's such a stupid, stupid distraction. Did they not have enough time with this?

Minor social media fail. Not even a storm in a teacup.

It was unneccessary, though, and you can bet it'll be picked up all over the place.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Cleybrooke on November 02, 2015, 05:47:23 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 05:10:45 PM
Quote from: Cleybrooke on November 02, 2015, 05:08:33 PM
Is it just me or does he look a little like Tim Canterbury (Gareth from The Office)

That's impressively confused!

Martin Freeman... Doh.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 02, 2015, 05:47:46 PM
Bienvenue à Brum, Rémi. On va les niquer tous !
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Smirker on November 02, 2015, 05:47:57 PM
Garde save our football team
Long live our noble team
Garde save our team


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 02, 2015, 05:48:51 PM
Yes, it was unnecessary. Maybe it's not just my place of work which pays peanuts to the people who manage its social media.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on November 02, 2015, 05:49:30 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 02, 2015, 05:45:12 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 02, 2015, 05:42:28 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:21:46 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
Why can't they spell his name right?

that's really horrible

That's simply ridiculous.

"Alright marketing team - ready for the big announcement? Get all the fans involved on social media to welcome the new manager? Everything been checked?"

*sigh*


and now has been picked up in the media - Independent running a story. It's such a stupid, stupid distraction. Did they not have enough time with this?

Minor social media fail. Not even a storm in a teacup.

It was unneccessary, though, and you can bet it'll be picked up all over the place.
i
Daily Mail have wasted no time
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:50:29 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 02, 2015, 05:42:28 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 05:21:46 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 02, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
Why can't they spell his name right?

that's really horrible

That's simply ridiculous.

"Alright marketing team - ready for the big announcement? Get all the fans involved on social media to welcome the new manager? Everything been checked?"

*sigh*


and now has been picked up in the media - Independent running a story. It's such a stupid, stupid distraction. Did they not have enough time with this?

Minor social media fail. Not even a storm in a teacup.

like I said it is a stupid distraction and completely avoidable. In the grand scheme of everything else we have going on it's not a big deal but it's massively amateurish that on the ONE day they need to get that message right, it is wrong. I don't know if Villa have an in house social media team or if it is outsourced, but either way they had plenty of time to create and proof the message. And it will be picked up by lots of places. The last thing we need as a club is to give others another chance to have a laugh at our expense. As if sitting bottom of the table wasn't enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 02, 2015, 05:52:40 PM
Maybe I'm missing something and it's a big deal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: QuintonVilla on November 02, 2015, 05:52:48 PM
Good luck mate, you'll need it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TopDeck113 on November 02, 2015, 05:53:03 PM
That's what comes from having too many cognacs at lunchtime.  The brand name gets imprinted on your mind.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curlytailavfc on November 02, 2015, 05:58:05 PM
Welcome to the machine
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villan For Life on November 02, 2015, 06:07:13 PM
Welcome to the Villa, Remi. Please make us proud.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on November 02, 2015, 06:10:34 PM
When your organisation is fast gaining a reputation for incompetence, it's a good idea not to help confirm it. Damon's right, on its own a social media misspelling is insignificant, but when almost everything you do is shambolic it gets picked up by the circling vultures.

Still, nobody will worry about it after we've put five past Spurs tonight. Any game that finishes 6-5 will grab all the headlines.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CJ on November 02, 2015, 06:10:50 PM
Love that Fiver take a few pages back - especially the bit about how Sherwood used to pick his teams - '... seemed to construct his team line-ups like David Bowie used to write lyrics, writing words down, cutting them up then arranging them in a random order.' Pity his buddies in the media didn't (and largely still don't) recognise his failings, otherwise he may have come under more scrutiny and we'd have got rid earlier. Tall order for Garde to get us out of the mess but I've got more hope than I had a couple of weeks ago
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2015, 06:11:12 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 02, 2015, 05:52:40 PM
Maybe I'm missing something and it's a big deal.

It's not a big deal at all.

It's just that it's one of those things that (however insignificant it is), is easier to get right than to get wrong so it's a bit annoying that they didn't just do it right.

The fact that Steve McClaren happened to be holding an umbrella while watching England lose didn't really matter either, but it's pretty easy to turn irrelevancies into part of the story.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 06:12:58 PM
  oopps
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 06:13:49 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 06:12:58 PM
good to hear a french football expert telling durham what a twat he is basically on talk sport.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 02, 2015, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 06:12:58 PM
  oopps

Really ?  Which expert ?  Durham is a tool so probably deserved it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TopDeck113 on November 02, 2015, 06:18:08 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 06:11:12 PM
The fact that Steve McClaren happened to be holding an umbrella while watching England lose didn't really matter either, but it's pretty easy to turn irrelevancies into part of the story.

And add to that the fact that now no self-respecting manager will take sensible precautions in a damp climate like England's for fear of ridicule. Annoys the hell out of me when I see yet another Armani suit ruined for want of a brolly or a Pac-a-mac.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 02, 2015, 06:18:52 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 02, 2015, 05:52:40 PM
Maybe I'm missing something and it's a big deal.

It's not a big deal to us but you know better than any of us how the smug media twats will seize on it. "Hur Hur thick Brummies can't spell their new manager's name can't get anything right no wonder they're going down"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 02, 2015, 06:19:28 PM
Interesting quote from Mr Lerner on the OS about the appointment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 02, 2015, 06:19:38 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 06:11:12 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 02, 2015, 05:52:40 PM
Maybe I'm missing something and it's a big deal.

It's not a big deal at all.

It's just that it's one of those things that (however insignificant it is), is easier to get right than to get wrong so it's a bit annoying that they didn't just do it right.

The fact that Steve McClaren happened to be holding an umbrella while watching England lose didn't really matter either, but it's pretty easy to turn irrelevancies into part of the story.

I suppose. Our website is put together by a couple of inexperienced, overworked kids and is absolutely riddled with stupid mistakes. After a while you stop finding it amusing and start to ignore it altogether.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: luke95 on November 02, 2015, 06:19:59 PM
Strange time to confirm his appointment too, a couple of hours before kick off.
If we lose tonight it will instantly go against him in some eyes.
Should've waited till after the game .
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: manic-road on November 02, 2015, 06:20:54 PM
Quote from: frank black on November 02, 2015, 07:58:38 AM
Got Vicki Michelle in my head saying (which is no bad thing)

"Ooh Remi"
He could always bring in Maradona with the big boobies as coach.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TopDeck113 on November 02, 2015, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: Mister E on November 02, 2015, 06:19:28 PM
Interesting quote from Mr Lerner on the OS about the appointment.

What does Mr Learnre say?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on November 02, 2015, 06:23:10 PM
Quote from: luke95 on November 02, 2015, 06:19:59 PM
Strange time to confirm his appointment too, a couple of hours before kick off.
If we lose tonight it will instantly go against him in some eyes.
Should've waited till after the game .
Why will it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: luke95 on November 02, 2015, 06:26:52 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on November 02, 2015, 06:23:10 PM
Quote from: luke95 on November 02, 2015, 06:19:59 PM
Strange time to confirm his appointment too, a couple of hours before kick off.
If we lose tonight it will instantly go against him in some eyes.
Should've waited till after the game .
Why will it?
Becouse some can't wait to knock him & Villa .
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: footyskillz on November 02, 2015, 06:27:19 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on November 02, 2015, 06:23:10 PM
Quote from: luke95 on November 02, 2015, 06:19:59 PM
Strange time to confirm his appointment too, a couple of hours before kick off.
If we lose tonight it will instantly go against him in some eyes.
Should've waited till after the game .
Why will it?

And also on the contrary a win or positive result will be a delight and timing of his appointment seen as good. Has to work either way on that theory.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on November 02, 2015, 06:27:55 PM
I liked this part of Remi Garde's statement:

"Obviously we have a difficult task in front of us but I'm looking forward to the challenge with the support of everyone who loves Aston Villa."

Something is telling me that this bloke may just understand what this club means to us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on November 02, 2015, 06:28:09 PM
It's  a stupid comment to make, but I will, he actually looks like a proper manager. The video of him taking training and on the touchline - he just holds himself like somebody who the players will listen to.

Let's hope he gets some positive early results.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john2710 on November 02, 2015, 06:28:35 PM
Fuck the media

Remi - Welcome to Aston Villa

We have a mountain to climb & it starts tonight.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 02, 2015, 06:29:11 PM
Quote from: TopDeck113 on November 02, 2015, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: Mister E on November 02, 2015, 06:19:28 PM
Interesting quote from Mr Lerner on the OS about the appointment.

What does Mr Learnre say?

''Nobody at Villa can deny that we are way behind. We recruited aggressively this past summer and it is our responsibility to now harvest this talent rather than buckle under pressure and criticism - we are better than that. On behalf of the Board we wish Rémi every success''
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on November 02, 2015, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 06:12:58 PM
  oopps

Really ?  Which expert ?  Durham is a tool so probably deserved it.

he was saying we were mad having Garde but this expert was just batting for Garde . Saying he is very good manager.

Durham was saying but why go to a selling club which the french man replied he never got any money at Lyon and Villa spending £50 million in the summer is actually a lot of money for someone like Garde.

I would also say isn't every club a selling club but Chavski and Man City.

Some idiot Saggers just said Sherwood had the rug taken from him.  Stupid comment really.
 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 02, 2015, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on November 02, 2015, 06:28:09 PM
It's  a stupid comment to make, but I will, he actually looks like a proper manager. The video of him taking training and on the touchline - he just holds himself like somebody who the players will listen to.

Let's hope he gets some positive early results.

I'm sure he doesn't talk in the third person as well, even when he's talking in French !!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 02, 2015, 06:32:39 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on November 02, 2015, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 06:12:58 PM
  oopps

Really ?  Which expert ?  Durham is a tool so probably deserved it.


Some idiot Saggers just said Sherwood had the rug taken from him.  Stupid comment really.
 

If Sherwood had a rug he'd only use it as curtains anyway  and then tear them down at midday and put a duvet cover up in it's place.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TopDeck113 on November 02, 2015, 06:35:56 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on November 02, 2015, 06:32:39 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 06:29:19 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on November 02, 2015, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 06:12:58 PM
  oopps

Really ?  Which expert ?  Durham is a tool so probably deserved it.


Some idiot Saggers just said Sherwood had the rug taken from him.  Stupid comment really.
 

If Sherwood had a rug he'd only use it as curtains anyway  and then tear them down at midday and put a duvet cover up in it's place.

Don't be daft.  Sherwood would use the duvet for that purpose in the middle of the night, when it is blindingly obvious to everyone else that it would be better deployed elsewhere.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 02, 2015, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: luke95 on November 02, 2015, 06:19:59 PM
Strange time to confirm his appointment too, a couple of hours before kick off.
If we lose tonight it will instantly go against him in some eyes.
Should've waited till after the game .

#GardeOut
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 02, 2015, 06:38:34 PM
The Sherwood love in just embarrasses the 'tabloid' type media and pundits, shows them up as complete arses.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 02, 2015, 06:39:59 PM
I don't get the name thing.
King Edward VIII's real name was David
King George VI's real name was Bertie
King George VII's real name is Charlie
King Rem I's real name is William.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on November 02, 2015, 06:40:44 PM
Quote from: luke95 on November 02, 2015, 06:19:59 PM
Strange time to confirm his appointment too, a couple of hours before kick off.
If we lose tonight it will instantly go against him in some eyes.
Should've waited till after the game .


I would suggest the timing is perfect and should motivate the players. A loss will have no effect on Garde whatsoever
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 02, 2015, 06:42:50 PM
Quote from: Mister E on November 02, 2015, 06:19:28 PM
Interesting quote from Mr Lerner on the OS about the appointment.
Thought the same.
The strongest words I've seen attributed to him...clearly not impressed by Timmy then?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 06:43:22 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on November 02, 2015, 06:38:34 PM
The Sherwood love in just embarrasses the 'tabloid' type media and pundits, shows them up as complete arses.

exactly
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 06:43:38 PM
there is a woman on here now .shes awesome
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 02, 2015, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 02, 2015, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: luke95 on November 02, 2015, 06:19:59 PM
Strange time to confirm his appointment too, a couple of hours before kick off.
If we lose tonight it will instantly go against him in some eyes.
Should've waited till after the game .

#GardeOut

#GetPulis
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nelson Lodge on November 02, 2015, 06:49:11 PM
Any definite news yet who is coming in as support staff to Remi, or is it still speculation?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on November 02, 2015, 06:51:01 PM
Fingers crossed...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: class-of-82 on November 02, 2015, 06:52:40 PM
Children of the (French) revolution part 2

Monge tue remi
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nelson Lodge on November 02, 2015, 06:52:54 PM
Picture of him on the OS now, stretching a shirt ! Christ on a bike the midfield must be worse than I thought!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 06:52:56 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 02, 2015, 06:43:38 PM
there is a woman on here now .shes awesome

she was. Her name was Julie, I wish she could have just slowed down a bit because the message she was conveying was spot on. That too many had decided to ignore Sherwood's failings in games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Somniloquism on November 02, 2015, 06:56:05 PM
Anyone seen the 'poll' on the BBC live match thread? Hmm, they like to take the piss out of the Midlands don't they.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 02, 2015, 06:57:00 PM
I meant to rant this in here.


There are too many two bit fucking nobodies in the media who are delighted at our situation and who are positively yearning for villa to go down.

I'm sick of every fucker and his dog queuing up to comment on our club.

I will love it, fucking love it, when Remi steers us to safety and all those fuckers line up to tell everyone how they always knew he would be a success.

Fuckers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on November 02, 2015, 06:59:13 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on November 02, 2015, 06:56:05 PM
Anyone seen the 'poll' on the BBC live match thread? Hmm, they like to take the piss out of the Midlands don't they.

Didn't the BBC and the rest of the media make similar 'Christian who?' comments after we signed Benteke?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 07:09:01 PM
Thank fuck it is Kevin MacDonald's last team selection. What a pigs ear he's made of both of them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:14:58 PM
Look this appointment is a gamble, who knows how it will turn out.

But as all the clubs other appointments I will support the manager and his team, whilst pitch side I will be positive,

welcome Remi , this season just keep us up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:18:57 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:14:58 PM
Look this appointment is a gamble, who knows how it will turn out.

So... a bit like every managerial appointment ever then?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:20:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:18:57 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:14:58 PM
Look this appointment is a gamble, who knows how it will turn out.

So... a bit like every managerial appointment ever then?

and this one is caste iron certain Dave is it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:20:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:18:57 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:14:58 PM
Look this appointment is a gamble, who knows how it will turn out.

So... a bit like every managerial appointment ever then?

and this one is caste iron certain Dave is it?

Eh?

No. Of course not. Like I said four minutes ago.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:24:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:20:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:18:57 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:14:58 PM
Look this appointment is a gamble, who knows how it will turn out.

So... a bit like every managerial appointment ever then?

and this one is caste iron certain Dave is it?

Eh?

No. Of course not. Like I said four minutes ago.

ur so clever , how about actually saying something as supposed to ur snide comments
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 02, 2015, 07:26:13 PM
Quote from: andyh on November 02, 2015, 06:57:00 PM
I meant to rant this in here.


There are too many two bit fucking nobodies in the media who are delighted at our situation and who are positively yearning for villa to go down.

I'm sick of every fucker and his dog queuing up to comment on our club.

I will love it, fucking love it, when Remi steers us to safety and all those fuckers line up to tell everyone how they always knew he would be a success.

Fuckers.

Too fucking right.

Stick this up your fat arse Brazil.

Fuck the fuckers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:27:49 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:24:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:20:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:18:57 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:14:58 PM
Look this appointment is a gamble, who knows how it will turn out.

So... a bit like every managerial appointment ever then?

and this one is caste iron certain Dave is it?

Eh?

No. Of course not. Like I said four minutes ago.

ur so clever , how about actually saying something as supposed to ur snide comments

How about you wind your neck in, or maybe think about whether you might be better off taking a couple of hours off from posting?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:27:49 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:24:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:20:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:18:57 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:14:58 PM
Look this appointment is a gamble, who knows how it will turn out.

So... a bit like every managerial appointment ever then?

and this one is caste iron certain Dave is it?

Eh?

No. Of course not. Like I said four minutes ago.

ur so clever , how about actually saying something as supposed to ur snide comments

How about you wind your neck in, or maybe think about whether you might be better off taking a couple of hours off from posting?


meaning?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:33:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:27:49 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:24:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:20:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:18:57 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:14:58 PM
Look this appointment is a gamble, who knows how it will turn out.

So... a bit like every managerial appointment ever then?

and this one is caste iron certain Dave is it?

Eh?

No. Of course not. Like I said four minutes ago.

ur so clever , how about actually saying something as supposed to ur snide comments

How about you wind your neck in, or maybe think about whether you might be better off taking a couple of hours off from posting?


meaning?


Precisely what it says. That if you're spoiling for a fight with somebody even before we've been beaten by Spurs, you'll probably end up saying something that you end up regretting.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:33:04 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:27:49 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:24:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:20:36 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 02, 2015, 07:18:57 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on November 02, 2015, 07:14:58 PM
Look this appointment is a gamble, who knows how it will turn out.

So... a bit like every managerial appointment ever then?

and this one is caste iron certain Dave is it?

Eh?

No. Of course not. Like I said four minutes ago.

ur so clever , how about actually saying something as supposed to ur snide comments

How about you wind your neck in, or maybe think about whether you might be better off taking a couple of hours off from posting?


meaning?


Precisely what it says. That if you're spoiling for a fight with somebody even before we've been beaten by Spurs, you'll probably end up saying something that you end up regretting.

my original post was purely my opinion, and concerns, you are the aggressor with your comments, and threats , very key board warrior.

as a forum shouldn't I be allowed to have an opinion?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 02, 2015, 07:46:17 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2015, 07:09:01 PM
Thank fuck it is Kevin MacDonald's last team selection. What a pigs ear he's made of both of them.

Yeah. He has not really inspired.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 02, 2015, 07:48:05 PM
Well done Amy Lawrence on 5 live, a journalist actually talking some sense.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2015, 07:48:16 PM
Well thanks to KMac Remi already has a problem. When he inevitably changes the starting line up for the Citeh game, because of the shambles of a team KMac has put out for this game, it's going to create a rift.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bobdylan on November 02, 2015, 07:49:44 PM
Do we know which coaches have joined him yet?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 08:10:57 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on November 02, 2015, 07:49:44 PM
Do we know which coaches have joined him yet?

Nope.....Reggie Ray is his assistant.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 02, 2015, 08:20:23 PM
is Duverne coming back?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on November 02, 2015, 08:20:51 PM
Quote
"Est que l'hélicoptère encore ici?
Je vais revenir à la France ..."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on November 02, 2015, 08:25:04 PM
He's definitely signed hasn't he?

I'm just imagining he's watching this, thinking "what the fuck have I done" before sneaking out and getting back on the Eurostar sharpish!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 02, 2015, 08:26:50 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on November 02, 2015, 07:48:05 PM
Well done Amy Lawrence on 5 live, a journalist actually talking some sense.

What did she say?  She's an Arsenal encyclopedia so I guess some insight into Garde or what Wenger's thoughts are?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on November 02, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 08:10:57 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on November 02, 2015, 07:49:44 PM
Do we know which coaches have joined him yet?

Nope.....Reggie Ray is his assistant.

Ronnie is coming to sort the defence out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Grande Pablo on November 02, 2015, 08:51:16 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on November 02, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 08:10:57 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on November 02, 2015, 07:49:44 PM
Do we know which coaches have joined him yet?

Nope.....Reggie Ray is his assistant.

Ronnie is coming to sort the defence out.

Petrocelli couldn't sort out our defence.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on November 02, 2015, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on November 02, 2015, 08:51:16 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on November 02, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 08:10:57 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on November 02, 2015, 07:49:44 PM
Do we know which coaches have joined him yet?

Nope.....Reggie Ray is his assistant.

Ronnie is coming to sort the defence out.

Petrocelli couldn't sort out our defence.

I wonder who else remembers that?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2015, 09:53:20 PM
Well Remi you can already see that Ayew needs to start.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 02, 2015, 10:07:14 PM
No take backs Remi. You signed on the dotted line. Sorry you are now lumbered with that shower of shite until January. Good luck mate.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 02, 2015, 10:10:16 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2015, 07:48:16 PM
Well thanks to KMac Remi already has a problem. When he inevitably changes the starting line up for the Citeh game, because of the shambles of a team KMac has put out for this game, it's going to create a rift.

Manager just has to decide who he thinks is best team.only one or two showed me that they deserve to be picked for the next game
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on November 02, 2015, 10:11:10 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on November 02, 2015, 10:07:14 PM
No take backs Remi. You signed on the dotted line. Sorry you are now lumbered with that shower of shite until January. Good luck mate.

Well we will know in the next few weeks if the players are shit or if the previous managers have been shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 02, 2015, 10:15:01 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on November 02, 2015, 10:11:10 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on November 02, 2015, 10:07:14 PM
No take backs Remi. You signed on the dotted line. Sorry you are now lumbered with that shower of shite until January. Good luck mate.

Well we will know in the next few weeks if the players are shit or if the previous managers have been shit.

Or both.....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 02, 2015, 10:17:49 PM
~I think he will have been relieved second half that there is something to work with. I would sooner have our squad than Sunderland, Bournemouth or Newcastle at the moment. Apart from the keeper. Ours is like starting 1 down.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on November 02, 2015, 10:42:06 PM
His press conference, on balance, is more interesting following tonight's clusterfuck. I don't expect curses or histrionics but it may go beyond the usual 'I believe we can get out of this' platitudes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villadelph on November 02, 2015, 10:43:42 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on November 02, 2015, 10:42:06 PM
His press conference, on balance, is more interesting following tonight's clusterfuck. I don't expect curses or histrionics but it may go beyond the usual 'I believe we can get out of this' platitudes.

I hope he doesn't say we're a massive club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on November 02, 2015, 10:48:03 PM
Cheers Rémi, you've got everyone writing amusing comments in dodgy French.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 02, 2015, 10:52:40 PM
Quote from: Bad English on November 02, 2015, 10:48:03 PM
Cheers Rémi, you've got everyone writing amusing comments in dodgy French.

Il est un vieux jeu drôle.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on November 02, 2015, 10:58:32 PM
Nique leurs mères !
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 02, 2015, 11:01:36 PM
With KMac leaving all the new signings out, he's done his best to create a divide in the dressing room (if there wasn't one already). Garde's first job is probably going to be to unite the dressing room. Then as Neville and Carragher showed, he's got to organise the defence.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on November 02, 2015, 11:03:09 PM
C'est la fin des haricots
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on November 02, 2015, 11:04:06 PM
Je mange le television et je suis L' Escosse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on November 02, 2015, 11:04:38 PM
Quote from: OCD on November 02, 2015, 11:01:36 PM
With KMac leaving all the new signings out, he's done his best to create a divide in the dressing room (if there wasn't one already). Garde's first job is probably going to be to unite the dressing room. Then as Neville and Carragher showed, he's got to organise the defence.

This is comedically basic, but why doesn't someone just stretch their arms out and establish a flat line?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 02, 2015, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on November 02, 2015, 07:49:44 PM
Do we know which coaches have joined him yet?
Not Kmac please!
FFS!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve kirk on November 02, 2015, 11:11:45 PM
What a task our new manager faces, I am praying he can somehow keep us up, all players are even now, Kozak Senderos and even Nzogbia may get a chance ( well maybe not Nzogbia) I doubt we will see Gabby start a game again unless we have an injury crisis, Bonne chance Remi
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 02, 2015, 11:17:39 PM
We'll be fucked if we give Senderos a chance as he isn't part of our 25 man squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 02, 2015, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: OCD on November 02, 2015, 11:01:36 PM
With KMac leaving all the new signings out, he's done his best to create a divide in the dressing room (if there wasn't one already). Garde's first job is probably going to be to unite the dressing room. Then as Neville and Carragher showed, he's got to organise the defence.
He's got to organise the whole team into not giving away goals at crucial times, which we've all done at many levels....and this is something that has bothered me massively about us for years - we're so naïve in most key areas of the pitch.
I lost count of the number of times tonight (listening on the wireless) when we had a corner, throw in or free kick and then Motson or the other bloke just said "and it's Walker/Dembele/Eriksson coming away with the ball".
WTF happened between us having it and them getting it?
But I see it every game and it does my head in.
Stoke made an art form of throw ins...I wish for the fu*king love of Christ that we did!!!
Every set piece we have seems to be a signal for the opposition to just collect the ball and start an attack!
Remi will change this.
In Remi we trust!


Up Le Villa!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve kirk on November 02, 2015, 11:26:43 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 02, 2015, 11:17:39 PM
We'll be fucked if we give Senderos a chance as he isn't part of our 25 man squad.

Thank you for putting me straight on that, I'll get me coat.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 02, 2015, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2015, 09:53:20 PM
Well Remi you can already see that Ayew needs to start.

He at least showed some energy but needs to learn to pass
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on November 02, 2015, 11:31:22 PM
We are possibly the worst side in history when it comes to throw-ins. I get nervous when we have them next to the opponents' corner flag.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 11:33:30 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 02, 2015, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: OCD on November 02, 2015, 11:01:36 PM
With KMac leaving all the new signings out, he's done his best to create a divide in the dressing room (if there wasn't one already). Garde's first job is probably going to be to unite the dressing room. Then as Neville and Carragher showed, he's got to organise the defence.
He's got to organise the whole team into not giving away goals at crucial times, which we've all done at many levels....and this is something that has bothered me massively about us for years - we're so naïve in most key areas of the pitch.
I lost count of the number of times tonight (listening on the wireless) when we had a corner, throw in or free kick and then Motson or the other bloke just said "and it's Walker/Dembele/Eriksson coming away with the ball".
WTF happened between us having it and them getting it?
But I see it every game and it does my head in.
Stoke made an art form of throw ins...I wish for the fu*king love of Christ that we did!!!
Every set piece we have seems to be a signal for the opposition to just collect the ball and start an attack!
Remi will change this.
In Remi we trust!


Up Le Villa!
A particularly brutal art form. Sort of like using an arc welder to light a cigarette. Undoubtedly effective, but unnecessarily violent and not too pleasant to watch if you're remotely squeamish.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 02, 2015, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on November 02, 2015, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on November 02, 2015, 08:51:16 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on November 02, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 08:10:57 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on November 02, 2015, 07:49:44 PM
Do we know which coaches have joined him yet?

Nope.....Reggie Ray is his assistant.

Ronnie is coming to sort the defence out.

Petrocelli couldn't sort out our defence.

I wonder who else remembers that?

Me. He couldn't finish his house so no chance of rebuilding our defence.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 02, 2015, 11:42:44 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 11:33:30 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 02, 2015, 11:19:57 PM
Quote from: OCD on November 02, 2015, 11:01:36 PM
With KMac leaving all the new signings out, he's done his best to create a divide in the dressing room (if there wasn't one already). Garde's first job is probably going to be to unite the dressing room. Then as Neville and Carragher showed, he's got to organise the defence.
He's got to organise the whole team into not giving away goals at crucial times, which we've all done at many levels....and this is something that has bothered me massively about us for years - we're so naïve in most key areas of the pitch.
I lost count of the number of times tonight (listening on the wireless) when we had a corner, throw in or free kick and then Motson or the other bloke just said "and it's Walker/Dembele/Eriksson coming away with the ball".
WTF happened between us having it and them getting it?
But I see it every game and it does my head in.
Stoke made an art form of throw ins...I wish for the fu*king love of Christ that we did!!!
Every set piece we have seems to be a signal for the opposition to just collect the ball and start an attack!
Remi will change this.
In Remi we trust!


Up Le Villa!
A particularly brutal art form. Sort of like using an arc welder to light a cigarette. Undoubtedly effective, but unnecessarily violent and not too pleasant to watch if you're remotely squeamish.
You need to make the most of what you've got.
Stoke - and many other teams, including The Villa, did.
And so do so many other teams with set-pieces etc.
Over the last few seasons we don't seem to pose a threat from anything!

I couldn't care less, as long as it led to us scoring a goal every now and again when we had the ball in promising situations!
We all cheer when we win a corner but 95% of them are just a pass to the opposition.

What's the French for "arc-welder"?
;-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 02, 2015, 11:43:30 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on November 02, 2015, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on November 02, 2015, 08:56:03 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on November 02, 2015, 08:51:16 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on November 02, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 02, 2015, 08:10:57 PM
Quote from: bobdylan on November 02, 2015, 07:49:44 PM
Do we know which coaches have joined him yet?

Nope.....Reggie Ray is his assistant.

Ronnie is coming to sort the defence out.

Petrocelli couldn't sort out our defence.

I wonder who else remembers that?

Me. He couldn't finish his house so no chance of rebuilding our defence.

I can remember it, but having just checked when it was first shown, I must have caught reruns a few years later.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 02, 2015, 11:52:13 PM
Quote from: Bad English on November 02, 2015, 10:58:32 PM
Nique leurs mères !

En short, devant Monoprix....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT Villan on November 03, 2015, 01:20:01 AM
Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, or perhaps naive...but I think if Garde is anything close to decent we will survive - it's only 4 points to safety. Not like we're adrift, 10 points away from 17th with 3 games to go (yet).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 01:26:18 AM
Quote from: CT Villan on November 03, 2015, 01:20:01 AM
Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, or perhaps naive...but I think if Garde is anything close to decent we will survive - it's only 4 points to safety. Not like we're adrift, 10 points away from 17th with 3 games to go (yet).

Correct. You'd think by some of the statements we were miles off everyone else. It's not like Norwich, Bournemouth, Sunderland, Newcastle to name 4 are all going to win out. They will all drop points too, and none of those sides are playing that well. It's not going to be easy and winning just one game would be a start, but there is nothing impossible about the task. We just have to get that win soon, or at least a point so we can create a foundation to build from.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 03, 2015, 05:15:01 AM
if this geezer keeps us afloat this season he's in for manager of the century. Go Remi!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 03, 2015, 06:43:00 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on November 02, 2015, 11:31:22 PM
We are possibly the worst side in history when it comes to throw-ins. I get nervous when we have them next to the opponents' corner flag.

Our players generally don't ever look for space.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 03, 2015, 06:44:13 AM
Maybe the #Remy thing was a clue to his first signing in January.
Apparently Remi coached Remy in France so they do know each other.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on November 03, 2015, 06:50:43 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 01:26:18 AM
Quote from: CT Villan on November 03, 2015, 01:20:01 AM
Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, or perhaps naive...but I think if Garde is anything close to decent we will survive - it's only 4 points to safety. Not like we're adrift, 10 points away from 17th with 3 games to go (yet).

Correct. You'd think by some of the statements we were miles off everyone else. It's not like Norwich, Bournemouth, Sunderland, Newcastle to name 4 are all going to win out. They will all drop points too, and none of those sides are playing that well. It's not going to be easy and winning just one game would be a start, but there is nothing impossible about the task. We just have to get that win soon, or at least a point so we can create a foundation to build from.

He is going to need to quickly identify the problems and find a way to address them otherwise the gap will start to stretch. We have fundamental problems in that we regularly concede soft goals, create too few chances ourselves and appear to have few obvious goal scorers in the squad. Of course it not impossible but there is very little leeway.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 03, 2015, 07:30:53 AM
We are shit.

Rémi, please make us not shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 03, 2015, 07:34:45 AM
Hope he's brought some sort of huge turd polishing equipment with him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 03, 2015, 07:35:27 AM
I feel sorry for the new manager. He is on a hiding to nothing and may live to regret his decision to take on this club. Why should he? Well he probably doesn't know a lot about the playing staff
but last night will have helped.Tom Fox has not succeeded in getting him the back up staff he needed and he will have very little say on incoming transfers.Kevin Macdonald will no doubt be dispensed with pretty sharpish but in any case appears to have his own agenda which means Garde will spend around a month finding  out what he has got.We haven't got a month he needs to hit the ground running and be absolutely ruthless without the required information.

As we know he has some talented players to work with.I won't name them because you all know who they are.He also has some truly dreadful professionals who are mainly in the team.

Remi Garde has a mountain of work to get through.I hope he is up to this task.

As I said I feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 03, 2015, 07:38:58 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on November 03, 2015, 06:50:43 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 01:26:18 AM
Quote from: CT Villan on November 03, 2015, 01:20:01 AM
Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, or perhaps naive...but I think if Garde is anything close to decent we will survive - it's only 4 points to safety. Not like we're adrift, 10 points away from 17th with 3 games to go (yet).

Correct. You'd think by some of the statements we were miles off everyone else. It's not like Norwich, Bournemouth, Sunderland, Newcastle to name 4 are all going to win out. They will all drop points too, and none of those sides are playing that well. It's not going to be easy and winning just one game would be a start, but there is nothing impossible about the task. We just have to get that win soon, or at least a point so we can create a foundation to build from.

He is going to need to quickly identify the problems and find a way to address them otherwise the gap will start to stretch. We have fundamental problems in that we regularly concede soft goals, create too few chances ourselves and appear to have few obvious goal scorers in the squad. Of course it not impossible but there is very little leeway.
agreed, Chris; our current prognosis is really poor. Last night's game summed up the levels of mediocrity to which we've sunk.
I also endorse Frank's nephew's comments about our ineptitude with set pieces. Ever since the MON days, we have been gash at exploiting and defending set pieces and successive managers have failed to address the issues. It was Alladyce who first shared the stats that set pieces are responsible for a significant proportion of goals scored: if a team cannot exploit them they are already starting a game at a substantial disadvantage.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on November 03, 2015, 07:40:05 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 01:26:18 AM
Quote from: CT Villan on November 03, 2015, 01:20:01 AM
Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, or perhaps naive...but I think if Garde is anything close to decent we will survive - it's only 4 points to safety. Not like we're adrift, 10 points away from 17th with 3 games to go (yet).

Correct. You'd think by some of the statements we were miles off everyone else. It's not like Norwich, Bournemouth, Sunderland, Newcastle to name 4 are all going to win out. They will all drop points too, and none of those sides are playing that well. It's not going to be easy and winning just one game would be a start, but there is nothing impossible about the task. We just have to get that win soon, or at least a point so we can create a foundation to build from.
Even if we lose to City on Sat, because of the other fixtures we will still only be 5 points adrift at worst.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villan For Life on November 03, 2015, 07:47:14 AM
I wonder if he's waking up this morning thinking "oh fuck, what have I done"?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 03, 2015, 07:49:02 AM
Quote from: Villan For Life on November 03, 2015, 07:47:14 AM
I wonder if he's waking up this morning thinking "oh fuck, what have I done"?

I honestly think he might be
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on November 03, 2015, 07:54:00 AM
I was comparing the reaction of Sherwood in the stands,  jumping round like a lunatic punching the air whereas Garde sat there calm, measured and appeared to be taking everything in.

I am hopeful that we have a really intelligent manager on our hands.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on November 03, 2015, 07:54:20 AM
From what I saw of him during last night's game, he has a fair idea already what needs to be done. I'd imagine he's itching to start.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 03, 2015, 07:55:52 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on November 03, 2015, 07:54:00 AM
I was comparing the reaction of Sherwood in the stands, Sherwood jumping round like a lunatic punching the air whereas Garde sat there calm, measured and appeared to be taking everything in.

I am hopeful that we have a really intelligent manager on our hands.

He looked scared shitless, a rabbit in the headlights comes to mind
His facial expression looked like he was in the dock and had been sent down for life

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 03, 2015, 08:00:59 AM
Never mind Garde, unless we get a player who looks even remotely like scoring regularly, Pep Guardiola couldn't keep that pile of shit in the prem. And even then our defence looks more than capable of undoing any work that our strikers might get through. Mate of mine texted me at the game, saying that Alan Smith had just said on Sky " there are no easy games in the Premier league but this one is as close as it gets".

Welcome to Hell, Remi

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 03, 2015, 08:02:47 AM
Quote from: john e on November 03, 2015, 07:55:52 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on November 03, 2015, 07:54:00 AM
I was comparing the reaction of Sherwood in the stands, Sherwood jumping round like a lunatic punching the air whereas Garde sat there calm, measured and appeared to be taking everything in.

I am hopeful that we have a really intelligent manager on our hands.

He looked scared shitless, a rabbit in the headlights comes to mind
His facial expression looked like he was in the dock and had been sent down for life
I only watched the first half but each time the camera panned in on him I imagined him thinking

Sacre Bleu!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 03, 2015, 08:10:21 AM
In actual fact Remi Garde is personally in an excellent position. As my son posted yesterday there is only a modest amount of improvement needed to yield concrete benefits. In addition he is in no way to blame for the state we find ourselves in. If we go down it will be the mass of points thrown away in August, September and October. Perversely McDonald did him a big favour by showing the extent of the dressing room division and being French he can address that malaise instantly.  I could not imagine an incoming Fat Sam or Tony Pulis building any kind of bridge with the new players.
If we are to survive we must get the best out of Gana, Vertout, Amavi, Ayew, Gestede, Ilori, Traore and resurrect the careers of (whisper it) N'Zogbia, Kozak, GG, Baker, Bennett and all the binned off players.
Fan expectations are zero. Remi Garde can only improve his reputation with us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on November 03, 2015, 08:17:53 AM
I agree with Brian. Sunday is like a free pass - if he gets a half decent performance out of us (by paradoxically having us play decently for both halves), he'll get as long a honeymoon period from the fans as he needs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 03, 2015, 08:18:41 AM
A very sanguine commentary from last night, from the Grauniad (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/02/aston-villa-remi-garde-new-manager-tottenham-hotspur)
As has been said: Garde has his work cut out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 03, 2015, 08:22:32 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on November 03, 2015, 08:17:53 AM
I agree with Brian. Sunday is like a free pass - if he gets a half decent performance out of us (by paradoxically having us play decently for both halves), he'll get as long a honeymoon period from the fans as he needs.

Disagree. His job is to keep us up, not to use previous managers' incompetence as an excuse for getting us relegated. We're a quarter of the way through the season with only 10% of the points we think we'll need to stay up and his job is to make sure we get them. Starts on Sunday.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villabear on November 03, 2015, 08:24:28 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 03, 2015, 08:10:21 AM
In actual fact Remi Garde is personally in an excellent position. As my son posted yesterday there is only a modest amount of improvement needed to yield concrete benefits. In addition he is in no way to blame for the state we find ourselves in. If we go down it will be the mass of points thrown away in August, September and October. Perversely McDonald did him a big favour by showing the extent of the dressing room division and being French he can address that malaise instantly.  I could not imagine an incoming Fat Sam or Tony Pulis building any kind of bridge with the new players.
If we are to survive we must get the best out of Gana, Vertout, Amavi, Ayew, Gestede, Ilori, Traore and resurrect the careers of (whisper it) N'Zogbia, Kozak, GG, Baker, Bennett and all the binned off players.
Fan expectations are zero. Remi Garde can only improve his reputation with us.

Couldn't agree more Brian. All this 'should have got a manager with Premier League experience' is just rolled out for every club who find themselves in trouble.

As fans all we want is to see the team giving it a go.  Give me Ayew with a bit of attitude all day over Gabby who really carries himself as not giving a toss.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: russon on November 03, 2015, 08:26:37 AM
Welcome Remi, a bit of housekeeping since it's your first day.

You'll find the toilets 4 miles west of Villa Park, we call it The Hawthorns.

The fire alarm goes off every Saturday at five to three and our staff alight on the grass just outside the dressing rooms.

The business has suffered from a severe downturn in recent years so morale is low amongst the natives. The owner sends his best regards from the other side of the world though.

We don't expect too much of you on your first day, just ease into the role as you see fit but one polite request if I may - SACK THE COWIN' LOT OF THEM.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 03, 2015, 08:32:57 AM
His job is not to keep us up. His job is to get us playing winning football. Win games and to paraphrase the rugby cliché the league will take care of itself. I am beyond caring what place we are in or what league we are in, I want an end to losing. Once that has been addressed I might start to take a passing interest in the league tables.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 03, 2015, 08:36:19 AM
The attitude of 'British is best' needs to be stamped out and I think Garde is the man to do it. The treatment of Gil, who has been outstanding virtually every time he's got on the pitch, is a disgrace. Apparently he doesn't have 'the fight' and it's utter jingoistic shit and needs to be stamped out. Also our captain comes out in the press and says basically there is a divide between the players. Well fucking do something about it Micah, surely that's part of your role as captain.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on November 03, 2015, 08:40:49 AM
This might just be me, but Richards seems like he's got his fingerprints all over this supposed split in the dressing room. If there is a split, it's less about Brits versus Continentals and more Self Entitled Prats versus Those Who Don't Understand Baffling Management.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 03, 2015, 08:43:43 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 03, 2015, 08:32:57 AM
His job is not to keep us up. His job is to get us playing winning football. Win games and to paraphrase the rugby cliché the league will take care of itself. I am beyond caring what place we are in or what league we are in, I want an end to losing. Once that has been addressed I might start to take a passing interest in the league tables.

Must admit I haven't read his job spec but I'd be surprised if keeping us in the league wasn't discussed at some point in his interview.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 03, 2015, 08:47:37 AM
I am sure it was Chico but like many of us, I am hurting so much I have to shut out the bigger picture and take it one match at a time, that's all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 03, 2015, 08:56:00 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 03, 2015, 08:32:57 AM
His job is not to keep us up. His job is to get us playing winning football. Win games and to paraphrase the rugby cliché the league will take care of itself. I am beyond caring what place we are in or what league we are in, I want an end to losing. Once that has been addressed I might start to take a passing interest in the league tables.

Competing in matches again will be a start.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on November 03, 2015, 09:03:59 AM
There's not much you can say to a question about staying in the league. If you answer anything but 'yes' to the question, 'Can you keep us in the Premier League?', you're probably wasting everybody's time. Ditto 'What will you do to keep us in the Premier League?' (Answer: 'Win more points').
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 03, 2015, 09:05:04 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 03, 2015, 08:43:43 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 03, 2015, 08:32:57 AM
His job is not to keep us up. His job is to get us playing winning football. Win games and to paraphrase the rugby cliché the league will take care of itself. I am beyond caring what place we are in or what league we are in, I want an end to losing. Once that has been addressed I might start to take a passing interest in the league tables.

Must admit I haven't read his job spec but I'd be surprised if keeping us in the league wasn't discussed at some point in his interview.

I am sure you are right Chico. I think the owner might agree with you.In fact I'm sure he would and the great majority of the fans. And me for that matter.Its all right playing football that is easy on the eye but at the end of the season if the club goes down it is pointless.

However, having said that, we must give him a little time. As I have said in an earlier post he needs to address morale and team organisation.

Certain players may improve. Some might actually flourish. I am absolutely positive we will stay up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on November 03, 2015, 09:14:43 AM
Quote from: Mister E on November 03, 2015, 08:18:41 AM
A very sanguine commentary from last night, from the Grauniad (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/02/aston-villa-remi-garde-new-manager-tottenham-hotspur)
As has been said: Garde has his work cut out.

'' grand, glorious, rather under loved club'' - Its a very good article - that line alone is one of the most accurate but saddening I have read.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: maigrait on November 03, 2015, 09:14:55 AM
Welcome Remi - We havent lost by any big spanking margins. Would have been nice to keep it to 2-1 last night (even better for 2-2 but hey not to be). A change of the first team and just get them to be hard to beat would be great. Score more goals than the opposition and we are sorted...
Plenty of other gash teams in this league that we can catch up with - a few wins will do us the world of good.
Lets face it, we can't do any worse really - we are currently losing every match we play.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 03, 2015, 09:34:35 AM
I personally cannot wait to hear his first interview just to hear what his standard of spoken english is like. He has, as many have said,got a hell of a job on his hands. But no doubt he will be in constant touch with Wenger,Vierra and Houllier as to the path to take in the next few months.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: serbentoflight on November 03, 2015, 09:38:17 AM
Good Luck Remi, You'll need it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 03, 2015, 09:48:52 AM
Someone mentioned on the wireless last night that his English is excellent. If not quite perfect I'm sure Lorna will help him brush up on his usage (not a euphemism, you mucky-minded feckers!).

If he needs to upset a few of the players to get them playing - or not - for the benefit of the overall team then he has my blessing...drop Gabby, move Richards to right back, play Sanchez only in front of the back four, use Gestede sparingly, if at all...

Looking forward to seeing his first line-up on Sunday.
And upon seeing it I doubt if my heart will sink as much as it did when the teams have been announced for the last 3 games we've played.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 03, 2015, 09:57:02 AM
"Gabby, Bacuna, Richardson, Lescott, Westwood, you are, how do I say? A big bag of wank, no?".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 03, 2015, 10:18:22 AM
I hope he is a really nasty bastard and sorts out some of these coasters. Let's them know in no uncertain terms that things like 6 touches in a half and repeating the same mistakes over and over aren't acceptable. If you can't take a corner properly, stay behind after training and practice. I want some of these fuckers shaken up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: footyskillz on November 03, 2015, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on November 03, 2015, 10:18:22 AM
I hope he is a really nasty bastard and sorts out some of these coasters. Let's them know in no uncertain terms that things like 6 touches in a half and repeating the same mistakes over and over aren't acceptable. If you can't take a corner properly, stay behind after training and practice. I want some of these fuckers shaken up.

Are you thinking agbonlahor and Westwood?

Agreed regarding Westwood poor set pieces and hope veretout, grealish or Bacuna will be ahead of him on all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on November 03, 2015, 10:27:11 AM
Garde's brief: eliminate complacency. For years now this has been at the root of everything that's shit at Villa. Too many coasting along giving too little and taking too much. Just as we invite teams to score against us in almost every match we play, practically asking and asking again to be beaten, we've been asking and asking again for relegation. It will come unless there's a stark, abrupt and painful change of culture throughout the club. Garde doesn't look the chummy type. I hope he's ruthless and cunning enough to stop the rot at this club in spite of its hapless, naive owner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 03, 2015, 10:32:03 AM
He's probably wishing the international break was now, not after Sunday's game.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on November 03, 2015, 10:37:22 AM
Quote from: OCD on November 03, 2015, 10:32:03 AM
He's probably wishing the international break was now, not after Sunday's game.

Maybe.  But it works quite well for us either way.  City is probably a write off anyway and it gives him a proper first look and then a break to work on things.  Given the sky money, the next two months are probably some of the most important in the last 30 years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 03, 2015, 10:59:17 AM
another benefit is that there won't be a shirt big enough for gabby to get into in two or three weeks time so that alone will rule out any more appearances
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 03, 2015, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: Ads on November 03, 2015, 09:57:02 AM
"Gabby, Bacuna, Richardson, Lescott, Westwood, you are, how do I say? A big bag of wank, no?".

"Fucking sheet"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 03, 2015, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: footyskillz on November 03, 2015, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on November 03, 2015, 10:18:22 AM
I hope he is a really nasty bastard and sorts out some of these coasters. Let's them know in no uncertain terms that things like 6 touches in a half and repeating the same mistakes over and over aren't acceptable. If you can't take a corner properly, stay behind after training and practice. I want some of these fuckers shaken up.

Are you thinking agbonlahor and Westwood?

Agreed regarding Westwood poor set pieces and hope veretout, grealish or Bacuna will be ahead of him on all.

The lot of them. It appears no one can do a basic such as take a corner, so keep them all in for an extra half hour every day until someone can take a corner. Free kicks, exactly the same. Basic throw in drills, without anyone gormlessly standing there staring. Guzan, 45 minutes every day kicking, kicking and kicking some more until you resemble a footballer. These are the very very basics, things we need to be able to do without thinking about it and we make it seem like a skill only the Brazilian team of 82 could ever obtain.

They are lazy, opta stats say currently no other teams runs less than we do in each premiership game, each player on average runs a whole mile less than Bournemouth, that's 11 miles less covered in games. We are lazy on the pitch and lazy on the training ground.

No more rolling in at ten and going home at midday. I want these players drilled, I'm sick to the fucking back teeth of losing and if they had any pride or backbone they would be to and do what it takes to improve.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sid1964 on November 03, 2015, 11:23:15 AM
I just hope that we all give Remi the time to sort out the mess we are in - for me he has as big as job as Graham Taylor did when he first arrived, the whole club needs sorting out.

Lets hope that it is not to big of a task for him to sort out.

Watching last night you would think that none of our lot trained together, there was no team play no team pattern and certainly no tactics

Only Gill, Ayew and Sinclair for me showed any ambition of wanting the ball
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 03, 2015, 11:26:04 AM
Not word for word but a memorable little snippet from 5Live's commentary last night when we had scored and were pushing for a second:
"And it's a corner to Aston Villa on the left...and Danny Rose comes away with the ball."


Wtf happened there?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tuscans on November 03, 2015, 12:11:09 PM
Press conference ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 03, 2015, 12:14:42 PM
When is the press conference?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on November 03, 2015, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: LeeB on November 03, 2015, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: Ads on November 03, 2015, 09:57:02 AM
"Gabby, Bacuna, Richardson, Lescott, Westwood, you are, how do I say? A big bag of wank, no?".

"Fucking sheet"

Bacuna has a slight let from me as nobody knows his best position. The others are shite. Utterly woeful. 3 totally past their best and one who is frankly not, nor ever been, good enough for a half decent top flight team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 03, 2015, 12:24:27 PM
I got the thumbs down for this last night, but surely money has to be forthcoming in January?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 03, 2015, 12:39:41 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on November 03, 2015, 12:24:27 PM
I got the thumbs down for this last night, but surely money has to be forthcoming in January?

Money has to be spent on a striker or  we are down without a shadow of a doubt for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Boz on November 03, 2015, 12:42:34 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 03, 2015, 09:48:52 AM
Someone mentioned on the wireless last night that his English is excellent. If not quite perfect I'm sure Lorna will help him brush up on his usage (not a euphemism, you mucky-minded feckers!).

If he needs to upset a few of the players to get them playing - or not - for the benefit of the overall team then he has my blessing...drop Gabby, move Richards to right back, play Sanchez only in front of the back four, use Gestede sparingly, if at all...

Looking forward to seeing his first line-up on Sunday.
And upon seeing it I doubt if my heart will sink as much as it did when the teams have been announced for the last 3 games we've played.

Interesting article on BBC web site. Hope Garde comes up to expectations and if Richards has a beef about a French manager, well he will have to suck it up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34699001


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 03, 2015, 12:44:21 PM
fail
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 03, 2015, 12:48:11 PM
There is more at stake this year as far as cash goes than ever. I think Randy's wallet will need flexing in January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 03, 2015, 12:49:52 PM
Richards would be wise to keep his mouth shut off the pitch, open it a bit more on the pitch and work on his concentration issues that leads to us conceding when he shuts off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 03, 2015, 12:51:50 PM
Lives up to the bbc write up we will be fine but we have to give him time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 03, 2015, 12:53:14 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on November 03, 2015, 12:17:51 PM
Quote from: LeeB on November 03, 2015, 11:03:20 AM
Quote from: Ads on November 03, 2015, 09:57:02 AM
"Gabby, Bacuna, Richardson, Lescott, Westwood, you are, how do I say? A big bag of wank, no?".

"Fucking sheet"

Bacuna has a slight let from me as nobody knows his best position. The others are shite. Utterly woeful. 3 totally past their best and one who is frankly not, nor ever been, good enough for a half decent top flight team.


Nobody knows Bacuna's position because he's shit wherever he plays.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 03, 2015, 12:54:24 PM
Good article that.

Was feeling positive about Monsieur Garde anyway, now a little more so.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 03, 2015, 12:59:32 PM
They keep mentioning the 4-4-2 diamond (or 4-3-1-2) he had at Lyon as if it's some sort of article of faith with him that he has to play it. Actually, he played it out of necessity and is known for suiting the formation to the players, rather than the other way around.

If he does want to play the diamond with us, however, and in a way which doesn't include the football-vacuum Gabby, the dyspraxic camel Gestede or the AWOL Kozak, he's going to have to convert either Gil or Grealish into a second striker with the other one in the no. 10 position, or play Sinclair and Ayew up front together despite the fact that they're very similar.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on November 03, 2015, 01:05:16 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on November 03, 2015, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: footyskillz on November 03, 2015, 10:22:31 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on November 03, 2015, 10:18:22 AM
I hope he is a really nasty bastard and sorts out some of these coasters. Let's them know in no uncertain terms that things like 6 touches in a half and repeating the same mistakes over and over aren't acceptable. If you can't take a corner properly, stay behind after training and practice. I want some of these fuckers shaken up.

Are you thinking agbonlahor and Westwood?

Agreed regarding Westwood poor set pieces and hope veretout, grealish or Bacuna will be ahead of him on all.


They are lazy, opta stats say currently no other teams runs less than we do in each premiership game, each player on average runs a whole mile less than Bournemouth, that's 11 miles less covered in games. We are lazy on the pitch and lazy on the training ground.


The most damning thing I've read about us. Shocking, and whatever limitation in terms of quality, there is no excuse for this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 03, 2015, 01:05:56 PM
I see Garde as I builder of football teams, a deep thinker who gradually starts to shape his philosophy into a club, well that's what I'm hoping anyway

problem is I cant see him hitting the ground running, I think he will need time to recognise  the problems and then rectify them

time we haven't got,
 that's why Pulis, Alardyce do well, they have there own set of tried and tested  starting blocks that they introduce and it quickly gets teams playing up to a certain level, that level is not very high but its successful at first in getting teams out of the mire
even Sherwoods brand of mouthy swashbuckling bragard stuff worked for us last season, I just don't think Garde can do the same thing

I don't want any of the above, I want what we have,
but I fear we might get caught adrift before it starts working out, the problem is even if we can see slow developing improvement and a plan of sorts if we go down it will entail losing a load more games,

and as much as we like to think otherwise, loss after loss will only produce unrest and another call to change the manager, I hope this nightmare scenario doesn't happen obviously,
 but I just don't see a man that's going to galvanise the team very quickly

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on November 03, 2015, 01:06:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on November 03, 2015, 12:39:41 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on November 03, 2015, 12:24:27 PM
I got the thumbs down for this last night, but surely money has to be forthcoming in January?

Money has to be spent on a striker or  we are down without a shadow of a doubt for me.
Yep I'd hope any money we have in January will go towards a top striker, if we have any left over then a good keeper, the other positions aren't too bad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 03, 2015, 01:07:33 PM
I'm amazed that people associate having a slightly visionary plan with not getting immediate results - sometimes it doesn't, but sometimes it absolutely does.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on November 03, 2015, 01:12:13 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on November 03, 2015, 12:49:52 PM
Richards would be wise to keep his mouth shut off the pitch, open it a bit more on the pitch and work on his concentration issues that leads to us conceding when he shuts off.

Wise words - I hope the fucker reads and digests them
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 03, 2015, 01:13:31 PM
Allardyce has lost two out of his first three and got twatted six in one of those games.

I am not saying Garde will work magic from the off, but why is a retrograde dinosaur, with a fat head I may add, more likely to work it out from day 1 at a new club than Garde? Do we play a different sport here?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 03, 2015, 01:18:34 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 03, 2015, 01:13:31 PM
Allardyce has lost two out of his first three and got twatted six in one of those games.

I am not saying Garde will work magic from the off, but why is a retrograde dinosaur, with a fat head I may add, more likely to work it out from day 1 at a new club than Garde? Do we play a different sport here?

Ah well that's the myth perpetuated by the media that you can only succeed if you have Premier League experience. It's a load of shit and it's part of the reason that the standard of football in England never improves. Fortunately the Villa board are trying to debunk that myth.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 03, 2015, 01:19:02 PM
His only win was against Newcastle and every Sunderland manager beats them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 01:21:03 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 03, 2015, 01:07:33 PM
I'm amazed that people associate having a slightly visionary plan with not getting immediate results - sometimes it doesn't, but sometimes it absolutely does.

It's as if there is only one way to win matches or one way to defend or one way to score goals. We showed last night what a tiny bit of belief can do because for a short period we were every bit as good as Spurs. That we ultimately could not come back is because 1) the hole was too big given the way the "manager" set us up initially, and 2) we were unlucky and finally succumbed to another goal having pushed forward. Garde will have taken note of the good and the bad, and if he's as astute as we hope he is in time he will find a way to bring on the players we acquired in the summer while eliminating those who don't buy in.

Randy, who doesn't say much, made it crystal clear (to me anyway) in a couple of sentences yesterday about what has pissed him and the board off. Here is a man looking to sell the club, who then sanctioned spending a large sum of money on new players only to find the former manager, and now the interim manager almost refusing to acknowledge them or play them. That won't have gone unnoticed and I am sure the need to use the likes of Veretout or Amavi or Traore will have been a key reason to hire Garde so I expect to see most if not all them reintegrated fully to the squad in the very near future.

Appointing Garde and supporting him will be a priority for the board. He might not get a ton to spend in January but he will be supported. Additionally he'll be supported in his decisions regarding the existing squad and coaching staff. Hopefully that spells the end to those hiding under the blanket of comfort and mediocrity like Gabby and MacDonald.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on November 03, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 01:21:03 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 03, 2015, 01:07:33 PM
I'm amazed that people associate having a slightly visionary plan with not getting immediate results - sometimes it doesn't, but sometimes it absolutely does.

It's as if there is only one way to win matches or one way to defendor one way to score goals. We showed last night what a tiny bit of belief can do because for a short period we were every bit as good as Spurs. That we ultimately could not come back is because 1) the hole was too big given the way the "manager" set us up initially, and 2) we were unlucky and finally succumbed to another goal having pushed forward. Garde will have taken note of the good and the bad, and if he's as astute as we hope he is in time he will find a way to bring on the players we acquired in the summer while eliminating those who don't buy in.

Randy, who doesn't say much, made it crystal clear (to me anyway) in a couple of sentences yesterday about what has pissed him and the board off. Here is a man looking to sell the club, who then sanctioned spending a large sum of money on new players only to find the former manager, and now the interim manager almost refusing to acknowledge them or play them. That won't have gone unnoticed and I am sure the need to use the likes of Veretout or Amavi or Traore will have been a key reason to hire Garde so I expect to see most if not all them reintegrated fully to the squad in the very near future.

Appointing Garde and supporting him will be a priority for the board. He might not get a ton to spend in January but he will be supported. Additionally he'll be supported in his decisions regarding the existing squad and coaching staff. Hopefully that spells the end to those hiding under the blanket of comfort and mediocrity like Gabby and MacDonald.

A bit out of the loop. When did Randy say this?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 03, 2015, 01:24:21 PM
I'm not sure if it's been commented on, but I have seen some TV replays of Garde on the box last night, where the most he seemed to move was a shake of the head.

I like that. Unruffled and unburdened by emotion, working out the basic organisational issues we have and how to fix them. Not leaping around like a fool, because he's showing his passion as a proper football man.

Nice article on the BBC.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on November 03, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 01:21:03 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 03, 2015, 01:07:33 PM
I'm amazed that people associate having a slightly visionary plan with not getting immediate results - sometimes it doesn't, but sometimes it absolutely does.

It's as if there is only one way to win matches or one way to defendor one way to score goals. We showed last night what a tiny bit of belief can do because for a short period we were every bit as good as Spurs. That we ultimately could not come back is because 1) the hole was too big given the way the "manager" set us up initially, and 2) we were unlucky and finally succumbed to another goal having pushed forward. Garde will have taken note of the good and the bad, and if he's as astute as we hope he is in time he will find a way to bring on the players we acquired in the summer while eliminating those who don't buy in.

Randy, who doesn't say much, made it crystal clear (to me anyway) in a couple of sentences yesterday about what has pissed him and the board off. Here is a man looking to sell the club, who then sanctioned spending a large sum of money on new players only to find the former manager, and now the interim manager almost refusing to acknowledge them or play them. That won't have gone unnoticed and I am sure the need to use the likes of Veretout or Amavi or Traore will have been a key reason to hire Garde so I expect to see most if not all them reintegrated fully to the squad in the very near future.

Appointing Garde and supporting him will be a priority for the board. He might not get a ton to spend in January but he will be supported. Additionally he'll be supported in his decisions regarding the existing squad and coaching staff. Hopefully that spells the end to those hiding under the blanket of comfort and mediocrity like Gabby and MacDonald.

A bit out of the loop. When did Randy say this?

it was in the announcement yesterday Rob, on the OS

Quote
"Nobody at Villa can deny that we are way behind. We recruited aggressively this past summer and it is our responsibility to now harvest this talent rather than buckle under pressure and criticism - we are better than that. On behalf of the Board we wish Rémi every success."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: maidstonevillain on November 03, 2015, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 03, 2015, 01:13:31 PM
Allardyce has lost two out of his first three and got twatted six in one of those games.

I am not saying Garde will work magic from the off, but why is a retrograde dinosaur, with a fat head I may add, more likely to work it out from day 1 at a new club than Garde? Do we play a different sport here?

Because on the whole his retrograde dinosaur tactics are tried and tested.  And he has got 3 more points than us in the last three games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on November 03, 2015, 01:32:15 PM
Thanks TV

I 'heard' the quote but didn't know who it was attributable too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 03, 2015, 01:35:04 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on November 03, 2015, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 03, 2015, 01:13:31 PM
Allardyce has lost two out of his first three and got twatted six in one of those games.

I am not saying Garde will work magic from the off, but why is a retrograde dinosaur, with a fat head I may add, more likely to work it out from day 1 at a new club than Garde? Do we play a different sport here?

Because on the whole his retrograde dinosaur tactics are tried and tested.  And he has got 3 more points than us in the last three games.

Do sides not stay up by playing attractive passing football?

They were shite against Newcastle too, who even with 10 men looked miles better than Sunderland.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 03, 2015, 01:36:02 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on November 03, 2015, 01:32:15 PM
Thanks TV

I 'heard' the quote but didn't know who it was attributable too.

Tried, tested, and proven to bring every bit as much failure as success. Every year teams at the bottom try and grind their way out, and every year three of them fail pathetically. Meanwhile, other teams playing better football overperform and claw their way out of it.

And never mind other teams, just look at us for a minute. In the post-MON (and largely post-money era), whenever we've been good to watch we've also been getting points, and whenever we've been ugly we've ended up in deep, deep trouble. Lambert's first season - horrific scrambling defensive mediocrity salvaged by a crazy last few weeks; last season, again exactly the same pattern, only this time it was Sherwood's crazy attacking (and the performances of Delph, Benteke and Grealish) just about saved us.

I think we need to go with what history tells us on this one - good football, for us, is also winning football. Our problem is that we play awful football too much, and get awful results. Time to change that, I think.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 03, 2015, 01:47:05 PM
It has to for us to survive  & prosper in this or any other  league - I'm just praying we don't see some of last night's half-arsed chancers in a first team squad again
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Smirker on November 03, 2015, 02:02:36 PM
Is there any chance of us getting Garde's assistants still?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 02:11:04 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 03, 2015, 01:13:31 PM
Allardyce has lost two out of his first three and got twatted six in one of those games.

I am not saying Garde will work magic from the off, but why is a retrograde dinosaur, with a fat head I may add, more likely to work it out from day 1 at a new club than Garde? Do we play a different sport here?

Well what we play sure as hell ain't football.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on November 03, 2015, 02:16:34 PM
I'm pleased we haven't gone down the obvious route - Pearson etc and it is an experimental high risk approach. Whatever happens I hope we stick with him and vice versa and get the right footballing structure in place (which I think Houllier would have overseen). If the worst happens then so be it but I hope that whatever happens we focus on the footballing side of things as I think we need a total transformation at all levels.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on November 03, 2015, 02:20:47 PM
If we stick with this guy (irrespective what happens this seaon - if we go down it will largely not be his fault), we may reverse the horrible trend of the last 5 years. If this is another short term option, we will get everything we deserve (and are getting what we deserve).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: joe_c on November 03, 2015, 02:20:59 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on November 03, 2015, 01:19:02 PM
His only win was against Newcastle and every Sunderland manager beats them.

They've won the last six meetings under four different managers which is a pretty astonishing statistic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on November 03, 2015, 02:16:34 PM
I'm pleased we haven't gone down the obvious route - Pearson etc and it is an experimental high risk approach. Whatever happens I hope we stick with him and vice versa and get the right footballing structure in place (which I think Houllier would have overseen). If the worst happens then so be it but I hope that whatever happens we focus on the footballing side of things as I think we need a total transformation at all levels.

I don't think it is that experimental or necessarily higher risk than any if the usual suspects.

Pulis, Allardyce and Hughes to an extent, basically try and bully their way to points, but I don't think that there's ever been a time where more teams have been more technically focused than now. I can't think of another team / manager in put in that group.
We've got a squad that if it's going to get out of trouble it's going to be by playing football, because as sure as he'll isn't going to be by being physically intimidating.

So we've got a league that's more technical than ever and a squad that's going to have to play technical football to survive.
I'd say parachuting an Allardyce clone into that would be more problematic than someone who can actually coach players and understands tactics and how to adjust from game to game and within games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gareth on November 03, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
Wonder if there are any free agents out there that Remi might get in now? Thinking a goalkeeper would be nice...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 03, 2015, 02:40:13 PM
Quote from: Gareth on November 03, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
Wonder if there are any free agents out there that Remi might get in now? Thinking a goalkeeper would be nice...

Victor Valdes on loan in January would improve our keeper distribution.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: footyskillz on November 03, 2015, 02:41:35 PM
We are now En Garde! And the boss can be the new villa new remi-d.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 03, 2015, 02:43:32 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on November 03, 2015, 02:41:35 PM
We are now En Garde! And the boss can be the new villa new remi-d.


I think your account was hacked earlier by an astute person
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 03, 2015, 02:49:45 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if he was talking to Wenger about bringing a couple of Arsenal players on loan in January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on November 03, 2015, 02:54:39 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 03, 2015, 02:40:13 PM
Quote from: Gareth on November 03, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
Wonder if there are any free agents out there that Remi might get in now? Thinking a goalkeeper would be nice...

Victor Valdes on loan in January would improve our keeper distribution.

Victor Meldrew on loan in January... etc. etc.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT Villan on November 03, 2015, 02:58:11 PM
If Remi can't get Baticle and Genesio, maybe he can pries Viera away from the Man City reserves.

and knowing of his Houllier heritage, I would not be surprised to see some of the players throwing toys our of their prams once he tells them to knuckle down - we have gone through several managers and are right back to the Houllier era...extreme deja vu. Fingers-crossed the vision gets realized this time.


"Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before."
- Steven Wright
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on November 03, 2015, 03:12:07 PM
Quote from: OCD on November 03, 2015, 02:49:45 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if he was talking to Wenger about bringing a couple of Arsenal players on loan in January.

Cech please....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 03, 2015, 03:14:29 PM
I think I read some where we'd have to wait for the French league winter break if we still want Baticle and Genesio.

I do think Lerner will give whatever Remi wants in January and I'd imagine a left sided central defender and a striker will be top of his list.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 03, 2015, 03:19:15 PM
If we're still in the bottom 3 by transfer window time, we'll struggle to attract any decent talent, even if Lerner decides to spend. Would you join a club like us at the moment? I probably wouldn't
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 03, 2015, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 03, 2015, 03:19:15 PM
If we're still in the bottom 3 by transfer window time, we'll struggle to attract any decent talent, even if Lerner decides to spend. Would you join a club like us at the moment? I probably wouldn't
Pay enough money, with a release clause if we go down, and I reckon you could get Messi to join.

Well, maybe not him, but you get my drift.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Wiggz on November 03, 2015, 03:51:19 PM
Quote from: andyh on November 03, 2015, 03:43:53 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 03, 2015, 03:19:15 PM
If we're still in the bottom 3 by transfer window time, we'll struggle to attract any decent talent, even if Lerner decides to spend. Would you join a club like us at the moment? I probably wouldn't
Pay enough money, with a release clause if we go down, and I reckon you could get Messi to join.

Well, maybe not him, but you get my drift.

You sir miss the point. In January, every team will be searching to over the odds for good players...and we, based on our current form, will be 20th effin choice!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 03, 2015, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on November 03, 2015, 02:16:34 PM
I'm pleased we haven't gone down the obvious route - Pearson etc and it is an experimental high risk approach. Whatever happens I hope we stick with him and vice versa and get the right footballing structure in place (which I think Houllier would have overseen). If the worst happens then so be it but I hope that whatever happens we focus on the footballing side of things as I think we need a total transformation at all levels.

I don't think it is that experimental or necessarily higher risk than any if the usual suspects.

Pulis, Allardyce and Hughes to an extent, basically try and bully their way to points, but I don't think that there's ever been a time where more teams have been more technically focused than now. I can't think of another team / manager in put in that group.
We've got a squad that if it's going to get out of trouble it's going to be by playing football, because as sure as he'll isn't going to be by being physically intimidating.

So we've got a league that's more technical than ever and a squad that's going to have to play technical football to survive.
I'd say parachuting an Allardyce clone into that would be more problematic than someone who can actually coach players and understands tactics and how to adjust from game to game and within games.

there is no one on this site hates the Pulis/Alardyce football more than me,
i would rather go down and rebuild again than have either at the club

however i do think it will take a bit of time for the new man to impose his style on the team before we see some real improvement
i hope I'm wrong, i hope we play Man City on Saturday and we immediately see winning football and we get the new manager bounce straight away, i just feel it will take longer
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 03, 2015, 04:02:01 PM
With a lot of the new recruits being from a league that passes the ball more than we have or can maybe they will adapt to the Garde style from the first game.  That's my hope anyway.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 03, 2015, 04:08:01 PM
Klopp has certainly got 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' playing a more pressing, higher tempo game within a few weeks...I hope Remi can have a similarly swift effect on us.

The fact that we are so consistently poor means that just doing basics better - pass and go, throw ins, corners, pressing the ball and/or the player on it - should make a noticeable difference for the better.

Not picking Gabby, Lescott, Bacuna and Richardson and replacing them with footballers should also help.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KRS on November 03, 2015, 04:10:35 PM
Are we expecting a press conference today or tomorrow?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on November 03, 2015, 04:13:56 PM
Duverne has quit Metz and joined Villa according to Twitter.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 03, 2015, 04:14:43 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 03, 2015, 04:08:01 PM
Klopp has certainly got 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' playing a more pressing, higher tempo game within a few weeks...I hope Remi can have a similarly swift effect on us.

One thing I have noticed this season, our pressing is more about going through the motions. 50/50 balls go 95/5 to the opposition player.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 03, 2015, 04:15:25 PM
hope I'm wrong
but I think there might be some very disappointed people on here when things don't pick up straight away
I think it will be evolution not revolution

I am fully behind Garde, very happy with the appointment,
 I just think its going to take more than re arranging the line up and changing a a few tactics here and there

I think we are really deep in the shit this time, not because we have bad players but because we are not a team, we have no pattern, we have no ID,
Garde will put this right I am sure, but the fruits might take some time

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 03, 2015, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on November 03, 2015, 04:13:56 PM
Duverne has quit Metz and joined Villa according to Twitter.

Nice.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 03, 2015, 04:20:36 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on November 03, 2015, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on November 03, 2015, 04:13:56 PM
Duverne has quit Metz and joined Villa according to Twitter.

Nice.

Metz
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wince on November 03, 2015, 04:22:36 PM
I am genuinely excited about Garde coming, more so than with Sherwood whose inexperience worried me. I will support him, even if we go down as I believe that he is a decent manager for us, even though we may be a stepping stone for him until the arsenal job comes up. Pulis, Sam Ateallthepies and to some extent the PR nightmare of Pearson are not great choices nor was Moyes or Rodgers, both who are suffering a crisi of confidence. Those suggesting Rowett need to take a long hard look at yourselves. Firstly do you think one of the rags managers would ever get a good reception and lets be fair, even though he has done a decent enough job playing mercenaries and kids, he hardy had the experience at top level did he? One mistake and villa fans would be on his back every five seconds. Good for them, not for us

It really is back to basics with our lot. Gabby needs to either lose a stone, learn to play or get out. Westwood needs to be pointed in the direction of the championship, Grealish needs to start growing up and guzan needs to be shipped out in January.

Garde has my full backing and to be blunt, as shit as we are, we are already gone anyway so lets start playing without fear!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 03, 2015, 04:23:18 PM
Tres bien.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on November 03, 2015, 04:26:59 PM
Can we get Evra on a free in Jan...?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wince on November 03, 2015, 04:27:13 PM
ASTON VILLANovember 3rd, 2015 5:00 p.m.; Act: 3/11/2015 5:21 p.m. Print
Robert Duverne Metz leaves for England
METZ - The new Aston Villa coach, Remi Garde, asked Robert Duverne to join his staff. FC Metz accepted the request and therefore separates from his trainer.





The French fitness coach Robert Duverne, will engage in the next few hours with the English club Aston Villa. Indeed, the former trainer of the team of France and Olympique Lyonnais wants to join his former colleague Lyon coach Rémi Garde, who has just signed England. Initially linked with FC Metz until the end of the current season, the technician had the promise from President messin he would be released if Remi Garde called for a Premier League club. "A word is a word, we will end by mutual agreement of the contract that binds us," said Bernard Serin on the club website.

Robert Duverne joined the club in August 2014. FC Metz had prepared the release of Duverne recruiting at the beginning of this season the Belgian Deputy Bernard Smeets. The latter becomes the physical trainer of the first team, replacing Robert Duverne, 48, had joined a former colleague of Lyon, Gérard Houllier at Aston Villa ... between 2010 and 2011.





From L'Essentiel in France (sorry for poor translation, blame Google)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 03, 2015, 04:28:03 PM
He's back to get you off the pies again Gabby, you big tub of lard.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 04:30:08 PM
while watching us huff and puff around WHL, Garde was probably on the phone to him last night and demanded he quit. Good news though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Quiet Lion on November 03, 2015, 04:37:30 PM
We have looked visibly off the pace to me this season, and if the OPTA stats do show that we have run less than any other club, that is a clear area of improvement. Lets hope, no pray this guy can get us fit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 03, 2015, 04:38:25 PM
I remember something that some of the players when he was here before were not into Duverne fitness regime .  Im happy hes coming .

 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 03, 2015, 04:39:17 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1367156/French-fitness-coach-Robert-Duverne-centre-Aston-Villa-row.html


maybe I meant this
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 03, 2015, 04:39:43 PM
Quote from: wince on November 03, 2015, 04:22:36 PM
.......Garde has my full backing and to be blunt, as shit as we are, we are already gone anyway so lets start playing without fear!

We ain't gone yet !!!!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 03, 2015, 04:39:57 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 03, 2015, 04:38:25 PM
I remember something that some of the players when he was here before were not into Duverne fitness regime .  Im happy hes coming .

Yeah, those players were infamously lazy sods, so good to see Duverne vindicated in a way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dr Butler on November 03, 2015, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on November 03, 2015, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on November 03, 2015, 04:13:56 PM
Duverne has quit Metz and joined Villa according to Twitter.

Nice.

Nancy ;)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 03, 2015, 04:42:04 PM
I am sure Timmy was moaning when he arrived that we weren't fit enough to play his type of football.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 03, 2015, 04:42:27 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 03, 2015, 04:38:25 PM
I remember something that some of the players when he was here before were not into Duverne fitness regime .  Im happy hes coming .

 

Dunne and Collins I think. No surprise that Dunne wasn't happy being told to shift some lard.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 03, 2015, 04:43:19 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 03, 2015, 04:39:57 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 03, 2015, 04:38:25 PM
I remember something that some of the players when he was here before were not into Duverne fitness regime .  Im happy hes coming .

Yeah, those players were infamously lazy sods, so good to see Duverne vindicated in a way.

whos left from then? Gabby  ha ha
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 03, 2015, 04:44:11 PM
Wasn't Gabby on his side in some of the rucks that went on? How times have changed - Gabby is definitely one of the regressive crew in our dressing room.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 03, 2015, 04:44:12 PM
Lets hope Houlier also tells Garde about the next Cabaye
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 03, 2015, 04:45:57 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 03, 2015, 04:44:11 PM
Wasn't Gabby on his side in some of the rucks that went on? How times have changed - Gabby is definitely one of the regressive crew in our dressing room.

Duverne needs to get that Pizza vending machine out of the dressing room.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lsvilla on November 03, 2015, 04:45:58 PM
Good. Now let Duverne test them all to his standards and any deemed not fit enough should be withdrawn from any intl call ups they get and he can have 2 weeks after Sunday to sort the lazy f#@kers out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: joe_c on November 03, 2015, 04:47:58 PM
Quote from: aev on November 03, 2015, 04:20:36 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on November 03, 2015, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on November 03, 2015, 04:13:56 PM
Duverne has quit Metz and joined Villa according to Twitter.

Nice.

Metz

WKD

I like this game.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 03, 2015, 04:47:59 PM
I think Ayew looks pretty fit .

Gestede and Gabby look awful.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 03, 2015, 04:48:06 PM
That first half from Tubby was one of the most abject performances I have seen in a long time, and considering how shite we have been recently, that is saying something.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 03, 2015, 04:49:26 PM
That injury crisis last time he was here... Hogg and Bannsn centre-mid...

*Shudders*
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on November 03, 2015, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: john e on November 03, 2015, 04:15:25 PM
hope I'm wrong
but I think there might be some very disappointed people on here when things don't pick up straight away
I think it will be evolution not revolution

I am fully behind Garde, very happy with the appointment,
 I just think its going to take more than re arranging the line up and changing a a few tactics here and there

I think we are really deep in the shit this time, not because we have bad players but because we are not a team, we have no pattern, we have no ID,
Garde will put this right I am sure, but the fruits might take some time



Experience should tell us that often what we think we are getting isn't how it turns out.

I can see the reasoning with Garde and agree that it seems a good fit and I like what I have read about him from those who know him or of him. Then I reflect that to win games you need to score goals and think of Gabby and Gestede and that you need to not concede and I think of Guzan at Chelsea and Clark last night (to pick just 2 from many) and that optimism is tempered.

I know at the moment the gap does not look insurmountable at the bottom but, given our next couple of opponents, it might look a lot worse by the end of the month. He really has got his work cut out to make the proverbial silk purse from the current mess.

I really hope that it works out favourably, it would be fantastic for progressive thinking to succeed for once at the Villa, but there is no denying that we are in a hole but let's hope that we have finally stopped digging.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 03, 2015, 04:51:08 PM
I think getting a fitness coach in who will actually get the players to work hard is very sensible. It should also be symbolic of the extra work they need to put into the rest of their game as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 04:53:57 PM
Quote
Rémi Garde, the humble visionary, ready to do the hard yards with Aston Villa
Lyon called him their Pep Guardiola and Aston Villa have pinned their hopes on the calm and thoughtful Frenchman cutting it in the Premier League
 
“I’m warning you, you risk enjoying it.” So said Arsène Wenger to Rémi Garde when the former Arsenal midfielder accepted Lyon’s offer to move into management in 2011. And Garde did enjoy it but he also found it draining and so after three successful years at Lyon – and the day after receiving his final coaching badge – he stepped down, explaining he wanted to devote himself more to his family and “recharge”. Seventeen months later the 49-year-old has decided the time is right to return to management. We will soon find out whether Villa Park is the right place.

There is no doubt Lyon was the perfect location for him to begin his managerial career. He was born close to the city in 1966 and supported the team as a child before joining their academy and progressing to the first team, which he captained to promotion in 1989 and thus helped launch the club’s rise to dominance in France.

After leaving and spending three years at Strasbourg and another three at Arsenal, he returned to Lyon and worked in all the main sectors of the club – as a scout, then director of the academy from which he had graduated and also as the assistant manager to first Paul Le Guen and then Gérard Houllier. When he was given the top job it seemed like a destiny fulfilled. “He’s a very intelligent guy, he is a visionary and he has an approach to football that I think is remarkable … I’ve been saying to the president for a while: ‘Rémi is our Guardiola’,” said Bernard Lacombe, the long-time adviser to the Lyon president, Jean-Michel Aulas.

Garde transformed Lyon, not quite spectacularly or triumphantly enough to put him in the class of Pep Guardiola but noticeably and while operating within shackles the Catalan did not have to contend with and Aston Villa do.

Lyon had just missed out on Champions League qualification and were slashing their budget so Garde had to integrate a wave of young players while many of the team’s assets were sold. His calm, clear and collaborative manner helped lift the spirit of a team who had become rather morose under his disciplinarian predecessor, Claude Puel, and he fostered a vibrant attacking style while remaining versatile enough to use a variety of formations.

Garde fostered a vibrant attacking style at Lyon while remaining versatile enough to use a variety of formations
Garde won the French Cup in his first season, had a good run in the Europa League and kept the team in respectable league positions throughout his reign at a time when money was propelling Paris Saint-Germain and Monaco into another dimension.

Lyon lost to PSG in the 2014 League Cup final a month before he announced he would not accept the club’s offer of a new contract. Already in that final the strain of the job seemed apparent, as a touchline camera detected him insulting the PSG defender Thiago Motta in a highly uncharacteristic outburst for which he apologised unreservedly the next day.

Garde evidently feels revitalised by the sabbatical he has enjoyed since leaving, during which his only football-related work has been as a media analyst, sometimes alongside Wenger, his friend and virtual mentor.

He will be well aware he is walking into a different and more difficult environment at Villa Park. Morale is low, the team’s calibre uncertain and the extent of the owner’s ambition, beyond selling the club, unclear despite the acquisition of 13 players in the summer. And he will soon find out the Premier League is a lot tougher than Ligue 1.

Rémi Garde won the French Cup in his first season at Lyon, had a good run in the Europa League and kept the club in respectable league positions throughout his reign. Photograph: Robert Pratta/Reuters/Corbis
Garde knows all that but working in England has long been his aim. He perhaps believes young players such as Ashley Westwood, Jack Grealish and Adam Traoré can be tutored into becoming as influential at Villa as his proteges such as Samuel Umtiti, Alexandre Lacazette and Nabil Fékir have become at Lyon. If he can identify an experienced player to exert the influence that his most inspired recruit, Steed Malbranque, did for him at Stade Gerland, then so much the better.

It will be a blow to Garde if he has to do the job without some of the tools that helped him succeed at Lyon, namely Bruno Génésio and Gérald Baticle, the coaches who led the training sessions Garde oversaw at the club. Lyon have been refusing to release the pair from their contracts. Villa’s statement confirming Garde as manager did not make mention of the backroom staff.

“When you work with him, he’s straightforward and honest,” said Baticle of Garde in 2012. “He is structured, well-organised and thoughtful in terms of how he designs sessions, manages things and, above all, in his discussions with players. He has a knack for always knowing the right thing to say to them. He rarely gets it wrong.”

“He is humble and has a lot of knowledge,” added Joël Bats, Lyon’s goalkeeping coach under Garde. “When you have those two qualities you are capable of rallying everyone around you and getting them to buy into what you’re doing and get stronger.”
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 03, 2015, 04:56:08 PM
Good little piece that TV
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 03, 2015, 05:02:44 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on November 03, 2015, 02:20:47 PM
If we stick with this guy (irrespective what happens this seaon - if we go down it will largely not be his fault), we may reverse the horrible trend of the last 5 years. If this is another short term option, we will get everything we deserve (and are getting what we deserve).
... although some were saying this when Dim Tim came in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 03, 2015, 05:05:42 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on November 03, 2015, 04:40:04 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on November 03, 2015, 04:17:43 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on November 03, 2015, 04:13:56 PM
Duverne has quit Metz and joined Villa according to Twitter.

Nice.

Nancy ;)

UTV
The Doc
"Come on you Lyon"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on November 03, 2015, 05:06:32 PM
 Nice Articles I want to read French Journalist report not stilly ex professional. I wonder what the legends like Dennis Mortimer, Brian Little, Graham Taylor, Big Ron, Ron Saunders think ;) Let hope Remi will do for Aston Villa what Arsene Done for Arsenal. We need big changes, Fitness coach is great start as it will rattle those players who are not in shape. We need to create an new identity and stick with it. Our current identity is not good enough. I think if we are relegated and made lot of improvement, we should stick to the plan.
 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 03, 2015, 05:08:47 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 03, 2015, 04:56:08 PM
Good little piece that TV
I don't think TV wrote it :-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 03, 2015, 05:22:23 PM
If Duverne's back, some of those half-arsed fuckers are in for a shock
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 03, 2015, 05:24:01 PM
I can hear Gabby shaking from here at the prospect of Duverne. Great news and an experienced head in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on November 03, 2015, 05:26:30 PM
Love it :) I want Duverne to be up their with best Drill Sargent and make the players tough and fit like those Navy Seals ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wince on November 03, 2015, 05:27:33 PM
Quote from: andyh on November 03, 2015, 04:39:43 PM
Quote from: wince on November 03, 2015, 04:22:36 PM
.......Garde has my full backing and to be blunt, as shit as we are, we are already gone anyway so lets start playing without fear!

We ain't gone yet !!!!!

I know and I hope not but the way we play indicates that the team are nervous and playing with a lot of fear. If we accept we are gone, we take the pressure off, try new approaches and if the worst happens, it happens, we reform and we fight our way back. Dont want us to drop but if we do, well, it does. We just need to give Garde the time to make changes and adapt this feckless lot into a team that are drilled and are competitive. I am hopeful that there are only one or two changes needed anyway. I just hope we have a gaffer who we can get behind and trust no matter what and hope the players bust a gut for the team. I would rather go out fighting playing good football than to spend year after year with the likes of pulis or ateallthepies coming in as short term effect managers....Pundits, bookmakers and neutrals have written us off so we have nothing to lose. Messr Garde, it is over to you now!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 03, 2015, 05:32:22 PM
Too many players have made a lot of money off Villa for fuck all return, time to get some value back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 03, 2015, 05:36:37 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 03, 2015, 04:51:08 PM
I think getting a fitness coach in who will actually get the players to work hard is very sensible. It should also be symbolic of the extra work they need to put into the rest of their game as well.

I don't think Roy Keane was very impressed with our lot in training.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on November 03, 2015, 05:37:51 PM
Let's have a couple of Wenger's players too. Campbell?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on November 03, 2015, 05:55:04 PM
Quote from: Mister E on November 03, 2015, 05:02:44 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on November 03, 2015, 02:20:47 PM
If we stick with this guy (irrespective what happens this seaon - if we go down it will largely not be his fault), we may reverse the horrible trend of the last 5 years. If this is another short term option, we will get everything we deserve (and are getting what we deserve).
... although some were saying this when Dim Tim came in.

Precisely. It was a knee jerk appointment, and we got what we deserved.

I was to be clear nervous about Remi but having read and heard a lot in the past 24 hours, including some really good comments on here, I see it more clearly now. This feels very different - progression at last. Thats why he needs time and why we need to give it to him irrespective short term results. If we go down with a fight, playing better football, then for gods sake lets back him to get us back up and keep building.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 03, 2015, 06:18:47 PM
And, most importantly, if we need to change again future then stick with a new man of a similar style.  It is the flip flopping that kills us.

By the way, both Woodhall and Walnuts owe me a nice bottle of wine based on the appointment I believe!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 03, 2015, 07:30:26 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on November 03, 2015, 06:18:47 PM
And, most importantly, if we need to change again future then stick with a new man of a similar style.  It is the flip flopping that kills us.

By the way, both Woodhall and Walnuts owe me a nice bottle of wine based on the appointment I believe!

Yep passing, attacking football is the way forward. Whatever happens this is the course we need to pursue.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on November 03, 2015, 07:48:08 PM
if we go down,as the saying goes,

ill eat hay with a horse

it wont happen cos we are AVFC
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on November 03, 2015, 08:15:08 PM
Impressive interview on the OS
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 03, 2015, 08:20:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 03, 2015, 07:30:26 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on November 03, 2015, 06:18:47 PM
And, most importantly, if we need to change again future then stick with a new man of a similar style.  It is the flip flopping that kills us.

By the way, both Woodhall and Walnuts owe me a nice bottle of wine based on the appointment I believe!

Yep passing, attacking football is the way forward. Whatever happens this is the course we need to pursue.

Without a doubt. I reference it in my latest piece for the fanzine. The reason Swansea and Southampton went past us is because of a consistent recruitment plan on the playing and managerial side. We have wobbled more than a Weeble.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 03, 2015, 08:25:08 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on November 03, 2015, 08:15:08 PM
Impressive interview on the OS

I thought so too. Loved the comments about language. He fully gets it for both sides.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on November 03, 2015, 08:27:59 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on November 03, 2015, 08:20:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 03, 2015, 07:30:26 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on November 03, 2015, 06:18:47 PM
And, most importantly, if we need to change again future then stick with a new man of a similar style.  It is the flip flopping that kills us.

By the way, both Woodhall and Walnuts owe me a nice bottle of wine based on the appointment I believe!

Yep passing, attacking football is the way forward. Whatever happens this is the course we need to pursue.

Without a doubt. I reference it in my latest piece for the fanzine. The reason Swansea and Southampton went past us is because of a consistent recruitment plan on the playing and managerial side. We have wobbled more than a Weeble.
true, but weebles wobble but they don't fall down!!!
UTV
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on November 03, 2015, 08:30:12 PM
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 03, 2015, 08:33:07 PM
Loved his first interview.
Very impressed with his comments about the players, they are all equal and he is not here to make things easy for the French guys,

He seems thoughtful and considered.

Again, the very best of luck Remi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gabbythelegend on November 03, 2015, 08:40:30 PM
Sorry if its already been mentioned, but does he remind anyone else of Gary Speed? One of my favourite non-Villa players. RIP Gary.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on November 03, 2015, 08:41:06 PM
No.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ldavfc4eva on November 03, 2015, 08:45:53 PM
Speaks very well in the interview and I get a good vibe from him, I like the fact he says all the players need to speak English in the dressing room not French or whatever.

If there were/are any cliques then everyone speaking the same language will help to dissuade that from happening.

Welcome Remi I'm sure you will do your best by Us- I just hope it's enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 03, 2015, 09:02:54 PM
Good interview. Very pragmatic fella.  Whatever happens this season we should stick by him and give him 3/4 seasons to rebuild the team into a competitive PL outfit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on November 03, 2015, 09:03:07 PM
Really impressive interview.

Fingers firmly crossed now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Taylor on November 03, 2015, 09:03:20 PM
I like Remi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on November 03, 2015, 09:10:38 PM
It's refreshing and relieving to hear an intelligent club representative. I agree, he's got to be given at least a second year even if we're relegated. His appointment is the club's best decision in a long time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on November 03, 2015, 09:15:44 PM
Quote from: Taylor on November 03, 2015, 09:03:20 PM
I like Remi.
I like him too
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 03, 2015, 09:17:59 PM
Yes he seems ok
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 03, 2015, 09:19:54 PM
I like him aussi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 03, 2015, 09:20:07 PM
Good interview. He speaks better English than me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on November 03, 2015, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 03, 2015, 09:19:54 PM
I like him aussi.

No, he's French not Australian.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on November 03, 2015, 09:25:47 PM
I loved it when he said that the English-speaking players will need to make an effort by speaking slowly. See, it works both ways Micah you negative twat!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on November 03, 2015, 09:35:05 PM
It's interesting that he's watched most of our games this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 03, 2015, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 03, 2015, 09:35:05 PM
It's interesting that he's watched most of our games this season.

Masochist.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on November 03, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 03, 2015, 09:35:05 PM
It's interesting that he's watched most of our games this season.

The poor sod.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 03, 2015, 09:36:59 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 03, 2015, 09:35:05 PM
It's interesting that he's watched most of our games this season.

Have you seen French T.V ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on November 03, 2015, 09:39:41 PM
Good interview.  Came across really well and his English is very good (easier to understand than Lambert anyway!).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 03, 2015, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 03, 2015, 09:35:05 PM
It's interesting that he's watched most of our games this season.
So me and Remi have loads in common. Suave sophisticated intelligent blokes who have been watching the Villa all season!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on November 03, 2015, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on November 03, 2015, 09:36:59 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 03, 2015, 09:35:05 PM
It's interesting that he's watched most of our games this season.

Have you seen French T.V ?
g
Too right! I don't know which I'd choose: a night watching French TV or video reviews of our past few seasons.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 03, 2015, 09:47:32 PM
Not sure where he's getting the unlucky line from unless he's been watching the Leicester game on play back 100 times.

West Brom- deserved defeat.
Liverpool- deserved defeat.
Stoke- Probably should've been a draw but we had one shot on target.
Chelsea- Not too bad but this is the worst Chelsea team in ages.
Swansea- Draw again.

So really since August I can't think of a game bar Leicester we should've won. Hopefully he's a lot more forceful on the players behind closed days as we don't want them bleating the unlucky mantra. They need to be told this is nowhere near good enough for a club of our standing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hopadop on November 03, 2015, 09:51:26 PM
Once again and finally we've got a manager (slightly) older than me. Welcome mon vieux.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 03, 2015, 10:03:26 PM
I like him already.
He is not a dour Scot
He is not an arrogant Cockney Barrow boy.

Given time I think this could be an astute move
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 10:07:27 PM
He spoke more sense in that 3 minute YouTube clip than Sherwood did in the last 6 weeks. He's going to be such a welcome change.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on November 03, 2015, 10:11:56 PM
Looked very cool and considered.  Reassuring.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 03, 2015, 10:21:53 PM
Quote from: olaftab on November 03, 2015, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 03, 2015, 09:35:05 PM
It's interesting that he's watched most of our games this season.
So me and Remi have loads in common. Suave sophisticated intelligent blokes who have been watching the Villa all season!

He's bilingual like you as well Aftab.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 10:32:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 10:07:27 PM
He spoke more sense in that 3 minute YouTube clip than Sherwood did in the last 6 weeks. He's going to be such a welcome change.

I think it's exactly that, that's going to give him a chance of bringing the squad together  and giving us a chance.

Looking back on what's happened since Leicester, before which we'd been OKish without looking great I think Sherwood lost half of the dressing room that night.

My (purely uneducated) guess is that he went in and started tearing a strip off the team for losing a game that they should have won. When 1 or 2 of the more tactically astute players (the imports) point out that he's talking out of his arse and that it was his substitutions that dropped them in it, toys got thrown out of the pram.

Sherwood's means of dealing with this insubordination is to pretty much ostracise the whole group and the dirty war starts, including the French speakers forming their own clique as they're pretty much herded together, along with the whole "I didn't sign them, nothing to do with me gov." defence.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 03, 2015, 10:42:15 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 10:32:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 10:07:27 PM
He spoke more sense in that 3 minute YouTube clip than Sherwood did in the last 6 weeks. He's going to be such a welcome change.

I think it's exactly that, that's going to give him a chance of bringing the squad together  and giving us a chance.

Looking back on what's happened since Leicester, before which we'd been OKish without looking great I think Sherwood lost half of the dressing room that night.

My (purely uneducated) guess is that he went in and started tearing a strip off the team for losing a game that they should have won. When 1 or 2 of the more tactically astute players (the imports) point out that he's talking out of his arse and that it was his substitutions that dropped them in it, toys got thrown out of the pram.

Sherwood's means of dealing with this insubordination is to pretty much ostracise the whole group and the dirty war starts, including the French speakers forming their own clique as they're pretty much herded together, along with the whole "I didn't sign them, nothing to do with me gov." defence.

The fact that Sherwood never once publicly took his share of the blame for any mistakes would presumably have lost him respect from the players.

Obviously his comments where he suggested the signings wouldn't have been his choice wouldn't have helped unite the dressing room.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on November 03, 2015, 10:43:57 PM
Yep, have to agree, comes over as a thinker and very professional. Just what we need. Hope that,we the fans back him and keep patient. That is key.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 03, 2015, 10:45:43 PM
Quote from: Bad English on November 03, 2015, 09:25:47 PM
I loved it when he said that the English-speaking players will need to make an effort by speaking slowly. See, it works both ways Micah you negative twat!

Yup. As I mentioned earlier, he gets the language issue. One of the first things I learned over here was "Fale mais devagar, caralho" which roughly translates as "Speak slower, fuckface".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on November 03, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
What a load of tripe.  More speculation there than the worst red tops

Edit re the post Leicester dressing room post
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 03, 2015, 10:57:29 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 03, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
What a load of tripe.  More speculation there than the worst red tops

Edit re the post Leicester dressing room post


Well it is an internet fan forum.What did you expect?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 03, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
What a load of tripe.  More speculation there than the worst red tops

Edit re the post Leicester dressing room post
Thanks for your considered and constructive input.

There was a reason why it was prefaced with  (purely uneducated) guess.

If you'd like to offer a counter explanation as to a possible course of events where we went from doing sort of OK to a split dressing room, which Richards has as good as admitted is the case, with Leicester as the obvious fulcrum point, then feel free.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on November 03, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
That was tim's inexperience writ large. He thought he was being 'different' and 'calling a spade a spade' and all that bollocks, but there's a reason the best managers take all the pelters when their teams get done over and keep their dirty laundry under wraps.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 11:02:21 PM
Quote from: themossman on November 03, 2015, 11:01:05 PM
That was tim's inexperience writ large. He thought he was being 'different' and 'calling a spade a spade' and all that bollocks, but there's a reason the best managers take all the pelters when their teams get done over and keep their dirty laundry under wraps.
Even Lambert, McLeish and Houllier managed that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 03, 2015, 11:04:24 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 03, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
What a load of tripe.  More speculation there than the worst red tops

Edit re the post Leicester dressing room post

The 'purely uneducated guess' bit pass you by then?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villadelph on November 03, 2015, 11:31:20 PM
Quote from: olaftab on November 03, 2015, 09:02:54 PM
Good interview. Very pragmatic fella.  Whatever happens this season we should stick by him and give him 3/4 seasons to rebuild the team into a competitive PL outfit.

Don't jinx it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on November 03, 2015, 11:41:28 PM
With Robert Duverne likely to be back, hopefully he will have more success in improving the fitness of our squad than he did 5 years.  This teams fitness levels are appalling for a premier league club.  Their work off the ball is lazy and our sloppiness in conceding stupid goals is partially down to that too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on November 03, 2015, 11:46:49 PM
What an intelligent and thoughtful sounding chap. I shall look forward to hearing him more often.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 03, 2015, 11:48:10 PM
Lowest ground covered in the league. Not acceptable in any way.

Interesting interview with Gary Mac in 2011 about Duverne being excellent for forwards and their movement.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on November 03, 2015, 11:52:24 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 03, 2015, 11:48:10 PM
Lowest ground covered in the league. Not acceptable in any way.

Interesting interview with Gary Mac in 2011 about Duverne being excellent for forwards and their movement.
Yet we have one of the largest pitches don't we?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 03, 2015, 11:54:16 PM
I thought they were all similar now size wise. Either way, we need to put more of a shift in clearly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 03, 2015, 11:46:49 PM
What an intelligent and thoughtful sounding chap. I shall look forward to hearing him more often.

I felt calm after listening to him. I watched the full interview on AVTV which is about 11 minutes. What a massive difference to Sherwood, and he clearly has a really close relationship with Houllier as well as Wenger.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 04, 2015, 12:27:39 AM
I would like to watch that but I am not subscribing to do so.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frank on November 04, 2015, 12:57:54 AM
I felt very encouraged after watching the interview. He comes across as intelligent, level-headed and realistic, with none of the brashness of Tim Sherwood or meaningless drivel of Paul Lambert. Good luck to him!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on November 04, 2015, 02:13:54 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 03, 2015, 11:46:49 PM
What an intelligent and thoughtful sounding chap. I shall look forward to hearing him more often.

I felt calm after listening to him. I watched the full interview on AVTV which is about 11 minutes. What a massive difference to Sherwood, and he clearly has a really close relationship with Houllier as well as Wenger.

Even on the clip he expressed a clear idea of what playing and managing in England requires. I reckon he intends to use his experience watching Wenger build a successful team at Arsenal as his model.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 04, 2015, 03:36:26 AM
I can very much see how Sherwood's attitude would have created divisions in the dressing room. And certainly comments indicating that he didn't want certain players wouldn't have helped. It was therefore massively encouraging for Garde to preach unity, preach team and immediately eliminate a need to accommodate the French players. That they are no different to any other foreign nationality, would need to learn the language and use only English in the dressing room. But also that the English players need to help them feel included. It won't happen overnight but it is exactly the correct approach.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 04, 2015, 05:46:21 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on November 03, 2015, 04:50:03 PM
I really hope that it works out favourably, it would be fantastic for progressive thinking to succeed for once at the Villa, but there is no denying that we are in a hole but let's hope that we have finally stopped digging.
Fully agree, when in a hole throw away the shovel and look for a ladder - we have done that now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: jwarry on November 04, 2015, 06:43:29 AM
Finally found some time to watch the interview. Fuck me! I honestly can't remember the last time I heard a Villa manager speak like that except maybe Sir Brian. I am actually getting excited.  Why oh why didn't they get this bloke in pre season?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 04, 2015, 07:13:33 AM
Quote from: jwarry on November 04, 2015, 06:43:29 AM
Finally found some time to watch the interview. Fuck me! I honestly can't remember the last time I heard a Villa manager speak like that except maybe Sir Brian. I am actually getting excited.  Why oh why didn't they get this bloke in pre season?

I understood more of what he was talking about than all the guff that was mumbled out by McLeish and Lambert and more intelligent than the Fryisms of Sherwood. Very positive and at last a manager who can converse in English.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on November 04, 2015, 07:15:37 AM
Remi sounds like the real deal, fantastic interview.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 04, 2015, 07:39:47 AM
Excellent spoken English.I can understand him perfectly.Seems to tick all of the boxes so let's hope he can sort us out in a low key considered way.We may and I stress may have found our saviour.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 04, 2015, 07:42:25 AM
we have a new manager now, hopefully a good one and we can move on and make some progress

I dont see the need to keep bashing Sherwood all the time comparing him with Remi they are two different characters two different manager styles

just remember if it wasn't for Sherwood we would be a championship team now, and anyone thinking different is re writing history
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: robbo1874 on November 04, 2015, 07:45:17 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 03, 2015, 11:46:49 PM
What an intelligent and thoughtful sounding chap. I shall look forward to hearing him more often.

I felt calm after listening to him. I watched the full interview on AVTV which is about 11 minutes. What a massive difference to Sherwood, and he clearly has a really close relationship with Houllier as well as Wenger.
im as happy as I can be with his appointment. I know very little about the bloke really. The thing that concerns me is I've read a few articles in the Graun that reference his close ties to houllier and Wenger, which is fine. But the one I read today, described Wenger as his mentor. I know you should live for the day and all that, but can't help but think that if he keeps us up this season and goes on to have a few top 6 finishes, then he'll be off to arsenal when Wenger calls it quits. Lots of ifs, I know, but happened with Taylor getting the england job and when we develop good players they inevitably fuck off to bigger clubs. I still reckon randy needs to sell up to someone with deep pockets for us to ever be challenging at the top.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 04, 2015, 07:49:23 AM
Quote from: robbo1874 on November 04, 2015, 07:45:17 AM
But the one I read today, described Wenger as his mentor. I know you should live for the day and all that, but can't help but think that if he keeps us up this season and goes on to have a few top 6 finishes, then he'll be off to arsenal when Wenger calls it quits. Lots of ifs, I know, but happened with Taylor getting the england job and when we develop good players they inevitably fuck off to bigger clubs

Absolutely fine by me. Best of luck to him at Arsenal if he manages that with us.

Remember when we were all panicking that Lambert was going to be such a success that Dortmund were bound to try and steal him from us when Klopp left?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 04, 2015, 07:51:05 AM
Quote from: john e on November 04, 2015, 07:42:25 AM
I dont see the need to keep bashing Sherwood all the time comparing him with Remi they are two different characters two different manager styles

People still bash Lambert. People still bash Houllier. People still bash O'Neill.

Given that he was still our manager ten days ago, it's hardly surprising that people haven't forgotten all about him just yet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 04, 2015, 07:55:23 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 07:51:05 AM
Quote from: john e on November 04, 2015, 07:42:25 AM
I dont see the need to keep bashing Sherwood all the time comparing him with Remi they are two different characters two different manager styles

People still bash Lambert. People still bash Houllier. People still bash O'Neill.

Given that he was still our manager ten days ago, it's hardly surprising that people haven't forgotten all about him just yet.

maybe we should remember then, that without Sherwood there would probably be no Garde, as I doubt he would have come to a championship club
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: robbo1874 on November 04, 2015, 07:57:59 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 07:49:23 AM
Quote from: robbo1874 on November 04, 2015, 07:45:17 AM
But the one I read today, described Wenger as his mentor. I know you should live for the day and all that, but can't help but think that if he keeps us up this season and goes on to have a few top 6 finishes, then he'll be off to arsenal when Wenger calls it quits. Lots of ifs, I know, but happened with Taylor getting the england job and when we develop good players they inevitably fuck off to bigger clubs

Absolutely fine by me. Best of luck to him at Arsenal if he manages that with us.

Remember when we were all panicking that Lambert was going to be such a success that Dortmund were bound to try and steal him from us when Klopp left?
i do remember Dave, that's why I inserted plenty of caveats. What a joke those predictions turned out to be! Either way he'll either not work out, or will be successful and leave. We'll never be challengers until we get a backer with deep pockets who is able to retain a decent manager to have a proper crack. It's just reality unfortunately. Sorry for the negativity, it just seems the way of the premier league.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 04, 2015, 07:58:00 AM
Quote from: john e on November 04, 2015, 07:55:23 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 07:51:05 AM
Quote from: john e on November 04, 2015, 07:42:25 AM
I dont see the need to keep bashing Sherwood all the time comparing him with Remi they are two different characters two different manager styles

People still bash Lambert. People still bash Houllier. People still bash O'Neill.

Given that he was still our manager ten days ago, it's hardly surprising that people haven't forgotten all about him just yet.

maybe we should remember then, that without Sherwood there would probably be no Garde, as I doubt he would have come to a championship club

Or maybe had we just hired Garde at the time, then the last nine months would probably have been better than they have been.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on November 04, 2015, 08:02:24 AM
Time to look forward now , forget love the crap that's gone on over the last 5 years and get behind Remi, fuck me listening to the full interview made me want to fight for the club we ALL love and I'm sure the players will feel that to!
Let's fight like Lions all together !
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 04, 2015, 08:04:19 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 07:58:00 AM
Quote from: john e on November 04, 2015, 07:55:23 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 07:51:05 AM
Quote from: john e on November 04, 2015, 07:42:25 AM
I dont see the need to keep bashing Sherwood all the time comparing him with Remi they are two different characters two different manager styles

People still bash Lambert. People still bash Houllier. People still bash O'Neill.

Given that he was still our manager ten days ago, it's hardly surprising that people haven't forgotten all about him just yet.

maybe we should remember then, that without Sherwood there would probably be no Garde, as I doubt he would have come to a championship club

Or maybe had we just hired Garde at the time, then the last nine months would probably have been better than they have been.

maybe,
 but as Dave W said 'Hindsight utd champions since 1888'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 08:06:35 AM
Quote from: robbo1874 on November 04, 2015, 07:45:17 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 03, 2015, 11:46:49 PM
What an intelligent and thoughtful sounding chap. I shall look forward to hearing him more often.

I felt calm after listening to him. I watched the full interview on AVTV which is about 11 minutes. What a massive difference to Sherwood, and he clearly has a really close relationship with Houllier as well as Wenger.
im as happy as I can be with his appointment. I know very little about the bloke really. The thing that concerns me is I've read a few articles in the Graun that reference his close ties to houllier and Wenger, which is fine. But the one I read today, described Wenger as his mentor. I know you should live for the day and all that, but can't help but think that if he keeps us up this season and goes on to have a few top 6 finishes, then he'll be off to arsenal when Wenger calls it quits. Lots of ifs, I know, but happened with Taylor getting the england job and when we develop good players they inevitably fuck off to bigger clubs. I still reckon randy needs to sell up to someone with deep pockets for us to ever be challenging at the top.

I understand the sentiment robbo, but him getting poached by that London lot is a dream scenario right now, just as it was when people were worrying about Lambert flouncing off to Old Trafford or Anfield round about now when he joined from Norwich.

To be challenging at the very top will take a sovereign wealth fund these days, and most of those are too busy either shitting bricks about the oil price or throwing money at various sides in Iraq and Syria to be bothered about buying a football club.

To get in amongst the chasing pack with Southampton, Everton and company, Randy's finances, if managed properly, are more than adequate.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: robbo1874 on November 04, 2015, 08:31:19 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 08:06:35 AM
Quote from: robbo1874 on November 04, 2015, 07:45:17 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2015, 11:59:55 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 03, 2015, 11:46:49 PM
What an intelligent and thoughtful sounding chap. I shall look forward to hearing him more often.

I felt calm after listening to him. I watched the full interview on AVTV which is about 11 minutes. What a massive difference to Sherwood, and he clearly has a really close relationship with Houllier as well as Wenger.
im as happy as I can be with his appointment. I know very little about the bloke really. The thing that concerns me is I've read a few articles in the Graun that reference his close ties to houllier and Wenger, which is fine. But the one I read today, described Wenger as his mentor. I know you should live for the day and all that, but can't help but think that if he keeps us up this season and goes on to have a few top 6 finishes, then he'll be off to arsenal when Wenger calls it quits. Lots of ifs, I know, but happened with Taylor getting the england job and when we develop good players they inevitably fuck off to bigger clubs. I still reckon randy needs to sell up to someone with deep pockets for us to ever be challenging at the top.

I understand the sentiment robbo, but him getting poached by that London lot is a dream scenario right now, just as it was when people were worrying about Lambert flouncing off to Old Trafford or Anfield round about now when he joined from Norwich.

To be challenging at the very top will take a sovereign wealth fund these days, and most of those are too busy either shitting bricks about the oil price or throwing money at various sides in Iraq and Syria to be bothered about buying a football club.

To get in amongst the chasing pack with Southampton, Everton and company, Randy's finances, if managed properly, are more than adequate.
fair points you make. But doesn't it make you think: what's the point, a bit?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 04, 2015, 08:35:05 AM
Sorry Rob but I think the days of deep pockets in football is going to become a thing of the past. There will always be large sums change hands but there will be irresistible moves for even the biggest clubs to become self financing as opposed to being the vanities of trillionaires.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
Can't believe how carried away people are getting about this appointment and one interview where he speaks reasonable English and makes some pretty straightforward sensible comments.

I desperately want him to be a success and hopefully he will be.  But really his CV offers little more than Garry Monks or Brendan Rogers (and in an inferior league) who people didn't want to touch with a barge-pole.  Let's hope he's the new Wenger, Klopp of Pep, but it's probably a bit premature to be creaming your crackers about this appointment right now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:45:51 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 03, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
What a load of tripe.  More speculation there than the worst red tops

Edit re the post Leicester dressing room post
Thanks for your considered and constructive input.

There was a reason why it was prefaced with  (purely uneducated) guess.

If you'd like to offer a counter explanation as to a possible course of events where we went from doing sort of OK to a split dressing room, which Richards has as good as admitted is the case, with Leicester as the obvious fulcrum point, then feel free.

Why would I?  You've just completely made up a bullshit hypothetical scenario.  What's the point of that?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 04, 2015, 08:49:20 AM
Fuck Sherwood, Lambert et al. New start needed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 08:51:02 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:45:51 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 03, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
What a load of tripe.  More speculation there than the worst red tops

Edit re the post Leicester dressing room post
Thanks for your considered and constructive input.

There was a reason why it was prefaced with  (purely uneducated) guess.

If you'd like to offer a counter explanation as to a possible course of events where we went from doing sort of OK to a split dressing room, which Richards has as good as admitted is the case, with Leicester as the obvious fulcrum point, then feel free.

Why would I?  You've just completely made up a bullshit hypothetical scenario.  What's the point of that?

A bit of fun debate pontificating about what's gone on,(because something definitely has.)

Why you then need to get you knickers in a twist about something that was clearly marked as nothing other than that is a bit of a mystery.

Still look on the bright side. At least it might have distracted people from creaming their pants over the appointment of our new manager.

Edit:
I've just checked and apparently the correct technical term is "creaming their crackers."

Sounds a bit cheesy to me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:54:16 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 08:51:02 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:45:51 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 03, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
What a load of tripe.  More speculation there than the worst red tops

Edit re the post Leicester dressing room post
Thanks for your considered and constructive input.

There was a reason why it was prefaced with  (purely uneducated) guess.

If you'd like to offer a counter explanation as to a possible course of events where we went from doing sort of OK to a split dressing room, which Richards has as good as admitted is the case, with Leicester as the obvious fulcrum point, then feel free.

Why would I?  You've just completely made up a bullshit hypothetical scenario.  What's the point of that?

A bit of fun debate pontificating about what's gone on,(because something definitely has.)

Why you then need to get you knickers in a twist about something that was clearly marked as nothing other than that is a bit of a mystery.

Still look on the bright side. At least it might have distracted people from creaming their pants over the appointment of our new manager.

OK.  I just think Sherwood has taken enough stick based on factual matters that are there for all to see.  Completely making stuff up to give him a further beating just seems a bit unnecessary to me. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 04, 2015, 08:54:28 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
Can't believe how carried away people are getting about this appointment and one interview where he speaks reasonable English and makes some pretty straightforward sensible comments.

I desperately want him to be a success and hopefully he will be.  But really his CV offers little more than Garry Monks or Brendan Rogers (and in an inferior league) who people didn't want to touch with a barge-pole.  Let's hope he's the new Wenger, Klopp of Pep, but it's probably a bit premature to be creaming your crackers about this appointment right now.

Don't worry the honeymoon period will be short lived
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 04, 2015, 08:56:20 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
I desperately want him to be a success and hopefully he will be.  But really his CV offers little more than Garry Monks or Brendan Rogers

How do you work that out then?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 08:56:20 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
I desperately want him to be a success and hopefully he will be.  But really his CV offers little more than Garry Monks or Brendan Rogers

How do you work that out then?

he's had three years of moderate success in a French League.

Rogers and Monk have had periods of moderate success in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 09:05:21 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:54:16 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 08:51:02 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:45:51 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 03, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
What a load of tripe.  More speculation there than the worst red tops

Edit re the post Leicester dressing room post
Thanks for your considered and constructive input.

There was a reason why it was prefaced with  (purely uneducated) guess.

If you'd like to offer a counter explanation as to a possible course of events where we went from doing sort of OK to a split dressing room, which Richards has as good as admitted is the case, with Leicester as the obvious fulcrum point, then feel free.

Why would I?  You've just completely made up a bullshit hypothetical scenario.  What's the point of that?

A bit of fun debate pontificating about what's gone on,(because something definitely has.)

Why you then need to get you knickers in a twist about something that was clearly marked as nothing other than that is a bit of a mystery.

Still look on the bright side. At least it might have distracted people from creaming their pants over the appointment of our new manager.

OK.  I just think Sherwood has taken enough stick based on factual matters that are there for all to see.  Completely making stuff up to give him a further beating just seems a bit unnecessary to me.

Given his levels of non-performance and disrespectful way he treated the club over his last 3-4 weeks with his interviews and press conferences, we could never stop beating him enough from my point of view.

My only hope for a possible return to Villa Park for him is that it's with a team he's had for more than 3-4 months.

With regards making stuff up, it was a hypothesis, something to be argued / debated, not taken as an assertion of fact.

Or should we really just believe that nothing happened in the dressing room to move from a team doing sort of OK but not great and looking like the new recruits were starting to get game time, to them all being ostracised as performances and results fell through the floor?

Of all the ifs, buts and maybes from Sherwood's brief reign, that's what I'd like to know more about.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 04, 2015, 09:10:03 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 09:05:21 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:54:16 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 08:51:02 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:45:51 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 03, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
What a load of tripe.  More speculation there than the worst red tops

Edit re the post Leicester dressing room post
Thanks for your considered and constructive input.

There was a reason why it was prefaced with  (purely uneducated) guess.

If you'd like to offer a counter explanation as to a possible course of events where we went from doing sort of OK to a split dressing room, which Richards has as good as admitted is the case, with Leicester as the obvious fulcrum point, then feel free.

Why would I?  You've just completely made up a bullshit hypothetical scenario.  What's the point of that?

A bit of fun debate pontificating about what's gone on,(because something definitely has.)

Why you then need to get you knickers in a twist about something that was clearly marked as nothing other than that is a bit of a mystery.

Still look on the bright side. At least it might have distracted people from creaming their pants over the appointment of our new manager.

OK.  I just think Sherwood has taken enough stick based on factual matters that are there for all to see.  Completely making stuff up to give him a further beating just seems a bit unnecessary to me.

Given his levels of non-performance and disrespectful way he treated the club over his last 3-4 weeks with his interviews and press conferences, we could never stop beating him enough from my point of view.

My only hope for a possible return to Villa Park for him is that it's with a team he's had for more than 3-4 months.

With regards making stuff up, it was a hypothesis, something to be argued / debated, not taken as an assertion of fact.

Or should we really just believe that nothing happened in the dressing room to move from a team doing sort of OK but not great and looking like the new recruits were starting to get game time, to them all being ostracised as performances and results fell through the floor?

Of all the ifs, buts and maybes from Sherwood's brief reign, that's what I'd like to know more about.

the only ifs and buts you need worry about is he kept us in the premier league, when most on here thought all hope had gone, and we were nailed on for the drop
if you don't think he can never be beaten enough after he saved our bacon last term then you best crack on with that,

I'm glad hes gone, i'm glad we have Garde, but I wont forget as twatish as he ended up we owe Sherwood
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: footyskillz on November 04, 2015, 09:12:42 AM
Harry Redknapp on talksport just recently didn't seem to know too much on garde. He seemed to think he was a scout at arsenal and was asking ray parlour. I don't know if he was a scout but redknapp went on to say it was a surprise. Redknapp also commented that remi garde looked a serious guy and he's no klopp with a smile on his face so wont get the club buzzing like him. Think that was a clueless comment
Hitzelsberger on talk sport now... He LL talk more sense
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: robbo1874 on November 04, 2015, 09:13:05 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 04, 2015, 08:35:05 AM
Sorry Rob but I think the days of deep pockets in football is going to become a thing of the past. There will always be large sums change hands but there will be irresistible moves for even the biggest clubs to become self financing as opposed to being the vanities of trillionaires.
i hope you're right Brian on that score. But if so it means that the clubs with the biggest grounds, biggest commercial operations and biggest worldwide appeal will continue to dominate every bloody season. By that measure we'd be probably even further behind than we currently are though. On that metric, we'd be behind arsenal, city, Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle and probably (spit) Spurs when they get their new ground, to name but 7 clubs. Salary cap? Minimum no. Of British players? Top 8 then, best we can look forward to for the foreseeable future, barring a freak of finance? Bullshit isn't it? Why does anyone bother anymore?

Yes the odd trip to Wembley, the freak good run where you win a few games, spanking a top side away occasionally, but in the scheme of things it's a stitch up and you're just fodder for the industry if you buy a villa season ticket, or one for everton, Southampton, west ham, palace...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 09:15:19 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 08:56:20 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
I desperately want him to be a success and hopefully he will be.  But really his CV offers little more than Garry Monks or Brendan Rogers

How do you work that out then?

he's had three years of moderate success in a French League.

Rogers and Monk have had periods of moderate success in the Premier League.

Rodgers you could argue about, but with Monk you're having a laugh.
Monk - took over a stable club with a stable squad and kept them bobbing around midtable. Now in his second full year and with a squad that's becoming more his own, looks like he might be struggling a bit. (I hope not because he seems like a decent bloke, working for a well run club that plays pretty good football.)
Garde - took over a hitherto stable club that had had it's financial basis pulled from under it.  Kept the club up around the CL and Europa league places whilst turning the entire squad over and replacing just about anyone of saleable value with graduates from the academy and youth teams.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: footyskillz on November 04, 2015, 09:18:41 AM
The hitz is optimistic and heard an interview saying remi sounds like a nice guy. There are no easy games but hopefully garde will spend time on the training pitch getting tactics right.
Alan brazil says can only see two losses next two matches and there's not many players to change but the system played .
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on November 04, 2015, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: footyskillz on November 04, 2015, 09:18:41 AM
Alan Brazil says can only see two losses
For some inexpicable reason, I can only see the name of the 1980-1981 First Division Champions: Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jockey Randall on November 04, 2015, 09:25:20 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 08:56:20 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
I desperately want him to be a success and hopefully he will be.  But really his CV offers little more than Garry Monks or Brendan Rogers

How do you work that out then?

he's had three years of moderate success in a French League.

Rogers and Monk have had periods of moderate success in the Premier League.

I think that's a bit harsh on him. His record in Europe looks a lot better than either of those 2 as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on November 04, 2015, 09:31:26 AM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on November 04, 2015, 09:25:20 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 08:56:20 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
I desperately want him to be a success and hopefully he will be.  But really his CV offers little more than Garry Monks or Brendan Rogers

How do you work that out then?

he's had three years of moderate success in a French League.

Rogers and Monk have had periods of moderate success in the Premier League.

I think that's a bit harsh on him. His record in Europe looks a lot better than either of those 2 as well.

Rodgers had Suarez and a blank chequebook behind him at Liverpool and at Swansea both he and Monk had one of the best off the field set ups in football and a well managed transition into the role. Does that equip them as well as well as Remi for the job in hand?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 09:34:15 AM
Quote from: john e on November 04, 2015, 09:10:03 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 09:05:21 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:54:16 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 08:51:02 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:45:51 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 03, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
What a load of tripe.  More speculation there than the worst red tops

Edit re the post Leicester dressing room post
Thanks for your considered and constructive input.

There was a reason why it was prefaced with  (purely uneducated) guess.

If you'd like to offer a counter explanation as to a possible course of events where we went from doing sort of OK to a split dressing room, which Richards has as good as admitted is the case, with Leicester as the obvious fulcrum point, then feel free.

Why would I?  You've just completely made up a bullshit hypothetical scenario.  What's the point of that?

A bit of fun debate pontificating about what's gone on,(because something definitely has.)

Why you then need to get you knickers in a twist about something that was clearly marked as nothing other than that is a bit of a mystery.

Still look on the bright side. At least it might have distracted people from creaming their pants over the appointment of our new manager.

OK.  I just think Sherwood has taken enough stick based on factual matters that are there for all to see.  Completely making stuff up to give him a further beating just seems a bit unnecessary to me.

Given his levels of non-performance and disrespectful way he treated the club over his last 3-4 weeks with his interviews and press conferences, we could never stop beating him enough from my point of view.

My only hope for a possible return to Villa Park for him is that it's with a team he's had for more than 3-4 months.

With regards making stuff up, it was a hypothesis, something to be argued / debated, not taken as an assertion of fact.

Or should we really just believe that nothing happened in the dressing room to move from a team doing sort of OK but not great and looking like the new recruits were starting to get game time, to them all being ostracised as performances and results fell through the floor?

Of all the ifs, buts and maybes from Sherwood's brief reign, that's what I'd like to know more about.

the only ifs and buts you need worry about is he kept us in the premier league, when most on here thought all hope had gone, and we were nailed on for the drop
if you don't think he can never be beaten enough after he saved our bacon last term then you best crack on with that,

I'm glad hes gone, i'm glad we have Garde, but I wont forget as twatish as he ended up we owe Sherwood

The obvious counter argument there is that yes, he kept us up, but if he did it, then there must have been many others who could have, given what an absolute pigs ear he's made of everything else, and if he'd gone with a modicum of dignity I'd probably agree with you.

As it is, we owe him nothing. He took on a job, did that job and he was compensated for it. He's now put us in a position where we're a national joke on the pitch and that's before you get to tainting any goodwill with his self preservation bollocks from Leicester on.
I said at the time that he'd lost sight of the fact that the game's about the club and the players, not the manager but for him , as soon as it started going wrong he oscilated between "nothing to do with me gov" and "oh woe is poor little me, I couldn't buy the overpriced tat I wanted."

SGT on the other hand, we owe to this day, because he turned an entire disfunctional club around and saved us from God knows what.

Tim, you can file along with any of the other "relegation fire fighter" who can rabble rouse for a few months, but for God's sake don't ask them to think.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on November 04, 2015, 09:40:32 AM
Quote from: gabbythelegend on November 03, 2015, 08:40:30 PM
Sorry if its already been mentioned, but does he remind anyone else of Gary Speed? One of my favourite non-Villa players. RIP Gary.

no. And you've misspelt bellend in your name (not an insult to you in case of any doubt)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 09:48:04 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 09:15:19 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 08:56:20 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
I desperately want him to be a success and hopefully he will be.  But really his CV offers little more than Garry Monks or Brendan Rogers

How do you work that out then?

he's had three years of moderate success in a French League.

Rogers and Monk have had periods of moderate success in the Premier League.

Rodgers you could argue about, but with Monk you're having a laugh.
Monk - took over a stable club with a stable squad and kept them bobbing around midtable. Now in his second full year and with a squad that's becoming more his own, looks like he might be struggling a bit. (I hope not because he seems like a decent bloke, working for a well run club that plays pretty good football.)
Garde - took over a hitherto stable club that had had it's financial basis pulled from under it.  Kept the club up around the CL and Europa league places whilst turning the entire squad over and replacing just about anyone of saleable value with graduates from the academy and youth teams.

Yes you make a fair point.  But we've had so many false dawns I'm just a bit surprised at the levels of unconditional hope placed on a young and relatively untried manager.  Similar passion was shown by some for Solskjaer (who's prior success was of course in a poorer league still) who also had a fantastic youtube interview.  But that did't end so well in the PL.

Hopefully Garde will be a great success, but he is undoubtedly a gamble.  But maybe I'm just a bit more cautious given previous dashed hopes since Lerner joined.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 09:59:07 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 09:48:04 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 09:15:19 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 09:02:57 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 08:56:20 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
I desperately want him to be a success and hopefully he will be.  But really his CV offers little more than Garry Monks or Brendan Rogers

How do you work that out then?

he's had three years of moderate success in a French League.

Rogers and Monk have had periods of moderate success in the Premier League.

Rodgers you could argue about, but with Monk you're having a laugh.
Monk - took over a stable club with a stable squad and kept them bobbing around midtable. Now in his second full year and with a squad that's becoming more his own, looks like he might be struggling a bit. (I hope not because he seems like a decent bloke, working for a well run club that plays pretty good football.)
Garde - took over a hitherto stable club that had had it's financial basis pulled from under it.  Kept the club up around the CL and Europa league places whilst turning the entire squad over and replacing just about anyone of saleable value with graduates from the academy and youth teams.

Yes you make a fair point.  But we've had so many false dawns I'm just a bit surprised at the levels of unconditional hope placed on a young and relatively untried manager.  Similar passion was shown by some for Solskjær (who's prior success was of course in a poorer league still) who also had a fantastic youtube interview.  But that did't end so well in the PL.

Hopefully Garde will be a great success, but he is undoubtedly a gamble.  But maybe I'm just a bit more cautious given previous dashed hopes since Lerner joined. 

I think that's fair enough. Only we could have made such a mess of having a billionaire owner 9 years ago, or have written off £250M to be worse off than when we started.

On the flip side, if we're going to get out of this, it was always going to be with a coach of Garde's ilk and he does seem like a pretty good match in terms of what he brings coaching wise and where the strengths within the squad lie.

Right now I'd settle for him keeping us in touch by January and then let him bring in 2 or 3 players to have an immediate impact, which I'm guessing would be a centre forward, a goalkeeper and a left sided centre back. I genuinely think we're alright everywhere else, if they're set up and coached properly
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 04, 2015, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 09:34:15 AM
Quote from: john e on November 04, 2015, 09:10:03 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 09:05:21 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:54:16 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 08:51:02 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:45:51 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 03, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 03, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
What a load of tripe.  More speculation there than the worst red tops

Edit re the post Leicester dressing room post
Thanks for your considered and constructive input.

There was a reason why it was prefaced with  (purely uneducated) guess.

If you'd like to offer a counter explanation as to a possible course of events where we went from doing sort of OK to a split dressing room, which Richards has as good as admitted is the case, with Leicester as the obvious fulcrum point, then feel free.

Why would I?  You've just completely made up a bullshit hypothetical scenario.  What's the point of that?

A bit of fun debate pontificating about what's gone on,(because something definitely has.)

Why you then need to get you knickers in a twist about something that was clearly marked as nothing other than that is a bit of a mystery.

Still look on the bright side. At least it might have distracted people from creaming their pants over the appointment of our new manager.

OK.  I just think Sherwood has taken enough stick based on factual matters that are there for all to see.  Completely making stuff up to give him a further beating just seems a bit unnecessary to me.

Given his levels of non-performance and disrespectful way he treated the club over his last 3-4 weeks with his interviews and press conferences, we could never stop beating him enough from my point of view.

My only hope for a possible return to Villa Park for him is that it's with a team he's had for more than 3-4 months.

With regards making stuff up, it was a hypothesis, something to be argued / debated, not taken as an assertion of fact.

Or should we really just believe that nothing happened in the dressing room to move from a team doing sort of OK but not great and looking like the new recruits were starting to get game time, to them all being ostracised as performances and results fell through the floor?

Of all the ifs, buts and maybes from Sherwood's brief reign, that's what I'd like to know more about.

the only ifs and buts you need worry about is he kept us in the premier league, when most on here thought all hope had gone, and we were nailed on for the drop
if you don't think he can never be beaten enough after he saved our bacon last term then you best crack on with that,

I'm glad hes gone, i'm glad we have Garde, but I wont forget as twatish as he ended up we owe Sherwood

The obvious counter argument there is that yes, he kept us up, but if he did it, then there must have been many others who could have, given what an absolute pigs ear he's made of everything else, and if he'd gone with a modicum of dignity I'd probably agree with you.

As it is, we owe him nothing. He took on a job, did that job and he was compensated for it. He's now put us in a position where we're a national joke on the pitch and that's before you get to tainting any goodwill with his self preservation bollocks from Leicester on.
I said at the time that he'd lost sight of the fact that the game's about the club and the players, not the manager but for him , as soon as it started going wrong he oscilated between "nothing to do with me gov" and "oh woe is poor little me, I couldn't buy the overpriced tat I wanted."

SGT on the other hand, we owe to this day, because he turned an entire disfunctional club around and saved us from God knows what.

Tim, you can file along with any of the other "relegation fire fighter" who can rabble rouse for a few months, but for God's sake don't ask them to think.

if you go back and look at the state we were in at the time, look at the posts including your own about how bleak everything was, the absolute despairing shit hole we were camped in

and now you say there were probably 'many' others who could have got us out of it

I think I will leave it there as someone else has pointed out you are obviously someone who just makes stuff up as you go along to suit your own interests,
I'm not keen on debating things with people who just  brush the facts aside as if they never happened
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 04, 2015, 10:07:55 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 09:48:04 AM
Hopefully Garde will be a great success, but he is undoubtedly a gamble.

As has been said a few times there isn't any manager that we could have hired that wouldn't be a gamble of sorts.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 04, 2015, 10:12:33 AM
Butch is on Sky now with Gerry Francis. What a pair of freaks. Butch talking about what a professional outfit we are behind the scenes but saying we need to spend more money. Dunno what Francis is saying, every time the camera pans to him I think of Billy the Fish and start laughing.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 04, 2015, 10:15:41 AM
Quote from: Bad English on November 04, 2015, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: footyskillz on November 04, 2015, 09:18:41 AM
Alan Brazil says can only see two losses
For some inexpicable reason, I can only see the name of the 1980-1981 First Division Champions: Aston Villa.

*smirk*
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 04, 2015, 10:19:20 AM
Quote from: john e on November 04, 2015, 10:05:32 AM
and now you say there were probably 'many' others who could have got us out of it

The consensus immediately prior to Lambert getting the chop was the manager was the problem, that the players were good enough to be better than they were showing and that pretty much anybody would do a better job. Somebody new came in and took us from 18th to 17th. Which needed to be done, but let's not dress it up as some sort of miracle.

Quote from: john e on November 04, 2015, 10:05:32 AM
I think I will leave it there as someone else has pointed out you are obviously someone who just makes stuff up as you go along to suit your own interests

Less of that please John.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on November 04, 2015, 10:35:52 AM
See, I don't think your views are mutually exclusive. It's disingenuous to say anyone could have kept us up last season (or for that matter got us to the cup final). I think we needed a certain kind of manager, one who was very different from Lambert and could get an instant reaction from the players. For me Tim was as good as anyone around for that job. It's in the realms of the unknowable but I also suspect a better long term manager trying to address some of the bigger issues might have failed at the immediate task of keeping us in the league. It's also unfair to point at results like Southampton when we are already safe and focused on a cup final.

That all said, he was clearly not up the demands of a proper managerial role with all the complexities of squad management and transfers and I'm glad he's gone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 04, 2015, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: passport1 on November 04, 2015, 08:54:28 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 04, 2015, 08:41:23 AM
Can't believe how carried away people are getting about this appointment and one interview where he speaks reasonable English and makes some pretty straightforward sensible comments.

I desperately want him to be a success and hopefully he will be.  But really his CV offers little more than Garry Monks or Brendan Rogers (and in an inferior league) who people didn't want to touch with a barge-pole.  Let's hope he's the new Wenger, Klopp of Pep, but it's probably a bit premature to be creaming your crackers about this appointment right now.

Don't worry the honeymoon period will be short lived

That's the spirit!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Vegas on November 04, 2015, 10:43:16 AM
[quote author=Chico Hamilton III link=topic=54969.msg2951457#msg2951457 date=1446631953Dunno what Francis is saying, every time the camera pans to him I think of Billy the Fish and start laughing.
[/quote]

I had never spotted that before, but it's bloody genius. I'm laughing without being able to see him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 04, 2015, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: themossman on November 04, 2015, 10:35:52 AM
I think we needed a certain kind of manager, one who was very different from Lambert and could get an instant reaction from the players. For me Tim was as good as anyone around for that job. It's in the realms of the unknowable but I also suspect a better long term manager trying to address some of the bigger issues might have failed at the immediate task of keeping us in the league. It's also unfair to point at results like Southampton when we are already safe and focused on a cup final.

When we played Southampton we weren't safe from relegation. If the excuse is that our minds were on the cup final, then it's yet more evidence of bad management. They shouldn't have been when it was still possible for us to go down. And yes, another manager might not have got the win against Everton or the win against Spurs. But then they might have managed to not pick an awful team to surrender at home to Burnley or have been one of only three managers to be beaten by a John Carver side.

And if we needed a certain type of manager to get us clear from relegation and that person wasn't Remi Garde last season why is it Remi Garde now (not necessarily in your mind, you may think that it shouldn't be him now - but in the opinion of the people employing them both)?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 04, 2015, 10:50:10 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: themossman on November 04, 2015, 10:35:52 AM
I think we needed a certain kind of manager, one who was very different from Lambert and could get an instant reaction from the players. For me Tim was as good as anyone around for that job. It's in the realms of the unknowable but I also suspect a better long term manager trying to address some of the bigger issues might have failed at the immediate task of keeping us in the league. It's also unfair to point at results like Southampton when we are already safe and focused on a cup final.

When we played Southampton we weren't safe from relegation. If the excuse is that our minds were on the cup final, then it's yet more evidence of bad management. They shouldn't have been when it was still possible for us to go down. And yes, another manager might not have got the win against Everton or the win against Spurs. But then they might have managed to not pick an awful team to surrender at home to Burnley or have been one of only three managers to be beaten by a John Carver side.

And if we needed a certain type of manager to get us clear from relegation and that person wasn't Remi Garde last season why is it Remi Garde now (not necessarily in your mind, you may think that it shouldn't be him now - but in the opinion of the people employing them both)?

There's an argument that the Sherwood method did actually work - just get them fucking up for it, tell Benteke he's amazing, and play Grealish (his only genuinely excellent move) - but we still lost more games than we won, so it was a risk. The Sherwood method worked, but perhaps other methods could have too. The players were clearly good enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on November 04, 2015, 10:58:40 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: themossman on November 04, 2015, 10:35:52 AM
I think we needed a certain kind of manager, one who was very different from Lambert and could get an instant reaction from the players. For me Tim was as good as anyone around for that job. It's in the realms of the unknowable but I also suspect a better long term manager trying to address some of the bigger issues might have failed at the immediate task of keeping us in the league. It's also unfair to point at results like Southampton when we are already safe and focused on a cup final.

When we played Southampton we weren't safe from relegation. If the excuse is that our minds were on the cup final, then it's yet more evidence of bad management. They shouldn't have been when it was still possible for us to go down. And yes, another manager might not have got the win against Everton or the win against Spurs. But then they might have managed to not pick an awful team to surrender at home to Burnley or have been one of only three managers to be beaten by a John Carver side.

And if we needed a certain type of manager to get us clear from relegation and that person wasn't Remi Garde last season why is it Remi Garde now (not necessarily in your mind, you may think that it shouldn't be him now - but in the opinion of the people employing them both)?

That's splitting hairs a tad though. We were all but safe and survival was confirmed the same day. Which would explain if not excuse a collective sense of 'we've probably done enough' that would have been hard for a manager to deal with.

On the second point, my (possibly simplistic) reading of the situation is that a cerebral, progressive manager (Garde) trying to make large scale cultural changes to how we play and train may go backwards before he goes forwards by bumping up against established bad practices, e.g. the Houllier season. I still fear that may happen this season but hope to be proven wrong. In contrast, a cheeky, media friendly motivator like TS may have a better short term bounce but fail in the long term. Ideally TS would have been given a short term contract and booted out in the summer with a big thanks for everything, but obviously it couldn't happen like that.

Edit - also with the benefit of hindsight it's easy to understate the collective sense of doom that hung over Lambert's final days and the task the new guy had in terms of changing the mood. Hence the outpouring against the bitters.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 04, 2015, 11:01:08 AM
Garde is an arch-pragmatist, though. It's pragmatic to play attacking football, and always will be while it's three points for a win.
Title: Aston Villa fans on Twitter pleased with appointment of Robert Duverne as fitnes
Post by: Desi on November 04, 2015, 11:04:40 AM
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/11/04/aston-villa-fans-on-duverne/ (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/11/04/aston-villa-fans-on-duverne/)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 04, 2015, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: themossman on November 04, 2015, 10:58:40 AM
Quote from: Dave on November 04, 2015, 10:47:22 AM
Quote from: themossman on November 04, 2015, 10:35:52 AM
I think we needed a certain kind of manager, one who was very different from Lambert and could get an instant reaction from the players. For me Tim was as good as anyone around for that job. It's in the realms of the unknowable but I also suspect a better long term manager trying to address some of the bigger issues might have failed at the immediate task of keeping us in the league. It's also unfair to point at results like Southampton when we are already safe and focused on a cup final.

When we played Southampton we weren't safe from relegation. If the excuse is that our minds were on the cup final, then it's yet more evidence of bad management. They shouldn't have been when it was still possible for us to go down. And yes, another manager might not have got the win against Everton or the win against Spurs. But then they might have managed to not pick an awful team to surrender at home to Burnley or have been one of only three managers to be beaten by a John Carver side.

That's splitting hairs a tad though. We were all but safe and survival was confirmed the same day. Which would explain if not excuse a collective sense of 'we've probably done enough' that would have been hard for a manager to deal with.

I don't think that it is - if you look back at the 'Other Games' thread from that day of the Spurs vs Hull match, it's not exactly full of relaxed people who are comfortable that survival has been all-but-secured.

Anyway, rather than their minds being on the Cup Final, shouldn't they all have been busting a gut to make sure that they are selected for the Cup Final? Or at they very least the manager should be making that their motivation, rather than lazily slumping to two shit defeats. If we'd beaten Burnley we'd have banked another £1.2m prize money. That would have covered half the next load of manager compensation that we need to pay.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 11:55:01 AM
Quote from: john e on November 04, 2015, 10:05:32 AM

if you go back and look at the state we were in at the time,1  look at the posts including your own about how bleak everything was, the absolute despairing shit hole we were camped in

and now you say 2 there were probably 'many' others who could have got us out of it

I think I will leave it there as someone else has pointed out 3 you are obviously someone who just makes stuff up as you go along to suit your own interests,
I'm not keen on debating things with people who just  4  brush the facts aside as if they never happened

1. I hope you've taken the trouble to find a post of mine that says we were as good as doomed, otherwise, maybe you're making stuff up.

2 There might be something along those lines out there, I'm not going hunting, but my general line all the way through was if Lambert stayed we were down, get anyone half competent in and we'd be fine.

On the It's Sherwood thread on his appointment i said he'd do just enough to keep us up and we'd be wondering how long he'd got left by October or November.  That's not just making stuff up.

3 And as for the "how did he lose the dressing room?" musings, if you don't know the difference between hypothesis (albeit a little polemic in character) and bullshit maybe you can go and share a library with Silhilvilla.  He's still apparently looking up something from the last time he confused some words.

4. At what point have I denied that Sherwood kept us up.  I merely stated my personal opinion that any half competent manager could have achieved the same and any good he did he has more than undone with everything that's happened post Leicester.  On a personal level I wish him no ill.  On a professional level he deserves every ounce of criticism he's going to eventually get for what's happened to us this season.

And taken together points 1 and 3 could be construed to be accusing me of lying.  Can you for clarity's sake confirm that that wasn't your intention?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 04, 2015, 11:56:48 AM
Apologies if already posted, but a rarely intelligent article here from BBC Sport.  (Note to the Beeb, this is what transpires when you employ proper journalists, rather than lazy hacks like Phil McNulty and shrieking simpletons like Savage)...http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34699001 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34699001)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 04, 2015, 12:15:56 PM
Interesting article about 5 things Remi needs to do.

http://www.football365.com/news/remi-garde-an-aston-villa-to-do-list 

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 04, 2015, 12:26:42 PM
Quote from: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 04, 2015, 11:56:48 AM
Apologies if already posted, but a rarely intelligent article here from BBC Sport.  (Note to the Beeb, this is what transpires when you employ proper journalists, rather than lazy hacks like Phil McNulty and shrieking simpletons like Savage)...http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34699001 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34699001)

there have been quite a few articles now supporting the appointment or at least understanding the opportunity or logic behind it. Then look at the quality of journalist that wrote those versus the ones that have suggested it is a mistake or some massive unfathomable risk. I'll side with the former.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 04, 2015, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 04, 2015, 12:26:42 PM
Quote from: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 04, 2015, 11:56:48 AM
Apologies if already posted, but a rarely intelligent article here from BBC Sport.  (Note to the Beeb, this is what transpires when you employ proper journalists, rather than lazy hacks like Phil McNulty and shrieking simpletons like Savage)...http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34699001 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34699001)

there have been quite a few articles now supporting the appointment or at least understanding the opportunity or logic behind it. Then look at the quality of journalist that wrote those versus the ones that have suggested it is a mistake or some massive unfathomable risk. I'll side with the former.

Couldn't agree more.  You only need to look at the levels of research done by the writers in question; the ones who are in favour of this appointment have eloquently shown their working-out.  They patently know their subject and have bothered to do homework that extends beyond soaking up the banter on MOTD2.  It's measured, informed journalism, as opposed to hysterical click-bait.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 04, 2015, 12:51:22 PM
I was half listening to the Talkshite commentary on the Man City game last night and some  knobhead said 'goodness knows how many they will score against Villa on Sunday'. Cheap laughs, and an assertion they may well be true, but he who laughs last, laughs loudest. I am positive that with patience, things will get better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 04, 2015, 01:05:58 PM
The general media sensationalistic reporting does my head in

"Garde bans French in the dressing room" when he has said that all players need to have a common understandable language and as we are in England etc. He also alludes to "team" every time a reporter tries to steer him towards English vs French. Are they trying to cause a shit stir already
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 04, 2015, 01:09:49 PM
The media have picked up on the unnecessary comments from Micah Richards so are going to focus on the French/English thing until the next grammatical error appears on the club website.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 04, 2015, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on November 04, 2015, 01:05:58 PM
The general media sensationalistic reporting does my head in

"Garde bans French in the dressing room" when he has said that all players need to have a common understandable language and as we are in England etc. He also alludes to "team" every time a reporter tries to steer him towards English vs French. Are they trying to cause a shit stir already

I hope that from now on the manager and all players conduct TV interviews in Esperanto.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on November 04, 2015, 01:16:46 PM
I've just been looking at Remi Garde on Getty Images Sport.. after all the Gilets we were promised, at least we'll get some fashion on the touchline at least 

Adidas trainers with his blazer and jeans  8)

The all grey ensemble   8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on November 04, 2015, 01:17:18 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 04, 2015, 01:09:49 PM
The media have picked up on the unnecessary comments from Michah Richards so are going to focus on the French/English thing until the next grammatical error appears on the club website.

It's what they do, the cheeky scumbags.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 04, 2015, 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 04, 2015, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on November 04, 2015, 01:05:58 PM
The general media sensationalistic reporting does my head in

"Garde bans French in the dressing room" when he has said that all players need to have a common understandable language and as we are in England etc. He also alludes to "team" every time a reporter tries to steer him towards English vs French. Are they trying to cause a shit stir already

I hope that from now on the manager and all players conduct TV interviews in Esperanto.

Is that was Steve Mclarean learnt from his time in Holland ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 04, 2015, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on November 04, 2015, 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 04, 2015, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on November 04, 2015, 01:05:58 PM
The general media sensationalistic reporting does my head in

"Garde bans French in the dressing room" when he has said that all players need to have a common understandable language and as we are in England etc. He also alludes to "team" every time a reporter tries to steer him towards English vs French. Are they trying to cause a shit stir already

I hope that from now on the manager and all players conduct TV interviews in Esperanto.

Is that was Steve Mclarean learnt from his time in Holland ?

No, that's how McLaren tells his Spannish players to go faster.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 04, 2015, 01:32:58 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on November 03, 2015, 10:21:53 PM
Quote from: olaftab on November 03, 2015, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: Clampy on November 03, 2015, 09:35:05 PM
It's interesting that he's watched most of our games this season.
So me and Remi have loads in common. Suave sophisticated intelligent blokes who have been watching the Villa all season!

He's bilingual like you as well Aftab.
Haha....it gets better and better. I have just amended my profile to say that I speak Brummie and English!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 04, 2015, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: LeeB on November 04, 2015, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on November 04, 2015, 01:20:52 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 04, 2015, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on November 04, 2015, 01:05:58 PM
The general media sensationalistic reporting does my head in

"Garde bans French in the dressing room" when he has said that all players need to have a common understandable language and as we are in England etc. He also alludes to "team" every time a reporter tries to steer him towards English vs French. Are they trying to cause a shit stir already

I hope that from now on the manager and all players conduct TV interviews in Esperanto.

Is that was Steve Mclarean learnt from his time in Holland ?

No, that's how McLaren tells his Spannish players to go faster.

Haha!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 04, 2015, 02:00:51 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 04, 2015, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on November 04, 2015, 01:05:58 PM
The general media sensationalistic reporting does my head in

"Garde bans French in the dressing room" when he has said that all players need to have a common understandable language and as we are in England etc. He also alludes to "team" every time a reporter tries to steer him towards English vs French. Are they trying to cause a shit stir already

I hope that from now on the manager and all players conduct TV interviews in Esperanto.

'Thank your for your question Mr Shreeves. I would like to address it through the medium of experimental dance'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 04, 2015, 02:07:10 PM
I have a genuinely good feeling about this appointment. He sounds like he plays the exact right sort of tactics, and he's not some British football thicko. Adding in the fact that we've signed some talented players from France and I think it could go very well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 04, 2015, 02:16:58 PM
I think it's great that so many people are watching us and hoping it all goes tits up. We have a chance to prove that Villa are still a force to be reckoned with. One of the worst parts of supporting the club over the last few years has been the feeling of being a total irrelevance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 04, 2015, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 04, 2015, 02:16:58 PM
I think it's great that so many people are watching us and hoping it all goes tits up. We have a chance to prove that Villa are still a force to be reckoned with. One of the worst parts of supporting the club over the last few years has been the feeling of being a total irrelevance.

“There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.”
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on November 04, 2015, 02:38:12 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 04, 2015, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 04, 2015, 02:16:58 PM
I think it's great that so many people are watching us and hoping it all goes tits up. We have a chance to prove that Villa are still a force to be reckoned with. One of the worst parts of supporting the club over the last few years has been the feeling of being a total irrelevance.

“There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.”

Good old Oscar.  I would have enjoyed his company.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Skerra on November 04, 2015, 03:53:38 PM
Well, that was a fairly shit performance last night by Citeh, fancy only winning 3-1 away to one of the top Spanish clubs!!Obviously, this means we will win on sunday but Remi needs to be on his Guard at all times.

Seriously though, look at all the teams we as supporters are picking on here and we seem to have a nucleus of 9 players with the other 2 starting places, some prefer one player and others prefer a different 1 or 2. Can we, who have watched the matches this season be so wrong - I don't think so. It will be very interesting to see who he puts out on Sunday but, as long as Gabby, Westwood, Gestede, Lescott and Richardson are nowhere near the starting line up I will be a happy bunny. In fact, I don't think I even want them on the bench as we could have Bunn, Grealish, Sinclair, Gestede and Kozak instead.

I honestly think that we don't have a bad squad and, if our "best" team do the business between now and January (then get Alexandre Lacazette in from Lyon. Just broken into the French Squad/ plays for Lyon but has fallen out with the club president and, ideally, wants away). Obviously, Remi will know his talents very well. He looks like a natural centre forward, scores good goals with his head and, not afraid to shoot from just outside the penalty area and very pacy. Only problem is he would cost around £20 million and Arsenal have shown an interest in him.

However, if AVFC really want to challenge for anything, this is the type of player we need.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 04, 2015, 03:57:09 PM
Sounds like the perfect player for Arse to buy and loan to us for a few months.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 04, 2015, 04:54:31 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on November 03, 2015, 06:18:47 PM
And, most importantly, if we need to change again future then stick with a new man of a similar style.  It is the flip flopping that kills us.

By the way, both Woodhall and Walnuts owe me a nice bottle of wine based on the appointment I believe!

Certainly do! Thanks for that!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 04, 2015, 05:41:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 04, 2015, 04:54:31 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on November 03, 2015, 06:18:47 PM
And, most importantly, if we need to change again future then stick with a new man of a similar style.  It is the flip flopping that kills us.

By the way, both Woodhall and Walnuts owe me a nice bottle of wine based on the appointment I believe!

Certainly do! Thanks for that!

I will PM my address so you can courier it over!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on November 04, 2015, 05:54:46 PM
Quote from: andyh on November 04, 2015, 03:57:09 PM
Sounds like the perfect player for Arse to buy and loan to us for a few months.

That's a shout. I'm expecting first refusal on all Arse's loanees and for Houllier to oil the wheels for any future transfers in of promising French youngsters, now that their BFF is our gaffer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on November 04, 2015, 06:56:58 PM
I'm not sure helping Arsenal develop their players is the way forward for us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 04, 2015, 07:29:48 PM
I am if it helps keep us up
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 04, 2015, 09:52:33 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on November 04, 2015, 06:56:58 PM
I'm not sure helping Arsenal develop their players is the way forward for us.
Well apparently we have been selected by Wenger to develop their next manager so we might as well do the players as well!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 04, 2015, 09:58:44 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on November 04, 2015, 07:29:48 PM
I am if it helps keep us up
Agreed. Needs must and if that's the best option then that's what we've got to do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on November 04, 2015, 10:17:11 PM
There's not a lot I wouldn't do if it meant us avoiding relegation. In fact nothing at all football related.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 04, 2015, 10:49:33 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 04, 2015, 02:16:58 PM
I think it's great that so many people are watching us and hoping it all goes tits up. We have a chance to prove that Villa are still a force to be reckoned with. One of the worst parts of supporting the club over the last few years has been the feeling of being a total irrelevance.

I have lost count of the number of neutrals who, since I returned from China, tell me they cannot be bothered to watch us. Those that do invariably switch off after 15-20 minutes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 04, 2015, 11:25:00 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on November 04, 2015, 10:49:33 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 04, 2015, 02:16:58 PM
I think it's great that so many people are watching us and hoping it all goes tits up. We have a chance to prove that Villa are still a force to be reckoned with. One of the worst parts of supporting the club over the last few years has been the feeling of being a total irrelevance.

I have lost count of the number of neutrals who, since I returned from China, tell me they cannot be bothered to watch us. Those that do invariably switch off after 15-20 minutes.

Sadly I can't blame them. The first half of Monday's game saw me curled up in the foetal position and asleep by half-time. Ayew's goal woke me up and I heard we had played well second half, which is just typical.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 05, 2015, 12:28:32 AM
Aye. When there are season ticket holders on here who regularly post that they can't face turning up, I can't condemn a Stoke/Everton/Arsenal fan from wanting to look away.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on November 05, 2015, 08:04:20 AM
Well Remi is our 3rd manager this season so 3rd time lucky?
If he just starts by playing our best 11 in the correct positions it will be a start.
He seems to have a record of promoting youth, are there any under 21's worth considering, Lyden the Aussie midfielder for example?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 05, 2015, 08:32:13 AM
nail on head - play your strongest team in their right positions and see what happens over a period of time;simple - isn't it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 05, 2015, 08:46:01 AM
Plus Mr U, get the team properly fit and able to play a full match. None of this cobblers about subbing key players because they are tired.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on November 05, 2015, 09:40:52 AM
Well one positive so far is the absence of those awful Pravda images of Garde taking training, specially picked for the laughing/happy 'everyone's fine' type affairs.  Can't stand that nonsense.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on November 05, 2015, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on November 05, 2015, 08:04:20 AM
Well Remi is our 3rd manager this season so 3rd time lucky?
If he just starts by playing our best 11 in the correct positions it will be a start.
He seems to have a record of promoting youth, are there any under 21's worth considering, Lyden the Aussie midfielder for example?

Now isn't really the time for throwing new youngsters in, we need to get a couple of results using the younger players who are already there (Grealish, Amavi, Traore, Ilori).  Once we start getting on track then we can look to bring a few of the kids into thew squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Quiet Lion on November 05, 2015, 10:20:38 AM
Quote from: Des Little on November 05, 2015, 09:40:52 AM
Well one positive so far is the absence of those awful Pravda images of Garde taking training, specially picked for the laughing/happy 'everyone's fine' type affairs.  Can't stand that nonsense.

Club just tweeted that an open training session will take place this morning, so expect those wonderful images by this afternoon.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on November 05, 2015, 11:06:13 AM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on November 05, 2015, 10:20:38 AM
Quote from: Des Little on November 05, 2015, 09:40:52 AM
Well one positive so far is the absence of those awful Pravda images of Garde taking training, specially picked for the laughing/happy 'everyone's fine' type affairs.  Can't stand that nonsense.

Club just tweeted that an open training session will take place this morning, so expect those wonderful images by this afternoon.

Drat and double drat!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldtimernow on November 05, 2015, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 05, 2015, 08:46:01 AM
Plus Mr U, get the team properly fit and able to play a full match. None of this cobblers about subbing key players because they are tired.

A professional footballer getting "tired" is a product not fit for purpose and therefore should not be getting his full wage until he gets fit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 05, 2015, 11:31:49 AM
Quote from: oldtimernow on November 05, 2015, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 05, 2015, 08:46:01 AM
Plus Mr U, get the team properly fit and able to play a full match. None of this cobblers about subbing key players because they are tired.

A professional footballer getting "tired" is a product not fit for purpose and therefore should not be getting his full wage until he gets fit.

It's all relative. A professional footballer could be super-fit, ten times fitter than the general populous, but if one team is only ninety percent as fit as another, well-rotated and rested team, that is a problem when you play against that team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 05, 2015, 11:35:26 AM
ok Villla Ive had enough

Collecting my son from school yesterday and as soon as he saw me at the gates he cried his eyes out.

'Ive had enough of them all taking the mickey out of me supporting Villa'     

'Am I being too sensitive'

No , youre not son , you care and we will get our pride our back '


So come on Remi Garde and the players.

No more rubbish, no more laughing stock.

We are Aston Villa .   We deserve better . 

Bring us back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 05, 2015, 11:40:53 AM
He's upset about Leicester fans taking the Mickey out of him? Fucking Leicester?

He should have laughed manically at the sad sacks until they'd fucked off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 05, 2015, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 05, 2015, 11:40:53 AM
He's upset about Leicester fans taking the Mickey out of him? Fucking Leicester?

He should have laughed manically at the sad sacks until they'd fucked off.

yep and the glory hunter fookers
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 05, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
My favourite football chant ever is 'Villa are back, Villa are back'.

We'll ignore the origin of the melody.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 05, 2015, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 05, 2015, 11:35:26 AM
ok Villla Ive had enough

Collecting my son from school yesterday and as soon as he saw me at the gates he cried his eyes out.

'Ive had enough of them all taking the mickey out of me supporting Villa'     

'Am I being too sensitive'

No , youre not son , you care and we will get our pride our back '


So come on Remi Garde and the players.

No more rubbish, no more laughing stock.

We are Aston Villa .   We deserve better . 

Bring us back.

I noticed last season that my son would carry his Villa lunch box to school with the crest facing inwards towards him. I found out from my daughter that some of the kids at school had been laughing at it. Millwall fans, Arsenal fans, Charlton fans.... Anyway, I chucked the lunch box away and got him a Minecraft one, which he carries with pride. That's what you've fucking well done, Villa. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 05, 2015, 02:58:54 PM
My son just asks them if they've ever been to Anfield/Old Trafford/Stamford Bridge/The Emirates/The Etihad etc, knowing full well they haven't. The rest are mostly Leeds supporters who aren't in a position to take the piss.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 05, 2015, 02:59:21 PM
My 2 won't wear their Villa kits to football parties.

I keep telling them that it will get better. They are 10 and 12.

It feels like an addicts meeting.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 05, 2015, 03:09:34 PM
The fervently-awaited 'training day' pictures have come out. They're as bland and uninformative as they have to be, of course, but there are a couple of pictures in which players look visibly shocked. It's almost like it's a real training session.

He's given an interview to the OS as well about how they have to work smart, play clever, get things right tactically etc. I like this guy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Confusious says on November 05, 2015, 03:22:25 PM
like a real training session! does this mean that Duverne has arrived if not when as there is a lot of work to catch up on
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 05, 2015, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 05, 2015, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 05, 2015, 11:40:53 AM
He's upset about Leicester fans taking the Mickey out of him? Fucking Leicester?

He should have laughed manically at the sad sacks until they'd fucked off.

yep and the glory hunter fookers

Tell him I use to get teased by Luton fans in the mid 80s. It's character building.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: joe_c on November 05, 2015, 03:38:17 PM
Quote from: Confusious says on November 05, 2015, 03:22:25 PM
like a real training session! does this mean that Duverne has arrived if not when as there is a lot of work to catch up on

"Emergency services were today called to an address in North Warwickshire following reports of a number of men believed to be in their twenties reportedly suffering from exhaustion."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: maigrait on November 05, 2015, 04:07:10 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 05, 2015, 03:09:34 PM
The fervently-awaited 'training day' pictures have come out. They're as bland and uninformative as they have to be, of course, but there are a couple of pictures in which players look visibly shocked. It's almost like it's a real training session.

He's given an interview to the OS as well about how they have to work smart, play clever, get things right tactically etc. I like this guy.

A little bit bland - but Kozak is seen in the background so he is alive and taking part in training!!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2015, 04:21:23 PM
I think the pictures are ace. Tim Sherwood isn't in them. Remi Garde is. They will be even better when the bloke with RD has arrived and the players are vomitting up their McDonald's breakfast sandwiches.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 05, 2015, 04:23:53 PM
At my kids' school the dads are all geezer-types who support Villa or trampy divs who support b-lose. I somehow doubt that our kids will take any shit off that lot.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 05, 2015, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2015, 04:21:23 PM
I think the pictures are ace. Tim Sherwood isn't in them. Remi Garde is.......
As is the forgotten man, Libor Kozak !
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 05, 2015, 04:28:46 PM
Was there any sign of Joe Cole? If he ever wants to come back from Cov he should hand his whole self in to Monsieur Duverne's Fat Police. Gabby will hold his hand.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on November 05, 2015, 04:33:51 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on November 05, 2015, 11:10:59 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 05, 2015, 08:46:01 AM
Plus Mr U, get the team properly fit and able to play a full match. None of this cobblers about subbing key players because they are tired.

A professional footballer getting "tired" is a product not fit for purpose and therefore should not be getting his full wage until he gets fit.

This might be selective memory but I can't think of any other recent examples of PL clubs hooking players in their prime for being tired during the 90 minutes. Very young or very old players maybe, but Sanchez is 29!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 05, 2015, 04:39:04 PM
Let's judge Sanchez when he's not having to do three players' jobs all at once. Garde is very good with defensive midfielders as well, they play a very prominent role in his teams, and he really did well with Gonalons.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 05, 2015, 04:43:10 PM
Mossy I think it is this misplaced notion that a fresh player is a better player. The answer is to get your better player fully fit so that he does not have to be replaced by an inferior one. I have lost count how often in recent times our subbed up team has conceded points in the last 10 or 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 05, 2015, 04:46:06 PM
wise words as ever Brian - why can't 'professionals' see the things that are so obvious to people on here!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 05, 2015, 04:53:23 PM
I remember how shocked Houllier was at the players' fitness levels following O'Neill's regime. I wonder if Garde had a similar reaction and whether RD can't believe that he's in exactly the same position several years later.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 05, 2015, 04:57:57 PM
some people this time round are going to feel like Collins and Dunne did about Duverne. He'll soon sort the half-arsed contingent out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 05, 2015, 04:59:02 PM
To add to what Mont says about Sanchez, I actually think he is one our fitter players but as Monty says he is a one man fire brigade in defence. Nobody has told him not to stand still when he has won possession (which he does very well) because he has his pocket picked and has to go and try to win the ball back. I have mentioned in the past the way our class midfield players like Stylian, Barry and Sid having  won the ball would take a turn and keep moving and shielding the ball until a pass was on. Simple coaching. Always make yourself a moving target not a sitting duck.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on November 05, 2015, 05:05:21 PM
Yes very true Brian. Also on the point about fresh players, I feel it's extra risky having to replace players in pivotal positions like central defence and central midfield towards the end of the game, where it's so important that they have their head in the game and are tuned into what's going on around them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 05, 2015, 05:09:43 PM
I don't think I can remember in recent times a player who wins the ball from the opposition and intercepts play as many times as Sanchez does in a game

Unfortunately he also gives it away and passes to the opposition more than most as well
Like people have said if he can learn to improve on his distribution side he will be a proper defensive midfielder to be reckoned with
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 05, 2015, 05:19:32 PM
Just watched the news conference on Sky. Halfway through I realised I was grinning like a demented idiot.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 05, 2015, 05:21:37 PM
Quote from: john e on November 05, 2015, 05:09:43 PM
I don't think I can remember in recent times a player who wins the ball from the opposition and intercepts play as many times as Sanchez does in a game

Unfortunately he also gives it away and passes to the opposition more than most as well
Like people have said if he can learn to improve on his distribution side he will be a proper defensive midfielder to be reckoned with


He does give it away , but some of that goes back to options around him and movement off the ball ,

mind you sometimes he has given it away inexplicably  with no pressure on him   :-\
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 05, 2015, 05:24:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2015, 04:21:23 PM
I think the pictures are ace. Tim Sherwood isn't in them. Remi Garde is. They will be even better when the bloke with RD has arrived and the players are vomitting up their McDonald's breakfast sandwiches.

i do love their hash browns , but then I can
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2015, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 05, 2015, 05:19:32 PM
Just watched the news conference on Sky. Halfway through I realised I was grinning like a demented idiot.

My comment after the AVTV interview is that I felt calm afterwards. I probably had a stupid smile on my face also. I'm looking forward to catching the press conference. I assume it was equally as reassuring.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Somniloquism on November 05, 2015, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 05, 2015, 05:19:32 PM
Just watched the news conference on Sky. Halfway through I realised I was grinning like a demented idiot.

Anything that needs to be shared. ( about the conference content, not your personal feelings).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on November 05, 2015, 05:27:43 PM
He has no problem with players being purchased by a consortium but has the final say, as it should be.  Hopefully, they are drawing up a list of players to bring in during January.  He will have a few on the list having had the chance to sit and watch for the last year or so, I would hope. He has a calmness about him. The players need to react now, get them playing for their Premier Division futures. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 05, 2015, 05:33:26 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on November 05, 2015, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 05, 2015, 05:19:32 PM
Just watched the news conference on Sky. Halfway through I realised I was grinning like a demented idiot.

Anything that needs to be shared. ( about the conference content, not your personal feelings).

It was the usual stuff mostly (impressed by the fight back Monday, knows we're in trouble though, need to improve at both ends). He was pressed hard on the transfer policy, but said that he was used to the "consortium" approach at Lyon and approved of it but will have the final say on transfers.

But the whole thing for me was his personality - call me shallow, but I loved his way of speaking (calm, assured, confident) and his crinkly eyes - this man is used to smiling.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 05, 2015, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2015, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 05, 2015, 05:19:32 PM
Just watched the news conference on Sky. Halfway through I realised I was grinning like a demented idiot.

My comment after the AVTV interview is that I felt calm afterwards. I probably had a stupid smile on my face also. I'm looking forward to catching the press conference. I assume it was equally as reassuring.

you will be impressed I certainly was
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 05, 2015, 05:57:50 PM
This is a man who's played at the highest level, he's also managed in the Champions League, taken teams far in Europe. This is not some bloke dug up from the tractor derbies of east Anglia or plucked from the shithole of the championship. He doesn't have to make the media laugh and he won't be the players chirpy mate. He comes across as a serious professional manager. We won't be hearing bollocks from his mouth.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 05, 2015, 05:58:55 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 05, 2015, 02:40:49 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on November 05, 2015, 11:35:26 AM
ok Villla Ive had enough

Collecting my son from school yesterday and as soon as he saw me at the gates he cried his eyes out.

'Ive had enough of them all taking the mickey out of me supporting Villa'     

'Am I being too sensitive'

No , youre not son , you care and we will get our pride our back '


So come on Remi Garde and the players.

No more rubbish, no more laughing stock.

We are Aston Villa .   We deserve better . 

Bring us back.

I noticed last season that my son would carry his Villa lunch box to school with the crest facing inwards towards him. I found out from my daughter that some of the kids at school had been laughing at it. Millwall fans, Arsenal fans, Charlton fans.... Anyway, I chucked the lunch box away and got him a Minecraft one, which he carries with pride. That's what you've fucking well done, Villa. 

chico , It was the lunchbox that started it he said - when he got that out , there was a roar of laughter in the canteen. Very stressful for a lad just turned 10
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Drummond on November 05, 2015, 06:11:08 PM
He has managed at a good level. He runs transfers. He knows we need organising. He's cool calm. And collected. And he isn't Tony Pulis.

I just hope that if we do actually drop, he will stay. We need some continuity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 05, 2015, 06:18:06 PM
Quote from: john e on November 05, 2015, 05:09:43 PM
I don't think I can remember in recent times a player who wins the ball from the opposition and intercepts play as many times as Sanchez does in a game

Unfortunately he also gives it away and passes to the opposition more than most as well
Like people have said if he can learn to improve on his distribution side he will be a proper defensive midfielder to be reckoned with

NRC
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 05, 2015, 06:29:47 PM
I was more annoyed with Sky for only showing a couple of minutes worth of the conference. Presumably they couldn't wait to get back to talking about Mourinho. I hate that we've become so irrelevant to the national media, the sooner we get the club going in the right direction the better.

Regarding his calm demeanour, one of the things that I read about him was that he's very calm the week leading up to the game and then on matchday, he can be very different if required - which might be a bit of shock to the players having had their first week of training.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 05, 2015, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: john e on November 05, 2015, 05:09:43 PM
I don't think I can remember in recent times a player who wins the ball from the opposition and intercepts play as many times as Sanchez does in a game

Unfortunately he also gives it away and passes to the opposition more than most as well
Like people have said if he can learn to improve on his distribution side he will be a proper defensive midfielder to be reckoned with

From whoscored, passing accuracy of our midfielders

Gil 87.7
Veretout 86.9
Gueye 86.8
Westwood 85.3
Grealish 84.7
Sanchez 79.4
Bacuna 72.8

Others that stand out, Gestede is at 55% which is absolutely appalling. Lescott's 2 games for the Albion he was at 89% which has dropped down to 75% for us. Hutton is at 73% which is crap too. Clark is only on 75%, whereas Richards is at 85%, this is where we need our defenders to get around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on November 05, 2015, 06:44:23 PM
Clark's was in the 30s at one fairly late stage on Monday night. Not sure it was over the whole game.

Edit 47% apparently!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2015, 06:51:11 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on November 05, 2015, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: john e on November 05, 2015, 05:09:43 PM
I don't think I can remember in recent times a player who wins the ball from the opposition and intercepts play as many times as Sanchez does in a game

Unfortunately he also gives it away and passes to the opposition more than most as well
Like people have said if he can learn to improve on his distribution side he will be a proper defensive midfielder to be reckoned with

From whoscored, passing accuracy of our midfielders

Gil 87.7
Veretout 86.9
Gueye 86.8
Westwood 85.3
Grealish 84.7
Sanchez 79.4
Bacuna 72.8

Others that stand out, Gestede is at 55% which is absolutely appalling. Lescott's 2 games for the Albion he was at 89% which has dropped down to 75% for us. Hutton is at 73% which is crap too. Clark is only on 75%, whereas Richards is at 85%, this is where we need our defenders to get around.


What's funny about those stats (or not funny at all actually) is the manager who spoke in the third person complained about our inability in keeping the ball, yet didn't play the top two players who are best at passing to another player of the same coloured shirt.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Somniloquism on November 05, 2015, 06:57:00 PM
Quote from: Drummond on November 05, 2015, 06:11:08 PM
He has managed at a good level. He runs transfers. He knows we need organising. He's cool calm. And collected. And he isn't Tony Pulis.

I just hope that if we do actually drop, he will stay. We need some continuity.

To me it depends. If he falls into bizarre picks and tactics that make no sense, then go, but if we go down despite the best efforts of Garde, then keep. He already has one arm and leg tied behind his back with the supposed dressing room problems and 4 points from 11 games so it will be a hard job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DeeBoy1 on November 05, 2015, 07:02:25 PM
Does anyone have a link to the full press conference?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 05, 2015, 07:14:52 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2015, 06:51:11 PM

What's funny about those stats (or not funny at all actually) is the manager who spoke in the third person complained about our inability in keeping the ball, yet didn't play the top two players who are best at passing to another player of the same coloured shirt.
Absolutely.
It would appear that not only was he tactically inept but that he also perhaps hadn't got his head around the modern concept of stats.
We are so well rid.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on November 05, 2015, 07:16:32 PM
Quote from: DeeBoy1 on November 05, 2015, 07:02:25 PM
Does anyone have a link to the full press conference?
It's on AVTV in its entirety.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on November 05, 2015, 07:44:09 PM
The more I hear him speak, the more I like.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 05, 2015, 07:47:51 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 05, 2015, 05:33:26 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on November 05, 2015, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on November 05, 2015, 05:19:32 PM
Just watched the news conference on Sky. Halfway through I realised I was grinning like a demented idiot.

Anything that needs to be shared. ( about the conference content, not your personal feelings).

It was the usual stuff mostly (impressed by the fight back Monday, knows we're in trouble though, need to improve at both ends). He was pressed hard on the transfer policy, but said that he was used to the "consortium" approach at Lyon and approved of it but will have the final say on transfers.

But the whole thing for me was his personality - call me shallow, but I loved his way of speaking (calm, assured, confident) and his crinkly eyes - this man is used to smiling.

It was disappointing that the press were still buying in the bullshit line on transfers. He put them straight but I've still seen headlines that make out it will be something new. Apart from that, I couldn't be happier. he's exactly what we've needed these last 15 years. One thing I do feel confident about, we'll start seeing wins at Villa Park. He's a proper footballing man and he'll get us both very organised and adventurous at home. Once Villa Park becomes a great place to be for the home fans, we'll go from strength to strength.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on November 05, 2015, 07:48:18 PM
Quote from: CT on November 05, 2015, 07:44:09 PM
The more I hear him speak, the more I like.

I was impressed. intelligent and with no ego problem!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frank on November 05, 2015, 08:03:25 PM
A very good press conference. He comes across as determined and strong-minded and I would expect him to have a clear vision of how he wants us to play. Let's hope he can impose himself on the players quickly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on November 05, 2015, 08:12:39 PM
I am really hopeful that if he can keep us up this season we'll begin to see genuine progress before he moves on to Arsenal after his mentor retires!

My guess is more difficult results with gradual improvement and accelerated progress after Christmas with an additional player or two. By the end of January we'll be much more hopeful.

Please.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: exigo on November 05, 2015, 08:24:26 PM
The brains behind Tactics Tim now available (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34728650)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 05, 2015, 08:52:02 PM
Look away Saunders_Heroes..

Garde seemed extremely impressed with Fox and especially Lerner. As Garde doesn't seem the type to give unwarranted praise, I can only take that a very big positive. I still believe Lerner will give him whatever he wants in January as the rewards from TV next season are so huge. No doubt S_H probably believes they spent most of their time taking about their respective art collections. ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on November 05, 2015, 09:06:04 PM
January will probably be too late.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt Collins on November 05, 2015, 09:27:43 PM
He could be the next Arsene wenger and we still could well go down. If he becomes the fifth consecutive manager to do worse here than anywhere in their career to date I think we'll have to put it down to "other factors".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 05, 2015, 09:30:09 PM
Quote from: berneboy on November 05, 2015, 07:48:18 PM
Quote from: CT on November 05, 2015, 07:44:09 PM
The more I hear him speak, the more I like.

I was impressed. intelligent and with no ego problem!
Absofu*kinglutely!

He doesn't do clichéd bollux, is generous in his answers but doesn't take shit.
He said what he wanted to, not what the press wanted him to.


Not unlike my good self, he does a natty line in V-neck jumpers and small-collared shirts.
Totally unlike myself, he is intelligent and measured in his responses to searching questions.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on November 05, 2015, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: berneboy on November 05, 2015, 08:12:39 PM
I am really hopeful that if he can keep us up this season we'll begin to see genuine progress before he moves on to Arsenal after his mentor retires!

My guess is more difficult results with gradual improvement and accelerated progress after Christmas with an additional player or two. By the end of January we'll be much more hopeful.

Please.

He'll stick around at Villa and rebuild the club in the way Wenger did at Arsenal.  Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on November 05, 2015, 10:09:49 PM
An impressive performance from the new man.  Very calm and assured with a hint of confidence.   None of Lambert's mumbling or Sherwood's ego in evidence really.

Sadly predictable that they media were trying to make stories out of nothing with some rather sly questions.  "When did you hear of Aston Villa's interest.....just before Tim Sherwood left?"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2015, 10:11:49 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on November 05, 2015, 09:06:04 PM
January will probably be too late.

Too late for what? Do you think we will still be bottom at the end of the transfer window?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on November 05, 2015, 10:18:05 PM
as a mid forties man for the first time in twenty years
im getting excited, very excited      UTV
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 05, 2015, 10:31:23 PM
Some of the hyperbole about our current position makes me want to vomit.

We are four points from safety. The first week in November.

We're not getting hammered week in, week out, either.

Had we kept Sherwood, we would have been doomed, I honestly believe that - because he's a clueless shyster in a position way, way beyond his competence.

We've got rid of him, though, and appointed someone whose record suggests he should be well suited for what we want.

You can not spend weeks moaning about Sherwood and how he's condemning us to relegation and then continue to insist we're fucked before the new manager has even had his first day of training.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 05, 2015, 10:43:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 05, 2015, 10:31:23 PM
Some of the hyperbole about our current position makes me want to vomit.

We are four points from safety. The first week in November.

We're not getting hammered week in, week out, either.

Had we kept Sherwood, we would have been doomed, I honestly believe that - because he's a clueless shyster in a position way, way beyond his competence.

We've got rid of him, though, and appointed someone whose record suggests he should be well suited for what we want.

You can not spend weeks moaning about Sherwood and how he's condemning us to relegation and then continue to insist we're fucked before the new manager has even had his first day of training.

1. Stop being so reasonable.
2. I think you're under selling him there. If you'd added in gobshite with possible narcissistic tendencies then you're getting close.

I don't think anyone would claim that safety was guaranteed now, but we've given ourselves a decent shot at it.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 05, 2015, 10:51:25 PM
I agree that some of the comments are too negative, as if we're already down. The players had better not think like that.

I can understand the reasoning for that thinking though. It's a case of not having the vision to see beyond what we've been doing for the last few weeks. I expect that kind of crap off pundits. The rare type of pundit that I respect is the one that has the imagination to see beyond recent history and factor in change.

It would be very easy to write off the Man City and Everton games. Surprise results that few see coming do happen though and one of those would make things look very different. We'll likely be up against it for the rest of the season but by no means are things as certain as some would seem to believe.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on November 05, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
Quote from: OCD on November 05, 2015, 10:51:25 PM
I agree that some of the comments are too negative, as if we're already down. The players had better not think like that.

I can understand the reasoning for that thinking though. It's a case of not having the vision to see beyond what we've been doing for the last few weeks. I expect that kind of crap off pundits. The rare type of pundit that I respect is the one that has the imagination to see beyond recent history and factor in change.

It would be very easy to write off the Man City and Everton games. Surprise results that few see coming do happen though and one of those would make things look very different. We'll likely be up against it for the rest of the season but by no means are things as certain as some would seem to believe.
[/quois it just me but when did beating everton become a surprise
no offence
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: joe_c on November 05, 2015, 10:59:30 PM
From a text conversation I had with a nose after Sherwood succumbed to the inevitable.

"Ideally I'd like someone I've never heard of from a more interesting and progressive league than the premiership.

Or Gary Rowett."

Are there any backroom positions that he could fill?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 05, 2015, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on November 05, 2015, 09:27:43 PM
He could be the next Arsene wenger and we still could well go down. If he becomes the fifth consecutive manager to do worse here than anywhere in their career to date I think we'll have to put it down to "other factors".


This **
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 05, 2015, 11:08:37 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on November 05, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
Quote from: OCD on November 05, 2015, 10:51:25 PM
I agree that some of the comments are too negative, as if we're already down. The players had better not think like that.

I can understand the reasoning for that thinking though. It's a case of not having the vision to see beyond what we've been doing for the last few weeks. I expect that kind of crap off pundits. The rare type of pundit that I respect is the one that has the imagination to see beyond recent history and factor in change.

It would be very easy to write off the Man City and Everton games. Surprise results that few see coming do happen though and one of those would make things look very different. We'll likely be up against it for the rest of the season but by no means are things as certain as some would seem to believe.
is it just me but when did beating everton become a surprise
no offence

None taken. There have been comments from people saying it's a 4-point gap now but wait until after the Man City and Everton games and see what the gap is, or along those lines. So seem to be writing them both off. It is a tough game these days and it goes back to the point that Sherwood's Villa would have had no chance. Garde will have had about 3 weeks with most of the players by the time that game comes around so it will be interesting to see how we shape up by then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 05, 2015, 11:11:17 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 05, 2015, 09:30:09 PM
Totally unlike myself, he is intelligent and measured in his responses to searching questions.

He's everything MON pretended to be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 05, 2015, 11:20:25 PM
Different sized trophy cabinet though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 05, 2015, 11:23:29 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on November 05, 2015, 11:11:17 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 05, 2015, 09:30:09 PM
Totally unlike myself, he is intelligent and measured in his responses to searching questions.

He's everything MON pretended to be.
Oddly, despite our current position, I'm more optimistic than I've been since Houllier left.*
He looks and sounds like he knows what he wants and what he's doing and gives the impression that he won't be cowed by the size of the job.
* I was OK with Lambert until I saw a picture of him stood on the Holte holding a scarf with a look on his face that seemed to be radiating "how the fuck did I swing that?"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 05, 2015, 11:23:44 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on November 05, 2015, 09:27:43 PM
He could be the next Arsene wenger and we still could well go down. If he becomes the fifth consecutive manager to do worse here than anywhere in their career to date I think we'll have to put it down to "other factors".

Although your general point is sound, Lambert did much worse at Livingstone than he did with us.

And McLeish's time at Forest made his spell with us look like he was the reincarnation of Brian Clough.

Otherwise, carry on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 05, 2015, 11:31:46 PM
Quote from: passport1 on November 05, 2015, 11:20:25 PM
Different sized trophy cabinet though.
2 league cups v 1 French FA Cup?

I'm discounting MON's record in Scotland as
1. Garde has never had the opportunity to manage in a duopoly.
2. McLeish has a comparable record to MON over the same period, including a better record in Europe despite a huge financial disadvantage. We all know how that worked out for us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 05, 2015, 11:32:39 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 05, 2015, 11:23:29 PM
He looks and sounds like he knows what he wants and what he's doing and gives the impression that he won't be cowed by the size of the job.

If we go by Deloitte's ranking, Villa is a step down from Lyon.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 05, 2015, 11:40:03 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on November 05, 2015, 11:32:39 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 05, 2015, 11:23:29 PM
He looks and sounds like he knows what he wants and what he's doing and gives the impression that he won't be cowed by the size of the job.

If we go by Deloitte's ranking, Villa is a step down from Lyon.
That might account for it then.

I'd have said given their record over the last 20 years that you'd have to say that they were bigger (can't comment before then), but they've always seemed to be one of the teams that seemed to win regular titles and do OK in Europe.

The weight of expectation of taking over a team that had won I think 7 out of 10 championships to try and keep them competitive whilst pretty much selling anyone you can get money for must have been immense.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 05, 2015, 11:46:42 PM
'I'm discounting MON's record in Scotland '

Of course you are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 05, 2015, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: passport1 on November 05, 2015, 11:46:42 PM
'I'm discounting MON's record in Scotland '

Of course you are.

Let's be quite clear about something - winning trophies as Rangers or Celtic manager (before the Sevco hilariousness) really doesn't count. If you fail to win many trophies you are a complete failure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 05, 2015, 11:50:21 PM
Quote from: passport1 on November 05, 2015, 11:46:42 PM
'I'm discounting MON's record in Scotland '

Of course you are.

Go on then. If you want to explain why that adds anything to the debate as to his suitability, explain why using MON's record in Scotland is OK if you don't want to argue for McLeish in the same breath. Similar records in the same timeframe in Scotland.

One nearly bankrupted us.
One nearly relegated us.
Neither fit for purpose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on November 06, 2015, 01:41:44 AM
In fairness to O'Neill his Celtic team, with Henrik Larsson in brilliant form, were very unlucky to lose the 2004 Uefa Cup final against Mourinho's Porto.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 06, 2015, 07:18:45 AM
Quote from: Monty on November 05, 2015, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: passport1 on November 05, 2015, 11:46:42 PM
'I'm discounting MON's record in Scotland '

Of course you are.

Let's be quite clear about something - winning trophies as Rangers or Celtic manager (before the Sevco hilariousness) really doesn't count. If you fail to win many trophies you are a complete failure.

I think the site rules make it clear that this subject cannot be discussed without use of the phrase 'tinpot Scottish shit'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FatSam on November 06, 2015, 08:10:04 AM
Quote from: passport1 on November 05, 2015, 11:20:25 PM
Different sized trophy cabinet though.
MON had been managing for 21 years rather than 3 when he arrived here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 06, 2015, 08:11:09 AM
Is it me or did he say something along the lines of I've got some problems to sort out? I enjoyed what sky showed. Liked how he said need scouts I can't be everywhere
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 06, 2015, 08:12:47 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 05, 2015, 10:31:23 PM
Some of the hyperbole about our current position makes me want to vomit.

We are four points from safety. The first week in November.

We're not getting hammered week in, week out, either.

Had we kept Sherwood, we would have been doomed, I honestly believe that - because he's a clueless shyster in a position way, way beyond his competence.

We've got rid of him, though, and appointed someone whose record suggests he should be well suited for what we want.

You can not spend weeks moaning about Sherwood and how he's condemning us to relegation and then continue to insist we're fucked before the new manager has even had his first day of training.

This is all true and very sensible, with a caveat - that we could easily be seven points away from safety after this weekend, if Norwich and Bournemouth win. If Newcastle beat Bournemouth, on the other hand, then we'll be six points out (I'm assuming that we lost to City, just for the moment). It needs to be emphasised just how much Sherwood has fucked us with his miraculous run of losses.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 06, 2015, 08:27:37 AM
I am very pleased with his appointment and very impressed by his first public words and demeanour.

For me what he has done is draw the sting of relegation. My wholly personal view is that playing winning football again is the most pressing problem not the accumulation of league points. Of course they go together but you have to put them in the right order.  Good football is winning football, winning football gathers points and you enter a virtuous cycle of happier fans and bigger crowds. Get it the wrong way round and play stink-the-house-out anti football and you may scrape survival for three or four or five seasons but you eventually have to face the reality of what you have become as a football club. The sniggering and mockery of the commentators at the Tottenham game is as low as it gets for Aston Villa in my book. Time to put the last five years behind us and do things differently.

So that I do not get accused of defeatism I will add that the key man to our survival in the short term is Duverne not Remi Garde. Improved stamina levels can be imposed relatively quickly and that ought to squeeze out the last quarter capitulations we have become resigned to for months now. The very thought of Gabby having to face up to losing the blubber or being on his bike cheers me enormously. As does Libor Kozak actually being in consideration after all he has gone through.

Welcome Remy and thanks for coming.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: lovejoy on November 06, 2015, 08:33:14 AM
Quote from: eamonn on November 06, 2015, 01:41:44 AM
In fairness to O'Neill his Celtic team, with Henrik Larsson in brilliant form, were very unlucky to lose the 2004 Uefa Cup final against Mourinho's Porto.

That match gave us a valuable insight to what Mourinho would be like in the future with a team strangling any creativity out of the match, using every trick in the book when they were patently the better team anyway.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 06, 2015, 08:42:12 AM
Quote from: eamonn on November 06, 2015, 01:41:44 AM
In fairness to O'Neill his Celtic team, with Henrik Larsson in brilliant form, were very unlucky to lose the 2004 Uefa Cup final against Mourinho's Porto.

Thank you Eamonn. I think Larsson said that MON gave the most inspirational pre match team talk he had ever heard. Porto apparently had to resort to cheating in the end to get the better of them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dr Butler on November 06, 2015, 08:46:45 AM
Quote from: Monty on November 06, 2015, 08:12:47 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 05, 2015, 10:31:23 PM
Some of the hyperbole about our current position makes me want to vomit.

We are four points from safety. The first week in November.

We're not getting hammered week in, week out, either.

Had we kept Sherwood, we would have been doomed, I honestly believe that - because he's a clueless shyster in a position way, way beyond his competence.

We've got rid of him, though, and appointed someone whose record suggests he should be well suited for what we want.

You can not spend weeks moaning about Sherwood and how he's condemning us to relegation and then continue to insist we're fucked before the new manager has even had his first day of training.

This is all true and very sensible, with a caveat - that we could easily be seven points away from safety after this weekend, if Norwich and Bournemouth win. If Newcastle beat Bournemouth, on the other hand, then we'll be six points out (I'm assuming that we lost to City, just for the moment). It needs to be emphasised just how much Sherwood has fucked us with his miraculous run of losses.

agreed about the Sherwood fucking us bit, but it is the 6th of November and there is a long way to go in the League and we also have a Jan transfer window to use too.

other fans of other teams I have spoke to all agree that we should not be where we are with the team we have and that Sherwood was only taking us one way, they all agreed the Villa did the right thing in getting rid too.
They also said that the Villa will climb the table in the next 2/3 months....

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 06, 2015, 08:58:30 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 06, 2015, 08:27:37 AM
I am very pleased with his appointment and very impressed by his first public words and demeanour.

For me what he has done is draw the sting of relegation. My wholly personal view is that playing winning football again is the most pressing problem not the accumulation of league points. Of course they go together but you have to put them in the right order.  Good football is winning football, winning football gathers points and you enter a virtuous cycle of happier fans and bigger crowds. Get it the wrong way round and play stink-the-house-out anti football and you may scrape survival for three or four or five seasons but you eventually have to face the reality of what you have become as a football club. The sniggering and mockery of the commentators at the Tottenham game is as low as it gets for Aston Villa in my book. Time to put the last five years behind us and do things differently.

So that I do not get accused of defeatism I will add that the key man to our survival in the short term is Duverne not Remi Garde. Improved stamina levels can be imposed relatively quickly and that ought to squeeze out the last quarter capitulations we have become resigned to for months now. The very thought of Gabby having to face up to losing the blubber or being on his bike cheers me enormously. As does Libor Kozak actually being in consideration after all he has gone through.

Welcome Remy and thanks for coming.

Gabby, it may be said, must impress on the training field. The previous four managers and KMac have spoken well of him.Unfortunately where it matters he is appallingly poor in almost every game. They will not get rid of him because of his contract so at best he will make the bench for a few games. I cannot imagine Remi Garde selecting him for any first team game which of course means he probably will!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on November 06, 2015, 09:11:18 AM
It will be fascinating to see how Garde sets the team up, who he leaves out will be a good indicator of the style of play we will be adopting from now on. He must have a very good idea of the quality of our French contingent.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 06, 2015, 09:28:57 AM
Agree Ron. Agree ROB.  I can't wait to see what Remi makes it our squad. So far the foreign imports have been viewed through Sherwood's jaundiced eyes and it will be very informative who starts to do the business. I expect Ayew to come on leaps and bounds now released from being firmly put behind Gabby and once Veretout is properly fit and playing in front of Sanchez and Gana I expect a lot more from him. Interesting times.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 06, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
I still think Garde will need a bit of financial assistance in January. A quality striker is a must, and so far Gestede looks like a total carthorse, albeit a carthorse who can head it a bit. Still, maybe the manager can get more out of him. He's another member of the French contingent, so maybe Rémi will find "les bons mots" to inspire him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 06, 2015, 10:02:59 AM
I am keen to see a front line partnership of Kozak and Ayew given a try.
There might be goals, as well as energy and movement in that pairing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dr Butler on November 06, 2015, 10:03:33 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on November 06, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
I still think Garde will need a bit of financial assistance in January. A quality striker is a must, and so far Gestede looks like a total carthorse, albeit a carthorse who can head it a bit. Still, maybe the manager can get more out of him. He's another member of the French contingent, so maybe Rémi will find "les bons mots" to inspire him.

and a decent keeper too would be nice.

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 06, 2015, 10:05:16 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on November 06, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
I still think Garde will need a bit of financial assistance in January. A quality striker is a must, and so far Gestede looks like a total carthorse, albeit a carthorse who can head it a bit. Still, maybe the manager can get more out of him. He's another member of the French contingent, so maybe Rémi will find "les bons mots" to inspire him.

If you can strip his role down to laying the ball off, and heading the bastard thing really hard into the net, then he may have a chance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 06, 2015, 10:07:39 AM
Quote from: LeeB on November 06, 2015, 10:05:16 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on November 06, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
I still think Garde will need a bit of financial assistance in January. A quality striker is a must, and so far Gestede looks like a total carthorse, albeit a carthorse who can head it a bit. Still, maybe the manager can get more out of him. He's another member of the French contingent, so maybe Rémi will find "les bons mots" to inspire him.

If you can strip his role down to laying the ball off, and heading the bastard thing really hard into the net, then he may have a chance.


Except that he can't really lay the ball off. Well, maybe he can, it's unfair to judge any player based on their time being coached by Tim Sherwood, but I don't have high hopes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 06, 2015, 10:12:53 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 06, 2015, 09:28:57 AM
Agree Ron. Agree ROB.  I can't wait to see what Remi makes it our squad. So far the foreign imports have been viewed through Sherwood's jaundiced eyes and it will be very informative who starts to do the business. I expect Ayew to come on leaps and bounds now released from being firmly put behind Gabby and once Veretout is properly fit and playing in front of Sanchez and Gana I expect a lot more from him. Interesting times.
This...
...and "Libor Kozak actually being in consideration after all he has gone through."


 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 06, 2015, 10:20:31 AM
Quote from: Monty on November 06, 2015, 10:07:39 AM
Quote from: LeeB on November 06, 2015, 10:05:16 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on November 06, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
I still think Garde will need a bit of financial assistance in January. A quality striker is a must, and so far Gestede looks like a total carthorse, albeit a carthorse who can head it a bit. Still, maybe the manager can get more out of him. He's another member of the French contingent, so maybe Rémi will find "les bons mots" to inspire him.

If you can strip his role down to laying the ball off, and heading the bastard thing really hard into the net, then he may have a chance.


Except that he can't really lay the ball off. Well, maybe he can, it's unfair to judge any player based on their time being coached by Tim Sherwood, but I don't have high hopes.

In fairness to him, most of the shit passes he receives arrive somewhere between his knee and the Trinity roof. Whilst he should do better, it would help if he got the ball into feet, and then with a modicum of team structure and understanding he should be able to find a teammate fairly easily.

He's never going to fire us into Europe, but utilised correctly he could keep us up this year.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Damo70 on November 06, 2015, 10:36:06 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 05, 2015, 10:31:23 PM
Some of the hyperbole about our current position makes me want to vomit.

We are four points from safety. The first week in November.

We're not getting hammered week in, week out, either.

Had we kept Sherwood, we would have been doomed, I honestly believe that - because he's a clueless shyster in a position way, way beyond his competence.

We've got rid of him, though, and appointed someone whose record suggests he should be well suited for what we want.

You can not spend weeks moaning about Sherwood and how he's condemning us to relegation and then continue to insist we're fucked before the new manager has even had his first day of training.



I can see both sides of the coin. We are not cut way adrift from safety as you point out. On the other hand with our record so far we could and possibly should be. Very similar to when Sherwood arrived in fact. Also as you correctly point out we are not getting hammered and conceding loads of goals. But we aren't scoring nearly enough. Very similar again to when Sherwood arrived. Sherwood has captained our ship like Tom Baker's Captain Rum in Blackadder. It has taken us a year to end up where we began.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 06, 2015, 10:40:44 AM
It feels strange to hear our manager talk and it be some actual opinion and philosophy about football. We've had years of  I just do, we go again, the boys are up for it, the moral is great, I want buccaneering football, all meaningless, nothing addressing what has happened on the pitch or what we will try. It's nice but reminds me of how very poor our last batch of amateurs have been.

I really hope in 2 years time this will all seem like a bad dream.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 06, 2015, 10:42:49 AM
Quote from: LeeB on November 06, 2015, 10:20:31 AM
Quote from: Monty on November 06, 2015, 10:07:39 AM
Quote from: LeeB on November 06, 2015, 10:05:16 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on November 06, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
I still think Garde will need a bit of financial assistance in January. A quality striker is a must, and so far Gestede looks like a total carthorse, albeit a carthorse who can head it a bit. Still, maybe the manager can get more out of him. He's another member of the French contingent, so maybe Rémi will find "les bons mots" to inspire him.

If you can strip his role down to laying the ball off, and heading the bastard thing really hard into the net, then he may have a chance.


Except that he can't really lay the ball off. Well, maybe he can, it's unfair to judge any player based on their time being coached by Tim Sherwood, but I don't have high hopes.

In fairness to him, most of the shit passes he receives arrive somewhere between his knee and the Trinity roof. Whilst he should do better, it would help if he got the ball into feet, and then with a modicum of team structure and understanding he should be able to find a teammate fairly easily.

He's never going to fire us into Europe, but utilised correctly he could keep us up this year.

We will indeed see what he's really made of, given that the service should improve. On the other hand, he does look really rubbish. I think he could have an off-the-bench role to play for us this season, but as the main striker starting every week? I think we're down if that's our best option.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 06, 2015, 10:46:59 AM
Benty type signing in January - not another  Bent of course, someone better /more talented/etc for the same money. Embolo here we come!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on November 06, 2015, 11:36:03 AM
I would imagine Garde would have got guarantees from Lerner about the January spending, the trick will be to get us us to a position where we are competative before then. Garde appears to be his own man and unlike his predecessors will not be overawed by the task ahead. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 06, 2015, 11:48:07 AM
There's a short video on AVFC of him taking training yesterday - anyone know who all the different coaches are in the background, other than Duverne?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 06, 2015, 11:53:23 AM
Quote from: passport1 on November 06, 2015, 08:42:12 AM
Quote from: eamonn on November 06, 2015, 01:41:44 AM
In fairness to O'Neill his Celtic team, with Henrik Larsson in brilliant form, were very unlucky to lose the 2004 Uefa Cup final against Mourinho's Porto.

Thank you Eamonn. I think Larsson said that MON gave the most inspirational pre match team talk he had ever heard. Porto apparently had to resort to cheating in the end to get the better of them.
And if the criteria is the size of his trophy cabinet, how many trophies did it add to his record?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 06, 2015, 11:59:30 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 06, 2015, 08:27:37 AM
I am very pleased with his appointment and very impressed by his first public words and demeanour.

For me what he has done is draw the sting of relegation. My wholly personal view is that playing winning football again is the most pressing problem not the accumulation of league points. Of course they go together but you have to put them in the right order.  Good football is winning football, winning football gathers points and you enter a virtuous cycle of happier fans and bigger crowds. Get it the wrong way round and play stink-the-house-out anti football and you may scrape survival for three or four or five seasons but you eventually have to face the reality of what you have become as a football club. The sniggering and mockery of the commentators at the Tottenham game is as low as it gets for Aston Villa in my book. Time to put the last five years behind us and do things differently.

So that I do not get accused of defeatism I will add that the key man to our survival in the short term is Duverne not Remi Garde. Improved stamina levels can be imposed relatively quickly and that ought to squeeze out the last quarter capitulations we have become resigned to for months now. The very thought of Gabby having to face up to losing the blubber or being on his bike cheers me enormously. As does Libor Kozak actually being in consideration after all he has gone through.

Welcome Remy and thanks for coming.

Thanks Brian.

Saved me a lot of typing on a phone with that.

Absolutely nailed it for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Small Rodent on November 06, 2015, 12:39:16 PM
I hope people don't get too upset if his first XI on Sunday is a conservative one. It might possibly be.

I think we'll be out of the bottom 3 by New Year's Day just by playing the right players in position.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2015, 12:49:42 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on November 06, 2015, 11:48:07 AM
There's a short video on AVFC of him taking training yesterday - anyone know who all the different coaches are in the background, other than Duverne?

Didn't he only bring two, Reggie Ray and Robbie D?

On MON, I'm not going to entirely dismiss his ability because Barnes and King Kenny showed it isn't a piece of piss. Rangers were strong and still had to win those trophies in Scotland. It's not like they were awarded to him before the season started. Prior to that he did really well at Leicester, got them promoted, finished in a solid league positions and won the League Cup twice, and runners up once. That's nothing to be sniffed at. He should have achieved much, much more given his resources with us off course; a well documented debate.

What I really liked about Remi's two interviews is that he will be the very opposite of Sherwood. He will preach calm and smart and clever. That running around faster or kicking the ball harder or longer doesn't win any more games. We need to win games through good decisions. It's the same thing I liked about the player acquisition this summer in that they weren't the English way players. I think they will prove to very nice acquisitions under Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on November 06, 2015, 12:59:51 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 05, 2015, 11:31:46 PM
Quote from: passport1 on November 05, 2015, 11:20:25 PM
Different sized trophy cabinet though.
2 league cups v 1 French FA Cup?

I'm discounting MON's record in Scotland as
1. Garde has never had the opportunity to manage in a duopoly.
2. McLeish has a comparable record to MON over the same period, including a better record in Europe despite a huge financial disadvantage. We all know how that worked out for us.

IIRC didn't MON inherit Henrik Larrson? He is the last truly world class player to play in that league
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on November 06, 2015, 01:03:18 PM
To avoid a quoteathon and apologies for asking but, what exactly is the situation regarding Duverne?  I know he resigned from Metz but is he employed by us now?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: UK Redsox on November 06, 2015, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on November 06, 2015, 11:48:07 AM
There's a short video on AVFC of him taking training yesterday - anyone know who all the different coaches are in the background, other than Duverne?

I was just wondering who was assisting Garde. With his regular assistants not being released, who'll be on the bench with him on Sunday ?

I assume that Tony P. will be there but who else ?

Maybe Sid ?

The bench is normally crowded with staff, as is the row behind the dugout. Maybe I should look to move a few rows forward from my seat in row 9
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 06, 2015, 01:04:29 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on November 06, 2015, 01:03:18 PM
To avoid a quoteathon and apologies for asking but, what exactly is the situation regarding Duverne?  I know he resigned from Metz but is he employed by us now?

We're just good friends as it stands. We'll go out for dinner in the near future and take it from there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 06, 2015, 01:05:09 PM
There are photos and videos of Duverne and Ray taking training, so they're here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on November 06, 2015, 01:20:20 PM
Quote from: LeeB on November 06, 2015, 01:04:29 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on November 06, 2015, 01:03:18 PM
To avoid a quoteathon and apologies for asking but, what exactly is the situation regarding Duverne?  I know he resigned from Metz but is he employed by us now?

We're just good friends as it stands. We'll go out for dinner in the near future and take it from there.

You do realise that he doesn't do anything untoward on the first date don't you?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on November 06, 2015, 01:21:01 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 06, 2015, 01:05:09 PM
There are photos and videos of Duverne and Ray taking training, so they're here.

Thanks Monty, appreciated.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 06, 2015, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on November 06, 2015, 12:59:51 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 05, 2015, 11:31:46 PM
Quote from: passport1 on November 05, 2015, 11:20:25 PM
Different sized trophy cabinet though.
2 league cups v 1 French FA Cup?

I'm discounting MON's record in Scotland as
1. Garde has never had the opportunity to manage in a duopoly.
2. McLeish has a comparable record to MON over the same period, including a better record in Europe despite a huge financial disadvantage. We all know how that worked out for us.

IIRC didn't MON inherit Henrik Larrson? He is the last truly world class player to play in that league

He did inherit Larsson.

I was going to say he still had to get the best out of him, but for all but 4 games a year a Sherwoodesque "just get the ball to him close to the box" would probably have done the trick in most games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 06, 2015, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on November 06, 2015, 01:20:20 PM
Quote from: LeeB on November 06, 2015, 01:04:29 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on November 06, 2015, 01:03:18 PM
To avoid a quoteathon and apologies for asking but, what exactly is the situation regarding Duverne?  I know he resigned from Metz but is he employed by us now?

We're just good friends as it stands. We'll go out for dinner in the near future and take it from there.

You do realise that he doesn't do anything untoward on the first date don't you?

I was afraid of that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2015, 01:51:55 PM
I just read this from the Mail and I have to admit Remi just gave me semi

Quote
Remi on developing his football philosophy

You mean in terms of playing football. If you ask people in Lyon they will tell you that we were quite an attacking team, but it was mainly because I had a lot of talented attacking players. I have played under managers who like possessing the ball with technical players. In Lyon this is the culture of the club and i have been growing in this club, so this is the way I see football.

I’ve been playing for Arsenal with Arsene Wenger which was the way as well with a technical and collective game, trying to understand how we can play all together. Of course it is 11 players with individuals but it is a collective game so you have to be smart, to be clever when you play. I like that the team speak the same language on the pitch.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 06, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
I think we have a very intelligent man at the helm for a change.  Instantly likable too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CJ on November 06, 2015, 02:05:51 PM
The more this man speaks the more I like him - which is the polar opposite to how I felt about Sherwood
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 06, 2015, 02:07:53 PM
When a manager finally gets it right at Villa it will go very well, very quickly. I hope this is the man. But it wouldn't be a big surprise if we had a few terrible results at first.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2015, 02:23:22 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2015, 01:51:55 PM
I just read this from the Mail and I have to admit Remi just gave me semi

Quote
Remi on developing his football philosophy

You mean in terms of playing football. If you ask people in Lyon they will tell you that we were quite an attacking team, but it was mainly because I had a lot of talented attacking players. I have played under managers who like possessing the ball with technical players. In Lyon this is the culture of the club and i have been growing in this club, so this is the way I see football.

I’ve been playing for Arsenal with Arsene Wenger which was the way as well with a technical and collective game, trying to understand how we can play all together. Of course it is 11 players with individuals but it is a collective game so you have to be smart, to be clever when you play. I like that the team speak the same language on the pitch.


Yep clarity of thought, footballing intelligence and just general intelligence. He sounds really promising.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2015, 02:24:16 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 06, 2015, 02:07:53 PM
When a manager finally gets it right at Villa it will go very well, very quickly. I hope this is the man. But it wouldn't be a big surprise if we had a few terrible results at first.

Yep there's likely to be a transitional phase, and we need to stick with him. He comes across as very impressive and appears to have the right sort of thoughts on football.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 06, 2015, 02:29:11 PM
It will be a bit like teaching your child to ride a bike. You are not going to loose me are you? Can I have the stabilisers back on? I want to do it tomorrow. They eventually overcome fear and push on the pedals. That is the way it is going to be. Yellow Jersey here we come.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2015, 02:31:27 PM
The contrast between Sherwood, and his ranks of fans in the pundit world, and Garde has made me think of a slightly broader subject. Why do British footballers appear much more stupid and just less well rounded than footballers from the continent? Obviously there will be exceptions in both groups, and it might be down to greater exposure to the British players, but when I hear foreign footballers talk I often think how much more eloquent and thoughtful they are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 06, 2015, 02:35:18 PM
Appearing to be intelligent, thoughtful, sensitive and cultured cuts no ice in British football.
Ask Graeme Le Saux.


 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 06, 2015, 02:35:57 PM
Well the proof of the pudding will be in the eating....as gabby will no doubt confirm! The Man City match will be a good pointer as to the way ahead for some of our players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on November 06, 2015, 02:36:42 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2015, 02:31:27 PM
The contrast between Sherwood, and his ranks of fans in the pundit world, and Garde has made me think of a slightly broader subject. Why do British footballers appear much more stupid and just less well rounded than footballers from the continent? Obviously there will be exceptions in both groups, and it might be down to greater exposure to the British players, but when I hear foreign footballers talk I often think how much more eloquent and thoughtful they are.

Sounds the same as when I go on holiday and see the difference between us and the foreign holidaymakers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 06, 2015, 02:41:34 PM
I don't think they are actually as thick as they come across but they ape their peers. They want to be seen as part of the football in crowd so they hang about with flash birds in night clubs because they think it is expected of them and they want to conform. They would die before they admitted to liking to read books. In the early days Gary Lineker was embarrassed by his wife being a world authority on the architecture of Antoni Gaudi. They divorced and he was free to become an authority on crisps.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on November 06, 2015, 02:42:32 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on November 06, 2015, 10:46:59 AM
Benty type signing in January - not another  Bent of course, someone better /more talented/etc for the same money. Embolo here we come!!

find another benteke will do
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 06, 2015, 02:42:56 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 06, 2015, 02:41:34 PM
I don't think they are actually as thick as they come across but they ape their peers. They want to be seen as part of the football in crowd so they hang about with flash birds in night clubs because they think it is expected of them and they want to conform. They would die before they admitted to liking to read books. In the early days Gary Lineker was embarrassed by his wife being a world authority on the architecture of Antoni Gaudi. They divorced and he was free to become an authority on crisps.
This has just made me laugh. Out loud.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Drummond on November 06, 2015, 02:54:30 PM
Hvaing watched that Class of '92 - Salford thing (which I've actually enjoyed) it appears footballers at every level are thick.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2015, 03:01:31 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 06, 2015, 02:41:34 PM
I don't think they are actually as thick as they come across but they ape their peers. They want to be seen as part of the football in crowd so they hang about with flash birds in night clubs because they think it is expected of them and they want to conform. They would die before they admitted to liking to read books. In the early days Gary Lineker was embarrassed by his wife being a world authority on the architecture of Antoni Gaudi. They divorced and he was free to become an authority on crisps.

It has to be killing the media that he hasn't delivered any tried and trusted cliches. Tim was always great for those.

Now that I say that I expect an article in the French media after we have a lost a couple with him saying over and over "nous allons à nouveau"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 06, 2015, 03:04:48 PM
Quote from: Drummond on November 06, 2015, 02:54:30 PM
Hvaing watched that Class of '92 - Salford thing (which I've actually enjoyed) it appears footballers at every level are thick.

football fans in phone ins are just as bad

talsksport have had a handful of rugby League fans on today talking about their game re Sam Burgess,
everyone of them knew there stuff put there points over well and generally embarrassed the presenters by actually knowing what they were talking about
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 06, 2015, 03:09:07 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 06, 2015, 02:41:34 PM
I don't think they are actually as thick as they come across but they ape their peers. They want to be seen as part of the football in crowd so they hang about with flash birds in night clubs because they think it is expected of them and they want to conform.

I think that the majority probably are actually. To play at the top level, you've probably had to make football your number one priority from the age of about 8 years old - training, matches, away games, fitness etc. Schoolwork is going to take a backseat for most of them.

As soon as you get to the age where they sign professionally, at the age where kids of the same age are moving into higher education, training or work - they're spending their days playing football, being told what to eat, where to be, what to do, what not to do - pretty much until they stop playing football 20 years later.

A lot more is being done by some clubs now to ensure that young players are educated as well as trained, so it might be less of an issue in the future - but I think that most footballers these days sound less educated simply because they are. Not through any fault of their own, but it's just something that has to be sacrificed by a lot of them in order to become a footballer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2015, 03:10:57 PM
Whenever a Villa fans calls up a radio show all I pray is that he or she eloquently articulates the current situation. Invariably with odd exception they up sounding fucking thick. Like some plonker who called up other night on that show with Bobby Gould I think and started going on about Garde being a crap appointment, Sherwood not given enough time, the players we bought are a bit rubbish, and we needed more PL experience. I wanted to go out an buy a tank to ensure my radio was smashed into 10 million pieces.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dr Butler on November 06, 2015, 03:15:18 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 06, 2015, 02:42:56 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 06, 2015, 02:41:34 PM
I don't think they are actually as thick as they come across but they ape their peers. They want to be seen as part of the football in crowd so they hang about with flash birds in night clubs because they think it is expected of them and they want to conform. They would die before they admitted to liking to read books. In the early days Gary Lineker was embarrassed by his wife being a world authority on the architecture of Antoni Gaudi. They divorced and he was free to become an authority on crisps.
This has just made me laugh. Out loud.

same here frank :)  very good Brian

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on November 06, 2015, 03:21:35 PM
I think players in England are generally pretty thick. As stated Graeme Le Saux was to all intent isolated because he wanted to read a paper that was beyond the comprehension of the average 8 year old.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 06, 2015, 03:41:33 PM
The hilarious thing is that Graeme le Saux isn't even that bright. But because he's spent his life in the company of people like Robbie Fowler, he thinks he's Yoda just because he reads 'The Guardian'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 06, 2015, 03:43:20 PM
I'm really looking forward to Sunday - not because I believe I will see a totally-transformed side or a win but because the choices RG makes in team selection and subbs will be fascinating. And the crowd reaction to him will be interesting, too.

Central MF is critical and I hope that he sees the need for us to be tight and compact. Who he plays upfront to provide something different will give some clues about how he wants us to play; and, his FB selection will be really interesting.

All round, whilst I'm not expecting miracles, I'm hoping for some reasons to be hopeful.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 06, 2015, 03:48:40 PM
Quote from: john e on November 06, 2015, 03:04:48 PM
Quote from: Drummond on November 06, 2015, 02:54:30 PM
Hvaing watched that Class of '92 - Salford thing (which I've actually enjoyed) it appears footballers at every level are thick.

football fans in phone ins are just as bad

talsksport have had a handful of rugby League fans on today talking about their game re Sam Burgess,
everyone of them knew there stuff put there points over well and generally embarrassed the presenters by actually knowing what they were talking about

Re football phone ins they always seem to be the same callers who ring up. I get the impression they think they are the fans correspondent for their club or they think they are a pundit ?  :-\
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 06, 2015, 03:53:02 PM
Le Saux had a university education and has always come across as thoughtful and intelligent in his comments when interviewed or in his later role as an "expert", pundit etc.

I don't think he ever thought of himself as better than anyone else, just that the majority seemed to think he was strange because he came across as thoughtful, intelligent etc

Stan and Southgate always came across as thoughtful and intelligent communicators...Gabby hasn't but seems to be stereotypical of the modern British footballer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2015, 03:58:02 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 06, 2015, 03:41:33 PM
The hilarious thing is that Graeme le Saux isn't even that bright. But because he's spent his life in the company of people like Robbie Fowler, he thinks he's Yoda just because he reads 'The Guardian'

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 06, 2015, 04:14:38 PM
When Chelsea were given a day off Pat Nevin flew to Paris to see the Cocteau Twins but didn't dare tell any of 'the lads' who spent their days in the pub and/or on the golf course
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 06, 2015, 04:18:30 PM
He use to buy two copies of the NME, as he knew one would be torn up by his team mates.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 06, 2015, 04:22:36 PM
Trevor Brookin is regarded as an educated footballer. They must have gone easy on his spellin.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on November 06, 2015, 04:31:29 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on November 06, 2015, 04:18:30 PM
He use to buy two copies of the NME, as he knew one would be torn up by his team mates.

His team mates weren't completely philistine dullards then, have you seen the NME lately?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 06, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
Quote from: Richard E on November 06, 2015, 04:31:29 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on November 06, 2015, 04:18:30 PM
He use to buy two copies of the NME, as he knew one would be torn up by his team mates.

His team mates weren't completely philistine dullards then, have you seen the NME lately?

They wouldn't tear it up now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 06, 2015, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 06, 2015, 11:53:23 AM
Quote from: passport1 on November 06, 2015, 08:42:12 AM
Quote from: eamonn on November 06, 2015, 01:41:44 AM
In fairness to O'Neill his Celtic team, with Henrik Larsson in brilliant form, were very unlucky to lose the 2004 Uefa Cup final against Mourinho's Porto.

Thank you Eamonn. I think Larsson said that MON gave the most inspirational pre match team talk he had ever heard. Porto apparently had to resort to cheating in the end to get the better of them.
And if the criteria is the size of his trophy cabinet, how many trophies did it add to his record?

Managerial[edit]

Wycombe Wanderers[20]
Football Conference: 1992–93
FA Trophy: 1990–91, 1992–93
Football League Third Division play-offs: 1993–94

Leicester City[20]
Football League First Division play-offs: 1995–96
Football League Cup: 1996–97, 1999–2000

Celtic[20]
Scottish Premier League: 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04
Scottish Cup: 2000–01, 2003–04, 2004–05
Scottish League Cup: 2000–01
UEFA Cup Runners Up; 2002-03

Awards and achievements[edit]

[20]
Premier League Manager of the Month: September 1997, October 1998, November 1999, April 2007, November 2007, December 2008, April 2010, December 2011
SPL Manager of the Month: August 2000, December 2000, February 2001, August 2001, April 2002, November 2002, October 2003, November 2003, January 2005,
SFWA Manager of the Year: 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04


I think you will find it contains  a runners up medal along with the aforementioned .


 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on November 06, 2015, 05:18:07 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 06, 2015, 02:41:34 PM
I don't think they are actually as thick as they come across but they ape their peers. They want to be seen as part of the football in crowd so they hang about with flash birds in night clubs because they think it is expected of them and they want to conform. They would die before they admitted to liking to read books. In the early days Gary Lineker was embarrassed by his wife being a world authority on the architecture of Antoni Gaudi. They divorced and he was free to become an authority on crisps.

 ;D Lineker for one is nowhere near as stupid as the Walkers crisps/MOTD caricature he has become

It does stagger me how inept tactically British educated players are, witness Ciaran Clark's pathetic efforts to play RCB the other night reminiscent of John Terry's efforts to play RCB at the 2010 World Cup. Gazza, Gerrard, Rooney, Scholes - teams had to be built around them or else they couldnt cope on the highest stage particularly at international level. Sure players have favoured positions but they shouldnt sink without trace if asked to play a different type of role. Even the likes of Alli, Barkely, Wilshere etc other great white hopes, again clueless when to run with the ball or pass. Helter skelter is the EPL way.

Other European football philosophies like the Dutch, encourage players to play in all positions as part of their development
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on November 06, 2015, 05:19:56 PM
There was something I watched not long ago - Football Focus, possibly - and whoever it was still chuckled indulgently at the memory of Graeme Le Saux bringing the Guardian to training.

I also recall there was an interview where Pat Nevin said he'd rather watch the Cocteau Twins than have a threesome.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 06, 2015, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: passport1 on November 06, 2015, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 06, 2015, 11:53:23 AM
Quote from: passport1 on November 06, 2015, 08:42:12 AM
Quote from: eamonn on November 06, 2015, 01:41:44 AM
In fairness to O'Neill his Celtic team, with Henrik Larsson in brilliant form, were very unlucky to lose the 2004 Uefa Cup final against Mourinho's Porto.

Thank you Eamonn. I think Larsson said that MON gave the most inspirational pre match team talk he had ever heard. Porto apparently had to resort to cheating in the end to get the better of them.
And if the criteria is the size of his trophy cabinet, how many trophies did it add to his record?

Managerial[edit]

Wycombe Wanderers[20]
Football Conference: 1992–93
FA Trophy: 1990–91, 1992–93
Football League Third Division play-offs: 1993–94

Leicester City[20]
Football League First Division play-offs: 1995–96
Football League Cup: 1996–97, 1999–2000

Celtic[20]
Scottish Premier League: 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04
Scottish Cup: 2000–01, 2003–04, 2004–05
Scottish League Cup: 2000–01
UEFA Cup Runners Up; 2002-03

Awards and achievements[edit]

[20]
Premier League Manager of the Month: September 1997, October 1998, November 1999, April 2007, November 2007, December 2008, April 2010, December 2011
SPL Manager of the Month: August 2000, December 2000, February 2001, August 2001, April 2002, November 2002, October 2003, November 2003, January 2005,
SFWA Manager of the Year: 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04


I think you will find it contains  a runners up medal along with the aforementioned .

The question was specifically referring to that Europa League final to which the answer is zero.

Manager of the Month awards?  Really?

Compare his list of actual trophies with Celtic, with that of McLeish over the same period. O'Neill's got 3 league titles to 2. McLeish has a couple of cups more. And no one else won anything because it's a 2 horse race, where anything around 50% success is just par the course. Anything significantly away from that is someone either under or over performing. MON was on a par with McLeish (who also managed a league cup down here with some plucky over achievers.)

Anyone comparing winning records and including Scotland is only being fair if both managers have had a few years with Celtic or Rangers.

Otherwise it's like trying to argue that Graeme Hick was a top class test batsman based on his batting average which is scewed by him having helped himself to huge scores against the likes of Zimbabwe and Bangladesh but delivering very little against more challenging opposition.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on November 06, 2015, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on November 06, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
I still think Garde will need a bit of financial assistance in January. A quality striker is a must, and so far Gestede looks like a total carthorse, albeit a carthorse who can head it a bit. Still, maybe the manager can get more out of him. He's another member of the French contingent, so maybe Rémi will find "les bons mots" to inspire him.

Is the narrative that as Garde is French, he will be able to get the best out of our French players a bit simplistic maybe?

Amavi, Veretout, Gueye, Gestede, Ayew all have shown bits and pieces of their talents but from Sunday its time to deliver.

I've been impressed with Garde thus far but the proof will be in the shape of our side come Sunday.

Home game against a side we arent expecting to get anything off, its the perfect first game for him.

We need to get a shape about us when we dont have the ball first before we think about the other end of the pitch
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 06, 2015, 04:14:38 PM
When Chelsea were given a day off Pat Nevin flew to Paris to see the Cocteau Twins but didn't dare tell any of 'the lads' who spent their days in the pub and/or on the golf course

And this kind of illustrates the point, you highlight examples of bright British footballers because they're so unusual.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 06, 2015, 05:31:51 PM
Subjective analysis methinks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2015, 05:33:26 PM
Of course it is, but it's always going to be because it's based on perception.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on November 06, 2015, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on November 06, 2015, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on November 06, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
I still think Garde will need a bit of financial assistance in January. A quality striker is a must, and so far Gestede looks like a total carthorse, albeit a carthorse who can head it a bit. Still, maybe the manager can get more out of him. He's another member of the French contingent, so maybe Rémi will find "les bons mots" to inspire him.

I dont think Sunday will be proof on anything - too early. He is going to need time to work it out me thinks. But agree its the perfect first game because its a game he personally cannot really lose either way - lose and no-one will seriously lay blame at his door, win and he will be the messiah

Is the narrative that as Garde is French, he will be able to get the best out of our French players a bit simplistic maybe?

Amavi, Veretout, Gueye, Gestede, Ayew all have shown bits and pieces of their talents but from Sunday its time to deliver.

I've been impressed with Garde thus far but the proof will be in the shape of our side come Sunday.

Home game against a side we arent expecting to get anything off, its the perfect first game for him.

We need to get a shape about us when we dont have the ball first before we think about the other end of the pitch
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 06, 2015, 06:33:08 PM
Quote from: passport1 on November 06, 2015, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 06, 2015, 11:53:23 AM
Quote from: passport1 on November 06, 2015, 08:42:12 AM
Quote from: eamonn on November 06, 2015, 01:41:44 AM
In fairness to O'Neill his Celtic team, with Henrik Larsson in brilliant form, were very unlucky to lose the 2004 Uefa Cup final against Mourinho's Porto.

Thank you Eamonn. I think Larsson said that MON gave the most inspirational pre match team talk he had ever heard. Porto apparently had to resort to cheating in the end to get the better of them.
And if the criteria is the size of his trophy cabinet, how many trophies did it add to his record?

Managerial[edit]

Wycombe Wanderers[20]
Football Conference: 1992–93
FA Trophy: 1990–91, 1992–93
Football League Third Division play-offs: 1993–94

Leicester City[20]
Football League First Division play-offs: 1995–96
Football League Cup: 1996–97, 1999–2000

Celtic[20]
Scottish Premier League: 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04
Scottish Cup: 2000–01, 2003–04, 2004–05
Scottish League Cup: 2000–01
UEFA Cup Runners Up; 2002-03

Awards and achievements[edit]

[20]
Premier League Manager of the Month: September 1997, October 1998, November 1999, April 2007, November 2007, December 2008, April 2010, December 2011
SPL Manager of the Month: August 2000, December 2000, February 2001, August 2001, April 2002, November 2002, October 2003, November 2003, January 2005,
SFWA Manager of the Year: 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04


I think you will find it contains  a runners up medal along with the aforementioned .

What the above doesn't show is the absolute mess MON left Celtic in. An overpaid Dad's Army of a squad. There were many complaints too about the quality of the football. It's also well documented how much more entertaining the team became the following season under Gordon Strachan.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 06, 2015, 06:58:21 PM
Two horse race and O'Neill won the league 3 times, Scottish Cup twice and League Cup twice. At the same time Rangers won the league twice, Scottish Cup three times and League Cup twice.

So basically against the brains of Alex Mcleish they were hardly domineering. Winning the same number of trophies. MON is a myth and a complete ******.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 06, 2015, 06:58:32 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on November 06, 2015, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on November 06, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
I still think Garde will need a bit of financial assistance in January. A quality striker is a must, and so far Gestede looks like a total carthorse, albeit a carthorse who can head it a bit. Still, maybe the manager can get more out of him. He's another member of the French contingent, so maybe Rémi will find "les bons mots" to inspire him.

Is the narrative that as Garde is French, he will be able to get the best out of our French players a bit simplistic maybe?

Amavi, Veretout, Gueye, Gestede, Ayew all have shown bits and pieces of their talents but from Sunday its time to deliver.

I've been impressed with Garde thus far but the proof will be in the shape of our side come Sunday.

Home game against a side we arent expecting to get anything off, its the perfect first game for him.

We need to get a shape about us when we dont have the ball first before we think about the other end of the pitch

Yeah, most likely. I meant it in a slightly tongue-in-cheek way. Anyway Rudy's been in England a while now, so it shouldn't make a difference to him.

Having said that... you never know, it might have a little bit of impact on the Francophones in the squad. When you're in a foreign country, it can be comforting to be around people from the motherland, so to speak. And if their English is a bit iffy, Remi can always take them aside and have a word in their ear in French to ensure they understand everything that's expected of them. Good communication is vital.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 06, 2015, 07:14:31 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on November 06, 2015, 06:33:08 PM
Quote from: passport1 on November 06, 2015, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 06, 2015, 11:53:23 AM
Quote from: passport1 on November 06, 2015, 08:42:12 AM
Quote from: eamonn on November 06, 2015, 01:41:44 AM
In fairness to O'Neill his Celtic team, with Henrik Larsson in brilliant form, were very unlucky to lose the 2004 Uefa Cup final against Mourinho's Porto.

Thank you Eamonn. I think Larsson said that MON gave the most inspirational pre match team talk he had ever heard. Porto apparently had to resort to cheating in the end to get the better of them.
And if the criteria is the size of his trophy cabinet, how many trophies did it add to his record?

Managerial[edit]

Wycombe Wanderers[20]
Football Conference: 1992–93
FA Trophy: 1990–91, 1992–93
Football League Third Division play-offs: 1993–94

Leicester City[20]
Football League First Division play-offs: 1995–96
Football League Cup: 1996–97, 1999–2000

Celtic[20]
Scottish Premier League: 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04
Scottish Cup: 2000–01, 2003–04, 2004–05
Scottish League Cup: 2000–01
UEFA Cup Runners Up; 2002-03

Awards and achievements[edit]

[20]
Premier League Manager of the Month: September 1997, October 1998, November 1999, April 2007, November 2007, December 2008, April 2010, December 2011
SPL Manager of the Month: August 2000, December 2000, February 2001, August 2001, April 2002, November 2002, October 2003, November 2003, January 2005,
SFWA Manager of the Year: 2000–01, 2001–02, 2003–04


I think you will find it contains  a runners up medal along with the aforementioned .

What the above doesn't show is the absolute mess MON left Celtic in. An overpaid Dad's Army of a squad. There were many complaints too about the quality of the football. It's also well documented how much more entertaining the team became the following season under Gordon Strachan.

I remember reading that Bobo Balde was on 40k a week there. 40k a week in Scotland, over 10 years ago.

The place i read it was a celtic forum where they were talking about his legacy shortly after he joined us.

The thing about his motivational skills is believable. The problem with us was that to make that last step into the top four your manager needs to have more about him than being able to lift spirits

I firmly believe that even if we had given him double the money we would have still finished sixth because he just didn't have a clue about certain things  - tactics (did we ever show any variety?) and substitutions for example
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 06, 2015, 07:30:41 PM
With all the money MON had to spend, he bought 3 players from overseas. Guzan (600K), Carew (swap) and Salifou (50p). He signed players around two dozen players for over £110m and that was it for overseas players, and one of those was only because Houllier offered Carew for Baros.

That for me sums up his failings more than anything.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 06, 2015, 08:24:15 PM
Henry Redknapp is on R5 right now giving it the full Alf Garnett. 'What's the point in English managers [like Sherwood] doing their badges when they never get a chance?'

Ahem, dickwad, he did.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 06, 2015, 08:33:29 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on November 06, 2015, 08:24:15 PM
Henry Redknapp is on R5 right now giving it the full Alf Garnett. 'What's the point in English managers [like Sherwood] doing their badges when they never get a chance?'

Ahem, dickwad, he did.

He wasn't chirping out when Spurs didn't give Dim Tim his chance was he?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 06, 2015, 09:20:02 PM
Quote from: passport1 on November 06, 2015, 05:31:51 PM
Subjective analysis methinks.

Last word on the subject I promise, having contributed to unfortunately twisting yet another thread into a was MON a charlatan type thread.

The analysis you describe as subjective is actually a valid basis for experimental design and statistical analysis where there may be data that skews the normal distribution because of obvious anomalies.

If you're comparing the record of a guy who managed 3 years in France with a guy who's been around for the best part of 20 odd years, but won 80% of his trophies from a position where it was harder not to win than win, then from a statistical analysis point of view his record with us and Leicester is far more representative.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 06, 2015, 09:23:11 PM
Does it ever cross whatever Redknapp uses for a brain that he is a very good example of why English managers are held in such low esteem?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: clash city rocker on November 06, 2015, 09:23:55 PM
Are we still talking about football..???
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on November 06, 2015, 09:31:17 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 06, 2015, 07:30:41 PM
With all the money MON had to spend, he bought 3 players from overseas. Guzan (600K), Carew (swap) and Salifou (50p). He signed players around two dozen players for over £110m and that was it for overseas players, and one of those was only because Houllier offered Carew for Baros.

That for me sums up his failings more than anything.

A guy rung up WM earlier to say MON was the easily the best manager we've had since Ron Saunders.

Granted the managers who've followed O'Neill have made him look better, but better than Big Ron? Brian Little?  Graham Taylor mk1?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2015, 10:42:58 PM
Even Gregory was better. Similar but better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on November 06, 2015, 11:00:15 PM
Given how much he spent, given the size of the club etc, was 6th really that great a result? I know he did it three times and we'd accept it now, but given how much of the money he spunked on the likes of Harewood, Davies, Heskey, Reo Coker, Sidwell, I wonder if Little, Big Ron etc all would have finished so low.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2015, 11:16:29 PM
Let's not turn the positivity of Remi Garde arriving into a regurgitation of the MON years. A topic covered a million times.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 06, 2015, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on November 06, 2015, 09:23:55 PM
Are we still talking about football..???

I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Damo70 on November 06, 2015, 11:36:44 PM
Quote from: Newby on November 06, 2015, 11:00:15 PM
Given how much he spent, given the size of the club etc, was 6th really that great a result? I know he did it three times and we'd accept it now, but given how much of the money he spunked on the likes of Harewood, Davies, Heskey, Reo Coker, Sidwell, I wonder if Little, Big Ron etc all would have finished so low.


Surely if we give BFR and Brian Little credit for good league and cup performances (and they both spent a few quid to achieve it) we should give MON some credit too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on November 06, 2015, 11:40:20 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 06, 2015, 11:36:44 PM
Quote from: Newby on November 06, 2015, 11:00:15 PM
Given how much he spent, given the size of the club etc, was 6th really that great a result? I know he did it three times and we'd accept it now, but given how much of the money he spunked on the likes of Harewood, Davies, Heskey, Reo Coker, Sidwell, I wonder if Little, Big Ron etc all would have finished so low.


Surely if we give BFR and Brian Little credit for good league and cup performances (and they both spent a few quid to achieve it) we should give MON some credit too.
That was the problem. Randy gave MON far too much credit. 😉
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2015, 12:09:07 AM
And they won them.

Anyway, Garde seems to have won the local media over very quickly.

Looking forward to seeing what he puts out on Sunday, some twitter talk that Richards has been at right back in training
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on November 07, 2015, 12:19:43 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 07, 2015, 12:09:07 AM
And they won them.

Anyway, Garde seems to have won the local media over very quickly.

Looking forward to seeing what he puts out on Sunday, some twitter talk that Richards has been at right back in training

The obvious choice...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: richard moore on November 07, 2015, 07:54:54 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on November 06, 2015, 04:14:38 PM
When Chelsea were given a day off Pat Nevin flew to Paris to see the Cocteau Twins but didn't dare tell any of 'the lads' who spent their days in the pub and/or on the golf course

Just about what I'd expect from him. I'm in a very small minority of people who can't stand him on the radio. He reminds me of Nick Hornsby and I always think Nevin would be better suited being an Arsenal fan. God, the Cocteau Twins were dire, I could never understand a fucking word they sang. Did they actually say anything or was it just that woman wailing all the time?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2015, 08:49:28 AM
Not a fan of Nevin either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on November 07, 2015, 09:02:14 AM
Well, Cocteau Twins reference throw into a Remi Garde thread? You really can't predict this place can you? ;D

Just to throw my two cents in on the MON thing (sorry couldn't resist!), he is or was a better manager than Little and Gregory because his track at the highest level is much better, but then in the case of Little he had greater success as Villa manager than MON.  Big Ron the same, and at his best he was very good manager,and Taylor during his first spell did a great job espically consider when he took over.  But yeah I would put MON up there.

Garde is another stab in the dark.  If he tightens us up at the back that will be a start, but I think it'll take him too long to adapt and working with somone elses squad and not being able to bring his own players in til January will make it harder.  It may take more than just a few fresh ideas to turn things round this time.  Also, see he's already started with the soundbites with the whole "I'm not a magic man thing" ::)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on November 07, 2015, 09:21:42 AM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on November 07, 2015, 12:19:43 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 07, 2015, 12:09:07 AM
And they won them.

Anyway, Garde seems to have won the local media over very quickly.

Looking forward to seeing what he puts out on Sunday, some twitter talk that Richards has been at right back in training

The obvious choice...

I hope this is true. Bring Ilori into the fold, Amavi and Okore. Hmm, might not be too bad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 07, 2015, 09:41:52 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on November 07, 2015, 09:02:14 AM
Just to throw my two cents in on the MON thing (sorry couldn't resist!), he is or was a better manager than Little and Gregory because his track at the highest level is much better, but then in the case of Little he had greater success as Villa manager than MON.

So which higher level are you talking about then? The highest level that any of them managed at was their time with Villa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 07, 2015, 09:48:10 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on November 07, 2015, 09:02:14 AM
....  Garde is another stab in the dark.  If he tightens us up at the back that will be a start, but I think it'll take him too long to adapt and working with somone elses squad and not being able to bring his own players in til January will make it harder.  It may take more than just a few fresh ideas to turn things round this time.  Also, see he's already started with the soundbites with the whole "I'm not a magic man thing" ::)
It has to be better than we had: Dim Tim was a stab in the dark - the difference is that RG has some decent form whereas DT was just a stab in the dark.
I'm not expecting miracles: just some logic to team selection, a game plan, good reactive tactics and an attempt to exploit set pieces more than we have done for the last 6 years. oh, and some real energy and commitment from the players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on November 07, 2015, 09:54:59 AM
Speaking of Pat Nevin, I recall that he had a connection with local musicians "We've Got A Fuzzbock and We Are Going to Use It", "The Nightingales" and singing anti-comedian Ted Chippington, featuring on their single "Rocking With Rita" on Vindaloo Records. I think he had a relationship with one of the fuzz boxers.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2015, 10:45:14 AM
All of this 'no Premier League experience' guff is really annoying me. Even if we allow that it means anything, Remi has experience of playing in England for three years! And that was back when the English league was an awful lot more different to European leagues than it is now.

Put it this way: if an English manager had played at Roma for three years, and then wanted to manage Fiorentina, would idiots like Merson be saying he has no experience of Italian football? Merson who, by the way, said that Remi had plain never 'worked' in England before, when he'd actually worked with Merson for a year at Arsenal.

Berks, the lot of 'em.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2015, 10:52:25 AM
Quote from: Monty on November 07, 2015, 10:45:14 AM
All of this 'no Premier League experience' guff is really annoying me. Even if we allow that it means anything, Remi has experience of playing in England for three years! And that was back when the English league was an awful lot more different to European leagues than it is now.

Put it this way: if an English manager had played at Roma for three years, and then wanted to manage Fiorentina, would idiots like Merson be saying he has no experience of Italian football? Merson who, by the way, said that Remi had plain never 'worked' in England before, when he'd actually worked with Merson for a year at Arsenal.

Berks, the lot of 'em.

You know you're on the right track when these dickheads disapprove.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 07, 2015, 11:01:26 AM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on November 07, 2015, 12:19:43 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on November 07, 2015, 12:09:07 AM
And they won them.

Anyway, Garde seems to have won the local media over very quickly.

Looking forward to seeing what he puts out on Sunday, some twitter talk that Richards has been at right back in training

The obvious choice...

It is the obvious choice, but I suspect it might lead to Ricahrds throwing his toys out of the pram, as he and Dim Tim were very vocal about him coming here to play at CH in the summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 07, 2015, 11:05:05 AM
Well if the team needs him at right back then he plays right back. If you're good in two positions you can't kick off if you're asked to play in one of them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 07, 2015, 11:10:12 AM
Okore is just as mistake prone as any of the others probably more so in fact,
Like the other CB's he does a lot of things well but is always good for a fuck up at any time

Clark is a better player imo
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2015, 11:17:17 AM
I don't particularly rate him at centre back, to be honest, but I can't quite see why he'd go back to the right, as a) all our other centre backs seem to be either rubbish or made of delicate Chinese porcelain, and b) Hutton's actually been one of our better players. Unless Ilori is going to come in and shock everyone with a performance of genius.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on November 07, 2015, 11:21:37 AM
I like Okore but I'm not sure if he's suited to this league. He'd be better over in Spain or Italy I reckon but it has been a bit stop start for him in fairness.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 07, 2015, 11:24:14 AM
Quote from: Monty on November 07, 2015, 10:45:14 AM
All of this 'no Premier League experience' guff is really annoying me. Even if we allow that it means anything, Remi has experience of playing in England for three years! And that was back when the English league was an awful lot more different to European leagues than it is now.

Put it this way: if an English manager had played at Roma for three years, and then wanted to manage Fiorentina, would idiots like Merson be saying he has no experience of Italian football? Merson who, by the way, said that Remi had plain never 'worked' in England before, when he'd actually worked with Merson for a year at Arsenal.

Berks, the lot of 'em.

Idiots like Merson? You mean there's more! God in heaven.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 07, 2015, 11:48:43 AM
One of my sons, I can't recall which one, produced that programme with Merson sitting on a purple sofa in the centre circle at VP. He was not averse to using the club of which he is now so critical to help launch his media career.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2015, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 07, 2015, 11:48:43 AM
One of my sons, I can't recall which one, produced that programme with Merson sitting on a purple sofa in the centre circle at VP. He was not averse to using the club of which he is now so critical to help launch his media career.


They should have left the sofa in the centre circle for Westwood to sit on for ninety minutes of every home game.

I've read the transcripts of our new manager's press conference and I was impressed. I have allowed myself to become cautiously optimistic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 07, 2015, 11:57:20 AM
I think Okore hasn't been able to fully learn his game due to injuries. If he gets a run of games I think he'd learn to cut out the mistakes. He's potentially a very good player.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 07, 2015, 11:57:55 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 07, 2015, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 07, 2015, 11:48:43 AM
One of my sons, I can't recall which one, produced that programme with Merson sitting on a purple sofa in the centre circle at VP. He was not averse to using the club of which he is now so critical to help launch his media career.


They should have left the sofa in the centre circle for Westwood to sit on for ninety minutes of every home game.

I've read the transcripts of our new manager's press conference and I was impressed. I have allowed myself to become cautiously optimistic.

There was talk of Westwood playing with concussion. Would that help or is that bad?
Cautiously optimistic. I love that phrase. It's almost meaningless and effectively covers my entire following of Villa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passitsideways on November 07, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
He also has the "won't shit himself with the ball at his feet" thing going for him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on November 07, 2015, 11:57:55 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 07, 2015, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 07, 2015, 11:48:43 AM
One of my sons, I can't recall which one, produced that programme with Merson sitting on a purple sofa in the centre circle at VP. He was not averse to using the club of which he is now so critical to help launch his media career.


They should have left the sofa in the centre circle for Westwood to sit on for ninety minutes of every home game.

I've read the transcripts of our new manager's press conference and I was impressed. I have allowed myself to become cautiously optimistic.

There was talk of Westwood playing with concussion. Would that help or is that bad?
Cautiously optimistic. I love that phrase. It's almost meaningless and effectively covers my entire following of Villa.


I was borderline suicidal so to reach the giddy heights of cautiously optimistic* without the help of alcohol or happy pills is quite an achievement.

*This state of mind does not include tomorrows game.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2015, 12:04:06 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on November 07, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
He also has the "won't shit himself with the ball at his feet" thing going for him.

I like him but I'm not sure about that. His comical first touch in the cup final set the tone for the whole omnishambles.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on November 07, 2015, 12:05:48 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 07, 2015, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 07, 2015, 11:48:43 AM
One of my sons, I can't recall which one, produced that programme with Merson sitting on a purple sofa in the centre circle at VP. He was not averse to using the club of which he is now so critical to help launch his media career.


They should have left the sofa in the centre circle for Westwood to sit on for ninety minutes of every home game.

I've read the transcripts of our new manager's press conference and I was impressed. I have allowed myself to become cautiously optimistic.

See I can let most of the criticism of Westwood go, his defending is pretty iffy and he does play sideways too much and his set pieces are pants but the one thing he has never been is lazy, he covers a hell of a lot of ground trying to be available for the pass and is probably the fittest player in our squad. On the opta stats for the amount of running he's always up at the top and is one of the highest in the league so far this season.  That work rate is why the likes of Sherwood and Lambert rated him so highly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 07, 2015, 12:06:35 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 07, 2015, 12:01:04 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on November 07, 2015, 11:57:55 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 07, 2015, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 07, 2015, 11:48:43 AM
One of my sons, I can't recall which one, produced that programme with Merson sitting on a purple sofa in the centre circle at VP. He was not averse to using the club of which he is now so critical to help launch his media career.


They should have left the sofa in the centre circle for Westwood to sit on for ninety minutes of every home game.

I've read the transcripts of our new manager's press conference and I was impressed. I have allowed myself to become cautiously optimistic.

There was talk of Westwood playing with concussion. Would that help or is that bad?
Cautiously optimistic. I love that phrase. It's almost meaningless and effectively covers my entire following of Villa.


I was borderline suicidal so to reach the giddy heights of cautiously optimistic* without the help of alcohol or happy pills is quite an achievement.

*This state of mind does not include tomorrows game.

Well at least they can't ruin our Saturday. They will leave that until later in the weekend.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 07, 2015, 12:30:54 PM
I just love his interviews, he sounds so eloquent. Something just feels right about this appointment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on November 07, 2015, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 07, 2015, 10:45:14 AM
All of this 'no Premier League experience' guff is really annoying me. Even if we allow that it means anything, Remi has experience of playing in England for three years! And that was back when the English league was an awful lot more different to European leagues than it is now.

Put it this way: if an English manager had played at Roma for three years, and then wanted to manage Fiorentina, would idiots like Merson be saying he has no experience of Italian football? Merson who, by the way, said that Remi had plain never 'worked' in England before, when he'd actually worked with Merson for a year at Arsenal.

Berks, the lot of 'em.

Sorry Monty, I seriously doubt Merson would know where Italy is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: The Edge on November 07, 2015, 02:34:33 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on November 07, 2015, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 07, 2015, 10:45:14 AM
All of this 'no Premier League experience' guff is really annoying me. Even if we allow that it means anything, Remi has experience of playing in England for three years! And that was back when the English league was an awful lot more different to European leagues than it is now.

Put it this way: if an English manager had played at Roma for three years, and then wanted to manage Fiorentina, would idiots like Merson be saying he has no experience of Italian football? Merson who, by the way, said that Remi had plain never 'worked' in England before, when he'd actually worked with Merson for a year at Arsenal.

Berks, the lot of 'em.

Sorry Monty, I seriously doubt Merson would know where Italy is.
He knows. There's lots of casinos there!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 07, 2015, 02:51:57 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on November 07, 2015, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 07, 2015, 10:45:14 AM
All of this 'no Premier League experience' guff is really annoying me. Even if we allow that it means anything, Remi has experience of playing in England for three years! And that was back when the English league was an awful lot more different to European leagues than it is now.

Put it this way: if an English manager had played at Roma for three years, and then wanted to manage Fiorentina, would idiots like Merson be saying he has no experience of Italian football? Merson who, by the way, said that Remi had plain never 'worked' in England before, when he'd actually worked with Merson for a year at Arsenal.

Berks, the lot of 'em.

Sorry Monty, I seriously doubt Merson would know where Italy is.
He'd probably want to know why Juventus and Torino play in Turin instead of their own towns.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 07, 2015, 03:13:44 PM
In the build up to the Bournemouth v Newcastle match, Glenn Riddersholm, the former FC Midtjylland trainer (the team that knocked Southampton out of the Europa League) was talking about Eddie Howe.
Apparently as soon as Bournemouth's promotion was confirmed, he was off touring mainly Spain and Italy looking at different training regimes and tactical ideas, talking to various coaches looking for ideas and inspiration to improve his own preparations as he knew that what he'd done before was a bit too "traditional English" to give his players anything more than a cup-tie type chance against the better teams.

Riddersholm's closing comment was how refreshing it was to see a British coach going out to see what he could learn from any possible source as the British manager culture was very insular and reluctant to move away from bigger, stronger, faster as their starting point.

I should try and get a copy with subtitles sent to Sky Soccer Saturday or whatever they're called these days.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2015, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 07, 2015, 03:13:44 PM
In the build up to the Bournemouth v Newcastle match, Glenn Riddersholm, the former FC Midtjylland trainer (the team that knocked Southampton out of the Europa League) was talking about Eddie Howe.
Apparently as soon as Bournemouth's promotion was confirmed, he was off touring mainly Spain and Italy looking at different training regimes and tactical ideas, talking to various coaches looking for ideas and inspiration to improve his own preparations as he knew that what he'd done before was a bit too "traditional English" to give his players anything more than a cup-tie type chance against the better teams.

Riddersholm's closing comment was how refreshing it was to see a British coach going out to see what he could learn from any possible source as the British manager culture was very insular and reluctant to move away from bigger, stronger, faster as their starting point.

I should try and get a copy with subtitles sent to Sky Soccer Saturday or whatever they're called these days.

Of all the British managers plying their trade in the PL he has built such a nice looking side. What's going to kill them is the players they have lost and their willingness to spend to get out of trouble. The style of football at Bournemouth is incredibly pleasing to the eye and you can see he is trying to play the game as it should as opposed to desperation stuff. It doesn't surprise me in the least that he might have been open minded enough to look at the wider world for education.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2015, 03:42:28 PM
Carragher's had his say, presumably in his usual 'mosquito with a mouth full of soup' voice:

Quote from: Carragher on November 07, 2015, 12:30:54 PM
"This is not a side who were dragged down by a former manager, it is a poor group of players at a club who have seen Martin O'Neill, Gerard Houllier, Alex McLeish, Paul Lambert and Tim Sherwood come and go in just a few years, which shows where the problems lie."

Where to start? I mean, it's not the same group of players, is it? There's more than a team's worth of new arrivals in the squad this season. What does Veretout or Gana have to do with McLeish or Lambert?

This is the kind of thing which makes me really, really hope that Remi pulls it off, because it would just be great if it became completely obvious to everyone that Sherwood was indeed dragging down a good bunch of players. How will Tim's mates in the media react if we finish 14th? It would surely be too apparent then what a shyster he is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 07, 2015, 03:43:16 PM
I agree TV.

The injuries they've suffered have been ridiculous and would probably drop any team 4-6 places without the option of buying similar quality in January, and that could be what does for them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 07, 2015, 04:05:05 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 07, 2015, 03:42:28 PM
Carragher's had his say, presumably in his usual 'mosquito with a mouth full of soup' voice:

Quote from: Carragher on November 07, 2015, 12:30:54 PM
"This is not a side who were dragged down by a former manager, it is a poor group of players at a club who have seen Martin O'Neill, Gerard Houllier, Alex McLeish, Paul Lambert and Tim Sherwood come and go in just a few years, which shows where the problems lie."

Where to start? I mean, it's not the same group of players, is it? There's more than a team's worth of new arrivals in the squad this season. What does Veretout or Gana have to do with McLeish or Lambert?

This is the kind of thing which makes me really, really hope that Remi pulls it off, because it would just be great if it became completely obvious to everyone that Sherwood was indeed dragging down a good bunch of players. How will Tim's mates in the media react if we finish 14th? It would surely be too apparent then what a shyster he is.

If that was the case (let it be), there would be a less of a focus on how the media were wrong about Sherwood and more about what a miracle worker Garde was and then they would start linking him with 'bigger' clubs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 07, 2015, 04:07:38 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 07, 2015, 03:42:28 PM
Carragher's had his say, presumably in his usual 'mosquito with a mouth full of soup' voice:

Quote from: Carragher on November 07, 2015, 12:30:54 PM
"This is not a side who were dragged down by a former manager, it is a poor group of players at a club who have seen Martin O'Neill, Gerard Houllier, Alex McLeish, Paul Lambert and Tim Sherwood come and go in just a few years, which shows where the problems lie."

Where to start? I mean, it's not the same group of players, is it? There's more than a team's worth of new arrivals in the squad this season. What does Veretout or Gana have to do with McLeish or Lambert?

This is the kind of thing which makes me really, really hope that Remi pulls it off, because it would just be great if it became completely obvious to everyone that Sherwood was indeed dragging down a good bunch of players. How will Tim's mates in the media react if we finish 14th? It would surely be too apparent then what a shyster he is.

Yes Jamie, all those managers are no doubt ripping it up in leagues all over the world now they've been snapped up by clubs more worthy of their considerable talents.

Oh.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 07, 2015, 05:28:07 PM
Quote from: paul_e on November 07, 2015, 12:05:48 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 07, 2015, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 07, 2015, 11:48:43 AM
One of my sons, I can't recall which one, produced that programme with Merson sitting on a purple sofa in the centre circle at VP. He was not averse to using the club of which he is now so critical to help launch his media career.


They should have left the sofa in the centre circle for Westwood to sit on for ninety minutes of every home game.

I've read the transcripts of our new manager's press conference and I was impressed. I have allowed myself to become cautiously optimistic.

See I can let most of the criticism of Westwood go, his defending is pretty iffy and he does play sideways too much and his set pieces are pants but the one thing he has never been is lazy, he covers a hell of a lot of ground trying to be available for the pass and is probably the fittest player in our squad. On the opta stats for the amount of running he's always up at the top and is one of the highest in the league so far this season.  That work rate is why the likes of Sherwood and Lambert rated him so highly.

I wouldn't mind seeing some stats on Westwood because I certainly don't get this impression. I don't think he gets up and down the pitch at all. Most of his movement is in a circle about 10 yards across.

I remember when we played Liverpool, who had Gerrard in that deep quarterback role because his legs had supposedly gone. After the game I had a look at a stats site which showed their heat maps, and while Gerrard had basically popped up left, right and centre, including covering his full-backs, Westwood hardly ever crossed the halfway line and never appeared in any wide position. You could practically have chucked a blanket on the deck and it would have covered his entire movement for the afternoon.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu on November 07, 2015, 06:19:39 PM
Rémi Garde faces an almost impossible mission at Aston Villa (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/07/remi-garde-impossible-mission-aston-villa)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 07, 2015, 06:34:44 PM
Well at least they're not parroting the "Sherwood should have had more time" bollocks.
Gives the challenge some perspective, but I still think it's doable. Not going to be easy, but we'll have a better idea after the Watford game on the 28th.
Right now I'd settle for 4 points out of those 3 games as long as the win is against Watford to keep them around the drop zone.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 07, 2015, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 07, 2015, 06:19:39 PM
Rémi Garde faces an almost impossible mission at Aston Villa (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/07/remi-garde-impossible-mission-aston-villa)
Wow, there's some novel thoughts in that article ...

NOT!!

Do these people get paid for this?!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 07, 2015, 07:42:04 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on November 07, 2015, 05:28:07 PM
Quote from: paul_e on November 07, 2015, 12:05:48 PM
Quote from: Damo70 on November 07, 2015, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: brian green on November 07, 2015, 11:48:43 AM
One of my sons, I can't recall which one, produced that programme with Merson sitting on a purple sofa in the centre circle at VP. He was not averse to using the club of which he is now so critical to help launch his media career.


They should have left the sofa in the centre circle for Westwood to sit on for ninety minutes of every home game.

I've read the transcripts of our new manager's press conference and I was impressed. I have allowed myself to become cautiously optimistic.

See I can let most of the criticism of Westwood go, his defending is pretty iffy and he does play sideways too much and his set pieces are pants but the one thing he has never been is lazy, he covers a hell of a lot of ground trying to be available for the pass and is probably the fittest player in our squad. On the opta stats for the amount of running he's always up at the top and is one of the highest in the league so far this season.  That work rate is why the likes of Sherwood and Lambert rated him so highly.

I wouldn't mind seeing some stats on Westwood because I certainly don't get this impression. I don't think he gets up and down the pitch at all. Most of his movement is in a circle about 10 yards across.

I remember when we played Liverpool, who had Gerrard in that deep quarterback role because his legs had supposedly gone. After the game I had a look at a stats site which showed their heat maps, and while Gerrard had basically popped up left, right and centre, including covering his full-backs, Westwood hardly ever crossed the halfway line and never appeared in any wide position. You could practically have chucked a blanket on the deck and it would have covered his entire movement for the afternoon.

Remember who his manager was at the time though. He was probably told to sit in front of the defence all afternoon.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 07, 2015, 07:44:29 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 07, 2015, 06:34:44 PM
Well at least they're not parroting the "Sherwood should have had more time" bollocks.
Gives the challenge some perspective, but I still think it's doable. Not going to be easy, but we'll have a better idea after the Watford game on the 28th.
Right now I'd settle for 4 points out of those 3 games as long as the win is against Watford to keep them around the drop zone.

One unlikely result that people weren't expecting and suddenly the picture looks very different.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 07, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 07, 2015, 06:19:39 PM
Rémi Garde faces an almost impossible mission at Aston Villa (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/07/remi-garde-impossible-mission-aston-villa)

I don't  like these similar facts arguments and comparisons the people draw, as a single statistical similarity does not make a genuine like for like reflection of what is to come. In a legal context, similar facts defences, similar facts would have to be rapist dressed like Julius Caesar on a skateboard.

Different players, different teams, different circumstances.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on November 07, 2015, 08:49:29 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 07, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 07, 2015, 06:19:39 PM
Rémi Garde faces an almost impossible mission at Aston Villa (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/07/remi-garde-impossible-mission-aston-villa)

I don't  like these similar facts arguments and comparisons the people draw, as a single statistical similarity does not make a genuine like for like reflection of what is to come. In a legal context, similar facts defences, similar facts would have to be rapist dressed like Julius Caesar on a skateboard.

Different players, different teams, different circumstances.
A bit like comparing accident statistics between two companies that produce the same thing without taking into consideration the differences in culture, workload etc.   

You can tell what I've reading all fucking day!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2015, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 07, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 07, 2015, 06:19:39 PM
Rémi Garde faces an almost impossible mission at Aston Villa (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/07/remi-garde-impossible-mission-aston-villa)

I don't  like these similar facts arguments and comparisons the people draw, as a single statistical similarity does not make a genuine like for like reflection of what is to come. In a legal context, similar facts defences, similar facts would have to be rapist dressed like Julius Caesar on a skateboard.

Different players, different teams, different circumstances.

You're going to completely baffle the British football intelligencia with kind of rational thinking Ads. The likes of Carragher, Redknapp and Brazil will simply blow a fuse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 07, 2015, 09:07:57 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 07, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 07, 2015, 06:19:39 PM
Rémi Garde faces an almost impossible mission at Aston Villa (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/07/remi-garde-impossible-mission-aston-villa)

I don't  like these similar facts arguments and comparisons the people draw, as a single statistical similarity does not make a genuine like for like reflection of what is to come. In a legal context, similar facts defences, similar facts would have to be rapist dressed like Julius Caesar on a skateboard.


Sounds like a wrong 'un. Guilty
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 07, 2015, 10:26:28 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2015, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 07, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 07, 2015, 06:19:39 PM
Rémi Garde faces an almost impossible mission at Aston Villa (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/07/remi-garde-impossible-mission-aston-villa)

I don't  like these similar facts arguments and comparisons the people draw, as a single statistical similarity does not make a genuine like for like reflection of what is to come. In a legal context, similar facts defences, similar facts would have to be rapist dressed like Julius Caesar on a skateboard.

Different players, different teams, different circumstances.

You're going to completely baffle the British football intelligencia with kind of rational thinking Ads. The likes of Carragher, Redknapp and Brazil will simply blow a fuse.

Nah, they've all got the same failsafe mode.

If near to a cerebral overload, ignore all sensory inputs, repeat previous point but start with "yes, but...." Change subject as soon as possible and pretend that dangerous "thinking" thing never happened.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 07, 2015, 10:29:08 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 07, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 07, 2015, 06:19:39 PM
Rémi Garde faces an almost impossible mission at Aston Villa (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/07/remi-garde-impossible-mission-aston-villa)

I don't  like these similar facts arguments and comparisons the people draw, as a single statistical similarity does not make a genuine like for like reflection of what is to come. In a legal context, similar facts defences, similar facts would have to be rapist dressed like Julius Caesar on a skateboard.

Different players, different teams, different circumstances.

On a complete tangent at least we get an idea what those legal eagle Christmas parties start to look like after the second round of drinks
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on November 07, 2015, 10:33:59 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 07, 2015, 10:29:08 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 07, 2015, 08:35:02 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 07, 2015, 06:19:39 PM
Rémi Garde faces an almost impossible mission at Aston Villa (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/nov/07/remi-garde-impossible-mission-aston-villa)

I don't  like these similar facts arguments and comparisons the people draw, as a single statistical similarity does not make a genuine like for like reflection of what is to come. In a legal context, similar facts defences, similar facts would have to be rapist dressed like Julius Caesar on a skateboard.

Different players, different teams, different circumstances.

On a complete tangent at least we get an idea what those legal eagle Christmas parties start to look like after the second round of drinks

It doesn't normally even take as long as that...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lizz on November 07, 2015, 10:44:36 PM
There's a legal section where I work. It never ceases to amaze me how many grievances the staff in that section submit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 08, 2015, 09:38:37 AM
My brother in law is a senior partner in a big law firm; whenever I've asked him for advice on law related issues of any kind, the only  thing he's ever said is 'Well, it's my opinion that you need a second opinion.' Marvellous.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 08, 2015, 09:48:42 AM
Over the years I have found that stupid lawyers get you the most favourable results. No offence to lawyers on here who are demonstrably bright but I have found the dumber ones more likely to listen to you rather than dominate you.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sleeuwenhoek on November 08, 2015, 10:04:50 AM
'Well, it's my opinion that you need a second opinion.'.............That'll be £500 please; just from recent experience like!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2015, 03:22:11 PM
Fuck me. What a gamelan Remi. Well done.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KRS on November 08, 2015, 03:27:23 PM
We wouldn't have got anything out of todays games under Sherwood...to pick the team he did, change the tactics, get us playing football and looking solid against Man City in his first game is excellent work from Garde.

This man will keep us up comfortably.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2015, 03:27:49 PM
I've got a Remi semi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2015, 03:28:23 PM
Well that's shamed pretty much every pundit and media out let. Good work Remi and good work those players who apparently 'aren't good enough'.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2015, 03:28:26 PM
Quote from: LeeB on November 08, 2015, 03:27:49 PM
I've got a Remi semi.

He's making me Garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2015, 03:31:45 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2015, 03:28:26 PM
Quote from: LeeB on November 08, 2015, 03:27:49 PM
I've got a Remi semi.

He's making me Garde

He's got me pulling in his direction already.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2015, 03:39:00 PM
Quote from: LeeB on November 08, 2015, 03:31:45 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2015, 03:28:26 PM
Quote from: LeeB on November 08, 2015, 03:27:49 PM
I've got a Remi semi.

He's making me Garde

He's got me pulling in his direction already.

I'm glad we didn't choke on his debut today.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Doorbell on November 08, 2015, 03:44:16 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2015, 03:28:23 PM
Well that's shamed pretty much every pundit and media out let. Good work Remi and good work those players who apparently 'aren't good enough'.

Souness seemed lost for words, his tiny little mind blown because the result didn't go the way he wanted or expected. Henry was far more complementary.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Boz on November 08, 2015, 04:26:22 PM
Glad we have Remi before today's BBC forecast that Moyes is likely to be sacked after another turgid display by his team on Friday. I'm sure there would have been many calling for him to replace Sherwood.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 08, 2015, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on November 08, 2015, 03:44:16 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2015, 03:28:23 PM
Well that's shamed pretty much every pundit and media out let. Good work Remi and good work those players who apparently 'aren't good enough'.

Souness seemed lost for words, his tiny little mind blown because the result didn't go the way he wanted or expected. Henry was far more complementary.

Henry is going to be our favourite pundit soon I think. I didn't see him after the game but he was positive beforehand too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2015, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 08, 2015, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on November 08, 2015, 03:44:16 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2015, 03:28:23 PM
Well that's shamed pretty much every pundit and media out let. Good work Remi and good work those players who apparently 'aren't good enough'.

Souness seemed lost for words, his tiny little mind blown because the result didn't go the way he wanted or expected. Henry was far more complementary.

Henry is going to be our favourite pundit soon I think. I didn't see him after the game but he was positive beforehand too.

And he's well fit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2015, 05:00:32 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2015, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on November 08, 2015, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: Doorbell on November 08, 2015, 03:44:16 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2015, 03:28:23 PM
Well that's shamed pretty much every pundit and media out let. Good work Remi and good work those players who apparently 'aren't good enough'.

Souness seemed lost for words, his tiny little mind blown because the result didn't go the way he wanted or expected. Henry was far more complementary.

Henry is going to be our favourite pundit soon I think. I didn't see him after the game but he was positive beforehand too.

And he's well fit.

Yes I agree. He'd certainly be an upgrade on our current strikers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2015, 05:04:10 PM
Fucking right. My missus wouldn't touch Gabby with yours!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt Collins on November 08, 2015, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: KRS on November 08, 2015, 03:27:23 PM
We wouldn't have got anything out of todays games under Sherwood...to pick the team he did, change the tactics, get us playing football and looking solid against Man City in his first game is excellent work from Garde.

This man will keep us up comfortably.

Hmm. We're five points off safety. It's going to have to be good form - about 1.3 or 1.4 points per game until the end of the season. You generally need ten wins to stay up and we've got one.

That's just about top half form. This isn't a top half squad,  so I still think the odds are against us. It's doable of course. But pretty damn tough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 08, 2015, 05:35:46 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on November 08, 2015, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: KRS on November 08, 2015, 03:27:23 PM
We wouldn't have got anything out of todays games under Sherwood...to pick the team he did, change the tactics, get us playing football and looking solid against Man City in his first game is excellent work from Garde.

This man will keep us up comfortably.

Hmm. We're five points off safety. It's going to have to be good form - about 1.3 or 1.4 points per game until the end of the season. You generally need ten wins to stay up and we've got one.

That's just about top half form. This isn't a top half squad,  so I still think the odds are against us. It's doable of course. But pretty damn tough.

I don't buy this over-analysis of it.

We're 4 points from safety. That is the sort of thing that can change in the space of two games. It is only early November.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 08, 2015, 05:42:44 PM
I see Remi has a bit of Wenger in him as he didn't see the Gestede hart throw in incident!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt Collins on November 08, 2015, 05:42:49 PM
I'd feel better if two of the three teams within reach weren't Chelsea and Newcastle. Watford for example are 11 points ahead of us. Even Norwich are 7. I'd fancy one of them to go on a stinker of a run at some point - hopefully it's norwich. Pick up a surprise win at Goodson or beat Watford and I'll start to believe a bit more. the Watford game is going to me massive
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 08, 2015, 05:44:34 PM
We now have a 26 game season were we need to get 5 more points than 3 other teams. We don't need to turn into Barcelona, just a solid PL side.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 08, 2015, 05:47:10 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on November 08, 2015, 05:42:49 PM
I'd feel better if two of the three teams within reach weren't Chelsea and Newcastle. Watford for example are 11 points ahead of us. Even Norwich are 7. I'd fancy one of them to go on a stinker of a run at some point - hopefully it's norwich. Pick up a surprise win at Goodson or beat Watford and I'll start to believe a bit more. the Watford game is going to me massive

You're right, we should just accept that we'll be down come the end of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 08, 2015, 05:47:21 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on November 08, 2015, 05:42:49 PM
I'd feel better if two of the three teams within reach weren't Chelsea and Newcastle. Watford for example are 11 points ahead of us. Even Norwich are 7. I'd fancy one of them to go on a stinker of a run at some point - hopefully it's norwich. Pick up a surprise win at Goodson or beat Watford and I'll start to believe a bit more. the Watford game is going to me massive
Other teams, other than Chelsea, will come down towards bottom 3. I expect both Watford and Norwich to have  many runs of 6/7 games where they don't win.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 08, 2015, 05:49:27 PM
It took him less than a week to field a side that Sherwood was too fucking stupid to work out would give us the right kind of balance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2015, 05:51:36 PM
Yep and got a point against the best side in the country. That's pretty remarkable. With more time to work he'll have us winning games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt Collins on November 08, 2015, 05:52:05 PM
I agree, I think they both will. Watford, palace and Leicester have all got a lot of breathing space. I think Sunderland may struggle even under allardyce and Bournemouth too. It is doable. But if we don't do it it won't necessarily make garde the wrong choice.

If we get a premier league proven striker in January that would help massively. Or if one of our existing ones steps up a lot. I quite like Ayew but don't think he's the man to play that role.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 08, 2015, 05:57:38 PM
I still believe that at least 3 clubs have worse squads than us, and we no longer have the Sherwood drag factor.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Somniloquism on November 08, 2015, 06:16:09 PM
Quote
"Some of the players who didn't start today had problems during the week. Nobody will play because he's French or Spanish or British. I saw in training how good or bad they were."

Interesting quote after the match.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2015, 06:31:42 PM
Quote from: Somniloquism on November 08, 2015, 06:16:09 PM
Quote
"Some of the players who didn't start today had problems during the week. Nobody will play because he's French or Spanish or British. I saw in training how good or bad they were."

Interesting quote after the match.

Yes that is interesting and good message to the squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on November 08, 2015, 06:40:48 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on November 08, 2015, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: KRS on November 08, 2015, 03:27:23 PM
We wouldn't have got anything out of todays games under Sherwood...to pick the team he did, change the tactics, get us playing football and looking solid against Man City in his first game is excellent work from Garde.

This man will keep us up comfortably.

Hmm. We're five points off safety. It's going to have to be good form - about 1.3 or 1.4 points per game until the end of the season. You generally need ten wins to stay up and we've got one.

That's just about top half form. This isn't a top half squad,  so I still think the odds are against us. It's doable of course. But pretty damn tough.

Fortunately half the league is  composed of squads that aren't "top half" which makes me think we've got a great chance of climbing the table.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 08, 2015, 06:47:26 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 08, 2015, 05:57:38 PM
I still believe that at least 3 clubs have worse squads than us, and we no longer have the Sherwood drag factor.

Agreed, by a wide margin as well.

The biggest problem we have is those inferior squads have a signficiant points lead on us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 08, 2015, 06:49:28 PM
All we did was give them a head start to keep it interesting!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 08, 2015, 06:54:05 PM
Sporting of us!  ;D
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KRS on November 08, 2015, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 08, 2015, 05:35:46 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on November 08, 2015, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: KRS on November 08, 2015, 03:27:23 PM
We wouldn't have got anything out of todays games under Sherwood...to pick the team he did, change the tactics, get us playing football and looking solid against Man City in his first game is excellent work from Garde.

This man will keep us up comfortably.

Hmm. We're five points off safety. It's going to have to be good form - about 1.3 or 1.4 points per game until the end of the season. You generally need ten wins to stay up and we've got one.

That's just about top half form. This isn't a top half squad,  so I still think the odds are against us. It's doable of course. But pretty damn tough.

I don't buy this over-analysis of it.

We're 4 points from safety. That is the sort of thing that can change in the space of two games. It is only early November.
Our next 3 games are Everton, Watford and Southampton. If you take into consideration the fixtures of the 3 teams above and if we get 4 or 5 pts from those 3 games then the 5pt gap will be significantly reduced already.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2015, 07:19:52 PM
Game plan was very good today, we had a structure at long last 1-11.

Need to keep that standard and organisation up and surely we can beat some of the bottom half teams in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 08, 2015, 07:22:41 PM
May as well put it here as well as the post-match thread

OS

Quote
Rémi Garde spoke to the press after the solid point against Man City.

Find his comments below.

On the point…

I am pleased for the players because they worked very hard.

They have worked very well since the start of the week.

They were rewarded with this good point.

On what he's worked on this past week…

I have worked on many parts.

Every manager has his own view on football. You also have to adapt to the players you have - and the qualities they have.

So I tried to find the best solution for today's game.

Maybe next time will be different.

On moving forward…

It gives us something to build on.

We got a clean sheet against such a good team, such good players all over the field.

That means we should be a little bit more confident next time.

It was a good occasion to do it.

We have been a bit lucky of course because they touched the bar. We didn't create so many chances, I know that.

But it was City - and a City full of confidence.

They had a brilliant, brilliant game in Sevilla, which is a good team.

I thought it was a good point to work on.

On his emotions…

I was not frustrated not to get the three points.

I am realistic.

It's quite a good start.

On Carles Gil…

For me Carles can be very useful for the team.

Today was a good game for him.

He had a lot of defensive work to do and he did it very well.

He has to carry on like all the other players.

On Jordan Veretout…

Jordan didn't play for a few weeks so I wasn't sure he could go until the end. I think he had cramp at the end.

Ashley Westwood was not in the group because he suffered a bad kick on Monday. He didn't train this week.

Ashley could have played as well.

On rising confidence…

We have very good players in this group.

We have to believe we can be safe. It will be a tough mission.

Let's see what will happen.

On getting a bit of luck against City…

You have to be lucky also, of course.

But to be lucky you have to work hard.

Luck is not coming knocking on your door, saying 'I'm here.'

You create that - that situation and the behavior to get lucky.

It would have been very disappointing for us not to get a point.

On scoring more goals…

I am not crazy. I am quite realistic about the team we played against today.

I was not expecting three or four goals from my team to be fair because we played Manchester City. City is top of the table.

We will work hard to score goals of course.

It's step by step.

On the international break…

There are a lot that will leave.

It would have been better for me to have all the group on training sessions for the two weeks.

I will adapt. We will work hard with the players that are there.

It's the same for all the teams so I am not complaining.

On Charles N'Zogbia…

I think Charles is an interesting player.

He was quite okay on the training sessions and I thought he could be useful for the team. That's it.

Maybe next week it will be another. I don't know.

On Brad Guzan's save from Raheem Sterling's header…

I will ask Tony Parks if that was in the training session!

On Gabby Agbonlahor's absence…

Gabby was off at half-time with a calf injury at Tottenham.

He was in treatment all week. He was not fit to play today.

Let's see how the injury is going.

But he was in the dressing room with all the lads and hopefully he will be fit soon.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2015, 07:26:13 PM
Pipe down with that Gabby and Westwood might've been involved if fit comments Monsieur! ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on November 08, 2015, 07:38:13 PM
Love the crack about goalkeeping training with Tony Parks!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 08, 2015, 08:27:54 PM
Gabby had medical attention in the week.  He had a jaw clamp fitted.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on November 08, 2015, 08:41:45 PM
Yes N'Zogbia certainly is an interesting player..
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 08, 2015, 09:07:40 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 08, 2015, 08:27:54 PM
Gabby had medical attention in the week.  He had a jaw clamp fitted.

And a chastity belt.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2015, 09:09:53 PM
I am picturing him saying all that whilst he is being filmed in black and white, smoking a Gauloises and shrugging his shoulders.  A masterclass in insouciance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 08, 2015, 09:14:36 PM
If he has a cigarette, purely for dramatic integrity, it will be on of the Camels he has confiscated off Jordan Vertout.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 08, 2015, 11:50:16 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2015, 07:26:13 PM
Pipe down with that Gabby and Westwood might've been involved if fit comments Monsieur! ;)

Probably just means they would have been on the bench. Good man-management to say that but he was very quick to work out the right side and tactics to use and to organise them. No messing about for 10 games and making comments about how he'll keep changing things until he finds the right combination or anything so stupid.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on November 08, 2015, 11:56:27 PM
I genuinely think he needs to take the opportunity in this break to improve the overall fitness of the squad.  It was in one paper today that up to this weekend, we had covered the least ground of any top flight team this season.  When you factor in the number of late goals we have conceded then there is obviously an issue.  I think there will be some hard work at Bodymoor Heath over the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 09, 2015, 12:05:49 AM
I like his calmness I hope it continues.  He obviously likes to keep things simple.

I just hope I'm not hearing Gerry Sinstadt saying the following on an updated version of our history dvd.

'The promise of his debut wasn't sustained.'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 09, 2015, 12:40:05 AM
This chap looks and sounds like a pro.
I am impressed and I look forward to him building this team.
Great result to start and a complete contrast to the shambles that has gone on before.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FrankyH on November 09, 2015, 07:48:47 AM
He don't speak French, He just lets the Funky Football do the talking,talking.

I'll get me coat....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 09, 2015, 09:32:47 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 08, 2015, 11:56:27 PM
I genuinely think he needs to take the opportunity in this break to improve the overall fitness of the squad.  It was in one paper today that up to this weekend, we had covered the least ground of any top flight team this season.  When you factor in the number of late goals we have conceded then there is obviously an issue.  I think there will be some hard work at Bodymoor Heath over the next couple of weeks.

It was most noticeable with Amavi with 15 minutes remaining. He had very little left in him.  Thankfully we were organized enough to put more bodies down that side when it mattered.

Is it because we were doing so much defending that we ran out of steam?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 09, 2015, 09:49:06 AM
that and lack of fitness maybe, but fuck knows what most of this squad were - or were not - doing from June until now. Seems to me that training generally ay BH has been pretty ineffective for some time. Hopefully Leverene can sort them out. Some of them look 'fagged' out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on November 09, 2015, 10:04:22 AM
What Remi Garde needs is  for Adama to be a factor in his revival. He possibly needs a goalkeeper and a centre forward. Both are at Norwich. Ruddy is commanding and consistent. Cameron Jerome works like trojan by himself. He may not score many goals but he can hold the ball up and lay it off to those who can. A cracking team player.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on November 09, 2015, 10:07:24 AM
Just watch the MOTD highlights. Loved the little moment Garde had with himself at the end of the game. A silent double fist clench until Pellegrini came across to shake his hand.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on November 09, 2015, 10:08:27 AM
Quote
I genuinely think he needs to take the opportunity in this break to improve the overall fitness of the squad. 

You're not going to fix that in two weeks - thats a 6 month job that. 3 month's minimum before you start to see any real improvement.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 09, 2015, 10:10:53 AM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on November 09, 2015, 10:08:27 AM
Quote
I genuinely think he needs to take the opportunity in this break to improve the overall fitness of the squad. 

You're not going to fix that in two weeks - thats a 6 month job that. 3 month's minimum before you start to see any real improvement.

Get the fat bastards running up and down the steps of the Holte
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 09, 2015, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on November 09, 2015, 10:10:53 AM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on November 09, 2015, 10:08:27 AM
Quote
I genuinely think he needs to take the opportunity in this break to improve the overall fitness of the squad. 

You're not going to fix that in two weeks - thats a 6 month job that. 3 month's minimum before you start to see any real improvement.

Get the fat bastards running up and down the steps of the Holte

Get them to jog over to the Sty and show them what failure looks like.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 09, 2015, 10:27:44 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on November 09, 2015, 10:04:22 AM
Cameron Jerome works like trojan by himself. He may not score many goals but he can hold the ball up and lay it off to those who can. A cracking team player.

*alarmed face*

When we bring in a striker, it'll be somebody a lot better than Cameron Jerome.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 09, 2015, 10:47:49 AM
Jerome Cameron sounds a bit more French?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sc00by555 on November 09, 2015, 11:03:49 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 08, 2015, 11:56:27 PM
I genuinely think he needs to take the opportunity in this break to improve the overall fitness of the squad.  It was in one paper today that up to this weekend, we had covered the least ground of any top flight team this season.  When you factor in the number of late goals we have conceded then there is obviously an issue.  I think there will be some hard work at Bodymoor Heath over the next couple of weeks.

Apparently versus Man City, the workrate has improved already – outrunning them by 1.9km according to this article (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12799/10061270/aston-villa-0-0-manchester-city-positive-signs-for-remi-garde).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 09, 2015, 12:12:59 PM
Quote from: sc00by555 on November 09, 2015, 11:03:49 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 08, 2015, 11:56:27 PM
I genuinely think he needs to take the opportunity in this break to improve the overall fitness of the squad.  It was in one paper today that up to this weekend, we had covered the least ground of any top flight team this season.  When you factor in the number of late goals we have conceded then there is obviously an issue.  I think there will be some hard work at Bodymoor Heath over the next couple of weeks.

Apparently versus Man City, the workrate has improved already – outrunning them by 1.9km according to this article (http://"http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12799/10061270/aston-villa-0-0-manchester-city-positive-signs-for-remi-garde").

I'm interested in reading that but the link's not working for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: onje_villa on November 09, 2015, 12:15:40 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12799/10061270/aston-villa-0-0-manchester-city-positive-signs-for-remi-garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 09, 2015, 12:51:14 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on November 09, 2015, 12:15:40 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12799/10061270/aston-villa-0-0-manchester-city-positive-signs-for-remi-garde

Good stuff, thanks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 09, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
What I liked about his interview is he discussed the team. He talked through how and why he wanted a certain shape to the midfield, how we were attempting to play the game. No sound bites, no excuses, nothing about Remi Garde, he talked about our football team clearly, it's only been a week but I'm 100% certain he will get his message across to the players.

I know we've been saying it for a few years now but if we can just survive this year from the mess we've started next year I know we will kick on under this guy, It might be desperation but I think he's the real deal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 09, 2015, 01:41:38 PM
From F365's "Winners & Losers" column:

Quote
Remi Garde and another way
 A monumental difference in performance and mood. From the chalk of Tim Sherwood’s white cliffs of Dover to Remi Garde’s French cheese.

If the national stereotypes feel too strong, they are appropriate at least this once. Remi Garde took his first opportunity to bring back Aston Villa’s continental brigade back into the first team, and they performed admirably against the league leaders. Jordan Amavi, Idrissa Gana, Jordan Veretout, Carlos Sanchez, Carles Gil, Jordan Ayew. Even Charles N’Zogbia played a part!

Villa may have offered little in attack, but they survived the Manchester City onslaught. It’s been a long time since Villa’s underbelly was anything other than squidgy soft. A run of seven consecutive Premier League defeats has, finally, come to an end.

This was an instant improvement. Gone was the tactical vacuum of Sherwood’s dice-rolling defence and midfield, replaced by a coherent plan to stop the division’s most potent attacking midfield. How weird that those useless French players Sherwood shunned instantly improved the side in his absence.

It’s not difficult to want Garde to do well, introduced against a backdrop of unfair mistrust. Think I’m overstating that mood? Here’s Charlie Wyett in The Sun on Thursday afternoon: ‘Now, Aston Villa will be joining Sunderland in the Championship after the ridiculous decision to appoint Remi Garde.’ He hadn’t even had a single match in charge.

Villa’s new manager still has an immense task on his hands to keep the club in the Premier League, but let’s not pretend that he isn’t better equipped than his predecessor. Villa Park enjoyed their first evidence of the changing of the Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on November 09, 2015, 01:55:04 PM
I reckon we're going to be a decent side away from home under him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 09, 2015, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on November 09, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
What I liked about his interview is he discussed the team. He talked through how and why he wanted a certain shape to the midfield, how we were attempting to play the game. No sound bites, no excuses, nothing about Remi Garde, he talked about our football team clearly, it's only been a week but I'm 100% certain he will get his message across to the players.

I know we've been saying it for a few years now but if we can just survive this year from the mess we've started next year I know we will kick on under this guy, It might be desperation but I think he's the real deal.
Only 3 training sessions with the squad and he's already picking a better team, organising it, improving it - work rate and accuracy of passing - and talking common sense.


Am I dreaming?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on November 09, 2015, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 09, 2015, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on November 09, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
What I liked about his interview is he discussed the team. He talked through how and why he wanted a certain shape to the midfield, how we were attempting to play the game. No sound bites, no excuses, nothing about Remi Garde, he talked about our football team clearly, it's only been a week but I'm 100% certain he will get his message across to the players.

I know we've been saying it for a few years now but if we can just survive this year from the mess we've started next year I know we will kick on under this guy, It might be desperation but I think he's the real deal.
Only 3 training sessions with the squad and he's already picking a better team, organising it, improving it - work rate and accuracy of passing - and talking common sense.


Am I dreaming?

Not wanting to piss on anyone's bonfire but we were all marveling at the change under Sherwood after a quick chat at half time against Leicester.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on November 09, 2015, 03:55:30 PM
Yes, good point.  It looks hopeful, but I do think people re going way over the top at this point.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: placeforparks on November 09, 2015, 04:11:02 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on November 09, 2015, 03:55:30 PM
Yes, good point.  It looks hopeful, but I do think people re going way over the top at this point.

don't worry. if he doesn't beat watford at home next game, everyone will have the knives out!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 09, 2015, 05:51:15 PM
I've been getting into a row with a Spurs fan I know who said we were basically terrible and our football is a blight on the top flight. Spurs fans are utter morons!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 09, 2015, 05:55:27 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 09, 2015, 05:51:15 PM
I've been getting into a row with a Spurs fan I know who said we were basically terrible and our football is a blight on the top flight. Spurs fans are utter morons!

Just tell him to fuck off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 09, 2015, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 09, 2015, 05:51:15 PM
I've been getting into a row with a Spurs fan I know who said we were basically terrible and our football is a blight on the top flight.

You should have said "Do keep up! That is SO last week."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on November 09, 2015, 05:57:21 PM
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Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 09, 2015, 06:01:29 PM
Unfortunately I tried logic, which he seemed to struggle with.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 09, 2015, 06:15:29 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 09, 2015, 05:51:15 PM
I've been getting into a row with a Spurs fan I know who said we were basically terrible and our football is a blight on the top flight. Spurs fans are utter morons!

I think the comeback you are looking for is

'Yes, but at least I'm not a Spurs wanker'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 09, 2015, 06:30:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 09, 2015, 01:41:38 PM
From F365's "Winners & Losers" column:

Quote
Remi Garde and another way
 A monumental difference in performance and mood. From the chalk of Tim Sherwood’s white cliffs of Dover to Remi Garde’s French cheese.

If the national stereotypes feel too strong, they are appropriate at least this once. Remi Garde took his first opportunity to bring back Aston Villa’s continental brigade back into the first team, and they performed admirably against the league leaders. Jordan Amavi, Idrissa Gana, Jordan Veretout, Carlos Sanchez, Carles Gil, Jordan Ayew. Even Charles N’Zogbia played a part!

Villa may have offered little in attack, but they survived the Manchester City onslaught. It’s been a long time since Villa’s underbelly was anything other than squidgy soft. A run of seven consecutive Premier League defeats has, finally, come to an end.

This was an instant improvement. Gone was the tactical vacuum of Sherwood’s dice-rolling defence and midfield, replaced by a coherent plan to stop the division’s most potent attacking midfield. How weird that those useless French players Sherwood shunned instantly improved the side in his absence.

It’s not difficult to want Garde to do well, introduced against a backdrop of unfair mistrust. Think I’m overstating that mood? Here’s Charlie Wyett in The Sun on Thursday afternoon: ‘Now, Aston Villa will be joining Sunderland in the Championship after the ridiculous decision to appoint Remi Garde.’ He hadn’t even had a single match in charge.

Villa’s new manager still has an immense task on his hands to keep the club in the Premier League, but let’s not pretend that he isn’t better equipped than his predecessor. Villa Park enjoyed their first evidence of the changing of the Garde.


Changing of the Garde? Bastard, I did that gag first in H+V!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Quiet Lion on November 09, 2015, 07:42:20 PM
Article in Four Four Two on the Xenophobia in the English game.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/how-misplaced-xenophobia-still-damages-english-football#:VrKhfZQj_-/AOA
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 09, 2015, 07:52:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 09, 2015, 06:01:29 PM
Unfortunately I tried logic, which he seemed to struggle with.

Yup, that would be a spurs fan.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 09, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
Quote from: not3bad on November 09, 2015, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 09, 2015, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on November 09, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
What I liked about his interview is he discussed the team. He talked through how and why he wanted a certain shape to the midfield, how we were attempting to play the game. No sound bites, no excuses, nothing about Remi Garde, he talked about our football team clearly, it's only been a week but I'm 100% certain he will get his message across to the players.

I know we've been saying it for a few years now but if we can just survive this year from the mess we've started next year I know we will kick on under this guy, It might be desperation but I think he's the real deal.
Only 3 training sessions with the squad and he's already picking a better team, organising it, improving it - work rate and accuracy of passing - and talking common sense.


Am I dreaming?

Not wanting to piss on anyone's bonfire but we were all marveling at the change under Sherwood after a quick chat at half time against Leicester.
Hence my question.
The midfield selection alone is what a lot on here wanted to see...and that's what he selected. Most of us believed we had decent players who needed organising and setting up "properly", which Garde clearly did. Most of us could see that playing Gil gave us an extra dimension. Garde selected him. We could all see that Gabby needed "resting". Garde did so.
Sherwood - nor MacDonald - did any of those things.
It ain't very often that a manager does the things the fans think they know need doing, and it works.

I think the fact that we actually played pretty well at times offered a massive sense of relief and gave signs that it can be built on through Garde's apparent calm and measured approach rather than Timmy's bluff and bluster.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 09, 2015, 08:00:48 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on November 09, 2015, 06:30:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 09, 2015, 01:41:38 PM
From F365's "Winners & Losers" column:

Quote
Remi Garde and another way
 A monumental difference in performance and mood. From the chalk of Tim Sherwood’s white cliffs of Dover to Remi Garde’s French cheese.

If the national stereotypes feel too strong, they are appropriate at least this once. Remi Garde took his first opportunity to bring back Aston Villa’s continental brigade back into the first team, and they performed admirably against the league leaders. Jordan Amavi, Idrissa Gana, Jordan Veretout, Carlos Sanchez, Carles Gil, Jordan Ayew. Even Charles N’Zogbia played a part!

Villa may have offered little in attack, but they survived the Manchester City onslaught. It’s been a long time since Villa’s underbelly was anything other than squidgy soft. A run of seven consecutive Premier League defeats has, finally, come to an end.

This was an instant improvement. Gone was the tactical vacuum of Sherwood’s dice-rolling defence and midfield, replaced by a coherent plan to stop the division’s most potent attacking midfield. How weird that those useless French players Sherwood shunned instantly improved the side in his absence.

It’s not difficult to want Garde to do well, introduced against a backdrop of unfair mistrust. Think I’m overstating that mood? Here’s Charlie Wyett in The Sun on Thursday afternoon: ‘Now, Aston Villa will be joining Sunderland in the Championship after the ridiculous decision to appoint Remi Garde.’ He hadn’t even had a single match in charge.

Villa’s new manager still has an immense task on his hands to keep the club in the Premier League, but let’s not pretend that he isn’t better equipped than his predecessor. Villa Park enjoyed their first evidence of the changing of the Garde.


Changing of the Garde? Bastard, I did that gag first in H+V!


That's interesting from pea brained Wyett. Presumably his slight on Garde is because he's foreign and therefore Wyett hasn't bothered to do any research and has just given into the jingoistic cliches that are awash within the media. But at the same time he lumps us in with Sunderland, who have a manager that Wyett no doubt assumes would be the sort to save Villa. What a confused and inconsistent cretin.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2015, 08:17:10 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on November 09, 2015, 07:42:20 PM
Article in Four Four Two on the Xenophobia in the English game.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/how-misplaced-xenophobia-still-damages-english-football#:VrKhfZQj_-/AOA

Interesting. Thanks.

While I was reading it I was listening to 5 Live and it struck me quite how backward the media & ex-pro nexus is in English football. It's fucking ludicrous. They were talking about Patrick Vieira going to manage in New York and Henry Winter - who I'm given to understand is one of our leading football writers - essentially called Arsenal a bunch of ****** for not employing Vieira and 'developing' him in the way City have.

Why the fuck should Arsenal have kept someone in employment in perpetuity?! A player who fucked off and left them for Juventus (I think)!

It staggers me. Sections of the media decide in advance that certain players will make good managers in future - Bryan Robson, Stuart Pearce, Gareth Southgate etc - so there's a clamour for them to be 'groomed'. Obviously they all, without exception, turn out to be Blues. How come they don't advocate a meritocracy in those cases?!

Fucking mindbending.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2015, 08:26:40 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 09, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
Quote from: not3bad on November 09, 2015, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 09, 2015, 02:20:24 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on November 09, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
What I liked about his interview is he discussed the team. He talked through how and why he wanted a certain shape to the midfield, how we were attempting to play the game. No sound bites, no excuses, nothing about Remi Garde, he talked about our football team clearly, it's only been a week but I'm 100% certain he will get his message across to the players.

I know we've been saying it for a few years now but if we can just survive this year from the mess we've started next year I know we will kick on under this guy, It might be desperation but I think he's the real deal.
Only 3 training sessions with the squad and he's already picking a better team, organising it, improving it - work rate and accuracy of passing - and talking common sense.


Am I dreaming?

Not wanting to piss on anyone's bonfire but we were all marveling at the change under Sherwood after a quick chat at half time against Leicester.
Hence my question.
The midfield selection alone is what a lot on here wanted to see...and that's what he selected. Most of us believed we had decent players who needed organising and setting up "properly", which Garde clearly did. Most of us could see that playing Gil gave us an extra dimension. Garde selected him. We could all see that Gabby needed "resting". Garde did so.
Sherwood - nor MacDonald - did any of those things.
It ain't very often that a manager does the things the fans think they know need doing, and it works.

I think the fact that we actually played pretty well at times offered a massive sense of relief and gave signs that it can be built on through Garde's apparent calm and measured approach rather than Timmy's bluff and bluster.



When it happens it's invariably because it's painfully obvious and it's hard to work out how the manager couldn't see it.  Amavi ahead of Richardson is about the clearest case of that you'll ever see, I can't work out how anyone could fail to spot that, Amavi has all the makings of being a top class fullback, and we dropped him for a guy who's working his retirement.  1 game as a wake up because he'd made a couple of defensive mistakes I could live with but to extend it to 3-4 games was just pathetic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 09, 2015, 08:28:07 PM
Yeah it is a good read.

The key bit of data I focus on is how British managers are generally just not good enough to compete overseas and yet we are expected to hire them into the Premier league which is of similar if not higher quality.

How many big clubs in Spain, Italy, France or Germany are managed by British managers? Yet those countries have no problem bringing on foreign managers of other nations?

It didn't used to be this way but to me the facts are obvious. The talent level of British managers is in a down turn right now. Hopefully there will be a new era coming soon but as of now they just are not good enough to compete with the talent level of other countries. The stereotype of the power vs skill British style has truth to it. Until our managers start to embrace a more modern style they will remain less employable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2015, 08:44:57 PM
British managers, in general, are out of date.  They're still managing teams like the ones they played in in the 80s and 90s, so it's all 'up and at em', british bulldog passion.  It worked in the past because, in my opinion, we had players that were stronger and faster than most clubs in europe and we'd just run them into the ground.  The increased fitness levels and better protection from referees have nullified that to the point where now you genuinely need to pick out weaknesses and strengths in the opposition and play to those, for example we completely closed down Toure yesterday, you can't do that purely by hard work.

The worst thing is I think Sherwood understood the value of coaching, and built a big backroom team because of that, but I don't think he knew what he wanted to do with all those coaches and all the analysis he was getting so it generally all looked muddled.  The appalling substitutions for most of his time here back that up, he could see the need for a change but just didn't have the intelligence or experience to know what to change.  If he wasn't such a egotistical knob he could probably get a job abroad for a couple of years as an assistant and develop into a decent manager but I don't think it will happen and he'll probably largely disappear now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on November 09, 2015, 08:54:00 PM
i think it was danny kelly the other night who did a good piece on the fact that most british managers in the pl are rubbish



Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on November 09, 2015, 09:35:37 PM
The thing that gets me about the specifically English football press is their hypocrisy as well as xenophobia.  I've listened to them go on about how there should be more black managers in the game yet every time I look at the press pack following the England football team I am struck by the number of middle class, middle-aged white men given the plum writing gigs. From the outside looking in, it seems to me they very much need to get their own house in order.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 09, 2015, 09:41:43 PM
The reason they prefer British managers is because they already have their phone numbers. Hiring somebody from abroad means starting from scratch.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Boz on November 10, 2015, 10:38:50 AM
Good job we appointed Remi before Moyes got the bullet, otherwise there would have been a clamour for him from the media. After the great success he achieved in Spain.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on November 10, 2015, 10:56:48 AM
I often read comments on here similar to "Of course, Ligue 1 is such an inferior league, isn't it?" It is funny how that competition loses most of its best players to the moneybags leagues yet it maintains high standards of youth development, coaching, tactics and education.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2015, 11:10:56 AM
Quote from: Bad English on November 10, 2015, 10:56:48 AM
I often read comments on here similar to "Of course, Ligue 1 is such an inferior league, isn't it?" It is funny how that competition loses most of its best players to the moneybags leagues yet it maintains high standards of youth development, coaching, tactics and education.

And it's funny that it's so bad, because if it is, how come the Premier League keep chucking cash at it to bring in its players, managers and staff?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on November 10, 2015, 11:46:01 AM
To few clubs in this country have a proper structure and ethos to which they wish they club to be recognised, Swansea, Southampton to an extent being a good example.

Where there is alot of money available this can be hidden, as in Chavski, how many managers have they gone through.

In the Premier league it is all about the here and now, so development of youth takes a back seat, as can be seen with our current youth teams, was it only a few years ago we were all shouting about how great our set up for youth was, but how many players have come through and made a mark in the first team, even  Jack has not done it over a sustained period and I have a horrible feeling with Jack, that we will get about the same as we did out of Lee Hendrie, hope and pray I am wrong on that one.
British managers on the whole do not strive to put in place a long term strategy, so it really has to be up to the clubs to develop this model not left in the hands of the manager.
We need stability attached to an improvement in results and be allowed to go about our business in a calm and thoughtful way, I now think we may have found the character to achieve this, whilst working within a frame work that will allow for as little disruption as possible if it does not garner the results required, but yet again only time will tell.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 10, 2015, 11:57:34 AM
Quote from: Boz on November 10, 2015, 10:38:50 AM
Good job we appointed Remi before Moyes got the bullet, otherwise there would have been a clamour for him from the media. After the great success he achieved in Spain.
Precisely what I thought too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 10, 2015, 12:01:49 PM
You are correct Kuwait but the neglect of young player development is in my view a reflection of society as a whole. Everything has to be immediate. People are urged down a path of impatience and acceptance of the second rate. Quick is good, slow is bad. In my youth an apprenticeship in Birmingham lasted from leaving school at 15 until your 21st birthday (or 23rd if you had done National Service). These days an apprenticeship lasts 6 months and can be as non trades related as being a shop assistant. Nothing against shop assistants just that training is being devalued. Football included.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 10, 2015, 12:07:07 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2015, 08:17:10 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on November 09, 2015, 07:42:20 PM
Article in Four Four Two on the Xenophobia in the English game.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/how-misplaced-xenophobia-still-damages-english-football#:VrKhfZQj_-/AOA

Interesting. Thanks.

While I was reading it I was listening to 5 Live and it struck me quite how backward the media & ex-pro nexus is in English football. It's fucking ludicrous. They were talking about Patrick Vieira going to manage in New York and Henry Winter - who I'm given to understand is one of our leading football writers - essentially called Arsenal a bunch of c***s for not employing Vieira and 'developing' him in the way City have.

Why the fuck should Arsenal have kept someone in employment in perpetuity?! A player who fucked off and left them for Juventus (I think)!

It staggers me. Sections of the media decide in advance that certain players will make good managers in future - Bryan Robson, Stuart Pearce, Gareth Southgate etc - so there's a clamour for them to be 'groomed'. Obviously they all, without exception, turn out to be Blues. How come they don't advocate a meritocracy in those cases?!

Fucking mindbending.

Good article , I watched the Utube Sherwood interview after the Leicester Game (shudder) as soon as he mumbled we have to go again he should have gone
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on November 10, 2015, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on November 10, 2015, 11:46:01 AM
To few clubs in this country have a proper structure and ethos to which they wish they club to be recognised, Swansea, Southampton to an extent being a good example.

Where there is alot of money available this can be hidden, as in Chavski, how many managers have they gone through.

In the Premier league it is all about the here and now, so development of youth takes a back seat, as can be seen with our current youth teams, was it only a few years ago we were all shouting about how great our set up for youth was, but how many players have come through and made a mark in the first team, even  Jack has not done it over a sustained period and I have a horrible feeling with Jack, that we will get about the same as we did out of Lee Hendrie, hope and pray I am wrong on that one.
British managers on the whole do not strive to put in place a long term strategy, so it really has to be up to the clubs to develop this model not left in the hands of the manager.
We need stability attached to an improvement in results and be allowed to go about our business in a calm and thoughtful way, I now think we may have found the character to achieve this, whilst working within a frame work that will allow for as little disruption as possible if it does not garner the results required, but yet again only time will tell.

We appear to be moving, through trial and error, towards this model.  We can only hope we complete the transition successfully and retain our place in the Premier League at the same time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Wiggz on November 10, 2015, 12:47:56 PM
My two penneth...

I have a note of caution in my voice when I say this but Garde  looks the sort of calm and collected influence we need.

Firstly his next 11 will be interesting if Gabby and Westwood are back from niggles. I'd be tempted to start with exactly the same team as vs City.

Reading the points on here I have to agree with most of what is being posted. Including the Grealish-will-he-make-it posts and the Garde-has-seen-issues-and-rectified-then posts.

Ayew looked a different player at the weekend. Linking the play and holding up the ball... He was very good. Gil stopped cutting inside and looked dangerous... And Sanchez played like he does for Colombia.

The caution comes in the form of Leicester last year. After Sheerwood's half time chat we looked a more confident team... I hope our bouncr lasts longer this time.

I still remain worried that we've already left too much to do (I still reckon we'll go)  but a win after the International break,  playing as we did against City would start to change my mind.

 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 10, 2015, 12:49:06 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on November 10, 2015, 11:46:01 AM
...even  Jack has not done it over a sustained period and I have a horrible feeling with Jack, that we will get about the same as we did out of Lee Hendrie, hope and pray I am wrong on that one.

27 goals across 250 or so appearances? If Grealish went on to achieve that he would become the best result for our academy as a Villa player in a decade (or even longer, depending on how charitable you're feeling towards Gabby)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 10, 2015, 12:59:58 PM
Sanchez had a properly defined role for the first time. He sat deep and screened the midfield. There were very few occasions when he left that area of the pitch to close down either in front of him or to the side.

His task was not to specifically mark anybody, but to occupy that zone in front of the back four to disrupt Man City, who found it very difficult to play through us, to a point where everything came out from Navas in the second half.

City have very good wide players; £120 million plus were on the pitch on Sunday, so they clearly use that as a tactic, but nonetheless, nothing came up the middle, with perhaps the exception of Sterling's break in the 1st half where he dived, although that was Richard's fault.

It clearly worked as we kept a clean sheet, he didn't look tired and he was able to compete and keep it simple in possession throughout the 94 minutes.

I have been saying for a long time that the quality is there, we just lack the organisation. We had a manager who misunderstood aspirations for tactics, with no clue how to achieve the former.

Sanchez is a big lad, very strong, good in the air, he's no slouch and he can pass the ball when not tired. It is not enough to think Sanchez is ideally suited physically to be a defensive midfielder, you actually have to set the side up and prepare him for the role with clearly defined instructions.

I was pleased to see Garde implement that and get a good balance in the side. Small things like Clark playing on the left hand side of defence made a big difference two.

Very early days, but I like what I saw. I think its unfair to chastise our attacking play when their wide men were so good and kept our full backs occupied for much of the second half. We were not able to commit men forwards and were equally unwilling to go out and sacrifice space in stopping the ball going wide, working on the percentage that Richards and Clark were better aerially than anything they had.

I am looking forwards to Everton and see that point as one that the other 9 sides in the bottom half will struggle to get.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 10, 2015, 01:00:17 PM
The Football Manager Market is a closed shop with players, ex players,agents and media whores all wanting to keep dipping into the gravy train.
The reason that British managers are generally not much good is
1. Because they dont have to be.(they get rotated into the next available job)
2.The talent pool is lots of thick blokes that used to play football all sticking together.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Comrade Blitz on November 10, 2015, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on November 10, 2015, 01:00:17 PM
The Football Manager Market is a closed shop with players, ex players,agents and media whores all wanting to keep dipping into the gravy train.
The reason that British managers are generally not much good is
1. Because they dont have to be.(they get rotated into the next available job)
2.The talent pool is lots of thick blokes that used to play football all sticking together.

Right on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ktvillan on November 10, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 09, 2015, 01:41:38 PM
From F365's "Winners & Losers" column:

Quote
Remi Garde and another way
 A monumental difference in performance and mood. From the chalk of Tim Sherwood’s white cliffs of Dover to Remi Garde’s French cheese.

If the national stereotypes feel too strong, they are appropriate at least this once. Remi Garde took his first opportunity to bring back Aston Villa’s continental brigade back into the first team, and they performed admirably against the league leaders. Jordan Amavi, Idrissa Gana, Jordan Veretout, Carlos Sanchez, Carles Gil, Jordan Ayew. Even Charles N’Zogbia played a part!

Villa may have offered little in attack, but they survived the Manchester City onslaught. It’s been a long time since Villa’s underbelly was anything other than squidgy soft. A run of seven consecutive Premier League defeats has, finally, come to an end.

This was an instant improvement. Gone was the tactical vacuum of Sherwood’s dice-rolling defence and midfield, replaced by a coherent plan to stop the division’s most potent attacking midfield. How weird that those useless French players Sherwood shunned instantly improved the side in his absence.

It’s not difficult to want Garde to do well, introduced against a backdrop of unfair mistrust. Think I’m overstating that mood? Here’s Charlie Wyett in The Sun on Thursday afternoon: ‘Now, Aston Villa will be joining Sunderland in the Championship after the ridiculous decision to appoint Remi Garde.’ He hadn’t even had a single match in charge.

Villa’s new manager still has an immense task on his hands to keep the club in the Premier League, but let’s not pretend that he isn’t better equipped than his predecessor. Villa Park enjoyed their first evidence of the changing of the Garde.


I'm a big fan of F365.  I like the fact their writers actually seem to do some research or simply actually know something about the subject they are discussing.  They tell it like it is, don't pander to the ex-player clique syndrome and they have a very healthy disdain for the mainstream football press and its attendant hysteria, hype and utter bollocks.  It's almost as if it's written by proper football supporters.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on November 10, 2015, 02:14:36 PM
Quote from: Comrade Blitz on November 10, 2015, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on November 10, 2015, 01:00:17 PM
The Football Manager Market is a closed shop with players, ex players,agents and media whores all wanting to keep dipping into the gravy train.
The reason that British managers are generally not much good is
1. Because they dont have to be.(they get rotated into the next available job)
2.The talent pool is lots of thick blokes that used to play football all sticking together.

Right on.


Things quickly change when you prove yourself though, as was the case with Pochettino.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DeeBoy1 on November 10, 2015, 02:24:54 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 10, 2015, 12:49:06 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on November 10, 2015, 11:46:01 AM
...even  Jack has not done it over a sustained period and I have a horrible feeling with Jack, that we will get about the same as we did out of Lee Hendrie, hope and pray I am wrong on that one.

27 goals across 250 or so appearances? If Grealish went on to achieve that he would become the best result for our academy as a Villa player in a decade (or even longer, depending on how charitable you're feeling towards Gabby)

I'm 100% with you on this Dave. Revisionism seems to have created a myth that Hendrie never performed for us which is ludicrous. Maybe he never reached his full potential but he was there and thereabouts our best player for a good few seasons, and would have been more if not for injury. I for one will still remember him fondly as one of my favourite players. If Jack reaches his heights for the Villa then he will have done well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 10, 2015, 03:20:08 PM
Quote from: Ads on November 10, 2015, 12:59:58 PM
Sanchez had a properly defined role for the first time. He sat deep and screened the midfield. There were very few occasions when he left that area of the pitch to close down either in front of him or to the side.

His task was not to specifically mark anybody, but to occupy that zone in front of the back four to disrupt Man City, who found it very difficult to play through us, to a point where everything came out from Navas in the second half.

City have very good wide players; £120 million plus were on the pitch on Sunday, so they clearly use that as a tactic, but nonetheless, nothing came up the middle, with perhaps the exception of Sterling's break in the 1st half where he dived, although that was Richard's fault.

It clearly worked as we kept a clean sheet, he didn't look tired and he was able to compete and keep it simple in possession throughout the 94 minutes.

I have been saying for a long time that the quality is there, we just lack the organisation. We had a manager who misunderstood aspirations for tactics, with no clue how to achieve the former.

Sanchez is a big lad, very strong, good in the air, he's no slouch and he can pass the ball when not tired. It is not enough to think Sanchez is ideally suited physically to be a defensive midfielder, you actually have to set the side up and prepare him for the role with clearly defined instructions.

Pretty much agree with the above though I diagree when you say "his task was not to specifically mark anybody, but to occupy that zone in front of the back four". Sanchez has normally played a very zonal game, drifting around but I thought he was much tighter when he needed to be on any Man City player, closing down the options for a pass. He would also tightly track certain players, two things he wasn't doing before under Tactics.

I've been very impressed with Sanchez and a big fan since he arrived, he really is a class player and it's great to see that finally he's getting the recognition he deserves. Having Gana alongside him and Vertoute there has enabled him to finally share the workload. The big difference on Sunday was he was obviously told to tighten up on City and it worked a treat. As you say, having the midfield organised was a massive improvement. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 10, 2015, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: DeeBoy1 on November 10, 2015, 02:24:54 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 10, 2015, 12:49:06 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on November 10, 2015, 11:46:01 AM
...even  Jack has not done it over a sustained period and I have a horrible feeling with Jack, that we will get about the same as we did out of Lee Hendrie, hope and pray I am wrong on that one.

27 goals across 250 or so appearances? If Grealish went on to achieve that he would become the best result for our academy as a Villa player in a decade (or even longer, depending on how charitable you're feeling towards Gabby)

I'm 100% with you on this Dave. Revisionism seems to have created a myth that Hendrie never performed for us which is ludicrous. Maybe he never reached his full potential but he was there and thereabouts our best player for a good few seasons, and would have been more if not for injury. I for one will still remember him fondly as one of my favourite players. If Jack reaches his heights for the Villa then he will have done well.

I think saying he was anything close to our best player at any point is a very bold statement indeed, but if Grealish plays regularly as well as Hendrie did during some of his highlight periods, for example when he first got in the team and was trying to make an impression, and during the 12 months before he left (when he was probably feeling that his place in the squad was under threat), then Grealish would be considered a big success.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 10, 2015, 07:58:20 PM
Your average footballer will not need to work again after their playing careers end so it will be interesting to see how many can be bothered to actually study football and learn their trade in the lower leagues.  St Georges Park theoretically gives them the tools to be successful but I'm unsure what their motivation will be. 

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 10, 2015, 08:20:19 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 10, 2015, 07:58:20 PM
Your average footballer will not need to work again after their playing careers end so it will be interesting to see how many can be bothered to actually study football and learn their trade in the lower leagues.  St Georges Park theoretically gives them the tools to be successful but I'm unsure what their motivation will be. 



Rather than helping to give already-wealthy ex-pros a leg-up into a second career, I hope they give preference to intelligent people with a bit of motivation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 10, 2015, 08:30:02 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 10, 2015, 08:20:19 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 10, 2015, 07:58:20 PM
Your average footballer will not need to work again after their playing careers end so it will be interesting to see how many can be bothered to actually study football and learn their trade in the lower leagues.  St Georges Park theoretically gives them the tools to be successful but I'm unsure what their motivation will be. 



Rather than helping to give already-wealthy ex-pros a leg-up into a second career, I hope they give preference to intelligent people with a bit of motivation.

Amen, brother.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 10, 2015, 08:33:08 PM
Very strangely I was going to post today a comparison between the numbers of football players becoming managers and jockeys becoming racehorse trainers. I was going to quote Pat Eddery the only champion jockey to hold a training licence but he died today. Really lovely man. He once tripped me up with his pullalong suitcase. It was entirely my fault for being late, clumsy and pissed but he apologised and helped me to my feet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 10, 2015, 10:02:10 PM
he reminds me of officer Crabtree of Allo Allo the way he says some of his words
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on November 11, 2015, 12:06:47 PM
Most of the English-speakers I overhear speaking French seem to be doing a good impression of an Australian teenager speaking stilted Navajo.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on November 11, 2015, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 10, 2015, 08:33:08 PM
Very strangely I was going to post today a comparison between the numbers of football players becoming managers and jockeys becoming racehorse trainers. I was going to quote Pat Eddery the only champion jockey to hold a training licence but he died today. Really lovely man. He once tripped me up with his pullalong suitcase. It was entirely my fault for being late, clumsy and pissed but he apologised and helped me to my feet.

Richard Hughes says he's training because he wants to be champion trainer. Had his first winner the other day.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Boz on November 11, 2015, 07:11:33 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 10, 2015, 07:58:20 PM
Your average footballer will not need to work again after their playing careers end so it will be interesting to see how many can be bothered to actually study football and learn their trade in the lower leagues.  St Georges Park theoretically gives them the tools to be successful but I'm unsure what their motivation will be.

If they've been a high paid player then they'll probably have an big ego and that would be their motivation to remain in the limelight. They can't all be pundits.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 11, 2015, 08:58:31 PM
Quote from: Boz on November 11, 2015, 07:11:33 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 10, 2015, 07:58:20 PM
Your average footballer will not need to work again after their playing careers end so it will be interesting to see how many can be bothered to actually study football and learn their trade in the lower leagues.  St Georges Park theoretically gives them the tools to be successful but I'm unsure what their motivation will be.

If they've been a high paid player then they'll probably have an big ego and that would be their motivation to remain in the limelight. They can't all be pundits.

No, it just feels like it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on November 12, 2015, 08:45:26 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 10, 2015, 07:58:20 PM
Your average footballer will not need to work again after their playing careers end so it will be interesting to see how many can be bothered to actually study football and learn their trade in the lower leagues.  St Georges Park theoretically gives them the tools to be successful but I'm unsure what their motivation will be. 

And, continuing on the horse racing theme, some people do have a genuine desire to win.

Quote from: AP McCoy
Other sports people try different challenges, but the reality of it is that it’s never as good as what they have before. It might make it easier to live with, but it’s really not replaceable, so what can you do? The only thing that really makes you happy is winning, and the disappointment is that it lasts for only a very short space of time. If you win a football match, at least it lasts until the next football match. If you’re a jockey, it doesn’t even last half an hour. That’s the thing, it’s just getting a little of something every now and then, and then you’re looking for that buzz again. Sometimes it doesn’t even last until you get back to the winner’s enclosure.

https://t.co/JEDClcPCR6 (https://t.co/JEDClcPCR6)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on November 12, 2015, 04:43:29 PM
Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-thinking-mans-manager-10435789)

Quote
Aston Villa have the thinking man's manager in Remi Garde, says a Villa Park predecessor

Gerard Houllier worked with fellow Frenchman Garde at Lyon, and is a big fan of the ‘calm and composed’ manager.

16:05, 12 NOV 2015 UPDATED 16:06, 12 NOV 2015
BY MAT KENDRICK

Gerard Houllier insists that new Aston Villa boss Remi Garde is the BRIGHT man for the job.

Houllier worked with fellow Frenchman Garde at Lyon, and is a big fan of the ‘calm and composed’ manager.

Garde’s ‘social intelligence’ and man-management skills, believes the former Villa boss, could be the key to helping Villa climb out of the relegation zone.

“When I worked with Rémi, he was loyal, clever and had a good understanding of the game,” said Houllier.

“When I say clever I mean he has good social intelligence – he knows what players think and how they will react in certain situations. That’s a very good trait to have.

“He is very calm and composed too and, despite not managing here in England before, he knows the Premier League.

“First of all, he played in it. Even after that, despite being involved in French football he was regularly consulted as a TV pundit. He would go to games here, including matches this season.

“He knows the players in the Premier League, and he knows the level in England.

“He knows what’s expected from his team and I am sure he will do well.”

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 12, 2015, 10:47:01 PM
Quote from: Boz on November 11, 2015, 07:11:33 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 10, 2015, 07:58:20 PM
Your average footballer will not need to work again after their playing careers end so it will be interesting to see how many can be bothered to actually study football and learn their trade in the lower leagues.  St Georges Park theoretically gives them the tools to be successful but I'm unsure what their motivation will be.

If they've been a high paid player then they'll probably have an big ego and that would be their motivation to remain in the limelight. They can't all be pundits.

I agree they'll get the limelight whilst employed at premiership clubs (hello sherwood!) but how many are prepared to put in the hours if the only limelight/ego massage they receive is from the Northampton Chronicle?

I think the FA (clubs) would be wise to put failed/injured young players through St Georges Park as they theoretically would have the hunger and once old enough would have clocked a huge number of hours by a young age (if you value the 10,000 hour rule).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: footyskillz on November 13, 2015, 12:50:13 AM
Remi Garde understand the wider picture. He will have those who show the application and character to be involved on match day. This to me meanz its a much of a challenge for Remi with a non laissez faire attitude as it is for many of the players at the club. Look at agbonlahor, for too long his  percieved resting on his laurels has resulkted in gabby being a stagnant cult hero. If we discount the loyalt to be afforded legend status then to achieve this agbonlahors application and development being turned into consisent team contributions and  goals  is where his bigger picture is set. What of characters like ayew, nzogbia and grealist its a challenge for them to shown understanding and be rewarded.  The greatest and exciting thing villa have is Garde and what he believes. The way he wants to play football. Things are going to be different .I believe the players will buy into. Some of the players already understand it. The art of football. What is going to happen relegation or otherwise is that remi Garde is creating an identity for villa and he's having the players build with him. Thats the vision of Lerner that's the belief of the committee and board. Sherwood was taken in to develop and 'grow the club' . Sherwood needed to grow as a manager. It didnt work . Remi Garde already has his ideals and his vision. Remi knows football is art. The french belief of expression will be so refreshing I can see chorous of Les Marseillaise ringing out around villa park like a stand against going down a fight to survival. It's a passionate fight with a strength of beauty and  its not going to end like a last tango in paris....It's going to be the own  revolution we get to witness something cest magnificent!  This is going to be the best time in villas premier league history and under Lerner tenure. If investors can come in too then there's allowance to supplement the squad. Remi Garde loves the passion of the English game loved it as player, loved watching and analsying on canal plus. He loved Lerner's passion and love for the club.
We want to be saying j'adore Remi Garde he saved us and made us fall in love with football again. He made us love Aston Villa the way we should have always loved . It is written.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 13, 2015, 02:37:08 AM
Remi Garde hates paragraphs. ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 13, 2015, 07:27:19 AM
Bob, thanks for pointing out my omission of Richard Hughes taking out a licence. Slip of the memory. Your item by AP was very thought provoking. He is very bright indeed and his admission that the thrill of winning often does not last until the winner's enclosure was the candour of a great champion. It has always seemed to me that a jockey's need to be totally focussed on the actual riding of horses precluded them from spending the time learning the mass of other skills and expertise to acquire a yard, staff it, manage it, build an ownership base and so forth. It's a bit like Remi Garde needing to take a lease on Villa Park and put every employee on his payroll. That is why the massive achievements of Mick Channon are so incredible.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on November 13, 2015, 04:42:28 PM
More rubbish from Brazil on TalkShite this morning.  Him and Wilkins suggesting the reason players are unhappy is they are sad that Sherwood has gone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 13, 2015, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: LTA on November 13, 2015, 04:42:28 PM
More rubbish from Brazil on TalkShite this morning.  Him and Wilkins suggesting the reason players are unhappy is they are sad that Sherwood has gone.

Who's suggested that they're unhappy anyway?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on November 13, 2015, 05:06:02 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on November 13, 2015, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: LTA on November 13, 2015, 04:42:28 PM
More rubbish from Brazil on TalkShite this morning.  Him and Wilkins suggesting the reason players are unhappy is they are sad that Sherwood has gone.

Who's suggested that they're unhappy anyway?

I think it's a response to Garde saying he wants to put a smile back on people's faces.....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 13, 2015, 05:09:45 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on November 13, 2015, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: LTA on November 13, 2015, 04:42:28 PM
More rubbish from Brazil on TalkShite this morning.  Him and Wilkins suggesting the reason players are unhappy is they are sad that Sherwood has gone.

Who's suggested that they're unhappy anyway?

Wilkins and Sherwood.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: avfcdale on November 13, 2015, 05:18:08 PM
Brazil still has not got over 1981, twat
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 14, 2015, 05:10:59 AM
Brazil's nuts
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 14, 2015, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on November 14, 2015, 05:10:59 AM
Brazil's nuts should be removed with a pair of pliers and strung around his large, bloated neck.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on November 14, 2015, 01:53:13 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on November 10, 2015, 07:58:20 PM
Your average footballer will not need to work again after their playing careers end so it will be interesting to see how many can be bothered to actually study football and learn their trade in the lower leagues.  St Georges Park theoretically gives them the tools to be successful but I'm unsure what their motivation will be.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink to be fair seems to doing well at Burton Albion.

Its amazing that morons like Tim Sherwood get their first jobs in the top division
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on November 14, 2015, 06:23:34 PM
Quote from: avfcdale on November 13, 2015, 05:18:08 PM
Brazil still has not got over 1981, twat

He never will. Which is great!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 14, 2015, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 13, 2015, 05:09:45 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on November 13, 2015, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: LTA on November 13, 2015, 04:42:28 PM
More rubbish from Brazil on TalkShite this morning.  Him and Wilkins suggesting the reason players are unhappy is they are sad that Sherwood has gone.

Who's suggested that they're unhappy anyway?

Wilkins and Sherwood.
Say the guys that presided over a team that lost 9 from 11.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Seb_AVFC on November 14, 2015, 08:49:27 PM
Hasselbaink wasn't a success in the Belgian 2nd division to be fair
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 15, 2015, 11:47:19 AM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on November 13, 2015, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: LTA on November 13, 2015, 04:42:28 PM
More rubbish from Brazil on TalkShite this morning.  Him and Wilkins suggesting the reason players are unhappy is they are sad that Sherwood has gone.

Who's suggested that they're unhappy anyway?

I think they're right.

I used to love the way the players would almost dance off the pitch to the chorus of boo's after we'd lost to Stoke without so much as a shot or two on goal. I enjoyed their smiles, made me love football. Contrast that to the way they trudged off the pitch after they must have felt they bored Man City in to a draw then I can see the point they have.

Wilkins, we now see what he bought to the club, he was thinking man, a philosopher and a conduit for the players happiness.

They all miss Dim down Villa Park. They miss being told they aren't man enough, don't have guts, are shit and weren't wanted in the first place. Who wouldn't?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on November 15, 2015, 07:00:18 PM
Not sure if anyone has seen this, but an insight into our new boss from a former boss.

https://youtu.be/t2ypovW9j-8
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on November 15, 2015, 11:21:20 PM
I like Mr Houllier. Be interesting to know what his opinion is on the quality of the players brought in. That said, thicko Thompson asking the questions!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2015, 04:02:58 PM
He's got a hell of a job on. Left back is a serious problem, I'd be tempted to give Kinsella a go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on November 21, 2015, 04:15:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2015, 04:02:58 PM
He's got a hell of a job on. Left back is a serious problem, I'd be tempted to give Kinsella a go.

Yep. Keeper, defence, midfield and attack. Apart from that we're ok.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2015, 04:50:50 PM
Well Mr Garde. You said you watched Everton play as did your coaches, yet within 45 minutes we got utterly mullered. I'll be interested by what you have to say about that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 21, 2015, 04:53:28 PM
Air France don't fly from Brum anymore Remi.
If you realise you've made a massive mistake, you'll have to fly home from Manchester.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on November 21, 2015, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2015, 04:50:50 PM
Well Mr Garde. You said you watched Everton play as did your coaches, yet within 45 minutes we got utterly mullered. I'll be interested by what you have to say about that.

Bit early to start blaming the manager
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2015, 04:58:11 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on November 21, 2015, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2015, 04:50:50 PM
Well Mr Garde. You said you watched Everton play as did your coaches, yet within 45 minutes we got utterly mullered. I'll be interested by what you have to say about that.

Bit early to start blaming the manager

I'm not blaming him at all. But I want to hear what he has to say. I want to hear how he says it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: in exile on November 21, 2015, 04:58:43 PM
2nd game in and your having a go at him?
Says more about you than it does the manager
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 21, 2015, 04:59:21 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on November 21, 2015, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2015, 04:50:50 PM
Well Mr Garde. You said you watched Everton play as did your coaches, yet within 45 minutes we got utterly mullered. I'll be interested by what you have to say about that.

Bit early to start blaming the manager

People were quick to praise his tactical nouse after Man City. That's the way it goes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2015, 04:59:32 PM
Quote from: in exile on November 21, 2015, 04:58:43 PM
2nd game in and your having a go at him?
Says more about you than it does the manager

Excuse me?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 21, 2015, 05:01:55 PM
I'd have taken 1 point from the last 2 games. Obviously the performance wasn't great today, but the reason we are in the shite is the rest of the nonsense we have had so far this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 21, 2015, 05:02:53 PM
He's learning on the job and while he's learning we will continue losing. If we were serious about getting out of this mess we would have gone after Moyes.That pre supposes he wanted to work for the incompetents that own and run our club,which he probably didn't.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Uknowthescore on November 21, 2015, 05:03:09 PM
The players we have got are frankly not good enough, to blame the manager after 2 games is simply ludicrous
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on November 21, 2015, 05:07:30 PM
The whole club is a shambles. Top to bottom. January can't come soon enough.

I don't blame Garde, not at this point. However, dropping Sanchez for Westwood? Normal service has been resumed it seems.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2015, 05:11:05 PM
Only plus side is that he can be under no illusions over what is needed now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on November 21, 2015, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2015, 05:11:05 PM
Only plus side is that he can be under no illusions over what is needed now.

A near-miracle?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on November 21, 2015, 05:21:08 PM
How predictable to see Sherwood's mates out in force on social media. I.e Lineker, Trevor Sinclair and John Spencer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 21, 2015, 05:22:50 PM
Like TV I want to hear what Remi says. I shall be very disappointed in him if it is less than candid and full of alibis.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2015, 05:22:57 PM
Of course they are. Wankers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2015, 05:23:58 PM
It's funny though when we lost 6-1 to Southampton I don't remember then highlighting Sherwood's issues.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on November 21, 2015, 05:24:56 PM
I suspect they are not his mates but like Sunderland we are a club so rotten to the core that its a poisoned challace for any manager.

No structure, no plan , no hope.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on November 21, 2015, 05:25:49 PM
He needs a striker and to rebuild the defence. Way too much to do in one transfer window. Richardson, Lescott, Clark, Guzan need replacing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2015, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 21, 2015, 05:22:50 PM
Like TV I want to hear what Remi says. I shall be very disappointed in him if it is less than candid and full of alibis.

Part of the healing process is admission. He doesn't need to make it personal but we need to cleanse ourselves. I want him to be candid and accountable. Not give me a load of "I though we were excellent" or "I don't know what more I can do" like our previous managers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on November 21, 2015, 05:33:14 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2015, 05:11:05 PM
Only plus side is that he can be under no illusions over what is needed now.
This. May be the City game gave us and Remi false hope.This result is good inasmuch that it should teach Remi the depth of the problem. Now let's see what he can can do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 21, 2015, 05:42:16 PM
It gives Remi, either in public or in private, the chance to firm up his opinions. He comes across as a very honourable man and I never expected him to bin players just because we the fans knew they are rubbish. He is finding it out for himself as you would expect him to do. With this result and Amavi he has had a bad week. We shall see if he is another Saunders or another O'Leary.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2015, 05:48:56 PM
The board will back him in January but he needs to also find out about all of his squad. Some of these players are playing themselves out of contention.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on November 21, 2015, 05:54:09 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2015, 05:48:56 PM
The board will back him in January but he needs to also find out about all of his squad. Some of these players are playing themselves out of contention.

Some of these players should never have been signed, to be in contention in the first place but I guess he has little choice but to go with them at the moment.  We can't make wholesale changes but wish we could.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on November 21, 2015, 05:56:12 PM
I feel sorry for Remi. What's he supposed to do with that group of players. 13 summer signings or whatever it was and most of them dire.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 21, 2015, 06:04:19 PM
I agree with you TV about catharsis, a need to cleanse ourselves. I do not criticise Randy Lerner for everything that has gone wrong at Villa since he bought the club, but I do criticise him for one thing I believe he has allowed to come about either by intent or by omission and that is the lack of openness and truthful communication about things. Lerner is a very private buttoned up person, we have become a very buttoned up club. We the long suffering fans are left to guess what the facts are.

For example I would like to know why Westwood was preferred to Sanchez today. Tell me and I will shut up.

Why were Gil and Grealish in the same team today?

What the hell is happening to Libor Kozak and why?

What does Bunn have to do to get a start above Guzan?

What is happening to Ilori and Traore?

I am sure there are reasons for all these issues. I would simply like to know what they are from somebody in authority.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2015, 06:12:17 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 21, 2015, 06:04:19 PM
I agree with you TV about catharsis, a need to cleanse ourselves. I do not criticise Randy Lerner for everything that has gone wrong at Villa since he bought the club, but I do criticise him for one thing I believe he has allowed to come about either by intent or by omission and that is the lack of openness and truthful communication about things. Lerner is a very private buttoned up person, we have become a very buttoned up club. We the long suffering fans are left to guess what the facts are.

For example I would like to know why Westwood was preferred to Sanchez today. Tell me and I will shut up.

Why were Gil and Grealish in the same team today?

What the hell is happening to Libor Kozak and why?

What does Bunn have to do to get a start above Guzan?

What is happening to Ilori and Traore?

I am sure there are reasons for all these issues. I would simply like to know what they are from somebody in authority.

The word I would use Brian is lethargy. It is rampant at the club. Kill that and we have a chance. For the players above they all need to step up. That and the manager needs to make big decisions on a few of them. After two weeks he should be starting to get an idea so some of them need to put themselves in positions where the manager has to consider them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on November 21, 2015, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2015, 05:48:56 PM
The board will back him in January but he needs to also find out about all of his squad. Some of these players are playing themselves out of contention.

We need to ensure January isnt too late
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on November 21, 2015, 06:21:13 PM
and if we bring in say 5 players with 3 leaving it would be hard to gel. So he need to find his Dave Mackay. (He help Young Derby to win the title under Brian Clough)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 21, 2015, 06:26:22 PM
Agree TV but the problem is one of reality. The players almost certainly believe they are not being lethargic. They think they are running their balls off. When Gabby (poor old whipping boy Gabby but I need a for instance) looks in the bathroom mirror he probably does not see a premature overweight has been. He thinks he is in great shape. When Brad Guzan does not know whether to stick or twist he probably believes that he is exercising mature judgement. When Clark makes a howler he probably believes none of it was his fault.  It is all about facing up to the reality of the situation. In my opinion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 21, 2015, 06:36:01 PM
Yes, the transfer window is important, but our needs are more pressing that that.

More than anything else, this team NEEDS a win.
We have got to stop this horrible,horrible run of results and remember what it's actually like to win a game.

Once we do that, we just might have someone to build on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on November 21, 2015, 06:53:36 PM
Quote from: andyh on November 21, 2015, 06:36:01 PM
Yes, the transfer window is important, but our needs are more pressing that that.

More than anything else, this team NEEDS a win.
We have got to stop this horrible,horrible run of results and remember what it's actually like to win a game.

Once we do that, we just might have someone to build on.

Trouble is we simply do not look capable of winning a game. I can't remember the last game we deserved to win.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on November 21, 2015, 06:54:59 PM
Quote from: ez on November 21, 2015, 06:53:36 PM
Quote from: andyh on November 21, 2015, 06:36:01 PM
Yes, the transfer window is important, but our needs are more pressing that that.

More than anything else, this team NEEDS a win.
We have got to stop this horrible,horrible run of results and remember what it's actually like to win a game.

Once we do that, we just might have someone to build on.

Trouble is we simply do not look capable of winning a game. I can't remember the last game we deserved to win.

Leicester away until Sherwood decided to display his ineptitude.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 21, 2015, 06:59:33 PM
Quote from: Legion on November 21, 2015, 06:54:59 PM
Quote from: ez on November 21, 2015, 06:53:36 PM
Quote from: andyh on November 21, 2015, 06:36:01 PM
Yes, the transfer window is important, but our needs are more pressing that that.

More than anything else, this team NEEDS a win.
We have got to stop this horrible,horrible run of results and remember what it's actually like to win a game.

Once we do that, we just might have someone to build on.

Trouble is we simply do not look capable of winning a game. I can't remember the last game we deserved to win.

Leicester away until Sherwood decided to display his ineptitude.
without doubt the catalyst for everything that has happened on the pitch since
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 21, 2015, 07:02:24 PM
For me the catalyst was the humiliation and disgrace of the Cup Final. That was when we were holed below the water line.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on November 21, 2015, 07:04:13 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 21, 2015, 07:02:24 PM
For me the catalyst was the humiliation and disgrace of the Cup Final. That was when we were holed below the water line.

The 1-6 v Southampton for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: clash city rocker on November 21, 2015, 07:33:23 PM
The day MON left us in the shit is the day for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 21, 2015, 07:34:04 PM
Yes, close call Lee but the Final was so public and so naked to mockery and ridicule. Soton was as bad as they come but we still clung excuses of focus and concentration. Strange that we really believed it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on November 21, 2015, 07:39:33 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 21, 2015, 07:34:04 PM
Yes, close call Lee but the Final was so public and so naked to mockery and ridicule. Soton was as bad as they come but we still clung excuses of focus and concentration. Strange that we really believed it.

Good point. I was on a SATs training course for the Southampton game. At lunch, I was regaled by a Bluenose with "You don't want to know the score. You really don't want to know the score. You really, really don't want to know the score. You really, really, really don't want to know the score. You really, really, really, really don't want to know the score." Or words to that effect. I went outside for a long walk in order to calm down.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 21, 2015, 09:20:19 PM
Traore and kozak being omitted is a mystery I must admit
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 21, 2015, 09:34:29 PM
Which of course raises the question who is marking Remi's card?  Whose advice is he taking about players? Somebody must be perpetuating the belief that Libor Kozak is a one man bomb squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 21, 2015, 10:02:42 PM
I wish someone would ask him about Kozak and Traore. Instead of some of the fucking useless questions he does get asked. The press conferences are utter torture. Let alone the mundane bollocks on the OS.

edit: just saw this on the OS

Quote
Adama Traore...

It's a very young player, without experience at the highest level.
He did some good stuff in the training sessions but at the moment I didn't choose him.
But he is quite close to being on the team list one day.
He has to work hard.

Now need them to ask about Kozak
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Drummond on November 21, 2015, 10:47:39 PM
He's got to be allowed to make what we'd perceive as mistakes. Players need a chance. Though from what we've seen, not much of one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2015, 10:55:48 PM
What he said made perfect sense.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villan from luton on November 21, 2015, 10:56:16 PM
Quote from: Legion on November 21, 2015, 07:04:13 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 21, 2015, 07:02:24 PM
For me the catalyst was the humiliation and disgrace of the Cup Final. That was when we were holed below the water line.

The 1-6 v Southampton for me.

I second that
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2015, 11:00:38 PM
Remi has to work out very fast who has the fight for this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: b23 on November 22, 2015, 12:44:29 AM
Just watched MOTD.

Garde looked a worried man, with good reason.

He's been at the club for 3 weeks and already looks 3 years older.

FFS

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on November 22, 2015, 07:57:13 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2015, 11:00:38 PM
Remi has to work out very fast who has the fight for this.

He recognises here (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/remi-garde-admits-aston-villa-10481694), reflecting on the game, that Sanchez is a necessary component, which is refreshing.

Quote
Remi Garde has accused Aston Villa of being too lightweight during the 4-0 defeat at Everton until Carlos Sanchz entered the field.

Sanchez, who played well in the 0-0 draw with Manchester City, started on the bench at Goodison Park after a long jaunt away on international duty with Colombia.

He replaced Idrissa Gana as a half-time substitute against the Toffees and added some steel to an otherwise flimsy claret and blue side.

"I think we missed a little bit of character, we were too light on the field," admitted Garde.

"We didn't win enough challenges, enough duels - that was a key point of the game.

"We were better in the second half. A player like Carlos Sanchez has done quite well in this situation.

"The first half we didn't win any challenges and when you don't it's too difficult to win the game."

Garde recalled Jack Grealish for yesterday's match despite admitting there was room for improvement in the young winger's game.

"It was a difficult game for everybody. Jack is a young player he has to work like Carles (Gil), like Jordan (Ayew), like Idrissa (Gana).

"I know the team is quite young but they have a chance to show what they can do.

"Not only Jack but a few players I was wanting a little bit more from."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 22, 2015, 08:03:12 AM
What I cannot fathom is that a team like Leicester can perform they way they do with a squad that no one believed had it in them. Watching highlights of them over the last few weeks, they are getting the best out of the likes of Albrighton, Drinkwater and of course Vardy. It is no great squad, but they are doing the basics so well, and they have belief.
Can Garde get this squad of ours into a mental state that raises the collective game? - we may be in need of 2-3 players (and we certainly need to get Senderos, Okore and Kozak game-fit) but the real challenge is rekindle the fire in their belly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 22, 2015, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: Mister E on November 22, 2015, 08:03:12 AM
What I cannot fathom is that a team like Leicester can perform they way they do with a squad that no one believed had it in them. Watching highlights of them over the last few weeks, they are getting the best out of the likes of Albrighton, Drinkwater and of course Vardy. It is no great squad, but they are doing the basics so well, and they have belief.
Can Garde get this squad of ours into a mental state that raises the collective game? - we may be in need of 2-3 players (and we certainly need to get Senderos, Okore and Kozak game-fit) but the real challenge is rekindle the fire in their belly.

What I can't get over is that they're doing it with a manager everyone thought was a laughing stock. If we'd been in for him when Sherwood was appointed you could have heard the outcry on Mars. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on November 22, 2015, 11:42:41 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 22, 2015, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: Mister E on November 22, 2015, 08:03:12 AM
What I cannot fathom is that a team like Leicester can perform they way they do with a squad that no one believed had it in them. Watching highlights of them over the last few weeks, they are getting the best out of the likes of Albrighton, Drinkwater and of course Vardy. It is no great squad, but they are doing the basics so well, and they have belief.
Can Garde get this squad of ours into a mental state that raises the collective game? - we may be in need of 2-3 players (and we certainly need to get Senderos, Okore and Kozak game-fit) but the real challenge is rekindle the fire in their belly.

What I can't get over is that they're doing it with a manager everyone thought was a laughing stock. If we'd been in for him when Sherwood was appointed you could have heard the outcry on Mars. 

It must be said a lot of Leicester fans initially weren't happy with the appointment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 22, 2015, 11:43:37 AM
Quote from: Diablo on November 22, 2015, 11:42:41 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 22, 2015, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: Mister E on November 22, 2015, 08:03:12 AM
What I cannot fathom is that a team like Leicester can perform they way they do with a squad that no one believed had it in them. Watching highlights of them over the last few weeks, they are getting the best out of the likes of Albrighton, Drinkwater and of course Vardy. It is no great squad, but they are doing the basics so well, and they have belief.
Can Garde get this squad of ours into a mental state that raises the collective game? - we may be in need of 2-3 players (and we certainly need to get Senderos, Okore and Kozak game-fit) but the real challenge is rekindle the fire in their belly.

What I can't get over is that they're doing it with a manager everyone thought was a laughing stock. If we'd been in for him when Sherwood was appointed you could have heard the outcry on Mars. 

It must be said a lot of Leicester fans initially weren't happy with the appointment.

Exactly. Nobody would have wanted him to manage their club yet look what he's doing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on November 22, 2015, 11:55:01 AM
Leicester have had a relatively benign set of fixtures and appear to have carried the confidence from last season into this to take full advantage. I don't think even their most one eyed supporter thinks they can stay where they are but they have shown that clubs are measured by results against their peers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 22, 2015, 12:21:02 PM
well they've been doing it for eight months or so - what wouldn't I give to see that replicated down B6 way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 22, 2015, 01:31:01 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on November 22, 2015, 12:21:02 PM
well they've been doing it for eight months or so - what wouldn't I give to see that replicated down B6 way.
Which was the point of my post above: without the rekindling of the fire in the players' belly, no amount of reinforcements will help. Garde's challenge is psychological in nature, as well as working on the team's structure and tactics.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DB on November 22, 2015, 01:43:14 PM
Confidence also. Perhaps out team can get some by winning next weekend.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: fredm on November 22, 2015, 03:51:32 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 22, 2015, 11:43:37 AM
Quote from: Diablo on November 22, 2015, 11:42:41 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 22, 2015, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: Mister E on November 22, 2015, 08:03:12 AM
What I cannot fathom is that a team like Leicester can perform they way they do with a squad that no one believed had it in them. Watching highlights of them over the last few weeks, they are getting the best out of the likes of Albrighton, Drinkwater and of course Vardy. It is no great squad, but they are doing the basics so well, and they have belief.
Can Garde get this squad of ours into a mental state that raises the collective game? - we may be in need of 2-3 players (and we certainly need to get Senderos, Okore and Kozak game-fit) but the real challenge is rekindle the fire in their belly.

What I can't get over is that they're doing it with a manager everyone thought was a laughing stock. If we'd been in for him when Sherwood was appointed you could have heard the outcry on Mars. 

It must be said a lot of Leicester fans initially weren't happy with the appointment.

Exactly. Nobody would have wanted him to manage their club yet look what he's doing.

The one reason I would be so happy to see Leicester finish in the top 4. He has always been a dignified manager wherever he has been and has just laughed off the barbs from the press etc and got on with, usually, a decent job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 22, 2015, 04:24:39 PM
This is going to sound crazy but we need a Sherwood style kick start where we just go for broke, and then having got things going we have Garde style management to sustain the progress. Garde just needs one win to give the players belief in themselves again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on November 22, 2015, 07:33:51 PM
In a way, and it may sound crazy, the results and performances against Spurs, Man City and Everton may be better for us in the long run than a 'new manager bounce'.  He has now seen most of the regular first team squad and mostly seen what does not work.  He will have seen combinations of players that do not work and individuals that are tactically poor, make mistakes, throw in the towel too easily and/or lack confidence.

Now comes the difficult part, doing something about it.  He needs to identify the winners in the squad, the ones that do not shrink in the face of adversity.  At this point in time I would rather have a less talented trier than a more skilful player that won't use his talents.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 22, 2015, 07:40:01 PM
He needs to pick a team that does not contain
Guzan, Ricardson, Westwood, Gabby either Jack or Gill, Ayew up front and Richards at centre half.

Not easy is it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 22, 2015, 09:45:10 PM
From the sound and body language of Remi in his pot match interview he looked shocked and deflated by seeing our surrender monkey mode. I have a strong feeling that we shall not be seeing much flowing, swashbuckling, easy on the eye football from us any time soon. As my son said it looked as though they had been given instructions how to play and been completely unable to do what he wanted.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on November 22, 2015, 10:42:27 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 22, 2015, 09:45:10 PM
From the sound and body language of Remi in his pot match interview he looked shocked and deflated by seeing our surrender monkey mode. I have a strong feeling that we shall not be seeing much flowing, swashbuckling, easy on the eye football from us any time soon. As my son said it looked as though they had been given instructions how to play and been completely unable to do what he wanted.

They were set up to play the same as against Man City but the players that came in did not perform at the same level.  Everton identified the weakness with Richardson and exploited it.  The midfield without Sanchez is too lightweight and he needs to play.  Gill and Grealish in the same team away from home gets easily out fought down the wings, especially when the opposition has a good attacking fullback.  Westwood looks neat and tidy with his own game when he has the ball but he takes so much away from the team as a whole in a crucial position on the field.  What we do with the left back position is a worry.  Even with his lack of pace, I might be tempted to play Lescott there for his defensive experience.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on November 22, 2015, 10:55:25 PM
Bring back Aly. If we are able to. Play a proper left back at left back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 22, 2015, 11:26:32 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on November 22, 2015, 07:40:01 PM
He needs to pick a team that does not contain
Guzan, Ricardson, Westwood, Gabby either Jack or Gill, Ayew up front and Richards at centre half.

Not easy is it.

Have I misread you.  You wouldn't have either of Gil or Grealish in the team, or not both?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on November 22, 2015, 11:50:32 PM
Quote from: Newby on November 22, 2015, 10:55:25 PM
Bring back Aly. If we are able to. Play a proper left back at left back.

He isn't a proper footballer not to mind a proper left back. Our choices for left back next weekend are Richardson or Lescott. Not sure who plays on Watford's right side but he will be as giddy as a kid on Xmas morning all next week
Sanchez will be back in for sure and I don't think Richards will at centre half next weekend.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 23, 2015, 01:49:58 AM
If we don't have anything coming through the youth system I'd be inclined to move Richards to the right, Ilori has filled in at left back before and bring in Okore who surely must be nearing fitness now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 23, 2015, 02:36:02 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 22, 2015, 11:26:32 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on November 22, 2015, 07:40:01 PM
He needs to pick a team that does not contain
Guzan, Ricardson, Westwood, Gabby either Jack or Gill, Ayew up front and Richards at centre half.

Not easy is it.

Have I misread you.  You wouldn't have either of Gil or Grealish in the team, or not both?
Not both together. I would interchange them a bit though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 23, 2015, 05:24:59 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on November 23, 2015, 02:36:02 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on November 22, 2015, 11:26:32 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on November 22, 2015, 07:40:01 PM
He needs to pick a team that does not contain
Guzan, Ricardson, Westwood, Gabby either Jack or Gill, Ayew up front and Richards at centre half.

Not easy is it.

Have I misread you.  You wouldn't have either of Gil or Grealish in the team, or not both?
Not both together. I would interchange them a bit though.

OK, that makes sense. Having just read your post again it was pretty clear already. I'll blame it on being late over here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 23, 2015, 08:41:13 AM
Remy Garde has a very hard week ahead of him, a week as hard, if not harder than any week in his career. It is the week that will define whether he is the manager most of us wanted or not.  He has to find a mind set he has probably never had to engage before.  He is like a man walking into a structure created by a crew of jerry builders and chancers and realises that it must be demolished and rebuilt from the ground up.

He must address our lack of concentration, our lack of spirit, our lack of leadership on the field and our rock bottom morale. When he has done that he has to address specific problems of a goalkeeper, a left back, a central defender, a play maker and a goal scorer.

Then he has to turn his attention to the ongoing clash of culture in the dressing room.  He has to call it on the francophone players. Are the summer acquisitions actually any good or have we just wished them to be the heart of better team. How good actually are Gana, Veretout, Amavi (when mended), Ayew and Gestede.

When he has done all that he has to decide how he is going to use, if at all, the immature but talented players like Traore, Grealish and Gil.

Next comes the problem of our invisible men like Kozak and Illori. For good measure he needs to know whether anybody we have on loan is worth recalling when it is possible to do so.

The chocolate sprinkle on his overflowing cup is to ascertain whether adequate funds are going to be available in six weeks time and if so how they are to be used.

We have got the easy part. We only have to watch the rubbish.  He is expected to do something about it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on November 23, 2015, 09:00:06 AM
The left back situation is something that can't be helped, until January anyway. In the meantime, he may have to find a solution because I don't think Richardson is the answer.

As for other things, Ayew is not an out and out striker and we shouldn't be playing him there. Let him play out wide and cut in, it's what seems to suit him best. Also, I think it's time to draft Kozak and Traore back in in. The latter coming off the bench would lift the fans and he's shown he can change games. The fact that Kozak hasn't had a sniff is a bit baffling.

I can see us winning on Saturday. I just hope it kick starts us onto a good run if we do. It's something the win over blues should have done.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 23, 2015, 09:13:57 AM
I think Westwood fluffed his chance and we will see our best and most balanced central three.

I think Grealish proved he doesn't work anywhere near as hard to play in a side in our position, together with Gil at the same time.

I think Garde will appreciate that we need an outlet ball, primarily on the left, to help us defensively, but to also effect the game tactically by giving Gil 5-10 yards more room to play in, by pushing them back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on November 23, 2015, 12:27:40 PM
Just reading Kasper Schmeichel interview talking about Leicester's meteoric rise and form http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34896490

This bit pops out about Ranieri. I hope Remi adopts the same method rather than the everyone must speak English comment in the press when he first arrived. Whilst I appreciate he doesn't want to alienate the English players and develop a French click (something that was rumoured to occur at Newcastle at one time) I personally think this would be a far better option given our current situation and need to get immediate results.

Kasper: "Everyone is enjoying playing under Claudio - he is a very personable guy when he talks to you and gets his message across.
"What definitely helps is that he is able to speak to each player individually in their own language, something he does in team-talks when he is addressing the whole squad.
"He has the language skills to speak Spanish or French when he has to and make sure he is understood.
"That makes a big difference. For players coming to a new country things can be difficult enough even enough anyway, but not speaking the language makes thing very difficult. It's not a problem with Claudio, though."
 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 23, 2015, 12:34:52 PM
I think you can safely summarise Remi's approach from here on in as "no nonsense".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 23, 2015, 12:40:15 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 23, 2015, 12:34:52 PM
I think you can safely summarise Remi's approach from here on in as "no nonsense".

I don't know too much about him but I would like to think he is a tough fecker who will rip into the under achievers
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on November 23, 2015, 01:06:32 PM
Two words spring to mind when I think about my hopes for Remi Garde, and they are: 'Nasty Bastard'.  Because that is what I feel he has to be to be able to sort our club out.  The time has come to get rid of the dead wood, pare it back to the minimum and start again with a whole new winning ethos.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 23, 2015, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: MattW on November 22, 2015, 07:57:13 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2015, 11:00:38 PM
Remi has to work out very fast who has the fight for this.

He recognises here (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/remi-garde-admits-aston-villa-10481694), reflecting on the game, that Sanchez is a necessary component, which is refreshing.

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Remi Garde has accused Aston Villa of being too lightweight during the 4-0 defeat at Everton until Carlos Sanchz entered the field.

Sanchez, who played well in the 0-0 draw with Manchester City, started on the bench at Goodison Park after a long jaunt away on international duty with Colombia.

He replaced Idrissa Gana as a half-time substitute against the Toffees and added some steel to an otherwise flimsy claret and blue side.

"I think we missed a little bit of character, we were too light on the field," admitted Garde.

"We didn't win enough challenges, enough duels - that was a key point of the game.

"We were better in the second half. A player like Carlos Sanchez has done quite well in this situation.

"The first half we didn't win any challenges and when you don't it's too difficult to win the game."

Garde recalled Jack Grealish for yesterday's match despite admitting there was room for improvement in the young winger's game.

"It was a difficult game for everybody. Jack is a young player he has to work like Carles (Gil), like Jordan (Ayew), like Idrissa (Gana).

"I know the team is quite young but they have a chance to show what they can do.

"Not only Jack but a few players I was wanting a little bit more from."
Someone in the match tread was arguing during the game that we weren't outmuscled and that its silly to say we were,  that we weren't outbattled , but out manoeuvred.

Remi obvioulsy doesn't know what he's talking about.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on November 23, 2015, 04:22:44 PM
I like it when a manager sees the things I see, as I'm well clever me.

Until such a time as he doesn't see what I see, then I will boo him silly.

For now, I will say that Remi is one smart cookie.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 23, 2015, 04:28:38 PM
Quote from: andyh on November 23, 2015, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: MattW on November 22, 2015, 07:57:13 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on November 21, 2015, 11:00:38 PM
Remi has to work out very fast who has the fight for this.

He recognises here (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/remi-garde-admits-aston-villa-10481694), reflecting on the game, that Sanchez is a necessary component, which is refreshing.

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Remi Garde has accused Aston Villa of being too lightweight during the 4-0 defeat at Everton until Carlos Sanchz entered the field.

Sanchez, who played well in the 0-0 draw with Manchester City, started on the bench at Goodison Park after a long jaunt away on international duty with Colombia.

He replaced Idrissa Gana as a half-time substitute against the Toffees and added some steel to an otherwise flimsy claret and blue side.

"I think we missed a little bit of character, we were too light on the field," admitted Garde.

"We didn't win enough challenges, enough duels - that was a key point of the game.

"We were better in the second half. A player like Carlos Sanchez has done quite well in this situation.

"The first half we didn't win any challenges and when you don't it's too difficult to win the game."

Garde recalled Jack Grealish for yesterday's match despite admitting there was room for improvement in the young winger's game.

"It was a difficult game for everybody. Jack is a young player he has to work like Carles (Gil), like Jordan (Ayew), like Idrissa (Gana).

"I know the team is quite young but they have a chance to show what they can do.

"Not only Jack but a few players I was wanting a little bit more from."
Someone in the match tread was arguing during the game that we weren't outmuscled and that its silly to say we were,  that we weren't outbattled , but out manoeuvred.

Remi obvioulsy doesn't know what he's talking about.




I read that in the match thread as well. I don't think there's ever been a match played where individual battles haven't determined the outcome to some degree.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 23, 2015, 04:34:29 PM
Ha, that was me and it wasn't the match I saw - I thought we were too slow to react to their passing. Happy to be wrong if that's what Remi's saying (it's nice to have that sort of confidence in a manager for once).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 23, 2015, 04:40:21 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 23, 2015, 04:34:29 PM
Ha, that was me and it wasn't the match I saw - I thought we were too slow to react to their passing. Happy to be wrong if that's what Remi's saying (it's nice to have that sort of confidence in a manager for once).
I enjoyed our 'discussion' over it at the time. 😉
I must admit, I thought a few of us called it how Remi also saw it.

I still love your work in the 'Paris' thread tho.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 23, 2015, 04:43:23 PM
I think loads of football fans overrate the role of physical strength in football, so I suppose I just have a bit of a reflex against it and sometimes go too far the other way. To be honest, if we were outmuscled we were also out-manouvered, outpassed, outrun, out-thought and out-everythingelsed. It was a proper mauling that!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 23, 2015, 04:46:19 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 23, 2015, 04:34:29 PM
Ha, that was me and it wasn't the match I saw - I thought we were too slow to react to their passing. Happy to be wrong if that's what Remi's saying (it's nice to have that sort of confidence in a manager for once).

It's not one or the other. It's a mix of both. We need to be smart and physical as required. You can't have too much of one or the other because you end being Arsenal or Wimbeldon. There is a sweet spot in between and right now we are bit more Arsenal without the technique and skill, and when you don't have that along with the intelligence you look like we do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 23, 2015, 05:01:17 PM
I get from what I see and hear of Remi that we are going to be more Wimbledon than Arsenal in the weeks ahead. I suspect behind the manners and courtesy he is one fucking hard bastard.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on November 23, 2015, 05:12:20 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 23, 2015, 05:01:17 PM
I get from what I see and hear of Remi that we are going to be more Wimbledon than Arsenal in the weeks ahead. I suspect behind the manners and courtesy he is one fucking hard bastard.

 I don't think we have the players to be either Arsenal or Wimbledon but we can at least be a better organised version of whatever it is we are. As the saying goes "when you are in a hole the first thing you do is stop digging".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 23, 2015, 05:21:26 PM
I meant to repeat what I said earlier today. I think his approach will be "no frills" "back to basics" Hard yards football while he has to deal with our plight with the squad he has inherited. There will be very little swash and even less buckle.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 23, 2015, 05:22:28 PM
I didn't see or listen to any of the game on Saturday but can glean enough from here how we played.  If the worst happens against Watford the rule from there on has to be go out to win games in the way that Garde envisages us playing.  It may still result in relegation and a thumping here or there but at least we will have a game plan to get back at the first attempt.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 23, 2015, 05:26:38 PM
Sanchez back in would help, not just because he's more combative than Westwood (he is) but also because he gives the ball away less and has more positional sense. We might be able to actually attack Watford as well, so for the first time under Remi we'll see what we look like going forward.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on November 23, 2015, 05:49:15 PM
Quote from: Monty on November 23, 2015, 04:43:23 PM
I think loads of football fans overrate the role of physical strength in football, so I suppose I just have a bit of a reflex against it and sometimes go too far the other way. To be honest, if we were outmuscled we were also out-manouvered, outpassed, outrun, out-thought and out-everythingelsed. It was a proper mauling that!

Really? Overrate physical strength? Its absolutely integral. Even at non league level upper body strength is imperative and many clubs will give players training routines to pump up their muscle mass. Any top flight footballer's torso us absolutely ripped and that's because they are an athlete and need the physique to meet. I get tour point but the modern day footballer absolutely must have physical strength to survive and clubs have regimes and personal trainers designed to get their physique up to scratch.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 23, 2015, 05:52:45 PM
But that's part of my reasoning, Peter - there's actually not much of a difference between how strong most players are, and that strength has an upper-limit to its usefulness. By that I mean that there's almost no team which wouldn't be better off it had more skill, or better tactics, or even more pace, but plenty who aren't even that 'strong' who absolutely don't need any more strength.

Anyway, all that physical fitness is only partially about jostling and pushing and fighting on the pitch - its mostly stamina, actually, followed by speed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tuscans on November 23, 2015, 06:00:28 PM
I think I started it with my comments about not setting the tempo within the first minute with a reducer. When I go on about how weak our midfield is I partially mean in physical strength but predominantly the fight and strength in character.

Sanchez has to start every match for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 23, 2015, 06:01:28 PM
I think what we would all agree on is the importance of strength to weight ratio. Sid looked like street urchin who had nicked a Villa strip the first time took the field at VP. I recall saying "who the fuck is this?" and some wag replying "it's the kid who sells the Arguses". One tackle was all he needed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on November 23, 2015, 06:03:22 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on November 23, 2015, 06:00:28 PM
I think I started it with my comments about not setting the tempo within the first minute with a reducer. When I go on about how weak our midfield is I partially mean in physical strength but predominantly the fight and strength in character.

I agree about the mentality - they need to be more aggressive - but that BFR 'reducer' stuff is a bit Vinnie Jones for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 23, 2015, 06:10:21 PM
Agreed. I do want to see us more streetwise though. We have been too nice for too long.

We don't get in the referees ear. We don't waste time when seeing a game out. We don't target opposition players to wind up.

It is all rather amateurish and Corinthian.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 23, 2015, 06:16:24 PM
The all time master of that Stuart, as you probably know was Peter Withe. I have seen referees hide behind a corner flag to escape him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 23, 2015, 06:17:10 PM
We're more italian than English /American in military terms - give up too easily.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 23, 2015, 06:19:20 PM
Romans kicked the shit out of the Brits.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tuscans on November 23, 2015, 06:28:01 PM
We're nice little Aston Villa, a club your mates don't mind because they're not a threat to anyone. Come and play Villa, you'll get 3 pts for free and if you have a milestone to break then you're guaranteed to break it at Villa Park.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 23, 2015, 07:21:36 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 23, 2015, 06:16:24 PM
The all time master of that Stuart, as you probably know was Peter Withe. I have seen referees hide behind a corner flag to escape him.

The best way I cam liken it is to work.

My team will moan until the cows come home about Senior Management inadequates, who wouldn't understand the job if it bit them on the todger and forced them to do lessons on learning it.

They still work bloody hard though. And why? Because I fight for them with those above and set realistic, achievable, expectations in between.

Garde's job is to show them he is capable. Get them on side. But shit down the neck of anyone who won't play ball in our "new way" of working.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 23, 2015, 09:24:20 PM
The very last thing Garde is going to want is to be embarrassed by the performance of his team. There might be some changes this weekend based on his comments.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on November 23, 2015, 09:24:34 PM
I think when Garde mentioned lightweight he meant not just in the tackle but having been beaten to the ball in the midfield, the lack of effort to get back to defend the penalty area.  How many times do we see opposition players lining up unmarked on the far post, particularly with balls in from the left.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: fredm on November 24, 2015, 03:23:41 PM
I think with a full weeks training with all the squad, we will definitely see some changes this week, both in personnel and attitude on the pitch.

(well I certainly hope so because if we don't I think it will show the white flag has been raised.)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: avfcpg on November 24, 2015, 03:42:26 PM
The trouble is, this is what Sherwood did. Lose a game change the team, lose again change it again. lose again and all change... he got himself lost.
Worth remembering that a lot (6 or 7?) of the new signings played in our only win of the season...their first game. Shame he didn't feel the need to stick with it...feels like we have gone full circle now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on November 24, 2015, 05:19:58 PM
He needs to assess as many players as possible under match conditions. The big problem we have is that it only takes a couple of players not to put everything into the game these days and you lose. Compound this with it not being just one or two and you can see why we are struggling.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 24, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
There was nothing too much wrong with the effort V Man City.  More of that from now on and we'll get ourselves out of this mess.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on November 24, 2015, 05:32:56 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on November 24, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
There was nothing too much wrong with the effort V Man City.  More of that from now on and we'll get ourselves out of this mess.

Buy three or four players with bollocks and I'm sure we can do it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: IFWaters on November 24, 2015, 06:42:14 PM
Im going to be unpopular and say Richards is part of the problem. To my eyes he has been out of position, pace and too ready to blame others. I think as soon as possible we need an experienced, proper centre back twinned with Clark or Okores' athleticism. Try Richards or Hutton at LB. That doesnt help us tilJan but in meantime I would try Hutton, Clark, Okore and Richards. And an experienced keeper in January, Guzans confidence is shot.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 24, 2015, 06:51:17 PM
That is pretty mainstream thinking IFW. So where is the part that is going to make you unpopular?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 24, 2015, 06:54:49 PM
Quote from: IFWaters on November 24, 2015, 06:42:14 PM
Im going to be unpopular and say Richards is part of the problem. To my eyes he has been out of position, pace and too ready to blame others. I think as soon as possible we need an experienced, proper centre back twinned with Clark or Okores' athleticism. Try Richards or Hutton at LB. That doesnt help us tilJan but in meantime I would try Hutton, Clark, Okore and Richards. And an experienced keeper in January, Guzans confidence is shot.
It's what I've come to think too IFW.
He seems to be great attacking the ball front on, but completely lost when the ball is played in from the wings - looking at the goals we concede he always seems to be miles out of a decent defensive position. I'd put him at full-back too, probably on the left, as Hutton hasn't done a fat lot wrong to deserve being replaced and does offer something going forward.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on November 24, 2015, 07:01:42 PM
Quote from: fredm on November 24, 2015, 03:23:41 PM
I think with a full weeks training with all the squad, we will definitely see some changes this week, both in personnel and attitude on the pitch.

(well I certainly hope so because if we don't I think it will show the white flag has been raised.)

Trouble is with making judgements from training is that we are up against ourselves if you get my drift. Closed doors friendlies against other teams might be more appropriate, a sort of mid season pre-season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on November 24, 2015, 07:04:52 PM
Ha! Just read libor thread, apparently we did just play a friendly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 24, 2015, 07:15:59 PM
Was it against Fleetwood Town? Maybe we're trying to find the next Jamie Vardy
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on November 24, 2015, 08:04:45 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 24, 2015, 07:15:59 PM
Was it against Fleetwood Town? Maybe we're trying to find the next Jamie Vardy

They're just Rumours.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on November 24, 2015, 08:12:19 PM
Quote from: LeeB on November 24, 2015, 08:04:45 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on November 24, 2015, 07:15:59 PM
Was it against Fleetwood Town? Maybe we're trying to find the next Jamie Vardy

They're just Rumours.

Yes, Welcome To The Pleasuredome
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on November 24, 2015, 10:21:46 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12015164/Jack-Grealish-banished-to-Aston-Villa-development-squad-after-Manchester-nightclub-antics.html

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Garde is also on a collision course with the Villa hierarchy after it emerged the club is continuing to push for Round to join the backroom staff.
Round met with the Frenchman at Bodymoor Heath nearly a fortnight ago, on the club’s recommendation, but last week Garde appeared to rule out the move by claiming there was no room for David Moyes’ former assistant.
However, Villa’s board remain keen for Round to come in as No 2 and assist Garde, as they believe top-flight experience is vital as they bid to avoid relegation to the Championship.

Garde has made his feelings clear over Round
Round worked with Moyes at both Manchester United and Everton and a final decision will be made on whether he joins Garde in the next 24 hours.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 24, 2015, 10:28:03 PM
If that's true, and it's a big if, then that is very worrying.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 24, 2015, 10:30:29 PM
This Steve Round thing is frankly terrifying.

If we are really fighting our newly appointed manager and trying to appoint a number two he doesn't want at the club, then, frankly, we deserve everything we get.

I hope there is no truth in it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 24, 2015, 10:34:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 24, 2015, 10:30:29 PM
This Steve Round thing is frankly terrifying.

If we are really fighting our newly appointed manager and trying to appoint a number two he doesn't want at the club, then, frankly, we deserve everything we get.

I hope there is no truth in it.

Spot on. Idiotic if true.

We seem to have a appointed a very respected man who is clearly very bright. To force a number 2 on him is just ridiculous. Pay the money and get his Lyon mates if more coaching experience is needed in there.

The Grealish thing I am pleased Garde is taking a stance on. Sherwood clearly indulged him way too much. He needs to bloody learn.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on November 24, 2015, 10:35:51 PM
It doesn't make sense. It's probably wrong.

Either Remi would like him and it fell apart over a contractual disagreement with the club, not him, or he does mind and it's totally wrong.

Why on earth would any club take on a member of staff in such a key position if the manager said he didn't want him?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on November 24, 2015, 10:36:15 PM
If it is true the we are fucked beyond measure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on November 24, 2015, 10:40:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 24, 2015, 10:30:29 PM
This Steve Round thing is frankly terrifying.

If we are really fighting our newly appointed manager and trying to appoint a number two he doesn't want at the club, then, frankly, we deserve everything we get.

I hope there is no truth in it.

Totally agree.  If true, what on earth are the "hierarchy" playing at?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 24, 2015, 10:42:31 PM
Before worrying too much, have a look at what the same writer was saying last week.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11998352/Aston-Villa-news-Remi-Garde-set-to-appoint-Steve-Round-to-his-backroom-staff.html
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on November 24, 2015, 10:49:59 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on November 24, 2015, 10:42:31 PM
Before worrying too much, have a look at what the same writer was saying last week.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11998352/Aston-Villa-news-Remi-Garde-set-to-appoint-Steve-Round-to-his-backroom-staff.html

Yes. When you take into account how long Garde took to accept the appointment, it is hard to believe he would overlook something like this. What John Percy is up to, only he knows.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on November 25, 2015, 01:39:25 AM
Id be more worried if it was written by that Guardian reporter who covers us and seems to be quite savy, Stuart James I think.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on November 25, 2015, 01:47:35 AM
Percy's record is quite good in terms of breaking news from VP.

For example, nobody is questioning his assertion in the same story that Grealish has been dispatched to the U21 squad.

He is making mischief about Round, but there must be something to it, in my opinion.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 25, 2015, 06:54:24 AM
I can't see us forcing an assistant on the manager. You never know though
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on November 25, 2015, 07:31:33 AM
You would have thought this would have been discussed and agreed upon before Garde signed up.

Normally, I'd think the story to be rubbish but as Phil above says, who knows with the way we seem to be run at the moment?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on November 25, 2015, 08:06:05 AM
I think it's quite feasible that we suggested Steve Round and that Garde interviewed him. After that, it would be crazy to try and force an assistant onto him if it's not who he wants - so let's hope it's bollocks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 25, 2015, 08:18:39 AM
I can't believe that we'd be forcing an assistant on the manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 25, 2015, 08:36:39 AM
I have to say normally we let managers bring in who they want
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on November 25, 2015, 08:41:37 AM
This is Aston Villa we don't do logic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on November 25, 2015, 09:47:21 AM
Seems to me that we've replaced Newcastle as the media's favourite bat shit crazy crisis club now, therefore all stories about us have to fit into the narrative 'big club falling apart at the seams'. And until we get back to actually wining games of football (which might be next season at this rate) we'll just have to put up with more made up shit in the future.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 25, 2015, 11:20:28 AM
I actually can't see anything wildly inaccurate about big club falling apart at the seams to be honest. We are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on November 25, 2015, 11:24:45 AM
And if we go down the national press wont give a shit about how we go next season. The Champioship is an irrelevance to them.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: fredm on November 25, 2015, 11:39:13 AM
Agree with the 3 above. It seems as if the press have decided we are just a laughing stock and are going to have their feast on it before the inevitable disappearance into the Championship (in their eyes).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 25, 2015, 03:13:01 PM
Quote from: OCD on November 25, 2015, 08:06:05 AM
I think it's quite feasible that we suggested Steve Round and that Garde interviewed him. After that, it would be crazy to try and force an assistant onto him if it's not who he wants - so let's hope it's bollocks.

True but John Percy is the club's journalist of choice so I don't see any media conspiracy by him to make us look foolish. I understand the club's desire (and after Everton, panic) for us to have a defensive coach but they've got to show some trust and let Garde get on with the job. Garde only met Round to be "polite" and is on record that he's happy with his current staff. It does sound like Reilly is trying to push his weight around which is very worrying.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 25, 2015, 06:08:15 PM
The club aren't pushing Garde to bring in Round.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 25, 2015, 06:14:37 PM
That's comforting to know. I wonder where Percy got his story from?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 25, 2015, 06:26:11 PM
Not sure. He does "fill column inches" at times though. A couple of others at the nationals we leak things to occasionally think it is bollocks as well if that gives any further comfort.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 25, 2015, 06:31:53 PM
If it had been anybody other than Percy I'd have ignored it but it does seem very out of character for him and I doubt, if it's not true, the club are very happy about it.

It's a strange one indeed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on November 25, 2015, 08:39:10 PM
I have just watched Remi's pre Watford match interview on AVTV.
It was very interesting, and he continues to come across very well.
I get the feeling there is some real steel in there, and I think he is fast reaching reaching the point where he has evaluated the players, and is ready to say 'no more Mr.Nice guy, and don't think you can fuck with me'.
I got the impression that he rates Sanchez, but maybe is not too enamoured with Kozak, Gardner and Gabby, although was a bit guarded when he said that he can only judge them by what he sees on the training pitch.

I really, really want this guy to be the one who sorts this club out.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on November 25, 2015, 09:29:58 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on November 25, 2015, 06:31:53 PM
If it had been anybody other than Percy I'd have ignored it but it does seem very out of character for him and I doubt, if it's not true, the club are very happy about it.

It's a strange one indeed.

to save me trawling back through the thread, what is it that percy said please ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 25, 2015, 09:31:17 PM
Quote from: john e on November 25, 2015, 09:29:58 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on November 25, 2015, 06:31:53 PM
If it had been anybody other than Percy I'd have ignored it but it does seem very out of character for him and I doubt, if it's not true, the club are very happy about it.

It's a strange one indeed.

to save me trawling back through the thread, what is it that percy said please ?

Weller is God probably.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: The Left Side on November 26, 2015, 03:24:10 AM
Quote from: andyh on November 25, 2015, 08:39:10 PM
I have just watched Remi's pre Watford match interview on AVTV.
It was very interesting, and he continues to come across very well.
I get the feeling there is some real steel in there, and I think he is fast reaching reaching the point where he has evaluated the players, and is ready to say 'no more Mr.Nice guy, and don't think you can fuck with me'.
I got the impression that he rates Sanchez, but maybe is not too enamoured with Kozak, Gardner and Gabby, although was a bit guarded when he said that he can only judge them by what he sees on the training pitch.

I really, really want this guy to be the one who sorts this club out.




Me too, I just hope he can get us through this season and we stay up...but if it takes a bit longer and a trip to the championship to get our Villa back then so be it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2015, 03:07:50 PM
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Manager Rémi Garde faced the press ahead of the home game against Watford.

Find his pre-match thoughts below.

On the job being more difficult now than when he arrived…

I was not a dreamer.

Now I am within the club - and it is my responsibility to find some solutions quickly because we need them.

On expectations this weekend…

I know that everyone expects us to win the game - and I'm the first one and the players also.

But I am not expecting to have an easy game because if you look at the Watford results until now, they have done very well.

It shows you how good they are.

I think they are still in a positive mood since they have been promoted to the Premier League.

On picking up three points…

We want to, of course, win this game.

We are going to try and do it in the way we want.

But we will also accept a victory in the last minute, no problem with that.

The first minutes will be important for everyone but the result at the end will be more important.

On the application of his players this weekend…

We are very well prepared for this huge game.

Everyone has been training all-together throughout the week.

I appreciate having all my squad for the training sessions.

We have been working hard. I am still very pleased with the way we train, the way they are committed in the training sessions.

I know it's quite new in terms of the way we train and the exercises we are doing in the sessions because every manager has his own way of training.

They have settled in very well in terms of what I have been asking of them.

On the transfer window…

I will see what is possible to do.

There are games to play before the opening of the window.

My responsibility is to do as well as I can do with the players we have currently.

If I am speaking too much about what could happen in the next moment, this is not good for them or for me.

Let's be focused on what we can do now with the players we have.

On Jack Grealish…

Jack is training with the U21 team for the moment.

He won't be included in the squad against Watford.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on November 26, 2015, 03:46:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2015, 03:07:50 PM
Quote
Manager Rémi Garde faced the press ahead of the home game against Watford.

Find his pre-match thoughts below.

On the job being more difficult now than when he arrived…

I was not a dreamer.

Now I am within the club - and it is my responsibility to find some solutions quickly because we need them.

On expectations this weekend…

I know that everyone expects us to win the game - and I'm the first one and the players also.

But I am not expecting to have an easy game because if you look at the Watford results until now, they have done very well.

It shows you how good they are.

I think they are still in a positive mood since they have been promoted to the Premier League.

On picking up three points…

We want to, of course, win this game.

We are going to try and do it in the way we want.

But we will also accept a victory in the last minute, no problem with that.

The first minutes will be important for everyone but the result at the end will be more important.

On the application of his players this weekend…

We are very well prepared for this huge game.

Everyone has been training all-together throughout the week.

I appreciate having all my squad for the training sessions.

We have been working hard. I am still very pleased with the way we train, the way they are committed in the training sessions.

I know it's quite new in terms of the way we train and the exercises we are doing in the sessions because every manager has his own way of training.

They have settled in very well in terms of what I have been asking of them.

On the transfer window…

I will see what is possible to do.

There are games to play before the opening of the window.

My responsibility is to do as well as I can do with the players we have currently.

If I am speaking too much about what could happen in the next moment, this is not good for them or for me.

Let's be focused on what we can do now with the players we have.

On Jack Grealish…

Jack is training with the U21 team for the moment.

He won't be included in the squad against Watford.

Compare that to the crap Sherwood used come out with. A couple of wins under this guy and I can see us improving a lot. Need a win somehow at the weekend though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 26, 2015, 04:31:01 PM
He's trying to change a culture of acceptance and an environment clouded in negativity. Throw in some players who likely aren't taking things as seriously as they should be. It's a lot to ask. We all need a win to start the healing process and to allow him some breathing room and importantly credibility for what he is attempting to do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 26, 2015, 04:38:39 PM
Interesting that Steve Round said he respected the innovation and ideas that Garde was trying at Villa and that he wished him luck with them.
Speaks volumes depending how you interpret it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2015, 04:42:17 PM
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Steve Round has revealed that he didn't join Aston Villa after being offered a more junior position at the club than he had hoped for.

The former Everton and Manchester United No.2 had been in talks with the claret and blues and had been to Bodymoor Heath to meet Remi Garde and his staff.

He told Sky Sports today that the deal just wasn't right for both parties.

He stated: " I met Remi Garde and his staff and I was impressed with what he is trying to do, it's innovative.

"He already had his own staff and assistant on board though and what I was being offered we both saw as being more of a junior role that was not really right for me.

"I was disappointed, Villa are a big club.

"I do want to get into management though and the deal just wasn't right for either of us.

"I wish Villa luck and I hope they get out of it."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 26, 2015, 04:45:50 PM
Thanks PWS.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 26, 2015, 05:14:18 PM
That clears it up and is a classy response from Round. Garde will get his guys in next year.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on November 26, 2015, 05:40:02 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on November 26, 2015, 03:46:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2015, 03:07:50 PM
Quote
Manager Rémi Garde faced the press ahead of the home game against Watford.

Find his pre-match thoughts below.

On the job being more difficult now than when he arrived…

I was not a dreamer.

Now I am within the club - and it is my responsibility to find some solutions quickly because we need them.

On expectations this weekend…

I know that everyone expects us to win the game - and I'm the first one and the players also.

But I am not expecting to have an easy game because if you look at the Watford results until now, they have done very well.

It shows you how good they are.

I think they are still in a positive mood since they have been promoted to the Premier League.

On picking up three points…

We want to, of course, win this game.

We are going to try and do it in the way we want.

But we will also accept a victory in the last minute, no problem with that.

The first minutes will be important for everyone but the result at the end will be more important.

On the application of his players this weekend…

We are very well prepared for this huge game.

Everyone has been training all-together throughout the week.

I appreciate having all my squad for the training sessions.

We have been working hard. I am still very pleased with the way we train, the way they are committed in the training sessions.

I know it's quite new in terms of the way we train and the exercises we are doing in the sessions because every manager has his own way of training.

They have settled in very well in terms of what I have been asking of them.

On the transfer window…

I will see what is possible to do.

There are games to play before the opening of the window.

My responsibility is to do as well as I can do with the players we have currently.

If I am speaking too much about what could happen in the next moment, this is not good for them or for me.

Let's be focused on what we can do now with the players we have.

On Jack Grealish…

Jack is training with the U21 team for the moment.

He won't be included in the squad against Watford.

Compare that to the crap Sherwood used come out with. A couple of wins under this guy and I can see us improving a lot. Need a win somehow at the weekend though.

To be fair Sherwood also noticed the losing mentality at the club. Unfortunately he was unable to do anything about it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 27, 2015, 05:19:11 AM
The article in the Torygraph featuring Micah Richards and his critical comments about his team mates seems clear proof that the dressing room is as divided as it could possibly be.  The seeds of attaching blame for failure on the incoming, largely francophone players, sown by Sherwood (I never wanted them), watered by Wilkins (not good enough to stay up) have now taken hold and the Villa captain whose own performances have left a great deal to be desired, considers it acceptable to criticise his own players in a national newspaper.
Remi Garde now has to start at the very bottom and build a team from scratch. What faces him is far worse than was faced by O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert or Sherwood.
Every true Villa fan with the good of the club at heart must support Remi Garde through thick and thin to sort out the horrible problems he must rectify.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on November 27, 2015, 12:31:32 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 27, 2015, 05:19:11 AM
The article in the Torygraph featuring Micah Richards and his critical comments about his team mates seems clear proof that the dressing room is as divided as it could possibly be.  The seeds of attaching blame for failure on the incoming, largely francophone players, sown by Sherwood (I never wanted them), watered by Wilkins (not good enough to stay up) have now taken hold and the Villa captain whose own performances have left a great deal to be desired, considers it acceptable to criticise his own players in a national newspaper.
Remi Garde now has to start at the very bottom and build a team from scratch. What faces him is far worse than was faced by O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert or Sherwood.
Every true Villa fan with the good of the club at heart must support Remi Garde through thick and thin to sort out the horrible problems he must rectify.

The club comes first and will be around for the supporters long after players have come and gone.

We have had too many 'sticking plaster' seasons recently. It is time to really clear the decks and build for the future.

Somebody posted the 1st Team squad yesterday and when you look at it looks so weak. From memory, there are 2 players out on loan, 2 injured central defenders, a couple of players we have been trying get rid of, 2 makeshift fullback players for cover, a forward that is coming off a serious injury and that is without going into the actual quality of the others.

What was Sherwood doing over the summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave Cooper please on November 27, 2015, 01:06:19 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on November 27, 2015, 12:31:32 PM

What was Sherwood doing over the summer.

Looking in the mirror and masturbating.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 27, 2015, 01:11:47 PM
I think mirror should have a capital M.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on November 27, 2015, 03:30:39 PM
so not so much The Man in the Mirror but The Masturbator in the Mirror
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 27, 2015, 05:30:57 PM
I think I'm turning Japanese.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 27, 2015, 07:21:13 PM
Sort of like from chrysalis to Butterfly, Pat?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on November 29, 2015, 02:02:38 AM
A picture tells a thousand stories.

(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article10518885.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Aston-Villa-manager-Remi-Garde.jpg)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on November 29, 2015, 02:14:50 AM
I actually think Garde could be the perfect fit for us to re-juvinate the club from relegation.

My worry is that Lerner will not back him to the degree that Garde wants in January and Garde will just walk.  I woud'nt blame him either if Lerner turns around and gives him say £10m tops in Jan.  Why have this shit sandwich forever on his CV, he didn't cause it and if the club hierarchy aren't providing the backing he'd feel he requires, really he owes them nothing.

Without be melodramatic, I've a really bad feeling about all this and I really hope I'm wrong. This could get a lot worse yet and the January window will be the catalyst.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villan from luton on November 29, 2015, 02:20:20 AM
Do you not think this would have been discussed when he took the job? Lerner has many faults but seems to be keen on Garde. Lets give him a chance as I liked some of the football being played
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on November 29, 2015, 03:03:21 AM
Quote from: villan from luton on November 29, 2015, 02:20:20 AM
Do you not think this would have been discussed when he took the job? Lerner has many faults but seems to be keen on Garde. Lets give him a chance as I liked some of the football being played


I like Garde too and im sure they'd have discused a transfer window budget for January but a scenario where we're 10+ points adrift will almost certainly have not been discussed.

 That's a budget changing gap and if that becomes a reality things could go either way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on November 29, 2015, 08:16:05 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on November 29, 2015, 02:14:50 AM
I actually think Garde could be the perfect fit for us to re-juvinate the club from relegation.

My worry is that Lerner will not back him to the degree that Garde wants in January and Garde will just walk.  I woud'nt blame him either if Lerner turns around and gives him say £10m tops in Jan.  Why have this shit sandwich forever on his CV, he didn't cause it and if the club hierarchy aren't providing the backing he'd feel he requires, really he owes them nothing.

Without be melodramatic, I've a really bad feeling about all this and I really hope I'm wrong. This could get a lot worse yet and the January window will be the catalyst.


The issue for me is not budge but available relevant targets: who can be brought in to make the difference?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 29, 2015, 08:44:20 AM
I'm really not a fan of Richards. Seems to have a very high opinion of himself. Don't think slagging off your team mates in a national newspaper is going to help. All talking should be done on the training field/dressing room or by the manager. Seems they're all pulling in different directions
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on November 29, 2015, 09:32:46 AM
Why did they wait so fucking long before sacking Dim Tim , they've brought this on themselves. Everyone at the club deserves it, but it will be us that ultimately suffer most.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: devilla on November 29, 2015, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 29, 2015, 09:32:46 AM
Why did they wait so fucking long before sacking Dim Tim , they've brought this on themselves. Everyone at the club deserves it, but it will be us that ultimately suffer most.

The same reason they waited too long before sacking Lambert. They're a bunch of cretins with no idea how to run a football club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on November 29, 2015, 11:05:35 AM
Quote from: itbrvilla on November 29, 2015, 09:32:46 AM
Why did they wait so fucking long before sacking Dim Tim , they've brought this on themselves. Everyone at the club deserves it, but it will be us that ultimately suffer most.

Because they we're Dim enough to appoint Dim Tim in the first place, therefore making them even dimmer than Tim, that's why they collectively make dim decisions all the time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TonyD on November 29, 2015, 02:59:46 PM
I have a horrible feeling that after a few more losses he will be gone before Christmas. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard on November 29, 2015, 03:02:47 PM
It's not good changing the manager all the time though I'd like to see him given the chance to sort us out in the long term
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on November 29, 2015, 04:08:15 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on November 29, 2015, 02:14:50 AM
I actually think Garde could be the perfect fit for us to re-juvinate the club from relegation.

My worry is that Lerner will not back him to the degree that Garde wants in January and Garde will just walk.  I woud'nt blame him either if Lerner turns around and gives him say £10m tops in Jan.  Why have this shit sandwich forever on his CV, he didn't cause it and if the club hierarchy aren't providing the backing he'd feel he requires, really he owes them nothing.

Without be melodramatic, I've a really bad feeling about all this and I really hope I'm wrong. This could get a lot worse yet and the January window will be the catalyst.



I'd like to think the delay in appointing Garde was down to him putting down a few terms and conditions of his own regarding transfer targets and money. Another yes man just happy to be in a job is the last thing we need.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 29, 2015, 04:41:58 PM
If we go down he has to stay. If there is a plan and an actual long term vision or strategy then he has to be given time to fully implement it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 29, 2015, 06:37:20 PM
Quote from: Richard on November 29, 2015, 03:02:47 PM
It's not good changing the manager all the time though I'd like to see him given the chance to sort us out in the long term

I agree, we actually need a long term strategy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 29, 2015, 09:33:45 PM
Quote from: TonyD on November 29, 2015, 02:59:46 PM
I have a horrible feeling that after a few more losses he will be gone before Christmas. 

He ain't going to walk, he knew the challenge before he arrived
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villabear on November 29, 2015, 10:45:37 PM
Apologies in advance if this has been discussed before. Listening to Radio 5 yesterday afternoon Pat Murphy (I know not everyone's favourite on here) was talking about the clubs situation. He said on good authority Paddy Rielly had travelled to Spain to interview David Moyes who apparently was very interested only to decide against appointing him has he wanted too much control over team matters, transfers etc. 
I'm not sure we'd be any better off with Moyes in charge because he'd still have to work with the players 'chosen' by Reilly, Almstadt, Sherwood et al.
Those two along with Fox and Lerner are culpable of making some truly shocking decisions. Let's hope Garde has had some assurances over transfer targets although the longer this run goes on who's going to want to join us?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wozwebs on November 29, 2015, 11:41:53 PM
Main worry is that, come January, we'll be as good as down so Lerner won't put any, or very little, in to the pot.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 29, 2015, 11:45:36 PM
If we go down, I hope Garde stays and gets the chance to shape the club as he wants it to be.

I don't buy into this "manager has no control over signings" bullshit which we had never even heard suggested until Dim Tim started changing his story and moaning he couldn't buy Andros Townsend for 14m
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on November 29, 2015, 11:56:38 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on November 29, 2015, 11:41:53 PM
Main worry is that, come January, we'll be as good as down so Lerner won't put any, or very little, in to the pot.

Which could then lead to Garde making an early call on whether he wants to be part of this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 30, 2015, 12:05:34 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on November 29, 2015, 11:45:36 PM
If we go down, I hope Garde stays and gets the chance to shape the club as he wants it to be.

I don't buy into this "manager has no control over signings" bullshit which we had never even heard suggested until Dim Tim started changing his story and moaning he couldn't buy Andros Townsend for 14m

Totally agree, I'm sick of hearing that rubbish.  As has been said before on here, if signing Adebayor and Townsend were the limits of Dim's imagination I'm bloody glad he was denied full control of the chequebook.  I don't remember him bemoaning his signings in the summer, on the contrary he took every opportunity to imply that he, Dim Tim of Sherwood, had lured them to the club with his astounding charisma and coaching genius.  He might have scraped safety in May, but his legacy is looking more toxic as the weeks go on and the hole we're in gets deeper.  The gobshite may have gone but he's left a stinking kipper in the water tank.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 30, 2015, 12:21:48 AM
Also, Gana, Veretout, Gestede and Traore were all coveted by clubs much higher than we are at the moment. I genuinely believe had Garde rocked up at the start of pre season, we would be much better off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on November 30, 2015, 12:33:01 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 29, 2015, 04:41:58 PM
If we go down he has to stay. If there is a plan and an actual long term vision or strategy then he has to be given time to fully implement it.

Totally agree. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 30, 2015, 01:23:38 AM
Quote from: wozwebs on November 29, 2015, 11:41:53 PM
Main worry is that, come January, we'll be as good as down so Lerner won't put any, or very little, in to the pot.
I dont see the point in January spending unlesss it is to build a team to get out of the Championship, anything else will be shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on November 30, 2015, 01:55:44 AM
Veretout must be kicking himself that he turned down Leicester. Did Traore do likewise with Stoke?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on November 30, 2015, 01:52:30 PM
Yeah stoke and Liverpool.


I do wonder if we need to try and get the rest of the Garde coaching team on board. Who oversaw defensive duties at Lyon? We have fitness and forwards but need a defensive coach asap.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 30, 2015, 02:33:01 PM
The first thing you do when you are utter tripe is shore up your defence and make yourself hard to beat. We desperately, desperately need to do that now, partly to halt the losing streak and partly to give ourselves a platform in matches where we could actually sneak a lucky win via a dodgy deflection / set piece / calamitous decision by the ref.

The only reason I have not accepted relegation as guaranteed is the way Pulis turned things round at Palace 2 years ago, and IIRC he didn't even join until December. I do have a feeling of doom though and can't honestly see us getting out of this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 01, 2015, 01:56:24 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on November 30, 2015, 02:33:01 PM
The first thing you do when you are utter tripe is shore up your defence and make yourself hard to beat. We desperately, desperately need to do that now, partly to halt the losing streak and partly to give ourselves a platform in matches where we could actually sneak a lucky win via a dodgy deflection / set piece / calamitous decision by the ref.

 

I'd agree with this. I did suggest we play 5 across the back away from home a while ago and it might be the way to go if we're going to keep letting in soft goals.

I know we rode our luck against Man City but we proved we can half decently defend when we want to.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on December 01, 2015, 07:26:00 PM
That was before we were starting Richardson at left back mind. He is worth a goal a game to the opposition currently.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on December 04, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Doesn't sound to me like a dude who'd throw it in if we were relegated. Also, a theme of his is that the players must take playing seriously, which you'd think would be a given but it seems not to be. I suspect over time that those who stay in the first XI will have earned it through commitment and loyalty. Great.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10548145):

Remi Garde has told Aston Villa's fringe players that turning out for the Under-21s is a treat, likening it to 'a sweet for a child'.

Libor Kozak and Adama Traore were involved in the development squad's 2-2 draw against Blackburn at Villa Park on Monday.

Garde says that footballers should want to play so much that Under-21 duty should be regarded as a perk, not a punishment.

"When you are a football player, even a reserve game is more like a sweet for a child, because it’s a game and you want to play every game," he explained.

"It’s not a punishment. I was at the game at Villa Park, my staff were also there and I will probably watch a lot of reserve games because it will give me a lot of information.

"It gives to players the fitness to be back in the first team because it’s quite different to a training session.

"Even if the reserve games are not the ones you can find in the Premier League. It’s 11 v 11 a big pitch, it’s an important training session for me and not at all a punishment."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on December 04, 2015, 01:08:32 PM
Quite correct.

I think some players need to change their mentality.

Given the choice between training and playing I'd have thought the latter wins all the time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 04, 2015, 01:33:45 PM
Reading between the lines from comments made by Garde, I think the club has been allowed to drift which has left attitude problems permeating right through the club.

The problem we have now is that the drifting has gone on so long, we are now holed below the waterline.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: MattW on December 04, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Doesn't sound to me like a dude who'd throw it in if we were relegated. Also, a theme of his is that the players must take playing seriously, which you'd think would be a given but it seems not to be. I suspect over time that those who stay in the first XI will have earned it through commitment and loyalty. Great.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10548145):

Remi Garde has told Aston Villa's fringe players that turning out for the Under-21s is a treat, likening it to 'a sweet for a child'.

Libor Kozak and Adama Traore were involved in the development squad's 2-2 draw against Blackburn at Villa Park on Monday.

Garde says that footballers should want to play so much that Under-21 duty should be regarded as a perk, not a punishment.

"When you are a football player, even a reserve game is more like a sweet for a child, because it’s a game and you want to play every game," he explained.

"It’s not a punishment. I was at the game at Villa Park, my staff were also there and I will probably watch a lot of reserve games because it will give me a lot of information.

"It gives to players the fitness to be back in the first team because it’s quite different to a training session.

"Even if the reserve games are not the ones you can find in the Premier League. It’s 11 v 11 a big pitch, it’s an important training session for me and not at all a punishment."
Just meaningless Guff, not in a position to talk about first team performances so lets talk about the reserves.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DeeBoy1 on December 04, 2015, 01:42:42 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: MattW on December 04, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Doesn't sound to me like a dude who'd throw it in if we were relegated. Also, a theme of his is that the players must take playing seriously, which you'd think would be a given but it seems not to be. I suspect over time that those who stay in the first XI will have earned it through commitment and loyalty. Great.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10548145):

Remi Garde has told Aston Villa's fringe players that turning out for the Under-21s is a treat, likening it to 'a sweet for a child'.

Libor Kozak and Adama Traore were involved in the development squad's 2-2 draw against Blackburn at Villa Park on Monday.

Garde says that footballers should want to play so much that Under-21 duty should be regarded as a perk, not a punishment.

"When you are a football player, even a reserve game is more like a sweet for a child, because it’s a game and you want to play every game," he explained.

"It’s not a punishment. I was at the game at Villa Park, my staff were also there and I will probably watch a lot of reserve games because it will give me a lot of information.

"It gives to players the fitness to be back in the first team because it’s quite different to a training session.

"Even if the reserve games are not the ones you can find in the Premier League. It’s 11 v 11 a big pitch, it’s an important training session for me and not at all a punishment."
Just meaningless Guff, not in a position to talk about first team performances so lets talk about the reserves.

That's not how I take it at all, nor others by the sound of it. I'm more than happy to hear how he is trying to chance mindsets across the club. I would also say that he is talking about the first team, in regards to the people who are vying for places.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on December 04, 2015, 01:45:34 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on December 04, 2015, 01:33:45 PM
Reading between the lines from comments made by Garde, I think the club has been allowed to drift which has left attitude problems permeating right through the club.

The problem we have now is that the drifting has gone on so long, we are now holed below the waterline.

Very true. There's a culture of complacency throughout the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 04, 2015, 01:46:06 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: MattW on December 04, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Doesn't sound to me like a dude who'd throw it in if we were relegated. Also, a theme of his is that the players must take playing seriously, which you'd think would be a given but it seems not to be. I suspect over time that those who stay in the first XI will have earned it through commitment and loyalty. Great.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10548145):

Remi Garde has told Aston Villa's fringe players that turning out for the Under-21s is a treat, likening it to 'a sweet for a child'.

Libor Kozak and Adama Traore were involved in the development squad's 2-2 draw against Blackburn at Villa Park on Monday.

Garde says that footballers should want to play so much that Under-21 duty should be regarded as a perk, not a punishment.

"When you are a football player, even a reserve game is more like a sweet for a child, because it’s a game and you want to play every game," he explained.

"It’s not a punishment. I was at the game at Villa Park, my staff were also there and I will probably watch a lot of reserve games because it will give me a lot of information.

"It gives to players the fitness to be back in the first team because it’s quite different to a training session.

"Even if the reserve games are not the ones you can find in the Premier League. It’s 11 v 11 a big pitch, it’s an important training session for me and not at all a punishment."
Just meaningless Guff, not in a position to talk about first team performances so lets talk about the reserves.

It was one of many things he mentioned. He didn't sit through the whole press conference talking about the reserves.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on December 04, 2015, 01:49:47 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: MattW on December 04, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Doesn't sound to me like a dude who'd throw it in if we were relegated. Also, a theme of his is that the players must take playing seriously, which you'd think would be a given but it seems not to be. I suspect over time that those who stay in the first XI will have earned it through commitment and loyalty. Great.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10548145):

Remi Garde has told Aston Villa's fringe players that turning out for the Under-21s is a treat, likening it to 'a sweet for a child'.

Libor Kozak and Adama Traore were involved in the development squad's 2-2 draw against Blackburn at Villa Park on Monday.

Garde says that footballers should want to play so much that Under-21 duty should be regarded as a perk, not a punishment.

"When you are a football player, even a reserve game is more like a sweet for a child, because it’s a game and you want to play every game," he explained.

"It’s not a punishment. I was at the game at Villa Park, my staff were also there and I will probably watch a lot of reserve games because it will give me a lot of information.

"It gives to players the fitness to be back in the first team because it’s quite different to a training session.

"Even if the reserve games are not the ones you can find in the Premier League. It’s 11 v 11 a big pitch, it’s an important training session for me and not at all a punishment."
Just meaningless Guff, not in a position to talk about first team performances so lets talk about the reserves.
Strange interpretation of the comments.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: Mister E on December 04, 2015, 01:49:47 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: MattW on December 04, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Doesn't sound to me like a dude who'd throw it in if we were relegated. Also, a theme of his is that the players must take playing seriously, which you'd think would be a given but it seems not to be. I suspect over time that those who stay in the first XI will have earned it through commitment and loyalty. Great.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10548145):

Remi Garde has told Aston Villa's fringe players that turning out for the Under-21s is a treat, likening it to 'a sweet for a child'.

Libor Kozak and Adama Traore were involved in the development squad's 2-2 draw against Blackburn at Villa Park on Monday.

Garde says that footballers should want to play so much that Under-21 duty should be regarded as a perk, not a punishment.

"When you are a football player, even a reserve game is more like a sweet for a child, because it’s a game and you want to play every game," he explained.

"It’s not a punishment. I was at the game at Villa Park, my staff were also there and I will probably watch a lot of reserve games because it will give me a lot of information.

"It gives to players the fitness to be back in the first team because it’s quite different to a training session.

"Even if the reserve games are not the ones you can find in the Premier League. It’s 11 v 11 a big pitch, it’s an important training session for me and not at all a punishment."
Just meaningless Guff, not in a position to talk about first team performances so lets talk about the reserves.
Strange interpretation of the comments.
Oh yeh sorry, it is totally inspirational, i bet Southampton  are scared shitless with comments like "even a reserve game is like sweet for a child" not his fault but crikey
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: boozey182 on December 04, 2015, 03:35:44 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: Mister E on December 04, 2015, 01:49:47 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: MattW on December 04, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Doesn't sound to me like a dude who'd throw it in if we were relegated. Also, a theme of his is that the players must take playing seriously, which you'd think would be a given but it seems not to be. I suspect over time that those who stay in the first XI will have earned it through commitment and loyalty. Great.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10548145):

Remi Garde has told Aston Villa's fringe players that turning out for the Under-21s is a treat, likening it to 'a sweet for a child'.

Libor Kozak and Adama Traore were involved in the development squad's 2-2 draw against Blackburn at Villa Park on Monday.

Garde says that footballers should want to play so much that Under-21 duty should be regarded as a perk, not a punishment.

"When you are a football player, even a reserve game is more like a sweet for a child, because it’s a game and you want to play every game," he explained.

"It’s not a punishment. I was at the game at Villa Park, my staff were also there and I will probably watch a lot of reserve games because it will give me a lot of information.

"It gives to players the fitness to be back in the first team because it’s quite different to a training session.

"Even if the reserve games are not the ones you can find in the Premier League. It’s 11 v 11 a big pitch, it’s an important training session for me and not at all a punishment."
Just meaningless Guff, not in a position to talk about first team performances so lets talk about the reserves.
Strange interpretation of the comments.
Oh yeh sorry, it is totally inspirational, i bet Southampton  are scared shitless with comments like "even a reserve game is like sweet for a child" not his fault but crikey

I think you might be confusing the purpose of a manger's press conference with that of a pre-fight dressing room  interview on WWE. I doubt Southampton will even read those comments, so I wouldn't get too worked up with how they react to them.

Maybe, if it all goes wrong for Rèmi, we can try the Stone Cold approach when getting our next manager. I suppose seeing our manager chug beers whilst hanging off the corner flag after a victory would put a few more bums on seats....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on December 04, 2015, 03:38:34 PM
Haha! Very good.

I am not sure why anybody would fall out of their pram over his comments that players should be motivated to play football, any sort of football, in response to a question about the under 21/reserves.

I tried to find some of Koeman's comments, but I couldn't be arsed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 04, 2015, 03:49:52 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: MattW on December 04, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Doesn't sound to me like a dude who'd throw it in if we were relegated. Also, a theme of his is that the players must take playing seriously, which you'd think would be a given but it seems not to be. I suspect over time that those who stay in the first XI will have earned it through commitment and loyalty. Great.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10548145):

Remi Garde has told Aston Villa's fringe players that turning out for the Under-21s is a treat, likening it to 'a sweet for a child'.

Libor Kozak and Adama Traore were involved in the development squad's 2-2 draw against Blackburn at Villa Park on Monday.

Garde says that footballers should want to play so much that Under-21 duty should be regarded as a perk, not a punishment.

"When you are a football player, even a reserve game is more like a sweet for a child, because it’s a game and you want to play every game," he explained.

"It’s not a punishment. I was at the game at Villa Park, my staff were also there and I will probably watch a lot of reserve games because it will give me a lot of information.

"It gives to players the fitness to be back in the first team because it’s quite different to a training session.

"Even if the reserve games are not the ones you can find in the Premier League. It’s 11 v 11 a big pitch, it’s an important training session for me and not at all a punishment."
Just meaningless Guff, not in a position to talk about first team performances so lets talk about the reserves.

What a weird interpretation. He's not trying to send a message to Southampton, he's sending a message to our players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on December 04, 2015, 04:11:04 PM
He's trying to address the very obvious problem of morale at the club. Players have to know that what they do matters. Whether they're in the first team, the reserves, the gym, the treatment room. Even - dare I say it - in a nightclub after a game.

If they don't feel that it matters, they won't value their own performances or themselves.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 04, 2015, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: Mister E on December 04, 2015, 01:49:47 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: MattW on December 04, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Doesn't sound to me like a dude who'd throw it in if we were relegated. Also, a theme of his is that the players must take playing seriously, which you'd think would be a given but it seems not to be. I suspect over time that those who stay in the first XI will have earned it through commitment and loyalty. Great.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10548145):

Remi Garde has told Aston Villa's fringe players that turning out for the Under-21s is a treat, likening it to 'a sweet for a child'.

Libor Kozak and Adama Traore were involved in the development squad's 2-2 draw against Blackburn at Villa Park on Monday.

Garde says that footballers should want to play so much that Under-21 duty should be regarded as a perk, not a punishment.

"When you are a football player, even a reserve game is more like a sweet for a child, because it’s a game and you want to play every game," he explained.

"It’s not a punishment. I was at the game at Villa Park, my staff were also there and I will probably watch a lot of reserve games because it will give me a lot of information.

"It gives to players the fitness to be back in the first team because it’s quite different to a training session.

"Even if the reserve games are not the ones you can find in the Premier League. It’s 11 v 11 a big pitch, it’s an important training session for me and not at all a punishment."
Just meaningless Guff, not in a position to talk about first team performances so lets talk about the reserves.
Strange interpretation of the comments.
Oh yeh sorry, it is totally inspirational, i bet Southampton  are scared shitless with comments like "even a reserve game is like sweet for a child" not his fault but crikey

We haven't had a variation on "Oh yes everything's wonderful" as a reply for ages. Thank you.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 04, 2015, 05:05:15 PM
I believe what Remi Garde is trying to do is set down his own principles and his own values. He is saying this is how I see things. He knows the importance of having an identity all the players can relate to. He will not get them playing karaoke on the team bus or hitting Sid at a bonding break. He is laying his cards on the table. He deserves respect for it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 04, 2015, 05:11:50 PM
I think we all understand that on and off the field Aston Villa have not been professional enough over the last few years. Remi sounds like he wants to make everyone at the club understand how important playing for this club is. He's spot on. He has my support. I think we will go down this season, rock bottom too but if he stays we might just bounce back first go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 04, 2015, 06:15:00 PM
I agree with that in spades aj2, and in hearts, clubs and diamonds. I think we will go down but my intuition tells me that in March and April we will start to win on a regular basis and will carry that form down to the Championship, where the immortal words of Ron Saunders will apply to our prospects of bouncing back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on December 04, 2015, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: MattW on December 04, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Doesn't sound to me like a dude who'd throw it in if we were relegated. Also, a theme of his is that the players must take playing seriously, which you'd think would be a given but it seems not to be. I suspect over time that those who stay in the first XI will have earned it through commitment and loyalty. Great.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10548145):

Remi Garde has told Aston Villa's fringe players that turning out for the Under-21s is a treat, likening it to 'a sweet for a child'.

Libor Kozak and Adama Traore were involved in the development squad's 2-2 draw against Blackburn at Villa Park on Monday.

Garde says that footballers should want to play so much that Under-21 duty should be regarded as a perk, not a punishment.

"When you are a football player, even a reserve game is more like a sweet for a child, because it’s a game and you want to play every game," he explained.

"It’s not a punishment. I was at the game at Villa Park, my staff were also there and I will probably watch a lot of reserve games because it will give me a lot of information.

"It gives to players the fitness to be back in the first team because it’s quite different to a training session.

"Even if the reserve games are not the ones you can find in the Premier League. It’s 11 v 11 a big pitch, it’s an important training session for me and not at all a punishment."
Just meaningless Guff, not in a position to talk about first team performances so lets talk about the reserves.

What about if he was specifically asked about first team players playing in the reserves?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 04, 2015, 06:32:40 PM
If you can read French, you might like to read the following article in Libération. It is a character piece, written in 2011 when Garde was at Lyon. I can't be arsed to translate it all but here are some points which might show you that he doesn't go in for "guff".

Esprit de Famille (http://www.liberation.fr/sports/2011/12/12/esprit-de-famille_781103)

We learn that he is is a family man, a Christian, an occasional church-goer who needs to have a life outside of football, he loves going to gigs, votes and is very interested in environmental concerns. But it is what we learn about his approach to human relationships that is interesting:

Quote
Since he has been in charge [at Lyon] the atmosphere has been much more relaxed: the two previous incumbents had a difficult, conflictual relationship with the often capricious players. Garde doesn't like conflicts so he often anticipates... he reaches out when he feels there is a problem. And, of course, he used to be a player... His team talks revolve around pleasure of playing, the game, "sometimes" says Bernard Lacombe "Gérard Baticle and me will be in the dressing room and after [the talk] we'll look at each other and say 'he almost makes us want to get out there and play again'". Garde often draws on micro-events of communal life. "The hardest thing", he says, "is to resist the pressures of society. To help the players think collectively when everything pushes them towards individualism". Claude Puel [the previous Lyon manager] had the same outlook but he fought a very solitary fight against individualistic behaviour. Garde relies on his staff and gets people involved instead of using them. "He is an altruist, he gains nourishment from others", summarises his wife.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on December 04, 2015, 06:46:34 PM
His taste in music is terrible. But then, so is mine I guess.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 04, 2015, 06:48:13 PM
"Sting" Jamiroquai..." He probably likes post-Signing On UB40 too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on December 04, 2015, 06:50:53 PM
Don't even know who Catherine Ringer is but I guarantee she's terrible.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 04, 2015, 06:53:47 PM
Singer from Les Rita Mitsouko. Had a hit with "Marcia Baila" in the UK. Also did some VERY hardcore porn. She is a superb performer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 04, 2015, 06:54:54 PM
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on December 04, 2015, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: Bad English on December 04, 2015, 06:53:47 PM
Also did some VERY hardcore porn. She is a superb performer.

cor blimey
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 04, 2015, 07:01:11 PM
I was on about her musical talents. She is ace.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 04, 2015, 07:47:44 PM
Catherine Ringer can be relied upon to mangle a song. 

This pun is brought to you courtesy of the Save Old Brummie Words Society.  See page 476 app 3c "Wringer, a hand turned device with rollers for pressing water out of wet washing"  "Mangle a hand turned device for pressing water out of wet washing" See "Wringer".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 04, 2015, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: Bad English on December 04, 2015, 06:48:13 PM
"Sting" Jamiroquai..." He probably likes post-Signing On UB40 too.

post signing on?

that really would be too much to bear

please dont make me cry
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 04, 2015, 08:07:07 PM
Nice to know he is a Christian, shows bottle to admit it in this day and age. I don't suppose it says whether he is Catholic or Protestant.  French Protestants are a really lively not like the po faced lot this side of the channel.  When I used to go to the Protestant church in Cannes it was like a party. They had a shit hot organist who could play anything. Hymns were decided by shouts and counter shouts from the body of the congregation.  It was more fun than going to a night club, whatever one of those is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on December 04, 2015, 10:26:25 PM
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Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 05, 2015, 12:15:35 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 04, 2015, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: Mister E on December 04, 2015, 01:49:47 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: MattW on December 04, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Doesn't sound to me like a dude who'd throw it in if we were relegated. Also, a theme of his is that the players must take playing seriously, which you'd think would be a given but it seems not to be. I suspect over time that those who stay in the first XI will have earned it through commitment and loyalty. Great.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10548145):

Remi Garde has told Aston Villa's fringe players that turning out for the Under-21s is a treat, likening it to 'a sweet for a child'.

Libor Kozak and Adama Traore were involved in the development squad's 2-2 draw against Blackburn at Villa Park on Monday.

Garde says that footballers should want to play so much that Under-21 duty should be regarded as a perk, not a punishment.

"When you are a football player, even a reserve game is more like a sweet for a child, because it’s a game and you want to play every game," he explained.

"It’s not a punishment. I was at the game at Villa Park, my staff were also there and I will probably watch a lot of reserve games because it will give me a lot of information.

"It gives to players the fitness to be back in the first team because it’s quite different to a training session.

"Even if the reserve games are not the ones you can find in the Premier League. It’s 11 v 11 a big pitch, it’s an important training session for me and not at all a punishment."
Just meaningless Guff, not in a position to talk about first team performances so lets talk about the reserves.
Strange interpretation of the comments.
Oh yeh sorry, it is totally inspirational, i bet Southampton  are scared shitless with comments like "even a reserve game is like sweet for a child" not his fault but crikey

We haven't had a variation on "Oh yes everything's wonderful" as a reply for ages. Thank you.
Not what I said or meant, but you know that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 05, 2015, 04:17:30 AM
Thanks TB for that extremely interesting information. I shall be seeing Damon's Norwegian mother in law over Christmas and it will be something we can talk about. If that flags I will take up the tack that swedes used to be called Swedish turnips and a variety of swede is the Mangol or Mangold which is of course a shortened form of Mangolworzel much used in the fens both as cattle food and missiles.

If more conversation is needed, the lady is very bookish and I shall ask if she has read Geoffrey Boycott's autobiography modestly titled Greatest Living Englishman in which he relates as a boy falling off the wash house roof and rupturing his spleen on the handle of his mother's mangle.

Viola as Del Boy would say.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Axl Rose on December 05, 2015, 04:54:52 AM
I love Garde. I feel the longer he his here, the better we'll get. It's a massive task for him, but he has my full backing!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on December 05, 2015, 05:31:20 AM
Worth a read.

http://www.tsn.ca/to-keep-villa-up-garde-must-use-his-best-regardless-of-nationality-1.403881
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hillbilly on December 05, 2015, 05:58:16 AM
Brian Green, wurzel is the German for root. So The Wurzels are The Roots which means Adge Cutler is MC Black Thought. Weird.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: robbo1874 on December 05, 2015, 06:38:13 AM
Looks like we'll be going down this season in all honesty. It will be embarassing and it will be a disaster, but you could argue that we kind of need it to happen so things can re-set themselves. It's been absolute shite since MON flounced out. A season in the 2nd division did wonders for us under Taylor last time around. We got rid of all of the shit, rebuilt, had a largely enjoyable season where we won most of our games and it gave us a good platform to challenge for the title the next couple of seasons.
I'd rather we could just turn things round and stay up and then improve, but it doesn't look like happening unfortunately. The scenario outlined above is the next best option. We can't keep on in this perpetual scraping by season after season. Change has to happen one way or another.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on December 05, 2015, 07:12:33 AM
Football has changed, it is not like when we were young that Villa could compete for the League with many  clubs, not only Pool and United but also the likes of Ipswich, Arsenal, Tottenham,  Everton, QPR and others. Nowadays, even if we go down and then come back,  we do not have any chance to return to be a winning team unless we have a new rich owner and probably a new stadium.
This is modern football.....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 05, 2015, 08:47:08 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 04, 2015, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: Bad English on December 04, 2015, 06:48:13 PM
"Sting" Jamiroquai..." He probably likes post-Signing On UB40 too.

post signing on?

that really would be too much to bear

please dont make me cry

It was 'Signing Off'.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 05, 2015, 08:52:44 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 05, 2015, 05:31:20 AM
Worth a read.

http://www.tsn.ca/to-keep-villa-up-garde-must-use-his-best-regardless-of-nationality-1.403881

Definitely. Cheers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on December 05, 2015, 09:08:45 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 05, 2015, 05:31:20 AM
Worth a read.

http://www.tsn.ca/to-keep-villa-up-garde-must-use-his-best-regardless-of-nationality-1.403881
There's some good stuff, here, thanks; despite the eulogies for Carragher and Higginbotham 😊
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on December 05, 2015, 09:41:24 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 05, 2015, 05:31:20 AM
Worth a read.

http://www.tsn.ca/to-keep-villa-up-garde-must-use-his-best-regardless-of-nationality-1.403881

Definitely worth a read, it's just a shame that all the excellent writing that highlighted the tired well worn cliches of the average UK football pundit (and exposing them for what they're worth), was spoiled by his opening few paragraphs where he makes a sweeping generalisation against the Villa support based on a biased and distorted vox pop of Villa fans' opinions on Garde on SSN. SSN quoted a few loudmouth xenophobes, 'spouting we don't want no foreigner in charge here!', because they believe (probably quite correctly) that it caters to the the prejudices of their viewers. The journalist who wrote this otherwise excellent article, used the same quotes because it suited the tone of his piece, making him just as guilty as the pundits really.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holtemeister on December 05, 2015, 09:50:34 AM
Apart from over playing the distain of villa fans at Gardes appointment a little ... cant disagree with much else in this peice.

Refreshingly accurate especially with regard to Grealish.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Brian Taylor on December 05, 2015, 10:12:05 AM
Garde Fou e/w Chepstow 1400  and get some return?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 05, 2015, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 05, 2015, 12:15:35 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 04, 2015, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: Mister E on December 04, 2015, 01:49:47 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: MattW on December 04, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Doesn't sound to me like a dude who'd throw it in if we were relegated. Also, a theme of his is that the players must take playing seriously, which you'd think would be a given but it seems not to be. I suspect over time that those who stay in the first XI will have earned it through commitment and loyalty. Great.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10548145):

Remi Garde has told Aston Villa's fringe players that turning out for the Under-21s is a treat, likening it to 'a sweet for a child'.

Libor Kozak and Adama Traore were involved in the development squad's 2-2 draw against Blackburn at Villa Park on Monday.

Garde says that footballers should want to play so much that Under-21 duty should be regarded as a perk, not a punishment.

"When you are a football player, even a reserve game is more like a sweet for a child, because it’s a game and you want to play every game," he explained.

"It’s not a punishment. I was at the game at Villa Park, my staff were also there and I will probably watch a lot of reserve games because it will give me a lot of information.

"It gives to players the fitness to be back in the first team because it’s quite different to a training session.

"Even if the reserve games are not the ones you can find in the Premier League. It’s 11 v 11 a big pitch, it’s an important training session for me and not at all a punishment."
Just meaningless Guff, not in a position to talk about first team performances so lets talk about the reserves.
Strange interpretation of the comments.
Oh yeh sorry, it is totally inspirational, i bet Southampton  are scared shitless with comments like "even a reserve game is like sweet for a child" not his fault but crikey

We haven't had a variation on "Oh yes everything's wonderful" as a reply for ages. Thank you.
Not what I said or meant, but you know that.

It's exactly what you said.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 05, 2015, 02:10:02 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on December 05, 2015, 08:47:08 AM
It was 'Signing Off'.
It was indeed! :-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 05, 2015, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 05, 2015, 08:52:44 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 05, 2015, 05:31:20 AM
Worth a read.

http://www.tsn.ca/to-keep-villa-up-garde-must-use-his-best-regardless-of-nationality-1.403881

Definitely. Cheers.

Kristian Jack is a football pundit on TSN which is the main sports network in Canada. They are owned by ESPN. Kristian Jack is a Villa fan even though he needs to be neutral on set. I remember when we won 3-2 at Goodison he was practically busting, as we all were. It's a good article, not perfect, but overall quite accurate.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on December 05, 2015, 02:23:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 05, 2015, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 05, 2015, 08:52:44 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 05, 2015, 05:31:20 AM
Worth a read.

http://www.tsn.ca/to-keep-villa-up-garde-must-use-his-best-regardless-of-nationality-1.403881

Definitely. Cheers.

Kristian Jack is a football pundit on TSN which is the main sports network in Canada. They are owned by ESPN. Kristian Jack is a Villa fan even though he needs to be neutral on set. I remember when we won 3-2 at Goodison he was practically busting, as we all were. It's a good article, not perfect, but overall quite accurate.

The Sam Wallace article mentioned is one of the most unbalanced pieces of rubbish I have read for a long time.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on December 05, 2015, 07:34:05 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 05, 2015, 04:17:30 AM
Thanks TB for that extremely interesting information. I shall be seeing Damon's Norwegian mother in law over Christmas and it will be something we can talk about. If that flags I will take up the tack that swedes used to be called Swedish turnips and a variety of swede is the Mangol or Mangold which is of course a shortened form of Mangolworzel much used in the fens both as cattle food and missiles.

If more conversation is needed, the lady is very bookish and I shall ask if she has read Geoffrey Boycott's autobiography modestly titled Greatest Living Englishman in which he relates as a boy falling off the wash house roof and rupturing his spleen on the handle of his mother's mangle.

Viola as Del Boy would say.

Well, I really don't know how to respond to that... I wasn't out to lecture or educate, just wanted to convey my joy of discovering a word I didn't know existed in the English language.

AFAIK, the 'mangle' is closely related to the old war-machine mangonel, the origin an old Greek word meaning 'engine'. Not too sure how any any form of Beta vulgaris comes into it.

I won't bother you again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on December 05, 2015, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: TB on December 05, 2015, 07:34:05 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 05, 2015, 04:17:30 AM
Thanks TB for that extremely interesting information. I shall be seeing Damon's Norwegian mother in law over Christmas and it will be something we can talk about. If that flags I will take up the tack that swedes used to be called Swedish turnips and a variety of swede is the Mangol or Mangold which is of course a shortened form of Mangolworzel much used in the fens both as cattle food and missiles.

If more conversation is needed, the lady is very bookish and I shall ask if she has read Geoffrey Boycott's autobiography modestly titled Greatest Living Englishman in which he relates as a boy falling off the wash house roof and rupturing his spleen on the handle of his mother's mangle.

Viola as Del Boy would say.

Well, I really don't know how to respond to that... I wasn't out to lecture or educate, just wanted to convey my joy of discovering a word I didn't know existed in the English language.

AFAIK, the 'mangle' is closely related to the old war-machine mangonel, the origin an old Greek word meaning 'engine'. Not too sure how any any form of Beta vulgaris comes into it.

I won't bother you again.

I think you might have read Brian's response as being sarcastic, when I'm absolutely sure that it was anything but.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 05, 2015, 07:41:48 PM
What Dave said. No worries.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 05, 2015, 07:46:09 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 05, 2015, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 05, 2015, 12:15:35 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 04, 2015, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: Mister E on December 04, 2015, 01:49:47 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 04, 2015, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: MattW on December 04, 2015, 11:57:39 AM
Doesn't sound to me like a dude who'd throw it in if we were relegated. Also, a theme of his is that the players must take playing seriously, which you'd think would be a given but it seems not to be. I suspect over time that those who stay in the first XI will have earned it through commitment and loyalty. Great.

Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10548145):

Remi Garde has told Aston Villa's fringe players that turning out for the Under-21s is a treat, likening it to 'a sweet for a child'.

Libor Kozak and Adama Traore were involved in the development squad's 2-2 draw against Blackburn at Villa Park on Monday.

Garde says that footballers should want to play so much that Under-21 duty should be regarded as a perk, not a punishment.

"When you are a football player, even a reserve game is more like a sweet for a child, because it’s a game and you want to play every game," he explained.

"It’s not a punishment. I was at the game at Villa Park, my staff were also there and I will probably watch a lot of reserve games because it will give me a lot of information.

"It gives to players the fitness to be back in the first team because it’s quite different to a training session.

"Even if the reserve games are not the ones you can find in the Premier League. It’s 11 v 11 a big pitch, it’s an important training session for me and not at all a punishment."
Just meaningless Guff, not in a position to talk about first team performances so lets talk about the reserves.
Strange interpretation of the comments.
Oh yeh sorry, it is totally inspirational, i bet Southampton  are scared shitless with comments like "even a reserve game is like sweet for a child" not his fault but crikey
"Oh yes everythings wonderfull"

We haven't had a variation on "Oh yes everything's wonderful" as a reply for ages. Thank you.
Not what I said or meant, but you know that.

It's exactly what you said.
Fixed
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 05, 2015, 07:53:24 PM
Don't try to be clever.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on December 05, 2015, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 05, 2015, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: TB on December 05, 2015, 07:34:05 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 05, 2015, 04:17:30 AM
Thanks TB for that extremely interesting information. I shall be seeing Damon's Norwegian mother in law over Christmas and it will be something we can talk about. If that flags I will take up the tack that swedes used to be called Swedish turnips and a variety of swede is the Mangol or Mangold which is of course a shortened form of Mangolworzel much used in the fens both as cattle food and missiles.

If more conversation is needed, the lady is very bookish and I shall ask if she has read Geoffrey Boycott's autobiography modestly titled Greatest Living Englishman in which he relates as a boy falling off the wash house roof and rupturing his spleen on the handle of his mother's mangle.

Viola as Del Boy would say.

Well, I really don't know how to respond to that... I wasn't out to lecture or educate, just wanted to convey my joy of discovering a word I didn't know existed in the English language.

AFAIK, the 'mangle' is closely related to the old war-machine mangonel, the origin an old Greek word meaning 'engine'. Not too sure how any any form of Beta vulgaris comes into it.

I won't bother you again.

I think you might have read Brian's response as being sarcastic, when I'm absolutely sure that it was anything but.

Thank you. I do hope you are correct, as I really do like Brian's posts (in general, that is :-) ). No, I didn't read it as being sarcastic, I read it as being snide.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 05, 2015, 10:49:33 PM
We are progressing. I think it's vital Okore players from now on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on December 05, 2015, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 05, 2015, 10:49:33 PM
We are progressing. I think it's vital Okore players from now on.
I still want to see Richards at right back if Okore is playing centre, to me it's a complete no brainer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on December 05, 2015, 11:26:18 PM
Quote from: TB on December 05, 2015, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 05, 2015, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: TB on December 05, 2015, 07:34:05 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 05, 2015, 04:17:30 AM
Thanks TB for that extremely interesting information. I shall be seeing Damon's Norwegian mother in law over Christmas and it will be something we can talk about. If that flags I will take up the tack that swedes used to be called Swedish turnips and a variety of swede is the Mangol or Mangold which is of course a shortened form of Mangolworzel much used in the fens both as cattle food and missiles.

If more conversation is needed, the lady is very bookish and I shall ask if she has read Geoffrey Boycott's autobiography modestly titled Greatest Living Englishman in which he relates as a boy falling off the wash house roof and rupturing his spleen on the handle of his mother's mangle.

Viola as Del Boy would say.

Well, I really don't know how to respond to that... I wasn't out to lecture or educate, just wanted to convey my joy of discovering a word I didn't know existed in the English language.

AFAIK, the 'mangle' is closely related to the old war-machine mangonel, the origin an old Greek word meaning 'engine'. Not too sure how any any form of Beta vulgaris comes into it.

I won't bother you again.

I think you might have read Brian's response as being sarcastic, when I'm absolutely sure that it was anything but.

Thank you. I do hope you are correct, as I really do like Brian's posts (in general, that is :-) ). No, I didn't read it as being sarcastic, I read it as being snide.

Brian's a big fan of the whimsical anecdote, but I'm absolutely positive that he'd not look to be snide toward anybody. I'm absolutely sure he was just joining in your enthusiasm.

And as for not being out to "educate or lecture", I'd hate to think of people seeing that as a bad thing - I learn more stuff from this site than the rest of the Internet combined and there's no way I'd want newer/less frequent posters to think that they shouldn't contribute to that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 06, 2015, 12:09:17 AM
Quote from: Ian J on December 05, 2015, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 05, 2015, 10:49:33 PM
We are progressing. I think it's vital Okore players from now on.
I still want to see Richards at right back if Okore is playing centre, to me it's a complete no brainer.

Me too. Hutton can switch to left back (lets face it, of all the options, he at least gives his all) for a few weeks, Richards plays right and Lescott and Okore central.

I still think a lot of our problems come from the lack of protection in front of them too though, and Sanchez is just too inconsistent. We need someone like Petrov became sitting there, dictating the play but also reading the danger. Who, how, what though, I am not sure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on December 06, 2015, 12:32:48 AM
Garde certainly has his work cut out. The likes of Bacuna, Guzan and Lescott, even Sanchez, being regular first teamers is bound to frustrate him. Good to see Jores back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on December 06, 2015, 02:44:56 AM
Quote from: TB on December 05, 2015, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 05, 2015, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: TB on December 05, 2015, 07:34:05 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 05, 2015, 04:17:30 AM
Thanks TB for that extremely interesting information. I shall be seeing Damon's Norwegian mother in law over Christmas and it will be something we can talk about. If that flags I will take up the tack that swedes used to be called Swedish turnips and a variety of swede is the Mangol or Mangold which is of course a shortened form of Mangolworzel much used in the fens both as cattle food and missiles.

If more conversation is needed, the lady is very bookish and I shall ask if she has read Geoffrey Boycott's autobiography modestly titled Greatest Living Englishman in which he relates as a boy falling off the wash house roof and rupturing his spleen on the handle of his mother's mangle.

Viola as Del Boy would say.

Well, I really don't know how to respond to that... I wasn't out to lecture or educate, just wanted to convey my joy of discovering a word I didn't know existed in the English language.

AFAIK, the 'mangle' is closely related to the old war-machine mangonel, the origin an old Greek word meaning 'engine'. Not too sure how any any form of Beta vulgaris comes into it.

I won't bother you again.

I think you might have read Brian's response as being sarcastic, when I'm absolutely sure that it was anything but.

Thank you. I do hope you are correct, as I really do like Brian's posts (in general, that is :-) ). No, I didn't read it as being sarcastic, I read it as being snide.

You certainly got the wrong end of the stick - I'd read it back a few more times.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: avfcdale on December 06, 2015, 08:05:23 AM
Quote from: brian green on December 04, 2015, 07:47:44 PM
Catherine Ringer can be relied upon to mangle a song. 

This pun is brought to you courtesy of the Save Old Brummie Words Society.  See page 476 app 3c "Wringer, a hand turned device with rollers for pressing water out of wet washing"  "Mangle a hand turned device for pressing water out of wet washing" See "Wringer".
Love this, is there a thread for old brummie words and sayings?

what with this and gaining a point away from home, i no longer have a face as long as Livery Street.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on December 06, 2015, 08:38:14 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 06, 2015, 12:09:17 AM

I still think a lot of our problems come from the lack of protection in front of them too though, and Sanchez is just too inconsistent. We need someone like Petrov became sitting there, dictating the play but also reading the danger. Who, how, what though, I am not sure.
The player that could have played this role is Darren Fletcher, but Tiny P got him. He's now playing well for the Bitters.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on December 06, 2015, 08:38:30 AM
I saw an ale yesterday called BHACKER ACKHAMS  by two towers brewery. Now back of rackhams is a proper brummie term
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on December 06, 2015, 08:47:57 AM
Just seen the highlights. Garde looks knackered already!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on December 06, 2015, 09:29:56 AM
I'm sure we had a thread one time regarding words and sayings that we thought were peculiar to Birmingham only.  I remember posting 'Glarnies' in it as a word we, as kids used to call marbles.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on December 06, 2015, 10:36:33 AM
Quote from: Mister E on December 06, 2015, 08:47:57 AM
Just seen the highlights. Garde looks knackered already!

When he first joined I said to my old man, just watch how grey he goes by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bobdylan on December 06, 2015, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 06, 2015, 12:09:17 AM
Quote from: Ian J on December 05, 2015, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 05, 2015, 10:49:33 PM
We are progressing. I think it's vital Okore players from now on.
I still want to see Richards at right back if Okore is playing centre, to me it's a complete no brainer.

Me too. Hutton can switch to left back (lets face it, of all the options, he at least gives his all) for a few weeks, Richards plays right and Lescott and Okore central.

I still think a lot of our problems come from the lack of protection in front of them too though, and Sanchez is just too inconsistent. We need someone like Petrov became sitting there, dictating the play but also reading the danger. Who, how, what though, I am not sure.

I also agree, I think in Jan our priority should be dcm as well as keeper and striker.  Defensively now Okore and Illori are fit we should be alright.  I'd leave Baker and Bennett on loan but I'd be tempted to bring Senderos and Cissokho back in
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on December 06, 2015, 12:20:26 PM
Is this Llori any good? We haven't seen him
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2015, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on December 06, 2015, 12:20:26 PM
Is this Llori any good? We haven't seen him

He looked good for Portugal in the U21's last summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on December 06, 2015, 12:23:23 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 06, 2015, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on December 06, 2015, 12:20:26 PM
Is this Llori any good? We haven't seen him

He looked good for Portugal in the U21's last summer.


Is he an out and out centre back or could he play left back?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on December 06, 2015, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on December 06, 2015, 09:29:56 AM
I'm sure we had a thread one time regarding words and sayings that we thought were peculiar to Birmingham only.  I remember posting 'Glarnies' in it as a word we, as kids used to call marbles.

Not heard that one
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 06, 2015, 08:34:22 PM
TB I did not pick up on your feeling that I was being snide. I am really sorry that I gave that impression it was intended to amuse not offend. It was also a little in joke with my son who knows how hard I find it to chat to his mother in law.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DB on December 06, 2015, 08:38:20 PM
Open question. Since Garde took over, do you think there is signs that he is improving things and thus hope (even very small) that he can turn it aroumd? We can't still be as bad as under TS can we..?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Confusious says on December 06, 2015, 08:47:00 PM
Dave Shelley is exactly right, same age group as Dave and from Aston area
Gladness was the name, also we played gutter on the way to school and back which was probably
Dangerouse
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on December 06, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 06, 2015, 08:34:22 PM
TB I did not pick up on your feeling that I was being snide. I am really sorry that I gave that impression it was intended to amuse not offend. It was also a little in joke with my son who knows how hard I find it to chat to his mother in law.

Brian: thank you. Several posters on here have indeed suggested that I had misread your comment. I guess there's a particular level of British humour that I haven't been able to fathom. Bearing in mind that I've read far more books in English than Norwegian over the past 30 years - and even spent some time working in the UK - I fear that it might turn out to be beyond me. A depressing thought, as I have until now imagined that I had a fairly decent understanding of the English language.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 06, 2015, 08:34:22 PM
TB I did not pick up on your feeling that I was being snide. I am really sorry that I gave that impression it was intended to amuse not offend. It was also a little in joke with my son who knows how hard I find it to chat to his mother in law.

Brian: thank you. Several posters on here have indeed suggested that I had misread your comment. I guess there's a particular level of British humour that I haven't been able to fathom. Bearing in mind that I've read far more books in English than Norwegian over the past 30 years - and even spent some time working in the UK - I fear that it might turn out to be beyond me. A depressing thought, as I have until now imagined that I had a fairly decent understanding of the English language.

English isn't your first language? I had no idea!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 06, 2015, 10:06:01 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
I have until now imagined that I had a fairly decent understanding of the English language.
Tell us what a "cob" is and we'll believe you. Also, if I offer you a "piece" what would you do with it? ;-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on December 06, 2015, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 06, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
English isn't your first language? I had no idea!


Thank you :-) No, Norwegian born and bred. I picked up an Agatha Christie paperback at the age of 13 and decided that I wanted to read it - and I eventually did, consulting an English/Norwegian dictionary at a rate of approximately one word in three at the outset.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on December 06, 2015, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 06, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
English isn't your first language? I had no idea!


Thank you :-) No, Norwegian born and bred. I picked up an Agatha Christie paperback at the age of 13 and decided that I wanted to read it - and I eventually did, consulting an English/Norwegian dictionary at a rate of approximately one word in three at the outset.


Where abouts in Norway?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on December 06, 2015, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: Bad English on December 06, 2015, 10:06:01 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
I have until now imagined that I had a fairly decent understanding of the English language.
Tell us what a "cob" is and we'll believe you. Also, if I offer you a "piece" what would you do with it? ;-)

Now you're just being mean :-) I said that I believed I had a fairly decent understanding of the English language, not that I had mastered every nuance, dialect or any kind cockney rhyming slang...

The first thing that comes to my mind when someone says 'cob' to me is maize - corn cobs. It could be a building material, and also a short-legged horse.

A 'piece' is to me a gun, or a graffiti artwork. If you offered me a piece of chocolate, I'd accept it :-) or possibly a piece of land...

I'm absolutely certain I've missed out on several other meanings, but so be it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on December 06, 2015, 10:26:42 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on December 06, 2015, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 06, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
English isn't your first language? I had no idea!


Thank you :-) No, Norwegian born and bred. I picked up an Agatha Christie paperback at the age of 13 and decided that I wanted to read it - and I eventually did, consulting an English/Norwegian dictionary at a rate of approximately one word in three at the outset.


Where abouts in Norway?

Oslo for the past 30 years. (Edit: time does fly, doesn't it?)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 06, 2015, 10:41:33 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: Bad English on December 06, 2015, 10:06:01 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
I have until now imagined that I had a fairly decent understanding of the English language.
Tell us what a "cob" is and we'll believe you. Also, if I offer you a "piece" what would you do with it? ;-)

Now you're just being mean :-)
You know it was in jest.

A cob is a crusty bread roll (people from up north call them Barm cakes) . A piece is what people from Birmingham call a sandwich. ;-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on December 06, 2015, 10:44:02 PM
Quote from: Bad English on December 06, 2015, 10:41:33 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: Bad English on December 06, 2015, 10:06:01 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
I have until now imagined that I had a fairly decent understanding of the English language.
Tell us what a "cob" is and we'll believe you. Also, if I offer you a "piece" what would you do with it? ;-)

Now you're just being mean :-)
You know it was in jest.

A cob is a crusty bread roll (people from up north call them Barm cakes) . A piece is what people from Birmingham call a sandwich. ;-)

Yes, I know, hence the smiley. The bread roll really was a Doh! moment - I know I have encountered that particular word before. The piece/sandwich was totally new to me. Thank you.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on December 06, 2015, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 06, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
English isn't your first language? I had no idea!


Thank you :-) No, Norwegian born and bred. I picked up an Agatha Christie paperback at the age of 13 and decided that I wanted to read it - and I eventually did, consulting an English/Norwegian dictionary at a rate of approximately one word in three at the outset.


Went to see 'And Then There Were None' a couple of months ago. I cannot bloody stand Agatha Christie stuff. Okay storyline that has to have a ridiculous leap of fantasy to make the whodunnit twist believable. Rubbish shite.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 06, 2015, 10:56:29 PM
It's a good job she didn't sell many books then, eh Peter? :-D
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on December 06, 2015, 11:06:21 PM
Quote from: peter w on December 06, 2015, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 06, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
English isn't your first language? I had no idea!


Thank you :-) No, Norwegian born and bred. I picked up an Agatha Christie paperback at the age of 13 and decided that I wanted to read it - and I eventually did, consulting an English/Norwegian dictionary at a rate of approximately one word in three at the outset.


Went to see 'And Then There Were None' a couple of months ago. I cannot bloody stand Agatha Christie stuff. Okay storyline that has to have a ridiculous leap of fantasy to make the whodunnit twist believable. Rubbish shite.

Well, I was just describing how I started out reading English books. As luck would have it, I found an Agatha Christie paperback and decided that I'd give it a shot. It turned out to be quite a chore getting through it, but worthwhile in retrospect. (And I prefer John Dickson Carr and Dorothy L. Sayers if we're discussing whodunnit authors...)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 07, 2015, 08:54:19 AM
Big relief to know that I have not upset you TB.  I thought you were a Brummie. Good job I did not launch into Volume 2 of Brummie Loyk It Wam which explores the sub patois of posh pronunciation wherein words are gentrified - kettle becomes kekkul, bottle becomes bokkul, album becomes albun (see Peaky Blinders) and mangle the word that started this prance around the mulberry bush was pronounced mandle by aspirational guttersnipes like those from whom I am descended.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on December 07, 2015, 09:23:19 AM
Quote from: Bad English on December 06, 2015, 10:06:01 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
I have until now imagined that I had a fairly decent understanding of the English language.
Tell us what a "cob" is and we'll believe you. Also, if I offer you a "piece" what would you do with it? ;-)

B E one of my first experiences in oz was in a shop asking for a cob and was told they didn't have any, when i pointed to them on the shelf a very indignant assistant said that is not a cob it's a round roll. Obviously some words didn't travel.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on December 07, 2015, 09:25:09 AM
I would have walked out in disgust after buying some.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Brian Taylor on December 07, 2015, 10:21:40 AM
Cob: Aristocrat to a horse to a pipe

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/cob

'Cob on mite'.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on December 07, 2015, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: Bad English on December 06, 2015, 10:06:01 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
I have until now imagined that I had a fairly decent understanding of the English language.
Tell us what a "cob" is and we'll believe you. Also, if I offer you a "piece" what would you do with it? ;-)

Now you're just being mean :-) I said that I believed I had a fairly decent understanding of the English language, not that I had mastered every nuance, dialect or any kind cockney rhyming slang...

The first thing that comes to my mind when someone says 'cob' to me is maize - corn cobs. It could be a building material, and also a short-legged horse.

A 'piece' is to me a gun, or a graffiti artwork. If you offered me a piece of chocolate, I'd accept it :-) or possibly a piece of land...

I'm absolutely certain I've missed out on several other meanings, but so be it.


Surely a piece is a sandwich?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: in exile on December 07, 2015, 01:13:23 PM
Quote from: Mortimer's Bear on December 07, 2015, 01:10:27 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 10:25:53 PM
Quote from: Bad English on December 06, 2015, 10:06:01 PM
Quote from: TB on December 06, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
I have until now imagined that I had a fairly decent understanding of the English language.
Tell us what a "cob" is and we'll believe you. Also, if I offer you a "piece" what would you do with it? ;-)

Now you're just being mean :-) I said that I believed I had a fairly decent understanding of the English language, not that I had mastered every nuance, dialect or any kind cockney rhyming slang...

The first thing that comes to my mind when someone says 'cob' to me is maize - corn cobs. It could be a building material, and also a short-legged horse.

A 'piece' is to me a gun, or a graffiti artwork. If you offered me a piece of chocolate, I'd accept it :-) or possibly a piece of land...

I'm absolutely certain I've missed out on several other meanings, but so be it.


Surely a piece is a sandwich?
I thought a piece was just a slice of bread
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 07, 2015, 01:17:10 PM
Also a Cob is a bad mood, He got a bit of a Cob on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: in exile on December 07, 2015, 02:45:12 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 07, 2015, 01:17:10 PM
Also a Cob is a bad mood, He got a bit of a Cob on.
Who has?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on December 07, 2015, 03:06:24 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 07, 2015, 01:17:10 PM
Also a Cob is a bad mood, He got a bit of a Cob on.
Not to be confused with got a lob on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2015, 03:09:50 PM
So Remi thinks that Gestede played well against Southampton. Must have found Sherwood's "Fucking Idiot" tablets.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on December 07, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
Sandwich is far to posh a reference for a 'piece'.
A piece consisted of a single slice of bread spread with, butter/marge/jam or meat or fish paste.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on December 07, 2015, 03:14:48 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 07, 2015, 08:54:19 AM
Big relief to know that I have not upset you TB.  I thought you were a Brummie. Good job I did not launch into Volume 2 of Brummie Loyk It Wam which explores the sub patois of posh pronunciation wherein words are gentrified - kettle becomes kekkul, bottle becomes bokkul, album becomes albun (see Peaky Blinders) and mangle the word that started this prance around the mulberry bush was pronounced mandle by aspirational guttersnipes like those from whom I am descended.

Brian, no worries. I have to agree, though: I think your Volume 2 would have left me utterly bewildered - even more than your family in-joke did. If you want any additional conversation-starters comparing English and Norwegian etymology just let me know - but hopefully there's a better place than the Rémi Garde thread for that on this site? I feel I have taken this thread too much off topic already (with the help of others, obviously).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 07, 2015, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: andyh on December 07, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
Sandwich is far to posh a reference for a 'piece'.
A piece consisted of a single slice of bread spread with, butter/marge/jam or meat or fish paste.

Or dipped healthily in hot bacon fat.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on December 07, 2015, 03:29:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 07, 2015, 03:09:50 PM
So Remi thinks that Gestede played well against Southampton. Must have found Sherwood's "Fucking Idiot" tablets.

He did play well, for the back end of a pantomime horse. I'm sure the festive season will help Remi brush up on this vital English phrase.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 07, 2015, 03:30:22 PM
Quote from: andyh on December 07, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
Sandwich is far to posh a reference for a 'piece'.
A piece consisted of a single slice of bread spread with, butter/marge/jam or meat or fish paste.

Or even dry bread.  I've never heard of a piece being referred to as a sandwich.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2015, 04:00:05 PM
A piece in our house was a slice of bread with dripping. Usually with loads of salt on top. Healthy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: avfcdale on December 07, 2015, 04:08:28 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 07, 2015, 04:00:05 PM
A piece in our house was a slice of bread with dripping. Usually with loads of salt on top. Healthy.
Agree

it was either beef dripping or condensed milk
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dr Butler on December 07, 2015, 04:10:04 PM
Quote from: andyh on December 07, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
Sandwich is far to posh a reference for a 'piece'.
A piece consisted of a single slice of bread spread with, butter/marge/jam or meat or fish paste.

this is what I was always thought a piece was, as my Dad would always ask for a piece to soak up his gravy...

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 07, 2015, 04:11:30 PM
Lived in Birmingham all my life and I've never heard anyone refer to a sandwich as a piece. I feel like I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldtimernow on December 07, 2015, 04:29:15 PM
a piece always went with tinned fruit cocktail and condensed milk for afters
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 07, 2015, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 07, 2015, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: andyh on December 07, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
Sandwich is far to posh a reference for a 'piece'.
A piece consisted of a single slice of bread spread with, butter/marge/jam or meat or fish paste.

Or dipped healthily in hot bacon fat.

My favourite was in the bottom of the roasting tray as the lamb or beef joint was cooking on a Sunday. Couldn't go letting perfectly good fat get wasted.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on December 07, 2015, 05:00:45 PM
I read the use of the word Jasper on H&V  and immediately heard a bloke from Leicester at a wedding outside Paris say 'look at the fucking size of that jasper'.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on December 07, 2015, 05:01:43 PM
How does he spell mom? Should be fucking banned if you use an u or a instead of an o.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on December 07, 2015, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on December 07, 2015, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 07, 2015, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: andyh on December 07, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
Sandwich is far to posh a reference for a 'piece'.
A piece consisted of a single slice of bread spread with, butter/marge/jam or meat or fish paste.

Or dipped healthily in hot bacon fat.

My favourite was in the bottom of the roasting tray as the lamb or beef joint was cooking on a Sunday. Couldn't go letting perfectly good fat get wasted.
o still have the occasional dripping butty when I see my Grandma.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on December 07, 2015, 05:06:03 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on December 07, 2015, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on December 07, 2015, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 07, 2015, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: andyh on December 07, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
Sandwich is far to posh a reference for a 'piece'.
A piece consisted of a single slice of bread spread with, butter/marge/jam or meat or fish paste.

Or dipped healthily in hot bacon fat.

My favourite was in the bottom of the roasting tray as the lamb or beef joint was cooking on a Sunday. Couldn't go letting perfectly good fat get wasted.
o still have the occasional dripping butty when I see my Grandma.

Butty? Northern ape. It's a piece.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on December 07, 2015, 05:07:21 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on December 07, 2015, 05:06:03 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on December 07, 2015, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on December 07, 2015, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 07, 2015, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: andyh on December 07, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
Sandwich is far to posh a reference for a 'piece'.
A piece consisted of a single slice of bread spread with, butter/marge/jam or meat or fish paste.

Or dipped healthily in hot bacon fat.

My favourite was in the bottom of the roasting tray as the lamb or beef joint was cooking on a Sunday. Couldn't go letting perfectly good fat get wasted.
o still have the occasional dripping butty when I see my Grandma.

Butty? Northern ape. It's a piece.
she's from stoke.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: St AustellAVFC on December 07, 2015, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla link=topic=54969.msg2968853#msg2968853 date=1449507703er
How does he spell mom? Should be fucking banned if you use an u or a instead of an o.

Haha, we had a meeting at school with my daughters teacher because he couldn't understand why she kept putting mom in her work instead of mum. I also had a mug made for my wife from the kids, specifically told the bloke to put mom but he still went ahead and printed mum. The mug was re printed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on December 07, 2015, 05:33:24 PM
Quote from: St AustellAVFC on December 07, 2015, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla link=topic=54969.msg2968853#msg2968853 date=1449507703er
How does he spell mom? Should be fucking banned if you use an u or a instead of an o.

Haha, we had a meeting at school with my daughters teacher because he couldn't understand why she kept putting mom in her work instead of mum. I also had a mug made for my wife from the kids, specifically told the bloke to put mom but he still went ahead and printed mum. The mug was re printed.
To fucking right. I hope you told him to shove it up his arse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on December 07, 2015, 05:44:35 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on December 07, 2015, 05:06:03 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on December 07, 2015, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on December 07, 2015, 05:00:17 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 07, 2015, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: andyh on December 07, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
Sandwich is far to posh a reference for a 'piece'.
A piece consisted of a single slice of bread spread with, butter/marge/jam or meat or fish paste.

Or dipped healthily in hot bacon fat.

My favourite was in the bottom of the roasting tray as the lamb or beef joint was cooking on a Sunday. Couldn't go letting perfectly good fat get wasted.
o still have the occasional dripping butty when I see my Grandma.

Butty? Northern ape. It's a piece.
My grandad referred to it as a piecey.
He was always a bit of a rebel, though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Smirker on December 07, 2015, 05:56:23 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 07, 2015, 04:11:30 PM
Lived in Birmingham all my life and I've never heard anyone refer to a sandwich as a piece. I feel like I'm missing something.

Maybe it's your age. I'm probably one of the youngest on here and I've not heard it either. Have heard cob though, use that one myself.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: class-of-82 on December 07, 2015, 06:36:16 PM
Tb
Do you ever go to blommenholm much had a good friend there years ago met him after Norway beat england in the early eighties
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on December 07, 2015, 07:19:09 PM
Quote from: class-of-82 on December 07, 2015, 06:36:16 PM
Tb
Do you ever go to blommenholm much had a good friend there years ago met him after Norway beat england in the early eighties

No, sorry - it's on the other side of the city, so I rarely go there. I pass through occasionally when going further westward.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 07, 2015, 08:59:02 PM
Yes. Sorry for calling it a sandwich. I have lived away too long. A piece was indeed a slice with jam or whatever on it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on December 08, 2015, 12:55:25 PM
Quote from: TB on December 07, 2015, 03:14:48 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 07, 2015, 08:54:19 AM
Big relief to know that I have not upset you TB.  I thought you were a Brummie. Good job I did not launch into Volume 2 of Brummie Loyk It Wam which explores the sub patois of posh pronunciation wherein words are gentrified - kettle becomes kekkul, bottle becomes bokkul, album becomes albun (see Peaky Blinders) and mangle the word that started this prance around the mulberry bush was pronounced mandle by aspirational guttersnipes like those from whom I am descended.

Brian, no worries. I have to agree, though: I think your Volume 2 would have left me utterly bewildered - even more than your family in-joke did. If you want any additional conversation-starters comparing English and Norwegian etymology just let me know - but hopefully there's a better place than the Rémi Garde thread for that on this site? I feel I have taken this thread too much off topic already (with the help of others, obviously).

You'll fit in here quite nicely.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2015, 02:27:40 PM
Quote from: Bad English on December 07, 2015, 08:59:02 PM
Yes. Sorry for calling it a sandwich. I have lived away too long. A piece was indeed a slice with jam or whatever on it.

Foie gras probably, you big posh sod! 😉
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on December 09, 2015, 06:06:28 PM
I lived in a lovely Cheltonian bubble where rolls were rolls until I did college in Coventry (batch indeed). With a lad from Blackburn twatting on about barmcakes. And then I moved to Brum. And then the Black Country.....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 09, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on December 09, 2015, 06:06:28 PM
I lived in a lovely Cheltonian bubble where rolls were rolls until I did college in Coventry (batch indeed). With a lad from Blackburn twatting on about barmcakes. And then I moved to Brum. And then the Black Country.....

The residential equivalent of the  blues.  Going up, going down etc.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Uknowthescore on December 13, 2015, 10:38:14 AM
Sorry can't do links. This was taken from a French football magazine

Remi Garde: “It was necessary that I arrived in an ambulance.
Speaking to L’Équipe, Aston Villa manager Remi Garde looked back on his first few weeks at the helm of the Premier League strugglers. Extracts.

Aston Villa are 20th. Do you tell yourself that you have not started your England managerial career in the best place?

Of course the standings are paramount in the short term, but there are other things: I had quite a special meeting with the owner, and I needed this connection. The project is not simply about saving the club’s position in the Premier League. We have to rebuild a team that, according to what I have been told, was not sufficiently built with solid foundations. For the last three or four seasons now, Villa has only just saved itself. So things are not functioning well, despite having the ninth biggest budget in the Premier League.

On his first month in charge…

It is not like I am discovering a new type of job. It is certainly quite peculiar to arrive whilst the season is ongoing, at the head of a team who had just lost seven matches in a row. It was necessary that I arrived in an ambulance, in some way. The job is not different, for the moment, because I am concentrating on the team and in terms of finding solutions as to how we play.

Are you annoyed at Lyon President Jean Michel Aulas for not allowing you to bring some of your former coaching staff with you to Aston Villa?

No, I am not annoyed with him, because I understand his position, especially at the time at which I asked him. Aside from that, I did not have any choice but to ask him, and I am sure that he understood that I was going to do so. But I tried because it was very important for me, and it remains so. In terms of the role of manager in England, there are boxes that I still need to fill.

Your coaching staff is really quite small…

Yes, it is missing at least one person. But this has also allowed me to spend more time directly with my players, instead of immediately taking a back seat like a manager. I needed to be close to them at the start.

Would avoiding relegation be a feat?

Oh of course. I have said to the players: that is our title for the season, succeed in doing something that nobody can see us doing, and that has never been done.

If you are relegated, will you remain at Aston Villa?

My discussions with the owner also covered that. I wanted certain assurances, and he said to me that if the club was relegated that the project would remain in place, and that he was counting on me to keep it going. So I am working for the medium-term too.

But would you want to stay?

I would want to stay if I feel that everyone is behind me, yes. A season in the Championship, it is not what people dream of, but we can rebuild the foundations of this club quite quickly. Relegation, nobody wants that, but if we are in the Championship and the club still wants me, I will go again with Villa, the answer is yes.

Will the January transfer window radically change the face of your team?

Radically, I don’t know, but it could change, yes, and I hope that it will change. Sometimes, the window is not a welcome thing, it can destabilise a team, but in our case, we could benefit from it.

On Sunday you play against Arsenal and Arsène Wenger, is this a little bit special for you?

A little bit, but I do not want to overdo it either. It brings a tear to the eye because it is thanks to this club and the very same manager that I was able to discover nearly 20 years ago English football that I so love.

Have you spoken to him on the phone?

Not since I arrived. But I spoke to him before, yes. I spoke to him when I had other contacts with English clubs (Newcastle and Sunderland). I called him (this time), but I already had a great desire to come here. His advice is always very informative.

Arsène had always said very positive things about you, and generally speaking it is thought that he does not speak to his players…

He speaks only a little, but he always hits the nail on the head. That is Arsène’s strength. He is a great communicator, not in terms of quantity but in terms of quality. As he speaks only a little, when he does, everyone is always listening. And like all the managers, when he speaks to the press, he is also speaking to his players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on December 13, 2015, 10:55:48 AM
Thanks for pasting that article. Again, Garde is the most impressive Villa employee I have heard discuss the club for quite a while. It's reassuring both that he expects to stay on if relegated and that he expects that stay in the Championship to only be a year. While yes, of course I am extremely vested in us staying up, the fall will be cushioned somewhat by his staying on. An incredibly difficult project he's taken on and given he's realistic and pragmatic, that says something very positive about his character.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tony scott on December 13, 2015, 11:32:25 AM
It's very refreshing, to hear the thoughts of Remi Garde ,regarding our future and he didn't shy away from the relegation question.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on December 13, 2015, 11:56:38 AM
Tony that's probably got something to do with sitting bottom of the table after 14 games with 6 points, no use shying away really.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2015, 02:08:31 PM
It's becoming apparent that Garde wasn't brought in to keep us up. That would be a bonus. He's the type of manager who needs pre season and a couple of transfer windows to make an impact. He's not going to get us the Sherwood type of instant, but very short term boost which is what we need right now. Long term it will be fine but we will starting the proper Garde era in the division below.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AV82EC on December 13, 2015, 02:13:06 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2015, 02:08:31 PM
It's becoming apparent that Garde wasn't brought in to keep us up. That would be a bonus. He's the type of manager who needs pre season and a couple of transfer windows to make an impact. He's not going to get us the Sherwood type of instant, but very short term boost which is what we need right now. Long term it will be fine but we will starting the proper Garde era in the division below.

Yep. Acceptance is another step along that Kubler Ross change curve😜
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on December 13, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
We must be the only club for years who doesnt have a new manager bounce, even if only temporary
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on December 13, 2015, 02:28:31 PM
Hasn't made any difference whatsoever. You would have thought there'd at least be a bit of fight and passion from the players to try and impress Garde. To think how most of us were excited about the new season with a new squad.  An unmitigated disaster
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 13, 2015, 02:30:34 PM
Yes let's sack him at HT and get Warnock in🙄
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on December 13, 2015, 02:42:22 PM
Quote from: olaftab link=topic=54969.msg2971406#msg2971406 date=1450017improvement34
Yes let's sack him at HT and get Warnock in🙄

Did I say that? Just thought there would be some signs of improvement but there's been nothing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on December 13, 2015, 02:59:16 PM
He was bought in for the long term and no doubt he fits the current model of the club.  But at the time we weren't totally out of it so the club must have had some kind of hope that he could keep us up.  I just think he was the wrong appointment at the wrong time, if we were a mid-table club then he may have been a good choice to take us from there. 

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on December 13, 2015, 03:40:47 PM
You cant blame Garde but he has had made no difference whatsoever
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on December 13, 2015, 03:46:09 PM
Cowardly from Garde today.  So obvious we have to win games, yet sets us up to contain as he has in every game since he arrived.

Starting to think Pearson would have been a better option.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on December 13, 2015, 03:47:46 PM
the remarkable thing to me is that no one makes a difference. not Houllier, not TSM1, not TSM2, not Sherwood and not Garde. Lots of managers , lots of different players, formations and tactics, but only one outcome - failure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 13, 2015, 03:52:30 PM
Not impressing me so far, poor starting selections,, not just today but what we played at Everton aswell, persisting with rubbish like Scott Sinclair starting game after game, we still look miles away from winning games as we did under Sherwood.

C'mon Remi, win us a game, it can't be that difficult surely. I want to see us go down fighting at least.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 03:55:56 PM
Okore, Veretout, Sanchez, Gil, Gana, Ayew and Grealish/Adama. Those are the core players that the rest of the team need to fit around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on December 13, 2015, 04:03:32 PM
I agree that the tactics were wrong, but then maybe that's just down to him not having experience as a manager in the English game, I also think he is crippled by what he has to work with.

I do think there has been some improvement actually.  Don't think we would have got draws against City and Saints away under Sherwood.  But its just not good enough, and fact is we need wins to really make a difference.  They don't seem to be coming anytime soon.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2015, 04:03:57 PM
Why he insists on picking Gestede is bewildering. I don't blame him really for the defensive issues as he inherited a nightmare of incompetence. But Garde is showing an immense lack of flexibility and adventure with his attacking options.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on December 13, 2015, 04:10:01 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2015, 04:03:57 PM
Why he insists on picking Gestede is bewildering. I don't blame him really for the defensive issues as he inherited a nightmare of incompetence. But Garde is showing an immense lack of flexibility and adventure with his attacking options.

Well maybe, but its a bit unfair to say that after just five games.  When we go down, I will place very little blame at Garde's door, he has just been placed in a nearly impossible position.  I'm not convinced that either in the future he will be the right man to move us forward, but we've made our choice now and need to back him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2015, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on December 13, 2015, 04:10:01 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2015, 04:03:57 PM
Why he insists on picking Gestede is bewildering. I don't blame him really for the defensive issues as he inherited a nightmare of incompetence. But Garde is showing an immense lack of flexibility and adventure with his attacking options.

Well maybe, but its a bit unfair to say that after just five games.  When we go down, I will place very little blame at Garde's door, he has just been placed in a nearly impossible position.  I'm not convinced that either in the future he will be the right man to move us forward, but we've made our choice now and need to back him.

5 games or not there are some things that are fucking obvious and not playing Gestede up front is one of them. I don't doubt for a second the magnitude of the task but he's not helping himself is he? He just had another striker score twice in the week, yet that bloke never gets a look in. Could Kozak really be so much worse than Gestede?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 13, 2015, 04:23:36 PM
Met Kozak while out last night and he didn't speak too highly of Remi at all! (Not a surprise when he is overlooked for a lamp post)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 13, 2015, 04:24:29 PM
And the knives are out......
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on December 13, 2015, 04:26:49 PM
He's picking mostly the best of a bad bunch.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on December 13, 2015, 04:29:02 PM
Gestede is embarrassing. Reminds me of Bowery.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on December 13, 2015, 04:30:22 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on December 13, 2015, 04:23:36 PM
Met Kozak while out last night and he didn't speak too highly of Remi at all! (Not a surprise when he is overlooked for a lamp post)

And being out the night before a game is no doubt a reason he doesn't get in the squad. I'm pretty sure Remi's looked at him in training and saw what we've all seen from the bloke. Nowhere near PL standard sadly and certainly not the answer to our problems
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: alan_clarke on December 13, 2015, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: ez on December 13, 2015, 04:29:02 PM
Gestede is embarrassing. Reminds me of Bowery.

I can kind of see the logic for playing him. He can get goals from nowhere like he did against Liverpool whilst contributing little else. Problem is we only got one cross into him that he could feed of. Since Amavi is injured it makes less sense to go down this route.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 13, 2015, 04:33:13 PM
I'm beginning to wonder what we've done in appointing Garde. Won't be his fault if we go down but he's done nothing to make me think he's a decent manager. What an absolute fucking shambles that first half was. As bad as anything I've seen for a while. Shit houses, the lot of them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2015, 04:33:35 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on December 13, 2015, 04:24:29 PM
And the knives are out......

Are we not allowed to question him?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on December 13, 2015, 04:36:11 PM
I agree that not playing Kozak is an error, but its not his error alone, Sherwood was guilty of it too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on December 13, 2015, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on December 13, 2015, 04:36:11 PM
I agree that not playing Kozak is an error, but its not his error alone, Sherwood was guilty of it too.

They both watched the guy every day and decided he isn't worth a place even on the bench of a hopeless team.

I just can't work out what Kozak is doing. Surely he's worth a try ahead of that awful Championship player we bought to replace Tekkers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 13, 2015, 04:48:45 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2015, 04:33:35 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on December 13, 2015, 04:24:29 PM
And the knives are out......

Are we not allowed to question him?

Yes. I think it's early days obviously but the comment was tongue in cheek. I think he picked the 3 up front because they've been the ones scoring this season. Admittedly they still haven't scored many but compared to the other attacking players they have. The problem is that we don't get the ball forward quickly enough, no one is taking the bull by the horns and grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck and we don't get enough players forward when we are on the attack. There should be someone bursting through from midfield to join the attacks but it doesn't happen. The other problem is that the defence is largely a shambles and at this moment in time the fullbacks rarely offer anything useful to add to attacks either. I did think today though that Okore and Lescott didn't look too bad as a pair, so at least that is something.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: onje_villa on December 13, 2015, 05:00:49 PM
I have to say that despite our predicament and with the possible exception of not picking Kozak, I can't really see any glaring errors Garde has made. Every time he speaks, he speaks well, not in denial like Lambert, not a complete tit like Sherwood.

The teams he picks generally make sense, with the exception of excluding Kozak (which is odd), he is making the calls we as fans were asking for - Westwood of corners, picking the midfield we wanted, making decent substitutions. His handling of Grealish I think most of us agree with?

No, he's not brought about a dramatic increase in results and confidence but that may be just about impossible at this stage. Whatever we decide to do for the rest of this season, I'd very much like to see us continue to develop under Remi. Even if it's for next season. There are glimmers of positivity there. The results are atrocious but I believe we are mainly paying the price of a desperate lack of a goal scorer and a chronic lack of confidence at the back.

Don't forget some of the teams carving up the premier league today have been in the same situation as ourselves, getting battered in the top flight but they had a plan and a philosophy for the club and they stuck to it. We're almost certainly going down following years of bad decisions but let's keep our heads and try and improve in January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:20:12 PM
We haven't improved 1% under him.
The defence is still a shambles. His assistant looks absolutely clueless.
He still hasn't dropped Guzan.
He still won't unleash Adama.
He still hasn't told Hutton that he isn't Cafu.
He still won't play Kinsella at left back.
He still hasn't realised Bacuna isn't a left back.
He still plays The Pantomime Horse.
The Kozak contract rumour won't go away.
We fell for the bullshit of him being the new Wenger.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard on December 13, 2015, 05:24:06 PM
I like Garde I can see what he's trying to do and the style of play he wants - just has no quality to work with
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on December 13, 2015, 05:24:29 PM
Give him a chance.  He's taken over a club that is rock bottom in every sense.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on December 13, 2015, 05:25:48 PM
Quote from: Richard on December 13, 2015, 05:24:06 PM
I like Garde I can see what he's trying to do and the style of play he wants - just has no quality to work with

So do I. I just don't see why he perseveres with Gestede.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 05:30:06 PM
I think we looked alright in the second half. I wouldn't start turning on him yet, there are a few things I might change but in general I think he's making decent decisions. Unfortunately he's paying the price for decisions made before he came. There isn't a manager in the world who could get a useful pair of full backs out of Hutton, Richardson and Bacuna. Yes we had Amavi, but there was no contingency for when the inevitable injury happened.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on December 13, 2015, 05:39:09 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:20:12 PM
We haven't improved 1% under him.
The defence is still a shambles. His assistant looks absolutely clueless.
He still hasn't dropped Guzan.
He still won't unleash Adama.
He still hasn't told Hutton that he isn't Cafu.
He still won't play Kinsella at left back.
He still hasn't realised Bacuna isn't a left back.
He still plays The Pantomime Horse.
The Kozak contract rumour won't go away.
We fell for the bullshit of him being the new Wenger.

And he's not British, the bastard.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on December 13, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on December 13, 2015, 05:24:29 PM
Give him a chance.  He's taken over a club that is rock bottom in every sense.

I will

But getting the players to show some real effort would be a start.

Our academy must be woeful if there is no one to take the place of some of our first teamers

No new manager bounce for us

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 05:42:48 PM
So Metersacker, here is your early Christmas present, they are playing Gestede up front.

Garde has achieved fuck all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on December 13, 2015, 05:43:56 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:20:12 PM
We haven't improved 1% under him.
The defence is still a shambles. His assistant looks absolutely clueless.
He still hasn't dropped Guzan.
He still won't unleash Adama.
He still hasn't told Hutton that he isn't Cafu.
He still won't play Kinsella at left back.
He still hasn't realised Bacuna isn't a left back.
He still plays The Pantomime Horse.
The Kozak contract rumour won't go away.
We fell for the bullshit of him being the new Wenger.

Jesus wept - you got to be kidding right! The only one in this entire mess who is above criticism (at this moment) is Remi - I mean for god's sake, dont you understand the absolute horse manure he walked into?!?!?! His hands are tied till January, there is no guarantee any other player would improve anything, and he has had 5 games.

You clearly have all the answers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 13, 2015, 05:45:54 PM
What's the Kozak contract rumour?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:46:13 PM
I don't have all the answers but I know the answers to the questions I raised. Why not unleash Adama?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on December 13, 2015, 05:47:14 PM
Sherwood is a tit. But at least we had the new manager bounce from him with instant improvment in playing style, confidence and results. Absolutely nothing from Garde so far
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:48:35 PM
Kozak won't be played due to large fee owed to Lazio if he plays 15 games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 13, 2015, 05:54:02 PM
So those of you having a go at the manager for not playing Kozak please answer:
1. Why have both Sherwood and Garde  have chosen not to select him as there must be a reason for that?
2. If Kozak was fit and had the right mentality do you think coaches are totally stupid preferring a hod carrier to him as our number 9?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 05:55:56 PM
3 managers have chosen not to play Kozak.
What I don't understand is why he keeps playing Gestede.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 13, 2015, 05:57:08 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:48:35 PM
Kozak won't be played due to large fee owed to Lazio if he plays 15 games.


I thought it might be. It usually is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on December 13, 2015, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:48:35 PM
Kozak won't be played due to large fee owed to Lazio if he plays 15 games.

He's played 15 games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 13, 2015, 05:57:45 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:46:13 PM
I don't have all the answers but I know the answers to the questions I raised. Why not unleash Adama?
Adama was unleashed against Watford with 20 or so minutes to go. He had two runs that started with all the elegance of a horny loose bull that ended in nothing and spent the final 15 minutes imitating Lord Lucan.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: preston28 on December 13, 2015, 05:58:03 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on December 13, 2015, 05:47:14 PM
Sherwood is a tit. But at least we had the new manager bounce from him with instant improvment in playing style, confidence and results. Absolutely nothing from Garde so far

Ok but with the squad he has I doubt anything would make them improve? The squad pathetically poor - Sherwood had a least a few decent players to get a temporary improvement - Garde does not as they were sold.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2015, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 13, 2015, 05:54:02 PM
So those of you having a go at the manager for not playing Kozak please answer:
1. Why have both Sherwood and Garde  have chosen not to select him as there must be a reason for that?
2. If Kozak was fit and had the right mentality do you think coaches are totally stupid preferring a hod carrier to him as our number 9?

I can somewhat understand Sherwood in that Kozak was only just back from injury, had a decent pre-season so may not have been quite ready for first team action. However he's had games since then, a chance to work on his fitness. There's no reason now that he isn't in with a shout versus Gestede who offers literally nothing and a lot less since Amavi got hurt.

I don't want to start criticizing a manager who got dealt a shit hand to begin with and I have made the argument he needs to be given time. However we can question some of his decisions and why the team isn't at least pressing and pushing the opponents. It isn't acceptable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: boboonthecorner on December 13, 2015, 05:59:48 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:48:35 PM
Kozak won't be played due to large fee owed to Lazio if he plays 15 games.


I know for a fact that is a load of bollocks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: onje_villa on December 13, 2015, 06:01:04 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 13, 2015, 05:57:45 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:46:13 PM
I don't have all the answers but I know the answers to the questions I raised. Why not unleash Adama?
Adama was unleashed against Watford with 20 or so minutes to go. He had two runs that started with all the elegance of a horny loose bull that ended in nothing and spent the final 15 minutes imitating Lord Lucan.
Correct.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 13, 2015, 06:02:03 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 05:55:56 PM
3 managers have chosen not to play Kozak.
What I don't understand is why he keeps playing Gestede.
Gestede is rubbish agreed however Remi is in a tight spot and he has got to find something that works so he has to try all the assists at his disposal to make a head and tail of it. It's wrong to say " why he keeps playing Gestede" as today was his only second start for a while.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: onje_villa on December 13, 2015, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:20:12 PM
We haven't improved 1% under him.
The defence is still a shambles. His assistant looks absolutely clueless.
He still hasn't dropped Guzan.
He still won't unleash Adama.
He still hasn't told Hutton that he isn't Cafu.
He still won't play Kinsella at left back.
He still hasn't realised Bacuna isn't a left back.
He still plays The Pantomime Horse.
The Kozak contract rumour won't go away.
We fell for the bullshit of him being the new Wenger.
Unbelievable!

None of this can be put on Remi. Do you honestly think a young Wenger would have walked into this shit storm and achieved anything more in their first few games? He has inherited a team that has zero confidence, no experience and no apparent goal threat. He has the air of a man who is desperately trying to use his brain to find a way forward for the club, you can see it in his interviews, the man is intelligent, he has class and has an excellent coaching background. Sherwood he aint.

But no manager, Wenger, Ferguson or whoever can turn around a whole team, club and ethos in 5 minutes. He needs real time and patience and importantly we have to back him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2015, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 13, 2015, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:20:12 PM
We haven't improved 1% under him.
The defence is still a shambles. His assistant looks absolutely clueless.
He still hasn't dropped Guzan.
He still won't unleash Adama.
He still hasn't told Hutton that he isn't Cafu.
He still won't play Kinsella at left back.
He still hasn't realised Bacuna isn't a left back.
He still plays The Pantomime Horse.
The Kozak contract rumour won't go away.
We fell for the bullshit of him being the new Wenger.
Unbelievable!

None of this can be put on Remi. Do you honestly think a young Wenger would have walked into this shit storm and achieved anything more in their first few games? He has inherited a team that has zero confidence, no experience and no apparent goal threat. He has the air of a man who is desperately trying to use his brain to find a way forward for the club, you can see it in his interviews, the man is intelligent, he has class and has an excellent coaching background. Sherwood he aint.

But no manager, Wenger, Ferguson or whoever can turn around a whole team, club and ethos in 5 minutes. He needs real time and patience and importantly we have to back him.

Indeed.

He walked into a club which had taken 4 points or whatever it was from 12 or so games.

There isn't a manager in the world who would have been able to change things that quickly.

He has been here five league games - Everton, Man City, Arsenal, Watford and Southampton.

Only one of those five is not what you'd call a 'tough' fixture.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 13, 2015, 06:09:59 PM
People not doing jobs properly doesn't help. Gestede heading wide/over when it should be bread and butter goal. Rare chance and he fluffs it like that. Same with Sinclair a short while later. We huffed and puffed second half and did the basics that most teams do every week, we just had nothing out of the ordinary apart from the late Adama run by which time it was game over. Lescott is past it, has been for a few years. Hutton is not a bad player, most of last season he was one of our best. LB is a big problem position. Vetetout and Gueye look neat and tidy without being able to do anything else while Sanchez goes from looking world class to conference class in the blink of an eye.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on December 13, 2015, 06:11:14 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:20:12 PM
He still won't play Kinsella at left back.
He still hasn't realised Bacuna isn't a left back.

Kinsella is a kid whose only first team experience is 3 games at Luton.

And I'm sure he knows Bacuna isn't a left-back. His other options are an untried kid in Kinsella, a rapidly fading centre back in Lescott, a right-back who was a liability today in his proper position in Hutton or Kieran Richardson. Whichever one of those he had picked wouldn't have solved the issue of us not having a decent back-up left back.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on December 13, 2015, 06:13:13 PM
I thought Veretout played a couple of lovely slide rule type passes.

The thing that is so depressing is that the few players that we would want to keep next season will be the ones that are off at the end of the season (Gil, Veretout, Traore and Grealish).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2015, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 13, 2015, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:20:12 PM
We haven't improved 1% under him.
The defence is still a shambles. His assistant looks absolutely clueless.
He still hasn't dropped Guzan.
He still won't unleash Adama.
He still hasn't told Hutton that he isn't Cafu.
He still won't play Kinsella at left back.
He still hasn't realised Bacuna isn't a left back.
He still plays The Pantomime Horse.
The Kozak contract rumour won't go away.
We fell for the bullshit of him being the new Wenger.
Unbelievable!

None of this can be put on Remi. Do you honestly think a young Wenger would have walked into this shit storm and achieved anything more in their first few games? He has inherited a team that has zero confidence, no experience and no apparent goal threat. He has the air of a man who is desperately trying to use his brain to find a way forward for the club, you can see it in his interviews, the man is intelligent, he has class and has an excellent coaching background. Sherwood he aint.

But no manager, Wenger, Ferguson or whoever can turn around a whole team, club and ethos in 5 minutes. He needs real time and patience and importantly we have to back him.

Indeed.

He walked into a club which had taken 4 points or whatever it was from 12 or so games.

There isn't a manager in the world who would have been able to change things that quickly.
During those Sherwood games we were being told by quite a few on here that it was just a Manager problem, the players are good enough and with a decent Manager it will all come good. :-[
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on December 13, 2015, 06:15:15 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 13, 2015, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:20:12 PM
We haven't improved 1% under him.
The defence is still a shambles. His assistant looks absolutely clueless.
He still hasn't dropped Guzan.
He still won't unleash Adama.
He still hasn't told Hutton that he isn't Cafu.
He still won't play Kinsella at left back.
He still hasn't realised Bacuna isn't a left back.
He still plays The Pantomime Horse.
The Kozak contract rumour won't go away.
We fell for the bullshit of him being the new Wenger.
Unbelievable!

None of this can be put on Remi. Do you honestly think a young Wenger would have walked into this shit storm and achieved anything more in their first few games? He has inherited a team that has zero confidence, no experience and no apparent goal threat. He has the air of a man who is desperately trying to use his brain to find a way forward for the club, you can see it in his interviews, the man is intelligent, he has class and has an excellent coaching background. Sherwood he aint.

But no manager, Wenger, Ferguson or whoever can turn around a whole team, club and ethos in 5 minutes. He needs real time and patience and importantly we have to back him.

Agree somewhat, but I would have thought he would have made us more organised and defensively more solid.  Had hasn't achieved either yet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2015, 06:16:58 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2015, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 13, 2015, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:20:12 PM
We haven't improved 1% under him.
The defence is still a shambles. His assistant looks absolutely clueless.
He still hasn't dropped Guzan.
He still won't unleash Adama.
He still hasn't told Hutton that he isn't Cafu.
He still won't play Kinsella at left back.
He still hasn't realised Bacuna isn't a left back.
He still plays The Pantomime Horse.
The Kozak contract rumour won't go away.
We fell for the bullshit of him being the new Wenger.
Unbelievable!

None of this can be put on Remi. Do you honestly think a young Wenger would have walked into this shit storm and achieved anything more in their first few games? He has inherited a team that has zero confidence, no experience and no apparent goal threat. He has the air of a man who is desperately trying to use his brain to find a way forward for the club, you can see it in his interviews, the man is intelligent, he has class and has an excellent coaching background. Sherwood he aint.

But no manager, Wenger, Ferguson or whoever can turn around a whole team, club and ethos in 5 minutes. He needs real time and patience and importantly we have to back him.

Indeed.

He walked into a club which had taken 4 points or whatever it was from 12 or so games.

There isn't a manager in the world who would have been able to change things that quickly.
During those Sherwood games we were being told by quite a few on here that it was just a Manager problem, the players are good enough and with a decent Manager it will all come good. :-[

I don't think anyone expected it to come good inside five league matches, though. That's the key.

No manager would have walked into this club where we were when we sacked that wideboy arsehole and turned it around just like that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 06:17:23 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2015, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 13, 2015, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:20:12 PM
We haven't improved 1% under him.
The defence is still a shambles. His assistant looks absolutely clueless.
He still hasn't dropped Guzan.
He still won't unleash Adama.
He still hasn't told Hutton that he isn't Cafu.
He still won't play Kinsella at left back.
He still hasn't realised Bacuna isn't a left back.
He still plays The Pantomime Horse.
The Kozak contract rumour won't go away.
We fell for the bullshit of him being the new Wenger.
Unbelievable!

None of this can be put on Remi. Do you honestly think a young Wenger would have walked into this shit storm and achieved anything more in their first few games? He has inherited a team that has zero confidence, no experience and no apparent goal threat. He has the air of a man who is desperately trying to use his brain to find a way forward for the club, you can see it in his interviews, the man is intelligent, he has class and has an excellent coaching background. Sherwood he aint.

But no manager, Wenger, Ferguson or whoever can turn around a whole team, club and ethos in 5 minutes. He needs real time and patience and importantly we have to back him.

Indeed.

He walked into a club which had taken 4 points or whatever it was from 12 or so games.

There isn't a manager in the world who would have been able to change things that quickly.

He has been here five league games - Everton, Man City, Arsenal, Watford and Southampton.

Only one of those five is not what you'd call a 'tough' fixture.


Indeed I don't lay any blame at Remi's door. I thought we were decent in the second half. The reality is though that we only have about 6 decent players and the drop off in quality after them is absolutely massive. Bacuna and Richardson as your choice a left back would be worrying in League One.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 06:20:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2015, 06:16:58 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2015, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 13, 2015, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:20:12 PM
We haven't improved 1% under him.
The defence is still a shambles. His assistant looks absolutely clueless.
He still hasn't dropped Guzan.
He still won't unleash Adama.
He still hasn't told Hutton that he isn't Cafu.
He still won't play Kinsella at left back.
He still hasn't realised Bacuna isn't a left back.
He still plays The Pantomime Horse.
The Kozak contract rumour won't go away.
We fell for the bullshit of him being the new Wenger.
Unbelievable!

None of this can be put on Remi. Do you honestly think a young Wenger would have walked into this shit storm and achieved anything more in their first few games? He has inherited a team that has zero confidence, no experience and no apparent goal threat. He has the air of a man who is desperately trying to use his brain to find a way forward for the club, you can see it in his interviews, the man is intelligent, he has class and has an excellent coaching background. Sherwood he aint.

But no manager, Wenger, Ferguson or whoever can turn around a whole team, club and ethos in 5 minutes. He needs real time and patience and importantly we have to back him.

Indeed.

He walked into a club which had taken 4 points or whatever it was from 12 or so games.

There isn't a manager in the world who would have been able to change things that quickly.
During those Sherwood games we were being told by quite a few on here that it was just a Manager problem, the players are good enough and with a decent Manager it will all come good. :-[

I don't think anyone expected it to come good inside five league matches, though. That's the key.

No manager would have walked into this club where we were when we sacked that wideboy arsehole and turned it around just like that.
Well something needed to happen and it hasn't, which would suggest that the players are not good enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on December 13, 2015, 06:23:13 PM
I thought BFR was hatstand when he suggested Nigel Pearson back in November.

But he actually looks quite an attractive option now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2015, 06:25:20 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 06:20:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2015, 06:16:58 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 06:13:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 13, 2015, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 13, 2015, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:20:12 PM
We haven't improved 1% under him.
The defence is still a shambles. His assistant looks absolutely clueless.
He still hasn't dropped Guzan.
He still won't unleash Adama.
He still hasn't told Hutton that he isn't Cafu.
He still won't play Kinsella at left back.
He still hasn't realised Bacuna isn't a left back.
He still plays The Pantomime Horse.
The Kozak contract rumour won't go away.
We fell for the bullshit of him being the new Wenger.
Unbelievable!

None of this can be put on Remi. Do you honestly think a young Wenger would have walked into this shit storm and achieved anything more in their first few games? He has inherited a team that has zero confidence, no experience and no apparent goal threat. He has the air of a man who is desperately trying to use his brain to find a way forward for the club, you can see it in his interviews, the man is intelligent, he has class and has an excellent coaching background. Sherwood he aint.

But no manager, Wenger, Ferguson or whoever can turn around a whole team, club and ethos in 5 minutes. He needs real time and patience and importantly we have to back him.

Indeed.

He walked into a club which had taken 4 points or whatever it was from 12 or so games.

There isn't a manager in the world who would have been able to change things that quickly.
During those Sherwood games we were being told by quite a few on here that it was just a Manager problem, the players are good enough and with a decent Manager it will all come good. :-[

I don't think anyone expected it to come good inside five league matches, though. That's the key.

No manager would have walked into this club where we were when we sacked that wideboy arsehole and turned it around just like that.
Well something needed to happen and it hasn't, which would suggest that the players are not good enough.

My counter would be that he hasn't had time to make it happen yet.

Yes, we got beaten today, but we also took a point from Man City and a point from Southampton away - not enough to propel us up the table by any means, but two points more than I thought we'd get from those two matches.

If we go down it will not be because we lost today, it'll be because we lost against the sort of teams we play in the next four or five matches. That's where we really need to improve.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on December 13, 2015, 06:55:54 PM
He must replace Gestede asap
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 13, 2015, 06:56:04 PM
My worry is that there has been no discernable improvement in our performances.  I had hoped that the tiniest green shoots of revival might be beginning to peep through, but if you did not know Sherwood had had the bullet you would never know it from our performances.

Traore on in the 85th minute? Gestede on at all?   Hardly the stuff of massive Gallic intellect.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 07:02:25 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 13, 2015, 06:56:04 PM
My worry is that there has been no discernable improvement in our performances.  I had hoped that the tiniest green shoots of revival might be beginning to peep through, but if you did not know Sherwood had had the bullet you would never know it from our performances.

Traore on in the 85th minute? Gestede on at all?   Hardly the stuff of massive Gallic intellect.

I'd say the second half performance was pretty reasonable against the league leaders.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 13, 2015, 07:06:32 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 13, 2015, 06:56:04 PM
My worry is that there has been no discernable improvement in our performances.  I had hoped that the tiniest green shoots of revival might be beginning to peep through, but if you did not know Sherwood had had the bullet you would never know it from our performances.

Traore on in the 85th minute? Gestede on at all?   Hardly the stuff of massive Gallic intellect.

agree with all of that

no different to all of the other shit we have had to endure over the past 5 seasons

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 13, 2015, 07:08:45 PM
I agree PWA but we have this terrible collective vice as a team of not doing the business when the business needs to be done. L'esprit de l'escalier I think BE would call it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tony scott on December 13, 2015, 07:25:09 PM
I think it's not helping waiting for the coach he wants
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 07:25:50 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 07:02:25 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 13, 2015, 06:56:04 PM
My worry is that there has been no discernable improvement in our performances.  I had hoped that the tiniest green shoots of revival might be beginning to peep through, but if you did not know Sherwood had had the bullet you would never know it from our performances.

Traore on in the 85th minute? Gestede on at all?   Hardly the stuff of massive Gallic intellect.

I'd say the second half performance was pretty reasonable against the league leaders.
Its easy to play 2 nil down with the other team just going through the motions.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curlytailavfc on December 13, 2015, 07:30:23 PM
Arsenal would let ya have ago if you scored they just go up and make it 3-1
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 13, 2015, 07:46:41 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 07:25:50 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 07:02:25 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 13, 2015, 06:56:04 PM
My worry is that there has been no discernable improvement in our performances.  I had hoped that the tiniest green shoots of revival might be beginning to peep through, but if you did not know Sherwood had had the bullet you would never know it from our performances.

Traore on in the 85th minute? Gestede on at all?   Hardly the stuff of massive Gallic intellect.

I'd say the second half performance was pretty reasonable against the league leaders.
Its easy to play 2 nil down with the other team just going through the motions.

arsenal wont have an easier game all season

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 13, 2015, 08:11:32 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 13, 2015, 07:46:41 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 07:25:50 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 07:02:25 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 13, 2015, 06:56:04 PM
My worry is that there has been no discernable improvement in our performances.  I had hoped that the tiniest green shoots of revival might be beginning to peep through, but if you did not know Sherwood had had the bullet you would never know it from our performances.

Traore on in the 85th minute? Gestede on at all?   Hardly the stuff of massive Gallic intellect.

I'd say the second half performance was pretty reasonable against the league leaders.
Its easy to play 2 nil down with the other team just going through the motions.

arsenal wont have an easier game all season


I dunno, we've got to go to The Emirates on the last day
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on December 13, 2015, 08:21:26 PM
Quote from: Legion on December 13, 2015, 05:25:48 PM
Quote from: Richard on December 13, 2015, 05:24:06 PM
I like Garde I can see what he's trying to do and the style of play he wants - just has no quality to work with

So do I. I just don't see why he perseveres with Gestede.

I suspect it's related to their respective attitude in training. Garde is playing Kozak in U21's, which suggests he isn't frozen out and can play his way back into the first team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 13, 2015, 08:30:08 PM
Well as much as I'm a bit worried about his lack of impact during the games at least he's calling out the local players who have had an easy life at this club for too long...first making Jack sweat for a recall and now he's called out Agbonlahor.

[quoteAston Villa boss Remi Garde has told Gabby Agbonlahor he needs to do more to force his way back into favour.

Agbonlahor was omitted from the matchday 18 for the defeat to Arsenal at Villa Park.

Garde confirmed that the Brummie striker was left out on form and was not inured as Villa lost 2-0 to the new Premier League leaders.

"No, he was available for selection. but that's all," said the Villa boss.

Asked if Agbonlahor needs to do more to earn a place in the squad for next weekend's trip to Newcastle, Garde replied: "Yes.

"Gabby has been away because of injury and needs more training sessions before coming into the team."

Garde also explained why he included teenage midfielder Jordan Lyden in a matchday squad for the first time.

The 19-year-old Australian was an unused substitute against the Gunners.

Garde said: "I saw a young player very committed, bringing his energy into the training sessions and I like that."][/quote]
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 08:35:58 PM
Jordan Lyden should play, he may at least track back and mark players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on December 13, 2015, 08:58:20 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 07:25:50 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 07:02:25 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 13, 2015, 06:56:04 PM
My worry is that there has been no discernable improvement in our performances.  I had hoped that the tiniest green shoots of revival might be beginning to peep through, but if you did not know Sherwood had had the bullet you would never know it from our performances.

Traore on in the 85th minute? Gestede on at all?   Hardly the stuff of massive Gallic intellect.

I'd say the second half performance was pretty reasonable against the league leaders.
Its easy to play 2 nil down with the other team just going through the motions.
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 13, 2015, 07:25:50 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 07:02:25 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 13, 2015, 06:56:04 PM
My worry is that there has been no discernable improvement in our performances.  I had hoped that the tiniest green shoots of revival might be beginning to peep through, but if you did not know Sherwood had had the bullet you would never know it from our performances.

Traore on in the 85th minute? Gestede on at all?   Hardly the stuff of massive Gallic intellect.

I'd say the second half performance was pretty reasonable against the league leaders.
Its easy to play 2 nil down with the other team just going through the motions.

lets not forget arse had also travelled to greece midweek for a pressurised fixture
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 08:58:49 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 13, 2015, 07:08:45 PM
I agree PWA but we have this terrible collective vice as a team of not doing the business when the business needs to be done. L'esprit de l'escalier I think BE would call it.

Oh I agree there seems to be a collective funk of failure about the club. It's weird because I think we have some talent in the likes of Veretout and Ayew.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on December 13, 2015, 09:15:16 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 13, 2015, 05:57:45 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on December 13, 2015, 05:46:13 PM
I don't have all the answers but I know the answers to the questions I raised. Why not unleash Adama?
Adama was unleashed against Watford with 20 or so minutes to go. He had two runs that started with all the elegance of a horny loose bull that ended in nothing and spent the final 15 minutes imitating Lord Lucan.

That's pretty good Mr Aftab. I take my hat off to you.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 13, 2015, 09:15:30 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 13, 2015, 08:30:08 PM
Well as much as I'm a bit worried about his lack of impact during the games at least he's calling out the local players who have had an easy life at this club for too long...first making Jack sweat for a recall and now he's called out Agbonlahor.

[quoteAston Villa boss Remi Garde has told Gabby Agbonlahor he needs to do more to force his way back into favour.

Agbonlahor was omitted from the matchday 18 for the defeat to Arsenal at Villa Park.

Garde confirmed that the Brummie striker was left out on form and was not inured as Villa lost 2-0 to the new Premier League leaders.

"No, he was available for selection. but that's all," said the Villa boss.

Asked if Agbonlahor needs to do more to earn a place in the squad for next weekend's trip to Newcastle, Garde replied: "Yes.

"Gabby has been away because of injury and needs more training sessions before coming into the team."

Garde also explained why he included teenage midfielder Jordan Lyden in a matchday squad for the first time.

The 19-year-old Australian was an unused substitute against the Gunners.

Garde said: "I saw a young player very committed, bringing his energy into the training sessions and I like that."]
[/quote]

This situation reminds me go Houlier's season in charge.  He is challenging a lot of players to step up and raise the club's professionalism. IMO it is something which needs to happen but I'm less sure the players have the hunger for it.  Grealish, for example, seems to be a product of this environment whereas this stage is set for a fearless youngster.

Even if we go down, I think that Garde needs to stay to continue this cultural change.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on December 13, 2015, 09:36:08 PM
What  thundercunt Garde is. All he had to do was reverse half a decade of serious decline against crap like Man City, Arsenal, Southampton, Everton and Watford, with a squad drained of any confidence after one of the longest losing streaks in our 140 odd year history.

Baguette munching shirker wants thrashing with my British passport.

He's walked into quite a tough job I would opine.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 09:39:29 PM
I like Garde and I think if we stick with him and he wants to stay he'll turn us around in the long term, but it requires proper support from the board and probably being relegated.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 13, 2015, 09:48:45 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on December 13, 2015, 09:15:16 PM
That's pretty good Mr Aftab. I take my hat off to you.
Thank you. It's a very sad state but I wish people wouldn't make up possible saviours just by the fact that they were not on the pitch in any particular defeat. Everyone has had their chance ...oh hang on Kozak is probably the next big hope.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 13, 2015, 09:51:49 PM
What some are forgetting quickly is the utter shambles Garde walked in on.  Sherwood had left the team in an absolute mess.

In my opinion, what Garde has achieved is putting both Ayew and Veretout (arguably our best two players at the moment) into the team after they had been frozen out.

He is still trying to work out who best to play alongside Ayew and I think with his substitution today, he has worked out that Gestede is not that player.  The problem he has is who is that player, Kozak (who some are saying is not setting the U21's alight and others are saying will cure all ills), a very raw Traore, a half-hearted Gabby or Sinclair.  Not much choice there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 09:52:33 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 13, 2015, 09:48:45 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on December 13, 2015, 09:15:16 PM
That's pretty good Mr Aftab. I take my hat off to you.
Thank you. It's a very sad state but I wish people wouldn't make up possible saviours just by the fact that they were not on the pitch in any particular defeat. Everyone has had their chance ...oh hang on Kozak is probably the next big hope.

That may be true, and I support Garde, but the logic for the Adama substitution doesn't stand up. Either he doesn't rate him, so shouldn't bring him on or if he rates him then he needs to give him time to make an impact. Either way five minutes makes no sense.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 13, 2015, 09:56:21 PM
I think Garde got his subs wrong today.  He should have sacrificed Sinclair and a midfielder earlier to bring on Gil and Adama.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 10:01:06 PM
I agree. I actually think in a team with many problems our biggest problem is the full backs. They're not good enough defensively and any attacking threat Bacuna possesses is eliminated when he plays on the left. I don't rate Gestede, but with decent full backs I reckon he'd score some goals.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frank black on December 13, 2015, 10:18:13 PM
Just like the majority of decisions made by the folks running Villa, Garde was the wrong one.

I have no idea who should would have been the right one, but it obviously wasn't Garde. Not sure he's the one to get us promotion either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: frank black on December 13, 2015, 10:18:13 PM
Just like the majority of decisions made by the folks running Villa, Garde was the wrong one.

I have no idea who should would have been the right one, but it obviously wasn't Garde. Not sure he's the one to get us promotion either.

There is genuinely no way you could possibly know that yet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 13, 2015, 10:27:20 PM
I think Garde knows it's going to take a miracle for us to stay up, realistically it's not going to happen. He's planning on being here medium term, he said so himself. We won't sack him, more money down the drain. He doesn't deserve to be sacked anyway, he would deserve the chance to truly start rebuilding the playing side. All hinging on if we get sold of the charlatan Lerner and his incompetent cronies are still in control. If they aren't I'd guess the new owners would want their own man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frank black on December 13, 2015, 10:35:29 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: frank black on December 13, 2015, 10:18:13 PM
Just like the majority of decisions made by the folks running Villa, Garde was the wrong one.

I have no idea who should would have been the right one, but it obviously wasn't Garde. Not sure he's the one to get us promotion either.

There is genuinely no way you could possibly know that yet.

I'm afraid this parrot is dead. This is the worst Villa team I've seen in my lifetime (I followed us down in 1987) Garde has not even got an ounce extra out of these players. You would have thought these so called premiership players would have reacted positively to the threat of relegation. Garde is naive if he thinks he can get this team to play two touch passing footy and he is proving to be naive at best.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 10:45:12 PM
Well he's got two points from games I thought we had no chance in, so that's something.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on December 13, 2015, 10:56:46 PM
Sorry, but Garde in my opinion was the wrong choice. We should go in for Moyes who's available, no brainer really. We need someone to instill fire into these players......Garde doesn't do it. Another wrong choice by the clowns at the top.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on December 13, 2015, 11:02:24 PM
Garde can do absolutely nothing about this utter shambles that he's inherited.  This squad is fecking awful, have zero confidence and the fight has completely gone from the club.

This is now about making a promotion push next season as viable as possible under the circumstances, if we go down and re-group we can come back stronger (we can hardly be any weaker).




Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on December 13, 2015, 11:06:10 PM
Graham Taylor had a whole summer, and inferior opposition, and we still struggled at first.

We're probably worse now and than when we went down then.

Garde is coming into two thirds of a squad that are used to losing, and the other quarter finding their feet in a new league playing in a team that gets beat every week.

I don't think we'll see much in the short term, and we will go down, but we will see a fight, too little too late but enough to carry hope for the new season.

I hope to God this is at least the outcome, because despite the lack of immediate impact, I think this man is the man is the one who can change things for the better. There's not much to back it other than the bloke seems to make sense, which sets him apart from many predecessors.

But, if we can somehow win a couple of games this side of new year, I think the chairman owes it to us and himself to front some unbugeted cash to throw around, and try and take advantage of the fact we are a fucking big club and act like it again. Money talks, a few short term guns for hire looking to make their way to the Euros is the route, but I'd to bring in at least six. A blood transfusion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on December 13, 2015, 11:07:18 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on December 13, 2015, 10:56:46 PM
Sorry, but Garde in my opinion was the wrong choice. We should go in for Moyes who's available, no brainer really. We need someone to instill fire into these players......Garde doesn't do it. Another wrong choice by the clowns at the top.

The time for Moyes was when either Lambert or Sherwood was sacked.  It'd be horrendous of us to sack Garde now and another incredulous decision on top of all the others quite frankly.

We wouldn't just be even more of a laughing stock we'd be roundly criticised and with good reason.  We need to stick with him now and prepare for a good go at the Championship next year.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 11:08:52 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on December 13, 2015, 10:56:46 PM
Sorry, but Garde in my opinion was the wrong choice. We should go in for Moyes who's available, no brainer really. We need someone to instill fire into these players......Garde doesn't do it. Another wrong choice by the clowns at the top.

Was Moyes instilling fire into the players at Sociedad? Garde has had 5 games and that's no time. When Moyes took over Everton was he an instant success? I might be wrong but I don't think so.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: levico on December 13, 2015, 11:10:21 PM
I think Garde is a decent enough cove but he can't keep us up and he won't get us back. Not his fault, that's just the way it is.

We're in deep trouble as a club whilst Lerner, Fox, Riley et al remain.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on December 13, 2015, 11:15:42 PM
I can't quite believe Paddy Riley still has a job.

I know Lerner has badly underinvested but still.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 11:19:33 PM
Quote from: levico on December 13, 2015, 11:10:21 PM
I think Garde is a decent enough cove but he can't keep us up and he won't get us back. Not his fault, that's just the way it is.

We're in deep trouble as a club whilst Lerner, Fox, Riley et al remain.

Again you cannot possibly know that. If we go down why can't Garde get us back up?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2015, 12:28:30 AM
Why is he making things even harder for himself by playing Gestede.  That gigantic waste of space had one attempt from a header today, that thing he is supposed to be good at, but it just glanced uselessly wide.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on December 14, 2015, 12:40:55 AM
Quote from: Risso on December 14, 2015, 12:28:30 AM
Why is he making things even harder for himself by playing Gestede.  That gigantic waste of space had one attempt from a header today, that thing he is supposed to be good at, but it just glanced uselessly wide.

If we accept that Kozak is out of the picture, then I'm not sure we have too many other options really.  Ayew is more suited as a wide player and our one striker with the top flight experience (Agbonlahor) seems disinterested. We desperately need one if not two strikers in January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on December 14, 2015, 12:45:48 AM
Quote from: Risso on December 14, 2015, 12:28:30 AM
Why is he making things even harder for himself by playing Gestede.  That gigantic waste of space had one attempt from a header today, that thing he is supposed to be good at, but it just glanced uselessly wide.

I think  the idea was that we hit him early and often forcing them back and wide allowing our midfield players valuable space to do their stuff. What happened is that knew about Just Head and the quality of our wide players sans Amavi, so they just took the piss and stayed narrow.

They left their flanks completely open, basically saying : Loft it in to the Lummox all day long and we will hit you on the break, you lowlife scum pretending to play our game. Note only that, we well have a rest for 30 minutes to rest our weary legs. We spit in your general general direction but we will miss shitting on your lovely pitch. Come back soon for further fuckings.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 14, 2015, 01:24:37 AM
Quote from: Risso on December 14, 2015, 12:28:30 AM
Why is he making things even harder for himself by playing Gestede.  That gigantic waste of space had one attempt from a header today, that thing he is supposed to be good at, but it just glanced uselessly wide.

That's my point too. Ok fine play Gestede but them ensure that the make up of the side and the tactics employed reflect that he chose to play him up front. That means getting the ball out wide quickly, whipping in crosses at pace. But we didn't do that. Nothing like it in fact. If we are going to play more through the middle or wide midfielders who cut in, or with full backs that are pretty shit at crossing a football don't play a fucking giraffe who's only talent is heading a football and cannot control it on the ground worth shit.

In the end it didn't work and he was removed, not all because of him but it suggested that either the tactic was flawed or that we couldn't execute if indeed there was a tactic to supply him properly. Playing Gestede makes us so one dimensional and it is easy for a side to work out. Especially one of Arsenal's ability.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hillbilly on December 14, 2015, 02:42:28 AM
The forwards are a problem but the back 5 are far and away the real catastrophe. We've scored as many as Stoke but they have 17 more points. Why? Because we've let in 30 and they've let in 14. We've kept 2 clean sheets - one because we caught Bournemouth cold and the other was a freak against Man City. Abysmal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 14, 2015, 04:07:12 AM
I have the niggling feeling that we are beginning to see what all the fuss was about Remi Garde's assistants. There are some very hard yards to be done with that poor squad of ours and it looks like it is the back up team who are expected to do it.  Garde looks like the diplomat, the front man, the suit, the safe pair of hands but the mess we have become needs a lot of sleeves rolled up shit shovelling and that is what his team has to do. A thoroughly nice and personable man that I hope does not have the common French fault of easily becoming aloof.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on December 14, 2015, 05:27:52 AM
why are all managers so intransigent? I agree with your comments about him Brian, but already he's making the same mistakes as the people who came before him - picking players week in week out who simply shouldn't be playing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 14, 2015, 06:02:54 AM
Absolutely Mr U. Okay he has only been with us a few weeks but in those few weeks there has not been one single act you can point to and say that is Remi Garde in action. The slap on the wrist for Grealish has been just that and would have been done by any of our last five managers. The dropping of Gabby should never have been in any doubt. He only made it into his famous 8 touch game not on merit but as part of KMac's Fuck You to the board.

So what has changed or is changing?  Nothing as far as I can see. Team selection, set up and tactics appear to be consensus decisions. I have a horrible feeling that the boast of Lambert that he had been successful in lowering the expectations of the supporters is alive and well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on December 14, 2015, 06:03:38 AM
Then who should he play? are you there to see them training i really don't see a lot of options and these are not his players, we have critisised every manager over the last five years were they all bad? i wonder.
My opinion is it all stems from the top, an aloof disinterested owner and a backroom promoted out of their comfort zone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 14, 2015, 06:12:07 AM
Point taken Rob, but you don't need the owner to fly from America to Bodymoor Heath to tell you not to have Gestede as your primary strike threat.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on December 14, 2015, 06:40:00 AM
Quote from: brian green on December 14, 2015, 06:12:07 AM
Point taken Rob, but you don't need the owner to fly from America to Bodymoor Heath to tell you not to have Gestede as your primary strike threat.

Agreed but I'd take a 20% match fit Rudy over Agbonlahor.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 14, 2015, 06:45:46 AM
Agree Mal but Agbonlahor has become Grant Holt.  Being better than Gabby does not make Gestede any good.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on December 14, 2015, 09:22:17 AM
This is not a criticism of Garde per se, but does anybody actually think we look like a better side than we did under Sherwood? The howlers are ever present, the flaws up front are still glaring, and he seems determined to keep faith with combinations that to the supporters just aren't making much sense.

I actually think he's the best man for the job, if he can get in players that he wants and who buy into his style of play. I think it's fairly obvious the squad he's got at Villa has barely any of those, but why is nothing he's trying working? We're long past that new manager bounce phase but if we're to have any hope of staying up that spark's going to have to start with players who don't seem to have bought into the new approach, if indeed there is one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on December 14, 2015, 09:46:09 AM
At least Garde knows what he doesn't want. Gabby looks like he wont play again, Kozak obviously doesn't impress. He tried N'Zog and dropped him again. Westwood doesn't get as much game time. So he is limited to striking options.
He seems to like Ayew, Gana, Sanchez and Veretout, the defence is changed around because of injuries.
He obviously wants to see more from Gil, Grealish and Traore, as we all do.
I think he has more technical knowledge than our last 3 managers, it's whether this team can actually get a win for him or not. He can't be blamed for Gestede or Sinclair, not getting headers on target or testing the keeper.
We have to stick by him, hopefully when the first win comes for him, it will lead to more.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: onje_villa on December 14, 2015, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: frank black on December 13, 2015, 10:18:13 PM
Just like the majority of decisions made by the folks running Villa, Garde was the wrong one.

I have no idea who should would have been the right one, but it obviously wasn't Garde. Not sure he's the one to get us promotion either.
5 games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 14, 2015, 09:53:08 AM
I did shout at the telly when I saw his interview on MOTD2 last night, and he hinted that the next few games are more important than the Arsenal game because we are playing teams "around us" and it's more important to take points off them. There are no teams around us in terms of points, we're cut adrift at the bottom, 10 points below the team we play next and we have to do more than beat the other teams at the bottom.

Anyway, people at work have stopped taking the piss out of me now, which is worrying.
 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: onje_villa on December 14, 2015, 09:54:00 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on December 14, 2015, 05:27:52 AM
why are all managers so intransigent? I agree with your comments about him Brian, but already he's making the same mistakes as the people who came before him - picking players week in week out who simply shouldn't be playing.
He's most certainly not playing the same players. He's dropped Gabby, dropped Westwood, which the majority on here were crying out for. He also brought back Ayew and Veretout into the fold, who arguably look like our best players. Who exactly do you suppose he plays? L. Messi? C. Ronaldo. Some people just amaze me they really do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 14, 2015, 10:06:27 AM
We are a mess but we were that long before Garde got here. When he has had a full transfer window and summer to work on his tactics and style I will judge him.  2 points from 5 is the same as 4 from 10 so no worse than timmy and I get the impression he knows what's wrong but can'tsort it with what we have.  January will be interesting.  The core of the side needs 3 players with experience and wishlist.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 14, 2015, 10:28:37 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on December 14, 2015, 09:22:17 AM
This is not a criticism of Garde per se, but does anybody actually think we look like a better side than we did under Sherwood? The howlers are ever present, the flaws up front are still glaring, and he seems determined to keep faith with combinations that to the supporters just aren't making much sense.

Just as under Sherwood, we only play well in very short spells of games. There's no consistency.

Although we do look slightly better organised now. The players look as if they know what they're meant to be doing, even if they're still basically incapable of doing it properly. And the team selections appear more logical.

I think we are now shit more or less in spite of the manager, whereas Sherwood was part of the problem himself. Not the only problem - the malaise obviously runs much deeper - but he was only making a bad situation worse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 14, 2015, 10:58:28 AM
I was heartened to read that Garde still wants his coaches and knows we are light without them. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on December 14, 2015, 11:09:13 AM
onje_villa - he is picking some people consistently when he shouldn't be - Gestede for one. That's intransigence.As for the others you mention, Gabby has been injured and has not featured recently, but the others have  had playing time under Sherwood and Garde, so saying the latter has brought them back into the fold is a little melodramatic. Some people amaze me, they really do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: onje_villa on December 14, 2015, 11:28:19 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on December 14, 2015, 11:09:13 AM
onje_villa - he is picking some people consistently when he shouldn't be - Gestede for one. That's intransigence.As for the others you mention, Gabby has been injured and has not featured recently, but the others have  had playing time under Sherwood and Garde, so saying the latter has brought them back into the fold is a little melodramatic. Some people amaze me, they really do.
I'd be really interested to see who other than the choice between Gestede and Kozak, you would pick differently? Do you really think the team selection is the issue here? Which players should he be playing that he isn't? Also, don't you think 5 games is somewhat premature to judge a manager brought in to start the long process of turning round a team in monumental decline?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 14, 2015, 11:32:07 AM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 14, 2015, 11:28:19 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on December 14, 2015, 11:09:13 AM
onje_villa - he is picking some people consistently when he shouldn't be - Gestede for one. That's intransigence.As for the others you mention, Gabby has been injured and has not featured recently, but the others have  had playing time under Sherwood and Garde, so saying the latter has brought them back into the fold is a little melodramatic. Some people amaze me, they really do.
I'd be really interested to see who other than the choice between Gestede and Kozak, you would pick differently? Do you really think the team selection is the issue here? Which players should he be playing that he isn't? Also, don't you think 5 games is somewhat premature to judge a manager brought in to start the long process of turning round a team in monumental decline?

I think that whatever team turns out for us, the absolute minimum requirement is that they run and chase and bust their guts to be competitive and I'd expect a team to start showing this after a manager has had 5 games to get this across. Didn't see it yesterday. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on December 14, 2015, 11:38:19 AM
We press in our own half only, mainly because we've had to try and be compact for four of the first five games as we're playing vastly superior opposition off the back of one of the worst runs in our 140 year history.

From Watford on we've begun to create chances, as we did against them, Southampton and Arsenal second half. Its not enough at the moment, as we're short in a few areas, mainly at the back and the absolute absence of any confidence is telling in the way we play.

I've seen Veretout and Ayew come along and us grind out some points where we thought perhaps a whacking was more likely.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 14, 2015, 11:48:46 AM
A genuinely good centre forward for the team to pay off with 2 competent full backs and a good holder would help.  Richards at right back would start it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: onje_villa on December 14, 2015, 11:48:55 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on December 14, 2015, 11:32:07 AM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 14, 2015, 11:28:19 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on December 14, 2015, 11:09:13 AM
onje_villa - he is picking some people consistently when he shouldn't be - Gestede for one. That's intransigence.As for the others you mention, Gabby has been injured and has not featured recently, but the others have  had playing time under Sherwood and Garde, so saying the latter has brought them back into the fold is a little melodramatic. Some people amaze me, they really do.
I'd be really interested to see who other than the choice between Gestede and Kozak, you would pick differently? Do you really think the team selection is the issue here? Which players should he be playing that he isn't? Also, don't you think 5 games is somewhat premature to judge a manager brought in to start the long process of turning round a team in monumental decline?

I think that whatever team turns out for us, the absolute minimum requirement is that they run and chase and bust their guts to be competitive and I'd expect a team to start showing this after a manager has had 5 games to get this across. Didn't see it yesterday.
I agree that effort should be a minimum but anyone can see that effort isn't the issue here surely. We're lambasting Hutton for being a liability not for a lack of effort, similarly most of the new players brought in are struggling to find their feet but I have absolutely no issues with the likes of Ayew and Veretout, I think they try hard and unlike others I don't hate these players. I think Remi has done the right thing with Grealish and Gabby - these are the lazy chancers that are not putting the effort in and Garde has responded to that.

If we are going down, which certainly looks likely, it's not because Garde hasn't shouted enough at the team or told them to "get stuck in", it's dangerous combination of a chronic lack of confidence (losing games for 4 years will do that), allied with a worryingly lack of experience and lack of goal threat.

And for the record, I for one can see small changes Garde has brought about. We definitely look to be more organised, we no longer have Sherwood's baffling selections or substitutions. But the defensive errors and lack of goal threat are chronic conditions and we will need time to overcome them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 14, 2015, 11:50:24 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on December 14, 2015, 11:09:13 AM
onje_villa - he is picking some people consistently when he shouldn't be - Gestede for one. That's intransigence.As for the others you mention, Gabby has been injured and has not featured recently, but the others have  had playing time under Sherwood and Garde, so saying the latter has brought them back into the fold is a little melodramatic. Some people amaze me, they really do.

How many of Garde's 5 games has Gestede started?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jockey Randall on December 14, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 14, 2015, 11:48:55 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on December 14, 2015, 11:32:07 AM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 14, 2015, 11:28:19 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on December 14, 2015, 11:09:13 AM
onje_villa - he is picking some people consistently when he shouldn't be - Gestede for one. That's intransigence.As for the others you mention, Gabby has been injured and has not featured recently, but the others have  had playing time under Sherwood and Garde, so saying the latter has brought them back into the fold is a little melodramatic. Some people amaze me, they really do.
I'd be really interested to see who other than the choice between Gestede and Kozak, you would pick differently? Do you really think the team selection is the issue here? Which players should he be playing that he isn't? Also, don't you think 5 games is somewhat premature to judge a manager brought in to start the long process of turning round a team in monumental decline?

I think that whatever team turns out for us, the absolute minimum requirement is that they run and chase and bust their guts to be competitive and I'd expect a team to start showing this after a manager has had 5 games to get this across. Didn't see it yesterday.
I agree that effort should be a minimum but anyone can see that effort isn't the issue here surely. We're lambasting Hutton for being a liability not for a lack of effort, similarly most of the new players brought in are struggling to find their feet but I have absolutely no issues with the likes of Ayew and Veretout, I think they try hard and unlike others I don't hate these players. I think Remi has done the right thing with Grealish and Gabby - these are the lazy chancers that are not putting the effort in and Garde has responded to that.

If we are going down, which certainly looks likely, it's not because Garde hasn't shouted enough at the team or told them to "get stuck in", it's dangerous combination of a chronic lack of confidence (losing games for 4 years will do that), allied with a worryingly lack of experience and lack of goal threat.

And for the record, I for one can see small changes Garde has brought about. We definitely look to be more organised, we no longer have Sherwood's baffling selections or substitutions. But the defensive errors and lack of goal threat are chronic conditions and we will need time to overcome them.

I think you're pretty much spot on here. Lack of effort is definitely not the issue.

Other than the odd player here or there I haven't really had any massive issue with any of the team selections either. I do think we look a lot better with the ball under Garde after dropping Westwood but the same old issues up front and at the back are still crippling us. All of the defence seem to have a mistake in them no matter who plays and we lack any serious firepower up front. I think it just mainly boils down to needing about 4/5 new players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 14, 2015, 12:39:51 PM
There were 3 Villa players jogging instead of chasing Arsenal players for their second goal - Sanchez was the worst offender for me. Hate to agree with Shearer but he had the measure of our lack of commitment for the second goal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on December 14, 2015, 12:44:30 PM
In Remi's defence:

Home
Arsenal
Man City
Watford

Away
Everton
Southampton

At the start of the season, if someone asked me how many points I expected from those games, I'd have said 3 or 4 points. We haven't fallen far short of my expectation. There does need to be an upturn immediately though, and I did expect a slightly higher level of performance by now if I'm honest, which makes me doubt whether or not we'll get a couple of wins in the next 3 or 4 games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villabear on December 14, 2015, 12:47:26 PM
At least there's a plan in place.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/remi-garde-aston-villa-boss-10594241
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on December 14, 2015, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: villabear on December 14, 2015, 12:47:26 PM
At least there's a plan in place.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/remi-garde-aston-villa-boss-10594241

Until the next fiasco, then we'll have something new.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: onje_villa on December 14, 2015, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: villabear on December 14, 2015, 12:47:26 PM
At least there's a plan in place.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/remi-garde-aston-villa-boss-10594241
It may not be what fans want to hear but I think it's important nonetheless. If we do go down we need to have a plan in place that we start today, do the right things, put the right structure in place, we need a team who understand the way we play, what is required of our players. Look at how many well run clubs there are in the league now who were nowhere a few years ago. Let's start learning if we haven't already.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2015, 07:49:02 PM
That is actually something I wanted to hear. Part of the reason we're in this mess is because we've lurched from one style to another over the years. If/when we go down I want Garde to have a chance to build his team and to try and get a philosophy at the club that can take us forward.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 14, 2015, 08:17:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 14, 2015, 10:58:28 AM
I was heartened to read that Garde still wants his coaches and knows we are light without them. 

I thought what was revealing is that he didn't make them an excuse for what is happening but instead used it to get to know the players better. I really, really want him to do well and realize he has been dealt a massively shit hand. I just hope he is open minded to try aggressive, adventurous formations because we are fast approaching the edge of the cliff.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on December 14, 2015, 08:47:27 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on December 14, 2015, 12:39:51 PM
There were 3 Villa players jogging instead of chasing Arsenal players for their second goal - Sanchez was the worst offender for me. Hate to agree with Shearer but he had the measure of our lack of commitment for the second goal.

Correct, however we have a seriously slow team from back to front. Hutton, Veretout and Sanchez looked to be running in treacle chasing back while Lescott must be the slowest player in the league. Just-Head up front, Sinclair/Grealish/Gil - zero pace in that trio either.

Thought Veretout's lack of heart was shocking for the second goal, he could see the danger and should have taken a yellow at worst to hack one of them down. But how many yards was Ramsey ahead of Gueye when he scored - 50 maybe?

They were both on the ground at the same time at the other end of the pitch, compare Ramsey's attitude, after a game midweek too, to our charlatan.

Gueye has a horrible attitude really, he has been the same in many games for us, losing the ball high up the pitch and not being arsed getting back. Tidy player on the ball but again in areas of the pitch that arent hurting the opposition. Fabian Delph he aint.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on December 14, 2015, 08:50:54 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 14, 2015, 11:48:46 AM
A genuinely good centre forward for the team to pay off with 2 competent full backs and a good holder would help.  Richards at right back would start it.

To be fair from the highlights it showed Hutton creating our two best chances second half.

Didnt see the game so appreciate it probably didnt show the multiple times Hutton failed to beat the first man.

For pace alone Richards needs to come back in at right back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 14, 2015, 08:59:32 PM
If there is a contingency plan for us being relegated, all I can say is that Remi Garde better get his skates on because there is so much to be done to make us an even half decent team again he is looking at at two seasons of rebuilding.

If we are going down, in a mere 30 weeks time we are going to have to be fighting harder and playing better than at any time in the last five years if we are to claw our way back to self respect and the EPL.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 14, 2015, 10:34:35 PM
Apart from ability we lack physical presence, athleticism and experience. We have a number of physically lightweight players, some of whom have ability, but who are too easily outmuscled and outrun Other than Lescott, who has generally looked below par, we have little real experience and leadership. Whoever decided on our transfer policy last summer is being shown up as somewhat inadequate ( in keeping with the current club ethos).

When Garde arrived I hoped we would be better organised, hard to beat and have soldiers willing to die for the cause. I saw some of that at Southamptonmlast week but worryingly, in addition to the above faults,  I feel we have the team with the least character in the league. There is not a single redeeming feature about this team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on December 14, 2015, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on December 14, 2015, 08:50:54 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 14, 2015, 11:48:46 AM
A genuinely good centre forward for the team to pay off with 2 competent full backs and a good holder would help.  Richards at right back would start it.

To be fair from the highlights it showed Hutton creating our two best chances second half.

Didnt see the game so appreciate it probably didnt show the multiple times Hutton failed to beat the first man.

For pace alone Richards needs to come back in at right back.

Hutton had an absolute shocker in the first half. He improved in the second, as did most of them to be fair, but by then the damage had been done.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 14, 2015, 11:22:01 PM
Correct Pat. Were not big, were not physical, were not fast, we don't counter attack, we don't play long ball, we don't play tikka takka, we aren't dirty, we aren't good at set pieces. There's not a single thing I can pin point what we do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on December 14, 2015, 11:23:32 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 14, 2015, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: villabear on December 14, 2015, 12:47:26 PM
At least there's a plan in place.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/remi-garde-aston-villa-boss-10594241
It may not be what fans want to hear but I think it's important nonetheless. If we do go down we need to have a plan in place that we start today, do the right things, put the right structure in place, we need a team who understand the way we play, what is required of our players. Look at how many well run clubs there are in the league now who were nowhere a few years ago. Let's start learning if we haven't already.

Sounds dandy.

But if it's Gerry Cottle's Circus implementing the plan, as seems the case at the moment, why are they suddenly going to be far more sharper and on the ball one league below?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on December 14, 2015, 11:29:04 PM
And that cxnt Gregg Evans can't spell.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 14, 2015, 11:57:48 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on December 14, 2015, 11:23:32 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on December 14, 2015, 12:55:39 PM
Quote from: villabear on December 14, 2015, 12:47:26 PM
At least there's a plan in place.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/remi-garde-aston-villa-boss-10594241
It may not be what fans want to hear but I think it's important nonetheless. If we do go down we need to have a plan in place that we start today, do the right things, put the right structure in place, we need a team who understand the way we play, what is required of our players. Look at how many well run clubs there are in the league now who were nowhere a few years ago. Let's start learning if we haven't already.

Sounds dandy.

But if it's Gerry Cottle's Circus implementing the plan, as seems the case at the moment, why are they suddenly going to be far more sharper and on the ball one league below?

Because, hopefully, half the team will be replaced.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on December 15, 2015, 02:24:04 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2015, 07:49:02 PM
That is actually something I wanted to hear. Part of the reason we're in this mess is because we've lurched from one style to another over the years. If/when we go down I want Garde to have a chance to build his team and to try and get a philosophy at the club that can take us forward.

Me too, it was a relief to hear that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 15, 2015, 07:08:53 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 13, 2015, 11:08:52 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on December 13, 2015, 10:56:46 PM
Sorry, but Garde in my opinion was the wrong choice. We should go in for Moyes who's available, no brainer really. We need someone to instill fire into these players......Garde doesn't do it. Another wrong choice by the clowns at the top.

Was Moyes instilling fire into the players at Sociedad? Garde has had 5 games and that's no time. When Moyes took over Everton was he an instant success? I might be wrong but I don't think so.

Yes he was they were staring at relegation and his first game was something like 4-0 at Derby.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 15, 2015, 08:42:08 AM
Picking up on the posts about our physical and mental inadequacies, for that to be corrected in whatever division we are in we have to have a style of play that our players are able, mentally, physically and technically to deliver.

Watching us against the Arsenal playing the ball sideways and backwards it seems clear to me that our coaches and managers have gone with the contemporary fashion for want of a more specific description you could call the Spanish style.  Retain possession, probe, feint, manouevre to find an opening then go through it. It is a joy to watch and utterly effective.  You can see why coaches want to play that way.

But, and it is a huge but, to play that way you have to have a full team of technically perfect, athletic, strong and intelligent players.  Every pass has to be precisely weighted and inch perfect and if the ball is lost they have to chase and harry relentlessly until possession is regained.  Without all those qualities all you do is wear out the turf in your own half, lose the ball and concede soft goals.

The alternative is NOT Route One or hoofball, it is fast, direct, thrusting football using the best qualities of your players and eliminating their individual flaws - being easily dispossessed, bad first touch, floaty crosses, running and pointing, proneness to panic.

In a nutshell start to punch your weight by doing what you can do well and stop not landing a punch at all by trying to do things you are not up to.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: avfcdale on December 15, 2015, 08:57:31 AM
Totally agree Brian, but still want a decent keeper brought in and Richards at Right back
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 15, 2015, 09:06:37 AM
Agree. Those will our only two moves in January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on December 15, 2015, 09:08:18 AM
Quote from: brian green on December 15, 2015, 08:42:08 AM
Picking up on the posts about our physical and mental inadequacies, for that to be corrected in whatever division we are in we have to have a style of play that our players are able, mentally, physically and technically to deliver.

Watching us against the Arsenal playing the ball sideways and backwards it seems clear to me that our coaches and managers have gone with the contemporary fashion for want of a more specific description you could call the Spanish style.  Retain possession, probe, feint, manouevre to find an opening then go through it. It is a joy to watch and utterly effective.  You can see why coaches want to play that way.

But, and it is a huge but, to play that way you have to have a full team of technically perfect, athletic, strong and intelligent players.  Every pass has to be precisely weighted and inch perfect and if the ball is lost they have to chase and harry relentlessly until possession is regained.  Without all those qualities all you do is wear out the turf in your own half, lose the ball and concede soft goals.

The alternative is NOT Route One or hoofball, it is fast, direct, thrusting football using the best qualities of your players and eliminating their individual flaws - being easily dispossessed, bad first touch, floaty crosses, running and pointing, proneness to panic.

In a nutshell start to punch your weight by doing what you can do well and stop not landing a punch at all by trying to do things you are not up to.

Hellelujah!

Been trying to say this for the past couple of weeks. 

We simply don't have the players to play the type of game we've tried all season.  To expect a different result using the same players and tactics is madness.

I said on the Arsenal post match thread that we need to deploy a defensive but flexible back 6 (3 centre backs, 2 wing backs and a holding midfielder) and the get the ball quickly forward to play on the counter attack - and was derided as you'd expect from those on here who still think the midfield is ok.

In effect we need to go back to the future and play like SGT's 1st team - pity we don't have Platt, Cowans and McGrath - but there you go.....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on December 15, 2015, 09:09:24 AM
Quote from: avfcdale on December 15, 2015, 08:57:31 AM
Totally agree Brian, but still want a decent keeper brought in and Richards at Right back

That will make the square root of fcuk all difference.  The problem is in the midfield and the way we try to play.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: avfcdale on December 15, 2015, 09:15:30 AM
Disagree

Ron Saunders, Brian Clough and George Graham were all Genius managers and they all started with Great goalkeepers. We do not currently have a great goalkeeper (or even a good one)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on December 15, 2015, 09:35:34 AM
Quote from: avfcdale on December 15, 2015, 09:15:30 AM
Disagree

Ron Saunders, Brian Clough and George Graham were all Genius managers and they all started with Great goalkeepers. We do not currently have a great goalkeeper (or even a good one)

He's not been good of late, but far from the disaster that many make out.

Saunders may have started with Coombes and Burridge btw ;-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 15, 2015, 09:43:47 AM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on December 15, 2015, 09:35:34 AM
Quote from: avfcdale on December 15, 2015, 09:15:30 AM
Disagree

Ron Saunders, Brian Clough and George Graham were all Genius managers and they all started with Great goalkeepers. We do not currently have a great goalkeeper (or even a good one)

He's not been good of late, but far from the disaster that many make out.

Saunders may have started with Coombes and Burridge btw ;-)

He is a disaster when confidence in him goes and players have to compensate.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: avfcdale on December 15, 2015, 10:16:42 AM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on December 15, 2015, 09:35:34 AM
Quote from: avfcdale on December 15, 2015, 09:15:30 AM
Disagree

Ron Saunders, Brian Clough and George Graham were all Genius managers and they all started with Great goalkeepers. We do not currently have a great goalkeeper (or even a good one)

He's not been good of late, but far from the disaster that many make out.

Saunders may have started with Coombes and Burridge btw ;-)


Coombes was already at the club when he arrived, He bought in Burridge and then upgraded to Rimmer
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on December 15, 2015, 10:26:09 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on December 15, 2015, 09:43:47 AM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on December 15, 2015, 09:35:34 AM
Quote from: avfcdale on December 15, 2015, 09:15:30 AM
Disagree

Ron Saunders, Brian Clough and George Graham were all Genius managers and they all started with Great goalkeepers. We do not currently have a great goalkeeper (or even a good one)

He's not been good of late, but far from the disaster that many make out.

Saunders may have started with Coombes and Burridge btw ;-)

He is a disaster when confidence in him goes and players have to compensate.

He's not a disaster and I don't see anyone markedly altering their game to compensate.

It's too easy to blame the goalie all the time - There are far bigger priorities to address in my opinion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: avfcdale on December 15, 2015, 10:33:39 AM
He is a disaster, easily the worst keeper we have had since Enkleman
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on December 15, 2015, 10:39:48 AM
Possibly.

But the more relevent point is that most of the outfield 10 are the worst we've had since the early 70s.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: avfcdale on December 15, 2015, 10:48:44 AM
Yes but by churning the midfield again you will achieve nothing, by getting a quality Goalkeeper, advising a world class Right back to play there instead of being shit and out of position as a centre half, you don't concede so many goals, look how many games Arsenal used to win 1-0 with George Graham in charge, look how many games we won by similar margins under John Gregory, a secure defence is something you can build on, you can never build if your foundations are poor, Brad Guzan is not and never will be a great goalkeeper and Richards is an ordinary centre half but potentially a world class right back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on December 15, 2015, 11:02:46 AM
Ok.

Start off by all means playing Richards at right back (or rt. side of back 3). 

Then sort out the defensive midfield (its not churn to get players out of the team who aren't good enough - see Westwood).

Then get a better keeper.

Or ideally do all three in January - but don't just change the keeper and do nothing else.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 15, 2015, 11:20:52 AM
An experienced effective holding midfielder that reads the game with an organised centre half and 2 genuine full backs.. plus a keeper and a striker.  Not much really. No coincidence that our best defensive run came with Vlaar and Senderos together.  Nothing spectacular but experienced stoppers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave Cooper please on December 15, 2015, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 14, 2015, 10:34:35 PM
Apart from ability we lack physical presence, athleticism and experience.

But apart from that we're okay.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on December 15, 2015, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 15, 2015, 11:20:52 AM
An experienced effective holding midfielder that reads the game with an organised centre half and 2 genuine full backs.. plus a keeper and a striker.  Not much really. No coincidence that our best defensive run came with Vlaar and Senderos together.  Nothing spectacular but experienced stoppers.

Agree about a holding midfielder.  I have seen enough of Sanchez and Westwood to conclude that neither are the answer.  We need better protection in front of the back four.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 15, 2015, 01:35:27 PM
I heard supporters giving Garde a hard time on Sunday, mainly about Adama coming on so late. If you take out the first run he had (which was impressive to be honest) he actually offered not a single other thing, especially defensively. The same could be said of Gil and Grealish

He is a weapon that has to be used correctly or as a last throw of the dice as his attacking advantage will be lost when we have only 10 men trying to retrieve the ball
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 15, 2015, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on December 15, 2015, 01:35:27 PM
I heard supporters giving Garde a hard time on Sunday, mainly about Adama coming on so late. If you take out the first run he had (which was impressive to be honest) he actually offered not a single other thing, especially defensively.

Jesus Christ, how long was he on the pitch for, what 5 minutes? What did you expect, a hat-trick and a couple of clearances off the line?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 15, 2015, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on December 15, 2015, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 14, 2015, 10:34:35 PM
Apart from ability we lack physical presence, athleticism and experience.

But apart from that we're okay.

I forgot to mention our warm up is shite too
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete on December 15, 2015, 02:34:32 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 15, 2015, 08:42:08 AM
Picking up on the posts about our physical and mental inadequacies, for that to be corrected in whatever division we are in we have to have a style of play that our players are able, mentally, physically and technically to deliver.

Watching us against the Arsenal playing the ball sideways and backwards it seems clear to me that our coaches and managers have gone with the contemporary fashion for want of a more specific description you could call the Spanish style.  Retain possession, probe, feint, manouevre to find an opening then go through it. It is a joy to watch and utterly effective.  You can see why coaches want to play that way.

But, and it is a huge but, to play that way you have to have a full team of technically perfect, athletic, strong and intelligent players.  Every pass has to be precisely weighted and inch perfect and if the ball is lost they have to chase and harry relentlessly until possession is regained.  Without all those qualities all you do is wear out the turf in your own half, lose the ball and concede soft goals.

The alternative is NOT Route One or hoofball, it is fast, direct, thrusting football using the best qualities of your players and eliminating their individual flaws - being easily dispossessed, bad first touch, floaty crosses, running and pointing, proneness to panic.

In a nutshell start to punch your weight by doing what you can do well and stop not landing a punch at all by trying to do things you are not up to.

I hate to say it, but that sounds like Leicester.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on December 15, 2015, 02:48:02 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 15, 2015, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on December 15, 2015, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 14, 2015, 10:34:35 PM
Apart from ability we lack physical presence, athleticism and experience.

But apart from that we're okay.

I forgot to mention our warm up is shite too

I cant agree with that Pat. I was only saying on Sunday to my mate how good we look in the warm up. Its when the other team get involved that it all goes to pot
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 15, 2015, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on December 15, 2015, 02:48:02 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 15, 2015, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on December 15, 2015, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 14, 2015, 10:34:35 PM
Apart from ability we lack physical presence, athleticism and experience.

But apart from that we're okay.

I forgot to mention our warm up is shite too

I cant agree with that Pat. I was only saying on Sunday to my mate how good we look in the warm up. Its when the other team get involved that it all goes to pot

We lost 3 nil to the cones in the warm up at Southampton
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 15, 2015, 03:01:19 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on December 15, 2015, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on December 15, 2015, 02:48:02 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 15, 2015, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on December 15, 2015, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 14, 2015, 10:34:35 PM
Apart from ability we lack physical presence, athleticism and experience.

But apart from that we're okay.

I forgot to mention our warm up is shite too

I cant agree with that Pat. I was only saying on Sunday to my mate how good we look in the warm up. Its when the other team get involved that it all goes to pot

We lost 3 nil to the cones in the warm up at Southampton
Well it's the best explanation for some of our half arsed chasing down and lax passing I've heard so far this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 15, 2015, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 15, 2015, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on December 15, 2015, 01:35:27 PM
I heard supporters giving Garde a hard time on Sunday, mainly about Adama coming on so late. If you take out the first run he had (which was impressive to be honest) he actually offered not a single other thing, especially defensively.

Jesus Christ, how long was he on the pitch for, what 5 minutes? What did you expect, a hat-trick and a couple of clearances off the line?

And for the 5 minutes he was on he actually didn't even get the ball for the first 3 minutes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on December 15, 2015, 03:51:14 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on December 15, 2015, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on December 15, 2015, 02:48:02 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 15, 2015, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on December 15, 2015, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 14, 2015, 10:34:35 PM
Apart from ability we lack physical presence, athleticism and experience.

But apart from that we're okay.

I forgot to mention our warm up is shite too

I cant agree with that Pat. I was only saying on Sunday to my mate how good we look in the warm up. Its when the other team get involved that it all goes to pot

We lost 3 nil to the cones in the warm up at Southampton

They were pressing us well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 15, 2015, 03:59:52 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 15, 2015, 03:51:14 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on December 15, 2015, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on December 15, 2015, 02:48:02 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 15, 2015, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on December 15, 2015, 12:57:20 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 14, 2015, 10:34:35 PM
Apart from ability we lack physical presence, athleticism and experience.

But apart from that we're okay.

I forgot to mention our warm up is shite too

I cant agree with that Pat. I was only saying on Sunday to my mate how good we look in the warm up. Its when the other team get involved that it all goes to pot

We lost 3 nil to the cones in the warm up at Southampton

They were pressing us well.

Too much movement for us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on December 15, 2015, 04:28:03 PM
they looked like cones on ice
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 15, 2015, 04:48:30 PM
Well you might say our play has become conical of late.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on December 15, 2015, 05:07:11 PM
Quote from: Pete on December 15, 2015, 02:34:32 PM
Quote from: brian green link=topic=54969.msg2972953#msg2972953 date=1450168928.
[b
The alternative is NOT Route One or hoofball, it is fast, direct, thrusting football using the best qualities of your players and eliminating their individual flaws - being easily dispossessed, bad first touch, floaty crosses, running and pointing, proneness to panic.

In a nutshell start to punch your weight by doing what you can do well and stop not landing a punch at all by trying to do things you are not up to.[/b]

I hate to say it, but that sounds like Leicester.
It does, and there's nothing to be embarrassed about that right now. They play to their strengths and work the shite out of the oppo. Great - what we don't do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 15, 2015, 05:29:03 PM
Look how quickly Vardy closes down and harasses the opposition to the big lumbering carthorse we have trying in vain to change his direction.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 15, 2015, 05:33:37 PM
But by chance when he fluked a fumble from Twat in the Hat what did he do? He fell over.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on December 16, 2015, 11:35:13 PM
Quote from: Uknowthescore on December 13, 2015, 10:38:14 AM
Sorry can't do links. This was taken from a French football magazine

Remi Garde: “It was necessary that I arrived in an ambulance.
Speaking to L’Équipe, Aston Villa manager Remi Garde looked back on his first few weeks at the helm of the Premier League strugglers. Extracts.

Aston Villa are 20th. Do you tell yourself that you have not started your England managerial career in the best place?

Of course the standings are paramount in the short term, but there are other things: I had quite a special meeting with the owner, and I needed this connection. The project is not simply about saving the club’s position in the Premier League. We have to rebuild a team that, according to what I have been told, was not sufficiently built with solid foundations. For the last three or four seasons now, Villa has only just saved itself. So things are not functioning well, despite having the ninth biggest budget in the Premier League.

On his first month in charge…

It is not like I am discovering a new type of job. It is certainly quite peculiar to arrive whilst the season is ongoing, at the head of a team who had just lost seven matches in a row. It was necessary that I arrived in an ambulance, in some way. The job is not different, for the moment, because I am concentrating on the team and in terms of finding solutions as to how we play.

Are you annoyed at Lyon President Jean Michel Aulas for not allowing you to bring some of your former coaching staff with you to Aston Villa?

No, I am not annoyed with him, because I understand his position, especially at the time at which I asked him. Aside from that, I did not have any choice but to ask him, and I am sure that he understood that I was going to do so. But I tried because it was very important for me, and it remains so. In terms of the role of manager in England, there are boxes that I still need to fill.

Your coaching staff is really quite small…

Yes, it is missing at least one person. But this has also allowed me to spend more time directly with my players, instead of immediately taking a back seat like a manager. I needed to be close to them at the start.

Would avoiding relegation be a feat?

Oh of course. I have said to the players: that is our title for the season, succeed in doing something that nobody can see us doing, and that has never been done.

If you are relegated, will you remain at Aston Villa?

My discussions with the owner also covered that. I wanted certain assurances, and he said to me that if the club was relegated that the project would remain in place, and that he was counting on me to keep it going. So I am working for the medium-term too.

But would you want to stay?

I would want to stay if I feel that everyone is behind me, yes. A season in the Championship, it is not what people dream of, but we can rebuild the foundations of this club quite quickly. Relegation, nobody wants that, but if we are in the Championship and the club still wants me, I will go again with Villa, the answer is yes.

Will the January transfer window radically change the face of your team?

Radically, I don’t know, but it could change, yes, and I hope that it will change. Sometimes, the window is not a welcome thing, it can destabilise a team, but in our case, we could benefit from it.

On Sunday you play against Arsenal and Arsène Wenger, is this a little bit special for you?

A little bit, but I do not want to overdo it either. It brings a tear to the eye because it is thanks to this club and the very same manager that I was able to discover nearly 20 years ago English football that I so love.

Have you spoken to him on the phone?

Not since I arrived. But I spoke to him before, yes. I spoke to him when I had other contacts with English clubs (Newcastle and Sunderland). I called him (this time), but I already had a great desire to come here. His advice is always very informative.

Arsène had always said very positive things about you, and generally speaking it is thought that he does not speak to his players…

He speaks only a little, but he always hits the nail on the head. That is Arsène’s strength. He is a great communicator, not in terms of quantity but in terms of quality. As he speaks only a little, when he does, everyone is always listening. And like all the managers, when he speaks to the press, he is also speaking to his players.

It seems we know more from L'Equipe what is going on than from the Tom Fox thread.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: The Left Side on December 17, 2015, 03:35:40 AM
Thanks for posting the L'Equipe interview, the more I hear from RG the more I like him... i've almost written off this season already, hopefully we see a few signs of encouragement in the January transfer window and build for the long term. Anyone got a time machine?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 17, 2015, 03:51:07 AM
Remarkable how much easier you feel when you able to have some clear information about what is going on.  Compare what we get via L'Equipe with the waffle, marketing speak and banalities we have endured from the channels that have been used by the club for the last five years. The phrase "arrived in an ambulance" alone deserves a round of applause.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 17, 2015, 12:28:39 PM
Remi says if we get relegated we will deal with by reorganising and coming back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on December 17, 2015, 12:32:51 PM
I'd love to know what this "project" is that will remain in place if we get relegated. I have seen precious little evidence of a discernible strategy for a very long time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 17, 2015, 12:39:26 PM
If this project was real being relegated is surely part of it otherwise it has long ceased to be a viable project? :-[
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2015, 11:43:18 PM
Seems that Remi is basically calling it like most have seen it for a while on Gabby and N'Zogbia. I don't expect either to be with the club for much longer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 17, 2015, 11:59:10 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2015, 11:43:18 PM
Seems that Remi is basically calling it like most have seen it for a while on Gabby and N'Zogbia. I don't expect either to be with the club for much longer.

As Zog is out of contract in 6 months that's a pretty safe bet!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 18, 2015, 12:46:45 AM
Quote from: olaftab on December 17, 2015, 12:39:26 PM
If this project was real being relegated is surely part of it otherwise it has long ceased to be a viable project? :-[

All well and good Aftab, but is the project par to the five year plan?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2015, 12:59:19 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 17, 2015, 11:59:10 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2015, 11:43:18 PM
Seems that Remi is basically calling it like most have seen it for a while on Gabby and N'Zogbia. I don't expect either to be with the club for much longer.

As Zog is out of contract in 6 months that's a pretty safe bet!

For sure and he mentioned that. It's a more a case of the manager figuring out who's with him and who isn't. I suppose we have all known for a while some of those who have shown themselves to be less than on board. It will be good to rid ourselves of them, whether we have to sell them or as with N'Zogbia contracts are allowed to expire.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on December 18, 2015, 01:01:12 AM
I'd forgotten N'Zogbia even existed. I bet our accountants hadn't.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 18, 2015, 01:13:46 AM
He has been much more frank and direct about players than I would imagine they are used to. His comments on Traore, Grealish, Gabby and NZogbia are all pretty close to spot on though.

I like him. Needs time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on December 18, 2015, 01:19:25 AM
Are there new comments from him on Zog? He did say after giving him a sub appearance in his first game that he wanted to see what be could do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on December 18, 2015, 04:40:52 AM
Yeah - http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/charles-nzogbia-aston-villa-manager-10616300
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on December 18, 2015, 06:11:22 AM
God he is straight speaking isnt he?. Even if we go down I think we can trust him to bring us up again.It will be interesting to see what players he brings in come the Jan window.Looks like goodbye at last to Agbonlahor and Zog and maybe even Richards come summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 18, 2015, 07:20:22 AM
cant see nzog going anywhere in jan, he will sit on his stupid trousered arse until may then fuck off for nothing

25 million plus on that useless cock
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 18, 2015, 01:47:11 PM
I get the feeling that Garde will want CNZ away from the club in January, one way or another. Even if it means paying off his contract. Attitude looks to be a major problem with some players and it may be impacting on the others more than we think.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on December 18, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
I really like his approach in the media - and this no bullshit about players we all know aren't pulling their weight. I am hoping it will signal to who-ever wants to be part of this project, that either you help or you are ousted (which is the only way when things are as crap as this)

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on December 18, 2015, 05:31:59 PM
I feel like we have been through this before, though. With Houllier. With the Bomb Squad. How often do we have to start afresh?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 18, 2015, 05:58:31 PM
Houllier was on track. He was an organ light.  My predictor wrote orangutan when I typed organ light. What a Yuletide pun fest would have come swinging out of the trees if I had not spotted that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on December 18, 2015, 05:59:15 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on December 18, 2015, 05:31:59 PM
I feel like we have been through this before, though. With Houllier. With the Bomb Squad. How often do we have to start afresh?
Until we,finally,get it right.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nelson Lodge on December 18, 2015, 06:29:17 PM
Presumably it is Garde who has initiated the recall of Aly Cissokho from Porto this afternoon.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on December 18, 2015, 06:31:00 PM
We only spend big money on select players these days. Their motivation and attitude should be assessed as best as possible before splurging transfer money and wages on them, otherwise these bomb-squad iterations will continue. Maybe all clubs have them to an extent, not sure, I don't take much notice to any other team. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on December 18, 2015, 07:03:05 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on December 18, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
I really like his approach in the media - and this no bullshit about players we all know aren't pulling their weight. I am hoping it will signal to who-ever wants to be part of this project, that either you help or you are ousted (which is the only way when things are as crap as this)



I do too, in fact I just wish we'd had him in June. I like him a lot.

But what's the difference between him calling out players who he deems not good enough, and when Tim Sherwood did it. Is it the accent, is it the calmness of which he says everything?

When TS did this in his brash, noisy style, people complained saying he shouldn't be doing this in the media spotlight.

Just interested. Personally, I'm glad Remi has noticed the Gabby and Nzog types in the squad. I'd pay the pair off, just get rid.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 18, 2015, 08:52:56 PM
Sherwood made comments but with no action. Typical of him,  all gob!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2015, 10:18:56 PM
Quote from: CT on December 18, 2015, 07:03:05 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on December 18, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
I really like his approach in the media - and this no bullshit about players we all know aren't pulling their weight. I am hoping it will signal to who-ever wants to be part of this project, that either you help or you are ousted (which is the only way when things are as crap as this)



I do too, in fact I just wish we'd had him in June. I like him a lot.

But what's the difference between him calling out players who he deems not good enough, and when Tim Sherwood did it. Is it the accent, is it the calmness of which he says everything?

When TS did this in his brash, noisy style, people complained saying he shouldn't be doing this in the media spotlight.

Just interested. Personally, I'm glad Remi has noticed the Gabby and Nzog types in the squad. I'd pay the pair off, just get rid.

Sherwood made mistakes himself and then used players as scapegoats.  Garde is saying the same things as we are about certain players and isn't doing it to save face, I think this is the 'kick up the arse to try to get a response' which Gabby and Nzog have needed for 3-4 years.  I think the little digs at Grealish and Kozak are similar, he's trying to light a fire in them, it won't work for everyone but it's worth a go before christmas to try to sneak us a few points before the window opens.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on December 18, 2015, 11:36:24 PM
And he's told them face to face, he didn't use the press to get his message accross.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 19, 2015, 07:59:02 AM
Agree Rob. When I think of Sherwood's time at Villa I am reminded of the famous interview with Diana when she said "there are three of us in this marriage".  There were three in the Sherwood relationship. Him, the media and the club, in that order.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on December 19, 2015, 09:45:11 AM
Brian I think he has sussed out the problem at the club and that is attitude, for too long we have had Gabby Nzogbia and others just going through the motions, I look at the Leicester players and too a man they are up for it, look at what a little belief and effort can do. Relegated or not I want all the useless bastards kicked out and in future any player under performing with no excuse kicked out asap.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 19, 2015, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on December 19, 2015, 09:45:11 AM
Brian I think he has sussed out the problem at the club and that is attitude, for too long we have had Gabby Nzogbia and others just going through the motions, I look at the Leicester players and too a man they are up for it, look at what a little belief and effort can do. Relegated or not I want all the useless bastards kicked out and in future any player under performing with no excuse kicked out asap.

just look at watford as well

nzog, gabby, richardson and lescott shouldnw make the matchday squad again, they have no part to play in the rebuilding of the club
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on December 20, 2015, 01:17:22 PM
He comes over as an intelligent man but a long term future here? No i don't think so. Think he will be gone by this time next year. The last time we were in this situation, we got in an experienced man who was respected throughout football with the authority to force things through even if it upset the Chairman and senior players. Garde isn't that man and its a momentous job for someone in his first season managing in England. Problem is i don't see an established SGT type available in the premier or elsewhere who would take a punt on a fallen giant this time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 20, 2015, 01:24:46 PM
I take it you do not consider what he did at Lyon to be of any merit?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on December 20, 2015, 01:32:37 PM
yes but it's a different scenario and a different league. One thing SGT did know very well was what it took to get out of the Championship and to a certain extent the sort of players he bought in to get us out were pretty much the sort of players watford were scouting for. I could be wrong but will Garde know of a Platt or similar? Will the players he knows well in France adapt to the championship? Are they suited? I can't see it myself.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on December 20, 2015, 02:21:15 PM
Yeah I think that Sherwood had too much of a ego about him, whereas Garde at least doesn't seem to have that issue.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on December 19, 2015, 09:45:11 AM
Brian I think he has sussed out the problem at the club and that is attitude, for too long we have had Gabby Nzogbia and others just going through the motions, I look at the Leicester players and too a man they are up for it, look at what a little belief and effort can do. Relegated or not I want all the useless bastards kicked out and in future any player under performing with no excuse kicked out asap.

I agree.

I am sick of the likes of Gabby just floating along from big contract to big contract, and would much rather have a manager like Garde who won't put up with that shit - from anyone, see his punishment of Grealish.

If we go down, I really hope Garde stays with us and rebuilds us as he sees best. The absolute last thing I want to see is him gone and some utter fucking relic off the British managers production line stepping in.

The club doesn't just need a bit of patching up in parts - it needs a total fucking gutting from top to bottom. I would rather we did that with a European coach with a modern outlook than some Curblishleyesque relic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 05:19:04 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on December 20, 2015, 01:32:37 PM
yes but it's a different scenario and a different league.

And SGT was of a different time - 30 years ago.

The game has changed so much since then it is barely worth comparing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 20, 2015, 05:26:04 PM
Remember those chants of "Fergie on the dole!"? I am not saying Rémi will be a Fergie for us but we might benefit from his approach, even in Div 2. Why get the jitters about him now?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 20, 2015, 05:29:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on December 19, 2015, 09:45:11 AM
Brian I think he has sussed out the problem at the club and that is attitude, for too long we have had Gabby Nzogbia and others just going through the motions, I look at the Leicester players and too a man they are up for it, look at what a little belief and effort can do. Relegated or not I want all the useless bastards kicked out and in future any player under performing with no excuse kicked out asap.

I agree.

I am sick of the likes of Gabby just floating along from big contract to big contract, and would much rather have a manager like Garde who won't put up with that shit - from anyone, see his punishment of Grealish.

If we go down, I really hope Garde stays with us and rebuilds us as he sees best. The absolute last thing I want to see is him gone and some utter fucking relic off the British managers production line stepping in.

The club doesn't just need a bit of patching up in parts - it needs a total fucking gutting from top to bottom. I would rather we did that with a European coach with a modern outlook than some Curblishleyesque relic.

I agree completely. I want Garde to stay and build, whether we go down or not. He already appears to be isolating the bad apples in the squad. I also hope him staying would mean we could retain the likes of Ayew and Veretout, who are starting to show their quality. I know people were annoyed we didn't go for it at the end yesterday, including me, but in the cold light of day I think he was trying to build a belief and foundation in the group. It makes sense, because to go on the sort of run we need to go on we're going to need a good amount of confidence. Garde is the man to take this club forward.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on December 20, 2015, 05:33:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 05:19:04 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on December 20, 2015, 01:32:37 PM
yes but it's a different scenario and a different league.

And SGT was of a different time - 30 years ago.

The game has changed so much since then it is barely worth comparing.


Maybe, but a knowledge of the type of players needed to do well in the Championship would still be advantageous. We won't be competing with premier clubs for players next season wherever Garde decides to get his players from.  We'll be scouting players at a lower level, just like we did under SGT
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2015, 05:54:37 PM
Quote from: Bad English on December 20, 2015, 05:26:04 PM
Remember those chants of "Fergie on the dole!"? I am not saying Rémi will be a Fergie for us but we might benefit from his approach, even in Div 2. Why get the jitters about him now?


Whenever somebody mentions Ferguson in this context, it's always worth remembering that he finished 2nd in his first full season in charge.  I haven't been overly impressed with Garde so far.  Other than bombing out wasters like Gabby, he seems to have improved precisely nothing so far.  I can't see which game he's actually going to win.  He's inherited a shit team of course, but I had hoped for some signs of improvement.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on December 20, 2015, 06:00:27 PM
Until we see a marked improvement, then there's no way people can say he's an improvement on Sherwood.  He's had six games and picked up 3 points which have  been barely deserved.  Gardes tactics are far too cowardly considering we need wins.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 20, 2015, 06:10:06 PM
I repeat the words of SGT. To go forwards you first have to stop going backwards.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2015, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 20, 2015, 06:10:06 PM
I repeat the words of SGT. To go forwards you first have to stop going backwards.

Which as yet, we haven't.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on December 20, 2015, 06:36:21 PM
It is easy to be negative. It is even rational to be negative. But it doesn't really help, does it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 06:41:40 PM
Pretty hard to believe people are writing Garde off already.

As for no improvement, well, we've at least started drawing a few more games. It's not much but it is better than losing them.

I didn't expect anything against Man City, Southampton or Newcastle, but we drew them all. We now need to use that as a base to win some of the more winnable games we have coming up.

When Garde came here, we were P10 W1 D1 L8 and had just lost our sixth consecutive game.

That's a truly awful run of results. I don't know what kind of improvement people expect in a short time frame, with a record like that and the momentum of a double decker bus heading for a cliff at 100mph.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on December 20, 2015, 06:42:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 20, 2015, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 20, 2015, 06:10:06 PM
I repeat the words of SGT. To go forwards you first have to stop going backwards.

Which as yet, we haven't.

Before he arrived we had lost 7 in a row, since he took over we have drawn 3 from 6. It's not brilliant but it is clearly better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on December 20, 2015, 06:45:44 PM
I'm afraid that's where we are. We're a coma patient occassionally fluttering an eyelid or moving a finger. Everyone hopes we're gonna spring to life, but the chances are they will turn off the machine in May. It's a long drawn out death really. No-one knows if garde will be here in the summer, or what players will be, so you can't even plan for hopefully better days. There's nowt to do but wait really :0(
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 06:46:18 PM
Quote from: LTA on December 20, 2015, 06:00:27 PM
Until we see a marked improvement, then there's no way people can say he's an improvement on Sherwood.  He's had six games and picked up 3 points which have  been barely deserved.

That doesn't even stand up to mathematical examination.

Sherwood: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points from 10 matches = 0.4 points a game.
Garde: P6 W0 D3 L3 = 3 points from 6 matches = 0.5 points a game.

So, mathematically, it is an improvement, if a marginal one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on December 20, 2015, 06:49:44 PM
Sherwood for me was an impact manager, and whatever anyone says he did the job for us last season and we stayed up, long term he got found out, but I am probably in a minority of one with the view that I don't see him as negatively as most others on here

 Garde is not an impact manager,
he seems more of a long term strategist and hopefully can be the man who like SGT can build something of quality, I like him and like the way he comes over and I want to believe in him, but he needs to give us something to hang on to

like Risso I'm not totally convinced yet,
 to many obvious mistakes in the lineups  (like Sherwood)
and he definitely doesn't know his best team yet, I hope he gets to grips with it all soon because the biggest thing we need is a shot of convidence, as was evident on Saturday when we turned up in the second half

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on December 20, 2015, 07:00:35 PM
Even having the courage to go down fighting could have such an important influence. It might mean the difference between hanging onto a decent player or not. It could mean being able to persuade a decent player to join us for a glamour-free campaign in the Championship.

And most importantly, nobody ever achieved anything by believing that it was impossible and they might as well fucking give up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on December 20, 2015, 07:09:55 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on December 20, 2015, 07:00:35 PM
Even having the courage to go down fighting could have such an important influence. It might mean the difference between hanging onto a decent player or not. It could mean being able to persuade a decent player to join us for a glamour-free campaign in the Championship.

And most importantly, nobody ever achieved anything by believing that it was impossible and they might as well fucking give up.


just don't believe in false hope. Even if we give it a go and say Ayew manages 10 goals till the end of the season he'll be flogged because that's the club's modus operandi. Same with garde. He could pick up and do a decent job. Will Lerner back him if we go down? - i wouldn't bet on it. I prefer to wait till the dust has settled on the devastation which with Lerner making decisions could be any time from May till this time next year.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on December 20, 2015, 07:12:48 PM
Yes you could well be right. But I don't think that hope comes into it, false or otherwise. It's just bottle.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on December 20, 2015, 07:13:46 PM
Writing off Garde is sheer madness at this point. He's got our poorest squad since Jesus was a lad and no transfer window to improve it, he's joined at a period of little to no confidence at all in the squad and he's expected to turn it around in a handful of games? Christ, the demand for instant results is absolutely crazy in today's game. I'd say he needs until this time next year to try to turn round this horrendous negativity in the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2015, 07:17:40 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on December 20, 2015, 06:42:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 20, 2015, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 20, 2015, 06:10:06 PM
I repeat the words of SGT. To go forwards you first have to stop going backwards.

Which as yet, we haven't.

Before he arrived we had lost 7 in a row, since he took over we have drawn 3 from 6. It's not brilliant but it is clearly better.

It's still the sort of points tally that will see us relegated with months to spare.  I'm not writing off him off by the way, I'm just saying I'm not impressed so far.  The starting line up yesterday was dire, and he needs to be more adventurous from the off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on December 20, 2015, 07:23:25 PM
Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on December 20, 2015, 07:13:46 PM
Writing off Garde is sheer madness at this point. He's got our poorest squad since Jesus was a lad and no transfer window to improve it, he's joined at a period of little to no confidence at all in the squad and he's expected to turn it around in a handful of games? Christ, the demand for instant results is absolutely crazy in today's game. I'd say he needs until this time next year to try to turn round this horrendous negativity in the club.


I'm not writing him off really. My point is that a manager who (probably) takes a club down, however little that is to do with him, rarely turns up back in the premier a year later. At the moment garde has arrived with zero expectations really. Most Villa fans realise he's been dealt a bum hand. Once we're in Championship that will change rapidly, shite squad or not he'll be expected to be up near the top pretty sharpish into the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: shipscat on December 20, 2015, 08:13:48 PM
The clubs that tend to have a barnstormer after relegation,tend to be the clubs that are financially secure.All the teams that we invoke the nightmare scenario of failing longterm to get out of the championship suffered in this regard,Coventry,Forest,Wednesday,Leeds were all run by financial numptees.Us;naive,unorganised...Yet I still feel we will be supported in this sense.With dollars.

For me,I'd suggest that Lerner won't reach for the emergency exit and Mr Garde will be given the tools and time to pull this poorly sailed tanker in a 180 degree motion.All the evidence,whether it's the L'Equipe interview or the fact that he's felt confident enough to publically deride some of our  paper assets about their lack of endeavour and ability apparent to their pay checks,suggests to me he's confident of being around to benefit from the short term pain.Good.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on December 20, 2015, 09:08:05 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on December 20, 2015, 07:00:35 PM
Even having the courage to go down fighting could have such an important influence. It might mean the difference between hanging onto a decent player or not. It could mean being able to persuade a decent player to join us for a glamour-free campaign in the Championship.

And most importantly, nobody ever achieved anything by believing that it was impossible and they might as well fucking give up.

It could also mean that we go into next season so so with some optimism. If we just give up now we could be in the third division before we catch breath, go down having given it a go and we have a chance to go into next season fighting.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on December 20, 2015, 09:16:30 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on December 20, 2015, 09:08:05 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on December 20, 2015, 07:00:35 PM
Even having the courage to go down fighting could have such an important influence. It might mean the difference between hanging onto a decent player or not. It could mean being able to persuade a decent player to join us for a glamour-free campaign in the Championship.

And most importantly, nobody ever achieved anything by believing that it was impossible and they might as well fucking give up.

It could also mean that we go into next season so so with some optimism. If we just give up now we could be in the third division before we catch breath, go down having given it a go and we have a chance to go into next season fighting.

I think the manager understands this clearly, and it's probably the most critical issue to address at the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:27:36 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 20, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

Honestly, I am as fucked off as anyone about us being such an embarrassment, but this whole "we haven't got a single decent player" thing is nonsense.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2015, 09:30:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:27:36 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 20, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

Honestly, I am as fucked off as anyone about us being such an embarrassment, but this whole "we haven't got a single decent player" thing is nonsense.

I think Veretout and Gueye will be OK in the Championship, and hopefully Grealish will start to realise his talent, but honestly, who have we got who'd you'd say is nailed on to do a good job of taking us back up? 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on December 20, 2015, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 20, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

The three Jordans would tear up that league. Traore would blossom. Okore would be way too good for that level, as would Gana, and if young Jack can see the light it would be the making of him.

The rest can fuck off though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 20, 2015, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 20, 2015, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 20, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

The three Jordans would tear up that league. Traore would blossom. Okore would be way too good for that level, as would Gana, and if young Jack can see the light it would be the making of him.

The rest can fuck off though.

I have a horrible feeling that at least four of that lot will end up playing in the Champions League, and we'll be watching them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on December 20, 2015, 09:41:19 PM
I don't think any of our genuine talent would stick around if we dropped, I really don't.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on December 20, 2015, 09:54:45 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 20, 2015, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 20, 2015, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 20, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

The three Jordans would tear up that league. Traore would blossom. Okore would be way too good for that level, as would Gana, and if young Jack can see the light it would be the making of him.

The rest can fuck off though.

I have a horrible feeling that at least four of that lot will end up playing in the Champions League, and we'll be watching them.

Can you keep those feelings to yourself in the short term, I've enough demons to deal with at the moment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 20, 2015, 10:00:51 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 20, 2015, 09:30:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:27:36 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 20, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

Honestly, I am as fucked off as anyone about us being such an embarrassment, but this whole "we haven't got a single decent player" thing is nonsense.

I think Veretout and Gueye will be OK in the Championship, and hopefully Grealish will start to realise his talent, but honestly, who have we got who'd you'd say is nailed on to do a good job of taking us back up? 

I reckon Veretout, Gueye, Ayew, Amavi, Okore, Richards, Gestede(only in the Championship), Grealish, Gil, Sinclair and Adama would potentially run riot. If, and it's a big if, we kept those players and added a few in, with 6
months plus under Garde, we'd smash the teams in the Championship.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ktvillan on December 20, 2015, 10:14:07 PM
The results may have only picked up slightly under Garde but let's face it he's not had much to work with.  A whole bunch of mediocre players to shuffle, whose confidence and motivation were at rock bottom, and many with serious attitude problems.  Apart from the slight improvement in results you can see improvements in the way the likes of Veretout and Ayew have been playing after being given a fair chance. He's also been denied the services of one of our better players, Amavi, whom I dare say would have thrived under Garde after having been discarded by Dim. And from what I can see the passing and movement is showing signs of improvement.  I do think he could be bolder with Traore but he is a bit raw, and I get the impression Garde wants to steady the ship first and try to get to the window still with a chance of avoiding the drop, however slim.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rioch is King on December 20, 2015, 11:04:31 PM
What has happened to Gary Gardner? he had an impressive spell with Forest last season didn't he? - perhaps I've missed somehting and he's gone out on loan again or got injured.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 20, 2015, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: Rioch is King on December 20, 2015, 11:04:31 PM
What has happened to Gary Gardner? he had an impressive spell with Forest last season didn't he? - perhaps I've missed somehting and he's gone out on loan again or got injured.


what happened to Gardner is what always happens to Gardner. The most injured footballer since Ivo Stas.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on December 21, 2015, 12:15:10 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

Yep.  In Okore, Amavi, Gana, Veretout and Ayew we have a young nucleus of players that with the right players around them, would see us come straight back up and make a decent fist of it in the top flight.  I think Lescott and Richards would be fine in the Championship, but the former would definitely need replacing if we went back up.  If used correctly, I think Grealish and Gil would be too good for a lot of a Championship sides as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 21, 2015, 12:20:49 AM
I'll probably receive criticism for this because "OMG you're writing him off after 6 games!!!!11 give him the chair!!!!!", but I'd be tempted to sack him and appoint someone who wants to have a go. The line up and subsequent non-substitutions yesterday were a disgrace, would we have made any changes had De Jong scored, I wonder?

A bit negative, so I want to point out that I like Garde and have faith in him long term, but I'm just so pissed off that we seem to be accepting relegation. Why can't we start throwing some punches? We might end up getting knocked out, but it's worth losing on points with a bit of pride.

Maybe I'm overreacting a bit. Like I said, I like the guy, but drawing games isn't gonna keep us up :(
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2015, 12:30:45 AM
How can you faith in someone long term that you want fired today? You have to laugh.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on December 21, 2015, 01:17:37 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 20, 2015, 09:35:15 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 20, 2015, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 20, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

They were in the fortunate position of having Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan, who were too good for the Championship, and those two were mostly responsible for bringing them back up.  Other than maybe Ayew, I don't think we've got many players we can say that about.

The three Jordans would tear up that league. Traore would blossom. Okore would be way too good for that level, as would Gana, and if young Jack can see the light it would be the making of him.

The rest can fuck off though.

I have a horrible feeling that at least four of that lot will end up playing in the Champions League, and we'll be watching them.

That has been my concern as well. An astute talent spotter would surely spot the potential of these players. During the Arsenal game, an old guy sitting a few seats away could be heard muttering, "that was good, he'll be gone". 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 21, 2015, 01:45:48 AM
Andy Carroll scored 17 goals when Newcastle pissed the division. Less than Rudy got last season for mid-table Blackburn. Rudy is considered one of our worst players yet did more in that division than Newcastle's best player. We'll smash that division.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on December 21, 2015, 07:48:48 AM
PWS I hope your right but every other team will be after our scalp.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on December 21, 2015, 08:12:07 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on December 21, 2015, 07:48:48 AM
PWS I hope your right but every other team will be after our scalp.

Bring it!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldtimernow on December 21, 2015, 08:32:25 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
When Newcastle went down, they used it to shed themselves of some real non-contributing wage guzzling duds, kept most of the ones they wanted to keep, and came straight back up.

That's what we need to be thinking.

Oh yes and we were in the market for one of them thanks to MON
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 21, 2015, 09:44:30 AM
The manager is coming in for a bit of criticism from some but how many of the squad does he have available to select from. I think he would love to have another strong defensive midfield player to select from, as well as an experienced mobile forward, another central defender and a couple of fullbacks. As he hasn't, he is nursing the team along.

The only options I can see is switching to a Gestede led attack (not been successful to date) with no supply or bringing in Grealish or Gill. I would love to see him bring Traore in but that is a huge gamble based on his inexperience.

I do not see a stand out alternative to the minor changes he is making. I thought going to a midfield four was a good move as it gave us an extra body in there, even though I don't rate Westwood.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 21, 2015, 09:59:07 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 21, 2015, 01:45:48 AM
Andy Carroll scored 17 goals when Newcastle pissed the division. Less than Rudy got last season for mid-table Blackburn. Rudy is considered one of our worst players yet did more in that division than Newcastle's best player. We'll smash that division.

Agreed if we can keep much of the squad. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on December 21, 2015, 10:20:33 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 21, 2015, 09:59:07 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 21, 2015, 01:45:48 AM
Andy Carroll scored 17 goals when Newcastle pissed the division. Less than Rudy got last season for mid-table Blackburn. Rudy is considered one of our worst players yet did more in that division than Newcastle's best player. We'll smash that division.

Agreed if we can keep much of the squad. 
I bet most of them will have release clauses.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on December 21, 2015, 10:30:11 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on December 21, 2015, 09:44:30 AM
The manager is coming in for a bit of criticism from some but how many of the squad does he have available to select from. I think he would love to have another strong defensive midfield player to select from, as well as an experienced mobile forward, another central defender and a couple of fullbacks. As he hasn't, he is nursing the team along.

The only options I can see is switching to a Gestede led attack (not been successful to date) with no supply or bringing in Grealish or Gill. I would love to see him bring Traore in but that is a huge gamble based on his inexperience.

I do not see a stand out alternative to the minor changes he is making. I thought going to a midfield four was a good move as it gave us an extra body in there, even though I don't rate Westwood.
That's what a few years of under investment leaves us, very thin on cover for the first team.
We have lost some good midfielders over the last few years, but have always been able to replace with equally good quality (Barry, Milner, Petrov, Delph) until now.
He played 4 in midfield to match Newcastle, and explained post match didn't bring on Traore because of the wet conditions.
 
The thing i really like about Garde, is that we can see what he is doing, and why, and there is a thought process behind his decisions.
I like the way he is handling the players too, Grealish, Gabby, N'Zog, he is giving good assessments of them.
His hands are tied when it comes to the squad, although he did have the young midfielder Jordan Lyden on the bench against Arsenal, so he is obviously trying to use the squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 21, 2015, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 21, 2015, 12:20:49 AM
I'll probably receive criticism for this because "OMG you're writing him off after 6 games!!!!11 give him the chair!!!!!", but I'd be tempted to sack him and appoint someone who wants to have a go. The line up and subsequent non-substitutions yesterday were a disgrace, would we have made any changes had De Jong scored, I wonder?

A bit negative, so I want to point out that I like Garde and have faith in him long term, but I'm just so pissed off that we seem to be accepting relegation. Why can't we start throwing some punches? We might end up getting knocked out, but it's worth losing on points with a bit of pride.

Maybe I'm overreacting a bit. Like I said, I like the guy, but drawing games isn't gonna keep us up :(

He has to build a base of confidence that will survive losing a couple of games. He may not have enough time to save us, but it's the only way we can potentially win enough games to stay up. Sacking him would be the worst possible decision they could make.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on December 21, 2015, 10:45:48 AM
If he's going to play Gestede, we need a combination of long balls and crosses, all game long. Put Gueye and Veretout in the middle, with two of Gil/Grealish/N'Zogbia/Sinclair out wide, and then just pump the ball into the box. It wouldn't be pretty, but would give us a better chance of actually scoring some goals. Starting with a midfield three with the likes of Westwood is utterly pointless.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on December 21, 2015, 11:38:53 AM
Quote from: Risso on December 21, 2015, 10:45:48 AM
If he's going to play Gestede, we need a combination of long balls and crosses, all game long. Put Gueye and Veretout in the middle, with two of Gil/Grealish/N'Zogbia/Sinclair out wide, and then just pump the ball into the box. It wouldn't be pretty, but would give us a better chance of actually scoring some goals. Starting with a midfield three with the likes of Westwood is utterly pointless.

This is why we'd have had more chance staying up with Big Sam or similar. He'd have had Gestede as the first name on his team sheet, played direct and got a couple of attacking midfielders feeding off him. Wouldn't have been pretty to watch, but neither is relegation. I am also a fan of Garde, although I don't think the timing of appointing him was right. What we have to do now is of course stick with him and hope he can bring us back up next season with his more measured, thoughtful approach.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 21, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2015, 12:30:45 AM
How can you faith in someone long term that you want fired today? You have to laugh.

Totally misunderstood my post. Not surprised coming from you ::)

Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 21, 2015, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 21, 2015, 12:20:49 AM
I'll probably receive criticism for this because "OMG you're writing him off after 6 games!!!!11 give him the chair!!!!!", but I'd be tempted to sack him and appoint someone who wants to have a go. The line up and subsequent non-substitutions yesterday were a disgrace, would we have made any changes had De Jong scored, I wonder?

A bit negative, so I want to point out that I like Garde and have faith in him long term, but I'm just so pissed off that we seem to be accepting relegation. Why can't we start throwing some punches? We might end up getting knocked out, but it's worth losing on points with a bit of pride.

Maybe I'm overreacting a bit. Like I said, I like the guy, but drawing games isn't gonna keep us up :(

He has to build a base of confidence that will survive losing a couple of games. He may not have enough time to save us, but it's the only way we can potentially win enough games to stay up. Sacking him would be the worst possible decision they could make.

I get the whole confidence thing, but if we can't have a go at a shit team like Newcastle, who can we have a go at?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on December 21, 2015, 02:45:00 PM
I understand too that you have to stop the rot and build confidence.

But, I'd much rather us have a go, in the form of trying something different, rather than fading away as will be inevitable with the odd surprise result from time to time) which suggests hope.

He's got to grasp the nettle and change the tactics and style of play, then build confidence that a new approach that will yield results in time.

 Playing the same way with the same crap players will yield the same crap results with or without confidence.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: joe_c on December 21, 2015, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on December 21, 2015, 07:48:48 AM
PWS I hope your right but every other team will be after our scalp.

I'm sure the same was the case with Newcastle. They lost four games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on December 21, 2015, 04:44:52 PM
I think it's impossible to say how we'll do in the Championship next season.  We could indeed stroll to promotion, but there's just as much chance we could be mid-table nobodies, or even suffer a second straight relegation.  I just have no confidence in Lerner at all, and since Tom Fox was hired, the bad decisions seem to have increased, not decreased, and I fear that the fall in income, and general malaise around the place would just get worse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: glasses on December 21, 2015, 04:49:32 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 21, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2015, 12:30:45 AM
How can you faith in someone long term that you want fired today? You have to laugh.

Totally misunderstood my post. Not surprised coming from you ::)

Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 21, 2015, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 21, 2015, 12:20:49 AM
I'll probably receive criticism for this because "OMG you're writing him off after 6 games!!!!11 give him the chair!!!!!", but I'd be tempted to sack him and appoint someone who wants to have a go. The line up and subsequent non-substitutions yesterday were a disgrace, would we have made any changes had De Jong scored, I wonder?

A bit negative, so I want to point out that I like Garde and have faith in him long term, but I'm just so pissed off that we seem to be accepting relegation. Why can't we start throwing some punches? We might end up getting knocked out, but it's worth losing on points with a bit of pride.

Maybe I'm overreacting a bit. Like I said, I like the guy, but drawing games isn't gonna keep us up :(

He has to build a base of confidence that will survive losing a couple of games. He may not have enough time to save us, but it's the only way we can potentially win enough games to stay up. Sacking him would be the worst possible decision they could make.

I get the whole confidence thing, but if we can't have a go at a shit team like Newcastle, who can we have a go at?
I found myself saying similar things in the first half, but then once we went for them in the second, it was clear Garde actually had a game plan, that was one shitly defended set piece from paying off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on December 21, 2015, 04:52:02 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 21, 2015, 04:44:52 PM
I think it's impossible to say how we'll do in the Championship next season.  We could indeed stroll to promotion, but there's just as much chance we could be mid-table nobodies, or even suffer a second straight relegation

There isn't "just as much chance" of us getting relegated again as getting promoted.

I'm pretty certain that next season's odds will back that up pretty convincingly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 21, 2015, 05:22:12 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 21, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2015, 12:30:45 AM
How can you faith in someone long term that you want fired today? You have to laugh.

Totally misunderstood my post. Not surprised coming from you ::)

Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 21, 2015, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 21, 2015, 12:20:49 AM
I'll probably receive criticism for this because "OMG you're writing him off after 6 games!!!!11 give him the chair!!!!!", but I'd be tempted to sack him and appoint someone who wants to have a go. The line up and subsequent non-substitutions yesterday were a disgrace, would we have made any changes had De Jong scored, I wonder?

A bit negative, so I want to point out that I like Garde and have faith in him long term, but I'm just so pissed off that we seem to be accepting relegation. Why can't we start throwing some punches? We might end up getting knocked out, but it's worth losing on points with a bit of pride.

Maybe I'm overreacting a bit. Like I said, I like the guy, but drawing games isn't gonna keep us up :(

He has to build a base of confidence that will survive losing a couple of games. He may not have enough time to save us, but it's the only way we can potentially win enough games to stay up. Sacking him would be the worst possible decision they could make.

I get the whole confidence thing, but if we can't have a go at a shit team like Newcastle, who can we have a go at?

Well I'm another one that can't reconcile those 2 statements.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 21, 2015, 05:26:15 PM
Remi Garde is a cool customer. We better get used to it. Lord Cardigan cavalry charging the cannons is not his style.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2015, 05:32:39 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 21, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2015, 12:30:45 AM
How can you faith in someone long term that you want fired today? You have to laugh.

Totally misunderstood my post. Not surprised coming from you ::)


Now have I misunderstood anything? You said these two things in the same post:

Quote
I'd be tempted to sack him

Quote
I like Garde and have faith in him long term

All I asked is how you can possibly have both?



Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 21, 2015, 05:34:42 PM
Quote from: Risso on December 21, 2015, 04:44:52 PM
I think it's impossible to say how we'll do in the Championship next season.  We could indeed stroll to promotion, but there's just as much chance we could be mid-table nobodies, or even suffer a second straight relegation.  I just have no confidence in Lerner at all, and since Tom Fox was hired, the bad decisions seem to have increased, not decreased, and I fear that the fall in income, and general malaise around the place would just get worse.
We have no idea if there are relegation clauses in the players contracts and if they exist, what they say in terms of terms,wages or release values.Which players will want to stay and who we will be left with and that is before we know how much cash Lerner will release to fund purchases.
So I agree, we have no idea what are chances are in the Championship.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on December 21, 2015, 05:38:07 PM
Clumsily worded maybe, but the sentiment seems clear enough to me.  I assume he means he's the right man at the wrong time. 

In other words, he's the type of manager who could build something in the long term, but we may have to accept relegation in the meantime. 

As opposed to the other option of a Pullis type manager who we assume would be better at avoiding relegation but isn't going to build an attractive, competitive team for the future in the process.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 21, 2015, 05:39:46 PM
I would back our Reserves to get promoted out of the Championship. If Rudy Gestede can get 13 goals in a season, Libor would get twice that number.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on December 21, 2015, 05:43:46 PM
I guarantee if we drop, we will be favourites to top that league next season,
 unless Chelsea go with us obviously
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on December 21, 2015, 05:45:52 PM
Why we would be favourites when there are likely to be two better teams also relegated?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2015, 05:46:24 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on December 21, 2015, 05:38:07 PM
Clumsily worded maybe, but the sentiment seems clear enough to me.  I assume he means he's the right man at the wrong time. 

In other words, he's the type of manager who could build something in the long term, but we may have to accept relegation in the meantime. 

As opposed to the other option of a Pullis type manager who we assume would be better at avoiding relegation but isn't going to build an attractive, competitive team for the future in the process.

So if you faith in him let him do his job, even if it includes relegation. We need to stop trying the quick fix approach and change the club root and branch in numerous areas. I think that's what Fox was saying recently and it is what Garde needs to be allowed to do.

Garde might not keep us up, but I would rather he was in charge taking a structured long term approach than have someone keep us up only to keep struggling year after year. I'm tired of this and I dare say the employees of the club are as are the players. It shows in some of them and they need to be moved on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on December 21, 2015, 05:48:33 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 21, 2015, 05:22:12 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 21, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2015, 12:30:45 AM
How can you faith in someone long term that you want fired today? You have to laugh.

Totally misunderstood my post. Not surprised coming from you ::)

Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 21, 2015, 10:41:56 AM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 21, 2015, 12:20:49 AM
I'll probably receive criticism for this because "OMG you're writing him off after 6 games!!!!11 give him the chair!!!!!", but I'd be tempted to sack him and appoint someone who wants to have a go. The line up and subsequent non-substitutions yesterday were a disgrace, would we have made any changes had De Jong scored, I wonder?

A bit negative, so I want to point out that I like Garde and have faith in him long term, but I'm just so pissed off that we seem to be accepting relegation. Why can't we start throwing some punches? We might end up getting knocked out, but it's worth losing on points with a bit of pride.

Maybe I'm overreacting a bit. Like I said, I like the guy, but drawing games isn't gonna keep us up :(

He has to build a base of confidence that will survive losing a couple of games. He may not have enough time to save us, but it's the only way we can potentially win enough games to stay up. Sacking him would be the worst possible decision they could make.

I get the whole confidence thing, but if we can't have a go at a shit team like Newcastle, who can we have a go at?

Well I'm another one that can't reconcile those 2 statements.

Tim Sherwood always seemed happy to "have a go".

I wonder what he's up to?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on December 21, 2015, 05:55:45 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2015, 05:46:24 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on December 21, 2015, 05:38:07 PM
Clumsily worded maybe, but the sentiment seems clear enough to me.  I assume he means he's the right man at the wrong time. 

In other words, he's the type of manager who could build something in the long term, but we may have to accept relegation in the meantime. 

As opposed to the other option of a Pullis type manager who we assume would be better at avoiding relegation but isn't going to build an attractive, competitive team for the future in the process.

So if you faith in him let him do his job, even if it includes relegation. We need to stop trying the quick fix approach and change the club root and branch in numerous areas. I think that's what Fox was saying recently and it is what Garde needs to be allowed to do.

Garde might not keep us up, but I would rather he was in charge taking a structured long term approach than have someone keep us up only to keep struggling year after year. I'm tired of this and I dare say the employees of the club are as are the players. It shows in some of them and they need to be moved on.

I was only trying to interpret another poster's comments - rather than express an opinion.

Having said that I genuinely think we're/Garde is missing a trick.  Essentially we don't have the players for type of game he's trying to play.   Teams like Watford and Bournemouth are showing what's possible with players who are somewhat limited, but the style of play is adapted to their strengths, ie sit back and then counter with pace and physicality - something I think Ayew, Traore, Gestede and even Gabby and Kozak could do.

It doesn't have to be that continuity and structure = relegation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 21, 2015, 05:56:52 PM
There's only 2 BoskoDjembaSalifous-
Only 2
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on December 21, 2015, 06:01:03 PM
Oh well, have it your way then - sit back and watch us sleep walk out of the division
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on December 21, 2015, 06:12:57 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 21, 2015, 05:39:46 PM
I would back our Reserves to get promoted out of the Championship. If Rudy Gestede can get 13 goals in a season, Libor would get twice that number.

22 he got for Blackburn last season in total.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 22, 2015, 01:36:46 PM
Remi is optimistic if he reckons we're going to get Gabby and N'Zogbia out the door in Jan, but I'm glad he's identified those who are just a drain on resources and the squad as a whole.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 22, 2015, 01:43:49 PM
Sorry Dave I stand corrected. I read the number 13 somewhere, possibly his number of headed goals.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on December 22, 2015, 02:09:26 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 22, 2015, 01:43:49 PM
Sorry Dave I stand corrected. I read the number 13 somewhere, possibly his number of headed goals.

That sounds pretty likely.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: avfcpg on December 22, 2015, 02:19:36 PM
On the plus side Sherwood got us 4 points from 33 possible which is a 12% return.
Remi has got us 3 from a possible 18 which is a 17% return. Therefore we are improving..and I'm clutching.
I'd already told my mates last week that the next game we lose will be Stoke away on Feb 27th....so we are all good on that as well....:-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 22, 2015, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on December 21, 2015, 05:45:52 PM
Why we would be favourites when there are likely to be two better teams also relegated?
All depends on how we deal with it and how prepared we are financially, technically, fitness level and most important mentally.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 22, 2015, 03:24:15 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on December 22, 2015, 02:19:36 PM
On the plus side Sherwood got us 4 points from 33 possible which is a 12% return.
Remi has got us 3 from a possible 18 which is a 17% return. Therefore we are improving..and I'm clutching.
I'd already told my mates last week that the next game we lose will be Stoke away on Feb 27th....so we are all good on that as well....:-)


Also in those 6 games Remi has been in charge for we've played Citeh, Arsenal, Everton, Southampton. They are not easy games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: avfcpg on December 22, 2015, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 22, 2015, 03:24:15 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on December 22, 2015, 02:19:36 PM
On the plus side Sherwood got us 4 points from 33 possible which is a 12% return.
Remi has got us 3 from a possible 18 which is a 17% return. Therefore we are improving..and I'm clutching.
I'd already told my mates last week that the next game we lose will be Stoke away on Feb 27th....so we are all good on that as well....:-)


Also in those 6 games Remi has been in charge for we've played Citeh, Arsenal, Everton, Southampton. They are not easy games.

Indeed...plus Watford are flying and Barcodes just turned over Liverpool and Spurs...hope springs eternal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on December 22, 2015, 03:29:00 PM
Remi says we need 10 more wins but doesn't appear to be taking draws into his points tallying. What's the lowest number of wins we've survived with - 9 under McLeiah?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2015, 05:32:39 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 21, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2015, 12:30:45 AM
How can you faith in someone long term that you want fired today? You have to laugh.

Totally misunderstood my post. Not surprised coming from you ::)


Now have I misunderstood anything? You said these two things in the same post:

Quote
I'd be tempted to sack him

Quote
I like Garde and have faith in him long term

All I asked is how you can possibly have both?

I said I'd be tempted to sack him and appoint someone who wants to have a go i.e. win football matches. This is because Garde seems happy to draw games. Later on in my post, I said I like Garde and I have faith in him long term. Do you need me to explain what I meant by long term? Probably, so I will. NEXT SEASON, THE SEASON AFTER THAT, THE ONE AFTER THAT ONE etc. Satisfied? Or are you gonna twist my words again?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 22, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
How can you have faith in someone you're tempted to sack?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 22, 2015, 03:59:23 PM
Are you tempted a lot or a little bit or somewhere in between?  When I say I like Remi Garde, it means just that. No ifs no buts. I can accept there are those who want to sack him after six weeks but I genuinely can't understand a mind set that has built in compromise. As the old saying goes, you can't be a bit pregnant. You either are or are not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 22, 2015, 04:16:33 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 22, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
How can you have faith in someone you're tempted to sack?

Now I've got it.

Sack him now and bring him back in the summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on December 22, 2015, 04:19:26 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 22, 2015, 04:16:33 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 22, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
How can you have faith in someone you're tempted to sack?

Now I've got it.

Sack him now and bring him back in the summer.

Sack him now and then bring him straight back in to replace himself.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on December 22, 2015, 04:21:30 PM
I like Garde. He's not a tea cup thrower by the look of it, and in some moments we probably do need that, but he's certainly a strict disciplinarian. He demands a certain level and he's not afraid to tell players when they're not achieving that level. Gabby has swanned around the club for too long and expected to waltz into the starting lineup. Remi has demanded more. He's indentified others falling short.
Now I know many, myself included have wanted to see Kozak but it may well be, for whatever reason, that Remi hasn't seen enough. Effort? Quality? I don't know which.

He's taken Grealish to task, who like so many who get thrust into the limelight very early, can often suddenly believe their bollocks are bigger than they are.

Now I've not agreed with every decision Garde has made. I have however agreed with the way he's approached stamping his authority on the side. It's plain for everyone to see, except our last 3 managers, that Gabby is a rotten apple. A festering boil that either needs drastic treatment or removal. Now if Gabby reacts in the right way, we may well see him come back. IF.

We haven't won yet under Garde. The Watford game was the biggest disappointment. The other games he's had have been tougher on paper and we've perhaps come away with about what was expected, but honestly, even Watford look a side with a bit of momentum so us expecting a win may have been a little too arrogant.

I don't think we're not going out to win games. We are trying but in Remi's defence he's inherited far and away the most fuck awful backline in the league. Amavi (injured) and Richards aside (who's played out of position), every player in our defense are absolutely fucking atrocious. No ifs, no buts. Fucking dire. Piss poor. Way below the standard of this league or way past their prime. Shite. What can he do with those cards dealt to him? And a Keeper who has turned to complete bollocks too. He's also inherited an awful choice of strikers.

This season is all but gone but I'm happy to see him try and build something with his own signings whilst trying to intergrate our youngsters, which could actually be easier in the Championship.
He won't settle for anything less than 100% though. I'm pleased with that. Under previous managers certain players got away with murder. I want to see the right reactions from players like Grealish. I want them to follow what Veretout and Ayew have done as an example.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 22, 2015, 04:29:28 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 22, 2015, 04:16:33 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 22, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
How can you have faith in someone you're tempted to sack?

Now I've got it.

Sack him now and bring him back in the summer.

No, no, I think I've got it. I think it's a bit like the old witches dunking test - if he floats then sack him, if he drowns then keep him long term.

I'm almost convinced I haven't twisted the OP's words there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 06:39:56 PM
*sigh*

Grow up please.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on December 22, 2015, 06:43:50 PM
Write something sensible then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on December 22, 2015, 06:48:41 PM
Not suprised to hear this.  What on earth were Sherwood and Wilkins playing at in the Summer?

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10107638/aston-villa-fitness-levels-needed-to-be-improved-says-remi-garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on December 22, 2015, 06:52:37 PM
Fox remarked on Garde's view of the players fitness briefly in the meeting we had as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 22, 2015, 07:15:47 PM
Quote from: LTA on December 22, 2015, 06:48:41 PM
Not suprised to hear this.  What on earth were Sherwood and Wilkins playing at in the Summer?

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10107638/aston-villa-fitness-levels-needed-to-be-improved-says-remi-garde

that is a worry

we play sideways and at probably the slowest pace in the league and they are still fucked
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on December 22, 2015, 07:23:33 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 22, 2015, 04:16:33 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 22, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
How can you have faith in someone you're tempted to sack?

Now I've got it.

Sack him now and bring him back in the summer.
Quote from: Clampy on December 22, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
How can you have faith in someone you're tempted to sack?

quite a few people wanted Pulis to come in because they believed he could keep us up in the short term,
 but had no faith in him for the long term

maybe that's the sort of thing he meant just the other way round
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 22, 2015, 07:25:49 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 22, 2015, 07:15:47 PM
Quote from: LTA on December 22, 2015, 06:48:41 PM
Not suprised to hear this.  What on earth were Sherwood and Wilkins playing at in the Summer?

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10107638/aston-villa-fitness-levels-needed-to-be-improved-says-remi-garde

that is a worry

we play sideways and at probably the slowest pace in the league and they are still fucked

Moulded in the image of one of its creators?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 22, 2015, 07:30:46 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 06:39:56 PM
*sigh*

Grow up please.

I could do with being a bit taller.

According to my BMI I'm 3cm too short.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on December 22, 2015, 08:12:52 PM
Fitness has been a problem since O Neill left and even Houllier thought he'd inherited a group of hopeless wheezing lardasses, but to be fair we always had good stamina under O Neill (to a point) before he inevitably ground the first 14 players he always used by March.

Any club that lets Gabby get away with the shape he's in, has problems.

I also think we've had issues with our medical team given our injury record in the last 5 years. That has to change too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 22, 2015, 08:22:55 PM
It is something that has struck me this season with every visiting team (apart from Sunderland, can't comment, missed that. Cricket). Every man jack of them has looked like an athlete, whereas our lot look like, well, footballers. Sterling being the epitome, but even Swansea looked fookin enormous.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 22, 2015, 08:31:15 PM
I do think the last couple of games though we are starring to looking fitter.  Look at Veretout and Ayer at the end of the last 2 still running their backsides off. I think they look a bit fitter. Last time we had Duvernr around the side looked very fit come April time. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 08:47:57 PM
Seeing as what I said was so controversial, am I right to assume you guys are happy with Garde "drawing" our way to relegation? All I want from us is to show some fight, one substitution away at a shit Newcastle team is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 22, 2015, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 08:47:57 PM
Seeing as what I said was so controversial, am I right to assume you guys are happy with Garde "drawing" our way to relegation? All I want from us is to show some fight, one substitution away at a shit Newcastle team is ridiculous.

No, what you said was confusing. But for your peace of mind, I thought that going away to a team several points better than us who'd just won two n the bounce was just about right.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 22, 2015, 09:12:43 PM
Quote from: LTA on December 22, 2015, 06:48:41 PM
Not suprised to hear this.  What on earth were Sherwood and Wilkins playing at in the Summer?
Wilkins sat in the canteen at BMH eating pies while Sherwood chased the girls in the office back at VP. That's what they like doing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 22, 2015, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on December 22, 2015, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 08:47:57 PM
Seeing as what I said was so controversial, am I right to assume you guys are happy with Garde "drawing" our way to relegation? All I want from us is to show some fight, one substitution away at a shit Newcastle team is ridiculous.

No, what you said was confusing. But for your peace of mind, I thought that going away to a team several points better than us who'd just won two n the bounce was just about right.

I agree. We needed to win obviously but that second half performance was full of fight and encouragement. If we keep playing like that then the wins will come.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 22, 2015, 09:14:28 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 08:47:57 PM
Seeing as what I said was so controversial, am I right to assume you guys are happy with Garde "drawing" our way to relegation? All I want from us is to show some fight, one substitution away at a shit Newcastle team is ridiculous.
Yes we are all delighted at the prospect of 21 more draws and second division football next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 22, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 08:47:57 PM
Seeing as what I said was so controversial, am I right to assume you guys are happy with Garde "drawing" our way to relegation? All I want from us is to show some fight, one substitution away at a shit Newcastle team is ridiculous.

What you said wasn't controversial, it was senseless and without meaning, which is why some people took the piss a bit, pisstaking being the one thing that we're consistently good at on here.

Surely breaking the cycle of getting our arses handed to us every week must be the first step towards any kind of recovery.

For what it's worth, can you imagine the mood if he'd "really gone for it" in the last 10-15 minutes and we'd lost, losing being what we've become world renowned for lately?

I'm assuming going for it would have meant bringing Traoré onto a pitch that was in way conducive to someone dribbling and running with the ball the way he does?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 22, 2015, 09:31:25 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 08:47:57 PM
Seeing as what I said was so controversial, am I right to assume you guys are happy with Garde "drawing" our way to relegation? All I want from us is to show some fight, one substitution away at a shit Newcastle team is ridiculous.

Having worked hard to get back into the game, he probably did not want to risk throwing the hard work away (and confidence) by going more on attack as happened at Leicester.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 22, 2015, 09:48:30 PM
I said this somewhere else, but I really think we will end the season strongly but we will just run out of games. We'll be relegated but Garde will have put his stamp on things. We will feel like the new season, albeit in the Championship, cannot start quickly enough because we will be playing some good football. Everyone will be hoping we can hang on to all of the players that started to show the form that we had hoped to see from them all season. We will maintain our vitriol at Sherwood for being a fucking dick and not having faith in them from the start, not persevering and chopping and changing every few minutes. Oh and for Leicester, the fucking idiot.

This is why we need to hang on to Garde. Because as much as he isn't getting the results now, he will. And he'll root out the shit that has held us back all these years. The Gabby's and N'Zogbia's of the world. He'll get his two new coaches and we will go from strength to strength and come straight back up stronger than we have been in many a year. Relegation though absolutely shit will be a cleansing and we can return to the PL leaner and stronger. Many of the kids will have come through and we will have players who actually want to be at the club. We will come back a better Aston Villa than the shambles we have seen the past few years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: The Left Side on December 22, 2015, 09:52:56 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 22, 2015, 09:48:30 PM
I said this somewhere else, but I really think we will end the season strongly but we will just run out of games. We'll be relegated but Garde will have out his stamp on things. We will feel like the new season, albeit in the Championship, cannot start quickly enough because we will be playing some good football. Everyone will be hoping we can hang on to all of the players that started to show the form that we had hoped to see from them all season. We will maintain our vitriol at Sherwood for being a fucking dick and not having faith in them from the start, not persevering and chopping and changing every few minutes. Oh and for Leicester, the fucking idiot.

This is why we need to hang on to Garde. Because as much as he isn't getting the results now, he will. And he'll root out the shit that has held us back all these years. The Gabby's and N'Zogbia's of the world. He'll get his two new coaches and we will go from strength to strength and come straight back up stronger than we have been in many a year. Relegation though absolutely shit will be a cleansing and we can return to the PL leaner and stronger. Many of the kids will have come through and we will have players who actually want to be at the club. We will come back a better Aston Villa than the shambles we have seen the past few years.

Well said Toronto
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on December 22, 2015, 10:01:05 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 22, 2015, 09:48:30 PM
I said this somewhere else, but I really think we will end the season strongly but we will just run out of games. We'll be relegated but Garde will have out his stamp on things. We will feel like the new season, albeit in the Championship, cannot start quickly enough because we will be playing some good football. Everyone will be hoping we can hang on to all of the players that started to show the form that we had hoped to see from them all season. We will maintain our vitriol at Sherwood for being a fucking dick and not having faith in them from the start, not persevering and chopping and changing every few minutes. Oh and for Leicester, the fucking idiot.

This is why we need to hang on to Garde. Because as much as he isn't getting the results now, he will. And he'll root out the shit that has held us back all these years. The Gabby's and N'Zogbia's of the world. He'll get his two new coaches and we will go from strength to strength and come straight back up stronger than we have been in many a year. Relegation though absolutely shit will be a cleansing and we can return to the PL leaner and stronger. Many of the kids will have come through and we will have players who actually want to be at the club. We will come back a better Aston Villa than the shambles we have seen the past few years.

Agree with a lot of that.  Obviously I would rather us do that without going down, but a successful campaign in the Championship might be just what is required to install some confidence in the players (of course we run the risk of it not working out like that though).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 10:52:17 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 22, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 08:47:57 PM
Seeing as what I said was so controversial, am I right to assume you guys are happy with Garde "drawing" our way to relegation? All I want from us is to show some fight, one substitution away at a shit Newcastle team is ridiculous.

What you said wasn't controversial, it was senseless and without meaning, which is why some people took the piss a bit, pisstaking being the one thing that we're consistently good at on here.

Surely breaking the cycle of getting our arses handed to us every week must be the first step towards any kind of recovery.

For what it's worth, can you imagine the mood if he'd "really gone for it" in the last 10-15 minutes and we'd lost, losing being what we've become world renowned for lately?

I'm assuming going for it would have meant bringing Traoré onto a pitch that was in way conducive to someone dribbling and running with the ball the way he does?

Not really. Its a bit of a boys club on here with some big egos and I'm fine with that, but it's happened multiple times now. Maybe I shouldn't take it so personally.

We broke the cycle against Man City, lost our next two. Broke the cycle against Southampton, lost our next game. We need to start winning before it's too late!

Can you imagine the mood if De Jong and/or Wijnaldum converted those easy chances?

I wouldn't have brought Adama on. Gil in the #10 position was (and always is) my preference.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on December 22, 2015, 11:00:26 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 10:52:17 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 22, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 08:47:57 PM
Seeing as what I said was so controversial, am I right to assume you guys are happy with Garde "drawing" our way to relegation? All I want from us is to show some fight, one substitution away at a shit Newcastle team is ridiculous.

What you said wasn't controversial, it was senseless and without meaning, which is why some people took the piss a bit, pisstaking being the one thing that we're consistently good at on here.

Surely breaking the cycle of getting our arses handed to us every week must be the first step towards any kind of recovery.

For what it's worth, can you imagine the mood if he'd "really gone for it" in the last 10-15 minutes and we'd lost, losing being what we've become world renowned for lately?

I'm assuming going for it would have meant bringing Traoré onto a pitch that was in way conducive to someone dribbling and running with the ball the way he does?

Not really. Its a bit of a boys club on here with some big egos and I'm fine with that, but it's happened multiple times now. Maybe I shouldn't take it so personally.

We broke the cycle against Man City, lost our next two. Broke the cycle against Southampton, lost our next game. We need to start winning before it's too late!

Can you imagine the mood if De Jong and/or Wijnaldum converted those easy chances?

I wouldn't have brought Adama on. Gil in the #10 position was (and always is) my preference.
I don't think we're not going out their not trying to win. Granted people bring up the De Jong miss but it's not like we didn't create chances in the second half. It wouldn't have entirely been deserved but we could have won the game. Rudy had a couple of half decent chances.

I agree though, we do need to build on the draw. Win at West Ham (and we will try to win) and we then have two games we could conceivably win if we begin building some momentum, but of course we have to deliver on that.

I don't think there's many managers we could have got who would be doing any better or making us look any more likely of winning right now. You deal with what's at your disposal and sadly our defence is wretched and attack toothless. We could be gung ho and be getting pelted 3/4-0 every week and be absolutely ground down. Take the Arsenal result away which is an absolute non shocker, and we've picked up two decent away points. We need to build on that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 22, 2015, 11:08:20 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 10:52:17 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 22, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
Quote from: BoskoDjembaSalifou on December 22, 2015, 08:47:57 PM
Seeing as what I said was so controversial, am I right to assume you guys are happy with Garde "drawing" our way to relegation? All I want from us is to show some fight, one substitution away at a shit Newcastle team is ridiculous.

What you said wasn't controversial, it was senseless and without meaning, which is why some people took the piss a bit, pisstaking being the one thing that we're consistently good at on here.

Surely breaking the cycle of getting our arses handed to us every week must be the first step towards any kind of recovery.

For what it's worth, can you imagine the mood if he'd "really gone for it" in the last 10-15 minutes and we'd lost, losing being what we've become world renowned for lately?

I'm assuming going for it would have meant bringing Traoré onto a pitch that was in way conducive to someone dribbling and running with the ball the way he does?

Not really. Its a bit of a boys club on here with some big egos and I'm fine with that, but it's happened multiple times now. Maybe I shouldn't take it so personally.

We broke the cycle against Man City, lost our next two. Broke the cycle against Southampton, lost our next game. We need to start winning before it's too late!

Can you imagine the mood if De Jong and/or Wijnaldum converted those easy chances?

I wouldn't have brought Adama on. Gil in the #10 position was (and always is) my preference.

Over the years I've got sick and tired of idiots coming on here and as soon as anyone argues with them we're a clique, we're ganging up on them, they're not allowed to disagree and now we're a boys club of big egos. So I'm saving you the trouble of having to waste your time on here ever again and you can take that as personally as you like. Anyone who thinks the same can go as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 22, 2015, 11:34:23 PM
As one of your minions I will agree completely. I don't spend much time on here any more, but this trotted out line of cliques etc on here annoys me more than some of the twaddle. I think I have had more arguments about football on here with mods or long standing members than I have any new comers. People disagree, form a coherent argument and discuss!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 22, 2015, 11:40:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 22, 2015, 11:34:23 PM
As one of your minions I will agree completely. I don't spend much time on here any more, but this trotted out line of cliques etc on here annoys me more than some of the twaddle. I think I have had more arguments about football on here with mods or long standing members than I have any new comers. People disagree, form a coherent argument and discuss!
Oh no they don't!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 22, 2015, 11:44:51 PM
I have been to the panto with my kids today. I was amazed at how far Julian Clary was allowed to take the inuendo jokes. Funny I grant him, but looking at my 3 I was hoping to god they didn't understand.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 22, 2015, 11:45:53 PM
Oh I see fmwmu you have  returned from your shift helping local Landlords!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 23, 2015, 12:02:29 AM
I wish!
I've been family Santa today...set off at 10 this morning, driving around the West Midlands exchanging cards/gifts and just home.
Not a drop has been drunk. Promise.

Cocoa and bed for me.

Just hope Cocoa's in the mood.
:-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Somniloquism on December 23, 2015, 12:15:26 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 22, 2015, 11:44:51 PM
I have been to the panto with my kids today. I was amazed at how far Julian Clary was allowed to take the inuendo jokes. Funny I grant him, but looking at my 3 I was hoping to god they didn't understand.

I saw the posters, saw he was the "slave of the ring", and just knew how they were going to run with it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 23, 2015, 12:35:40 AM
Oh run they did.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 23, 2015, 07:20:46 AM
i cant even spell clicks
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bertlambshank on December 23, 2015, 09:45:20 AM
Ooooh a boys club....Is there a joining fee?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 23, 2015, 10:00:23 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on December 23, 2015, 09:45:20 AM
Ooooh a boys club....Is there a joining fee?

No, but if media reports of on going investigations are to be believed, apparently admission is easier if you're a Roman Catholic priest or a 70's entertainer or MP.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: stuart r on December 23, 2015, 10:28:29 AM
Quote from: supertom on December 22, 2015, 11:00:26 PM
I don't think we're not going out their not trying to win.

That means we are trying to win or we're not trying to win? Difficult one to figure out that

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: glasses on December 23, 2015, 01:01:24 PM
I don't know about a boys club, but more than one poster wouldn't just let it go and kept pushing and pushing Bosko.

He even asked people to give it a rest, but for some reason people on the internet always have to be right.

It was the sort of comment that if you were in a pub you'd dismiss it as a figure of speech, but because it's written down was dissected further than it needed to be.

I know the whole 'Clique' thing gets up Dave's nose, which is fair enough, but I think people were sticking the knife in needlessly.

Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: glasses on December 23, 2015, 01:06:40 PM
Actually, I've re-read it all again. He should have left it himself and dug his own hole.

Move on...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2015, 01:10:45 PM
Quote from: glasses on December 23, 2015, 01:01:24 PM
I don't know about a boys club, but more than one poster wouldn't just let it go and kept pushing and pushing Bosko.

He even asked people to give it a rest, but for some reason people on the internet always have to be right.

It was the sort of comment that if you were in a pub you'd dismiss it as a figure of speech, but because it's written down was dissected further than it needed to be.

I know the whole 'Clique' thing gets up Dave's nose, which is fair enough, but I think people were sticking the knife in needlessly.

Just my thoughts.

He could have also explained his comments or retracted them. His initial response to me ended "Not surprising coming from you" to my original reply, which he didn't need to say.

H&V is a pisstake factory. That's why I love it here. For the most part everyone gets along but you have to accept what comes along with being on here. There are no cliques. There are people who agree with you, those who don't take notice, and those who disagree. Much like this post, I don't expect everyone to like me, or agree with me. That's fine. But when others collectively disagree or have a bit of light hearted fun don't a twat and start throwing out suggestions of a mythical society where we target posters, because it simply isn't true.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2015, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: glasses on December 23, 2015, 01:06:40 PM
Actually, I've re-read it all again. He should have left it himself and dug his own hole.

Move on...

I just saw this after I posted. Yes agree, move on is best.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on December 23, 2015, 01:15:09 PM
I can see Bosko's point and he may well be right. Thing is if we'd have appointed an Allardyce we may not have had long-term progress but we would have maybe made a better fist of staying up. maybe. Sunderland still look doomed and the type of player Garde may be able to attract could be better than Allardyce. Again, maybe. But I really don't know who could have come in and done a better a job with the type of players that we have. Garde is fighting against a constantly losing team, players with little confidence, and one or two who aren't good enough. its the one about the silk purse and sow's ear. So, i think most are going to allow garde some time. All managers need at least one window to have a look. We still haven't got a style of play that you can hang your hat on, which most teams even at the bottom have, that is the most worrying thing for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2015, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: peter w on December 23, 2015, 01:15:09 PM
I can see Bosko's point and he may well be right. Thing is if we'd have appointed an Allardyce we may not have had long-term progress but we would have maybe made a better fist of staying up. maybe. Sunderland still look doomed and the type of player Garde may be able to attract could be better than Allardyce. Again, maybe. But I really don't know who could have come in and done a better a job with the type of players that we have. Garde is fighting against a constantly losing team, players with little confidence, and one or two who aren't good enough. its the one about the silk purse and sow's ear. So, i think most are going to allow garde some time. All managers need at least one window to have a look. We still haven't got a style of play that you can hang your hat on, which most teams even at the bottom have, that is the most worrying thing for me.

I know the first half at Newcastle wasn't good, much like Arsenal at home, but the second half in both was much more encouraging. While De Jong could have bagged a second for them, we also had numerous chances to score more than the one we did. If we had any kind of mobile forward then the chances created by Ayew alone might have been converted. It was probably the best, most fluid display under Garde yet. I'll take the positives from that.

The challenge will now be to start that way against West Ham and complete the task. There is clearly a lack of belief at the club which he is trying to change and I would rather did it his way, meticulously and with thought than the shorter term approach of a Sherwood where the methods cannot be sustained. I honestly believe that once he gets that first win, has us playing to a set style, with some players he has brought in we will be so much better off as a club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Marlon's Hairy Wood on December 23, 2015, 01:24:49 PM
I'm a big fan of Garde's personality, his calming ways and intelligence. I'm confident we'll return to the league a much stronger side, with players that we've probably only managed to sign due to his ties and reputation.

I have a friend who's friends with one of the players, doesn't get transfer info, but just mentions general stuff every now and then

apparently at half time when we were losing at Goodison, Garde just walked into the dressing and said 'boys, boys boys' shook his head and immediately left the dressing room, with Ray doing the half time team talk. Thought it was quite humorous, but gives an insight as to what he's like
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villabear on December 23, 2015, 01:53:30 PM
Quote from: Marlon's Hairy Wood on December 23, 2015, 01:24:49 PM
I'm a big fan of Garde's personality, his calming ways and intelligence. I'm confident we'll return to the league a much stronger side, with players that we've probably only managed to sign due to his ties and reputation.

I have a friend who's friends with one of the players, doesn't get transfer info, but just mentions general stuff every now and then

apparently at half time when we were losing at Goodison, Garde just walked into the dressing and said 'boys, boys boys' shook his head and immediately left the dressing room, with Ray doing the half time team talk. Thought it was quite humorous, but gives an insight as to what he's like

Are you sure he wasn't thinking of 1980's pneumatic Italian songstress Sabrina?

I am now.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 23, 2015, 02:02:34 PM
What happened to that needy bloke with the offside obsession, he was one post from using the 'clique' card it seemed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on December 23, 2015, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on December 23, 2015, 02:02:34 PM
What happened to that needy bloke with the offside obsession, he was one post from using the 'clique' card it seemed.

Too much back-chat regarding that offside Chris. Kept chipping away at the Referee who, quite rightly in the end, gave him his marching orders.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 23, 2015, 02:52:43 PM
Quote from: peter w on December 23, 2015, 01:15:09 PM
I can see Bosko's point and he may well be right. Thing is if we'd have appointed an Allardyce we may not have had long-term progress but we would have maybe made a better fist of staying up. maybe. Sunderland still look doomed and the type of player Garde may be able to attract could be better than Allardyce. Again, maybe. But I really don't know who could have come in and done a better a job with the type of players that we have. Garde is fighting against a constantly losing team, players with little confidence, and one or two who aren't good enough. its the one about the silk purse and sow's ear. So, i think most are going to allow garde some time. All managers need at least one window to have a look. We still haven't got a style of play that you can hang your hat on, which most teams even at the bottom have, that is the most worrying thing for me.
The last time we had a discernible style was under McLeish. Unfortunately that was eye gougingly awful to watch and shit for results as well.

Everything else has smacked of "just go out and give it a go" with the only noticeable differences being where we parked the back 4 and tactics being a dyslexic's favourite mint.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 23, 2015, 02:53:21 PM
Quote from: CT on December 23, 2015, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on December 23, 2015, 02:02:34 PM
What happened to that needy bloke with the offside obsession, he was one post from using the 'clique' card it seemed.

Too much back-chat regarding that offside Chris. Kept chipping away at the Referee who, quite rightly in the end, gave him his marching orders.

I felt like he was looking for that so he wouldn't be available over the Christmas period.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 23, 2015, 02:55:00 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 23, 2015, 12:02:29 AM
I wish!
I've been family Santa today...set off at 10 this morning, driving around the West Midlands exchanging cards/gifts and just home.
Not a drop has been drunk. Promise.

Cocoa and bed for me.

Just hope Cocoa's in the mood.
:-)
Haha very good!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 23, 2015, 02:56:00 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 23, 2015, 10:00:23 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on December 23, 2015, 09:45:20 AM
Ooooh a boys club....Is there a joining fee?

No, but if media reports of on going investigations are to be believed, apparently admission is easier if you're a Roman Catholic priest or a 70's entertainer or MP.
I qualify on all 3 counts😟
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: hipkiss92 on December 23, 2015, 03:01:20 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 22, 2015, 11:40:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 22, 2015, 11:34:23 PM
As one of your minions I will agree completely. I don't spend much time on here any more, but this trotted out line of cliques etc on here annoys me more than some of the twaddle. I think I have had more arguments about football on here with mods or long standing members than I have any new comers. People disagree, form a coherent argument and discuss!
Oh no they don't!
That's not arguing, that's contradiction.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Karl Bridges on December 23, 2015, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: hipkiss92 on December 23, 2015, 03:01:20 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 22, 2015, 11:40:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 22, 2015, 11:34:23 PM
As one of your minions I will agree completely. I don't spend much time on here any more, but this trotted out line of cliques etc on here annoys me more than some of the twaddle. I think I have had more arguments about football on here with mods or long standing members than I have any new comers. People disagree, form a coherent argument and discuss!
Oh no they don't!
That's not arguing, that's contradiction.

No it isn't.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: E I Adio on December 23, 2015, 04:04:44 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on December 23, 2015, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: hipkiss92 on December 23, 2015, 03:01:20 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 22, 2015, 11:40:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 22, 2015, 11:34:23 PM
As one of your minions I will agree completely. I don't spend much time on here any more, but this trotted out line of cliques etc on here annoys me more than some of the twaddle. I think I have had more arguments about football on here with mods or long standing members than I have any new comers. People disagree, form a coherent argument and discuss!
Oh no they don't!
That's not arguing, that's contradiction.

No it isn't.

Is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 23, 2015, 04:23:05 PM
Guys, guys, look at us squabbling, bickering, like children. We never used to be like this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villalion on December 23, 2015, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 23, 2015, 04:23:05 PM
Guys, guys, look at us squabbling, bickering, like children. We never used to be like this.

Yes we did
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Herman on December 23, 2015, 04:42:10 PM
Quote from: villalion on December 23, 2015, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 23, 2015, 04:23:05 PM
Guys, guys, look at us squabbling, bickering, like children. We never used to be like this.

Yes we did

He's right PWS. We've always been like this
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldtimernow on December 23, 2015, 05:27:58 PM
For newcomers to the site this is required reading....

http://www.derailingfordummies.com
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 23, 2015, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 23, 2015, 02:56:00 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 23, 2015, 10:00:23 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on December 23, 2015, 09:45:20 AM
Ooooh a boys club....Is there a joining fee?

No, but if media reports of on going investigations are to be believed, apparently admission is easier if you're a Roman Catholic priest or a 70's entertainer or MP.
I qualify on all 3 counts😟

Aftab I challenge you on the first of the three. List the miracles performed by Mother Teresa in reverse order and I will start to believe you.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 23, 2015, 06:57:44 PM
Quote from: Herman on December 23, 2015, 04:42:10 PM
Quote from: villalion on December 23, 2015, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 23, 2015, 04:23:05 PM
Guys, guys, look at us squabbling, bickering, like children. We never used to be like this.

Yes we did

He's right PWS. We've always been like this
No, we haven't!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on December 23, 2015, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 23, 2015, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 23, 2015, 02:56:00 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 23, 2015, 10:00:23 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on December 23, 2015, 09:45:20 AM
Ooooh a boys club....Is there a joining fee?

No, but if media reports of on going investigations are to be believed, apparently admission is easier if you're a Roman Catholic priest or a 70's entertainer or MP.
I qualify on all 3 counts

Aftab I challenge you on the first of the three. List the miracles performed by Mother Teresa in reverse order and I will start to believe you.

Oooh oooh, I know I know,
1. She helped impoverish people whilst people still thought she was a lovely old lady
2. She took lots of money from dubious sources and built lovely big buildings that had a beautiful facade but were rotten to the core on the inside. And people still thought she was a lovely old last
3. She cured a man of cancer (only for him to eventually died of the same illness he was cured of. Hell, that's two miracles right there).

Am I right?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on December 23, 2015, 08:28:53 PM
Quote from: Herman on December 23, 2015, 04:42:10 PM
Quote from: villalion on December 23, 2015, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 23, 2015, 04:23:05 PM
Guys, guys, look at us squabbling, bickering, like children. We never used to be like this.

Yes we did

He's right PWS. We've always been like this

Yes I know, but that's just exactly my point! Nothing ever changes, nothing ever happens to us.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 23, 2015, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: peter w on December 23, 2015, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 23, 2015, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 23, 2015, 02:56:00 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 23, 2015, 10:00:23 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on December 23, 2015, 09:45:20 AM
Ooooh a boys club....Is there a joining fee?

No, but if media reports of on going investigations are to be believed, apparently admission is easier if you're a Roman Catholic priest or a 70's entertainer or MP.
I qualify on all 3 counts

Aftab I challenge you on the first of the three. List the miracles performed by Mother Teresa in reverse order and I will start to believe you.

Oooh oooh, I know I know,
1. She helped impoverish people whilst people still thought she was a lovely old lady
2. She took lots of money from dubious sources and built lovely big buildings that had a beautiful facade but were rotten to the core on the inside. And people still thought she was a lovely old last
3. She cured a man of cancer (only for him to eventually died of the same illness he was cured of. Hell, that's two miracles right there).

Am I right?

By Jove you may be a catholic priest after all. Now name the 8 songs on St Chad's desert island discs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 24, 2015, 12:51:58 AM
Quote from: peter w on December 23, 2015, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 23, 2015, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 23, 2015, 02:56:00 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 23, 2015, 10:00:23 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on December 23, 2015, 09:45:20 AM
Ooooh a boys club....Is there a joining fee?

No, but if media reports of on going investigations are to be believed, apparently admission is easier if you're a Roman Catholic priest or a 70's entertainer or MP.
I qualify on all 3 counts

Aftab I challenge you on the first of the three. List the miracles performed by Mother Teresa in reverse order and I will start to believe you.

Oooh oooh, I know I know,
1. She helped impoverish people whilst people still thought she was a lovely old lady
2. She took lots of money from dubious sources and built lovely big buildings that had a beautiful facade but were rotten to the core on the inside. And people still thought she was a lovely old last
3. She cured a man of cancer (only for him to eventually died of the same illness he was cured of. Hell, that's two miracles right there).

Am I right?
You missed out that she was a Lap Dancer at Maximus and people paid.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 24, 2015, 08:58:51 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 24, 2015, 12:51:58 AM
Quote from: peter w on December 23, 2015, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 23, 2015, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 23, 2015, 02:56:00 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 23, 2015, 10:00:23 AM
Quote from: bertlambshank on December 23, 2015, 09:45:20 AM
Ooooh a boys club....Is there a joining fee?

No, but if media reports of on going investigations are to be believed, apparently admission is easier if you're a Roman Catholic priest or a 70's entertainer or MP.
I qualify on all 3 counts

Aftab I challenge you on the first of the three. List the miracles performed by Mother Teresa in reverse order and I will start to believe you.

Oooh oooh, I know I know,
1. She helped impoverish people whilst people still thought she was a lovely old lady
2. She took lots of money from dubious sources and built lovely big buildings that had a beautiful facade but were rotten to the core on the inside. And people still thought she was a lovely old last
3. She cured a man of cancer (only for him to eventually died of the same illness he was cured of. Hell, that's two miracles right there).

Am I right?
You missed out that she was a Lap Dancer at Maximus and people paid.
Wayne Rooney?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 24, 2015, 11:18:17 AM
OK I would like to out myself here and now. I am not now, never have been or ever likely to be a Catholic Priest.😢 Still working on the other two.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 24, 2015, 01:42:28 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 24, 2015, 11:18:17 AM
OK I would like to out myself here and now. I am not now, never have been or ever likely to be a Catholic Priest.😢 Still working on the other two.

Hate to break it to you Olaftab, but I think your window of opportunity to be an MP or entertainer from the 70s might have passed.

When they talk about the likes of Madonna reinventing herself, they're not talking about invoking the help of Doctor Who and Marty McFly😉
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 24, 2015, 02:01:14 PM
I bet he has a DeLorean car though VID.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 24, 2015, 09:00:05 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on December 24, 2015, 01:42:28 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 24, 2015, 11:18:17 AM
OK I would like to out myself here and now. I am not now, never have been or ever likely to be a Catholic Priest.😢 Still working on the other two.

Hate to break it to you Olaftab, but I think your window of opportunity to be an MP or entertainer from the 70s might have passed.

When they talk about the likes of Madonna reinventing herself, they're not talking about invoking the help of Doctor Who and Marty McFly😉
ViD don't write me off yet. I think I can still become an MP as I am very capable of cheating, lying and extortion using underhand dubious methods. I am an expert at avoiding any difficult situations where my personal credibility would be questioned and have a knack for turning up at successful events at the 11th hour and claiming credit and then walking away as quickly as possible to avoid any difficult question. I can treat common people with contempt when in the company of those I aspire to emulate and speak with total humility  when horrifically placed within the unfortunate so called ordinary people. The only thing I lack is education and sycophantic followers. Trying to get those fixed by "obtaining" a Doctorate from University of Abuja and joining TBAR where I hope to become a legend big bastard poster or even Admin.
I also have a plan to become a Rolf Harris tribute artist and perform  on my own digital channel as "Olaf Harris".
So as you can see there is a plan to back my ambition but sadly no Gull wing doors automobile  in the garage!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on December 24, 2015, 09:55:39 PM
Drive over to Walsall, same difference.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 25, 2015, 09:25:16 PM
I see Genesio has got the to job at Lyon so wrong be joining soon. Still need a couple of coaches in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 25, 2015, 10:11:43 PM
Lyon have sacked their coach and appointed Genesio until the end of the season.

http://www.espnfc.com/lyon/story/2769108/lyon-appoint-bruno-genesio-confusion-over-hubert-fournier (http://www.espnfc.com/lyon/story/2769108/lyon-appoint-bruno-genesio-confusion-over-hubert-fournier)

Edit: just seen ozzjim posted the same an hour ago.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 26, 2015, 02:28:43 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2015, 05:19:04 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on December 20, 2015, 01:32:37 PM
yes but it's a different scenario and a different league.

And SGT was of a different time - 30 years ago.

The game has changed so much since then it is barely worth comparing.

Also I don't buy this having to have knowledge of getting out of the championship.  There's a good chance Derby will come up as well as Middlesborough.  You'd hardly say their managers knew this league inside out when they joined.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on December 26, 2015, 09:24:26 AM
Sadly, there's a lot of truth in this.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/12/26/paul-merson-shares-his-strong-opinion-of-remi-garde-comments-on/
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on December 26, 2015, 09:35:25 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 26, 2015, 09:24:26 AM
Sadly, there's a lot of truth in this.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/12/26/paul-merson-shares-his-strong-opinion-of-remi-garde-comments-on/

What, in one the many adverts festooned around the piece? Because there's sweet fuck all in the bits attributed to Merson. It's two paragraphs that totally contradict each other, and the carry all the weight and insight of your general Daily Star reader.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AV82EC on December 26, 2015, 09:37:50 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 26, 2015, 09:24:26 AM
Sadly, there's a lot of truth in this.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/12/26/paul-merson-shares-his-strong-opinion-of-remi-garde-comments-on/

Is there? It's sounds like the usual load of old horseshit that Merson spouts. Do you expect to gain credibility on this site posting links to moronic arseholes like Merson spouting bollocks. If there was any substance to the article about why he'd been a failure I'm sure many of us would have been willing to debate but a) it's the Daily Star and b) it's Paul Merson neither noted for their incisive contributions to intelligent and reasoned debate.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on December 26, 2015, 09:40:46 AM
Quote from: AV82EC on December 26, 2015, 09:37:50 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 26, 2015, 09:24:26 AM
Sadly, there's a lot of truth in this.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/12/26/paul-merson-shares-his-strong-opinion-of-remi-garde-comments-on/

Is there? It's sounds like the usual load of old horseshit that Merson spouts. Do you expect to gain credibility on this site posting links to moronic arseholes like Merson spouting bollocks. If there was any substance to the article about why he'd been a failure I'm sure many of us would have been willing to debate but a) it's the Daily Star and b) it's Paul Merson neither noted for their incisive contributions to intelligent and reasoned debate.

To be fair, it does say that we play West Ham on Boxing Day.

And it's correct about how many points we have.

Maybe that's the "lot of truth" than LTA was referring to.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 26, 2015, 09:52:23 AM
Off the pitch Merson was and remains a total dick head.  The media, especially its lower Sargasso Sea regions is for ex footballers like Merson what Frinton on Sea is for the incontinent.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 26, 2015, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 26, 2015, 09:24:26 AM
Sadly, there's a lot of truth in this.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/12/26/paul-merson-shares-his-strong-opinion-of-remi-garde-comments-on/

I can see the words 'Paul Merson shares his' so won't bother reading. The guy is a moron, an inspiration to thickies the world over who wish to get into the world of television or punditry. He's the class idiot in a room full of them, takes some doing when you look at the competition.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 26, 2015, 11:35:02 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on December 26, 2015, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 26, 2015, 09:24:26 AM
Sadly, there's a lot of truth in this.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/12/26/paul-merson-shares-his-strong-opinion-of-remi-garde-comments-on/

I can see the words 'Paul Merson shares his' so won't bother reading. The guy is a moron, an inspiration to thickies the world over who wish to get into the world of television or punditry. He's the class idiot in a room full of them, takes some doing when you look at the competition.

a few years ago birmingham opened its first residential facility for those with drug and alcohol issues. we approached merson to open it, would have been half an hour, cut the ribbon, few photos etc. all was going well until he asked how much we would be paying him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 26, 2015, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 26, 2015, 11:35:02 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on December 26, 2015, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 26, 2015, 09:24:26 AM
Sadly, there's a lot of truth in this.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/12/26/paul-merson-shares-his-strong-opinion-of-remi-garde-comments-on/

I can see the words 'Paul Merson shares his' so won't bother reading. The guy is a moron, an inspiration to thickies the world over who wish to get into the world of television or punditry. He's the class idiot in a room full of them, takes some doing when you look at the competition.

a few years ago birmingham opened its first residential facility for those with drug and alcohol issues. we approached merson to open it, would have been half an hour, cut the ribbon, few photos etc. all was going well until he asked how much we would be paying him.

After all his well documented problems and the help he received you'd think he would appreciate how important such places are, he's an even bigger moron that I thought.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on December 26, 2015, 12:22:48 PM
Quote from: LTA on December 26, 2015, 09:24:26 AM
Sadly, there's a lot of truth in this.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/12/26/paul-merson-shares-his-strong-opinion-of-remi-garde-comments-on/
Sadly, it's Merson ....

... need more be said?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 26, 2015, 01:01:17 PM
Merton was a wonderful player but is an awful pundit.  Garde is mensa like compared to him or timmy.  As for experienced premier league Allardyce had taken Sunderland and Moyes wanted to stay in Spain. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: amfy on December 26, 2015, 01:05:51 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 26, 2015, 11:35:02 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on December 26, 2015, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 26, 2015, 09:24:26 AM
Sadly, there's a lot of truth in this.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/12/26/paul-merson-shares-his-strong-opinion-of-remi-garde-comments-on/

I can see the words 'Paul Merson shares his' so won't bother reading. The guy is a moron, an inspiration to thickies the world over who wish to get into the world of television or punditry. He's the class idiot in a room full of them, takes some doing when you look at the competition.

a few years ago birmingham opened its first residential facility for those with drug and alcohol issues. we approached merson to open it, would have been half an hour, cut the ribbon, few photos etc. all was going well until he asked how much we would be paying him.

I had completely the opposite experience with him when I asked him to be a patron for the young people's drug service (about 15 years ago now). He didn't hesitate to agree and spent about 3 hours with us one afternoon chatting about the different ways he could be involved.

Sadly - the organisation concerned tended to talk a good game but not actually follow up with very much, so it didn't come to anything, but he was really positive and helpful, and money was never mentioned once.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Boz on December 26, 2015, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: LeeB on December 26, 2015, 09:35:25 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 26, 2015, 09:24:26 AM
Sadly, there's a lot of truth in this.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/12/26/paul-merson-shares-his-strong-opinion-of-remi-garde-comments-on/

What, in one the many adverts festooned around the piece? Because there's sweet fuck all in the bits attributed to Merson. It's two paragraphs that totally contradict each other, and the carry all the weight and insight of your general Daily Star reader.

Spot on, just easy money for Merson to trot out all the cliched comments said by others. As far as appointing an experienced premiership manager, I'd just say to that, Allardyce.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on December 26, 2015, 02:48:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 26, 2015, 01:01:17 PM
Merton was a wonderful player but is an awful pundit.  Garde is mensa like compared to him or timmy.  As for experienced premier league Allardyce had taken Sunderland and Moyes wanted to stay in Spain. 
but what about Hislop?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on December 26, 2015, 04:18:32 PM
What a sad, sad day for all Aston Villa supporters. On 7 points on the 26th of December. We are all sick to death of this crap. Half a decade of relegation scraps. Three seasons in five of not even reaching 40 points.

We have had Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood and Garde. We have had different squads of players. We tried young and  hungry, we tried old and experienced and now young, slightly more talented but not quite as hard working. No matter what we do we still stink.

We have something rotten at the club and it has spread throughout the whole place. Blaming the manager is pointless, the problem is much, much deeper. There has been no plan, there has been shocking recruitment and there has been absolutely zero ambition. Since we lost to Fulham in December 2013 it has been clear to me that scraping to 17th is all its about anymore. This is where Randy Lerner's 'custodianship' has brought us and inevitably it is looking as though it is going to bite us on the arse this year.

He has made an absolute balls of it and it is the fans who are left suffering most while everybody else earns a good living out of the mess.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: amfy on December 26, 2015, 05:40:38 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on December 26, 2015, 04:18:32 PM


..........and now young, slightly more talented but not quite as hard working. No matter what we do we still stink.



There has definitely been a fair bit of this season where these years have looked half arsed, but I can't actually see any relevance of that comment on today's performance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on December 26, 2015, 05:45:15 PM
Garde made a balls of the Sanchez change today, took us until half time to readjust after it. Should be a lesson learned there for him.

Looks like Grealish still has work to do to get back in his plans. Gil was ok but think Grealish has more to offer if his head is right.

Garde looks to have given up on quite a few including Flabby, Insomnia and Kozak.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2015, 06:22:34 PM
How did he make a balls of it? Sanchez was playing well and it was very unfortunate to lose him when he did. Who else should he have replaced him with? What Garde could have done better is ensure the right that was getting exposed was better addressed but that was before Sanchez's injury and only got worse when Gil came on. It was a lot better in the second half.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 26, 2015, 07:16:48 PM
far far too negative today

we didnt lose today but draws are not enough

traore on again with 5 mins left whats the fucking point?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 26, 2015, 07:24:42 PM
I thought he made the logical move but Gil took ages to get into the game, which cost us.

In fairness I think he has got us playing well enough now to win subject to 3-4 good january moves
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 26, 2015, 07:25:59 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 26, 2015, 07:16:48 PM
far far too negative today

we didnt lose today but draws are not enough

traore on again with 5 mins left whats the fucking point?



But we saw, as soon as they did get him on, we lost shape and possession. Its not that simple.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 26, 2015, 07:33:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 26, 2015, 07:24:42 PM
I thought he made the logical move but Gil took ages to get into the game, which cost us.

In fairness I think he has got us playing well enough now to win subject to 3-4 good january moves

who is going to want to come? just to hit 38 points we need to win every other game or top 8 form which aint going to happen

prepare to be underwhelmed
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on December 26, 2015, 07:35:31 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2015, 06:22:34 PM
How did he make a balls of it? Sanchez was playing well and it was very unfortunate to lose him when he did. Who else should he have replaced him with? What Garde could have done better is ensure the right that was getting exposed was better addressed but that was before Sanchez's injury and only got worse when Gil came on. It was a lot better in the second half.

I'm not a critic of Garde, but we had four central midfielders in the starting lineup (Westwood, Gana, Sanchez, Veretout) and five wide midfielders on the bench (Sinclair, Richardson, Gil, Grealish, Traore). Pointed it out to my brother before the game started. I've never seen anything like it. Talk about limiting your options.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 26, 2015, 07:40:07 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 26, 2015, 07:16:48 PM
far far too negative today

we didnt lose today but draws are not enough

traore on again with 5 mins left whats the fucking point?



I don't think we were negative, we played pretty well but just couldn't get the second goal. He probably should have brought Traore on earlier than he dod though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on December 26, 2015, 08:46:03 PM
I feel sorry for him. He's got 5 months till we're down where realistically all he can do try and restrict the damage till we regroup in the summer and see exactly where he stands in terms of personnel and funds. It's not going to help his reputation one bit but there it is..Even buying players in January will look bad as they won't keep us up even if they're bought for next season
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on December 26, 2015, 08:56:00 PM
Width wasn't the issue. We slung in over 30 crosses and created three chances that Gestede should have burried.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on December 26, 2015, 08:58:15 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on December 26, 2015, 08:46:03 PM
I feel sorry for him. He's got 5 months till we're down where realistically all he can do try and restrict the damage till we regroup in the summer and see exactly where he stands in terms of personnel and funds. It's not going to help his reputation one bit but there it is..Even buying players in January will look bad as they won't keep us up even if they're bought for next season

I hope we don't throw money at ageing former Prem stars after a last pay day in January. We're down now, we need to have next season in mind, not spunk yet more money on a desperate, low probability gamble.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on December 26, 2015, 08:59:48 PM
We aren't down and I hope Garde is given the money to add some quality, as it will make a huge difference.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on December 26, 2015, 09:20:21 PM
Quote from: Ads on December 26, 2015, 08:59:48 PM
We aren't down and I hope Garde is given the money to add some quality, as it will make a huge difference.

The right sort of quality, yes. The likes of Cashley or Adebayor, no.

But we are down. Eight points and one win in half a season. We are not suddenly going to hit Champions League form and win half our games in the second half.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 26, 2015, 09:37:05 PM
Quote from: DaveD on December 26, 2015, 09:20:21 PM
Quote from: Ads on December 26, 2015, 08:59:48 PM
We aren't down and I hope Garde is given the money to add some quality, as it will make a huge difference.

The right sort of quality, yes. The likes of Cashley or Adebayor, no.

But we are down. Eight points and one win in half a season. We are not suddenly going to hit Champions League form and win half our games in the second half.

have to agree

what type of players do people think we are going to attract?

42 points from 52 games and all of a sudden we are going to win ten from twenty based on a draw with a shit newcastle side and a point against west ham who have half their team out injured. i think a few people have had too much eggnog.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 26, 2015, 09:37:22 PM
If we could put away the chances we create these days, survival would be entirely possible.  With a Gary Shaw, a Yorke, JPA or a Deano we would have got five goals today and four against Watford.  We are stuck in the cross fire of missed chances and conceding soft goals.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on December 26, 2015, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 26, 2015, 09:37:22 PM
If we could put away the chances we create these days, survival would be entirely possible.  With a Gary Shaw, a Yorke, JPA or a Deano we would have got five goals today and four against Watford.  We are stuck in the cross fire of missed chances and conceding soft goals.


yep we need a striker. A good one. Get Remy on loan. A least one end of the pitch would be sorted
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2015, 09:45:20 PM
I wonder with Chelsea doing so poorly if they would allow Remy to join a fellow relegation threatened side?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on December 26, 2015, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 26, 2015, 09:45:20 PM
I wonder with Chelsea doing so poorly if they would allow Remy to join a fellow relegation threatened side?


well i don''t think they think they will go down. I certainly don't. And i have a feeling they will bring out the big bucks in Jan. Plus if they did think they were in danger, its not going to be us they fear. Remy scoring against the teams above us would suit them
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on December 26, 2015, 10:00:39 PM
Sorry, but Garde isn't right for a relegation scrap. Way too cautious and not positive - Adama being a case in point. Pearson would've been better suited to this situation. Once again the decision makers at the club have got it wrong on the managerial front, which is par for the course; useless the lot of them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 26, 2015, 10:13:42 PM
Pearson who was in an almost identical situation last season?  We should have win today short of the timing of the injury to Sanchez and poor finishing from Gestede. We made enough chances to win the game. To lament  Garde for making us much more organised and looking like they are a united group and actually fighting the situation is just bonkers. Sure we need to win games but long term I would sooner have Garde than Pearson.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on December 26, 2015, 10:14:15 PM
A Garde-style appointment would have been ideal after GH. Our stock was still relatively high, and you could give a manager like that two to three seasons to build and really make his mark on the club. The calibre of players open to us would have been better then, too.

Ironically, a McLeish, style appointment (ie, Allardyce or Pulis) was what we needed now. What we have, we hold. Dull, unimaginative, but capable of grinding out the required 9-10 wins over the course of a season.

Back to front thinking from a backward board.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on December 26, 2015, 10:16:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 26, 2015, 10:13:42 PM
Pearson who was in an almost identical situation last season?  We should have win today short of the timing of the injury to Sanchez and poor finishing from Gestede. We made enough chances to win the game. To lament  Garde for making us much more organised and looking like they are a united group and actually fighting the situation is just bonkers. Sure we need to win games but long term I would sooner have Garde than Pearson.

Agree - plus a combustible nutter like Pearon immediately after Sherwood would be shooting ourselves in both hands - the feet long since having been blown off
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 26, 2015, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: Ads on December 26, 2015, 08:56:00 PM
Width wasn't the issue. We slung in over 30 crosses and created three chances that Gestede should have burried.

True. We look much more solid when we're narrower, more compact, telling today once we lost Sanchez, and I don't think we have a natural wide man available. Gil and Grealish lack the pace to suggest they're gonna outstrip a full-back, too much turn and look inside, and I've seen nowt from Traore to suggest he's got a cross on him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 26, 2015, 10:17:53 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on December 26, 2015, 10:16:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 26, 2015, 10:13:42 PM
Pearson who was in an almost identical situation last season?  We should have win today short of the timing of the injury to Sanchez and poor finishing from Gestede. We made enough chances to win the game. To lament  Garde for making us much more organised and looking like they are a united group and actually fighting the situation is just bonkers. Sure we need to win games but long term I would sooner have Garde than Pearson.

Agree - plus a combustible nutter like Pearon immediately after Sherwood would be shooting ourselves in both hands - the feet long since having been blown off

Was it you I said Garde was four years too late to?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on December 26, 2015, 10:18:03 PM
Well, we have to deal with the situation as it is, rather than a hypothetical one. We have had season after season of short term fixes, and here we are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: joe_c on December 26, 2015, 10:19:07 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on December 26, 2015, 04:18:32 PM
What a sad, sad day for all Aston Villa supporters. On 7 points on the 26th of December. We are all sick to death of this crap. Half a decade of relegation scraps. Three seasons in five of not even reaching 40 points.

We have had Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood and Garde. We have had different squads of players. We tried young and  hungry, we tried old and experienced and now young, slightly more talented but not quite as hard working. No matter what we do we still stink.

We have something rotten at the club and it has spread throughout the whole place. Blaming the manager is pointless, the problem is much, much deeper. There has been no plan, there has been shocking recruitment and there has been absolutely zero ambition. Since we lost to Fulham in December 2013 it has been clear to me that scraping to 17th is all its about anymore. This is where Randy Lerner's 'custodianship' has brought us and inevitably it is looking as though it is going to bite us on the arse this year.

He has made an absolute balls of it and it is the fans who are left suffering most while everybody else earns a good living out of the mess.

How pissed off were you when we equalised as soon as you pressed the submit button?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 26, 2015, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: damon loves JT on December 26, 2015, 10:18:03 PM
Well, we have to deal with the situation as it is, rather than a hypothetical one. We have had season after season of short term fixes, and here we are.

And therein lies the problem . Five years of not thinking ahead, then when we did think ahead, we didn't notice what was under our nose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: onje_villa on December 26, 2015, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: DaveD on December 26, 2015, 08:58:15 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on December 26, 2015, 08:46:03 PM
I feel sorry for him. He's got 5 months till we're down where realistically all he can do try and restrict the damage till we regroup in the summer and see exactly where he stands in terms of personnel and funds. It's not going to help his reputation one bit but there it is..Even buying players in January will look bad as they won't keep us up even if they're bought for next season

I hope we don't throw money at ageing former Prem stars after a last pay day in January. We're down now, we need to have next season in mind, not spunk yet more money on a desperate, low probability gamble.
Agreed but I don't think we'll return to that formula.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on December 26, 2015, 10:28:56 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 26, 2015, 10:17:53 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on December 26, 2015, 10:16:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 26, 2015, 10:13:42 PM
Pearson who was in an almost identical situation last season?  We should have win today short of the timing of the injury to Sanchez and poor finishing from Gestede. We made enough chances to win the game. To lament  Garde for making us much more organised and looking like they are a united group and actually fighting the situation is just bonkers. Sure we need to win games but long term I would sooner have Garde than Pearson.

Agree - plus a combustible nutter like Pearon immediately after Sherwood would be shooting ourselves in both hands - the feet long since having been blown off

Was it you I said Garde was four years too late to?

No but I would have agreed with you having said it to 2 work colleagues on Christmas Eve and my Dad and my Missus just yesterday.

We were chatting about the futility of an organised protest against Lerner's mismanagement.

Probably had a chat or two in person with you most seasons for a couple of decades.

Always a pleasure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on December 26, 2015, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 26, 2015, 10:13:42 PM
Pearson who was in an almost identical situation last season?  We should have win today short of the timing of the injury to Sanchez and poor finishing from Gestede. We made enough chances to win the game. To lament  Garde for making us much more organised and looking like they are a united group and actually fighting the situation is just bonkers. Sure we need to win games but long term I would sooner have Garde than Pearson.

What I said was Garde is the wrong choice for a relegation scrap. He'd be ok if we were mid-table.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on December 26, 2015, 10:33:51 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on December 26, 2015, 10:14:15 PM
A Garde-style appointment would have been ideal after GH. Our stock was still relatively high, and you could give a manager like that two to three seasons to build and really make his mark on the club. The calibre of players open to us would have been better then, too.

Ironically, a McLeish, style appointment (ie, Allardyce or Pulis) was what we needed now. What we have, we hold. Dull, unimaginative, but capable of grinding out the required 9-10 wins over the course of a season.

Yeah, Allardyce grinding out a 4-1 defeat to Man City or a defeat to Southampton was far better than what Garde managed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on December 26, 2015, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on December 26, 2015, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 26, 2015, 10:13:42 PM
Pearson who was in an almost identical situation last season?  We should have win today short of the timing of the injury to Sanchez and poor finishing from Gestede. We made enough chances to win the game. To lament  Garde for making us much more organised and looking like they are a united group and actually fighting the situation is just bonkers. Sure we need to win games but long term I would sooner have Garde than Pearson.

What I said was Garde is the wrong choice for a relegation scrap. He'd be ok if we were mid-table.

Don't agree, no matter who the manager is we have players in key positions that are not up to the job, this is the first manager I have had confidence in for a long time. I will be interested to see who he can bring in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on December 26, 2015, 10:45:06 PM
I think Remi is potentially the best manager we've had for years. I don't know what or who persuaded him to come but I hope he stays - whatever.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on December 26, 2015, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: berneboy on December 26, 2015, 10:45:06 PM
I think Remi is potentially the best manager we've had for years. I don't know what or who persuaded him to come but I hope he stays - whatever.

It's way too early to tell. He will get the same patience from me that all Villa managers do - ask me again in early November.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on December 26, 2015, 10:57:43 PM
The Garde appointment makes sense if the board have already accepted that we are down. Which is forward thinking of a kind.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on December 26, 2015, 11:01:23 PM
When he speaks I can hear with my own ears that he isn't thick, which is more than can be said for the previous two managers; and he's not arrogant and out of touch, which makes him a marked improvement on Houllier. I'm backing Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on December 26, 2015, 11:06:14 PM
Me too Jimbo . May as well he seems to know what's wrong and how to approach the task.

And he isn't or at least not yet a bullshit merchant.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on December 26, 2015, 11:28:54 PM
Quote from: berneboy on December 26, 2015, 10:45:06 PM
I think Remi is potentially the best manager we've had for years. I don't know what or who persuaded him to come but I hope he stays - whatever.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on December 26, 2015, 11:58:54 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 26, 2015, 10:33:51 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on December 26, 2015, 10:14:15 PM
A Garde-style appointment would have been ideal after GH. Our stock was still relatively high, and you could give a manager like that two to three seasons to build and really make his mark on the club. The calibre of players open to us would have been better then, too.

Ironically, a McLeish, style appointment (ie, Allardyce or Pulis) was what we needed now. What we have, we hold. Dull, unimaginative, but capable of grinding out the required 9-10 wins over the course of a season.

Yeah, Allardyce grinding out a 4-1 defeat to Man City or a defeat to Southampton was far better than what Garde managed.

Allardyce known for good defences yet even he can't do much quality of players he has to play in defence , same as Garde here with what he has available to play at fullback.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on December 27, 2015, 12:14:15 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on December 26, 2015, 11:58:54 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 26, 2015, 10:33:51 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on December 26, 2015, 10:14:15 PM
A Garde-style appointment would have been ideal after GH. Our stock was still relatively high, and you could give a manager like that two to three seasons to build and really make his mark on the club. The calibre of players open to us would have been better then, too.

Ironically, a McLeish, style appointment (ie, Allardyce or Pulis) was what we needed now. What we have, we hold. Dull, unimaginative, but capable of grinding out the required 9-10 wins over the course of a season.

Yeah, Allardyce grinding out a 4-1 defeat to Man City or a defeat to Southampton was far better than what Garde managed.

Allardyce known for good defences yet even he can't do much quality of players he has to play in defence , same as Garde here with what he has available to play at fullback.

Which suggests that he's not this relegation-avoiding Jesus that some have pegged him as.

His myth will survive when he relegates Sunderland, just like "it woz the transfer committee wot did it" will be the narrative when we go down.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 27, 2015, 12:24:35 AM
Quote from: amfy on December 26, 2015, 01:05:51 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 26, 2015, 11:35:02 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on December 26, 2015, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: LTA on December 26, 2015, 09:24:26 AM
Sadly, there's a lot of truth in this.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/12/26/paul-merson-shares-his-strong-opinion-of-remi-garde-comments-on/

I can see the words 'Paul Merson shares his' so won't bother reading. The guy is a moron, an inspiration to thickies the world over who wish to get into the world of television or punditry. He's the class idiot in a room full of them, takes some doing when you look at the competition.

a few years ago birmingham opened its first residential facility for those with drug and alcohol issues. we approached merson to open it, would have been half an hour, cut the ribbon, few photos etc. all was going well until he asked how much we would be paying him.

I had completely the opposite experience with him when I asked him to be a patron for the young people's drug service (about 15 years ago now). He didn't hesitate to agree and spent about 3 hours with us one afternoon chatting about the different ways he could be involved.

Sadly - the organisation concerned tended to talk a good game but not actually follow up with very much, so it didn't come to anything, but he was really positive and helpful, and money was never mentioned once.

I have heard more similar experiences to Amfy. My nephew had to spend a few months in hospital in Brum around 1999 and the Villa players occasionally made visits.  He was 10 at the time and to this day his favourite ever Villa players are Merson and Southgate because of the one on one time they gave him when he was struggling and the fact they remembered him on each visit.

My recollection from my sister is that the players volunteered for these tasks. Obviously no fees involved.

I never thought Merson was bright, and I think he is overrated in the Villa pantheon of greats, but I wouldn't diss him because he presumably doesn't rate Garde( I say presumably as I haven't clicked on the link, since I very rarely click on links).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on December 27, 2015, 12:27:16 AM
Remi talks a good game, but the fact is we are 1 win from 18 games, we've been circling the plug hole for a while so this was enevitable with our circus of a club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 27, 2015, 12:50:59 AM
Remi has made mistakes, no getting away from that. But considering the fucking mess he inherited and the desperate mental and physical state of the squad it's not like he was going to just come in and fix it. I'm sure he would have loved to have won a game or two by now but we are starting to see the plan come together a bit at a time. The fact that Gestede is his best forward option tells you everything you need to know about his options. That and Guzan in goal, Bacuna at LB , Lescott and Westwood in the middle of their parts of the pitch.

But today was a step forward albeit a small one. Win at Norwich and we will be 6 back of safety and the picture a little rosier.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on December 27, 2015, 12:52:40 AM
Quote from: damon loves JT on December 26, 2015, 10:57:43 PM
The Garde appointment makes sense if the board have already accepted that we are down. Which is forward thinking of a kind.

I agree. Garde noted that relegation was discussed in negotiations and assurances made, which suggests they were sufficiently realistic and forward thinking.

Relegation is Plan B and obviously far more unpalatable than Plan A, but at least there's a plan, which there hasn't been for some time.

Garde is smart, disciplined and pragmatic. The team is more spirited and play is much improved. I suspect it would have been difficult to manage better.

In the BBC interview, he was asked whether he felt better than a few weeks ago, given the team is playing better. His facial expression suggested he expected the improved performance and rued not picking up more points.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 27, 2015, 01:00:07 AM
Quote from: Dave on December 26, 2015, 10:33:51 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on December 26, 2015, 10:14:15 PM
A Garde-style appointment would have been ideal after GH. Our stock was still relatively high, and you could give a manager like that two to three seasons to build and really make his mark on the club. The calibre of players open to us would have been better then, too.

Ironically, a McLeish, style appointment (ie, Allardyce or Pulis) was what we needed now. What we have, we hold. Dull, unimaginative, but capable of grinding out the required 9-10 wins over the course of a season.

Yeah, Allardyce grinding out a 4-1 defeat to Man City or a defeat to Southampton was far better than what Garde managed.
By my reckoning they have vaguely similar records. We have 4 points from 7 games under Garde, and I think Allardyce has won 3 games since he joined.

Just checked, he has 3 wins from 10 so 30% of points won. Remi is on 19%. Both are relegation form.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 27, 2015, 01:44:48 AM
Basically Garde is a win off Sams record? Fingers crossed the next 2 games we play as well and get a bit of luck. Imagine we won the next 2. Confidence would rocket.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: footyskillz on December 27, 2015, 01:46:04 AM
Big Sam made six changes against man city hoping to get right balance. Was 2/3 down within firsthalf minutes of the match. Some of the defending looked hope less and seemed a real lack of desire. I think Sunderland didn't think could get anything from get go and saving themselves for tv game against Liverpool.

Garde is cautious amidst an urgency amongst points. We have to trust him and his selections. The performances at times cud do with substitution happening earlier but Garde knows his stuff so have to be patient. I think he's no fool and tactically understands. The debacle at Everton was quite something and feel he's learnt more and more. Here's hoping against weaker opposition Garde shows us his magic
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2015, 08:43:29 AM
I honestly think I'd rather get relegated with Garde than stay up with Allardyce

I have had enough of British managers stuck in the past.

What would be the point? Yet another season of clinging on, fighting relegation? Except this time with an anti football shithouse like Allardyce here for a few years?

It is just so depressing.

I'd rather stay up under Garde, of course, but the last few years we have been amongst the least loved clubs in the league, and for good reason. We need to break this cycle, and appointing Allardyce would just make it worse in the long run.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 27, 2015, 08:52:45 AM
Agree Paulie. Even a conservative Garde has got us playing decent football in parts. I just want him to get time. The only unexpectedly poor result he has had really was the loss to Watford which we didn't deserve. I felt sorry for him yesterday because he got the tactics right just not the breaks in front of goal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 27, 2015, 09:11:27 AM
Thirded, Paulie.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rigadon on December 27, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2015, 08:43:29 AM
I honestly think I'd rather get relegated with Garde than stay up with Allardyce

I have had enough of British managers stuck in the past.

What would be the point? Yet another season of clinging on, fighting relegation? Except this time with an anti football shithouse like Allardyce here for a few years?

It is just so depressing.

I'd rather stay up under Garde, of course, but the last few years we have been amongst the least loved clubs in the league, and for good reason. We need to break this cycle, and appointing Allardyce would just make it worse in the long run.

I know what you mean and I kind of agree.  But the point, as unpalatable as it would've ben to watch, would theoretically have been staying in the league and having another close season to flog to a 'better' owner.  All massive pie in the sky of course. 

The thing I most worry about is who might be suddenly be able to afford the club while we;re skulking about in division 2? 

 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on December 27, 2015, 09:41:48 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 27, 2015, 08:43:29 AM
I honestly think I'd rather get relegated with Garde than stay up with Allardyce

I have had enough of British managers stuck in the past.

What would be the point? Yet another season of clinging on, fighting relegation? Except this time with an anti football shithouse like Allardyce here for a few years?

It is just so depressing.

I'd rather stay up under Garde, of course, but the last few years we have been amongst the least loved clubs in the league, and for good reason. We need to break this cycle, and appointing Allardyce would just make it worse in the long run.

I enjoyed yesterday's game. I can think of barely a handful of games at VP that I've actively enjoyed in the last few seasons. And there are plenty of dull and unpleasant things that we have to endure between Monday and Friday, without adding to them on a Saturday afternoon. It's supposed to be entertainment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on December 27, 2015, 10:24:17 AM
I agree with Paulie too. We've already had enough fun sucked out of going to the match in recent years. Might as well try something different.

What winds me up are pundits in the press thinking on behalf of fans and telling us that staying up is all that matters. Twice recently I've heard radio pundits (including Collymore yesterday) criticise Albion fans for daring to question Pulis, telling them that he'll keep them up and that's what it's all about.

Don't get me wrong I hate the Albion but surely their fans should be able to moan about the shite they endure without being patronised by the Pulis-loving media.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 27, 2015, 10:27:21 AM
I agree Paulie I think the time has come for a bit of a long term plan and if it means we have to get relegated in the mean time then so be it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on December 27, 2015, 10:36:13 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 27, 2015, 12:50:59 AM
Remi has made mistakes, no getting away from that. But considering the fucking mess he inherited and the desperate mental and physical state of the squad it's not like he was going to just come in and fix it. I'm sure he would have loved to have won a game or two by now but we are starting to see the plan come together a bit at a time. The fact that Gestede is his best forward option tells you everything you need to know about his options. That and Guzan in goal, Bacuna at LB , Lescott and Westwood in the middle of their parts of the pitch.

But today was a step forward albeit a small one. Win at Norwich and we will be 6 back of safety and the picture a little rosier.
I would think that Garde is looking to bring in another GK and central striker - after all, Gestede missed chances yesterday that a decent striker would have buried - and in doing so not only give the team a better chance at both ends of the pitch but also raise general confidence levels within the squad.
With even just these two changes, it would enable him to be a little more expansive in team selection: not having to play 3-4 across the middle to bolster the defence and knowing that creative okay will result in goals. Who might come in? - no idea!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2015, 04:58:41 PM
I know this sounds emotional and knee jerk, but I have seen nothing at all so far in Garde to suggest he is the answer long term. We've merely shown glimpses of ability and little else. It's very, very poor. And I honestly say that reservedly because of the situation he found himself in. But some of the decisions have been terrible and had he been TSM or Sherwood he'd be getting far more criticism. We all hope that at some point it will click and maybe with a few new players it will, but at this moment I simply cannot see it.

Our continuing malaise will also make player recruitment that much more difficult, and I am thoroughly pessimistic heading into the January window.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2015, 05:02:47 PM
I shalln't be judging Garde yet, because we lost today due to terrible defensive errors. Once he has the chance to rid us of Hutton, Richardson, Clark, Gabby, Westwood, Bacuna etc then we'll see.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on December 28, 2015, 05:05:51 PM
Garde is useless - he can't motivate or pick the right team. Get rid now and bring in Moyes or Pearson.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on December 28, 2015, 05:09:16 PM
He's got to pull his finger out and do something brave now. He's got a window in order to try and start building a side with some cohesion but at what point do we have to acknowledge his record? No win in 8 games and we've never looked ever close to it. I don't care about circumstances or what you have to deal with. Any premier league manager who goes 10-15 games without a win should be getting fucked right off whilst a line of fans piss on his fucking shoes as he exits. There's no excuse.
He's getting very close to that. Lose at Sunderland and we come out of our best run of games with a piss poor 2 points and the games begin getting harder again.

How many more losses do we grace him?
We're down. No two ways about it. That's done. That's carved in fucking stone. Forget about that shit. But we still need to begin winning some games or looking like we're going for it. The excuses only last so long.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2015, 05:09:28 PM
Utter bollocks. We are gone now, and Garde has had 6 games with no opportunity to get his players in. Does anyone honestly believe he'd be playing Hutton, Richardson, Clark if he had a choice. We're going down regardless of who is in charge, so how about we give Garde a chance. He's made mistakes, but nothing to justify the sheer hopelessness of our players. We've played alright in spells under him and we've been punished by terrible individual errors.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 28, 2015, 05:10:28 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on December 28, 2015, 05:05:51 PM
Garde is useless - he can't motivate or pick the right team. Get rid now and bring in Moyes or Pearson.

I've read two posts today that have made me think of Violet from Just William. They were both by you.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on December 28, 2015, 05:10:55 PM
Beginning to think he might not be the right man.
As shit as the team is, I would have hoped he could instill some fight, passion and belief.
We look more dysfunctional than ever and that's down to him; But I also think he may be being sabotaged from within by c***s like Agbonlahor, and for some reason I think Richards is a trouble maker.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 28, 2015, 05:11:07 PM
No way will he sack Garde, not a chance. He gets this season and probably next season to in the Championship.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on December 28, 2015, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 28, 2015, 05:11:07 PM
No way will he sack Garde, not a chance. He gets this season and probably next season to in the Championship.
Conceivably though, very conceivably (sadly) he could probably go this whole season without a single win. In fact I'd put money on that being a hell of a lot more likely than Garde stringing together the 9 wins needed to even have a sniff of surviving before the season ends.

There comes a point where every manager must be accountable for their results. We are down. Totally and utterly but even so, we shouldn't be completely writing off the results. There needs to be some mark of progress leading into the next season. At VP in particular we need to start getting results and at the very least making it a hard place to play.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2015, 05:16:06 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 28, 2015, 05:11:07 PM
No way will he sack Garde, not a chance. He gets this season and probably next season to in the Championship.

Good, because he's had barely any chance yet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on December 28, 2015, 05:17:35 PM
Wouldn't suprise me if he walked before the end of the season, he looks completely lost and motionless on the touchline.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2015, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: supertom on December 28, 2015, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 28, 2015, 05:11:07 PM
No way will he sack Garde, not a chance. He gets this season and probably next season to in the Championship.
Conceivably though, very conceivably (sadly) he could probably go this whole season without a single win. In fact I'd put money on that being a hell of a lot more likely than Garde stringing together the 9 wins needed to even have a sniff of surviving before the season ends.

There comes a point where every manager must be accountable for their results. We are down. Totally and utterly but even so, we shouldn't be completely writing off the results. There needs to be some mark of progress leading into the next season. At VP in particular we need to start getting results and at the very least making it a hard place to play.

Garde needs a chance to be able to get the likes of Gabby, Hutton, Clark out of the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on December 28, 2015, 05:20:13 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on December 28, 2015, 05:10:28 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on December 28, 2015, 05:05:51 PM
Garde is useless - he can't motivate or pick the right team. Get rid now and bring in Moyes or Pearson.

I've read two posts today that have made me think of Violet from Just William. They were both by you.

I can think of a term for you....!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 28, 2015, 05:20:54 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on December 28, 2015, 05:20:13 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on December 28, 2015, 05:10:28 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on December 28, 2015, 05:05:51 PM
Garde is useless - he can't motivate or pick the right team. Get rid now and bring in Moyes or Pearson.

I've read two posts today that have made me think of Violet from Just William. They were both by you.

I can think of a term for you....!

But because you don't want to be banned, you're not going to use it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2015, 05:23:37 PM
I'm starting to wonder just what Garde brings to the table. I want to like him and hope that his ideas and methods are just buried under layers of shit players and rock-solid inbred lack of confidence, but no part of the team has been improved by him or his coaching staff. You can point to Veretout and Ayew but I suspect they were always players who would come good once they got the measure of the league. The back four, for example, look like they've literally never played the game, let alone played together. What do they do all week? What do experienced players like Lescott and Richards do to keep a back line organised? Why does Garde persist in the obvious Richards at centre half fallacy?

I don't really want to see the youth players until we're down. I don't want them tainted by this shag-sack of a team who wouldn't know commitment if they were forced to play at gunpoint. I hope, hope, hope that Garde is busy from 7am tomorrow working on his Championship squad because if he's got anything about him, we'll need to see a decent amount of aptitude going in to what will be a bastard of a league to get out of without the obvious handicap of being every minnow's top target for humiliation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 28, 2015, 05:23:42 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2015, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: supertom on December 28, 2015, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 28, 2015, 05:11:07 PM
No way will he sack Garde, not a chance. He gets this season and probably next season to in the Championship.
Conceivably though, very conceivably (sadly) he could probably go this whole season without a single win. In fact I'd put money on that being a hell of a lot more likely than Garde stringing together the 9 wins needed to even have a sniff of surviving before the season ends.

There comes a point where every manager must be accountable for their results. We are down. Totally and utterly but even so, we shouldn't be completely writing off the results. There needs to be some mark of progress leading into the next season. At VP in particular we need to start getting results and at the very least making it a hard place to play.

Garde needs a chance to be able to get the likes of Gabby, Hutton, Clark out of the club.

And you think we'll replace them with PL standard players on similar wages who aren't actually passed it yet?
The cynic in me suggests they'll be replaced with more of the rubbish we've been signing for the last 6 years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on December 28, 2015, 05:25:17 PM
I don't think garde would get the boot now in a million years. For the record I don't think he should but even if I did think he should he's lerner's best chance of giving us a load of bull about planning long term for another 2-3 years, as we nosedive through the divisions.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on December 28, 2015, 05:25:37 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 28, 2015, 05:23:42 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2015, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: supertom on December 28, 2015, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 28, 2015, 05:11:07 PM
No way will he sack Garde, not a chance. He gets this season and probably next season to in the Championship.
Conceivably though, very conceivably (sadly) he could probably go this whole season without a single win. In fact I'd put money on that being a hell of a lot more likely than Garde stringing together the 9 wins needed to even have a sniff of surviving before the season ends.

There comes a point where every manager must be accountable for their results. We are down. Totally and utterly but even so, we shouldn't be completely writing off the results. There needs to be some mark of progress leading into the next season. At VP in particular we need to start getting results and at the very least making it a hard place to play.

Garde needs a chance to be able to get the likes of Gabby, Hutton, Clark out of the club.

And you think we'll replace them with PL standard players on similar wages who aren't actually passed it yet?
The cynic in me suggests they'll be replaced with more of the rubbish we've been signing for the last 6 years.
I'm not sure we'll have too many more options than to sign over the hill, or untried lower league/foreigners this window. We're down and any half decent player wouldn't wipe their ass with a villa shirt right now. The chances of finding an elusive goalscorer are probably non-existent.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2015, 05:26:14 PM
I was very disappointed he didn't make a change at HT today. Far too early to write him off though.

What I would be doing now though if I were manager is just go for it. Can't do any worse than we have been when trying to grind out results, which I can understand him doing, but we're gone now, at least try and give us some excitement, and build some confidence back by winning a few games. I'd rather lost 4-2 going for it than insipid 2-0 defeats like today. And who knows, we may actually win a few 4-2 along the way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TonyD on December 28, 2015, 05:26:49 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on December 28, 2015, 05:17:35 PM
Wouldn't suprise me if he walked before the end of the season, he looks completely lost and motionless on the touchline.
Quite.  I don't think he will be the guy who turns this shambles around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on December 28, 2015, 05:27:34 PM
With all the talk about "player power", do you think these players are busting a gut for their new boss?

If they genuinely did give 100% we could have had half a chance. I don't think they are.

I just wish I could live 4000 miles away and not care like the owner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on December 28, 2015, 05:28:00 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on December 28, 2015, 05:20:54 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on December 28, 2015, 05:20:13 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on December 28, 2015, 05:10:28 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on December 28, 2015, 05:05:51 PM
Garde is useless - he can't motivate or pick the right team. Get rid now and bring in Moyes or Pearson.

I've read two posts today that have made me think of Violet from Just William. They were both by you.

I can think of a term for you....!

But because you don't want to be banned, you're not going to use it.

Apologies for that...bu I just despair at the state of our club
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on December 28, 2015, 05:31:39 PM
Collymore ripping Garde apart at the moment and rightly so.

Terrible manager.  No passion for the club.  Doesn't sound like he wants to be here.  No tactics.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on December 28, 2015, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: CT on December 28, 2015, 05:27:34 PM
With all the talk about "player power", do you think these players are busting a gut for their new boss?

If they genuinely did give 100% we could have had half a chance. I don't think they are.

I just wish I could live 4000 miles away and not care like the owner.
There seems little cohesion between the French/Spanish players and the British lot, suggesting divides in the ranks. I would imagine there's a Gabby/Richards camp, and a camp of the foreign imports who came in. We don't play like a team. That's from a variety of reasons but I would imagine that given Sherwoods boys have now been outwardly questionned by Garde, who has re-instated the foreign players, that some of the more established players here aren't really giving their all for Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tony scott on December 28, 2015, 05:35:04 PM
We are all really hurting at the moment,  I would have thought Ms Garde could have got us ,at the very least a win be now!  There is positive for me tonight no more desperately hoping for a win that's it, clear the decks put some youth in and rebuild again.  I have a slight concern about Ms Garde the longer we go without a.win surely
Will affect his confidence.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Taylor on December 28, 2015, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2015, 05:26:14 PM
I was very disappointed he didn't make a change at HT today. Far too early to write him off though.

What I would be doing now though if I were manager is just go for it. Can't do any worse than we have been when trying to grind out results, which I can understand him doing, but we're gone now, at least try and give us some excitement, and build some confidence back by winning a few games. I'd rather lost 4-2 going for it than insipid 2-0
defeats like today. And who knows, we may actually win a few 4-2 along the way.

Yeah. I think everyone has accepted the inevitable. Maybe, just maybe we may start playing with a bit of freedom now. I would love to know what happens in training though to prevent Troure and Grealish getting picked.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on December 28, 2015, 05:36:55 PM
The funny thing is I think he has made us better. There have been draws in matches we would've lost beforehand, and the look a lot more coherent passing the ball around. He's also got more out of Ayew and Veretout. It doesn't matter though, because we could be Barcelona in our approach play and we'd still never fucking score.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on December 28, 2015, 05:38:12 PM
Not his team, not his players and all the rest of it.

But a half decent manager would have got some sort of reaction by now.

Well he has, I suppose.  Just not the reaction we want.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 05:38:42 PM
I didn't see today's game but was just about to read the match report and I couldn't even do that as my eyes were just fixed on the teams.

What an awful team selection, as bad as anything Sherwood ever came up with for a must win game. Not good enough by a long way Remi and seems like the performance corresponded with that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 28, 2015, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: Monty on December 28, 2015, 05:36:55 PM
The funny thing is I think he has made us better. There have been draws in matches we would've lost beforehand, and the look a lot more coherent passing the ball around. He's also got more out of Ayew and Veretout. It doesn't matter though, because we could be Barcelona in our approach play and we'd still never fucking score.

I agree with this.

He hasn't improved us as much as he needs to, no, but fuck me, have people forgotten the bit of the season with Sherwood in charge? That's where the damage was done.

Today, though, i do think he should have gone for it sooner.

I didn't think for a minute we'd score right from the moment they got their first goal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2015, 05:43:08 PM
Quote from: Monty on December 28, 2015, 05:36:55 PM
The funny thing is I think he has made us better. There have been draws in matches we would've lost beforehand, and the look a lot more coherent passing the ball around. He's also got more out of Ayew and Veretout. It doesn't matter though, because we could be Barcelona in our approach play and we'd still never fucking score.

See this is it for me, for most of the games he has been in charge we have been a lot better than we were but individual mistakes kill us. That's either Hutton, Guzan, Clark etc making a hideous defensive error that results in a goal or Gestede missing an absolute sitter that should have been buried. Most of the new player's he's got playing to a good standard, it's the players who have been utter failures at Villa for a number of years that are killing us. We need to completely rebuild, but he deserves much more time than some are apparently prepared to give him. Anyone who thinks this team is a Moyes/Pearson pep talk away from stringing a load of wins together is just not thinking straight.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 28, 2015, 05:45:16 PM
Of course he's improved us, Sherwood was shit. I still don't think he's up to the job though, this season or next.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on December 28, 2015, 05:45:33 PM
He's doomed really. no matter what credit he has in the bank from the fans for taking over this shambles, he not making any visable improvement. Well that's harsh, a bit of one at times, but not enough to put any more points on the board. We're down and he'll be tainted by being on the bridge when we went down, even though the last few captain's pointed it at the icebergs and the owners didn't reinforce the hull or put enough lifeboats on to save money. He's the 2015 version of Billy McNeill showing the same bad timing coming aboard, and will suffer the same fate.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on December 28, 2015, 05:47:21 PM
I think we all got it badly wrong thinking the squad was better than it is. Ayew has been a find but most of the rest are plodders. As I've said elsewhere we've had a succession of failed managers but they all can't be that bad surely. Get the right manager in and we'll be fine we thought, now I think it didn't matter who came in the squad has too many poor players and that's the problem.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2015, 05:50:01 PM
I think he has a cut-off point in his mind where he knows we're gone. If I had to guess, I'd say what Garde is doing is preferring the artisan over the artist to try and grind out results to tide us over until January, and there will be a certain amount of games where he will know if we have a chance. After that, I'd like to think he'll say 'fuck it' and use the players he'll start the Championship with.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2015, 05:52:13 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on December 28, 2015, 05:47:21 PM
I think we all got it badly wrong thinking the squad was better than it is. Ayew has been a find but most of the rest are plodders. As I've said elsewhere we've had a succession of failed managers but they all can't be that bad surely. Get the right manager in and we'll be fine we thought, now I think it didn't matter who came in the squad has too many poor players and that's the problem.


The players are the problem. I think Okore, Gana, Veretout, Lescott, Sanchez, Ayew, Amavi and Adama have all shown enough at some stage to show they're worth persevering with. The problem is that the rest of the players are so far below what is required that those few decent players can't drag the team up. Assuming we're going down we need to take this opportunity to purge the club of these players who have consistently failed under numerous managers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 28, 2015, 05:58:15 PM
It's on record that we had a team meeting pre Newcastle To set a points target from the next 4 games.
I think a minimum of 6 would have been set. Looking likely to be 1/3 achieved. Pathetic
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2015, 05:58:17 PM
I think it's notable that the top four (the normal one rather than the adrenalin fuelled Leicester one) use defenders who can actually play football rather than rely on blood and thunder blocking to get their side out of trouble.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 28, 2015, 06:03:32 PM
Good enough:

Amavi
Grealish
Gil
Adama
Veretout
Ayew

Have it within them to be good enough but don't show it:

Richards
Gueye
Sinclair
Okore
Guzan
Sanchez

Not good enough and never will be:

Bacuna
Richardson
Westwood
Cole
Senderos
Gestede
Clark
Lescott
Hutton
Baker

Absolutely no fucking idea:

Ilori
Crespo

The problem with the above is that only one of the "clearly good enough" players is a defender, and he's out for the season.

The principle thing which did for us today was the fact that we are piss easy to score against. We are just so utterly feeble.

Norwich are shit and beat us at a canter.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on December 28, 2015, 06:04:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 28, 2015, 06:03:32 PM
Good enough:

Amavi
Grealish
Gil
Adama
Veretout
Ayew

Have it within them to be good enough but don't show it:

Richards
Gueye
Sinclair
Okore
Guzan
Sanchez

Not good enough and never will be:

Bacuna
Richardson
Westwood
Cole
Senderos
Gestede
Clark
Lescott
Hutton
Baker

Absolutely no fucking idea:

Ilori
Crespo


I don't disagree with a syllable of this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2015, 06:05:07 PM
Kozak - could be ace, could be finished. Could be dead.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 28, 2015, 06:05:42 PM
From what I've seen of Crespo I wouldn't put him in a pub team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2015, 06:08:52 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 28, 2015, 06:05:42 PM
From what I've seen of Crespo I wouldn't put him in a pub team.

"Sounds a bit overqualified to me."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 28, 2015, 06:09:44 PM
Good point re Kozak.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on December 28, 2015, 06:11:59 PM
I imagine you need a big pair of balls to get a team out of the championship which Garde hasn't got
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 06:12:20 PM
I think the problem we'll have next year is what a scrap the championship will be. If you think players like Gil and Veretout are lightweight and need time on the ball to shine in the prem, you ain't seen nothing yet.

We need players who can roll their sleeves up and scrap and then the flair players can shine if they're still here of course.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on December 28, 2015, 06:13:48 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 06:12:20 PM
We need players who can roll their sleeves up and scrap and then the flair players can shine if they're still here of course.
Bournemouth didn't win the league playing like that last season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on December 28, 2015, 06:14:06 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 06:12:20 PM
I think the problem we'll have next year is what a scrap the championship will be. If you think players like Gil and Veretout are lightweight and need time on the ball to shine in the prem, you ain't seen nothing yet.

We need players who can roll their sleeves up and scrap and then the flair players can shine if they're still here of course.


yep. I like Gil but a championship player he aint
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: in exile on December 28, 2015, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 06:12:20 PM
I think the problem we'll have next year is what a scrap the championship will be. If you think players like Gil and Veretout are lightweight and need time on the ball to shine in the prem, you ain't seen nothing yet.

We need players who can roll their sleeves up and scrap and then the flair players can shine if they're still here of course.
It'll be ok because we will have Jack. He's one of our own you know
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on December 28, 2015, 06:15:48 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on December 28, 2015, 06:14:06 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 06:12:20 PM
I think the problem we'll have next year is what a scrap the championship will be. If you think players like Gil and Veretout are lightweight and need time on the ball to shine in the prem, you ain't seen nothing yet.

We need players who can roll their sleeves up and scrap and then the flair players can shine if they're still here of course.


yep. I like Gil but a championship player he aint
He'll be looking for a move anyway. As will Ayew, Veretout etc. We've really, well and truly got to go back to square one I think.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on December 28, 2015, 06:16:00 PM
Paulie

I think you've been a bit generous. If we had six players who really were "good enough", we wouldn't be miles adrift at the bottom of the table.

I would rename your categories to "Could be good enough but haven't proven it in a run of games yet", "Not good enough to stop us getting relegated" and "Not good enough to get us promoted back".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 06:17:21 PM
Quote from: in exile on December 28, 2015, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 06:12:20 PM
I think the problem we'll have next year is what a scrap the championship will be. If you think players like Gil and Veretout are lightweight and need time on the ball to shine in the prem, you ain't seen nothing yet.

We need players who can roll their sleeves up and scrap and then the flair players can shine if they're still here of course.
It'll be ok because we will have Jack. He's one of our own you know

In fairness Jack was quality v SHA so he'd be fine at that level. It's our lightweight central midfield players I worry about even if Veretout has improved in recent weeks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on December 28, 2015, 06:22:04 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 06:17:21 PM
Quote from: in exile on December 28, 2015, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 06:12:20 PM
I think the problem we'll have next year is what a scrap the championship will be. If you think players like Gil and Veretout are lightweight and need time on the ball to shine in the prem, you ain't seen nothing yet.

We need players who can roll their sleeves up and scrap and then the flair players can shine if they're still here of course.
It'll be ok because we will have Jack. He's one of our own you know

In fairness Jack was quality v SHA so he'd be fine at that level. It's our lightweight central midfield players I worry about even if Veretout has improved in recent weeks.
I think come May too, Jack will be forgotten about outside of the Villa. I don't see too many knocking down our door to get him. Even if he did want out, he'd probably have little choice but to slog it out for a year with us in the Championship. Although I'd like to give the lad the benefit of doubt that he'd want to stay with his boyhood club and try to help dig them out of the shitpit. He's a misguided lad at times but I don't doubt his love of the Villa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 06:24:21 PM
I think Grealish needs a chance now to show he's knuckled down. He's not going to keep us up but at least let's see him get a few minutes now.

I still think teams will see an opportunity to get a potentially fantastic player at half price when we go down so there will be interest in him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on December 28, 2015, 06:27:01 PM
I wouldn't say I'm looking forward to it, but it would be blissful to see a decent, tricksy Villa side tearing the arse out of the Championship - a side full of young, unheralded acquisitions, youth talent and a sprinkling of battle-hardened experience like Veretout and Ayew. That's what I feel we deserve after the purgatory of the post O'Neill walkout.

But what we deserve and what we get may be two wildly differing things.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 28, 2015, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: DaveD on December 28, 2015, 06:16:00 PM
Paulie

I think you've been a bit generous. If we had six players who really were "good enough", we wouldn't be miles adrift at the bottom of the table.

I would rename your categories to "Could be good enough but haven't proven it in a run of games yet", "Not good enough to stop us getting relegated" and "Not good enough to get us promoted back".

See, to me, having six 'good enough' players is nothing like enough and a big influencing factor as to why we are where we are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2015, 07:08:35 PM
Plus of the 6 Paulie listed, only 2 start on a regular basis, so it's not like we have 6 'good enough' players in the 11 every week.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on December 28, 2015, 07:11:44 PM
Oh for a Graham Taylor type revolution when we get relegated. Someone to pull this club up by the bootstraps. No, not Remi Garde. Someone with some bollocks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on December 28, 2015, 07:12:32 PM
Yeah, I guess it depends on what it's good enough for.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 07:28:45 PM
Sherwood deserves to carry the can for this season purely as he messed up so many winnable games at the start. Not just the infamous Leicester game but we got 1 point out of Sunderland, West Brom, Swansea and Stoke home games. Mind you Garde hasn't exactly done much with his winnable games either even if the performances have been better.

Have to say today's result has the same feel to me that Hull away did last season but only in I think relegation is a foregone conclusion not that we should change the manager.

Remi though has a lot to prove to me he is capable of taking us back up next season and win 20 odd games in the championship. Winning a game or two this season might help a bit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 28, 2015, 07:29:06 PM
Quote from: Newby on December 28, 2015, 07:11:44 PM
Oh for a Graham Taylor type revolution when we get relegated. Someone to pull this club up by the bootstraps. No, not Remi Garde. Someone with some bollocks.

See I think Garde has plenty of bollocks, but needs some time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nelson Lodge on December 28, 2015, 07:40:28 PM
After reading today's team sheet I thought it was a bit early in his tenure for RG to be writing suicide notes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2015, 07:45:22 PM
He bottled it today.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on December 28, 2015, 07:49:47 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 28, 2015, 06:13:48 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 06:12:20 PM
We need players who can roll their sleeves up and scrap and then the flair players can shine if they're still here of course.
Bournemouth didn't win the league playing like that last season.

Yeah, I'm not surf the Championship is the physical battlefield it I'd often portrayed as.  Look at one of the players in that division over the past couple of seasons - Will Hughes - hardly a giant.  I think the one thing that is really effective in the Championship is pace in attacking areas, so I think that is something we need to consider.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on December 28, 2015, 08:14:59 PM
Has Garde got the bollocks for the Championship? Genuine question. He doesn't give me the impression he's got what it takes to revolutionise the lot. If we aren't careful it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on December 28, 2015, 08:16:29 PM
Garde's job is the hstorical equivolent of being made top head shred of the German army. In May 1945.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 28, 2015, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2015, 07:45:22 PM
He bottled it today.
Thought the same. Post match saying we didn't create anything, no shit when you leave Gill, Grealish and Adama on the bench 🙈
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: Dave on December 28, 2015, 06:13:48 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 06:12:20 PM
We need players who can roll their sleeves up and scrap and then the flair players can shine if they're still here of course.
Bournemouth didn't win the league playing like that last season.

They still had tough guys at the back like Steve Cook and Elphick to give them that solid base. Norwich and Watford certainly did go up that way anyway.

I just have visions of us going to likes of Rotherham and Huddersfield, playing a midfield trio of Gil-Westwood and Veretout and then scratching our heads as to why we can't even win those games as they endlessly backheel the ball and then go missing when the hard tackles come in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on December 28, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on December 28, 2015, 06:27:01 PM
I wouldn't say I'm looking forward to it, but it would be blissful to see a decent, tricksy Villa side tearing the arse out of the Championship - a side full of young, unheralded acquisitions, youth talent and a sprinkling of battle-hardened experience like Veretout and Ayew. That's what I feel we deserve after the purgatory of the post O'Neill walkout.

But what we deserve and what we get may be two wildly differing things.

Said the same to my son. Today was awful. 87-88 was very exciting and hope we can repeat next season
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on December 28, 2015, 08:31:54 PM
RG has shown only a marginal improvement in our play since he arrived. No new manager bounce. Today was awful as was his selection. Not convinced but give him a couple of transfer windows and lets then see what happens.

He seems to have more brain cells than our three managers put together.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 28, 2015, 08:41:31 PM
I have been placing bets for seventy years since I could write out a betting slip.  I would bet any amount of money demanded that if we had played Adama Traore wide and Libor Kozak lumbering on to his passes in the box from the start of the season we would not be staring at certain relegation. We have a shit defence a paperweight midfield and nobody to shoot at goal. The easiest of those three to fix is to get a player into the team who can work the penalty box.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 28, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 28, 2015, 08:41:31 PM
I have been placing bets for seventy years since I could write out a betting slip.  I would bet any amount of money demanded that if we had played Adama Traore wide and Libor Kozak lumbering on to his passes in the box from the start of the season we would not be staring at certain relegation. We have a shit defence a paperweight midfield and nobody to shoot at goal. The easiest of those three to fix is to get a player into the team who can work the penalty box.

Agree entirely about Kozak. Look at Benteke's goal last week against Leicester and that's what players like Kozak do very well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2015, 08:46:08 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 28, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 28, 2015, 08:41:31 PM
I have been placing bets for seventy years since I could write out a betting slip.  I would bet any amount of money demanded that if we had played Adama Traore wide and Libor Kozak lumbering on to his passes in the box from the start of the season we would not be staring at certain relegation. We have a shit defence a paperweight midfield and nobody to shoot at goal. The easiest of those three to fix is to get a player into the team who can work the penalty box.

Agree entirely about Kozak. Look at Benteke's goal last week against Leicester and that's what players like Kozak do very well.
Then please someone explain why he has not been played?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 28, 2015, 08:50:50 PM
The Kozak omission is a mystery, but at the same time I have not seen anything from the creative "trio" to suggest they would be the answer. Gestede has missed 7 or 8 very decent chances that Kozak may well have buried, so there has to be decent reason for him being left out all the time.

Beyond Veretout though, our central midfielders have been awful. Gana started well and has been consistently poor since, while Westwood isn't strong enough. If we could get Toulalan and Inler in that would be a huge upgrade.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on December 28, 2015, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2015, 08:46:08 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 28, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 28, 2015, 08:41:31 PM
I have been placing bets for seventy years since I could write out a betting slip.  I would bet any amount of money demanded that if we had played Adama Traore wide and Libor Kozak lumbering on to his passes in the box from the start of the season we would not be staring at certain relegation. We have a shit defence a paperweight midfield and nobody to shoot at goal. The easiest of those three to fix is to get a player into the team who can work the penalty box.

Agree entirely about Kozak. Look at Benteke's goal last week against Leicester and that's what players like Kozak do very well.
Then please someone explain why he has not been played?

Because he's not as good as Benteke?  In fact, given three managers have decided not to play him now maybe he's just not very good at all?  13 league goals in 87 games across 5 seasons in Italy would suggest he's hardly the answer to our goalscoring issues.  Even Gabby's got a better record than that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 28, 2015, 08:56:21 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on December 28, 2015, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2015, 08:46:08 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 28, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 28, 2015, 08:41:31 PM
I have been placing bets for seventy years since I could write out a betting slip.  I would bet any amount of money demanded that if we had played Adama Traore wide and Libor Kozak lumbering on to his passes in the box from the start of the season we would not be staring at certain relegation. We have a shit defence a paperweight midfield and nobody to shoot at goal. The easiest of those three to fix is to get a player into the team who can work the penalty box.

Agree entirely about Kozak. Look at Benteke's goal last week against Leicester and that's what players like Kozak do very well.
Then please someone explain why he has not been played?

Because he's not as good as Benteke?  In fact, given three managers have decided not to play him now maybe he's just not very good at all?  13 league goals in 87 games across 5 seasons in Italy would suggest he's hardly the answer to our goalscoring issues.  Even Gabby's got a better record than that.

In fairness they only seemed to play him in the europa league and I think he either finished their top goalscorer or the tournaments top goalscorer whilst he was there, I forget which.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 28, 2015, 08:56:36 PM
I think Remi rested  some key players today to ensure they are fresh for the Wycombe game. He clearly sees winning the FA cup as his only hope of replacing Wenger.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 08:59:03 PM
I can only conclude after his double leg break and then setback from that, none of the managers think Kozak's body is up to top level football anymore.

Same as Gary Gardner who's still here btw.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on December 28, 2015, 08:59:05 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 28, 2015, 08:56:21 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on December 28, 2015, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2015, 08:46:08 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 28, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 28, 2015, 08:41:31 PM
I have been placing bets for seventy years since I could write out a betting slip.  I would bet any amount of money demanded that if we had played Adama Traore wide and Libor Kozak lumbering on to his passes in the box from the start of the season we would not be staring at certain relegation. We have a shit defence a paperweight midfield and nobody to shoot at goal. The easiest of those three to fix is to get a player into the team who can work the penalty box.

Agree entirely about Kozak. Look at Benteke's goal last week against Leicester and that's what players like Kozak do very well.
Then please someone explain why he has not been played?

Because he's not as good as Benteke?  In fact, given three managers have decided not to play him now maybe he's just not very good at all?  13 league goals in 87 games across 5 seasons in Italy would suggest he's hardly the answer to our goalscoring issues.  Even Gabby's got a better record than that.

In fairness they only seemed to play him in the europa league and I think he either finished their top goalscorer or the tournaments top goalscorer whilst he was there, I forget which.

89 league matches doesn't tally with 'only playing him in the europa league'.  He absolutely pissed the Europa League one season and won the tournament's golden boot.  But the season before he scored 1 goal in it in 7 matches.  Not exactly prolific.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: jwarry on December 28, 2015, 08:59:44 PM
Although every other club who appoints a new manager gets the new manager bounce I really think we need to give RG at least 2 windows to see what he can do with players he wants.  Sure today was a cock up but two steps forward one back and all that
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on December 28, 2015, 09:00:00 PM
Oh, and in the season he pissed the Europa he scored zero domestic goals in 20 matches!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 28, 2015, 09:01:11 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on December 28, 2015, 09:00:00 PM
Oh, and in the season he pissed the Europa he scored zero domestic goals in 20 matches!

Oh well, at least we gave him a chance, eh?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 28, 2015, 09:03:42 PM
At least two of those Traore crosses I could have buried and I am semi comatose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on December 28, 2015, 09:04:16 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 28, 2015, 09:01:11 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on December 28, 2015, 09:00:00 PM
Oh, and in the season he pissed the Europa he scored zero domestic goals in 20 matches!

Oh well, at least we gave him a chance, eh?

I'm not averse to it - we've literally nothing to lose.

But I don't think he's the answer given so many managers have worked with him and decided he's not worth a place in the first team squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2015, 09:04:35 PM
In fairness to his league record, he's only started 30 league games for us, Lazio and Brescia combined. At the same time even allowing for his injury that's pretty shit over a 6+ year period, so maybe he's just not very good?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 28, 2015, 09:05:19 PM
I reckon he must be slow, and give the ball away a lot in training. It can be the only explanation.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on December 28, 2015, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 28, 2015, 09:04:35 PM
In fairness to his league record, he's only started 30 league games for us, Lazio and Brescia combined. At the same time even allowing for his injury that's pretty shit over a 6+ year period, so maybe he's just not very good?

Putting his goals record aside, the fact he's only started 30 league games in the last 7 and a half years also suggests he's not very good.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 09:12:14 PM
Well look at the goals he scored for us at least....Norwich on his debut, decent run to beat the back 4....poor finish and got lucky it came back. Cardiff, ball bobbled around the 6 yard box which he got on the end of it. Stoke, good anticipation from poor Pieters back pass. Southampton, good run to beat marker from El-Ahmadi cross.

I'm not saying he's brilliant as to me he was very slow and certainly couldn't stretch a defence but he can sniff out a chance in the 6 yard box, a poacher.

None of our other forwards are capable of that, even for how good Ayew is he does his good work outside the box with dribbles and long range shooting.

Kozak should be coming off the bench at least to give us an idea of how capable he is playing matches, either that or send him on loan somewhere.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 28, 2015, 09:13:11 PM
You could I suppose argue the same about Gestede, the player who's being preferred to him. He scored a shite load for Blackburn over a season. His record elsewhere is a bit poor for a striker. Maybe Kozak wouldn't have made a difference up front, but he deserved a crack at least in our current predicament.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 28, 2015, 09:15:42 PM
When you look at Rudy then it does reassure you a bit the championship is a bit naff if he can score 20 + down there. He really is one of the worst strikers I've seen in the premier league for a good while, I'd put him in the Ameobi, Carlton Cole, Anchiebe range.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 28, 2015, 09:18:46 PM
Carlton Cole is a better forward than Gestede in the premier league. He is technically a donkey.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 28, 2015, 09:20:04 PM
Is he available?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 28, 2015, 09:20:48 PM
He's at Celtic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on December 28, 2015, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on December 28, 2015, 09:04:16 PM
Quote from: Clampy on December 28, 2015, 09:01:11 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on December 28, 2015, 09:00:00 PM
Oh, and in the season he pissed the Europa he scored zero domestic goals in 20 matches!

Oh well, at least we gave him a chance, eh?

I'm not averse to it - we've literally nothing to lose.

But I don't think he's the answer given so many managers have worked with him and decided he's not worth a place in the first team squad.
Those same managers have all picked Westwood in midfield week in, week out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 28, 2015, 09:29:00 PM
Everything we do in the opposition third of the pitch, especially in front of goal is too complicated. We need a goal scorer who can do the simple things. Collect the ball and shoot at goal. Ayew? No prefers to run the channels. Gestede No far too limited and a bag of nerves. Sinclair No lightweight temperamental and another channel runner Gabby No fat stroppy and attitude problems.  It only leaves Kozak who has never been given a chance. How bad do you have to be not to get into a team adrift at the bottom of the table?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2015, 09:29:59 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 28, 2015, 09:20:48 PM
He's at Celtic.

I assume he is league top scorer up there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: UK Redsox on December 28, 2015, 09:31:40 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on December 28, 2015, 09:20:48 PM
He's at Celtic.

Straight swap for Kozak then
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on December 28, 2015, 09:34:29 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 28, 2015, 09:29:00 PM
How bad do you have to be not to get into a team adrift at the bottom of the table?

Quite!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2015, 09:45:33 PM
The one thing none of us really knows is what it's like inside the club. I imagine Garde is gutted by it all, but there will be players who won't be taking it as seriously. Who were influential and have already packed it in. It has to be difficult for the manager to come in and see some of the attitudes. Not all of the players are going to be like Ayew who wears every defeat on his face.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 28, 2015, 09:52:16 PM
My point about Kozak is not about his ability which may or may not be as good or as bad as Gabby, Gestede, Sinclair or Ayew but the ability of whoever has made the decision to out him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 28, 2015, 09:55:25 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 28, 2015, 09:52:16 PM
My point about Kozak is not about his ability which may or may not be as good or as bad as Gabby, Gestede, Sinclair or Ayew but the ability of whoever has made the decision to out him.
Its 3 managers and even mcdonald who picked the most politically motivated team ever.
There must be something wrong.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 28, 2015, 11:03:48 PM
Made a fucking pigs ear of todays game. I've been supportive of him and want him to stay, he's been dealt a bum hand but today, fuck me, when I saw the team sheet it had dull, standard defeat written all over it.

I can forgive a manager when they are learning about the players for selecting wrong uns. But this many games in to the job, if he hasn't learnt that Sinclair is fucking pants, Richardson is a load of shit no matter where you shoe horn him in to and Bacuna an utter liability then when will he learn?

He ''rested'' Okore and Lescott? Okore has barely played any football for a year. No one else is resting players, we are in a fucking battle for our position, If they can't manage a couple of games in a row then they aren't professional atheletes and need another job. Fucking balls up from start to finish today, complete crap. Poor effort Remi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 28, 2015, 11:07:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on December 28, 2015, 11:03:48 PM
He ''rested'' Okore and Lescott? Okore has barely played any football for a year. No one else is resting players, we are in a fucking battle for our position, If they can't manage a couple of games in a row then they aren't professional atheletes and need another job. Fucking balls up from start to finish today, complete crap. Poor effort Remi.

Okore had a swollen knee, apparently, and couldn't be risked.

Lescott is finished. I'm not surprised he couldn't manage another game so soon.

I'm also not hugely disappointed either, to be honest, he's laughably shit these days in any case.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eddie597 on December 28, 2015, 11:08:59 PM
Garde has let down Lerner. He was plucked from obscurity, given a good job with a great boss, but has failed. He has to go before it is too late.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 28, 2015, 11:11:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 28, 2015, 11:07:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on December 28, 2015, 11:03:48 PM
He ''rested'' Okore and Lescott? Okore has barely played any football for a year. No one else is resting players, we are in a fucking battle for our position, If they can't manage a couple of games in a row then they aren't professional atheletes and need another job. Fucking balls up from start to finish today, complete crap. Poor effort Remi.

Okore had a swollen knee, apparently, and couldn't be risked.

Lescott is finished. I'm not surprised he couldn't manage another game so soon.

I'm also not hugely disappointed either, to be honest, he's laughably shit these days in any case.

Didn't know about the swollen knee, another injury? Sounds like another dud. We are a train wreck at the back, the one thing you need is stability at the back swapping players constantly back there is only helping to fuck us up. I can't wait for this season to end, there isn't a single decent thing about it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on December 28, 2015, 11:12:27 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on December 28, 2015, 11:03:48 PM
Made a fucking pigs ear of todays game. I've been supportive of him and want him to stay, he's been dealt a bum hand but today, fuck me, when I saw the team sheet it had dull, standard defeat written all over it.

I can forgive a manager when they are learning about the players for selecting wrong uns. But this many games in to the job, if he hasn't learnt that Sinclair is fucking pants, Richardson is a load of shit no matter where you shoe horn him in to and Bacuna an utter liability then when will he learn?

He ''rested'' Okore and Lescott? Okore has barely played any football for a year. No one else is resting players, we are in a fucking battle for our position, If they can't manage a couple of games in a row then they aren't professional atheletes and need another job. Fucking balls up from start to finish today, complete crap. Poor effort Remi.

cant argue with a word of that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on December 28, 2015, 11:27:28 PM
It's time to write this season off and make plans for lower league football. And that starts with whether this bloke has what it takes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 28, 2015, 11:55:54 PM
Quote from: Monty on December 28, 2015, 06:04:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 28, 2015, 06:03:32 PM
Good enough:

Amavi
Grealish
Gil
Adama
Veretout
Ayew

Have it within them to be good enough but don't show it:

Richards
Gueye
Sinclair
Okore
Guzan
Sanchez

Not good enough and never will be:

Bacuna
Richardson
Westwood
Cole
Senderos
Gestede
Clark
Lescott
Hutton
Baker

Absolutely no fucking idea:

Ilori
Crespo


I don't disagree with a syllable of this.

This notable thing for me is that the 'good enough' group, in normal circumstances, should really have 'potentially' ahead of it. 
Whereas most the players in the second group are our senior players. The first group of players should be looking to the second group for leadership and guidance - which might be part of the problem.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 28, 2015, 11:58:56 PM
Yep, we seem to have decent ''secondary'' players but we have no spine to the team at all.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 29, 2015, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: eddie597 on December 28, 2015, 11:08:59 PM
Garde has let down Lerner. He was plucked from obscurity, given a good job with a great boss, but has failed. He has to go before it is too late.

Obscurity?  He was at Lyon for years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 12:03:47 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 29, 2015, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: eddie597 on December 28, 2015, 11:08:59 PM
Garde has let down Lerner. He was plucked from obscurity, given a good job with a great boss, but has failed. He has to go before it is too late.

Obscurity?  He was at Lyon for years.

If they haven't been involved with the Villa then Eddie won't have a clue who they are, you're regular nose. By the time Remi leaves the majority of the noses pitiful following will know everything about him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Axl Rose on December 29, 2015, 12:11:46 AM
The first time I've gotten angry with Garde since he arrived-clueless today.

I've nothing more to add. What a crap 2015.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 29, 2015, 12:14:37 AM
2015 has certainly been an annus horribilis, or better described complete arse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 29, 2015, 12:26:19 AM
The smell of the Villa right now reminds me of Houlier's tenure at the club.  It seems there is a general lack of willingness from the players to 'step up'.  A lack of enthusiasm to embrace change and new ideas.  To paraphrase Sinclair: "we're not really fussed who the manager is, Sherwood or Garde, we just turn up and do as we're told" sounds a lot like going through the motions to me.

I might be naive in my support, but I hope the club trusts and backs Garde, as someone needs to strip the squad/coaches right back to the bones and completely rebuild.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 12:28:02 AM
I want Garde to be our 21st century Taylor, today was not a good day for him though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 29, 2015, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on December 29, 2015, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: eddie597 on December 28, 2015, 11:08:59 PM
Garde has let down Lerner. He was plucked from obscurity, given a good job with a great boss, but has failed. He has to go before it is too late.

Obscurity?  He was at Lyon for years.

I think he was Lyon manager for 3 years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2015, 12:38:07 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 29, 2015, 12:14:37 AM
2015 has certainly been an annus horribilis, or better described complete arse.

We've had 5 consecutive 'annus horribilis' or did you miss the previous years?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 29, 2015, 12:46:19 AM
I am worried about the number of anus horribilis we will still have at Bodymoor Heath at the end of January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 29, 2015, 01:41:36 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2015, 12:38:07 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 29, 2015, 12:14:37 AM
2015 has certainly been an annus horribilis, or better described complete arse.

We've had 5 consecutive 'annus horribilis' or did you miss the previous years?

No they've been great years. What team have you been watching?

You'd honestly think by the way you come off that you are trying to prove to everyone that you the angriest of everyone on here. Newsflash - we are all massively fucked off, so stop trying to score points thinking nobody has noticed but you that things are shit. And have been for a while now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hillbilly on December 29, 2015, 03:41:37 AM
It does seem that a lot of our players are 'uncoachable'. It doesn't matter who's been in charge, there's no indication that they can follow instructions, absorb tactics, retain the basics*. It's come up in conversation around here before that even the least talented on them would make us look like chumps if we met them in a kick around. This suggests then they are either a. dumb as nails or b. insubordinate. Either way, no wonder the last few managers seemed to age 10 years in six months.

*It might be my imagination but it seems the British players are particularly guilty.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on December 29, 2015, 03:54:07 AM
Quote from: Axl Rose on December 29, 2015, 12:11:46 AM
The first time I've gotten angry with Garde since he arrived-clueless.

Beginning to get concerned about some of his team selections.  Also not overly impressed that like a Sherwood before him, he doesn't seem to be able to set up a team to accommodate flair players like Gil. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 29, 2015, 04:00:57 AM
I think you have touched on a very significant point Hillbilly. We have watched this culture of insubordination grow ever since the hard core of Collins, Dunne and Warnock ruled the roost.  Some player failings are blindingly apparent and never get corrected. N'Zogbia never looking up, Sanchez making himself a sitting duck for having the ball nicked off him, Hutton never staying close enough to the attacker, Westwood failing to pick up runners, Guzan dithering before kicking where everybody knows he will kick.  We all know they do these things, they know they do them, they just never bother to do anything about it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on December 29, 2015, 05:31:00 AM
spot on Brian. Sadly Garde is making the same mistakes as the previous two incumbents - there are certain players who should never be in a Villa shirt and yet appear week after week (although he does seem to have  sussed GabFlab). Try something different! At least we'd have a new debate on their replacement's suitability/non suitability instead of re treading the same old argument week in week out. Time now for some radical team selections - we're 99.9% down so have very little to loose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 29, 2015, 06:19:10 AM
Thanks Mr U and good morning.
We once had a spell like this when Joe Mercer came in to manage us. It was not his own concept because Matt Busby had launched the Busby Babes - Charlton, Edwards, Taylor, Violett et al - but Mercer brought in young untried players woefully named Mercer's Minnows by the Meaning Evil.  They did quite well and introduced Tindall, Deakin and Sleeuwenhoek among others. It lifted the fans and gave a bit of hope where previously there was none. Regrettably I cannot see anything similar happening now because Remi Garde has placed himself squarely under the flag of conservatism. Shame, I had high hopes that he would be an interesting manager but I fear he is a boring one.
I can see him at home on Dec 31 writing out his New Year Resolutions.   1.  Get into play offs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 07:23:17 AM
I am reserving judgement on whether he is conservative or not until he has his own players. I think or at least understand why he has gone with the current formation. We are over run in midfield most weeks and have a comedy club playing in our back 4. We tried expansive a couple of times and lost badly. The only option was to try and find a balance that he was getting towards in the previous games but the loss of Sanchez and the reshuffle of the back 4 fecked it all yesterday. I don't believe he is inherently conservative, but getting results with this side is just to much. I reserve judgement until 10 games into next season. We should have an idea then of his ability both to build his own side and also find the attack defence balance. He was thought of as more of an attacking manager at Lyon after all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on December 29, 2015, 08:18:17 AM
I think that is fair. Let's see how we are playing come the end of October and how many of these clueless morons we have managed to shift on by then.

That'll give us an idea how Garde can / may / will be.

We need 6 or 7 first teamers, some of the first teamers to be at best sub and some of the first teamers and more peripheral members to be binned totally. And a very select number of subs/peripheral players to be given more game time if they continue to demonstrate the right approach.

First though we need to get rid of the multiple tumours - Gabby, CNZ, Cole, Richardson, Richards, etc....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on December 29, 2015, 08:28:53 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on December 29, 2015, 08:18:17 AM
I think that is fair. Let's see how we are playing come the end of October and how many of these clueless morons we have managed to shift on by then.

That'll give us an idea how Garde can / may / will be.

We need 6 or 7 first teamers, some of the first teamers to be at best sub and some of the first teamers and more peripheral members to be binned totally. And a very select number of subs/peripheral players to be given more game time if they continue to demonstrate the right approach.

First though we need to get rid of the multiple tumours - Gabby, CNZ, Cole, Richardson, Richards, etc....

Bloody hell, give it till October?
We were being asked to be patient in August, and wait for all of our summer signings to gel, because its a new team and they need to bond and learn how to play together.
We'll know where we stand by November, we were informed.
Well, we all know where that is.

Now, we've got to give it another 10 months?

I don't know how many rebuilds a single club can go through.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on December 29, 2015, 08:30:57 AM
Folks. Please don't mention "need" and "pre-season"  just yet. Please!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 08:34:07 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 07:23:17 AM
I am reserving judgement on whether he is conservative or not until he has his own players. I think or at least understand why he has gone with the current formation. We are over run in midfield most weeks and have a comedy club playing in our back 4. We tried expansive a couple of times and lost badly. The only option was to try and find a balance that he was getting towards in the previous games but the loss of Sanchez and the reshuffle of the back 4 fecked it all yesterday. I don't believe he is inherently conservative, but getting results with this side is just to much. I reserve judgement until 10 games into next season. We should have an idea then of his ability both to build his own side and also find the attack defence balance. He was thought of as more of an attacking manager at Lyon after all.


Exactly my thoughts as well. He has inherited an absolute shambles of a team with some of the worst players ever to play in the top flight. He tried to be expansive against Everton and we got battered. It's needs must until he can get the players he wants in. As you state he was known for a pretty attacking philosophy at Lyon, so I doubt he's completely changed his ideas after a few games in charge at us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on December 29, 2015, 08:37:28 AM
I think Garde absolutely has to be given till October to see what he's like. He's inherited utter wank here with poor standard players and some poor attitudes by the looks of some of them.

I'd like to see what he can do with a proper preseason behind him and with his players playing to his style.

I'm not prepared to mark him down on the performances of garbage like Richardson, Westwood, Hutton and Guzan.  Shankly would struggle with that lot.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on December 29, 2015, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: andyh on December 29, 2015, 08:28:53 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on December 29, 2015, 08:18:17 AM
I think that is fair. Let's see how we are playing come the end of October and how many of these clueless morons we have managed to shift on by then.

That'll give us an idea how Garde can / may / will be.

We need 6 or 7 first teamers, some of the first teamers to be at best sub and some of the first teamers and more peripheral members to be binned totally. And a very select number of subs/peripheral players to be given more game time if they continue to demonstrate the right approach.

First though we need to get rid of the multiple tumours - Gabby, CNZ, Cole, Richardson, Richards, etc....

Bloody hell, give it till October?
We were being asked to be patient in August, and wait for all of our summer signings to gel, because its a new team and they need to bond and learn how to play together.
We'll know where we stand by November, we were informed.
Well, we all know where that is.

Now, we've got to give it another 10 months?

I don't know how many rebuilds a single club can go through.

I was refering to Garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 29, 2015, 08:55:13 AM
what worries me most about garde is that in 8 games we havent had any new manager bounce.

overly cautious, unwilling to change things until its too late and the players still making the same shit mistakes and a complete lack of confidence and leadership.

nothing has changed since sherwood

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on December 29, 2015, 09:07:08 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 29, 2015, 08:55:13 AM
what worries me most about garde is that in 8 games we havent had any new manager bounce.

overly cautious, unwilling to change things until its too late and the players still making the same shit mistakes and a complete lack of confidence and leadership.

nothing has changed since sherwood


Yep.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TonyD on December 29, 2015, 09:13:56 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on December 29, 2015, 05:31:00 AM
spot on Brian. Sadly Garde is making the same mistakes as the previous two incumbents - there are certain players who should never be in a Villa shirt and yet appear week after week (although he does seem to have  sussed GabFlab). Try something different! At least we'd have a new debate on their replacement's suitability/non suitability instead of re treading the same old argument week in week out. Time now for some radical team selections - we're 99.9% down so have very little to loose.
Yes the lack of creativity in team selection is odd.   It might be financial clauses on players wages.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on December 29, 2015, 09:14:18 AM
Mcliesh, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde they all morph into the same manager in the end

at least Lambert and Sherwood tried at the beginning to be a bit positive only to go the same way as the rest in the end
 Garde hasnt even bothered, just picked things up where we left of,
 that's the most disappointing thing of all for me,

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 09:18:30 AM
I still maintain that Garde was just try to eek out what he could with the utter garbage he's been given. He's made mistakes, but give him a chance to get some players in before judging him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on December 29, 2015, 09:23:35 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 09:18:30 AM
I still maintain that Garde was just try to eek out what he could with the utter garbage he's been given. He's made mistakes, but give him a chance to get some players in before judging him.

i really want to believe in a Garde, I was very happy with the appointment and reading all the stuff of how he likes to play the game etc
But yesterday's line up showed he's just the same as the rest, I hate saying it but that's the truth of the matter,
There is no excuse for the rubbish players he is starting with, no excuse
Back him all you like but Until he changes his conservative approach he will go the same way as the rest
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 29, 2015, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 09:18:30 AM
I still maintain that Garde was just try to eek out what he could with the utter garbage he's been given. He's made mistakes, but give him a chance to get some players in before judging him.

4 points from 8 games would get him the sack at some clubs

now we are down i expect to see some changes and him to show some courage and balls and at least mix things up a bit and at least look like he wants to actually win a game
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on December 29, 2015, 09:27:12 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 09:18:30 AM
I still maintain that Garde was just try to eek out what he could with the utter garbage he's been given. He's made mistakes, but give him a chance to get some players in before judging him.

I agree. Even amid the ultimate shambles of yesterday we played some decent stuff before the customary comedy fuck up for the goal. I am holding on to the idea that when he has players available that can be trusted we will see an improvement even though in all likelihood it will be too late for this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on December 29, 2015, 09:30:31 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on December 29, 2015, 09:27:12 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 09:18:30 AM
I still maintain that Garde was just try to eek out what he could with the utter garbage he's been given. He's made mistakes, but give him a chance to get some players in before judging him.

I agree. Even amid the ultimate shambles of yesterday we played some decent stuff before the customary comedy fuck up for the goal. I am holding on to the idea that when he has players available that can be trusted we will see an improvement even though in all likelihood it will be too late for this season.

Is that any different to Sherwood though,
The best football we have played all season was the first hour against Leicester
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 29, 2015, 09:32:05 AM
no different
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on December 29, 2015, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 29, 2015, 08:55:13 AM
what worries me most about garde is that in 8 games we havent had any new manager bounce.

overly cautious, unwilling to change things until its too late and the players still making the same shit mistakes and a complete lack of confidence and leadership.

nothing has changed since sherwood

I also thought he would tighten us up at the back, but some of the goals we have conceded in recent games have been awful.  Case in point - the first goal yesterday - ball comes into the box, Clark was where Richards should have been, Richards was where Clark should have been, Bacuna for some unknown reason was between the two of them and the lad who scored was where Bacuna should have been.  That is exactly the kind I would have hoped they would be constantly working on in training, yet we still look as disorganised as ever. 

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 09:35:01 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 29, 2015, 09:24:19 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 09:18:30 AM
I still maintain that Garde was just try to eek out what he could with the utter garbage he's been given. He's made mistakes, but give him a chance to get some players in before judging him.

4 points from 8 games would get him the sack at some clubs

now we are down i expect to see some changes and him to show some courage and balls and at least mix things up a bit and at least look like he wants to actually win a game

Well that just shows how stupid football is doesn't it? The team has played some reasonable stuff under him, but he has been let down by terrible mistakes by individuals up both ends of the pitch. I'm not really sure what he's supposed to do when all of his full back choices are terrible, his best two centre halves weren't fit to play and his only defensive midfielder was injured. I appreciate that the fans want to see us go for it, but there's got to be a balance. If we chucked Grealish, Gil and Adama all on at the start and lost 6-2 to Norwich I doubt we'd have been happy.

We have an absolutely diabolical squad, one of the worst I've ever seen. It's only some of the players we signed last summer, Okore, Gil and maybe Grealish who have anything about them. There isn't a manager in the world who could turn this lot around without an almost complete overhaul. Garde was known as an attacking manager, so I'm sure he's not thrilled to be doing this either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 09:35:23 AM
8 games worth a poor squad. Some encouraging signs in parts and not one player of his own choice.  Some people are even more fickle than me.  Give him some time and a decent chance!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on December 29, 2015, 09:36:15 AM
If there isn't an improvement at all following his own aquisitions in January  he won't make it to the end of the season and he shouldn't do
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 29, 2015, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 29, 2015, 08:55:13 AM
what worries me most about garde is that in 8 games we havent had any new manager bounce.

overly cautious, unwilling to change things until its too late and the players still making the same shit mistakes and a complete lack of confidence and leadership.

nothing has changed since sherwood

I also thought he would tighten us up at the back, but some of the goals we have conceded in recent games have been awful.  Case in point - the first goal yesterday - ball comes into the box, Clark was where Richards should have been, Richards was where Clark should have been, Bacuna for some unknown reason was between the two of them and the lad who scored was where Bacuna should have been.  That is exactly the kind I would have hoped they would be constantly working on in training, yet we still look as disorganised as ever. 



Not helped by Lescott and Okore being unable to play twice in 3 days.  Hopefully he will learn Richards and Clark are just as much a liability as the full backs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 09:48:00 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 09:35:23 AM
8 games worth a poor squad. Some encouraging signs in parts and not one player of his own choice.  Some people are even more fickle than me.  Give him some time and a decent chance!!

I was going to say it's absolutely insane. It's 8 games with a squad I think everyone agrees is absolutely awful. The guy deserves some time, he's dealing with a legacy of neglect. He's already identified time wasters like Gabby and N'Zog, which we've been wanting a manager to do for ages. Let's face we've been going down for years, it's just this year that it'll finally be confirmed. This manager deserves a proper chance to do something to turn it round. We have played well at numerous times since he took over, but we've lost because individuals keep making the same terrible mistakes. There's no a manager in the world who could stop Guzan dropping the ball in the net, or stop Clark from failing to compete for headers or stop Gestede from missing sitters. He had a decent centre half partnership in Okore and Lescott, but injury and age put paid to that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on December 29, 2015, 09:53:29 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 09:48:00 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 09:35:23 AM
8 games worth a poor squad. Some encouraging signs in parts and not one player of his own choice.  Some people are even more fickle than me.  Give him some time and a decent chance!!

I was going to say it's absolutely insane. It's 8 games with a squad I think everyone agrees is absolutely awful. The guy deserves some time, he's dealing with a legacy of neglect. He's already identified time wasters like Gabby and N'Zog, which we've been wanting a manager to do for ages. Let's face we've been going down for years, it's just this year that it'll finally be confirmed. This manager deserves a proper chance to do something to turn it round. We have played well at numerous times since he took over, but we've lost because individuals keep making the same terrible mistakes. There's no a manager in the world who could stop Guzan dropping the ball in the net, or stop Clark from failing to compete for headers or stop Gestede from missing sitters. He had a decent centre half partnership in Okore and Lescott, but injury and age put paid to that.
If we go to the end of the season without winning another game which looks entirely possible I don't see how he could remain, the fans would have completely turned by then too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on December 29, 2015, 09:53:44 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 29, 2015, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 29, 2015, 08:55:13 AM
what worries me most about garde is that in 8 games we havent had any new manager bounce.

overly cautious, unwilling to change things until its too late and the players still making the same shit mistakes and a complete lack of confidence and leadership.

nothing has changed since sherwood

I also thought he would tighten us up at the back, but some of the goals we have conceded in recent games have been awful.  Case in point - the first goal yesterday - ball comes into the box, Clark was where Richards should have been, Richards was where Clark should have been, Bacuna for some unknown reason was between the two of them and the lad who scored was where Bacuna should have been.  That is exactly the kind I would have hoped they would be constantly working on in training, yet we still look as disorganised as ever. 



Not helped by Lescott and Okore being unable to play twice in 3 days.  Hopefully he will learn Richards and Clark are just as much a liability as the full backs.

Does not bode well for life in the Championship then, where the schedule tends to be Saturday then Tuesday games for a lot of the season. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on December 29, 2015, 09:55:16 AM
The criticism of Garde has been harsh bordering on the ridiculous. And the people calling him a coward yesterday, well I hope it was said in anger and frustration, rather than an actual informed opinion.

The team he put out yesterday does seem bizarre, unless you put in the context. Some players were injured (Sanchez), some just couldn't play 2 games in 48 hours (Lescott, Okore). What options did Remi have in defence? Not much obviously, don't you think he would play Crespo, Illori if they were any good? There's a reason we've recalled two on loan left backs.

The whole Gil-Grealish-Traore thing's pretty obvious too, if you put our defence into the context. We're so bad at giving away goals (yesterday being yet another prime example, though the Everton result is the one that did it for the manager) that Garde does not trust them to either keep hold of the ball for any length of time, or track back, work hard etc. to protect what is without doubt the worst defence in Christendom.

So,  you're Remi Garde. You've inherited a squad of players, who can't score goals, don't create many chances, can't keep hold of possession, are vulnerable to the counter attack, have no confidence, aren't particularly fit, some of them aren't even interested in playing football. What do you do? How can you win football games if you're shipping easy goals, and only occasionally look like scoring?...Pack your midfield with people who will at least help protect your this shit defence of yours, hope to nick a win somewhere, somehow and slowly build confidence, add some of your own players in January, stamp your authority over the malcontents, maybe even mount a proper relegation fight in the second half of the season

Has it worked out? Obviously not, and I understand people wanting Traore to come on earlier/start when Sinclair offers absolutely nothing going forward, but to call Garde a coward? Well that's just bloody stupid that is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2015, 09:59:56 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 09:35:23 AM
8 games worth a poor squad. Some encouraging signs in parts and not one player of his own choice.  Some people are even more fickle than me.  Give him some time and a decent chance!!

Boy have Villa fans been patient these last 5 years.
Trouble is, Garde has had zero impact so far. Even Sherwood for all his faults gave us a new manager lift. Garde though, absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 29, 2015, 10:02:12 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 29, 2015, 09:33:40 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on December 29, 2015, 08:55:13 AM
what worries me most about garde is that in 8 games we havent had any new manager bounce.

overly cautious, unwilling to change things until its too late and the players still making the same shit mistakes and a complete lack of confidence and leadership.

nothing has changed since sherwood

I also thought he would tighten us up at the back, but some of the goals we have conceded in recent games have been awful.  Case in point - the first goal yesterday - ball comes into the box, Clark was where Richards should have been, Richards was where Clark should have been, Bacuna for some unknown reason was between the two of them and the lad who scored was where Bacuna should have been.  That is exactly the kind I would have hoped they would be constantly working on in training, yet we still look as disorganised as ever. 



Not helped by Lescott and Okore being unable to play twice in 3 days.  Hopefully he will learn Richards and Clark are just as much a liability as the full backs.

They were starting to look reasonably good together. I think with Richards right back and Amavi left back that might actually be an OK defence and a bloody good defence in the championship if by some miracle they all stay, and stay fit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: RussellC on December 29, 2015, 10:03:45 AM
I have to say that I really don't agree with this sentiment that we've played some 'decent' or 'reasonably' stuff under him. We've had our fair-share of possession, granted, but it's been as aimless and planless as anything served under Paul Lambert and less-so that under Sherwood.

I can't think of one goal that we've scored during Garde's stewardship that we could credit him for. They've all been either fortuitous (Richard's offside goal against Watford, the penalty against West Ham) or individual brilliance from Ayew. The defence look even less organised than before and he's getting no return out of our 3 genuine flair-players (Gill, Grealish and Traore). I'm massivley unconvinced by him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 10:04:51 AM
He did have Cleveley Delph and Benteke plus Okore fitter and Vlaar in the back 4. Put Benteke into this side we are 8 points better off right now I reckon.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on December 29, 2015, 10:06:13 AM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on December 29, 2015, 09:55:16 AM
The criticism of Garde has been harsh bordering on the ridiculous. And the people calling him a coward yesterday, well I hope it was said in anger and frustration, rather than an actual informed opinion.

The team he put out yesterday does seem bizarre, unless you put in the context. Some players were injured (Sanchez), some just couldn't play 2 games in 48 hours (Lescott, Okore). What options did Remi have in defence? Not much obviously, don't you think he would play Crespo, Illori if they were any good? There's a reason we've recalled two on loan left backs.

The whole Gil-Grealish-Traore thing's pretty obvious too, if you put our defence into the context. We're so bad at giving away goals (yesterday being yet another prime example, though the Everton result is the one that did it for the manager) that Garde does not trust them to either keep hold of the ball for any length of time, or track back, work hard etc. to protect what is without doubt the worst defence in Christendom.

So,  you're Remi Garde. You've inherited a squad of players, who can't score goals, don't create many chances, can't keep hold of possession, are vulnerable to the counter attack, have no confidence, aren't particularly fit, some of them aren't even interested in playing football. What do you do? How can you win football games if you're shipping easy goals, and only occasionally look like scoring?...Pack your midfield with people who will at least help protect your this shit defence of yours, hope to nick a win somewhere, somehow and slowly build confidence, add some of your own players in January, stamp your authority over the malcontents, maybe even mount a proper relegation fight in the second half of the season

Has it worked out? Obviously not, and I understand people wanting Traore to come on earlier/start when Sinclair offers absolutely nothing going forward, but to call Garde a coward? Well that's just bloody stupid that is.

OK, so if that is the case, which was the more important of the two games?  Home to mid table West Ham or a pretty much must win game against a fellow relegation rival?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 10:08:53 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2015, 09:59:56 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 09:35:23 AM
8 games worth a poor squad. Some encouraging signs in parts and not one player of his own choice.  Some people are even more fickle than me.  Give him some time and a decent chance!!

Boy have Villa fans been patient these last 5 years.
Trouble is, Garde has had zero impact so far. Even Sherwood for all his faults gave us a new manager lift. Garde though, absolutely nothing.

Yes but Garde has actually tried to place an element of stability in place. The 4 points he's got have actually been decent points, and if it wasn't for the fact we've got too many terrible players who make terrible mistakes we'd probably have more. Sherwood did get an initial lift, but the subsequent fall has left us where we are now. I don't think Garde has time to do it now, but maybe he's trying to create a basis of something to build from. Ultimately he needs some competent players and it's not fair to judge him yet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nastylee on December 29, 2015, 10:17:02 AM
I've been amazed at how the players are getting off so lightly. The suits have got a lot of stick and rightly so and now Remi seems to be on the radar. However, whenever I see our team play I see a distinct lack of effort from players that cannot be arsed to run forward and support attacks or simply track back and spot danger. Some players are mugging us off and it's seemingly going unnoticed in favour of stick being directed elsewhere. Shitness can almost be forgiven but some of the goals we give away with players looking half arsed is a travesty.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2015, 10:18:17 AM
Garde had over half a season to turn it around and we're still not even into January yet. Of course he's had time and still has. He has a chance to get in some of his own players next month so it's not over yet. It still doesn't excuse the start to his reign though, which has been pretty dismal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 29, 2015, 10:19:21 AM
I'd be keeping Garde too. He did a decent job at Lyon and it's possible with some of his own players in he can do the same here eventually.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 10:22:55 AM
His record and pedigree suggests he has a decent idea.  A win in the next 2 and he is doing marginally better than Sherwood. He needs time and the fans to afford him that. We have to get stability with someone.  I would sooner it be Garde than Pearson or Allardyce
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 29, 2015, 10:27:18 AM
I've got to say though, he made a right mess of that defensive line up yesterday. Okore, fair enough but i'd have left Lescott in and kept Bacuna at left back and just brought Richards in. Changing three out of the back four was just asking for trouble and at times they looked like a defence that hadn't played together before.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nastylee on December 29, 2015, 10:31:36 AM
When you're in a position that means you are playing Bacuna at left back then the writing really is on the wall.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 29, 2015, 10:33:01 AM
Quote from: Nastylee on December 29, 2015, 10:31:36 AM
When you're in a position that means you are playing Bacuna at left back then the writing really is on the wall.

Bacuna is a bloody awful footballer, but he's a symptom of Villa's rot. He's only here because he's cheap.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: RussellC on December 29, 2015, 10:33:34 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 29, 2015, 10:19:21 AM
I'd be keeping Garde too. He did a decent job at Lyon and it's possible with some of his own players in he can do the same here eventually.

I really can't work out what to make of his record at Lyon to be honest. On paper, it's pretty unspectacular given the size and stature of the club, and whilst I appreciate that there was a myriad of mitigating factors, it's not particularly clear-cut that he was a a raging success there. Do his "record and pedigree" really suggest that he's the right man for the job in hand?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on December 29, 2015, 10:36:02 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 29, 2015, 10:06:13 AM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on December 29, 2015, 09:55:16 AM
The criticism of Garde has been harsh bordering on the ridiculous. And the people calling him a coward yesterday, well I hope it was said in anger and frustration, rather than an actual informed opinion.

The team he put out yesterday does seem bizarre, unless you put in the context. Some players were injured (Sanchez), some just couldn't play 2 games in 48 hours (Lescott, Okore). What options did Remi have in defence? Not much obviously, don't you think he would play Crespo, Illori if they were any good? There's a reason we've recalled two on loan left backs.

The whole Gil-Grealish-Traore thing's pretty obvious too, if you put our defence into the context. We're so bad at giving away goals (yesterday being yet another prime example, though the Everton result is the one that did it for the manager) that Garde does not trust them to either keep hold of the ball for any length of time, or track back, work hard etc. to protect what is without doubt the worst defence in Christendom.

So,  you're Remi Garde. You've inherited a squad of players, who can't score goals, don't create many chances, can't keep hold of possession, are vulnerable to the counter attack, have no confidence, aren't particularly fit, some of them aren't even interested in playing football. What do you do? How can you win football games if you're shipping easy goals, and only occasionally look like scoring?...Pack your midfield with people who will at least help protect your this shit defence of yours, hope to nick a win somewhere, somehow and slowly build confidence, add some of your own players in January, stamp your authority over the malcontents, maybe even mount a proper relegation fight in the second half of the season

Has it worked out? Obviously not, and I understand people wanting Traore to come on earlier/start when Sinclair offers absolutely nothing going forward, but to call Garde a coward? Well that's just bloody stupid that is.

OK, so if that is the case, which was the more important of the two games?  Home to mid table West Ham or a pretty much must win game against a fellow relegation rival?

Home to an injury ravaged West Ham, win that, build some confidence, then see who's fit enough to maybe sneak a point at Norwich. It didn't work, but what else could he do? Play Richardson and Clark against West Ham? That would have gone down well, and resulted in yet another abject defeat...Followed on 48 hours later by yet another, probably.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 29, 2015, 10:37:52 AM
I don't mind Bacuna. He's been asked to play different positions since he's been here and I think overall he's done ok for us. I had no idea where he was meant to be playing yesterday though, he looked a bit lost.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on December 29, 2015, 10:38:38 AM
At this point can't help feeling the club is doomed to fail

It just seems unbelievable they we can change players managers tactics coaches fitness trainers yet we still end up being shit.

Swansea where in trouble 2 games ago since they have gotten 4 points and kept 2 clean sheets ,if we could just fucking defend we might have a chance or even if we could not concede first but it's uphill every game

Garde seems a decent guy but the defence is still shit and there is nothing going forward ,other than Ayew we have zero goal threat.Player recruitment has been an issue of course for a whole list of reasons

1) Guzan needed to be replaced and Bunn clearly isn't capable of pushing him for a spot so why was he brought ?
2)Other than Sanchez there is no steel in midfield and for the most part yesterday we were outmuscled in the middle something which will continue in the championship if not rectified
3)Going into season we not proven top flight goal scorer was insanity
4)Richards ,Okore,Lescott ,Sendaros,Clark,Ilori ,Crespo 7 players who can play CB and really only Lescott/Okore have looked anywhere near solid enough how the fuck can you have 7 CBs and still not build a decent defence
5)Hutton yes he tries yes he runs up and down the wing but fuck a duck he is poor at defending at rarely creates anything form his runs upfield and his forward passing is abysmal



Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 29, 2015, 10:27:18 AM
I've got to say though, he made a right mess of that defensive line up yesterday. Okore, fair enough but i'd have left Lescott in and kept Bacuna at left back and just brought Richards in. Changing three out of the back four was just asking for trouble and at times they looked like a defence that hadn't played together before.

Yesterday was fully on him in my opinion. He deserves criticism for it but there needs to be perspective.  Goes with an insane line up at Sunderland and he will deserve sick again. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 29, 2015, 10:47:07 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 29, 2015, 10:27:18 AM
I've got to say though, he made a right mess of that defensive line up yesterday. Okore, fair enough but i'd have left Lescott in and kept Bacuna at left back and just brought Richards in. Changing three out of the back four was just asking for trouble and at times they looked like a defence that hadn't played together before.

For me, we cannot get to the situation quick enough where Richards is nowhere near being picked at centre-half. He's our best right-back, unless he's gone dramatically downhill since citeh. Persisting with him alongside Hutton as our right side isn't solving anything. Surely we'd be better off with at least one round peg in a round hole, then go from there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 10:49:11 AM
He is certainly not a centre half
 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 29, 2015, 10:54:07 AM
Just had a Spurs fan tell me that we need Premier League experience...I pointed out that our defence has it and is shit.
The blank look response while he worked it out and realised gave me no pleasure at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on December 29, 2015, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 29, 2015, 10:27:18 AM
I've got to say though, he made a right mess of that defensive line up yesterday. Okore, fair enough but i'd have left Lescott in and kept Bacuna at left back and just brought Richards in. Changing three out of the back four was just asking for trouble and at times they looked like a defence that hadn't played together before.

Yesterday was fully on him in my opinion. He deserves criticism for it but there needs to be perspective.  Goes with an insane line up at Sunderland and he will deserve sick again.

Because of their long standing knee issues, Okore and Lescott obviously cannot play two games in the space of 48 hours, so what was he supposed to do? Play them both and fuck their knees up for the next month or two? Bacuna could've stayed left back maybe, but would it have mattered?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 10:57:05 AM
We need a couple of players at the base of midfield that can organise the team and full backs that know their positions.  Just to make us solid.  Pulis pulled a master stroke getting Fletcher last January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 10:58:33 AM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on December 29, 2015, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 29, 2015, 10:27:18 AM
I've got to say though, he made a right mess of that defensive line up yesterday. Okore, fair enough but i'd have left Lescott in and kept Bacuna at left back and just brought Richards in. Changing three out of the back four was just asking for trouble and at times they looked like a defence that hadn't played together before.

Yesterday was fully on him in my opinion. He deserves criticism for it but there needs to be perspective.  Goes with an insane line up at Sunderland and he will deserve sick again.

Because of their long standing knee issues, Okore and Lescott obviously cannot play two games in the space of 48 hours, so what was he supposed to do? Play them both and fuck their knees up for the next month or two? Bacuna could've stayed left back maybe, but would it have mattered?

The rest of the side was my bigger issue.  We never carried a threat.  I understand and agree realise the centre backs but he got the set up wrong.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on December 29, 2015, 11:05:34 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 29, 2015, 10:37:52 AM
I don't mind Bacuna. He's been asked to play different positions since he's been here and I think overall he's done ok for us. I had no idea where he was meant to be playing yesterday though, he looked a bit lost.

And he is also the only player other than Ayew who will at least have a go at goal,
Every game he has a pop at goal a couple of times which is more than the rest of them do and shows some positive ness
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on December 29, 2015, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 10:58:33 AM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on December 29, 2015, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 29, 2015, 10:27:18 AM
I've got to say though, he made a right mess of that defensive line up yesterday. Okore, fair enough but i'd have left Lescott in and kept Bacuna at left back and just brought Richards in. Changing three out of the back four was just asking for trouble and at times they looked like a defence that hadn't played together before.

Yesterday was fully on him in my opinion. He deserves criticism for it but there needs to be perspective.  Goes with an insane line up at Sunderland and he will deserve sick again.

Because of their long standing knee issues, Okore and Lescott obviously cannot play two games in the space of 48 hours, so what was he supposed to do? Play them both and fuck their knees up for the next month or two? Bacuna could've stayed left back maybe, but would it have mattered?

The rest of the side was my bigger issue.  We never carried a threat.  I understand and agree realise the centre backs but he got the set up wrong.

Agreed, Richardson at left back and Bacuna back in midfield was a poor decision by him, but the likes of Gil, Grealish only leave our rubbish defence at the opposition's mercy. We could've tried Traore up front with Ayew and tried to play on the counter and through the channels, down the flanks. Garde knows what Guestede and Sinclair give him (not much) by now, but some of the criticism of him after the game (generated more by frustration than anything else) was a bit over the top and ill-informed I think.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: RussellC on December 29, 2015, 11:32:34 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 10:57:05 AM
We need a couple of players at the base of midfield that can organise the team and full backs that know their positions.  Just to make us solid.  Pulis pulled a master stroke getting Fletcher last January.

Yep. Fletcher and Jonny Evans would make a world of difference to our side. Tragic, isn't it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 29, 2015, 11:33:57 AM
I wish he would bring the subs on a bit quicker . The times we look shit and he has to  change things  but he seems too slow most games making these decisions.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 11:36:29 AM
I will say that Gil, Grealish and Traore don't help make themselves selectable through their lack of willingness to track back. If they were prepared to work harder at that I'm sure they'd get a chance. When you've got a team that has such a dreadful defence, then you need your forward players to work bloody hard to support them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 29, 2015, 11:39:40 AM
Take Ayew out of the team and there is no other goal scorer, or even someone who makes chances.  Traore merely flatters, Gil not strong enough for the premiership.

Nothing has changed at all since Sherwood was sacked.

I am just worried that Garde will now go out and spend any coppers given to him on more inadequate players.

I  am simply not convinced over Garde- tactics seem amiss, substitutions spare of the moment decisions, no improvement at the back etc etc  etc.

Options - now this is the problem area.  I would still go for Moyes, take the bullet of relegation this season and move on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on December 29, 2015, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 11:36:29 AM
I will say that Gil, Grealish and Traore don't help make themselves selectable through their lack of willingness to track back. If they were prepared to work harder at that I'm sure they'd get a chance. When you've got a team that has such a dreadful defence, then you need your forward players to work bloody hard to support them.

Yeah but without them the defence is still shockingly shit and we have little creativity up front to make things happen
At some point you have to be more positive because we are incapable of defending no matter what the back line is
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Olof's Beard on December 29, 2015, 11:52:16 AM
I have no idea how I failed to notice just how bad our squad was at the start of the season. A couple of injuries spell instant disaster. When Sanchez - who is himself inconsistent - went off against West Ham, it was like losing Messi for us. Nobody should doubt his important to this bunch of wimps. For all his faults, he is our only smidgen of strength in the middle and when he doesn't play, we get walked through.

So without him, it was also going to be difficult yesterday and he probably had to play Bacuna in midfield. If Okore and Lescott were also both out, then you have a big problem. He trusted experienced defenders to come in and do a job, but they all let him down. In hindsight, he might as well have fought fire with fire and just tried to outscore them by going gung-ho, but you can always at least see the logic behind his decisions.

His biggest mistake so far was in the aftermath of the Sanchez substitution when he put Gil wide right and dropped Veretout deeper so Westwood could take up Sanchez's position. Gil really can't defend out wide despite he efforts and can only be employed as a floater with no specific defensive duties. Lo and behold, there left back scores the goal after bounding forward, and Veretout and Gil were switched around in time for the second half, but we had already paid the price.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on December 29, 2015, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: john e on December 29, 2015, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 11:36:29 AM
I will say that Gil, Grealish and Traore don't help make themselves selectable through their lack of willingness to track back. If they were prepared to work harder at that I'm sure they'd get a chance. When you've got a team that has such a dreadful defence, then you need your forward players to work bloody hard to support them.

Yeah but without them the defence is still shockingly shit and we have little creativity up front to make things happen
At some point you have to be more positive because we are incapable of defending no matter what the back line is

Agree John.  Basing selection on what people can't do over what they can offer seems a negative mindset to begin with.  I would rather we found a way to accommodate the attacking flair players like Gil and Traore even if they don't offer a lot in defence.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on December 29, 2015, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: john e on December 29, 2015, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2015, 11:36:29 AM
I will say that Gil, Grealish and Traore don't help make themselves selectable through their lack of willingness to track back. If they were prepared to work harder at that I'm sure they'd get a chance. When you've got a team that has such a dreadful defence, then you need your forward players to work bloody hard to support them.

Yeah but without them the defence is still shockingly shit and we have little creativity up front to make things happen
At some point you have to be more positive because we are incapable of defending no matter what the back line is

They collectively do not understand that with their role comes responsibility. I think he's making that point to them, that you don't get the shirt if you don't work for it.

The problem is their hard working replacements are shite, so it's a hard message to enforce.

I do think however it's a very important issue to address, if we're ever to realise their potential, and lift the fug of ineptitude that envelopes us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 29, 2015, 12:11:47 PM
If RG had to pick a team out of the available players that are prepared to follow his instructions, not commit naïve mistakes, (although why naïve with all their experience, let's go for incompetence) and actually make a team effort - we would be fielding around 6 players per game, without a goalkeeper.
Bear that in mind when you blame his team selections, he's got bugger all to work with for a starting 11, never mind alternative/substitute selections.
I will only judge him when he has 11 of his own players to choose from.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 12:12:53 PM
It's ok defending Remi but yesterday he fucked up, no one will have looked at that starting line up and thought there was any other outcome than a defeat.

We are going down, it's 100% certain, so let's just forget playing Richardson, Hutton, Bacuna, Westwood and try blooding some younger players or finding a formation that actually works for us.

It can't get any worse, we lose all the time, barely ever score, are dull to watch and make basic errors like 10 year olds. I'm all for trying some younger players now. We gain nothing from carrying on the status quo so he needs to grow some balls and give it a go now. The only thing worse than losing every week is losing every week with the same players and mistakes for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on December 29, 2015, 12:17:32 PM
I not sure some people fully understand what a dysfunctional squad and club Garde has walked into. We're in an awful mess, but very little of it is of Garde's making. We've had five years of this utter crap, let's not be blaming the last bloke to walk through the door.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on December 29, 2015, 12:19:40 PM
The play the youngsters argument issue is you risk destroying them by bringing them into a losing team.Certainly it's not helped Grealish has it.Also not sure what youngsters we have who are up to it anyway.Sellers and Rushdan-Murphy maybe ,Lydon is already making the bench.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on December 29, 2015, 12:17:32 PM
I not sure some people fully understand what a dysfunctional squad and club Garde has walked into. We're in an awful mess, but very little of it is of Garde's making. We've had five years of this utter crap, let's not be blaming the last bloke to walk through the door.

I disagree, we've all unfortunately watched the shambles of Aston Villa getting routinely beaten the last 5 years, making dud appointment after dud appointment. What people are struggling to understand is why any manager worth his salt persists with finding a space for donkeys like Richardson and Bacuna.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on December 29, 2015, 12:19:40 PM
The play the youngsters argument issue is you risk destroying them by bringing them into a losing team.Certainly it's not helped Grealish has it.Also not sure what youngsters we have who are up to it anyway.Sellers and Rushdan-Murphy maybe ,Lydon is already making the bench.

I think what hasn't helped Grealish is he doesn't have the right attitude at the moment, agree that's it's a risk playing youngsters but one I'd take over watching these donkeys lose every week, I think the fans would get behind them. As for not knowing what youngsters we have with any talent, the only way to find out is to play them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on December 29, 2015, 12:21:56 PM
Bacuna, Westwood, Richardson, Clark, Sinclair (and even Richards), all players involved in the early games of the season and responsible for getting us into this position.
All recalled and/or involved in yesterdays disgrace.

Hasn't Remi learned that these offer nothing to the team ? 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 12:23:50 PM
Scott Sinclair is baffling, he actually does nothing on the pitch, so what is the point. It's laziness keep picking these guys on name alone. I can't accept we don't have anything better, because we aren't even trying, he does nothing on the pitch so what is worse than nothing?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on December 29, 2015, 12:26:59 PM
Excluding Kozak is bordering on negligence.
Even N'zobia has been given a game and a chance. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: RussellC on December 29, 2015, 12:29:52 PM
I understand the requirement for the wide-players to track-back in support of the full-backs, and agree that this is a weakness of all 3 players in question, but given the players at our disposal surely Garde would be better off not tasking our 2 full-backs with being our main attacking outlets and employing 2 holding midfielders, to allow 3 attacking players less responsibility and to be able to concentrate on actually hurting the opposition? Task them with pressing higher-up the pitch but then concentrate on steadying the defensive shape as it is, and maybe we wont concede so many goals from counter-attacks?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: achilles on December 29, 2015, 12:30:48 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on December 29, 2015, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 29, 2015, 10:27:18 AM
I've got to say though, he made a right mess of that defensive line up yesterday. Okore, fair enough but i'd have left Lescott in and kept Bacuna at left back and just brought Richards in. Changing three out of the back four was just asking for trouble and at times they looked like a defence that hadn't played together before.

Yesterday was fully on him in my opinion. He deserves criticism for it but there needs to be perspective.  Goes with an insane line up at Sunderland and he will deserve sick again.

Because of their long standing knee issues, Okore and Lescott obviously cannot play two games in the space of 48 hours, so what was he supposed to do? Play them both and fuck their knees up for the next month or two? Bacuna could've stayed left back maybe, but would it have mattered?

Regarding Lescott, then why buy him in the first place?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on December 29, 2015, 12:30:53 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on December 29, 2015, 12:17:32 PM
I not sure some people fully understand what a dysfunctional squad and club Garde has walked into. We're in an awful mess, but very little of it is of Garde's making. We've had five years of this utter crap, let's not be blaming the last bloke to walk through the door.

I disagree, we've all unfortunately watched the shambles of Aston Villa getting routinely beaten the last 5 years, making dud appointment after dud appointment. What people are struggling to understand is why any manager worth his salt persists with finding a space for donkeys like Richardson and Bacuna.

When we're confirmed as relegated in a month or so, and we mix things up because there's nothing left to play for, we'll see how good or bad the alternatives are. Shit runs through this squad like the writing in a stick of rock.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: RussellC on December 29, 2015, 12:35:00 PM
It's all very well saying that "we can only judge Garde once he's working with 11 of his own players" but then what was the point in sacking Sherwood so soon? Surely the idea was to bring in a Manager/Coach who could instantly improve performances and results with the players at his disposal? Garde's done neither.  I think even Tony Blair would struggle to justify the outlay on sacking yet another Managerial Team given what we've seen post-Sherwood and I have little faith that he'll be able to anything in January to even remotely improve us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on December 29, 2015, 12:47:15 PM
Quote from: RussellC on December 29, 2015, 12:35:00 PM
It's all very well saying that "we can only judge Garde once he's working with 11 of his own players" but then what was the point in sacking Sherwood so soon? Surely the idea was to bring in a Manager/Coach who could instantly improve performances and results with the players at his disposal? Garde's done neither.  I think even Tony Blair would struggle to justify the outlay on sacking yet another Managerial Team given what we've seen post-Sherwood and I have little faith that he'll be able to anything in January to even remotely improve us.

He was sacked because he undermined his Boss(es), slagged off his subordinates and had a terrible set of results.

Next!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 12:52:17 PM
If he had done a Lambert and sucked up to his superiors he probably would have got a contract extension next time he won a game.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 29, 2015, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: achilles on December 29, 2015, 12:30:48 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on December 29, 2015, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 10:46:05 AM
Quote from: Clampy on December 29, 2015, 10:27:18 AM
I've got to say though, he made a right mess of that defensive line up yesterday. Okore, fair enough but i'd have left Lescott in and kept Bacuna at left back and just brought Richards in. Changing three out of the back four was just asking for trouble and at times they looked like a defence that hadn't played together before.

Yesterday was fully on him in my opinion. He deserves criticism for it but there needs to be perspective.  Goes with an insane line up at Sunderland and he will deserve sick again.

Because of their long standing knee issues, Okore and Lescott obviously cannot play two games in the space of 48 hours, so what was he supposed to do? Play them both and fuck their knees up for the next month or two? Bacuna could've stayed left back maybe, but would it have mattered?

Regarding Lescott, then why buy him in the first place?

lescott was the the laziest shittest signing possible. signed on a two year contract when he only has the legs for one and it that time one of clark or okore isnt playing so at the end of the season you are back to square one.

add to lescott cole and senderos and you may as well just take 5 million quid and set fire to it/shove it up your arse
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 01:08:40 PM
Lescott has been ok in the last couple, and I would bet will be ok in the Championship alongside Okore next season.

I think Richards' reaction to Ian Wright criticising him on MOTD is about all you need to know about him. There are big problems in the squad, and I think he is a big issue in that.

Garde needs to sort it out, but who else does he play at full back at the moment?

Cissokho will be back in after Sunderland you would think at left back, and he may well sign a right back, which would start to give more options.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 01:11:31 PM
Is Ilori dead?

If he's not and not injured then he needs to be given a go or if he isn't pulling his weight behind the scenes, pay Liverpool the loan fee, cancel the loan and tell him to fuck off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 29, 2015, 01:17:49 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 01:11:31 PM
Is Ilori dead?

If he's not and not injured then he needs to be given a go or if he isn't pulling his weight behind the scenes, pay Liverpool the loan fee, cancel the loan and tell him to fuck off.

this

and im sure lescott could do a job in the championship as could westwood and gestede but then when we come back up they arent good enough and you are back to square one

the short termism and a retirement home for past it players looking for one last payday has to stop
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 01:19:44 PM
It must be disheartening for the few triers that we have at the club, those who want to get on, come in to training, put a shift in and maybe a little extra to see so many scroungers lingering around the club doing nothing, contributing nothing to the club, just hanging around and picking up their pay packets.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 29, 2015, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 01:19:44 PM
It must be disheartening for the few triers that we have at the club, those who want to get on, come in to training, put a shift in and maybe a little extra to see so many scroungers lingering around the club doing nothing, contributing nothing to the club, just hanging around and picking up their pay packets.

ladies and gentlemen i give you gabby our club captain

fuck me you couldnt have a worse role model for a young player
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 29, 2015, 01:32:13 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 12:23:50 PM
Scott Sinclair is baffling, he actually does nothing on the pitch, so what is the point. It's laziness keep picking these guys on name alone. I can't accept we don't have anything better, because we aren't even trying, he does nothing on the pitch so what is worse than nothing?

We looked better without him against spam and he was brought back in for norwich. Strange
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 29, 2015, 01:37:34 PM
When you look at ayew face sometimes , the way he looks at the other players as if to say, you really are shit.

I understand his frustration.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on December 29, 2015, 01:39:35 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 01:08:40 PM
Lescott has been ok in the last couple, and I would bet will be ok in the Championship alongside Okore next season.

I think Richards' reaction to Ian Wright criticising him on MOTD is about all you need to know about him. There are big problems in the squad, and I think he is a big issue in that.

Garde needs to sort it out, but who else does he play at full back at the moment?

Cissokho will be back in after Sunderland you would think at left back, and he may well sign a right back, which would start to give more options.

What did Ian Wirght say? And what was Richards reaction?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on December 29, 2015, 01:41:23 PM
basically 'you are a shit centre half'. 'No I'm not that's bang out of order'.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 01:42:19 PM
Richards has had a go on twitter about Wright saying his defending is slack and as captain he should be showing the way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on December 29, 2015, 01:42:43 PM
No point in keep blaming the manager the problems start at the Top. Even if we sorry when we get relegated I'd still keep him we can't keep changing managers
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on December 29, 2015, 01:47:59 PM
but at some point you have to blame the manager because he is the manager. I'd like to see Garde be more adventurous in his selections and start winning a few. But if  at the end of the season we have only won the odd game or heaven forbid, not a single furhter game, he position would be untenable wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2015, 01:49:48 PM
Ian Wright
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“People are saying that Villa will go down and when you look at this, you have to say they are right,” Wright said.

“When you look at Micah Richards for the first goal, he has to do more.

“It’s just slack. He’s the captain - he’s got to make more of an effort. These are the reasons why they’re going down.”

Micah
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@IanWright0 I respected you as a player! And your not a bad pundit but talking about me like that isn't on!!

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@IanWright0 what has captain got to do with it?

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@IanWright0  I can take constructive Criticism but not this!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on December 29, 2015, 01:53:36 PM
I don't believe I've ever used this phrase before, but I agree with Ian Wright.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on December 29, 2015, 01:54:12 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 01:42:19 PM
Richards has had a go on twitter about Wright saying his defending is slack and as captain he should be showing the way.

Why can't you see what Wright is saying ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on December 29, 2015, 01:56:16 PM
The Secret Footballer says the accusation of 'not trying' is by miles the worst insult you can throw at a player. It's better to call him a drug cheat than to accuse him of lacking effort.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 29, 2015, 01:57:45 PM
i agree with wright

pity richards doesnt put as much time and effort into his leadership on the pitch or reading "defending made easy for fuckwits"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on December 29, 2015, 02:00:15 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on December 29, 2015, 01:32:13 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on December 29, 2015, 12:23:50 PM
Scott Sinclair is baffling, he actually does nothing on the pitch, so what is the point. It's laziness keep picking these guys on name alone. I can't accept we don't have anything better, because we aren't even trying, he does nothing on the pitch so what is worse than nothing?

We looked better without him against spam and he was brought back in for norwich. Strange

I don't know why we persist in playing Sinclair in a striker role.  He is a wide player and should be playing out there. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on December 29, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
Quote from: RussellC on December 29, 2015, 12:29:52 PM
I understand the requirement for the wide-players to track-back in support of the full-backs, and agree that this is a weakness of all 3 players in question, but given the players at our disposal surely Garde would be better off not tasking our 2 full-backs with being our main attacking outlets and employing 2 holding midfielders, to allow 3 attacking players less responsibility and to be able to concentrate on actually hurting the opposition? Task them with pressing higher-up the pitch but then concentrate on steadying the defensive shape as it is, and maybe we wont concede so many goals from counter-attacks?
Spot on this is, don't use your left/right backs as your main creative outlets, use them as defenders first and foremost, play Grealish, Gil, Traore further up with a license to create, play Gana and Sanchez as holders, Garde cant be blamed for the shute thats gone on the past few years but he can be blamed for making the same niave mistakes that the others made, yesterday was a Garde fuck up however its sugar coated.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 02:02:10 PM
Ian Wright is spot on.  We conceded twice from goals scored less than 8 yards out and fairly central to the goal. For both neither of our centre halves are in the postcode of the striker.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2015, 02:09:04 PM
Why hasn't Garde played Richards at Right Back? Why did Garde play Richardson? Why did Garde plat Bacuna in midfield?Why play calamity Clark?
This is why the manager is getting stick, we had to win yesterday and he picked that bunch of crap.
There has been no improvement since Sherwood.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2015, 02:11:55 PM
As Okore was injured and we know Lescott doesn't have the legs to play 2 games in 3 days, who else should/could we have played at CB other than Richards and Clark?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 29, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
It's probable that one of the joining conditions Richards insisting on was that he plays centre back. He clearly fancies himself  as reincarnation of Bobby Moore. More fools us for agreeing to that if that was the case.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 29, 2015, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2015, 02:11:55 PM
As Okore was injured and we know Lescott doesn't have the legs to play 2 games in 3 days, who else should/could we have played at CB other than Richards and Clark?
You and Mellberg on crutches would have done better yesterday!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 29, 2015, 02:17:30 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 29, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
It's probable that one of the joining conditions Richards insisting on was that he plays centre back. He clearly fancies himself  as reincarnation of Bobby Moore. More fools us for agreeing to that if that was the case.
Which is what I think too olaf.
It doesn't make sense otherwise.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2015, 02:18:29 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 29, 2015, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2015, 02:11:55 PM
As Okore was injured and we know Lescott doesn't have the legs to play 2 games in 3 days, who else should/could we have played at CB other than Richards and Clark?
You and Mellberg on crutches would have done better yesterday!

I wouldn't even be able to manage being one of the crutches these days!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2015, 02:18:53 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2015, 02:11:55 PM
As Okore was injured and we know Lescott doesn't have the legs to play 2 games in 3 days, who else should/could we have played at CB other than Richards and Clark?
We don't know that Lescott could not play, that is just an assumption, what about Illori Crespo?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2015, 02:19:54 PM
Having seen him this season i'd say it's a fair bet he couldn't, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 02:21:37 PM
Senderos looked a better centre back than Richards and Clark.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2015, 02:29:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2015, 02:19:54 PM
Having seen him this season i'd say it's a fair bet he couldn't, wouldn't you?
Really not sure, some players recover quicker than others but get the point. Replacing both centre Backs and the left back was far from ideal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on December 29, 2015, 02:37:12 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2015, 01:49:48 PM
Ian Wright
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“People are saying that Villa will go down and when you look at this, you have to say they are right,” Wright said.

“When you look at Micah Richards for the first goal, he has to do more.

“It’s just slack. He’s the captain - he’s got to make more of an effort. These are the reasons why they’re going down.”

Micah
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@IanWright0 I respected you as a player! And your not a bad pundit but talking about me like that isn't on!!

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@IanWright0 what has captain got to do with it?

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@IanWright0  I can take constructive Criticism but not this!

Oh Dear! Thanks PWS.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: RussellC on December 29, 2015, 02:38:29 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 02:21:37 PM
Senderos looked a better centre back than Richards and Clark.

Completely agree. I can understand why he was the fall-guy with the squad-cuts, as he's invariably unavailable for 80% of the season, but - if he's fit - then one of the first things I'd be doing on January 1st would be finding a place in the squad for him. Above all else, he talks and organises, which none of Lescott, Richards, Okore or Clark seem to be able to do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: auntiesledd on December 29, 2015, 02:40:45 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on December 29, 2015, 01:42:43 PM
No point in keep blaming the manager the problems start at the Top. Even if we sorry when we get relegated I'd still keep him we can't keep changing managers

I'm in broad agreement with you, Phil. That said, Garde doesn't help himself by saying the dreadful results are down to the players being psychologically weak: rather than being shite. I'm of the opinion that the majority of our hapless arseholes are both mentally weak & technically limited - and I see nothing from our current manager that gives me confidence in his ability to instil the same in the players. His starting 11 yesterday was never going to get a positive result, yet he went ahead & played it regardless. We've not even witnessed the customary 'Dead Cat Bounce' since he came in and I see nothing to suggest that it's likely to happen. I feel sorry for the guy in all honesty - as he was mad enough to drink from our toxic chalice, but I'm sure a sharp exit and a large pay-off at the end of this wretched season will help soften the blow of abject failure. Triffick.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: auntiesledd on December 29, 2015, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2015, 01:49:48 PM
Ian Wright
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“People are saying that Villa will go down and when you look at this, you have to say they are right,” Wright said.

“When you look at Micah Richards for the first goal, he has to do more.

“It’s just slack. He’s the captain - he’s got to make more of an effort. These are the reasons why they’re going down.”

Micah
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@IanWright0 I respected you as a player! And your not a bad pundit but talking about me like that isn't on!!

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@IanWright0 what has captain got to do with it?

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@IanWright0  I can take constructive Criticism but not this!

Ahhhhhh. What a poor sensitive Lamb.

#pray4mica
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2015, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: auntiesledd on December 29, 2015, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2015, 01:49:48 PM
Ian Wright
Quote
“People are saying that Villa will go down and when you look at this, you have to say they are right,” Wright said.

“When you look at Micah Richards for the first goal, he has to do more.

“It’s just slack. He’s the captain - he’s got to make more of an effort. These are the reasons why they’re going down.”

Micah
Quote
@IanWright0 I respected you as a player! And your not a bad pundit but talking about me like that isn't on!!

Quote
@IanWright0 what has captain got to do with it?

Quote
@IanWright0  I can take constructive Criticism but not this!

Ahhhhhh. What a poor sensitive Lamb.

#pray4mica

Playrightback.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on December 29, 2015, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: olaftab on December 29, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
It's probable that one of the joining conditions Richards insisting on was that he plays centre back. He clearly fancies himself  as reincarnation of Bobby Moore. More fools us for agreeing to that if that was the case.
I've thought the same aftab. There can be no other reason than its in his contract.
That said, if he had anything about him and Remi said I need you to play RB this week,  his simple reply is, 'of course, boss'.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on December 29, 2015, 03:03:13 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2015, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: auntiesledd on December 29, 2015, 02:45:58 PM
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“People are saying that Villa will go down and when you look at this, you have to say they are right,” Wright said.

“When you look at Micah Richards for the first goal, he has to do more.

“It’s just slack. He’s the captain - he’s got to make more of an effort. These are the reasons why they’re going down.”

Micah
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@IanWright0 I respected you as a player! And your not a bad pundit but talking about me like that isn't on!!

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@IanWright0 what has captain got to do with it?

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@IanWright0  I can take constructive Criticism but not this!

Ahhhhhh. What a poor sensitive Lamb.

#pray4mica

Playrightback.

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Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 29, 2015, 08:38:50 PM
If Garde does not halt this string of defeats I can see him not being our manager in the Championship. By mutual consent is the phrase I believe. I suspect he is not a happy man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 29, 2015, 08:58:20 PM
Agreed. Also not sure if he will be able to handle the wrath of the crowd at VP for another 10 home games this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 29, 2015, 09:02:46 PM
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Quote from: olaftab on December 29, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
It's probable that one of the joining conditions Richards insisting on was that he plays centre back. He clearly fancies himself  as reincarnation of Bobby Moore. More fools us for agreeing to that if that was the case.
I've thought the same aftab. There can be no other reason than its in his contract.
That said, if he had anything about him and Remi said I need you to play RB this week,  his simple reply is, 'of course, boss'.
If Garde has any of the material found in great men like Saunders and Clough he should tell him straight what's best for the team and if he doesn't want to put himself out he can do one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on December 29, 2015, 09:11:13 PM
I think I'd be inclined to give Andre Green his debut at Sunderland. He looks stronger Than Westwood and more comfortable on the ball.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on December 29, 2015, 09:22:38 PM
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Ian Wright
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“People are saying that Villa will go down and when you look at this, you have to say they are right,” Wright said.

“When you look at Micah Richards for the first goal, he has to do more.

“It’s just slack. He’s the captain - he’s got to make more of an effort. These are the reasons why they’re going down.”

Micah
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@IanWright0 I respected you as a player! And your not a bad pundit but talking about me like that isn't on!!

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@IanWright0 what has captain got to do with it?

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@IanWright0  I can take constructive Criticism but not this!

Ahhhhhh. What a poor sensitive Lamb.

#pray4mica

#prayforyourgrammartoomicah
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 29, 2015, 09:43:45 PM
I think Remi is strong enough to handle the relegation it is the humiliation he will struggle with.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2015, 09:58:10 PM
The problem now is the players turning, he has had enough games in thier eyes to have made a difference. Now all is lost he will have a mountain of problems to deal with. He will need Randy to sanction some pretty big transfer losses.
It is imperative that the clear out starts now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 29, 2015, 10:24:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on December 29, 2015, 02:21:37 PM
Senderos looked a better centre back than Richards and Clark.

So did Collins for Wham on Saturday
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 29, 2015, 10:24:24 PM
There are some on here that preferred Pearson or Moyes rather than Garde and after 8 games are ripping into him.  There are some on here that because they cannot get their own way (Villa winning) are ripping into him.

Even though Okore was injured, some are still blaming Garde for making a change.  Lescott was an obvious change before the game as it was only 48 hours after the West Ham match.  Granted I only started watching the game from about 30 minutes in but from that point Bacuna was playing fullback and Richardson in midfield (did it start the other way around?) until Bacuna went off.  Not starting Gestede was his choice (many people have said that he is better coming on as substitute) and the replacement was going with one up top and the extra wide players to try and stop Norwich coming down the wings i.e. bring in Richardson.  It seems as though it doesn't matter how you shuffle the pack, it is still s***.  From the last 20 pages or so, it sounds as though he made half a dozen changes, not four, of which two were enforced by injury.

People go on about a new manager bounce but a dead cat doesn't bounce.  The squad was too weak in key positions at the start of the season, it was not prepared properly and certain players have not lived up to the level people thought they were capable of e.g. Richards, Gestede (there were people on here saying we should buy him before we actually did).  Some people seem to think a new manager can come in, click his fingers and the results will change.  It happened last season because primarily we had Benteke and secondly had a core of players that just about raised their game enough.

Nobody coming in new will save us unless they are given in excess of £50m and that expenditure is out of the question so what is the point of a new manager.  Unless it satisfies some supporters who do not want to give Garde a chance to show that they are wrong and that he is good enough.

If Garde is hounded out without given a chance to weed out the rubbish and bring players in with character and strength in what is looking as though will be a dead end of season, we should all hang our heads in shame as Villa supporters.  Some time we have to stop the merry-go-round and stabilise, even if in the Championship.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2015, 10:32:21 PM
OMV
There are very few calling for his head but there are a lot astonished by the selection on Saturday for a last chance saloon must win game.
He bottled it and is rightly getting criticised for it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 29, 2015, 11:02:20 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2015, 10:32:21 PM
OMV
There are very few calling for his head but there are a lot astonished by the selection on Saturday for a last chance saloon must win game.
He bottled it and is rightly getting criticised for it.

I think some are magnifying the situation though.  To my way of thinking, up until yesterday he had the big man up front option or the formation yesterday.  We are woefully weak in midfield without Sanchez and he went with numbers to try and make up for it.  We have seen what has happened when he has gone for flair.  In my opinion, the only change that I could criticise him for was Richardson because I do not rate him but have we got another wide left midfield player.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: auntiesledd on December 29, 2015, 11:12:34 PM
Quote from: CT on December 29, 2015, 09:22:38 PM
Quote from: auntiesledd on December 29, 2015, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2015, 01:49:48 PM
Ian Wright
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“People are saying that Villa will go down and when you look at this, you have to say they are right,” Wright said.

“When you look at Micah Richards for the first goal, he has to do more.

“It’s just slack. He’s the captain - he’s got to make more of an effort. These are the reasons why they’re going down.”

Micah
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@IanWright0 I respected you as a player! And your not a bad pundit but talking about me like that isn't on!!

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@IanWright0 what has captain got to do with it?

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@IanWright0  I can take constructive Criticism but not this!

Ahhhhhh. What a poor sensitive Lamb.

#pray4mica

#prayforyourgrammartoomicah

'Tis good to see somebody's in the 'Wide Awake Club'.   ;)

#ronglishlives
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: achilles on December 29, 2015, 11:37:11 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2015, 02:18:53 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2015, 02:11:55 PM
As Okore was injured and we know Lescott doesn't have the legs to play 2 games in 3 days, who else should/could we have played at CB other than Richards and Clark?
We don't know that Lescott could not play, that is just an assumption, what about Illori Crespo?

Exactly, and if that assumption about Lescott is correct why on earth did we sign him as he wouldn't have passed a medical?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2015, 12:53:09 AM
Plenty of players over 30 are signed that can't play twice in 3 days.

What happened to Garde building his coaching staff up a bit?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on December 30, 2015, 06:56:08 AM
Lescott hardly trains. One hand picked by Sherwood for their Premier League experience.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 30, 2015, 07:12:10 AM
In that very telling L'Equipe interview with Remi Garde when he said he arrived at Villa Park in an ambulance, the more the image grows that post Lambert we needed emergency medical attention but got, in the shape of Sherwood a bit of first aid and a slug of whisky.

Respectable relegation with a respected manager last season would have been very bad but preferable to the humiliation and ridicule being heaped on us now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on December 30, 2015, 07:46:44 AM
The numbers speak for themselves we have won one game all season and had luck on our side with that,
every week the manager is put in the position that he has to pick players that have proved all season to be incapable of playing at this level, we have had fortune on our side for many seasons now constantly giving the idiots in charge the chance to put things right but fortune eventually turns on the incompetent and our great club has to suffer for it. The constant failures have dulled the senses of the faithful but one day they will turn and it will not be pretty.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 30, 2015, 07:53:18 AM
ROB so long as those of us who are faithful are faithful to the club the actual personnel are irrelevant.  I shall be a Villa fan if we are playing in Aston Park with Gabby, Bacuna, Richardson and Guzan as goalposts.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on December 30, 2015, 08:52:29 AM
Quote from: brian green on December 30, 2015, 07:12:10 AM
In that very telling L'Equipe interview with Remi Garde when he said he arrived at Villa Park in an ambulance, the more the image grows that post Lambert we needed emergency medical attention but got, in the shape of Sherwood a bit of first aid and a slug of whisky.


I think it goes further back than that Brian.  After O'Neill left the club needed major surgery, but all that has been applied since are bandages and sticking plasters, none of which have worked.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 30, 2015, 09:15:23 AM
Yes Tom the metaphor of Villa being sick goes back much further. I just had a picture in my mind of Sherwood giving somebody who had been run over by a bus a good stiff drink and walking away.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on December 30, 2015, 09:21:15 AM
Every manager since O'Neil has had his hands tied behind his back, they don't get sympathy from me because they took it on knowing the score and they all made more money than most of us will ever see but everyone of them failed. If Garde is not backed by Lerner I hope he walks and keeps his reputation in tact for another day and another club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: amfy on December 30, 2015, 10:25:20 AM
The thing about 'new manager bounce' is that it isn't real.

 New manager bounce is personality led and doesn't last. A handful more games last season we would have gone down with Sherwood because it had already run out.

If Garde had brought a new manager bounce, we might have crawled up to 19th, 18th or even out of the relegation zone by now, but without any substance behind it, we would just drop back in well before the end of the season. I like his more measured approach of trying to build it slowly, and he is certainly far tougher than his history teacher look suggests.

I didn't like the selection on Saturday, but could see with Sanchez, Okore, & Lescott taken out, what he was trying to do. The worse mistake was not changing it when it wasn't working. He tried to compensate for our weakened defensive situation, by packing midfield, but it was completely ineffective because no-one looked really sure what they were doing, probably because it was a last minute plan. It is the first time I have really bemoaned him not 'going for it', because on this occasion, we had nothing else that had any chance of working.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AV82EC on December 30, 2015, 10:57:36 AM
Quote from: amfy on December 30, 2015, 10:25:20 AM
The thing about 'new manager bounce' is that it isn't real.

 New manager bounce is personality led and doesn't last. A handful more games last season we would have gone down with Sherwood because it had already run out.

If Garde had brought a new manager bounce, we might have crawled up to 19th, 18th or even out of the relegation zone by now, but without any substance behind it, we would just drop back in well before the end of the season. I like his more measured approach of trying to build it slowly, and he is certainly far tougher than his history teacher look suggests.

I didn't like the selection on Saturday, but could see with Sanchez, Okore, & Lescott taken out, what he was trying to do. The worse mistake was not changing it when it wasn't working. He tried to compensate for our weakened defensive situation, by packing midfield, but it was completely ineffective because no-one looked really sure what they were doing, probably because it was a last minute plan. It is the first time I have really bemoaned him not 'going for it', because on this occasion, we had nothing else that had any chance of working.

This.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on December 30, 2015, 11:01:12 AM
Quote from: amfy on December 30, 2015, 10:25:20 AM
The thing about 'new manager bounce' is that it isn't real.

 New manager bounce is personality led and doesn't last. A handful more games last season we would have gone down with Sherwood because it had already run out.

If Garde had brought a new manager bounce, we might have crawled up to 19th, 18th or even out of the relegation zone by now, but without any substance behind it, we would just drop back in well before the end of the season. I like his more measured approach of trying to build it slowly, and he is certainly far tougher than his history teacher look suggests.

I didn't like the selection on Saturday, but could see with Sanchez, Okore, & Lescott taken out, what he was trying to do. The worse mistake was not changing it when it wasn't working. He tried to compensate for our weakened defensive situation, by packing midfield, but it was completely ineffective because no-one looked really sure what they were doing, probably because it was a last minute plan. It is the first time I have really bemoaned him not 'going for it', because on this occasion, we had nothing else that had any chance of working.

I think the worst thing was not keeping Bacuna at left back. Whilst it not being ideal, hasn't really let us down there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on December 30, 2015, 11:38:42 AM
Yes agree on new manager bounce. It works in relegation situations if the team is in the fight, which we are not, with about 10 games to go. It's not sustainable over a long period.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on December 30, 2015, 12:19:34 PM
Quote from: amfy on December 30, 2015, 10:25:20 AM
The thing about 'new manager bounce' is that it isn't real.

 New manager bounce is personality led and doesn't last. A handful more games last season we would have gone down with Sherwood because it had already run out.

If Garde had brought a new manager bounce, we might have crawled up to 19th, 18th or even out of the relegation zone by now, but without any substance behind it, we would just drop back in well before the end of the season. I like his more measured approach of trying to build it slowly, and he is certainly far tougher than his history teacher look suggests.

I didn't like the selection on Saturday, but could see with Sanchez, Okore, & Lescott taken out, what he was trying to do. The worse mistake was not changing it when it wasn't working. He tried to compensate for our weakened defensive situation, by packing midfield, but it was completely ineffective because no-one looked really sure what they were doing, probably because it was a last minute plan. It is the first time I have really bemoaned him not 'going for it', because on this occasion, we had nothing else that had any chance of working.

Great post amfy, I've kind of taken a weird solace that we didn't get the 'bounce' with this one.

I think maybe the things those sort of managers use to get the bounce, may be also the seeds of their undoing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on December 30, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on December 30, 2015, 09:21:15 AM
Every manager since O'Neil has had his hands tied behind his back, they don't get sympathy from me because they took it on knowing the score and they all made more money than most of us will ever see but everyone of them failed. If Garde is not backed by Lerner I hope he walks and keeps his reputation in tact for another day and another club.

Houllier and McLeish were arguably more wasteful than MON in the transfer market. They landed us with such deals as Makoun (Bent kept us up so I will leave him out even though he was a badly utilised resource), N'Zogbia, Given and Hutton who was subsequently frozen out for two years before being made a key player on an improved contract! Downing, Milner and Young all went for double what we paid but the club failed to adequately replace those players. In 2009 our midfield options were Barry, Milner, Young, Petrov, NRC & Sidwell and by 2012 it was Bannan, Westwood, Holman, Delph & N'Zogbia. Sound investment?

And that is the nub of the problem at villa . In every year since MON left the club has made extremely poor decisions and when selling players has failed to adequately replace them. The heart was ripped out of our team and replaced with poor players. Barring one or two exceptions (Benteke obviously, Okore and, being generous to the club, Lowton, Westwood and Bacuna) our signings have been absolutely atrocious. Wasters like N'Zogbia, flops like Makoun plus bargain basement purchases like Tonev, Bowery, Dawkins, El Ahmadi, Luna, Grant Holt, Helenius, Joe Cole, Sylla, Kieran Richardson. Gavin McCann looks like a world beater compared to some of the players who have lined up in our midfield in recent seasons.

Over the last few seasons we have been well warned by the football Gods about where our approach was taking us. Yet we have blindly continued along the same path and in the summer we failed to replace Benteke's goals. We finished 17th last season with Benteke and Delph in the side. We clearly needed a big investment in that team to pull away from the relegation places. Yes, we did invest in the team but we sold its two best players. Benteke kept us up for three seasons and we replaced him with a Championship player who is only good in the air. Ayew seems to be the long awaited upgrade on Weimann/Gabby.

We have failed to reach 40 points in three of the last four seasons and in none of the last four years have we matched the dizzy heights of the 42 points, eight clear of Birmingham in 18th place, achieved in the season before Randy bought the club. Failing to buy a recognised, premier league goalscorer after we sold Benteke was absolute madness but fits in with the villa we have come to know since 2010/11. The sad thing is the club's hierarchy absolutely deserves what is happening to it right now. They have been playing Russian Roulette and it has caught up with them.

For the fans this has been a slow death by a thousand cuts. Yes, we have scraped survival over the last half decade but we have smashed so many unwanted records in the process. For the most part we have fielded teams lacking character & ability and have been a soft touch conceding late goals while rolling over too easily. Traditionalists like myself may not like the way football is now but sadly you either adapt or get left behind and we are being left behind. Did we ever imagine we would be envious of sides fielder by Southampton, Swansea, Leicester, Watford? Each year the list grows longer and I am not sure our team will be cut out for the battles of the Championship. Lerner's failures have left this club with a very uncertain future. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 30, 2015, 12:37:32 PM
I know he doesn't deserve the lion's share of the blame for this woeful season but let's face it, no win in your first 8 games as a manager is pretty shite.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on December 30, 2015, 12:45:20 PM
Remi Garde is adjusting to managerial life in this division as are a great deal of the players on the pitch.  For that alone Garde needs to be cut a little slack.  He's going to make mistakes but, as long as they're not continually repeated then we have to give the man time.  It becomes a different story if he doesn't learn.  See Sherwood, Tim.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: preston28 on December 30, 2015, 01:08:33 PM
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on December 30, 2015, 12:37:32 PM
I know he doesn't deserve the lion's share of the blame for this woeful season but let's face it, no win in your first 8 games as a manager is pretty shite.

Does that not reflect the extremely poor squad & lack of depth rathe than the manager? I doubt any manager would get much out of this poor inept bunch of players?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on December 30, 2015, 01:40:21 PM
It's like buying a Ford Focus and lining it up in a race against Formula 1 cars. It doesn't matter how good the driver is, or how much the mechanics can fine tune out of the engine, you will not be able to compete in the race, waiting for another car to crash or break down has been the way we have survived for the last 3 seasons.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on December 30, 2015, 01:41:25 PM
Would any one one wanted Pardew when he was at Newcastle , would anyone want him now at Palace who he has got to 5th?

Managers can make a difference  but that can take time if the ground work ins't there to start with.Pardew is benefiting from being left a solid side by Pulis and has a chairmen who actually knows what he is doing.Same at Leicester ,Ranairi is benefiting from being left a team high on form with decent players brought from great scouting.

Put it this way Ranairi / Pardew both flying high at current clubs if there were Villa boss would they be do any better than Garde , I'm no so sure and equally I think you could have put Garde in at Leicester and they would be in a similar place.

As pointed out above the bounce under Sherwood was short lived IMO I think the FA Cup final was one of worst things that could of happened , the board forgot about the  league and got complacent thinking we would push on when reality is we have continued to struggle.

As for spending in the Summer we were one of the highest and net spend over the last 5 years we have spent as high as some others ( we have generated little in sales ) yet still we have not fashioned a decent side.Leicester are 2nd with a team costing less than we paid for Veretout /Ayew and Amavi.We have just continually purchased poorly.An example is buying Gestede and having no decent crossers in the side after letting 2 wingers go for free in Albrighton and Jordan Graham who are both doing well at Leicester and Wolves.We did the same with Bent a striker who needed wingers and we sold our best ones and didn't replace them.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on December 30, 2015, 01:44:30 PM
Remi hasn't been the most inspiring so far but he's a long term appointment hopefully with more substance than style.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on December 30, 2015, 01:59:32 PM
If you buy a bunch of cheap French players who have no experience at this level and may or may not be able to cut it, it makes perfect sense to get a manager to match.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: auntiesledd on December 30, 2015, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on December 30, 2015, 01:44:30 PM
Remi hasn't been the most inspiring so far but he's a long term appointment hopefully with more substance than style.

I'm yet to be convinced whether RG is the right man for the poisonous job, but I'd be astonished to see him stay long term. Unless he fancies continuing to work with a squad that will inevitably be devoid of any real quality & commitment, that is. I'm of the opinion that he'll be all too aware of the constraints (now historically) bestowed upon his position & will look to save any credibility he may still possess at the end of this season by doing a sharp offski. And frankly who the Hell could blame him?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: achilles on December 30, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
People forget that according to Fox, Remi agreed that the Villa did good transfer business over the summer and Remi was perfectly happy with the signings!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: auntiesledd on December 30, 2015, 03:00:54 PM
Quote from: achilles on December 30, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
People forget that according to Fox, Remi agreed that the Villa did good transfer business over the summer and Remi was perfectly happy with the signings!

Presumably it was due to being able to have some 'bantz' with some of  'em in his native tongue...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2015, 03:05:28 PM
I would imagine watching Ayew , Amavi and Veretout he was quite happy. Shame the rest of the squad is so bloody fragile.

I hope Remy doesn't become Garde' Adebayor this window. We have to look at other options too. We need more than one striker in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on December 30, 2015, 03:06:51 PM
Loic Remy would do nicely.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villa for life on December 30, 2015, 03:13:07 PM
Most people seem to agree that RG hasn't got off to a good start. Some still agree with his appointment as a long term project. Yet, if he buys a few players this transfer window and there is still no real improvement in results in the second half of the season, should we stick with him?
If we do, then there's a real risk of a protracted stay in the championship.
If we don't, it's back to square one with a new manager who will want his own players...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on December 30, 2015, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on December 30, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on December 30, 2015, 09:21:15 AM
Every manager since O'Neil has had his hands tied behind his back, they don't get sympathy from me because they took it on knowing the score and they all made more money than most of us will ever see but everyone of them failed. If Garde is not backed by Lerner I hope he walks and keeps his reputation in tact for another day and another club.

Houllier and McLeish were arguably more wasteful than MON in the transfer market. They landed us with such deals as Makoun (Bent kept us up so I will leave him out even though he was a badly utilised resource), N'Zogbia, Given and Hutton who was subsequently frozen out for two years before being made a key player on an improved contract! Downing, Milner and Young all went for double what we paid but the club failed to adequately replace those players. In 2009 our midfield options were Barry, Milner, Young, Petrov, NRC & Sidwell and by 2012 it was Bannan, Westwood, Holman, Delph & N'Zogbia. Sound investment?

And that is the nub of the problem at villa . In every year since MON left the club has made extremely poor decisions and when selling players has failed to adequately replace them. The heart was ripped out of our team and replaced with poor players. Barring one or two exceptions (Benteke obviously, Okore and, being generous to the club, Lowton, Westwood and Bacuna) our signings have been absolutely atrocious. Wasters like N'Zogbia, flops like Makoun plus bargain basement purchases like Tonev, Bowery, Dawkins, El Ahmadi, Luna, Grant Holt, Helenius, Joe Cole, Sylla, Kieran Richardson. Gavin McCann looks like a world beater compared to some of the players who have lined up in our midfield in recent seasons.

Over the last few seasons we have been well warned by the football Gods about where our approach was taking us. Yet we have blindly continued along the same path and in the summer we failed to replace Benteke's goals. We finished 17th last season with Benteke and Delph in the side. We clearly needed a big investment in that team to pull away from the relegation places. Yes, we did invest in the team but we sold its two best players. Benteke kept us up for three seasons and we replaced him with a Championship player who is only good in the air. Ayew seems to be the long awaited upgrade on Weimann/Gabby.

We have failed to reach 40 points in three of the last four seasons and in none of the last four years have we matched the dizzy heights of the 42 points, eight clear of Birmingham in 18th place, achieved in the season before Randy bought the club. Failing to buy a recognised, premier league goalscorer after we sold Benteke was absolute madness but fits in with the villa we have come to know since 2010/11. The sad thing is the club's hierarchy absolutely deserves what is happening to it right now. They have been playing Russian Roulette and it has caught up with them.

For the fans this has been a slow death by a thousand cuts. Yes, we have scraped survival over the last half decade but we have smashed so many unwanted records in the process. For the most part we have fielded teams lacking character & ability and have been a soft touch conceding late goals while rolling over too easily. Traditionalists like myself may not like the way football is now but sadly you either adapt or get left behind and we are being left behind. Did we ever imagine we would be envious of sides fielder by Southampton, Swansea, Leicester, Watford? Each year the list grows longer and I am not sure our team will be cut out for the battles of the Championship. Lerner's failures have left this club with a very uncertain future. 


Good to see you back. Agreed in the main but the lack of a proven Premier League striker certainly hasn't stopped Watford from prospering. Two strikers proven only at Championship level who have maintained their form in the PL at a team that had a more turbulent summer than anyone - changing manager with a huge turnover of players. Maybe Watford are an anomaly but even for all the wrong-headed decisions we've made with strategy and recruitment - and most Villa fans seemed to be happy with our signings in the summer; by fate, luck or whatever else, we've not performed close to what we should have done.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on December 30, 2015, 03:20:08 PM
I think you have to give him some targets. If we get more than a point a game from now until the end of the season, considering we have 25 in the calendar year, that would be enough to give him the summer to rebuild for me. Only win once and get 10 points from 19 and you will struggle to convince anyone he should stay longer. I hope he does the former as I think he has something we should put faith in and give some time too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gareth on December 30, 2015, 03:37:06 PM
What is fundamental is that come November 2016 we aren't having to change the manager again because he isn't up to a Championship campaign.  None of us know Remi or have had any dealings with him but the fact there isn't a grain of football acumen at board level makes you wonder whether it was even a consideration in the recruitment process?  Did they recruit him for a survival (ha!) attempt or was a genuine plan formulated in the event of going down?

I sincerely hope Remi is the man but he (& we) have an horrific 6/7 months ahead before we can even look at starting games on a level playing field....

A club without a plan but shrouded in boardroom arrogance & playing cowardice gets its comeuppance!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2015, 03:52:51 PM
Quote from: Legion on December 30, 2015, 03:06:51 PM
Loic Remy would do nicely.

it would be amazing what a quality goalscorer could do for the confidence of this side. Nothing more gutting than creating chances and nobody there to finish them. And at the other end nothing worse than defending well only for one player to do something stupid for it all to fall apart. Especially if that player is the goalkeeper. Get a forward and a competent goalkeeper in it will help build confidence quickly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 30, 2015, 03:54:15 PM
I could see him working well with Ayew. Shame it's come too late for us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on December 30, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on December 30, 2015, 12:45:20 PM
Remi Garde is adjusting to managerial life in this division as are a great deal of the players on the pitch.  For that alone Garde needs to be cut a little slack.  He's going to make mistakes but, as long as they're not continually repeated then we have to give the man time.  It becomes a different story if he doesn't learn.  See Sherwood, Tim.

I agree. I actually think Garde is the most imaginative appointment that this board has made. He seems like the kind of guy who can fix things whatever division we are in. Sherwood, Lambert and McLeish allowed things to fester whereas Garde has come in and set a standard as young Jack and Gabby have learned. For what it's worth I am not sure Tim Sherwood should ever have been appointed manager of Aston Villa but that's another day's work!

ps thanks for the welcome eamonn. I am only back momentarily because I cannot quite believe my eyes at the moment and needed somewhere to vent my frustration. Sad times, I never thought it could get this bad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: auntiesledd on December 30, 2015, 03:59:34 PM
Quote from: Legion on December 30, 2015, 03:06:51 PM
Loic Remy would do nicely.

According to TalkShite, Hiddink doesn't want any Chelski players going out during the window.

Edit: They've now updated their earlier slice of 'news' and said Hiddink wants to keep both Remy & Fabrigas for (presumably) the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 30, 2015, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on December 30, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on December 30, 2015, 12:45:20 PM
Remi Garde is adjusting to managerial life in this division as are a great deal of the players on the pitch.  For that alone Garde needs to be cut a little slack.  He's going to make mistakes but, as long as they're not continually repeated then we have to give the man time.  It becomes a different story if he doesn't learn.  See Sherwood, Tim.

I agree. I actually think Garde is the most imaginative appointment that this board has made. He seems like the kind of guy who can fix things whatever division we are in. Sherwood, Lambert and McLeish allowed things to fester whereas Garde has come in and set a standard as young Jack and Gabby have learned. For what it's worth I am not sure Tim Sherwood should ever have been appointed manager of Aston Villa but that's another day's work!

ps thanks for the welcome eamonn. I am only back momentarily because I cannot quite believe my eyes at the moment and needed somewhere to vent my frustration. Sad times, I never thought it could get this bad.

Good to see you back Mel. Your initial post above made me realise how many awful players we have signed in the past 3-4 years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on December 30, 2015, 06:09:06 PM
Quote from: achilles on December 30, 2015, 02:26:36 PM
People forget that according to Fox, Remi agreed that the Villa did good transfer business over the summer and Remi was perfectly happy with the signings!

Yes man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nastylee on December 30, 2015, 06:11:10 PM
If Remy did become available I would imagine there would be a number of clubs in for him and none of them would be as shit as us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on December 30, 2015, 06:21:34 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on December 30, 2015, 04:22:02 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on December 30, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on December 30, 2015, 12:45:20 PM
Remi Garde is adjusting to managerial life in this division as are a great deal of the players on the pitch.  For that alone Garde needs to be cut a little slack.  He's going to make mistakes but, as long as they're not continually repeated then we have to give the man time.  It becomes a different story if he doesn't learn.  See Sherwood, Tim.

I agree. I actually think Garde is the most imaginative appointment that this board has made. He seems like the kind of guy who can fix things whatever division we are in. Sherwood, Lambert and McLeish allowed things to fester whereas Garde has come in and set a standard as young Jack and Gabby have learned. For what it's worth I am not sure Tim Sherwood should ever have been appointed manager of Aston Villa but that's another day's work!

ps thanks for the welcome eamonn. I am only back momentarily because I cannot quite believe my eyes at the moment and needed somewhere to vent my frustration. Sad times, I never thought it could get this bad.

Good to see you back Mel. Your initial post above made me realise how many awful players we have signed in the past 3-4 years.

Welcome back Mel.  As you know only too well what they'd say to you over here: "Sure, as you're here you may as well stay".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on December 30, 2015, 07:19:07 PM

Quote from: Irish villain on December 30, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
Houllier and McLeish were arguably more wasteful than MON in the transfer market. They landed us with such deals as Makoun (Bent kept us up so I will leave him out even though he was a badly utilised resource), N'Zogbia, Given and Hutton who was subsequently frozen out for two years before being made a key player on an improved contract! Downing, Milner and Young all went for double what we paid but the club failed to adequately replace those players. In 2009 our midfield options were Barry, Milner, Young, Petrov, NRC & Sidwell and by 2012 it was Bannan, Westwood, Holman, Delph & N'Zogbia. Sound investment?

And that is the nub of the problem at villa . In every year since MON left the club has made extremely poor decisions and when selling players has failed to adequately replace them. The heart was ripped out of our team and replaced with poor players. Barring one or two exceptions (Benteke obviously, Okore and, being generous to the club, Lowton, Westwood and Bacuna) our signings have been absolutely atrocious. Wasters like N'Zogbia, flops like Makoun plus bargain basement purchases like Tonev, Bowery, Dawkins, El Ahmadi, Luna, Grant Holt, Helenius, Joe Cole, Sylla, Kieran Richardson. Gavin McCann looks like a world beater compared to some of the players who have lined up in our midfield in recent seasons.

Over the last few seasons we have been well warned by the football Gods about where our approach was taking us. Yet we have blindly continued along the same path and in the summer we failed to replace Benteke's goals. We finished 17th last season with Benteke and Delph in the side. We clearly needed a big investment in that team to pull away from the relegation places. Yes, we did invest in the team but we sold its two best players. Benteke kept us up for three seasons and we replaced him with a Championship player who is only good in the air. Ayew seems to be the long awaited upgrade on Weimann/Gabby.

We have failed to reach 40 points in three of the last four seasons and in none of the last four years have we matched the dizzy heights of the 42 points, eight clear of Birmingham in 18th place, achieved in the season before Randy bought the club. Failing to buy a recognised, premier league goalscorer after we sold Benteke was absolute madness but fits in with the villa we have come to know since 2010/11. The sad thing is the club's hierarchy absolutely deserves what is happening to it right now. They have been playing Russian Roulette and it has caught up with them.

For the fans this has been a slow death by a thousand cuts. Yes, we have scraped survival over the last half decade but we have smashed so many unwanted records in the process. For the most part we have fielded teams lacking character & ability and have been a soft touch conceding late goals while rolling over too easily. Traditionalists like myself may not like the way football is now but sadly you either adapt or get left behind and we are being left behind. Did we ever imagine we would be envious of sides fielder by Southampton, Swansea, Leicester, Watford? Each year the list grows longer and I am not sure our team will be cut out for the battles of the Championship. Lerner's failures have left this club with a very uncertain future. 

Reading this sanguine summary of our recent history makes my eyes bleed. Thx, nonetheless, for documenting the pain of the last 5 years.
Is Remi G the Messiah? Will he perform a miracle of escapism? Regardless of the answer, I hope he has the will and the way to steer us in a new and purposeful direction. At the moment it is bleak.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on December 30, 2015, 07:29:24 PM
I do think we need to stick with Remi Garde even we get relegated. We have to hope with 3 or 4 new players it give us the necessary quality and leadership and fight and more goals for Villa and clean sheets.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 30, 2015, 08:40:35 PM
Quote from: villa for life on December 30, 2015, 03:13:07 PM
Most people seem to agree that RG hasn't got off to a good start. Some still agree with his appointment as a long term project. Yet, if he buys a few players this transfer window and there is still no real improvement in results in the second half of the season, should we stick with him?
If we do, then there's a real risk of a protracted stay in the championship.
If we don't, it's back to square one with a new manager who will want his own players...

I do not agree.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on December 30, 2015, 08:47:47 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on December 30, 2015, 07:29:24 PM
I do think we need to stick with Remi Garde even we get relegated. We have to hope with 3 or 4 new players it give us the necessary quality and leadership and fight and more goals for Villa and clean sheets.

Agreed
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 30, 2015, 09:10:12 PM
If Garde does little else this season other than sorting out the attitude of the players and lays out a plan for the future, I will be satisfied.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2015, 09:14:18 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on December 30, 2015, 09:10:12 PM
If Garde does little else this season other than sorting out the attitude of the players and lays out a plan for the future, I will be satisfied.

Unfortunately that may be all that is left. We need to win some games or we will be starting pre season 2016 early.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on December 30, 2015, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on December 30, 2015, 09:14:18 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on December 30, 2015, 09:10:12 PM
If Garde does little else this season other than sorting out the attitude of the players and lays out a plan for the future, I will be satisfied.

Unfortunately that may be all that is left. We need to win some games or we will be starting pre season 2016 early.

If he sorts out the attitude, I think the results will take care of themselves, although too late to save us.  it will set us right for next season though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Eigentor on December 30, 2015, 10:49:52 PM
I guess Garde is an appointment for the long term, so it doesn't make sense to sack him if he is a failure in the short term.

Furthermore, it seems that his first priority isn't tactics, coaching and game plans. Rather, it is to establish that Villa, to be successful, need players who sees playing for the club as a privelege. Players who want to win the ball, run rather than jog, get back into the game when it seems lost. I'm not sure it's a popular message among (many of) our current players.

When we slipped into the relegation zone under Houllier, he said that the players who had brought us there should take reponsibility to get us out of it. It seems to work to some degree (allthough the signing of Bent also had something to do with it). Since then the quality and attitude of our players have slipped further, and I doubt that that kind of message would have the same effect now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on December 31, 2015, 01:47:03 AM
I hope he has some money and ideas about how best to spend it to get players in who can galvanise the team in January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 31, 2015, 07:53:40 AM
Quote from: Louzie04Remi on December 31, 2015, 01:47:03 AM
I hope he has some money and ideas about how best to spend it to get players in who can galvanise the team in January.

the ideas bit is a worry
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2015, 08:08:20 AM
We need some proof between now and the end of the season that he's the man for the job. Being a bit less shit than Sherwood isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 31, 2015, 08:15:59 AM
for me i want to see some changes starting at blunderland

if i see justhead starting up front and bacuna at leftback then there really is no hope

throw in traore, what about hepburn murphy just anything apart from the same old shit that we have had for half a season, show some balls!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 31, 2015, 08:26:23 AM
The most immediate and basic thing Remi Garde has to do is to sort out the dressing room. You cannot even begin to hope to win games or survive in any league until you have a team on the pitch and on the bench who at the very least try to get along with each other. Sherwood's legacy to Garde was a dressing room in turmoil.  In the same way MON gave us the finger so did Sherwood with his final shit stir of the dressing room with his never-wanted-them-in-the-first-place media release.

My big fear is that Garde will find the whole task insurmountable and will leave us to wallow.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on December 31, 2015, 09:09:04 AM
me too Brian although my new year resolution is to be a bit less 'god knows i'm miserable now 'and a bit more 'the only way is up!'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 31, 2015, 09:22:32 AM
Quote from: brian green on December 31, 2015, 08:26:23 AM
The most immediate and basic thing Remi Garde has to do is to sort out the dressing room. You cannot even begin to hope to win games or survive in any league until you have a team on the pitch and on the bench who at the very least try to get along with each other. Sherwood's legacy to Garde was a dressing room in turmoil.  In the same way MON gave us the finger so did Sherwood with his final shit stir of the dressing room with his never-wanted-them-in-the-first-place media release.

My big fear is that Garde will find the whole task insurmountable and will leave us to wallow.
This and thrice this
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on December 31, 2015, 10:08:48 AM
I've not been impressed with Gards's team sheets, but I don't want him gone

I think he will get time and only Fox etc can see what he's doing off the pitch in getting stuff sorted out, this will be key and it's something we will know little about

I argued in favour of the last two managers for longer than I should have, in fact even now would probably see Sherwood in a better light than most others on here,

but I'm turning into Risso now and just say what I see, and what I see isn't a great deal yet, he can't do a lot and has been dealt a shitty hand, but he can motivate he can pick better lineups, he can make better subs and make them earlier when it's obvious thing arnt going well, and he's failed to do this so far

I'm sticking with him, I like a lot of other stuff about the guy, but as Risso says we need to see something on the pitch to give us something to believe in before the inevitable drop
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 31, 2015, 10:18:07 AM
I was reasonably happy with his team selections for the West Ham and Newcastle games, but I agree the subs can be an issue. In fairness to him though I think he probably has in his mind which players in the existing squad will start when fit, he then needs to bring on the young players like Adama and bring in his own players in Jan.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2015, 10:20:20 AM
Well, he's had chance to see that the defence is shit, and the forward line excluding Ayew is horrific, so hopefully he can do something about it. Remy would be a start.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 31, 2015, 10:22:44 AM
See I think that Lescott and Okore actually looked reasonable together and Lescott seemed to benefit from being captain. I think if fit, and that's a bit if, they're worth persevering with as a pairing. Shove Richards to right back and get in a decent left back and then the back four might look a bit better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on December 31, 2015, 10:32:26 AM
I agree with the general thrust of Riss and John's posts. There have to be visible improvements for Remi's own sake as much as for the players and the fans. Rigor mortis must not be allowed to set in, relegation or no relegation.

My personal gut feeling, strengthened by contacts with those better connected than I, is that there are worse problems behind the scenes than we actually are allowed to know about.  Remi has more on his plate than meets the eye. Villa's future will be defined this coming January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 31, 2015, 10:43:34 AM
I've suspected that there are bigger problems behind the scenes for a while. It's purely supposition on my part, but there's no way a club can just have the feel about it that Villa do for so long without there being big problems. It doesn't seem to matter who comes in, be that managers or players, we seem to be in a inescapable spiral downwards. Even beyond the obvious statisical evidence, there's just a general intangible dark cloud over the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rigadon on December 31, 2015, 10:55:47 AM
Quote from: brian green on December 31, 2015, 10:32:26 AM
I agree with the general thrust of Riss and John's posts. There have to be visible improvements for Remi's own sake as much as for the players and the fans. Rigor mortis must not be allowed to set in, relegation or no relegation.

My personal gut feeling, strengthened by contacts with those better connected than I, is that there are worse problems behind the scenes than we actually are allowed to know about.  Remi has more on his plate than meets the eye. Villa's future will be defined this coming January.


Do you mean financially, Brian?  Or squad unrest.  Or both.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on December 31, 2015, 11:14:26 AM
Villa seems to be one of those failing businesses that the Beeb send a fixer into for a documentary, and then when some major flaw in the model is exposed someone says "but it's always been done like that."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lizz on December 31, 2015, 11:47:56 AM
At the risk of sounding naive, and I'm old and ugly enough to take that risk, behind the scenes problems don't bring about a 'the end is nigh' reaction from me - even if it is. Every place I've worked has behind the scenes problems to varying degrees. It certainly suits the current situation as an added ingredient to the drama. I'm not happy about the prospect of relegation at all, no ideas on how to improve things either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 31, 2015, 11:52:23 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 31, 2015, 10:43:34 AM
I've suspected that there are bigger problems behind the scenes for a while. It's purely supposition on my part, but there's no way a club can just have the feel about it that Villa do for so long without there being big problems. It doesn't seem to matter who comes in, be that managers or players, we seem to be in a inescapable spiral downwards. Even beyond the obvious statisical evidence, there's just a general intangible dark cloud over the club.

I agree with this.  I'm probably in the minority here but I actually think we have spent enough over the years too, enough to not be where we are right now anyway.  So there must be something else rotten at the club which is preventing us from moving forward.  Brian, if you can, it would be great if you could elaborate a tad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on December 31, 2015, 11:52:49 AM
I'd imagine that when a club is winning, the inevitable problems that go on from day-to-day don't seem as bad. When you have a losing mentality, I bet nobody even bothers to bring in milk for the office fridge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on December 31, 2015, 12:04:51 PM
I think we should try not bringing in footballs as that might improve our game
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on December 31, 2015, 12:05:48 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on December 31, 2015, 12:04:51 PM
I think we should try not bringing in footballs as that might improve our game

It worked for Mike Bassett. England made the World Cup Semis.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on December 31, 2015, 12:07:26 PM
marvellous - football without footballs ; we'd be very good at that I think. A new game called no balls
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 31, 2015, 01:36:44 PM
Of course there are behind the scenes problems, it starts at the top and permeates its way through the whole organisation. The 2015 92 club league table tell you how rotten it really is.
The idea that just appointing a new manager can solve the problem is sheer bunkum.
We have become the British Leyland of British football.
Awful Leadership, terrible management, shit product and the workers running amok.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ronshirt on December 31, 2015, 07:41:19 PM
Quote from: brian green on December 31, 2015, 10:32:26 AM

My personal gut feeling, strengthened by contacts with those better connected than I, is that there are worse problems behind the scenes than we actually are allowed to know about.



It's The Gnasher.

When they get round to making a film about the last few seasons he'll be the barber persuading Villa managers to go for the three day stubble look. Think Peter Cook.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on December 31, 2015, 07:54:44 PM
There are problems behind the scenes, there are problems in front of the scenes. And the scenes themselves are fairly problematic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 31, 2015, 09:06:31 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on December 31, 2015, 07:54:44 PM
There are problems behind the scenes, there are problems in front of the scenes. And the scenes themselves are fairly problematic.
And no one wants to create a scene which is another problem.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Drummond on December 31, 2015, 11:47:47 PM
For the last few years I've been going into failing services /businesses /teams and turning them round. It's all about motivating the unmotivated, putting systems in place for people to follow and setting clear expectations. And getting rid of drains and blockers. Plus bringing in good operators to set good examples and new blood who can learn from scratch.

I've had some pretty rotten stuff to sort out but nothing is insurmountable.

Villa need to start again. It's clear that we've never dealt with the bad apples. By creating the bomb squad and other such situations we've merely prolonged the pain I stead of cutting our losses and just getting rid. Ultimately the cost of relegation will far outweigh the loss of training after fees for a few players. (For example, why haven't we got shut of N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Sender's etc rather than having unhappy, unplayable shit in and around the squad?)

I'm all for giving each manager a shot, some say good things, others look lost. But for once we just need to get a fucking grip of things. If we don't we'll just keep on dropping.

Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on January 01, 2016, 12:06:19 AM
Take all the non performers and troublemakers off the list and tell them they are finished at Villa and don't let them near the squad. We may have trouble filling twenty five spots but you have to start somewhere.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 01, 2016, 12:11:27 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 01, 2016, 12:06:19 AM
Take all the non performers and troublemakers off the list and tell them they are finished at Villa and don't let them near the squad. We may have trouble filling twenty five spots but you have to start somewhere.
We'd have trouble filling eleven to be fair.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 01, 2016, 12:15:04 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 01, 2016, 12:06:19 AM
Take all the non performers and troublemakers off the list and tell them they are finished at Villa and don't let them near the squad. We may have trouble filling twenty five spots but you have to start somewhere.
I'd be all for this. I'd give some youngsters a bit of playing time rather than over the hill toss like Richardson, who is so done at this level it's not funny. And if our academy isn't producing talent for at least Championship level, it needs burning down. We surely can raise more talented than dross like Bacuna.

Get in some experienced players who will actually fight and still have legs and help bring our foreign imports and talented youngster together.

Gabby seems a bit poisonous, as do a few others.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2016, 01:24:36 AM
Quote from: supertom on January 01, 2016, 12:15:04 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 01, 2016, 12:06:19 AM
Take all the non performers and troublemakers off the list and tell them they are finished at Villa and don't let them near the squad. We may have trouble filling twenty five spots but you have to start somewhere.
I'd be all for this. I'd give some youngsters a bit of playing time rather than over the hill toss like Richardson, who is so done at this level it's not funny. And if our academy isn't producing talent for at least Championship level, it needs burning down. We surely can raise more talented than dross like Bacuna.

Get in some experienced players who will actually fight and still have legs and help bring our foreign imports and talented youngster together.

Gabby seems a bit poisonous, as do a few others.

I agree wit the point in bold.  I actually think there is a nucleus of decent talent at the club in the likes of Okore, Veretout, Amavi, Ayew, Grealish and Gil.  What we desperately need are the players, as you say, that will bring them together.  Real leaders down the spune of the team - keeper, centre back, central midfield and striker would be a good start.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on January 01, 2016, 06:17:47 AM
Feel a little sorry for Grealish he hasn't had decent role models at the club as he?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 01, 2016, 07:11:59 AM
Our much heralded Academy has proved to be complete toss, all the talk from Stevie Me a few years back about Villa being a really good side in a few years, complete toss.

As well as Garde having a tough job clearing out the deadwood we also need to start producing something worthwhile from the Academy instead of nearly but not quite's.

KMacs legacy has been destroyed by the way they've pretty much all turned out to be duds
as well as the horrendous management experience he gave us at Newcastle and Tottenham.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 01, 2016, 08:37:07 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 01, 2016, 01:24:36 AM
Quote from: supertom on January 01, 2016, 12:15:04 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 01, 2016, 12:06:19 AM
Take all the non performers and troublemakers off the list and tell them they are finished at Villa and don't let them near the squad. We may have trouble filling twenty five spots but you have to start somewhere.
I'd be all for this. I'd give some youngsters a bit of playing time rather than over the hill toss like Richardson, who is so done at this level it's not funny. And if our academy isn't producing talent for at least Championship level, it needs burning down. We surely can raise more talented than dross like Bacuna.

Get in some experienced players who will actually fight and still have legs and help bring our foreign imports and talented youngster together.

Gabby seems a bit poisonous, as do a few others.

I agree wit the point in bold.  I actually think there is a nucleus of decent talent at the club in the likes of Okore, Veretout, Amavi, Ayew, Grealish and Gil.  What we desperately need are the players, as you say, that will bring them together.  Real leaders down the spune of the team - keeper, centre back, central midfield and striker would be a good start.

I agree. If we could get someone of the ilk of Inler that we have been linked with it would be good.  Vastly experienced and still got plenty to offer and a leader in midfield.  Barry would have been perfect 18 months ago. I think Boro were clever getting Downing back last summer for similar reasons.  Even keeping someone like Vlaar might have been worth doing to keep the experience and using him when fit.  Since Petrov retired though we have been devoid of experienced leadership on the pitch. I can understand the links to Toulalan and Mandanda to give that too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on January 01, 2016, 08:48:14 AM
Quote from: Drummond on December 31, 2015, 11:47:47 PM

Villa need to start again. It's clear that we've never dealt with the bad apples. By creating the bomb squad and other such situations we've merely prolonged the pain I stead of cutting our losses and just getting rid. Ultimately the cost of relegation will far outweigh the loss of training after fees for a few players. (For example, why haven't we got shut of N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Sender's etc rather than having unhappy, unplayable shit in and around the squad?)

I'm all for giving each manager a shot, some say good things, others look lost. But for once we just need to get a fucking grip of things. If we don't we'll just keep on dropping.

Happy New Year.

The drift in standards after 2010 is something to behold and you could probably write a book about how we went from top six to relegation fodder in a couple of seasons. For me it is epitomised by us replacing Milner with Stephen Ireland, going from Houllier to McLeish, selling Downing & Young and replacing them with N'Zogbia, having players like KEA as fist teamers, giving Lambert a year too long (and a new contract, WTF?) but really the list is endless.

We have had zero leadership in the last half decade. We have gone from one extreme to the other, we have had indecision and we have had bad decisions. If Lerner wasn't up to running the club he should have appointed people who were able. That was another failure of leadership that has contributed to the malaise and drift.

I am no accountant but surely the effort at balancing the books and reducing the wage bill will have been pretty pointless if we are relegated given how much of a hit our income will take? Will it all have been worth the pain financially if we go down?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 01, 2016, 09:15:57 AM
our only hope financially will be to get promoted at the first attempt, although I suppose the parachute payments will ease some of the pain. as ever my fear is that we can't trust anyone to decision make/ spend what we have wisely as your post more than adequately proves
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 01, 2016, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 01, 2016, 12:06:19 AM
Take all the non performers and troublemakers off the list and tell them they are finished at Villa and don't let them near the squad. We may have trouble filling twenty five spots but you have to start somewhere.

Although most will agree with the sentiment we cannot loose site of these tossers being business commodities that have investment and value against them. Undoubtedly we will lose out financially when we eventually remove the dross like Nzogbia et al but no business can afford to just write off so much stock value, so they player for player have to reduce the loss or its financial suicide.

I think there has been a toxic atmosphere at vp for a good few years, started by Dunne and Collins and maintained by the likes of Gabby and added to with the likes of Richards.
Although i am resigned to us going this year i still feel there is a decent nucleus in the squad and we need to at the very least have some continuity so would like to keep Garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 01, 2016, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 01, 2016, 07:11:59 AM
Our much heralded Academy has proved to be complete toss, all the talk from Stevie Me a few years back about Villa being a really good side in a few years, complete toss.

As well as Garde having a tough job clearing out the deadwood we also need to start producing something worthwhile from the Academy instead of nearly but not quite's.

KMacs legacy has been destroyed by the way they've pretty much all turned out to be duds
as well as the horrendous management experience he gave us at Newcastle and Tottenham.

I think you make a good point.  It's all very well people hoping that we follow in Southampton's footsteps when we go down, and rebuild, but where's the evidence that we're any good at bringing through kids who are good enough for the Premier League?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 01, 2016, 01:36:01 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 01, 2016, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 01, 2016, 07:11:59 AM
Our much heralded Academy has proved to be complete toss, all the talk from Stevie Me a few years back about Villa being a really good side in a few years, complete toss.

As well as Garde having a tough job clearing out the deadwood we also need to start producing something worthwhile from the Academy instead of nearly but not quite's.

KMacs legacy has been destroyed by the way they've pretty much all turned out to be duds
as well as the horrendous management experience he gave us at Newcastle and Tottenham.

I think you make a good point.  It's all very well people hoping that we follow in Southampton's footsteps when we go down, and rebuild, but where's the evidence that we're any good at bringing through kids who are good enough for the Premier League?
We need to be giving them a better chance. How many of our 18 year old kids have we loaned out this season too? Probably not enough.

I think we've at the very least got youngsters who can make it in the championship. Gardner and Baker will do okay there. I would hope we're still bringing through players at least of that level.

We've given far too many squad spots to fucking useless donkey's, piss poor cheap foreign imports and kids from League 1-2 clubs over the last 4 years.
We could have spent the money more wisely on better players to get a reasonable first 18, and then brought through a few youngsters as and when. Obviously you don't throw too many in at once, but we can ease more in. There are lads scoring for fun in the yoofs. We had Rushian make one appearence. But then what? Why not loan him out in Jan?

I still think we have one of the better academies. We're one of all too few clubs at the higher levels who still make use of their academy, but we don't do it enough given how well we do at Youth and reserve level. Not everyone will be a Grealish but at the very least we might raise kids, who if well handled, and shown a bit more faith, might work for us in the Championship and then hopefully the Prem.
How on Earth can we not bring through better than Westwood, Bacuna, Sylla, Tonev, etc, etc????
If we can't, then you're probably right, it's shit. But I reckon we probably can. Not being funny but Daniel Johnson would be pushing to get in our side now. I think we missed out on him.

I'd rather we had a decent spine with which to build around with useful squad players and our better youngsters. But we don't. We have summers of signing 7-8-13 players, who for the most part are mediocre. I'd rather make 3-4 good signings in a window and then perhaps invest more in the academy to ensure that we're bringing through players good enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 01, 2016, 02:50:57 PM
Good point Supertom. We are struggling for a left back, we look to the under 21's and have Kinsella who is 21 and has played 2 games for Luton and that's it.

Why hasn't he been on loan from a much younger age building up experience? If the answer is because he's shit and no one wants him then why is he still on our books? If that isn't the answer then why has he had so little match experience by now? It's a failing of the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2016, 02:56:00 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 01, 2016, 02:50:57 PM
Good point Supertom. We are struggling for a left back, we look to the under 21's and have Kinsella who is 21 and has played 2 games for Luton and that's it.

Why hasn't he been on loan from a much younger age building up experience? If the answer is because he's shit and no one wants him then why is he still on our books? If that isn't the answer then why has he had so little match experience by now? It's a failing of the club.

He has been on loan to Luton.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 01, 2016, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 01, 2016, 02:56:00 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 01, 2016, 02:50:57 PM
Good point Supertom. We are struggling for a left back, we look to the under 21's and have Kinsella who is 21 and has played 2 games for Luton and that's it.

Why hasn't he been on loan from a much younger age building up experience? If the answer is because he's shit and no one wants him then why is he still on our books? If that isn't the answer then why has he had so little match experience by now? It's a failing of the club.

He has been on loan to Luton.

And played how many games?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2016, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 01, 2016, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 01, 2016, 02:56:00 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 01, 2016, 02:50:57 PM
Good point Supertom. We are struggling for a left back, we look to the under 21's and have Kinsella who is 21 and has played 2 games for Luton and that's it.

Why hasn't he been on loan from a much younger age building up experience? If the answer is because he's shit and no one wants him then why is he still on our books? If that isn't the answer then why has he had so little match experience by now? It's a failing of the club.

He has been on loan to Luton.

And played how many games?

Three according to Wikipedia. It's not many and maybe he will move on eventually, who knows.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 01, 2016, 03:09:10 PM
A clean sweep of coaching staff would do harm.  MacDonald, McAndrew and Cowans have been here for over 20 years and some new ideas wouldn't go amiss.  Plus Kevin MacDonald's team selections post Sherwood were mind boggling to say the least.

Have to say as much as he's a legend, Gordon Cowans has never shown much to suggest he's a brilliant coach.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 01, 2016, 03:10:59 PM
Yes, some fresh blood at that level of the club is needed I'd say.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on January 01, 2016, 03:14:30 PM
Kinsella would have had about 12 Premier games if we had started playing him when we should of.
Daniel Johnson should of been given a chance and look.at what Jordan Graham is doing at Wolves.
All cock ups from the Club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 01, 2016, 03:21:20 PM
These players should be going out at 17/18 and learning like Grealish did, not reaching the age of 21 with 2/3 competitive games under their belt.

They should be coming back to us, under 20 with 50-100 first team games, not sitting around playing pretend football for 4 years. What are they learning playing u21 football?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BC54 VFC on January 01, 2016, 03:28:07 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 01, 2016, 03:09:10 PM
A clean sweep of coaching staff would do harm.  MacDonald, McAndrew and Cowans have been here for over 20 years and some new ideas wouldn't go amiss.  Plus Kevin MacDonald's team selections post Sherwood were mind boggling to say the least.

Have to say as much as he's a legend, Gordon Cowans has never shown much to suggest he's a brilliant coach.

Tony McAndrew is the pick of those three; sentiment should be put aside and the other two got rid of.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gareth on January 01, 2016, 03:45:38 PM
Quote from: BC54 VFC on January 01, 2016, 03:28:07 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 01, 2016, 03:09:10 PM
A clean sweep of coaching staff would do harm.  MacDonald, McAndrew and Cowans have been here for over 20 years and some new ideas wouldn't go amiss.  Plus Kevin MacDonald's team selections post Sherwood were mind boggling to say the least.

Have to say as much as he's a legend, Gordon Cowans has never shown much to suggest he's a brilliant coach.

Tony McAndrew is the pick of those three; sentiment should be put aside and the other two got rid of.

I would expect a director of football remit to be heavily focused on the academy - advocating a clean sweep of those coaches because the first team is doing badly is dangerous, they should be judged on the work they are doing with the next generation - the Hepburn-Murphy / Sellars / Toner's etc.

The youth system will bring players to a certain point then the first team coaches take over to continue the development - seems to me that is the step where it fails and the DoF needs to judge whether there are holes in quality of player / process to develop to first team and how to rectify.  It might be the staff does need a shake up but binning long serving people for changes sake sounds off to me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 01, 2016, 06:14:26 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 01, 2016, 03:21:20 PM
These players should be going out at 17/18 and learning like Grealish did, not reaching the age of 21 with 2/3 competitive games under their belt.

They should be coming back to us, under 20 with 50-100 first team games, not sitting around playing pretend football for 4 years. What are they learning playing u21 football?

my thoughts exactly

at 21 a player should be good enough for the first team or shipped out

i raised the poinj of kinsella a couple of weeks ago, if he is that shit that he cant make the team with as shit as we are he needs to go

grealish apart we have bought no one through in 4 seasons so what is the point of the academy?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 01, 2016, 06:18:45 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on January 01, 2016, 06:14:26 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 01, 2016, 03:21:20 PM
These players should be going out at 17/18 and learning like Grealish did, not reaching the age of 21 with 2/3 competitive games under their belt.

They should be coming back to us, under 20 with 50-100 first team games, not sitting around playing pretend football for 4 years. What are they learning playing u21 football?

my thoughts exactly

at 21 a player should be good enough for the first team or shipped out

i raised the poinj of kinsella a couple of weeks ago, if he is that shit that he cant make the team with as shit as we are he needs to go

grealish apart we have bought no one through in 4 seasons so what is the point of the academy?

At 21 Peter Withe was being sacked by Barrow and Paul McGrath was a security guard.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2016, 06:21:39 PM
Just because a player can't make the first team doesn't make them shit. Someone mentioned Jordan Graham earlier I think. He's done well for Wolves but didn't get a sniff of our first team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2016, 06:24:43 PM
At 21 Jamie Vardy was playing for Stocksbridge Park Steels.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2016, 06:30:27 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on January 01, 2016, 06:14:26 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 01, 2016, 03:21:20 PM
These players should be going out at 17/18 and learning like Grealish did, not reaching the age of 21 with 2/3 competitive games under their belt.

They should be coming back to us, under 20 with 50-100 first team games, not sitting around playing pretend football for 4 years. What are they learning playing u21 football?

at 21 a player should be good enough for the first team or shipped out


good luck in your defence of this point. I'd suggest you hire this bloke

(http://cdn-1.historyguy.com/biofiles/cochran%20glove.jpg)

but he'd dead.

I'll add mine. At 21 Ian Wright wasn't even a professional footballer. In fact he'd done a spell in jail before joining Palace at 22 for driving without insurance because he was too poor to afford it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on January 01, 2016, 06:32:19 PM
Johnny Cochrane topped himself when he realised he couldn't hold a candle to any of the lawyers on H and V.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2016, 06:33:12 PM
Drogba was signing his first pro contract at 21 in the French second division.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on January 01, 2016, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2016, 06:33:12 PM
Drogba was signing his first pro contract at 21 in the French second division.

Can you imagine the meltdown on here if we'd have signed him from there?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 01, 2016, 06:37:21 PM
totally different as they hadnt yet been discovered

if we have had a player for 2, 3, 4 years or longer and at 21 they arent knocking on the door of the first team what are we meant to do with them?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2016, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on January 01, 2016, 06:37:21 PM
totally different as they hadnt yet been discovered

if we have had a player for 2, 3, 4 years or longer and at 21 they arent knocking on the door of the first team what are we meant to do with them?

Thwow them to the floor?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 01, 2016, 06:38:14 PM
Loan them out for experience?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2016, 06:38:41 PM
Melt them down and make new ones.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on January 01, 2016, 06:38:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 01, 2016, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on January 01, 2016, 06:37:21 PM
totally different as they hadnt yet been discovered

if we have had a player for 2, 3, 4 years or longer and at 21 they arent knocking on the door of the first team what are we meant to do with them?

Thwow them to the floor?

Have them quietly executed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 01, 2016, 06:38:58 PM
Shoot them?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2016, 06:39:15 PM
I got one. Miroslav Klose didn't make his Bundesliga appearance until he was 22. He joined Kaiserslautern when he was 21 in 1999 from FC Homburg and only made his debut the year after. I can't believe they even signed him given his age at the time, and after all he's made nothing of his career.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 01, 2016, 06:39:45 PM
Never heard of him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2016, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on January 01, 2016, 06:37:21 PM
totally different as they hadnt yet been discovered

if we have had a player for 2, 3, 4 years or longer and at 21 they arent knocking on the door of the first team what are we meant to do with them?

remove their finger nails with pliers?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on January 01, 2016, 06:40:29 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 01, 2016, 06:38:58 PM
Shoot them?

Too noisy, unless you have a silencer. Hanging, probably.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 01, 2016, 06:40:48 PM
It's incredible to think that 2 years ago Rickie Lambert was a goat herder and Jamie Vardy was unable to get into his school team. You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 01, 2016, 06:41:31 PM
Japanese water torture.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 01, 2016, 06:42:12 PM
Make them watch every game from start to finish of the last 5 and a bit seasons on a repeat loop.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on January 01, 2016, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 01, 2016, 06:40:48 PM
It's incredible to think that 2 years ago Rickie Lambert was a goat herder and Jamie Vardy was unable to get into his school team. You couldn't make it up.

Grant Holt wasn't even born until the age of 23.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2016, 06:43:06 PM
Crucifixion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on January 01, 2016, 06:43:29 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 01, 2016, 06:42:12 PM
Make them watch every game from start to finish of the last 5 and a bit seasons on a repeat loop.

We're all making jokey suggestions and then there's always one sick person who just has to take it too far. Shame on you!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 01, 2016, 06:44:24 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 01, 2016, 06:38:14 PM
Loan them out for experience?

at 21?

hendrie, vassel, samuel, moore brothers, all had first team experience way before 21
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2016, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Richard E on January 01, 2016, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 01, 2016, 06:40:48 PM
It's incredible to think that 2 years ago Rickie Lambert was a goat herder and Jamie Vardy was unable to get into his school team. You couldn't make it up.

Grant Holt wasn't even born until the age of 23.

That's just made me laugh out loud (or is it pmsl, I forget which). Lovely stuff.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 01, 2016, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 01, 2016, 06:21:39 PM
Just because a player can't make the first team doesn't make them shit. Someone mentioned Jordan Graham earlier I think. He's done well for Wolves but didn't get a sniff of our first team.

Sometimes it might need a change of scenery for a player to kick on. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2016, 06:48:08 PM
Dado Pršo was a car mechanic and playing in French amateur leagues, he was 25yrs old when Tigana (Monaco coach) saw him play by accident.

OGS was playing for no name 3rd division Norwegian club until he was 22 when Molde took a chance on him. Another player that football should have given up on because hadn't made it at 21.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2016, 06:48:37 PM
Make him drive to Dundee in his bare feet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2016, 06:49:20 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 01, 2016, 06:48:37 PM
Make him drive to Dundee in his bare feet.

In a Flinstones style car.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 01, 2016, 06:51:52 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 01, 2016, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 01, 2016, 06:21:39 PM
Just because a player can't make the first team doesn't make them shit. Someone mentioned Jordan Graham earlier I think. He's done well for Wolves but didn't get a sniff of our first team.

Sometimes it might need a change of scenery for a player to kick on.
Or be given a chance and not persist with crap like Tonev
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2016, 07:04:50 PM
Persist? Tonev started 6 league games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 01, 2016, 07:05:49 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 01, 2016, 07:04:50 PM
Persist? Tonev started 6 league games.
That was 6 too many.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 01, 2016, 07:08:19 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on January 01, 2016, 06:44:24 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 01, 2016, 06:38:14 PM
Loan them out for experience?

at 21?

hendrie, vassel, samuel, moore brothers, all had first team experience way before 21

And Jimmy Brown had been sold to Preston.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Drummond on January 01, 2016, 07:22:46 PM
Repeat Chinese burns until they run away.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 01, 2016, 07:27:18 PM
Wedgie the lot of them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 01, 2016, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 01, 2016, 06:42:12 PM
Make them watch every game from start to finish of the last 5 and a bit seasons on a repeat loop.
You are Donald Rumsfeld and I claim my $5.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2016, 09:26:08 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 01, 2016, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 01, 2016, 06:42:12 PM
Make them watch every game from start to finish of the last 5 and a bit seasons on a repeat loop.
You are Donald Rumsfeld and I claim my $5.

Given the choice I'll accept a good session or two of waterboarding instead.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 01, 2016, 09:54:54 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on January 01, 2016, 06:44:24 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 01, 2016, 06:38:14 PM
Loan them out for experience?

at 21?

hendrie, vassel, samuel, moore brothers, all had first team experience way before 21

Yes of course they should.  Pritchard is 22, he not only improved as a player but probably increased his value by a good few million with his performances at Brentford last season.  Numerous examples with Chelsea too. 

When players' values are increasing as they are it is arguably better to own as many players as you can. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on January 01, 2016, 11:17:47 PM
When I was 21 I was nowhere near the Villa first team. Look at me now!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: A Northern Soul on January 01, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Tom Fox quoted on SSN tonight "we are building something special and Remi Garde is a massive part of what we are trying to build". God help us when we are only building something average then...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 01, 2016, 11:32:49 PM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on January 01, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Tom Fox quoted on SSN tonight "we are building something special and Remi Garde is a massive part of what we are trying to build". God help us when we are only building something average then...

The man is an idiot. A disrespectful idiot as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on January 01, 2016, 11:39:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 01, 2016, 11:32:49 PM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on January 01, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Tom Fox quoted on SSN tonight "we are building something special and Remi Garde is a massive part of what we are trying to build". God help us when we are only building something average then...

The man is an idiot. A disrespectful idiot as well.
A grade A knob.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 01, 2016, 11:42:22 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on January 01, 2016, 11:39:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 01, 2016, 11:32:49 PM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on January 01, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Tom Fox quoted on SSN tonight "we are building something special and Remi Garde is a massive part of what we are trying to build". God help us when we are only building something average then...

The man is an idiot. A disrespectful idiot as well.
A grade A knob.

Well I suppose you could say it takes a special kind of fuckwittery to turn a club as big as Villa into a championship outfit but boy are they getting there!

Seriously, could this buffoon insult our intelligence any further?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2016, 11:43:17 PM
Fox reminds me of this chap.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on January 01, 2016, 11:44:26 PM
If January goes by without significant change taking place and improvements we can all see, then Tom Fox will be a knob.
Until then I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Despite the depths to which we have just...etc.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 01, 2016, 11:54:41 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 01, 2016, 11:42:22 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on January 01, 2016, 11:39:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 01, 2016, 11:32:49 PM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on January 01, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Tom Fox quoted on SSN tonight "we are building something special and Remi Garde is a massive part of what we are trying to build". God help us when we are only building something average then...

The man is an idiot. A disrespectful idiot as well.
A grade A knob.

Well I suppose you could say it takes a special kind of fuckwittery to turn a club as big as Villa into a championship outfit but boy are they getting there!

Seriously, could this buffoon insult our intelligence any further?
I am sure if he sticks around enough he will certainly try, unless this is just another false narrative. What a wanker.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 01, 2016, 11:56:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2016, 11:43:17 PM
Fox reminds me of this chap.



Christ he genuinely looks like him as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on January 01, 2016, 11:57:12 PM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on January 01, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Tom Fox quoted on SSN tonight "we are building something special and Remi Garde is a massive part of what we are trying to build". God help us when we are only building something average then...

If he builds it, they will come.

The "they" in question is not us, though. We are getting the shaft. To paraphrase the late Frank Zappa: "Now bend over and spread 'em. Here comes Tom's bullet". 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2016, 11:59:30 PM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on January 01, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Tom Fox quoted on SSN tonight "we are building something special and Remi Garde is a massive part of what we are trying to build". God help us when we are only building something average then...

Yeah, just like we were when we had Sherwood and Lambert. Jeez, what a head up his own arse moron. Clearly, we are building from the bottom up, in every sense of the word.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 02, 2016, 12:01:22 AM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on January 01, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Tom Fox quoted on SSN tonight "we are building something special and Remi Garde is a massive part of what we are trying to build". God help us when we are only building something average then...

Someone needs to get one of those canes with a big brass hand on the end and follow this muppet round rapping him on the head with it until he comes to his senses. I've barely heard someone talk as much drivel as him.

What is it with us? We go to Spain, the home of tiki-taka, technical football and come back with a full back who couldn't trap a bag of sand. We plunder Arsenal, one of the slickest operations in football and come back with the False narrative.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 02, 2016, 12:02:24 AM
We even went to Bayern Munich and came back with the fucking Guzan tactic of taking goalkicks backwards. Thicko's, everywhere, in abundance at our club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 02, 2016, 12:04:49 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 02, 2016, 12:02:24 AM
We even went to Bayern Munich and came back with the fucking Guzan tactic of taking goalkicks backwards. Thicko's, everywhere, in abundance at our club.
That shouldn't have made me laugh, but it did. The club has been desperately comical at times. In an Alan Partridge sort of a way. Oblivious buffoonery of the highest order.

Oh well..."we go again."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 12:15:13 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 02, 2016, 12:02:24 AM
We even went to Bayern Munich and came back with the fucking Guzan tactic of taking goalkicks backwards. Thicko's, everywhere, in abundance at our club.

Never heard as many groans at a football match in my life when that tactic was used. It was that bad it was laughable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on January 02, 2016, 12:55:17 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 12:15:13 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 02, 2016, 12:02:24 AM
We even went to Bayern Munich and came back with the fucking Guzan tactic of taking goalkicks backwards. Thicko's, everywhere, in abundance at our club.

Never heard as many groans at a football match in my life when that tactic was used. It was that bad it was laughable.

What I heard very loudly in my right lughole:

"Jow reMEMba wen woi useta showut pass ve ball back Everton"?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 02, 2016, 01:09:02 AM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on January 01, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Tom Fox quoted on SSN tonight "we are building something special and Remi Garde is a massive part of what we are trying to build". God help us when we are only building something average then...

Who in their right mind would think that coming out with that is a good idea when we are in the position we are in?  The man is beginning to sound delusional.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 02, 2016, 05:35:48 AM
and that surprises you?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 02, 2016, 06:47:55 AM
It is on a par with showing on the big screen to a ground full of pig sick supporters the players laughing like demented hyenas at a party having a great old time. AND as though the act was not sufficient fan provocation, showing that there was not a single French speaking player at the "team" party.

I do not blame Lerner for everything that is wrong at Villa Park but I do blame him for the growth of the "marketing" concept that things that are going wrong can be given a positive spin.

Sherwood was Fox's choice. It soon became clear that it was yet another managerial disaster. Fox is doing his equivalent of Sherwood's not-me-guv by shifting the full weight of expectation on to Remi Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve R on January 02, 2016, 08:03:14 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 02, 2016, 06:47:55 AM
....
Sherwood was Fox's choice. It soon became clear that it was yet another managerial disaster. Fox is doing his equivalent of Sherwood's not-me-guv by shifting the full weight of expectation on to Remi Garde.

That is exactly what that quote sounded like to me.

I do wonder if the players really are as bad as the league table suggests, or whether it is more to do with politics going on at the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 02, 2016, 08:48:02 AM
Quote from: Newby on January 01, 2016, 11:59:30 PM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on January 01, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Tom Fox quoted on SSN tonight "we are building something special and Remi Garde is a massive part of what we are trying to build". God help us when we are only building something average then...

Yeah, just like we were when we had Sherwood and Lambert. Jeez, what a head up his own arse moron. Clearly, we are building from the bottom up, in every sense of the word.

its reassuring to know we are building something special as opposed to wallowing in an open sewer
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2016, 10:01:12 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 02, 2016, 12:02:24 AM
We even went to Bayern Munich and came back with the fucking Guzan tactic of taking goalkicks backwards. Thicko's, everywhere, in abundance at our club.

In fairness, that was Lambert's hairbrained idea and it wasn't a very good one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2016, 10:10:02 AM
In fairness I'm not sure what he could say, but it would be nice if we do have a plan for when we're relegated rather than utter panic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2016, 10:16:15 AM
Come on Remi get us a win today to start the revival.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2016, 10:32:55 AM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on January 01, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Tom Fox quoted on SSN tonight "we are building something special and Remi Garde is a massive part of what we are trying to build". God help us when we are only building something average then...

The bloke really is too stupid for words.  In his mind the fact that we've bought a few young French players this summer is probably the start of a glorious revolution that will transform us into Southampton or Arsenal mk II.  The reality is that we're going to get relegated, and any of them that are any use will probably be snaffled by a better team than us, who are still in the Premier League.  Like Bournemouth or Watford.

Honestly, clueless isn't the word.  We've spent the last five years lurching from one managerial style to another, with no semblance of a continuity plan like Southampton or Swansea seem to have.  We went from dour, defensive first anti-football under McLeish, to a more European style under Houllier, then back to an agricultural-style young British manager, to an absolute chancer with no managerial experience in Sherwood, and now it's Garde's turn and presumably they're hoping he's going to be the next Arsene Wenger.  While it's not fair to blame Fox for anything that happened prior to his watch, since he came things seems to have gone from very shit to absolutely apocalypticly bad.  What sort of amazing plan are we supposed to believe is in place that has resulted in the appointment of Sherwood and then Garde inside 6 months?  I've said it before, but Fox is the directorial equivalent of Sherwood; a chancer making it up as he goes along and is the latest in a line of poor appointments by Lerner, promoting people over their experience and ability.  Listen Mr Fox, we're not stupid, and we can spot bullshit from a mile off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on January 02, 2016, 10:50:23 AM
There are many, many things Tom Fox could say about our current predicament, and still stay safely within the bounds of meaningless corporate babble. But "we're building something special", when you're rooted to the bottom of the table, and have broken almost every record going for shitness, is up there among the most stupid things he could possibly come out with.

None of this bodes well for our new chapter of lower league football.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 02, 2016, 10:52:28 AM
Not quitting (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35211325)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 02, 2016, 10:56:19 AM
Quote from: Legion on January 02, 2016, 10:52:28 AM
Not quitting (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35211325)

I can't think of any other manager who, after no wins in 8 and meekly dropping out of the league, has been able to choose whether he keeps his job or not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 02, 2016, 10:56:52 AM
Quote
Aston Villa: Remi Garde will not quit if relegated

Remi Garde wants to remain Aston Villa manager even if they are relegated from the Premier League.
The former Lyon boss signed a three-and-a-half-year contract in November, succeeding Tim Sherwood.
Villa have failed to win any of his eight matches in charge and are bottom of the table, 11 points from safety at the halfway stage of the season.
When asked if he would stay if the club were relegated for the first time since 1987, Garde said: "Yes."
Villa have won just once in the league this season, on the opening day at Bournemouth, and have lost 13 of the following 18 games.
"Of course I thought we would have won earlier, but I knew when you come to a club that has played 11 and lost nine you don't expect to find everything going well," he added.
"If they are, you do not get the call to come in. I knew it would be difficult but now I am full of confidence for what we can achieve in this club."
Villa play second-bottom Sunderland on Saturday. They are four points adrift of their relegation rivals but Garde does not believe defeat will mean relegation will follow.
"It's a very important game but this is not the last chance we will have," he said.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 02, 2016, 11:14:53 AM
I think that our problems are proven to be much higher than just the manager. Until the clowns are gone then it won't make any difference who our manager is
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 02, 2016, 11:27:01 AM
Vila!? (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2016/01/01/boss-remi-garde-retaining-vila-optimism/)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 02, 2016, 11:29:39 AM
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10246806_1211421082218781_9021123334655475384_n.jpg?oh=5a2aad75ffde59de0851448e047a6236&oe=57099E94)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 02, 2016, 11:38:05 AM
Regarding Garde, I think it's a decision to be made at the end of the season. I'd like to see a bit of continuity if possible though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 11:41:52 AM
If he relegates us he should be sacked by default, just like Billy McBingo was.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 02, 2016, 11:42:25 AM
Quote from: Legion on January 02, 2016, 11:29:39 AM
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10246806_1211421082218781_9021123334655475384_n.jpg?oh=5a2aad75ffde59de0851448e047a6236&oe=57099E94)
The more soundbites come out of Villa Park the more I think of Comical Ali, the one-time head of communications for Sadam Hussain's Iraqi government.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 02, 2016, 11:45:50 AM
My twopennorth for what it is worth is we shall see Fox and Garde still in place at the start of next season but of the two I think Fox's job is much the least secure of the two. I very much want to see Garde given the chance to show what he can do. Fox can go tomorrow as far as I am concerned. He is the one who has shown nothing, not Remi Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 11:48:05 AM
Fox is a bullshitter, but if he's given the boot he'll be replaced with another bullshitter. He isn't the problem at the club, and neither is the manager, but I'm sure we all know that in reality.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 11:49:54 AM
Fox has had what, nearly 18 months? I agree with Brian, I am much more comfortable with Garde than Fox. Get Houllier in above Garde and have a proper football structure at the club for once, rather than people above Garde not being any type of footballing experts.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 02, 2016, 11:53:30 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 11:41:52 AM
If he relegates us he should be sacked by default, just like Billy McBingo was.
To be fair to Garde, whatever happens he won't have relegated us. Five years of mismanagement at the boardroom level will be whats relegated us.

Like others, I suspect Garde will still be in place at the club next season regardless of how early our clubs demise is mathematically confirmed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 02, 2016, 11:55:43 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 02, 2016, 01:09:02 AM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on January 01, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Tom Fox quoted on SSN tonight "we are building something special and Remi Garde is a massive part of what we are trying to build". God help us when we are only building something average then...

Who in their right mind would think that coming out with that is a good idea when we are in the position we are in?  The man is beginning to sound delusional.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IMqU8vE65g8
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 12:00:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Harte on January 02, 2016, 11:53:30 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 11:41:52 AM
If he relegates us he should be sacked by default, just like Billy McBingo was.
To be fair to Garde, whatever happens he won't have relegated us. Five years of mismanagement at the boardroom level will be whats relegated us.

Like others, I suspect Garde will still be in place at the club next season regardless of how early our clubs demise is mathematically confirmed.

Okay, I know who the real culprit at the club is but Garde didn't take over with just a handful of games to go he took over with 2/3rds of a season left to play. He'll have played more than his part in it. Look if he'd have taken over and won a couple of matches so far (as well as his 3 draws) he'd have made a bit of an impact, but come on he's done nothing of note so far to justify any faith you have in him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on January 02, 2016, 12:01:37 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 02, 2016, 01:09:02 AM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on January 01, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Tom Fox quoted on SSN tonight "we are building something special and Remi Garde is a massive part of what we are trying to build". God help us when we are only building something average then...

Who in their right mind would think that coming out with that is a good idea when we are in the position we are in?  The man is beginning to sound delusional.

Was it Fox who spoke of a 'project' we had under Lambert but never said what the project was?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 02, 2016, 12:04:20 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 12:00:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Harte on January 02, 2016, 11:53:30 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 11:41:52 AM
If he relegates us he should be sacked by default, just like Billy McBingo was.
To be fair to Garde, whatever happens he won't have relegated us. Five years of mismanagement at the boardroom level will be whats relegated us.

Like others, I suspect Garde will still be in place at the club next season regardless of how early our clubs demise is mathematically confirmed.

Okay, I know who the real culprit at the club is but Garde didn't take over with just a handful of games to go he took over with 2/3rds of a season left to play. He'll have played more than his part in it. Look if he'd have taken over and won a couple of matches so far (as well as his 3 draws) he'd have made a bit of an impact, but come on he's done nothing of note so far to justify any faith you have in him.
I'm not saying I have faith in him. It is more a gut feeling that he'll still be here.

That said, maybe with a transfer window behind him he can start to transform the dross that is currently masquerading as a (shit) football team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rigadon on January 02, 2016, 12:06:07 PM
That soundbite from Fox is a piss take.  He just another reason why we're in the place we're in. 

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 12:06:52 PM
4 draws. He has not done well so far, but there are mitigating factors. A shit squad for 1. Some woeful individual mistakes secondly. Gestede not scoring good chances with his head, Hutton, Richards, Clark, Sanchez all making piss awful mistakes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 02, 2016, 12:10:13 PM
"Tim had a fantastic career at Tottenham, not only in his brief spell as first-team manager but, just as importantly, in the role he played in developing young talent.

"We are determined to build a football operation with a long-term vision and a commitment to youth development.

"We strongly believe Tim has the qualities to get the best out of our current squad and help us build and develop for the future."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on January 02, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
Quote from: Rigadon on January 02, 2016, 12:06:07 PM
That soundbite from Fox is a piss take.  He just another reason why we're in the place we're in. 



Another clown in this sorry circus.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 12:10:25 PM
Quote from: Chris Harte on January 02, 2016, 12:04:20 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 12:00:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Harte on January 02, 2016, 11:53:30 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 11:41:52 AM
If he relegates us he should be sacked by default, just like Billy McBingo was.
To be fair to Garde, whatever happens he won't have relegated us. Five years of mismanagement at the boardroom level will be whats relegated us.

Like others, I suspect Garde will still be in place at the club next season regardless of how early our clubs demise is mathematically confirmed.

Okay, I know who the real culprit at the club is but Garde didn't take over with just a handful of games to go he took over with 2/3rds of a season left to play. He'll have played more than his part in it. Look if he'd have taken over and won a couple of matches so far (as well as his 3 draws) he'd have made a bit of an impact, but come on he's done nothing of note so far to justify any faith you have in him.
I'm not saying I have faith in him. It is more a gut feeling that he'll still be here.

That said, maybe with a transfer window behind him he can start to transform the dross that is currently masquerading as a (shit) football team.

Yeah I'd probably agree with you that he'll probably still be here next season even though I'd sack any manager by default that relegated us.
I'm also hoping we have a decent transfer window, though it hasn't started well by recalling that pair of oafs Cissokho and Bennett.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on January 02, 2016, 12:13:16 PM
We're not stopping up but we need to see a few wins before the end of the season. If the unthinkable does happen and we don't win another game then yes he has to go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 02, 2016, 12:15:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 11:49:54 AM
Fox has had what, nearly 18 months? I agree with Brian, I am much more comfortable with Garde than Fox. Get Houllier in above Garde and have a proper football structure at the club for once, rather than people above Garde not being any type of footballing experts.

I was thinking that the other day.  I may be wrong, but Fox seems to be more suited to the commercial side of things so bringing in someone like Houllier to organise the football side of things might not be a bad idea.  From what I have read on here it is clear that the academy needs some kind restructuring as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 02, 2016, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 02, 2016, 12:15:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 11:49:54 AM
Fox has had what, nearly 18 months? I agree with Brian, I am much more comfortable with Garde than Fox. Get Houllier in above Garde and have a proper football structure at the club for once, rather than people above Garde not being any type of footballing experts.

I was thinking that the other day.  I may be wrong, but Fox seems to be more suited to the commercial side of things so bringing in someone like Houllier to organise the football side of things might not be a bad idea.  From what I have read on here it is clear that the academy needs some kind restructuring as well.

I don't think Fox would claim to be a football man, he's appointed that German fella for that role. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2016, 12:21:26 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 11:49:54 AM
Fox has had what, nearly 18 months? I agree with Brian, I am much more comfortable with Garde than Fox. Get Houllier in above Garde and have a proper football structure at the club for once, rather than people above Garde not being any type of footballing experts.

I've never understood the idea of Houllier as a director football.  Look at his signings at Liverpool, and they were mostly horrendous.  Didn't do a lot better at Villa to be honest.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 12:21:53 PM
But he is not a football man either is he?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2016, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 02, 2016, 12:15:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 11:49:54 AM
Fox has had what, nearly 18 months? I agree with Brian, I am much more comfortable with Garde than Fox. Get Houllier in above Garde and have a proper football structure at the club for once, rather than people above Garde not being any type of footballing experts.

I was thinking that the other day.  I may be wrong, but Fox seems to be more suited to the commercial side of things so bringing in someone like Houllier to organise the football side of things might not be a bad idea.  From what I have read on here it is clear that the academy needs some kind restructuring as well.

The commercial side is going to take a right pasting from relegation, and I don't think Fox quite gets this.  Season tickets, sponsorship deals, corporate hospitality and everything else will be drastically reduced next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 02, 2016, 12:25:17 PM
Houllier's heart, assuming it is functioning correctly, wouldn't be in it.  This is NOT Anfield.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 02, 2016, 12:25:31 PM
This should be turned into a rap song of sorts.

'We're building something special here.  We're building, building, building something, building building building something special here.'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 02, 2016, 12:31:05 PM
Quote from: TopDeck113 on January 02, 2016, 12:25:17 PM
Houllier's heart, assuming it is functioning correctly, wouldn't be in it.  This is NOT Anfield.

Isn't he already employed as a DoF for the red bull teams?  Someone like that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on January 02, 2016, 01:07:29 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 02, 2016, 12:25:31 PM
This should be turned into a rap song of sorts.

'We're building something special here.  We're building, building, building something, building building building something special here.'

I think it would make a very effective chant, and would fit nicely with the gallows humour that our wonderful supporters do so well. Imagine a loud rendition of "we're building something special" (to the tune of "you don't know what you're doing") raining down from the stands if we go a few goals down in a match. It would certainly highlight the absurdity of the statement.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on January 02, 2016, 01:17:40 PM
Relegation will equal a new owner and a clearout of all the deadwood on the playing and non playing side. I would then tell Eddie Howe to name his price and get him in as manager. Good young, but experienced manager who would welcome the chance to take over a club of our size. He has probably already reached his peak at Bournemouth
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 02, 2016, 01:19:19 PM
The buck for the loss of income caused by relegation stops with Fox not with Garde. The use of the word "we" in connection with this mythical building project is a diversionary tactic.  As was said on here by somebody far wiser than I, Pulis was the man to save Fox's arse not Sherwood. Fox will stand or fall on what the accountants say not what Lawro says.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2016, 01:26:51 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 02, 2016, 01:19:19 PM
The buck for the loss of income caused by relegation stops with Fox not with Garde. The use of the word "we" in connection with this mythical building project is a diversionary tactic.  As was said on here by somebody far wiser than I, Pulis was the man to save Fox's arse not Sherwood. Fox will stand or fall on what the accountants say not what Lawro says.
Fox will stand or fall subject to where Lerners head is at any particular moment in time or until he meets another telesales manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 01:38:22 PM
The buck stops with the chairman and that's that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 02, 2016, 02:09:37 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 01:38:22 PM
The buck stops with the chairman and that's that.
Yes. Precisely.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ronshirt on January 02, 2016, 02:28:33 PM
The Fantastic Mr Fox worked for Nike as sports marketing director and then Arsenal as chief commercial officer. How does that qualify him to become CEO at the Villa? And when he spouts gobbledygook about 'projects', 'false narratives' and 'building something special' does he not realise that no-one is fooled apart from his hapless employer.

Is there really no-one at the club willing to take him to one side and suggest that if he has nothing sensible to say then he is better off keeping his mouth shut?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 02, 2016, 02:41:39 PM
obviously not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 02, 2016, 04:56:08 PM
I was previously all for Garde staying on no matter what happens at the end of the season, but there is surely going to reach a point where we are going to have to consider his position.  We aren't getting any better and there is a strong argument that we are getting worse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
We have to wait until he gets in some of his own players. It's not fair to fully judge him on the utter shite he has. What can he do about Guzan just letting a goal in at his near post, Gestede just being awful, or most of the rest of them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on January 02, 2016, 04:59:55 PM
I have had enough, it is quite clear that Garde is crap too, the reason why he has been signed remains a big mistery.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: onje_villa on January 02, 2016, 05:12:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
We have to wait until he gets in some of his own players. It's not fair to fully judge him on the utter shite he has. What can he do about Guzan just letting a goal in at his near post, Gestede just being awful, or most of the rest of them.
Agree completely, he's not had nearly enough time, not been able to bring in any of his own players yet. To be truthful I feel sorry for the bloke.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on January 02, 2016, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 02, 2016, 05:12:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
We have to wait until he gets in some of his own players. It's not fair to fully judge him on the utter shite he has. What can he do about Guzan just letting a goal in at his near post, Gestede just being awful, or most of the rest of them.
Agree completely, he's not had nearly enough time, not been able to bring in any of his own players yet. To be truthful I feel sorry for the bloke.


Neither has Big Sam.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on January 02, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 02, 2016, 05:12:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
We have to wait until he gets in some of his own players. It's not fair to fully judge him on the utter shite he has. What can he do about Guzan just letting a goal in at his near post, Gestede just being awful, or most of the rest of them.
Agree completely, he's not had nearly enough time, not been able to bring in any of his own players yet. To be truthful I feel sorry for the bloke.
I don't. He gets paid enough.  If it is because he couldnot get his preferred coaches etc. Then he shouldn't of taken the job.  Confidence is worse than ever at the moment and he and his tactics and substitutions are far from blameless. Chancer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2016, 05:16:40 PM
Quote from: passport1 on January 02, 2016, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: onje_villa on January 02, 2016, 05:12:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
We have to wait until he gets in some of his own players. It's not fair to fully judge him on the utter shite he has. What can he do about Guzan just letting a goal in at his near post, Gestede just being awful, or most of the rest of them.
Agree completely, he's not had nearly enough time, not been able to bring in any of his own players yet. To be truthful I feel sorry for the bloke.


Neither has Big Sam.

It's Garde who decided to play Gestede, and who kept him on for the entire 90 minutes.  The useless carthorse did nothing except set up their second goal by giving it away after another simple pass bobbled off his shins.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on January 02, 2016, 05:19:14 PM
I can't make my mind up about Garde, I still think he needs time.  I cling to the hope that he's like a chef with only shit for ingredients, he'll try all sorts of combinations to make something palatable but, at the end of the day it's still shit.  Maybe someday soon he'll find something to take the stench away.

IMO, he has to be left in the job for the remainder of the season, we can't keep changing managers like this, we have to give him a go.  It's all been said before but, leaving it so late to bin Lambert smacks of ineptitude of the highest order. 

My grandfather, father and his brothers must be spinning in their graves to such an extent that they're bound to surface!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2016, 05:20:15 PM
Quote from: Archie on January 02, 2016, 04:59:55 PM
I have had enough, it is quite clear that Garde is crap too, the reason why he has been signed remains a big mistery.
Series of coaches (5 in all) have tried and failed or are failing. No one can perfume this pig Lerner and Co have concocted together.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2016, 05:21:19 PM
Quote from: olaftab on January 02, 2016, 05:20:15 PM
Quote from: Archie on January 02, 2016, 04:59:55 PM
I have had enough, it is quite clear that Garde is crap too, the reason why he has been signed remains a big mistery.
Series of coaches (5 in all) have tried and failed or are failing. No one can perfume this pig Lerner and Co have concocted together.

That's true, but it was hardly asking much for Garde to come in and improve something, anything, but he hasn't even managed that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 02, 2016, 05:21:43 PM
Glad it's not just me beginning to think Garde offers nothing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on January 02, 2016, 05:22:36 PM
I do like the three summer 'Jordan' signings, they look to have the only quality in the squad. Glimpses from Traore and young enough to keep. Other than that I'd look to completely overhaul the squad, it's rotten and anything that is good gets infested as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 02, 2016, 05:22:50 PM
Let's face it he's only our manager because he was cheap, out of work and desperate for a job in the PL.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT Villan on January 02, 2016, 05:24:22 PM
Fox is just like some of the players...they didn't look the gift-horse in the mouth when it came trotting up. It's not their fault they were offered the chance to come to Villa when they were totally inexperienced and unsuitable for the job. The fault lies with the person at the top making these indescribably poor decisions, over and over again. What was Einstein's definition of insanity again...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on January 02, 2016, 05:25:09 PM
Quote from: Ian J on January 02, 2016, 05:22:36 PM
I do like the three summer 'Jordan' signings, they look to have the only quality in the squad. Glimpses from Traore and young enough to keep. Other than that I'd look to completely overhaul the squad, it's rotten and anything that is good gets infested as well.
Jordan 3 will be the only players well be able to sell. They won't be here next season, nor I imagine, would they want to be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 02, 2016, 05:34:16 PM
Garde has not done himself any favours so far. Some of his selections and susbstitutions have been abysmal and we look no more up for it then we did before him.

Lets face it, the players couldn't give a shit, they all need to go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DB on January 02, 2016, 05:40:30 PM
Unlike when Newcastle went down, we need a whole re-building job on the playing side, It's gonna be very tough to come straight back up.
We also need Randy et al out of the club, to make any strides forward.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 02, 2016, 05:43:37 PM
I can see him resigning (once he's negotiated his contract pay-out) rather than attempting to come to terms with the challenges of the Championship.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2016, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 02, 2016, 05:21:19 PM
Quote from: olaftab on January 02, 2016, 05:20:15 PM
Quote from: Archie on January 02, 2016, 04:59:55 PM
I have had enough, it is quite clear that Garde is crap too, the reason why he has been signed remains a big mistery.
Series of coaches (5 in all) have tried and failed or are failing. No one can perfume this pig Lerner and Co have concocted together.

That's true, but it was hardly asking much for Garde to come in and improve something, anything, but he hasn't even managed that.
Yes I guess you are right. I didn't expect us to be flying up the league but did expect a win here and there. Unfortunately he now has a worse record than Sherwood. I thought that was difficult. These drubbings are going to have a deep impact on Garde and players if they all stick around for next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 02, 2016, 05:49:57 PM
We need to play Gil and Troare more. There's no chance to sort the defence out, but we need to make more use of the talented attackers we have. We have some players with ability who should be starting more, if not every game.

Go for a front three of Gil, Ayew and Traore for a few games. See what they can do.

Focus all our transfer efforts on getting a spine to the team. That means a good left back, CH, defensive mid and definitely a new keeper. We also need a front man, but I honestly can't see anyone with a track record joining, so we'd be looking at a punt again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on January 02, 2016, 05:50:20 PM
You do wonder what impact not having his first choice assistants is having. So far I'm not too impressed, and why would they join a second division side in the Summer?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 06:59:06 PM
The spine is atrocious isn't it Supertom

Agree on the coaching front. Again though, it is where if there were a football man on the board they would have said to Garde identify 3-4 coaches and alternatives because you, Ray and a fitness coach are not enough. Phil Brown must be replaced at some point too, he "coaches" Guzan FFS.

Steve Round would have been a good appointment as he is a defensive organiser. We need someone to do that ASAP.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TonyD on January 02, 2016, 07:03:23 PM
Guzan, Richards and Rudy are 3 reasons I'm starting to doubt Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on January 02, 2016, 07:07:45 PM
I think he will walk before the seasons out
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 07:07:49 PM
Bunn must be awful. I think Richards has the ear of the dressing room, hence his selection in his favoured position. Gestede - I think Garde knows he is crap but has few options.

All 3 should either not be in their current positions or not in the side come the end of the month.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2016, 07:08:55 PM
I don't understand persisting with Gestede but he clearly doesn't rate Kozak, and Gabby is done. Ayew was out today off course and he's not really a central striker. As for the other two, I don't Bunn is much better by probably worth a go before another keeper arrives. And Okore was injured so explains why he didn't start. Clark is just as big a liability. It's not very good is it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2016, 07:10:23 PM
I don't believe that Richards is demanding to play at centre back.  If anything, given that's he's been torn a new one every time he's played in the middle, why wouldn't he be demading to play right back, a spot he knows and understands so much better?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TonyD on January 02, 2016, 07:11:35 PM
You remember the stick Colllins got on here.   Played a blinder today by all account. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 07:12:31 PM
Because he has openly said he can't physically play right back when he joined
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TonyD on January 02, 2016, 07:15:34 PM
Why did we sign him then?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2016, 07:17:17 PM
Quote from: TonyD on January 02, 2016, 07:15:34 PM
Why did we sign him then?

I assume because we thought he could do a good job at CB and would provide some form of leadership. He's not provided either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2016, 07:18:06 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 07:12:31 PM
Because he has openly said he can't physically play right back when he joined

Really?  Where, as I can hardly believe that to be honest.


edit: this is what Sherwood said when he signed, so it doesn't sound like he was buying somebody who couldn't or wouldn't play right back.


""He is a player who can play in a number of positions. He can play right-back, centre-half and also in a three man defence so his versatility is another real positive."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 02, 2016, 07:20:01 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 02, 2016, 07:18:06 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 07:12:31 PM
Because he has openly said he can't physically play right back when he joined

Really?  Where, as I can hardly believe that to be honest.


edit: this is what Sherwood said when he signed, so it doesn't sound like he was buying somebody who couldn't or wouldn't play right back.


""He is a player who can play in a number of positions. He can play right-back, centre-half and also in a three man defence so his versatility is another real positive."

He's got a note from his mum.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on January 02, 2016, 08:25:18 PM
I doubt he'll be cut as much slack if we're out the cup a week today. Wanted him to prove all the pundits wrong but looking like another poor appointment to me by the cretins and will be shocked if he has what it takes to get us promoted
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 02, 2016, 08:28:04 PM
didn't he come out with the too old to play right back thing before a televised game at the beginning of the season? TBH at the moment he's too shite to play anywhere.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 02, 2016, 08:31:30 PM
Feel sorry for the man, totally caught between the headlights. 

Sounds a knee jerk but we need to forget the French players as the basis of the rebuild  and get a British manager in who knows the English leagues and has a good head with regards to players at  different  levels.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 02, 2016, 08:42:41 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 02, 2016, 07:20:01 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 02, 2016, 07:18:06 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 07:12:31 PM
Because he has openly said he can't physically play right back when he joined

Really?  Where, as I can hardly believe that to be honest.


edit: this is what Sherwood said when he signed, so it doesn't sound like he was buying somebody who couldn't or wouldn't play right back.


""He is a player who can play in a number of positions. He can play right-back, centre-half and also in a three man defence so his versatility is another real positive."

He's got a note from his mum.

pity he didnt forget his kit
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2016, 11:02:37 PM
Well, one of the things Garde can do is bring some players in to make a difference.  Priorities have to be a striker, another striker, a striker and a keeper.  Oh and a central defender and a right back.  But not forgetting the striker.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on January 02, 2016, 11:08:54 PM
Aggressive experienced central midfielder for me is the priority
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 02, 2016, 11:09:49 PM
as well as a left back and right back. Do you think we will have enough time to sign an entirely new team during January?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on January 02, 2016, 11:10:14 PM
I don't think he'll walk out but I can see a poor start in the championship and a new man by next Christmas.

I think he'll make a good manager, just not with us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2016, 11:16:55 PM
I will reserve judgement on him until after this window.  I watch the individual errors each game and just think anyone would be screwed.  If he buys well enough and results at least improve to over a point a game from end of Jan he has something to work with. The spine of the team is a huge issue that needs solving fast.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on January 03, 2016, 12:01:14 AM
I hope he has already got plenty of targets lined up and has very good persuasive powers to talk anyone into signing. We're pretty screwed and anyone coming in need to be in it for the long haul and help drag this club back up. It's a very big ask to help keep us up and an even bigger ask to get ready for lower league football for any new recruits.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on January 03, 2016, 12:09:00 AM
He won't go this side of the Summer but I seriously doubt he'll be the man to get us out of the Championship. I hope I'm wrong but he just does not inspire me with confidence one bit. Whenever I see him interviewed he comes across as a supply teacher whose pupils are taking the piss out of him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on January 03, 2016, 12:50:48 AM
I'd bomb this muppet out now, personally.

Close to ten games in no upturn whatsoever.

True, he didn't inherit a slightly misfiring winning machine. But the better managers always find a way.

It's not inconceivable that Tiger Tim might have delivered a better points return over the same period.  He knew Tottingham inside out, so we might have got something there, and might have scraped at least two wins out of the Watford, Newcastle, Norwich and Slumberland games.

I accept that's pure conjecture. What isn't conjecture is we were four points off safety with plenty of games to play when Rene Discard took over. Now we'll need snookers and at least ten bankruptcies in the top flight to give us even a remote possibility of staying up. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 03, 2016, 12:53:17 AM
I've said if before, he's only our manager because he was cheap and out of work. Zero impact since he arrived and a complete waste of space.
David Moyes was there waiting for the job and we wouldn't cough up the cash for him.
God help us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 03, 2016, 05:30:25 AM
Would he come in the summer?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 03, 2016, 06:34:39 AM
Unbelievable to hear people wanting rid of Garde, absolute madness. 

I've just watched his press conference pre Sunderland game.  Garde talks a lot of sense, he knows this lot are woeful and wants time to construct the 'project'. We need to let him get on with it and judge him by November next season.

This is all down to the utter incompetence of Lerner, Fox, Lambert, Sherwood and 3 quarters of the shit we've got in our squad.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 03, 2016, 06:40:41 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 02, 2016, 11:02:37 PM
Well, one of the things Garde can do is bring some players in to make a difference.  Priorities have to be a striker, another striker, a striker and a keeper.  Oh and a central defender and a right back.  But not forgetting the striker.

I think the Norwich and Sunderland results will severely hamper his efforts here.  I'd prefer to see him planning for next season rather than take minor short term improvements on mega bucks. Tell him his job is safe whatever happens but gear us up for next year would be my call. If that means signing no one and waiting then so be it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 03, 2016, 06:42:41 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 03, 2016, 12:53:17 AM

David Moyes was there waiting for the job and we wouldn't cough up the cash for him.
God help us.

You know that for a fact do you? 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on January 03, 2016, 06:52:10 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 03, 2016, 06:34:39 AM
Unbelievable to hear people wanting rid of Garde, absolute madness. 

I've just watched his press conference pre Sunderland game.  Garde talks a lot of sense, he knows this lot are woeful and wants time to construct the 'project'. We need to let him get on with it and judge him by November next season.

This is all down to the utter incompetence of Lerner, Fox, Lambert, Sherwood and 3 quarters of the shit we've got in our squad.

Agreed, sir.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on January 03, 2016, 06:55:41 AM
Quote from: Des Little on January 03, 2016, 12:09:00 AM
He won't go this side of the Summer but I seriously doubt he'll be the man to get us out of the Championship. I hope I'm wrong but he just does not inspire me with confidence one bit. Whenever I see him interviewed he comes across as a supply teacher whose pupils are taking the piss out of him.

I suppose few of us really know how good he is or may become but I like his intelligent calm approach. He's taken on an immense task. We can't keep swapping and starting again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 03, 2016, 07:02:07 AM
This is as good a thread as any to post this on.  Next October I shall have been a Holte Ender for 70 years and no I am not a better fan than anybody else and no I am not a better judge of football than anybody else. I have just watched the Villa, home and away a lot.

This Sunday morning as we all agonize in our own way the single worst source of pain for me is not the league position, or the poorness of the squad or their lack of brain and backbone.  It is the culture of bullshit that has grown up like a ring fence around the Villa.

Put less crudely there is a prevailing culture of uncertainty that is not dispelled by openness and candour but is intensified by secrecy.

Ask yourself, what is going to happen next?  Will we spend in January? Will Remi Garde stay or walk? Will the crowds melt away from Villa Park? Will the crowds at Villa Park turn nasty? Will there be a carnival atmosphere at VP and a stream of wins once we are mathematically down? Why won't Richards play RB? Why does Bunn never play? Why does Gestede always play?  The list of things we are left guessing about goes on and on.

I fully accept, without question that any club, any business must have confidentiality and privacy. But let that be what it is, not the intelligence insulting bullshit we have been served up ever since Martin O'Neill made Randy Lerner shit his pants.

Why did it take so long to get rid of Lambert? Why was Lambert given a contract extension? Whose idea was a short list one for Lambert's replacement? Why was Sherwood allowed to get away with slagging off the club and the players without so much of peep out of the club in its own defence?

I could go on for pages with unanswered questions.

It is not the questions that make me so angry. It is the fact that we have an Aston Villa environment of total uncertainty that spawns more questions and no answers.  In lieu of answers we get bullshit like building something special when what I want to hear is news of Micah Richards getting a kick up the arse or when is Tom Fox going to get the mother of all bollocking or the sack.

I started by referring to how long I have been a Villa fan.  In all that time I have never known a period of such uncertainty as the past five years and it is getting worse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 03, 2016, 07:09:24 AM
The uncertainty comes from the top down Brian. Lerner's incompetent ownership and total lack of accountability is the source.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Singapore Villa on January 03, 2016, 07:47:40 AM
Totally agree that it starts from the top.  We have a completely invisible owner and our CEO just spouts pointless rhetoric that is so partonising it is untrue. I will always love the Villa, but we need our club back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on January 03, 2016, 07:55:42 AM
Like your post Brian, Randy wants shot of us (and I want shot of him) he wants to put as little into the club as possible, and therefore he does everything on the cheap especially the appointment of managers. He then has to get his staff to spin lies, like short list of one, and were building something special. Lerner is the route cause of everything wrong at Aston Villa. The smoke and mirrors will remain at VP as long as lerners there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on January 03, 2016, 07:57:15 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 03, 2016, 06:42:41 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 03, 2016, 12:53:17 AM

David Moyes was there waiting for the job and we wouldn't cough up the cash for him.
God help us.

You know that for a fact do you?

Moyes would have come.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2016, 08:18:54 AM
Moyes made it clear he wanted to stay at Sociedad! If he had wanted it h would have made that clear. He was my first choice but he has turned it down enough times for us to know that if he wasn't interested he wasn't going to come.
The fact Garde has turned down Newcastle and refuse talks with Sunderland before taking our job suggests he has been promised some stability here. He has started very poorly but then watching us in the last few weeks I genuinely don't think anyone would be winning games with this squad. The midfield options as soon as someone is out are so paper thin its scary at the moment. There is very little pace beyond Traore and we ask know the defence and keeper are shot.

Let him build a side. I think his reputation on arrival suggests long term he is with persevering with. I hope we don't make trigger happy decisions and try and give someone a chance to rebuild the playing squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on January 03, 2016, 09:09:05 AM
Results and performances have proven that Garde has not galvanised the squad at all. A bit like Houllier it seems he has made up his mind very early on a number of players. In hindsight he would have been better off trying to get the most out of our motley crew instead.

This may be one of the reasons behind the dispirited shambles we are seeing on the pitch. I don't think we can put the blame solely on the heads of the players, look at that Norwich team for example. Hardly too many world beaters in that team yet they are organised, spirited and give each game a real go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on January 03, 2016, 09:10:42 AM
There were signs yesterday that he is starting to lose it a little, that the pressure of having to deal with all that he has to is getting to him. He is a straight talker which is admirable but he knows (and we know)he has far too many players nowhere near the required standard to work with. He has the following available to him.

Guzan, Bunn   Not good enough
Hutton            Not good enough
Cissokho        Can defend but useless going forward
Okore             Doesnt look safe. Not good enough
Richards         Possibly good at right back but erratic at centre back
Lescott           Looked a good cheap signing has proved to be anything like that
Gueye            Good at first but looks as if he wants to go go back to France as quickly as possible
Veretout        One of the two shining beacons at Villa Park. He has reached the required standard
Gil                  Might have scored an excellent goal yesterday but he is far too lightweight and does not create much at all
Westwood.    Obviously tries hard but very far below the standard required.
Sinclair           Not good enough
Sanchez         Can look very good but equally can look dreadful. Not good enough
Gestede         Oh dear!
Ayew              The other shining beacon. Excellent attitude, excellent player.
Adama            Vastly entertaining but very very raw.

Clark,Agbonlahor and Richardson are not worthy of comment. Kozak will probably leave in this window.

Just realised I had forgotten Grealish. Mind you it doesn't surprise me!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 03, 2016, 09:13:30 AM
so, three keepers; the rest sack off. sounds ridiculous, but probably true
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rico on January 03, 2016, 10:09:54 AM
There was a guy on radio two a few weeks back promoting his book. Can't remember what he or the book were called, but basically he had written a book in conjunction with Sir Alex Ferguson about management. One point that he made crystal clear is that for any organisation to be successful you need to have clear direction right from the very top, down to the very bottom. Everyone and he said absolutely everyone at the organisation must be pulling in the same direction and the company strategy must be crystal clear to everyone, including it's customers. He mentioned how at times certain players at Man Utd didn't go along with the goal of the club and how they were sold on almost straight away. ( Beckham/Stam?)

This got me thinking about Aston Villa. Apart from the odd sound bite (Proud history/Bright future ha or We're building something special) when was the last time we actually heard from the powers that be what the current strategy is. The lack of leadership from the top has seeped through the club like a poison. I believe there is no strategy or if there is one I have missed it, which again is the whole purpose of this post. I went on a course a few years ago and the guy running the course said how many of you do a SWAT test at the start of each year. I had never heard of this acronym before, but basically it stands for Strengths, Weaknesses, Aims and Targets. So it's a new year with yet another defeat under our belt so how about the club coming out with it's own SWAT statement instead of the building something special drivel.

UTV
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on January 03, 2016, 10:15:03 AM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 03, 2016, 07:57:15 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 03, 2016, 06:42:41 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 03, 2016, 12:53:17 AM

David Moyes was there waiting for the job and we wouldn't cough up the cash for him.
God help us.

You know that for a fact do you?

Moyes would have come.

Is this the Moyes who was sacked at his last two posts for being a bit rubbish

Your right he would have fitted in well
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 03, 2016, 10:16:07 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 03, 2016, 06:34:39 AM
Unbelievable to hear people wanting rid of Garde, absolute madness. 

I've just watched his press conference pre Sunderland game.  Garde talks a lot of sense, he knows this lot are woeful and wants time to construct the 'project'. We need to let him get on with it and judge him by November next season.

This is all down to the utter incompetence of Lerner, Fox, Lambert, Sherwood and 3 quarters of the shit we've got in our squad.



I saw his interview as well and thought he was saying exactly what Sherood used to say but in a more exotic accent.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 03, 2016, 10:17:21 AM
Everyone at the club right now is a place holder. Randy wants out. If someone paid millions to take over a failing club then if they have any nous they will be wanting to remove all the dead wood and replace with competent people. They all know this, that's part of the reason they all couldn't give a shit, it's not long term to them, just another job and one they're doing badly in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rigadon on January 03, 2016, 10:34:41 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 03, 2016, 10:17:21 AM
Everyone at the club right now is a place holder. Randy wants out. If someone paid millions to take over a failing club then if they have any nous they will be wanting to remove all the dead wood and replace with competent people. They all know this, that's part of the reason they all couldn't give a shit, it's not long term to them, just another job and one they're doing badly in.

Exactly right.

In terms of a strategy, for a few years now it's been to stay in the premier league as cheaply as possible and sell up.

'Epic fail' on both counts then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 03, 2016, 10:35:16 AM
Quote from: Rico on January 03, 2016, 10:09:54 AM
There was a guy on radio two a few weeks back promoting his book. Can't remember what he or the book were called, but basically he had written a book in conjunction with Sir Alex Ferguson about management. One point that he made crystal clear is that for any organisation to be successful you need to have clear direction right from the very top, down to the very bottom. Everyone and he said absolutely everyone at the organisation must be pulling in the same direction and the company strategy must be crystal clear to everyone, including it's customers. He mentioned how at times certain players at Man Utd didn't go along with the goal of the club and how they were sold on almost straight away. ( Beckham/Stam?)

This got me thinking about Aston Villa. Apart from the odd sound bite (Proud history/Bright future ha or We're building something special) when was the last time we actually heard from the powers that be what the current strategy is. The lack of leadership from the top has seeped through the club like a poison. I believe there is no strategy or if there is one I have missed it, which again is the whole purpose of this post. I went on a course a few years ago and the guy running the course said how many of you do a SWAT test at the start of each year. I had never heard of this acronym before, but basically it stands for Strengths, Weaknesses, Aims and Targets. So it's a new year with yet another defeat under our belt so how about the club coming out with it's own SWAT statement instead of the building something special drivel.

UTV

I agree with most of that, the exception being that the fans do not need to know the detail.  Take Man U for example, no-one knew what their mission statement was, it was never broadcast.  That aside, we do need to start to more critically analyse all aspects of the club and remove people and routines which do not serve a greater objective.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TonyD on January 03, 2016, 12:03:07 PM
We are like a grand old cruise liner.   Bobbing aimlessly on the waves.  Waiting to be towed to a Goan beach to be cut up for scrap metal. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TonyD on January 03, 2016, 12:19:04 PM
It's clear that his current team set isn't working and probably won't ever work. We are 95% relegated so he has nothing to lose.  I would retire Guzan, Richards Lescott Rudy Westwood and Sanchez.  I see these guys as the main mistake makers that constantly give the ball away and lead us to concede goals.  I buy a right back, keeper,  chopper Harris type midfielder and any striker.  Then get some disciple, team spirit and fans respect back for the last half of season. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on January 03, 2016, 12:43:00 PM
Quote from: TonyD on January 03, 2016, 12:19:04 PM
Then get some disciple
Aston Villa is my religion; Villa Park is my church.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 03, 2016, 12:46:07 PM
He needs to somehow harness some team spirit, we are 100% not a team this season, just a collection of individuals waiting for it to end and get the best out of it for themselves they can. There is not determination to fight for each other, the support or the clubs name. If you ever want to see mercenaries, then take a look at some of our lot. The effort, concentration, professionalism and hard work isn't there. These are basics and they aren't there and it's why we lose every week.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on January 03, 2016, 01:15:19 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 03, 2016, 12:46:07 PM
He needs to somehow harness some team spirit, we are 100% not a team this season, just a collection of individuals waiting for it to end and get the best out of it for themselves they can.


This is why the guy was hired ten games ago. To unite the players. you can probably see the main clique in the bad santa video.
Lerner's said on his appointment: "We recruited aggressively this past summer and it is our responsibility to now harvest this talent."
He's done nothing and is hoplessly out of his depth.

There is a slim chance we can still get out of the hole. If we swing the axe now. Moyes or Pearson.
Moyes's bug eye'd glare alone would get lung busting tracking back from Gil and Adama. Even Gestede would discover sprinting.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 03, 2016, 01:47:10 PM
I think the job will be too big for anyone with just 18 games  left.  Its where do we go next season.

I think we need to get the likes of a Moyes  or Pearson in.  Remember Saunders prior to taking on wasn't exactly thought of, of someone with charisma.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on January 03, 2016, 02:11:05 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on January 03, 2016, 01:47:10 PM
I think the job will be too big for anyone with just 18 games  left.  Its where do we go next season.

I think we need to get the likes of a Moyes  or Pearson in.  Remember Saunders prior to taking on wasn't exactly thought of, of someone with charisma.

Posted in another thread, Mark Warburton would be my preferred vote.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 03, 2016, 03:22:04 PM
I must admit Garde seems unable to prepare a competitive side for one game a week, let alone two. If we drop, I'd have to say he's toast unless we win seven or eight of our remaining fixtures but still get the heave-ho
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on January 03, 2016, 03:54:40 PM
He's been dealt an impossible hand, so it's difficult to judge, given the frankly appalling situation he found himself in when he arrived. He must be exasperated with the absence of quality, typified yesterday with Gestede and his failure to make a simple pass to set Traore away to win the game.

He seems eager to freshen the squad up and it's not hard to see why. Amavi, Ayew, Veretout apart, I wouldn't care if the rest of the squad were sacked tomorrow.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tony scott on January 03, 2016, 04:03:59 PM
There's no togetherness in the teamabout this, I would have thought Remi Garde would have fixed this by now, speaking to my daughter in Oz she's still hoping for the Miracle, as I
Expect are all the junior villians are.  I hear the argument that our young players will be ruined if played in the team, I take the opposite view if they have the ambition it's a great opportunity.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on January 03, 2016, 04:06:37 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 03, 2016, 03:54:40 PM
He's been dealt an impossible hand, so it's difficult to judge, given the frankly appalling situation he found himself in when he arrived. He must be exasperated with the absence of quality, typified yesterday with Gestede and his failure to make a simple pass to set Traore away to win the game.

He seems eager to freshen the squad up and it's not hard to see why. Amavi, Ayew, Veretout apart, I wouldn't care if the rest of the squad were sacked tomorrow.
Very good points, but this highlights a massive issue.
We really have no idea if Garde is any good or not.
Yes, the club is a basket case, and was when he came in, but his absolute failure to motivate them in any way has to lead to massive questions over his ability.
Has any new manager at any club gone waited so long for his first win after his appointment?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ivo Stas on January 03, 2016, 04:19:37 PM
Remi Garde has had long enough now to see how bad Rudy Gestede is. For the time being, I'll still keep believing in Remi Garde but if he is still playing Gestede in February, I'll be withdrawing my goodwill.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on January 03, 2016, 04:42:09 PM
Ok, it is not Garde that built this dreadful squad, but I have few questions....
If Garde is supposed to be good, so why....
Why  doesn't he play Traorè who is probably our most technical player?
Why has he  always preferred Gestede to Kozak that is not Ronaldo but is 3 times better?
Why was not he be able to give a bit of enthusiasm and fighting spirit to players like Veretout and Gana, that were considered excellent prospects in his own country,  or like Gestede and Ayew that costed sixteen (16!) millions of £?
Why players like Richards, that played in the English national team, and Lescott, that  was named player of the season at WBA, play like a pair of amateurs without the "ABC" of the defensive movements and tactics?
Why does he tend to play Gestede that is good only with the head in a 4-3-1-2 formation without wingers?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on January 03, 2016, 05:14:24 PM
At this point it seems the board very much like the summer transfers brought in someone who could well do well long term and they criminally forgot the short term issues.

He came into a long term mess going years back but the worst started in the last few months of Lambert ,despite some upturn under Sherwood we still lost matches and finished last season poorly.That carried on through preseason with poor results and defending attributed to gaining fitness but unsurprisingly it carried on into the season

Garde himself was not known for building a solid defence at Lyon and has done nothing to stop us shipping goal after goal , I also wonder if not being able to bring in his assistant's has hindered him.Again club thinking not to worry he will get his back room staff at the end of the season not thinking we needed action now.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 03, 2016, 06:02:51 PM
There is no evidence to suggest that Garde was the right appointment and is the right one to get us out of this mess.
The experiment continues.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 03, 2016, 06:35:41 PM
We could have appointed Guardiola and we'd still be bottom, have you seen what he has to work with?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rigadon on January 03, 2016, 06:41:09 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on January 03, 2016, 06:35:41 PM
We could have appointed Guardiola and we'd still be bottom, have you seen what he has to work with?

I agree we have a very weak squad.  I also agree that Guardiola would struggle to get tika taka or whatever it's called out of Gestede.  But Guardiola is never coming is he? 

We could've gone a different route a couple of months ago and didn't,  he question is whether the route we went was sensible.  I didn't think so at the time and am still waiting for a sign Garde is the right guy.  As somebody else said, we were 'only' a win and a draw from 'safety' when he showed up.  It's more than that now. 


 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 03, 2016, 06:45:26 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 03, 2016, 05:14:24 PM
At this point it seems the board very much like the summer transfers brought in someone who could well do well long term and they criminally forgot the short term issues.


I've been saying this all seaosn. We spent five years thinking short-term; now we've got a long-term plan without looking at what's under our noses.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on January 03, 2016, 06:52:17 PM
Lerner is at the root of all our ills until he has gone we are rooted.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2016, 07:23:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 03, 2016, 06:45:26 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 03, 2016, 05:14:24 PM
At this point it seems the board very much like the summer transfers brought in someone who could well do well long term and they criminally forgot the short term issues.


I've been saying this all seaosn. We spent five years thinking short-term; now we've got a long-term plan without looking at what's under our noses.


What do you reckon the plan is?  As I can't see any discernible signs of one to be honest.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 03, 2016, 07:41:34 PM
I get the impression Garde is only in the job because he was out of work and relatively cheap. I'm not gonna fall for this 'long term plan' nonsense.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr woo on January 03, 2016, 08:52:06 PM
I've always thought the mark of a good manager was apparent in those that had the ability to create a team that was greater than the sum of its parts. You could call it turd polishing if you want.

Clough had it for sure, O Neill had it (don't care what you say-its true) ,  you could argue the two Ronnies (S & A)  had it.  Graham Taylor certainly had it.

Garde?

Nope.


And that's why he should never have been given the job of rescuing a club in our situation. I wouldn't want to lay the blame at his feet however.

The man I hold totally and utterly responsible is that prick Tom Fox. For making the two worst successive managerial appointments in Villas history.

He fell for Sherwoods bullshit. And the recommendation of a man who'd proved himself incompetent in the very position he was recommending someone else for!

And this is all because we have put a money man and not a FOOTBALL man in charge of football affairs.

And so you could also make the argument that the man who appointed Tom Fox is the real culprit.

Yep. You probably wouldn't be wrong.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Fasth56 on January 03, 2016, 09:43:26 PM
Quote from: Archie on January 03, 2016, 04:42:09 PM
Ok, it is not Garde that built this dreadful squad, but I have few questions....
If Garde is supposed to be good, so why....
Why  doesn't he play Traorè who is probably our most technical player?
Why has he  always preferred Gestede to Kozak that is not Ronaldo but is 3 times better?
Why was not he be able to give a bit of enthusiasm and fighting spirit to players like Veretout and Gana, that were considered excellent prospects in his own country,  or like Gestede and Ayew that costed sixteen (16!) millions of £?
Why players like Richards, that played in the English national team, and Lescott, that  was named player of the season at WBA, play like a pair of amateurs without the "ABC" of the defensive movements and tactics?
Why does he tend to play Gestede that is good only with the head in a 4-3-1-2 formation without wingers?


Just my thoughts on your questions,

Traore has undoubted talent, however he knocks the ball long and then runs after it without it looking in proper control. After his first run the brighter managers then get a player to cover the marking defender and then just nick the ball as he knocks it, thus making him ineffective. Personally I'd play him down the middle and knock the ball over the top for him to run onto.

The mystery that is Kozak, I'd play him, but that's why I transport gas and don't manage a football club.

Arguably, Vertout has responded to his management, Gana may need a bit of time. Time that if Sherwood had played him he would have had. As for Gestede I doubt any manager could improve him.

I'm sure that Garde does not roll up to training and instill in the players the errors that they show on the pitch. Richards hasn't got a clue where he should be, I think Lescott is improving but having to deal with a centre half that doesn't know where he should be, lack of a recognised left back leaves us woefully short and the less said of the fcukwit in goal who wouldn't inspire confidence in anyone. To get beat on the near post once is not acceptable to continually get beat on the near post is dereliction of duty.

I've no answer to the last point because it is no good playing on the ground to Gestede as he has a touch like a 5 yard pass. If we are going to play him then sling balls in from all over the pitch.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on January 03, 2016, 09:46:44 PM
I agree Mr Woo, Garde was the wrong appointment. Can anyone see Remi doing a SGT in any shape or form? He'll look like a forlorn Steve Keen type character for the first 2 months of the Championship season, before walking away with a handsome settlement.

What a shambles.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 03, 2016, 09:50:54 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 03, 2016, 07:23:43 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 03, 2016, 06:45:26 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 03, 2016, 05:14:24 PM
At this point it seems the board very much like the summer transfers brought in someone who could well do well long term and they criminally forgot the short term issues.


I've been saying this all seaosn. We spent five years thinking short-term; now we've got a long-term plan without looking at what's under our noses.


What do you reckon the plan is?  As I can't see any discernible signs of one to be honest.

Whilst the specific personnel can be debated until the cows come home, the structure that is now in place theoretically could provide a platform to build from.  By this I mean a scouting network, a DoF (or similar) to deal with the logistics of building whatever the manager wants and a executive in Fox who appears to have autonomy.

Our fate is no-longer solely dependent on the manager's ability and hunger and the current structure could provide continuity from one manager to the next.  None of which guarantees success and - if the right people - the benefits are unlikely to manifest themselves for a few years from now.  That is long term planning imo but provides limited comfort for our immediate problems.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 03, 2016, 09:59:48 PM
I was definitely pro Garde' appointment and have seen promise in his post match-interviews, where he generally demonstrates an intelligence and thoughtfulness lacking in TS, however there has been no measurable improvements since he started.  I think he needs to get in a few of his own players and target a point a game from here. 

That means a total for the season of 24 points, less than that and I think his position needs to be reviewed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2016, 10:09:11 PM
Agreed Dante. I would say a minimum from here should be 25 plus points. I think he has lastly improved Veretout and Ayew since coming in. Or at least picked them! Gana was looking shaky as Sherwood left and Kmac said he looked jaded in training. Maybe the move has been too much for him or he is taking time to adapt.

Kozak we will never know but reports are that he is poor in u21 games. Lescott and Okore looked OK so I think Garde should get stuck for not sticking with them and shoehorning Richards back in.

As for bringing us back, without signing one of his own players or having any pre season to imponent his ideas how can you possibly judge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 03, 2016, 10:18:27 PM
I think there may be a group of players who enjoyed the easy life under Sherwood who may not have bought into the new manager's ideas (purely a hunch) so signing a few new players to diluted their impact (or lack of) might unlock the potential of the squad a bit more.

It seems fucking ages since the club, players, manager and supporters were all in synch with each other.  Until that is resolved there will be a limit to what we will do. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on January 03, 2016, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on January 03, 2016, 10:18:27 PM
I think there may be a group of players who enjoyed the easy life under Sherwood who may not have bought into the new manager's ideas (purely a hunch) so signing a few new players to diluted their impact (or lack of) might unlock the potential of the squad a bit more.

It seems fucking ages since the club, players, manager and supporters were all in synch with each other.  Until that is resolved there will be a limit to what we will do. 

I would say 2009/10 was the last season we were a properly functioning club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Eigentor on January 03, 2016, 10:23:29 PM
I'm also pro-Garde. I agree that it doesn't seem like he has a clue about how he should get this lot to win a game, but that's probably because it's an impossible task.

Hopefully he can sign three-four reasonably decent players in the transfer window and start to turn things around. I don't see the point in sacking him now. It would only underline the club's inclination towards impulsiveness when making major decisions.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 03, 2016, 10:33:13 PM
I want it to work out for him for no other reason that it will  therefore mean that we're not as shit as we are right now.  However, I've got the nagging feeling that it'll end in a resignation when the first Atlantic depressions of next autumn sweep in and he realises that the handful of French youth team players that his paltry transfer funds have allowed him  to buy aren't going to hack it on a wet Wednesday night in Huddersfield. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2016, 10:50:33 PM
One thing I know is that if we go down, the absolute last thing I want us to do is appoint some knuckle head British relic like Pearson or whichever Allardyce impersonator is fashionable at the time.

If we are getting relegated, I want us to use it as a fucking enema for the club to the greatest extent possible - I'd like it to trigger a sale to someone who gives a fuck and is able to appoint people who have a clue what they're doing - and for those people to then actually do that, I want to bring in a CEO who understands people don't want to hear about the brand or shirt deals while we're stinking out the league, I want it to be used as a chance to shift out wasters like Agbonlahor and their seemingly endless sequences of 40k a week deals in return for about 3 goals a season, and I want it to be used to shed some of the utter, utter crud we've signed the last few seasons.

Alongside all that, I want us to have a manager who has an idea about playing football the right way.I've had enough of the whole "cling on at any costs" / "reach out for whichever lunatic we think might keep us up without thinking about the future" way of doing things.

It isn't any fun, and it will get us nowhere. This club needs near-total change, not a quick patch up job in the championship for a year before business as usual as we fight for 36 points every season.

Garde can be part of that. I honestly don't know what people were expecting from a manager coming into a club which is clearly dysfunctional, which had lost almost every game it had played for months and months, and which had at most four or five players who give the first shit about the way things are going.

There's really nobody who was going to turn that shit around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 03, 2016, 11:59:25 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12079318/.html

I'm trying not to laugh at the steward not knowing who he was.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 04, 2016, 12:08:00 AM
Good article.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 04, 2016, 12:10:36 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 03, 2016, 11:59:25 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12079318/.html

I'm trying not to laugh at the steward not knowing who he was.

The thing that p***** me of is cheap journalism like this.  We can see a lot of issues with most of the players but do the media reporters want to build a story around that.  Do they f***, we just get the easy shots in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 04, 2016, 12:14:59 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 03, 2016, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on January 03, 2016, 10:18:27 PM
I think there may be a group of players who enjoyed the easy life under Sherwood who may not have bought into the new manager's ideas (purely a hunch) so signing a few new players to diluted their impact (or lack of) might unlock the potential of the squad a bit more.

It seems fucking ages since the club, players, manager and supporters were all in synch with each other.  Until that is resolved there will be a limit to what we will do. 

I would say 2009/10 was the last season we were a properly functioning club.
At no point under Lerner have we been a properly functioning club.

The first 4 years that were viewed as a success were built on sand and the prelude to the last 5 years decline and debacle.

A properly functioning club would not have gone into a tailspin when MON walked away.
A properly functioning club would not, as Paulie has pointed out elsewhere, gone through the pain of the Houllier season to lurch from Martinez to McLeish as his replacement.
It would not be credible for a properly functioning to have it's then CEO allegedly walk away when the owner stuck his oar in about sacking a manager. - I have no idea whether this is true or not, but heard it from a couple of places at the time. The fact that it's credible is the problem.
A properly functioning club would not have awarded a failing manager a new 3 year contract as he enters his final year with little risk of him being poached.  Again stinks of an owner putting personal friendship before what's right for the club.
A properly functioning club would not have a shortlist of one when the inevitable happens with the previous manager.
A properly functioning club would not have considered employing a complete and utter narcissistic gobshite as their manager, particularly when there were several internationally respected coaches waiting for a phone call.

And the biggest of all.

A properly functioning club would never, ever have gone through a 9 year period without once, ever looking at the squad, the make up and age profile of the players in individual positions and attempt to manage it so that
1.) Unnecessary players weren't purchased without clearing space first.
2.) Players weren't signed on such wages that it would be impossible to sell them towards the end of their contracts.
3.) Allowed the above to happen and then sit back and watch far too many players wind down their contracts and leave for free.
4.) It failed to look at what the squad would look like in 1,2 and 3 years time and started buying to cover the obvious gaps for year 1 and blooding youngsters to see if they'll be ready for years 2 and 3.

All of the above have resulted in eye watering amount of being pissed up the wall on  one side and too many short term panic buys on the other resulting in a squad shorn of quality and experience which means that the few quality players we have got are fighting a losing battle.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 04, 2016, 12:15:36 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2016, 10:50:33 PM
One thing I know is that if we go down, the absolute last thing I want us to do is appoint some knuckle head British relic like Pearson or whichever Allardyce impersonator is fashionable at the time.

If we are getting relegated, I want us to use it as a fucking enema for the club to the greatest extent possible - I'd like it to trigger a sale to someone who gives a fuck and is able to appoint people who have a clue what they're doing - and for those people to then actually do that, I want to bring in a CEO who understands people don't want to hear about the brand or shirt deals while we're stinking out the league, I want it to be used as a chance to shift out wasters like Agbonlahor and their seemingly endless sequences of 40k a week deals in return for about 3 goals a season, and I want it to be used to shed some of the utter, utter crud we've signed the last few seasons.

Alongside all that, I want us to have a manager who has an idea about playing football the right way.I've had enough of the whole "cling on at any costs" / "reach out for whichever lunatic we think might keep us up without thinking about the future" way of doing things.

It isn't any fun, and it will get us nowhere. This club needs near-total change, not a quick patch up job in the championship for a year before business as usual as we fight for 36 points every season.

Garde can be part of that. I honestly don't know what people were expecting from a manager coming into a club which is clearly dysfunctional, which had lost almost every game it had played for months and months, and which had at most four or five players who give the first shit about the way things are going.

There's really nobody who was going to turn that shit around.

Agree with all of that.

Garde's reputation at Lyon was of building a side as well as having to sell high salaried players at the same time.  Give him the opportunity to rebuild the squad with players that can play football.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 04, 2016, 12:22:26 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 04, 2016, 12:14:59 AM
A properly functioning club would never, ever have gone through a 9 year period without once, ever looking at the squad, the make up and age profile of the players in individual positions and attempt to manage it so that
1.) Unnecessary players weren't purchased without clearing space first.
2.) Players weren't signed on such wages that it would be impossible to sell them towards the end of their contracts.
3.) Allowed the above to happen and then sit back and watch far too many players wind down their contracts and leave for free.
4.) It failed to look at what the squad would look like in 1,2 and 3 years time and started buying to cover the obvious gaps for year 1 and blooding youngsters to see if they'll be ready for years 2 and 3.

All of the above have resulted in eye watering amount of being pissed up the wall on  one side and too many short term panic buys on the other resulting in a squad shorn of quality and experience which means that the few quality players we have got are fighting a losing battle.



Very good points.  An example of this is our fullback positions.  First choice at the beginning of the season were Hutton and Amavi.  Backups were Bacuna and Rchardson.  Who would go into a season with two wingbacks (at best) as being cover for only two fullbacks.  What about injuries and suspensions (particularly in Hutton's case).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2016, 12:46:24 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2016, 10:50:33 PM


Garde can be part of that. I honestly don't know what people were expecting from a manager coming into a club which is clearly dysfunctional, which had lost almost every game it had played for months and months, and which had at most four or five players who give the first shit about the way things are going.

There's really nobody who was going to turn that shit around.

I wasn't expecting him to have no effect whatsoever so far, to be honest.  Sherwood had as good as relegated us by the ime he left, but surely some inprovement in results wasn't too much to ask for?  And not to keep playing that cart horse Gestede.  I agree about not appointing Pearson, but Garde has got to show something this season.  Something, anything.  In my opinion there's been nothing so far, and the last two matches have been scandalously bad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 04, 2016, 12:55:49 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 12:46:24 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2016, 10:50:33 PM


Garde can be part of that. I honestly don't know what people were expecting from a manager coming into a club which is clearly dysfunctional, which had lost almost every game it had played for months and months, and which had at most four or five players who give the first shit about the way things are going.

There's really nobody who was going to turn that shit around.

I wasn't expecting him to have no effect whatsoever so far, to be honest.  Sherwood had as good as relegated us by the ime he left, but surely some inprovement in results wasn't too much to ask for?  And not to keep playing that cart horse Gestede.  I agree about not appointing Pearson, but Garde has got to show something this season.  Something, anything.  In my opinion there's been nothing so far, and the last two matches have been scandalously bad.

The problem was that Sherwood had undermined confidence in the players and the team was spiralling downwards rapidly.  Garde came in and first of all had to put a brake on the situation before even trying to turn it around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2016, 02:08:39 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 03, 2016, 06:45:26 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 03, 2016, 05:14:24 PM
At this point it seems the board very much like the summer transfers brought in someone who could well do well long term and they criminally forgot the short term issues.


I've been saying this all seaosn. We spent five years thinking short-term; now we've got a long-term plan without looking at what's under our noses.
yet you were critical of any one raising the issue of the transfer strategy pre-season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 04, 2016, 06:37:00 AM
Remi Garde I am not sure is the man for a blood and guts fight to get out of the championship, but again if he does stop we will see yet another cycle of players going out the door, some obviously for financial reasons and go into next season with again at least 6 , 7 or 8 new players settling into life at Villa Park, this has been the ongoing situation since Randy arrived, even pube head and his two defenses in two seasons. This never allows for any connection between the players and the club and also the supporters and the players, leading to the present situation where we do not give one flying f..k about any of this current crop.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 04, 2016, 06:49:01 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 04, 2016, 12:55:49 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 12:46:24 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2016, 10:50:33 PM


Garde can be part of that. I honestly don't know what people were expecting from a manager coming into a club which is clearly dysfunctional, which had lost almost every game it had played for months and months, and which had at most four or five players who give the first shit about the way things are going.

There's really nobody who was going to turn that shit around.

I wasn't expecting him to have no effect whatsoever so far, to be honest.  Sherwood had as good as relegated us by the ime he left, but surely some inprovement in results wasn't too much to ask for?  And not to keep playing that cart horse Gestede.  I agree about not appointing Pearson, but Garde has got to show something this season.  Something, anything.  In my opinion there's been nothing so far, and the last two matches have been scandalously bad.

The problem was that Sherwood had undermined confidence in the players and the team was spiralling downwards rapidly.  Garde came in and first of all had to put a brake on the situation before even trying to turn it around.

Yet he's not been able to do either so far. I like Garde and hope he'll be successful for us. I also believe he must be given substantially more time before a meaningful verdict is possible.

Saying that, and much like Paulie, I didn't expect Garde or anyone else to really be able to turn around the shit we find ourselves in; we're just too poor. I did expect it to be *less* shit, though. I realize this point has been made repeatedly by others but I haven't seen a convincing rebuttal of it and I so desperately want to be convinced we have finally found our man.

My worry is that Garde is not an effective leader. Ignoring longer term strategic objectives, for now, I'd expect a good football manager, at a minimum, to be able to apply flexible and appropriate methods to deal with a varied set of intricate problems. I.e. he must be able to tailor his approach to circumstance. To have a disjointed and poorly functioning team improve (at least to some degree), he must understand both the team dynamics and what makes the individuals tick in order to come up with an overall approach he believes will advance performances. If performances do not then improve and it is accepted this does not reflect negatively on the manager (because the group he manages is so abysmal absolutely nothing can be done to effect a positive change), I think our expectations have been managed to such a low level they are virtually non-existent. Whatever plan Garde has executed so far has not worked for him, suggesting he may not, in fact, be able to make an underperforming team perform better which I find underwhelming. In which case it’s difficult to muster any longer term optimism. When performances are record-breaking bad, it ought to be reasonably simple to effect some level of improvement we can seize upon as a sign of things to come. I don't doubt Garde knows football, I'm just not sure he can lead.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 04, 2016, 07:10:28 AM
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. and in this case, a lame one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on January 04, 2016, 09:41:53 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on January 04, 2016, 06:37:00 AM
Remi Garde I am not sure is the man for a blood and guts fight to get out of the championship, but again if he does stop we will see yet another cycle of players going out the door, some obviously for financial reasons and go into next season with again at least 6 , 7 or 8 new players settling into life at Villa Park, this has been the ongoing situation since Randy arrived, even pube head and his two defenses in two seasons. This never allows for any connection between the players and the club and also the supporters and the players, leading to the present situation where we do not give one flying f..k about any of this current crop.

Blood and guts manager like that Eddie Howe at Bournemouth?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 04, 2016, 11:00:17 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 04, 2016, 09:41:53 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on January 04, 2016, 06:37:00 AM
Remi Garde I am not sure is the man for a blood and guts fight to get out of the championship, but again if he does stop we will see yet another cycle of players going out the door, some obviously for financial reasons and go into next season with again at least 6 , 7 or 8 new players settling into life at Villa Park, this has been the ongoing situation since Randy arrived, even pube head and his two defenses in two seasons. This never allows for any connection between the players and the club and also the supporters and the players, leading to the present situation where we do not give one flying f..k about any of this current crop.

Blood and guts manager like that Eddie Howe at Bournemouth?

Or Slavisa Jokanovic at Watford.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 04, 2016, 11:28:52 AM
Both those mentioned set out teams who yes agreed can play football, but also have a team ethic that is based on blood and guts, blood and guts does not have to be Big Sam or Warnock, what it does mean is having a midfield that does not get blown over before the first winds of autumn, having a defense that can tackle and having the team ethic of working for each other when you have the ball and fighting like hell when you have not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on January 04, 2016, 11:35:10 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 12:46:24 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2016, 10:50:33 PM


Garde can be part of that. I honestly don't know what people were expecting from a manager coming into a club which is clearly dysfunctional, which had lost almost every game it had played for months and months, and which had at most four or five players who give the first shit about the way things are going.

There's really nobody who was going to turn that shit around.

I wasn't expecting him to have no effect whatsoever so far, to be honest.  Sherwood had as good as relegated us by the ime he left, but surely some inprovement in results wasn't too much to ask for?  And not to keep playing that cart horse Gestede.  I agree about not appointing Pearson, but Garde has got to show something this season.  Something, anything.  In my opinion there's been nothing so far, and the last two matches have been scandalously bad.

Play who instead of Gestede though? And it's not as if he plays him game after game for 90 minutes. You can say Kozak but by all accounts he hasn't looked good with the stiffs so why should he be thrown in? What was criminal was that we didn't look to spend 15-20 million on a forward first and foremost in the summer and try and add a few bricks in and round that. We approached the summer like someone playing Championship Manager and having 50 million spends it stupidly on lots of okay players and no real proven quality. Going into the season with just Gestede as the main forward was crazy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2016, 11:41:02 AM
Guzan as the main Goalkepper is as daft as the Gestede situation
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 04, 2016, 11:50:29 AM
One issue that has haunted us all season is fitness or lack of it. On TS this morning it was stated that our players ran 1/2 mile less than Sunderland's on top of the fact before Garde came that we ran the least distance in the league.

We haven't worked hard enough - end of. Sherwood stated the players were not fit enough, Garde has said the same, who exactly is responsible for delivering this area??
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 11:57:44 AM
Duverne is now but we won't see his effect until march or  April. It's true though we simply don't work hard enough to complete.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 04, 2016, 12:01:15 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 04, 2016, 11:50:29 AM
One issue that has haunted us all season is fitness or lack of it. On TS this morning it was stated that our players ran 1/2 mile less than Sunderland's on top of the fact before Garde came that we ran the least distance in the league.

We haven't worked hard enough - end of. Sherwood stated the players were not fit enough, Garde has said the same, who exactly is responsible for delivering this area??
Was that 1/2 mile per player on average or 1/2 mile across the team, because one's a lot and one is chuff all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: nick harper on January 04, 2016, 12:10:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 11:57:44 AM
Duverne is now but we won't see his effect until march or  April. It's true though we simply don't work hard enough to complete.

I agree completely. There is a lack of closing down in an organised way all over the pitch, which led to more goals on Saturday. Not just that but other teams hunt the ball down in packs. How was Defoe left one on one with Lescott 12 yards out. It's beyond awful.

Garde should be demanding that effort as a minimum.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on January 04, 2016, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 04, 2016, 11:50:29 AM
One issue that has haunted us all season is fitness or lack of it. On TS this morning it was stated that our players ran 1/2 mile less than Sunderland's on top of the fact before Garde came that we ran the least distance in the league.

We haven't worked hard enough - end of. Sherwood stated the players were not fit enough, Garde has said the same, who exactly is responsible for delivering this area??

Not sure that means a great deal though. Sunderland running more may simply mean we kept the ball better. Which for large parts we did.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 04, 2016, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: peter w on January 04, 2016, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 04, 2016, 11:50:29 AM
One issue that has haunted us all season is fitness or lack of it. On TS this morning it was stated that our players ran 1/2 mile less than Sunderland's on top of the fact before Garde came that we ran the least distance in the league.

We haven't worked hard enough - end of. Sherwood stated the players were not fit enough, Garde has said the same, who exactly is responsible for delivering this area??

Not sure that means a great deal though. Sunderland running more may simply mean we kept the ball better. Which for large parts we did.

I think it's fair to say that that probably hasn't been the case in the vast majority of our games this season so the fact that we've covered less ground than everyone else would suggest we don't work anywhere near hard enough.

Klopp gave his side a shoeing for only being at 95% against West Ham effort wise - McGrath knows what he'd make of our lot.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on January 04, 2016, 12:25:07 PM
The effort is there. It's just that we're shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 04, 2016, 12:31:55 PM

No doubt we're shit, thats why we are where we are. But I also don't think we have anything like the same work rate as other sides, not just the top sides either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 04, 2016, 12:32:45 PM
Quote from: peter w on January 04, 2016, 12:25:07 PM
The effort is there. It's just that we're shit.

I don't fully agree, with a few players the effort is there. Hutton for example, when he gets forward does not track back. Is this because he can't? Or he just wont? If he can't then he shouldn't be asked to do what he is doing, simple tactical flaw. None of the midfield cover much ground, they mostly play on each others toes. Is this because they are told to do this or is it because they are lazy and don't make driving runs they are being asked to do? The forwards, their closing down is terrible, are they too slow or too half arsed about it? Whatever the reasons are and they do need to be covered we simply don't work hard enough.

Fully agree with the we are shit bit though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2016, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 04, 2016, 12:31:55 PM

No doubt we're shit, thats why we are where we are. But I also don't think we have anything like the same work rate as other sides, not just the top sides either.
I completely agree with this, we stand still and only move when the ball comes into our vicinity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 04, 2016, 12:40:00 PM
I'll be surprised if he's still our manager come the start of next season. I don't think he'll fancy it in the Championship.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 04, 2016, 12:45:57 PM
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on January 04, 2016, 12:40:00 PM
I'll be surprised if he's still our manager come the start of next season. I don't think he'll fancy it in the Championship.

He's said on a number of times that he see's this as at least a medium term job, could be bullshit, but unless there's a hell of a lot of shit and fighting behind the scenes I think he will be here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on January 04, 2016, 01:11:40 PM
Quote from: peter w on January 04, 2016, 12:25:07 PM
The effort is there. It's just that we're shit.

I disagree. This is the laziest, spineless bunch of players I've ever seen. If I was cherry picking our relegated squad in the summer, I'd go for Ayew, Amavi, Okore and Veretout. The rest, no thanks. Bacuna in particular, is an abomination of a player. I doubt if any Villa player has ever wound me up to the extent that he has.

As for Garde, I said on the day that he was appointed that this was the end for us as a Premier league side and we were then only 4 points adrift at that point. Following a long sabbatical, and no premier league experience, it appears that he has neither the tactical nouse or the fighting qualities to get us anywhere near a survival shot. Somebody above described Pearson in less than glowing terms, but he inspired Leicester players to carry on believing that they could stay up last season, when everyone said they were dead and buried. That's the sort of inspiration needed from the man in charge in desperate times. We just seem to get worse.

Garde looks a defeated man already. The calm and intellectual facade from his first few weeks has disappeared, to reveal and man who looks scared and lost during matches. In turn, the heads of the players go down as soon as there's a setback in a game. Garde may have a long term plan, but he walked into a club where all the red lights were already flashing and he has been unable so far to address this. We can't defend, our midfield is weak and unorganised and the attack toothless. Ultimately, the responsibility for his appointment is down to the clowns that employed him, no doubt he was the cheapest option and I appreciate that he has been royally stitched up, inheriting such an abysmal sqaud. Nice man, but not anywhere good enough for us I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 04, 2016, 01:14:50 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 04, 2016, 12:31:55 PM

No doubt we're shit, thats why we are where we are. But I also don't think we have anything like the same work rate as other sides, not just the top sides either.

We're bottom of the league when it comes to stats on ground covered during games as well aren't we?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 04, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on January 04, 2016, 12:40:00 PM
I'll be surprised if he's still our manager come the start of next season. I don't think he'll fancy it in the Championship.

He'll at least want to stay until he wins a game.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 04, 2016, 01:24:47 PM
I felt for him a bit on Saturday. He must be tearing his hair out at some of the goals we've let in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2016, 01:33:16 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 04, 2016, 01:24:47 PM
I felt for him a bit on Saturday. He must be tearing his hair out at some of the goals we've let in.
The questions I have is who was supposed to be protecting the Right side of midfield as the same thing happened last week with Gill on the pitch, the left back strolled up and had a free shot at goal.
Why the fuck has he not dropped Guzan?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on January 04, 2016, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.
Me too, I hope he gets to sign some players of his choice and at least gets a chance to build something here.

If we do go back in the summer to a Pearson type then we are going down the same old scattergun random approach of picking managers since MON left.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2016, 01:49:08 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.
I get this and we need to build some stability, and God do I hope it works out.
This does feel and look like an experiment though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: nick harper on January 04, 2016, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2016, 01:33:16 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 04, 2016, 01:24:47 PM
I felt for him a bit on Saturday. He must be tearing his hair out at some of the goals we've let in.
The questions I have is who was supposed to be protecting the Right side of midfield as the same thing happened last week with Gill on the pitch, the left back strolled up and had a free shot at goal.
Why the fuck has he not dropped Guzan?

The No1 priority this window should be to find a replacement for Guzan. I think he is gone at this level, punch drunk from too many defeats and more and more unconvincing performances. He will forever be associated with some of the appalling stats we've acquired in the last few years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on January 04, 2016, 02:16:27 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2016, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 04, 2016, 12:31:55 PM

No doubt we're shit, thats why we are where we are. But I also don't think we have anything like the same work rate as other sides, not just the top sides either.
I completely agree with this, we stand still and only move when the ball comes into our vicinity.

There was something on recently about the movement of the 2 Watford strikers - it was incredible. Always running into space, chasing down defenders - this was a huge factor is Watford's good form.

Then you see our giant Oak Tree rooted up front and understand why we're so poor. Certainly not just him though I might add.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 04, 2016, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

His CV is ok, not excellent. How is he qualified for the Villa job? he's never manager here, never done much in France as manager and has had a shocking start to his career over here

9 games without a win - I don't know what the worst ever start to a managerial role is, but this must be up there?

If, by "Pearson type", you mean a manager who can get a club promoted and then retain their place in the top flight, that would be exactly what we need, no? 

I hope that Garde turns out to be a good manager but, based on the start he's had at Villa, nobody can honestly say that with confidence. Everyone is guessing and hoping, me included
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 04, 2016, 02:21:45 PM
Quote from: CT on January 04, 2016, 02:16:27 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2016, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 04, 2016, 12:31:55 PM

No doubt we're shit, thats why we are where we are. But I also don't think we have anything like the same work rate as other sides, not just the top sides either.
I completely agree with this, we stand still and only move when the ball comes into our vicinity.

There was something on recently about the movement of the 2 Watford strikers - it was incredible. Always running into space, chasing down defenders - this was a huge factor is Watford's good form.

Then you see our giant Oak Tree rooted up front and understand why we're so poor. Certainly not just him though I might add.

You can't reinvent a player like Gestede. Unfortunately he is one of those languid, lumbering types without the required urgency to make him half decent at this level.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on January 04, 2016, 02:26:17 PM
Quote from: nick harper on January 04, 2016, 01:53:22 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2016, 01:33:16 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 04, 2016, 01:24:47 PM
I felt for him a bit on Saturday. He must be tearing his hair out at some of the goals we've let in.
The questions I have is who was supposed to be protecting the Right side of midfield as the same thing happened last week with Gill on the pitch, the left back strolled up and had a free shot at goal.
Why the fuck has he not dropped Guzan?

The No1 priority this window should be to find a replacement for Guzan. I think he is gone at this level, punch drunk from too many defeats and more and more unconvincing performances. He will forever be associated with some of the appalling stats we've acquired in the last few years.

Totally agree - one stat I heard at the weekend was he has played in 126 of our last 130 league games. And we all know how most of those have ended.

A good goalkeeper can get you 10 + points per season (look at Cech at Arsenal) and bad one can cost you 20+.

There should have been a replacement ready on 1st Jan. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2016, 02:27:52 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 04, 2016, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

His CV is ok, not excellent. How is he qualified for the Villa job? he's never manager here, never done much in France as manager and has had a shocking start to his career over here

9 games without a win - I don't know what the worst ever start to a managerial role is, but this must be up there?

If, by "Pearson type", you mean a manager who can get a club promoted and then retain their place in the top flight, that would be exactly what we need, no? 

I hope that Garde turns out to be a good manager but, based on the start he's had at Villa, nobody can honestly say that with confidence. Everyone is guessing and hoping, me included


Well he did a very good job rebuilding Lyon on a very small budget, so 'never done much in France is harsh'. Why's the fact he hadn't previously managed here relevant to his suitability to the role?

He hasn't had a great start, but to be fair he has a shambles of a squad and players who are determined to make horrific individual mistakes. Nigel Pearson's Leicester were buried before a remarkable end of season run. Whilst there's nothing to suggest Villa will do that, if you'd mentioned Pearson as a candidate for the Villa job this time last year it would have been laughed at. The vast majority of last season with Leicester was terrible, it was just an exceptional run that saved them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 04, 2016, 02:29:36 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2016, 02:27:52 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 04, 2016, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

His CV is ok, not excellent. How is he qualified for the Villa job? he's never manager here, never done much in France as manager and has had a shocking start to his career over here

9 games without a win - I don't know what the worst ever start to a managerial role is, but this must be up there?

If, by "Pearson type", you mean a manager who can get a club promoted and then retain their place in the top flight, that would be exactly what we need, no? 

I hope that Garde turns out to be a good manager but, based on the start he's had at Villa, nobody can honestly say that with confidence. Everyone is guessing and hoping, me included


Well he did a very good job rebuilding Lyon on a very small budget, so 'never done much in France is harsh'. Why's the fact he hadn't previously managed here relevant to his suitability to the role?

He hasn't had a great start, but to be fair he has a shambles of a squad and players who are determined to make horrific individual mistakes. Nigel Pearson's Leicester were buried before a remarkable end of season run. Whilst there's nothing to suggest Villa will do that, if you'd mentioned Pearson as a candidate for the Villa job this time last year it would have been laughed at. The vast majority of last season with Leicester was terrible, it was just an exceptional run that saved them.

Like I say, we're all hoping and guessing. But any manager who hasn't won in 9 games - I'd expect a half decent coach to get some sort of bounce from his players, however shit they are, Sherwood managed it and he was absolute cack - has to face questions. No club in the world would accept this from a new gaffer, no matter what team he inherits. The fact that we keep lurching from one shit manager to another ( in McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood) is no reason to hang onto another manager who doesn't do the business.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 04, 2016, 02:33:41 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 04, 2016, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

His CV is ok, not excellent. How is he qualified for the Villa job? he's never manager here, never done much in France as manager and has had a shocking start to his career over here

9 games without a win - I don't know what the worst ever start to a managerial role is, but this must be up there?

If, by "Pearson type", you mean a manager who can get a club promoted and then retain their place in the top flight, that would be exactly what we need, no? 

I hope that Garde turns out to be a good manager but, based on the start he's had at Villa, nobody can honestly say that with confidence. Everyone is guessing and hoping, me included

I agree with that Chico. Garde is here now so we have to give him time (last thing we need now is a change of manager) but I haven't really seen signs that things are improving sufficiently. There was structure, effort and some small grains of optimism from Southampton to West Ham but that has now dissolved. I would have been happy with a grizzled manager sorting out the defence, making us ugly and hard to beat.

Re athleticism, I mentioned this in a recent post, saying it was lacking along with skill, effort and spirit. We lost Delph and Cleverley in the summer and both were very mobile battlers, though the latter's performances only cut the mustard once Sherwood arrived.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on January 04, 2016, 02:35:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

I would challenge the term 'excellent' in regards to his CV. As a coach, it's true he paticipated in French league titles and as a manager, he won the French cup. But, this is the premier league and I can't think of a single premier league manager who has started as poorly as this in terms of results.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2016, 02:39:32 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 04, 2016, 02:29:36 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2016, 02:27:52 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 04, 2016, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

His CV is ok, not excellent. How is he qualified for the Villa job? he's never manager here, never done much in France as manager and has had a shocking start to his career over here

9 games without a win - I don't know what the worst ever start to a managerial role is, but this must be up there?

If, by "Pearson type", you mean a manager who can get a club promoted and then retain their place in the top flight, that would be exactly what we need, no? 

I hope that Garde turns out to be a good manager but, based on the start he's had at Villa, nobody can honestly say that with confidence. Everyone is guessing and hoping, me included


Well he did a very good job rebuilding Lyon on a very small budget, so 'never done much in France is harsh'. Why's the fact he hadn't previously managed here relevant to his suitability to the role?

He hasn't had a great start, but to be fair he has a shambles of a squad and players who are determined to make horrific individual mistakes. Nigel Pearson's Leicester were buried before a remarkable end of season run. Whilst there's nothing to suggest Villa will do that, if you'd mentioned Pearson as a candidate for the Villa job this time last year it would have been laughed at. The vast majority of last season with Leicester was terrible, it was just an exceptional run that saved them.

Like I say, we're all hoping and guessing. But any manager who hasn't won in 9 games - I'd expect a half decent coach to get some sort of bounce from his players, however shit they are, Sherwood managed it and he was absolute cack - has to face questions. No club in the world would accept this from a new gaffer, no matter what team he inherits. The fact that we keep lurching from one shit manager to another ( in McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood) is no reason to hang onto another manager who doesn't do the business.

We are exceptionally bad, and have an exceptionally bad squad. Sherwood did get a bounce, although if you look at the results it wasn't that remarkable, but he had Benteke, Delph, Vlaar and Cleverley. There was a spine of a team there. Garde has none of that, and has an incredible amount of work to do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 04, 2016, 02:45:52 PM
You may be right, but I'd expect a coach who is as excellent as some people on here say to make some sort of improvement on the previous shithouse's start to the season. There's been none, which suggests he's not as good as we may like to think. I know it's 9 games and that's nothing, and I would expect us to still be in the bottom 3 even if Mourinhno had taken over, but this isn't good enough from Garde. There's nothing wrong with wanting him to stay but demanding that he does better
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 03:26:01 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 12:46:24 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 03, 2016, 10:50:33 PM


Garde can be part of that. I honestly don't know what people were expecting from a manager coming into a club which is clearly dysfunctional, which had lost almost every game it had played for months and months, and which had at most four or five players who give the first shit about the way things are going.

There's really nobody who was going to turn that shit around.

I wasn't expecting him to have no effect whatsoever so far, to be honest.  Sherwood had as good as relegated us by the ime he left, but surely some inprovement in results wasn't too much to ask for?  And not to keep playing that cart horse Gestede.  I agree about not appointing Pearson, but Garde has got to show something this season.  Something, anything.  In my opinion there's been nothing so far, and the last two matches have been scandalously bad.

Strictly speaking there has been some improvement in the results. Just not enough to materially change our situation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 04, 2016, 02:29:36 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2016, 02:27:52 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 04, 2016, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

His CV is ok, not excellent. How is he qualified for the Villa job? he's never manager here, never done much in France as manager and has had a shocking start to his career over here

9 games without a win - I don't know what the worst ever start to a managerial role is, but this must be up there?

If, by "Pearson type", you mean a manager who can get a club promoted and then retain their place in the top flight, that would be exactly what we need, no? 

I hope that Garde turns out to be a good manager but, based on the start he's had at Villa, nobody can honestly say that with confidence. Everyone is guessing and hoping, me included


Well he did a very good job rebuilding Lyon on a very small budget, so 'never done much in France is harsh'. Why's the fact he hadn't previously managed here relevant to his suitability to the role?

He hasn't had a great start, but to be fair he has a shambles of a squad and players who are determined to make horrific individual mistakes. Nigel Pearson's Leicester were buried before a remarkable end of season run. Whilst there's nothing to suggest Villa will do that, if you'd mentioned Pearson as a candidate for the Villa job this time last year it would have been laughed at. The vast majority of last season with Leicester was terrible, it was just an exceptional run that saved them.

Like I say, we're all hoping and guessing. But any manager who hasn't won in 9 games - I'd expect a half decent coach to get some sort of bounce from his players, however shit they are, Sherwood managed it and he was absolute cack - has to face questions.

We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 04, 2016, 03:31:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 04, 2016, 02:29:36 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2016, 02:27:52 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 04, 2016, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

His CV is ok, not excellent. How is he qualified for the Villa job? he's never manager here, never done much in France as manager and has had a shocking start to his career over here

9 games without a win - I don't know what the worst ever start to a managerial role is, but this must be up there?

If, by "Pearson type", you mean a manager who can get a club promoted and then retain their place in the top flight, that would be exactly what we need, no? 

I hope that Garde turns out to be a good manager but, based on the start he's had at Villa, nobody can honestly say that with confidence. Everyone is guessing and hoping, me included


Well he did a very good job rebuilding Lyon on a very small budget, so 'never done much in France is harsh'. Why's the fact he hadn't previously managed here relevant to his suitability to the role?

He hasn't had a great start, but to be fair he has a shambles of a squad and players who are determined to make horrific individual mistakes. Nigel Pearson's Leicester were buried before a remarkable end of season run. Whilst there's nothing to suggest Villa will do that, if you'd mentioned Pearson as a candidate for the Villa job this time last year it would have been laughed at. The vast majority of last season with Leicester was terrible, it was just an exceptional run that saved them.

Like I say, we're all hoping and guessing. But any manager who hasn't won in 9 games - I'd expect a half decent coach to get some sort of bounce from his players, however shit they are, Sherwood managed it and he was absolute cack - has to face questions.

We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

I've taken all of that into account but when does it stop becoming Sherwood's fault though? They've both had the same team to work with this season and both been equally bad at it
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2016, 03:32:50 PM
True, but then it shouldn't be hard to actually show some improvement? And Garde has made things harder for himself at times, like with the line up v Norwich.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 04, 2016, 03:40:07 PM
Under Sherwood and MacDonald in the league we'd gone 10 without a win taking 1 point and had lost 7 in a row. That will have decimated confidence etc so for me they take the bulk of the blame as they left us in a nightmare situation, not just points wise but also in confidence, self belief and so on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ger Regan on January 04, 2016, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 03:32:50 PM
True, but then it shouldn't be hard to actually show some improvement? And Garde has made things harder for himself at times, like with the line up v Norwich.
If nothing else I can actually see a plan of sorts with Garde and how he sets us up (not that he's got it right all the time either). I genuinely had no clue what sherwood was thinking most of the time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

Before Sherwood took over, we'd drawn 3 and lost 7, including 5 straight defeats  in which time we'd scored 2 goals in 10 games. I would say that is equally horrific to be honest.  And the start of this run came not that long after the 6 game losing streak where we'd failed to score a single goal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 04, 2016, 04:06:59 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

Before Sherwood took over, we'd drawn 3 and lost 7, including 5 straight defeats  in which time we'd scored 2 goals in 10 games. I would say that is equally horrific to be honest.  And the start of this run came not that long after the 6 game losing streak where we'd failed to score a single goal.

Basically we've been shit for absolutely ages under 3 different managers and even before mention McLeish. The club is rotten to the core, sadly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on January 04, 2016, 04:08:41 PM
For me, one of the biggest issues about his suitability is who we have actually played in his first 9 games.
Had we played the 'big boys' and taken so few points then it could be kind of acceptable/understandable.
The fact his 9 games in charge include Newcastle, Sunderland, Norwich, and (injury hit) West Ham and we have yielded 2 points must place huge question marks over him.
I will give him the benefit of the doubt with Watford and Everton (who were in the middle of a bad run when we played them).   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 04:19:50 PM
Everton are in a bad run now but had battered a couple of sizes before us.  His cv I meant as a coach. Nothing is going to change or situation now so we need to let him get 3 or 4 of his own men and see if he can improve results. I agree with Risso about Norwich but in both the games against Norwich and Sunderland it had highlighted the very thin nature of the squad. I also think he needs a couple more coaches in that have maybe got some experience here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2016, 04:53:09 PM
If he doesn't get a win soon, the tide of opinion will start to turn I reckon. There's only so long the poor squad excuse will protect him. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 04, 2016, 05:05:56 PM
If he is that concerned about the squad quality then where are we with new signings and bids?  We literally do not have a moment to waste in this window if he wants to bring players in so where are they?  Maybe they've decided sod it as they think we are down.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on January 04, 2016, 05:08:24 PM
Is it too early to re -christen him Relegateme Garde or R word Garde?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 04, 2016, 05:10:19 PM
mathematically, yes it is
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on January 04, 2016, 05:10:49 PM
OK
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

Before Sherwood took over, we'd drawn 3 and lost 7, including 5 straight defeats  in which time we'd scored 2 goals in 10 games. I would say that is equally horrific to be honest.  And the start of this run came not that long after the 6 game losing streak where we'd failed to score a single goal.

My feeling on this is that it just can't be the manager every single time.

I don't think there's a manager out there who would have turned this one around. If we are going down - and we are - I would prefer to stick with the manager we have got.

It just all gets so fucking random and scattergun, people going on about Nigel Pearson based on the fact he got Leicester promoted and kept them up - uncannily like Lambert's credentials when he got the job, whilst ignoring all the evidence that he's also off his fucking head. Or daydreaming about getting David Moyes in.

If we are going down, I want a manager who wants to play the game the right way and has demonstrably made a team do that, which is what Garde has done. He is also already in place and will have had two thirds of a season in which to get to know the club.

Giving him this car crash of a season alone isn't enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on January 04, 2016, 05:28:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

Before Sherwood took over, we'd drawn 3 and lost 7, including 5 straight defeats  in which time we'd scored 2 goals in 10 games. I would say that is equally horrific to be honest.  And the start of this run came not that long after the 6 game losing streak where we'd failed to score a single goal.

My feeling on this is that it just can't be the manager every single time.

I don't think there's a manager out there who would have turned this one around. If we are going down - and we are - I would prefer to stick with the manager we have got.

It just all gets so fucking random and scattergun, people going on about Nigel Pearson based on the fact he got Leicester promoted and kept them up - uncannily like Lambert's credentials when he got the job, whilst ignoring all the evidence that he's also off his fucking head. Or daydreaming about getting David Moyes in.

If we are going down, I want a manager who wants to play the game the right way and has demonstrably made a team do that, which is what Garde has done. He is also already in place and will have had two thirds of a season in which to get to know the club.

Giving him this car crash of a season alone isn't enough.

According to Talksport Remi Garde is about 4/1 to be the next manager fired, and Remi Garde's replacement is on about 7 or 8/1 to be the one fired after that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: joe_c on January 04, 2016, 05:31:10 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

Before Sherwood took over, we'd drawn 3 and lost 7, including 5 straight defeats  in which time we'd scored 2 goals in 10 games. I would say that is equally horrific to be honest.  And the start of this run came not that long after the 6 game losing streak where we'd failed to score a single goal.

My feeling on this is that it just can't be the manager every single time.

I don't think there's a manager out there who would have turned this one around. If we are going down - and we are - I would prefer to stick with the manager we have got.

It just all gets so fucking random and scattergun, people going on about Nigel Pearson based on the fact he got Leicester promoted and kept them up - uncannily like Lambert's credentials when he got the job, whilst ignoring all the evidence that he's also off his fucking head. Or daydreaming about getting David Moyes in.

If we are going down, I want a manager who wants to play the game the right way and has demonstrably made a team do that, which is what Garde has done. He is also already in place and will have had two thirds of a season in which to get to know the club.

Giving him this car crash of a season alone isn't enough.

Exactly. The only way in which the season could get worse would be Nigel Pearson pitching up in B6 with a vanload of players you'd want next to you in the trenches while simultaneously rolling their sleeves up and running through brick walls. Fuck that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on January 04, 2016, 05:36:14 PM
Well you say fuck that, and I'm not in absolute disagreement, but there's  reason SGT signed the likes of David Hunt and Steve Sims when he first came in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on January 04, 2016, 05:51:04 PM
Quote from: peter w on January 04, 2016, 05:36:14 PM
Well you say fuck that, and I'm not in absolute disagreement, but there's  reason SGT signed the likes of David Hunt and Steve Sims when he first came in.

The reason being it was 30 years ago, his ideas didn't work so well last time around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 04, 2016, 05:57:09 PM
You can spin stats how you want though.

I do see an improvement under Garde. Sherwood/Mcdonald lost 9 of 11 matches. Garde has lost 50%. Not great by any stretch but given that he has to work with that shit house defence and no functioning striker exactly what do you expect of him?

Their confidence is shot and the dressing room fractured, with the Senior Pro's undermining everything he tries. What on earth is he supposed to do about that in a couple of months?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 04, 2016, 06:30:32 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

Before Sherwood took over, we'd drawn 3 and lost 7, including 5 straight defeats  in which time we'd scored 2 goals in 10 games. I would say that is equally horrific to be honest.  And the start of this run came not that long after the 6 game losing streak where we'd failed to score a single goal.

My feeling on this is that it just can't be the manager every single time.

I don't think there's a manager out there who would have turned this one around. If we are going down - and we are - I would prefer to stick with the manager we have got.

It just all gets so fucking random and scattergun, people going on about Nigel Pearson based on the fact he got Leicester promoted and kept them up - uncannily like Lambert's credentials when he got the job, whilst ignoring all the evidence that he's also off his fucking head. Or daydreaming about getting David Moyes in.

If we are going down, I want a manager who wants to play the game the right way and has demonstrably made a team do that, which is what Garde has done. He is also already in place and will have had two thirds of a season in which to get to know the club.

Giving him this car crash of a season alone isn't enough.



What i was hearing was it was actually cambiasso that changed things at leicester . He started to take over the dressing room and doing all the talks etc, not sure how true it is. I wish we had signed him thou .
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on January 04, 2016, 06:31:24 PM
I'm not that sure that Garde will be here after the season ends, he seems the type that would walk away
if he felt he couldn't turn things around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 04, 2016, 06:35:38 PM
And the senior pros probably talking more to Sherwood on their phones than to Remi Garde.

There is going to be blood on the floor at Bodymoor Heath and it will not be Remi Garde's. The showdown is bubbling under I think. We will not start winning until there has been a blood letting.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 04, 2016, 06:44:29 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 04, 2016, 06:35:38 PM
And the senior pros probably talking more to Sherwood on their phones than to Remi Garde.

There is going to be blood on the floor at Bodymoor Heath and it will not be Remi Garde's. The showdown is bubbling under I think. We will not start winning until there has been a blood letting.

Agreed. And the club stand behind Garde. Don't be surprised to see Richards "moved on" in January if someone wants to pay his wages.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 04, 2016, 06:48:50 PM
Or even if they won't pay all his wages. I can see him and Gabby playing a lot of ping pong in 2016.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on January 04, 2016, 06:55:01 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 04, 2016, 06:30:32 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

Before Sherwood took over, we'd drawn 3 and lost 7, including 5 straight defeats  in which time we'd scored 2 goals in 10 games. I would say that is equally horrific to be honest.  And the start of this run came not that long after the 6 game losing streak where we'd failed to score a single goal.

My feeling on this is that it just can't be the manager every single time.

I don't think there's a manager out there who would have turned this one around. If we are going down - and we are - I would prefer to stick with the manager we have got.

It just all gets so fucking random and scattergun, people going on about Nigel Pearson based on the fact he got Leicester promoted and kept them up - uncannily like Lambert's credentials when he got the job, whilst ignoring all the evidence that he's also off his fucking head. Or daydreaming about getting David Moyes in.

If we are going down, I want a manager who wants to play the game the right way and has demonstrably made a team do that, which is what Garde has done. He is also already in place and will have had two thirds of a season in which to get to know the club.

Giving him this car crash of a season alone isn't enough.



What i was hearing was it was actually cambiasso that changed things at leicester . He started to take over the dressing room and doing all the talks etc, not sure how true it is. I wish we had signed him thou .

Thy wishes are well said, for I too do wisheth that young cambiasso had pledged his troth unto villa, as do thou. I am unsure as to whether he would have agreed though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2016, 07:10:46 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 04, 2016, 06:35:38 PM
And the senior pros probably talking more to Sherwood on their phones than to Remi Garde.

There is going to be blood on the floor at Bodymoor Heath and it will not be Remi Garde's. The showdown is bubbling under I think. We will not start winning until there has been a blood letting.

I agree and I think Remi has picked up on that. Hence the isolation of the likes of Agbonlahor and N'Zogbia. We need to get rid of those players who have come to accept defeat as the norm. Contrast the stupid grin on Gabby's face when he misses a chance, compared to the anguish of Ayew when he scored a wonder goal but it wasn't enough to get a win.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 04, 2016, 07:17:21 PM
Quote from: peter w on January 04, 2016, 12:25:07 PM
The effort is there. It's just that we're shit.

I think they're willing but they're clearly lacking fitness.  Statistics need to be used with caution, however if you're at the bottom of the league for distance covered then that clearly puts the team at at a disadvantage.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2016, 07:18:10 PM
I'm going to say the same thing I said about Ayew when he was getting called hopeless by some after a handful of games. Garde needs time, I know we tend to forget the good bits because of the horror of the bad bits, but at times we've played nicely under him. He has a massive job on and it isn't going to turn around quick enough for this season. But I think he has the right philosophy on football and if he can rid of the rotten apples who have plagued this club for years I think he'll turn us round.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ger Regan on January 04, 2016, 07:29:19 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 04, 2016, 06:44:29 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 04, 2016, 06:35:38 PM
And the senior pros probably talking more to Sherwood on their phones than to Remi Garde.

There is going to be blood on the floor at Bodymoor Heath and it will not be Remi Garde's. The showdown is bubbling under I think. We will not start winning until there has been a blood letting.

Agreed. And the club stand behind Garde. Don't be surprised to see Richards "moved on" in January if someone wants to pay his wages.
I've no real evidence for it, but I suspect him and agbonlahor to be two of the main ringleaders of any group causing trouble behind the scenes. There was something very off about agbonlahor being given an english - french dictionary in one of those god awful youtube clips before christmas (wasn't it given to him by richards too?). I seem to recall that there were rumours of him having a falling out with a previous manager as well (houllier?).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 04, 2016, 07:43:23 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 04, 2016, 05:57:09 PM
You can spin stats how you want though.

I do see an improvement under Garde. Sherwood/Mcdonald lost 9 of 11 matches. Garde has lost 50%. Not great by any stretch but given that he has to work with that shit house defence and no functioning striker exactly what do you expect of him?

Their confidence is shot and the dressing room fractured, with the Senior Pro's undermining everything he tries. What on earth is he supposed to do about that in a couple of months?



Drop all the senior players that don't tow the line. My way or the high way. Someone needs to be strong and get these kids back in line.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

Before Sherwood took over, we'd drawn 3 and lost 7, including 5 straight defeats  in which time we'd scored 2 goals in 10 games. I would say that is equally horrific to be honest.  And the start of this run came not that long after the 6 game losing streak where we'd failed to score a single goal.

My feeling on this is that it just can't be the manager every single time.

I don't think there's a manager out there who would have turned this one around. If we are going down - and we are - I would prefer to stick with the manager we have got.

It just all gets so fucking random and scattergun, people going on about Nigel Pearson based on the fact he got Leicester promoted and kept them up - uncannily like Lambert's credentials when he got the job, whilst ignoring all the evidence that he's also off his fucking head. Or daydreaming about getting David Moyes in.

If we are going down, I want a manager who wants to play the game the right way and has demonstrably made a team do that, which is what Garde has done. He is also already in place and will have had two thirds of a season in which to get to know the club.

Giving him this car crash of a season alone isn't enough.

I mostly agree with you to be fair, and that utter cretin Pearson is the last manager in the world I'd want anywhere near the place.  Seriously, that would be it for me while he was in charge.  But I do want to see some improvement under Garde during the rest of the season.  We're relegated, that's taken as read, but if he could get say, 5 or 6 decent wins to at least give us a bit of hope, it will be progress, and we can have some optimism.  If we go another ten without winning and are then relegated by March, I think he'll have to pay the price.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 04, 2016, 07:47:26 PM
The difference between Sherwood and Garde is that the former gave us a 'new manager lift' when he took over last year and those wins kept us up. It turned sour in the end but I'll be thankful he kept us in the league. Sadly Garde has given us no impact whatsoever. In fact he looks lost.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 04, 2016, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on January 04, 2016, 07:29:19 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 04, 2016, 06:44:29 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 04, 2016, 06:35:38 PM
And the senior pros probably talking more to Sherwood on their phones than to Remi Garde.

There is going to be blood on the floor at Bodymoor Heath and it will not be Remi Garde's. The showdown is bubbling under I think. We will not start winning until there has been a blood letting.

Agreed. And the club stand behind Garde. Don't be surprised to see Richards "moved on" in January if someone wants to pay his wages.
I've no real evidence for it, but I suspect him and agbonlahor to be two of the main ringleaders of any group causing trouble behind the scenes. There was something very off about agbonlahor being given an english - french dictionary in one of those god awful youtube clips before christmas (wasn't it given to him by richards too?). I seem to recall that there were rumours of him having a falling out with a previous manager as well (houllier?).

Someone mentioned that he fell out with Duverne whilst he was with us under Houllier.  ...Well he's back now so I can imagine that Gabby would be on the wrong side of any groups.

It frustrates me that the role models around the clubs always seems to be the like of Collins, Dunne and Gabby rather than Barry, Petrov or Milner. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 04, 2016, 07:53:43 PM
I'm pretty sure Milner, Barry and Petrov were role models too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 04, 2016, 07:57:59 PM
Gabby and Richards are thick as thieves, they hand around together outside of training.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 04, 2016, 08:00:14 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 04, 2016, 07:53:43 PM
I'm pretty sure Milner, Barry and Petrov were role models too.

Sorry, my point was that they leave before they become an age where they're likely to be the spokesman and dictate the tone for the squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 04, 2016, 08:01:04 PM
I don't think Garde is the type of manager to give you a bounce. Sherwood improved performances temporarily by injecting positive energy and belief with a very simple approach. That's fine short term, but if it's all you have in your locker, then you'll get found out in the end.

Garde is more thoughtful and reserved, he'll probably be great for the long term if he gets to mould a team gradually, with players who have the attributes he wants. But short term, he's not the ideal option.

The problem at Villa is that while the powers that be are guilty of some very bad decisions, they have also made some reasonably sensible ones, but they never seem to be made at the right time. We swing pendulum-style from one approach to another, with no suggestion that anyone has a clear, broad vision of what needs to be done, how, and when.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2016, 08:01:20 PM

Quote from: aj2k77 on January 04, 2016, 07:57:59 PM
Gabby and Richards are thick as thieves, pigshit


I done a fix
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 04, 2016, 08:02:43 PM
The reason why Sherwood had dead cat bounce and Garde does not have dead cat bounce is that Garde wants a live cat.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on January 04, 2016, 08:03:44 PM
We might be in danger here of making presumptions about Richards and Agbonlahor which may not be true of course. There are always players out there with big egos and an 'I'm so much better than this' kind of attitude. I won the league you know Billy big balls etc. If that is the case, fuck it, drop them and let the fans know why they've been dropped. You never know, it might actually galvanize the team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 04, 2016, 08:05:19 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on January 04, 2016, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on January 04, 2016, 07:29:19 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 04, 2016, 06:44:29 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 04, 2016, 06:35:38 PM
And the senior pros probably talking more to Sherwood on their phones than to Remi Garde.

There is going to be blood on the floor at Bodymoor Heath and it will not be Remi Garde's. The showdown is bubbling under I think. We will not start winning until there has been a blood letting.

Agreed. And the club stand behind Garde. Don't be surprised to see Richards "moved on" in January if someone wants to pay his wages.
I've no real evidence for it, but I suspect him and agbonlahor to be two of the main ringleaders of any group causing trouble behind the scenes. There was something very off about agbonlahor being given an english - french dictionary in one of those god awful youtube clips before christmas (wasn't it given to him by richards too?). I seem to recall that there were rumours of him having a falling out with a previous manager as well (houllier?).

Someone mentioned that he fell out with Duverne whilst he was with us under Houllier.  ...Well he's back now so I can imagine that Gabby would be on the wrong side of any groups.

It frustrates me that the role models around the clubs always seems to be the like of Collins, Dunne and Gabby rather than Barry, Petrov or Milner. 
Interesting that Gabby is out with a "bad back"....cue numerous jokes about spine/backbone etc...
reminds me of the standard joke for shirkers when I worked down the pit....(insert name) was off for a day cos he had to have an x-ray...to see if there was any work left in him!

Having endured the last two games it's pretty clear to see which players seem to give a fu*k.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 08:36:50 PM
Isn't there a rumour Richards had done some kind of derogatory impersonation of  Garde?

If we could sell him now for a couple of million I would.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: fredm on January 04, 2016, 08:43:42 PM
Wasn't Garde Wenger's "man in the dressing room" when Wenger first came to Arsenal?  I have read that he would explain exactly what Wenger was trying to do, his tactics etc. to the other players who no doubt had some reservations as to all this new fangled stuff Wenger was bringing in. Maybe he needs one/two experienced back up men in the team/dressing room to convince the rest of them that his way is the best way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 04, 2016, 08:46:17 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 04, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

Before Sherwood took over, we'd drawn 3 and lost 7, including 5 straight defeats  in which time we'd scored 2 goals in 10 games. I would say that is equally horrific to be honest.  And the start of this run came not that long after the 6 game losing streak where we'd failed to score a single goal.

My feeling on this is that it just can't be the manager every single time.

I don't think there's a manager out there who would have turned this one around. If we are going down - and we are - I would prefer to stick with the manager we have got.

It just all gets so fucking random and scattergun, people going on about Nigel Pearson based on the fact he got Leicester promoted and kept them up - uncannily like Lambert's credentials when he got the job, whilst ignoring all the evidence that he's also off his fucking head. Or daydreaming about getting David Moyes in.

If we are going down, I want a manager who wants to play the game the right way and has demonstrably made a team do that, which is what Garde has done. He is also already in place and will have had two thirds of a season in which to get to know the club.

Giving him this car crash of a season alone isn't enough.

I mostly agree with you to be fair, and that utter cretin Pearson is the last manager in the world I'd want anywhere near the place.  Seriously, that would be it for me while he was in charge.  But I do want to see some improvement under Garde during the rest of the season.  We're relegated, that's taken as read, but if he could get say, 5 or 6 decent wins to at least give us a bit of hope, it will be progress, and we can have some optimism.  If we go another ten without winning and are then relegated by March, I think he'll have to pay the price.

I agree with all of that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 04, 2016, 08:58:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 08:36:50 PM
Isn't there a rumour Richards had done some kind of derogatory impersonation of  Garde?

If we could sell him now for a couple of million I would.

Richards has done some kind of derogatory impersonation of a centre back all season. Nothing to do with these rumours of him being trouble but there's something about him I really don't like.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on January 04, 2016, 09:00:40 PM
He's far from the only person to blame for this season, but it will make me slightly happier to not have Micah Richards at Aston Villa when he finally gets gone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 04, 2016, 09:01:42 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 04, 2016, 07:57:59 PM
Gabby and Richards are thick as thieves, they hand around together outside of training.

What a pair of w¤¤kers
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 04, 2016, 09:04:29 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 04, 2016, 08:58:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 08:36:50 PM
Isn't there a rumour Richards had done some kind of derogatory impersonation of  Garde?

If we could sell him now for a couple of million I would.

Richards has done some kind of derogatory impersonation of a centre back all season. Nothing to do with these rumours of him being trouble but there's something about him I really don't like.

If I was Okore I'd be well pissed off to have been benched for that abject excuse for a performance on Saturday.

The way Richards is playing there should be someone checking his distant relatives and acquaintances to see if anyone was really lumping on us to finish with less than 20 points back in July.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 04, 2016, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 04, 2016, 08:02:43 PM
The reason why Sherwood had dead cat bounce and Garde does not have dead cat bounce is that Garde wants a live cat.

At the moment, Brian, even Schrodinger's cat would be welcome.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 04, 2016, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: Newby on January 04, 2016, 08:03:44 PM
We might be in danger here of making presumptions about Richards and Agbonlahor which may not be true of course. There are always players out there with big egos and an 'I'm so much better than this' kind of attitude. I won the league you know Billy big balls etc. If that is the case, fuck it, drop them and let the fans know why they've been dropped. You never know, it might actually galvanize the team.

The first line is very true. It's quite possible that what Cheltenhamlion has said on the other thread is true but it also may not be. I do find it hard to believe that a player can dictate where he plays and Garde doesn't come across as the type of manager who would stand for that anyway.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 04, 2016, 09:46:41 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 04, 2016, 07:43:23 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 04, 2016, 05:57:09 PM
You can spin stats how you want though.

I do see an improvement under Garde. Sherwood/Mcdonald lost 9 of 11 matches. Garde has lost 50%. Not great by any stretch but given that he has to work with that shit house defence and no functioning striker exactly what do you expect of him?

Their confidence is shot and the dressing room fractured, with the Senior Pro's undermining everything he tries. What on earth is he supposed to do about that in a couple of months?



Drop all the senior players that don't tow the line. My way or the high way. Someone needs to be strong and get these kids back in line.

Absolutely agreed. That is not of Garde's making though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 04, 2016, 09:49:54 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on January 04, 2016, 07:29:19 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 04, 2016, 06:44:29 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 04, 2016, 06:35:38 PM
And the senior pros probably talking more to Sherwood on their phones than to Remi Garde.

There is going to be blood on the floor at Bodymoor Heath and it will not be Remi Garde's. The showdown is bubbling under I think. We will not start winning until there has been a blood letting.

Agreed. And the club stand behind Garde. Don't be surprised to see Richards "moved on" in January if someone wants to pay his wages.
I've no real evidence for it, but I suspect him and agbonlahor to be two of the main ringleaders of any group causing trouble behind the scenes. There was something very off about agbonlahor being given an english - french dictionary in one of those god awful youtube clips before christmas (wasn't it given to him by richards too?). I seem to recall that there were rumours of him having a falling out with a previous manager as well (houllier?).

If what I hear is correct you might well be right. 110-20 grand a week down the toilet on them. Dear Lord.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 04, 2016, 09:50:30 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on January 04, 2016, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 04, 2016, 08:02:43 PM
The reason why Sherwood had dead cat bounce and Garde does not have dead cat bounce is that Garde wants a live cat.

At the moment, Brian, even Schrodinger's cat would be welcome.
Applauds.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 04, 2016, 09:52:30 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 08:36:50 PM
Isn't there a rumour Richards had done some kind of derogatory impersonation of  Garde?

If we could sell him now for a couple of million I would.

Yep. On both.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 04, 2016, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 04, 2016, 08:36:50 PM
Isn't there a rumour Richards had done some kind of derogatory impersonation of  Garde?

If we could sell him now for a couple of million I would.

If the stuff about him having his arse in his hands about playing fullback are true, plus this you'd almost think he was trying to force his way out of the door.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 04, 2016, 10:02:20 PM
Richards reminds me as one of those thick as pigshit dickheads at school who spend all their time drawing cocks on Tricolore and showing off to girls instead of trying to learn things.

Whatever Garde's failings, I wouldn't blame him for failing to get through to twats like that who are obsessed with his foreignness and have no interest in learning from him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2016, 10:06:27 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 04, 2016, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: Newby on January 04, 2016, 08:03:44 PM
We might be in danger here of making presumptions about Richards and Agbonlahor which may not be true of course. There are always players out there with big egos and an 'I'm so much better than this' kind of attitude. I won the league you know Billy big balls etc. If that is the case, fuck it, drop them and let the fans know why they've been dropped. You never know, it might actually galvanize the team.

The first line is very true. It's quite possible that what Cheltenhamlion has said on the other thread is true but it also may not be. I do find it hard to believe that a player can dictate where he plays and Garde doesn't come across as the type of manager who would stand for that anyway.

I dunno, he seems quite timid and unsure of himself to me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2016, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 04, 2016, 10:02:20 PM
Richards reminds me as one of those thick as pigshit dickheads at school who spend all their time drawing cocks on Tricolore

Guilty.  The page where people were pretending to play instruments, as I recall.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 04, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 04, 2016, 10:02:20 PM
Richards reminds me as one of those thick as pigshit dickheads at school who spend all their time drawing cocks on Tricolore

Guilty.  The page where people were pretending to play instruments, as I recall.

Yeah OK I did it too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 04, 2016, 10:16:28 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 04, 2016, 10:02:20 PM
Richards reminds me as one of those thick as pigshit dickheads at school who spend all their time drawing cocks on Tricolore

Guilty.  The page where people were pretending to play instruments, as I recall.

On my copy of Triclolore 3a, La Rochelle looked like Mayday round your way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2016, 10:29:33 PM
Google has been disappointingly lax when asked to turn up some old Tricolore pages.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 04, 2016, 10:47:46 PM
Where has this Richards rumour come from?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on January 04, 2016, 11:39:02 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 04, 2016, 10:47:46 PM
Where has this Richards rumour come from?
It's this years 'Why didn't Barry take the penalty'.

It's quite remarkable that we have not tried him at right back, he's useless in the middle and has played right back for the majority of his career.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 04, 2016, 11:41:09 PM
Quote from: Ian J on January 04, 2016, 11:39:02 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 04, 2016, 10:47:46 PM
Where has this Richards rumour come from?
It's this years 'Why didn't Barry take the penalty'.

It's quite remarkable that we have not tried him at right back, he's useless in the middle and has played right back for the majority of his career.

It's a false narrative alright.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2016, 11:50:41 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 04, 2016, 10:47:46 PM
Where has this Richards rumour come from?

What, that he's a footballer?  Dunno.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on January 05, 2016, 12:03:41 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 04, 2016, 10:06:27 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 04, 2016, 09:45:45 PM
Quote from: Newby on January 04, 2016, 08:03:44 PM
We might be in danger here of making presumptions about Richards and Agbonlahor which may not be true of course. There are always players out there with big egos and an 'I'm so much better than this' kind of attitude. I won the league you know Billy big balls etc. If that is the case, fuck it, drop them and let the fans know why they've been dropped. You never know, it might actually galvanize the team.

The first line is very true. It's quite possible that what Cheltenhamlion has said on the other thread is true but it also may not be. I do find it hard to believe that a player can dictate where he plays and Garde doesn't come across as the type of manager who would stand for that anyway.

I dunno, he seems quite timid and unsure of himself to me.

He tell fat Sam to do one though at the weekend, whether right or wrong he wasn't being timid or unsure
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2016, 12:29:57 AM
He just didn't shake his hand, hardly offering him out for pistols at dawn.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 05, 2016, 07:03:50 AM
All this about Senior Players not doing this, not doing that, taking the piss out of him etc, etc, surely Garde is in the perfect position to act on this and have the full backing of the support for doing it.
We all accept that we are shit, but also please remember that we were all saying on here not that long ago, anyone but Sherwood could get more out of this squad, well it appears we did not find Mr. Anyone.
Back to the point thou, if he dropped what we all believe are absolute chancers and crap players, Guzan, Hutton, Gestede, Richards if he wont play full back, Bacnightmare,Westwood, Gabby and whoever else we all think are crap and then played kids, but stated that the reason he has to play the kids is because his senior players will not buy into what he is trying to accomplish or that they are not good enough and he has not got time to waste trying to preach to the non-believers, he would have almost 100% support from us and we would accept that maybe this was the foundations for something new and better.
But he doesn't, he still plays Gestede, Bacnightmare, Guzan and the like, week in and week out. I strongly believe we have another insight into our marvelous non footballing top management structure decision making again, ala Mr. Crap Manager number ???????
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on January 05, 2016, 07:26:18 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on January 05, 2016, 07:03:50 AM
All this about Senior Players not doing this, not doing that, taking the piss out of him etc, etc, surely Garde is in the perfect position to act on this and have the full backing of the support for doing it.
We all accept that we are shit, but also please remember that we were all saying on here not that long ago, anyone but Sherwood could get more out of this squad, well it appears we did not find Mr. Anyone.
Back to the point thou, if he dropped what we all believe are absolute chancers and crap players, Guzan, Hutton, Gestede, Richards if he wont play full back, Bacnightmare,Westwood, Gabby and whoever else we all think are crap and then played kids, but stated that the reason he has to play the kids is because his senior players will not buy into what he is trying to accomplish or that they are not good enough and he has not got time to waste trying to preach to the non-believers, he would have almost 100% support from us and we would accept that maybe this was the foundations for something new and better.
But he doesn't, he still plays Gestede, Bacnightmare, Guzan and the like, week in and week out. I strongly believe we have another insight into our marvelous non footballing top management structure decision making again, ala Mr. Crap Manager number ???????

I can see the appeal but in reality he would then get stick for creating another "bomb squad" of players earning millions and not contributing. When results are poor there is a tendency to criticise everyone and everything and think that there are simple solutions to complex issues.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 05, 2016, 07:33:28 AM
But Chris this is his best time to stamp any authority he may have, if it is a case that he is being told "At no point do you create the faux-pas that was our last Bomb Squad" we have just employed another "Yes Man" for Fox and Lerner.
He did not buy any of these players, so if he thinks their attitude is wrong or that they basically are not good enough and after trying to change that attitude or increase their ability it is a lost cause he has to be backed and as stated previously he would probably get the backing of 99% of the support, the supporters are not fools and we can see something on the playing side stinks and he needs to convince the support he is strong enough to attack it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: nuninho on January 05, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Who realistically can he replace these players with?  Its easy saying play the youth players, but that will only end up in 6-0 gubbings every week.  Until he gets to bring in his own players he's got one hand tied behind his back - all he can do is pick what he has.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 08:41:54 AM
Quote from: nuninho on January 05, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Who realistically can he replace these players with?  Its easy saying play the youth players, but that will only end up in 6-0 gubbings every week.  Until he gets to bring in his own players he's got one hand tied behind his back - all he can do is pick what he has.

Andre Green for Westwood.  From what I've seen of him in reserve games. He's definitely ready for selection.
Jerell Sellars for Gestede - 4 goals in 11 games for the reserves this season. Surely he's worth a selection.
Janoi Donacien for Hutton - albeit he's on loan at Newport.

Three lads whereby they have less ability but might benefit from the opportunity of playing.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 05, 2016, 08:58:26 AM
There is understandable impatience that Garde is not rushing into anything.

It is a matter of personal opinion but I see signs of change. In patches the football is good, fitness appears to be improving and media interviews with Garde are not the cringeworthy stuff we got from his predecessors.  Small changes but significant ones.  I have seen been to all but two of his games in charge and that is my personal impression.

Of course the deeper five years old malaise still grips us.  Lack of confidence, lack of character, lack of leadership, lack of courage, lack of intelligence, lack of team spirit, lack of quality players in key positions, lack of loyalty and possibly the cruellest shortage of all, lack of the bit of luck all winning teams need.

Against that you have to set the fact that we were already screwed before the clocks went back.  By screwed I mean we had been humiliated in the cup final and lost the plot completely in our end of season games.  I also mean by screwed we were facing one of two equally bad scenarios, going on wallowing a relegation battle or getting relegated. That is what Remi Garde walked into with the added cherry on top of a CEO who had showed every sign of naivety and cronyism when lubricating Sherwood on to a short list of one to replace Lambert.

This is my own personal opinion and not expressed here to provoke or inflame any fellow poster, but I respect and admire Remi Garde for accepting the task.

His first transfer window and his first chance to correct a massively faulty squad is two days old, he must be allowed to get on with his work as he sees it.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 05, 2016, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 08:41:54 AM
Quote from: nuninho on January 05, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Who realistically can he replace these players with?  Its easy saying play the youth players, but that will only end up in 6-0 gubbings every week.  Until he gets to bring in his own players he's got one hand tied behind his back - all he can do is pick what he has.

Andre Green for Westwood.  From what I've seen of him in reserve games. He's definitely ready for selection.
Jerell Sellars for Gestede - 4 goals in 11 games for the reserves this season. Surely he's worth a selection.
Janoi Donacien for Hutton - albeit he's on loan at Newport.

Three lads whereby they have less ability but might benefit from the opportunity of playing.



I think Donacien is a centre half, not a full back unless he's playing there for Newport.

 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 09:41:42 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 05, 2016, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 08:41:54 AM
Quote from: nuninho on January 05, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Who realistically can he replace these players with?  Its easy saying play the youth players, but that will only end up in 6-0 gubbings every week.  Until he gets to bring in his own players he's got one hand tied behind his back - all he can do is pick what he has.

Andre Green for Westwood.  From what I've seen of him in reserve games. He's definitely ready for selection.
Jerell Sellars for Gestede - 4 goals in 11 games for the reserves this season. Surely he's worth a selection.
Janoi Donacien for Hutton - albeit he's on loan at Newport.

Three lads whereby they have less ability but might benefit from the opportunity of playing.



I think Donacien is a centre half, not a full back unless he's playing there for Newport.

 

Donacien can play Centre Half and Full Back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 05, 2016, 09:43:28 AM
Quote from: nuninho on January 05, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Who realistically can he replace these players with?  Its easy saying play the youth players, but that will only end up in 6-0 gubbings every week.  Until he gets to bring in his own players he's got one hand tied behind his back - all he can do is pick what he has.

I'm not sure what his injury status is, but surely we are fast approaching sink or swim time for Gary Gardner.  With relegation pretty much all but confirmed, I would like to see him given a run in the side so a decision can be made on him. 

Although I don't think they are good enough for top flight football, the likes of Westwood, Clark and Bacuna don't seem to have too much of an attitude problem and will be fine squad players in the Championship.  It's the highly paid ones that seem to be a bad influence that need to be gone. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 05, 2016, 09:53:03 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 05, 2016, 09:43:28 AM
Quote from: nuninho on January 05, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Who realistically can he replace these players with?  Its easy saying play the youth players, but that will only end up in 6-0 gubbings every week.  Until he gets to bring in his own players he's got one hand tied behind his back - all he can do is pick what he has.

I'm not sure what his injury status is, but surely we are fast approaching sink or swim time for Gary Gardner.  With relegation pretty much all but confirmed, I would like to see him given a run in the side so a decision can be made on him. 

Although I don't think they are good enough for top flight football, the likes of Westwood, Clark and Bacuna don't seem to have too much of an attitude problem and will be fine squad players in the Championship.  It's the highly paid ones that seem to be a bad influence that need to be gone.

Yes, if we don't get anyone in this window midfield wise, I think I'd give Gardner a run as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 05, 2016, 09:57:10 AM
Last rumours I saw were that he was on his way to Forest on loan again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villasjf on January 05, 2016, 10:06:06 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 09:41:42 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 05, 2016, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 08:41:54 AM
Quote from: nuninho on January 05, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Who realistically can he replace these players with?  Its easy saying play the youth players, but that will only end up in 6-0 gubbings every week.  Until he gets to bring in his own players he's got one hand tied behind his back - all he can do is pick what he has.

Andre Green for Westwood.  From what I've seen of him in reserve games. He's definitely ready for selection.
Jerell Sellars for Gestede - 4 goals in 11 games for the reserves this season. Surely he's worth a selection.
Janoi Donacien for Hutton - albeit he's on loan at Newport.

Three lads whereby they have less ability but might benefit from the opportunity of playing.



I think Donacien is a centre half, not a full back unless he's playing there for Newport.

 

Donacien can play Centre Half and Full Back.
He has just extended his loan till the end of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 05, 2016, 10:07:38 AM
I agree with the sentiment that the rest of this season should be about separating the rotten apples from the ones who are going to be important to us next season, so that we at least end the season with a coherent team that's all moving in the same direction and actually playing for Garde. From that perspective our situation being so unsalvageable is a blessing in disguise for Garde since now staying up is a lost cause he can do what he wants without being held to ransom by any player because they have no leverage. What difference do a few 6 nils make in the process?

Personally, I think the biggest problem during the Lerner era has been the poor discipline among the players, stemming from the inconsistencies in how they're managed. So we get the seat of the pants back slappers like MON and Sherwood, interspersed with technocrats like Houllier and Garde trying to polish turds like Dunne and Richards. Another reason why the lack of an overarching plan behind the managerial appointments has killed us (thanks Randy). It's back to dicks on Tricolore. Garde seems to have more about him than the rest so what have we got to lose by letting him oversee a slash and burn restructuring of the squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2016, 10:21:55 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 08:41:54 AM
Quote from: nuninho on January 05, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Who realistically can he replace these players with?  Its easy saying play the youth players, but that will only end up in 6-0 gubbings every week.  Until he gets to bring in his own players he's got one hand tied behind his back - all he can do is pick what he has.

Andre Green for Westwood.  From what I've seen of him in reserve games. He's definitely ready for selection.
Jerell Sellars for Gestede - 4 goals in 11 games for the reserves this season. Surely he's worth a selection.
Janoi Donacien for Hutton - albeit he's on loan at Newport.

Three lads whereby they have less ability but might benefit from the opportunity of playing.



To be honest I have no idea if Sellars is ready or not, but 4 goals in 11 reserve games is not the sort of stat that screams he should be playing for the 1st team now. It's reasonable, but it's hardly remarkable given the level.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Olof's Beard on January 05, 2016, 10:25:55 AM
Players like Vassell and Agbonlahor who have done ok when they first broke in to the first team were smashing in goal after goal at youth and reserve level were they not? I record of 1 goal every 3 games down there is definitely nothing for a striker to shout about.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on January 05, 2016, 10:28:40 AM
Remi Garde reminds me of Vic Crowe in the way he conducts himself. Although the results are dreadful I think he may well be the manager we have been waiting for. That is,as long as the people who run the club back him to the hilt. Which of course they probably will not if its going to cost them money.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on January 05, 2016, 10:30:07 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2016, 10:21:55 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 08:41:54 AM
Quote from: nuninho on January 05, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Who realistically can he replace these players with?  Its easy saying play the youth players, but that will only end up in 6-0 gubbings every week.  Until he gets to bring in his own players he's got one hand tied behind his back - all he can do is pick what he has.

Andre Green for Westwood.  From what I've seen of him in reserve games. He's definitely ready for selection.
Jerell Sellars for Gestede - 4 goals in 11 games for the reserves this season. Surely he's worth a selection.
Janoi Donacien for Hutton - albeit he's on loan at Newport.

Three lads whereby they have less ability but might benefit from the opportunity of playing.



To be honest I have no idea if Sellars is ready or not, but 4 goals in 11 reserve games is not the sort of stat that screams he should be playing for the 1st team now. It's reasonable, but it's hardly remarkable given the level.

Completely agree.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2016, 10:21:55 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 08:41:54 AM
Quote from: nuninho on January 05, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Who realistically can he replace these players with?  Its easy saying play the youth players, but that will only end up in 6-0 gubbings every week.  Until he gets to bring in his own players he's got one hand tied behind his back - all he can do is pick what he has.

Andre Green for Westwood.  From what I've seen of him in reserve games. He's definitely ready for selection.
Jerell Sellars for Gestede - 4 goals in 11 games for the reserves this season. Surely he's worth a selection.
Janoi Donacien for Hutton - albeit he's on loan at Newport.

Three lads whereby they have less ability but might benefit from the opportunity of playing.



To be honest I have no idea if Sellars is ready or not, but 4 goals in 11 reserve games is not the sort of stat that screams he should be playing for the 1st team now. It's reasonable, but it's hardly remarkable given the level.

But it's a better record than Kozak's. And people are pining for him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on January 05, 2016, 12:24:47 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2016, 10:21:55 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 08:41:54 AM
Quote from: nuninho on January 05, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Who realistically can he replace these players with?  Its easy saying play the youth players, but that will only end up in 6-0 gubbings every week.  Until he gets to bring in his own players he's got one hand tied behind his back - all he can do is pick what he has.

Andre Green for Westwood.  From what I've seen of him in reserve games. He's definitely ready for selection.
Jerell Sellars for Gestede - 4 goals in 11 games for the reserves this season. Surely he's worth a selection.
Janoi Donacien for Hutton - albeit he's on loan at Newport.

Three lads whereby they have less ability but might benefit from the opportunity of playing.



To be honest I have no idea if Sellars is ready or not, but 4 goals in 11 reserve games is not the sort of stat that screams he should be playing for the 1st team now. It's reasonable, but it's hardly remarkable given the level.

But it's a better record than Kozak's. And people are pining for him.

Kozak has 4 goals in 5 games for the U-21s.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 12:28:05 PM
Quote from: hoyle87 on January 05, 2016, 12:24:47 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2016, 10:21:55 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 05, 2016, 08:41:54 AM
Quote from: nuninho on January 05, 2016, 08:29:31 AM
Who realistically can he replace these players with?  Its easy saying play the youth players, but that will only end up in 6-0 gubbings every week.  Until he gets to bring in his own players he's got one hand tied behind his back - all he can do is pick what he has.

Andre Green for Westwood.  From what I've seen of him in reserve games. He's definitely ready for selection.
Jerell Sellars for Gestede - 4 goals in 11 games for the reserves this season. Surely he's worth a selection.
Janoi Donacien for Hutton - albeit he's on loan at Newport.

Three lads whereby they have less ability but might benefit from the opportunity of playing.



To be honest I have no idea if Sellars is ready or not, but 4 goals in 11 reserve games is not the sort of stat that screams he should be playing for the 1st team now. It's reasonable, but it's hardly remarkable given the level.

But it's a better record than Kozak's. And people are pining for him.

Kozak has 4 goals in 5 games for the U-21s.

I stand corrected. Apologies. Missed his brace against Derby.

I'd still have Sellars in the squad against Wycombe.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dr Butler on January 05, 2016, 12:33:52 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 05, 2016, 10:28:40 AM
Remi Garde reminds me of Vic Crowe in the way he conducts himself. Although the results are dreadful I think he may well be the manager we have been waiting for. That is,as long as the people who run the club back him to the hilt. Which of course they probably will not if its going to cost them money.

spooky...I said this after the Arsenal match...

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 05, 2016, 04:44:36 PM
Vic Crowe was a very hard, very direct uncomplicated man of exemplary character. I hope Remi Garde proves to have the same qualities.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frank black on January 05, 2016, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 05, 2016, 10:28:40 AM
Remi Garde reminds me of Vic Crowe in the way he conducts himself. Although the results are dreadful I think he may well be the manager we have been waiting for. That is,as long as the people who run the club back him to the hilt. Which of course they probably will not if its going to cost them money.

More Inspector Clouseau at the moment, we can but hope.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 05, 2016, 05:06:49 PM
Ah the old Houllier insult coming out for Remi. Good times.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rico on January 05, 2016, 05:26:30 PM
Read this today. Never heard of this site before. Hopefully this isn't true, but it made me laugh anyway.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/remi-garde-not-going-to-waste-inspirational-speech-on-these-losers-20160105105025

Trolling of the highest order? Or a sure fire way of losing the dressing room and getting the sack.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu on January 05, 2016, 05:28:22 PM
It's the Daily Mash.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu on January 05, 2016, 05:30:34 PM
I don't even...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rico on January 05, 2016, 05:37:12 PM
Like I say, never heard of it before,  but quite funny though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on January 05, 2016, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: Rico on January 05, 2016, 05:37:12 PM
Like I say, never heard of it before,  but quite funny though.
I can't laugh at my team now and I don't think I will ever look back on these times and say it was quite funny. I find myself avoiding premier league highlights, radio and newspapers in a desperate attempt to minimise the pain.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2016, 06:14:30 PM
There is no need to thrash our promising youngsters now in this team and totally destroy them as we continue to lose match after match. Leave them for next season when we are hopefully winning more and they can be introduced into the first team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on January 05, 2016, 06:28:00 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 05, 2016, 04:44:36 PM
Vic Crowd was a very hard, very direct uncomplicated man of exemplary character. I hope Remi Garde proves to have the same qualities.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2016, 06:33:38 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 05, 2016, 05:28:22 PM
It's the Daily Mash.

Doesn't former H&V funny poster Smiffy write for it (or something similar)? In fact, I wonder if Mazrim, Fletcher and the other big guns we've lost this decade is the real reason we're crap.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 05, 2016, 06:35:06 PM
NewsThump
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 05, 2016, 06:39:04 PM
Smiffy does News Thump. They write in the same style.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Yossarian on January 05, 2016, 06:57:36 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on January 05, 2016, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: Rico on January 05, 2016, 05:37:12 PM
Like I say, never heard of it before,  but quite funny though.
I can't laugh at my team now and I don't think I will ever look back on these times and say it was quite funny. I find myself avoiding premier league highlights, radio and newspapers in a desperate attempt to minimise the pain.

All I can do is laugh at us now. Gallows humour and all that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 05, 2016, 07:17:16 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on January 05, 2016, 06:57:36 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on January 05, 2016, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: Rico on January 05, 2016, 05:37:12 PM
Like I say, never heard of it before,  but quite funny though.
I can't laugh at my team now and I don't think I will ever look back on these times and say it was quite funny. I find myself avoiding premier league highlights, radio and newspapers in a desperate attempt to minimise the pain.

All I can do is laugh at us now. Gallows humour and all that.

I do think we're that bad that it's almost comical. Not sure I'll agree if Wycombe turn us over on TV come Saturday lunchtime mind.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2016, 09:07:46 PM
 Guardiola has said that he is considering several offers from Premier League  clubs and that's where he wants to manage next so I have no doubt  our clever Fox has beenpissing in his ear and it's just a matter of time.....................................oh ok he said Premier League :-[
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: in exile on January 06, 2016, 03:11:52 PM
For what it's worth, I think it's a load of bollocks.
But then again, I remember when humour was funny
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 06, 2016, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: olaftab on January 05, 2016, 06:14:30 PM
There is no need to thrash our promising youngsters now in this team and totally destroy them as we continue to lose match after match. Leave them for next season when we are hopefully winning more and they can be introduced into the first team.

Agree.  Besides loan moves should be used to test players in the first instance.  Proper football but without the eyes and weight of expectation from the fans.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 07, 2016, 02:52:24 PM
Granted this was in one of the papers but I had to laugh that Remi Garde apologized for talking about Loic Remy in the press, and in the same article gets quoted as confirming that he is looking at Debuchy.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 07, 2016, 02:57:10 PM
I thought that.  Brilliant lack of awareness.  But then at least he had spoken to Winger and knows him well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 07, 2016, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 07, 2016, 02:57:10 PM
I thought that.  Brilliant lack of awareness.  But then at least he had spoken to Winger and knows him well.
There is that.
But I still eagerly await the day we finally just throw caution to the wind and hire Alan Partridge as our manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TaxDodger on January 07, 2016, 03:22:58 PM
Quote from: supertom on January 07, 2016, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 07, 2016, 02:57:10 PM
I thought that.  Brilliant lack of awareness.  But then at least he had spoken to Winger and knows him well.
There is that.
But I still eagerly await the day we finally just throw caution to the wind and hire Alan Partridge as our manager.

Jet from Gladiators to host a Millennium Barn Dance at Yeovil Aerodrome. Properly policed. It must not, I repeat not, turn into an all-night rave.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on January 07, 2016, 03:31:32 PM
Quote from: TaxDodger on January 07, 2016, 03:22:58 PM
Quote from: supertom on January 07, 2016, 02:59:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 07, 2016, 02:57:10 PM
I thought that.  Brilliant lack of awareness.  But then at least he had spoken to Winger and knows him well.
There is that.
But I still eagerly await the day we finally just throw caution to the wind and hire Alan Partridge as our manager.

Jet from Gladiators to host a Millennium Barn Dance at Yeovil Aerodrome. Properly policed. It must not, I repeat not, turn into an all-night rave.

Sack Lynn for being unloyal, disloyal and for joining in fun in a way that excludes her employer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on January 07, 2016, 05:10:09 PM
im starting to worry already for remi,poor fella already looks tired and thin
I hope hes ok, he doesn't deserve for his health to suffer
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 07, 2016, 05:40:21 PM
I'm sure he'll be fine, and in the overall scheme of things, there are  many more worthy causes to worry over .
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on January 09, 2016, 02:03:36 PM
Adams Park confirmed that Remy  Garde is a fantastic coach, a great manager and an excellent motivator. We are lucky to have signed him. Many thanks to Arsene Wenger for leaving him to us instead of bringing him at Arsenal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 09, 2016, 02:13:11 PM
He's doing terrible.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2016, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 09, 2016, 02:13:11 PM
He's doing terrible.

Piss poor.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on January 09, 2016, 02:45:46 PM
The whole thing is taking its toll on him.

Gil looked the only decent threat we had, whilst some of the others were an absolute joke.

We went cheap, as per usual, for an out of work TV pundit, rather than someone who knew and worked in the PL.

I like the guy, but this just ain't gonna work.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on January 09, 2016, 02:46:58 PM
if you look on this site the amount of posters that said Garde was the best man for the job, kind of wrong weren't they.

cant even set a team up to beat a DIVISION 2 team.

very poor
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on January 09, 2016, 02:51:17 PM
I don't have much faith in Garde at Villa, I'm afraid. It seems like whatever he tries won't work. We look as likely to win as we did under Sherwood, no matter how much it's technically better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 09, 2016, 02:51:29 PM
Extremely poor. The defence is so unorganised it must take organisation of some sort to get them to play consistently so unorganised, there's almost a pattern to our comical errors and mindless chasing and lack of marking.

The midfield. Gana has sucked for months and He's bought that useless ****** Westwood back in to the team, big black mark. As is persisting with Gestede and Richardson.

All in all he's fucking sucked big time so far, I don't care if these aren't his players, he's not changed a thing so as it stands we might as well have kept Sherwood picking teams from a hat and saw what happened and save some money. He doesn't look like right now he has a clue how to get any kind of upturn at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 09, 2016, 02:53:23 PM
Kozak could be the worse trainer of all time, but how he is behind Gestede is an absolute mystery.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 09, 2016, 02:55:47 PM
I said last week that I reckon he'll resign in the autumn when he realises exactly what the Championship entails.  I'm not yet changing my prediction.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 09, 2016, 02:59:14 PM
I'll say this now, at the risk of sounding like a shite pundit, buying another load of French players from midtable clubs will not cut it in the Championship. If that's the plan, I suggest they buy a huge skip and the money in it instead and set it on fire.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2016, 03:03:06 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 09, 2016, 02:46:58 PM
if you look on this site the amount of posters that said Garde was the best man for the job, kind of wrong weren't they.

cant even set a team up to beat a DIVISION 2 team.

very poor

He's made errors and he's persisted with some players like Gestede who have no value. It doesn't help his cause. Maybe those who welcomed him, myself included in that very much underestimated the task at hand. Ultimately there are do many things that are wrong that the end of the season cannot come soon enough, and we will start again wherever that might be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 09, 2016, 03:06:42 PM
The very least I expected when he took over was him, after apparently watching all our games so far on DVD to immediately identify the players who just cant cut it. The obvious ones, it's not difficult, the bloke who barely moves, the midfielder who can't kick a ball, the smirking bloke who no one knows what he does. But he just hasn't. He doesn't display anything suggesting he's learnt anything so far.

You telling me an under 21 isn't as good as Richardson? If he isn't he shouldn't be at the club. Lyden or Gardner isn't as good as the bloke who continually displays an inability to kick a football? Bollocks.

He's just done an utterly rubbish job so far.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on January 09, 2016, 03:08:18 PM
I was optimistic about the Garde appointment - all for it, in fact. But I think any manager, even if we'd have kept with Tactics, would have managed a win with the same players by now. I don't know what it is: bad luck, terrible squad, language barrier, splits in the dressing room...it won't happen for him. Give me the chance right at this moment and I'd have Moyes in without a second's hesitation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on January 09, 2016, 03:13:22 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on January 09, 2016, 03:08:18 PM
I was optimistic about the Garde appointment - all for it, in fact. But I think any manager, even if we'd have kept with Tactics, would have managed a win with the same players by now. I don't know what it is: bad luck, terrible squad, language barrier, splits in the dressing room...it won't happen for him. Give me the chance right at this moment and I'd have Moyes in without a second's hesitation.

Fair play to you Curious, but the powers that be aint going to break faith with Garde until were sucking in the championship.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2016, 03:15:11 PM
What quite clearly helped him at Lyon is not just the quality of the players he inherited, but the academy as well as he brought those players through. He just doesn't have the quality to work with coupled with the environment he's walked into. At least Sir Graham came in before the start of a new season and not in the middle of previous season where it would have been even worse than the "shambles" he described it as.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on January 09, 2016, 03:17:58 PM
No point sacking him now. Bin him in the summer with 90% of the squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on January 09, 2016, 03:21:11 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 09, 2016, 03:17:58 PM
No point sacking him now. Bin him in the summer with 90% of the squad.

He's hopeless. He can't motivate players at all. His selections continually baffle everyone. Get rid now and Moyes or Pearson.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2016, 03:22:46 PM
I don't know that they would Ads but if they did and he was still free I wonder if Moyes could be our next Sir Graham? We need someone with his knowledge and tenacity. I'm beginning to fear that this is bringing Garde to his knees, though I imagine not having his own staff/players is a big factor.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 09, 2016, 03:23:31 PM
The circus could be finally complete with a sacking 2 managers in 1 season situation, things are that bad at the moment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AGRIPPA on January 09, 2016, 03:27:35 PM
I heard ( all be it from a bluenose) that he had a breakdown to do with his wife.... If so his mind may not be on the job??
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 09, 2016, 03:28:15 PM
Quote from: AGRIPPA on January 09, 2016, 03:27:35 PM
I heard ( all be it from a bluenose) that he had a breakdown to do with his wife.... If so his mind may not be on the job??

Jackanory nose tales. File under Maradonna signing for them and 50,000 fans.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2016, 03:28:25 PM
I'm not for one minute blaming Garde for our demise but he's had zero impact as Villa manager and I have my doubts he'll turn it around in the Championship either.
We're crying out for new players and we need to get a move on. It's January 9th and we need players in now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on January 09, 2016, 03:31:08 PM
It's hard to say what will happen. He's been with us a short time and inherited a poor squad. That said, he still hasn't won a game with us... Not one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on January 09, 2016, 03:31:45 PM
Quote from: TopDeck113 on January 09, 2016, 02:55:47 PM
I said last week that I reckon he'll resign in the autumn when he realises exactly what the Championship entails.  I'm not yet changing my prediction.

If I had 2 and half years left on my contract as manager of Aston Villa, there's no way on earth I would resign, no matter how bad things got.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on January 09, 2016, 03:32:33 PM
I am starting to think that only type of manager who manage at this club, is someone who has years of premier league experience.
Pulis, Hughes, Allerdyce, Moyes, Pardew.

We are no club for an up and coming promising youngster.
We are no club for a retired player who wants to cut his teeth in football management.
We are no club for pretty much any foreign manager, especially not one who has not been here for years.

Unfortunately, all the managers who DO fit the criteria are precisely the ones we turn our noses up at, because we are so conceited, that we think they aren't good enough for us, or aren't  'sexy' enough for us or don't 'fit' Aston Villa.



Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on January 09, 2016, 03:33:41 PM
Seems a nice bloke, but woefully out of his depth.

Top 6 finishes in Ligue 1 is one thing.  There are only 2/3 teams there that have anything like the finances to compete. Lyon are one of them (even if they have been cutting back in recent years) so top 5/6 there would probably be unacceptable under normal circumstances.

But he spent the bulk of his playing career there and was well thought of by the fans, so he probably got a bit more leeway than most other candidates would get.

It would have been the equivalent of Sid getting the fulltime gig after MON's departure  and delivering midtable finishes. It might have been seen as below par, but the pitchforks wouldn't have been out.

The Premier League is a tough, tough league as he is now finding. But he didn't even have any answers against fourth division opposition today.

Ainsworth was asked what he did at half time to change things and he could pinpoint three areas that needed attention and responded accordingly.

Garde said he asked them to do the same thing at half time that he did before the game.

Shades of Sherwood, for me.  We can start games reasonably well (sometimes).  But if the opposition switch it up, we do nothing.

I'd pot him now, personally.  For his own good, as well as ours. Relegation will be a stain on his CV.

The rebuild for the championship needs to start now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2016, 03:37:10 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 09, 2016, 03:32:33 PM
I am starting to think that only type of manager who manage at this club, is someone who has years of premier league experience.
Pulis, Hughes, Allerdyce, Moyes, Pardew.

We are no club for an up and coming promising youngster.
We are no club for a retired player who wants to cut his teeth in football management.
We are no club for pretty much any foreign manager, especially not one who has not been here for years.

Unfortunately, all the managers who DO fit the criteria are precisely the ones we turn our noses up at, because we are so conceited, that we think they aren't good enough for us, or aren't  'sexy' enough for us or don't 'fit' Aston Villa.





I don't for one minute think the club those names are beneath us, it's more like those managers not touching us with a barge pole with our ongoing austerity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Been told some things this afternoon. A current player is staying with a friend as his house is being refurbished.
Garde doesn't have the dressing room. He allegedly only speaks in depth to the French and foreign guys. He show no motivational stance or approach at all. Post match regardless of how we have played, he just leaves. Doesn't year a strip off anyone or give positives. Tony parks was the main 'motivator' in the dressing room and he has been told to wind his neck in by the current staff
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: johnc on January 09, 2016, 03:41:44 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2016, 03:37:10 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 09, 2016, 03:32:33 PM
I am starting to think that only type of manager who manage at this club, is someone who has years of premier league experience.
Pulis, Hughes, Allerdyce, Moyes, Pardew.

We are no club for an up and coming promising youngster.
We are no club for a retired player who wants to cut his teeth in football management.
We are no club for pretty much any foreign manager, especially not one who has not been here for years.

Unfortunately, all the managers who DO fit the criteria are precisely the ones we turn our noses up at, because we are so conceited, that we think they aren't good enough for us, or aren't  'sexy' enough for us or don't 'fit' Aston Villa.





I don't for one minute think the club those names are beneath us, it's more like those managers not touching us with a barge pole with our ongoing austerity.
I reckon the club did go for them but were turned down. However I have seen them all roundly slagged on here. I would give my eye teeth for Pulis or Allardyce to be here at the moment. At least I would feel he was getting the best out of what was in front of him. If Garde is gettinng the best out of this crowd then things are somehow worse than I imagined
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on January 09, 2016, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2016, 03:37:10 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 09, 2016, 03:32:33 PM
I am starting to think that only type of manager who manage at this club, is someone who has years of premier league experience.
Pulis, Hughes, Allerdyce, Moyes, Pardew.

We are no club for an up and coming promising youngster.
We are no club for a retired player who wants to cut his teeth in football management.
We are no club for pretty much any foreign manager, especially not one who has not been here for years.

Unfortunately, all the managers who DO fit the criteria are precisely the ones we turn our noses up at, because we are so conceited, that we think they aren't good enough for us, or aren't  'sexy' enough for us or don't 'fit' Aston Villa.





I don't for one minute think the club those names are beneath us, it's more like those managers not touching us with a barge pole with our ongoing austerity.
I meant us as fans, turning our nose up at them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 09, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Been told some things this afternoon. A current player is staying with a friend as his house is being refurbished.
Garde doesn't have the dressing room. He allegedly only speaks in depth to the French and foreign guys. He show no motivational stance or approach at all. Post match regardless of how we have played, he just leaves. Doesn't year a strip off anyone or give positives. Tony parks was the main 'motivator' in the dressing room and he has been told to wind his neck in by the current staff


Without wishing for you to betray a confidence, is this source one of the 'old guard' i.e. not signed this summer?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2016, 03:45:13 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 09, 2016, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2016, 03:37:10 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 09, 2016, 03:32:33 PM
I am starting to think that only type of manager who manage at this club, is someone who has years of premier league experience.
Pulis, Hughes, Allerdyce, Moyes, Pardew.

We are no club for an up and coming promising youngster.
We are no club for a retired player who wants to cut his teeth in football management.
We are no club for pretty much any foreign manager, especially not one who has not been here for years.

Unfortunately, all the managers who DO fit the criteria are precisely the ones we turn our noses up at, because we are so conceited, that we think they aren't good enough for us, or aren't  'sexy' enough for us or don't 'fit' Aston Villa.





I don't for one minute think the club those names are beneath us, it's more like those managers not touching us with a barge pole with our ongoing austerity.
I meant us as fans, turning our nose up at them.


Fair enough. Moyes was my number one choice for the job anyway, but we're that desperate I would have taken any of the other names you mentioned as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 09, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Been told some things this afternoon. A current player is staying with a friend as his house is being refurbished.
Garde doesn't have the dressing room. He allegedly only speaks in depth to the French and foreign guys. He show no motivational stance or approach at all. Post match regardless of how we have played, he just leaves. Doesn't year a strip off anyone or give positives. Tony parks was the main 'motivator' in the dressing room and he has been told to wind his neck in by the current staff


Without wishing for you to betray a confidence, is this source one of the 'old guard' i.e. not signed this summer?

Surprisingly no!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on January 09, 2016, 03:50:26 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Been told some things this afternoon. A current player is staying with a friend as his house is being refurbished.
Garde doesn't have the dressing room. He allegedly only speaks in depth to the French and foreign guys. He show no motivational stance or approach at all. Post match regardless of how we have played, he just leaves. Doesn't year a strip off anyone or give positives. Tony parks was the main 'motivator' in the dressing room and he has been told to wind his neck in by the current staff


Interesting as he made a point of saying he'd be speaking in English and the French players were just part of the squad like everyone else.

That story of him walking in to the dressing room at Goodison at half time and saying "Boys, boys, boys" and then walking out might be accurate them?!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villadelph on January 09, 2016, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Been told some things this afternoon. A current player is staying with a friend as his house is being refurbished.
Garde doesn't have the dressing room. He allegedly only speaks in depth to the French and foreign guys. He show no motivational stance or approach at all. Post match regardless of how we have played, he just leaves. Doesn't year a strip off anyone or give positives. Tony parks was the main 'motivator' in the dressing room and he has been told to wind his neck in by the current staff

And this is concrete?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 09, 2016, 03:51:59 PM

Why would a millionaire footballer stay at someone's house rather than in a hotel ?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on January 09, 2016, 03:52:20 PM
Quote from: villadelph on January 09, 2016, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Been told some things this afternoon. A current player is staying with a friend as his house is being refurbished.
Garde doesn't have the dressing room. He allegedly only speaks in depth to the French and foreign guys. He show no motivational stance or approach at all. Post match regardless of how we have played, he just leaves. Doesn't year a strip off anyone or give positives. Tony parks was the main 'motivator' in the dressing room and he has been told to wind his neck in by the current staff

And this is concrete?
What? Vlaar knows what's going on at the club?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 09, 2016, 03:51:59 PM

Why would a millionaire footballer stay at someone's house rather than in a hotel ?


Relative of his
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:55:12 PM
Quote from: villadelph on January 09, 2016, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Been told some things this afternoon. A current player is staying with a friend as his house is being refurbished.
Garde doesn't have the dressing room. He allegedly only speaks in depth to the French and foreign guys. He show no motivational stance or approach at all. Post match regardless of how we have played, he just leaves. Doesn't year a strip off anyone or give positives. Tony parks was the main 'motivator' in the dressing room and he has been told to wind his neck in by the current staff

And this is concrete?
It's come from the relative of the player. Villa fan too. I see no reason for any BS from him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 09, 2016, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 09, 2016, 03:51:59 PM

Why would a millionaire footballer stay at someone's house rather than in a hotel ?


Relative of his

Still seems a bit odd. Not saying it's not true though

I doubt many of our current crop would listen to Garde anyway. They probably barely speak to each other

If you need someone to shout at you in order to get motivated to do your job you're probably not what we need
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 09, 2016, 03:56:38 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 09, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Been told some things this afternoon. A current player is staying with a friend as his house is being refurbished.
Garde doesn't have the dressing room. He allegedly only speaks in depth to the French and foreign guys. He show no motivational stance or approach at all. Post match regardless of how we have played, he just leaves. Doesn't year a strip off anyone or give positives. Tony parks was the main 'motivator' in the dressing room and he has been told to wind his neck in by the current staff


Without wishing for you to betray a confidence, is this source one of the 'old guard' i.e. not signed this summer?

Surprisingly no!

Interesting. I think it's probably true that there's a split in the dressing room between the 'Sherwood players' and the foreign signings from this summer. I suppose it could be one of the signings generally thought to be a 'Sherwood signing' - Richards, Lescott etc.

I would say though - if Tony Parks was the 'main motivator' before, he was doing a pretty shit job of it as we didn't win at all then either.

All in all with the exception of Ayew, Veretout, Amavi and Okore, I really would like us to have a complete clearout of this squad. The spirit (or lack of) is toxic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 09, 2016, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 09, 2016, 03:56:38 PM
All in all with the exception of Ayew, Veretout, Amavi and Okore, I really would like us to have a complete clearout of this squad. The spirit (or lack of) is toxic.

I wouldn't argue with that
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 09, 2016, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 09, 2016, 03:51:59 PM

Why would a millionaire footballer stay at someone's house rather than in a hotel ?


Relative of his

Still seems a bit odd. Not saying it's not true though

I doubt many of our current crop would listen to Garde anyway. They probably barely speak to each other

If you need someone to shout at you in order to get motivated to do your job you're probably not what we need

Just posting what I was told. Not spoken to the player directly so not going to say 100% said X,y, z.
Wouldn't surprise me though either way tbh. I mean RG doesn't come across as a 'motivator' , more science teacher
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on January 09, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 09, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Been told some things this afternoon. A current player is staying with a friend as his house is being refurbished.
Garde doesn't have the dressing room. He allegedly only speaks in depth to the French and foreign guys. He show no motivational stance or approach at all. Post match regardless of how we have played, he just leaves. Doesn't year a strip off anyone or give positives. Tony parks was the main 'motivator' in the dressing room and he has been told to wind his neck in by the current staff


Without wishing for you to betray a confidence, is this source one of the 'old guard' i.e. not signed this summer?

Surprisingly no!

So Rudy, Micah or Jolean.

I'm  thinking Jolean - Rudy doesn't give a crap and the other has villa connections.

I'm a little disappointed the manager is getting so much abuse. The players have been awful. We do look much better in patches - just awful errors.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villadelph on January 09, 2016, 04:04:21 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on January 09, 2016, 03:58:08 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 09, 2016, 03:56:38 PM
All in all with the exception of Ayew, Veretout, Amavi and Okore, I really would like us to have a complete clearout of this squad. The spirit (or lack of) is toxic.

I wouldn't argue with that

I don't think anybody would be happy filling the squad with the type of players it takes to win promotion from the Championship. A bunch of cheap muckers and grinders, only to completely rebuild again in order to compete in the Prem.

Vicious circle.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 09, 2016, 04:05:35 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on January 09, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 09, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Been told some things this afternoon. A current player is staying with a friend as his house is being refurbished.
Garde doesn't have the dressing room. He allegedly only speaks in depth to the French and foreign guys. He show no motivational stance or approach at all. Post match regardless of how we have played, he just leaves. Doesn't year a strip off anyone or give positives. Tony parks was the main 'motivator' in the dressing room and he has been told to wind his neck in by the current staff


Without wishing for you to betray a confidence, is this source one of the 'old guard' i.e. not signed this summer?

Surprisingly no!

So Rudy, Micah or Jolean.

I'm  thinking Jolean - Rudy doesn't give a crap and the other has villa connections.

I'm a little disappointed the manager is getting so much abuse. The players have been awful. We do look much better in patches - just awful errors.

no win in ten

that would get him the bullet at most clubs
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on January 09, 2016, 04:09:35 PM
Forget Garde - he's toast.

He'll be following Fox out the door in the summer. Two convenient scapegoats.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on January 09, 2016, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on January 09, 2016, 04:05:35 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on January 09, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 09, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Been told some things this afternoon. A current player is staying with a friend as his house is being refurbished.
Garde doesn't have the dressing room. He allegedly only speaks in depth to the French and foreign guys. He show no motivational stance or approach at all. Post match regardless of how we have played, he just leaves. Doesn't year a strip off anyone or give positives. Tony parks was the main 'motivator' in the dressing room and he has been told to wind his neck in by the current staff


Without wishing for you to betray a confidence, is this source one of the 'old guard' i.e. not signed this summer?

Surprisingly no!

So Rudy, Micah or Jolean.

I'm  thinking Jolean - Rudy doesn't give a crap and the other has villa connections.

I'm a little disappointed the manager is getting so much abuse. The players have been awful. We do look much better in patches - just awful errors.

no win in ten

that would get him the bullet at most clubs

Agreed but its much more than the manager in this situation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villadelph on January 09, 2016, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on January 09, 2016, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on January 09, 2016, 04:05:35 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on January 09, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 09, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Been told some things this afternoon. A current player is staying with a friend as his house is being refurbished.
Garde doesn't have the dressing room. He allegedly only speaks in depth to the French and foreign guys. He show no motivational stance or approach at all. Post match regardless of how we have played, he just leaves. Doesn't year a strip off anyone or give positives. Tony parks was the main 'motivator' in the dressing room and he has been told to wind his neck in by the current staff


Without wishing for you to betray a confidence, is this source one of the 'old guard' i.e. not signed this summer?

Surprisingly no!

So Rudy, Micah or Jolean.

I'm  thinking Jolean - Rudy doesn't give a crap and the other has villa connections.

I'm a little disappointed the manager is getting so much abuse. The players have been awful. We do look much better in patches - just awful errors.

no win in ten

that would get him the bullet at most clubs

Agreed but its much more than the manager in this situation.

While I agree for the most part, he has brought nothing to the table. We haven't improved at all, and show no signs of building anything.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 09, 2016, 04:23:36 PM
There is a scene in the Pinnochio film in which the puppet-who-would-be-boy joins a mob throwing bricks through church windows.  That is how being a Villa fan makes me feel at the moment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 09, 2016, 04:25:46 PM
Garde has been a disaster and deserved the abuse he got today, but the club's problems run much deeper than any manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 04:35:59 PM
Sherwood got the boy foot essentially the same set of results. He looked bemused today. I think he thinks the squad if complete rubbish and is resigned to having to completely rebuild it. Whether he gets chance remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on January 09, 2016, 04:42:19 PM
Slightly concerning Garde's management style , clearly the team need direction...

But would be just our luck we get another boss who doesn't know WTF he is doing...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on January 09, 2016, 04:44:49 PM
He looks like a man that may well walk of his own accord to me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 09, 2016, 04:48:51 PM
You know what I'm fed up to the back teeth with bollocks about dressing rooms being lost. Play for yourselves you useless overpaid bunch of wankers. For your kids, for your self respect, your next contract. Why do these grown men need to be 'inspired' by someone to do a half decent job of the only thing on earth they are any good at? Another manager will make no difference to anything. We'll have the same thick as shit, limp wristed excuse-making squad of no hopers. Fuck the lot of them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 09, 2016, 04:53:39 PM
Quote
A message to Aston Villa:
"We know that some of you look at these threads so pass the message on to those that don't. We the supporters don't care if you have a beef with the manager or you don't like the training methods or you wish to be somewhere else. You are living our dream, to be paid huge incomes to play football for the team we love. Villa is our passion and when we see you lot just going through the motions seemingly without any desire to represent the shirt it really pisses us off. This is the same squad, less two, that took it to the top teams in the premiership last year so there is no excuse for the dismal displays we've been watching over the last few weeks. Next time you run onto the Villa Park pitch have a look around the ground. Every single Villa supporter wishes he or she was you, you are our players. The very least we expect is a total committment to the club and its supporters." (c) ROBBO on H&V December 2010 with a couple of minor tweaks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 09, 2016, 04:56:05 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on January 09, 2016, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on January 09, 2016, 04:05:35 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on January 09, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:47:29 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 09, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on January 09, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
Been told some things this afternoon. A current player is staying with a friend as his house is being refurbished.
Garde doesn't have the dressing room. He allegedly only speaks in depth to the French and foreign guys. He show no motivational stance or approach at all. Post match regardless of how we have played, he just leaves. Doesn't year a strip off anyone or give positives. Tony parks was the main 'motivator' in the dressing room and he has been told to wind his neck in by the current staff


Without wishing for you to betray a confidence, is this source one of the 'old guard' i.e. not signed this summer?

Surprisingly no!

So Rudy, Micah or Jolean.

I'm  thinking Jolean - Rudy doesn't give a crap and the other has villa connections.

I'm a little disappointed the manager is getting so much abuse. The players have been awful. We do look much better in patches - just awful errors.

no win in ten

that would get him the bullet at most clubs

Agreed but its much more than the manager in this situation.

totally agree

its just like groundhog day every week

do ok for a bit then drop a howler, the persistance with that fucking donkey justhead, the shit substitutions, the lack of fight

i dont blame him for the mess we are in but bloody hell he aint doing himself any favours
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2016, 04:58:41 PM
I wonder if he regrets taking the job? He's walked into an awful mess.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 09, 2016, 04:59:32 PM
Quote from: passport1 on January 09, 2016, 04:44:49 PM
He looks like a man that may well walk of his own accord to me.

We can hope.  Another chancer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2016, 04:59:51 PM
The decision making from the players is terrible, trying to dribble , not passing, standing still etc just wank. Grade admitted in his post match interview that he doesn't know how to sort it. What a complete mess this club is in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on January 09, 2016, 05:00:31 PM
Does Remi have kids? If he's managing, coaching and involved in transfers as well, he's stretching himself.
 If not Steve Round, he should have got an assistant in instead of waiting for Lyon to release the guy he wants who probably won't fancy it anyway once we're relegated.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 09, 2016, 05:01:04 PM
Will he be our Felix Magath?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on January 09, 2016, 05:03:23 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 09, 2016, 04:59:32 PM
Quote from: passport1 on January 09, 2016, 04:44:49 PM
He looks like a man that may well walk of his own accord to me.

We can hope.  Another chancer.
Spot on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on January 09, 2016, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2016, 04:58:41 PM
I wonder if he regrets taking the job? He's walked into an awful mess.
I regret him taking the job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: class-of-82 on January 09, 2016, 05:05:15 PM
His face so angry when he just slumped back into the dug out after a simple ball could not be played summed him up
I so wish we do the opposite to Chelsea and keep him and transfer the lot en masse except for veretout ayew amavi
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on January 09, 2016, 05:07:06 PM
Keep him till the end of the season at least and let's see if he can pull this club out of the nosedive that started way way before he got the chance to sort it out, I think he at least deserves to try to rid the place of some of the players who are either not good enough or not comitted enough or both.
Judge him when he's done that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 09, 2016, 05:09:18 PM
He's poor. Simple as that. He came in with ideas and hasn't come remotely close to even beginning to impliment them.

One thing that blights our club and has done since Lambert, is the fact we're shockingly poor when it comes to individual errors. We gift goals. We gifted a penalty today. Again, some may argue it was harsh decision but the fact is Westwood, regardless of whether it's stone wall or not, puts himself in a position where he makes a challenge that runs the risk of giving away a penalty. Again, Westwood is one of those players who is just piss fucking poor at everything and makes sloppy errors.

Can you blame a manager on players making individual errors?
Yes you can. When the errors are as consistent as they are at Villa. Error upon error, fuck up upon fuck up. Why? Because the players for starters appear to have no idea how they are supposed to be playing. No one seems confident in what they are supposed to be doing. So on top of players looking confused on the pitch, they end up having brain farts and gifting goals.
That's Garde's fault and his problem, just as it was Sherwoods before him, and Lambert before that.

Is Garde an inspiring figure? Does he have the dressing room? No on both counts. Quite evidently the dressing room is split. There's no team spirit. No cohesion. No unity. The work-rate from the vast majority of players isn't good enough.

Does he make good decisions? No. His lineups, and subs are awful, even respecting the fact he inherited a poor squad. Tactically we're crap.

Fire his fucking arse. Pathetic. We've seen more than enough to realise he's never, ever going to get us moving in the right direction. Can you see Remi inspiring us for a long hard slog in the Championship? I can't.

We need another clean sweep in the summer and we need a manager who knows how to get out of the championship.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on January 09, 2016, 05:11:12 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 09, 2016, 05:01:04 PM
Will he be our Felix Magath?

Or that bloke at Spurs holding up the Underground ticket at the press conference. The bald guy, can't remember his name!!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 09, 2016, 05:11:57 PM
Without taking sides or building anybody up or putting anybody down, what is being written in big sections of this forum at the moment is nothing less than verbal vandalism.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 05:14:23 PM
I think he is potentially a very good manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on January 09, 2016, 05:14:58 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 09, 2016, 05:11:57 PM
Without taking sides or building anybody up or putting anybody down, what is being written in big sections of this forum at the moment is nothing less than verbal vandalism.
Agreed Brian.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on January 09, 2016, 05:16:08 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 05:14:23 PM
I think he is potentially a very good manager.

Agree. I'm hoping he sticks around because it would mean most of the players wouldn't. He has them sussed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2016, 05:18:37 PM
We can't keep changing managers. He has to be given a chance to do things his way with his staff and with his players. Clearly a good fe at the club need to go but there are players there that will be an asset to the club. There is too many factions and the divide within the squad is evident. Something has to give and I would rather on this occasion we stuck with the manager and got rid of some of the players that are the cause of this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 09, 2016, 05:22:29 PM
playing westwood  and Gestede . Im losing hope about him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: class-of-82 on January 09, 2016, 05:25:00 PM
As I just posted on another thread
Do the opposite to Chelsea and get rid of the lot en masse who are not performing keep remi and veretout ayew and amavi
I feel so sorry for him
Wonder what his job desription said
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 09, 2016, 05:26:52 PM
O Neill says we should give Remi more time. So it's decided then...we fire him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on January 09, 2016, 05:29:08 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 05:14:23 PM
I think he is potentially a very good manager.

Did a really good job at Lyon but has started to be a bit dismissive of the players efforts I think.

Needs a couple of his own players in pronto as its clear some players dont believe in him

only players to have improved under him are Ayew and Veretout

ultimately management is about getting the best out of the resources at your disposal

Garde is failing badly at that currently but would really like for it to turn around for him
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 09, 2016, 05:30:01 PM
He's currently polishing turds, playing our least shit players, who probably understand 10% of their instructions. I think the best think we can do is trust a manager who isn't tactically from the Stone Age to gut and rebuild the squad. I've seen enough of garde to think he's as good as anyone else were going to get to do that job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on January 09, 2016, 05:31:35 PM
What really pisses me off - and this is not directed at Garde specifically, more the whole club - is this continuing search for the lowest point we can reach. It seems for at least three years we've failed to use any of these humiliations and howls of protest into a catalyst for positive change. Take the Richards thing today: in my head, Richards marches into the dressing room and tears the wallpaper off with his disappointment at his team mates; in reality, there were probably murmurs of conversation breaking a strained silence.

There's not usually a lot to be gained by shouting, but by God, if ever a side needed the hairdryer, it was this Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on January 09, 2016, 05:36:41 PM
It would almost be worth hiring Nigel Pearson for that reason alone.

Nigel sodding Pearson. 

Christ, you know things are bad when he seems like a decent option.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on January 09, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
Remi is quoted as saying "This is what we deserve" when asked about our fans reaction.

This is accompanied by a picture of a couple of fans shouting at him as he walks past.

Another time, another place, he'd have been a really good manager for us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on January 09, 2016, 05:49:25 PM
He may be a talented progressive manager unfortunately for us he is the wrong man at the wrong time. The most frustrating thing about his appointment was that what has befallen him could have been forseen. Indeed many of us pointed out back then that irrespective of his ability it was too steep a learning curvve for him to have any chance of rescuing us.

Now all we can wonder is will he be able to get us out of the Championship ? Assuming he doesn't walk which given his body language today, in my opinion, looks likely.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on January 09, 2016, 05:52:21 PM
Quote from: passport1 on January 09, 2016, 05:49:25 PM
He may be a talented progressive manager unfortunately for us he is the wrong man at the wrong time. The most frustrating thing about his appointment was that what has befallen him could have been forseen. Indeed many of us pointed out back then that irrespective of his ability it was too steep a learning curvve for him to have any chance of rescuing us.

Now all we can wonder is will he be able to get us out of the Championship ? Assuming he doesn't walk which given his body language today, in my opinion, looks likely.
There re possible 5 players I'd keep for the Championship.  The rest are either garbage or just couldn't give a fucking.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on January 09, 2016, 05:55:05 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2016, 04:58:41 PM
I wonder if he regrets taking the job? He's walked into an awful mess.

I feel a bit for him. He's had zero impact, but does appear to have interesting ideas and seems progressive. The issue is that the squad is pitiful.  The likes of Guzan, Clark, Richardson, Hutton, Lescott, Westwood, Sinclair, Gestede, Gabby, NZogbia are absolutely abysmal players, some of whom have been stinking out B6 for years.

I wanted Moyes, but I think I massively underestimated the decay. We need the equivalent of quadruple bypass surgery, which just isn't possible half way through a season when you have no confidence.

Our striking options are pathetic, so is our keeper and defence. It's a recipe for disaster and it's been coming along time. I am not sure what much more he could do, but it would have been nice to have seen a result or two.

I think there is clearly a massive divide in the dressing room too. It's a huge stinking mess but he we've been on this slow boat for half a decade.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: in exile on January 09, 2016, 05:56:28 PM
...and the solution is...?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 09, 2016, 06:03:06 PM
Seems like a decent chap. But its the 9th, no new players.

He has clearly not demanded the signings and backing that any manager needs to (laugh) try and stay up or prepare to build his team for the Championship.

That tells me he is just a short term appointment to take us down, after that god knows what the boards manager plan is but it is clear they are now just minimizing any extra spend so we can operate long term in the Championship which is where they feel we should be.

Yes I am angry.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 09, 2016, 06:09:17 PM
This squad needs dismantling and soon.
Is Garde the man to do it, I have absoloutely no idea.
He has tried every permutation and has got nothing out of these players.
I don't blame him, I am just not sure if he has the ability and the backing to put it right.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 09, 2016, 06:11:50 PM
We are a basket case club living under a gypsy curse and may never win again. Who do people think is going to sign up for this shit storm who is a better bet than garde?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Damo70 on January 09, 2016, 06:14:18 PM
Quote from: in exile on January 09, 2016, 05:56:28 PM
...and the solution is...?

Neil Warnock, Barry Fry, John Beck or Joe Kinnear. Someone mad enough to take the job and entertaining enough to to distract us from the inevitable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on January 09, 2016, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 09, 2016, 04:23:36 PM
There is a scene in the Pinnochio film in which the puppet-who-would-be-boy joins a mob throwing bricks through church windows.  That is how being a Villa fan makes me feel at the moment.

and that bit where everyone starts turning into donkeys
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 06:37:22 PM
He looked like he had completely lost patience today, especially with the comment about they have instruction and did not carry them out, coupled with you can't keep blaming confidence at some point quality has to come through. He was spot on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bully2345 on January 09, 2016, 06:49:13 PM
I'm not going to turn on Garde. I think he was a good appointment and I think it took a couple of weeks for him to realise quite what he'd walked into.

He has to be backed to weed out the bad eggs in that squad. There are so many that it hurts and unfortunately, some of these charlatans have five year contracts.  I genuinely think he looks at that changing room and wonders who on earth handed contracts to Agbonlahor, Gestede, Bacuna, Lescott, Richards ..... I'm already bored of listing them.

The season has gone. We know where we'll be playing next season. I'll have another look at that squad on 1st February and hopefully Rémi will have managed to get rid of at least two or three of the charlatans and started to bring a couple in to begin to change the dynamic of the team. The reality is that this isn't a game of FIFA where you press a button and the player is gone. Anyone hoping for ten players out and ten players in will be sadly disappointed come February.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 09, 2016, 06:50:05 PM
There's so many issues it's unreal. A large majority of the players are out of their depth, there's very little leadership on the pitch, they look like they all believe each other are out of their depth which then leads to the amount of surrendering we've seen all season, we lack goalscorers, the defenders lack contentration, the list is endless. It's because of all this I still can't make my mind up on Garde because that's a horrendous shit storm that would have got the better of the majority of managers.

You'd have to hope some players like Sinclair and Gestede find their level and shine again in the Championship because I'm struggling to see Lerner and co sanctioning a mass clear out unless it's to replace the out going players with even worse players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2016, 06:52:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 06:37:22 PM
He looked like he had completely lost patience today, especially with the comment about they have instruction and did not carry them out, coupled with you can't keep blaming confidence at some point quality has to come through. He was spot on.

After today Bacuna, Gestede and Westwood just shouldn't ever be near the team again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2016, 06:52:25 PM
Oh and Richardson.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on January 09, 2016, 06:55:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2016, 06:52:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 06:37:22 PM
He looked like he had completely lost patience today, especially with the comment about they have instruction and did not carry them out, coupled with you can't keep blaming confidence at some point quality has to come through. He was spot on.

After today Bacuna, Gestede and Westwood just shouldn't ever be near the team again.

100% this for me too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 09, 2016, 07:48:09 PM
Quote from: CT on January 09, 2016, 06:55:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2016, 06:52:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 06:37:22 PM
He looked like he had completely lost patience today, especially with the comment about they have instruction and did not carry them out, coupled with you can't keep blaming confidence at some point quality has to come through. He was spot on.

After today Bacuna, Gestede and Westwood just shouldn't ever be near the team again.

100% this for me too.

and me

i would play with 8 men
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 09, 2016, 07:53:39 PM
On principle, I never judge managers definitively until they've had at least one summer transfer window to at least start shaping the squad in their own image.

Unless he exhibits signs of being an utter moron, I'd stick with him next season, because it's only then that we'll have some inkling of his true managerial ability.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on January 09, 2016, 07:55:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2016, 06:52:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 06:37:22 PM
He looked like he had completely lost patience today, especially with the comment about they have instruction and did not carry them out, coupled with you can't keep blaming confidence at some point quality has to come through. He was spot on.

After today Bacuna, Gestede and Westwood just shouldn't ever be near the team again.
I agree.
But how many time over the last couple of years has that been said about Westwood and Bacuna (and Richardson).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on January 09, 2016, 07:59:51 PM
Bacuna and Richardson are the type of players I would normally expect to turn up at St. Andrews.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on January 09, 2016, 08:08:42 PM
The line about them no following instructions is the worrying part, Sherwood came oit with something similar and I pit it down to him passing the buck but it turns out he must have had a point... That is unnaceptable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2016, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 05:14:23 PM
I think he is potentially a very good manager.

I've sen nothing whatsover from him so far to suggest that, even allowing for how poor our squad is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on January 09, 2016, 08:14:23 PM
While desperately wanting the bloke to succeed, the players are not responding to him at all and that's a major concern. He needs something - anything - in terms of a chink of light soon to buy him some time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2016, 08:15:03 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 09, 2016, 04:23:36 PM
There is a scene in the Pinnochio film in which the puppet-who-would-be-boy joins a mob throwing bricks through church windows.  That is how being a Villa fan makes me feel at the moment.

When in doubt, blame the fans.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on January 09, 2016, 08:15:20 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on January 09, 2016, 07:59:51 PM
Bacuna and Richardson are the type of players I would normally expect to turn up at St. Andrews.

Garde has to go....Useless team selections - how can he still play Gestede and not give Kozak a chance?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on January 09, 2016, 08:16:35 PM
Well i think the honeymoon period is now over.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 09, 2016, 08:17:12 PM
Whose the next mug?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT Villan on January 09, 2016, 08:26:30 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on January 09, 2016, 07:48:09 PM
i would play with 8 men

...which is about 6 more than we played with today.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 09, 2016, 08:32:12 PM
It's so bad now even people I know who have no interest whatsoever in the game pass comment on my team. Thats how low things are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 09, 2016, 08:37:44 PM
I'd like to see Garde given more time but i've got to admit, how Gestede stayed on the pitch is beyond me. He was absolutely awful. It was a bit worrying the manager was not willing to give the other striker sat on the bench a run.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on January 09, 2016, 08:40:41 PM
Can we change the thread to Garde out? Sorry, no wins at all even against Wycombe. Moyes or Pearson in!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 09, 2016, 08:50:58 PM
You completely miss the point Risso.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 09, 2016, 08:52:57 PM
Paurpers to Princes we will not be this season.  Neither Moyes or Pearson are miracle workers.  Not sure of the way forward though.

If Garde is sacked or walks which is a possibility then would take Moyes over Pearson if only because he has managed big  clubs  previously and the one thing about the Villa is that we are a big club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2016, 08:54:47 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 09, 2016, 08:40:41 PM
Can we change the thread to Garde out?

When he leaves the club, yes. Why would we change it before?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 09, 2016, 08:55:49 PM
Garde now has big problems. Self inflicted or not. Two home games or maybe three in a row with the replay. Its going to be tough for him thats for certain. Normally the pressure cooker that is Villa Park at the moment lets off steam wih an away game but with three on the bounce...

 The atmosphere is going to be poisonous after so many years of decline. Its unfortunate that Garde is in the firing line as his under performing side continue to either not follow his instruction or aren't good enough to carry it out.We looked better with Ayew and Veretout late on and I'm hoping the players dig out a performance from somewhere for the guy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on January 09, 2016, 09:06:22 PM
Listening to him as I was driving home and he sounded like I do after. My 6 and 3 year-old have mentally and physically run me into the ground. His comments were all g the line of, "well we scored a goal and for us that's something". I think is genuinely at a loss with this crop of players and wishes he could start again fully knowing that we are absolute tosh.

As for him as a manager I too would keep him because there are signs that we are set-up better but silly mistakes, a lack of movement, ball watching players, and poor players out of their depth is taking its toll. I hope he stays but I can see him walking because this squad seem incapable of doing even the basics. I feel for the guy. He must hate coming into work.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2016, 09:06:43 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 09, 2016, 08:37:44 PM
I'd like to see Garde given more time but i've got to admit, how Gestede stayed on the pitch is beyond me. He was absolutely awful. It was a bit worrying the manager was not willing to give the other striker sat on the bench a run.

and it's not like it was the odd bad game.  Gestede is woeful, Kozak would be better, Agbonlahor would be better, any of the U18 team would be better.  I feel sorry for the lad, he just can't play football.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on January 09, 2016, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: Nunkin1965 on January 09, 2016, 08:55:49 PM
Garde now has big problems. Self inflicted or not. Two home games or maybe three in a row with the replay. Its going to be tough for him thats for certain. Normally the pressure cooker that is Villa Park at the moment lets off steam wih an away game but with three on the bounce...

 The atmosphere is going to be poisonous after so many years of decline. Its unfortunate that Garde is in the firing line as his under performing side continue to either not follow his instruction or aren't good enough to carry it out.We looked better with Ayew and Veretout late on and I'm hoping the players dig out a performance from somewhere for the guy.

Yes, but picking Bacuna, Richardson, Westwood and Gestede to start? That's useless team selection. Any one of use could've picked a better starting line-up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on January 09, 2016, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: ez on January 09, 2016, 08:16:35 PM
Well i think the honeymoon period is now over.

Ten games?  Madness.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on January 09, 2016, 09:15:42 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 09, 2016, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: Nunkin1965 on January 09, 2016, 08:55:49 PM
Garde now has big problems. Self inflicted or not. Two home games or maybe three in a row with the replay. Its going to be tough for him thats for certain. Normally the pressure cooker that is Villa Park at the moment lets off steam wih an away game but with three on the bounce...

 The atmosphere is going to be poisonous after so many years of decline. Its unfortunate that Garde is in the firing line as his under performing side continue to either not follow his instruction or aren't good enough to carry it out.We looked better with Ayew and Veretout late on and I'm hoping the players dig out a performance from somewhere for the guy.

Yes, but picking Bacuna, Richardson, Westwood and Gestede to start? That's useless team selection. Any one of use could've picked a better starting line-up.

He was resting players for the C Palace match.  It's not his fault we have such a poor squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 09, 2016, 09:18:33 PM
Garde really isn't to blame for this at all it's 100% on the players. They're not good enough and simply not putting in the desired effort, all the stats bare this out.

We need a total clear out of these cancerous bastards and to start again with a nucleus of 6/7 from the current squad. 

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 09, 2016, 09:21:38 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on January 09, 2016, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: ez on January 09, 2016, 08:16:35 PM
Well i think the honeymoon period is now over.

Ten games?  Madness.

i dont want him sacked but not many teams would put up with no wins in 10
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 09, 2016, 09:26:52 PM
I like him, I want him to stay and lead us back.  His interview today was honest.  They did stop playing after they scored. That's going completely against how he he set them up.  I fail to see what else he can do.  Having said that Kozak must be complete gash not to get a game in this team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 09, 2016, 09:28:13 PM
He's not going to survive anyway if we're stuck on 8 points and the rest of the Premier League are galloping off into the distance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on January 09, 2016, 09:30:04 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on January 09, 2016, 09:15:42 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 09, 2016, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: Nunkin1965 on January 09, 2016, 08:55:49 PM
Garde now has big problems. Self inflicted or not. Two home games or maybe three in a row with the replay. Its going to be tough for him thats for certain. Normally the pressure cooker that is Villa Park at the moment lets off steam wih an away game but with three on the bounce...

 The atmosphere is going to be poisonous after so many years of decline. Its unfortunate that Garde is in the firing line as his under performing side continue to either not follow his instruction or aren't good enough to carry it out.We looked better with Ayew and Veretout late on and I'm hoping the players dig out a performance from somewhere for the guy.

Yes, but picking Bacuna, Richardson, Westwood and Gestede to start? That's useless team selection. Any one of use could've picked a better starting line-up.

He was resting players for the C Palace match.  It's not his fault we have such a poor squad.

I can't believe you're defending Garde!... We're down, accept it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 09, 2016, 09:32:40 PM
I wasn't over impressed with the line up but I can understand why he chose it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 09, 2016, 09:36:03 PM
Using things like the nonselection of kozak to justify getting rid of Garde after 10 games is through the looking glass batshit crazy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 09, 2016, 09:39:26 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 09, 2016, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: Nunkin1965 on January 09, 2016, 08:55:49 PM
Garde now has big problems. Self inflicted or not. Two home games or maybe three in a row with the replay. Its going to be tough for him thats for certain. Normally the pressure cooker that is Villa Park at the moment lets off steam wih an away game but with three on the bounce...

 The atmosphere is going to be poisonous after so many years of decline. Its unfortunate that Garde is in the firing line as his under performing side continue to either not follow his instruction or aren't good enough to carry it out.We looked better with Ayew and Veretout late on and I'm hoping the players dig out a performance from somewhere for the guy.

Yes, but picking Bacuna, Richardson, Westwood and Gestede to start? That's useless team selection. Any one of use could've picked a better starting line-up.

Grealish, Traore, Hutton, Agbonlahor, Sanchez, Amavi out injured or ill, with Ayew and Veretout rested with Tuesday in mind.

Who are you going to conjure up who is going to suddenly improve us and hasn't already had a chance? Kozak? Lescott? Crespo? N'Zogbia? The squad is crap and had he picked anyone else today it would still have been crap.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on January 09, 2016, 09:41:15 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 09, 2016, 09:36:03 PM
Using things like the nonselection of kozak to justify getting rid of Garde after 10 games is through the looking glass batshit crazy.

I don't want him gone, but I don't think those that do are hanging there hat just on that to be fair
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 09, 2016, 09:43:42 PM
I genuinely think you could pick infinite combinations of 11 players from our current squad in an infinite variety of formations and not one of them could beat Wycombe.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on January 09, 2016, 09:46:45 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 09, 2016, 09:30:04 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on January 09, 2016, 09:15:42 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 09, 2016, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: Nunkin1965 on January 09, 2016, 08:55:49 PM
Garde now has big problems. Self inflicted or not. Two home games or maybe three in a row with the replay. Its going to be tough for him thats for certain. Normally the pressure cooker that is Villa Park at the moment lets off steam wih an away game but with three on the bounce...

 The atmosphere is going to be poisonous after so many years of decline. Its unfortunate that Garde is in the firing line as his under performing side continue to either not follow his instruction or aren't good enough to carry it out.We looked better with Ayew and Veretout late on and I'm hoping the players dig out a performance from somewhere for the guy.

Yes, but picking Bacuna, Richardson, Westwood and Gestede to start? That's useless team selection. Any one of use could've picked a better starting line-up.

He was resting players for the C Palace match.  It's not his fault we have such a poor squad.

I can't believe you're defending Garde!... We're down, accept it.

I can't believe your attacking Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 09, 2016, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: john e on January 09, 2016, 09:41:15 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 09, 2016, 09:36:03 PM
Using things like the nonselection of kozak to justify getting rid of Garde after 10 games is through the looking glass batshit crazy.

I don't want him gone, but I don't think those that do are hanging there hat just on that to be fair

Fair point I'm exaggerating. But I just can't understand making a judgment on Garde this soon when he's come in when the club is in such a bizarro state. Is there a squad as shambolic in world football as ours? They're crap, unfit, desperately devoid of confidence, mostly want to be elsewhere, apparently can't follow basic tactical instructions and possibly all hate each other. If Garde was the best manager on earth it would take more than 10 games to sort this shit out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2016, 10:06:36 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 09, 2016, 09:43:42 PM
I genuinely think you could pick infinite combinations of 11 players from our current squad in an infinite variety of formations and not one of them could beat Wycombe.

I'm not sure if I'm missing sarcasm here, but we were rubbish today and we were still the width of a post away winning.

That doesn't sound like a situation where we could never possibly beat Wycombe to me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 09, 2016, 10:51:01 PM
Yeah I'm joking about Wycombe but my point is that I don't believe you can judge garde with such a crap squad of players. They've failed to do it for the best part of five months for three managers with vastly different approaches. This thing about an inability to follow instructions, from both TS and RG, is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The players are the problem.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wozwebs on January 09, 2016, 10:51:24 PM
JUST IN: A premier league manager about to resign ... More tomorrow on @btsport

Wouldn't be surprised if Remi said "fuck this"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2016, 10:52:56 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on January 09, 2016, 10:51:24 PM
JUST IN: A premier league manager about to resign ... More tomorrow on @btsport

Wouldn't be surprised if Remi said "fuck this"

Garde is 6/1 to be the next manager to leave, Van Gaal is 1/3.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on January 09, 2016, 10:56:19 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 09, 2016, 10:52:56 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on January 09, 2016, 10:51:24 PM
JUST IN: A premier league manager about to resign ... More tomorrow on @btsport

Wouldn't be surprised if Remi said "fuck this"

Garde is 6/1 to be the next manager to leave, Van Gaal is 1/3.

Van Gaal. Watch him walking away from the dugout today and looking at the fans. Hand shandy and thumbs down signs. He's a gonner. However, Garde might rethink his position after the next three games as they are all at home.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2016, 10:59:10 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on January 09, 2016, 10:51:24 PM
JUST IN: A premier league manager about to resign ... More tomorrow on @btsport

Wouldn't be surprised if Remi said "fuck this"

Where you heard that? Can't see it on their site.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 09, 2016, 11:02:39 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2016, 10:59:10 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on January 09, 2016, 10:51:24 PM
JUST IN: A premier league manager about to resign ... More tomorrow on @btsport

Wouldn't be surprised if Remi said "fuck this"

Where you heard that? Can't see it on their site.

If they knew who is was it'd be all over their site.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 11:11:38 PM
There were some on twitter claiming Garde was going to walk after today. I can't see it, but would not really be surprised if he did. He does not seem to have the players with him fully, and the fans acting like they were today, certain to be relegated with an owner who is looking to sell and it being very clear that your top transfer targets are unlikely to come. I would not blame him for looking to preserve what is left of his reputation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 09, 2016, 11:19:35 PM
Wouldn't blame him either. He cpuld end up being the managerial equivalent of all these young players we've wrecked over the last few years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on January 09, 2016, 11:21:49 PM
I hope he doesn't, but I could not blame him.

If he does where we do we go from here? I really hope we would not go for Pearsonor another similar type manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Trinitymiddle on January 09, 2016, 11:28:07 PM
If he did walk now, I think his reputation would be fairly unscathed. He could blame walk out on Villa being a basket case, which it is. Does he really need the damage his reputation will take if he stays, or the money. He may never get a decent job again if he doesn't get another win all season. And I dont see any players coming in to help our cause this season, we're not being linked with anyone that I can see.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 11:31:01 PM
Pearson would have been offering our fans out for a fight today.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 09, 2016, 11:31:20 PM
Quote from: Ian J on January 09, 2016, 11:21:49 PM
I hope he doesn't, but I could not blame him.

If he does where we do we go from here? I really hope we would not go for Pearsonor another similar type manager.

It would fit the pattern. We're due an unreconstituted British pillock next.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on January 09, 2016, 11:32:45 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 09, 2016, 11:31:20 PM
Quote from: Ian J on January 09, 2016, 11:21:49 PM
I hope he doesn't, but I could not blame him.

If he does where we do we go from here? I really hope we would not go for Pearsonor another similar type manager.

It would fit the pattern. We're due an unreconstituted British pillock next.
That's my fear.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on January 09, 2016, 11:34:04 PM
Villa has become a graveyard for players and managers, Lerner has ruined the club and there will be no change while he is in charge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 09, 2016, 11:39:28 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on January 09, 2016, 11:28:07 PM
And I dont see any players coming in to help our cause this season, we're not being linked with anyone that I can see.
Players come for money not cause.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 10, 2016, 12:01:26 AM
Quote from: themossman on January 09, 2016, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: john e on January 09, 2016, 09:41:15 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 09, 2016, 09:36:03 PM
Using things like the nonselection of kozak to justify getting rid of Garde after 10 games is through the looking glass batshit crazy.

I don't want him gone, but I don't think those that do are hanging there hat just on that to be fair

Fair point I'm exaggerating. But I just can't understand making a judgment on Garde this soon when he's come in when the club is in such a bizarro state. Is there a squad as shambolic in world football as ours? They're crap, unfit, desperately devoid of confidence, mostly want to be elsewhere, apparently can't follow basic tactical instructions and possibly all hate each other. If Garde was the best manager on earth it would take more than 10 games to sort this shit out.

A win would be nice though. I really don't think it's too much to ask.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Trinitymiddle on January 10, 2016, 12:04:04 AM
Quote from: olaftab on January 09, 2016, 11:39:28 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on January 09, 2016, 11:28:07 PM
And I dont see any players coming in to help our cause this season, we're not being linked with anyone that I can see.
Players come for money not cause.
I wasn't suggesting a player would come because he wanted to help "save" the Villa. It's a figure of speech.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Trinitymiddle on January 10, 2016, 12:05:28 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 11:31:01 PM
Pearson would have been offering our fans out for a fight today.
Pearson would probably have won the game.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 10, 2016, 06:20:10 AM
We are all aware of how desperate we are and where we all believe we are going to end up come the end of the season, so this is where I am annoyed at Garde, he has stated that the players he picks are not following instructions, we can see some of them, again who he picks nearly every week have a problem with the basics of the game of football, so do not play them, tell us the supporters what we already know and play the kids, they would get the backing of the support and so would he for having some balls, to never put a villa shirt on the likes of Gestede, Richardson, Bacuna, Guzan, Westwood, Lescott, the shit stirrer that I think is the main offender of the split in the dressing room Richards, would elevate him straight away, I fear he does not have the guts for this and we are falling into another Lambert situation, where we are happy to have anyone as long as it is not tactic Tim.
Grow a pair Remi but I will not hold my breathe waiting for it to happen.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Le Lapin on January 10, 2016, 07:05:47 AM
Remi has had enough time to have given the back four some structure.  How can other clubs have defences that are at least reasonably competent.  Our guys are still making the same mistakes,  the same lapses of concentration,  the same lack of positioning that they have been doing since the start of the season.  There is a lot wrong with our team, and I don't envy Remi's task.  But at least get our defence working as a unit, how fcukin hard is that to do after the time he's been in charge to, to teach professional defenders to defend. The players aren't that bad. They need structure and instruction.  If this is still beyond Remi and his team,  then the current manager and coaches are not fit for purpose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2016, 07:14:54 AM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on January 10, 2016, 12:05:28 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 11:31:01 PM
Pearson would have been offering our fans out for a fight today.
Pearson would probably have won the game.

Why's that then? Last year his Leicester side lost in the other cup at home to Shrewsbury.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 10, 2016, 07:24:17 AM
Agree with pretty much all of that Kuwait but I do believe Garde's conduct and comments about the players at Wycombe show clearly that he is no coward. I suspect that he has had the same lack of good support and advice from those around him that blighted Lerner's early years.  He has trusted the opinions of those who are supposed to know the players and is now finding that his backroom staff are as bad as his players.

I hope he starts to get some blood on the dressing room floor and be his own man.  Play the untried young players.  Get the crowd back behind the players.  It worked for Joe Mercer.  Let's face it, we have nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 07:57:13 AM
Problem is such a decision would not be Garde's alone, he'd need the green light from above, if we just dropped all of the players that we know are wasters;

1) We'd need to suddenly promote a heap of young reserve/youth team players into PL football, this could damage their confidence/careers. We've seen it happen enough ourselves over the last few years so we should have learned our lesson by now.

2) We'd devalue practically to zero those players that we ostracize from the team by outing them as shite and a bad influence on the side. This would make them very hard to move on and this sort of treatment of 'professionals' gives the club a bad name amongst other players out there.  I presume we actually do want to move these fuckers on at some stage. Reduces the value of the Club for sale.

3) It'd mean the hierarchy admitting in the most public of terms that they've made a total balls up of the club. Relegation is one thing, relegation whilst sacking 8-9 first team squad members is humiliating to the people who oversee the club, they'll never sanction it.

4) To take such drastic action you've actually got to be that bothered about our decline in the first place.  A lot of shit would come your way, does Lerner really need it.

I've no time for much of our current squad but we need clear heads and realism to get us through this not knee jerk emotional decisions.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 10, 2016, 08:07:25 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 09, 2016, 03:06:42 PM
The very least I expected when he took over was him, after apparently watching all our games so far on DVD to immediately identify the players who just cant cut it. The obvious ones, it's not difficult, the bloke who barely moves, the midfielder who can't kick a ball, the smirking bloke who no one knows what he does. But he just hasn't. He doesn't display anything suggesting he's learnt anything so far.

You telling me an under 21 isn't as good as Richardson? If he isn't he shouldn't be at the club. Lyden or Gardner isn't as good as the bloke who continually displays an inability to kick a football? Bollocks.

He's just done an utterly rubbish job so far.

If he only played players who were good enough, we'd have to join the power league.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 10, 2016, 08:09:36 AM
Respect your points Oz but the nettle has to be grasped. 

When Joe Mercer used all his considerable clout in the game to institute his "Mercer's Minnows" policy, he faced the same sort of opposition but he turned the team around and took unknown young Villa players like Alan Deakin, Mike Tindall, John Sleeuwenhoek to international recognition plus preparing the ground for the likes of Harry Burrows and Stan Crowther (released to help Man U rebuild post Munich).  Blooding young players en masse is nothing new and was, at the time very uplifting.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on January 10, 2016, 08:11:52 AM
Different times and different wages and contract clauses though Brian. Plus, whose to say the kids are either ready or indeed, any good?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 10, 2016, 08:17:18 AM
Yes if course point taken Peter but my view is that the basics are the same.

Coincidentally, as you yourself may recall, a great deal of the bile and venom heaped on Joe Mercer was because he was a cockney and an Arsenal man. Plus ca change and all that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Trinitymiddle on January 10, 2016, 08:20:14 AM
Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2016, 07:14:54 AM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on January 10, 2016, 12:05:28 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 11:31:01 PM
Pearson would have been offering our fans out for a fight today.
Pearson would probably have won the game.

Why's that then? Last year his Leicester side lost in the other cup at home to Shrewsbury.
What on earth has that game got to do with the game yesterday??
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on January 10, 2016, 08:24:21 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 07:57:13 AM
Problem is such a decision would not be Garde's alone, he'd need the green light from above, if we just dropped all of the players that we know are wasters;

1) We'd need to suddenly promote a heap of young reserve/youth team players into PL football, this could damage their confidence/careers. We've seen it happen enough ourselves over the last few years so we should have learned our lesson by now.

2) We'd devalue practically to zero those players that we ostracize from the team by outing them as shite and a bad influence on the side. This would make them very hard to move on and this sort of treatment of 'professionals' gives the club a bad name amongst other players out there.  I presume we actually do want to move these fuckers on at some stage. Reduces the value of the Club for sale.

3) It'd mean the hierarchy admitting in the most public of terms that they've made a total balls up of the club. Relegation is one thing, relegation whilst sacking 8-9 first team squad members is humiliating to the people who oversee the club, they'll never sanction it.

4) To take such drastic action you've actually got to be that bothered about our decline in the first place.  A lot of shit would come your way, does Lerner really need it.

I've no time for much of our current squad but we need clear heads and realism to get us through this not knee jerk emotional decisions.



David James made a comment in the pre match build up when asked about villas transfer window targets and budget. He said villa may be better using funds available to pay up the contracts of a player / players who are a cancer within the club rather than buying new player/ players.

I would imagine he has heard about the villa dressing room and the problems some players are causing.

Those players need to be got rid of - with a statement of explanation - and if that means playing some of the kids until the end of the season then so be it.

By playing the kids , I think a good portion of the crowd will stay with the team - by continually playing the current players , things will get more and more toxic .
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on January 10, 2016, 08:28:15 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 10, 2016, 08:09:36 AM
Respect your points Oz but the nettle has to be grasped. 

When Joe Mercer used all his considerable clout in the game to institute his "Mercer's Minnows" policy, he faced the same sort of opposition but he turned the team around and took unknown young Villa players like Alan Deakin, Mike Tindall, John Sleeuwenhoek to international recognition plus preparing the ground for the likes of Harry Burrows and Stan Crowther (released to help Man U rebuild post Munich).  Blooding young players en masse is nothing new and was, at the time very uplifting.

Mercer Minors. Crowther had played in the Cup Final in 57 and Mercer sold him just over a month after he took Villa over in December (stone cold bottom). Apart from that the comparison's apt. Villa treated Mercer badly in the end I thought.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on January 10, 2016, 08:40:42 AM
I don't like the idea or the thought of losing 6-0 every week.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 10, 2016, 08:49:15 AM
Yes Woofles but the significant point if I may make it is that Joe did not want to sell Stan Crowther.  I met Joe several times and he told me so.  It was all part of the outpouring of sympathy for Manchester United and that the Football League should rally round them.  There were plenty, myself included for voicing the opinion that the same generosity would not have been extended to an equally damaged but less high media profile club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 10, 2016, 08:50:03 AM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on January 10, 2016, 08:20:14 AM
Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2016, 07:14:54 AM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on January 10, 2016, 12:05:28 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 11:31:01 PM
Pearson would have been offering our fans out for a fight today.
Pearson would probably have won the game.

Why's that then? Last year his Leicester side lost in the other cup at home to Shrewsbury.
What on earth has that game got to do with the game yesterday??


As much as suggesting that Pearson being in charge would magically make us start winning matches when he has spent nearly a decade being a pretty shit football manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on January 10, 2016, 09:11:49 AM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on January 10, 2016, 08:28:15 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 10, 2016, 08:09:36 AM
Respect your points Oz but the nettle has to be grasped. 

When Joe Mercer used all his considerable clout in the game to institute his "Mercer's Minnows" policy, he faced the same sort of opposition but he turned the team around and took unknown young Villa players like Alan Deakin, Mike Tindall, John Sleeuwenhoek to international recognition plus preparing the ground for the likes of Harry Burrows and Stan Crowther (released to help Man U rebuild post Munich).  Blooding young players en masse is nothing new and was, at the time very uplifting.

Mercer Minors. Crowther had played in the Cup Final in 57 and Mercer sold him just over a month after he took Villa over in December (stone cold bottom). Apart from that the comparison's apt. Villa treated Mercer badly in the end I thought.

My father has always belived that Villa broke Mercer so much so that he had serious health problems following his experiences at the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on January 10, 2016, 09:17:21 AM
My memory may deceive me but I always believed it was a requirement of the FA that each club offered up a first team player and Crowther was ours, I don't remember it as an option.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on January 10, 2016, 09:19:48 AM
There are too many people at Villa Park who have too much power and are stopping whatever manager is in place doing what he thinks is the right thing to do.

If Remi Garde resigns the next manager will have exactly the same problems. Its a vicious circle. This may change if Mr Lerner sells the club but be honest it doesn't look very likely does it?.

I like Remi Garde. I think he should resign to retain his sanity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 10, 2016, 09:22:53 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 10, 2016, 09:17:21 AM
My memory may deceive me but I always believed it was a requirement of the FA that each club offered up a first team player and Crowther was ours, I don't remember it as an option.

It wasn't an order but there was a lot of pressure placed on clubs. Bob Lord was particularly vociferous against.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 10, 2016, 09:23:52 AM
Again Oz respect your response, but the club can be doing itself no favors what so ever how it is being perceived now, as to being beat heavily, again the crowd will stick with the team if it sees it trying, we want effort that's not alot and we are not getting it.

If Garde needs permission from those above as to who he has in his match day squad and who he does not, I suggest if he has any principles he tells Fox where to stick the job, but I do have a feeling you are very close to the mark with him not being allowed to do what I suggested, which again shows we have picked a man that will make very little waves and as for football tactics and improving the squad the not making waves is more important , this being the main reason for getting rid of Tactic Tim, they knew he would not keep his mouth shut.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on January 10, 2016, 09:33:07 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 10, 2016, 09:17:21 AM
My memory may deceive me but I always believed it was a requirement of the FA that each club offered up a first team player and Crowther was ours, I don't remember it as an option.

I think Man Utd made it very plain they wanted Stan. He was our best player in the Cup Final but if he had been given the choice he would have stayed where he
was happy. He said so many times later in life. Hated it up there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villasjf on January 10, 2016, 09:44:20 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 10, 2016, 09:19:48 AM
There are too many people at Villa Park who have too much power and are stopping whatever manager is in place doing what he thinks is the right thing to do.

If Remi Garde resigns the next manager will have exactly the same problems. Its a vicious circle. This may change if Mr Lerner sells the club but be honest it doesn't look very likely does it?.

I like Remi Garde. I think he should resign to retain his sanity.
I think he should go too, this club destroys managers at the moment puts 10 to 20 years on them in 12 months. look at Lambert now he looks vibrant again. This job was too big for Remi. why did he leave his last club?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 10, 2016, 09:45:13 AM
Thank you Ron M.  He hated them mocking his accent among other things.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 10, 2016, 09:52:04 AM
The club have made a  series of recruitment errors in recent years both on playing and non playing staff. That won't change one iota until the club is sold and might not even then, if it gets into the hands of the wrong people (Blackburn springs to mind). And to think, only a few years ago, people were lauding Lerner as a model owner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 10, 2016, 09:58:40 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 10, 2016, 08:49:15 AM
Yes Woofles but the significant point if I may make it is that Joe did not want to sell Stan Crowther.  I met Joe several times and he told me so.  It was all part of the outpouring of sympathy for Manchester United and that the Football League should rally round them.  There were plenty, myself included for voicing the opinion that the same generosity would not have been extended to an equally damaged but less high media profile club.

Stan Crowther had been sold before Joe Mercer was appointed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 10, 2016, 10:01:53 AM
I'm hearing there have been rumours overnight that Remi Garde is about to jack it all in. My suspicion is that this won't happen.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 10:21:00 AM
I like Remi and the malaise at this club goes way deeper, I want him to remain in charge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 10, 2016, 10:24:44 AM
I wouldn't blame him whatsoever if he jumps ship - commentating on the PL for Canal, or wrestling with the toxicity that is currently Aston Villa. It's a no brainer for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on January 10, 2016, 10:27:22 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 10, 2016, 09:58:40 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 10, 2016, 08:49:15 AM
Yes Woofles but the significant point if I may make it is that Joe did not want to sell Stan Crowther.  I met Joe several times and he told me so.  It was all part of the outpouring of sympathy for Manchester United and that the Football League should rally round them.  There were plenty, myself included for voicing the opinion that the same generosity would not have been extended to an equally damaged but less high media profile club.

Stan Crowther had been sold before Joe Mercer was appointed.

I must admit I thought Eric Houghton sold him. Didnt Stan say something like "I havent got my boots with me" when Eric offered to drive him up there. Houghton said "Ive put them in the boot" That more or less sealed it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on January 10, 2016, 10:29:29 AM
Reading some of the above re Stan Crowther's departure to Manure reminded me of a lad I used to work with who, when the topic of Manure came up always used to say,"sad that they lost half a football team in a plane crash but the rest of the football world has been paying for it ever since".  Not as politely put as that.  I don't think he liked them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on January 10, 2016, 10:45:55 AM
Wouldn't surprise me one iota if he walked away. That toe curling abuse he got yesterday after the game was way out of order. Who really needs that in their life?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 10, 2016, 10:48:47 AM
The more I see us play under him the more I'm convinced he's the wrong man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 10:52:07 AM
If Garde walked away it'd be a nightmare. Sid till the end of the season type situation. No one half decent would touch us with a barge pole.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on January 10, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 10, 2016, 10:48:47 AM
The more I see us play under him the more I'm convinced he's the wrong man.

Problem being that line could have been used at any time in the last 5 years. Which suggests changing again will be unlikely to make any discernible difference.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 10:55:55 AM
If he did walk any interest on here in Gary Rowett?

I think he's done a great job over there and he's a Villa fan  ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on January 10, 2016, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 10:55:55 AM
If he did walk any interest on here in Gary Rowett?

I think he's done a great job over here and he's a Villa fan  ;)

At this moment in time, no chance. Once he's managed elsewhere and been de-loused then maybe, just maybe.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Trinitymiddle on January 10, 2016, 10:58:09 AM
Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2016, 08:50:03 AM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on January 10, 2016, 08:20:14 AM
Quote from: Dave on January 10, 2016, 07:14:54 AM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on January 10, 2016, 12:05:28 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 09, 2016, 11:31:01 PM
Pearson would have been offering our fans out for a fight today.
Pearson would probably have won the game.

Why's that then? Last year his Leicester side lost in the other cup at home to Shrewsbury.
What on earth has that game got to do with the game yesterday??


As much as suggesting that Pearson being in charge would magically make us start winning matches when he has spent nearly a decade being a pretty shit football manager.
I didn't say anything of the sort. Try reading what people write before you start a debate with them.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2016, 10:59:28 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on January 10, 2016, 10:24:44 AM
I wouldn't blame him whatsoever if he jumps ship - commentating on the PL for Canal, or wrestling with the toxicity that is currently Aston Villa. It's a no brainer for me.

Living in done lovely part of rural France or trying to manage this lot. Hmmm. Tough call. I think he is mad to stay.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 10, 2016, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 10:52:07 AM
If Garde walked away it'd be a nightmare. Sid till the end of the season type situation. No one half decent would touch us with a barge pole.
I'm sure it would be Pearson until the end of the season......
I want Remi to stay and rebuild the whole fucking shambles.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 10, 2016, 11:02:08 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2016, 10:59:28 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on January 10, 2016, 10:24:44 AM
I wouldn't blame him whatsoever if he jumps ship - commentating on the PL for Canal, or wrestling with the toxicity that is currently Aston Villa. It's a no brainer for me.

Living in done lovely part of rural France or trying to manage this lot. Hmmm. Tough call. I think he is mad to stay.

I just don't get it - in that he has not walked back across the channel yet.  Everything is wrong for him, crap club at moment, a grey mark on his CV and all the hassle and stress - why would anyone want that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on January 10, 2016, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 10:55:55 AM
If he did walk any interest on here in Gary Rowett?

I think he's done a great job over there and he's a Villa fan  ;)

It turned out well last time we tried that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 11:04:42 AM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on January 10, 2016, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 10:52:07 AM
If Garde walked away it'd be a nightmare. Sid till the end of the season type situation. No one half decent would touch us with a barge pole.
I'm sure it would be Pearson until the end of the season......
I want Remi to stay and rebuild the whole fucking shambles.

So do I. Pearson isn't half decent in my opinion. He's a very ordinary manager with potentially some mental health issues.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 11:10:15 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 10, 2016, 11:03:35 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 10:55:55 AM
If he did walk any interest on here in Gary Rowett?

I think he's done a great job over there and he's a Villa fan  ;)

It turned out well last time we tried that.

What, halcyon days now those were.

Anyway, we should never let that experience bother us if they've someone worthwhile. I don't think he has a contract so Lerner would love that and we'd just have to click our fingers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2016, 11:11:53 AM
Pearson is a fruit loop and his son is a nasty piece of work.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on January 10, 2016, 11:16:18 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 10:21:00 AM
I like Remi and the malaise at this club goes way deeper, I want him to remain in charge.

I definitely do but he needs backing from us fans as well as the club. He's only human and doesn't need to stay.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on January 10, 2016, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 10, 2016, 07:24:17 AM
Agree with pretty much all of that Kuwait but I do believe Garde's conduct and comments about the players at Wycombe show clearly that he is no coward. I suspect that he has had the same lack of good support and advice from those around him that blighted Lerner's early years.  He has trusted the opinions of those who are supposed to know the players and is now finding that his backroom staff are as bad as his players.

I hope he starts to get some blood on the dressing room floor and be his own man.  Play the untried young players.  Get the crowd back behind the players.  It worked for Joe Mercer.  Let's face it, we have nothing to lose.

I  find myself agreeing with you all the time, Brian
 You must be very intelligent.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 10, 2016, 11:26:29 AM
I bow to your superior knowledge about who sold Stan Crowther.  I thought it was Mercer under duress. Wasn't there a period when we were bottom if the league that Joe Mercer's services were sought in an advisory capacity prior to him actually becoming manager? 

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 10, 2016, 11:33:46 AM
Garde is the new kid on the block and needs the time and backing to rid the club of the past few years of a culture of defeat and piss taking by players and staff. It won't be easy but is the best opportunity we have to eradicate the shit and to refocus and get the foundations right to hopefully comeback.

Unfortunately for Reme with no other visible leaders or figurehead at the club he will get the brunt of stick and frustration from the average Villa fan. Fox and co should be lifting their heads above the parapet to relieve some of the pressure from him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on January 10, 2016, 11:46:11 AM
Quote from: berneboy on January 10, 2016, 11:16:18 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 10:21:00 AM
I like Remi and the malaise at this club goes way deeper, I want him to remain in charge.

I definitely do but he needs backing from us fans as well as the club. He's only human and doesn't need to stay.


He needs backing from the fans AND he needs Lerner/Fox to come out and show leadership by being a focal point for the fans' concerns.  Leaving Garde on his own to face the press and to be the target of four/five years of fan anger is simply not on.  Garde strikes me as as a very shrewd, intelligent guy who, if given time, could breathe life into the Academy and Club.

  This is now totally down to the Boardroom - they have to come out, back their man and then explain what's going on to the supporters.  It will clear the air and help us face the future.  If they bury their heads in the sand, keep a low profile and leave yet another manager hanging out to dry they will have to suffer the consequences of such crass mismanagement.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on January 10, 2016, 11:52:10 AM
If Garde does walk then it means the wankers on the playing staff  have won, no decent manager would come near us we are that toxic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 10, 2016, 11:59:01 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 10, 2016, 11:26:29 AM
I bow to your superior knowledge about who sold Stan Crowther.  I thought it was Mercer under duress. Wasn't there a period when we were bottom if the league that Joe Mercer's services were sought in an advisory capacity prior to him actually becoming manager? 



I doubt it as he was Sheffield United manager before resigning to take our job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 10, 2016, 12:07:44 PM
Yes you are correct as always DW. Stan went in February 58 Joe came in December of 58.  My meetings with Joe were during his time at Coventry and the only topics I recall with clarity are Stan Crowther and Dennis Mortimer.  I expect the phrase "I would not have let him go" came up and time has blurred my memory.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 10, 2016, 12:08:03 PM
At the moment and I really hope I am proved wrong, but he has shown nothing to me that makes me feel like he is the man to grab the club by the scruff of the neck, to admit the players are not doing what he tells them and then pick more or less the same team for the next match major concern, to maybe see their is a dressing room rift and yet not address it, another major concern, to make a group of players who we all know were not very good even worse, to see individual mistakes week after week and yet not seem to improve one area of the team i.e. defence, to play up front a player that is now totally shot and even if not starting, to see this player as an option of the bench and then finally to go ten games without a win, sorry nice man wrong job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 10, 2016, 12:11:31 PM
So we were saving players on Saturday for Tueday, why?
So Garde has bought into the Krulak myth that we can survive.
The clear out and rebuilding should have started but oh no we are saving ourselves for Palace.
Relegation should be a major setback, with this thinking it will be catastrophic.
We are a Zombie, shuffling towards the edge of the cliff.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 10, 2016, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 10, 2016, 12:07:44 PM
Yes you are correct as always DW. Stan went in February 58 Joe came in December of 58.  My meetings with Joe were during his time at Coventry and the only topics I recall with clarity are Stan Crowther and Dennis Mortimer.  I expect the phrase "I would not have let him go" came up and time has blurred my memory.

Mercer resigned as Sheffield United manager but had to then apply in writing for the Villa job. They did things differently in 1958.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on January 10, 2016, 12:16:27 PM
Ten games without a win at a club that was struggling to even draw games before he arrived?  If he'd just taken over from LVG at man utd you'd have a point Kuwait, but the context here is very different.  This is a very poor team that is mentally shot.  Garde needs months to fix it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 10, 2016, 12:35:00 PM
I don't think he can fix it - but then I don't think anyone can at the moment. A total purge is needed other than the obvious one or two.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 12:51:53 PM
Quote from: berneboy on January 10, 2016, 11:16:18 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 10:21:00 AM
I like Remi and the malaise at this club goes way deeper, I want him to remain in charge.

I definitely do but he needs backing from us fans as well as the club. He's only human and doesn't need to stay.


I agree, he's seems to be pretty bright and thoughtful and has as much chance as anyone of sorting us. Changing manager again will do nothing with the team in its current state.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2016, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on January 10, 2016, 12:16:27 PM
Ten games without a win at a club that was struggling to even draw games before he arrived?  If he'd just taken over from LVG at man utd you'd have a point Kuwait, but the context here is very different.  This is a very poor team that is mentally shot.  Garde needs months to fix it.

In my opinion he has done nothing to make things better though, and if anything is making them worse.  Another absolutey dismal team selection yesterday.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on January 10, 2016, 01:23:32 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on January 10, 2016, 12:16:27 PM
Ten games without a win at a club that was struggling to even draw games before he arrived?  If he'd just taken over from LVG at man utd you'd have a point Kuwait, but the context here is very different.  This is a very poor team that is mentally shot.  Garde needs months to fix it.
I think you are right, I hope there are signs of an improvement as we play out what's left of this season. If so, we should stick with him to try and turn things around. Much as I like him if we continue as we have been until May he will be gone one way or another.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: loughborough villain on January 10, 2016, 01:31:50 PM
Not sure if this should have been in this thread or the Randy Lerner one but hopefully relevant either way.

The manager at Aston Villa is not the problem and hasn't been for a long time now.  Aston Villa is to us as supporters a Football Club but to the owner it is simply a business and this is where the issues lie as this business is being run very badly.  In any badly run business it is very unlikely that things can change unless the philosophy at the very top changes so unless Lerner either sells the club or publicly announces a clear revised plan for the future of the business I can't see much improving and actually expect that things will get a whole lot worse.

The business world, whilst always changing and evolving, has changed dramatically over the past ten years but one thing that generally remains constant is that successful businesses have a clear model and stated plan, currently Aston Villa have neither.

In the industry where I work traditional market leading companies have been overtaken during this time by upcoming, dynamic companies that have embraced modern practices. I have seen some very good and capable people in our industry take decent positions in some of these traditional companies only to find out that the business model makes it impossible to operate. The tradition of these companies will mean that for a period of time they will remain attractive to someone but the quality of that person gets weaker every time there is a change.  Aston Villa are an almost exact parallel of many of the traditional market leaders in my industry.

In my role if I had to recruit at 20% below the going rate for a decent employee I would be gambling almost every time I set on a new member of staff.  Whilst not knowing the inside and outsides of Villa's wage structure it is clear to me that the club has not shopped in the upper priced areas of the market for some time now.  Players looking at Aston Villa will base any decision on joining us on what they see today, not what the Football Club of old achieved.

We recruit sales people from our competitors, if you like a similar system to a transfer system in football. I am constantly amazed by the amount of people who at interview tell me how little support or direction they receive from their current employer and how disaffected they have become. As a business we make sure that we do what we say, if we didn't I would expect our employees to be unhappy and ultimately would expect their performance levels to drop. If some of our employees had uprooted their families and moved to new countries to join us I would like to think that we would have been true to everything we offered them when they were thinking of joining. The salary becomes irrelevant, if you are unhappy at work the chances are you will perform badly.  All the summer signings joined based on a plan that involved Tim Sherwood, they must have been happy with what they were told at the time so for that to change so quickly would most likely create a problem.

I don't know if Remi Garde is any good yet, in my opinion he hasn't had chance to prove it one way or another. I would actually say the same about Tim Sherwood/Alex McLeish as neither were given long enough to actually prove me right or wrong.  Lambert ended up staying long enough to tell me that he believed in the plan from the top which, in my opinion, makes him responsible (I would leave a job at that level if I felt my credibility was suffering due to my employers incompetence). To be fair to Sherwood, if he was good enough to be given a four year contract then he should have been good enough to recruit who he wanted.  If the current squad of players don't buy into the top down plan a manager who does will appear to lack credibility which is where I feel this squad currently sits.

So for me changing Remi Garde won't make any great difference unless the whole plan for the business changes, then again neither will keeping him.  The business needs a business plan and then needs to put in place a recruitment policy that is based around the plan and that everyone involved can understand and measure, that way the success or failure of any individual within the plan can be fairly judged.  To enable supporters to make a clear decision on whether they support the plan the plan needs to be visible.

I blame Randy Lerner, ultimately he is the person who can change things and he has proved for a long time now that he doesn't have a plan for the club.  I would not expect to have many applicants for job vacancies if my MD was trying to sell the business and if our results had declined steadily over a five year period.  Aston Villa has gone from having a squad of good/decent players with a plan (MON) to having a squad of average/poor players with no plan. The lack of a plan is a bigger problem than the quality of the players.

For the record I am a season ticket holder/away scheme member of many years standing who will not be renewing until Mr. Lerner either sells the business or gives me a reason to do so.







Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 10, 2016, 01:39:04 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 10, 2016, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 10, 2016, 12:07:44 PM
Yes you are correct as always DW. Stan went in February 58 Joe came in December of 58.  My meetings with Joe were during his time at Coventry and the only topics I recall with clarity are Stan Crowther and Dennis Mortimer.  I expect the phrase "I would not have let him go" came up and time has blurred my memory.

Mercer resigned as Sheffield United manager but had to then apply in writing for the Villa job. They did things differently in 1958.
Any idea who was his agent?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Singapore Villa on January 10, 2016, 02:45:01 PM
Quote from: loughborough villain on January 10, 2016, 01:31:50 PM
Not sure if this should have been in this thread or the Randy Lerner one but hopefully relevant either way.

The manager at Aston Villa is not the problem and hasn't been for a long time now.  Aston Villa is to us as supporters a Football Club but to the owner it is simply a business and this is where the issues lie as this business is being run very badly.  In any badly run business it is very unlikely that things can change unless the philosophy at the very top changes so unless Lerner either sells the club or publicly announces a clear revised plan for the future of the business I can't see much improving and actually expect that things will get a whole lot worse.

The business world, whilst always changing and evolving, has changed dramatically over the past ten years but one thing that generally remains constant is that successful businesses have a clear model and stated plan, currently Aston Villa have neither.

In the industry where I work traditional market leading companies have been overtaken during this time by upcoming, dynamic companies that have embraced modern practices. I have seen some very good and capable people in our industry take decent positions in some of these traditional companies only to find out that the business model makes it impossible to operate. The tradition of these companies will mean that for a period of time they will remain attractive to someone but the quality of that person gets weaker every time there is a change.  Aston Villa are an almost exact parallel of many of the traditional market leaders in my industry.

In my role if I had to recruit at 20% below the going rate for a decent employee I would be gambling almost every time I set on a new member of staff.  Whilst not knowing the inside and outsides of Villa's wage structure it is clear to me that the club has not shopped in the upper priced areas of the market for some time now.  Players looking at Aston Villa will base any decision on joining us on what they see today, not what the Football Club of old achieved.

We recruit sales people from our competitors, if you like a similar system to a transfer system in football. I am constantly amazed by the amount of people who at interview tell me how little support or direction they receive from their current employer and how disaffected they have become. As a business we make sure that we do what we say, if we didn't I would expect our employees to be unhappy and ultimately would expect their performance levels to drop. If some of our employees had uprooted their families and moved to new countries to join us I would like to think that we would have been true to everything we offered them when they were thinking of joining. The salary becomes irrelevant, if you are unhappy at work the chances are you will perform badly.  All the summer signings joined based on a plan that involved Tim Sherwood, they must have been happy with what they were told at the time so for that to change so quickly would most likely create a problem.

I don't know if Remi Garde is any good yet, in my opinion he hasn't had chance to prove it one way or another. I would actually say the same about Tim Sherwood/Alex McLeish as neither were given long enough to actually prove me right or wrong.  Lambert ended up staying long enough to tell me that he believed in the plan from the top which, in my opinion, makes him responsible (I would leave a job at that level if I felt my credibility was suffering due to my employers incompetence). To be fair to Sherwood, if he was good enough to be given a four year contract then he should have been good enough to recruit who he wanted.  If the current squad of players don't buy into the top down plan a manager who does will appear to lack credibility which is where I feel this squad currently sits.

So for me changing Remi Garde won't make any great difference unless the whole plan for the business changes, then again neither will keeping him.  The business needs a business plan and then needs to put in place a recruitment policy that is based around the plan and that everyone involved can understand and measure, that way the success or failure of any individual within the plan can be fairly judged.  To enable supporters to make a clear decision on whether they support the plan the plan needs to be visible.

I blame Randy Lerner, ultimately he is the person who can change things and he has proved for a long time now that he doesn't have a plan for the club.  I would not expect to have many applicants for job vacancies if my MD was trying to sell the business and if our results had declined steadily over a five year period.  Aston Villa has gone from having a squad of good/decent players with a plan (MON) to having a squad of average/poor players with no plan. The lack of a plan is a bigger problem than the quality of the players.

For the record I am a season ticket holder/away scheme member of many years standing who will not be renewing until Mr. Lerner either sells the business or gives me a reason to do so.









Excellent post.  I agree with the vast majority of that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 10, 2016, 03:52:53 PM
Paddy power and sky have suspended betting on Garde to go......
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on January 10, 2016, 04:11:42 PM
If he does go, I'd challenge Lerner and co. to make us look any more small time than this.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 10, 2016, 04:12:16 PM
well he could by asking TSM1 back
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 10, 2016, 04:31:31 PM
They've reopened the odds now
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2016, 04:33:05 PM
Strange.  Are they shorter than when closed?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 10, 2016, 04:35:37 PM
Anti football here we come.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: johnc on January 10, 2016, 04:40:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 10, 2016, 04:35:37 PM
Anti football here we come.
It cant be any worse than what we are watching at the moment
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 10, 2016, 04:41:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2016, 04:33:05 PM
Strange.  Are they shorter than when closed?
Didn't see what they closed on buts he now 7/2, they have LVG as number 1 to go and Garde second.
I can't see him going anywhere not yet anyway. Come end of the season I can see him walking though if this shambles continues
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on January 10, 2016, 04:44:23 PM
Sounds like Twitter shite.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 10, 2016, 04:50:01 PM
Big move from 6/1 on Friday to 7/2. Must be the tenner I laid down this morning!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on January 10, 2016, 05:21:32 PM
Get Moyes in to rebuild for next season onwards. Garde is no good.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 05:24:42 PM
I know things have been poor, but I still don't think you can make a sure judgement stating that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on January 10, 2016, 05:24:43 PM
You've not mention it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: luke95 on January 10, 2016, 05:33:42 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 10, 2016, 05:21:32 PM
Get Moyes in to rebuild for next season onwards. Garde is no good.
That is of course if Moyes wants to come to a relegated side with a possible pittance of a budget to get back up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2016, 05:35:37 PM
Quote from: luke95 on January 10, 2016, 05:33:42 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 10, 2016, 05:21:32 PM
Get Moyes in to rebuild for next season onwards. Garde is no good.
That is of course if Moyes wants to come to a relegated side with a possible pittance of a budget to get back up.

Moyes has already turned us down twice, yet people seem to think he's going to jump at the chance with us in the Championship. Really?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on January 10, 2016, 05:48:11 PM
I really hope Remi puts the stamp on Guzan and Lescott after yesterday.

I thought he was right with his treatment of Jack, but for me, this is way worse. Two so called pros acting like utter dickheads and then both telling fans to f*** off.

I'll be happy to see neither of them near the first XI ever again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 10, 2016, 05:55:40 PM
I find it laughable that people think that with the present ownership situation that proven quality managers would somehow be happy to walk on broken glass to manage us. Its just not happening. History or no history. At present Villa are a basket case.

 The episode yesterday with the players boarding the coach made us look seriously small time aswell. I go and I buy all the frustration but the anger is surely being aimed at the wrong targets. Come on replacing Benteke with Gestede!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on January 10, 2016, 06:14:53 PM
Anybody who thinks Garde should go at this stage hasn't been paying attention for the last five years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 10, 2016, 06:18:20 PM
Not that I'm even remotely suggesting it, or would welcome it, but Paul Lambert would be better suited for us in the Championship than Remi Garde. (Though he's still be utterly, utterly fucking shit).

Who we'd get next? I have no idea but I don't think Remi has the guts for a Championship cluster fuck. I also think he's making decisions just as baffling as the last two plonkers.

If Randy can't find a seller he has to shift his arse into gear and get this new chairman we were promised, followed by firing Fox out of a cannon into shark infested sewage.
We need a new board, a new manager and a serious injection of inspiration from somewhere. Remi couldn't even inspire a smile out of Gabby, even if he took him to the nearest McDonald's and bought the fat twazzock 10 happy meals. Someone said it best when they compared him to a Science teacher.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on January 10, 2016, 06:19:14 PM
Just read that about Guzan and Lescott and I now realise what a bad state of affairs exist within our 'squad'.
Is Remi getting the support from the likes of Fox and the other flunkies to deal with this arrogance and don't give a shit attitude that exists ?
Play the kids and get rid of these 'senior' players most of whom seem to be the problem as proven by their 'performances'.
Pity Guzan for instance isn't as accurate with the ball at his feet as he seems to be with his chewing gum skills.
I feel sorry for Remi and I wouldn't blame him at all for walking but we need him to stay and rid the club of this sort of crap.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2016, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 10, 2016, 06:14:53 PM
Anybody who thinks Garde should go at this stage hasn't been paying attention for the last five years.

Spot on.

Sacking him now would be the ultimate act of fucking idiocy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 06:22:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2016, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 10, 2016, 06:14:53 PM
Anybody who thinks Garde should go at this stage hasn't been paying attention for the last five years.

Spot on.

Sacking him now would be the ultimate act of fucking idiocy.

Agree completely, there seems to be this belief that a change of manager cures all. Sherwood had to go because he was a fucking idiot and poisonous with it, Garde is nothing like that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on January 10, 2016, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: supertom on January 10, 2016, 06:18:20 PM
Not that I'm even remotely suggesting it, or would welcome it, but Paul Lambert would be better suited for us in the Championship than Remi Garde. (Though he's still be utterly, utterly fucking shit).

Who we'd get next? I have no idea but I don't think Remi has the guts for a Championship cluster fuck. I also think he's making decisions just as baffling as the last two plonkers.

If Randy can't find a seller he has to shift his arse into gear and get this new chairman we were promised, followed by firing Fox out of a cannon into shark infested sewage.
We need a new board, a new manager and a serious injection of inspiration from somewhere. Remi couldn't even inspire a smile out of Gabby, even if he took him to the nearest McDonald's and bought the fat twazzock 10 happy meals. Someone said it best when they compared him to a Science teacher.

At last, a lot of sense spoken there. Garde is the worst of all the post MON managers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CJ on January 10, 2016, 06:24:26 PM
I really don't see the point in getting rid of Garde. The problem isn't going to be solved by constantly changing the manager - as the saying goes, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. The malaise is so deeply rooted throughout the club that another change of manager will achieve nothing. Things will only change when the prime cause of the mess sells up. In the meantime I would keep Garde, let him get rid of the dross, bring his own staff in, determine a way of playing and getting the players in to deliver it. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 10, 2016, 06:26:19 PM
I don't think the danger comes from the threat of the sack (at the moment) but more from the man not wanting to be caught up in this poisonous crap for much longer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 10, 2016, 06:28:57 PM
If we let Remi Garde go at this juncture it will prove nothing other than the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2016, 06:30:46 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 06:22:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2016, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 10, 2016, 06:14:53 PM
Anybody who thinks Garde should go at this stage hasn't been paying attention for the last five years.

Spot on.

Sacking him now would be the ultimate act of fucking idiocy.

Agree completely, there seems to be this belief that a change of manager cures all. Sherwood had to go because he was a fucking idiot and poisonous with it, Garde is nothing like that.

Results are the same though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 10, 2016, 06:33:41 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 10, 2016, 06:28:57 PM
If we let Remi Garde go at this juncture it will prove nothing other than the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
Or there's no point sacking him now. But I don't see us winning more than 2-3 games (if we're lucky) before May. So at that point he'd have to go. No matter his circumstances it would be inexcusable.

That being said the world and his wife know the biggest issue is those running the club. If we've got any chance of avoiding a double drop, we need a completely clean sweep from top to bottom. Fox is incompetent and if Randy doesn't care, he needs to hire a chairman who will actually want to run the club. Or by the grace of McGrath, we might get a buyer...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 10, 2016, 06:45:49 PM
Where has this idea that garde has no guts come from? Not aiming this at anyone in particular but how can anyone possibly say that about anyone else, when they know a fraction of the relevant facts?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2016, 06:47:17 PM
Think is though Supertom, the players at Lyon loved him. They thought he was an inspirational manager and someone they really wanted to play for.

I think the issues in our squad are so deep that whoever it is needs to simply be backed to do what is necessary to sort out the squad. Garde has a good reputation with young players. Give him the support to do what is necessary.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 06:53:02 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 10, 2016, 06:30:46 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 06:22:11 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2016, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 10, 2016, 06:14:53 PM
Anybody who thinks Garde should go at this stage hasn't been paying attention for the last five years.

Spot on.

Sacking him now would be the ultimate act of fucking idiocy.

Agree completely, there seems to be this belief that a change of manager cures all. Sherwood had to go because he was a fucking idiot and poisonous with it, Garde is nothing like that.

Results are the same though.

Yes they are, but he hasn't had the chance to create his own the squad. The point is sacking Sherwood made sense, because he was an idiot, but you don't sack every manager after a handful of games if they struggle.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 10, 2016, 06:54:53 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2016, 06:47:17 PM
Think is though Supertom, the players at Lyon loved him. They thought he was an inspirational manager and someone they really wanted to play for.

I think the issues in our squad are so deep that whoever it is needs to simply be backed to do what is necessary to sort out the squad. Garde has a good reputation with young players. Give him the support to do what is necessary.

Agreement from me there. We've got to start somewhere and I'd definitely give Garde a chance. He's the only one to have the balls with Gabby for a start. Theres a lot of shit on his Villa plate and it isn't going to change overnight.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 10, 2016, 06:56:05 PM
His biggest crime seems to be picking shit players. Thing is though they're all shit. Take gestede. Total cart horse, but scorer of the winning goal in our only league win of the season, and there's an argument he's still our best pick there, which is terrifying in itself. Of course there's also an argument he shouldn't be picked, which I respect, but let's keep it in perspective - it's not like we've got aguero on the bench.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 10, 2016, 06:56:39 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2016, 06:47:17 PM
Think is though Supertom, the players at Lyon loved him. They thought he was an inspirational manager and someone they really wanted to play for.

I think the issues in our squad are so deep that whoever it is needs to simply be backed to do what is necessary to sort out the squad. Garde has a good reputation with young players. Give him the support to do what is necessary.
If we start to see some improvement or some kind of progress then he'll earn a chance next season. But it needs to happen soon. I mean if he can't even win at the club, that's a lot of damage to overcome and that may leave things untenable. When Derby went down on a record low points and Jewell had taken over didn't it take him a hell of long time to win in the Championship? Sometimes you become so stained by losing at a club you can't recover. He was gone by the end of the year.

He deserves time given what he inherited, and seemingly some poisonous characters, but at the same time he's not helping himself with poor decision making.
We're down. That's a certainty but there needs to be some kind of turnaround in results. We need to regain some pride and if we get to the point it's all but mathematically certain I'd like to see him try and blood a few kids and let us play without any pressure. Give them  some experience and drop absolute toss like Bacuna who seems to be enjoying this horrifying situation too much for my liking. The sooner he drops some of the chancers we've been putting up with, the better and fans will get back onside with him a bit more. I mean how bad does Gestede have to be before he gets dropped?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 10, 2016, 07:09:13 PM
I think it makes every sense for Garde to give Gestede as much game time as he possibly can in what remains of this premier league season, given (a) his age (b) the need to expand his experience (c) the amount of money we paid for him (d) the length of his contract (e) the fact we are doomed anyway and (f) the paucity of meaningful alternatives.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 10, 2016, 07:09:50 PM
Bacuna is something else Garde has to deal with. Who in their right mind gives a guy of Bacunas, at best and with all due respect, average ability such a long contract?? Its madness as we're not competitive enough to give players such security. Its not as if we'll be trying to re negotiate with him and his agent when his deal reaches 2 years remaining is it? Farcical mis management.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on January 10, 2016, 07:11:18 PM
Houllier had exactly the same problem, getting rid of the trouble makers. We are infested from top to bottom and I have a lot of sympathy for Garde, he could not have imagined how badly run our club is and anyone who thinks another change of manager is the answer obviously does not understand the question.
Appointing a chairman is not going to help the cause because he would be powerless there is only one decision maker at the club and he lives in the states.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on January 10, 2016, 07:11:40 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 10, 2016, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: supertom on January 10, 2016, 06:18:20 PM
Not that I'm even remotely suggesting it, or would welcome it, but Paul Lambert would be better suited for us in the Championship than Remi Garde. (Though he's still be utterly, utterly fucking shit).

Who we'd get next? I have no idea but I don't think Remi has the guts for a Championship cluster fuck. I also think he's making decisions just as baffling as the last two plonkers.

If Randy can't find a seller he has to shift his arse into gear and get this new chairman we were promised, followed by firing Fox out of a cannon into shark infested sewage.
We need a new board, a new manager and a serious injection of inspiration from somewhere. Remi couldn't even inspire a smile out of Gabby, even if he took him to the nearest McDonald's and bought the fat twazzock 10 happy meals. Someone said it best when they compared him to a Science teacher.
in your opinion mate

At last, a lot of sense spoken there. Garde is the worst of all the post MON managers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 10, 2016, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: Nunkin1965 on January 10, 2016, 07:09:50 PM
Bacuna is something else Garde has to deal with. Who in their right mind gives a guy of Bacunas, at best and with all due respect, average ability such a long contract?? Its madness as we're not competitive enough to give players such security. Its not as if we'll be trying to re negotiate with him and his agent when his deal reaches 2 years remaining is it? Farcical mis management.
Bacuna seems to be able to fuck up 5 yard passes with almost sadistic glee and ease.
I'm pretty sure our academy can bring through a kid who can see and pass to, a team mate five yards away.
McGrath willing N'Zogbia will leave this month and then Bacuna can take his place in the stiffs.

I honestly don't understand the use of Bacuna. He's a utility player but all he is really is someone who is as painfully shit in every position as another. He's awful and he finds it all far too amusing and relaxing. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 10, 2016, 07:17:19 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on January 10, 2016, 07:11:40 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on January 10, 2016, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: supertom on January 10, 2016, 06:18:20 PM
Not that I'm even remotely suggesting it, or would welcome it, but Paul Lambert would be better suited for us in the Championship than Remi Garde. (Though he's still be utterly, utterly fucking shit).

Who we'd get next? I have no idea but I don't think Remi has the guts for a Championship cluster fuck. I also think he's making decisions just as baffling as the last two plonkers.

If Randy can't find a seller he has to shift his arse into gear and get this new chairman we were promised, followed by firing Fox out of a cannon into shark infested sewage.
We need a new board, a new manager and a serious injection of inspiration from somewhere. Remi couldn't even inspire a smile out of Gabby, even if he took him to the nearest McDonald's and bought the fat twazzock 10 happy meals. Someone said it best when they compared him to a Science teacher.
in your opinion mate

At last, a lot of sense spoken there. Garde is the worst of all the post MON managers.

Garde is the first manager to grasp the Gabby issue which will do for me. He's the first to have the balls to say "Not good enough son". I say fair play to him for that and if thats how he's going to handle things he deserves a chance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 10, 2016, 07:24:49 PM
Yet he persists with Gestede. The Gabby thing is more about attitude and conduct as it is about ability. Gabby thinks he's King Shit down there and Garde is the first manager to call him on it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on January 10, 2016, 07:53:36 PM
It's a results business, and Garde hasn't even got close to a win. He deserves to go for continually picking a fence post as Centre Forward.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 07:56:19 PM
No he doesn't, he deserves a chance to build a proper squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on January 10, 2016, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 07:56:19 PM
No he doesn't, he deserves a chance to build a proper squad.
Well said that man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on January 10, 2016, 08:05:52 PM
I don't think I want him gone, just yet.
But he has done very little to show he is upto the job.

He may conduct himself better than Sherwood, but that's not difficult. I think though, even Sherwood would have scraped a win or 10 in the last games.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on January 10, 2016, 08:11:56 PM
Quote from: Ian J on January 10, 2016, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 07:56:19 PM
No he doesn't, he deserves a chance to build a proper squad.
Well said that man.

Indeed
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AndyB6 on January 10, 2016, 08:16:31 PM
Garde needs two windows to try and shape his own squad. He has inherited the poorest squad / side out of all Villa managers in the modern era. The squad / team O'Neill inherited was a million times better than the present lot :-/
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2016, 08:31:27 PM
One thing I don't get is that we frequently hear people say it is the buying of inexperienced young French players which is the problem, yet if you look at the players most frequently listed as being at fault here, it isn't the young French players at all - Guzan, Lescott, Bacuna, Richards, Richardson,Clark, Westwood, Gabby etc - these aren't the recent purchases.

The only one of the recently purchased who looks like a huge waste of money is Gestede, and he is not young or an import from the French league.

The problem is, he was replacing the player we most needed to replace well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 10, 2016, 08:05:52 PM
I don't think I want him gone, just yet.
But he has done very little to show he is upto the job.

He may conduct himself better than Sherwood, but that's not difficult. I think though, even Sherwood would have scraped a win or 10 in the last games.



Not sure why you think that, he failed to win in his last 9 league games with us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 10, 2016, 08:39:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 10, 2016, 08:05:52 PM
I don't think I want him gone, just yet.
But he has done very little to show he is upto the job.

He may conduct himself better than Sherwood, but that's not difficult. I think though, even Sherwood would have scraped a win or 10 in the last games.



Not sure why you think that, he failed to win in his last 9 league games with us.

Not to say Sherwood is better but to be fair to him I think we looked more likely to win some of those games. Gardes Villa looks tactically smarter but confidence wise just shot to hell.

What makes me extra sad is I really beleive Garde will be gone by the end of the season. Thats a shame because I would like to see what he can do over some time. Sadly I think he will walk/get axed and replaced with some British/Irish plodder who "understands the Championship".

God help us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 10, 2016, 09:00:45 PM
I mentioned it on here a while ago that in interview Garde referred to issues he was aware of at the club before he took the job, and once here "discovered" a few more which he wasn't aware of but obviously felt needed dealing with. Not actually knowing any "facts" but reading between the lines, I should imagine one of the issues he has found is the attitude of some key players - Gabby? etc - and another for me would be the poor quality of some of the playing staff. We all know that these problems have been there for the last 4/5 seasons, yet Garde seems to be the only one who has started to address them - Gabby/N'Zogbia.
At present he can only work with what he's got. I should imagine he would love to clear out the vast majority of them and start with players who have a desire to succeed personally and for the club that employs them and pays them well, but contracts work two ways and players will hang on until something better comes along, regardless of sentiment/loyalty etc. see Delph. F.
I genuinely think Garde wants to do well here and has the backing of those upstairs to do so, but knows his hands are tied by a poor squad ( & their contracts), especially the senior pro's; the media and our (fans') expectations.
(His frustration pitchside and in interview are obvious...he wants to change things but is restricted by the squad/conditions he has inherited.) 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: auntiesledd on January 10, 2016, 09:05:26 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 10, 2016, 08:39:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 08:32:46 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 10, 2016, 08:05:52 PM
I don't think I want him gone, just yet.
But he has done very little to show he is upto the job.

He may conduct himself better than Sherwood, but that's not difficult. I think though, even Sherwood would have scraped a win or 10 in the last games.



Not sure why you think that, he failed to win in his last 9 league games with us.

Not to say Sherwood is better but to be fair to him I think we looked more likely to win some of those games. Gardes Villa looks tactically smarter but confidence wise just shot to hell.

What makes me extra sad is I really beleive Garde will be gone by the end of the season. Thats a shame because I would like to see what he can do over some time. Sadly I think he will walk/get axed and replaced with some British/Irish plodder who "understands the Championship".

God help us.

I'm not sure whether the confidence was totally shot at the end of Sherwood's 'reign' or soon after Garde started, but I certainly think that it's been coming for a while now. I too believe that Remi won't be given the opportunity to rebuild the squad - be it through him walking or being relieved of his duties - and I have no faith in the abilities of the powers-that-be to finally make the correct appointment(s) from here or overseas. The exit of Lerner & Co is probably the only way our club is ever going to move on from these shite times, so all I can do is echo your parting line of "God Help us".    :(
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 10, 2016, 09:14:20 PM
Indeed, some divine intervention would be helpful right about now   ;D
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on January 10, 2016, 09:15:51 PM
I can't imagine Garde still being here in August other than pure bloodymindness from Lerner. Even shite managers experience the temporary "new boss bounce". Garde isn't shite imo, but we needed someone in who could motivate them and get a bit of confidence in them. He's done none of that. You can't polish a turd but crikey there's div1 sides who would be putting on a better show of staying up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 10, 2016, 09:21:27 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2016, 08:31:27 PM
One thing I don't get is that we frequently hear people say it is the buying of inexperienced young French players which is the problem, yet if you look at the players most frequently listed as being at fault here, it isn't the young French players at all - Guzan, Lescott, Bacuna, Richards, Richardson,Clark, Westwood, Gabby etc - these aren't the recent purchases.

The only one of the recently purchased who looks like a huge waste of money is Gestede, and he is not young or an import from the French league.

The problem is, he was replacing the player we most needed to replace well.
The thought crossed my mind today whether Garde was sticking with the "speak English only" policy and whether that could be the issue to some degree. But like you've pointed out, the French (Gestede aside) and the Spanish players do not seem to be the focus of people's ire.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on January 10, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
I like Garde, I do, but he's done nothing so far to earn the chance to manage us next season. Over time he may change it round, but he's not going to get long enough. If we're lucky he'll get us, what 3 or 4 wins between now and the end of the season. And, poor though this squad is, atrociously poor, thats just not good enough. It'd be something like 3/4 wins out of 20+ games? No manager can survive with that win rate.

Don't forget, once we're down, the majority of the squad will still be here. The Bacunas, the Sinclairs, the Westwoods, the Clarkes are going nowhere I'm afraid. No-one in the PL will touch them, and no-one in the Championship will pay their wages. Grade (or whoever) might tweak round the edges, but the core will remain I'm afraid. Can't see us writing off contracts either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on January 10, 2016, 09:32:40 PM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on January 10, 2016, 09:28:00 PM
I like Garde, I do, but he's done nothing so far to earn the chance to manage us next season. Over time he may change it round, but he's not going to get long enough. If we're lucky he'll get us, what 3 or 4 wins between now and the end of the season. And, poor though this squad is, atrociously poor, thats just not good enough. It'd be something like 3/4 wins out of 20+ games? No manager can survive with that win rate.

Don't forget, once we're down, the majority of the squad will still be here. The Bacunas, the Sinclairs, the Westwoods, the Clarkes are going nowhere I'm afraid. No-one in the PL will touch them, and no-one in the Championship will pay their wages. Grade (or whoever) might tweak round the edges, but the core will remain I'm afraid. Can't see us writing off contracts either.


yep. common sense dictates a good half of them will be expected to launch a promotion challenge. They're not playing for him now, so why will they be arsed come August?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: auntiesledd on January 10, 2016, 09:38:13 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 10, 2016, 09:14:20 PM
Indeed, some divine intervention would be helpful right about now   ;D

Ha, ain't that the truth! :)

Actually,  we could put an SOS out to any extraterrestrials whist we're at it: friendly or otherwise. I've had it with these stinking-rich-&-useless earthlings buggering up the Villa.

#prayingforthealiens
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 10, 2016, 09:39:10 PM
Quote from: auntiesledd on January 10, 2016, 09:05:26 PM
Edited to avoid quotathon:

I'm not sure whether the confidence was totally shot at the end of Sherwood's 'reign' or soon after Garde started, but I certainly think that it's been coming for a while now. I too believe that Remi won't be given the opportunity to rebuild the squad - be it through him walking or being relieved of his duties - and I have no faith in the abilities of the powers-that-be to finally make the correct appointment(s) from here or overseas. The exit of Lerner & Co is probably the only way our club is ever going to move on from these shite times, so all I can do is echo your parting line of "God Help us".    :(

I think it was pretty close to rock bottom by the time Sherwood left, not helped by the apparently split dressing room.

What finally pushed it through the floor was failing to convert decent positions and pressure against Watford and West Ham.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: auntiesledd on January 10, 2016, 09:51:20 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 10, 2016, 09:39:10 PM
Quote from: auntiesledd on January 10, 2016, 09:05:26 PM
Edited to avoid quotathon:

I'm not sure whether the confidence was totally shot at the end of Sherwood's 'reign' or soon after Garde started, but I certainly think that it's been coming for a while now. I too believe that Remi won't be given the opportunity to rebuild the squad - be it through him walking or being relieved of his duties - and I have no faith in the abilities of the powers-that-be to finally make the correct appointment(s) from here or overseas. The exit of Lerner & Co is probably the only way our club is ever going to move on from these shite times, so all I can do is echo your parting line of "God Help us".    :(

I think it was pretty close to rock bottom by the time Sherwood left, not helped by the apparently split dressing room.

What finally pushed it through the floor was failing to convert decent positions and pressure against Watford and West Ham.

You're probably right on all counts, ViD. Garde didn't really stand a chance from day one, the job was fecked.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on January 10, 2016, 09:57:49 PM
his record is shot, he cant pick a team, he has lost the dressing room already, he is to all intent and purpose Harvey Oswald. Lerner killed the Villa
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 10, 2016, 10:00:38 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 10, 2016, 09:57:49 PM
his record is shot, he cant pick a team, he has lost the dressing room already, he is to all intent and purpose Harvey Oswald. Lerner killed the Villa

Not sure your analogy works, but I don't think we can fairly judge Garde yet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on January 10, 2016, 10:00:52 PM
I wonder, if you could do it tomorrow, would you bring in Moyes or stick with Garde?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on January 10, 2016, 10:03:06 PM
Quote from: Newby on January 10, 2016, 10:00:52 PM
I wonder, if you could do it tomorrow, would you bring in Moyes or stick with Garde?

I'd bring in Moyes with Steve Round and Chris Woods to work with him. (Hopefully Woods can replace Guzan).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: levico on January 10, 2016, 10:05:28 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 10, 2016, 09:57:49 PM
his record is shot, he cant pick a team, he has lost the dressing room already, he is to all intent and purpose Harvey Oswald. Lerner killed the Villa

Where's Jack Ruby when you need him?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on January 10, 2016, 10:10:47 PM
Perhaps it's time for a poll? Keep him, sack him, he will walk, what difference will it make whilst Randy reigns? Etc.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Herman on January 10, 2016, 10:17:19 PM
Quote from: levico on January 10, 2016, 10:05:28 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 10, 2016, 09:57:49 PM
his record is shot, he cant pick a team, he has lost the dressing room already, he is to all intent and purpose Harvey Oswald. Lerner killed the Villa

Where's Jack Ruby when you need him?

Very good
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 10, 2016, 10:35:12 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on January 10, 2016, 10:03:06 PM
Quote from: Newby on January 10, 2016, 10:00:52 PM
I wonder, if you could do it tomorrow, would you bring in Moyes or stick with Garde?

I'd bring in Moyes with Steve Round and Chris Woods to work with him. (Hopefully Woods can replace Guzan).

Are we playing fantasy football manager again?

Alright I'm going for Clough and Taylor to be brought in to turn It around because there more chance of them appearing at VP doing it than Moyes. He's already turned us down at least twice.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2016, 10:47:57 PM
According to John Percy in the Torygraph, Fox and Almstadt are flying out to New York to see Lerner and ask for money for signings.

Honestly, if this conversation is only happening now, on January the fucking 10th, then what on earth do these people think has been happening for the last five months?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2016, 11:05:14 PM
I would love to be able to listen to that conversation.

If Lerner had any balls he would say "you are coming to me now?!" Fire the pair of them come over and run it for a few weeks while appointing a football focused boardroom.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on January 10, 2016, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2016, 10:47:57 PM
According to John Percy in the Torygraph, Fox and Almstadt are flying out to New York to see Lerner and ask for money for signings.

Honestly, if this conversation is only happening now, on January the fucking 10th, then what on earth do these people think has been happening for the last five months?

What I fail to understand is why they have to go to Lerner for dosh when Aston Villa is a business and should have its own pots of identified money for transfers. Is the club so badly operated that they a) have to ask for some pocket money every time a transfer window comes around and b) they have only just got around to asking for it now, on what will be the 11th January. I think this story is BS.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on January 10, 2016, 11:09:38 PM
Oh, and another thing, does the club not have Skype facilities or a suitable telephone? They are probably bringing the cash back in a bag. Mind you, a bag full of 50 princes is heavy, no wonder two of them are going!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2016, 11:14:48 PM
As I said on the transfer thread, use the fucking phone. You could buy a Bowery with all the flight costs to New York, or is Randy sending the jet? Farcical.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 10, 2016, 11:21:54 PM
You can ask for money over the phone. I imagine it's a lot more serious than that. It could very well be that Garde has given them an ultimatum on transfer dealings or on the overall situation, or they might be considering another change anyway. I don't think they need to fly across the world to ask for a few more million.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on January 10, 2016, 11:23:01 PM
The word 'shambles' doesn't even come close does it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on January 10, 2016, 11:23:16 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 10, 2016, 10:47:57 PM
According to John Percy in the Torygraph, Fox and Almstadt are flying out to New York to see Lerner and ask for money for signings.

Honestly, if this conversation is only happening now, on January the fucking 10th, then what on earth do these people think has been happening for the last five months?

I'd be surprised if it was just that more that the players and the actual amounts have been identified and it may be more than lerner had already sanctioned. They are probably going to see if they can squeeze that little more out of him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on January 10, 2016, 11:29:32 PM
If I was Garde I'd be packing my bags and getting the next Mega Bus to The Dordogne
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
Or Garde is serious about cancelling a few contracts and they need Lerner to give the green light. 
Or they think we need another change and Garde is out. 
Or they are planning for inevitable relegation and the aftermath (no forget that, that would require some forethought).

Could be any of these but I'd seriously doubt even we'd be so unprepared as to be having to fly across the Atlantic to beg for transfer funds on the 11th January though.

But it's Villa kicking season in the media so whatever makes us look more incompetent makes better copy - it's not like they risk Lerner cutting the media off is it.  They've bought all this on themselves.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 10, 2016, 11:35:23 PM
We employed Alex Mcleish after courting Martinez.
We gave Lambert another contract.
We gave Gabby another contract.
We had a period of virtually no coaches or help for the manager at the club.
We let nob head Keane use us as a publicity stunt.
We had bullying taking place at the club.
We hired Sherwood from a shortlist of 1.

I wouldn't put anything past the lot of them, including being unprepared.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 10, 2016, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
Or Garde is serious about cancelling a few contracts and they need Lerner to give the green light. 
Or they think we need another change and Garde is out. 
Or they are planning for inevitable relegation and the aftermath (no forget that, that would require some forethought).

Could be any of these but I'd seriously doubt even we'd be so unprepared as to be having to fly across the Atlantic to beg for transfer funds on the 11th January though.

But it's Villa kicking season in the media so whatever makes us look more incompetent makes better copy - it's not like they risk Lerner cutting the media off is it.  They've bought all this on themselves.



Yep, it's not about asking for more funds. There would be way more to it than that. The board haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, but I don't think they are just starting transfer discussions two weeks into the window. If fact last month Garde was already talking about the window and strengthening. I doubt he was only discussion that with his wife and the bloke in the mirror.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 10, 2016, 11:40:26 PM
Quote from: levico on January 10, 2016, 10:05:28 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 10, 2016, 09:57:49 PM
his record is shot, he cant pick a team, he has lost the dressing room already, he is to all intent and purpose Harvey Oswald. Lerner killed the Villa
Where's Jack Ruby when you need him?
Careful now at this rate we will need cancer to strike next!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Fasth56 on January 10, 2016, 11:53:16 PM
Does anyone else find it strange that once the signal was given to Kozak to get ready to come on Richards suddenly developed a life threatening injury prior to which he didn't seem to be suffering.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 10, 2016, 11:57:49 PM
Quote from: Newby on January 10, 2016, 11:09:38 PM
Oh, and another thing, does the club not have Skype facilities or a suitable telephone? They are probably bringing the cash back in a bag. Mind you, a bag full of 50 princes is heavy, no wonder two of them are going!

They all have to go to the bank manager at mbna dressed in nice suits to apply to open a Junior Savings Accounr and a Player Improvement Loan.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 11, 2016, 12:01:20 AM
If we sack Garde now it will confirm my belief that we are the new Leeda United and should be taken over by a corn magnate forthwith.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 11, 2016, 12:05:58 AM
Quote from: Fasth56 on January 10, 2016, 11:53:16 PM
Does anyone else find it strange that once the signal was given to Kozak to get ready to come on Richards suddenly developed a life threatening injury prior to which he didn't seem to be suffering.
No. That is a top of the pile conspiracy post.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 11, 2016, 12:10:59 AM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10125996/remi-garde-could-look-to-sports-psychologist-for-help-to-end-aston-villa-run
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Fasth56 on January 11, 2016, 12:11:49 AM
Quote from: olaftab on January 11, 2016, 12:05:58 AM
Quote from: Fasth56 on January 10, 2016, 11:53:16 PM
Does anyone else find it strange that once the signal was given to Kozak to get ready to come on Richards suddenly developed a life threatening injury prior to which he didn't seem to be suffering.
No. That is a top of the pile conspiracy post.

It may be top of the pile but it is unexplainable, why get the player ready to come on and then Richards decides he has to come off. This is more to do with Richards than Garde though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 11, 2016, 12:12:43 AM
Don't be led by the braindead, lazy fu*kers in the media!
Some of them reported Richards' conversation with the fans as "a confrontation", "blow up", "set to", when he actually came out to talk in a reasonable way to the fans.
The twats will distort anything/everything to create a headline...the story that follows is usually a lot of hot air over fu*k all.



Two AVFC personnel boarding a plane to NY.
Advising Obama on gun law?
Solving the Middle East crisis?
Plotting Putin's assassination?
Plotting Randolph Lerner's assassination?
Discussing the future of AVFC and their 5 year plan?
Chatting about the new shirt sponsorship deal?
Having a few beers and pretzels with the boys and seeing who can piss the highest up the wall?


The rumour-mongers usually know less than we do!
We'll see what happens when it happens.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on January 11, 2016, 12:53:33 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 10, 2016, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
Or Garde is serious about cancelling a few contracts and they need Lerner to give the green light. 
Or they think we need another change and Garde is out. 
Or they are planning for inevitable relegation and the aftermath (no forget that, that would require some forethought).

Could be any of these but I'd seriously doubt even we'd be so unprepared as to be having to fly across the Atlantic to beg for transfer funds on the 11th January though.

But it's Villa kicking season in the media so whatever makes us look more incompetent makes better copy - it's not like they risk Lerner cutting the media off is it.  They've bought all this on themselves.



Yep, it's not about asking for more funds. There would be way more to it than that. The board haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, but I don't think they are just starting transfer discussions two weeks into the window. If fact last month Garde was already talking about the window and strengthening. I doubt he was only discussion that with his wife and the bloke in the mirror.

The Torygraph article mentioned above written by John Percy argues otherwise TV.

Chief executive and sporting director are heading for New York to ask for funds to strengthen the team following latest humiliation (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12091882/Aston-Villa-executives-fly-out-for-crisis-talks-with-Randy-Lerner-after-Wycombe-embarrassment.html).

Here is a photo from the article, which I find quite sad.

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03545/remi-garde2_3545459b.jpg)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2016, 01:25:41 AM
Unless John Percy has been told by a club executive that they are going to NY to ask for funds it's all supposition. He doesn't know for sure, and the fact that we haven't signed anyone gives that particular angle additional validity. It's doesn't however make it any more accurate. I am sure transfer activity would be on the agenda but you don't need to go to NY for a face to face meeting with the owner to ask for money. Phone, Skype, Video conference etc etc. There's more to the meeting than just transfer funds.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on January 11, 2016, 01:35:15 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2016, 01:25:41 AM
Unless John Percy has been told by a club executive that they are going to NY to ask for funds it's all supposition. He doesn't know for sure, and the fact that we haven't signed anyone gives that particular angle additional validity. It's doesn't however make it any more accurate. I am sure transfer activity would be on the agenda but you don't need to go to NY for a face to face meeting with the owner to ask for money. Phone, Skype, Video conference etc etc. There's more to the meeting than just transfer funds.

You may well be right, but I imagine Mr. Percy whose reputation and livelihood depends on his reporting, has a contact or two. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on January 11, 2016, 01:38:19 AM
They are going over to sort out the details of Remi's departure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 11, 2016, 02:11:32 AM
Quote from: adrenachrome on January 11, 2016, 12:53:33 AM

Here is a photo from the article, which I find quite sad.

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03545/remi-garde2_3545459b.jpg)

Me as well if they were abusing him but we have no idea what those fans are saying. The camera does lie. The man could be saying "Never a penalty, we were robbed!" for example. You never know.

Anyway I really really want Remi to succeed. I just have no idea how he can now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 11, 2016, 05:17:48 AM
can you really blame people for getting irate after the last five years? If you haven't secured a win in ten games I think you would be pretty stupid to think fans are not going to vent their frustration
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 08:04:59 AM
Quote from: adrenachrome on January 11, 2016, 12:53:33 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 10, 2016, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
Or Garde is serious about cancelling a few contracts and they need Lerner to give the green light. 
Or they think we need another change and Garde is out. 
Or they are planning for inevitable relegation and the aftermath (no forget that, that would require some forethought).

Could be any of these but I'd seriously doubt even we'd be so unprepared as to be having to fly across the Atlantic to beg for transfer funds on the 11th January though.

But it's Villa kicking season in the media so whatever makes us look more incompetent makes better copy - it's not like they risk Lerner cutting the media off is it.  They've bought all this on themselves.



Yep, it's not about asking for more funds. There would be way more to it than that. The board haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, but I don't think they are just starting transfer discussions two weeks into the window. If fact last month Garde was already talking about the window and strengthening. I doubt he was only discussion that with his wife and the bloke in the mirror.

The Torygraph article mentioned above written by John Percy argues otherwise TV.

Chief executive and sporting director are heading for New York to ask for funds to strengthen the team following latest humiliation (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12091882/Aston-Villa-executives-fly-out-for-crisis-talks-with-Randy-Lerner-after-Wycombe-embarrassment.html).

Here is a photo from the article, which I find quite sad.

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03545/remi-garde2_3545459b.jpg)

That doesn't look great.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 08:06:10 AM
Also I can completely understand why Garde is getting frustrated at being judged on the players that were signed before he joined. He has an absolutely shocking squad to work with.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 11, 2016, 08:12:16 AM
My guess is that the meeting is to get Randy Lerner's approval to the night of the long knives Remi Garde wants to have.

It is not about bringing players in, it is about shipping them out.   Remi does not want another bomb squad, he wants a clear out and it will cost money.  If Randy prevaricates or tries to compromise on a budget clear out I think Remi Garde will tender his resignation there in New York.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 08:17:44 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 11, 2016, 08:12:16 AM
My guess is that the meeting is to get Randy Lerner's approval to the night of the long knives Remi Garde wants to have.

It is not about bringing players in, it is about shipping them out.   Remi does not want another bomb squad, he wants a clear out and it will cost money.  If Randy prevaricates or tries to compromise on a budget clear out I think Remi Garde will tender his resignation there in New York.

Quite possibly and it's that sort of action that is required now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldtimernow on January 11, 2016, 08:26:20 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
Or Garde is serious about cancelling a few contracts and they need Lerner to give the green light. 
Or they think we need another change and Garde is out. 
Or they are planning for inevitable relegation and the aftermath (no forget that, that would require some forethought).

Could be any of these but I'd seriously doubt even we'd be so unprepared as to be having to fly across the Atlantic to beg for transfer funds on the 11th January though.

But it's Villa kicking season in the media so whatever makes us look more incompetent makes better copy - it's not like they risk Lerner cutting the media off is it.  They've bought all this on themselves.




Transatlantic flights usually start to get cheaper after the 10th of January or even Avios?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 11, 2016, 08:26:27 AM
I think so. It is a back me or sack me meeting.  Tom Fox has every reason to be nervous too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on January 11, 2016, 08:29:46 AM
If that is the case Brian and Paul, fair play to Remi for sticking to his guns. These are not his players, they don't seem to want to play for him, so give him the right support and get rid of them, but allow him to bring his own players in. Or, Remi walks and we hit the F5 button again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2016, 08:37:38 AM
If Garde was to walk, I reckon it might be for the level of abuse if anything. It's not something he should have to put up with.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on January 11, 2016, 08:45:28 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2016, 08:37:38 AM
If Garde was to walk, I reckon it might be for the level of abuse if anything. It's not something he should have to put up with.

That would be a real low. I really don't understand the abuse towards Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 08:46:00 AM
Quote from: TheMalandro on January 11, 2016, 08:45:28 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2016, 08:37:38 AM
If Garde was to walk, I reckon it might be for the level of abuse if anything. It's not something he should have to put up with.

That would be a real low. I really don't understand the abuse towards Garde.


Nope neither do, I think it's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MarkM on January 11, 2016, 08:47:29 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 08:46:00 AM
Quote from: TheMalandro on January 11, 2016, 08:45:28 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2016, 08:37:38 AM
If Garde was to walk, I reckon it might be for the level of abuse if anything. It's not something he should have to put up with.

That would be a real low. I really don't understand the abuse towards Garde.


Nope neither do, I think it's ridiculous.

If he can't even get this team up to put in a good performance against a 4th Division side he deserves to get some abuse!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 11, 2016, 08:47:41 AM
I agree Clampy.  Without being patronising to fans you would expect a man who carries himself and communicates with dignity like Remi Garde does to get less common abuse.  I don't think he is one of the elephant skinned, through the car window quote type managers and will make that clear to the owner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 11, 2016, 08:48:02 AM
I actually don't think in that picture they were shouting at Garde, they are not looking at him but seemingly out to the pitch.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 11, 2016, 08:52:29 AM
Nobody, you, me, the manager, the players "deserve" abuse.  They deserve criticism of whatever intensity is appropriate but abusing anybody for any reason is, apart from anything else unlawful.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Laurence on January 11, 2016, 09:00:45 AM
This, aside from times of genuine personal lows, is perhaps the bluest Monday morning ever Villa and non Villa related. 

I can't bear to look at the aggro footage from the weekend, all I can say is that I stand behind Remi Garde, he has my respect, he's taken on a huge job, and every time I hear him speak my respect for him grows.  All we can do as decent fans is do our best to show that at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Scott Nielsen on January 11, 2016, 09:02:44 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 11, 2016, 08:12:16 AM
My guess is that the meeting is to get Randy Lerner's approval to the night of the long knives Remi Garde wants to have.

It is not about bringing players in, it is about shipping them out.   Remi does not want another bomb squad, he wants a clear out and it will cost money.  If Randy prevaricates or tries to compromise on a budget clear out I think Remi Garde will tender his resignation there in New York.

Is there anything at all to indicate this would be Garde's intention for the meeting? I'd be happy if it were so but I think it's wishful thinking. Surely it's much more likely they'll discuss potential recruits and what it might take to get them (though I admit this could well be wishful thinking too - hah!).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 11, 2016, 09:35:51 AM
Scott, over the last five years we have had to develop Bletchley Park levels of forensic rune reading where Villa are concerned. The comments about the players Remi wants to come but who have been put off by team performances, spliced with his comments about players not doing what he tells them, together with him saying the players deserve the fans' criticism indicate to me that he regards the cutting out the rot in the squad as his first priority.

If you are going to do heart transplant surgery first you have to cut out the old one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 11, 2016, 10:08:54 AM
Quote
“To win games we have to have 11 players playing at 110 per cent and this is not the case at the moment. Every game the opponents are running more than us.”

Can we end the nonsense that it's not the players fault at all, they're trying, they are just shit. When a manager comes out and says the players are playing for themselves and not putting the effort in then you know something is really wrong in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on January 11, 2016, 10:15:50 AM
Some of them try and are shit
Some of them try and are decent
Some of them don't try and as a result they are shit
Some of them don't try and this is incidental as they are shit.

The very fact that collectively they are unable to follow what are instructions, not penned or promulgated by Tolstoy or Einstein, means there must be a schism in the squad.

Time for a total clear out. Frustratingly some that get binned may go on to have good careers not with us, though many will disappear into oblivion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 11, 2016, 10:16:41 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 11, 2016, 10:08:54 AM
Quote
“To win games we have to have 11 players playing at 110 per cent and this is not the case at the moment. Every game the opponents are running more than us.”

Can we end the nonsense that it's not the players fault at all, they're trying, they are just shit. When a manager comes out and says the players are playing for themselves and not putting the effort in then you know something is really wrong in the dressing room.

Exactly. When Gestede just stopped running at one point when the ball was crossed in, I actually felt embarrassed for him. They're not putting a shift in, and in the case of that pair of twats Guzan and Lescott, they just don't care.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 10:17:15 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 11, 2016, 08:37:38 AM
If Garde was to walk, I reckon it might be for the level of abuse if anything. It's not something he should have to put up with.

If he does walk it will show that he doesn't have the stomach for a fight. Better to establish that now, when we are just playing out a written off season, rather than wait until we're playing in the Championship. Not that I think he will walk.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: nick harper on January 11, 2016, 10:21:31 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 11, 2016, 10:08:54 AM
Quote
“To win games we have to have 11 players playing at 110 per cent and this is not the case at the moment. Every game the opponents are running more than us.”

Can we end the nonsense that it's not the players fault at all, they're trying, they are just shit. When a manager comes out and says the players are playing for themselves and not putting the effort in then you know something is really wrong in the dressing room.

I don't think I've ever seen a manager make a comment quite so damning about his own players. We are utterly broken, from the dressing room to the boardroom.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 11, 2016, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 11, 2016, 10:16:41 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 11, 2016, 10:08:54 AM
Quote
“To win games we have to have 11 players playing at 110 per cent and this is not the case at the moment. Every game the opponents are running more than us.”

Can we end the nonsense that it's not the players fault at all, they're trying, they are just shit. When a manager comes out and says the players are playing for themselves and not putting the effort in then you know something is really wrong in the dressing room.

Exactly. When Gestede just stopped running at one point when the ball was crossed in, I actually felt embarrassed for him. They're not putting a shift in, and in the case of that pair of twats Guzan and Lescott, they just don't care.

Lescott purports to be a Villa fan. I know of no Villa fan who would be able to sit watching us struggle against Wycombe, on a club record run without defeats, whilst laughing like a little school girl. Where is his passion for the club? Where is his personal pride? It's one last pay check on what he though was going to be the easiest of streets for him, no expectations, barrow boy of a manager, fans downbeat, no hierarchy who cares, a nice earner. He wasn't expecting this at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 11, 2016, 10:23:16 AM
Quote from: nick harper on January 11, 2016, 10:21:31 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 11, 2016, 10:08:54 AM
Quote
“To win games we have to have 11 players playing at 110 per cent and this is not the case at the moment. Every game the opponents are running more than us.”

Can we end the nonsense that it's not the players fault at all, they're trying, they are just shit. When a manager comes out and says the players are playing for themselves and not putting the effort in then you know something is really wrong in the dressing room.

I don't think I've ever seen a manager make a comment quite so damning about his own players. We are utterly broken, from the dressing room to the boardroom.

I know he started quite well, but Idrissa Gueye has 100% not been putting in the hard yards the last couple of months. I don't think he wants to be here at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 11, 2016, 10:23:42 AM
Quote from: Laurence on January 11, 2016, 09:00:45 AM
This, aside from times of genuine personal lows, is perhaps the bluest Monday morning ever Villa and non Villa related. 


Yes, it's a awful day for Villa fans of Bowie. It's days like this you wonder why you bother about it so much but then you realize you've been in so deep for so many years it's in your blood, like it or not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on January 11, 2016, 10:26:40 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 10, 2016, 11:14:48 PM
As I said on the transfer thread, use the fucking phone. You could buy a Bowery with all the flight costs to New York, or is Randy sending the jet? Farcical.

Right on. The blundering starts at the very top.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on January 11, 2016, 10:29:28 AM
Quote from: adrenachrome on January 11, 2016, 12:53:33 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 10, 2016, 11:37:38 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 10, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
Or Garde is serious about cancelling a few contracts and they need Lerner to give the green light. 
Or they think we need another change and Garde is out. 
Or they are planning for inevitable relegation and the aftermath (no forget that, that would require some forethought).

Could be any of these but I'd seriously doubt even we'd be so unprepared as to be having to fly across the Atlantic to beg for transfer funds on the 11th January though.

But it's Villa kicking season in the media so whatever makes us look more incompetent makes better copy - it's not like they risk Lerner cutting the media off is it.  They've bought all this on themselves.



Yep, it's not about asking for more funds. There would be way more to it than that. The board haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, but I don't think they are just starting transfer discussions two weeks into the window. If fact last month Garde was already talking about the window and strengthening. I doubt he was only discussion that with his wife and the bloke in the mirror.

The Torygraph article mentioned above written by John Percy argues otherwise TV.

Chief executive and sporting director are heading for New York to ask for funds to strengthen the team following latest humiliation (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12091882/Aston-Villa-executives-fly-out-for-crisis-talks-with-Randy-Lerner-after-Wycombe-embarrassment.html).

Here is a photo from the article, which I find quite sad.

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03545/remi-garde2_3545459b.jpg)

Yes, I also found that photo sad. It must be extremely difficult for him and he's done nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 11, 2016, 10:43:49 AM
I hope to god that you are correct Brian, because there are a number of players who need to be culled, I think you and me have already agreed on the ring leader, Richards and I think ably assisted by the likes of Guzan, Lescott, Gabby,Greilish if his attitude to being a professional footballer does not change sharpish there is obviously an issue of attitude with Kozak, Charlie fashion sense is harmless enough, just a leech on the clubs finance and then we get to the ones that are just not good enough, big turnover and even bigger investment to replace, I think Lerner will take the easy option and let Remi go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
1 thing is for sure, Garde is not to blame for this mess
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
1 thing is for sure, Garde is not to blame for this mess

Exactly, people need way way more patience with Garde given the utter shambles he's come into.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on January 11, 2016, 11:12:10 AM
I suspect that it's just the case of people being thoroughly demoralised by non stop poor results venting frustrations at the first target that comes into view. Garde can take it I think - he's a strong character and has talked a few times about staying here in the long term.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on January 11, 2016, 11:13:51 AM
He doesn't sound like someone about to quit. From his press conference this morning, tweeted by @AVFCOfficial:

Rémi Garde: It is predictable in our situation that people get angry against everybody. We have to cope - and find the solution. #AVFC

Rémi Garde: When you have players who have been suffering for weeks or years, they could be helped by new players. #AVFC

Rémi Garde: I knew the job would be difficult. But I love the job. I have no regrets coming here. #AVFC

Rémi Garde: My target is to try and help the club get through this very bad period. I am doing my best. #AVFC

Rémi Garde: We are going to try and put the same intensity into this @CPFC game as we did against @whufc_official.

Rémi Garde: In the @whufc_official game, I felt something special between the team and the fans. We need the same feeling this week. #AVFC

Rémi Garde: @CPFC are doing well. They have a lot of confidence. It will be a tough game. But there will be a possibility to win. #AVFC
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Olof's Beard on January 11, 2016, 11:23:33 AM
He is write to cite the West Ham game. Even though on paper it looked like our least important game over the Christmas period, it turned out to be the most important. We had got a bit of momentum going in the 2nd half at Newcastle, and the players carried that into the West Ham and produced what was comfortably their most complete performance of the season. Nobody played badly that day, which is extremely rare, and the likes of Gestede, Lescott and Sanchez before he went off were having their best game of the season.

But there's a big problem. That was definitely the best we played all season and possibly the best this team is capable of playing at all. Yet we still didn't win. In amongst all that, Garde made arguably the most costly tactical mistake of his tenure when Sanchez went off. He moved Westwood back into Sanchez's role, kept Veretout inside and stuck Gil out on the right. Their left back scored within five minutes after Hutton was left exposed, and Gil was moved inside with Veretout going out wide, providing much more effective cover in the process.

Usually such a small detail would mean nothing in the context of a whole season, but in our desperate position, it was enough to cost us a goal, a win, possibly more points in the two games that followed and possibly wasted our last chance. But given that was the best this team can do, they rarely muster more than 1 goal in a match and ALWAYS make at least four or five chronic errors that lead to goal and gilt-edged chances, you have to feel sorry for him. He is on a hiding to nothing. I just don't know whether he will be able to survive his association with this. Fans come in all types, and plenty will see it as his fault. Remember the (slightly embarrassing) fan interviews when he was appointed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:26:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
1 thing is for sure, Garde is not to blame for this mess

Exactly, people need way way more patience with Garde given the utter shambles he's come into.

There's no sign of improvement whatsoever though. If we had improved from being absolutely shit under Sherwood to merely being rubbish under Garde, I'd cut him some slack and have a little patience. But we've just laboured to a 1-1 draw against a side over 50 positions lower than us in the league. Not sure who's fault that is? Sherwoods? O'Neill's? It really is difficult to remain patient at the moment. 
   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 11:32:26 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:26:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
1 thing is for sure, Garde is not to blame for this mess

Exactly, people need way way more patience with Garde given the utter shambles he's come into.

There's no sign of improvement whatsoever though. If we had improved from being absolutely shit under Sherwood to merely being rubbish under Garde, I'd cut him some slack and have a little patience. But we've just laboured to a 1-1 draw against a side over 50 positions lower than us in the league. Not sure who's fault that is? Sherwoods? O'Neill's? It really is difficult to remain patient at the moment. 
   

Well yeah but that happens, and we didn't start our two best players in that game either. Swansea lost to a League 2 team as well, that can happen in the cup.

I'm not saying performances have been good enough, but I don't think a dozen or so games is enough time to come into the utter shambles that is our club and turn it around. I know people say Sherwood got a bounce, but it wasn't for very long and he had better players to achieve that with. Garde needs his own players and a lot more time than he's had.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on January 11, 2016, 11:33:02 AM
Maybe not on the pitch but he is sorting things out behind the scenes. The treatment of Grealish was correct: he needed disciplining not pandering to as the previous boss did; the realisation that Gabby Agbonlahor is not that good has been a realisation far too late; his desire to get rid of the bad eggs in the squad is a good thing.
You'd have hoped for better results, but our fate looks inevitable so whilst we're in the mess we are in it's best to sort some of the manageable problems out in the meantime.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:42:05 AM
Sorry, but "sorting things out behind the scenes" sounds awfully like Tom Fox and his "look beyond the results" nonsense. Means nothing if we're as bad as ever in front of the scenes.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 11, 2016, 11:46:03 AM
To the 'Garde's got no guts' lot - whatever the agenda for this trip is, I get the impression he's the first manager since Houllier to try and tackle a decade+ long problem to do with player attitudes and culture at villa. And Houllier did it from the a position where he was a respected football elder and where he also had big players in the team who were his signings and loyal to him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 11, 2016, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:42:05 AM
Sorry, but "sorting things out behind the scenes" sounds awfully like Tom Fox and his "look beyond the results" nonsense. Means nothing if we're as bad as ever in front of the scenes.



Do you not accept that what's in front of the scenes is a direct result of what's behind the scenes?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on January 11, 2016, 11:51:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
1 thing is for sure, Garde is not to blame for this mess

Exactly, people need way way more patience with Garde given the utter shambles he's come into.

Regardless I would give him the rest of the year 2016, a proper (summer) transfer windows and as long as we are sitting within striking range of play offs / promotion then he should carry on.

Another change of manager is an exercise in futility.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on January 11, 2016, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:42:05 AM
Sorry, but "sorting things out behind the scenes" sounds awfully like Tom Fox and his "look beyond the results" nonsense. Means nothing if we're as bad as ever in front of the scenes.

I hate whats happening on the pitch but as themossman says, get things right as a club and it gets better on the pitch. Or should do in theory. I'm more saying that I think Remi Garde is doing some good despite our results continuing to be bad than I think we should ignore the results. The results are more painful than anything else of course, but if there's a mess it needs sorting.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: themossman on January 11, 2016, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:42:05 AM
Sorry, but "sorting things out behind the scenes" sounds awfully like Tom Fox and his "look beyond the results" nonsense. Means nothing if we're as bad as ever in front of the scenes.



Do you not accept that what's in front of the scenes is a direct result of what's behind the scenes?

Of course. So tell me how Garde's behind the scenes activity has resulted in improved performances. I'd have expected a few signs of this after 12 games or whatever he's had. It looks to me, as an outsider, that he's currently managing a more fractious dressing room than the one he inherited. It's not all his fault, but I'm not confident that he'll get us promoted next season. Which is the only thing that matters to Villa. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 11:56:38 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: themossman on January 11, 2016, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:42:05 AM
Sorry, but "sorting things out behind the scenes" sounds awfully like Tom Fox and his "look beyond the results" nonsense. Means nothing if we're as bad as ever in front of the scenes.



Do you not accept that what's in front of the scenes is a direct result of what's behind the scenes?

Of course. So tell me how Garde's behind the scenes activity has resulted in improved performances. I'd have expected a few signs of this after 12 games or whatever he's had. It looks to me, as an outsider, that he's currently managing a more fractious dressing room than the one he inherited. It's not all his fault, but I'm not confident that he'll get us promoted next season. Which is the only thing that matters to Villa. 

I'll say one that is a clear improvement, under Sherwood our two best players were marginalised and weren't playing. At least Ayew and Veretout are now key members of the first team and are performing well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 11, 2016, 11:58:36 AM
Quote from: themossman on January 11, 2016, 11:46:03 AM
To the 'Garde's got no guts' lot - whatever the agenda for this trip is, I get the impression he's the first manager since Houllier to try and tackle a decade+ long problem to do with player attitudes and culture at villa. And Houllier did it from the a position where he was a respected football elder and where he also had big players in the team who were his signings and loyal to him.

Houllier got so much stick from the fans compared to Lambert and Sherwood. Even McLeish got an easier ride apart from the very end.

I wasn't a huge fan of Houllier, indeed I think his season is a bit more generously remember than it actually was as we were dire for large parts with a much better team and squad than we do now.

However if we knew what the next 5 years would bring, I along with many others would've been more patient and understanding I'm sure.

It's odd with Garde. I'm unconvinced with what he's producing results wise (not so much this season but my gut feeling is he won't win 25 games in the championship next season) but I'm fully behind what he's doing with the squad e.g. calling out long serving members who should know better like Gabby, Guzan, Lescott, Jack etc.

It's been long needed. Gabby won't play for us again under this manager imo (although he might get luck again and outlast Garde if he only moves on loan this window) and Jack has been made to sweat getting back in the team so you'd hope he'll learn know to dedicate himself a bit more professionally.

These are Villa boys who would've been indulged under previous manager so I'm happy with that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 11, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
Why  are we assuming that Garde , in that picture, was getting abused? May be supporters were telling him to get rid of the  bunch of non triers we had on the pitch?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Karl Bridges on January 11, 2016, 11:59:43 AM
Quote from: Fasth56 on January 11, 2016, 12:11:49 AM
Quote from: olaftab on January 11, 2016, 12:05:58 AM
Quote from: Fasth56 on January 10, 2016, 11:53:16 PM
Does anyone else find it strange that once the signal was given to Kozak to get ready to come on Richards suddenly developed a life threatening injury prior to which he didn't seem to be suffering.
No. That is a top of the pile conspiracy post.

It may be top of the pile but it is unexplainable, why get the player ready to come on and then Richards decides he has to come off. This is more to do with Richards than Garde though.

He was blatantly suffering with it. He slowed down considerably after taking the blow to the ankle when scoring and we were less effective down that side of the pitch. Just seems he  played on until he couldn't any more.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 11, 2016, 12:05:06 PM
I half agree Chico. If he can't get his plans to improve the performances on the pitch significantly by the start of next season then maybe that outweighs any long term benefits he's trying to create. I also hoped when he joined that we'd be watching noticeably better displays, with the results to reflect that, by now. That his tactical abilities would have a degree of instant impact in games (encouraged by the Man City game).

But, I also feel we may be facing a choice between necessary short term pain and keeping things afloat with more short term solutions. TS was the ultimate short term thinking. Gave us a bounce, got the players fired up, kept us in the league. But it's now apparent that this was at the expense of taking us three steps back as far as dysfunctional dressing rooms and clueless players and bad attitudes go. It may be that at the point RG was appointed there was a TS type appointment that would have kept us up this year (Pearson?) but would that have been the best thing for us?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on January 11, 2016, 12:13:19 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 11, 2016, 11:46:03 AM
To the 'Garde's got no guts' lot - whatever the agenda for this trip is, I get the impression he's the first manager since Houllier to try and tackle a decade+ long problem to do with player attitudes and culture at villa. And Houllier did it from the a position where he was a respected football elder and where he also had big players in the team who were his signings and loyal to him.

I think that we also have to accept that the Premier League has moved on a lot since the likes of Houllier managed in it and Garde played in it.  The game is awash with money and that seems to be the only thing that some of these players think about.  Graham Taylor, in his second bash at managing the club said as much.  He was taken by surprise about how much the game had moved on, hence him standing down.  He might be flogging a dead horse in trying to change that sort of mentality. However, I would like him to succeed.  I wasn't over-enamoured with the appointment but would like to see what he can do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2016, 12:13:28 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:26:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
1 thing is for sure, Garde is not to blame for this mess

Exactly, people need way way more patience with Garde given the utter shambles he's come into.

There's no sign of improvement whatsoever though. If we had improved from being absolutely shit under Sherwood to merely being rubbish under Garde, I'd cut him some slack and have a little patience. But we've just laboured to a 1-1 draw against a side over 50 positions lower than us in the league. Not sure who's fault that is? Sherwoods? O'Neill's? It really is difficult to remain patient at the moment. 
   

I don't disagree, we appointed Sherwood who shouldn't have been appointed, we've now appinted a man who has no experience of the league, and probably shouldn't have been appointed but I wouldn't have wanted Pearson either. We've a lot of dead wood that needs to be moved on and Garde isn't a god, In fact In think God himself (although he doesn't exist) couldn't keep this shower up
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2016, 12:16:39 PM
Quote from: olaftab on January 11, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
Why  are we assuming that Garde , in that picture, was getting abused? May be supporters were telling him to get rid of the  bunch of non triers we had on the pitch?

Do you really believe that? I've heard him suffer dogs abuse. All this abuse is too far and illegal. Just because someone earns good money it doesn't give you the right to abuse them
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on January 11, 2016, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on January 11, 2016, 11:33:02 AM
Maybe not on the pitch but he is sorting things out behind the scenes. The treatment of Grealish was correct: he needed disciplining not pandering to as the previous boss did; the realisation that Gabby Agbonlahor is not that good has been a realisation far too late; his desire to get rid of the bad eggs in the squad is a good thing.
You'd have hoped for better results, but our fate looks inevitable so whilst we're in the mess we are in it's best to sort some of the manageable problems out in the meantime.
I'm not sure he's 'sorting things out behind the scenes'.
The treatment of Grealish may have been correct in your opinion, but it doesn't appear to have made him knuckle down and come back more determined to prove himself. In my opinion,a talented, promising youngster looks like he has been made an example of and has subsequently dipped even further in form.
In the meantime, senior players appear to pissing about on the bench and getting into altercations with fans.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 11, 2016, 12:17:12 PM
Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on January 11, 2016, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:42:05 AM
Sorry, but "sorting things out behind the scenes" sounds awfully like Tom Fox and his "look beyond the results" nonsense. Means nothing if we're as bad as ever in front of the scenes.

I hate whats happening on the pitch but as themossman says, get things right as a club and it gets better on the pitch. Or should do in theory. I'm more saying that I think Remi Garde is doing some good despite our results continuing to be bad than I think we should ignore the results. The results are more painful than anything else of course, but if there's a mess it needs sorting.

To continue the theatrical theme, what we've been getting the last few years has been poor productions with flimsy props and shabby stage dressings, whilst a series of artistic directors of limited abilities and in some case temperaments have struggled to control a bunch of actors who for the most part appear to have been paid far too much in relation to their abilities.

On the plus side one of the former artistic directors was good box office for the press, but seemed more concerned with the moto the only bad publicity is no publicity. On the negative side he proved to be incapable of finding any coherent performances from his cast with castings that appeared to have been put together by Jackson Pollock wearing a welders mask in a darkened room

There's a couple of former leading lights who still hang around the place, but these days they're more like pantomime dames, which doesn't really help much when you're trying to persuade the cast that they should be looking at performing A Midsummer Night's Dream instead of one of the great tragedies such as Macbeth or King Lear.

The new artistic director is apparently not very happy with most of the assembled cast and has taken on the responsibility of pretty much building up the acting crew from scratch whilst trying to fit in renovating the entire theatre infrastructure and dealing with a promoter who's new to the business and an impresario who appears to be related in some way to Howard Hughes.

Personally I have a feeling the January performance will be Much Ado About Nothing and the season finale is a toss up between The Divine Comedy or Love's Labour's Lost.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 11, 2016, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 11, 2016, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on January 11, 2016, 11:33:02 AM
Maybe not on the pitch but he is sorting things out behind the scenes. The treatment of Grealish was correct: he needed disciplining not pandering to as the previous boss did; the realisation that Gabby Agbonlahor is not that good has been a realisation far too late; his desire to get rid of the bad eggs in the squad is a good thing.
You'd have hoped for better results, but our fate looks inevitable so whilst we're in the mess we are in it's best to sort some of the manageable problems out in the meantime.
I'm not sure he's 'sorting things out behind the scenes'.
The treatment of Grealish may have been correct in your opinion, but it doesn't appear to have made him knuckle down and come back more determined to prove himself. In my opinion,a talented, promising youngster looks like he has been made an example of and has subsequently dipped even further in form.
In the meantime, senior players appear to pissing about on the bench and getting into altercations with fans.



1. Grealish is still young enough to possibly respond to that kind of punishment. If he can't recognise the wake up call then that's on him, not Garde.  Sherwood blowing smoke up his arse hadn't exactly got him performing like the next great hope either.

2. Let's see what happens with Guzan and Lescott before jumping on him for that
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mattjpa on January 11, 2016, 12:24:03 PM
We are down, I think everyone knows that. The worst thing this club could do would be get rid/allow Garde to leave. We would have to go through the pain of the last 12wks all over again. The frsh start bollocks quotes from the squad, a few games giving CNZ another chance, Gabby having his obligatory 2 good games and getting back in the side, The seemingly never ending search for a CB pairing that works, the realisation that we have no confidence and no leaders, the pass the parcel with the captains armband etc...
In my opinion Garde will now know who he wants to keep and who he wants to bring in. He will know who is going to fight for the cause and ultimately who just plain isnt good enough. He is obviously looking at the youth set up and is also looking at psycologists and fitness experts. We have a unique opportunity in that we can plan for the championship with half a season and two transfer windows to prepare. Lets not do a 'Villa' for once and f**k it up because were all angry and looking for a scapegoat.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 11, 2016, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 11, 2016, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on January 11, 2016, 11:33:02 AM
Maybe not on the pitch but he is sorting things out behind the scenes. The treatment of Grealish was correct: he needed disciplining not pandering to as the previous boss did; the realisation that Gabby Agbonlahor is not that good has been a realisation far too late; his desire to get rid of the bad eggs in the squad is a good thing.
You'd have hoped for better results, but our fate looks inevitable so whilst we're in the mess we are in it's best to sort some of the manageable problems out in the meantime.
I'm not sure he's 'sorting things out behind the scenes'.
The treatment of Grealish may have been correct in your opinion, but it doesn't appear to have made him knuckle down and come back more determined to prove himself. In my opinion,a talented, promising youngster looks like he has been made an example of and has subsequently dipped even further in form.
In the meantime, senior players appear to pissing about on the bench and getting into altercations with fans.

That is a concern if true.  Would suggest a lack of discipline if true and I can't imagine that happening under managers we have had in the past.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 11, 2016, 12:30:15 PM
Agree 100% with VID. Grealish isn't ten years old. If he's sulking because he got called out or because his favourite teacher Mr Sherwood got sacked, and this is leading to his crap performances - despite his obvious talent and supposed loyalty to the cause - then that's entirely on him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on January 11, 2016, 12:31:06 PM
Again it could show more about the players than it does the manager. I'm really not saying that he's come in and set the world alight - I just don't think he's done diabolically (as odd as that sounds looking at the results) since coming in. Or to put it another way I have more faith that he can get it right than I had faith that Sherwood would, and I prefer him in charge to Lambert and McLeish.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on January 11, 2016, 12:33:13 PM
Looking at that list of managers, we've been truly blessed in recent years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 11, 2016, 12:35:56 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 11, 2016, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 11, 2016, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on January 11, 2016, 11:33:02 AM
Maybe not on the pitch but he is sorting things out behind the scenes. The treatment of Grealish was correct: he needed disciplining not pandering to as the previous boss did; the realisation that Gabby Agbonlahor is not that good has been a realisation far too late; his desire to get rid of the bad eggs in the squad is a good thing.
You'd have hoped for better results, but our fate looks inevitable so whilst we're in the mess we are in it's best to sort some of the manageable problems out in the meantime.
I'm not sure he's 'sorting things out behind the scenes'.
The treatment of Grealish may have been correct in your opinion, but it doesn't appear to have made him knuckle down and come back more determined to prove himself. In my opinion,a talented, promising youngster looks like he has been made an example of and has subsequently dipped even further in form.
In the meantime, senior players appear to pissing about on the bench and getting into altercations with fans.

That is a concern if true.  Would suggest a lack of discipline if true and I can't imagine that happening under managers we have had in the past.

I can imagine it happening under every manager we've had during the last 14 years. Even under MON we had player discipline/attitude issues but he relied on his total authority and strength of personality to keep it manageable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on January 11, 2016, 12:48:33 PM
Quote from: Karl Bridges on January 11, 2016, 11:59:43 AM
Quote from: Fasth56 on January 11, 2016, 12:11:49 AM
Quote from: olaftab on January 11, 2016, 12:05:58 AM
Quote from: Fasth56 on January 10, 2016, 11:53:16 PM
Does anyone else find it strange that once the signal was given to Kozak to get ready to come on Richards suddenly developed a life threatening injury prior to which he didn't seem to be suffering.
No. That is a top of the pile conspiracy post.

It may be top of the pile but it is unexplainable, why get the player ready to come on and then Richards decides he has to come off. This is more to do with Richards than Garde though.

He was blatantly suffering with it. He slowed down considerably after taking the blow to the ankle when scoring and we were less effective down that side of the pitch. Just seems he  played on until he couldn't any more.

I noticed that , he was bombing down the right until he scored and took a knock after he eased back and look noticeably in discomfort when moving.We lost momentum from this especially as on the opposite side Richardson is hopeless going forward
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 11, 2016, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:26:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
1 thing is for sure, Garde is not to blame for this mess

Exactly, people need way way more patience with Garde given the utter shambles he's come into.

There's no sign of improvement whatsoever though. If we had improved from being absolutely shit under Sherwood to merely being rubbish under Garde, I'd cut him some slack and have a little patience. But we've just laboured to a 1-1 draw against a side over 50 positions lower than us in the league. Not sure who's fault that is? Sherwoods? O'Neill's? It really is difficult to remain patient at the moment. 
 

The quotes from the Wycombe manager were fairly damning, saying it was impossible to scout Villa as Garde used different players and a different formation every week.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 11, 2016, 01:39:41 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 11, 2016, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:26:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
1 thing is for sure, Garde is not to blame for this mess

Exactly, people need way way more patience with Garde given the utter shambles he's come into.

There's no sign of improvement whatsoever though. If we had improved from being absolutely shit under Sherwood to merely being rubbish under Garde, I'd cut him some slack and have a little patience. But we've just laboured to a 1-1 draw against a side over 50 positions lower than us in the league. Not sure who's fault that is? Sherwoods? O'Neill's? It really is difficult to remain patient at the moment. 
 

The quotes from the Wycombe manager were fairly damning, saying it was impossible to scout Villa as Garde used different players and a different formation every week.

Maybe he's at the point we were at a few months ago, thinking the players weren't that bad surely, drop him try so and so, they're ok aren't they? Then they play and you see how shit they are as well and you're back to square one and start trying to think outside the box and doing something crazy like playing Bacuna behind the forwards or something because everyone is half arsed and shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: castlefields_villan on January 11, 2016, 01:41:00 PM
Did Remi almost lose his temper on Saturday - I'm sure I saw him going to throw a water bottle on the floor in frustration - perhaps this is what we need - after TS he does seem a tad placid !
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 11, 2016, 01:47:50 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2016, 12:48:33 PM

I noticed that , he was bombing down the right until he scored and took a knock after he eased back and look noticeably in discomfort when moving.We lost momentum from this especially as on the opposite side Richardson is hopeless going forward

I've still no idea why he picked Richardson on Saturday.  He recalls Cissokho from loan because we're so poor at left back, then instead of giving Cissokho a run out in a supposedly easy game to gain some understanding with the rest of the defence, he reverts to Richardson who is dire at every facet of the game.  I don't advocate getting rid of Garde at all, but he's got to start showing his worth.  People are saying that he's sorting things out, but what things exactly?

We don't have anything like a settled team or formation.  I wasn't expecting to suddenly go on a 6 match winning spree, but the odd clean sheet or win is surely not beyond the realms of possibility.  And while I acknowledge how poor the squad is, he needs to at least work out what the least shit team is.  Carrying on with Gestede for example, but then not picking a team to provide any crosses is just idiocy, he just doesn't add anything else to the team whatsoever. 

It's all looking a bit "emperor's new clothes" to me at the moment.  He's clearly an intelligent, articulate bloke, but what use is that if he can't translate that into an improvement on what Sherwood offered?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 11, 2016, 01:49:19 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 11, 2016, 12:35:56 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 11, 2016, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 11, 2016, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on January 11, 2016, 11:33:02 AM
Maybe not on the pitch but he is sorting things out behind the scenes. The treatment of Grealish was correct: he needed disciplining not pandering to as the previous boss did; the realisation that Gabby Agbonlahor is not that good has been a realisation far too late; his desire to get rid of the bad eggs in the squad is a good thing.
You'd have hoped for better results, but our fate looks inevitable so whilst we're in the mess we are in it's best to sort some of the manageable problems out in the meantime.
I'm not sure he's 'sorting things out behind the scenes'.
The treatment of Grealish may have been correct in your opinion, but it doesn't appear to have made him knuckle down and come back more determined to prove himself. In my opinion,a talented, promising youngster looks like he has been made an example of and has subsequently dipped even further in form.
In the meantime, senior players appear to pissing about on the bench and getting into altercations with fans.

That is a concern if true.  Would suggest a lack of discipline if true and I can't imagine that happening under managers we have had in the past.

I can imagine it happening under every manager we've had during the last 14 years. Even under MON we had player discipline/attitude issues but he relied on his total authority and strength of personality to keep it manageable.

Agree somewhat, but I think the bit in bold is key.  Little things here and there are suggesting that noone at the club is managing to keep poor discipline and slack attitudes manageable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 11, 2016, 01:50:31 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 11, 2016, 01:49:19 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 11, 2016, 12:35:56 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 11, 2016, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 11, 2016, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on January 11, 2016, 11:33:02 AM
Maybe not on the pitch but he is sorting things out behind the scenes. The treatment of Grealish was correct: he needed disciplining not pandering to as the previous boss did; the realisation that Gabby Agbonlahor is not that good has been a realisation far too late; his desire to get rid of the bad eggs in the squad is a good thing.
You'd have hoped for better results, but our fate looks inevitable so whilst we're in the mess we are in it's best to sort some of the manageable problems out in the meantime.
I'm not sure he's 'sorting things out behind the scenes'.
The treatment of Grealish may have been correct in your opinion, but it doesn't appear to have made him knuckle down and come back more determined to prove himself. In my opinion,a talented, promising youngster looks like he has been made an example of and has subsequently dipped even further in form.
In the meantime, senior players appear to pissing about on the bench and getting into altercations with fans.

That is a concern if true.  Would suggest a lack of discipline if true and I can't imagine that happening under managers we have had in the past.

I can imagine it happening under every manager we've had during the last 14 years. Even under MON we had player discipline/attitude issues but he relied on his total authority and strength of personality to keep it manageable.

Agree somewhat, but I think the bit in bold is key.  Little things here and there are suggesting that noone at the club is managing to keep poor discipline and slack attitudes manageable.

That sounds about right to me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 11, 2016, 01:52:24 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 11, 2016, 10:21:51 AM
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“To win games we have to have 11 players playing at 110 per cent and this is not the case at the moment. Every game the opponents are running more than us.”

Can we end the nonsense that it's not the players fault at all, they're trying, they are just shit. When a manager comes out and says the players are playing for themselves and not putting the effort in then you know something is really wrong in the dressing room.

Exactly. When Gestede just stopped running at one point when the ball was crossed in, I actually felt embarrassed for him. They're not putting a shift in, and in the case of that pair of twats Guzan and Lescott, they just don't care.

Lescott purports to be a Villa fan. I know of no Villa fan who would be able to sit watching us struggle against Wycombe, on a club record run without defeats, whilst laughing like a little school girl. Where is his passion for the club? Where is his personal pride? It's one last pay check on what he though was going to be the easiest of streets for him, no expectations, barrow boy of a manager, fans downbeat, no hierarchy who cares, a nice earner. He wasn't expecting this at all.

I have always had my doubts about his support for Villa.  His maniacle celebrations of goals against us being a case in point.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 11, 2016, 01:55:59 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 11, 2016, 01:47:50 PM
I've still no idea why he picked Richardson on Saturday.  He recalls Cissokho from loan because we're so poor at left back, then instead of giving Cissokho a run out in a supposedly easy game to gain some understanding with the rest of the defence, he reverts to Richardson who is dire at every facet of the game.

The only justification I can think of is maybe after nearly a year without playing much first team football he thought three matches in ten days might be a bit much for him.

If it's not that, then I fully agree.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on January 11, 2016, 01:57:16 PM
I have just watched Remi's pre Palace match interview on AVTV.
You really do have to give him some credit for his attitude, his demeanour and his approach.
He really does come across as a man with integrity.

But I can't help feeling that the bloke already looks a bit 'washed out'.
I also can't help the feeling that it seems he has been left to face the music, while others appear to be happy for him to do so.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 11, 2016, 02:02:30 PM
Re Lescott being one of us - what bollocks. I refer you to him giving it large in front of the Holte after scoring, and swinging his shirt around in front of us at Goodison.

If he'd been getting stick I could understand it, but he hadn't.

Wanker.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: postal on January 11, 2016, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 11, 2016, 01:57:16 PM
But I can't help feeling that the bloke already looks a bit 'washed out'.

Sherwood aged quite quickly, I guess the job will do that to you.

I do feel for Garde. He must be bemused why they cant do simple things, but he also picks Gestade, so....
I'd rather see Gil or Grealish partner Ayew up front than pick Gestade.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: croatian on January 11, 2016, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 11, 2016, 12:17:12 PM
Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on January 11, 2016, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:42:05 AM
Sorry, but "sorting things out behind the scenes" sounds awfully like Tom Fox and his "look beyond the results" nonsense. Means nothing if we're as bad as ever in front of the scenes.

I hate whats happening on the pitch but as themossman says, get things right as a club and it gets better on the pitch. Or should do in theory. I'm more saying that I think Remi Garde is doing some good despite our results continuing to be bad than I think we should ignore the results. The results are more painful than anything else of course, but if there's a mess it needs sorting.

To continue the theatrical theme, what we've been getting the last few years has been poor productions with flimsy props and shabby stage dressings, whilst a series of artistic directors of limited abilities and in some case temperaments have struggled to control a bunch of actors who for the most part appear to have been paid far too much in relation to their abilities.

On the plus side one of the former artistic directors was good box office for the press, but seemed more concerned with the moto the only bad publicity is no publicity. On the negative side he proved to be incapable of finding any coherent performances from his cast with castings that appeared to have been put together by Jackson Pollock wearing a welders mask in a darkened room

There's a couple of former leading lights who still hang around the place, but these days they're more like pantomime dames, which doesn't really help much when you're trying to persuade the cast that they should be looking at performing A Midsummer Night's Dream instead of one of the great tragedies such as Macbeth or King Lear.

The new artistic director is apparently not very happy with most of the assembled cast and has taken on the responsibility of pretty much building up the acting crew from scratch whilst trying to fit in renovating the entire theatre infrastructure and dealing with a promoter who's new to the business and an impresario who appears to be related in some way to Howard Hughes.

Personally I have a feeling the January performance will be Much Ado About Nothing and the season finale is a toss up between The Divine Comedy or Love's Labour's Lost.
Tusen tak Denmark,
Entertaining read, very aposite.
In the same vein, as I'm obviously not a theatrical type, all I can think of is Sid James, Charles Hawtry, Hattie Jacques and Carry on up the Khyber........
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 02:31:27 PM
If Garde can get rid of the rotten core of the squad that'll do for me. I don't expect results, because this has been coming for years. I don't care who had come in as manager they would have had no chance. Garde is at least showing the strength of character to take on people like Gabby. This club needs a tremendous amount of work and I don't think the results will change without sufficient ground work. I think Garde is trying to change the whole culture of the squad, and good luck to him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 11, 2016, 03:02:16 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 11, 2016, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 11, 2016, 11:26:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2016, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on January 11, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
1 thing is for sure, Garde is not to blame for this mess

Exactly, people need way way more patience with Garde given the utter shambles he's come into.

There's no sign of improvement whatsoever though. If we had improved from being absolutely shit under Sherwood to merely being rubbish under Garde, I'd cut him some slack and have a little patience. But we've just laboured to a 1-1 draw against a side over 50 positions lower than us in the league. Not sure who's fault that is? Sherwoods? O'Neill's? It really is difficult to remain patient at the moment. 
 

The quotes from the Wycombe manager were fairly damning, saying it was impossible to scout Villa as Garde used different players and a different formation every week.

It's spooky the amount of parallels between Garde and Sherwood, considering they are chalk and cheese, e.g. the constant changing of formations and talk of players not taking instructions. Both things suggest problems with the players. Respectively, that we just don't have the quality for 11 players in their favoured positions to get us results (which is actually an insane position to be in), and that as a group they have zero football intelligence.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 11, 2016, 04:29:58 PM
I think the explanation for the parallels between Sherwood's and Garde's malfunctions is that each had/has loyalty only from part of the squad. Sherwood's first picks (and KMac's) were the good old muckers, Garde can probably count the number of players loyal to him in the squad on the fingers of one hand.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2016, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 11, 2016, 11:46:03 AM
To the 'Garde's got no guts' lot - whatever the agenda for this trip is, I get the impression he's the first manager since Houllier to try and tackle a decade+ long problem to do with player attitudes and culture at villa. And Houllier did it from the a position where he was a respected football elder and where he also had big players in the team who were his signings and loyal to him.

And one of his biggest influences is... Gerrard Houllier. You have to think he's hard a word with Houllier who has told him point blank the issues at the club. Tackle them head on and we might fix this mess. Skirt around it and it remain forever. I'm also Robert Duverne has also shared his views, so it's not a shock that Gabby is persona non grata.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 11, 2016, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2016, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 11, 2016, 11:46:03 AM
To the 'Garde's got no guts' lot - whatever the agenda for this trip is, I get the impression he's the first manager since Houllier to try and tackle a decade+ long problem to do with player attitudes and culture at villa. And Houllier did it from the a position where he was a respected football elder and where he also had big players in the team who were his signings and loyal to him.

And one of his biggest influences is... Gerrard Houllier. You have to think he's hard a word with Houllier who has told him point blank the issues at the club. Tackle them head on and we might fix this mess. Skirt around it and it remain forever. I'm also Robert Duverne has also shared his views, so it's not a shock that Gabby is persona non grata.

Houllier's already in employment and is not exactly popular in B6, but he is exactly the type of person we could do with at the club in a position above Garde.  In fact with there already being a connection between the two, I couldn't think of many better people really.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 11, 2016, 04:46:45 PM
We might also have an internal bunch of saboteurs, who like when Houllier  was here, didn't liked his approach. Sometimes it feels like the mistakes are done on purpose, and they hope they can get rid of Garde by this performance. Cut the head of the snake (Gabby?) and sell him asap - maybe the others will stop thinking they are in control of the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Adam Gittins on January 11, 2016, 05:17:54 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on January 11, 2016, 04:46:45 PM
We might also have an internal bunch of saboteurs, who like when Houllier  was here, didn't liked his approach. Sometimes it feels like the mistakes are done on purpose, and they hope they can get rid of Garde by this performance. Cut the head of the snake (Gabby?) and sell him asap - maybe the others will stop thinking they are in control of the club.

Considering the team Kevin MacDonald picked when he had chance, and the previous issues with coaches under Lambert, I wonder quite how deep this runs. Certainly further than the playing staff I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 11, 2016, 05:26:43 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 11, 2016, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2016, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 11, 2016, 11:46:03 AM
To the 'Garde's got no guts' lot - whatever the agenda for this trip is, I get the impression he's the first manager since Houllier to try and tackle a decade+ long problem to do with player attitudes and culture at villa. And Houllier did it from the a position where he was a respected football elder and where he also had big players in the team who were his signings and loyal to him.

And one of his biggest influences is... Gerrard Houllier. You have to think he's hard a word with Houllier who has told him point blank the issues at the club. Tackle them head on and we might fix this mess. Skirt around it and it remain forever. I'm also Robert Duverne has also shared his views, so it's not a shock that Gabby is persona non grata.

Houllier's already in employment and is not exactly popular in B6, but he is exactly the type of person we could do with at the club in a position above Garde.  In fact with there already being a connection between the two, I couldn't think of many better people really.

I could. Go and have a look at who Houllier bought for Liverpool, his transfer record is shocking.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 11, 2016, 05:38:40 PM
Remi Garde is the only one I feel for in this whole sorry mess (besides us the fans). Apart from some strange team selections at times, I don't think he's had much of a chance.... Mourinho would struggle with these wankers, both on a pitch and board level.

A man of integrity that seems as bemused as us as to how a professional football team, with numerous INTERNATIONAL players, can only win 1 football match in almost 6 months. If I was in his shoes, I'd say fuck it, and do a MON and be on a plane back to France!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on January 11, 2016, 06:39:07 PM
Is there a link to Remi asking for a statement from RL?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Caribbeanvillan on January 11, 2016, 06:45:25 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-owner-randy-lerner-10714733
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jockey Randall on January 11, 2016, 06:59:06 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 11, 2016, 05:26:43 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 11, 2016, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2016, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 11, 2016, 11:46:03 AM
To the 'Garde's got no guts' lot - whatever the agenda for this trip is, I get the impression he's the first manager since Houllier to try and tackle a decade+ long problem to do with player attitudes and culture at villa. And Houllier did it from the a position where he was a respected football elder and where he also had big players in the team who were his signings and loyal to him.

And one of his biggest influences is... Gerrard Houllier. You have to think he's hard a word with Houllier who has told him point blank the issues at the club. Tackle them head on and we might fix this mess. Skirt around it and it remain forever. I'm also Robert Duverne has also shared his views, so it's not a shock that Gabby is persona non grata.

Houllier's already in employment and is not exactly popular in B6, but he is exactly the type of person we could do with at the club in a position above Garde.  In fact with there already being a connection between the two, I couldn't think of many better people really.

I could. Go and have a look at who Houllier bought for Liverpool, his transfer record is shocking.

I think that's a bit harsh. He bought some decent defenders/midfielders. Hyypia, Babbel, Hamann, McAllister, Riise, even Henchoz did well for him. He definitely had a mare with the big money forward thinking players though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 11, 2016, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: Jockey Randall on January 11, 2016, 06:59:06 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 11, 2016, 05:26:43 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 11, 2016, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2016, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: themossman on January 11, 2016, 11:46:03 AM
To the 'Garde's got no guts' lot - whatever the agenda for this trip is, I get the impression he's the first manager since Houllier to try and tackle a decade+ long problem to do with player attitudes and culture at villa. And Houllier did it from the a position where he was a respected football elder and where he also had big players in the team who were his signings and loyal to him.

And one of his biggest influences is... Gerrard Houllier. You have to think he's hard a word with Houllier who has told him point blank the issues at the club. Tackle them head on and we might fix this mess. Skirt around it and it remain forever. I'm also Robert Duverne has also shared his views, so it's not a shock that Gabby is persona non grata.

Houllier's already in employment and is not exactly popular in B6, but he is exactly the type of person we could do with at the club in a position above Garde.  In fact with there already being a connection between the two, I couldn't think of many better people really.

I could. Go and have a look at who Houllier bought for Liverpool, his transfer record is shocking.

I think that's a bit harsh. He bought some decent defenders/midfielders. Hyypia, Babbel, Hamann, McAllister, Riise, even Henchoz did well for him. He definitely had a mare with the big money forward thinking players though.

Most of those were in the very early days, more than 15 years ago.  After that he wasted millions.  Ask Liverpool fans what they think about the likes of Heggem, Diomede, Camara, Biscan, Baros, Diouf, Cheyrou, Diao and Cisse etc.  Even for the short time he was with us, he hardly set the world alight.  Darren Bent kept us up, but buying an out and out goal scorer from another Premier League team is hardly the stuff of dreams for Directors of Football.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on January 11, 2016, 08:05:37 PM
Actually feel sorry now for Garde. He's been hung out to dry by those gutless cowards above him. Shame on Lerner, Fox and Co. ....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: nick harper on January 11, 2016, 08:20:17 PM
Quote from: Caribbeanvillan on January 11, 2016, 06:45:25 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-owner-randy-lerner-10714733

I do admire Garde's resolve and honesty. Not only has he called out the players are not working hard enough (a damning indictment on their commitment) but also invited senior people to the floor and speak to the fans. Good on him - feels like he is cranking up the pressure himself.

I expect he feels he has nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 11, 2016, 09:15:22 PM
I'm watching Spuds v Chelsea under 21s on sky and they have panned to Remi at the game.  Andros Townsend is playing and has scored twice.  Could he be watching him?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on January 11, 2016, 09:37:42 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 11, 2016, 09:15:22 PM
I'm watching Spuds v Chelsea under 21s on sky and they have panned to Remi at the game.  Andros Townsend is playing and has scored twice.  Could he be watching him?

Spuds what 14mil for him and won't loan him so I doubt its him he is watching ..
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 11, 2016, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2016, 09:37:42 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 11, 2016, 09:15:22 PM
I'm watching Spuds v Chelsea under 21s on sky and they have panned to Remi at the game.  Andros Townsend is playing and has scored twice.  Could he be watching him?

Spuds what 14mil for him and won't loan him so I doubt its him he is watching ..

I doubt they would get £14m for him. He's not even in their squad is he?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 11, 2016, 09:52:02 PM
Probably a goalkeeper the shit that Guzan is in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 11, 2016, 10:06:49 PM
As I have said before, my approach to the players that do not want to give it all for the club is not to pay them off but to exclude them from the squad and tell them to stay away from the club.  We will still have to pay their wages but seeing their careers going down the pan without football might just make a few think about asking to be transferred.

I think Garde should start to pull together a group of the younger players and building some spirit amongst them that might start to snowball a bit.  Start this now and it might be a springboard for next season.  It will be divisive but something has to be done to change what appears to be a lack of respect from some players towards the club and the supporters.

I think there are a lot of assumptions being made about lack of discipline and splits in the dressing room without and hard evidence of this and we (myself included) may be blowing this out of proportion.  However, if it is true and there is a clear ring leader or outspoken individual, I would make an example of him and suspend him from the club and bring it out into the open.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dicedlam on January 11, 2016, 10:35:13 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 11, 2016, 10:06:49 PM
As I have said before, my approach to the players that do not want to give it all for the club is not to pay them off but to exclude them from the squad and tell them to stay away from the club.  We will still have to pay their wages but seeing their careers going down the pan without football might just make a few think about asking to be transferred.

They were saying on the radio earlier that it is not so simple to just exclude players from a squad. They said that the players union would get involved on the grounds that you are stopping a person from plying his profession. Apparently, whilst training, a club has got to make a qualified coach available to there players, or something to that effect.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 11, 2016, 10:41:14 PM
There's an article in the Evening Rag with Remi saying he has told the board precise details of what he wants to do this month and going forwards, he says they know exactly what he wants and now lets see.

I get the feeling he hasn't been given the go ahead to approach anyone just yet and the decision will be made during the meeting this week.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 11, 2016, 10:50:26 PM
This shows that probably there are undesirables http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/remi-garde-asks-board-back-10718691
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2016, 10:53:35 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 11, 2016, 10:41:14 PM
There's an article in the Evening Rag with Remi saying he has told the board precise details of what he wants to do this month and going forwards, he says they know exactly what he wants and now lets see.

I get the feeling he hasn't been given the go ahead to approach anyone just yet and the decision will be made during the meeting this week.

I reckon he's gone big on the motivational pictures in the Niceday catalogue, and any P.O's over the £250 threshold need to be signed personally by the big man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 11, 2016, 10:58:47 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on January 11, 2016, 10:50:26 PM
This shows that probably there are undesirables http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/remi-garde-asks-board-back-10718691

That does sound ominously that he's already at the 'fuck it' stage.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: The Left Side on January 11, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
Mat Kendrick has tweeted that no statement is coming today, maybe tomorrow or maybe not at all...

Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick  54m54 minutes ago
Randy Lerner's statement won't be today, and I doubt it will be tomorrow, but it Shunammite be in the next week. (Or Shunammite not) #avfc
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 11, 2016, 11:01:25 PM
Sounds like he wants Gabby gone on a free if it has to be that way just to get rid. Fools giving him another contract, wasn't it Fox again at it with the contracts? or before his time? He's pretty much intimated that Gabby has been a problem and his attitude hasn't been there to help the team.

He's also saying that if we weren't in such a bad position he'd probably have two players in by now but is struggling selling the project because we are so abject at the moment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: b23 on January 11, 2016, 11:03:33 PM
Quote from: dicedlam on January 11, 2016, 10:35:13 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 11, 2016, 10:06:49 PM
As I have said before, my approach to the players that do not want to give it all for the club is not to pay them off but to exclude them from the squad and tell them to stay away from the club.  We will still have to pay their wages but seeing their careers going down the pan without football might just make a few think about asking to be transferred.

They were saying on the radio earlier that it is not so simple to just exclude players from a squad. They said that the players union would get involved on the grounds that you are stopping a person from plying his profession. Apparently, whilst training, a club has got to make a qualified coach available to there players, or something to that effect.


Fair enough. They can have a kick around with Paddy on Aston Park.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 11, 2016, 11:09:25 PM
I think he has been as forthright and strong as you could wish him to be in the press tonight. He is sending a clear message that there is a huge amount not right in the squad. He clearly has questioned the professionalism of Gabby and NZog, was not happy about what he was told about Guzan and Lescott and reportedly wants up to 12 out.

He has some guts as he is actually trying to tackle the situation rather than go for a quick fix motivation wise, and admitted in the long term he wants to complete a huge overhaul of the squad. I hope he gets the backing to just get the job done, however painful - this season is a write off so start the blood letting now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on January 11, 2016, 11:10:31 PM
Remi doesn't have much to lose by playing hardball with the club, except he has to offload the wasters before he can bring in new players. It really is a thankless task. Jesus if we could just get a win for the sake/sanity of the manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on January 11, 2016, 11:11:06 PM
Well after tonights reports its clear he is not fucking around , certainly he is no yes man
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 11, 2016, 11:16:08 PM
The Gabby on a free if someone will take him is true according to an itk at Smethwick but he doesn't want to take a dip in wages without some sort of payoff.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on January 11, 2016, 11:18:50 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 11, 2016, 11:16:08 PM
The Gabby on a free if someone will take him is true according to an itk at Smethwick but he doesn't want to take a dip in wages without some sort of payoff.

To be fair, he deserves a pay off for of his efforts recently *rolls eyes*
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on January 11, 2016, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: The Left Side on January 11, 2016, 11:00:56 PM
Mat Kendrick has tweeted that no statement is coming today, maybe tomorrow or maybe not at all...

Mat Kendrick ‏@MatKendrick  54m54 minutes ago
Randy Lerner's statement won't be today, and I doubt it will be tomorrow, but it Shunammite be in the next week. (Or Shunammite not) #avfc

The art of the tweet depends upon puns and wordplay, I dare say, and  journos these days are instructed to raise their social networking profiles, but I wonder if Mat ever thinks working for that diseased organ is sucking out his life force and depriving him of his essence. 

 

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on January 11, 2016, 11:25:02 PM
Does anyone actually expect an honest, open statement from Lerner? It'll be the usual cryptic, noncommittal or motivational shit that it's always been. Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 11, 2016, 11:28:38 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 11, 2016, 10:06:49 PM
As I have said before, my approach to the players that do not want to give it all for the club is not to pay them off but to exclude them from the squad and tell them to stay away from the club.  We will still have to pay their wages but seeing their careers going down the pan without football might just make a few think about asking to be transferred.

I think Garde should start to pull together a group of the younger players and building some spirit amongst them that might start to snowball a bit.  Start this now and it might be a springboard for next season.  It will be divisive but something has to be done to change what appears to be a lack of respect from some players towards the club and the supporters.

I think there are a lot of assumptions being made about lack of discipline and splits in the dressing room without and hard evidence of this and we (myself included) may be blowing this out of proportion.  However, if it is true and there is a clear ring leader or outspoken individual, I would make an example of him and suspend him from the club and bring it out into the open.

Some wally on WM tonight said he wanted us to lose every game this season as he wants us to beat Derbys record.

I'd say trying to get some momentum is vital going into next season if we want any chance of getting back straight away.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on January 11, 2016, 11:39:11 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 11, 2016, 11:25:02 PM
Does anyone actually expect an honest, open statement from Lerner? It'll be the usual cryptic, noncommittal or motivational shit that it's always been. Nothing to see here.

I could not care less about any statement.  We have long passed the time when weasel words or marketing flimflam mean anything to anybody with half a clue.

On the other hand, I most concerned that he backs his manager in practice by enabling him to do the necessary.

Garde must be allowed to wield to wield the scalpel and excise the rotten core.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on January 11, 2016, 11:47:43 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 11, 2016, 11:28:38 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 11, 2016, 10:06:49 PM
As I have said before, my approach to the players that do not want to give it all for the club is not to pay them off but to exclude them from the squad and tell them to stay away from the club.  We will still have to pay their wages but seeing their careers going down the pan without football might just make a few think about asking to be transferred.

I think Garde should start to pull together a group of the younger players and building some spirit amongst them that might start to snowball a bit.  Start this now and it might be a springboard for next season.  It will be divisive but something has to be done to change what appears to be a lack of respect from some players towards the club and the supporters.

I think there are a lot of assumptions being made about lack of discipline and splits in the dressing room without and hard evidence of this and we (myself included) may be blowing this out of proportion.  However, if it is true and there is a clear ring leader or outspoken individual, I would make an example of him and suspend him from the club and bring it out into the open.

Some wally on WM tonight said he wanted us to lose every game this season as he wants us to beat Derbys record.

I'd say trying to get some momentum is vital going into next season if we want any chance of getting back straight away.
ill tell you now
we aint down yet no fkn way
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 12, 2016, 01:13:15 AM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on January 11, 2016, 04:46:45 PM
We might also have an internal bunch of saboteurs, who like when Houllier  was here, didn't liked his approach. Sometimes it feels like the mistakes are done on purpose, and they hope they can get rid of Garde by this performance. Cut the head of the snake (Gabby?) and sell him asap - maybe the others will stop thinking they are in control of the club.

Cheapshot answer is we sold him in the summer.

The not so cheapshot answer us that this has felt more like a Hydra of Greek legend, where for every head you cut off, two grow back since the days of Houllier.

The more we see the false edifice of Lerner's construction fall, revealing the fact that there's nothing behind holding it up, the more the scale of the miracle of not being relegated sooner becomes apparent.

I think it's becoming clearer what McLeish and Lambert meant with their occasional hints at "you don't know what's going on behind the scenes" was all about.

It also looks to me like Sherwood was a final attempt to paper over the cracks and Garde's appointment was with a remit to do whatever was necessary to sort it out, regardless of the consequences this season. Unfortunately like embarking on any form of restoration, no matter how good your evaluation work before you start , it's only when you start stripping back the years of misuse, poor maintenance and neglect that you can truly see whether what's underneath is actually salvageable and Remi has discovered that this rebuild is a bit more than a superficial tidy up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 12, 2016, 01:21:05 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2016, 11:11:06 PM
Well after tonights reports its clear he is not fucking around , certainly he is no yes man

That is the kind of attitude and management we have been missing for years.  I'm sure if Houllier had stayed on for at least the beginning of a second season, he would have got rid of the shirkers, but as it was they were allowed to stay and a culture of comfort and complaceny has set in. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 12, 2016, 01:29:41 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 12, 2016, 01:21:05 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 11, 2016, 11:11:06 PM
Well after tonights reports its clear he is not fucking around , certainly he is no yes man

That is the kind of attitude and management we have been missing for years.  I'm sure if Houllier had stayed on for at least the beginning of a second season, he would have got rid of the shirkers, but as it was they were allowed to stay and a culture of comfort and complaceny has set in.[\]

I think that had been there from the day's of MON if you believe the stories of the training regimes, added to the fact that if you were one of the favoured few, you were pretty much guaranteed you place and if you weren't then why bother.  The difference being that, come the day of a game, he could rouse a better quality squad to perform to something approaching it's potential most of the time.

Subsequent managers have never really turned that around and it looks like the last one to try was Houllier, so the shrug the shoulders, why worry, lackadaisical approach has become engrained.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT Villan on January 12, 2016, 03:44:39 AM
Remi is Houllier 2, except it feels like the cancer is deeper rooted and more invasive than when Gerard took a scalpel to the squad...and even then with all of his experience and respect within the game, it took months to make any progress. Notwithstanding the mistakes he appears to have made, Garde is still probably many months away from arresting the disease and getting the club breathing without a ventilator...and there's always the concern that even at his best, the job may be beyond him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on January 12, 2016, 05:22:35 AM
He's starting to sound like a man who is either going to walk or be given license to break out the sledgehammer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on January 12, 2016, 05:22:35 AM
Double post
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on January 12, 2016, 05:55:42 AM
TV has Garde actually said that Mr "look after number one" Houllier is one of his influences? Serious question. I fucking hope not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 12, 2016, 06:56:10 AM
The analogy for the Villa period post Houllier that appeals to me is Animal Farm.  The farmer's authority is flouted and overturned and the power is taken by the pigs lead by Napoleon.

Bit extreme I know but successive managers' authority has been flouted and the players have ruled the roost. Cliques and cadres have overwhelmed attempts to build team spirit and leadership.  How often have we seen players come to us, play well for a period then sink into indolence? Gana is a typical example. KEA is another.  Bertrand is a third.

Another problem area, as though the poor man does not have enough, is players managing their appearances to suit themselves through recurring injuries.  Our medical staff needs the same hard examination as every other part of the club rebuilding exercise. If whispers are true we have key players who have come in with serious injury issues.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 12, 2016, 07:16:00 AM
Good observation about KEA, Gana & Bertrand Brian.

I am actually pretty happy Garde is rather openly calling out those above him now. I always wondered whether the club did the old switcheroo on managers promising them X funds then changing their minds when the window arrived. I now believe it, which would account for McLeish, Lambert & Sherwood all having that change in attitude over time with grimaced references to things behind the scenes. Garde is just calling bullshit right out the gate. Good for him.

I hope it spurs some action and more importantly spending from Lerner. Sadly I reckon it will spur Garde to lose his job by the end of the month rather than the end of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: exigo on January 12, 2016, 07:23:18 AM
I really do hope that Garde stays. He seems to be the first manager we've had for a while who actually fully understands the level of shit that we're in, and has a plan to sort it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 12, 2016, 07:26:48 AM
I am sure you are right ciggies about promises for funds being massaged at the last moment.  It is what I hinted at possibly happening when Remi next meets Lerner (ignore Fox he is on the naughty step) and says I want players A, B, C, and D out of the club.  If past form is anything to go by he will be told C and D can go but A and B should be let off with a jolly good talking to about their attitude.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2016, 08:12:06 AM
I really like what Remi is trying to do, the club need to back him. It's an incredibly tough job to rid this club of the players who have dragged it down. We're getting relegated anyway, so the important thing is to get the squad in the best possible shape mentally to come back up next year.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Proposition Joe on January 12, 2016, 08:31:44 AM
Quote from: exigo on January 12, 2016, 07:23:18 AM
I really do hope that Garde stays. He seems to be the first manager we've had for a while who actually fully understands the level of shit that we're in, and has a plan to sort it.

Agree. I almost think he'd be a better DoF/sporting director so he can sort it all out from a position of more authority.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 09:33:06 AM
There are so many analogies and bullshit theories here.

The reality is we just had a legacy of overpaid very average players from MON compounded by a reduced budget and some very average managers. 

It is just plain wrong to say we haven't tried to address this.  The club has tried very hard to root out the overpaid and disruptive (the two aren't necessarily the same) - look at the bomb squad for instance.  Misguided, but exactly what someone above has suggested.

The fact is, whilst we may say 'sell Gabby for this, Richardson for that' (read in Bent, Ireland, Dunn, Collins, etc etc) other clubs are less keen to take our expensive problems off our hands.

I don't buy that it is a 'deep rooted culture' or any of the other hysterical theories.  We just have had some shit players, poor managers and not enough money to sort it out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 12, 2016, 10:00:38 AM
I don't disagree with that - and when we have had a decent player on our hands, inevitably they have gone elsewhere  and been replaced with inferior players
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 12, 2016, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 09:33:06 AM
There are so many analogies and bullshit theories here.

The reality is we just had a legacy of overpaid very average players from MON compounded by a reduced budget and some very average managers. 

It is just plain wrong to say we haven't tried to address this.  The club has tried very hard to root out the overpaid and disruptive (the two aren't necessarily the same) - look at the bomb squad for instance.  Misguided, but exactly what someone above has suggested.

The fact is, whilst we may say 'sell Gabby for this, Richardson for that' (read in Bent, Ireland, Dunn, Collins, etc etc) other clubs are less keen to take our expensive problems off our hands.

I don't buy that it is a 'deep rooted culture' or any of the other hysterical theories.  We just have had some shit players, poor managers and not enough money to sort it out.

The bomb squad wasn't dealing with it though. It was the equivalent of putting the rubbish behind the shed instead of getting rid of it, then wondering why that end of the garden stinks of shit as everything rots. Then when you finally go to do something about it the bottom falls out of the bin bag and the soggy, smelly, distasteful mess ends up over your feet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on January 12, 2016, 10:20:43 AM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on January 11, 2016, 10:50:26 PM
This shows that probably there are undesirables http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/remi-garde-asks-board-back-10718691

Very impressive honesty and strength.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 12, 2016, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 09:33:06 AM
There are so many analogies and bullshit theories here.

The reality is we just had a legacy of overpaid very average players from MON compounded by a reduced budget and some very average managers. 

It is just plain wrong to say we haven't tried to address this.  The club has tried very hard to root out the overpaid and disruptive (the two aren't necessarily the same) - look at the bomb squad for instance.  Misguided, but exactly what someone above has suggested.

The fact is, whilst we may say 'sell Gabby for this, Richardson for that' (read in Bent, Ireland, Dunn, Collins, etc etc) other clubs are less keen to take our expensive problems off our hands.

I don't buy that it is a 'deep rooted culture' or any of the other hysterical theories.  We just have had some shit players, poor managers and not enough money to sort it out.

The bomb squad wasn't dealing with it though. It was the equivalent of putting the rubbish behind the shed instead of getting rid of it, then wondering why that end of the garden stinks of shit as everything rots. Then when you finally go to do something about it the bottom falls out of the bin bag and the soggy, smelly, distasteful mess ends up over your feet.

Another analogy.  Brilliant.  It was 'trying' to deal with it.  In exactly the same way another poster suggested above.  As I stated, it was a misguided approach, but getting rid of dross isn't easy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on January 12, 2016, 10:37:59 AM
Hutton is the best bit of that analogy, he's the dining chair you put behind the shed for 2 years and then suddenly decided tobring it back in the house and pay to get it restored only to realise that it is just as shit now as when you put it out there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on January 12, 2016, 10:47:26 AM
Hutton's contract must be up at the end of this season mustn't it?  He'll have been at Villa 5 seasons then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Olof's Beard on January 12, 2016, 10:54:03 AM
Quote from: not3bad on January 12, 2016, 10:47:26 AM
Hutton's contract must be up at the end of this season mustn't it?  He'll have been at Villa 5 seasons then.

They gave him a new one at the beginning of last season. It was the period when the board got a bit excited about us picking up 10 points from the opening four matches and started dishing out contracts willy-nilly (if I may use that phrase). Then we only got 9 more points before February and barely scored a goal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 12, 2016, 10:57:38 AM
he and CNZ really did get all their birthday's coming at once when offered those contracts. My only crumb of comfort is that no one gets fooled by Flowerpot Man and Mutton again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 12, 2016, 11:07:51 AM
9 point before February looks like luxury now.
Title: stopping the rot
Post by: trevor fisher on January 12, 2016, 11:17:14 AM
The most significant thing Garde has said so far is that he cannot solve problems that have been years in the making in two months. Fans need to accept this and look to what he is doing to sort the problems he inherited. If Lerner is not selling up, and we wait for his statement, then we have only Garde to sort our problems.

He looks as though he is willing to clear out the rubbish in the squad and work for a better future. If he now understands the depth of the problems, I will support him in getting to grips with this, and it will take time. It is also clear that he is going to have difficulty in getting players to sign this window, as few other than mercenaries will want to be involved in the current disaster.

So unless Lerner announces he is stepping down for a new chair, we have to rely on Garde. And please stop the nonsense of both fans and players insulting each other, as it makes it harder to sign good players and improve team performance.. I agree with Andy Townsend on the behaviour of Lescott and Guzan at Wycombe. How can Lescott claim to be a Villa fan and do what he did?

Trevor Fisher.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 12, 2016, 11:49:55 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 12, 2016, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 09:33:06 AM
There are so many analogies and bullshit theories here.

The reality is we just had a legacy of overpaid very average players from MON compounded by a reduced budget and some very average managers. 

It is just plain wrong to say we haven't tried to address this.  The club has tried very hard to root out the overpaid and disruptive (the two aren't necessarily the same) - look at the bomb squad for instance.  Misguided, but exactly what someone above has suggested.

The fact is, whilst we may say 'sell Gabby for this, Richardson for that' (read in Bent, Ireland, Dunn, Collins, etc etc) other clubs are less keen to take our expensive problems off our hands.

I don't buy that it is a 'deep rooted culture' or any of the other hysterical theories.  We just have had some shit players, poor managers and not enough money to sort it out.

The bomb squad wasn't dealing with it though. It was the equivalent of putting the rubbish behind the shed instead of getting rid of it, then wondering why that end of the garden stinks of shit as everything rots. Then when you finally go to do something about it the bottom falls out of the bin bag and the soggy, smelly, distasteful mess ends up over your feet.

Another analogy.  Brilliant.  It was 'trying' to deal with it.  In exactly the same way another poster suggested above.  As I stated, it was a misguided approach, but getting rid of dross isn't easy.

It was trying to deal with it, the same way that the EU spent 12 months trying to deal with the refugee problem.  By kicking the problem as far away as possible, sticking their heads in the sand and hoping it would go away.  Guess what? Both got shafted by their  own cowardice and ineptitude.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 11:56:14 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 12, 2016, 11:49:55 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 12, 2016, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 09:33:06 AM
There are so many analogies and bullshit theories here.

The reality is we just had a legacy of overpaid very average players from MON compounded by a reduced budget and some very average managers. 

It is just plain wrong to say we haven't tried to address this.  The club has tried very hard to root out the overpaid and disruptive (the two aren't necessarily the same) - look at the bomb squad for instance.  Misguided, but exactly what someone above has suggested.

The fact is, whilst we may say 'sell Gabby for this, Richardson for that' (read in Bent, Ireland, Dunn, Collins, etc etc) other clubs are less keen to take our expensive problems off our hands.

I don't buy that it is a 'deep rooted culture' or any of the other hysterical theories.  We just have had some shit players, poor managers and not enough money to sort it out.

The bomb squad wasn't dealing with it though. It was the equivalent of putting the rubbish behind the shed instead of getting rid of it, then wondering why that end of the garden stinks of shit as everything rots. Then when you finally go to do something about it the bottom falls out of the bin bag and the soggy, smelly, distasteful mess ends up over your feet.

Another analogy.  Brilliant.  It was 'trying' to deal with it.  In exactly the same way another poster suggested above.  As I stated, it was a misguided approach, but getting rid of dross isn't easy.

It was trying to deal with it, the same way that the EU spent 12 months trying to deal with the refugee problem.  By kicking the problem as far away as possible, sticking their heads in the sand and hoping it would go away.  Guess what? Both got shafted by their  own cowardice and ineptitude.

Nobody is defending the fucking policy.  We all know it did't work.

But it's not the same the stupid 'deep rooted culture' theories and ridiculous garden shed analogies.

All I'm saying is that the problems are pretty simple when boiled down and all the theories and analogies are pointless at best and hysteria producing counter productive bollocks at worst.

Edit - and I'm sorry but freezing a few players out in the hope they would get the message and choose to pursue their careers elsewhere is nothing like the handling of the refugee crisis.  This is the sort of shite I'm talking about VID, you're becoming a parody of yourself.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2016, 11:56:26 AM
I could go in and tell you who the shit players are that we need to get rid of. What I want to see from Garde is some managerial ability, and I don't think we've seen much of that yet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 12, 2016, 11:58:59 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 12, 2016, 11:56:26 AM
I could go in and tell you who the shit players are that we need to get rid of. What I want to see from Garde is some managerial ability, and I don't think we've seen much of that yet.
What about that 20 minute spell where we played well at Norwich?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 12:02:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 12, 2016, 11:56:26 AM
I could go in and tell you who the shit players are that we need to get rid of. What I want to see from Garde is some managerial ability, and I don't think we've seen much of that yet.

Agreed.  There was a lot of hope when he arrived (much of it a bit OTT) but to not even get a 'new manager bounce' is enormously disappointing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: hipkiss92 on January 12, 2016, 12:06:04 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 12, 2016, 11:58:59 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 12, 2016, 11:56:26 AM
I could go in and tell you who the shit players are that we need to get rid of. What I want to see from Garde is some managerial ability, and I don't think we've seen much of that yet.
What about that 20 minute spell where we played well at Norwich?

We were shite at Norwich - Newcastle was reasonable though, probably because they're so appalling.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on January 12, 2016, 12:07:48 PM
Quote from: Bad English on January 12, 2016, 05:55:42 AM
TV has Garde actually said that Mr "look after number one" Houllier is one of his influences? Serious question. I fucking hope not.

Garde has said that Houiller is indeed one of his influences. Wenger being the other main one who actually gave him the inspiration to become a manager. I think it was on an interview on AVTV when he first arrived (Houllier had been at Lyon). Remi had been to Villa Park to watch us when Houllier was here too (if my memory serves me right) as well as playing here while at Arsenal - which also was mentioned.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 12, 2016, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: hipkiss92 on January 12, 2016, 12:06:04 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 12, 2016, 11:58:59 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 12, 2016, 11:56:26 AM
I could go in and tell you who the shit players are that we need to get rid of. What I want to see from Garde is some managerial ability, and I don't think we've seen much of that yet.
What about that 20 minute spell where we played well at Norwich?

We were shite at Norwich - Newcastle was reasonable though, probably because they're so appalling.

Then there was that 5 minute spell against West Ham....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 12, 2016, 12:11:55 PM
First 10 minutes against Sunderland was pretty good. We could join them all together and get a 90 minute decent performance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 12, 2016, 12:18:02 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 11:56:14 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 12, 2016, 11:49:55 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 12, 2016, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 09:33:06 AM
There are so many analogies and bullshit theories here.

The reality is we just had a legacy of overpaid very average players from MON compounded by a reduced budget and some very average managers. 

It is just plain wrong to say we haven't tried to address this.  The club has tried very hard to root out the overpaid and disruptive (the two aren't necessarily the same) - look at the bomb squad for instance.  Misguided, but exactly what someone above has suggested.

The fact is, whilst we may say 'sell Gabby for this, Richardson for that' (read in Bent, Ireland, Dunn, Collins, etc etc) other clubs are less keen to take our expensive problems off our hands.

I don't buy that it is a 'deep rooted culture' or any of the other hysterical theories.  We just have had some shit players, poor managers and not enough money to sort it out.

The bomb squad wasn't dealing with it though. It was the equivalent of putting the rubbish behind the shed instead of getting rid of it, then wondering why that end of the garden stinks of shit as everything rots. Then when you finally go to do something about it the bottom falls out of the bin bag and the soggy, smelly, distasteful mess ends up over your feet.

Another analogy.  Brilliant.  It was 'trying' to deal with it.  In exactly the same way another poster suggested above.  As I stated, it was a misguided approach, but getting rid of dross isn't easy.

It was trying to deal with it, the same way that the EU spent 12 months trying to deal with the refugee problem.  By kicking the problem as far away as possible, sticking their heads in the sand and hoping it would go away.  Guess what? Both got shafted by their  own cowardice and ineptitude.

Nobody is defending the fucking policy.  We all know it did't work.

But it's not the same the stupid 'deep rooted culture' theories and ridiculous garden shed analogies.

All I'm saying is that the problems are pretty simple when boiled down and all the theories and analogies are pointless at best and hysteria producing counter productive bollocks at worst.

It

When the whole place has been going to bollocks for over 5 years over 5 different managers plus 2 caretakers, you don't think that's deep rooted?

I'd say it was endemic of an organisation that
a.) hasn't got a clue what it's doing and even worse,
b.) hasn't been too bothered about the fact that it has not only been falling behind it's own standards, but also letting competitors go sailing past.

In a previous post you referred to bullshit theories. Unless you've concrete inside knowledge from Villa Park and Bodymoor Heath you can't definitively say that they're bullshit. Anyway what do you expect. This is a forum populated by Villa fans upset about the state of the club. Not just the impending relegation, but the fact that the whole thing just stinks. People ae bound to explore various ideas (or theories for want of a posh word) and points of view (lets call it discussion being as we're on a discussion board) to try and make sense of what the hell is going on.

I'll give you one point. The one a lot of people have been making on here since before O'Neill flounced off. He largely paid way over the odds for mediocrity and gave them far too much in wages.  That was the start all of the shit became visible. 
When we've still got squad members behaving like spoiled school kids 5 years after that shit between Dunne, Collins and Cowans you can't pin it just on the current squad. When you change out so many employees as we have and still get the same behaviour I can only conclude that it's the organisation itself.  Anyone who's done the slightest amount of work in change management or behavioural analysis will tell you that 5 years of that kind of bollocks, (and it's probably been the case since the latter days of O'Neill's tenure.) will mean that that culture is engrained.

As for the analogies, well humour is a well recognised method of dealing with stressful situations, but not all situations apparently.

EDIT - Just seen your edit.

1. I'm not advocating the bomb squad. It thought it was stupid then and stupid now.
2. In what way am I becoming a parody of myself? To do that I'd have to have some defining characteristic which is taken beyond the point of excess to the point where the whole characteristic is laughable. Now unless you mean that my charming wit has reached the point that mere mortals can't cope with, I'm struggling.




Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 12, 2016, 12:18:47 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 12, 2016, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 12, 2016, 09:33:06 AM
There are so many analogies and bullshit theories here.

The reality is we just had a legacy of overpaid very average players from MON compounded by a reduced budget and some very average managers. 

It is just plain wrong to say we haven't tried to address this.  The club has tried very hard to root out the overpaid and disruptive (the two aren't necessarily the same) - look at the bomb squad for instance.  Misguided, but exactly what someone above has suggested.

The fact is, whilst we may say 'sell Gabby for this, Richardson for that' (read in Bent, Ireland, Dunn, Collins, etc etc) other clubs are less keen to take our expensive problems off our hands.

I don't buy that it is a 'deep rooted culture' or any of the other hysterical theories.  We just have had some shit players, poor managers and not enough money to sort it out.

The bomb squad wasn't dealing with it though. It was the equivalent of putting the rubbish behind the shed instead of getting rid of it, then wondering why that end of the garden stinks of shit as everything rots. Then when you finally go to do something about it the bottom falls out of the bin bag and the soggy, smelly, distasteful mess ends up over your feet.

In a nutshell, hide the problem and ignore it, then if we're lucky it might go away.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Witton Warrior on January 12, 2016, 12:36:55 PM
Garde seems to be saying that potential new signings are turning us down - sorry haven't got a link as someone just showed me on their 'phone - so we are going to be stuck with the majority of this team until we go down then...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on January 12, 2016, 12:40:25 PM
Quote from: Witton Warrior on January 12, 2016, 12:36:55 PM
Garde seems to be saying that potential new signings are turning us down - sorry haven't got a link as someone just showed me on their 'phone - so we are going to be stuck with the majority of this team until we go down then...

http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre

7:43AM on the timeline on that link.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: amfy on January 12, 2016, 12:40:28 PM
More than even needing the actual points, that's why we needed to show more signs if life over Christmas and new year.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 12, 2016, 12:42:44 PM
If we beat Palace and Leicester then it might give us hope of signing a few decent players....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on January 12, 2016, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 12, 2016, 12:42:44 PM
If we beat Palace and Leicester then it might give us hope of signing a few decent players....

It's a vicious circle, I don't think we can start winning games without signing a few decent players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2016, 12:44:07 PM
Quote from: Bad English on January 12, 2016, 05:55:42 AM
TV has Garde actually said that Mr "look after number one" Houllier is one of his influences? Serious question. I fucking hope not.

From this article when Garde arrived

Garde/Houllier relationship (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3303998/Remi-Garde-reveals-Gerard-Houllier-told-Aston-Villa-manager-s-job.html)

Quote
Garde has spoken of the close relationship the pair share, which blossomed at the Stade de Gerland and how Houllier's guidance influenced his decision to attempt management in England.
Talking to AVTV, Garde said: 'Gerard told me a lot of good, positive things. He encouraged me to take the job. We had a long chat together.
'Actually I visited him when he was manager of Aston Villa. So I was not totally lost when I came here to (training centre) Bodymoor Heath.
'We liked each other very much. I don't know why - sometimes you can't explain why.
'We had a spell together at Lyon and then we never lost contact.
'Of course when he spoke to me about Aston Villa it was all positive.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldtimernow on January 12, 2016, 12:46:30 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on January 11, 2016, 11:39:11 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 11, 2016, 11:25:02 PM
Does anyone actually expect an honest, open statement from Lerner? It'll be the usual cryptic, noncommittal or motivational shit that it's always been. Nothing to see here.

I could not care less about any statement.  We have long passed the time when weasel words or marketing flimflam mean anything to anybody with half a clue.

On the other hand, I most concerned that he backs his manager in practice by enabling him to do the necessary.

Garde must be allowed to wield to wield the scalpel and excise the rotten core.   

I think he needs something like a machete really
Title: Re: stopping the rot
Post by: Martin Wadsworth on January 12, 2016, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: trevor fisher on January 12, 2016, 11:17:14 AM
I agree with Andy Townsend on the behaviour of Lescott and Guzan at Wycombe. How can Lescott claim to be a Villa fan and do what he did?

Their reaction may have come as a result of being verbally abused on more than that occasion. Leaning into the dugout should not be allowed and stewards should have stopped it. Despite all that, the gum spitting nonsense shows disrespect and better standards should be enforced. Guzan may be smug, expecting to be rested only for cup games. If I was the manager, I would drop him tonight, Lescott also, depending on availability of players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Witton Warrior on January 12, 2016, 12:52:12 PM
Quote from: hoyle87 on January 12, 2016, 12:40:25 PM
Quote from: Witton Warrior on January 12, 2016, 12:36:55 PM
Garde seems to be saying that potential new signings are turning us down - sorry haven't got a link as someone just showed me on their 'phone - so we are going to be stuck with the majority of this team until we go down then...

http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre

7:43AM on the timeline on that link.

Cheers h37
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on January 12, 2016, 01:12:45 PM
Ah yes, I seem to remember seeing that article. I have little time for Mr "blame anyone but me" Houllier.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 12, 2016, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: trevor fisher on January 12, 2016, 11:17:14 AM
The most significant thing Garde has said so far is that he cannot solve problems that have been years in the making in two months. Fans need to accept this and look to what he is doing to sort the problems he inherited. If Lerner is not selling up, and we wait for his statement, then we have only Garde to sort our problems.

He looks as though he is willing to clear out the rubbish in the squad and work for a better future. If he now understands the depth of the problems, I will support him in getting to grips with this, and it will take time. It is also clear that he is going to have difficulty in getting players to sign this window, as few other than mercenaries will want to be involved in the current disaster.

So unless Lerner announces he is stepping down for a new chair, we have to rely on Garde. And please stop the nonsense of both fans and players insulting each other, as it makes it harder to sign good players and improve team performance.. I agree with Andy Townsend on the behaviour of Lescott and Guzan at Wycombe. How can Lescott claim to be a Villa fan and do what he did?

Trevor Fisher.
Good post, Trevor. I cannot argue against a word of that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 12, 2016, 01:34:36 PM
If Garde is having problems bringing in new players he should turn to youth.

Giving a few a run will be ok as long as they are not overplayed. The only positions I would not do this are goalkeeper and central defence where more experience is required. Starting one with another couple on the bench with a view to see how they handle it. We need to blood some now ready for next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2016, 02:38:15 PM
I think Garde is acutely aware of how posionous our dressing room is and probably doesn't want too many young players being exposed to it. I was was suprised to see Guzan's behaviour at the weekend, I also thought he was alright, but clearly he's another one with an attitude problem. Garde should be fully supported in getting rid of these players who have no respect for the club or their own profession.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Confusious says on January 12, 2016, 02:43:53 PM
What a terrible state of affairs we find ourselves in again, after years of trying to balance books
Since Martin O'neil walked out. Remi Guard has come in to a toxic situation trying to get players to perform also now he has a chance to get some new blood in no one wants to sign for us, if that is the case then we have a defender in Senderos who is trying to get a loan out so he can hopefully
Make the Swiss team for the euros why not give him a start if he is fit, and hopefully we can get a goalkeeper and midfielder in with a bit of luck but I wish Remi the best of luck in his job he has on
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 12, 2016, 03:04:17 PM
I give all credit to Garde for calling on the 'management' to back him and to explain things he cannot and should not be expected to. I bet he cannot believe the shambles and unprofessional mess he has walked into. I just hope he has the patience and backing to sort it out or we will be on a downward trajectory for a good while to come.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 12, 2016, 03:51:20 PM
Quote from: Chris Harte on January 12, 2016, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: trevor fisher on January 12, 2016, 11:17:14 AM
The most significant thing Garde has said so far is that he cannot solve problems that have been years in the making in two months. Fans need to accept this and look to what he is doing to sort the problems he inherited. If Lerner is not selling up, and we wait for his statement, then we have only Garde to sort our problems.

He looks as though he is willing to clear out the rubbish in the squad and work for a better future. If he now understands the depth of the problems, I will support him in getting to grips with this, and it will take time. It is also clear that he is going to have difficulty in getting players to sign this window, as few other than mercenaries will want to be involved in the current disaster.

So unless Lerner announces he is stepping down for a new chair, we have to rely on Garde. And please stop the nonsense of both fans and players insulting each other, as it makes it harder to sign good players and improve team performance.. I agree with Andy Townsend on the behaviour of Lescott and Guzan at Wycombe. How can Lescott claim to be a Villa fan and do what he did?

Trevor Fisher.
Good post, Trevor. I cannot argue against a word of that.

X2
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 12, 2016, 05:00:19 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on January 12, 2016, 03:04:17 PM
I give all credit to Garde for calling on the 'management' to back him and to explain things he cannot and should not be expected to. I bet he cannot believe the shambles and unprofessional mess he has walked into. I just hope he has the patience and backing to sort it out or we will be on a downward trajectory for a good while to come.
I do give him credit for that. The fact he's come out and said it in the press also confirms just how shambolically run the club is (if there were any doubts). He's essentially having to try and get some backing from his chairman via the press. It's a ridiculous season. I feel sorry for Remi. Unless he finds some momentum somehow, he'll be absolutely destroyed. There are some things a manager can't recover from at a club. If we go down it's not his fault and we are gone, but if we can't even notch a few wins on the board I honestly can't see him turning things around, short of tearing the squad book up completely and starting again in the summer and such wholesale change in of itself brings problems.
It's an impossible job, and the state of which we were in probably would have suited someone coming in swinging their bollocks around and tearing through the dressing room like a Tazmanian devil. Someone like Pearson. Yes long term he'd be shit but we need blood and thunder not a more considered approach. It's all too late now anyhow.

So I'm really hoping Remi can get 2-3 signings this window to at least give himself the chance of turning things around. He'd have been far better taking over if we'd been steadied, like if this was 2011. Sadly it's not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 12, 2016, 05:08:05 PM
I flipped open my Gary Abblett on return from work and tapped the BBC Sport icon.

Banner headlines

GARDE GETS 3000

My mind reeled. Is that our January budget?  Does he plan to sign the entire Conference and pick a new squad from it? Are the nearest 3000 tickets to seats nearest the dugout to be for Remi's mates?

Breathe again it was Garde La Victoire winning Mark Johnston's 3000th jumps race.

An omen?
Title: Re: stopping the rot
Post by: Martin Wadsworth on January 12, 2016, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 12, 2016, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: trevor fisher on January 12, 2016, 11:17:14 AM
I agree with Andy Townsend on the behaviour of Lescott and Guzan at Wycombe. How can Lescott claim to be a Villa fan and do what he did?

Their reaction may have come as a result of being verbally abused on more than that occasion. Leaning into the dugout should not be allowed and stewards should have stopped it. Despite all that, the gum spitting nonsense shows disrespect and better standards should be enforced. Guzan may be smug, expecting to be rested only for cup games. If I was the manager, I would drop him tonight, Lescott also, depending on availability of players.

Haha! Guzan dropped.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2016, 09:40:03 PM
Congratulations Remi, you got an excellent performance out of the team today.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2016, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2016, 09:40:03 PM
Congratulations Remi, you got an excellent performance out of the team today.

That's what I've been wanting to see!  Brave and strong team selection, dropping wasters, and getting a performance like that out of them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2016, 09:46:05 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 12, 2016, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2016, 09:40:03 PM
Congratulations Remi, you got an excellent performance out of the team today.

That's what I've been wanting to see!  Brave and strong team selection, dropping wasters, and getting a performance like that out of them.

Yep it was a performance with fight, passion and quality.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on January 12, 2016, 09:48:24 PM
thankyou mr garde
1st of many me hopes
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 12, 2016, 09:50:38 PM
Thank you Garde. I just wanted to enjoy watching my team play again. I did.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2016, 09:54:37 PM
Oh and the difference between Sherwood and Garde, other than intelligence and integrity, is Garde realises that Veretout and Ayew are quality players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 12, 2016, 09:55:33 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2016, 09:54:37 PM
Oh and the difference between Sherwood and Garde, other than intelligence and integrity, is Garde realises that Veretout and Ayew are quality players.
I love Ayew and I want his babies.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2016, 09:59:20 PM
Lescott stood up tonight as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 12, 2016, 10:04:41 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2016, 09:59:20 PM
Lescott stood up tonight as well.
He was Laursen-esque tonight. To be honest I thought he was good in the little run of games he played with Okore, particularly the clean sheet against West Ham and Southampton. They're our best (or least frightening) partnership.
Today was exactly the response to give after the alleged incident on saturday.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2016, 10:06:39 PM
That squad didn't look as divided either. The reaction of the bench was quite telling.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2016, 10:08:52 PM
Good to see Grealish's tweet on the BBC too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on January 12, 2016, 10:11:06 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2016, 10:06:39 PM
That squad didn't look as divided either. The reaction of the bench was quite telling.

Whether it was being called out by the fans, or by Remi, maybe it was both, but they all did seem to step up and play for each other tonight.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 12, 2016, 10:34:40 PM
He and the fans have made it clear to every single player now that the very least expected is 100% commitment, if you can't put a shift in you're getting dropped and getting it in the neck. A win Saturday and 3 decent players in the window, it's a long shot but it doesn't look as impossible as this morning.

He got something out of them at last, it gives us hope that he can get more from them. I hope the belief throbs through the team and we do a job on Leicester.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on January 12, 2016, 10:37:16 PM
If we can come out with a positive result at the weekend, then I think we will see Wycombe have their arses handed to them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2016, 04:04:09 AM
Garde has clearly called out certain players and is beginning to get his message through to players and the board. Maybe he tried his best to play nice initially and has now said fuck it. My way or get out out. It's kind of what Sir a Graham had to do all those years back. Impose his will on the club. We need this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on January 13, 2016, 07:22:52 AM
The Leicester game is our game of the season win it and we will be back in the mix and confidence will be phenomenal lose and the championship gets ever closer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 13, 2016, 09:59:38 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on January 13, 2016, 07:22:52 AM
The Leicester game is our game of the season win it and we will be back in the mix and confidence will be phenomenal lose and the championship gets ever closer.
Only a win will do really. It's the only way we're going to build momentum, and it's very much the last point of which it'll go from cutting it fine to "too little too late."
Plus if we were to win two home games on the spin that will go a hell of a long way to febreezing the stink out of Villa park. And then our next game at home would be Wycombe which we've got to be winning, and whilst they're league 2, if we could get 3 wins on the spin it may even make clubs think twice about turning up at Villa Park with their three points already pencilled onto the league table. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2016, 10:02:07 AM
After Leicester we have Albion, West Ham, Norwich and Liverpool. 10 pts from that...... we couldn't could we? It's the hope that kills you.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2016, 10:04:25 AM
It's worth noting that we don't really have any period of games like we normally do which look a complete nightmare on paper. If Remi gets  a few players in the key positions we know we need and we beat Leicester and get something against Albion, who knows.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2016, 10:07:23 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?

Probably not but the feeling today beats feeling like everyone at my club are shysters and free loaders and we'll end up with 8 pts. I'm just enjoying the respite and feeling of a win and today I'll believe there's a chance of staying up :)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 13, 2016, 10:10:02 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?
Absolutely.
It's the only way we'll stay up.

We shouldn't be as bad as we've been. Palace, Leicester and West Ham have all punched above their weight. I don't think we've actually got much between us in terms of quality. Likewise we should be competing with West fucking Brom.

This is a run of games we've got to be fancying if we still have any ambition of surviving. It's the last point at which we have a run of games we could possibly build some momentum with. Not losing is essential but at least 3 wins in the next 4 is probably required. Absolutely bare minimum.

If everyone gives 100% and we catch the opposition on a bad day, we should pick up results.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2016, 10:12:26 AM
Beat Leicester and the stripeys twats will be bricking it knowing that if we do them as well they've probably kick started our survival run again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 13, 2016, 10:14:24 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?
I don't think anyone's saying we are going to go on a title winning run.

It felt great to come away with three points last night. Although the goal was a tad fortuitous we deserved the result overall.

We're now on eleven points. We've seventeen games to go - if we can win seven of those and add some draws as well it may be enough. That's a big upturn in our own form and to be fair perhaps the odds are against us, but it's not title form as some of the pundits have been saying.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:15:02 AM
I see the big IFs are making a comeback.

If IF IF IF
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 13, 2016, 10:16:37 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:15:02 AM
I see the big IFs are making a comeback.

If IF IF IF

Of course the big IFs are back. They gave us hope last night and where there's hope there's a chance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 13, 2016, 10:17:23 AM
It's the hope that kills you
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on January 13, 2016, 10:20:25 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?

That's football!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Martin Wadsworth on January 13, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?

If we don't snatch at this glimmer of hope then we may as well throw the towel in. Why can't we enjoy the moment and look forward to beating Leicester?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on January 13, 2016, 10:26:19 AM
We have practically zero chance of staying up.

We have already had lots of winnable/non loseable games this season. In fact Everton / Spuds away aside I can't think off hand of any really really difficult games. Even Arsenal at home we played them after they had an away trip in Europe - previously their achiles heel.

We failed to take points in 10 games where we would have with a bit more organisation and application.

We haven't put 2 decent performances together for a long time and our 3 previous performances were in games against frankly speaking pretty crap opposition including 2 shameful surrenders v teams we needed to beat.

That said - better application and a bit more footballing brain should see us avoid anymore unwanted records and set us up good foundations for next season's slog in the 2nd tier.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on January 13, 2016, 10:34:39 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 13, 2016, 10:12:26 AM
Beat Leicester and the stripeys twats will be bricking it knowing that if we do them as well they've probably kick started our survival run again.

Would be hilarious to see the meltdown in Sandwell as they all start bricking it that 'The Vile are gona escape again!!' 'Why do we always gift these points??'

Big game Saturday before then, but with some confidence at last.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on January 13, 2016, 10:36:43 AM
I still think we'll be relegated, though I have a bit more hope that we might not go down completely without dignity.

I do get the feeling, though, that Garde can get us straight back up. He wants to play good football but he also clearly brooks no bullshit, and with a proper bit of preparation he could be a success in the Championship.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 13, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?

If we don't snatch at this glimmer of hope then we may as well throw the towel in. Why can't we enjoy the moment and look forward to beating Leicester?
By all means enjoy the moment, but thinking we are staying up is futile. We still have no reliable goalscorer, an untested Goalkeeper and seemingly no one wanting to join us in this transfer window.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2016, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 13, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?

If we don't snatch at this glimmer of hope then we may as well throw the towel in. Why can't we enjoy the moment and look forward to beating Leicester?
By all means enjoy the moment, but thinking we are staying up is futile.

Who has said that we're staying up?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 13, 2016, 10:43:22 AM
Is it not possible to just enjoy our first home win of the season?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on January 13, 2016, 10:44:33 AM
Quote from: Monty on January 13, 2016, 10:36:43 AM
I still think we'll be relegated, though I have a bit more hope that we might not go down completely without dignity.

I do get the feeling, though, that Garde can get us straight back up. He wants to play good football but he also clearly brooks no bullshit, and with a proper bit of preparation he could be a success in the Championship.

That's my feeling too.

Get rid over the next 5 months of Gabby, CNZ, Richardson, Guzan, Clark, Sinclair, Richards for starters. Lazy and/or poisonous and too associated with ongoing failure.

See how Lescott, Westwood and Bacuna get on for rest of the season.

Most of the others deserve a chance - hopefully we can keep hold of Ayew and Veretout and Okore.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on January 13, 2016, 10:47:58 AM
It's been mentioned a million times but it's worth restating: for all the punditocracy bleating about our untried, non-Premier League fruity foreigners, our best players have definitely been the imports, and our worst players those signed from within England.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on January 13, 2016, 10:50:57 AM
Quote from: Monty on January 13, 2016, 10:47:58 AM
It's been mentioned a million times but it's worth restating: for all the punditocracy bleating about our untried, non-Premier League fruity foreigners, our best players have definitely been the imports, and our worst players those signed from within England.

Agreed, if we had a team with the quality of Amavi/Veretout/Ayews all over the pitch we'd be okay. British based signings Sinclair, Richards, Gestede etc. have underperformed and players signed in previous windows left in the squad haven't been good enough for a long time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2016, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: Monty on January 13, 2016, 10:36:43 AM
I still think we'll be relegated, though I have a bit more hope that we might not go down completely without dignity.

I do get the feeling, though, that Garde can get us straight back up. He wants to play good football but he also clearly brooks no bullshit, and with a proper bit of preparation he could be a success in the Championship.

I agree. I believe that's the style Remi wants us to play, albeit with more precision as it develops, and if that's the case we would batter the Championship and do pretty well in the top flight as well. Maybe Duverne's fitness regime is starting to pay dividends, we pressed for the entire 90 minutes yesterday.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Martin Wadsworth on January 13, 2016, 11:13:22 AM
Quote from: Dave on January 13, 2016, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 13, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?

If we don't snatch at this glimmer of hope then we may as well throw the towel in. Why can't we enjoy the moment and look forward to beating Leicester?
By all means enjoy the moment, but thinking we are staying up is futile.

Who has said that we're staying up?

Great thing about last night was that those who were in the crowd thought 'sod it, why can't we enjoy it?' The eruptions of joy when we scored, and at the final whistle, were worth being there for. From little acorns....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Witton Warrior on January 13, 2016, 11:18:55 AM
If we could cross with quality we would be dangerous!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 13, 2016, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: hoyle87 on January 13, 2016, 10:50:57 AM
Quote from: Monty on January 13, 2016, 10:47:58 AM
It's been mentioned a million times but it's worth restating: for all the punditocracy bleating about our untried, non-Premier League fruity foreigners, our best players have definitely been the imports, and our worst players those signed from within England.

Agreed, if we had a team with the quality of Amavi/Veretout/Ayews all over the pitch we'd be okay. British based signings Sinclair, Richards, Gestede etc. have underperformed and players signed in previous windows left in the squad haven't been good enough for a long time.
Makes a mockery of all this "PL experience" shite.
The players with most PL experience are Guzan and the defence of Hutton, Richards, Lescott and Richardson and they have been consistently poor, lacking cohesion and full of basic, schoolboy errors!
Evidence if ever it was needed that it's complete bollocks, but you'll still get the Lawrensons of this world saying we lack PL experience.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on January 13, 2016, 11:26:52 AM
Clark also has plenty of PL experience, and Gestede is a very 'English' style player with a few years of playing in this country behind him. Westwood is also 'experienced' in English football. Adama has less experience of this country than Grealish, but which of them has looked more dangerous?

In fact, the best indicator of whether or not a player will be good for us is indeed experience of playing in England - ie, if they have it, they'll be shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2016, 11:29:49 AM
Westwood looked so much better yesterday with a forward who actually moves like a forward should.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 13, 2016, 11:32:13 AM
Quote from: Witton Warrior on January 13, 2016, 11:18:55 AM
If we could cross with quality we would be dangerous!


We really miss Amavi from that respect. 

Although credit to Bacuna and Cissokho I thought both were excellent last night and Bacuna in the last ten minutes was reading the game very well and driving us on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on January 13, 2016, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: Monty on January 13, 2016, 10:47:58 AM
It's been mentioned a million times but it's worth restating: for all the punditocracy bleating about our untried, non-Premier League fruity foreigners, our best players have definitely been the imports, and our worst players those signed from within England.

Yup.

I had a bit of disagreement with one of my work colleagues- genuinely nice bloke - over this.

Said we should look to sign Crouch. I said why - he'll cost a couple of million and 40-50k per week and would want a contract of at least 2.5 years. Though Crouch is genuine pro he could easily degrade like Cole, Richardson, Lescott until recently etc.. leaving us with more debt.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on January 13, 2016, 11:43:50 AM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 13, 2016, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: hoyle87 on January 13, 2016, 10:50:57 AM
Quote from: Monty on January 13, 2016, 10:47:58 AM
It's been mentioned a million times but it's worth restating: for all the punditocracy bleating about our untried, non-Premier League fruity foreigners, our best players have definitely been the imports, and our worst players those signed from within England.

Agreed, if we had a team with the quality of Amavi/Veretout/Ayews all over the pitch we'd be okay. British based signings Sinclair, Richards, Gestede etc. have underperformed and players signed in previous windows left in the squad haven't been good enough for a long time.
Makes a mockery of all this "PL experience" shite.
The players with most PL experience are Guzan and the defence of Hutton, Richards, Lescott and Richardson and they have been consistently poor, lacking cohesion and full of basic, schoolboy errors!
Evidence if ever it was needed that it's complete bollocks, but you'll still get the Lawrensons of this world saying we lack PL experience.

There is only one Lawrenson. Thankfully. There are many other lazy dimwits in punditry who echo his bollocks but he has got away with it for far too long.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2016, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on January 13, 2016, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: Monty on January 13, 2016, 10:47:58 AM
It's been mentioned a million times but it's worth restating: for all the punditocracy bleating about our untried, non-Premier League fruity foreigners, our best players have definitely been the imports, and our worst players those signed from within England.

Yup.

I had a bit of disagreement with one of my work colleagues- genuinely nice bloke - over this.

Said we should look to sign Crouch. I said why - he'll cost a couple of million and 40-50k per week and would want a contract of at least 2.5 years. Though Crouch is genuine pro he could easily degrade like Cole, Richardson, Lescott until recently etc.. leaving us with more debt.

Crouch wouldn't command wages anything like that.

Just like there's no way Derby are paying Bent what he was earning with us and we won't be paying Lescott what he was earning at Man City. As players get to his age their wages drop considerably.

He's now 35, his next two year contract will be for £25,000 per week tops.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 13, 2016, 01:06:29 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:15:02 AM
I see the big IFs are making a comeback.

If IF IF IF


Of course it's IF. We can't sit here and say 'when' we'll beat Leicester because we might not.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: shipscat on January 13, 2016, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 13, 2016, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on January 13, 2016, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: Monty on January 13, 2016, 10:47:58 AM
It's been mentioned a million times but it's worth restating: for all the punditocracy bleating about our untried, non-Premier League fruity foreigners, our best players have definitely been the imports, and our worst players those signed from within England.

Yup.

I had a bit of disagreement with one of my work colleagues- genuinely nice bloke - over this.

Said we should look to sign Crouch. I said why - he'll cost a couple of million and 40-50k per week and would want a contract of at least 2.5 years. Though Crouch is genuine pro he could easily degrade like Cole, Richardson, Lescott until recently etc.. leaving us with more debt.

Crouch wouldn't command wages anything like that.

Just like there's no way Derby are paying Bent what he was earning with us and we won't be paying Lescott what he was earning at Man City. As players get to his age their wages drop considerably.

He's now 35, his next two year contract will be for £25,000 per week tops.
Plus he's on a free at the end of the season...Although I suspect there will be a few takers for him
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on January 13, 2016, 01:32:17 PM
Sensible and realistic. We are not going to be in the PL next year but that needn't be the disaster some think.

Let's not tie all and sundry to survival in PL
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 13, 2016, 01:46:22 PM
What we should expect from the players is that they go out to try and win every game and let the points take care of themselves.

If it does not happen, it does not happen. Revisit the points situation with 6 games to go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2016, 01:54:37 PM
Quote from: shipscat on January 13, 2016, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 13, 2016, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on January 13, 2016, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: Monty on January 13, 2016, 10:47:58 AM
It's been mentioned a million times but it's worth restating: for all the punditocracy bleating about our untried, non-Premier League fruity foreigners, our best players have definitely been the imports, and our worst players those signed from within England.

Yup.

I had a bit of disagreement with one of my work colleagues- genuinely nice bloke - over this.

Said we should look to sign Crouch. I said why - he'll cost a couple of million and 40-50k per week and would want a contract of at least 2.5 years. Though Crouch is genuine pro he could easily degrade like Cole, Richardson, Lescott until recently etc.. leaving us with more debt.

Crouch wouldn't command wages anything like that.

Just like there's no way Derby are paying Bent what he was earning with us and we won't be paying Lescott what he was earning at Man City. As players get to his age their wages drop considerably.

He's now 35, his next two year contract will be for £25,000 per week tops.
Plus he's on a free at the end of the season...Although I suspect there will be a few takers for him

End of next season - he signed a two year extension last January.

Although it wouldn't be a huge surprise if they let him leave for a pretty nominal fee to get his wages off the books.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2016, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on January 13, 2016, 01:32:17 PM
Sensible and realistic. We are not going to be in the PL next year but that needn't be the disaster some think.

Let's not tie all and sundry to survival in PL

Indeed and I think most people aren't from this position. It's about getting performances like that every week and developing from there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 13, 2016, 02:26:21 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:15:02 AM
I see the big IFs are making a comeback.

If IF IF IF


How about just try and enjoy yesterday for what it was? It wasn't a flukey win and we played well, IF we can repeat that we'll be on the right track. That doesn't mean we won't be relegated, but it sure as hell means we'll be in a good position to come back up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 13, 2016, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 13, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?

If we don't snatch at this glimmer of hope then we may as well throw the towel in. Why can't we enjoy the moment and look forward to beating Leicester?
By all means enjoy the moment, but thinking we are staying up is futile. We still have no reliable goalscorer, an untested Goalkeeper and seemingly no one wanting to join us in this transfer window.

We've got as much chance of stopping up as there is of you stopping moaning. Is that fair enough?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 13, 2016, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 13, 2016, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 13, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?

If we don't snatch at this glimmer of hope then we may as well throw the towel in. Why can't we enjoy the moment and look forward to beating Leicester?
By all means enjoy the moment, but thinking we are staying up is futile. We still have no reliable goalscorer, an untested Goalkeeper and seemingly no one wanting to join us in this transfer window.

We've got as much chance of stopping up as there is of you stopping moaning. Is that fair enough?

We really are doomed then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 13, 2016, 04:01:11 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:15:02 AM
I see the big IFs are making a comeback.

If IF IF IF


I've said it before but if supporting a football club brings anyone so much misery that they can't even be slightly happy when their team wins then it really is time to find a new hobby.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 13, 2016, 04:16:19 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 13, 2016, 11:46:48 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on January 13, 2016, 11:41:06 AM
Quote from: Monty on January 13, 2016, 10:47:58 AM
It's been mentioned a million times but it's worth restating: for all the punditocracy bleating about our untried, non-Premier League fruity foreigners, our best players have definitely been the imports, and our worst players those signed from within England.

Yup.

I had a bit of disagreement with one of my work colleagues- genuinely nice bloke - over this.

Said we should look to sign Crouch. I said why - he'll cost a couple of million and 40-50k per week and would want a contract of at least 2.5 years. Though Crouch is genuine pro he could easily degrade like Cole, Richardson, Lescott until recently etc.. leaving us with more debt.

Crouch wouldn't command wages anything like that.

Just like there's no way Derby are paying Bent what he was earning with us and we won't be paying Lescott what he was earning at Man City. As players get to his age their wages drop considerably.

He's now 35, his next two year contract will be for £25,000 per week tops.

You're not factoring in the stupid new TV deal, and the fact that he's still a 'name' and a player who has never relied on pace.  I could easily see him earning 40k plus, as that's the equivalent of 25k in new TV deal money.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 13, 2016, 05:14:13 PM
When I first saw Peter Crouch play at Dulwich Hamlet, the Hamlet players were on total wages of £80 a week for a win, £20 for a draw, Nothing if they lost.  That was nearly 20 years ago but it illustrates the gulf between the clubs, a gulf which continues to grow.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 13, 2016, 06:03:35 PM
Yeah, but Dulwich is a hamlet whereas Stoke is a city.  Bound to get more.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 13, 2016, 06:11:15 PM
Stoke isn't really a city. Just a collection of shit holes under one banner. Like a small Greater Manchester if you will.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 13, 2016, 06:20:03 PM
But one house in Dulwich sells for more than a street of houses in Hanley, Burslem, Fenton, Longton or Stoke.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 13, 2016, 06:27:26 PM
Mmmmm ...

but! by definition there's not many houses in a hamlet whereas in a city there's loads of houses, a few hotels, a couple of utilities and some railway stations in a city.   Clearly there's more wealth overall to afford players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 13, 2016, 06:32:15 PM
Houses cost more in London than in Stoke shocker.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 13, 2016, 06:38:11 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 13, 2016, 06:32:15 PM
Houses cost more in London than in Stoke shocker.

they have houses in sturke?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 13, 2016, 06:53:22 PM
My comments about property prices are not an indication that I approve of either the massively inflated London ones or the equally depressed Staffordshire ones. I find Dulwich an obnoxious place.  The Potteries is equally awful in its own way but with the great advantage of being populated by more friendly people.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 13, 2016, 07:26:08 PM
Good old H&V.

Nothing like an attempt at humour to spark a disagreement ....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on January 13, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
so the Garde got his first win on the Board, how much of that was to Villa fans spelling the truth out on Saturday??
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 13, 2016, 07:33:41 PM
My intentions were entirely light hearted oldhill. Sorry if you thought I was point scoring.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2016, 08:20:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 13, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
so the Garde got his first win on the Board, how much of that was to Villa fans spelling the truth out on Saturday??

I expect that bellend shouting things at the team bus forced Wayne Hennessey to drop the ball through his own legs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 13, 2016, 08:25:55 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 13, 2016, 08:20:02 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 13, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
so the Garde got his first win on the Board, how much of that was to Villa fans spelling the truth out on Saturday??

I expect that bellend shouting things at the team bus forced Wayne Hennessey to drop the ball through his own legs.
Yes when the corner came over Lescott thought I am f****** c*** if I don't get to this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 13, 2016, 11:13:14 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 13, 2016, 06:32:15 PM
Houses cost more in London than in Stoke shocker.

Rooms in houses in London cost more than houses in Stoke, surely?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 13, 2016, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 13, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?

If we don't snatch at this glimmer of hope then we may as well throw the towel in. Why can't we enjoy the moment and look forward to beating Leicester?
By all means enjoy the moment, but thinking we are staying up is futile. We still have no reliable goalscorer, an untested Goalkeeper and seemingly no one wanting to join us in this transfer window.

We've got as much chance of stopping up as you stopping Being realistic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 13, 2016, 11:31:34 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 13, 2016, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 13, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?

If we don't snatch at this glimmer of hope then we may as well throw the towel in. Why can't we enjoy the moment and look forward to beating Leicester?
By all means enjoy the moment, but thinking we are staying up is futile. We still have no reliable goalscorer, an untested Goalkeeper and seemingly no one wanting to join us in this transfer window.

We've got as much chance of stopping up as you stopping Being realistic.



If  realism means that I'd have to spend so much time being miserable that I can't hear about the occasional piece of good news without finding something to moan about it then I'd rather not be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 13, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
so the Garde got his first win on the Board, how much of that was to Villa fans spelling the truth out on Saturday??

I'm going to have a stab at "absolutely zero".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 11:52:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 13, 2016, 11:31:34 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 13, 2016, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 13, 2016, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 10:05:13 AM
We beat palace at home by a scrappy goal and now we are going to go on a title winning form run!Really?

If we don't snatch at this glimmer of hope then we may as well throw the towel in. Why can't we enjoy the moment and look forward to beating Leicester?
By all means enjoy the moment, but thinking we are staying up is futile. We still have no reliable goalscorer, an untested Goalkeeper and seemingly no one wanting to join us in this transfer window.

We've got as much chance of stopping up as you stopping Being realistic.



If  realism means that I'd have to spend so much time being miserable that I can't hear about the occasional piece of good news without finding something to moan about it then I'd rather not be.
Fair enough, I am in England right now, I would normally have done everything I could to use this opportunity to get to the game. I could not face it after watching the abysmal performance at Wycombe which was just a continuation of abject failure that has become the norm for this club. I find it pretty remarkable that people then criticise people for being realistic. I think this is part of the wider problem that so called spokes people fail to call it for what it is and jump on people for daring to question the ethos of this club and where it has placed us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 13, 2016, 11:58:05 PM
I genuinely don't understand that. If I didn't live in the UK anymore so rarely got the chance to watch us in person, I wouldn't care how shit we were i'd bust a gut to be there just because it's such a rarity to be able to watch us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 14, 2016, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 11:52:58 PM
Fair enough, I am in England right now, I would normally have done everything I could to use this opportunity to get to the game. I could not face it after watching the abysmal performance at Wycombe which was just a continuation of abject failure that has become the norm for this club. I find it pretty remarkable that people then criticise people for being realistic. I think this is part of the wider problem that so called spokes people fail to call it for what it is and jump on people for daring to question the ethos of this club and where it has placed us.

I find it pretty remarkable that even after we've won some of our supporters are still moaning about everything, and have now taken to criticising those of us who actually celebrate such an event.  And just for the avoidance of doubt, who are those "so called spoke people" and where are they jumping on  anyone?   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Martin Wadsworth on January 14, 2016, 12:10:59 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 14, 2016, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 11:52:58 PM
Fair enough, I am in England right now, I would normally have done everything I could to use this opportunity to get to the game. I could not face it after watching the abysmal performance at Wycombe which was just a continuation of abject failure that has become the norm for this club. I find it pretty remarkable that people then criticise people for being realistic. I think this is part of the wider problem that so called spokes people fail to call it for what it is and jump on people for daring to question the ethos of this club and where it has placed us.

I find it pretty remarkable that even after we've won some of our supporters are still moaning about everything, and have now taken to criticising those of us who actually celebrate such an event.  And just for the avoidance of doubt, who are those "so called spoke people" and where are they jumping on  anyone?   

I was struggling with this, due to several apparent quote fails. If I read it right, someone has come from Chicago, presumably to watch a couple of games. However, after witnessing the poor game at Wycombe, they decided not to go to the Palace game. Because we won that game, the person from Chicago got all arsey about it. Bizarre in the extreme.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 14, 2016, 12:12:49 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 14, 2016, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 11:52:58 PM
Fair enough, I am in England right now, I would normally have done everything I could to use this opportunity to get to the game. I could not face it after watching the abysmal performance at Wycombe which was just a continuation of abject failure that has become the norm for this club. I find it pretty remarkable that people then criticise people for being realistic. I think this is part of the wider problem that so called spokes people fail to call it for what it is and jump on people for daring to question the ethos of this club and where it has placed us.

I find it pretty remarkable that even after we've won some of our supporters are still moaning about everything, and have now taken to criticising those of us who actually celebrate such an event.  And just for the avoidance of doubt, who are those "so called spoke people" and where are they jumping on  anyone?   


Everyone's pleased with the win, but that one win doesn't change this season from being anything but a disaster from day one. A couple more in the next two weeks and some of the most negative posters might start to come around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2016, 12:15:47 AM
CL, I don't get it. You come over to England and you purposefully don't take the opportunity to watch a club you are meant to love? Unless I was coming over week and could pick and choose when I could watch Villa I'd take every opportunity to watch us. In fact I book my trips when I can come over based in large part on the schedule hoping to watch us more than once. Irrespective of how things are going at the time.

Things aren't great, but the other night we played really well against a side who has had a really good season. They just went to Southampton in the cup and won, and we outplayed them for most of the game and you cannot find anything to be happy about? If Villa winning doesn't make you happy and especially after so many months, why bother with following the club at all?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2016, 12:18:05 AM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 14, 2016, 12:10:59 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 14, 2016, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2016, 11:52:58 PM
Fair enough, I am in England right now, I would normally have done everything I could to use this opportunity to get to the game. I could not face it after watching the abysmal performance at Wycombe which was just a continuation of abject failure that has become the norm for this club. I find it pretty remarkable that people then criticise people for being realistic. I think this is part of the wider problem that so called spokes people fail to call it for what it is and jump on people for daring to question the ethos of this club and where it has placed us.

I find it pretty remarkable that even after we've won some of our supporters are still moaning about everything, and have now taken to criticising those of us who actually celebrate such an event.  And just for the avoidance of doubt, who are those "so called spoke people" and where are they jumping on  anyone?   

I was struggling with this, due to several apparent quote fails. If I read it right, someone has come from Chicago, presumably to watch a couple of games. However, after witnessing the poor game at Wycombe, they decided not to go to the Palace game. Because we won that game, the person from Chicago got all arsey about it. Bizarre in the extreme.

It could be lost in the quote fails but I don't think CL was at Wycombe, he watched it on tv or a stream.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Martin Wadsworth on January 14, 2016, 12:19:20 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2016, 12:15:47 AM
CL, I don't get it. You come over to England and you purposefully don't take the opportunity to watch a club you are meant to love? Unless I was coming over week and could pick and choose when I could watch Villa I'd take every opportunity to watch us. In fact I book my trips when I can come over based in large part on the schedule hoping to watch us more than once. Irrespective of how things are going at the time.

Things aren't great, but the other night we played really well against a side who has had a really good season. They just went to Southampton in the cup and won, and we outplayed them for most of the game and you cannot find anything to be happy about? If Villa winning doesn't make you happy and especially after so many months, why bother with following the club at all?

Just what I was saying. Very strange.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 14, 2016, 08:50:50 AM
I think we have to accept that there will always be those who use extraneous issues in their lives, like an affiliation of sorts to a particular football team to excise other personal conflicts.  Being the besieged defiant minority taking on all comers fits their self image.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 14, 2016, 08:58:08 AM
I think CL was trying to suggest that we shouldn't get carried away which was fair enough, but the fact that he couldn't even post something positive about winning was a bit odd.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 14, 2016, 09:04:16 AM
Sadly I find Chicago Lion's ambivalence to a good victory entirely predictable. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Martin Wadsworth on January 14, 2016, 09:16:37 AM
I just hope that CL remains in the country for the Leicester game, where he may join the happy band of IF people.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 14, 2016, 11:05:37 AM
Go down CL, i reckon you'll regret it if you don't.

I had 1 week back in the midlands 2 years ago, saw us get stuffed against Spuds in the LC but then beat Man Citeh on the Saturday. Funnily enough I enjoyed both games equally just because I was at Villa Park again.

When you're so long away it's always worth it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on January 14, 2016, 01:10:31 PM
I'm only across the water in Ireland but avail of every opportunity to go down the Villa whenever I'm home.  I just have to, no matter how shit we are.  I honestly can't remember the last time I saw us win, beat Bolton five something, but I relish every minute spent in Villa Park and its environs.

I now have the added bonus of being in there with my son and grandsons a truly wonderful experience.  Also, I try and make a point of meeting H&V posters and letting Woodhall relieve me of some money.

Never pass up the opportunity CL, as said above; you'll regret it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on January 14, 2016, 07:15:11 PM
As far as I am concerned I'll be at VP for the Leicester game, with some Latin Lions mates.
The more the Villa sinks the more we love it!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 14, 2016, 07:22:12 PM
See you in the Bartons, Archie.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on January 14, 2016, 07:32:33 PM
Maybe after the game mate, as I have been invited in the Lions Lounge for the pre-match.... Frank knows.....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on January 14, 2016, 07:35:39 PM
Having a moan about fans enjoying a win but didn't fancy going coz we were poor against Wycombe I don't understand , I fucking loved our first home win and wouldn't have missed it for the world.
As an aside can we have 'Heroes' by David Bowie as our new entrance song?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 14, 2016, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 13, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
so the Garde got his first win on the Board, how much of that was to Villa fans spelling the truth out on Saturday??

I'm going to have a stab at "absolutely zero".

Dunno paulie, that could have been a factor in their preparation for the game and the togetherness I hear they showed - a " we owe them something after that shite we served up in Wycombe" type tng. Saturday may have been a wake up call, as until now the fans have been pretty supportive.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: joe_c on January 14, 2016, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 14, 2016, 09:04:16 AM
Sadly I find Chicago Lion's ambivalence to a good victory entirely predictable.

Haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 14, 2016, 10:07:10 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on January 14, 2016, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 13, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
so the Garde got his first win on the Board, how much of that was to Villa fans spelling the truth out on Saturday??

I'm going to have a stab at "absolutely zero".

Dunno paulie, that could have been a factor in their preparation for the game and the togetherness I hear they showed - a " we owe them something after that shite we served up in Wycombe" type tng. Saturday may have been a wake up call, as until now the fans have been pretty supportive.

And if it assisted in getting Guzan dropped....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 15, 2016, 04:32:31 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 14, 2016, 10:07:10 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on January 14, 2016, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 13, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
so the Garde got his first win on the Board, how much of that was to Villa fans spelling the truth out on Saturday??

I'm going to have a stab at "absolutely zero".

Dunno paulie, that could have been a factor in their preparation for the game and the togetherness I hear they showed - a " we owe them something after that shite we served up in Wycombe" type tng. Saturday may have been a wake up call, as until now the fans have been pretty supportive.

And if it assisted in getting Guzan dropped....
Not that I condone quite the verocity of some (particularly the bloke outside the team coach), but I do think there must have been some effect. It wasn't until the Wycombe game that the squad would have seen so close up, just how bad the mood has become for Villa fans. Now we're not all raving lunatics, but we're hurting and sometimes it takes more than some booing on 90 minutes to really register it.

The fact is we've not put in anything like the shift we did at Palace, all season. It's the first game where I can confidently say that everyone seemed to try their best and work hard for each other. Some of the performances previously have been utterly pathetic. Not merely the lack in quality but the lack in application and cohesion.

We won't go and give gobby bollocks the keys to Villa park just yet (or access to the carpark after games) but I do think the fans mood really hit home at the Wycombe game more than any other. Garde knew he had to really shake things up. Some players probably had a good long hard look at themselves and some players probably decided to put aside any friction they may have had with some other teammates, because we've too often played like every player thinks all his other team-mates are a bunch of c**ts. I do wonder if there was some team meeting in order to address splits and tension within the camp and just for some to say "fuck it, we've got to pull together here." This lot don't have to like each other. They don't need to hold hands and take windy walks but they do have to play like a team and fight for each other when they step onto the pitch. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 16, 2016, 10:50:40 PM
The last two games have confirmed what I already thought, relegation or not Remi is definitely the guy for us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 16, 2016, 10:58:39 PM
He is starting to get them playing for him. As he is tactically way more astute than Timmy, or indeed TSM2, I really hope he is given backing to create his own side next season to come back. Look at what Karanka is doing at Boro. What is his record now this season? is he up to 8 points in 11 games? I said after Sunderland if he can manage a point a game or more from there I would be happy that there is progress being made. I think we have seen that start. Keep it up now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on January 16, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
I think it's really unlucky that he'll be the manager who goes down in history as relegating us, officially. Hopefully he can also promote us back to wipe that out, because he does seem like the real thing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 16, 2016, 11:00:48 PM
yep. He's made some mistakes, he's persisted with certain players too long, but part of that is figuring out what he needs and what he wants. But there is now visible improvement and forward momentum. We have something to build on now, and beat Wycombe we will go into the Albion game in a much stronger frame of mind. We can only control our own results and we can have an influence on the results of those around us by applying pressure. But we must strengthen to give ourselves any hope at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 16, 2016, 11:06:53 PM
I think even if he does get an incredible up turn and gets us to say 35-36 points, the safety line this season I reckon will be 42 ish
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ger Regan on January 16, 2016, 11:12:53 PM
I do wonder how much of the slow start was down to the disgraceful conditioning of the players when he arrived. I can forgive sherwood his tactical deficiencies, but there's really no excuse for allowing a team to be that unfit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 16, 2016, 11:13:48 PM
good point Ger, they do look a lot fitter don't they?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Martin Wadsworth on January 16, 2016, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 14, 2016, 10:07:10 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on January 14, 2016, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 13, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
so the Garde got his first win on the Board, how much of that was to Villa fans spelling the truth out on Saturday??

I'm going to have a stab at "absolutely zero".

Dunno paulie, that could have been a factor in their preparation for the game and the togetherness I hear they showed - a " we owe them something after that shite we served up in Wycombe" type tng. Saturday may have been a wake up call, as until now the fans have been pretty supportive.

And if it assisted in getting Guzan dropped....

I can't accept that the actions of a few chavs should be given any credit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 16, 2016, 11:48:08 PM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 16, 2016, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 14, 2016, 10:07:10 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on January 14, 2016, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 13, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
so the Garde got his first win on the Board, how much of that was to Villa fans spelling the truth out on Saturday??

I'm going to have a stab at "absolutely zero".

Dunno paulie, that could have been a factor in their preparation for the game and the togetherness I hear they showed - a " we owe them something after that shite we served up in Wycombe" type tng. Saturday may have been a wake up call, as until now the fans have been pretty supportive.

And if it assisted in getting Guzan dropped....

I can't accept that the actions of a few chavs should be given any credit.

Me neither, Dennis.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Martin Wadsworth on January 17, 2016, 12:01:03 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 16, 2016, 11:48:08 PM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 16, 2016, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 14, 2016, 10:07:10 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on January 14, 2016, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 13, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
so the Garde got his first win on the Board, how much of that was to Villa fans spelling the truth out on Saturday??

I'm going to have a stab at "absolutely zero".

Dunno paulie, that could have been a factor in their preparation for the game and the togetherness I hear they showed - a " we owe them something after that shite we served up in Wycombe" type tng. Saturday may have been a wake up call, as until now the fans have been pretty supportive.

And if it assisted in getting Guzan dropped....

I can't accept that the actions of a few chavs should be given any credit.

Me neither, Dennis.

Ok Reg. Know what I mean, nudge nudge?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 17, 2016, 12:01:59 AM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 17, 2016, 12:01:03 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 16, 2016, 11:48:08 PM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 16, 2016, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 14, 2016, 10:07:10 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on January 14, 2016, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 13, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
so the Garde got his first win on the Board, how much of that was to Villa fans spelling the truth out on Saturday??

I'm going to have a stab at "absolutely zero".

Dunno paulie, that could have been a factor in their preparation for the game and the togetherness I hear they showed - a " we owe them something after that shite we served up in Wycombe" type tng. Saturday may have been a wake up call, as until now the fans have been pretty supportive.

And if it assisted in getting Guzan dropped....

I can't accept that the actions of a few chavs should be given any credit.

Me neither, Dennis.

Ok Reg. Know what I mean, nudge nudge?

How many times is it now, cobber? Any idea?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Martin Wadsworth on January 17, 2016, 12:03:01 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 17, 2016, 12:01:59 AM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 17, 2016, 12:01:03 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 16, 2016, 11:48:08 PM
Quote from: Martin Wadsworth on January 16, 2016, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 14, 2016, 10:07:10 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on January 14, 2016, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on January 13, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
so the Garde got his first win on the Board, how much of that was to Villa fans spelling the truth out on Saturday??

I'm going to have a stab at "absolutely zero".

Dunno paulie, that could have been a factor in their preparation for the game and the togetherness I hear they showed - a " we owe them something after that shite we served up in Wycombe" type tng. Saturday may have been a wake up call, as until now the fans have been pretty supportive.

And if it assisted in getting Guzan dropped....

I can't accept that the actions of a few chavs should be given any credit.

Me neither, Dennis.

Ok Reg. Know what I mean, nudge nudge?

How many times is it now, cobber? Any idea?

Now with you there, youth.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on January 17, 2016, 03:22:59 PM
I like the fact that he's not afraid to drop players and give someone else a chance. You just know with Sherwood or Lambert that Guzan and Agbonlahor would be playing every game they are available for.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 17, 2016, 03:40:49 PM
Agree ez. He finally seems to be imposing his will on the team.
Sadly the quality is not there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villa for life on January 17, 2016, 04:42:30 PM
Not his greatest fan but open minded. LVG and Klopp have not been able to yield instant results, either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 17, 2016, 05:49:01 PM
If he gets 100% from his players then you can't ask for any more. Two games running he has. I hope he keeps it up. Not only that his picked a decent line-up, dropped certain players who really needed it, and he also made a good substition last night which switched the dynamic of the game.
If we can see a continued progression he'll be a decent long term solution.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 17, 2016, 09:56:49 PM
Quote from: villa for life on January 17, 2016, 04:42:30 PM
Not his greatest fan but open minded. LVG and Klopp have not been able to yield instant results, either.

And they are working with a damn sight better quality of player than Garde has inherited.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 17, 2016, 09:59:01 PM
Talks the talk, but yet to walk the walk I think.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 17, 2016, 10:04:05 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 17, 2016, 09:59:01 PM
Talks the talk, but yet to walk the walk I think.

I'd like to see him adopt a b-boy limp for the Wycombe game.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 17, 2016, 10:41:54 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 17, 2016, 09:59:01 PM
Talks the talk, but yet to walk the walk I think.
So he's not started turning around a squad that a one point looked like it might not score another goal this season, let alone pick up another point?

He's not taken a fractured squad that couldn't be arsed and got them at least playing for each other and giving 100%?

He's not weeded out and binned the wasters and trouble makers?

Results have been nowhere near what we wanted or needed, but I think it's only now that we're starting to see how big a mess things were in when we binned Sherwood.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 17, 2016, 10:47:26 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 17, 2016, 10:04:05 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 17, 2016, 09:59:01 PM
Talks the talk, but yet to walk the walk I think.

I'd like to see him adopt a b-boy limp for the Wycombe game.

Starting from the ramp at New St, just outside McDonalds.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on January 17, 2016, 10:51:19 PM
I really like what Remi is trying to do here, it's going to be a huge task as our belief and team spirit was sucked out of us completely when he arrived. That was also by the sounds of it compounded by fitness and lack of discipline.

The team seem to be pulling together and trying to adopt his ideas and putting up a fight.

How that toe rag Jenas gets a job talking about football when he's spent most of his career on the treatment table is beyond me. Did he really play for us? So he reckons our only way out of trouble is to play long ball is it?

What is it with these pundits getting work and talking a load of bollocks about things they know fuck all about.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 17, 2016, 10:59:10 PM
Quote from: Ian J on January 17, 2016, 10:51:19 PM
I really like what Remi is trying to do here, it's going to be a huge task as our belief and team spirit was sucked out of us completely when he arrived. That was also by the sounds of it compounded by fitness and lack of discipline.

The team seem to be pulling together and trying to adopt his ideas and putting up a fight.

How that toe rag Jenas gets a job talking about football when he's spent most of his career on the treatment table is beyond me. Did he really play for us? So he reckons our only way out of trouble is to play long ball is it?

What is it with these pundits getting work and talking a load of bollocks about things they know fuck all about.

As it always was, as it is and as it probably always will be.

Sound bites for the hard of thinking to further promote the required narrative.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on January 17, 2016, 11:02:41 PM
To me it was a Jenas having a dig at Remi and his tactics, but how he can do that when he doesn't know what is going on. It was just as bad as the bollocks Moyes spouted about Huth's challenge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 17, 2016, 11:14:53 PM
Quote from: Ian J on January 17, 2016, 11:02:41 PM
To me it was a Jenas having a dig at Remi and his tactics, but how he can do that when he doesn't know what is going on. It was just as bad as the bollocks Moyes spouted about Huth's challenge.

A case of sticking up for his mate Timmy?

Can't have these foreign types coming over here and getting better results than those plucky, underrated, young, British managers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on January 17, 2016, 11:21:42 PM
He probably was, of course Tim would have got us playing and would probably got the best out of Gabby.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on January 17, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
I am a big fan of Remi Garde. To me, he seems one of the more competent people we have had in a position of authority in the last half decade.

I really hope he sticks around long-term.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 18, 2016, 09:00:07 AM
Agree I V.  As for Moyes you have to remember how tribal the Scots are. He probably has ties of friendship with McLeish and Lambert and loathes us for the perfectly justified criticism we heaped on them.  Aston Villa treat Scottish managers unfairly is, to use VID's expression, the required narrative.  Kozak could have left the field with his head in a carrier bag and Moyes would have said no foul.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2016, 09:16:39 AM
Little bit of a generalization there Brian.  It might just as easily be true to say that they don't know each other very well at all, or don't like each other much as a result of being on the wrong side of the Old Firm divide.  Who knows.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: fbriai on January 18, 2016, 09:27:19 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 17, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
I am a big fan of Remi Garde. To me, he seems one of the more competent people we have had in a position of authority in the last half decade.

I really hope he sticks around long-term.

I completely agree with this.

I think he really knows what he's doing and where he wants to go.

Let's hope he gets there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 18, 2016, 09:42:37 AM
Still not sure about Remi , but what I will stand corrected on, was the fact I thought he was making no progress, that would be a very unfair statement after the last two performances, is it enough to keep us up, if he does I will consider letting my wife has his children.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 18, 2016, 09:47:24 AM
Take your comment about generalising Riss. Monday morning calls and brevity rules. I do know from racing contact a director of a club at which one of the Scots worked that he is a friend of Moyes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 18, 2016, 09:53:14 AM
Mcleish I have on good authority is a very nice guy and the perfect partner over a pint, he is also distanced from the old firm by being a highlander, which most of them have no time at all for the Glasgow bigotry, but also a very proud Scot, so what Brian says I should imagine has alot about it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 18, 2016, 10:08:28 AM
McLeish is from Glasgow.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 18, 2016, 10:28:39 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on January 18, 2016, 10:08:28 AM
McLeish is from Glasgow.

Who managed Rangers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 11:50:26 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 18, 2016, 10:28:39 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on January 18, 2016, 10:08:28 AM
McLeish is from Glasgow.

Who managed Rangers.

I met him once and he was a really nice bloke.
Title: Remi - Acertain Dignity and Class
Post by: FarEastVilla on January 18, 2016, 11:51:08 AM
Not sure what other fellow Villa Brothers  and Sisters think but I feel Remy has a certain dignity and class befitting our great club

I like the way he conducts himself , namely class intellect and principles - he arrived and did not accommodate the antics of Jack the Lad or Gabby. He seems to have taken stock of all around him , even going out on a limb and asking the board to give explanations and although looking shocked after the Wycombe game in relations to fans reaction diplomatically stated that it was a wake up call the players needed. I am sure he has time to develop as a manager and I hope he does. I for one was sceptical that he could cut it in the Championship , but I am starting to see that he could cut it there and even keep us up. He is a class act and given half the time us fans gave his pre-predecessors I am convinced he will come good - given the Neanderthal mentality of the modern footballer. In the pas there has been a certain class and dignity with all our managers that were successful and loved Villa with a passion , I hope Remy continues in the same wake. My only reservation is that he might not be able to handle English lady boy mentality of some of our players but he should have no problem with the more sophisticated continental.


In Garde We Trust

UTV








Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2016, 11:59:34 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 11:50:26 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 18, 2016, 10:28:39 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on January 18, 2016, 10:08:28 AM
McLeish is from Glasgow.

Who managed Rangers.

I met him once and he was a really nice bloke.

Well that's something you've got in common with Randy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on January 18, 2016, 12:02:31 PM
McLeish was a nice bloke but was the wrong bloke. He will always be the most confusing decision made by Villa in my lifetime unless something truly astounding takes place.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 12:03:01 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 18, 2016, 11:59:34 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 11:50:26 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on January 18, 2016, 10:28:39 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on January 18, 2016, 10:08:28 AM
McLeish is from Glasgow.

Who managed Rangers.

I met him once and he was a really nice bloke.

Well that's something you've got in common with Randy.

I wouldn't be dumb enough to give him a job at the Villa though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 12:03:37 PM
Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on January 18, 2016, 12:02:31 PM
McLeish was a nice bloke but was the wrong bloke. He will always be the most confusing decision made by Villa in my lifetime unless something truly astounding takes place.

Agreed. Nothing even comes close.
Title: Re: Reme - Acertain Dignity and Class
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 12:12:40 PM
I don't think he's done nearly enough as a Villa manager for the fans to be waxing so lyrical just yet.
Title: Re: Reme - Acertain Dignity and Class
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 18, 2016, 12:20:42 PM
Who's Remy?
Title: Re: Remi - Acertain Dignity and Class
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on January 18, 2016, 12:27:22 PM
I do like him, but then I thought Sherwood was a breath of fresh air after the dourness of Lambert and bland-but-nice-guy McLeish.  However, Garde does seem to have a level of composure about him which is reassuring and I trust him to sort out the issues on the playing side, given time.

As much as I loved him, I'm not sure I'd ever associate the words "class" and "dignity" with Big Ron, though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on January 18, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 12:12:40 PM
I don't think he's done nearly enough as a Villa manager for the fans to be waxing so lyrical just yet.

Agreed.  The last couple of performances have been promising but Villa are still in a very grim place.  If we beat the Albion though it will be a nice little bit of credit he can put in the bank.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 18, 2016, 12:44:42 PM
Quote from: not3bad on January 18, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
If we beat the Albion though it will be a nice little bit of credit he can put in the bank.

Sherwood beat the Albion twice in a week.

We're rock bottom of the league, showing signs that we are improving from being absolute shite to being just shite. If I was to judge Garde at the moment, I wouldn't be very positive. Probably too early to judge him either way though. I hope he stays if he's good, I hope he gets sacked if he isn't
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on January 18, 2016, 01:23:38 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 18, 2016, 12:44:42 PM
Quote from: not3bad on January 18, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
If we beat the Albion though it will be a nice little bit of credit he can put in the bank.

Sherwood beat the Albion twice in a week.


Indeed, and despite everything that has happened since that counts in his favour.  I saw both matches and left them feeling elated.  That feeling is what I watch football for.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 18, 2016, 02:02:39 PM
Quote from: not3bad on January 18, 2016, 01:23:38 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 18, 2016, 12:44:42 PM
Quote from: not3bad on January 18, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
If we beat the Albion though it will be a nice little bit of credit he can put in the bank.

Sherwood beat the Albion twice in a week.


Indeed, and despite everything that has happened since that counts in his favour.  I saw both matches and left them feeling elated.  That feeling is what I watch football for.

Can't argue with that. The cup win against them was one of last season's highlights.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2016, 02:17:07 PM
Quote from: not3bad on January 18, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 12:12:40 PM
I don't think he's done nearly enough as a Villa manager for the fans to be waxing so lyrical just yet.

Agreed.  The last couple of performances have been promising but Villa are still in a very grim place.  If we beat the Albion though it will be a nice little bit of credit he can put in the bank.

Villa are in a grim place and have been for some time, but I think that makes the fact that Remi has managed to get us playing like a team all the more impressive.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on January 18, 2016, 03:21:07 PM
I'll be honest and admit that my view on him is changing.  I dismissed him as not having what it takes, however I now realise the size and depth of the issue that he's dealing with.  I'm not expecting us to stay up - I've accepted that relegation is all but certain, however if the upturn in application and fight - and the removal of the dead wood - is maintained I think he can get us pushing for a swift return next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2016, 04:23:06 PM
when you look at the Championship table and you see Burnley and Hull in the mix, then honestly, with an kind of plan, and a manager who has his wits about him, it can't be that hard getting out. I know clubs have come down and sunk but so many of them were so burdened with debt or controversy compounded by more debt and controversy. We will start next season miles ahead of any of those clubs that really fucked it up after relegation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on January 18, 2016, 04:28:50 PM
I like Garde and it appears that the club are trying to put the right sort of structures in place so there is some cause for hoping that things are going to improve. Then you remember our unerring ability to fuck things up over recent years and that optimism is tempered. I am agnostic at present.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2016, 04:34:40 PM
I don't disagree and understand why until the glaring fuck ups are rectified anyone would be justified in being sceptical. But all of those clubs relegated to the Championship are less than perfect in one way or another, otherwise they wouldn't be there. And I will always point to Newcastle United who we all laughed at and continue to do so, and they pissed it with games to play with Chris Hughton as manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 18, 2016, 04:55:36 PM
I agree with TV yet I've heard so many pundits who have already written us off for NEXT season it's untrue.

They've overlooked the fact that a) we don't know where we're going to finish this season yet, and b) the squad personell is likely to be very different come August.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 18, 2016, 05:21:57 PM
The most important thing was, and remains, that rigor mortis does not set in between now and the end of the season. I am sure Remi Garde knows that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: glasses on January 18, 2016, 05:28:56 PM
He seems to have realised that we don't have the quality to play our way out of it. We just don't. What I have been impressed by is the effort levels, team spirit and desire to work hard for the cause have been increased. I don't think it will be enough to keep us up, but very much seems to be how teams get out of the championship, so long may it continue. I'd stick with Remi even if we go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 18, 2016, 05:29:04 PM
I'm amazed that some people can't see that Garde clearly has a massive job on his hands and is starting to do really well at turning it round. We actually were competitive in our last two games. He also managed to realise we had a serviceable left back at the club and brought him back and our defence has looked much better since. It makes me think if he could sign the players he wants we might do ok. He's changing the culture of the club and needs time to do that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 18, 2016, 05:37:19 PM
We've lost 3 of our last 9 games. At the same time we've only won 1, but there is a definite improvement even if it isn't as big as we'd like, or we need to stay up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: nick harper on January 18, 2016, 06:02:32 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 18, 2016, 05:37:19 PM
We've lost 3 of our last 9 games. At the same time we've only won 1, but there is a definite improvement even if it isn't as big as we'd like, or we need to stay up.

Worth bearing in mind that when Sir Brian replaced Atkinson in 94 after 8 league defeats in 9, he only won 1 of his first 9 and things were not quite as bleak at they are this season. Only just stayed up that season.

I like the way Garde is going about things. He is giving me some hope of better times even if it's not in this league.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on January 18, 2016, 06:38:51 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 18, 2016, 04:28:50 PM
I like Garde and it appears that the club are trying to put the right sort of structures in place so there is some cause for hoping that things are going to improve. Then you remember our unerring ability to fuck things up over recent years and that optimism is tempered. I am agnostic at present.

I've enrolled in the Cult of the Suicidal  ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 18, 2016, 09:08:43 PM
don't - it's not good for your health. People just get uglier and you have no sense of time
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on January 18, 2016, 09:17:34 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on January 18, 2016, 09:08:43 PM
don't - it's not good for your health. People just get uglier and you have no sense of time

Hahaha! Why thank you. Very good advice.
Title: Re: Reme - Acertain Dignity and Class
Post by: LTA on January 18, 2016, 09:26:06 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 12:12:40 PM
I don't think he's done nearly enough as a Villa manager for the fans to be waxing so lyrical just yet.

Me neither.  As I said.  Talks the talk, but yet to walk the walk.

Jury is still out as to whether to keep him if we manage to stop up.  Definitely get rid if we go down in think though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 18, 2016, 09:27:15 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 18, 2016, 09:26:06 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 12:12:40 PM
I don't think he's done nearly enough as a Villa manager for the fans to be waxing so lyrical just yet.

Me neither.  As I said.  Talks the talk, but yet to walk the walk.

Jury is still out as to whether to keep him if we manage to stop up.  Definitely get rid if we go down in think though.

Why?

And replace him with who?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 18, 2016, 09:32:07 PM
One win in 12 games? Hardly a glowing review is it?

The Championship will need a battler and someone who knows the league.  Not convinced Garde ticks either box
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 18, 2016, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 18, 2016, 09:26:06 PM
Jury is still out as to whether to keep him if we manage to stop up.

Eh? The manager who puts together the most amazing escape from relegation, probably ever and the jury would be out as to whether we keep him?

We're not staying up, but what possible argument would you have for removing him if we did?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 09:37:54 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 18, 2016, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 18, 2016, 09:26:06 PM
Jury is still out as to whether to keep him if we manage to stop up.

Eh? The manager who puts together the most amazing escape from relegation, probably ever and the jury would be out as to whether we keep him?

We're not staying up, but what possible argument would you have for removing him if we did?

Christ if he keeps this lot up I'd sign the entire club over to him and make him chairman as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 18, 2016, 09:38:33 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 09:37:54 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 18, 2016, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 18, 2016, 09:26:06 PM
Jury is still out as to whether to keep him if we manage to stop up.

Eh? The manager who puts together the most amazing escape from relegation, probably ever and the jury would be out as to whether we keep him?

We're not staying up, but what possible argument would you have for removing him if we did?

Christ if he keeps this lot up I'd sign the entire club over to him and make him chairman as well.

Well, quite.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on January 18, 2016, 09:39:25 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 18, 2016, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 18, 2016, 09:26:06 PM
Jury is still out as to whether to keep him if we manage to stop up.

Eh? The manager who puts together the most amazing escape from relegation, probably ever and the jury would be out as to whether we keep him?

We're not staying up, but what possible argument would you have for removing him if we did?
we are staying up just wait
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 18, 2016, 09:42:16 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 18, 2016, 09:32:07 PM
One win in 12 games? Hardly a glowing review is it?

The Championship will need a battler and someone who knows the league.  Not convinced Garde ticks either box

Like Karanka, Neil, Jokanovic, Clement...

That sort of bruising Championship expert?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 18, 2016, 09:43:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 18, 2016, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 18, 2016, 09:26:06 PM
Jury is still out as to whether to keep him if we manage to stop up.

Eh? The manager who puts together the most amazing escape from relegation, probably ever and the jury would be out as to whether we keep him?

We're not staying up, but what possible argument would you have for removing him if we did?

Sherwood kept us up against the odds last season.  Ok not from as bleak a position, but ultimately he wouldn't have kept us up this season.

Seen little evidence so far to suggest Garde would be any different.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 18, 2016, 09:57:12 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 18, 2016, 09:43:00 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 18, 2016, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 18, 2016, 09:26:06 PM
Jury is still out as to whether to keep him if we manage to stop up.

Eh? The manager who puts together the most amazing escape from relegation, probably ever and the jury would be out as to whether we keep him?

We're not staying up, but what possible argument would you have for removing him if we did?

Sherwood kept us up against the odds last season.  Ok not from as bleak a position, but ultimately he wouldn't have kept us up this season.

And you can't see any distinction between being 18th in the table and in the bottom three on goal-difference (the position Sherwood found us in) and being ten points adrift of 17th (the deficit that Garde would have to make up which you would still potentially want to sack him for)?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on January 18, 2016, 10:23:10 PM
Of all the bozos associated with Villa in recent times, Remi Garde comes across as intelligent, sincere and dignified. He's walked into a world of shit, and is gradually sorting things out. I'm backing him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 18, 2016, 10:29:28 PM
I hope he stays I really do. But he has not been backed at all. I think he will be off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 18, 2016, 10:33:03 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 18, 2016, 10:29:28 PM
I hope he stays I really do. But he has not been backed at all. I think he will be off.

What makes you think he hasn't been backed?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 18, 2016, 10:36:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 18, 2016, 10:33:03 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 18, 2016, 10:29:28 PM
I hope he stays I really do. But he has not been backed at all. I think he will be off.

What makes you think he hasn't been backed?

He appears to be quite pragmatic and might be thinking that he would rather save the money and have a complete clear out in the summer.  If we had been in a better position after Xmas, things might have been very different.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 18, 2016, 10:41:58 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 18, 2016, 10:36:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 18, 2016, 10:33:03 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 18, 2016, 10:29:28 PM
I hope he stays I really do. But he has not been backed at all. I think he will be off.

What makes you think he hasn't been backed?

He appears to be quite pragmatic and might be thinking that he would rather save the money and have a complete clear out in the summer.  If we had been in a better position after Xmas, things might have been very different.

Seems feasible. Given we have no chance of staying up and we know you tend not to get good value in January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 18, 2016, 10:49:17 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 18, 2016, 10:33:03 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 18, 2016, 10:29:28 PM
I hope he stays I really do. But he has not been backed at all. I think he will be off.

What makes you think he hasn't been backed?

The lack of any new players :)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on January 18, 2016, 10:50:13 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 18, 2016, 10:23:10 PM
Of all the bozos associated with Villa in recent times, Remi Garde comes across as intelligent, sincere and dignified. He's walked into a world of shit, and is gradually sorting things out. I'm backing him.
Moi aussi, monsieur
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 18, 2016, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 18, 2016, 10:23:10 PM
Of all the bozos associated with Villa in recent times, Remi Garde comes across as intelligent, sincere and dignified. He's walked into a world of shit, and is gradually sorting things out. I'm backing him.
Not that we have much choice but I agree.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on January 18, 2016, 10:53:42 PM
Has Garde really come to Villa to tread water, wait for relegation to hit and only then plan for the future? Sorry, really don't get that mentality. Surely he will want to start planning now and buy the best he can get regardless of our position?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2016, 11:08:47 PM
I've heard it all now.

Sack a manager for keeping us up. Sack him if he doesn't. From a position that is virtually the worst ever. With a squad that's just not up to it (that he didn't buy) with all myriad of backroom problems.

Just what exactly do you want?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 18, 2016, 11:16:34 PM
Quote from: Newby on January 18, 2016, 10:53:42 PM
Has Garde really come to Villa to tread water, wait for relegation to hit and only then plan for the future? Sorry, really don't get that mentality. Surely he will want to start planning now and buy the best he can get regardless of our position?

If he has a limited budget which he obviously does wouldn't he be better off using it when he gets more return for his money? The January window is horrible, prices inflated by the newcastles throwing money at problems, nobody really good wanting to jump mid season. If we'd had better results over xmas and new year I'd be in favour of rolling the dice but our next decisive game will be in the championship so why should remi pretend otherwise?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 11:45:53 PM
Quote from: Drummond on January 18, 2016, 11:08:47 PM
I've heard it all now.

Sack a manager for keeping us up. Sack him if he doesn't. From a position that is virtually the worst ever. With a squad that's just not up to it (that he didn't buy) with all myriad of backroom problems.

Just what exactly do you want?



To avoid relegation and show a bit of ambition. Is that over the top?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claretandbeer on January 19, 2016, 12:05:21 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2016, 11:45:53 PM
Quote from: Drummond on January 18, 2016, 11:08:47 PM
I've heard it all now.

Sack a manager for keeping us up. Sack him if he doesn't. From a position that is virtually the worst ever. With a squad that's just not up to it (that he didn't buy) with all myriad of backroom problems.

Just what exactly do you want?



To avoid relegation and show a bit of ambition. Is that over the top?
We all agree with your sentiments but with this owner ,like Ellis before him ,unwilling to splash out serious money,transfer dealings have to be sensible.This transfer window is rarely that .In our position expensive signings now probably won't alter our fate but expensive mistakes could damage next season's prospects.Good players ,like Bent did,will not jump ship to join us now.The mercenaries,the NZogbias of the football world,might and we don't need any more of them .It seems harsh but if we have to wait to the summer to get reasonable players at reasonable prices,then so be it. It's not being unambitious,it's being pragmatic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 19, 2016, 07:17:31 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 18, 2016, 10:49:17 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 18, 2016, 10:33:03 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 18, 2016, 10:29:28 PM
I hope he stays I really do. But he has not been backed at all. I think he will be off.

What makes you think he hasn't been backed?

The lack of any new players :)

Maybe the players he is after are not available for whatever reason. That doesn't mean we haven't tried to get them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 19, 2016, 07:23:37 AM
Quote from: Clampy on January 19, 2016, 07:17:31 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 18, 2016, 10:49:17 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 18, 2016, 10:33:03 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 18, 2016, 10:29:28 PM
I hope he stays I really do. But he has not been backed at all. I think he will be off.

What makes you think he hasn't been backed?

The lack of any new players :)

Maybe the players he is after are not available for whatever reason. That doesn't mean we haven't tried to get them.
Stop being unreasonable.

We should identify our targets, kidnap their families and not let them go until they've signed for us.

Other than that we're stuck as a result of the gap to 17th. No matter how much ground work may or may not have been done in November and December, or even before then, come January 2nd with the table looking how it looked, anyone lined up would still have been within their rights to say "f##k that for a laugh."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
It would be madness to not sign any players if we were in a relegation fight however......
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 19, 2016, 07:29:41 AM
Quote from: olaftab on January 19, 2016, 07:28:15 AM
It would be madness to not sign any players if we were in a relegation fight however......

I think we'll struggle to attract anyone who we're battling with for the signature.

Players who need games before Euro 2016 might come on loan, but only if they're short of offers.

Remi and Debuchy would be good signings, I can't see them happening :(
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 19, 2016, 09:04:07 AM
Newcastle are on the back pages this morning being reported to be about to throw another £100million at their problem on top of the money they wheelbarrowed to Swansea for Shelvey.  If we get Remy and Debuchy, I will back us all day long to outperform the barcodes between now and the end of the season. Rolling the dice by a pathetically weak owner and stupid bumbling managers has done the damage.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 19, 2016, 09:06:47 AM
I'm not brown nosing here Brian but totally on the money again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 19, 2016, 09:17:27 AM
Thank you Mr U. Must not forget your Valentine card.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 19, 2016, 09:30:34 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 19, 2016, 09:04:07 AM
Newcastle are on the back pages this morning being reported to be about to throw another £100million at their problem on top of the money they wheelbarrowed to Swansea for Shelvey.  If we get Remy and Debuchy, I will back us all day long to outperform the barcodes between now and the end of the season. Rolling the dice by a pathetically weak owner and stupid bumbling managers has done the damage.
Given his earlier problems up there after the initial "I'm one of the lads" bollocks, that kind of thing is naked populism to try and head off trouble.  If they manage to stay up (I think they will anyway) and spend that money, that will be the next X years transfer budget on short term fixes here and now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 19, 2016, 10:36:53 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 19, 2016, 09:30:34 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 19, 2016, 09:04:07 AM
Newcastle are on the back pages this morning being reported to be about to throw another £100million at their problem on top of the money they wheelbarrowed to Swansea for Shelvey.  If we get Remy and Debuchy, I will back us all day long to outperform the barcodes between now and the end of the season. Rolling the dice by a pathetically weak owner and stupid bumbling managers has done the damage.
Given his earlier problems up there after the initial "I'm one of the lads" bollocks, that kind of thing is naked populism to try and head off trouble.  If they manage to stay up (I think they will anyway) and spend that money, that will be the next X years transfer budget on short term fixes here and now.

Conversely, if they spend that money and go down, they could be looking at a very bleak future.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 19, 2016, 11:22:54 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 19, 2016, 10:36:53 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 19, 2016, 09:30:34 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 19, 2016, 09:04:07 AM
Newcastle are on the back pages this morning being reported to be about to throw another £100million at their problem on top of the money they wheelbarrowed to Swansea for Shelvey.  If we get Remy and Debuchy, I will back us all day long to outperform the barcodes between now and the end of the season. Rolling the dice by a pathetically weak owner and stupid bumbling managers has done the damage.
Given his earlier problems up there after the initial "I'm one of the lads" bollocks, that kind of thing is naked populism to try and head off trouble.  If they manage to stay up (I think they will anyway) and spend that money, that will be the next X years transfer budget on short term fixes here and now.

Conversely, if they spend that money and go down, they could be looking at a very bleak future.
Exactly.  That was one of the things everyone was taking the piss out of QPR over last season.

Mind you they never did get that punishment for overspending the year that they came up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: prmort on January 19, 2016, 01:19:02 PM
I would have thought that tonight's team would provide indication as to the ambition of the club to stay in the Prem.
A weakened team should only be played to rest players for the baggies. If the league has been written off, they may as well
play tonight and attempt a cup run.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 19, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: prmort on January 19, 2016, 01:19:02 PM
I would have thought that tonight's team would provide indication as to the ambition of the club to stay in the Prem.
A weakened team should only be played to rest players for the baggies. If the league has been written off, they may as well
play tonight and attempt a cup run.
Disagree, it's the Stripey Filth, there is no way we should be going into that game without the intent of winning regardless of our league position.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2016, 02:19:02 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 19, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: prmort on January 19, 2016, 01:19:02 PM
I would have thought that tonight's team would provide indication as to the ambition of the club to stay in the Prem.
A weakened team should only be played to rest players for the baggies. If the league has been written off, they may as well
play tonight and attempt a cup run.
Disagree, it's the Stripey Filth, there is no way we should be going into that game without the intent of winning regardless of our league position.

I don't think there's a single scenario where we'll be going into Saturday 'without the intent of winning' regardless of what starting 11 is tonight.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve R on January 19, 2016, 07:43:04 PM
Quote from: Monty on January 16, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
I think it's really unlucky that he'll be the manager who goes down in history as relegating us, officially. Hopefully he can also promote us back to wipe that out, because he does seem like the real thing.

The last two managers to inherit a bombing team and stay to get us up were Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe, so if that's the way it pans out he will be in very good company.

I hope he does stay if we do go down, it's unlikely he's get the sack but he could walk. Rather than laud the antics of a few at Wycombe, I'd rather they wound their collective necks in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 19, 2016, 08:47:45 PM
Quote from: Steve R on January 19, 2016, 07:43:04 PM
Quote from: Monty on January 16, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
I think it's really unlucky that he'll be the manager who goes down in history as relegating us, officially. Hopefully he can also promote us back to wipe that out, because he does seem like the real thing.

The last two managers to inherit a bombing team and stay to get us up were Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe, so if that's the way it pans out he will be in very good company.

I hope he does stay if we do go down, it's unlikely he's get the sack but he could walk. Rather than laud the antics of a few at Wycombe, I'd rather they wound their collective necks in.

He'll have been in charge for well over half a season.  It won't even bad luck, it'll be total incompetence and he cannot possibly be at the club next year if we go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 19, 2016, 08:48:44 PM
It's not his fault he has to sort out and work with the shambles he has inherited.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2016, 08:53:18 PM
He's inherited a bloody awful squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 19, 2016, 08:56:45 PM
Sanchez is another one that needs moving on, brief flashes of competency but on the whole diabolical. What's he to do with some of these blokes? Half of them look shite and the other 40% like they can't be arsed playing football anymore.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2016, 10:11:49 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 19, 2016, 08:47:45 PM
Quote from: Steve R on January 19, 2016, 07:43:04 PM
Quote from: Monty on January 16, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
I think it's really unlucky that he'll be the manager who goes down in history as relegating us, officially. Hopefully he can also promote us back to wipe that out, because he does seem like the real thing.

The last two managers to inherit a bombing team and stay to get us up were Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe, so if that's the way it pans out he will be in very good company.

I hope he does stay if we do go down, it's unlikely he's get the sack but he could walk. Rather than laud the antics of a few at Wycombe, I'd rather they wound their collective necks in.

He'll have been in charge for well over half a season.  It won't even bad luck, it'll be total incompetence and he cannot possibly be at the club next year if we go.

Frankly that is a load of bollocks.

We had 4 points after 11 games when he came, and a very undercooked squad. No manager would have turned that round. I reckon so far he has been at fault directly for the Norwich and Sunderland results, and has learnt his lesson from those games.

Beyond that, he now has what, 8 points from 11 games himself? So half as bad as Sherwood so far. He needs to be given at least the summer window to rebuild a side in his style, which I think will get us out of that division.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2016, 10:19:27 PM
Yep agreed that was an absolutely ridiculous post.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on January 19, 2016, 10:23:47 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 19, 2016, 08:47:45 PM
Quote from: Steve R on January 19, 2016, 07:43:04 PM
Quote from: Monty on January 16, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
I think it's really unlucky that he'll be the manager who goes down in history as relegating us, officially. Hopefully he can also promote us back to wipe that out, because he does seem like the real thing.

The last two managers to inherit a bombing team and stay to get us up were Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe, so if that's the way it pans out he will be in very good company.

I hope he does stay if we do go down, it's unlikely he's get the sack but he could walk. Rather than laud the antics of a few at Wycombe, I'd rather they wound their collective necks in.

He'll have been in charge for well over half a season.  It won't even bad luck, it'll be total incompetence and he cannot possibly be at the club next year if we go.
That's absolute rubbish. Like others have said he inherited a poor squad down on its knees. The mistakes made in the summer like not purchasing a decent striker, not replacing Guzan after dropping him last season and not playing the three new French lads regularly from the off.

He's had to come into a disjointed unharmonous dressing room and sort too much out. Probably a lot more than he or us ever anticipated.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve R on January 20, 2016, 08:50:25 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 19, 2016, 08:47:45 PM
Quote from: Steve R on January 19, 2016, 07:43:04 PM
Quote from: Monty on January 16, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
I think it's really unlucky that he'll be the manager who goes down in history as relegating us, officially. Hopefully he can also promote us back to wipe that out, because he does seem like the real thing.

The last two managers to inherit a bombing team and stay to get us up were Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe, so if that's the way it pans out he will be in very good company.

I hope he does stay if we do go down, it's unlikely he's get the sack but he could walk. Rather than laud the antics of a few at Wycombe, I'd rather they wound their collective necks in.

He'll have been in charge for well over half a season.  It won't even bad luck, it'll be total incompetence and he cannot possibly be at the club next year if we go.

So you would have got rid of Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe too?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 20, 2016, 09:12:11 AM
The thing Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe had in abundance was a quality totally absent in the last five years at Villa Park, the respect of the supporters.   Vic was an iron hard man who would make James Milner look like Charlie N'Zogbia and Joe has the road to the Ethiad named in his memory.  The quality that shone through them both was character.  I believe Remi Garde is cut from the same cloth.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on January 20, 2016, 10:15:17 AM
It's understandable of course but I think there's a real risk that the nihilism and unfocused negativity of fans will do us great harm in the coming months.

I'm in the camp that thinks remi is the real deal and a manager we will want around for a long time (and one we were lucky to get given out situation). There has to be some recognition that he (or whoever has his job) is going to have to take us through a bloody hard transition, with regards to culture, atmosphere, ethos as well as the quality of the players.

Fans need to be focused in their criticism or it counts for nothing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 20, 2016, 10:32:11 AM
I think Remi has shown an understanding as well towards the fans predicament, when it's been 5 years of pain it will come to a head and patience is at snapping point, I think some of his comments after incidents have been understanding of that. I think he's a good un, the criticism I had of him was that he wasn't experimenting enough, Richardson, Westwood, Gestede, in the team when he could have tried other alternatives. He has done now. I don't think he's the most gung ho, attacking coach, but we will be organised and we will play good football once he's rooted out the bad eggs, he's the first in a while that's had the balls to attempt it. He has my support.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claretandbeer on January 20, 2016, 10:46:29 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 20, 2016, 09:12:11 AM
The thing Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe had in abundance was a quality totally absent in the last five years at Villa Park, the respect of the supporters.   Vic was an iron hard man who would make James Milner look like Charlie N'Zogbia and Joe has the road to the Ethiad named in his memory.  The quality that shone through them both was character.  I believe Remi Garde is cut from the same cloth.
Vic Crowe's commitment to the club and his playing career deserve respect but I don't understand this admiration of him as a manager.
His record entails not avoiding relegation to Div 3,not an easy task but we weren't too far adrift.We finished 4th with a League Cup final and then Champions in Div 3.His high  win ratio is cited but that's in Div 3. Can't really crow about that ! His record in Div 2 is 103 Pts from 100 matches with  2 Pts for a win ,finishing 3rd and then 14th.
His programme notes talked about testing the bath water,Saunders' we're about 110% effort and getting the right result.His supporters would talk about him stabilising the club but we finished 3 Pts behind mighty Halifax and his tenure ended in 14 th place in Division 2 despite an expensively assembled squad and an array of young talent .




Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 20, 2016, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: claretandbeer on January 20, 2016, 10:46:29 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 20, 2016, 09:12:11 AM
The thing Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe had in abundance was a quality totally absent in the last five years at Villa Park, the respect of the supporters.   Vic was an iron hard man who would make James Milner look like Charlie N'Zogbia and Joe has the road to the Ethiad named in his memory.  The quality that shone through them both was character.  I believe Remi Garde is cut from the same cloth.
Vic Crowe's commitment to the club and his playing career deserve respect but I don't understand this admiration of him as a manager.
His record entails not avoiding relegation to Div 3,not an easy task but we weren't too far adrift.We finished 4th with a League Cup final and then Champions in Div 3.His high  win ratio is cited but that's in Div 3. Can't really crow about that ! His record in Div 2 is 103 Pts from 100 matches with  2 Pts for a win ,finishing 3rd and then 14th.
His programme notes talked about testing the bath water,Saunders' we're about 110% effort and getting the right result.His supporters would talk about him stabilising the club but we finished 3 Pts behind mighty Halifax and his tenure ended in 14 th place in Division 2 despite an expensively assembled squad and an array of young talent .






We didn't come straight back up because of the small matter of a League Cup run that included beating Manchester United getting in the way. In the following season we broke just about every record in winning the third division, in the one after that we were the last team to finish third and not get promoted and the side you call expensively assembled in fact had hardly anything spent on it, with the chairman midway through saying there was no more money unless the club's star player was sold, which he was, during the season.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on January 20, 2016, 10:55:47 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 20, 2016, 10:32:11 AM
I think Remi has shown an understanding as well towards the fans predicament, when it's been 5 years of pain it will come to a head and patience is at snapping point, I think some of his comments after incidents have been understanding of that. I think he's a good un, the criticism I had of him was that he wasn't experimenting enough, Richardson, Westwood, Gestede, in the team when he could have tried other alternatives. He has done now. I don't think he's the most gung ho, attacking coach, but we will be organised and we will play good football once he's rooted out the bad eggs, he's the first in a while that's had the balls to attempt it. He has my support.

Mine too. Whether we get relegated or pull of an unlikely escape we are in for a period of rebuilding and I would like to see what he can do once he has a set of players that are all committed to his methods.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claretandbeer on January 20, 2016, 11:11:29 AM
Sorry about hijacking Garde's thread but Crowe spent £200,000 on Cumbes,Nicholl and Ross in one season.A huge amount for Division 2 sides but unbelievable for a Division 3 team.Robson and Evans for about £170,000 the next season,about the same as Saunders ' outlay on Carrodus and Phillips.There were other signings as well as ,of course,outgoings but Villa did spend big in those 2 seasons before Rioch was sold.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 20, 2016, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: claretandbeer on January 20, 2016, 11:11:29 AM
Sorry about hijacking Garde's thread but Crowe spent £200,000 on Cumbes,Nicholl and Ross in one season.A huge amount for Division 2 sides but unbelievable for a Division 3 team.Robson and Evans for about £170,000 the next season,about the same as Saunders ' outlay on Carrodus and Phillips.There were other signings as well as ,of course,outgoings but Villa did spend big in those 2 seasons before Rioch was sold.


Even if those numbers were correct, and they're much higher than the figures quoted at the time, there were still no major signings in the season you were talking about and midway through 1973-74, while still in the promotion chase, there was an announcement that Villa had £65,000 to spend and that figure didn't go up even after Bruce Rioch was sold.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 20, 2016, 11:30:02 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 20, 2016, 10:55:47 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 20, 2016, 10:32:11 AM
I think Remi has shown an understanding as well towards the fans predicament, when it's been 5 years of pain it will come to a head and patience is at snapping point, I think some of his comments after incidents have been understanding of that. I think he's a good un, the criticism I had of him was that he wasn't experimenting enough, Richardson, Westwood, Gestede, in the team when he could have tried other alternatives. He has done now. I don't think he's the most gung ho, attacking coach, but we will be organised and we will play good football once he's rooted out the bad eggs, he's the first in a while that's had the balls to attempt it. He has my support.

Mine too. Whether we get relegated or pull of an unlikely escape we are in for a period of rebuilding and I would like to see what he can do once he has a set of players that are all committed to his methods.

After 5 years of talking about a season of transition, I think in Garde we've got someone who can actually achieve that, rather than the last few years which have been anything but transition, but all about muddling through as best as we could.

I've got nothing to back that up, other than the way he's approached things, as though he's in it for the long haul and quick fixes now will make a firm foundation later actually more difficult.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 20, 2016, 11:34:41 AM
I think that Monsieur Garde is a quietly determined character who has decided to take on a very tough task at our club and intends to see it through, whether we stay up or not.
He has clearly discovered a load of inappropriate practice going on at VP/BH and has chosen to deal with it head on rather than muddle through/carry on as if it's all ok, as a few of his predecessors have done.
The most important factor for any leader/manager to have is a vision/philosophy of how he thinks things should be run to achieve a healthy and successful end product. imho Garde has this and I really do believe the club will benefit from his time here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 20, 2016, 12:14:43 PM
good points, well made
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 20, 2016, 01:58:14 PM
Vic Crowe laid the foundations for the club that went on to achieve its finest hour a decade later.
Gave us 2 of the best days at Villa Park ever.
I was too young to know the financial dealings at that time, what I do remember was Villa acting like a big club under Vic Crowe even though we had fallen into the 3rd division.
We should all be eternally grateful to Vic Crowe.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2016, 02:22:10 PM
I believe that Garde is laying the foundations for us to have a much better future and he needs support from the fans and the board. He is the first manager we've had in a long while who is actually tackling the club's issues. He is gradually turning round a desperately poor squad and deserves plenty of time relegation or not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on January 20, 2016, 02:46:07 PM
Remi will have my total, as opposed to tacit, support when by the end of July the following people are no longer employed by AVFC:

1) CNZ
2) Gabby (if possible)
3) Richardson
4) Clark
5) Richards (if possible)
6) Hutton
7) Westwood
8) Guzan
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 20, 2016, 02:47:54 PM
I wouldn't particularly argue with any of that. There's a case to keep Hutton and Clark but they've been consistently shit for the best part of 4 years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 20, 2016, 02:48:34 PM
Number 3 is out of contract anyway at season end isn't he? Amen to the rest, though
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 20, 2016, 03:40:22 PM
I realise not everyone sees it this way, but I believe Garde's stance is perfectly in line with the statement from Hollis. That relegation ultimately, as shit as it would be for all concerned isn't to be feared, but something we need to face head on. We need to commit ourselves to getting this fixed once and for and all as opposed to perennially splashing around the drain praying this is the year we don't get sucked in. Well it looks like this is the year, but instead of crying about it let's have a defined plan in place to get out immediately.

As Garde becomes more comfortable in his role you can see how determined he looks and it also comes across in his comments and press conferences. I'm sure the players are figuring out not to fuck with him either.  Plus once he gets to add to his staff in the summer it will give him additional allies to lean on and bounce ideas off. Whatever the outcome of this season I'd rather the future be with Garde long term.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 20, 2016, 05:41:11 PM
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Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 20, 2016, 07:12:44 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2016, 02:22:10 PM
I believe that Garde is laying the foundations for us to have a much better future and he needs support from the fans and the board. He is the first manager we've had in a long while who is actually tackling the club's issues. He is gradually turning round a desperately poor squad and deserves plenty of time relegation or not.

Agreed. But he is getting support from most of the fans, some of the players but zero support from the board. At some point he is going to snap and just walk. My gut is that will happen in February if Lerner continues to not back him.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 20, 2016, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 20, 2016, 07:12:44 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2016, 02:22:10 PM
I believe that Garde is laying the foundations for us to have a much better future and he needs support from the fans and the board. He is the first manager we've had in a long while who is actually tackling the club's issues. He is gradually turning round a desperately poor squad and deserves plenty of time relegation or not.

Agreed. But he is getting support from most of the fans, some of the players but zero support from the board. At some point he is going to snap and just walk. My gut is that will happen in February if Lerner continues to not back him.

So what do you think that he was promised? As presumably he will only 'walk' if something that he has been promised has not materialised.

Is this based on anything more than "we hadn't signed Loic Remy and a new goalkeeper by January 3rd, so that means he's not allowed to ever spend any money"?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 20, 2016, 07:49:16 PM
I am too distracted shouting at MON and Jenas on the box to start a new thread but there is a rumour going round that Klopp is about to de 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.  Has anybody else heard this?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: spangley1812 on January 20, 2016, 07:50:25 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 20, 2016, 07:49:16 PM
I am too distracted shouting at MON and Jenas on the box to start a new thread but there is a rumour going round that Klopp is about to de 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.  Has anybody else heard this?

Whats "De 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on January 20, 2016, 07:56:26 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on January 20, 2016, 07:50:25 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 20, 2016, 07:49:16 PM
I am too distracted shouting at MON and Jenas on the box to start a new thread but there is a rumour going round that Klopp is about to de 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.  Has anybody else heard this?

Whats "De 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'"

Leave.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 20, 2016, 08:00:09 PM
Wife and family hate Liverpool so I am told.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 20, 2016, 08:01:39 PM
well, they do have appoint there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 20, 2016, 08:08:37 PM
Quote from: brian green on January 20, 2016, 08:00:09 PM
Wife and family hate Liverpool so I am told.
I thought they all lived on The Wirral and shopped at Aldi in Chester?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 20, 2016, 08:11:12 PM
Bairkened and Iceland more like.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 21, 2016, 12:08:46 AM
Quote from: Dave on January 20, 2016, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 20, 2016, 07:12:44 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2016, 02:22:10 PM
I believe that Garde is laying the foundations for us to have a much better future and he needs support from the fans and the board. He is the first manager we've had in a long while who is actually tackling the club's issues. He is gradually turning round a desperately poor squad and deserves plenty of time relegation or not.

Agreed. But he is getting support from most of the fans, some of the players but zero support from the board. At some point he is going to snap and just walk. My gut is that will happen in February if Lerner continues to not back him.

So what do you think that he was promised? As presumably he will only 'walk' if something that he has been promised has not materialised.

Is this based on anything more than "we hadn't signed Loic Remy and a new goalkeeper by January 3rd, so that means he's not allowed to ever spend any money"?

I find it very hard to believe he would have joined to save a relegation fighting club if he was not promised some funds in January.

I also read some of his comments as digs about that in his press conferences. That could be me reading too much into them I grant you. But that is my feeling.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 21, 2016, 12:14:22 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2016, 10:19:27 PM
Yep agreed that was an absolutely ridiculous post.

Why?

We're even further off safety now then when he arrived.  His fault.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 21, 2016, 12:29:38 AM
Yeah it's his fault the squad he inherited was unfit, devoid of any confidence, were tactically inept, most of the players we'd say have been the best of the season were hardly playing and the strongly rumoured dressing room splits.
We've lost 3 of the last 10, and while we've hardly turned into Barcelona there's been a definite improvement.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 21, 2016, 12:46:40 AM
We got 4 in 11 under the previous regime, and 8 in 11 under Garde and he is the one to blame?? Please explain LTA? Even if they were level pegging we would be 4 points closer, but worse than that the squad was completely shot when he arrived. He was fortunate it was not 2 from 11 as the Bournemouth win was lucky as buggery with the chances they missed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on January 21, 2016, 08:03:34 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 12:14:22 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2016, 10:19:27 PM
Yep agreed that was an absolutely ridiculous post.

Why?

We're even further off safety now then when he arrived.  His fault.
Are you that bald bloke who had a go at the players at Wycombe?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2016, 08:14:58 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 12:14:22 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2016, 10:19:27 PM
Yep agreed that was an absolutely ridiculous post.

Why?

We're even further off safety now then when he arrived.  His fault.

The thing is if you look at things in such black and white terms it's going to be difficult to explain why I think he isn't at fault. But he has more points in his games than Sherwood had, double in fact, he's inherited a terrible squad that was completely divided. I find it hard to believe that you can't see that he's gradually turning it round and unifying the squad. Any manager could have come in with the squad we have and we'd still be adrift at the bottom.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on January 21, 2016, 08:39:28 AM
Unbeaten in four as the radio mockingly pointed out last night.

I don't think Garde will walk.  He's a very inexperienced manager with only one job under his belt.  It does him no favours in the eyes of Chairman around the world if he gives up after three/four months of a job because it's a bit hard.  He needs to stick out this season and have a stab at getting us back up next season or he'll run the risk of getting a reputation as a quitter.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on January 21, 2016, 09:10:39 AM
I think he takes the responsibility of lifting the club out of the mire seriously, and is motivated by the extent of the challenge. I think the club would need to dismiss him, but on the evidence: why would they?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 21, 2016, 09:18:46 AM
In a very small way he already reminds me of Wenger, he is measured, appears to be a detail person, he is trying to root out the wasters and troublemakers.  Remember when Wenger cleared out the likes of Merse - thought to be a bit strange at the time but proved right ultimately.  I think the only thing that was missing, was the initial new manager bounce that maybe could have got us a few victories to make the difference, but the fact that he didn't says more about the terrible state of the playing squad in all respects when he arrived.  He has found an element of galvanisation at least and that cannot have been easy with the likes of Gabby, Richards - strong characters still around.  Of course we also shouldn't underestimate the fact that no player really wants to touch us whilst we are in this position, so his hands are tied there also.  Yes, he has made some mistakes, but, ultimately the way he conducts himself, his honesty and his ability to call players out is impressive.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 21, 2016, 11:59:08 AM
all of little use without proper backing. let's hope he gets it
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 21, 2016, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 21, 2016, 12:46:40 AM
We got 4 in 11 under the previous regime, and 8 in 11 under Garde and he is the one to blame?? Please explain LTA? Even if they were level pegging we would be 4 points closer, but worse than that the squad was completely shot when he arrived. He was fortunate it was not 2 from 11 as the Bournemouth win was lucky as buggery with the chances they missed.

Since he arrived we have fallen further behind.  I would say that's Gardes fault.  Yes he's inherited a message left by Sherwood, but I've seen no evidence to suggest he's can sort it out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2016, 06:33:42 PM
Well you haven't been watching then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Alex77 on January 21, 2016, 11:14:49 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.

Are you sure you've watched the last few matches and not replays from earlier in the season?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 21, 2016, 11:20:34 PM
Sorry but that is bollocks. How on earth do you think it such an easy task to turn around this juggernaut of shite without bringing his own men in?

He hasn't yet got his chosen backroom staff. The players weren't fit enough. Splits in the dressing room. No defined style of play. Devoid of confidence. New players not integrated in to the squad/country. Fix all that in ten weeks?

Crikey.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 21, 2016, 11:24:26 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 21, 2016, 11:20:34 PM
Sorry but that is bollocks. How on earth do you think it such an easy task to turn around this juggernaut of shite without bringing his own men in?

He hasn't yet got his chosen backroom staff. The players weren't fit enough. Splits in the dressing room. No defined style of play. Devoid of confidence. New players not integrated in to the squad/country. Fix all that in ten weeks?

Crikey.

At least he has got rid (nearly) of Gabby.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 21, 2016, 11:26:52 PM
It's a start!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 21, 2016, 11:33:39 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on January 21, 2016, 11:26:52 PM
It's a start!

A very good start.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on January 22, 2016, 12:00:00 AM
There's something about Garde that makes me think he's the best manager that we've had in a long time (not easy to see with the mess that it is). We're not going to get anywhere by just routinely changing the manager so regardless of what happens this season, we need to stick by him and give him sufficient time that it allows him to get his own people (staff and players) in, to get the dead wood out and for the resulting group to apply his philosophies.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT Villan on January 22, 2016, 01:05:46 AM
You'd have to be blind not to see that Garde is starting to have a positive impact on the team. I will be the first to admit that I was beginning to doubt him after a few strange substitutions a few weeks back, but it is clear to me that the team is more united, fitter and more importantly getting results and he has shown my reticence to be without foundation. I think he will go on to be very successful with us, especially if he can complete his preferred backroom team in the Summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve R on January 22, 2016, 06:18:18 AM
Quote from: claretandbeer on January 20, 2016, 10:46:29 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 20, 2016, 09:12:11 AM
The thing Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe had in abundance was a quality totally absent in the last five years at Villa Park, the respect of the supporters.   Vic was an iron hard man who would make James Milner look like Charlie N'Zogbia and Joe has the road to the Ethiad named in his memory.  The quality that shone through them both was character.  I believe Remi Garde is cut from the same cloth.
Vic Crowe's commitment to the club and his playing career deserve respect but I don't understand this admiration of him as a manager.
His record entails not avoiding relegation to Div 3,not an easy task but we weren't too far adrift.We finished 4th with a League Cup final and then Champions in Div 3.His high  win ratio is cited but that's in Div 3. Can't really crow about that ! His record in Div 2 is 103 Pts from 100 matches with  2 Pts for a win ,finishing 3rd and then 14th.
His programme notes talked about testing the bath water,Saunders' we're about 110% effort and getting the right result.His supporters would talk about him stabilising the club but we finished 3 Pts behind mighty Halifax and his tenure ended in 14 th place in Division 2 despite an expensively assembled squad and an array of young talent .

Sorry to keep this one going but..

We were flat on our backs when Crowe was appointed. We had the fallout from Edwards/Hole/Ferguson affair to deal with, players like Chico Hamilton and Pat McMahon were bereft of confidence and barely playing. Defeat was following miserable defeat. For 'weren't too far adrift' read 'stinking and sinking, fast'.

In little more than a year we had almost survived the inevitable and were at Wembley outplaying one of the better footballing teams of they day. However, playing other club's cup finals every week took its toll and results tailed off in our first season in div 3.

Rather than remark on the cost of players in the second year - your prices are too high - I would point to the fact that the likes of Nicholl and Ross stepped down divisions to join us. It was hard to believe the quality of player he was bringing to the club. The nurturing of promising youthers like John Gidman and Brian Little was exemplary.

As has been pointed about, if it were not for what Vic Crowe gave the club as a manager, we would never have seen the big days that were to follow after he left the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2016, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.

You're clearly on a wind up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2016, 08:07:55 AM
Quote from: CT Villan on January 22, 2016, 01:05:46 AM
You'd have to be blind not to see that Garde is starting to have a positive impact on the team. I will be the first to admit that I was beginning to doubt him after a few strange substitutions a few weeks back, but it is clear to me that the team is more united, fitter and more importantly getting results and he has shown my reticence to be without foundation. I think he will go on to be very successful with us, especially if he can complete his preferred backroom team in the Summer.

I agree he seems to have got the measure of the squad now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 22, 2016, 12:21:08 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2016, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.

You're clearly on a wind up.
To be fair - Remi probably has been flirting with his wife or something like that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2016, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.

You're clearly on a wind up.

Why is he on a wind up? He's won one league game since he took over so you can't expect every fan to think he's the new messiah because of that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2016, 12:26:14 PM
Most wives I know would not mind in the least being flirted with by Monsieur Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 22, 2016, 12:27:29 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2016, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.

You're clearly on a wind up.

Why is he on a wind up? He's won one league game since he took over so you can't expect every fan to think he's the new messiah because of that.

Nobody said he is the new messiah. There's a middle ground between that and 'not fit for purpose', 'it's all his fault'. The middle ground being that there has been some recent improvement in form so he is having an effect.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: in exile on January 22, 2016, 12:56:18 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.
Has he run over your cat or something?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 22, 2016, 01:07:21 PM
Pound for pound, one of the finest pieces of business ever done by a Villa manager was the acquisition of Ray Graydon from Bristol Rovers.  Vic Crowe.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2016, 01:21:23 PM
Did I detect pure disdain in his voice at the new "hip injury" that Gabby is out with.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 22, 2016, 01:23:40 PM
They have got to get that useless, piss taker out of the club before next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 22, 2016, 02:33:51 PM
I agree. a bad egg - fuck the fat fucker right off, now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2016, 02:35:57 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2016, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.

You're clearly on a wind up.

Why is he on a wind up? He's won one league game since he took over so you can't expect every fan to think he's the new messiah because of that.


There's a big difference from being the 'messiah', which I don't think anyone has said he is, and being 'not fit for purpose'. We've definitely seen progress in the last few weeks, with what virtually everyone can agree is a very poor squad. I'm not sure what people expect in such a short space of time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 22, 2016, 02:38:43 PM
Quote from: Steve R on January 22, 2016, 06:18:18 AM
Quote from: claretandbeer on January 20, 2016, 10:46:29 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 20, 2016, 09:12:11 AM
The thing Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe had in abundance was a quality totally absent in the last five years at Villa Park, the respect of the supporters.   Vic was an iron hard man who would make James Milner look like Charlie N'Zogbia and Joe has the road to the Ethiad named in his memory.  The quality that shone through them both was character.  I believe Remi Garde is cut from the same cloth.
Vic Crowe's commitment to the club and his playing career deserve respect but I don't understand this admiration of him as a manager.
His record entails not avoiding relegation to Div 3,not an easy task but we weren't too far adrift.We finished 4th with a League Cup final and then Champions in Div 3.His high  win ratio is cited but that's in Div 3. Can't really crow about that ! His record in Div 2 is 103 Pts from 100 matches with  2 Pts for a win ,finishing 3rd and then 14th.
His programme notes talked about testing the bath water,Saunders' we're about 110% effort and getting the right result.His supporters would talk about him stabilising the club but we finished 3 Pts behind mighty Halifax and his tenure ended in 14 th place in Division 2 despite an expensively assembled squad and an array of young talent .

Sorry to keep this one going but..

We were flat on our backs when Crowe was appointed. We had the fallout from Edwards/Hole/Ferguson affair to deal with, players like Chico Hamilton and Pat McMahon were bereft of confidence and barely playing. Defeat was following miserable defeat. For 'weren't too far adrift' read 'stinking and sinking, fast'.

In little more than a year we had almost survived the inevitable and were at Wembley outplaying one of the better footballing teams of they day. However, playing other club's cup finals every week took its toll and results tailed off in our first season in div 3.

Rather than remark on the cost of players in the second year - your prices are too high - I would point to the fact that the likes of Nicholl and Ross stepped down divisions to join us. It was hard to believe the quality of player he was bringing to the club. The nurturing of promising youthers like John Gidman and Brian Little was exemplary.

As has been pointed about, if it were not for what Vic Crowe gave the club as a manager, we would never have seen the big days that were to follow after he left the club.

Good post Steve R. I think Vic Crowe turning the ship around and ensuring we didn't sink further was an important springboard for us, in a way that was not too dissimilar to how Graham Taylor turned things around in 1987-88. You could probably argue that any old clown could have got us out of division 3 but Vic Crowe knew the club and our history well enough to grasp what was needed and I don't think it is a coincidence that it was probably the era of the greatest bond between players and supporters.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 22, 2016, 02:45:41 PM
I make a point of trying not to judge managers until they've had at least a summer transfer window to shape the squad in their image.

Rémi has done little wrong since arriving. He says the right things, his team selections are generally coherent, when we play poorly it mostly seems to be down to individual mistakes rather than disorganisation or poor tactics, the performances have improved slightly...

There's no guarantee he will lead us to better things, but it would be unfair to pass judgement on him until he has had an opportunity to bring in his preferred coaching staff and is managing his own players, rather than the absolute bag of shit he's inherited.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on January 22, 2016, 03:00:05 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2016, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.

You're clearly on a wind up.

Why is he on a wind up? He's won one league game since he took over so you can't expect every fan to think he's the new messiah because of that.

I'd agree there's not enough evidence to speak that highly of him.  Equally there is not enough evidence to start using phrases like "not fit for purpose".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: not3bad on January 22, 2016, 03:00:05 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2016, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.

You're clearly on a wind up.

Why is he on a wind up? He's won one league game since he took over so you can't expect every fan to think he's the new messiah because of that.

I'd agree there's not enough evidence to speak that highly of him.  Equally there is not enough evidence to start using phrases like "not fit for purpose".

Fair enough, but what is it so far, one win in eleven? Not much of a new manager lift was there?
Don't be surprised if fans haven't been too impressed so far.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on January 22, 2016, 03:18:51 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: not3bad on January 22, 2016, 03:00:05 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2016, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.

You're clearly on a wind up.

Why is he on a wind up? He's won one league game since he took over so you can't expect every fan to think he's the new messiah because of that.

I'd agree there's not enough evidence to speak that highly of him.  Equally there is not enough evidence to start using phrases like "not fit for purpose".

Fair enough, but what is it so far, one win in eleven? Not much of a new manager lift was there?
Don't be surprised if fans haven't been too impressed so far.
To state the other day if Remi does keep us up (which would be an incredible feat) He would still like him sacked was strange though. Maybe that's why it's suggested he's on a wind up?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bertlambshank on January 22, 2016, 03:21:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 22, 2016, 01:21:23 PM
Did I detect pure disdain in his voice at the new "hip injury" that Gabby is out with.
Yep they are too wide to fit in the shorts.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 23, 2016, 05:56:17 PM
The postmatch from Remi - that is the best (beside the one I just heard from Klopp haha)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: class-of-82 on January 23, 2016, 06:10:41 PM
Agree at least the players are showing some fight and showing that they care
Down to you remi
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2016, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2016, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.

You're clearly on a wind up.

Why is he on a wind up? He's won one league game since he took over so you can't expect every fan to think he's the new messiah because of that.

There isn't anyone calling him the new Messiah. Nobody at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Yossarian on January 23, 2016, 06:14:38 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2016, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2016, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.

You're clearly on a wind up.

Why is he on a wind up? He's won one league game since he took over so you can't expect every fan to think he's the new messiah because of that.

There isn't anyone calling him the new Messiah. Nobody at all.

Actually I am. I don't care about his qualities as a football manager, I have seen him turn water into wine, heal the sick and walk on water.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 23, 2016, 06:51:58 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on January 23, 2016, 06:14:38 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2016, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2016, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2016, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.

You're clearly on a wind up.

Why is he on a wind up? He's won one league game since he took over so you can't expect every fan to think he's the new messiah because of that.

There isn't anyone calling him the new Messiah. Nobody at all.

Actually I am. I don't care about his qualities as a football manager, I have seen him turn water into wine, heal the sick and walk on water.
I want this also - but so far, he has just made us better... Yes LTA he has a massive cock
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: class-of-82 on January 23, 2016, 06:55:09 PM
If he is not the messiah
Then he is a very naughty naughty boy
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on January 23, 2016, 08:10:36 PM
Irrespective of who we do or don't sign, our latest renaissance begins with this man.  My opinion of course but it's what I believe I am beginning to see from this man.

I was at the Burnley game last season and I was at the Watford game back in November, and I know which version I prefer, poor as both may have been.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 23, 2016, 08:12:07 PM
I just worry we're somehow going to piss him off or renege on some agreement with him and he will get frustrated and walk at some point.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 23, 2016, 08:32:12 PM
Saunders and LTA really see him as shit. In their opinion, there was quality before he came.

This guy could make us come back. That is my opinion - couldn't give a shit about others manegers - he might save us
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on January 23, 2016, 08:37:51 PM
I'm in total agreement with you re Garde; Edvard.  It's like we've been playing Russian Roulette in reverse, we've got to strike lucky sometime and I think this is it.  If it doesn't work out I will come back on here and say I was wrong.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 23, 2016, 08:44:09 PM
This is the most accurate and honest interview I have ever seen. Remi is good IMO

https://www.facebook.com/AstonVillaTheInformer/videos/857166187729785/
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 23, 2016, 08:44:59 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 23, 2016, 08:12:07 PM
I just worry we're somehow going to piss him off or renege on some agreement with him and he will get frustrated and walk at some point.

I hope not. I really like him (credit to Fox & Randy for getting him here). But I think this window may just tip him to the point of walking. Either he has not been backed or there are no decent players on the planet willing to sign for Aston Villa. The reasons are probably irrelevant to Remi, he just needs more players, if he cant get any of the tools he needs to do his job then why stay?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 23, 2016, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on January 23, 2016, 08:44:09 PM
This is the most accurate and honest interview I have ever seen. Remi is good IMO

https://www.facebook.com/AstonVillaTheInformer/videos/857166187729785/

This is the kind of guy we needed in after the Houllier fiasco. Not a series of yes men, arse lickers and chancers. Someone to tell the guys at the top what is wrong, someone to tell the players what is wrong. I'm gutted that we've got him now, the premier league is getting un told riches and we are sliding down the pan. This guy could have achieved something with us. He still might.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 23, 2016, 08:48:53 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 23, 2016, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on January 23, 2016, 08:44:09 PM
This is the most accurate and honest interview I have ever seen. Remi is good IMO

https://www.facebook.com/AstonVillaTheInformer/videos/857166187729785/


This is the kind of guy we needed in after the Houllier fiasco. Not a series of yes men, arse lickers and chancers. Someone to tell the guys at the top what is wrong, someone to tell the players what is wrong. I'm gutted that we've got him now, the premier league is getting un told riches and we are sliding down the pan. This guy could have achieved something with us. He still might.
Spot on...please don't go when we get relegated.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on January 23, 2016, 08:53:22 PM
Let's hope he stays. He's an honest man and he's doing a good job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 23, 2016, 08:54:39 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 23, 2016, 08:53:22 PM
Let's hope he stays. He's an honest man and he's doing a good job.

It's very refreshing after Lambert and Sherwood to watch a post-match manager interview and to feel like I saw the same game as the manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 23, 2016, 08:57:08 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 23, 2016, 08:54:39 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 23, 2016, 08:53:22 PM
Let's hope he stays. He's an honest man and he's doing a good job.

It's very refreshing after Lambert and Sherwood to watch a post-match manager interview and to feel like I saw the same game as the manager.

Yes! If we can get to the point where we don't have to play Bacuna, Westwood and Gestede weekly then I wont feel like I'm living in an alternate reality.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on January 23, 2016, 09:24:27 PM
According to Alan Nixon Sun Journo on Twitter we are brining in Eric Black as new assistant , was assistant to Bruce at Blues /Sunderland
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 23, 2016, 09:28:25 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on January 23, 2016, 09:24:27 PM
According to Alan Nixon Sun Journo on Twitter we are brining in Eric Black as new assistant , was assistant to Bruce at Blues /Sunderland
A coach who has lower league experience to help out next year 🙈
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2016, 09:29:06 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on January 23, 2016, 08:32:12 PM
Saunders and LTA really see him as shit. In their opinion, there was quality before he came.

This guy could make us come back. That is my opinion - couldn't give a shit about others manegers - he might save us

Get your facts right, I've never said he was a shit manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 23, 2016, 09:30:06 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 23, 2016, 08:54:39 PM
Quote from: Des Little on January 23, 2016, 08:53:22 PM
Let's hope he stays. He's an honest man and he's doing a good job.

It's very refreshing after Lambert and Sherwood to watch a post-match manager interview and to feel like I saw the same game as the manager.

Good observation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: shipscat on January 23, 2016, 09:33:44 PM
Eric Black coming in as assistant manager according to Nixon
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2016, 09:35:18 PM
At least it's a coach with experience of that division. Garde seems a very calculated guy so ib would guess he has done due diligence and if happy to get him in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 23, 2016, 09:49:01 PM
Does that spell the end of him getting that French guy in that he always worked with?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on January 23, 2016, 10:02:22 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 23, 2016, 09:35:18 PM
At least it's a coach with experience of that division. Garde seems a very calculated guy so ib would guess he has done due diligence and if happy to get him in.

Weren't we trying to get him to work with someone (Steve Round or someone?) and Garde turned it down. So Garde presumably signed off on this one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2016, 11:40:53 PM
I like Garde more every week. We look a more coherent team every week. I would be gutted if he is not here next season with his own side.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 23, 2016, 11:54:51 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 23, 2016, 09:49:01 PM
Does that spell the end of him getting that French guy in that he always worked with?

Given that Gérald Baticle was appointed as now head coach at Lyon around Christmas, I'd say that that's the end of that story for now. Having said that, apparently the deal with Black only runs to the end of the season initially, and Baticle was promoted from assistant manager when they sacked his boss, Bruno Genesio, so it might be a stop gap until the end of the season.

It's mentioned at the end of the article about Garde laying into Grealish at halftime on Tuesday and it explicitly states that Black is Garde's choice.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 23, 2016, 11:56:22 PM
it appears to me this is Round appointment that didn't happen, and that Black is helping out until the end of the season though could be extended. I can see Garde getting some of his coaches in before next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on January 24, 2016, 12:14:51 AM
He has to stay. He'll sort out the striker problem for next season. It's just a real pity we did't get him in sooner. I'm positive with Remi in charge, a decent coach and the board room being properly looked after we're going to bounce back much stronger.

We've ended up in the shit and they all seem to be fully aware of it now and admitting mistakes. The last few weeks have been a massive improvement on all levels. It's not by all means perfect but hopefully everyone is pulling together.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2016, 12:17:04 AM
Genosio is the boss there VID not Baticle I think?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

I reckon he will walk before that, but I am curious, what kind of manager do you reckon would be better for us in the Championship? Honest question, because I dont know.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on January 24, 2016, 12:18:13 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

Yes, yes but what about English?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 24, 2016, 12:19:13 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

I reckon he will walk before that, but I am curious, what kind of manager do you reckon would be better for us in the Championship? Honest question, because I dont know.

If Garde were to leave then I do not think any manager could prosper under this regime, things would have got that bad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 24, 2016, 12:25:44 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

Black spent 4 or 5 seasons playing for Metz in the late 80's, just as Garde was starting out at Lyon.

I still don't get that you can't see that Garde is slowly turning things around and looks like someone who would actually build the club up on solid foundations.

There's a couple of not too subtle digs at what sort of a dressing room & culture he inherited in the post match interview on the BBC website.
Definitely a a split dressing room and regardless of which side of the divide a lack of fitness.

Those are the first 2 building blocks for everything. Without those you've lost before you get onto the pitch, and guess what? We did. Repeatedly.

Asking anyone to turn around this mess was like pulling a handbrake turn in an oil tanker, and finishing off with of one of those trick parking manoeuvres where the turn ends up as a bit of parallel parking.

Technically and theoretically possible, but night on impossible.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:28:54 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

I reckon he will walk before that, but I am curious, what kind of manager do you reckon would be better for us in the Championship? Honest question, because I dont know.

Someone who knows that level.  Garde has never played or managed in the Championship.  It's far too much of a risk to put promotion into the hands of a rookie.

He HAS to be sacked if we get relegated and replaced with a manager experienced at that level.  We can't afford to take the risk.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 24, 2016, 12:29:03 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2016, 12:17:04 AM
Genosio is the boss there VID not Baticle I think?

You're quite correct.

It's me that's got confused as to whether Genosio was the incoming or outgoing there.😳
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 24, 2016, 12:31:54 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:28:54 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

I reckon he will walk before that, but I am curious, what kind of manager do you reckon would be better for us in the Championship? Honest question, because I dont know.

Someone who knows that level.  Garde has never played or managed in the Championship.  It's far too much of a risk to put promotion into the hands of a rookie.


Neither had Aitor Karanka or Carlos Carvalhal. Paul Clement has never had a management job anywhere. They make up 3 out of the top 6 managers in the Championship. What it seems to me increasingly in the Championship is that the good training ground coaches rise to the fore.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on January 24, 2016, 12:43:00 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:28:54 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

I reckon he will walk before that, but I am curious, what kind of manager do you reckon would be better for us in the Championship? Honest question, because I dont know.

Someone who knows that level.  Garde has never played or managed in the Championship.  It's far too much of a risk to put promotion into the hands of a rookie.

He HAS to be sacked if we get relegated and replaced with a manager experienced at that level.  We can't afford to take the risk.

Yes, let's bin the first intelligent, thoughtful and progressive manager we've had in years and replace him with Mick McCarthy. Then, when Mick's got us promoted (which he definitely will) we can give him the push (after all, he was hopeless in the top division) and look for an intelligent, thoughtful and progressive manager to take us forward. Absolutely brilliant idea.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 24, 2016, 12:44:30 AM
Quote from: Ian J on January 24, 2016, 12:14:51 AM
He has to stay. He'll sort out the striker problem for next season. It's just a real pity we did't get him in sooner. I'm positive with Remi in charge, a decent coach and the board room being properly looked after we're going to bounce back much stronger.

We've ended up in the shit and they all seem to be fully aware of it now and admitting mistakes. The last few weeks have been a massive improvement on all levels. It's not by all means perfect but hopefully everyone is pulling together.

Agree with this.  It has taken Garde a little time, but I think he has now found a formation that works and the players to fit into it.  As a result, it has definitely been better over the past few weeks.  The defence looks better though we are desperately short of quality in the final third, but there isn't much he can do about what he has been given to work with.  I also like the way he seems to be addressing the culture of complacency that has been present at the club for a number of years.  He seems the sort that doesn't take any nonsense and that is what we need.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 12:55:24 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

On the basis of what?

Him being foreign?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2016, 01:01:43 AM
All I wanted to see from Garde is signs of improvement, and we're doing that, at least in defence.  On the defensive front, he's done as well as humanly possible to get even a semi-reasonable defence out of the options available to him, and we've stopped looking like we'll concede every time the other team has the ball.  At the other end of the pitch, he is generally fucked unless the shower of idiots who run the club let him bring a striker in.  Trying to make a defence out of Lescott and Richards et al is hard enough, but when you're reliant for goals on Ayew, Gestede, Kozak, Gabby and Sinclair it really is mission impossible.  Ayew is a decent player but relying on him just isn't the answer to our problems.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2016, 01:01:23 AM
There are now at least 4 draws under Garde that with a genuine quality striker we would have won. That would put us right in the mix now. He has got the basis of the team right, stopped shipping goal after goal and there is almost a style of play emerging. Problem is Kozak is not good enough buy works hard and Gestede missed to many half chances. Richards and Gestede had headed chances in the second half that you have to at least hit the target with. With a striker moving in front of them Gil and Ayew would also look more effective I am sure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on January 24, 2016, 01:06:51 AM
The fans are behind him now, despite earlier reticence. That is a powerful force. I think he will rebuild the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 24, 2016, 01:08:54 AM
I agree with OZZ and Riss above. We actually look like something resembling a team. I think even if he had got the job at the beginning of the season this team would struggle but we would at least be in contention. I hope he gets the backing to keep progressing. The best thing to happen to the club in a while.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2016, 01:18:48 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 24, 2016, 01:01:43 AM
All I wanted to see from Garde is signs of improvement, and we're doing that, at least in defence.  On the defensive front, he's done as well as humanly possible to get even a semi-reasonable defence out of the options available to him, and we've stopped looking like we'll concede every time the other team has the ball.  At the other end of the pitch, he is generally fucked unless the shower of idiots who run the club let him bring a striker in.  Trying to make a defence out of Lescott and Richards et al is hard enough, but when you're reliant for goals on Ayew, Gestede, Kozak, Gabby and Sinclair it really is mission impossible.  Ayew is a decent player but relying on him just isn't the answer to our problems.
And Ayew is clearly suited to being a wide forward or playing off a striker, not the main role. He will get 10 a season, maybe more in a decent team, but you need a forward who can run alongside, make intelligent decisions and score. None of what we have does that. Garde must be beside himself having coached the likes of Lacazette from a kid to watch our lot going forward.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 01:24:48 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:28:54 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

I reckon he will walk before that, but I am curious, what kind of manager do you reckon would be better for us in the Championship? Honest question, because I dont know.

Someone who knows that level.  Garde has never played or managed in the Championship.  It's far too much of a risk to put promotion into the hands of a rookie.

He HAS to be sacked if we get relegated and replaced with a manager experienced at that level.  We can't afford to take the risk.

Thanks for the answer. Appreciate it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 01:26:33 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 24, 2016, 01:08:54 AM
I agree with OZZ and Riss above. We actually look like something resembling a team. I think even if he had got the job at the beginning of the season this team would struggle but we would at least be in contention. I hope he gets the backing to keep progressing. The best thing to happen to the club in a while.

My position exactly.

If we go down, it won't be his fault. I'd rather we started attempting to come back with him in charge, with him settled at the club, and with him getting time to do it his way.

The absolute worst thing we could do would be to sack him and appoint some halfwitted knuckle-head like Pearson, on the spurious basis that he's "best for a struggle". If we did that, I honestly think I'd bow out of giving a shit about football for the rest of my life.

Our "leaders" are hare-brained deluded cretins, but I would hope that even they are not stupid enough to do something like that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 24, 2016, 01:28:54 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2016, 01:18:48 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 24, 2016, 01:01:43 AM
All I wanted to see from Garde is signs of improvement, and we're doing that, at least in defence.  On the defensive front, he's done as well as humanly possible to get even a semi-reasonable defence out of the options available to him, and we've stopped looking like we'll concede every time the other team has the ball.  At the other end of the pitch, he is generally fucked unless the shower of idiots who run the club let him bring a striker in.  Trying to make a defence out of Lescott and Richards et al is hard enough, but when you're reliant for goals on Ayew, Gestede, Kozak, Gabby and Sinclair it really is mission impossible.  Ayew is a decent player but relying on him just isn't the answer to our problems.
And Ayew is clearly suited to being a wide forward or playing off a striker, not the main role. He will get 10 a season, maybe more in a decent team, but you need a forward who can run alongside, make intelligent decisions and score. None of what we have does that. Garde must be beside himself having coached the likes of Lacazette from a kid to watch our lot going forward.
I still have Ayew down as a prospect with potential, he needs the right coaching and to work out his best position. I do like his attitude though and that is a big part of it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 01:31:21 AM
It really is nice to see how he has started to win over even fans who are pretty sick and tired of the clubs antics. His points tally is poor, no getting around it, but we do look better imho and I simply adore the fact that he speaks like a sane person who has watched the same game as me.

Fox & Randy had the good sense or fortune to hire him. I hope they have the same sense to back him now when he needs it the most.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 24, 2016, 02:07:54 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.
I saw an article somewhere earlier that mentions his language skills, however, I was under the impression that Garde had forbidden the use of French (and, presumably, Spanish and whatever other native languages there are in the dressing room). This would put the theory that Black is being appointed even in part for his ability to converse in French at odds with what had previously been reported.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on January 24, 2016, 02:09:07 AM
A few weeks ago I thought that he didn't have a clue. I was wrong
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 24, 2016, 02:11:08 AM
Quote from: Chris Harte on January 24, 2016, 02:07:54 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.
I saw an article somewhere earlier that mentions his language skills, however, I was under the impression that Garde had forbidden the use of French (and, presumably, Spanish and whatever other native languages there are in the dressing room). This would put the theory that Black is being appointed even in part for his ability to converse in French at odds with what had previously been reported.

Possibly. But even if it's English only in the dressing room, there will be times where it's useful to get a point across to a relatively newly arrived player to be able to do it in their own language. Also, speaking as someone who's lived abroad for 15 years, it's very nice and reassuring that there is someone there who does have the odd word in your native language.

Having said that, I'm sure the appointment is mostly down to his coaching ability rather than language skills.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 24, 2016, 12:31:54 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:28:54 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

I reckon he will walk before that, but I am curious, what kind of manager do you reckon would be better for us in the Championship? Honest question, because I dont know.

Someone who knows that level.  Garde has never played or managed in the Championship.  It's far too much of a risk to put promotion into the hands of a rookie.


Neither had Aitor Karanka or Carlos Carvalhal. Paul Clement has never had a management job anywhere. They make up 3 out of the top 6 managers in the Championship. What it seems to me increasingly in the Championship is that the good training ground coaches rise to the fore.

None of those managers would have walked into as big a shambles though.  We need a manager who is experienced at that level and knows who to organise a club.  I don't believe Garde can do it.

The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 24, 2016, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 24, 2016, 12:31:54 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:28:54 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

I reckon he will walk before that, but I am curious, what kind of manager do you reckon would be better for us in the Championship? Honest question, because I dont know.

Someone who knows that level.  Garde has never played or managed in the Championship.  It's far too much of a risk to put promotion into the hands of a rookie.


Neither had Aitor Karanka or Carlos Carvalhal. Paul Clement has never had a management job anywhere. They make up 3 out of the top 6 managers in the Championship. What it seems to me increasingly in the Championship is that the good training ground coaches rise to the fore.

None of those managers would have walked into as big a shambles though.  We need a manager who is experienced at that level and knows who to organise a club.  I don't believe Garde can do it.

The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived.

You're saying that Sheff Wed, who have had a million managers in the last few years and nearly went bust wasn't a shambles. Or Middlesborough who had to get rid of their entire squad because they were on Prem wages and going bust. Right.

We're unbeaten in the last five games. How is that not an improvement on losing every game, either statistically or actually?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:40:58 PM
How long did it take him to get a win..nearly 2 months?

Look at Swansea.  They've brought in a manager who hasn't pissed about.  Gone in, got a win straight away.

I honestly don't think going into the Championship with this manager is worth risking when we have to get back straight away.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 24, 2016, 03:46:23 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:40:58 PM
How long did it take him to get a win..nearly 2 months?

Look at Swansea.  They've brought in a manager who hasn't pissed about.  Gone in, got a win straight away.

I honestly don't think going into the Championship with this manager is worth risking when we have to get back straight away.
Swansea have better players and hadn't been on the end of 7 straight defeats when the new man came in. I'd like to see if Garde can continue this up turn. If he goes and loses the last 15 games, it's of course a different matter but I would say if we can have a good run and finish the season on something vaguely respectable like 30 points, then he deserves a chance to lead us back up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on January 24, 2016, 03:46:54 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:40:58 PM
How long did it take him to get a win..nearly 2 months?

Look at Swansea.  They've brought in a manager who hasn't pissed about.  Gone in, got a win straight away.

I honestly don't think going into the Championship with this manager is worth risking when we have to get back straight away.
I couldn't agree less!
Swansea have not been slowly sliding down the pan for 4 years. They have a much better squad and have been suffering there first bad run for years, no comparison to the shit we are up to our necks in. I have seen and heard enough of Garde to think he should be given the chance to build his own team and get us back up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on January 24, 2016, 03:49:16 PM
In the last few games we've looked like a midtable premier league team. It won't save us but the improvement is evident.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2016, 04:00:26 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on January 24, 2016, 12:31:54 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:28:54 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

I reckon he will walk before that, but I am curious, what kind of manager do you reckon would be better for us in the Championship? Honest question, because I dont know.

Someone who knows that level.  Garde has never played or managed in the Championship.  It's far too much of a risk to put promotion into the hands of a rookie.


Neither had Aitor Karanka or Carlos Carvalhal. Paul Clement has never had a management job anywhere. They make up 3 out of the top 6 managers in the Championship. What it seems to me increasingly in the Championship is that the good training ground coaches rise to the fore.

None of those managers would have walked into as big a shambles though.  We need a manager who is experienced at that level and knows who to organise a club.  I don't believe Garde can do it.

The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived.

Well if we haven't improved since he arrived then results do lie.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 24, 2016, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?

No.

We carry no goal threat whatsoever.  We need to score goals and win games, but nobody at the club seems to doing anything about it.

Garde is clearly a decent guy, but anyone saying we've improved since he arrived is deluded IMO.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 24, 2016, 04:54:06 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?

No.

We carry no goal threat whatsoever.  We need to score goals and win games, but nobody at the club seems to doing anything about it.

Garde is clearly a decent guy, but anyone saying we've improved since he arrived is deluded IMO.

So I'm confused. Do results lie or not?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2016, 04:55:55 PM
LTA, you asked for stats and you got it. You're in denial. You've also just pointed out we have no goal threat and despite that our points per game has improved. Nobody is high fiving each other but there has been undeniable improvement. The only person that doesn't want to accept it is you it appears.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2016, 05:00:51 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2016, 04:55:55 PM
LTA, you asked for stats and you got it. You're in denial. You've also just pointed out we have no goal threat and despite that our points per game has improved. Nobody is high fiving each other but there has been undeniable improvement. The only person that doesn't want to accept it is you it appears.

He has a point about the goal threat but to say we haven't improved is just nonsense.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2016, 05:15:36 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?

No.

We carry no goal threat whatsoever.  We need to score goals and win games, but nobody at the club seems to doing anything about it.

Garde is clearly a decent guy, but anyone saying we've improved since he arrived is deluded IMO.



Are you on a wind up?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on January 24, 2016, 05:21:29 PM
Same boring posters bullying someone with a different view point..
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2016, 05:24:09 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 24, 2016, 05:21:29 PM
Same boring posters bullying someone with a different view point..

Or are they just disagreeing with their point of view?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 05:29:52 PM
some very fine margins with those stats which equate to 0.35 points per game.
a tiny improvement granted, but you could apply plenty of correction factors to maybe get the stats to show it going in the opposite direction,home/away,opposition etc but I cant be arsed. I do like remi though
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 24, 2016, 05:32:36 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 05:29:52 PM
some very fine margins with those stats which equate to 0.35 points per game.
a tiny improvement granted, but you could apply plenty of correction factors to maybe get the stats to show it going in the opposite direction,home/away,opposition etc but I cant be arsed. I do like remi though
Thats pretty much what I thought. I like Garde as well but unless there is a substantial improvement soon the outcome in May will be the same as if Sherwood had been allowed to continue.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 05:32:42 PM
We've lost 5 of our last 11 games. Considering the utter shambles we were before Garde arrived I don't see how there can be any doubt that we've improved. Whether we're improving enough is a very different debate.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2016, 05:33:38 PM
We're a lot less shit than we were under Sherwood this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2016, 05:34:19 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 24, 2016, 05:21:29 PM
Same boring posters bullying someone with a different view point..

In the interest of balance, it's usually the same few deadheads that post something controversial and then can't back it up with either evidence or wit.

And then when challenged, drop into passive aggressive mode.

In my opinion, of course.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
How about saying posters instead of deadheads which isn't acceptable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 05:40:43 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?

No.

We carry no goal threat whatsoever.  We need to score goals and win games, but nobody at the club seems to doing anything about it.

Garde is clearly a decent guy, but anyone saying we've improved since he arrived is deluded IMO.



You said results don't lie, he hasn't improved us. Thats your opinion.

I've just pointed out that the results *have* improved - that's not an opinion, that is a mathematical fact.

But still you're not having it?

Do you stop and think about any of this stuff before you post it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 05:43:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 05:40:43 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?

No.

We carry no goal threat whatsoever.  We need to score goals and win games, but nobody at the club seems to doing anything about it.

Garde is clearly a decent guy, but anyone saying we've improved since he arrived is deluded IMO.



You said results don't lie, he hasn't improved us. Thats your opinion.

I've just pointed out that the results *have* improved - that's not an opinion, that is a mathematical fact.

But still you're not having it?

Do you stop and think about any of this stuff before you post it?
and that is tantamount to poster baiting ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 05:43:30 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 05:29:52 PM
some very fine margins with those stats which equate to 0.35 points per game.
a tiny improvement granted, but you could apply plenty of correction factors to maybe get the stats to show it going in the opposite direction,home/away,opposition etc but I cant be arsed. I do like remi though

Well, 0.4 to 0.75 - that's almost double the points rate.

No, they haven't improved enough to substantially change things but they have improved. There's no arguing with that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2016, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 24, 2016, 05:00:51 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2016, 04:55:55 PM
LTA, you asked for stats and you got it. You're in denial. You've also just pointed out we have no goal threat and despite that our points per game has improved. Nobody is high fiving each other but there has been undeniable improvement. The only person that doesn't want to accept it is you it appears.

He has a point about the goal threat but to say we haven't improved is just nonsense.

that's just stating the obvious though Clamps. We've actually managed to improve despite not having any goal threat because he's come in and really tightened us up at the back. I just wish we were 6 or 7 points better off because we'd have landed the striker we need by now. Being so far behind in points to safety has screwed everything up this transfer window. And we all know if it passes without us getting a new forward in the combination of Kozak, Ayew, Sinclair isn't going to save us. And with Gestede hurt, it's even more bleak. But we've improved overall and to deny it is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 05:45:41 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 05:43:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 05:40:43 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?

No.

We carry no goal threat whatsoever.  We need to score goals and win games, but nobody at the club seems to doing anything about it.

Garde is clearly a decent guy, but anyone saying we've improved since he arrived is deluded IMO.



You said results don't lie, he hasn't improved us. Thats your opinion.

I've just pointed out that the results *have* improved - that's not an opinion, that is a mathematical fact.

But still you're not having it?

Do you stop and think about any of this stuff before you post it?
and that is tantamount to poster baiting ;)

How is it?

It's not like we don't have enough things to worry about but if someone says "results don't lie" and then changes his tune when shown that the results actually have improved, then they can expect to be picked up on it.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 05:45:41 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 05:43:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 05:40:43 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?

No.

We carry no goal threat whatsoever.  We need to score goals and win games, but nobody at the club seems to doing anything about it.

Garde is clearly a decent guy, but anyone saying we've improved since he arrived is deluded IMO.



You said results don't lie, he hasn't improved us. Thats your opinion.

I've just pointed out that the results *have* improved - that's not an opinion, that is a mathematical fact.

But still you're not having it?

Do you stop and think about any of this stuff before you post it?
and that is tantamount to poster baiting ;)

How is it?

It's not like we don't have enough things to worry about but if someone says "results don't lie" and then changes his tune when shown that the results actually have improved, then they can expect to be picked up on it.
implying he doesn't think?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 05:47:57 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2016, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: Clampy on January 24, 2016, 05:00:51 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2016, 04:55:55 PM
LTA, you asked for stats and you got it. You're in denial. You've also just pointed out we have no goal threat and despite that our points per game has improved. Nobody is high fiving each other but there has been undeniable improvement. The only person that doesn't want to accept it is you it appears.

He has a point about the goal threat but to say we haven't improved is just nonsense.

that's just stating the obvious though Clamps. We've actually managed to improve despite not having any goal threat because he's come in and really tightened us up at the back. I just wish we were 6 or 7 points better off because we'd have landed the striker we need by now. Being so far behind in points to safety has screwed everything up this transfer window. And we all know if it passes without us getting a new forward in the combination of Kozak, Ayew, Sinclair isn't going to save us. And with Gestede hurt, it's even more bleak. But we've improved overall and to deny it is ludicrous.

A one eyed man on a galloping horse could look at those stats and see that we have basically turned a few defeats into draws. That is an improvement.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 24, 2016, 05:48:49 PM
Either ratio would be low enough to get you relegated over the course of a season. The only thing being Remi has signed none of the players and didn't create the situation he's currently in. The results haven't been great though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 05:51:00 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 05:45:41 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 05:43:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 05:40:43 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?

No.

We carry no goal threat whatsoever.  We need to score goals and win games, but nobody at the club seems to doing anything about it.

Garde is clearly a decent guy, but anyone saying we've improved since he arrived is deluded IMO.



You said results don't lie, he hasn't improved us. Thats your opinion.

I've just pointed out that the results *have* improved - that's not an opinion, that is a mathematical fact.

But still you're not having it?

Do you stop and think about any of this stuff before you post it?
and that is tantamount to poster baiting ;)

How is it?

It's not like we don't have enough things to worry about but if someone says "results don't lie" and then changes his tune when shown that the results actually have improved, then they can expect to be picked up on it.
implying he doesn't think?

Well he doesn't think about whether something mathematically checkable is correct before posting it, that's pretty clear 

And then goes on to still reject it despite having it explained numerically.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 05:51:35 PM
For me it's simple, there is no doubt we have improved since he arrived.

What is open to debate is whether posters think he has improved us enough and if he is the man to take us back up next season assuming we do drop.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2016, 05:52:04 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
How about saying posters instead of deadheads which isn't acceptable.

Yes, sorry for that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 24, 2016, 05:52:04 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
How about saying posters instead of deadheads which isn't acceptable.

Yes, sorry for that.

Thanks Lee.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2016, 05:55:40 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 24, 2016, 05:52:04 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
How about saying posters instead of deadheads which isn't acceptable.

Yes, sorry for that.

Thanks Lee.

Shouldn't post when the kids are driving me mad, that tends to come out in my prose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 24, 2016, 06:04:08 PM
Quote from: Bad English on January 24, 2016, 12:18:13 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

Yes, yes but what about English?

Did they overlook you for the job?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2016, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 24, 2016, 05:15:36 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?

No.

We carry no goal threat whatsoever.  We need to score goals and win games, but nobody at the club seems to doing anything about it.

Garde is clearly a decent guy, but anyone saying we've improved since he arrived is deluded IMO.



Are you on a wind up?

Which is what I thought, and said, the other day. It is a statistical fact that we have improved since Garde arrived. We don't carry enough goal threat, but he's managed to get us keeping clean sheets and that gives us a chance. I'm confident in time, most likely in the Championship, and when he gets some players in we'll start to become more of a threat.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 24, 2016, 06:10:22 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 24, 2016, 05:21:29 PM
Same boring posters bullying someone with a different view point..

Where? Point out one example of bullying, insult or abuse, rather than disagreeing with the point the poster has made?

The only person on this thread who has decided to start throwing insults and accusations around without contributing a jot to the discussion is you.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2016, 06:12:18 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on January 24, 2016, 05:21:29 PM
Same boring posters bullying someone with a different view point..

Not really, to catergorically state that Garde hasn't improved us is factually wrong. Now if he'd stated that we don't carry enough threat in isolation then that's a different matter. I personally think he'll get us firing in time, but he's resolved to stop us haemorrhaging goals first. But that's my opinion and I'm happy to debate that. It's stating something that flies completely in the face of actual factual evidence in order to try and add strength to his opinion that I take issue with.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 06:13:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?
premier league games won

tim = 3 points
remi =3 points

that's a draw

fkn not good enough whichever way you look at it

please lets get a forward who might just give us a glimmer of hope
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 06:18:03 PM
Were we bottom of the league when Sherwood got axed? Its all a blur. If not then you could argue Garde made us worse in that regard.

Otherwise its tough to see where he has not improved us. Although not enough points wise, the improvement is there I think.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2016, 06:21:32 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 06:13:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?
premier league games won

tim = 3 points
remi =3 points

that's a draw

fkn not good enough whichever way you look at it

please lets get a forward who might just give us a glimmer of hope

So draws don't count as points that Garde has got the team to earn? Again your dismissing the statistical evidence. Garde has performed better than Sherwood this season, that is an undeniable, or should be, fact. Now it's probably not going to be enough to save us, but I wouldn't lay much blame at Garde's door for that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on January 24, 2016, 06:23:30 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 24, 2016, 05:52:04 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
How about saying posters instead of deadheads which isn't acceptable.

Yes, sorry for that.

Perhaps he thinks you are all Greatful Dead fans.

On the positive side I have learnt that although we are still shit we are 0.35% less shit than under Sherwood.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 06:25:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2016, 06:21:32 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 06:13:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?
premier league games won

tim = 3 points
remi =3 points

that's a draw

fkn not good enough whichever way you look at it

please lets get a forward who might just give us a glimmer of hope

So draws don't count as points that Garde has got the team to earn? Again your dismissing the statistical evidence. Garde has performed better than Sherwood this season, that is an undeniable, or should be, fact. Now it's probably not going to be enough to save us, but I wouldn't lay much blame at Garde's door for that.
I was trying to lighten the mood sorry
which by saying weve only won twice all season is a bit stupid
I also think we look a better side under remi and have improved
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 24, 2016, 06:27:05 PM
Quote from: passport1 on January 24, 2016, 06:23:30 PM
Quote from: LeeB on January 24, 2016, 05:52:04 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 05:36:43 PM
How about saying posters instead of deadheads which isn't acceptable.

Yes, sorry for that.

Perhaps he thinks you are all Greatful Dead fans.

On the positive side I have learnt that although we are still shit we are 0.35% less shit than under Sherwood.
From the figure quoted I would say Garde is so far 87.5% better than Sherwood.

But it still won't be enough to save us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 06:30:07 PM
Personally, I have no doubt that if Garde had started the season as manager we'd be well away from the drop zone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2016, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 06:25:22 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2016, 06:21:32 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 06:13:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?
premier league games won

tim = 3 points
remi =3 points

that's a draw

fkn not good enough whichever way you look at it

please lets get a forward who might just give us a glimmer of hope

So draws don't count as points that Garde has got the team to earn? Again your dismissing the statistical evidence. Garde has performed better than Sherwood this season, that is an undeniable, or should be, fact. Now it's probably not going to be enough to save us, but I wouldn't lay much blame at Garde's door for that.
I was trying to lighten the mood sorry
which by saying weve only won twice all season is a bit stupid
I also think we look a better side under remi and have improved

Ok apologies, just frustration creeping out!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 24, 2016, 06:59:14 PM
Results comparison:

Sherwood     WLLDLLLLLL
MacDonald    L
Garde           DLLDLDDLLWDD

The above does not tell the whole story though.  At the start of the season there was the confidence of the new season and winning the first game.  When Garde came in, confidence was rock bottom after 7 straight league defeats.  Turning that around to 3 defeats in the next 7 when trying to get to know the best team was reasonable considering the circumstances.

What has done us are the two defeats at Xmas but he did not have Okore for those two games and Sanchez.  Whatever you say about Sanchez, the team does look stronger with him in it.  If the back four that played yesterday had been available for those two games,  I think we would have got something from them and the picture would look a lot different.

With injuries, Garde has been able to change the RB and RCD which has made us stronger without dropping anybody and upsetting an already fragile dressing room.  One thing that Garde addressed as soon as he could was the left back position.  He knew we had a player that could do a job for him and brought him back from loan which has further settled the defence.

I think what you will see from Garde going forward is that he will not stick with same 11.  I think he will change players if they drop off due to tiredness as he did with Veretout yesterday.

Garde will do for me and I confidently expect him to build a good young side with some experience added for next season.  His squad will be strong so that he can rotate when injuries, loss of form etc. come.  He will not be left with holes in the squad as we have this season and there will be a number of U21 players boosting the size of the 1st team squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on January 24, 2016, 07:10:06 PM
The stat results are flawed as they only take Sherwoods last 10 games (this season) to prove the point
What was his overall Win percentage ?
maybe that would be a bit better, you can prove anything you want by using and selecting only the worse results in a managers career
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on January 24, 2016, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 24, 2016, 06:59:14 PM
Results comparison:

Sherwood     WLLDLLLLLL
MacDonald    L
Garde           DLLDLDDLLWDD

The above does not tell the whole story though.  At the start of the season there was the confidence of the new season and winning the first game.  When Garde came in, confidence was rock bottom after 7 straight league defeats.  Turning that around to 3 defeats in the next 7 when trying to get to know the best team was reasonable considering the circumstances.

What has done us are the two defeats at Xmas but he did not have Okore for those two games and Sanchez.  Whatever you say about Sanchez, the team does look stronger with him in it.  If the back four that played yesterday had been available for those two games,  I think we would have got something from them and the picture would look a lot different.

With injuries, Garde has been able to change the RB and RCD which has made us stronger without dropping anybody and upsetting an already fragile dressing room.  One thing that Garde addressed as soon as he could was the left back position.  He knew we had a player that could do a job for him and brought him back from loan which has further settled the defence.

I think what you will see from Garde going forward is that he will not stick with same 11.  I think he will change players if they drop off due to tiredness as he did with Veretout yesterday.

Garde will do for me and I confidently expect him to build a good young side with some experience added for next season.  His squad will be strong so that he can rotate when injuries, loss of form etc. come.  He will not be left with holes in the squad as we have this season and there will be a number of U21 players boosting the size of the 1st team squad.

With regards to Sanchez I disagree mate. I think Gana looks more comfortable marshalling the back four. The midfield looks a lot more balanced. And Veretout and dare I say it, Westwood seem to be more comfortable of their roles.
I do think the change in form is due to the re-shuffling of the back four and the midfield.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2016, 07:14:27 PM
As well as Bunn instead of Guzan.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 24, 2016, 07:14:38 PM
Never, ever thought I'd post that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2016, 07:17:52 PM
Quote from: john e on January 24, 2016, 07:10:06 PM
The stat results are flawed as they only take Sherwoods last 10 games (this season) to prove the point
What was his overall Win percentage ?
maybe that would be a bit better, you can prove anything you want by using and selecting only the worse results in a managers career

Yeah, but then you have to take into account that he had Benteke, Delph, Vlaar and Cleverley. It's only fair to compare this season, as they've both had access to the same squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 24, 2016, 07:26:48 PM
Quote from: john e on January 24, 2016, 07:10:06 PM
The stat results are flawed as they only take Sherwoods last 10 games (this season) to prove the point
What was his overall Win percentage ?
maybe that would be a bit better, you can prove anything you want by using and selecting only the worse results in a managers career

It wasn't so much the stats that I was pointing out but the state of the side when Garde took over and how he has done since.  Sherwood did well last season to keep us up but it tailed off at the end of the season and as the above poster pointed out, he had better players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2016, 07:49:52 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2016, 07:14:27 PM
As well as Bunn instead of Guzan.

Nothing special about Bunn but critically he doesn't make stupid mental errors. He'll be the back up next season for that reason alone and Guzan sold.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 07:55:43 PM
Quote from: john e on January 24, 2016, 07:10:06 PM
The stat results are flawed as they only take Sherwoods last 10 games (this season) to prove the point
What was his overall Win percentage ?
maybe that would be a bit better, you can prove anything you want by using and selecting only the worse results in a managers career

It's fair to compare as they had exactly the same squad to work with. You can't compare last season as Garde hasn't had Delph or Benteke in the squad.

It also has to be taken into account that Sherwood had all the new signings to work with when they would, most likely, be full of confidence etc straight after joining us. Garde had to deal with the same players having no confidence, the reported dressing room splits etc.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: maigrait on January 24, 2016, 08:09:43 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 24, 2016, 06:59:14 PM
Results comparison:

Sherwood     WLLDLLLLLL
MacDonald    L
Garde           DLLDLDDLLWDD

The above does not tell the whole story though.  At the start of the season there was the confidence of the new season and winning the first game.  When Garde came in, confidence was rock bottom after 7 straight league defeats.  Turning that around to 3 defeats in the next 7 when trying to get to know the best team was reasonable considering the circumstances.

What has done us are the two defeats at Xmas but he did not have Okore for those two games and Sanchez.  Whatever you say about Sanchez, the team does look stronger with him in it.  If the back four that played yesterday had been available for those two games,  I think we would have got something from them and the picture would look a lot different.

With injuries, Garde has been able to change the RB and RCD which has made us stronger without dropping anybody and upsetting an already fragile dressing room.  One thing that Garde addressed as soon as he could was the left back position.  He knew we had a player that could do a job for him and brought him back from loan which has further settled the defence.

I think what you will see from Garde going forward is that he will not stick with same 11.  I think he will change players if they drop off due to tiredness as he did with Veretout yesterday.

Garde will do for me and I confidently expect him to build a good young side with some experience added for next season.  His squad will be strong so that he can rotate when injuries, loss of form etc. come.  He will not be left with holes in the squad as we have this season and there will be a number of U21 players boosting the size of the 1st team squad.

Good analysis. Agree with most of that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: jembob on January 24, 2016, 08:22:43 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 06:30:07 PM
Personally, I have no doubt that if Garde had started the season as manager we'd be well away from the drop zone.
Quite agree but he would have needed the pre-season and transfer window too. I thought at the time that we should have taken a longer term view after the debacle of the FA Cup final and disposed of Sherwood then.
What particulaly annoys me is the Premier League seems to be at an all time low in terms of quality and it should not be difficult to survive given a bit of endeavour. Sherwood was well out of his depth although Garde appears to be polishing a little shine to our turd of a squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 08:32:24 PM
Quote from: john e on January 24, 2016, 07:10:06 PM
The stat results are flawed as they only take Sherwoods last 10 games (this season) to prove the point
What was his overall Win percentage ?
maybe that would be a bit better, you can prove anything you want by using and selecting only the worse results in a managers career

Maybe so, but the point made was that the results have not improved since Garde came. Garde can not do anything about last season's results.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 08:33:41 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 08:29:45 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 06:13:49 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 24, 2016, 03:29:09 PM
The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?
premier league games won

tim = 3 points
remi =3 points

that's a draw

fkn not good enough whichever way you look at it

please lets get a forward who might just give us a glimmer of hope

Oh, please.

So now, by your special criteria, only wins count? Draws get points too - I know draws are not enough, but that is not the question being debated here.

if you are going only on wins then you might as well make your life easier and just use wins against Bournemouth.

I also did not say anything about it being good enough - it clearly is not. The point LTA made was "the results are no better" - which is not true.

He even went on to say "the results don't lie" and then refused to stand by that when it was pointed out that the results are better.
as I said earlier I was trying to lighten the mood, but statistics can be manipulted
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 08:34:06 PM
Sorry I just saw that.

However, it wasn't me who brought up results in the first place!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on January 24, 2016, 08:37:07 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2016, 07:49:52 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 24, 2016, 07:14:27 PM
As well as Bunn instead of Guzan.

Nothing special about Bunn but critically he doesn't make stupid mental errors. He'll be the back up next season for that reason alone and Guzan sold.

You never know, he could be our new regular keeper. One goal conceded in 4 games. Admittedly he didn't have anything to do yesterday.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on January 24, 2016, 08:37:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2016, 08:34:06 PM
Sorry I just saw that.

However, it wasn't me who brought up results in the first place!
nor me
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 24, 2016, 09:18:07 PM
Quote from: jembob on January 24, 2016, 08:22:43 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2016, 06:30:07 PM
Personally, I have no doubt that if Garde had started the season as manager we'd be well away from the drop zone.
Quite agree but he would have needed the pre-season and transfer window too. I thought at the time that we should have taken a longer term view after the debacle of the FA Cup final and disposed of Sherwood then.
What particulaly annoys me is the Premier League seems to be at an all time low in terms of quality and it should not be difficult to survive given a bit of endeavour. Sherwood was well out of his depth although Garde appears to be polishing a little shine to our turd of a squad.

This is the key thing, for me. I didn't like Sherwood and wasn't exactly chuffed when he was appointed, but there's an argument that the squad needed a fresh approach and a kick up the backside more than anything, just to get us over the finishing line to safety, and the cocky moron did provide that.

But he was never, ever going to be suitable for the long term. As soon as the season was over, we should have shook his hand, thanked him very much, paid him off and brought in Rémi to start the rebuilding.

Like a lot of what Randy does, the decisions themselves haven't necessarily been disastrous, but the timing has been shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 09:37:09 PM
SamTheMouse:

That would have been better looking back. At the time though it was pretty unthinkable. A signicant portion of us would have been in uproar at Lerner if he had sacked Sherwood over the summer (I know I would have thrown the "make your damn mind up" card at him). Even with the Southampton bunglefest and the Cup final debacle most of us were willing to blame the players for the end of season collapse.

Lerner probably expected the same as many of us this season. After giving the club all the Benteke money plus some extra we were all entitled to think relegation would not be anything to worry about in 2015/2016. Particularly given the manager openly saying that was a thing of the past.

It was only really four or six games in the penny started to drop for most of us. I dont blame Lerner or Fox or being surprised how quickly it went bad.

I do blame them for screwing up this transfer window and so far not backing Garde, but the speed with which sherwood nose dived took most of us by surprise I think.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Liam_Baggies on January 24, 2016, 09:54:28 PM
Ignore my input if you wish - I'd personally stay with Garde.

I thought the signs on Saturday were very encouraging in the long run. I thought you were far more of a team rather than the team of individuals that we faced in September. I thought you were a lot more compact too with a back four in unison, although our none existent attacking probably aided that somewhat. And more encouragingly, I thought you kept the ball much better which hasn't always been the case from what I've seen.

He joined in a pretty much hopeless situation, a team that wasn't good enough and had suffered due to the inept spiv that was in before him. The rebuilding job will be big, of that there is no doubt, players will leave for the better and new fresh blood will be recruited. Furthermore, I'd rather have a rebuilding job made in Garde's vision rather than the recycled shite of British managers that we get nowadays.

I also think he's shown great bottle to drop the likes of Grealish and Agbonlahor - although your situation may have looked doomed I don't think Grealish has helped matters off the pitch and his arrogant style on the pitch isn't needed either. I don't need to comment anymore on the latter. All that's left in the job is for him to bin off the likes of Guzan, Grealish and Gabby and build a side around Ayew, Gill, Okore and Verteout - whether they remain for a season of championship football (providing you drop) I'm not sure.

In addition, you need some stability, much like ourselves. The swap and change culture with no idea of identity or style in terms of recruitment and playing style has to come to an end at some point.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 09:56:28 PM
Cheers Liam. Appreciate your views.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on January 24, 2016, 10:03:24 PM
Fair comments Liam, you sound like a closet Villa fan!  I know we're going down but I'd rather have our man than yours!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 24, 2016, 10:06:08 PM
Quote from: Newby on January 24, 2016, 10:03:24 PM
Fair comments Liam, you sound like a closet Villa fan!
I almost said something similar haha.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 24, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
I think that's a pretty fair assessment Liam.

I'd keep Grealish for now. His potential makes it a chance worth taking fir the next 18 months. If he's not settled down to be a regular, productive member of the team by then, it's probably not going to happen for him in B6.

As for playing style, it looks like your lot have settled on one.

What's best. Survival with Pulisball or relegation with Mowbray?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2016, 10:26:02 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 24, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
I think that's a pretty fair assessment Liam.

I'd keep Grealish for now. His potential makes it a chance worth taking fir the next 18 months. If he's not settled down to be a regular, productive member of the team by then, it's probably not going to happen for him in B6.

As for playing style, it looks like your lot have settled on one.

What's best. Survival with Pulisball or relegation with Mowbray?

To be fair to Liam, there's a hell of a middle ground between the two to find some kind of happy medium.

For me, as a complete outsider looking in, they dispensed with Pepe Mel a bit to quickly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Liam_Baggies on January 24, 2016, 10:27:51 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 24, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
I think that's a pretty fair assessment Liam.

I'd keep Grealish for now. His potential makes it a chance worth taking fir the next 18 months. If he's not settled down to be a regular, productive member of the team by then, it's probably not going to happen for him in B6.

As for playing style, it looks like your lot have settled on one.

What's best. Survival with Pulisball or relegation with Mowbray?

Had Tone been given a fair crack of the whip (like his predecessors have baring Mel) then we would have survived, in my view. Also, there is a happy medium which can be found between Mowbray and Pulis.

One of the mistakes both of our clubs have done is swap managers regularly without following any sort of plan. Much like Swansea follow a model of how they wish to play, both of our clubs seem to be blowing with the wind rather than settling on an approach and building around it. You cannot go from someone like McLeish and Lambert to Sherwood and Garde and equally we cannot go from Clarke, Mel and Irvine to Tony Pulis. It then requires overhauls of the playing staff which are becoming too frequent.

In answer to the question of Jack Grealish - well, I think you're better off without. I think he carries baggage, much like Berahino does and has that sort of attitude which will be more of a disruption than a positive influence. He has growing up to do and quickly but if you're in for a rebuilding job, I'd rather do it without the nuisances.  Personally, I'd prefer someone like Carles Gill every time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on January 24, 2016, 11:12:01 PM
Gil seems to be coming of age and there's no question as to who should be in the team out of him and Grealish. I would loan Jack out for the second half of the season and hope he grows up a bit. He's a talented kid but we've seen time and time again that if a player doesn't have the right mental attitude, it doesn't matter how much talent they have.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2016, 11:35:27 PM
Quote from: Liam_Baggies on January 24, 2016, 10:27:51 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 24, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
I think that's a pretty fair assessment Liam.

I'd keep Grealish for now. His potential makes it a chance worth taking fir the next 18 months. If he's not settled down to be a regular, productive member of the team by then, it's probably not going to happen for him in B6.

As for playing style, it looks like your lot have settled on one.

What's best. Survival with Pulisball or relegation with Mowbray?

Had Tone been given a fair crack of the whip (like his predecessors have baring Mel) then we would have survived, in my view. Also, there is a happy medium which can be found between Mowbray and Pulis.

One of the mistakes both of our clubs have done is swap managers regularly without following any sort of plan. Much like Swansea follow a model of how they wish to play, both of our clubs seem to be blowing with the wind rather than settling on an approach and building around it. You cannot go from someone like McLeish and Lambert to Sherwood and Garde and equally we cannot go from Clarke, Mel and Irvine to Tony Pulis. It then requires overhauls of the playing staff which are becoming too frequent.

In answer to the question of Jack Grealish - well, I think you're better off without. I think he carries baggage, much like Berahino does and has that sort of attitude which will be more of a disruption than a positive influence. He has growing up to do and quickly but if you're in for a rebuilding job, I'd rather do it without the nuisances.  Personally, I'd prefer someone like Carles Gill every time.

Even before, to go from Houllier to McLeish in a  summer was a ridiculous step footballing wise. As talking sense goes, you are looking far too much like even from the outside looking in it is clear what our board have struggled to grasp. I have said a number of times I would sooner take relegation and stick with a manager like Garde who looks like he wants to play football, than to play the style and manner in which Pulis plays the game.

I agree with OCD on Jack, I would look to loan him out to a championship club. He is too talented to let him go, and there are aspects to him that show he has some very positive sides away from the pitch that are not widely reported in the way the bad is, but he has to learn to play as part of a team and give his all when he is not influencing a game. He also needs to get his confidence back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 24, 2016, 11:43:20 PM
Quote from: Liam_Baggies on January 24, 2016, 10:27:51 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 24, 2016, 10:16:19 PM
I think that's a pretty fair assessment Liam.

I'd keep Grealish for now. His potential makes it a chance worth taking fir the next 18 months. If he's not settled down to be a regular, productive member of the team by then, it's probably not going to happen for him in B6.

As for playing style, it looks like your lot have settled on one.

What's best. Survival with Pulisball or relegation with Mowbray?

Had Tone been given a fair crack of the whip (like his predecessors have baring Mel) then we would have survived, in my view. Also, there is a happy medium which can be found between Mowbray and Pulis.

One of the mistakes both of our clubs have done is swap managers regularly without following any sort of plan. Much like Swansea follow a model of how they wish to play, both of our clubs seem to be blowing with the wind rather than settling on an approach and building around it. You cannot go from someone like McLeish and Lambert to Sherwood and Garde and equally we cannot go from Clarke, Mel and Irvine to Tony Pulis. It then requires overhauls of the playing staff which are becoming too frequent.

In answer to the question of Jack Grealish - well, I think you're better off without. I think he carries baggage, much like Berahino does and has that sort of attitude which will be more of a disruption than a positive influence. He has growing up to do and quickly but if you're in for a rebuilding job, I'd rather do it without the nuisances.  Personally, I'd prefer someone like Carles Gill every time.

Sorry, that was a little unfair on Mowbray v Pulis. I just remember some of your fellow fans giving it a right load of sanctimonious bollocks that season about "playing the right way."

We'll have to disagree about him getting it right in the end. Nothing I can recall from that season or anything he did after suggests to me that he'd got anything more to offer.

Your comment about the switching of styles is bang on. It's something that's been discussed to death on here and I don't think there's many who'd disagree.

Pepe Mel was probably the anti Sherwood. He should have been given the next season instead of being binned in the summer. The exact opposite applies to Sherwood.

The potential upside with Grealish I think is worth giving him the chance, particularly if Garde continues to weed out the the troublemakers and bad apples.

Gil is what he is and I think someone who will thrive if there's a remotely competent striker in front of him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2016, 01:04:58 AM
The last few results and importantly, the performances have been encouraging, but he's still got a lot to do.  Improving from Sherwood's record-breakingly shit points per game ration to a better but still certain relegation ratio isn't much to write home about, if we're using that as a criteria.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2016, 09:34:37 AM
I agree Risso. I said a few weeks back if he can get it up over a point per game on average then it does show improvement.  He still needs to find a few wins to give more confidence longer term but he is hampered by having the worst forward line in the league by a distance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on January 25, 2016, 09:57:55 AM
He's turning round the juggernaut. It'll take some time, and perhaps a bit of maintenance, to build up some speed in the other direction.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 10:15:22 AM
He's not close to turning it round yet but I'll concede that he's applied the brakes. All this means though is that instead of flying off the cliff to the 2nd division like Evel Kneivel going over the Snake River Canyon, we're more like Wile E.Coyote reaching the edge of a cliff, hovering for a while before looking down, then staring back towards the camera and letting gravity taking over. Same result.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2016, 10:32:27 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 10:15:22 AM
He's not close to turning it round yet but I'll concede that he's applied the brakes. All this means though is that instead of flying off the cliff to the 2nd division like Evel Kneivel going over the Snake River Canyon, we're more like Wile E.Coyote reaching the edge of a cliff, hovering for a while before looking down, then staring back towards the camera and letting gravity taking over. Same result.

I disagree, I think 5 points from games against 1st, 11th and 14th is the definition of turned it round, if we can build on this I still think we can get 32-36 points which might be enough (probably not but we should aim for that as a minimum because if nothing else it will be good form to carry into next year) - 4 points every 3 games would get us to 33 so a striker who can turn games like Leicester and the Baggies from draws to wins could make a huge difference.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 10:37:02 AM
I disagree. Still rooted to the bottom of the league, 10 points adrift, means nothing has turned round but our rate of descent has slowed a bit. I see no way out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2016, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 10:37:02 AM
I disagree. Still rooted to the bottom of the league, 10 points adrift, means nothing has turned round but our rate of descent has slowed a bit. I see no way out.

but what you're describing is a recovery, that can only come after things have turned around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: paul_e on January 25, 2016, 10:43:44 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 10:37:02 AM
I disagree. Still rooted to the bottom of the league, 10 points adrift, means nothing has turned round but our rate of descent has slowed a bit. I see no way out.

but what you're describing is a recovery, that can only come after things have turned around.

OK, he's turned things around. But why are we still facing in the same direction?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 25, 2016, 11:02:45 AM
Sometimes when it's such a shitstorm it takes longer to put right. I must admit I was losing the faith a bit up to and including Wycombe away but since then there has been a definite improvement which must be accountable to Garde. We're starting to see that he can have an impact, and to be honest a slow improvement might suggest a better long term than someone coming in and doing well immediately for a couple of months and the novelty then wearing off like with Sherwood.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2016, 11:05:55 AM
His comments about Lescott are interesting. I think he has clearly forged an alliance there that is getting through to the others.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 25, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
The next stage of recovery is to increase our points yield and to start closing the gap with other teams. I do feel that we will run out of games to overtake three teams though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 25, 2016, 12:14:01 PM
And to do that he's got to either change the style of play &/or find some pace in midfield/wide ... and possibly risk some of the defensive cover.

I hope he's got the courage to take a few risks in the next few games - you just don't want to die wondering........
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2016, 12:22:38 PM
I think it is about quality. I think he has got the formation working for him now, it is about a bit more composure and quality in midfield and up front.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 25, 2016, 12:34:20 PM
We are still lacking confidence. You can see that from the fullbacks and midfield players (Veretout excepted) when they turn back inside rather than driving on or not wanting to run with the ball through the middle. If Garde can get them to overcome this, we will see a vast improvement. Having said that, I think Westwood, Bacuna and a few others are past being able to change after too many years here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2016, 12:36:57 PM
Westwood and Bacuna being replaced with athletic, forward thinking midfielders would be wonderful.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 25, 2016, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2016, 09:37:09 PM
SamTheMouse:

That would have been better looking back. At the time though it was pretty unthinkable. A signicant portion of us would have been in uproar at Lerner if he had sacked Sherwood over the summer (I know I would have thrown the "make your damn mind up" card at him). Even with the Southampton bunglefest and the Cup final debacle most of us were willing to blame the players for the end of season collapse.

Lerner probably expected the same as many of us this season. After giving the club all the Benteke money plus some extra we were all entitled to think relegation would not be anything to worry about in 2015/2016. Particularly given the manager openly saying that was a thing of the past.

It was only really four or six games in the penny started to drop for most of us. I dont blame Lerner or Fox or being surprised how quickly it went bad.

I do blame them for screwing up this transfer window and so far not backing Garde, but the speed with which sherwood nose dived took most of us by surprise I think.


Considering he didn't sack Lambert after near enough three years of eye wateringly bad football and results, together with any amount of shit records being broken, he was hardly likely to sack a bloke who had got us to a Cup Final and saved us from near certain relegation when he joined.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on January 25, 2016, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 25, 2016, 12:36:57 PM
Westwood and Bacuna being replaced with athletic, forward thinking midfielders would be wonderful.

Always had a soft spot for Bacuna but then he has flattened to decieve this season.  As a wing back in a more confident team he could work quite well.  I agree that we need more invention in midfield.  Then again in the Championship Westwood may well find his level.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on January 25, 2016, 02:17:00 PM
To me, it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades.

The man exudes the class required for his position.

That the class requirement has been so unfulfilled for so many years leaves him situated awkwardly. His position should feel right, it should feel comfortable. It should put us at ease, but there is an imbalance. The club is a mess. The manager is not.

It might be too late for him, but I haven't given up yet, even though I notice, as we near the end of the transfer window, a drop in my interpretation of his spirit.

I think there's something special about this manager. There's something different about him. I wouldn't swap him right now, for anyone, I don't think.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2016, 02:17:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 25, 2016, 12:22:38 PM
I think it is about quality. I think he has got the formation working for him now, it is about a bit more composure and quality in midfield and up front.

I agree I think he's doing the best he can do with what's available to him. He's actually made us look quite solid defensively, which is no mean feat. We need more quality in the team to create and finish the chances, but until those players come in there's not a lot he can do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
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To me, it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades

you've worked that out after a dozen games, Bob?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on January 25, 2016, 02:22:41 PM
He does impress at least in somethings, and I don't doubt he is a good manager but he is still finding his feet in the English game.  Whose to say that the Championship won't be even more of a wake up call for him.  He's been put in a bad place by the club and I wish him the best.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 25, 2016, 02:24:55 PM
Quote from: bob on January 25, 2016, 02:17:00 PM
To me, it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades.

The man exudes the class required for his position.

That the class requirement has been so unfulfilled for so many years leaves him situated awkwardly. His position should feel right, it should feel comfortable. It should put us at ease, but there is an imbalance. The club is a mess. The manager is not.

It might be too late for him, but I haven't given up yet, even though I notice, as we near the end of the transfer window, a drop in my interpretation of his spirit.

I think there's something special about this manager. There's something different about him. I wouldn't swap him right now, for anyone, I don't think.

It's difficult to put a finger on it exactly, but I feel the same way about him.  My biggest concern was that the general fucktardery of our playing staff would leave him in an untenable position come the summer, but if he can at least sustain the current level of competence I think he'll have the majority of the support behind him even if we go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on January 25, 2016, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
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To me, it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades

you've worked that out after a dozen games, Bob?



I've worked that out simply by listening to him speak.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:30:45 PM
Quote from: bob on January 25, 2016, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
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To me, it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades

you've worked that out after a dozen games, Bob?



I've worked that out simply by listening to him speak.

How many decades?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on January 25, 2016, 03:13:39 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
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To me, it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades

you've worked that out after a dozen games, Bob?





Of which we've won two?  I also quite like the cut of his jib, but that is probably just because he sounds like Wenger.  The fact that we didn't get a new manager 'bounce' has pretty much done for us this season.  It's way to early for that type of hyperbole.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on January 25, 2016, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 25, 2016, 03:13:39 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
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To me, it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades

you've worked that out after a dozen games, Bob?





Of which we've won two?  I also quite like the cut of his jib, but that is probably just because he sounds like Wenger.  The fact that we didn't get a new manager 'bounce' has pretty much done for us this season.  It's way to early for that type of hyperbole.

Forgive me for analysing him a bit more deeply than whether or not he sounds like Wenger.

For what it's worth, he does a bit, actually. And whatever you might think about Arsenals success, or lack of, over Wenger's tenure, I'd find it hard to believe anyone who didn't think Wenger was one of the more intelligent managers in the Premier League. The connection is relevant, for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on January 25, 2016, 04:20:36 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:30:45 PM
Quote from: bob on January 25, 2016, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
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To me, it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades

you've worked that out after a dozen games, Bob?



I've worked that out simply by listening to him speak.

How many decades?

Two. Obviously.

Come on, Chico, you're not thick.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: bob on January 25, 2016, 04:20:36 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:30:45 PM
Quote from: bob on January 25, 2016, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
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To me, it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades

you've worked that out after a dozen games, Bob?



I've worked that out simply by listening to him speak.

How many decades?

Two. Obviously.

Come on, Chico, you're not thick.

I'm beginning to think I might be
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on January 25, 2016, 04:35:12 PM
Quote from: bob on January 25, 2016, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 25, 2016, 03:13:39 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
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To me, it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades

you've worked that out after a dozen games, Bob?





Of which we've won two?  I also quite like the cut of his jib, but that is probably just because he sounds like Wenger.  The fact that we didn't get a new manager 'bounce' has pretty much done for us this season.  It's way to early for that type of hyperbole.

Forgive me for analysing him a bit more deeply than whether or not he sounds like Wenger.

For what it's worth, he does a bit, actually. And whatever you might think about Arsenals success, or lack of, over Wenger's tenure, I'd find it hard to believe anyone who didn't think Wenger was one of the more intelligent managers in the Premier League. The connection is relevant, for obvious reasons.

Well Lambert was as intelligible as Fergie.  Alas, there the similarities ended.

Guarde has achieved nothing yet.  And whilst he does interview well, if Pulis had come in and got us two wins out of 14 people would be ripping their hair out.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and hope he has huge success for us over many years.  But at this stage your comments are pretty ridiculous.  And questioning the integrity of every manager we've had in the last 20 years due to limited on field success is pretty damn harsh.
 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 25, 2016, 04:39:42 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 25, 2016, 04:35:12 PM
Quote from: bob on January 25, 2016, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 25, 2016, 03:13:39 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
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To me, it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades

you've worked that out after a dozen games, Bob?





Of which we've won two?  I also quite like the cut of his jib, but that is probably just because he sounds like Wenger.  The fact that we didn't get a new manager 'bounce' has pretty much done for us this season.  It's way to early for that type of hyperbole.

Forgive me for analysing him a bit more deeply than whether or not he sounds like Wenger.

For what it's worth, he does a bit, actually. And whatever you might think about Arsenals success, or lack of, over Wenger's tenure, I'd find it hard to believe anyone who didn't think Wenger was one of the more intelligent managers in the Premier League. The connection is relevant, for obvious reasons.

Well Lambert was as intelligible as Fergie.  Alas, there the similarities ended.

Guarde has achieved nothing yet.  And whilst he does interview well, if Pulis had come in and got us two wins out of 14 people would be ripping their hair out.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and hope he has huge success for us over many years.  But at this stage your comments are pretty ridiculous.  And questioning the integrity of every manager we've had in the last 20 years due to limited on field success is pretty damn harsh.
 
Here we are - people ganging up against him because he has a difference of opinion...

Oh? - ups, that only works when people object to RG being shit and has to go no matter what end of season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on January 25, 2016, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 25, 2016, 04:35:12 PM
Quote from: bob on January 25, 2016, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 25, 2016, 03:13:39 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
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To me, it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades

you've worked that out after a dozen games, Bob?





Of which we've won two?  I also quite like the cut of his jib, but that is probably just because he sounds like Wenger.  The fact that we didn't get a new manager 'bounce' has pretty much done for us this season.  It's way to early for that type of hyperbole.

Forgive me for analysing him a bit more deeply than whether or not he sounds like Wenger.

For what it's worth, he does a bit, actually. And whatever you might think about Arsenals success, or lack of, over Wenger's tenure, I'd find it hard to believe anyone who didn't think Wenger was one of the more intelligent managers in the Premier League. The connection is relevant, for obvious reasons.

Well Lambert was as intelligible as Fergie.  Alas, there the similarities ended.

Guarde has achieved nothing yet.  And whilst he does interview well, if Pulis had come in and got us two wins out of 14 people would be ripping their hair out.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and hope he has huge success for us over many years.  But at this stage your comments are pretty ridiculous.  And questioning the integrity of every manager we've had in the last 20 years due to limited on field success is pretty damn harsh.
 

I don't think they are ridiculous, Chris. I'm visiualising a future with an intelligent man in charge.

The managers we've had over the last twenty years... it's a long time isn't it? What did they amount to? (I'll happily pardon Taylor).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on January 25, 2016, 04:56:24 PM
It's nothing to do ganging up or being of a different opinion.  It's just being called out on pretty ridiculous statements like 'it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades'

We're all on the same side and want him to do well.  That doesn't mean nodding along sagely when people come out with guff like this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on January 25, 2016, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: bob on January 25, 2016, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 25, 2016, 04:35:12 PM
Quote from: bob on January 25, 2016, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on January 25, 2016, 03:13:39 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 25, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
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To me, it is abundantly clear that we now have a manager with more intelligence, integrity, and quiet determination than we have seen for decades

you've worked that out after a dozen games, Bob?





Of which we've won two?  I also quite like the cut of his jib, but that is probably just because he sounds like Wenger.  The fact that we didn't get a new manager 'bounce' has pretty much done for us this season.  It's way to early for that type of hyperbole.

Forgive me for analysing him a bit more deeply than whether or not he sounds like Wenger.

For what it's worth, he does a bit, actually. And whatever you might think about Arsenals success, or lack of, over Wenger's tenure, I'd find it hard to believe anyone who didn't think Wenger was one of the more intelligent managers in the Premier League. The connection is relevant, for obvious reasons.

Well Lambert was as intelligible as Fergie.  Alas, there the similarities ended.

Guarde has achieved nothing yet.  And whilst he does interview well, if Pulis had come in and got us two wins out of 14 people would be ripping their hair out.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and hope he has huge success for us over many years.  But at this stage your comments are pretty ridiculous.  And questioning the integrity of every manager we've had in the last 20 years due to limited on field success is pretty damn harsh.
 

I don't think they are ridiculous, Chris. I'm visiualising a future with an intelligent man in charge.

The managers we've had over the last twenty years... it's a long time isn't it? What did they amount to? (I'll happily pardon Taylor).

Look, we're not a million miles apart here.  I quite like him and agree he sounds good in interviews.  But I'm not ready to make the huge leap of faith you have yet.  Of course if he follows through with a good end of season and very good year next, then I'll be right with you, albeit maybe a bit more measured in praise.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 25, 2016, 05:12:06 PM
I believe we now have a manager with ideas that match current football. I think we have to go back quite a while to find one of our managers whose ideas were not from the past.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on January 25, 2016, 05:40:25 PM
He's the manager we needed instead of McLiesh.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 25, 2016, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 25, 2016, 05:40:25 PM
He's the manager we needed instead of McLiesh.

Yes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 25, 2016, 07:11:27 PM
In a nutshell. He is the manager we needed when we got McLeish.  If we lose Remi Garde now the loss to us in the long term would make relegation seem insignificant.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2016, 07:24:17 PM
Remi is playing a smart game getting Lescott onside as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on January 25, 2016, 07:26:13 PM
Good point. Lescott has been very good for us for about a month or so now. Which is why he was spared after Gumgate and Guzan dropped.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on January 25, 2016, 07:27:09 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 25, 2016, 05:40:25 PM
He's the manager we needed instead of Houllier.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 25, 2016, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 25, 2016, 07:27:09 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 25, 2016, 05:40:25 PM
He's the manager we needed instead of Houllier.

Fixed.

Good point. Or possibly after Houllier.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on January 25, 2016, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 25, 2016, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 25, 2016, 07:27:09 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 25, 2016, 05:40:25 PM
He's the manager we needed instead of Houllier.

Fixed.

Good point. Or possibly after Houllier.

Houllier was a mistake, I think. He was too arrogant, didn't understand the club and was destined for another stint in hospital. Besides which, despite the revisionist view, he tried to change too much too soon, and was't very good.

I don't know what his circumstances were at the time, but Garde could have followed O'Neill, I think he'd still be here now and we'd be in good health.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on January 25, 2016, 07:54:15 PM
I liked Houllier and think he could have done well for us if circumstances had been different. You make a very good point about Garde following after Judas. Interesting thought.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on January 25, 2016, 07:55:13 PM
He's the manager we needed after Joe Mercer!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ger Regan on January 25, 2016, 07:58:19 PM
He only started managing Lyon in 2011, so it would have taken remarkable foresight to have hired him when O'Neill left, which is not really something the board is famed for.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 25, 2016, 08:02:34 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 25, 2016, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 25, 2016, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 25, 2016, 07:27:09 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 25, 2016, 05:40:25 PM
He's the manager we needed instead of Houllier.

Fixed.

Good point. Or possibly after Houllier.

Houllier was a mistake, I think. He was too arrogant, didn't understand the club and was destined for another stint in hospital. Besides which, despite the revisionist view, he tried to change too much too soon, and was't very good.

I don't know what his circumstances were at the time, but Garde could have followed O'Neill, I think he'd still be here now and we'd be in good health.

I disagree.  Houllier would have been the ideal sacrificial lamb, identifying the likes of Dunne/Collins/Gabby as old school luddites, whereas I think Garde would have been the perfect 'good cop' picking up the pieces after Houllier's abrasive style. 

Ultimately, I think that the club needed/needs to be broken without the boys club mentality in order to foster a better and more professional work ethic.  Houllier was ideal for this and I fear Garde could lose the good will of the crowd before this process is complete.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 25, 2016, 08:06:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 25, 2016, 07:55:13 PM
He's the manager we needed after Joe Mercer!

Joe Mercer was the manager we needed after Joe Mercer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on January 25, 2016, 08:08:47 PM
There's a measured intelligence and a sense of integrity about Garde. He's changing things gradually, the only way they can change where a culture is so deeply ingrained. When interviewed, he hasn't put his foot in it, or said anything utterly brainless, unlike his predecessors. I can't see Remi Garde saying "I just do" when asked why he thinks we'll stay up / go down.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on January 25, 2016, 11:13:12 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM
I've seen plenty of us since he arrived.  Enough to know that he is - like most others at the club - not fit for purpose.

Oh dear. The rush to judgement of some (particularly those not even here more than 15 games) is truly, jaw dropingly shocking.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 25, 2016, 11:18:10 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 25, 2016, 08:08:47 PM
There's a measured intelligence and a sense of integrity about Garde. He's changing things gradually, the only way they can change where a culture is so deeply ingrained. When interviewed, he hasn't put his foot in it, or said anything utterly brainless, unlike his predecessors. I can't see Remi Garde saying "I just do" when asked why he thinks we'll stay up / go down.

Or going on about "a Remi Garde side" like he had some sort of Fergusonian management record.

What puzzles me is how people are looking at his record and judging him no better, totally ignoring the fact that he came here 10 games into a season which was already a catastrophe, into a club with obvious problems behind the scene.

We spent the Sherwood months of this season saying how gobsmackingly shit we were. On top of that, since then, we've lost the quickest to settle signing of last summer, yet somehow some of us seem to think we should have turned it around by now. Really?

This was a relegation bus heading for a cliff (like the last episode of the Young Ones) when he arrived here, it'd be a miracle if he could turn that around. As it would have been with Big Sam, Pulis or any of the other predictable relics whose names we hear reeled out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on January 25, 2016, 11:31:39 PM
I seem to recall one of the main arguments for getting rid of Sherwood was we had assembled a strong squad of players in the summer (a few even comparing it to BFR's business in 1991) and it was only his tactical idiocy that was holding us back.

Coming into a club bottom of the league in November is far from ideal, but it is not worse than the situation Pulis inherited at Palace in 2013, and various Sunderland managers have had to contend with for the past five years.

The better managers (and Pulis) find a way. Garde hasn't.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 25, 2016, 11:36:11 PM
'When Remi Garde is backed into a corner, no one puts Remi Garde in it, Remi Garde comes out fighting.'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on January 25, 2016, 11:43:08 PM
If we could sign Patrick Swayze....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2016, 11:50:21 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on January 25, 2016, 11:31:39 PM
I seem to recall one of the main arguments for getting rid of Sherwood was we had assembled a strong squad of players in the summer (a few even comparing it to BFR's business in 1991) and it was only his tactical idiocy that was holding us back.

Coming into a club bottom of the league in November is far from ideal, but it is not worse than the situation Pulis inherited at Palace in 2013, and various Sunderland managers have had to contend with for the past five years.

The better managers (and Pulis) find a way. Garde hasn't.



The issue is we're toothless and the squad wasn't fit enough.  He's fixed the latter and it's got us to the point of being capable of holding our own but the inability to address the former is still holding us back.  If you give him a month to work on the fitness since then we've played 9: 1w/5d/3l and conceded 10 goals, the issue is we've only scored 5 so we can't turn those draws into wins.  If he can get a striker then I think we'll start to see a more realistic measure of the improvement he's made.  I think we look much more like a team capable of competing in this league now than we did for the first 10 games.  On faith I think he can find a way and has in fact found it, he's just missing a key part of the plan.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 26, 2016, 12:05:37 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on January 25, 2016, 11:31:39 PM
I seem to recall one of the main arguments for getting rid of Sherwood was we had assembled a strong squad of players in the summer (a few even comparing it to BFR's business in 1991) and it was only his tactical idiocy that was holding us back.

Coming into a club bottom of the league in November is far from ideal, but it is not worse than the situation Pulis inherited at Palace in 2013, and various Sunderland managers have had to contend with for the past five years.

The better managers (and Pulis) find a way. Garde hasn't.

Not an opinion I want to hear but your reasoning is hard to refute.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 26, 2016, 12:15:18 AM
At the beginning of the season I think most people thought that the players that were here last season were going to perform far better than they have.  In fact I would go as far to say that I do not think any one of the players has performed anywhere near how they did last season and that is shocking.

I thought the new players would be adding to what we had, not propping the side up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2016, 12:21:36 AM
I think there are key differences. Pulis walked into Palace and had Puncheon and Bolasie ready made. Those 2 playing full tilt meant he had the most un Pulis like season ever. We don't have anyone of that quality (at least that they showed that season) and their defence had already had much longer together. Sunderland are still on the brink this season, so I don't think they have done that brilliantly either, Advocaat came in with 9 to play and got 12 to save them last season, but they have not been as bad as we were when Garde arrived having lost what 8 in a row?

The new players had hardly had any game time to settle and there was clearly huge issues in the squad. I think he is 2 wins off doing a good job at the moment, as that would have us still in the hunt, as it is he is doing ok at the moment, but does show promise of someone that can do well in the longer term.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on January 26, 2016, 01:41:58 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on January 25, 2016, 11:31:39 PM
I seem to recall one of the main arguments for getting rid of Sherwood was we had assembled a strong squad of players in the summer (a few even comparing it to BFR's business in 1991) and it was only his tactical idiocy that was holding us back.

I doubt anyone would think that now.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 26, 2016, 07:53:54 AM
I'll admit I was happy with the Gestede signing based more or less on reputation alone and the fact he had scored quite a few the previous season. I figured he'd bang in the goals for us.

Had I actually scouted him myself - as I assume someone at the club did - I'd have been far less enthused.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on January 26, 2016, 08:20:05 AM
I was happy with Gestede but thought he 'd be 3rd or 4th choice. I feared for us as soon as it became apparent that we had replaced a top international centre-forward with a mid-table Championship player.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on January 26, 2016, 08:27:55 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on January 25, 2016, 08:02:34 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 25, 2016, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: Legion on January 25, 2016, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on January 25, 2016, 07:27:09 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 25, 2016, 05:40:25 PM
He's the manager we needed instead of Houllier.

Fixed.

Good point. Or possibly after Houllier.

Houllier was a mistake, I think. He was too arrogant, didn't understand the club and was destined for another stint in hospital. Besides which, despite the revisionist view, he tried to change too much too soon, and was't very good.

I don't know what his circumstances were at the time, but Garde could have followed O'Neill, I think he'd still be here now and we'd be in good health.

I disagree.  Houllier would have been the ideal sacrificial lamb, identifying the likes of Dunne/Collins/Gabby as old school luddites, whereas I think Garde would have been the perfect 'good cop' picking up the pieces after Houllier's abrasive style. 

Ultimately, I think that the club needed/needs to be broken without the boys club mentality in order to foster a better and more professional work ethic.  Houllier was ideal for this and I fear Garde could lose the good will of the crowd before this process is complete.

Agree with Jimbo re Houllier appointment was a fuck up in lots of respects. The first one in trying to put the club on a financial even keel after MON's splurge, which involved the necessity to spend £30m to avoid relegation in his sole transfer window.

The fact that we have then gone on to make bigger fuck ups (much bigger in the case of McLeish) on a regular basis subsequently doesn't make that decision good, just not as rubbish as subsequent ones.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2016, 10:08:42 AM
The rush to judge Garde is equally daft on both sides. He's done nothing to be called either not fit for purpose, or the next Arsene Wenger yet. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on January 26, 2016, 10:16:08 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2016, 10:08:42 AM
The rush to judge Garde is equally daft on both sides. He's done nothing to be called either not fit for purpose, or the next Arsene Wenger yet. 

Exactly.  Any more than 'promising' is really OTT at the moment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: damon loves JT on January 26, 2016, 10:26:04 AM
If we had enjoyed our current form immediately after the Citeh game, we'd probably have stayed up. He's stopped the bleeding but it's taken too long.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 26, 2016, 12:45:52 PM
Going back to Pulis, I bet when he saw Puncheon and Bolasie on the training pitch for the first time he was violently sick but Parish told him he couldn't sell them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2016, 10:08:42 AM
The rush to judge Garde is equally daft on both sides. He's done nothing to be called either not fit for purpose, or the next Arsene Wenger yet. 

He is somewhere in the middle but does show promise of getting better. I do like the way he deals with both players and the media though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2016, 12:51:52 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on January 26, 2016, 12:45:52 PM
Going back to Pulis, I bet when he saw Puncheon and Bolasie on the training pitch for the first time he was violently sick but Parish told him he couldn't sell them.

I can see him having a meltdown screaming "you are not meant to go past the half way line" and sending out his scouts to find any big lumps to play full back that he could.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on January 26, 2016, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2016, 10:08:42 AM
The rush to judge Garde is equally daft on both sides. He's done nothing to be called either not fit for purpose, or the next Arsene Wenger yet. 

Obviously our fortunes over the next couple of season will be how he is judged as a manager.

I would though say that he has impressed me with his dealings so far. No just seems to be getting on with it, without the  self serving pronouncements typical of a Pulis or an Allardyce.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2016, 03:03:56 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 26, 2016, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2016, 10:08:42 AM
The rush to judge Garde is equally daft on both sides. He's done nothing to be called either not fit for purpose, or the next Arsene Wenger yet. 

Obviously our fortunes over the next couple of season will be how he is judged as a manager.

I would though say that he has impressed me with his dealings so far. No just seems to be getting on with it, without the  self serving pronouncements typical of a Pulis or an Allardyce.

He appears to be getting an improvement out of the players at last, but it's not very long since he was talking about other people at the club needing to speak out, and how he couldn't be judged on things that happened before he came etc.  There have also been, and continue to be some strange team selections, eg dropping Veretout at the weekend against the bitters.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on January 26, 2016, 03:09:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2016, 03:03:56 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 26, 2016, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2016, 10:08:42 AM
The rush to judge Garde is equally daft on both sides. He's done nothing to be called either not fit for purpose, or the next Arsene Wenger yet. 

Obviously our fortunes over the next couple of season will be how he is judged as a manager.

I would though say that he has impressed me with his dealings so far. No just seems to be getting on with it, without the  self serving pronouncements typical of a Pulis or an Allardyce.

He appears to be getting an improvement out of the players at last, but it's not very long since he was talking about other people at the club needing to speak out, and how he couldn't be judged on things that happened before he came etc.  There have also been, and continue to be some strange team selections, eg dropping Veretout at the weekend against the bitters.

I didn't see that as strange at all, to me it was a player who has a suffered a dip in form being given a rest. He is 22 and new to the league so only to be expected.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2016, 03:49:56 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 26, 2016, 03:09:11 PM


I didn't see that as strange at all, to me it was a player who has a suffered a dip in form being given a rest. He is 22 and new to the league so only to be expected.

He either was or was close to being MOTM in both of the preceding league games against Palace and Leicester.  It just seemed very odd to not pick him and go with Westwood and Bacuna instead.  Then there was the Sunderland and Norwich team line ups and performances, which were horrific.  I'm glad we've improved since then and I hope it continues, but the jury is very much out for me on Garde so far.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 26, 2016, 04:42:59 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on January 26, 2016, 07:53:54 AM
I'll admit I was happy with the Gestede signing based more or less on reputation alone and the fact he had scored quite a few the previous season. I figured he'd bang in the goals for us.

Had I actually scouted him myself - as I assume someone at the club did - I'd have been far less enthused.

Remember our scouts have watched players like Luna and Crespo in action and thought they looked good signings. In fact we're better off with Paddy's computer game than the scouts, they seem to be fucking useless.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: selly park trinity on January 26, 2016, 05:26:53 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 26, 2016, 03:09:11 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2016, 03:03:56 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 26, 2016, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2016, 10:08:42 AM
The rush to judge Garde is equally daft on both sides. He's done nothing to be called either not fit for purpose, or the next Arsene Wenger yet. 

Obviously our fortunes over the next couple of season will be how he is judged as a manager.

I would though say that he has impressed me with his dealings so far. No just seems to be getting on with it, without the  self serving pronouncements typical of a Pulis or an Allardyce.

He appears to be getting an improvement out of the players at last, but it's not very long since he was talking about other people at the club needing to speak out, and how he couldn't be judged on things that happened before he came etc.  There have also been, and continue to be some strange team selections, eg dropping Veretout at the weekend against the bitters.

I didn't see that as strange at all, to me it was a player who has a suffered a dip in form being given a rest. He is 22 and new to the league so only to be expected.

Up to those 2 games he was good but especially the leicester game I thought he gave the ball away a lot in promising positions and especially second half - right in front of where I sit his crossing was atrocious.  I did think this was because he was tired so agree with Garde's selection last week 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2016, 05:31:11 PM
I don't remember him giving the ball away much, but even if he did, is he really going to waste possession as often as Bacuna?  Really?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 26, 2016, 05:34:35 PM
It was our 5th game in 14 days. It's kind of the point of having a squad so as you can rest players now and again when they need it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2016, 05:41:18 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 26, 2016, 05:34:35 PM
It was our 5th game in 14 days. It's kind of the point of having a squad so as you can rest players now and again when they need it.

That doesn't stack up in Veretout's case though, as he didn't play at all in the Wycombe replay, and all played 20 mins as a sub in the first.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 26, 2016, 05:49:05 PM
Doesn't mean he didn't need a rest though. We've all said how unfit they all looked until recently, so not only have they obviously worked on it a lot in training, we're also working a lot harder in games now. I'd prefer we rest a player when they need it than play someone that needs a rest and they either have a stinker because of it or get injured.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2016, 07:15:08 PM
Also the French lads usually have a mid season rest. I thought he looked much better at West Brom than he had the week before
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 27, 2016, 12:33:09 AM
Quote from: Risso on January 26, 2016, 05:31:11 PM
I don't remember him giving the ball away much, but even if he did, is he really going to waste possession as often as Bacuna?  Really?

I'm guessing that a fresh/fit Vertout can "win" games whereas Bacuna is seen as a holding position: a solid player that will allow the other big names to function at their best. [straws clutched].
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2016, 07:14:30 AM
I think he must have been carrying a knock out in the red zone they talk about.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on January 27, 2016, 01:13:19 PM
Nothing worth worrying about, Garde's a smart guy and knows Veretout is a better player than Bacuna, he'll be picked ahead of him for the rest of the season I'm sure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: joe_c on January 27, 2016, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: hoyle87 on January 27, 2016, 01:13:19 PM
Nothing worth worrying about, Garde's a smart guy and knows Veretout is a better player than Bacuna, he'll be picked ahead of him for the rest of the season I'm sure.

It was the Albion, he didn't feel as if we needed our strongest side obvs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 27, 2016, 01:35:50 PM
I thought Veretout looked very bright when he came on against Albion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on January 27, 2016, 03:08:08 PM
He took one corner against WBA that resulted in a decent chance for Richards , in previous game he couldn't get the ball past the first man.

Could be mental fatigue as much as anything , new league faster pace and a team in a very poor position.Sure he will come back better and he looked good in brief time against WBA
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 28, 2016, 12:00:56 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on January 25, 2016, 11:31:39 PM
I seem to recall one of the main arguments for getting rid of Sherwood was we had assembled a strong squad of players in the summer (a few even comparing it to BFR's business in 1991) and it was only his tactical idiocy that was holding us back.

Coming into a club bottom of the league in November is far from ideal, but it is not worse than the situation Pulis inherited at Palace in 2013, and various Sunderland managers have had to contend with for the past five years.

The better managers (and Pulis) find a way. Garde hasn't.

Exactly.  Yes he's inherited a mess, but you'd expect to see a little bit more than 1 win in 12. 

It's easy to say the right things in a press conference, but the results don't back it up.  It's all beginning to feel a little bit like the O'Leary nightmare.  Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 28, 2016, 12:08:59 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 28, 2016, 12:00:56 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on January 25, 2016, 11:31:39 PM
I seem to recall one of the main arguments for getting rid of Sherwood was we had assembled a strong squad of players in the summer (a few even comparing it to BFR's business in 1991) and it was only his tactical idiocy that was holding us back.

Coming into a club bottom of the league in November is far from ideal, but it is not worse than the situation Pulis inherited at Palace in 2013, and various Sunderland managers have had to contend with for the past five years.

The better managers (and Pulis) find a way. Garde hasn't.

Exactly.  Yes he's inherited a mess, but you'd expect to see a little bit more than 1 win in 12. 

It's easy to say the right things in a press conference, but the results don't back it up.  It's all beginning to feel a little bit like the O'Leary nightmare.  Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk.

I just hoped to see a semblance of organisation and a more defined playing style under him, which I think since a Sunderland, we have.  He has been dealt a crap hand when it comes to attacking options and we may have got a few more wins had that not been the case.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 28, 2016, 12:09:28 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 28, 2016, 12:00:56 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on January 25, 2016, 11:31:39 PM
I seem to recall one of the main arguments for getting rid of Sherwood was we had assembled a strong squad of players in the summer (a few even comparing it to BFR's business in 1991) and it was only his tactical idiocy that was holding us back.

Coming into a club bottom of the league in November is far from ideal, but it is not worse than the situation Pulis inherited at Palace in 2013, and various Sunderland managers have had to contend with for the past five years.

The better managers (and Pulis) find a way. Garde hasn't.

Exactly.  Yes he's inherited a mess, but you'd expect to see a little bit more than 1 win in 12. 

It's easy to say the right things in a press conference, but the results don't back it up.  It's all beginning to feel a little bit like the O'Leary nightmare.  Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk.

O'Leary couldn't even talk the talk. Sounded like a twat every time he opened his mouth.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2016, 12:31:56 AM
O'leary could not talk the talk.

He opened his mouth and I wanted to find something ram down his fucking throat. Arsehole. Still turn him off now if he is ever on the box.

With the lack of signings, if Garde gets us to over 25 points he has done well now, I hope he is backed to the hilt in the summer to create his own side.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 28, 2016, 05:15:19 AM
O'Leary and Houllier both thought they were far better communicators than they actually were.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on January 28, 2016, 06:51:08 AM
I struggle to think of too many "decent managers" who walked into such a perfect disaster as Garde did.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on January 28, 2016, 07:38:10 AM
Quote from: LTA on January 28, 2016, 12:00:56 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on January 25, 2016, 11:31:39 PM
I seem to recall one of the main arguments for getting rid of Sherwood was we had assembled a strong squad of players in the summer (a few even comparing it to BFR's business in 1991) and it was only his tactical idiocy that was holding us back.

Coming into a club bottom of the league in November is far from ideal, but it is not worse than the situation Pulis inherited at Palace in 2013, and various Sunderland managers have had to contend with for the past five years.

The better managers (and Pulis) find a way. Garde hasn't.

Exactly.  Yes he's inherited a mess, but you'd expect to see a little bit more than 1 win in 12. 

It's easy to say the right things in a press conference, but the results don't back it up.  It's all beginning to feel a little bit like the O'Leary nightmare.  Talks the talk, but can't walk the walk.

That's the thing.

O'Leary DIDNT talk the talk.

It's NOT that easy to say the right things in a press conference. If it was, why couldn't O'Leary, Houllier, Lambert or Sherwood manage to do one without coming out with something stupid?

It should be easy, if only the man in charge is thinking properly about what he is saying! Being able to do it doesn't guarantee that he will be a good manager, but it's a clue that he might be a bit smarter than some of the idiots that have gone before.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 28, 2016, 08:26:27 AM
Agree with Ads and Bob.  The wreckage RG walked into was total.  Some of the comments our managers have expressed are beyond stupid and verge on the downright offensive. Lambert's reduced fan expectations, Houllier's it was just a joke saying I did not mind losing to Liverpool, O'Leary's fickle accusation, Sherwood claiming that his plan was to play badly in the first half to lull the Knuckledraggers into a false sense of security.  Add to all that rubbish comments from the board about returning to live with his tribe and false narratives and a measure of the verbal bollocks we have been subjected to is very clear.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2016, 08:30:17 AM
I feel like Garde is the first manager in a long time who appears to be doing things that will help the club in the long term, rather than trying to make himself look good in the short term. For that reason alone he deserves time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on January 28, 2016, 09:23:56 AM
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Agree with Ads and Bob.  The wreckage RG walked into was total.  Some of the comments our managers have expressed are beyond stupid and verge on the downright offensive. Lambert's reduced fan expectations, Houllier's it was just a joke saying I did not mind losing to Liverpool, O'Leary's fickle accusation, Sherwood claiming that his plan was to play badly in the first half to lull the Knuckledraggers into a false sense of security.  Add to all that rubbish comments from the board about returning to live with his tribe and false narratives and a measure of the verbal bollocks we have been subjected to is very clear.

I am sorry but I just cannot agree with this comment. From the moment we took Stephen Ireland for James Milner + cash fan expectations have been on the slide. The next pivot was chasing Roberto Martinez and ending up with McLeish. Lambert was on a complete hiding to nothing and while he made a lot of mistakes I am not going to hold him to account for the gradual acceptance of a lower position in the food chain that seems to have gripped the entire club, on and off the pitch.

We signed some absolute dross in his time with us but that was because, after successive relegation battles, we were still trying to do things on the cheap. Those were the seasons where our current problems were being created.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: joe_c on January 28, 2016, 09:33:35 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on January 28, 2016, 09:23:56 AM
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Agree with Ads and Bob.  The wreckage RG walked into was total.  Some of the comments our managers have expressed are beyond stupid and verge on the downright offensive. Lambert's reduced fan expectations, Houllier's it was just a joke saying I did not mind losing to Liverpool, O'Leary's fickle accusation, Sherwood claiming that his plan was to play badly in the first half to lull the Knuckledraggers into a false sense of security.  Add to all that rubbish comments from the board about returning to live with his tribe and false narratives and a measure of the verbal bollocks we have been subjected to is very clear.

I am sorry but I just cannot agree with this comment. From the moment we took Stephen Ireland for James Milner + cash fan expectations have been on the slide. The next pivot was chasing Roberto Martinez and ending up with McLeish. Lambert was on a complete hiding to nothing and while he made a lot of mistakes I am not going to hold him to account for the gradual acceptance of a lower position in the food chain that seems to have gripped the entire club, on and off the pitch.

We signed some absolute dross in his time with us but that was because, after successive relegation battles, we were still trying to do things on the cheap. Those were the seasons where our current problems were being created.

I don't think Brian is saying that Lambert reduced fan's expectations but he was the one to actually express it. Which nobody wants to hear.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on January 28, 2016, 09:46:35 AM
Garde is an antibiotic whereas his predecessors since MON have been sticking plasters.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 28, 2016, 10:20:27 AM
Quote from: dave shelley on January 28, 2016, 09:46:35 AM
Garde is an antibiotic whereas his predecessors since MON have been sticking plasters.

At least two of them should have had a f##king steel enema.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on January 28, 2016, 11:21:13 AM
Remi has actually made me believe again, and that's the biggest compliment I can give the guy.

For the first time in a long time, we seem to finally have a manager who isn't afraid to say what he believes, and what he says makes sense. Hallelujah!

I don't buy the argument he should have had bigger impact - he took over the Titanic long after it had hit the iceberg and IMO, this was always about the longer term.

We have seen greater effort, greater fitness, more tactical nous, some fight, and some steel decisions that all come as a relief to what went before.

If you can get past the fact that Guardiola would not have rescued the PL survival fight, things look like they are finally stabilizing and for me, after the last 5 years, that's a reason to believe better times lay ahead in the future

Well done Mr Garde



Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on January 28, 2016, 11:24:32 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 28, 2016, 05:15:19 AM
O'Leary and Houllier both thought they were far better communicators than they actually were.

Yes. I think they are examples of less is more. Both liked the sound of their own voices. Both denigrated Villa,
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on January 28, 2016, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: gpbarr on January 28, 2016, 11:21:13 AM
Remi has actually made me believe again, and that's the biggest compliment I can give the guy.

For the first time in a long time, we seem to finally have a manager who isn't afraid to say what he believes, and what he says makes sense. Hallelujah!

I don't buy the argument he should have had bigger impact - he took over the Titanic long after it had hit the iceberg and IMO, this was always about the longer term.

We have seen greater effort, greater fitness, more tactical nous, some fight, and some steel decisions that all come as a relief to what went before.

If you can get past the fact that Guardiola would not have rescued the PL survival fight, things look like they are finally stabilizing and for me, after the last 5 years, that's a reason to believe better times lay ahead in the future

Well done Mr Garde

Agree - he has started to turn the marooned Supertanker.

This is the 6th relegation battle of which 2-3 were totally avoidable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on January 28, 2016, 11:36:18 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on January 28, 2016, 11:24:32 AM
Quote from: brian green on January 28, 2016, 05:15:19 AM
O'Leary and Houllier both thought they were far better communicators than they actually were.

Yes. I think they are examples of less is more. Both liked the sound of their own voices. Both denigrated Villa,

Both good friends too, apparently.

Pair of wankers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on January 28, 2016, 02:03:02 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on January 28, 2016, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: gpbarr on January 28, 2016, 11:21:13 AM
Remi has actually made me believe again, and that's the biggest compliment I can give the guy.

For the first time in a long time, we seem to finally have a manager who isn't afraid to say what he believes, and what he says makes sense. Hallelujah!

I don't buy the argument he should have had bigger impact - he took over the Titanic long after it had hit the iceberg and IMO, this was always about the longer term.

We have seen greater effort, greater fitness, more tactical nous, some fight, and some steel decisions that all come as a relief to what went before.

If you can get past the fact that Guardiola would not have rescued the PL survival fight, things look like they are finally stabilizing and for me, after the last 5 years, that's a reason to believe better times lay ahead in the future

Well done Mr Garde

Agree - he has started to turn the marooned Supertanker.

This is the 6th relegation battle of which 2-3 were totally avoidable.

This was the most avoidable.  Spent a fair old wedge in the summer, but with no thought about putting together a squad capable of doing OK in the Premier League.  This is why I have no confidence whatsoever in the current leadership team, I bet they still think it was the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2016, 02:17:54 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on January 28, 2016, 11:21:13 AM
Remi has actually made me believe again, and that's the biggest compliment I can give the guy.

For the first time in a long time, we seem to finally have a manager who isn't afraid to say what he believes, and what he says makes sense. Hallelujah!

I don't buy the argument he should have had bigger impact - he took over the Titanic long after it had hit the iceberg and IMO, this was always about the longer term.

We have seen greater effort, greater fitness, more tactical nous, some fight, and some steel decisions that all come as a relief to what went before.

If you can get past the fact that Guardiola would not have rescued the PL survival fight, things look like they are finally stabilizing and for me, after the last 5 years, that's a reason to believe better times lay ahead in the future

Well done Mr Garde





I agree I just have a sense he is the right man for the job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 28, 2016, 02:22:47 PM
With Garde, after he'd had ten games without a win, I at least saw enough to make me think he knew what he was doing, this coming into a club nailed to the bottom of the table with four points.

With Sherwood, after 9 or 10 games at the start of this season, he not only could i not tell what he was trying to do, whatever it was, he showed no signs of getting better at it.

Garde is no Wenger - although I am not sure I've seen anyone say he is - but if we have to go down and rebuild the team, then he is the person I want to do it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: class-of-82 on January 28, 2016, 05:39:46 PM
Makes you wonder where we would be now if garde had been appointed at the end of last season and had the benteke and delph money and what ever to spend
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on January 28, 2016, 07:35:48 PM
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Makes you wonder where we would be now if garde had been appointed at the end of last season and had the benteke and delph money and what ever to spend

17th?


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on January 28, 2016, 09:30:57 PM
I still don't know about Garde either way (I do think we could have gotten a couple more wins, though luck hasn't been a friend to Villa this season either), but he does seem to know who he doesn't want instead of blindly sticking with friends in the dressing room. This alone makes me think he knows what kind of squad he wants to have - whether I'll like it is a different matter. I just wish the club hadn't concluded that survival is unachievable because Garde probably wants to begin rebuilding; having to wait five months to get his hands on some slim funds is very depressing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on January 28, 2016, 09:35:09 PM
I hope he isn't disillusioned already by a lack of support in getting signings in to help the fight, if it is purely down to prospective players turning us down due to our catastrophic league position then fair enough.
What he had to do at Lyon was build a side from their youth teams while the established stars were sold and I would like him to do the same here , building us up from ground zero with the right culture running throughout the club.
I really wouldn't want anyone else to do this and he deserves all our support while he does.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on January 28, 2016, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on January 28, 2016, 09:35:09 PM
I hope he isn't disillusioned already by a lack of support in getting signings in to help the fight, if it is purely down to prospective players turning us down due to our catastrophic league position then fair enough.
What he had to do at Lyon was build a side from their youth teams while the established stars were sold and I would like him to do the same here , building us up from ground zero with the right culture running throughout the club.
I really wouldn't want anyone else to do this and he deserves all our support while he does.

I, for one, agree, sir.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on January 28, 2016, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 28, 2016, 06:51:08 AM
I struggle to think of too many "decent managers" who walked into such a perfect disaster as Garde did.

Pulis took over a woeful Warnock inspired Palace side and kept them up comfortably

Sherwood took over Lambert's rabble, remember the aftermath of that Hull game

The OP mentioned that managers are supposed to find a way.

Remi's way was to quickly assemble a Bomb squad 3 instead of trying to get a final lift from them

That said, we look much better at the back now despite Amavi's injury and dropping Richards and Guzan.

Ayew, Veretout and lately Gueye have improved a lot.

But our only league win was due to Hennessy literally throwing in our winner
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: in exile on January 28, 2016, 10:15:23 PM
I'm pretty sure we have won two league games
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 28, 2016, 10:27:41 PM
I'd argue that in the 2 instances you mention, there were strikers who were sufficiently adept at putting the ball in the back of the net to give themselves a chance if the defensive side of things could be remotely organised and enough players with a degree of pace and mobility that you needed someone a bit quicker than Michelangelo's David to mark your centre forwards out of the game. In addition they didn't have to walk into a dressing room that it appears was split down the middle and spend is first 4 weeks having to act like a cross between a  nursery nurse and a sergeant major to get most people pulling in the same direction.

You say bomb squad 3 was assembled too quickly, but who other than Gabby and N'Zogbia is there?

N'Zogbia was given a few chances to prove he was more useful than a spoon and failed, whilst Gabby seems to be sulking in self imposed exile. Either that or he's got a Richard Dunne type hip or hamstring or whatever he's hurt.

The one thing that's been desperately missing all season has been a decent centre forward who can actually move about a bit, score a few and for Ayew to play off.  You're right that we were lucky to get the winner against Palace the way we did, but before you criticise Garde too much on the not winning games thing, look at what he's got to do that scoring goals thing that you need to win games.
There are poor players all over the squad, but you could probably put together a reasonable first XI based on recent performances with the exception of goalkeeper (assuming that there's a good reason why Bunn has had the career he's had) and centre forward.  The two positions where even mediocrity will kill you as the inadequacies are almost invariably ruthlessly punished when exposed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: exigo on January 28, 2016, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on January 28, 2016, 09:58:30 PM
...But our only league win was due to Hennessy literally throwing in our winner

And if referees had given clearcut penalties against Leicester and West Brom, we'd have three wins under Garde. That's how luck plays out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 28, 2016, 11:13:18 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on January 28, 2016, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 28, 2016, 06:51:08 AM
I struggle to think of too many "decent managers" who walked into such a perfect disaster as Garde did.

Sherwood took over Lambert's rabble, remember the aftermath of that Hull game

I'm not sure if I'm missing some subtle irony here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: leylandalbion on January 28, 2016, 11:59:43 PM
It is clear that the current team are playing in a more structured and methodical way. Like they are being coached to do so.  Previous incumbents were either gung-ho or doing whims or playing not to lose.  If the guy is still here in August and has a decent run in *maybe a point a a game  I'm up for the future
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2016, 01:01:38 AM
If he can get up to a point a game average from the time he was appointed, without having had a chance to buy or work with them in pre season, on the back of what, 8 straight defeats, it will be a decent job. He has what, 9 in 12 games so far? So couple of wins would take him over that. Basically if we get above 32-33 points i don't think after 4 in 11 to start, many could argue that he has not done well. Only get 20, and questions should be asked.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on January 29, 2016, 08:55:32 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on January 28, 2016, 09:58:30 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 28, 2016, 06:51:08 AM
I struggle to think of too many "decent managers" who walked into such a perfect disaster as Garde did.

Pulis took over a woeful Warnock inspired Palace side and kept them up comfortably

Sherwood took over Lambert's rabble, remember the aftermath of that Hull game

The OP mentioned that managers are supposed to find a way.

Remi's way was to quickly assemble a Bomb squad 3 instead of trying to get a final lift from them

That said, we look much better at the back now despite Amavi's injury and dropping Richards and Guzan.

Ayew, Veretout and lately Gueye have improved a lot.

But our only league win was due to Hennessy literally throwing in our winner

We'd just dipped into the bottom three under Sherwood and had Christian Benteke playing for us. Equally, Palace's caretaker boss had taken more points in his four games that we had all season prior to Garde turning up.

I think the only thing remotely similar was when Ferdinand Schorner was made commander in chief of the Wehrmacht. On the 4th April 1945. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 29, 2016, 09:21:27 AM
Or when Douglas Haig was made CIGS in 1915 largely on the basis of royal connections.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on January 29, 2016, 09:35:19 AM
Not sure whether he is good bad or indifferent. He could be a stop gap  or here for the long haul. Who knows? This is Lerners Villa after all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 29, 2016, 10:50:04 AM
Replace Bacuna and Westwood for better and get a striker and GK , we could still ( I know a small stil) we could still make it but it of course wont happen.

the defence has improved , I like the french players , we play good football up the final third where we just have no killer instinct .

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dr Butler on January 29, 2016, 10:57:18 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 29, 2016, 10:50:04 AM
Replace Bacuna and Westwood for better and get a striker and GK , we could still ( I know a small stil) we could still make it but it of course wont happen.

the defence has improved , I like the french players , we play good football up the final third where we just have no killer instinct .



spot on JP

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 29, 2016, 11:00:44 AM
One thing I was annoyed about last weekend , there was not enough players getting in the box to support . This needs sorting ASAP.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldtimernow on January 29, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
What about using Amarvi when he's fit as a replacement for Westwood?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dicedlam on January 29, 2016, 11:19:56 AM
Quote from: oldtimernow on January 29, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
What about using Amarvi when he's fit as a replacement for Westwood?

Amavi played midfield for the french under 21 team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2016, 11:23:45 AM
Quote from: oldtimernow on January 29, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
What about using Amarvi when he's fit as a replacement for Westwood?

Why not use him at left-back and just get a better midfielder than Westwood?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 29, 2016, 11:24:45 AM
I'm not sold on Amavi at left back, he doesn't half bottle tackles.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2016, 11:34:06 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 29, 2016, 11:24:45 AM
I'm not sold on Amavi at left back, he doesn't half bottle tackles.

Odd, as just before he got injured he had made more tackles than any other player in the league.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 29, 2016, 11:41:18 AM
The frustrating thing is that you see how close to being competitive we are. Garde has done a great job turning that shambles of a defence around and getting the team to put a shift in. We are only a goalscorer, and goalkeeper shy of being able to do the impossible and stay up. Not likely, but even if we drop we would need those players anyway.

I hope Garde sticks around, I like him. Can see him walking in the summer though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2016, 11:41:51 AM
I really hope we don't drive away Garde with our inability to get players he wants in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2016, 11:46:31 AM
"I won't complain to take the pressure or responsibility away from me. I'm not the guy who decides how much money we spend, I can only recommend."

I may be misreading this, but that quote from Garde makes it sound like he's getting frustrated.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 29, 2016, 12:07:24 PM
It sounds like he is resigned to not getting people in.  He commented that he likes Kharzi before the window opened and he is now off to Sunderland for big money. It does look like there is bugger all too spend
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on January 29, 2016, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on January 29, 2016, 10:50:04 AM
Replace Bacuna and Westwood for better and get a striker and GK , we could still ( I know a small stil) we could still make it but it of course wont happen.

the defence has improved , I like the french players , we play good football up the final third where we just have no killer instinct .

Agree with this but only if we an get the right players for the medium and long term. A couple of loans short term is ok.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 29, 2016, 12:13:21 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2016, 11:41:51 AM
I really hope we don't drive away Garde with our inability to get players he wants in.

We are bottom of the league after all
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2016, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2016, 12:07:24 PM
It sounds like he is resigned to not getting people in.  He commented that he likes Kharzi before the window opened and he is now off to Sunderland for big money. It does look like there is bugger all too spend

And that's the thing, we're only 6 points behind Sunderland and they don't appear to have given up. I feel we're using our position as an excuse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CJ on January 29, 2016, 12:36:24 PM
We're only 6 points behind Sunderland but 10 points behind Norwich in 17th place, so realistically we have to win 4 and hope Norwich lose 4 just to catch them up, assuming Sunderland and Newcastle also drop points. Sunderland are only 4 behind Norwich so have a more realistic chance of catching them. Attracting decent players when we look like nailed on for the Championship was always going to be a big ask, and I guess we'll never know whether it was lack of funding or lack of interest from potential targets that's left us with what we've got.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 29, 2016, 12:45:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2016, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2016, 12:07:24 PM
It sounds like he is resigned to not getting people in.  He commented that he likes Kharzi before the window opened and he is now off to Sunderland for big money. It does look like there is bugger all too spend

And that's the thing, we're only 6 points behind Sunderland and they don't appear to have given up. I feel we're using our position as an excuse.

I think one of the issues is that Sunderland (and Newcastle) have a smaller gap to bridge and stay above the likes of Norwich for example. The clubs like Norwich, Bournemouth are buying to stay ahead of Sunderland and Newcastle.

If the other clubs had not been buying, we could get an advantage by bringing players but now we would have to improve more against improved squads. There are a lot of ifs and buts there as it depends on quality and whether buying improves a squad or just adds more reserve.

We have a difficult situation. Some people suggest we should at least try, which is fine, if it does not wreck our future. I believe one thing we should not do is drastically over pay just to get players in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on January 29, 2016, 01:58:36 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 29, 2016, 12:45:00 PM

I think one of the issues is that Sunderland (and Newcastle) have a smaller gap to bridge and stay above the likes of Norwich for example. The clubs like Norwich, Bournemouth are buying to stay ahead of Sunderland and Newcastle.

If the other clubs had not been buying, we could get an advantage by bringing players but now we would have to improve more against improved squads. There are a lot of ifs and buts there as it depends on quality and whether buying improves a squad or just adds more reserve.

We have a difficult situation. Some people suggest we should at least try, which is fine, if it does not wreck our future. I believe one thing we should not do is drastically over pay just to get players in.

A very fair summary. I'm as pissed off as anyone that a crap squad is not being added to. However, we may have to accept that we haven't reached the end of our downward cycle yet, that comes in May. We could throw a few million around, increase the wage bill and get a bit closer to safety points wise but still finish 19th or 20th, this would harm the start of our upward trajectory which has to begin in May, for the first time in over 5 years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2016, 02:17:19 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 29, 2016, 12:45:00 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2016, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2016, 12:07:24 PM
It sounds like he is resigned to not getting people in.  He commented that he likes Kharzi before the window opened and he is now off to Sunderland for big money. It does look like there is bugger all too spend

And that's the thing, we're only 6 points behind Sunderland and they don't appear to have given up. I feel we're using our position as an excuse.

I think one of the issues is that Sunderland (and Newcastle) have a smaller gap to bridge and stay above the likes of Norwich for example. The clubs like Norwich, Bournemouth are buying to stay ahead of Sunderland and Newcastle.

If the other clubs had not been buying, we could get an advantage by bringing players but now we would have to improve more against improved squads. There are a lot of ifs and buts there as it depends on quality and whether buying improves a squad or just adds more reserve.

We have a difficult situation. Some people suggest we should at least try, which is fine, if it does not wreck our future. I believe one thing we should not do is drastically over pay just to get players in.

The problem with that is the assumption that all signings in January are panic buys. That's not the case if you assess your targets correctly and it's not just about survival we could do with getting some players in now so they're bedded in by the time we're potentially facing up to the Championship next season. I agree we shouldn't be bidding £20 million for someone who normally would be valued at £8 million, but there is a middle ground. We should be trying to recruit now to start our preparations for next season whichever league we're in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 29, 2016, 04:10:08 PM
John Carew, Ashley Young. Not panic buys and no money over the odds. Charlie Austin, not a panic buy. There's deals to be done, not that I'm expecting them to be at that end of the scale but Europe is full of players who would jump at the chance of coming to England. I don't expect that all our summer signings will be English based players, I'd be very surprised. I don't think we've scouted much the players at the level who would join us no matter what division we are in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on January 29, 2016, 04:40:47 PM
I think we'll get 1-2 in on the last day. Until then I suspect any player we sniff at will wait to see if a better option comes along.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 29, 2016, 05:11:07 PM
Charlie Austin wouldn't be a panic buy, but why would he join us to probably end up back in the Championship a few months later, and almost certainly on less money than he was on at QPR never mind what he's now earning at Saints? I agree that there are players around Europe who'd join us but I don't get the regular Austin comments when there was zero chance he's join us, and if any of us were him, we wouldn't have come either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 29, 2016, 05:57:08 PM
I guess Austin gets brought up as an example that all transfers in January don't have to be donkeys for the price of racehorses.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on January 29, 2016, 09:50:16 PM
Surely Garde wouldn't have joined if there was no money to spend. He would have made it a condition.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 29, 2016, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: ez on January 29, 2016, 09:50:16 PM
Surely Garde wouldn't have joined if there was no money to spend. He would have made it a condition.

Surely we wouldn't have given him the job if he was demanding lots of money though?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on January 29, 2016, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: dicedlam on January 29, 2016, 11:19:56 AM
Quote from: oldtimernow on January 29, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
What about using Amarvi when he's fit as a replacement for Westwood?

Amavi played midfield for the french under 21 team.

Interesting.  I think one of the positions we are struggling in at the moment is the left side of the midfield three.  Westwood is currently playing there, but is not what we need.  We need someone with a bit of pace and drive, qualities that Amavi definitely has.

Didn't see a lot of him so it might be a rash call, but I wasn't sold on him as a left back fro what I saw as he looked very fragile when defending.  Cissokho is the other way round really, decent defensively but poor on the ball and going forward.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 29, 2016, 10:28:29 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2016, 12:25:58 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 29, 2016, 12:07:24 PM
It sounds like he is resigned to not getting people in.  He commented that he likes Kharzi before the window opened and he is now off to Sunderland for big money. It does look like there is bugger all too spend

And that's the thing, we're only 6 points behind Sunderland and they don't appear to have given up. I feel we're using our position as an excuse.

My feeling as well. The Board have decided we are going down and they do not want to spend any money for this season or next season this window. I still believe Garde is going to walk over this, he doesnt seem like the kind of guy who takes a switcheroo lightly. I guess we will find out.

It is all pretty grim though. I find it very hard to take when the board have decided we cant compete with the likes of Sunderland or Newcastle. I mean, thats pretty fucking bad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 29, 2016, 10:45:02 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on January 29, 2016, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: ez on January 29, 2016, 09:50:16 PM
Surely Garde wouldn't have joined if there was no money to spend. He would have made it a condition.

Surely we wouldn't have given him the job if he was demanding lots of money though?

It might be my memory (again), but I'm sure when he joined Garde said that they'd discussed budgets for now and the summer and that regardless of the outcome of this season they were all agreed on what needed to be done to turn the club around.

I'm pretty convinced there were deals lined up in December, but the whole thing fell apart on the back of the double f##k up against Sunderland and Norwich.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 30, 2016, 08:12:43 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 29, 2016, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: dicedlam on January 29, 2016, 11:19:56 AM
Quote from: oldtimernow on January 29, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
What about using Amarvi when he's fit as a replacement for Westwood?

Amavi played midfield for the french under 21 team.

Interesting.  I think one of the positions we are struggling in at the moment is the left side of the midfield three.  Westwood is currently playing there, but is not what we need.  We need someone with a bit of pace and drive, qualities that Amavi definitely has.

Didn't see a lot of him so it might be a rash call, but I wasn't sold on him as a left back fro what I saw as he looked very fragile when defending.  Cissokho is the other way round really, decent defensively but poor on the ball and going forward.

for what i have seen seen of amavi he is a left sided midfielder all day long

for me he is too much of a bottler to have at full back, he could be a fantastic option in midfield and could really do some damage
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2016, 08:24:56 AM
Amavi looks like a winger but due to his exceptional ability to read the game in front of him has become a full back because of the speed of interceptions he makes. No reason he could not go back into midfield though and I think he would quickly become our star man there. We miss him terribly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on January 30, 2016, 08:49:02 AM
As others have said, the difficulty in bringing people in early in the window is one of our apparently-hopeless league position. It wouldn't surprise me to see a couple of players currently in the Championship coming in over this weekend / Monday, to provide steel where needed in the current squad and experience if we indeed take the drop.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on January 30, 2016, 11:13:38 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on January 29, 2016, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: ez on January 29, 2016, 09:50:16 PM
Surely Garde wouldn't have joined if there was no money to spend. He would have made it a condition.

Surely we wouldn't have given him the job if he was demanding lots of money though?

It would be daft not to insist on some money as we were bottom of the league at the time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 30, 2016, 11:31:46 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2016, 08:24:56 AM
Amavi looks like a winger but due to his exceptional ability to read the game in front of him has become a full back because of the speed of interceptions he makes. No reason he could not go back into midfield though and I think he would quickly become our star man there. We miss him terribly.

definately he would be the bollocks in midfield

with cissokho behind him. i like a full back who is solid and gets a nose bleed when he gets over the half way line
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 30, 2016, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on January 29, 2016, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: dicedlam on January 29, 2016, 11:19:56 AM
Quote from: oldtimernow on January 29, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
What about using Amarvi when he's fit as a replacement for Westwood?

Amavi played midfield for the french under 21 team.

Interesting.  I think one of the positions we are struggling in at the moment is the left side of the midfield three.  Westwood is currently playing there, but is not what we need.  We need someone with a bit of pace and drive, qualities that Amavi definitely has.

Didn't see a lot of him so it might be a rash call, but I wasn't sold on him as a left back fro what I saw as he looked very fragile when defending.  Cissokho is the other way round really, decent defensively but poor on the ball and going forward.
This is why I believe Cissokho was recalled, a solid defender but not much else and when Amavi is fit, a good left sided midfielder. Sorted on the left side, with no additional money spent = good management.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2016, 04:29:51 PM
See if the board aren't very careful Remi might decide to just fuck off and since we haven't really bothered with trying to make an effort this transfer window we'll probably bomb the second half of the season and that's not going to make us a very enticing proposition in the summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on January 30, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Still think he's brilliant do we?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2016, 04:40:07 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 30, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Still think he's brilliant do we?

I still think that we shouldn't sack him if we stay up like you ludicrously do, yes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2016, 04:41:21 PM
No one said he's brilliant, people have said he needs time. Today just illustrates how weak our squad is. We needed to rest players and we can't compete. Also try to contain your delight in Villa losing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 30, 2016, 04:54:19 PM
westwood and bucana are his favourites then ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 30, 2016, 04:54:46 PM
My god do we need Garde to turn out to be the second coming of Taylor. There is so much work to be done in the summer. The squad is rotten throughout.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on January 30, 2016, 04:57:45 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 30, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Still think he's brilliant do we?
No one said brilliant but he is the best we can have in our situation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 30, 2016, 04:59:59 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 30, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Still think he's brilliant do we?

Have you been waiting for this moment for five games?

You obviously can barely contain your excitement
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on January 30, 2016, 05:00:09 PM
Just walk away Remi
You won't see me follow you back home
The empty sidewalks on my block are not the same
You're not to blame
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 30, 2016, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 30, 2016, 04:54:46 PM
My god do we need Garde to turn out to be the second coming of Taylor. There is so much work to be done in the summer. The squad is rotten throughout.

There was so much work to be done this window and yet the board decided otherwise. I have zero confidence they will back Garde in the summer either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2016, 05:00:56 PM
Quote from: olaftab on January 30, 2016, 04:57:45 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 30, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Still think he's brilliant do we?
No one said brilliant but he is the best we can have in our situation.

No that's it people have said he's shown enough to demonstrate he's trying to fix the club beyond the short term, but he needs support from the board to do that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 30, 2016, 05:01:41 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 30, 2016, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 30, 2016, 04:54:46 PM
My god do we need Garde to turn out to be the second coming of Taylor. There is so much work to be done in the summer. The squad is rotten throughout.

There was so much work to be done this window and yet the board decided otherwise. I have zero confidence they will back Garde in the summer either.

They won't back him with money, they will back him with talk of stability, processes being put in place and 5 year plans. Cheap words, we need actions.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 30, 2016, 05:03:06 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 30, 2016, 05:01:41 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 30, 2016, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 30, 2016, 04:54:46 PM
My god do we need Garde to turn out to be the second coming of Taylor. There is so much work to be done in the summer. The squad is rotten throughout.

There was so much work to be done this window and yet the board decided otherwise. I have zero confidence they will back Garde in the summer either.

They won't back him with money, they will back him with talk of stability, processes being put in place and 5 year plans. Cheap words, we need actions.


Awful but sounds right. What a state.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 30, 2016, 05:04:48 PM
I understand all the shit team, shit transfer window, shit board, shit owner comments on here but Garde is surely not above criticism? And as for him walking in the summer, I'm not sure which club would take him. Today's result was shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2016, 05:05:35 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2016, 04:41:21 PM
No one said he's brilliant, people have said he needs time. Today just illustrates how weak our squad is. We needed to rest players and we can't compete. Also try to contain your delight in Villa losing.

no doubt the squad is weak but giving that City side a decent game of it today is hardly too much to ask for.

the side looked a disorganised demotivated rabble today, we dont look as if we can even get a shot on target never mind scoring a goal

getting shot of the likes of Richards and Flabby is an immediate priority for Garde imo, their appalling lack of professionalism is weakening his authority in the dressing room if the collective "effort" in the second half is anything to go by. He needs to bring in a captain asap

thought bringing on Grealish when 4-0 down with 10 mins ago was a touch vindictive too, he needs to get him back onside as a priority
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2016, 05:06:57 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 30, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Still think he's brilliant do we?

I can hear your celebrations of the result today from here
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 30, 2016, 05:07:19 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 30, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Still think he's brilliant do we?

Has anybody said he is brilliant?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 30, 2016, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 30, 2016, 05:04:48 PM
I understand all the shit team, shit transfer window, shit board, shit owner comments on here but Garde is surely not above criticism? And as for him walking in the summer, I'm not sure which club would take him. Today's result was shit.

I'm a fan of Garde. Mostly based on him talking the talk but I can't deny that the results on the whole have been shit and there have been some seriously shambolic performances, today probably the 4th or 5th under him. I honestly don't think he can turn this group of players around, that's why he needs money and a serious overhaul during the summer of the squad.

It should have started now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2016, 05:09:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 30, 2016, 05:06:57 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 30, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Still think he's brilliant do we?

I can hear your celebrations of the result today from here

I had my suspicions (Loves The Albion)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: malckennedy on January 30, 2016, 05:15:26 PM
Read this site daily but rarely post. However, could not help my need to express that LTA is by far the biggest knobhead I've ever read on here. This includes sundry Bluenoses, Smethwick fans and red scousers over the years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2016, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: malckennedy on January 30, 2016, 05:15:26 PM
Read this site daily but rarely post. However, could not help my need to express that LTA is by far the biggest knobhead I've ever read on here. This includes sundry Bluenoses, Smethwick fans and red scousers over the years.

Malc, in the nicest possible way - if you're going to use your rare posts to insult people, please go back to just reading.

He's clearly utterly wrong, but insulting him isn't going to help anything.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 30, 2016, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 30, 2016, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: malckennedy on January 30, 2016, 05:15:26 PM
Read this site daily but rarely post. However, could not help my need to express that LTA is by far the biggest knobhead I've ever read on here. This includes sundry Bluenoses, Smethwick fans and red scousers over the years.

Malc, in the nicest possible way - if you're going to use your rare posts to insult people, please go back to just reading.

He's clearly utterly wrong, but insulting him isn't going to help anything.

I understand what you are saying Dave and fully agree with you but the guy winds up even the most passive of posters.  I was going to comment myself but then thought why the f*** should I bother.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2016, 06:28:43 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 30, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Still think he's brilliant do we?

(http://img.playground.ru/images/2/2/80054-South-Park-orgasm-meme-Randy-M-DWge.jpeg)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2016, 06:32:28 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 30, 2016, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 30, 2016, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: malckennedy on January 30, 2016, 05:15:26 PM
Read this site daily but rarely post. However, could not help my need to express that LTA is by far the biggest knobhead I've ever read on here. This includes sundry Bluenoses, Smethwick fans and red scousers over the years.

Malc, in the nicest possible way - if you're going to use your rare posts to insult people, please go back to just reading.

He's clearly utterly wrong, but insulting him isn't going to help anything.

I understand what you are saying Dave and fully agree with you but the guy winds up even the most passive of posters.  I was going to comment myself but then thought why the f*** should I bother.

We're all in agreement on his actual point, but people should be allowed to post on here without being called 'knobheads', in spite of how objectionable their posts might seem to be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on January 30, 2016, 07:08:06 PM
I would not be surprised if Remi Garde decides to call it a day soon. He is not getting the results and I suspect the powers that be are not going to back him with needed finance to improve the club. The players he wants out have no intention of going anywhere with the contracts they are on. Much as I like the bloke I would have expected a few more points by now. But if he is getting no backing what chance does he have?  He has no chance at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 30, 2016, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 30, 2016, 07:08:06 PM
I would not be surprised if Remi Garde decides to call it a day soon. He is not getting the results and I suspect the powers that be are not going to back him with needed finance to improve the club. The players he wants out have no intention of going anywhere with the contracts they are on. Much as I like the bloke I would have expected a few more points by now. But if he is getting no backing what chance does he have?  He has no chance at all.

If he goes we are truly fucked and the rest of the season will melt down in to civil war.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on January 30, 2016, 07:13:50 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 30, 2016, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 30, 2016, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: malckennedy on January 30, 2016, 05:15:26 PM
Read this site daily but rarely post. However, could not help my need to express that LTA is by far the biggest knobhead I've ever read on here. This includes sundry Bluenoses, Smethwick fans and red scousers over the years.

Malc, in the nicest possible way - if you're going to use your rare posts to insult people, please go back to just reading.

He's clearly utterly wrong, but insulting him isn't going to help anything.

I understand what you are saying Dave and fully agree with you but the guy winds up even the most passive of posters.  I was going to comment myself but then thought why the f*** should I bother.


Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2016, 06:28:43 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 30, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Still think he's brilliant do we?

(http://img.playground.ru/images/2/2/80054-South-Park-orgasm-meme-Randy-M-DWge.jpeg)

Is this a transfer clue? Are we after Müller?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on January 30, 2016, 07:16:23 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 30, 2016, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 30, 2016, 07:08:06 PM
I would not be surprised if Remi Garde decides to call it a day soon. He is not getting the results and I suspect the powers that be are not going to back him with needed finance to improve the club. The players he wants out have no intention of going anywhere with the contracts they are on. Much as I like the bloke I would have expected a few more points by now. But if he is getting no backing what chance does he have?  He has no chance at all.

If he goes we are truly fucked and the rest of the season will melt down in to civil war.
I have a feeling (and it is only a feeling) that Garde is no quitter and will be here a while yet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2016, 07:17:35 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 30, 2016, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 30, 2016, 07:08:06 PM
I would not be surprised if Remi Garde decides to call it a day soon. He is not getting the results and I suspect the powers that be are not going to back him with needed finance to improve the club. The players he wants out have no intention of going anywhere with the contracts they are on. Much as I like the bloke I would have expected a few more points by now. But if he is getting no backing what chance does he have?  He has no chance at all.

If he goes we are truly fucked and the rest of the season will melt down in to civil war.

Did you really just say we will melt down in to civil war?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2016, 07:20:05 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on January 30, 2016, 07:13:50 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 30, 2016, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 30, 2016, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: malckennedy on January 30, 2016, 05:15:26 PM
Read this site daily but rarely post. However, could not help my need to express that LTA is by far the biggest knobhead I've ever read on here. This includes sundry Bluenoses, Smethwick fans and red scousers over the years.

Malc, in the nicest possible way - if you're going to use your rare posts to insult people, please go back to just reading.

He's clearly utterly wrong, but insulting him isn't going to help anything.

I understand what you are saying Dave and fully agree with you but the guy winds up even the most passive of posters.  I was going to comment myself but then thought why the f*** should I bother.


Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2016, 06:28:43 PM
Quote from: LTA on January 30, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Still think he's brilliant do we?

(http://img.playground.ru/images/2/2/80054-South-Park-orgasm-meme-Randy-M-DWge.jpeg)

Is this a transfer clue? Are we after Müller?

David Seaman?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on January 30, 2016, 07:32:11 PM
Quote from: Dave on January 30, 2016, 05:44:55 PM
Quote from: malckennedy on January 30, 2016, 05:15:26 PM
Read this site daily but rarely post. However, could not help my need to express that LTA is by far the biggest knobhead I've ever read on here. This includes sundry Bluenoses, Smethwick fans and red scousers over the years.

Malc, in the nicest possible way - if you're going to use your rare posts to insult people, please go back to just reading.

He's clearly utterly wrong, but insulting him isn't going to help anything.

Agreed. The way to deal with LTA is to just amuse oneself with his posts - they really are quite funny. Then when you stop laughing, get back to the serious debate
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 30, 2016, 07:58:00 PM
Possibly the right manager at the wrong time if that makes one iota of sense.  I think he will walk personally obviously sold a good story to bring  me to The Villa. 

You can't just use your fingers to dig a ditch.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 30, 2016, 08:06:06 PM
I know it will not happen but the club should give it until we are absolutely certain to go down and make a strong statement of what they intend to do in the summer ready for next season.  The fans are getting p***** off with weak comments.  Even if it is something we may not like to hear, at least be honest so that the supporters understand the position.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 30, 2016, 08:10:55 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 30, 2016, 08:06:06 PM
I know it will not happen but the club should give it until we are absolutely certain to go down and make a strong statement of what they intend to do in the summer ready for next season.  The fans are getting p***** off with weak comments.  Even if it is something we may not like to hear, at least be honest so that the supporters understand the position.
It was 2 weeks ago that the Chairman and CEO made comments, not sure what more you expect.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on January 30, 2016, 08:28:04 PM
I'm certainly not naive but it's inconceivable to me that he would walk so soon into his contract.  He strikes me as the type of bloke who has always seen the job as the challenge that it is.

If he turns this around, whatever division we're in, he will have enhanced his reputation no end and will know football for what it is, shallow.  Turn us into a proper competetive  football club with a strong organised footing and the real big boys will come calling.

Anyway, I'm off to the pub in a minute.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on January 30, 2016, 08:34:04 PM
Watching the game today I said to my son that Garde must feel like a boxer fighting with one arm tied behind him, we played well until we had to defend or punch a way through their defence, I really hope he isn't a quitter and can (single handed) turn this car crash of a club around.
The board who are supposed to be backing him is the big problem he and we have, absolute disgrace in their non actions and platitudes , fucking Hollis is a Man City fan, how galling is that?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 30, 2016, 08:52:44 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 30, 2016, 08:10:55 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 30, 2016, 08:06:06 PM
I know it will not happen but the club should give it until we are absolutely certain to go down and make a strong statement of what they intend to do in the summer ready for next season.  The fans are getting p***** off with weak comments.  Even if it is something we may not like to hear, at least be honest so that the supporters understand the position.
It was 2 weeks ago that the Chairman and CEO made comments, not sure what more you expect.

A start would be an honest summary of this transfer window.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Fasth56 on January 30, 2016, 08:53:19 PM
Interesting facts tweeted by FatMan Brazil this morning, NUFC have spent £3.4M more than 18 Bundesliga sides combined
£2.19m more than all 20 Serie A sides combined, £19.61m more than 20 La Liga sides combined and £23.7m more than all 20 Ligue 1 sides combined. They have also spent £75M since the summer. They are knackered if they down.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 30, 2016, 08:57:51 PM
According to Kendrick* Garde said he will stay till the end of the season regardless and still hopes to make a signing this window.

As Garde so far has been honest with what he says I take that as somewhat good news.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-10812125

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-0-manchester-city-10812126

*hattip VT generaljazzman

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 30, 2016, 09:04:01 PM
Is the one player expected to be Debuchy?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 30, 2016, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: Fasth56 on January 30, 2016, 08:53:19 PM
Interesting facts tweeted by FatMan Brazil this morning, NUFC have spent £3.4M more than 18 Bundesliga sides combined
£2.19m more than all 20 Serie A sides combined, £19.61m more than 20 La Liga sides combined and £23.7m more than all 20 Ligue 1 sides combined. They have also spent £75M since the summer. They are knackered if they down.

Can I ask why they should be? That is a reasonable spend for a premier league club which has tightened budgets for several seasons but now is re investing for the future. They can easily afford it even in the championship assuming they have got relegation cluases in the contracts.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 30, 2016, 09:06:57 PM
A lot thought they were knackered last time they went down. They weren't.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2016, 10:24:56 PM
The one player they bought last summer that has covered their ills in the first half of the season is Wijnaldum - he has been exceptional

Mclaren is an awful manager though, with a very strong Derby bottled it last season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on January 30, 2016, 10:38:56 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 30, 2016, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on January 30, 2016, 05:04:48 PM
I understand all the shit team, shit transfer window, shit board, shit owner comments on here but Garde is surely not above criticism? And as for him walking in the summer, I'm not sure which club would take him. Today's result was shit.

I'm a fan of Garde. Mostly based on him talking the talk but I can't deny that the results on the whole have been shit and there have been some seriously shambolic performances, today probably the 4th or 5th under him. I honestly don't think he can turn this group of players around, that's why he needs money and a serious overhaul during the summer of the squad.

It should have started now.

Problem is we've given him a 25 piece jigsaw, but 9 of them are the same, 6 or 7 belong to another puzzle, there are no corners, but they come in a lovely box. Until he can dump them and buy his own pieces it'll never fit properly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 31, 2016, 02:13:23 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 30, 2016, 08:52:44 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on January 30, 2016, 08:10:55 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 30, 2016, 08:06:06 PM
I know it will not happen but the club should give it until we are absolutely certain to go down and make a strong statement of what they intend to do in the summer ready for next season.  The fans are getting p***** off with weak comments.  Even if it is something we may not like to hear, at least be honest so that the supporters understand the position.
It was 2 weeks ago that the Chairman and CEO made comments, not sure what more you expect.

A start would be an honest summary of this transfer window.
I think the actions speak pretty loudly, I am not sure they ever would say
1. We have thrown the towel in
2. No one we are interested in wants to join.
 Which I guess is the answer, I understand the frustration though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 31, 2016, 07:22:09 AM
Still in the undecided camp as regards Remi, but feel real pity in some ways for what he has inherited, but we all agreed or the majority did that the nucleus of the squad was good enough, it was just Tactics Tim that did not know how to get the best out of them.

I think what we are seeing, one win in all his league games, shows how we over estimated the quality of what we actually had within the squad.

The asset strippers that he now has around him, I believe will be enough to see him wave good bye come June, as I am sure he was promised some support especially in this window, regardless of our position, this for whatever reason has not been forthcoming, or not up to today 31st Jan, he was probably promised a very very fat bonus if he kept us up and I am sure like most managers and ourselves, believed he could get more out of the group than what he has been able to, but was totally unaware of the open sore that runs though every department of Villa park and especially through the playing department and that the sore only needed a plaster, when in fact it needed amputation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 31, 2016, 07:29:57 AM
I would hope the reality is that limited funds were and are available, but we have plumbed depths of such  extreme shiteness that players simply do not want to come here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on January 31, 2016, 07:56:51 AM
I can't imagine for one moment that Garde is happy to continue with the same squad for the rest of the season. If nothing else, they need some fresh faces to try and lift aide as it stands the second half will not be much better than the first half of the season.

When the inevitable happens, surely the players would want to start nest season with a bit of belief, not a sense of "oh shit, the season is about to start".

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2016, 09:17:01 AM
What the arrival and presence of Remi Garde has brought about is the long, long overdue reality check at the club. Ever since the purchase of the club by Lerner there has been a culture of short term thinking.  The early days of reckless spending were every bit as bad as the penny pinching that has followed them.  The common denominator of all those seasons and of all the managers prior to Remi Garde has been the flopping from one short term fix to another and each has been as big a failure as its predecessor.  The same can be said of the managers.

I do not know if the bringing in of Remi Garde was a deliberate act to bring about a reality check or whether like so much of recent Villa history it just happened.  I suspect it is the latter because there has been nobody, especially the owner, at the club with the intelligence or the balls to act with such radical foresight.   Planned or not, it has happened.

As Garde himself put it, he arrived in an ambulance.  The club is now on the table in the operating theatre.

Remi Garde inherited nothing of any value.  He got a squad  full of poor, demoralised, unfit, undisciplined players.  He had just lost his two best players.  He could not get his chosen back up to come with him.  He got an owner who wants nothing to do with the club he owns.  The players he did get performed so weakly against Watford, Sunderland and Norwich in key six point games that we were cut adrift and the possibility of better players wanting to come to us in the window evaporated.

So here we are.  All we have is the future.   Nothing else matters.  The choice before us is a stark one.  Do we try to rebuild the team from the very foundations or do we stagger into a future of more of the same?

Money has clearly been limited and behind the PR that is what Hollis is here for, among other things to keep in his place a CEO who uses expressions like "false narrative" and cuts deals involving short lists of one.

In short I cannot think of a worse situation for any manager to find himself in.

Whether he is here by accident or design I don't know or care.  He has to be backed by the owner, the board, his colleagues, the players and the fans.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 31, 2016, 09:45:19 AM
But that is what worries me Brian, I do not think he will be backed to the extent he will require and thou it is the club we all love, he has no more than a professional interest through his own career in Aston Villa, if he goes in June it will be a stain on his CV, but a stain that will 99.99999% state "Fucked up in the USA"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on January 31, 2016, 09:56:30 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on January 31, 2016, 09:45:19 AM
But that is what worries me Brian, I do not think he will be backed to the extent he will require and thou it is the club we all love, he has no more than a professional interest through his own career in Aston Villa, if he goes in June it will be a stain on his CV, but a stain that will 99.99999% state "Fucked up in the USA"

If by 23.00 Monday night the club have still not brought anybody in either on loan or a full transfer you have your answer!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2016, 10:03:03 AM
Credit to Remi for taking the job under those circumstances. No one will hold him responsible for what went before. I didn't agree with him being appointed but see the grace and dignity in which he carries himself. I think he understands the fans anger and does need to be backed. Like others, I have no faith at all in Lerner, Hollis or Fox. Equally, we will not plan properly for the drop, other than to cut costs. There is a difference between cutting costs and planning to get back quickly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BC Villain on January 31, 2016, 10:10:53 AM
Reading some of the comments he made in interviews after the game, I can see him walking once the season ends.

No doubt the press (who seem desperate for him to fail) will declare him a disaster and blame him for relegation, but what chance has he got? The board clearly won't back him and he's had no help whatsoever.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 31, 2016, 10:18:32 AM
The set up at Villa park with the likes of Fox, Lerner and now Hollis have their own inbuilt bull shit detector, to the extent that the bull shit they spread, they have an alarm system that goes off when it is not being believed and I think they are well aware that Garde is nobody's fool, keep the purse strings tight, because as we have done on numerous occasions the wheel will start spinning again come June.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 31, 2016, 10:28:24 AM
I don't think we'd have played worse yesterday if Sherwood or Lambert had been manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on January 31, 2016, 10:29:41 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on January 30, 2016, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: Fasth56 on January 30, 2016, 08:53:19 PM
Interesting facts tweeted by FatMan Brazil this morning, NUFC have spent £3.4M more than 18 Bundesliga sides combined
£2.19m more than all 20 Serie A sides combined, £19.61m more than 20 La Liga sides combined and £23.7m more than all 20 Ligue 1 sides combined. They have also spent £75M since the summer. They are knackered if they down.

Can I ask why they should be? That is a reasonable spend for a premier league club which has tightened budgets for several seasons but now is re investing for the future. They can easily afford it even in the championship assuming they have got relegation cluases in the contracts.



They are not run by a bunch of yellow bellies like we are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on January 31, 2016, 10:29:56 AM
Quote from: BC Villain on January 31, 2016, 10:10:53 AM
Reading some of the comments he made in interviews after the game, I can see him walking once the season ends.

No doubt the press (who seem desperate for him to fail) will declare him a disaster and blame him for relegation, but what chance has he got? The board clearly won't back him and he's had no help whatsoever.

I don't see it myself. He has explicitly stated that he knew what he was letting himself in for and that he wants to be here next season. He is no fool so must have had a pretty good idea that the job was probably going to be about rebuilding after relegation but must have been convinced that the will was there to support him. I also think that structure now in place is the right way to go. Whether or not that structure is manned by the correct people only time will tell.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 31, 2016, 10:35:31 AM
Chris , I honestly believe what you are saying was correct, at the time of him taking the job, that has now changed and I also believe he will feel he was lied to.
He is or appears to be a straight forward person, but he is also and has been for a long time involved in professional football, I should imagine he is not a Sherwood type mouthing of to the press, but he will bide his time and allow the shit feast to be layed firmly at the feet of the owner and his off the field management set up, so his reputation remains as little as possible damaged by it and with the statements already coming out from Randys new yes man, this will be done very easily for him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
God I hope not. Garde is the one bright spot I think we've got at the moment. If he goes we'll be totally fucked.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2016, 10:44:43 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
God I hope not. Garde is the one bright spot I think we've got at the moment. If he goes we'll be totally fucked.
Absolutely!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on January 31, 2016, 10:49:02 AM
Quote from: Chris Harte on January 30, 2016, 07:16:23 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 30, 2016, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on January 30, 2016, 07:08:06 PM
I would not be surprised if Remi Garde decides to call it a day soon. He is not getting the results and I suspect the powers that be are not going to back him with needed finance to improve the club. The players he wants out have no intention of going anywhere with the contracts they are on. Much as I like the bloke I would have expected a few more points by now. But if he is getting no backing what chance does he have?  He has no chance at all.

If he goes we are truly fucked and the rest of the season will melt down in to civil war.
I have a feeling (and it is only a feeling) that Garde is no quitter and will be here a while yet.

I think so to but villa is an exceptional case, and not in a good way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on January 31, 2016, 11:25:21 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on January 31, 2016, 10:35:31 AM
Chris , I honestly believe what you are saying was correct, at the time of him taking the job, that has now changed and I also believe he will feel he was lied to.
He is or appears to be a straight forward person, but he is also and has been for a long time involved in professional football, I should imagine he is not a Sherwood type mouthing of to the press, but he will bide his time and allow the shit feast to be layed firmly at the feet of the owner and his off the field management set up, so his reputation remains as little as possible damaged by it and with the statements already coming out from Randys new yes man, this will be done very easily for him.

You could well be right, time will tell. I suppose my more optimistic view is based on the thought that preparing for next season while being unable to be explicit about it now would look like what we now have. I base that on Garde convincing me he is a man to be trusted and thinking that he and Fox appear to be on the same page.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TonyD on January 31, 2016, 11:33:55 AM
If Villa was a country, we'd be Zimbabwe. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2016, 11:38:18 AM
His comments yesterday suggest he will be gone in may.  If I were him I would walk tomorrow night.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2016, 11:40:33 AM
Quote from: TonyD on January 31, 2016, 11:33:55 AM
If Villa was a country, we'd be Zimbabwe. 

Could be worse, sha would be Scotland, play in blue, are shit, are used to failure and obsess about their bigger more successful neighbours.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2016, 11:47:14 AM
I don't think he'll walk unless he is forced into it. He's clearly a very smart bloke and was sold a vision by Fox and Randy which I believe to be that they want to fix the club once and for all. It's the stuff that Fox and Hollis have been on alluding recently though the words sound really hollow given where we are. That we need to stop making all of the bad and impulsive decisions that have put us here and they will accept relegation as part of that long term fix. It's something that as a fan is very hard to stomach because our attention is usually on the now, and the now is really bleak.

What will terminate this relationship for Garde is if come the summer the promises bring made to him by the board are broken. So right now, I believe Garde is staying as an act of good faith. It's going to be a massively shit day when the seemingly inevitable takes place and relegation is confirmed but it will be even worse if the manager leaves. Because you know then that he'll have been deceived. So let's just hope the board come good on their word to Garde in the rebuild plans for the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on January 31, 2016, 11:49:31 AM
sadly, the phrase don't hold your breath springs too easily to mind.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2016, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2016, 11:38:18 AM
His comments yesterday suggest he will be gone in may.  If I were him I would walk tomorrow night.


What did he say?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TonyD on January 31, 2016, 11:52:45 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2016, 11:40:33 AM
Quote from: TonyD on January 31, 2016, 11:33:55 AM
If Villa was a country, we'd be Zimbabwe. 

Could be worse, sha would be Scotland, play in blue, are shit, are used to failure and obsess about their bigger more successful neighbours.
We used to be England,  great history but still well respected etc.  But down the shitter we have gone.  Randy Lerner meet Mr Robert Gabriel Mugabe.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 31, 2016, 12:06:44 PM
I've warmed to him in the last few weeks.

Yesterday just showed how far we're behind the top prem teams now and even their second string teams now are comfortably better. Our chance to win the FA cup was last year.

At least in the league we've got fighting spirit, defensive organization and a bit of composure.

That said for this board to not even back him in this window is a total disgrace. Yes I know we're nearly down but think about it all the managers we've got in have been backed to some degree, McLeish got about 20m his first summer, Sherwood got all we made from sales last summer, with Lambert it's a bit more debatable but he still spent 6m or so on Kozak when there was no need.

That's what you do when you appoint a new manager, you give him the opportunity to freshen things up and get in some of his players. To expect Remi to keep us up with this squad is quite frankly bonkers.

And even if they too think we're down surely you still allow him the chance to get in some players who he believes will be good enough for the championship.

After this window he gets a free pass from me until the summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on January 31, 2016, 12:26:37 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2016, 11:38:18 AM
His comments yesterday suggest he will be gone in may.  If I were him I would walk tomorrow night.



So would I
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2016, 12:28:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2016, 11:38:18 AM
His comments yesterday suggest he will be gone in may.

I have to say, going on the quotes I just read, you're absolutely right.

It's hard to imagine what else could create a bigger shambles than we already look if we go down, but losing the manager would be one thing.

I know exactly what'll happen then. We'll appoint some British relic into the job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on January 31, 2016, 12:34:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2016, 12:28:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2016, 11:38:18 AM
His comments yesterday suggest he will be gone in may.

I have to say, going on the quotes I just read, you're absolutely right.

It's hard to imagine what else could create a bigger shambles than we already look if we go down, but losing the manager would be one thing.

I know exactly what'll happen then. We'll appoint some British relic into the job.

What specifically? I saw this  'know it was not a comfortable position when I came in and I have no regrets.' Which is consistent with what he has been saying all along.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 31, 2016, 12:35:27 PM
Why give this manager the money now, come May we are down and the falsehoods sold to the manager have been found out, off he goes and no one will blame him and it is left to our panel of football masters on the board to appoint the next poor soul who buys their bull shit.
As stated earlier the cycle just keeps repeating itself.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2016, 12:37:14 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on January 31, 2016, 12:34:14 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2016, 12:28:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on January 31, 2016, 11:38:18 AM
His comments yesterday suggest he will be gone in may.

I have to say, going on the quotes I just read, you're absolutely right.

It's hard to imagine what else could create a bigger shambles than we already look if we go down, but losing the manager would be one thing.

I know exactly what'll happen then. We'll appoint some British relic into the job.

What specifically? I saw this  'know it was not a comfortable position when I came in and I have no regrets.' Which is consistent with what he has been saying all along.



Last paragraph.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaCQG6MWAAAGtYV.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 31, 2016, 12:38:20 PM
If remi walks now the abuse really would starting getting horrific at the home games imo. How can you appoint what looks a sensible, intelligent forward thinking manager and not give him a penny to spend in his first transfer window??! With arguably the worst squad we've had in 30 years.

That and the press really would go to town on how badly Lerner is running us now rather than the occasional article that appears here and there.

The pressure for him to sell us would be ramped up especially if Fox and Hollis have to start sitting through the increase in abuse that will start coming their way in the remaining 7 home games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
"I will stay till the end of the season"  God I hope that's some lost in translation pigeon English type quote and not meant literally.

If Garde walks we are screwed, totally screwed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2016, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
"I will stay till the end of the season"  God I hope that's some lost in translation pigeon English type quote and not meant literally.

If Garde walks we are screwed, totally screwed.

Even if he did walk could it possibly get any worse considering we're already bottom of the table?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2016, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
"I will stay till the end of the season"  God I hope that's some lost in translation pigeon English type quote and not meant literally.

If Garde walks we are screwed, totally screwed.

Even if he did walk could it possibly get any worse considering we're already bottom of the table?

Maybe not this season but certainly for next, yes.  It'd be a disaster. I actually think he's the man we've needed for a long time, we just handed him the keys after the car had gone over the cliff.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2016, 01:11:40 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2016, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
"I will stay till the end of the season"  God I hope that's some lost in translation pigeon English type quote and not meant literally.

If Garde walks we are screwed, totally screwed.

Even if he did walk could it possibly get any worse considering we're already bottom of the table?

Maybe not this season but certainly for next, yes.  It'd be a disaster. I actually think he's the man we've needed for a long time, we just handed him the keys after the car had gone over the cliff.

We're already in the midst of a disaster and I'm afraid nothing will change till Lerner sells up no matter who is the manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on January 31, 2016, 01:19:35 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2016, 01:11:40 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2016, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
"I will stay till the end of the season"  God I hope that's some lost in translation pigeon English type quote and not meant literally.

If Garde walks we are screwed, totally screwed.

Even if he did walk could it possibly get any worse considering we're already bottom of the table?

Maybe not this season but certainly for next, yes.  It'd be a disaster. I actually think he's the man we've needed for a long time, we just handed him the keys after the car had gone over the cliff.

We're already in the midst of a disaster and I'm afraid nothing will change till Lerner sells up no matter who is the manager.

But nobody wants to buy us or WBA or Birmingham or the Wolves I am afraid we are stuck with Randy and he is stuck with us trying to cost cut to the bone.

I think Remi will take a long look at himself and say "Do I really need this?"and the answer will be no.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 01:20:14 PM
I blame McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood just as much as Lerner and Fox for the shambles of this season. Throw a few experienced players in there too.

Better management and player purchases could easily have achieved mid table comfort without spending a penny more on transfers and wages. We've just assembled a shit squad and spent a decent amount doing it.

It really isn't all Lerners fault. There's plenty going around responsibe for this long in the making stuff up not just him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on January 31, 2016, 01:24:37 PM
I like Remi. I like the way he conducts himself, I like the way he speaks, and what he says.
But, although we a little more organised than under Sherwood, he really hasn't had a impact on the playing side.
Yes, we all know the team and squad are poor, but I really think he should have got more points than he has.

Especially when you factor in the opposition that we have played since he arrived.

Not having a decent striker a club is not his fault. But he Knows we haven't got one, he see's that, but he has done nothing to compensate for it.
Playing the game at walking pace, tippy tappy football the breaks down to nothing time and time and time again, 20 yards from goal, yet we persist with the same approach every single game.

Yes I like Remi. Yes, I feel sorry for him, he has been dealt a bum hand.
But, he hasn't done a fat lot to suggest he is the man to take us forward.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldtimernow on January 31, 2016, 01:28:49 PM
Pigs ears and silk purses come to mind
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 31, 2016, 01:36:49 PM
Quote from: andyh on January 31, 2016, 01:24:37 PM
Not having a decent striker a club is not his fault. But he Knows we haven't got one, he see's that, but he has done nothing to compensate for it.
Playing the game at walking pace, tippy tappy football the breaks down to nothing time and time and time again, 20 yards from goal, yet we persist with the same approach every single game.

It's not just not having a decent striker though, there are no goals in our team at all. No-one with a history of getting goals from midfield, no centre halves who reguarly score. How can you compensate for that?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2016, 02:30:29 PM
It would be civil war between fans and the powers that be, Remi is one of the only things to cling to right now that bridges the gap between both. Without a manager, a shower of players and clueless buffoons attempting to run the show but sinking it hard and fast the fans I expect will turn very aggressive.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on January 31, 2016, 02:37:49 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2016, 01:11:40 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 01:08:54 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2016, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
"I will stay till the end of the season"  God I hope that's some lost in translation pigeon English type quote and not meant literally.

If Garde walks we are screwed, totally screwed.

Even if he did walk could it possibly get any worse considering we're already bottom of the table?

Maybe not this season but certainly for next, yes.  It'd be a disaster. I actually think he's the man we've needed for a long time, we just handed him the keys after the car had gone over the cliff.

We're already in the midst of a disaster and I'm afraid nothing will change till Lerner sells up no matter who is the manager.
So managers don't make a difference? So how come that lot down the road, with pure chaos at management level, are currently in the play off position?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on January 31, 2016, 03:14:36 PM
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It's not just not having a decent striker though, there are no goals in our team at all. No-one with a history of getting goals from midfield, no centre halves who reguarly score. How can you compensate for that?

Absolutely. Add to that two fullbacks who never score too, and its no wonder we're rock bottom.

Gana and Veretout. We spent > 15M on two central midfielders who have scored, what, 1 goal in all competitions between them? Blame the transfer committee, blame the manager(s), blame the team mates around them, but that is suicidal levels of incompetence in terms of what you need your central midfield pairing to deliver.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2016, 03:39:34 PM
 In fairness I think those two are not the issue. The likes of Gil and Grealish were expected to contribute a lot more both creatively and with goals. Veretout has done OK with assists but there has been nothing from anyone else but Ayew.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on January 31, 2016, 03:59:00 PM
In an atmosphere of continual capitulation, it's no great surprise that none of the players are making material contributions. It is up to the manager and senior players to change the culture and it clearly ain't happening.
It may be slightly controversial to say but I don't believe we have particularly poor players - after all, the promoted clubs are not exactly stacked full of eye-catching star players. Our malaise is much deeper, around culture, discipline, personal accountability and self-belief.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2016, 04:01:49 PM
Saying that though Jack had never scored a goal and Carles was a 1 in 12 before he joined us, neither of them were going to be prolific. We went all in on this mid table championship striker idea.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on January 31, 2016, 05:34:23 PM
Remi is our manager, and as such I will support him, we need continuity and Remi seems the only person round VP with any credibility.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2016, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2016, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on January 31, 2016, 12:53:18 PM
"I will stay till the end of the season"  God I hope that's some lost in translation pigeon English type quote and not meant literally.

If Garde walks we are screwed, totally screwed.

Even if he did walk could it possibly get any worse considering we're already bottom of the table?

In absolute how low can we go, no. In every other way imaginable? Lots, and you shouldn't need too vibrant an imagination to see that.

You're right in that things won't get significantly better until there's some semblance of proper coherent management above the team manager, although allowing the manager the level of funding afforded to Lambert would probably help considerably.

The ramifications of Garde walking and by implication labelling the job impossible and toxic goods would do huge damage, potentially far more than that imposed by 9 years of incompetence.  Up until this year 18 months of sensible management, without needing to throw £100M at it would have stabilised the club in mid-table if it was utilised by a sensible manager.

Now, baring a change of ownership or Hollis proving he is capable of leading this organisation, it really is shit or bust. Making the painful assumption that we are down, there are 6 scenarios

1,2&3 - Garde stays and
1. we turn this around under Garde next season.
2. we sink like a stone.
3. We potter around in mid-table anonymity and Garde walks at the end of next season leading to the next scenarios 12 months later.

4,5&6 - Garde walks
4. We end up looking at the Steve Bruce's of this world and tread water for eternity, occasionally fluttering with promotion
5. Even the likes of Steve Bruce turn their noses up and we end up with a Bill Davies type condemned to lower mid table.
6. We luck out and find the next Brendan Rogers / Eddie Howe type.

Personally in order of probability I'd go

1, 3, 4 - rest don't bare thinking about.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2016, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2016, 04:01:49 PM
Saying that though Jack had never scored a goal and Carles was a 1 in 12 before he joined us, neither of them were going to be prolific. We went all in on this mid table championship striker idea.

That's what's so frustrating.  A half decent centre forward alongside Ayew and I reckon we'd have converted at least a third of a draws into wins and a couple of defeats (Watford for one) into draws, leaving us bang in the fight.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2016, 09:12:49 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2016, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2016, 04:01:49 PM
Saying that though Jack had never scored a goal and Carles was a 1 in 12 before he joined us, neither of them were going to be prolific. We went all in on this mid table championship striker idea.

That's what's so frustrating.  A half decent centre forward alongside Ayew and I reckon we'd have converted at least a third of a draws into wins and a couple of defeats (Watford for one) into draws, leaving us bang in the fight.

I just don't understand the summer thinking. First we tried Begovic because we know we had a bad un between the posts, couldn't get him, lined no one up instead. Second we tried Adebayor, bonkers idea anyway but we couldn't get him and instead drop a division and pay relative peanuts for a gamble.

It almost felt like we were losing Benteke and the club have gone ''right, who's good in the air?'' Paddy Reilly looks up the headed goals stats and see Gestede top of the list and then we buy him thinking it's a great idea. I can't believe anyone has watched Gestede for any length of time and thought he could fit in to this team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on January 31, 2016, 09:18:05 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2016, 09:12:49 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2016, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2016, 04:01:49 PM
Saying that though Jack had never scored a goal and Carles was a 1 in 12 before he joined us, neither of them were going to be prolific. We went all in on this mid table championship striker idea.

That's what's so frustrating.  A half decent centre forward alongside Ayew and I reckon we'd have converted at least a third of a draws into wins and a couple of defeats (Watford for one) into draws, leaving us bang in the fight.

I just don't understand the summer thinking. First we tried Begovic because we know we had a bad un between the posts, couldn't get him, lined no one up instead. Second we tried Adebayor, bonkers idea anyway but we couldn't get him and instead drop a division and pay relative peanuts for a gamble.

It almost felt like we were losing Benteke and the club have gone ''right, who's good in the air?'' Paddy Reilly looks up the headed goals stats and see Gestede top of the list and then we buy him thinking it's a great idea. I can't believe anyone has watched Gestede for any length of time and thought he could fit in to this team.

I do remember comments on here when we knew Gestede was going about signing him, way before we did.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2016, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2016, 09:12:49 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2016, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2016, 04:01:49 PM
Saying that though Jack had never scored a goal and Carles was a 1 in 12 before he joined us, neither of them were going to be prolific. We went all in on this mid table championship striker idea.

That's what's so frustrating.  A half decent centre forward alongside Ayew and I reckon we'd have converted at least a third of a draws into wins and a couple of defeats (Watford for one) into draws, leaving us bang in the fight.

I just don't understand the summer thinking. First we tried Begovic because we know we had a bad un between the posts, couldn't get him, lined no one up instead. Second we tried Adebayor, bonkers idea anyway but we couldn't get him and instead drop a division and pay relative peanuts for a gamble.

It almost felt like we were losing Benteke and the club have gone ''right, who's good in the air?'' Paddy Reilly looks up the headed goals stats and see Gestede top of the list and then we buy him thinking it's a great idea. I can't believe anyone has watched Gestede for any length of time and thought he could fit in to this team.

I've heard it said that that's pretty much what happened except that when it became apparent that the Adebeyor deal was dead Sherwood was presented with a list of possible alternatives and pointed to Gestede.

It's also noticeable that the signings that are obvious Sherwood signings all come from the MON school of transfers.  Minimum 5 years experience in PL/Championship or SPL required.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curlytailavfc on January 31, 2016, 09:30:19 PM
I would just hand me notice in as this wont get any better and when we drop then the pressure will be so tense
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2016, 09:39:10 PM
This is.professional sport. If you don't like or want pressure, then McDonalds are hiring.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on January 31, 2016, 10:43:20 PM
Quote from: Ads on January 31, 2016, 09:39:10 PM
This is.professional sport. If you don't like or want pressure, then McDonalds are hiring.

Garde won't get a job there. It took him 6 weeks to realise we needed a Bunn.


Sorry, I'll let myself out.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 01, 2016, 04:57:06 AM
Garde is well aware without proper financial support, not now but in the summer, the squad he will be left with, will not get out of that division and indeed will struggle to survive.
One thing I never ever felt Villa fans were, was arrogant, but to listen to some on here, we drop down to the Championship, because who we are all the other teams roll over and up we come again and can't we have some lovely days out whilst this is happening.
We have a team representing Aston Villa that has won, yes won two league games on the 1st Feb from a season that started first week of August, in what I would describe as the most average Premier league for some very long time, in fact probably ever.
Garde has seen through the bull and as stated as decent as a man he appears to be, come May its bye bye Reg and Basil.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 01, 2016, 09:43:18 AM
If this squad we have now was in the Championship, we'd be in the play offs.

It needs strengthening and improving, even if we go down as looks highly likely, but that would be to ensure we brass the division up. I cannot get away from the fact that somebody as poor as Gestede destroyed Championship defences. He'd be on the bench for us [fingers crossed]. There won't be too many 2nd Division outfits with a striker capable of scoring 20 goals sat on the subs bench.

I've taken an interest in the Championship sky offerings since it looked likely we'd be joining the dead men down there and I am actually quite shocked at how rank the quality is. Even the better sides look mince.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 01, 2016, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on January 31, 2016, 09:18:05 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2016, 09:12:49 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2016, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2016, 04:01:49 PM
Saying that though Jack had never scored a goal and Carles was a 1 in 12 before he joined us, neither of them were going to be prolific. We went all in on this mid table championship striker idea.

That's what's so frustrating.  A half decent centre forward alongside Ayew and I reckon we'd have converted at least a third of a draws into wins and a couple of defeats (Watford for one) into draws, leaving us bang in the fight.

I just don't understand the summer thinking. First we tried Begovic because we know we had a bad un between the posts, couldn't get him, lined no one up instead. Second we tried Adebayor, bonkers idea anyway but we couldn't get him and instead drop a division and pay relative peanuts for a gamble.

It almost felt like we were losing Benteke and the club have gone ''right, who's good in the air?'' Paddy Reilly looks up the headed goals stats and see Gestede top of the list and then we buy him thinking it's a great idea. I can't believe anyone has watched Gestede for any length of time and thought he could fit in to this team.

I do remember comments on here when we knew Benteke was going about signing him, way before we did.
Yes from me I'm afraid.I thought he would be really good. Well time has proved me wrong.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 01, 2016, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2016, 09:19:56 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2016, 09:12:49 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on January 31, 2016, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on January 31, 2016, 04:01:49 PM
Saying that though Jack had never scored a goal and Carles was a 1 in 12 before he joined us, neither of them were going to be prolific. We went all in on this mid table championship striker idea.

That's what's so frustrating.  A half decent centre forward alongside Ayew and I reckon we'd have converted at least a third of a draws into wins and a couple of defeats (Watford for one) into draws, leaving us bang in the fight.

I just don't understand the summer thinking. First we tried Begovic because we know we had a bad un between the posts, couldn't get him, lined no one up instead. Second we tried Adebayor, bonkers idea anyway but we couldn't get him and instead drop a division and pay relative peanuts for a gamble.

It almost felt like we were losing Benteke and the club have gone ''right, who's good in the air?'' Paddy Reilly looks up the headed goals stats and see Gestede top of the list and then we buy him thinking it's a great idea. I can't believe anyone has watched Gestede for any length of time and thought he could fit in to this team.

I've heard it said that that's pretty much what happened except that when it became apparent that the Adebeyor deal was dead Sherwood was presented with a list of possible alternatives and pointed to Gestede.

It's also noticeable that the signings that are obvious Sherwood signings all come from the MON school of transfers.  Minimum 5 years experience in PL/Championship or SPL required.

I don't see there's that much difference between 'Sherwood's signings' vs. 'committe signings'.

Take Gestede vs. Ayew.  Gestede has got 4 in 22 (according to Wiki) and might have done more with better crosses to feed off.  Ayew has got 5 in 18 and might have done more with a better partner up front.  Hardly inspiring is it?

Let's face it, none of the midfield or forwards look like being good enough for the premiership should we ever get promoted again. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frank on February 01, 2016, 10:36:59 AM
Quote from: andyh on January 31, 2016, 01:24:37 PM
Not having a decent striker a club is not his fault. But he Knows we haven't got one, he see's that, but he has done nothing to compensate for it.
Playing the game at walking pace, tippy tappy football the breaks down to nothing time and time and time again, 20 yards from goal, yet we persist with the same approach every single game.
At 2-0 up Man City defended deep and were happy to give us lots of possession, knowing that after 20 passes we'd either pass the ball to the edge of the box and lose it or get into a tangle and pass back to Clark or Richards. No urgency, no penetration.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on February 01, 2016, 10:48:35 AM
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Let's face it, none of the midfield or forwards look like being good enough for the premiership should we ever get promoted again.

I go along with that. To me, Ayew and Veretout might be ok if they had a top notch partner alongside them. Arguably Gil, Grealish and Gana fall in that category too. But you could probably say that for 90% of the forwards / midfielders in the league too.

At best, they're average to bottom half of PL players those lot. Certainly not good enough to hide the shortcomings of the rest of the squad (like Delph and Benteke arguably did over the last 2 years).

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 01, 2016, 10:54:16 AM
Not down to Garde, but when was the last time we had a midfield player that actually chipped in with double figures for a season, central defenders and the full backs chipping in with 10 between them. For the last 3 years we relied on Benteke pure and simple, we have not gone from being a free scoring team to drought conditions on the goal scoring front, this problem has not been addressed for years, we have had the fall back card that Gabby would come in and score a few important ones, but again what is his record over the last 4 seasons, I am sure it makes dreadful reading.
Plenty of signs there, but they needed to be in brail for anyone at Villa to read them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 01, 2016, 12:09:06 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on February 01, 2016, 10:54:16 AM
Not down to Garde, but when was the last time we had a midfield player that actually chipped in with double figures for a season, central defenders and the full backs chipping in with 10 between them. For the last 3 years we relied on Benteke pure and simple, we have not gone from being a free scoring team to drought conditions on the goal scoring front, this problem has not been addressed for years, we have had the fall back card that Gabby would come in and score a few important ones, but again what is his record over the last 4 seasons, I am sure it makes dreadful reading.
Plenty of signs there, but they needed to be in brail for anyone at Villa to read them.

Milner, Young, Downing - might have got into double figures.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2016, 12:41:51 PM
‘It was also a financial problem, yes. But it is not my job to explain that to you again. Probably the club realised mistakes has been made in the past, probably they didn’t want to do it again.
‘As a new manager I would have expected new faces to support my change. Not only for me but the club, team, squad to be strengthen very good decision. We missed these two targets. It’s unfortunate.’
Garde added: ‘It took me a few weeks to have an assessment and I made a recommendation to the board to try to sign players to the team, we need that. ‘Some games we are close to compete, then we need a little bit of quality. I cannot do more. I tried to sign them, I worked on very hard, but for different reasons we couldn’t.’


That'll be Garde out of the door soon then. Our board are absolutely fucking hopeless.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 01, 2016, 12:47:51 PM
He's said he'll stay until the end of the season, then I think he could well walk...and I don't think anyone would blame him.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on February 01, 2016, 12:51:15 PM
He looked thoroughly hacked off in the press conference.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BC Villain on February 01, 2016, 12:53:27 PM
Seems like a man whose at the end of tether.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2016, 01:00:22 PM
It is genuinely staggering that Lerner and the people he appointed seem hell bent of devaluing the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 01:12:36 PM
He probably feels there's no point in him being here. He's answering for other peoples mistakes and questions on things he has no control over. He's got to get us scoring with the carthorse brothers up front and a midfield that creates more goals for the opposition than they do for us. He's seen the squad now, knows it's mostly guff from top to bottom and he's on a hiding to nothing. He'll walk in June and we will appoint some twat head hunted by Fuck face Fox to perform a miracle on pennies and face the flak those ****** should be facing every day.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 01, 2016, 01:16:13 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 01:12:36 PM
He probably feels there's no point in him being here. He's answering for other peoples mistakes and questions on things he has no control over. He's got to get us scoring with the carthorse brothers up front and a midfield that creates more goals for the opposition than they do for us. He's seen the squad now, knows it's mostly guff from top to bottom and he's on a hiding to nothing. He'll walk in June and we will appoint some twat head hunted by Fuck face Fox to perform a miracle on pennies and face the flak those c***s should be facing every day.

I have this recurring nightmare where we get relegated and end up with that fat loud-mouth who manages Leeds as our new manager. What's his name?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 01:22:11 PM
Might as well be Dave Bassett. You're right, when a club starts losing credibility then next step is appointing journey man managers who will take any old shit just for a gig.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 01:12:36 PM
He probably feels there's no point in him being here. He's answering for other peoples mistakes and questions on things he has no control over. He's got to get us scoring with the carthorse brothers up front and a midfield that creates more goals for the opposition than they do for us. He's seen the squad now, knows it's mostly guff from top to bottom and he's on a hiding to nothing. He'll walk in June and we will appoint some twat head hunted by Fuck face Fox to perform a miracle on pennies and face the flak those c***s should be facing every day.

The only way was to have a strong manager who'd make the 'management team' see sense.   No wonder Moyes wouldn't touch us with a barge pole.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on February 01, 2016, 01:25:56 PM
What a fucking shambles.  I'm not convinced by him yet, but the board have fucking shafted him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on February 01, 2016, 01:28:06 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on February 01, 2016, 01:25:56 PM
What a fucking shambles.  I'm not convinced by him yet, but the board have fucking shafted him.
There's another nine-and-a-half hours to go yet. We might get three top class strikers in yet. Ooh, where are my meds....?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 01:29:22 PM
We could pull of a Simon Dawkins type, no one's ever heard of him quick check Wiki to see if he is a joke or really exists, type of loan.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 01, 2016, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on February 01, 2016, 01:25:56 PM
What a fucking shambles.  I'm not convinced by him yet, but the board have fucking shafted him.

That's exactly my take on things. He doesn't deserve to have to sit in front of the media every week and explain why the board are so totally, absolutely fucking clueless. In fact, I'd love it (I'd love it, right) if he resigned, live in a press conference and signed off with a tirade against our bed wetter of an owner. What a way to go
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on February 01, 2016, 01:30:33 PM
Another manager - and thoroughly decent guy - left hanging out to dry by Lerner and Co.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on February 01, 2016, 01:33:05 PM
Garde is basically saying, i came here and within a couple of weeks i told the board what i needed. I left it up to them, and now here we are, and they haven't got me anybody. There's nothing more i can do.
I wouldn't be surprised if he walks either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 01:36:23 PM
Yep it's bullshit. In the entire world, we have been unable to locate a midfielder better than the sign post that is Westwood, who doesn't want 60k a week and thinks a Premier League club is beneath him. It's pap.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 01:40:36 PM
We are such a state even Newcastle fans are laughing at us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 01:41:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 01:40:36 PM
We are such a state even Newcastle fans are laughing at us.

Does that mean they've stopped crying over us now?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete on February 01, 2016, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 01, 2016, 12:09:06 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on February 01, 2016, 10:54:16 AM
Not down to Garde, but when was the last time we had a midfield player that actually chipped in with double figures for a season, central defenders and the full backs chipping in with 10 between them. For the last 3 years we relied on Benteke pure and simple, we have not gone from being a free scoring team to drought conditions on the goal scoring front, this problem has not been addressed for years, we have had the fall back card that Gabby would come in and score a few important ones, but again what is his record over the last 4 seasons, I am sure it makes dreadful reading.
Plenty of signs there, but they needed to be in brail for anyone at Villa to read them.

Milner, Young, Downing - might have got into double figures.


If we're talking league goals, it's Platt, 25 years ago.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 01, 2016, 01:55:07 PM
Quote from: Pete on February 01, 2016, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 01, 2016, 12:09:06 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on February 01, 2016, 10:54:16 AM
Not down to Garde, but when was the last time we had a midfield player that actually chipped in with double figures for a season, central defenders and the full backs chipping in with 10 between them. For the last 3 years we relied on Benteke pure and simple, we have not gone from being a free scoring team to drought conditions on the goal scoring front, this problem has not been addressed for years, we have had the fall back card that Gabby would come in and score a few important ones, but again what is his record over the last 4 seasons, I am sure it makes dreadful reading.
Plenty of signs there, but they needed to be in brail for anyone at Villa to read them.

Milner, Young, Downing - might have got into double figures.


If we're talking league goals, it's Platt, 25 years ago.

Which just goes to show that to have a decent team you need goals from all over the pitch - not rely on one or two as we have doen for the past 5 years.

I'm still convinced the midfield is the major weakness in the current team.  As a group they neither defend or create effectively.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DB on February 01, 2016, 02:01:04 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 01:12:36 PM
He probably feels there's no point in him being here. He's answering for other peoples mistakes and questions on things he has no control over. He's got to get us scoring with the carthorse brothers up front and a midfield that creates more goals for the opposition than they do for us. He's seen the squad now, knows it's mostly guff from top to bottom and he's on a hiding to nothing. He'll walk in June and we will appoint some twat head hunted by Fuck face Fox to perform a miracle on pennies and face the flak those c***s should be facing every day.

The only way was to have a strong manager who'd make the 'management team' see sense.   No wonder Moyes wouldn't touch us with a barge pole.

Or he could have had funds if our position improved from when he took over...it hasn't so maybe they are just resinged to going down.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 01, 2016, 02:09:39 PM
Quote from: DB on February 01, 2016, 02:01:04 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 01:12:36 PM
He probably feels there's no point in him being here. He's answering for other peoples mistakes and questions on things he has no control over. He's got to get us scoring with the carthorse brothers up front and a midfield that creates more goals for the opposition than they do for us. He's seen the squad now, knows it's mostly guff from top to bottom and he's on a hiding to nothing. He'll walk in June and we will appoint some twat head hunted by Fuck face Fox to perform a miracle on pennies and face the flak those c***s should be facing every day.

The only way was to have a strong manager who'd make the 'management team' see sense.   No wonder Moyes wouldn't touch us with a barge pole.

Or he could have had funds if our position improved from when he took over...it hasn't so maybe they are just resinged to going down.

You could well be right - and that's what I meant by a stronger personality.  To stay up this season it needed someone who was prepared to demand funds or walk - and also be able to choose their own players rather than have options filtered.

Whether that would have been the right thing in the long term, who knows.

As you suggest, they are resigned to going down and gambling in this window was deemed too risky/too low chance of working.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 01, 2016, 02:11:21 PM
From the Torygraph's Transfer Deadline Day News:

Quote
Remi Garde not happy with life

John Percy has the latest on Aston Villa's transfer situation and how happy Remi Garde is that Newcastle stepped in and stole the apple of his eye:

It's looking even bleaker for Aston Villa, with Remi Garde cutting a frustrated figure at their Bodymoor Heath training ground this morning.

Garde has confirmed he was in talks with Roma striker Seydou Doumbia, who has agreed to join Newcastle, and is running out of time to make a signing.

Villa are the only club in the bottom ten not to bring a player in and Garde admits their abysmal position and finance could be factors.

He said: "I am disappointed as well. I'm not happy about this. I'm not stupid by saying we need nobody.

"I spoke at length with Doumbia but that's life. It's difficult to attract players in our situation. This is probably the main one. Maybe it's time to spend differently compared to other years."

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on February 01, 2016, 02:13:20 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on February 01, 2016, 02:11:21 PM
From the Torygraph's Transfer Deadline Day News:

Quote
Remi Garde not happy with life

John Percy has the latest on Aston Villa's transfer situation and how happy Remi Garde is that Newcastle stepped in and stole the apple of his eye:

It's looking even bleaker for Aston Villa, with Remi Garde cutting a frustrated figure at their Bodymoor Heath training ground this morning.

Garde has confirmed he was in talks with Roma striker Seydou Doumbia, who has agreed to join Newcastle, and is running out of time to make a signing.

Villa are the only club in the bottom ten not to bring a player in and Garde admits their abysmal position and finance could be factors.

He said: "I am disappointed as well. I'm not happy about this. I'm not stupid by saying we need nobody.

"I spoke at length with Doumbia but that's life. It's difficult to attract players in our situation. This is probably the main one. Maybe it's time to spend differently compared to other years."

He'll walk.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2016, 02:15:04 PM
He sounds very angry and frankly I don't blame him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on February 01, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
From the Express:

Garde admitted he was “disappointed” after the club missed out on all of the players he asked for.

Villa were still attempting to pull off last-minute deals today but any new arrivals will not now be players requested by manager Garde.

And the Frenchman admitted the club’s decision to limit spending in case they are relegated has played a part in their failure so far to land any new faces.

He wanted strikers Seydou Doumbia and Wahbi Khazri but lost out to relegation rivals Newcastle and Sunderland respectively.

And Villa had a work permit application for goalkeeper Lovre Kalinic rejected.

“The situation of a team at the bottom of the table was not easy for players but it was not the only reason,” said Garde.

“It was also a financial problem, yes. But it is not my job to explain that to you again.

“Probably the club realised mistakes has been made in the past, probably they didn’t want to do it again.

“As a new manager I would have expected new faces to support my changes.

“Not only for me but the club, and the team, for the squad to be strengthened would have been very good decision.

“It took me a few weeks to have an assessment and I made a recommendation to the board to try to sign players to the team because we need that.

“In some games we are close to competing, then we need a little bit of quality.

“I cannot do more. I tried to sign them, I worked on very hard, but for different reasons we couldn’t.”

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/639996/Aston-Villa-boss-Remi-Garde-reveals-his-January-transfer-deadline-day-plans-News-Gossip
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT Villan on February 01, 2016, 02:29:19 PM
Quote
From TeamTalk...http://www.teamtalk.com/news/garde-discusses-doumbia-richards-and-new-signings
 (http://www.teamtalk.com/news/garde-discusses-doumbia-richards-and-new-signings)
But despite their pre-season deals the side have struggled and Garde conceded he was unhappy with the lack of movement.

“I am disappointed because I know I represent this big club. I am not coming in front of the fans with good news. I always said I will not run away,” he said.

“I feel the way I am working, and the way I see the club, I feel the support.”


Yet he appears to say here that he will not leave...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bertlambshank on February 01, 2016, 02:29:20 PM
For all the talk of Randy being honorable/nice he don't half shit on the managers he gets in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on February 01, 2016, 02:30:54 PM
From the first second he came in Lerner always said "focus on the manager".  Now we know why!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on February 01, 2016, 02:33:49 PM
The press conference is now on AVTV

Who is that "journalist" that mostly ask questions at the press conferences?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 01, 2016, 02:33:53 PM
Torygraph:

Remi Garde is sad

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03557/Remi_Garde_3557741b.jpg)

 Remi Garde doesn't think Aston Villa are going to sign anyone today and seems to be very aware that his team are completely goosed:

"The situation of the team at the bottom of the table was not something easy to deal with for new players but it's not the only reason.

"It was also a financial problem but it's not my job to explain that again. Probably the club realise mistakes have been made in the past and they didn't want to do it again."

"I am disappointed because I know I represent this big club. I am not coming in front of the fans with good news. I always said I will not run away."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 01, 2016, 02:36:12 PM
Just walk away, Remi. You're not to blame.

Sing it, Levi.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on February 01, 2016, 02:37:43 PM
Sounds like Remi Garde's been hung out to dry by our disgraceful owner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on February 01, 2016, 02:38:11 PM
I hope he doesn't leave. If he can stick it out he might be lucky enough to be the manager of a club under new, better ownership.

Over the past few years, we've been hopelessly run from boardroom to boot room - indeed, one of the strongest items on the charge sheet against the board is the shiteness  of the managers they've hired. Now, I think, we finally have an actual manager, and the board might be driving him out. Well fuck that Remi - we're behind you, and if we're patient we might outlast the fools together.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on February 01, 2016, 02:38:58 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on February 01, 2016, 02:33:49 PM
The press conference is now on AVTV

Who is that "journalist" that mostly ask questions at the press conferences?
Pete Colley ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2016, 02:44:44 PM
Quote from: Monty on February 01, 2016, 02:38:11 PM
I hope he doesn't leave. If he can stick it out he might be lucky enough to be the manager of a club under new, better ownership.

Over the past few years, we've been hopelessly run from boardroom to boot room - indeed, one of the strongest items on the charge sheet against the board is the shiteness  of the managers they've hired. Now, I think, we finally have an actual manager, and the board might be driving him out. Well fuck that Remi - we're behind you, and if we're patient we might outlast the fools together.

I agree I really hope he stays, but I can understand him walking.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 01, 2016, 03:07:50 PM
Not good is it, not good at all.  I think he'll walk too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DeKuip on February 01, 2016, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on February 01, 2016, 02:36:12 PM
Just walk away, Remi. You're not to blame.

Sing it, Levi.



And when we see the sign that points one way
The Football League gets nearer every day
DON'T WALK AWAY, REMI
You're all we've got to give us hope
We know the squad is shit and can't win a game
You're not to blame
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on February 01, 2016, 03:10:14 PM
I don't think he will walk now - he's got too much about him.

End of the season? Probably.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 04:26:47 PM
Spend differently? As in less money? As in scouting better? As in what?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 01, 2016, 04:31:33 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on February 01, 2016, 03:10:14 PM
I don't think he will walk now - he's got too much about him.

End of the season? Probably.

I wonder what they told him when he took us on. He is a very straight speaker and if Lerner/Fox/Hollis are not prepared to back him even for one signing I believe he will call it a day and very soon too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on February 01, 2016, 04:31:33 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on February 01, 2016, 03:10:14 PM
I don't think he will walk now - he's got too much about him.

End of the season? Probably.

I wonder what they told him when he took us on. He is a very straight speaker and if Lerner/Fox/Hollis are not prepared to back him even for one signing I believe he will call it a day and very soon too.

They've bullshitted him. You can see it in his body language and face that he's not happy. Would you be happy getting pelters in your job, trying to work with a lollipop as a hammer after being told they'd let you get a new hammer?

We've all heard Fox speak enough by now. The bloke talks out of his arsehole. Football is not his game and he's been a complete failure in his role at this club. We've heard Hollis come in, and to be honest, he doesn't fill me with any confidence either. He's another bean counter who will be doing everything on the cheap as much as possible.

They talk of spending differently? What does that mean? We can't spend less money really. We've spent very little net over the past 3 seasons and the results have got even worse. We've lowered the wage bill significantly and the results have got even worse. I don't know where they are wanting to take this, how much meat can you trim of the bones?

We've approached a goal keeper who can't get a permit, approached Michu who has been out of the game and is in bits and pieces. Does anyone think this sounds like a plan or people who know what they are doing? We don't. We are lurching around aimlessly because they don't have a fucking clue between the lot of them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: clash city rocker on February 01, 2016, 04:39:40 PM
If he does walk then we descend into even more chaos. Trouble is do then ones in charge actually realise that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villabear on February 01, 2016, 04:43:42 PM
Just watched the press conference clip on the website. Garde looks well cheesed off. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2016, 04:51:35 PM
Quote from: DeKuip on February 01, 2016, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on February 01, 2016, 02:36:12 PM
Just walk away, Remi. You're not to blame.

Sing it, Levi.



And when we see the sign that points one way
The Football League gets nearer every day
DON'T WALK AWAY, REMI
You're all we've got to give us hope
We know the squad is shit and can't win a game
You're not to blame



So move away, Remi blue, before this shit, shit club turns around and swallows you.

A crap owner, was the cue, for the legendary things that you do,
Behind the Trinity stand, with egg on your face, behind the old sadness factory too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on February 01, 2016, 04:55:38 PM
He's obviously incredibly frustrated at the lack of incomings, but doesn't sound like someone about to throw in the towel. Let's hope we can all find some 'inner strength' to help us get through the next four months of watching Kozak and Gestede playing up front.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 04:57:18 PM
Might as well forget all this tippy tappy midfield nonsense that goes back and forth at a snails pace and creates nothing and just full on long ball lob the ball in towards the area and see what happens.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 01, 2016, 04:58:02 PM
I bet another cosy ring side seat for Canal of a Saturday afternoon looks a lot more tempting at the moment
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BC Villain on February 01, 2016, 05:31:20 PM
Even by their standards, it's astonishing that the board have not backed Garde at all.

It's like calling the fire brigade out to your home to put a fire out, only to slash all their hosepipes when they arrive.

I honestly would not blame him if he walked at the end of the season.  Why should he have their cock up as a stain on his career?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frank black on February 01, 2016, 06:09:21 PM
I suspect he will not be in charge after this season. If he is then brilliant it will be because we have restored some pride by winning games, but my gut feeling isn't good.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2016, 07:19:49 PM
Encouraging words from Garde:

"I am disappointed because I know I represent this big club. I am not coming in front of the fans with good news. I always said I will not run away. I feel the way I am working, and the way I see the club, I feel the support.”
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 01, 2016, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2016, 07:19:49 PM
Encouraging words from Garde:

"I am disappointed because I know I represent this big club. I am not coming in front of the fans with good news. I always said I will not run away. I feel the way I am working, and the way I see the club, I feel the support.”

Please Stay Remi. Seems like he is the last professional at the club.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2016, 07:33:11 PM
Garde is the only person we any sort of brain in the 'management structure'. What I still can never get my head around is how we seem to be financially so much worse off than any of the clubs. It doesn't matter whether they've just been promoted, been in the league as long as us, been in the league half the time we have. Every single other club seems to have enough money to give it at least a go this month. Not us though, nope we haven't got a pot to piss in. Absolute shambles. I pray Remi stays he's the only one that offers even a semblance of hope.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 07:34:12 PM
If we've accepted we're going down, fair enough, but at least try and get a head start on everyone else for next season by signing decent players for the Championship. The lack of action is just staggering and embarrasing. I think I actually want Remi to walk, just to show these idiots up for what they are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on February 01, 2016, 07:45:04 PM
I hope he stays but I also really hope he starts speaking out publicly about the board and the shit hand he's been dealt.

They daren't sack him so he shouldn't have much to lose. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: exigo on February 01, 2016, 07:48:08 PM
As fans, we really need to vocally back Remi as much as possible. He needs to hear that we are behind him, even if he's not getting much support in the boardroom.
Because if we don't, and he does walk away, I'd say we're royally f*cked. And that this season's debacle will suddenly look like a highpoint.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2016, 07:49:23 PM
Quote from: exigo on February 01, 2016, 07:48:08 PM
As fans, we really need to vocally back Remi as much as possible. He needs to hear that we are behind him, even if he's not getting much support in the boardroom.
Because if we don't, and he does walk away, I'd say we're royally f*cked. And that this season's debacle will suddenly look like a highpoint.

This.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2016, 07:49:26 PM
I do believe the only hope is for him to remain in charge. I just hope he doesn't leave, but I wouldn't blame him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on February 01, 2016, 07:52:38 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on February 01, 2016, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2016, 07:19:49 PM
Encouraging words from Garde:

"I am disappointed because I know I represent this big club. I am not coming in front of the fans with good news. I always said I will not run away. I feel the way I am working, and the way I see the club, I feel the support.”

Please Stay Remi. Seems like he is the last professional at the club.


Yes, quite right. He is our only hope it seems. If we lose him I just dread to think how low we'll go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2016, 07:55:34 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2016, 07:49:23 PM
Quote from: exigo on February 01, 2016, 07:48:08 PM
As fans, we really need to vocally back Remi as much as possible. He needs to hear that we are behind him, even if he's not getting much support in the boardroom.
Because if we don't, and he does walk away, I'd say we're royally f*cked. And that this season's debacle will suddenly look like a highpoint.

This.

I concur the fans should vocal in their support of Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on February 01, 2016, 08:00:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2016, 07:55:34 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2016, 07:49:23 PM
Quote from: exigo on February 01, 2016, 07:48:08 PM
As fans, we really need to vocally back Remi as much as possible. He needs to hear that we are behind him, even if he's not getting much support in the boardroom.
Because if we don't, and he does walk away, I'd say we're royally f*cked. And that this season's debacle will suddenly look like a highpoint.

This.

I concur the fans should vocal in their support of Garde.

Well said. Definitely this Saturday. Someone needs to organise something, please.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on February 01, 2016, 08:01:47 PM
Suggestions?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: exigo on February 01, 2016, 08:03:35 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 01, 2016, 08:01:47 PM
Suggestions?

Above and beyond the obvious 'Remi Garde's claret and blue army', I'll be in the away end tomorrow night trying to get 'Remi Garde my lord' off the ground.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2016, 08:05:20 PM
Anything that makes clear he has the full support of the fans.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 01, 2016, 08:06:56 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 01, 2016, 08:01:47 PM
Suggestions?
ooh aah remi garde , les marseillaise  as long and loud as possible
naff I know but easy
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on February 01, 2016, 08:07:07 PM
Quote from: exigo on February 01, 2016, 08:03:35 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 01, 2016, 08:01:47 PM
Suggestions?

Above and beyond the obvious 'Remi Garde's claret and blue army', I'll be in the away end tomorrow night trying to get 'Remi Garde my lord' off the ground.

Nice one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 01, 2016, 08:07:41 PM
This arsehole board seem to be happy to hide behind the manager, so we need to be reminding him of our support as well as our clear distain of messers Fox, Lerner et al.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 01, 2016, 08:40:21 PM
Do you think the mistakes he refers to could be signing 'Plan B' players rather than the Plan A, hence why this window we've decided against buying a Gestede?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 08:42:51 PM
I hope.... really really hope, that the support get right behind Remi, he's been hung out to dry by the failures running the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DeKuip on February 01, 2016, 08:46:09 PM
Quote from: exigo on February 01, 2016, 08:03:35 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 01, 2016, 08:01:47 PM
Suggestions?

Above and beyond the obvious 'Remi Garde's claret and blue army', I'll be in the away end tomorrow night trying to get 'Remi Garde my lord' off the ground.
The best support ever given to any individual associated with our club was 90 minutes non-stop "Graham Taylor's Claret & Blue Army" at Goodison Park, last match of 1989/90. More than that as it also went right through half-time and long after the game as well, incredible. I can't remember now whether we already knew it would be his last game before taking the England job or the constant noise and being unable to sleep for days with that still pounding in his head drove him away.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 08:50:11 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 01, 2016, 08:40:21 PM
Do you think the mistakes he refers to could be signing 'Plan B' players rather than the Plan A, hence why this window we've decided against buying a Gestede?

Fairs fair, Gestede is a true one of a kind, you'll never pick up another like him.

Pele, Cruyff, Maradonna, Zidane, Messi, Gestede.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Yossarian on February 01, 2016, 08:50:58 PM
To rub salt into the wound when he walks away he won't be replaced by Pep. Oh well, looks like we will have to make do with Jose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 01, 2016, 09:01:30 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 08:42:51 PM
I hope.... really really hope, that the support get right behind Remi, he's been hung out to dry by the failures running the club.

I think that this could be a great opportunity for Garde. You're right. He has been seriously hung out by the club. He's taking all this mess and could like certain players desert his duty.

But I just don't think he will. I think he'll stay and try and bring back some pride and passion.

Its an opportunity to turn this mess around. Albeit in the Championship but fans can see whats happening and in the main I hope will be behind him. Who knows almost 20 years on this could be his Graham Taylor era.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 01, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on February 01, 2016, 08:50:58 PM
To rub salt into the wound when he walks away he won't be replaced by Pep. Oh well, looks like we will have to make do with Jose.

We'd end up with someone like Steve Cotterill.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 01, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on February 01, 2016, 08:50:58 PM
To rub salt into the wound when he walks away he won't be replaced by Pep. Oh well, looks like we will have to make do with Jose.

We'd end up with someone like Steve Cotterill.

Yes, that's another thing that concerns me.

If Garde walks out, what kind of chumps are we going to be looking at as our new manager?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 01, 2016, 09:11:45 PM
Quote from: Nunkin1965 on February 01, 2016, 09:01:30 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 08:42:51 PM
I hope.... really really hope, that the support get right behind Remi, he's been hung out to dry by the failures running the club.

I think that this could be a great opportunity for Garde. You're right. He has been seriously hung out by the club. He's taking all this mess and could like certain players desert his duty.

But I just don't think he will. I think he'll stay and try and bring back some pride and passion.

Its an opportunity to turn this mess around. Albeit in the Championship but fans can see whats happening and in the main I hope will be behind him. Who knows almost 20 years on this could be his Graham Taylor era.

The big difference though was the Doug was seriously on the back foot and Taylor was able to lay down the law early on meaning Doug had to give GT total control. Money also wasn't the be all and end all back then. Also Doug wasn't looking to get out like Lerner is.

  It's a horrible situation for Garde, shit squad but no money or urgency to sort it out from above.

I'd love your analogy to be true but different times I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BC54 VFC on February 01, 2016, 09:12:46 PM
Quote from: exigo on February 01, 2016, 08:03:35 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 01, 2016, 08:01:47 PM
Suggestions?

Above and beyond the obvious 'Remi Garde's claret and blue army', I'll be in the away end tomorrow night trying to get 'Remi Garde my lord' off the ground.

Great idea; let's do it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on February 01, 2016, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 01, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on February 01, 2016, 08:50:58 PM
To rub salt into the wound when he walks away he won't be replaced by Pep. Oh well, looks like we will have to make do with Jose.

We'd end up with someone like Steve Cotterill.

Hey, less knocking of SC please!

Tell you what though, if we did choose him, I'll happily be employed as Club Enterpreter because you'll never understand his accent. 😀
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 01, 2016, 09:23:45 PM
Like everybody else I am well and truly p***** off with the situation.  I just hope that Remi leans towards pragmatism than throwing toys out of the pram.

If I was Remi I would stop playing anybody he doesn't want to be part of the future and bring in the young players.  I am sure the supporters would back him and show encouragement rather than negativity.  If the club are not going to support him sufficiently he should look to build his own team from what we have.  Clear out the deadwood to train on their own, even if it lowers the value of the players.  The fans are sick of 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) chances to players like Guzan, Hutton, Bacuna, Westwood, Richards, Gabby, Richardson etc.  We are down so why bother about the results for the rest of the season.  Lets try and get something out of this season to take forward to next.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 01, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on February 01, 2016, 08:50:58 PM
To rub salt into the wound when he walks away he won't be replaced by Pep. Oh well, looks like we will have to make do with Jose.

We'd end up with someone like Steve Cotterill.

Yes, that's another thing that concerns me.

If Garde walks out, what kind of chumps are we going to be looking at as our new manager?

Nigel "Are you looking at me?" Pearson.

Nailed on.

It'll be like 2 desperate, pretty drunk, not very attractive people coping a feel when the lights go on at the end of the night.  There might be a bit of a feel good factor right there and then, but no one's walking away with their dignity intact or ego's bossted, and please god no unexpected surprises 9 months later.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 01, 2016, 09:34:21 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 01, 2016, 09:23:45 PM
Like everybody else I am well and truly p***** off with the situation.  I just hope that Remi leans towards pragmatism than throwing toys out of the pram.

If I was Remi I would stop playing anybody he doesn't want to be part of the future and bring in the young players. 

You've beaten me to it as in regards to young players. New signings would have freshened up the squad and given the place a lift but that's not happening and although I don't really like the idea of throwing kids into a relegation scrap, giving the likes of Hepburn-Murphy and Sellars might be an idea, just to try something different.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 01, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on February 01, 2016, 08:50:58 PM
To rub salt into the wound when he walks away he won't be replaced by Pep. Oh well, looks like we will have to make do with Jose.

We'd end up with someone like Steve Cotterill.

Yes, that's another thing that concerns me.

If Garde walks out, what kind of chumps are we going to be looking at as our new manager?

Nigel "Are you looking at me?" Pearson.

Nailed on.

It'll be like 2 desperate, pretty drunk, not very attractive people coping a feel when the lights go on at the end of the night.  There might be a bit of a feel good factor right there and then, but no one's walking away with their dignity intact or ego's bossted, and please god no unexpected surprises 9 months later.
If they wanted  Pearson they would have got him after Sherwood.
Pearson wouldn't come either. We're a total basket case of a club. Pearson could do better than us. A manager would have to be REALLY desperate to take us on now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 01, 2016, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 01, 2016, 09:11:45 PM
Quote from: Nunkin1965 on February 01, 2016, 09:01:30 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 08:42:51 PM
I hope.... really really hope, that the support get right behind Remi, he's been hung out to dry by the failures running the club.

I think that this could be a great opportunity for Garde. You're right. He has been seriously hung out by the club. He's taking all this mess and could like certain players desert his duty.

But I just don't think he will. I think he'll stay and try and bring back some pride and passion.

Its an opportunity to turn this mess around. Albeit in the Championship but fans can see whats happening and in the main I hope will be behind him. Who knows almost 20 years on this could be his Graham Taylor era.

The big difference though was the Doug was seriously on the back foot and Taylor was able to lay down the law early on meaning Doug had to give GT total control. Money also wasn't the be all and end all back then. Also Doug wasn't looking to get out like Lerner is.

  It's a horrible situation for Garde, shit squad but no money or urgency to sort it out from above.

I'd love your analogy to be true but different times I'm afraid.

You're right of course. Dofferent times. Until Lerner sells its going to be hell. I'm hoping Remi has the determination to stay and try and turn fortune around for us even if its small steps.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on February 01, 2016, 09:52:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 01, 2016, 09:34:21 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 01, 2016, 09:23:45 PM
Like everybody else I am well and truly p***** off with the situation.  I just hope that Remi leans towards pragmatism than throwing toys out of the pram.

If I was Remi I would stop playing anybody he doesn't want to be part of the future and bring in the young players. 

You've beaten me to it as in regards to young players. New signings would have freshened up the squad and given the place a lift but that's not happening and although I don't really like the idea of throwing kids into a relegation scrap, giving the likes of Hepburn-Murphy and Sellars might be an idea, just to try something different.

Agree. We don't want to see the likes of Agbonlahor back in the team after Garde has established he's no good and could be sold, not that there were any takers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 01, 2016, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 01, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on February 01, 2016, 08:50:58 PM
To rub salt into the wound when he walks away he won't be replaced by Pep. Oh well, looks like we will have to make do with Jose.

We'd end up with someone like Steve Cotterill.

Yes, that's another thing that concerns me.

If Garde walks out, what kind of chumps are we going to be looking at as our new manager?

Nigel "Are you looking at me?" Pearson.

Nailed on.

It'll be like 2 desperate, pretty drunk, not very attractive people coping a feel when the lights go on at the end of the night.  There might be a bit of a feel good factor right there and then, but no one's walking away with their dignity intact or ego's bossted, and please god no unexpected surprises 9 months later.
If they wanted  Pearson they would have got him after Sherwood.
Pearson wouldn't come either. We're a total basket case of a club. Pearson could do better than us. A manager would have to be REALLY desperate to take us on now.

If Pearson could do better than us, where have the queue of clubs been looking to take him on? He seems to still be unemployed last time I looked.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 10:04:15 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 01, 2016, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 01, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on February 01, 2016, 08:50:58 PM
To rub salt into the wound when he walks away he won't be replaced by Pep. Oh well, looks like we will have to make do with Jose.

We'd end up with someone like Steve Cotterill.

Yes, that's another thing that concerns me.

If Garde walks out, what kind of chumps are we going to be looking at as our new manager?

Nigel "Are you looking at me?" Pearson.

Nailed on.

It'll be like 2 desperate, pretty drunk, not very attractive people coping a feel when the lights go on at the end of the night.  There might be a bit of a feel good factor right there and then, but no one's walking away with their dignity intact or ego's bossted, and please god no unexpected surprises 9 months later.
If they wanted  Pearson they would have got him after Sherwood.
Pearson wouldn't come either. We're a total basket case of a club. Pearson could do better than us. A manager would have to be REALLY desperate to take us on now.

If Pearson could do better than us, where have the queue of clubs been looking to take him on? He seems to still be unemployed last time I looked.
If you think Pearson would come to the Villa, you're deluded. Badly run, no money, fans in revolt, Owner wants to sell, run by bean counters, shit squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 01, 2016, 10:07:00 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 10:04:15 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 01, 2016, 09:54:25 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 01, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on February 01, 2016, 08:50:58 PM
To rub salt into the wound when he walks away he won't be replaced by Pep. Oh well, looks like we will have to make do with Jose.

We'd end up with someone like Steve Cotterill.

Yes, that's another thing that concerns me.

If Garde walks out, what kind of chumps are we going to be looking at as our new manager?

Nigel "Are you looking at me?" Pearson.

Nailed on.

It'll be like 2 desperate, pretty drunk, not very attractive people coping a feel when the lights go on at the end of the night.  There might be a bit of a feel good factor right there and then, but no one's walking away with their dignity intact or ego's bossted, and please god no unexpected surprises 9 months later.
If they wanted  Pearson they would have got him after Sherwood.
Pearson wouldn't come either. We're a total basket case of a club. Pearson could do better than us. A manager would have to be REALLY desperate to take us on now.

If Pearson could do better than us, where have the queue of clubs been looking to take him on? He seems to still be unemployed last time I looked.
If you think Pearson would come to the Villa, you're deluded. Badly run, no money, fans in revolt, Owner wants to sell, run by bean counters, shit squad.

Ah, jolly good. The usual 'if you don't agree with me, you're deluded' line.

So we managed to get Remi Garde, but Nigel 'Guardiola' Pearson is way out of our league.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on February 01, 2016, 10:14:25 PM
Has he resigned yet?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 10:19:46 PM
Pearson would walk over broken glass to come.  This idea that he is a good manager for 7 games last season is a myth.  Worse still the man is a total fucking nutter. No one has taken him on because of it.  When Remi takes his leave we will be stuck with him. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 01, 2016, 10:21:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 10:19:46 PM
Pearson would walk over broken glass to come.

To be fair, he probably would literally walk over broken glass. Just because he could.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2016, 10:25:49 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 10:04:15 PM
If you think Pearson would come to the Villa, you're deluded.

I appreciate that everybody is upset by a shit season and a comically bad transfer window, but that is up there with the daftest things I've ever seen written on here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
I don't know which Remi Garde you think we "managed to get". He isn't some sort of Continental managerial giant. He managed the second biggest club in France to 3 upper mid table finishes and since then he'd been out of work for 2 years. Hardly a coup securing his services.

And yes, I'll say it again, if you think any manager who values his reputation would come to the Villa you are deluded. Since Garde's arrival that has only been re-inforced by the boards actions in this transfer window. Now more than ever, everyone can see that Villa is a club where the manager has nothing to work with and is hung out to dry by the board. Half the clubs in the Championship look like a better proposition to manage than us at the moment. Middlesbrough have just spent £11m on a striker. We won't be doing anything like that until lerner is gone.

When Garde walks at the end of the season, lets just see who pitches up in the dugout in August if Lerner is still the owner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TopDeck113 on February 01, 2016, 10:31:03 PM
Pat Murphy currently on 5 Live and typing out the first few lines in the Garde obituary.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 10:35:37 PM
I've never seen 5th, 4th and 3rd described as upper mid table before.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: atomicjam on February 01, 2016, 10:35:51 PM
Aston Villa boss Remi Garde contemplating exit following failed transfer window - so says the Express.


http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/640194/Remi-Garde-Aston-Villa-Quit-Premier-League-Transfer-News-Gossip-News
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 01, 2016, 10:36:07 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
I don't know which Remi Garde you think we "managed to get". He isn't some sort of Continental managerial giant. He managed the second biggest club in France to 3 upper mid table finishes and since then he'd been out of work for 2 years. Hardly a coup securing his services.

Which Remi Garde? There's two of them? I think we managed to get the Remi Garde Remi Garde.

Pearson was sacked by Leicester after finishing just above the relegation zone. Which part of that makes him the kind of managerial giant that teams are queuing up for?

Quote from: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
And yes, I'll say it again, if you think any manager who values his reputation would come to the Villa you are deluded.

You can say it as many times as you like. Still what you mean is 'if you disagree with me you are deluded'. Be as arrogant as you like, it's no skin off my nose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 10:40:27 PM
Think it's pretty clear from his comments today that he feels let down.  Once the trust between him and board head gone it's just a matter of time.  He is clearly going in May whatever happens.  The board at Villa really are spectacular kinds of cock sockets.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 10:41:04 PM
Well there you have it, in his own words. I would be amazed if Remi Garde stays after this season. We will be a Championship club, groping around in the dark for a manager that will come in to a broken club and work under our restrictions, we won't be signing anyone early because we wont have a fucking manager.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2016, 10:42:06 PM
I just watched his press conference on AVTV and his body language says it all.

These people are fucking idiots, they're bit by bit destroying this club.

Our only hope is to get sold to people who have a clue what they are doing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2016, 10:43:01 PM
One things for certain, the board won't give a toss if Remi walks now. We're down anyway and they'll save a few quid in salary when they appoint Kevin Mack and Eric Black to the end of the season before appointing the freely available Ian Holloway!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 10:43:22 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 10:41:04 PM
Well there you have it, in his own words. I would be amazed if Remi Garde stays after this season. We will be a Championship club, groping around in the dark for a manager that will come in to a broken club and work under our restrictions, we won't be signing anyone early because we wont have a fucking manager.



And can start another "plan"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2016, 10:43:52 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
And yes, I'll say it again, if you think any manager who values his reputation would come to the Villa you are deluded.

That's fine, but we're talking about Nigel Pearson aren't we?

Nigel "cares so little about his reputation that he'll try and strangle an opposition player on the touchline" Pearson?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 10:45:22 PM
I know that fucking a manager over like we are doing won't go down well with appointing anyone decent next. We will be trawling the sea of loser managers who will put up with any old shit just to have a job. They'll go down a treat with the brains trust because they'll cost pennies and won't make any waves.

Tom Fox deserves the tin tack after this season. I hate the smarmy prick.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 01, 2016, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 01, 2016, 10:43:52 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
And yes, I'll say it again, if you think any manager who values his reputation would come to the Villa you are deluded.

That's fine, but we're talking about Nigel Pearson aren't we?

Nigel "cares so little about his reputation that he'll try and strangle an opposition player on the touchline" Pearson?

I'd take him tomorrow if he strangled Tom Fox.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 10:50:16 PM
And had installed the good sense and moral fibre into his son to go to the home country of the owners on tour and be videoed farting in the face of a local hooker while waving his cock about.

If you really think Nigel Pearson would turn it down knowing he had failed everywhere else but Leicester and has string of questionable incidents you are mad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 10:43:22 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 10:41:04 PM
Well there you have it, in his own words. I would be amazed if Remi Garde stays after this season. We will be a Championship club, groping around in the dark for a manager that will come in to a broken club and work under our restrictions, we won't be signing anyone early because we wont have a fucking manager.



And can start another "plan"

Ozz, we all know now and have done for years, there's no fucking plans. They lerch around reacting to things and having to quickly repair stupid decisions they've made. The next one will be to quickly get in a new manager to replace the one they've stitched up so we can have adequate time to prepare for the bag of shit division that we are supposedly going to walk. No plan, just chaos.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on February 01, 2016, 10:53:37 PM
He thinks ostriches bury their heads in the sand too.

(Pearson, not Garde).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on February 01, 2016, 10:53:39 PM
“Maybe it was not as clear when I signed, but it’s something that I don’t want to discuss too much,” Garde said.

Read more: http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/newcastle-united/latest-nufc-news/aston-villa-boss-hints-at-quitting-after-missing-out-on-targets-to-newcastle-and-sunderland-1-7709497#ixzz3yxYle2tg
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 10:53:49 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 10:43:22 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 10:41:04 PM
Well there you have it, in his own words. I would be amazed if Remi Garde stays after this season. We will be a Championship club, groping around in the dark for a manager that will come in to a broken club and work under our restrictions, we won't be signing anyone early because we wont have a fucking manager.



And can start another "plan"

Ozz, we all know now and have done for years, there's no fucking plans. They lerch around reacting to things and having to quickly repair stupid decisions they've made. The next one will be to quickly get in a new manager to replace the one they've stitched up so we can have adequate time to prepare for the bag of shit division that we are supposedly going to walk. No plan, just chaos.

There you go.  A "plan"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BC Villain on February 01, 2016, 10:54:08 PM
Worrying thing for me is the board are probably thinking "it's only the Championship, we can piss that easily".

At least in 1987 there was some resemblance of a plan to get us back up.  I don't see any evidence of one now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2016, 10:54:30 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 01, 2016, 10:43:52 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
And yes, I'll say it again, if you think any manager who values his reputation would come to the Villa you are deluded.

That's fine, but we're talking about Nigel Pearson aren't we?

Nigel "cares so little about his reputation that he'll try and strangle an opposition player on the touchline" Pearson?

But surely his reputation is that of "unhinged nutter" so in that instance, reputation enhanced!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on February 01, 2016, 10:54:44 PM
SSN now saying Garde to reconsider his future.

Speculative? Concrete? Or bollocks?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2016, 10:54:58 PM
Blimey, I was hoping we wouldn't need a 'who do we want next as Manager' thread quite so soon. Wouldn't blame him though. Completely screwed over by the board changing their rules since he came in. Wow! Sheer fuckery.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: levico on February 01, 2016, 10:55:12 PM
Just said on Sky that Garde is considering his future at the club given the lack of signings.

Gone by Wednesday?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Grande Pablo on February 01, 2016, 10:55:20 PM
..at the end of the season, if you believe the Torygraph.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Drummond on February 01, 2016, 10:55:22 PM
'considering his future'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 01, 2016, 10:55:44 PM
Oh dear.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on February 01, 2016, 10:55:54 PM
Just been on SSN he's considering his future tonight after our lack of signings, absolutely gutted!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2016, 10:56:44 PM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on February 01, 2016, 10:53:37 PM
He thinks ostriches bury their heads in the sand too.

Pfft, so not only an nutcase who in the real world probably wouldn't even get a job as a PE teacher, but a shit ornithologist as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on February 01, 2016, 10:57:14 PM
In a year of depressing days, this tops the lot for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2016, 10:57:27 PM
Honour. The regime lack it. Remi doesn't.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on February 01, 2016, 10:59:04 PM
I hope he goes. He doesn't deserve this and it will put more spot light on the owner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 10:59:53 PM
I think 'considering his future' stories are based purely on his body language from his press conference, I doubt there is anything concrete in it..... I for one would not blame him in the slightest for thinking fuck this though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on February 01, 2016, 11:00:25 PM
This is down to Hollis I reckon All he's talked about is penny pinching since he's come here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 01, 2016, 11:01:50 PM
This is total guess work from SSN based on his comments and demeanour. 

Wouldn't surprise me though but I'm sure they know no more than we do, just fills time and gives them a story to talk up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2016, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 01, 2016, 10:54:30 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 01, 2016, 10:43:52 PM
Quote from: Trinitymiddle on February 01, 2016, 10:28:28 PM
And yes, I'll say it again, if you think any manager who values his reputation would come to the Villa you are deluded.

That's fine, but we're talking about Nigel Pearson aren't we?

Nigel "cares so little about his reputation that he'll try and strangle an opposition player on the touchline" Pearson?

But surely his reputation is that of "unhinged nutter" so in that instance, reputation enhanced!

Touché
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ger Regan on February 01, 2016, 11:03:39 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on February 01, 2016, 10:59:04 PM
I hope he goes. He doesn't deserve this and it will put more spot light on the owner.
Christ, no. I hope his reaction is a catalyst for the board to wake the fuck up and move heaven and earth to get the players he wants in during the summer. Right now though, I have absolutely no faith in them to do anything other than gormlessly muddle their way along as they are in the hope that it will all work itself out on its own, somehow.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 01, 2016, 11:03:39 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 10:59:53 PM
I think 'considering his future' stories are based purely on his body language from his press conference, I doubt there is anything concrete in it..... I for one would not blame him in the slightest for thinking fuck this though.

They said it was breaking news just before 11pm. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2016, 11:04:25 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 01, 2016, 11:03:39 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 10:59:53 PM
I think 'considering his future' stories are based purely on his body language from his press conference, I doubt there is anything concrete in it..... I for one would not blame him in the slightest for thinking fuck this though.

They said it was breaking news just before 11pm. 

Yeah, but they would do, wouldn't they?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ger Regan on February 01, 2016, 11:04:58 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 01, 2016, 11:03:39 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 10:59:53 PM
I think 'considering his future' stories are based purely on his body language from his press conference, I doubt there is anything concrete in it..... I for one would not blame him in the slightest for thinking fuck this though.

They said it was breaking news just before 11pm. 
It's a rehash of the press conference quotes from earlier in the day, spun by the express into a "considering his options" piece.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on February 01, 2016, 11:05:51 PM
The reports in the papers are saying through a friend he has made it known he is unhappy.The guy who went to Sunderland was set to sign but we pulled out of the deal , looks like we also pulled out of the deals for Debuachy over funds

Board have no clue with 15 games left they have left the manager and players hung out to dry .. how is Garde supposed to lift what is already a squad lacking talent with no help from above.I just fear a total breakdown and us taking hammerings for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2016, 11:06:31 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on February 01, 2016, 11:03:39 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on February 01, 2016, 10:59:04 PM
I hope he goes. He doesn't deserve this and it will put more spot light on the owner.
Christ, no. I hope his reaction is a catalyst for the board to wake the fuck up and move heaven and earth to get the players he wants in during the summer. Right now though, I have absolutely no faith in them to do anything other than gormlessly muddle their way along as they are in the hope that it will all work itself out on its own, somehow.

That opportunity has gone as we will now need to cut our cloth accordingly and sign lesser players than the ones Remi wanted during this window. Second rate players for a soon to become a second rate club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2016, 11:07:19 PM
Yes, it looks like all of the newspapers are just rehashing his earlier quotes, adding in the fact that we haven't bought anybody, and come up with the fact that he's considering his future.  Which to be honest, he'd be mental not to.  I have one rule in my professional life that's served me quite well: don't work for idiots.  Garde should tell them to shove it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on February 01, 2016, 11:07:49 PM
Quote from: Grande Pablo on February 01, 2016, 10:55:20 PM
..at the end of the season, if you believe the Torygraph.

dont understand that. Whats the point in staying?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 11:08:35 PM
Had they paid the money for Khazi and Sane the striker may have come.  As Garde said early in the window once one comes other players follow.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 01, 2016, 11:08:43 PM
The talk was about selling the club to get players to come to the club.

Lerner now needs to quickly sell the club to Remi and the fans, otherwise Fox will be the last out turning off the lights.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on February 01, 2016, 11:10:28 PM
I can see a hammering tomorrow night - pun intended- and him walking on wednesday
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 11:11:46 PM
Mr too myf
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BC Villain on February 01, 2016, 11:13:07 PM
One or two rumours that he's resigned.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 01, 2016, 11:13:23 PM
Can anyone find the statement we made on the evening Remi was appointed. It was chest thumping on the theme of we might be bottom and you may all be laughing at us but we'll have the last laugh in January and at the end of the season, Krulak may well have written it.

Well here we are in January and we have done fcuk all and everyone is still laughing at us.

I would not blame Remi at all if he walks, we are down now so we have 4 months of just fulfilling our fixtures so hopefully the ire can be directed at the board.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 01, 2016, 11:14:53 PM
Feel sorry for Remi. The only person left at the club that I have a modicum of respect for.
Right royally shafted by the board during this window. If they'd have shown a bit of bottle at the start of the window, and got a striker in, we'd have had at least have a fighting chance.
I'd walk if I was in his shoes, and if he does, we should fill Villa Park on Saturday and give it to those mutha fuckers sat in the boardroom with both barrels! They're the ones that need to be brought to the media's attention, NOT the French contingent of players who have carried most of the can for their ineptitude.
Should have guessed this would happen when the first words out of that new Lerner mouthpiece were 'We don't fear relegation'. FFS!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 01, 2016, 11:15:15 PM
He won't see out the week.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 11:17:18 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on February 01, 2016, 11:03:39 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on February 01, 2016, 10:59:04 PM
I hope he goes. He doesn't deserve this and it will put more spot light on the owner.
Christ, no. I hope his reaction is a catalyst for the board to wake the fuck up and move heaven and earth to get the players he wants in during the summer. Right now though, I have absolutely no faith in them to do anything other than gormlessly muddle their way along as they are in the hope that it will all work itself out on its own, somehow.

If anything was going to be  the catalyst to move heaven and earth, it would have been our current situation requiring a better option up front than Gestede or Kozak.  Christ I'd have flown Morten Rasmussen over from FC MidtJylland instead of driving up the road to Aarhus. He's old, knackered and past it and wasn't much cop in his 18 months at Celtic, but he's better than them.  Even if we'd only thrown the 300K euros at that kid in Holland it would have been a bit of hope. 

Instead the message is loud and clear.  Hurricane "Shitstorm" is approaching.  For those who can't evacuate, hunker down, batten down the hatches and don't look outside until "Shitstorm" has passed. The storm is predicted to last until mid May, where we'll have a look at the damage and see what can be salvaged.  Oh and if you'd care tro keep sending us the £20-50 every other week until the storm has passed it would be much appreciated.

Garde comes across as an honest and decent sort of bloke, so I'd be surprised if he bails before the end of the season, but if he feels that they've had the bag on him he'll be straight on the train to St Pancras and then the Eurostar from the Emirates by 17:30 on May 15th.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2016, 11:17:34 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 01, 2016, 11:15:15 PM
He won't see out the week.

I don't think he will, either, sadly.

It looks to me like they've made promises, Hollis has come in, they've changed their minds.

Still, at least Tom Fox has got the new shirt deal to be happy about.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: phantom limb on February 01, 2016, 11:18:10 PM
So if he goes who will manage the team? Eric Black?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 01, 2016, 11:15:15 PM
He won't see out the week.

Really hope he stays but if he goes unlike others that have left i would genuinely hope he goes on to have a successful career.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on February 01, 2016, 11:19:42 PM
Well the Transfer Tavern think Nigel Pearson might come in and give us a lift?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2016, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: phantom limb on February 01, 2016, 11:18:10 PM
So if he goes who will manage the team? Eric Black?

Eric fucking Black. A championship assistant if ever I've seen one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 11:20:37 PM
If he goes it'll probably be another couple of million payout.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 01, 2016, 11:20:50 PM
They just showed the Remi interview, obviously he is extremely dissapointed.
He was trying to be as candid as he could.
The only decent person involved in the running of this club.
Shamefull.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu on February 01, 2016, 11:20:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2016, 11:17:34 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 01, 2016, 11:15:15 PM
He won't see out the week.

I don't think he will, either, sadly.

It looks to me like they've made promises, Hollis has come in, they've changed their minds.

That's how I see it. Nick Mashiter on Twitter was saying that Garde had just about persuaded one or two players to sign, but finances were a problem.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dazvillain on February 01, 2016, 11:21:27 PM
I think he'll stay till summer then bring on Harry ,........
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on February 01, 2016, 11:22:02 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 11:20:37 PM
If he goes it'll probably be another couple of million payout.

Not if he resigns I would have thought.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 01, 2016, 11:22:50 PM
Quote from: Dazvillain on February 01, 2016, 11:21:27 PM
I think he'll stay till summer then bring on Harry ,........

Debbie?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 11:23:15 PM
Quote from: not3bad on February 01, 2016, 11:22:02 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 11:20:37 PM
If he goes it'll probably be another couple of million payout.

Not if he resigns I would have thought.

How much did we pay MON? Genuine question that is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 01, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
If he walked now I wouldn't blame him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dazvillain on February 01, 2016, 11:24:01 PM
Quote from: Des Little on February 01, 2016, 11:22:50 PM
Quote from: Dazvillain on February 01, 2016, 11:21:27 PM
I think he'll stay till summer then bring on Harry ,........

Debbie?
She's got a heart of glass
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on February 01, 2016, 11:24:43 PM
Quote from: Louzie04Remi on January 01, 2016, 11:44:26 PM
If January goes by without significant change taking place and improvements we can all see, then Tom Fox will be a knob.
Until then I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
Despite the depths to which we have just...etc.

There we go.
He's a knob.
And I don't believe the depths to which we have just sunk but between him and the others on the Board, they have scope to take us further.
Poor old Remi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on February 01, 2016, 11:26:36 PM
Hollis appointment looking like another masterstroke. Taken him 3 weeks to extinguish all hope and drive out the manager. We used to laugh at the noses for these kind of cock ups.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 11:26:39 PM
Quote from: Stu on February 01, 2016, 11:20:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2016, 11:17:34 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 01, 2016, 11:15:15 PM
He won't see out the week.

I don't think he will, either, sadly.

It looks to me like they've made promises, Hollis has come in, they've changed their minds.

That's how I see it. Nick Mashiter on Twitter was saying that Garde had just about persuaded one or two players to sign, but finances were a problem.

If that's true then that's disgusting.  If he's managed to pull off one of the hardest sells in history, not once but twice, and then have the rug pulled from under him after public statements saying that they were doing all that they could at the trust AGM he must have good grounds for constructive dismissal.  And if not that just cause to give Fox and Hollis a physical kick in the bollocks that's the equivalent of the metaphysical one that they've given him.

By the way, that guy has a really unfortunate surname.  He doesn't frequent a certain off-topic thread by any chance?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dazvillain on February 01, 2016, 11:28:57 PM
Ive always been a proud villain in good times and bad but I really am embarrassed at being connected to an absolute laughing stock of a club. It's not just the effort, results, the players, but clearly more than ever now, the total infrastructure. Its going to take a few years to get back to prem now
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: croatian on February 01, 2016, 11:30:17 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 01, 2016, 11:15:15 PM
He won't see out the week.

Really hope he stays but if he goes unlike others that have left i would genuinely hope he goes on to have a successful career.
Totally agree. He needs to get out ASAP, before his CV is stained. He seems to have handled himself with restraint and dignity.
He deserves far, far better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu on February 01, 2016, 11:30:39 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 11:26:39 PM
Quote from: Stu on February 01, 2016, 11:20:59 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2016, 11:17:34 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 01, 2016, 11:15:15 PM
He won't see out the week.

I don't think he will, either, sadly.

It looks to me like they've made promises, Hollis has come in, they've changed their minds.

That's how I see it. Nick Mashiter on Twitter was saying that Garde had just about persuaded one or two players to sign, but finances were a problem.

If that's true then that's disgusting.  If he's managed to pull off one of the hardest sells in history, not once but twice, and then have the rug pulled from under him after public statements saying that they were doing all that they could at the trust AGM he must have good grounds for constructive dismissal.  And if not that just cause to give Fox and Hollis a physical kick in the bollocks that's the equivalent of the metaphysical one that they've given him.

By the way, that guy has a really unfortunate surname.  He doesn't frequent a certain off-topic thread by any chance?

I was thinking the same; it makes me feel a bit sick thinking it might be true.

Next bit - weird one isn't it? Would like to think he posts on here!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BC54 VFC on February 01, 2016, 11:31:00 PM
Quote from: Dazvillain on February 01, 2016, 11:24:01 PM
Quote from: Des Little on February 01, 2016, 11:22:50 PM
Quote from: Dazvillain on February 01, 2016, 11:21:27 PM
I think he'll stay till summer then bring on Harry ,........

Debbie?
She's got a heart of glass
I think 'Will Anything Happen?' from the same album is more apt.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 11:23:15 PM
Quote from: not3bad on February 01, 2016, 11:22:02 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 11:20:37 PM
If he goes it'll probably be another couple of million payout.

Not if he resigns I would have thought.

How much did we pay MON? Genuine question that is.

Non disclosed as it was a mutual settlement with no admission on either side.  It was essentially, "Here's some money.  Now please f##k off so we concentrate on other matters." Whatever we gave him was probably judged to be less than the costs of the case going through tribunal plus possible appeal without thinking about any settlement afterwards.  From recollection those kinds of case are never 100% in favour of one party or the other.  As employer you're always going to get stuck for 10-15% of the claim as it's as good as impossible to fully document compliance with every point.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2016, 11:33:38 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 01, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
If he walked now I wouldn't blame him.

It would be fucking scandalous if they have broken promises to him. I can understand there might have been a change in direction as the window evolved but not to be point where commitments they made as part of appointing him have been discarded. You know me. I try and be as optimistic as possible but the way it has all panned out I'm all in on calling out the board for what they are if they do force is hand and he does quit. Because it takes some fucking doing to get someone to quit these days.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on February 01, 2016, 11:34:59 PM
This ****** Hollis is a faceless consultant we've probably all come across if we've worked for a big ailing organisation. No connection with the staff or the 'customers' and armed with a bit fat red pencil cutting and slashing with no remorse at the behest of the 'shareholder' then fucking off within a few months with a big fat fee in his pocket and a sanctimonious smirk on his face.
This looks like the end of our status as a big club, period.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2016, 11:35:16 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 11:23:15 PM
Quote from: not3bad on February 01, 2016, 11:22:02 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 11:20:37 PM
If he goes it'll probably be another couple of million payout.

Not if he resigns I would have thought.

How much did we pay MON? Genuine question that is.

Non disclosed as it was a mutual settlement with no admission on either side.  It was essentially, "Here's some money.  Now please f##k off so we concentrate on other matters." Whatever we gave him was probably judged to be less than the costs of the case going through tribunal plus possible appeal without thinking about any settlement afterwards.  From recollection those kinds of case are never 100% in favour of one party or the other.  As employer you're always going to get stuck for 10-15% of the claim as it's as good as impossible to fully document compliance with every point.

The O'Neill costs were in the relevant accounts.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on February 01, 2016, 11:37:42 PM
Merci beaucoup, M. Garde, pour votre travail. C'est un dommage que les dirigeants de ce club sont branleurs qui ne voulons pas vous supporter.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 11:37:43 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 01, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
If he walked now I wouldn't blame him.

Not  often you and I see eye to eye, but 100% agree with this.

If what Stu has said about him persuading a couple to sign up only to have the rug pulled from under him are true, I'd happily slip on my size 11 steel toe caps and jump on a flight to give Fox and Hollis a cheery early morning kick in the bollocks to match the one they've given Garde and by extension, us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 01, 2016, 11:38:23 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 01, 2016, 11:35:16 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 11:23:15 PM
Quote from: not3bad on February 01, 2016, 11:22:02 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 11:20:37 PM
If he goes it'll probably be another couple of million payout.

Not if he resigns I would have thought.

How much did we pay MON? Genuine question that is.

Non disclosed as it was a mutual settlement with no admission on either side.  It was essentially, "Here's some money.  Now please f##k off so we concentrate on other matters." Whatever we gave him was probably judged to be less than the costs of the case going through tribunal plus possible appeal without thinking about any settlement afterwards.  From recollection those kinds of case are never 100% in favour of one party or the other.  As employer you're always going to get stuck for 10-15% of the claim as it's as good as impossible to fully document compliance with every point.

The O'Neill costs were in the relevant accounts.
Pretty sure it was 8million
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 01, 2016, 11:39:49 PM
Rarely have I seen such an obviously decent man and potentially good manager for us in time treated so disprespectfully and shabbily in such a short space of time.  The current players aren't blameless in this either especially the usual suspects.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on February 01, 2016, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on February 01, 2016, 11:34:59 PM
This c*** Hollis is a faceless consultant we've probably all come across if we've worked for a big ailing organisation. No connection with the staff or the 'customers' and armed with a bit fat red pencil cutting and slashing with no remorse at the behest of the 'shareholder' then fucking off within a few months with a big fat fee in his pocket and a sanctimonious smirk on his face.
This looks like the end of our status as a big club, period.

Nailed it. Talking about the money spent in the summer and failing to mention the £40m brought in.

Your last sentence, I am afraid, is spot on. How can we call ourselves a big club, circling the drain for half a decade. It hasn't been anywhere near good enough for a very long time and the pathetic 'custodianship' of the past half decade, signing utter crap after seasons of scraping to safety, is an insult to everybody who has ever worked to make the villa what it is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2016, 11:40:12 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 11:37:43 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 01, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
If he walked now I wouldn't blame him.

Not  often you and I see eye to eye, but 100% agree with this.

If what Stu has said about him persuading a couple to sign up only to have the rug pulled from under him are true, I'd happily slip on my size 11 steel toe caps and jump on a flight to give Fox and Hollis a cheery early morning kick in the bollocks to match the one they've given Garde and by extension, us.

Clearly Kharzi and Debuchy. Both would have on paper improved the team. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on February 01, 2016, 11:41:27 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 01, 2016, 11:38:23 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 01, 2016, 11:35:16 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 01, 2016, 11:32:05 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 11:23:15 PM
Quote from: not3bad on February 01, 2016, 11:22:02 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 01, 2016, 11:20:37 PM
If he goes it'll probably be another couple of million payout.

Not if he resigns I would have thought.

How much did we pay MON? Genuine question that is.

Non disclosed as it was a mutual settlement with no admission on either side.  It was essentially, "Here's some money.  Now please f##k off so we concentrate on other matters." Whatever we gave him was probably judged to be less than the costs of the case going through tribunal plus possible appeal without thinking about any settlement afterwards.  From recollection those kinds of case are never 100% in favour of one party or the other.  As employer you're always going to get stuck for 10-15% of the claim as it's as good as impossible to fully document compliance with every point.

The O'Neill costs were in the relevant accounts.
Pretty sure it was 8million

It's difficult to say with certainty from the accounts as it gets mixed up with other amounts.  Over the last 5 or so years we've been in the comically ridiculous situation most seasons of either paying a manager off, paying a club to release a manager, or both.  As a result, trying to nail down amounts to just one manager is quite difficult.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on February 01, 2016, 11:46:01 PM
I think Garde will see out the season, but unless the ownership situation changes he'll go then I think. Like Wenger he has a slightly mad sense of duty and honour, so he won't walk out mid-season. Beyond that, however, I think it's looking very unlikely indeed that he'll be our manager for or first match in next year's Championship. The board deserve congratulations for that, it's some achievement really.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Axl Rose on February 01, 2016, 11:46:03 PM
I just feel sorry for Remi.

I feel nothing but disdain for those who 'run' our club. The players had better get their proverbial fingers out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on February 01, 2016, 11:55:24 PM
He's now the favourite to be the next Premier League manager to leave his post.

How the fuck have we got to this?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve R on February 02, 2016, 12:01:18 AM
Under Garde we have seem a few signs of twitching from the corpse - no mean feat. In him there is a glimmer of hope that at last we have a manager to take us in the right direction. If anyone doesn't agree with that then fine, but the qualities and qualifications of the man that will replace him don't bear thinking about.

The only thing that can be said for Nigel Pearson is that If he is appointed I hope that it is before N'Zogbia leaves the club.

Hollis has been a horror story so far. Foot in mouth when faced with a microphone,  and now almost certainly pissing off one of the few positives the club has in its favour at the moment. I would never have imagined that we would end up with a chairman that makes Mark Ansell look like a big hitter.

Never mind 86/7, this is 1966/7 all over again. We have people in charge who do not have the first idea as to how to run a football club, it is way beyond their level of competence.

If you are leaving, all the best Remi - and thanks. On your way out please spare a thought for those of us who do not have the same option.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 12:01:51 AM
By not backing the bloke. Going out in the first week of the window and getting Kharzi and the deal for the keeper sorted would have a. shown some support, and b. allowed time to find another keeper! As it was it was all left too late. They were clearly indecisive and then would not pay the required money.

You are not telling me offering Doumbia the same money as Newcastle plus a 2m bonus for keeping us up would not have swayed him here. There are ways and means, and clearly we have managed to appoint someone who looks like they could do a job in the long term throughout the club structure, but have tied his hands behind his back and spun him round a few times.

It really is piss poor.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 02, 2016, 12:02:36 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 01, 2016, 11:55:24 PM
He's now the favourite to be the next Premier League manager to leave his post.

How the fuck have we got to this?

Start with a dose of recklessness then stir in a dash of panic.
Add a good portion of stupidity and a heaped spoonful of blind hope.
Mix vigorously and blend in a measure of desperation garnished with a clutch of straws.
Finish with a pinch of decency then throw the whole lot on the floor and shit on it from a great height.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 02, 2016, 12:02:54 AM
The night before the City game I watched Villa Newcastle from 07/08 I think. 0-1 at half-time. 4-1 full-time. Bouma, Larrson, Mellberg, Petrov,Barry, Carew,Young, Maloney etc.

These are sad days indeed.

What an extraordinary collapse.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 02, 2016, 12:03:27 AM
Look on the bright side.  If he does end up going before Saturday at least we will have Kev to rely on to pick all the good players against Norwich.  You know those ones that don't come from anywhere near Dover.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on February 02, 2016, 12:04:55 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 02, 2016, 12:02:36 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 01, 2016, 11:55:24 PM
He's now the favourite to be the next Premier League manager to leave his post.

How the fuck have we got to this?

Start with a dose of recklessness then stir in a dash of panic.
Add a good portion of stupidity and a heaped spoonful of blind hope.
Mix vigorously and blend in a measure of desperation garnished with a clutch of straws.
Finish with a pinch of decency then throw the whole lot on the floor and shit on it from a great height.
Second verse to spoon full of sugar?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 02, 2016, 12:07:43 AM
Quote from: Nunkin1965 on February 02, 2016, 12:02:54 AM
The night before the City game I watched Villa Newcastle from 07/08 I think. 0-1 at half-time. 4-1 full-time. Bouma, Larrson, Mellberg, Petrov,Barry, Carew,Young, Maloney etc.

These are sad days indeed.

What an extraordinary collapse.




And all quite deliberate. Slash the wage bill, that was our only tactic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on February 02, 2016, 12:03:27 AM
Look on the bright side.  If he does end up going before Saturday at least we will have Kev to rely on to pick all the good players against Norwich.  You know those ones that don't come from anywhere near Dover.

Shudders
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on February 02, 2016, 12:19:18 AM
When I first saw the reports of him reconsidering his position I assumed they were being blown out of all proportion but reading RG's quotes it's clear they are far from it. Difficult to envisage him being at the club beyond the summer, if he even lasts much longer.

Just when I think this lot can't get any shitter they go and surprise me - it's their one talent.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 02, 2016, 12:22:41 AM
He is relatively new in terms of being a manager, so I'm pretty sure he can't afford to tarnish his reputation too badly at this point.  This has given him a legitimate excuse to jump ship and I think a heavy defeat tomorrow might make his mind up for him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 02, 2016, 12:27:09 AM
I don't see how it will tarnish his reputation.

The world and his wife think we are a basket case of a club.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 02, 2016, 12:34:44 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 02, 2016, 12:27:09 AM
I don't see how it will tarnish his reputation.

The world and his wife think we are a basket case of a club.

Relegation and possible struggle in the Championship would definitely tarnish his reputation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 12:35:14 AM
We are at a really bad stage now because no matter what the board says no one will take them for their words. They will have zero credibility with the support after this seasons fiasco and some very ill judged comments. Hollis will be branded with their incompetence before he's really started.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Keeno on February 02, 2016, 12:37:23 AM
Quote from: Nunkin1965 on February 02, 2016, 12:02:54 AM
The night before the City game I watched Villa Newcastle from 07/08 I think. 0-1 at half-time. 4-1 full-time. Bouma, Larrson, Mellberg, Petrov,Barry, Carew,Young, Maloney etc.

These are sad days indeed.

What an extraordinary collapse.



 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on February 02, 2016, 12:42:20 AM
In his position I would walk now, we may not win another game this season and what few decent players we have will be gone in the summer. There is no blame attached to him in fact he has steadied the ship over the last few weeks but with no new players coming in I can see things deteriorating rapidly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Smirker on February 02, 2016, 12:45:25 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 02, 2016, 12:02:36 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 01, 2016, 11:55:24 PM
He's now the favourite to be the next Premier League manager to leave his post.

How the fuck have we got to this?

Start with a dose of recklessness then stir in a dash of panic.
Add a good portion of stupidity and a heaped spoonful of blind hope.
Mix vigorously and blend in a measure of desperation garnished with a clutch of straws.
Finish with a pinch of decency then throw the whole lot on the floor and shit on it from a great height.

Nicely put.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 01:24:21 AM
Tom Ross has just put on Twitter I wonder if Remi Garde has the same job he was interviewed for.

The new Chairman coming in has clearly changed something. The pointed references to the board through the month on money topics and that they should answer. I won't hold my breathe for Fox (who must be thicker than 2 short planks to not realise all the shit he spouts about shirts and commercial improvements will be gone next season) or Hollis to come out and speak tomorrow about the complete failure of the window.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2016, 01:28:40 AM
Grades words and demeanour told you everything, he looked like a man who had just been shit on from a great height.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 02, 2016, 02:00:42 AM
Steve Harrison strikes again!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 02:03:25 AM
Steve harrison strikes again?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 02, 2016, 02:06:25 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 02:03:25 AM
Steve harrison strikes again?

Dressing room jolly japes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ZhongYi on February 02, 2016, 02:11:52 AM
bookies got him at a staggering 1/1 to be on his way that is a cock up that even a Leeds United or a Portsmouth couldnt probably outdo. The AV board needs lynching.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2016, 02:16:51 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 02:03:25 AM
Steve harrison strikes again?
i said great height
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 02, 2016, 04:19:11 AM
Remi Garde 'not happy' as Aston Villa draw Deadline Day blank | Football News | Sky Sports http://teamstre.am/2044MZF
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 02, 2016, 05:00:38 AM
Thing is, if we've decided to keep our powder dry for the January window because we're 10 points behind and couldn't attract our top choices then I'm fine with this - but ONLY if Remi Garde has understood and agreed to this policy. 

However, if the Club has pulled the rug from under him and changed strategy WITHOUT Remi's understanding and agreement then I think he'll walk.  In fact taking off my Villa supporters hat, I think he should walk.

Problem is, you could read Garde's comments a number of ways.  And you could read his body language a number of ways. Pissed off yes, but pissed off at what, the general situation? the players who told him they'd come? the players agents who upped the wage demands at the last minute? the Club for not backing him? some of the above? or all of the above?

It easy (too fucking easy with this mob) to immediately believe its incompetence on behalf of the transfer committee and the Board - and McGrath knows they've been culpable in the past.  But let's cool down and not jump to too many conclusions until we've heard another press conference from RG.   

It might be as simple as us making offers for the players he really wanted and none of the fuckers wanted to sign.  So we didn't want to throw money at the 2nd/3rd string options.  You see, I can totally understand that.

Anyway, that's my straw I'm clutching at because if we lost Garde over this - well that just cannot be allowed to happen.  I do know one thing though, we need him more than he needs us right now.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 02, 2016, 05:03:17 AM
I have stated a few times on here that I am still not a 100% convinced on Garde, but what I am convinced about is that he has gone about his role with integrity and honesty and yes there has been shoots of improvement.
Someone wrote , if they have changed what he was promised, well I am sure in November they did not sit down with him and state, the squad you are getting is shite, if you want to make any signings in January forget it, anyone can see we need a forward but sorry Gestede and Kozak are your options till May, make it work or if not use Gabby, he is a fans favorite.

The man has been given the biggest slap in the face I have ever seen, delivered by incompetent people who have a directive from a clueless owner cut, cut , cut.
Remi thank you for your service, whether it is this week or in May a decent human being you deserve better employers than what you have now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villabear on February 02, 2016, 05:19:33 AM
Hollis on 22nd January 2016 - "This is not about spending money. That is not the reason why the club is not doing well. Other things need to be fixed before we go out and spend big money."

What other things? Getting relegated and make us look an absolute laughing stock?

Garde has been hung out to dry by him and Fox et al. As I read earlier and apologies for quoting without crediting them the job he's got now is totally different from the one he was interviewed for.

We know we had a faint hope with this window open but to not do one bit of business is shameful.

Remi seems a genuine dignified and honourable bloke so if as it seems the carpets been pulled from under him who'd blame him if he walked?






Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 02, 2016, 05:26:55 AM
Far be it for me to defend the numptys but Hollis is right.

"This is not about spending money. That is not the reason why the club is not doing well. Other things need to be fixed before we go out and spend big money." 

It's not so much the money we've spent over the last 5 years that's been the problem, it's the players we've purchased and the managers that we've chosen.  There's plenty out there that have spent less net than we have but are comfortably better than us right now.  It's not the money, it's the people.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 02, 2016, 05:52:35 AM
Oz in alot of ways you are quite right, this is a conclusion of years of miss- management and it could not have come back to bite us at such a bad time.

Reading between the lines, what Garde was asking for looks like 5 mill for the goalie, 8 mill for the guy gone to Sunderland and a loan amount for Debauchy and the man gone to Newcastle with an option to buy so probably spend now of 17 mill plus wages, not a pittance agreed. Would this be enough to change round the season I do not know, but with a difference of 99 mill TV or 34 mill parachute payment, would it have been a calculated risk, I believe so. Some of that could have been clawed back by selling toss pot Richards to Sunderland, lets say cautiously 5 mill, so now we are down to 12 mill plus wages, bringing in 4 losing 1.So 1 mill more than what Boro have spent.

This then allows Garde to start to mould his own team, this has been denied him and I am a 100% certain that was not the terms and conditions he took the post under. Hollis may have had a major effect on that and would not approve that outlay, so as a club they have taken the decision to demotivate the manager, who already has had to deal with dressing room
 rifts, poor attitudes by senior pros and some junior player who thinks he is the bees knees, the clue is in the title of Remis position, Manager,he has started that process but the club will not invest to allow him to continue.

This spiral has only just started, my concern is where it is going to end.

What we have now is a unmotivated manager
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 02, 2016, 06:52:20 AM
What has happened is hardly going to galvanise the players either.  On one hand they're regretting not getting some extra bodies to help them out of trouble and on the other the manager has publicly stated that they lack quality. 

I was pretty confident that Garde had got them on track for 30 points this season, however now I fear they could follow the board's example and just give up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on February 02, 2016, 07:34:23 AM
Quote from: BC54 VFC on February 01, 2016, 09:12:46 PM
Quote from: exigo on February 01, 2016, 08:03:35 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 01, 2016, 08:01:47 PM
Suggestions?

Above and beyond the obvious 'Remi Garde's claret and blue army', I'll be in the away end tomorrow night trying to get 'Remi Garde my lord' off the ground.

Great idea; let's do it.

This is a great idea. As someone who can't attend the game, I'm grateful for this. Please let us know how it goes
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: manic-road on February 02, 2016, 07:42:15 AM
I wouldn't blame Remi if he walked at the end of the season, he, the team and the fans have been massively let down by the clowns running the club. To stand by and not bring in just one of the players that Remi wanted whilst our relegation rivals strengthened highlights the incompetence of Lerner Fox etc.
Remi hasn't been backed at all which is a disgusting betrayal after they got him in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 02, 2016, 07:49:23 AM
When Wenger decides to call it a day I know who their next manager will be...don't you?
And he fully deserves that job!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 02, 2016, 08:01:38 AM
Quote from: MattW on February 02, 2016, 07:34:23 AM
Quote from: BC54 VFC on February 01, 2016, 09:12:46 PM
Quote from: exigo on February 01, 2016, 08:03:35 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 01, 2016, 08:01:47 PM
Suggestions?

Above and beyond the obvious 'Remi Garde's claret and blue army', I'll be in the away end tomorrow night trying to get 'Remi Garde my lord' off the ground.

Great idea; let's do it.

This is a great idea. As someone who can't attend the game, I'm grateful for this. Please let us know how it goes

Great thing to do btw. For those of us who won't be there we'll be listening out for it.

We should give it a real go on Saturday. I'm only hoping Remi is there to see and hear it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on February 02, 2016, 08:18:25 AM
Quote from: LukeJames on February 02, 2016, 12:04:55 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 02, 2016, 12:02:36 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 01, 2016, 11:55:24 PM
He's now the favourite to be the next Premier League manager to leave his post.

How the fuck have we got to this?

Start with a dose of recklessness then stir in a dash of panic.
Add a good portion of stupidity and a heaped spoonful of blind hope.
Mix vigorously and blend in a measure of desperation garnished with a clutch of straws.
Finish with a pinch of decency then throw the whole lot on the floor and shit on it from a great height.
Second verse to spoon full of sugar?
A spoonful of Hollis helps the Villa go down
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on February 02, 2016, 08:24:35 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on February 01, 2016, 11:39:49 PM
Rarely have I seen such an obviously decent man and potentially good manager for us in time treated so disprespectfully and shabbily in such a short space of time.  The current players aren't blameless in this either especially the usual suspects.

Yes, it's shameful, and these are now very desperate times.

I agree that Hollis seems to be the catalyst for the austerity. The self-confessed not-a-football-man. Sees problem as expenditure, but fails to properly account for the human aspects, in particular the need to support the highly competent manager, who is the club's best hope of escaping the mire. Guys like him always underestimate the value of good employees.

Perhaps it was better the devil you know - Lerner usually did loosen the purse strings at some point and seemed able to be persuaded.

Until Lerner leaves there's no way out because he's too incompetent to employ decent executives so the club will continue to be driven into the ground.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 02, 2016, 08:37:22 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on February 02, 2016, 07:49:23 AM
When Wenger decides to call it a day I know who their next manager will be...don't you?
And he fully deserves that job!

Who?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2016, 08:43:13 AM
Hollis is right, if the question is about the troubles of the last five years, then the answer is not just to spend money.

If the question is how to get out of this mess right now, though, then he's wrong, the answer is to spend money - to strengthen the squad. Anyone who has watched us this season can see what a difference options up front would make.

There's no guarantee that spending money would save us, but not spending any at all guarantees we will go down.

Still, how would you expect someone who is not a football man to understand that? Why would you feel you have to persuade someone like that to take the job and then drop them in to it halfway through the window?

Randy's most damaging weakness is his tendency to make awful appointments. If this mess is Hollis's doing, then he just looks like another poor appointment to me.

This club is going to remain moribund and dysfunctional until the clueless chairman finds a buyer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 02, 2016, 08:47:09 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 02, 2016, 05:00:38 AM
Thing is, if we've decided to keep our powder dry for the January window because we're 10 points behind and couldn't attract our top choices then I'm fine with this - but ONLY if Remi Garde has understood and agreed to this policy. 

However, if the Club has pulled the rug from under him and changed strategy WITHOUT Remi's understanding and agreement then I think he'll walk.  In fact taking off my Villa supporters hat, I think he should walk.

Problem is, you could read Garde's comments a number of ways.  And you could read his body language a number of ways. Pissed off yes, but pissed off at what, the general situation? the players who told him they'd come? the players agents who upped the wage demands at the last minute? the Club for not backing him? some of the above? or all of the above?

It easy (too fucking easy with this mob) to immediately believe its incompetence on behalf of the transfer committee and the Board - and McGrath knows they've been culpable in the past.  But let's cool down and not jump to too many conclusions until we've heard another press conference from RG.   

It might be as simple as us making offers for the players he really wanted and none of the fuckers wanted to sign.  So we didn't want to throw money at the 2nd/3rd string options.  You see, I can totally understand that.

Anyway, that's my straw I'm clutching at because if we lost Garde over this - well that just cannot be allowed to happen.  I do know one thing though, we need him more than he needs us right now.



Spot on, not sure this is the right crowd though.

I think it's very easy to see no signings and just assume that the board have refused to spend money, and once a handful of people say as much it becomes fact without there being any evidence to support it.  I personally believe that Garde decided to prioritise Doumbia and Kalinic and his disappointment is that neither of those came off and then he didn't have time to find replacements.  I just don't hear the hatred of the board that so many have picked up in his press conference, but then I wasn't listening to it waiting for that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on February 02, 2016, 08:50:53 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 02, 2016, 05:00:38 AM
Thing is, if we've decided to keep our powder dry for the January window because we're 10 points behind and couldn't attract our top choices then I'm fine with this - but ONLY if Remi Garde has understood and agreed to this policy. 

However, if the Club has pulled the rug from under him and changed strategy WITHOUT Remi's understanding and agreement then I think he'll walk.  In fact taking off my Villa supporters hat, I think he should walk.

Problem is, you could read Garde's comments a number of ways.  And you could read his body language a number of ways. Pissed off yes, but pissed off at what, the general situation? the players who told him they'd come? the players agents who upped the wage demands at the last minute? the Club for not backing him? some of the above? or all of the above?

It easy (too fucking easy with this mob) to immediately believe its incompetence on behalf of the transfer committee and the Board - and McGrath knows they've been culpable in the past.  But let's cool down and not jump to too many conclusions until we've heard another press conference from RG.   

It might be as simple as us making offers for the players he really wanted and none of the fuckers wanted to sign.  So we didn't want to throw money at the 2nd/3rd string options.  You see, I can totally understand that.

Anyway, that's my straw I'm clutching at because if we lost Garde over this - well that just cannot be allowed to happen.  I do know one thing though, we need him more than he needs us right now.

I had almost the exact same view, until I read the Telegraph story by John Percy. It clearly wasn't just an interpretation of Garde's quotes like the other pieces may have been. He'd clearly been backgrounded on the specifics of some deals, and how they'd collapsed.

The straw I'm still clinging to is that Garde is giving notice that the summer window is their last chance to back him. I think Garde is a man of particular integrity and wants to finish the job of trying to rescue the club this season because someone has to and it's the right thing to do.

The players have to back him with a gutsy performance against West Ham. The problem is that when i think of who those players might be, i struggle. Gana, Lescott, Okore... Lyden?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on February 02, 2016, 08:51:57 AM
Quite right, Paulie. It's not spending money that has fucked us. It's spending money badly on the wrong people.

Now we have a manager who appears to have a brain, perhaps we should trust in his judgement and let him bring in who he thinks might help us at least try to get out of this mess.

Be under no illusions, the same idiocy that has sent us crashing out of the Premier League is the same idiocy that will see us struggle in the Championship. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 02, 2016, 08:52:50 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 02, 2016, 05:00:38 AM
Thing is, if we've decided to keep our powder dry for the January window because we're 10 points behind and couldn't attract our top choices then I'm fine with this - but ONLY if Remi Garde has understood and agreed to this policy. 

However, if the Club has pulled the rug from under him and changed strategy WITHOUT Remi's understanding and agreement then I think he'll walk.  In fact taking off my Villa supporters hat, I think he should walk.

Problem is, you could read Garde's comments a number of ways.  And you could read his body language a number of ways. Pissed off yes, but pissed off at what, the general situation? the players who told him they'd come? the players agents who upped the wage demands at the last minute? the Club for not backing him? some of the above? or all of the above?

It easy (too fucking easy with this mob) to immediately believe its incompetence on behalf of the transfer committee and the Board - and McGrath knows they've been culpable in the past.  But let's cool down and not jump to too many conclusions until we've heard another press conference from RG.   

It might be as simple as us making offers for the players he really wanted and none of the fuckers wanted to sign.  So we didn't want to throw money at the 2nd/3rd string options.  You see, I can totally understand that.

Anyway, that's my straw I'm clutching at because if we lost Garde over this - well that just cannot be allowed to happen.  I do know one thing though, we need him more than he needs us right now.

Great post.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: NeilH on February 02, 2016, 08:54:31 AM
Given that Fox had travelled over to the US to talk transfer targets with Lerner, clearly something changed from that moment to the inactivity of last night. My guess is that following our failure to have a new managerial bounce, coupled with the inability to shift the likes of N’Zogbia, Hollis simply refuse to sanction spending a single penny and opted to hunker down until August.
In my mind it is testament to those running the club that they would perceive a lack of managerial bounce to be squarely Garde’s fault and to punish him accordingly. Like Lambert before him, they want the manager to take all the flak while they sit high up in the Trinity Rd.
In their eyes, it’s ok for the club to wave a white flag, but they command and expect the loyalty of us fans. It’s an absolute sh*t storm and it’s raining down on us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2016, 08:54:58 AM
I don't think anyone can say whether Hollis is wrong or right.
That's because the bloke speaks in riddles and 'corporate speak' bollocks.

If he thinks he knows what the problems are or where they stem from and what the direction is, then just come out and fucking say it.

At the moment, the ambiguous shit he comes out with, makes him look as big a twat as his boss.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TonyD on February 02, 2016, 09:04:43 AM
We needed a striker and didn't get one.   Either way either Garde or the board dropped the ball.  They should have had many options to aim at so they ended up with at least one striker.  The fact we ended up with no striker speaks volumes.    You need go after several options and didn't hear us linked to diddly.  With this shower you will never know which dumbo fell asleep at the wheel.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 02, 2016, 09:18:04 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2016, 08:43:13 AM
Hollis is right, if the question is about the troubles of the last five years, then the answer is not just to spend money.

If the question is how to get out of this mess right now, though, then he's wrong, the answer is to spend money - to strengthen the squad. Anyone who has watched us this season can see what a difference options up front would make.

There's no guarantee that spending money would save us, but not spending any at all guarantees we will go down.

Still, how would you expect someone who is not a football man to understand that? Why would you feel you have to persuade someone like that to take the job and then drop them in to it halfway through the window?

Randy's most damaging weakness is his tendency to make awful appointments. If this mess is Hollis's doing, then he just looks like another poor appointment to me.

This club is going to remain moribund and dysfunctional until the clueless chairman finds a buyer.

Bang on the money as usual.  Especially this bit.

" Anyone who has watched us this season can see what a difference options up front would make."  If that was all we'd done I'd have been OK with it.  That's the one spot that could have genuinely made a difference, both from a scoring goals point of view, but also giving the opposition something to worry about so they can't just pile forward with no regard to anything going the other way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on February 02, 2016, 09:39:14 AM
How do transfers work at Villa now. Does the manager identify who he wants or just what he wants?
Is Remi disappointed because he didn't get Doumbia or because he didn't get a striker?
Fox said previously that they would all agree on which players they wanted, so it looks as though we agreed on the player but baulked at spending the money, which given our position is pointless.
This could continue for ever, manager identifies a need, list of available options are produced, all agree on a player, negotiations start, club wont pay the money required, we don't sign anyone - repeat.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 02, 2016, 09:42:00 AM
cdward, transfers don't happen at Villa now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 02, 2016, 09:43:35 AM
I like Garde, he has a dignified way about him and he has really been dumped on - as we all have.

BUT

before I get too teary eyed about him:

1. He is getting paid a lot of money
2. I had a quick look through his results which were:

Played 15 (PL Played 12 Won 1)
Won 2
Drawn 7
Lost 6
For 11
Against 23

I would like him to stay bur would I be fussed if he left?

No
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: boboonthecorner on February 02, 2016, 09:47:51 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 02, 2016, 09:43:35 AM
I like Garde, he has a dignified way about him and he has really been dumped on - as we all have.

BUT

before I get too teary eyed about him:

1. He is getting paid a lot of money
2. I had a quick look through his results which were:

Played 15 (PL Played 12 Won 1)
Won 2
Drawn 7
Lost 6
For 11
Against 23

I would like him to stay bur would I be fussed if he left?

No


I don't think the issue is that he is leaving surely its why? Its been proven the board are inept....Ive had enough, nothing to do with the league position but give my hard earned to those pricks running the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on February 02, 2016, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: boboonthecorner on February 02, 2016, 09:47:51 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 02, 2016, 09:43:35 AM
I like Garde, he has a dignified way about him and he has really been dumped on - as we all have.

BUT

before I get too teary eyed about him:

1. He is getting paid a lot of money
2. I had a quick look through his results which were:

Played 15 (PL Played 12 Won 1)
Won 2
Drawn 7
Lost 6
For 11
Against 23

I would like him to stay bur would I be fussed if he left?

No


I don't think the issues are that he is leaving surely its why? Its been proven the board are inept....Ive had enough, nothing to do with the league position but give my hard earned to those pricks running the club.

I will go to the rest of this seasons games because I already have my season ticket but after that I am not giving any more money to the club until Lerner, Fox and Hollis have left

really torn because I like Garde and think he is a good long term option but the only way to make a difference is to withhold my money
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 02, 2016, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 02, 2016, 09:43:35 AM
I like Garde, he has a dignified way about him and he has really been dumped on - as we all have.

BUT

before I get too teary eyed about him:

1. He is getting paid a lot of money
2. I had a quick look through his results which were:

Played 15 (PL Played 12 Won 1)
Won 2
Drawn 7
Lost 6
For 11
Against 23

I would like him to stay bur would I be fussed if he left?

No

Nobody knows whether Garde is the right man or not. All we know for sure is that he's doing slightly better than Sherwood did, which is hardly a ringing endorsement. However, It's not his job to sit in front of the media and explain why the fucking idiots who run the club (owner, CEO, Chairman) have surrendered and gone into hiding. What was that about the Marine spirit, Krulak? how about the board demonstrating some of that? wankers.

I feel really sorry for Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 02, 2016, 10:15:16 AM
Krulak was right, it needs Marine spirit, the problem we have Holis is cutting back so we only bought Dads Army and a dozen brooms.

"Were doomed I tell you doomed" says Captain Richards
"Dont Panic Captain Richards" says Corporal Holis
"Its the bloody Frenchies they dont like it up em"says Captain Richards
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2016, 10:19:44 AM
I don't think he'll walk.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 02, 2016, 10:24:29 AM
Quote from: Ads on February 02, 2016, 10:19:44 AM
I don't think he'll walk.

I think you're right. He walked from his last job so I don't think he'd want to get the reputation of a quitter. I think he'll definitely see out the season whatever happens, though I still wouldn't hold it against him if he walked right now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 02, 2016, 10:24:45 AM
Quote from: Ads on February 02, 2016, 10:19:44 AM
I don't think he'll walk.

He might sprint though!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: NeilH on February 02, 2016, 10:28:28 AM
I doubt very much he will walk, but how in gods name he is going to motivate himself, let alone the players after this, heaven knows.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 02, 2016, 10:35:55 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 02, 2016, 10:24:29 AM
Quote from: Ads on February 02, 2016, 10:19:44 AM
I don't think he'll walk.

I think you're right. He walked from his last job so I don't think he'd want to get the reputation of a quitter. I think he'll definitely see out the season whatever happens, though I still wouldn't hold it against him if he walked right now.

He didn't quit.  He saw out his 3 year contract and didn't renew citing personal and family reasons.

BBC article is one of many with the same story (http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/27391722)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 02, 2016, 11:26:26 AM
Quote from: Ads on February 02, 2016, 10:19:44 AM
I don't think he'll walk.

I don't think he will walk either, but he might boogie.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on February 02, 2016, 11:35:33 AM
I suspect he will walk on May 16th because he will not get the assurances he needs. Clearly a man of principal so he won't quit mid season but walking after the last game of the season would be a smart move in the circumstances he finds himself in.

A shame for the club because I am a big fan of Garde - I think he has shown true class which we have lacked in many a year. Period.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 02, 2016, 09:43:35 AM
I like Garde, he has a dignified way about him and he has really been dumped on - as we all have.

BUT

before I get too teary eyed about him:

1. He is getting paid a lot of money
2. I had a quick look through his results which were:

Played 15 (PL Played 12 Won 1)
Won 2
Drawn 7
Lost 6
For 11
Against 23

I would like him to stay bur would I be fussed if he left?

No


You'll be fussed when we cannot attract any half decent managers because we are becoming well known as a problem club ran by nut jobs and bean counters who can't count.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 11:58:18 AM
He's said in his own words that he thought the changes he wanted to implement would be backed with a couple of transfers. So there's no doubt that he did not agree to hang out the white flag and do fuck all for the next 5 months. You're just kidding yourself if you think otherwise. The trust between him and the board will have taken a massive knock and the trust between the board and fans is at zero.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 02, 2016, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 02, 2016, 09:43:35 AM
I like Garde, he has a dignified way about him and he has really been dumped on - as we all have.

BUT

before I get too teary eyed about him:

1. He is getting paid a lot of money
2. I had a quick look through his results which were:

Played 15 (PL Played 12 Won 1)
Won 2
Drawn 7
Lost 6
For 11
Against 23

I would like him to stay bur would I be fussed if he left?

No


You'll be fussed when we cannot attract any half decent managers because we are becoming well known as a problem club ran by nut jobs and bean counters who can't count.

I agree with that, you could argue that Garde isn't a half decent manager based on the impact he has had.

I think he has been stitched up with no backing but the way we are run is going deter the vast majority of managers, we are in it big time and there is no guarantee that he will get backed in the summer which is a big worry
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 12:08:39 PM
I think the board are blind enough to think that the summer requires a couple of players and then rely on the fact we should be better than most of the rest of the teams anyway and spend next to nothing.

Planet Earth calling Villa Park, planet Earth calling Villa Park.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: auntiesledd on February 02, 2016, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on February 02, 2016, 10:24:45 AM
Quote from: Ads on February 02, 2016, 10:19:44 AM
I don't think he'll walk.

He might sprint though!


Nah, he'll moonwalk away filled with joie de vivre, in a southerly direction - whilst tipping his beret as he passes The Holte'.

 ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 02, 2016, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 02, 2016, 09:43:35 AM
I like Garde, he has a dignified way about him and he has really been dumped on - as we all have.

BUT

before I get too teary eyed about him:

1. He is getting paid a lot of money
2. I had a quick look through his results which were:

Played 15 (PL Played 12 Won 1)
Won 2
Drawn 7
Lost 6
For 11
Against 23

I would like him to stay bur would I be fussed if he left?

No


You'll be fussed when we cannot attract any half decent managers because we are becoming well known as a problem club ran by nut jobs and bean counters who can't count.

I agree with that, you could argue that Garde isn't a half decent manager based on the impact he has had.

I think he has been stitched up with no backing but the way we are run is going deter the vast majority of managers, we are in it big time and there is no guarantee that he will get backed in the summer which is a big worry

If Garde walks we will be interviewing gobshites of the ilk of the strangler Pearson and lower league managers with the excuse that they have the knowledge to get us out of their and know the league inside out etc . Limited chancers like Lambert at best who have ridden the crest of a wave but will freeze when they're hit by the juggernaut of problems we have. We need him to stay, he knows full well what cancers we have at the club, even more now he's been fucked over by the bean counters.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 02, 2016, 12:18:32 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 11:58:18 AM
He's said in his own words that he thought the changes he wanted to implement would be backed with a couple of transfers. So there's no doubt that he did not agree to hang out the white flag and do fuck all for the next 5 months. You're just kidding yourself if you think otherwise. The trust between him and the board will have taken a massive knock and the trust between the board and fans is at zero.

But that's only true if we hung out the white flag and decided to do nothing for the next 5 months.  He also said, in his own words, that he and club had been working hard to get transfers in so there's nothing 'in his own words' which reinforces the idea that the board decided to give up.  I'm not saying i'm not upset that we didn't get transfers, I just don't like selective quoting.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 02, 2016, 12:22:37 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 02, 2016, 12:18:32 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 11:58:18 AM
He's said in his own words that he thought the changes he wanted to implement would be backed with a couple of transfers. So there's no doubt that he did not agree to hang out the white flag and do fuck all for the next 5 months. You're just kidding yourself if you think otherwise. The trust between him and the board will have taken a massive knock and the trust between the board and fans is at zero.

But that's only true if we hung out the white flag and decided to do nothing for the next 5 months.  He also said, in his own words, that he and club had been working hard to get transfers in so there's nothing 'in his own words' which reinforces the idea that the board decided to give up.  I'm not saying i'm not upset that we didn't get transfers, I just don't like selective quoting.

Depends if you believe that though. There was a tweet from a Telegraph journalist last night who claimed Villa's failure to do any business was down to lack of funds, and Pat Murphy on Radio 5 claimed that we missed out on Khazri because we wouldn't pay the fee.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: auntiesledd on February 02, 2016, 12:24:57 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 12:13:32 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 02, 2016, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 02, 2016, 09:43:35 AM
I like Garde, he has a dignified way about him and he has really been dumped on - as we all have.

BUT

before I get too teary eyed about him:

1. He is getting paid a lot of money
2. I had a quick look through his results which were:

Played 15 (PL Played 12 Won 1)
Won 2
Drawn 7
Lost 6
For 11
Against 23

I would like him to stay bur would I be fussed if he left?

No


You'll be fussed when we cannot attract any half decent managers because we are becoming well known as a problem club ran by nut jobs and bean counters who can't count.

I agree with that, you could argue that Garde isn't a half decent manager based on the impact he has had.

I think he has been stitched up with no backing but the way we are run is going deter the vast majority of managers, we are in it big time and there is no guarantee that he will get backed in the summer which is a big worry

If Garde walks we will be interviewing gobshites of the ilk of the strangler Pearson and lower league managers with the excuse that they have the knowledge to get us out of their and know the league inside out etc . Limited chancers like Lambert at best who have ridden the crest of a wave but will freeze when they're hit by the juggernaut of problems we have. We need him to stay, he knows full well what cancers we have at the club, even more now he's been fucked over by the bean counters.

You might well be right about the alternatives, but the reason(s) you have given for Garde to stay are some of the very reasons that he'll walk between now & the end of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 12:25:37 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 02, 2016, 12:18:32 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 11:58:18 AM
He's said in his own words that he thought the changes he wanted to implement would be backed with a couple of transfers. So there's no doubt that he did not agree to hang out the white flag and do fuck all for the next 5 months. You're just kidding yourself if you think otherwise. The trust between him and the board will have taken a massive knock and the trust between the board and fans is at zero.

But that's only true if we hung out the white flag and decided to do nothing for the next 5 months.  He also said, in his own words, that he and club had been working hard to get transfers in so there's nothing 'in his own words' which reinforces the idea that the board decided to give up.  I'm not saying i'm not upset that we didn't get transfers, I just don't like selective quoting.

They wouldn't fund the transfers. I can go to a car showroom and haggle all day with them over the price but If i'm not prepared to pay the going rate it's all pointless.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 12:27:08 PM
Quote from: auntiesledd on February 02, 2016, 12:24:57 PM


You might well be right about the alternatives, but the reason you have given for Garde to stay are some of the very reasons that he'll walk between now & the end of the season.

They are, I'm just hoping there's some strange part of Remi that wants to take on a challenge like this. I don't think it's likely, he'll probably leave in May, I'm just hoping otherwise, he's won me over and I thought he could take us places.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nirog72 on February 02, 2016, 12:27:27 PM
I don't think any of us know what he was or wasn't promised, who we tried to get (other than the obvious ones) and why we didn't succeed. But...

If the senior management of the club think progression and change (positive) will come without doing their bit they are deluded and I feel very sorry for Garde. The notion that the Manager and players need to fix it only works if everything else is working well, including player recruitment at an acceptable level.

If he walks, which I personally hope he doesn't we will not be short of interested managerial candidates because at worst, if things don't work, you are as handsomely rewarded as you would be if they do. If things do work you are the messiah. What's not to like?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on February 02, 2016, 12:30:48 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 12:25:37 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 02, 2016, 12:18:32 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 11:58:18 AM
He's said in his own words that he thought the changes he wanted to implement would be backed with a couple of transfers. So there's no doubt that he did not agree to hang out the white flag and do fuck all for the next 5 months. You're just kidding yourself if you think otherwise. The trust between him and the board will have taken a massive knock and the trust between the board and fans is at zero.

But that's only true if we hung out the white flag and decided to do nothing for the next 5 months.  He also said, in his own words, that he and club had been working hard to get transfers in so there's nothing 'in his own words' which reinforces the idea that the board decided to give up.  I'm not saying i'm not upset that we didn't get transfers, I just don't like selective quoting.

They wouldn't fund the transfers. I can go to a car showroom and haggle all day with them over the price but If i'm not prepared to pay the going rate it's all pointless.

It's a bit of both. Kalinic they funded and were denied by the work permit and he was going to cost close to 5m. Khazri they didn't and he ended up going to Sunderland for 8m. Doumbia they were willing to pay the loan fee, he chose Newcastle. Debuchy it sounds like they weren't willing to pay the loan fee being asked for a RB. Combination of him being let down by the board, and our league position.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on February 02, 2016, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 02, 2016, 12:18:32 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 11:58:18 AM
He's said in his own words that he thought the changes he wanted to implement would be backed with a couple of transfers. So there's no doubt that he did not agree to hang out the white flag and do fuck all for the next 5 months. You're just kidding yourself if you think otherwise. The trust between him and the board will have taken a massive knock and the trust between the board and fans is at zero.

But that's only true if we hung out the white flag and decided to do nothing for the next 5 months.  He also said, in his own words, that he and club had been working hard to get transfers in so there's nothing 'in his own words' which reinforces the idea that the board decided to give up.  I'm not saying i'm not upset that we didn't get transfers, I just don't like selective quoting.

It does sound as if Remi was surprised by the extent to which we held back on spending though, 'maybe it wasn't as clear when I signed'.

I don't think he'll walk mid-season, but I wouldn't be surprised if things go the same way as under our previous 3 managers They all took restrictions on the chin, tried to work under them, until it was obvious that they couldn't turn things around and their own reputations were suffering.

They then started to give clues in interviews to let it be known their hands were tied. In Sherwoods case more like 'not my fault guv' than clues. But however subtly the point gets made once things reach that stage it's just a matter of time. Last nights interview felt like the start of that process.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Boz on February 02, 2016, 12:43:36 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 02, 2016, 12:22:37 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 02, 2016, 12:18:32 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 11:58:18 AM
He's said in his own words that he thought the changes he wanted to implement would be backed with a couple of transfers. So there's no doubt that he did not agree to hang out the white flag and do fuck all for the next 5 months. You're just kidding yourself if you think otherwise. The trust between him and the board will have taken a massive knock and the trust between the board and fans is at zero.

But that's only true if we hung out the white flag and decided to do nothing for the next 5 months.  He also said, in his own words, that he and club had been working hard to get transfers in so there's nothing 'in his own words' which reinforces the idea that the board decided to give up.  I'm not saying i'm not upset that we didn't get transfers, I just don't like selective quoting.

Depends if you believe that though. There was a tweet from a Telegraph journalist last night who claimed Villa's failure to do any business was down to lack of funds, and Pat Murphy on Radio 5 claimed that we missed out on Khazri because we wouldn't pay the fee.

Just another opportunity for Murphy to have a dig at Villa
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: auntiesledd on February 02, 2016, 12:50:40 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 12:27:08 PM
Quote from: auntiesledd on February 02, 2016, 12:24:57 PM


You might well be right about the alternatives, but the reason you have given for Garde to stay are some of the very reasons that he'll walk between now & the end of the season.

They are, I'm just hoping there's some strange part of Remi that wants to take on a challenge like this. I don't think it's likely, he'll probably leave in May, I'm just hoping otherwise, he's won me over and I thought he could take us places.

I'd like him to stay too, but I fear the worst now. Let's face it - he'd have to be a borderline mentalist to carry on after witnessing the mangled wreck that Lerner & Co have turned this wonderful football club into. Still, we can but hope.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: postal on February 02, 2016, 01:14:28 PM
If he goes I guess it will be in the summer and I guess no one wouldnt blame him.

I doubt he will go before then as he seems to have integrity and thats something you can't buy, even if the board were to open the purse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
I read yesterday that when Garde took over we were 4 points from safety.
Now it's 10.

Bearing in mind the opposition in the games we have played under him, that is pretty damn shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 02, 2016, 01:37:08 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 02, 2016, 12:22:37 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 02, 2016, 12:18:32 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 11:58:18 AM
He's said in his own words that he thought the changes he wanted to implement would be backed with a couple of transfers. So there's no doubt that he did not agree to hang out the white flag and do fuck all for the next 5 months. You're just kidding yourself if you think otherwise. The trust between him and the board will have taken a massive knock and the trust between the board and fans is at zero.

But that's only true if we hung out the white flag and decided to do nothing for the next 5 months.  He also said, in his own words, that he and club had been working hard to get transfers in so there's nothing 'in his own words' which reinforces the idea that the board decided to give up.  I'm not saying i'm not upset that we didn't get transfers, I just don't like selective quoting.

Depends if you believe that though. There was a tweet from a Telegraph journalist last night who claimed Villa's failure to do any business was down to lack of funds, and Pat Murphy on Radio 5 claimed that we missed out on Khazri because we wouldn't pay the fee.

I guess that depends on if you believe Pat Murphy and John Percy are being fed details like that or not.  That's the point, it's easy to think the board are useless, see no signings and assume it was entirely because the board are useless when in truth there are probably a combination of factors.


Quote from: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 12:25:37 PM
They wouldn't fund the transfers. I can go to a car showroom and haggle all day with them over the price but If i'm not prepared to pay the going rate it's all pointless.


That's pure speculation, we know that they agreed to fund Kalinic but we don't know the reasons why any of the others didn't work out.  Khazri we might have baulked at the cost or we might have had problems with something that the player or club wanted as part of the signing.


Django - you may be right about the restrictions but I think the last 3 managers have all had enough funds to do much better than they did, they all either spent it terribly or had no idea what to do with the players once they got them.  That's my underlying issue with blaming the board, the common criticism is that players haven't been replaced but I personally think that is bullshit.  Milner was replaced with Ireland, Young was replaced with Nzogbia, Delph was replaced with Gueye, Benteke was replaced with Gestede (and the 'change' paid for Ayew to replace Weimann as well as Veretout and Traore).  The issue is that the replacements haven't been good enough but only really Gestede for Benteke was clearly a downgrade.  The thing is it's very easy to apply hindsight and blame the board for not providing funds instead of the manager spending the money badly, and the whole thing is fueled by an obsession with net spend, as if it's absolutely impossible to stay still without spending a fortune every window, that shouldn't be required and if over the next 2 years the board work out how to progress without that need to constantly throw more money in then they'll have done their job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 02, 2016, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: Boz on February 02, 2016, 12:43:36 PM

Just another opportunity for Murphy to have a dig at Villa

I never get that with Murphy, I remember when he criticised Lerner for being so secretive and refusing to give any interviews people were tearing into him on here, he was right though. I've always thought he has a great deal of respect for Aston Villa Football Club but not the clowns in charge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 02, 2016, 01:45:21 PM
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That's the point, it's easy to think the board are useless, see no signings and assume it was entirely because the board are useless when in truth there are probably a combination of factors.

What other factors could there be? I can't see a single other factor, let alone a combination of factors. Nobody wanted to come to us in January because we have been so piss-poorly run over the last few years that by this transfer window we were already dead an buried. I'd love to blame O'Neill, lambert, Sherwood, McLeish but they didn't appoint themselves to a job which they were clearly not up to.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on February 02, 2016, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on February 02, 2016, 11:26:26 AM
Quote from: Ads on February 02, 2016, 10:19:44 AM
I don't think he'll walk.

I don't think he will walk either, but he might boogie.

I guess that would be good news for the board because then we'd have something else to blame it on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bertlambshank on February 02, 2016, 01:50:34 PM
The board should know the going rate for players.They clearly don't.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: avfcpg on February 02, 2016, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: not3bad on February 02, 2016, 01:50:28 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on February 02, 2016, 11:26:26 AM
Quote from: Ads on February 02, 2016, 10:19:44 AM
I don't think he'll walk.

I don't think he will walk either, but he might boogie.

I guess that would be good news for the board because then we'd have something else to blame it on.

Genius !!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AV82EC on February 02, 2016, 01:57:37 PM
Is that the song we need:

Don't blame it on the Sherwood
Don't blame it on the Lambert
Don't blame it on Remi
Blame it on the Lerner!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 02, 2016, 02:00:52 PM
Was it a £2.5m loan fee for Bebuchy for 4 months? Fuck that, can't blame them. The GK was a work permit issue, and the others are just speculation. I honestly don't think most of these would have made a great difference anyway. Maybe the GK slightly. It really depends what's been agreed between Garde and the board as to his position at the moment but I'm not really sure that the reaction is quite justified to our window. That said, I still say 'sack the board' of course but that's a build up of the last 5 years, not one window where our hands are pretty tied anyway.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on February 02, 2016, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on February 02, 2016, 01:57:37 PM
Is that the song we need:

Don't blame it on the Sherwood
Don't blame it on the Lambert
Don't blame it on Remi
Blame it on the Lerner!

Come on, you can add the rest of the managers to that song
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 02, 2016, 02:23:02 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on February 02, 2016, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: Boz on February 02, 2016, 12:43:36 PM

Just another opportunity for Murphy to have a dig at Villa

I never get that with Murphy, I remember when he criticised Lerner for being so secretive and refusing to give any interviews people were tearing into him on here, he was right though. I've always thought he has a great deal of respect for Aston Villa Football Club but not the clowns in charge.

I completely agree. He always comes across as well informed and honest, with a critical eye. He would rather report on us play in the PL than in the Championship
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 02, 2016, 02:32:34 PM
I'd like to think someone would have had an inkling as to whether we'd need or manage to obtain the work permit too - other clubs seem to have no problems on this front for players of a similar stature, but again I think our lack of "nous" at admin level of how it all works showed itself up here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2016, 02:36:14 PM
Quote from: bertlambshank on February 02, 2016, 01:50:34 PM
The board should know the going rate for players.They clearly don't.

They don't even appear to understand the work permit rules.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 02, 2016, 02:37:49 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on February 02, 2016, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: Boz on February 02, 2016, 12:43:36 PM

Just another opportunity for Murphy to have a dig at Villa

I never get that with Murphy, I remember when he criticised Lerner for being so secretive and refusing to give any interviews people were tearing into him on here, he was right though. I've always thought he has a great deal of respect for Aston Villa Football Club but not the clowns in charge.

Agree with that, whenever I have heard Murphy he is speaking the truth.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Deano's Mullet on February 02, 2016, 02:38:18 PM
I remember Pat Murphy during as far back as the BFR and Little days - he was a big advocate of AVFC. I think he simply calls it as he sees it and lets face it its nothing any of us aren't saying ourselves the last 3-4 years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on February 02, 2016, 04:16:54 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on February 02, 2016, 02:32:34 PM
I'd like to think someone would have had an inkling as to whether we'd need or manage to obtain the work permit too - other clubs seem to have no problems on this front for players of a similar stature, but again I think our lack of "nous" at admin level of how it all works showed itself up here.

It seems like the recent change of rules got them.It's an unfair system

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/alexandre-pato-chelsea-case-makes-a-lame-duck-of-greg-dyke-s-quality-controls-for-overseas-players-a6847736.html

Pato gets one because  of his salary and club he played for despite basically being shit for 3 years
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on February 02, 2016, 05:04:32 PM
I  assume the managerial post at Villa is just about as toxic a job as there is in football.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on February 02, 2016, 05:07:33 PM
Quote from: passport1 on February 02, 2016, 05:04:32 PM
I  assume the managerial post at Villa is just about as toxic a job as there is in football.
Toxic Wankers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on February 02, 2016, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 02, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
I read yesterday that when Garde took over we were 4 points from safety.
Now it's 10.

Bearing in mind the opposition in the games we have played under him, that is pretty damn shit.

Says it all really.  Joke appointment who has not improved us.

I had the talksport  on this morning and Neil Warnock was on talking about us.  He spoke of much sense about what we're doing wrong.  That's the sort of manager we need to sort this mess out in the Summer.  Not a passionless chancer like Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on February 02, 2016, 05:25:14 PM
Pat Murphy saw through Lerner long before most did.
The problems we have are deep rooted and are at Executive level and above.
A chief executive who willy nilly gave 5 year contracts out and a Chairman who hasn't the slightest interest or know how about Premier League football, added to a Chairman who has washed his hands of the situation.
We are indeed fucked..
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 02, 2016, 05:26:58 PM
Quote from: LTA on February 02, 2016, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 02, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
I read yesterday that when Garde took over we were 4 points from safety.
Now it's 10.

Bearing in mind the opposition in the games we have played under him, that is pretty damn shit.

Says it all really.  Joke appointment who has not improved us.

I had the talksport  on this morning and Neil Warnock was on talking about us.  He spoke of much sense about what we're doing wrong.  That's the sort of manager we need to sort this mess out in the Summer.  Not a passionless chancer like Garde.

The same Neil Warnock who's past his sell by date and now having to be a radio pundit to earn a living?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BC Villain on February 02, 2016, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: LTA on February 02, 2016, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 02, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
I read yesterday that when Garde took over we were 4 points from safety.
Now it's 10.

Bearing in mind the opposition in the games we have played under him, that is pretty damn shit.

Says it all really.  Joke appointment who has not improved us.

I had the talksport  on this morning and Neil Warnock was on talking about us.  He spoke of much sense about what we're doing wrong.  That's the sort of manager we need to sort this mess out in the Summer.  Not a passionless chancer like Garde.

Please tell me your not being serious?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu on February 02, 2016, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: LTA on February 02, 2016, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 02, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
I read yesterday that when Garde took over we were 4 points from safety.
Now it's 10.

Bearing in mind the opposition in the games we have played under him, that is pretty damn shit.

Says it all really.  Joke appointment who has not improved us.

I had the talksport  on this morning and Neil Warnock was on talking about us.  He spoke of much sense about what we're doing wrong.  That's the sort of manager we need to sort this mess out in the Summer.  Not a passionless chancer like Garde.

Ahahahahaha! You're on the wind up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on February 02, 2016, 05:33:04 PM
If Garde walks in the summer (which I have felt he would since Wycombe), our board would probably think Warnock is just the man for the job. Be afraid,be very afraid.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 02, 2016, 05:34:56 PM
Quote from: Stu on February 02, 2016, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: LTA on February 02, 2016, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 02, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
I read yesterday that when Garde took over we were 4 points from safety.
Now it's 10.

Bearing in mind the opposition in the games we have played under him, that is pretty damn shit.

Says it all really.  Joke appointment who has not improved us.

I had the talksport  on this morning and Neil Warnock was on talking about us.  He spoke of much sense about what we're doing wrong.  That's the sort of manager we need to sort this mess out in the Summer.  Not a passionless chancer like Garde.

Ahahahahaha! You're on the wind up.
Funny how different people see things differently.  I was in the car, so for a laugh also thought I'd listen in and caught the Brazil, Hartson, Warnock bit too, and can;t beleive the utter gash that they came out with.  "Remi wrong man" "Need Cahmpionship players" "Toughest league in the world to get out of" they never used the words, but alluded to needing a prper football man with proper footballers, not these foreign fancy dans.
So Middlesbrough anyone.............
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BC Villain on February 02, 2016, 05:43:33 PM
I'd sooner slice my bollocks off with a carving knife than have Warnock anywhere near Villa Park.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on February 02, 2016, 05:49:17 PM
They'd have a better chance of finding the net than most of our forwards.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyfouroaks on February 02, 2016, 05:52:47 PM
Garde may have been the right man when we were mid table with money to spend. He is not the man for the rough and tumble of a Championship campaign.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on February 02, 2016, 05:54:33 PM
Gary, we don't know that.  He just might be the very man.  Personally I think he is but, I respect your opinion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 02, 2016, 06:00:35 PM
You don't need to clog your way out of Division 2 anymore.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on February 02, 2016, 06:02:35 PM
See, I think that's the new 'Peter Crouch can't play with the ball on the deck'.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 02, 2016, 06:04:47 PM
You need to defend properly as a starter for ten.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: clash city rocker on February 02, 2016, 06:06:05 PM
I think garde could have set us up for some rewarding seasons if he had been brought in at the right time. I fortunately for him he couldn't have picked a worse time. I do think he'll leave in the summer and we will probably get someone of the same ilk as warnock.  We will then assemble a team the same way we would have done in the 1960's , with the same tactics and thought processes..The championship is tough to get out of but it doesn't mean you have to sacrifice skillful football combined with modern ideas to gain promotion. Football has moved on. Talks port and Warnock haven't. ..bit like our board.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 02, 2016, 06:07:28 PM
We'll have to get some trophies made, as apparently the Villa Park fixtures will be like a cup final for our opponents
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu on February 02, 2016, 06:07:37 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on February 02, 2016, 06:00:35 PM
You don't need to clog your way out of Division 2 anymore.

Agree. Look at Middlesbrough, obvious example, but Bournemouth were champs last season and they play good stuff. Watching Derby the other night, they looked to get the ball on the deck and showed patience in the build up. Going for a dinosaur like Warnock would be laughable, so I expect him to be named manager in June.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2016, 06:21:59 PM
Quote from: BC Villain on February 02, 2016, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: LTA on February 02, 2016, 05:24:38 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 02, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
I read yesterday that when Garde took over we were 4 points from safety.
Now it's 10.

Bearing in mind the opposition in the games we have played under him, that is pretty damn shit.

Says it all really.  Joke appointment who has not improved us.

I had the talksport  on this morning and Neil Warnock was on talking about us.  He spoke of much sense about what we're doing wrong.  That's the sort of manager we need to sort this mess out in the Summer.  Not a passionless chancer like Garde.

Please tell me your not being serious?

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/24254485.jpg)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on February 02, 2016, 06:22:22 PM
A few things on the warnock/clogging point. As cheltenhamlion says, the route out of the championship is just as likely to be attacking expansive football these days (Bournemouth). There is no evidence garde is lacking in bottle other than vaguely racist preconceptions based on the fact that he's a cerebral Frenchman. (If anything he has appeared to do more to stand up against the high farce going on behind the scenes than any manager since MON.) Notwithstanding all the above he's known as an arch pragmatist. If it was necessary to play anti football to get promoted he probably would.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 02, 2016, 06:27:47 PM
I don't disagree with that but I can't see him sticking around
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldtimernow on February 02, 2016, 07:26:18 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on February 02, 2016, 05:54:33 PM
Gary, we don't know that.  He just might be the very man.  Personally I think he is but, I respect your opinion.
splutters over tea


oops sorry Dave meant the early quote about the balls finding the back of the net
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve kirk on February 02, 2016, 07:31:09 PM
I like Remi and I want him to stay but the clowns at the top are doing their best to make him walk.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve R on February 02, 2016, 07:41:50 PM
The biggest difference I have seen between championship and premier league is that PL players are bigger and stronger. We will be playing on mostly modern players on pitches every bit as good as the ones we are used to. It is not a division to clog your way out of.

All of which is almost secondary. If we do go down, we will return to a league where even the likes of Bournemouth will have had invested tens of millions in their squad. We will have to come up with the nucleus of a PL squad, playing PL football supplemented by significant close season reinforcement.

I would fancy Garde to deliver his part of the job, but Fox and Hollis? It is going to take a sea change in attitude and competence from them for us to even re-establish a foothold in the top flight.

Puke.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FrankyH on February 02, 2016, 07:42:24 PM
Has Garde been quoted as saying he will consider his position in the summer or are the press speculating ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dekko on February 02, 2016, 07:50:07 PM
Quote from: FrankyH on February 02, 2016, 07:42:24 PM
Has Garde been quoted as saying he will consider his position in the summer or are the press speculating ?

Well he ain't happy - he said this about our lack of transfers and the suggestion that he wasn't given the money promised him when he signed up:

Quote
“Maybe it was not as clear when I signed, but it’s something that I don’t want to discuss too much,” Garde said.

“I understand that you cannot carry on doing the same things when you have not been as successful as you have wanted. I cannot say the club hasn’t done everything they could. It wouldn’t be fair. I’m not happy about this situation. I am not stupid and saying we need nobody.

“Some people have to be brave enough to say what have we done wrong in the past and what we should be doing now to stop that and to be better, maybe not in the next months but the next season or in two or three years.”

There was also another quote where he stated that he would still be here in May, and some people are taking it to be him saying 'I will be here until May'.  Its not clear which he meant.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 02, 2016, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: Steve R on February 02, 2016, 07:41:50 PM
The biggest difference I have seen between championship and premier league is that PL players are bigger and stronger.

This first point is very much part of our problem this season. We have one of the easiest teams to physically bully I've ever known. When our Director of Sport is looking at the stats on each potential signing, he obviously ignores the height and weight of the players. We need more balance, it's not just passes completed, metres run. Physical strength has been completely ignored.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2016, 08:34:50 PM
Garde has them fighting tonight.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on February 02, 2016, 09:28:08 PM
Garde deserves better than the shabby treatment the board have given him.

If he walked I wouldn't blame him one bit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 02, 2016, 09:37:18 PM
We must shower him with love till the end of the season, serenede him at the games and let everyone know we're fully behind him.
He's smart enough to realise the mandate of the fans will give him to power to make his changes, and then he will make us great again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2016, 09:40:21 PM
Good to see he had lots of options from the bench.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 02, 2016, 09:42:02 PM
I think it's notable that usually, the two best footballing sides in the Championship go up, because it's obvious there is a difference in class. The play-off winner is usually the most rugged of the also-rans, which takes into consideration the extra stamina needed for the play-offs. Christ, imagine being a footballing side? I reckon Garde can do it. I was actually impressed with us tonight despite the obvious limitations.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 02, 2016, 09:43:29 PM
French flags on Saturday? Show of support?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on February 02, 2016, 09:48:32 PM
Cut a lonely figure tonight. Didn't see any of the backroom staff on the touchline jeeing up the players or bollocking the fourth official for the horrendous decisions. All I saw was bilic with his arm around the fourth official.  Everything seems to be going against us this year
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on February 02, 2016, 09:49:16 PM
Quote from: Des Little on February 02, 2016, 09:43:29 PM
French flags on Saturday? Show of support?

My toes are curling.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: nuninho on February 02, 2016, 09:53:00 PM
I think he's gone. The way he stood on the touchline looked a man broken. He doesn't deserve this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 02, 2016, 09:54:34 PM
I noted as soon as Wet Spam's second went in the camera got right into Garde's face. I didn't look that sad at my Nan's funeral.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2016, 09:56:13 PM
I just hope Remi gives the club a chance in the summer and he's identifying the players he wants now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on February 02, 2016, 09:57:11 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2016, 09:56:13 PM
I just hope Remi gives the club a chance in the summer and he's identifying the players he wants now.
Waste of time. We'll get out of contract Championship cloggers, guaranteed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 09:59:58 PM
Garde might has well said he is gone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2016, 10:00:29 PM
What did he say?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on February 02, 2016, 10:00:53 PM
Allons enfants de la Patrie
Le jour de gloire est arrive!



Ok difficult but still in there.



Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on February 02, 2016, 10:02:09 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 09:59:58 PM
Garde might has well said he is gone.
Yep. Gutted
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 10:02:29 PM
When the reporter asked him if he can re-assure Villa fans he looked down and said it is not the time to speak about that after a game.

If he was intending on staying he would have said so.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 02, 2016, 10:03:45 PM
That sounds like we'll be waking up to 'Where next for Aston Villa Football Club?'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2016, 10:04:05 PM
Brilliant the final nail then. If he goes, which is terrible, I hope he gives the board both barrels.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Keeno on February 02, 2016, 10:05:19 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 10:02:29 PM
When the reporter asked him if he can re-assure Villa fans he looked down and said it is not the time to speak about that after a game.

If he was intending on staying he would have said so.

Part of me thought that, the other part of me thought that Stubbs had just conducted a truly terrible interview, he'd answered many of the questions in pressers for the last 48 hours, and quite understandably Garde wanted to talk about the game. I must admit that would have been my response to most of the interviews Stubbs/Shreeves and the like conduct.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on February 02, 2016, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2016, 10:04:05 PM
Brilliant the final nail then. If he goes, which is terrible, I hope he gives the board both barrels.
So do I
Disgraceful treatment of the best manager in years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on February 02, 2016, 10:06:37 PM
I won't be surprised at all if Garde walks, nor will I blame him. Villa Park is no place at the moment for a man with dignity or self-respect. It's an absolute shithouse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Smirker on February 02, 2016, 10:08:40 PM
I thought he spoke well after the match and is a likeable bloke. With financial backing earlier on we could easily have turned a few draws into wins.

The board can fuck themselves. I actually hate Lerner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on February 02, 2016, 10:12:34 PM
Lerner is the ultimate in passive aggressiveness.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 10:13:13 PM
It is plain to see watching us that we are now an organised unit. 3 poor ref decisions in the last 3 games and we would be sitting on 17 ish points now, not 13. Add in a striker and midfielder/ winger that have got a bit of ability and we might have had a chance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: martin o`who?? on February 02, 2016, 10:13:42 PM
Mr Garde, I'm genuinely sorry that a once great Football club is probably causing you to lose the will to live, look on the bright side - you're getting paid for enduring this, we have to pay for that dubious privilege and it will hurt us deeper and for longer than it will you, our board are screwing all of us over, no one blames you for all this, we know EXACTLY where the blame lies, Bon-voyage Misuer and good luck.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bully2345 on February 02, 2016, 10:14:58 PM
Slaven Bilic looked like he felt very very sorry for Rémi when they shook hands after the game
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2016, 10:15:05 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 10:13:13 PM
It is plain to see watching us that we are now an organised unit. 3 poor ref decisions in the last 3 games and we would be sitting on 17 ish points now, not 13. Add in a striker and midfielder/ winger that have got a bit of ability and we might have had a chance.

Yep.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rich on February 02, 2016, 10:15:20 PM
Continued consistent horrible performance from the board.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hopadop on February 02, 2016, 10:16:41 PM
He's on a hiding to nothing it seems.

What troubles me is not the lack of investment to try to keep us up, I think we all realised that wasn't likely. It's the lack of any suggestion we're going to turn the corner any time soon. The last thing a young manager like him needs is a big club dragging him down. He knows it and he wants out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mrfuse on February 02, 2016, 10:18:53 PM
Quote from: Smirker on February 02, 2016, 10:08:40 PM
I thought he spoke well after the match and is a likeable bloke. With financial backing earlier on we could easily have turned a few draws into wins.

The board can fuck themselves. I actually hate Lerner.

Yeah I agree he does seem to conduct himself well. He looks like he can certainly get his point across without loosing it.
The press are obviously baying for blood but he was unwilling to rise to it, although I've got to say he does look like he is about to walk.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on February 02, 2016, 10:20:31 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on February 02, 2016, 10:12:34 PM
Lerner is the ultimate in passive aggressiveness.

Stares at you with disdain
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on February 02, 2016, 10:22:05 PM
Quote from: Smirker on February 02, 2016, 10:08:40 PM
I thought he spoke well after the match and is a likeable bloke. With financial backing earlier on we could easily have turned a few draws into wins.

The board can fuck themselves. I actually hate Lerner.

This is about where I am at the moment.
The Board can just do one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: QuintonVilla on February 02, 2016, 10:31:43 PM
Gut feeling is he will resign tomorrow. He had that beaten and despondent look about him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 10:32:39 PM
I would be amazed if he didn't

What is the point of staying to May now?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 02, 2016, 10:35:54 PM
I hope he doesn't.  They might put that ****** KMac in charge again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 02, 2016, 10:36:30 PM
I think he'll go tomorrow too. He seems too stand-up a chap to walk out on his squad right before a game even though he must have wanted to.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on February 02, 2016, 10:36:56 PM
With no real affinity for the club, he'll probably wake up feeling rejuvenated and just go again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on February 02, 2016, 10:37:02 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 10:32:39 PM
I would be amazed if he didn't

What is the point of staying to May now?

Exactly there is zero hope the team can turn it around we simply don't have the players , look at Bournmouth miles ahead of us thanks in part to signing Afobe.

I don't get it would have spending 10 - 15 mil really have crippled us that much , what high earners do we have left ?

The board don't understand football they took all hope away and left Remi to front up to media about is the club giving up etc wtf is he supposed to say
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on February 02, 2016, 10:40:26 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on February 02, 2016, 10:37:02 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 10:32:39 PM
I would be amazed if he didn't

What is the point of staying to May now?


The board don't understand football they took all hope away and left Remi to front up to media about is the club giving up etc wtf is he supposed to say

Va va voom?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 02, 2016, 10:40:59 PM
The only guy with a braincell left at the club. Makes sense that he'll walk.
And most of us would be 100% behind him if he chooses to do so.

I feel great pride that he is our manager. He comes across with a great sense of dignity and intelligence every time he is interviewed. The polar opposite to the clowns upstairs at Villa Park.

Bon voyage Remi. :(
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2016, 10:42:12 PM
I feel terrible for him. He's taking all the shit from the media and the cowards are in the background.

Lion led by donkeys.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 02, 2016, 10:43:30 PM
Remi had the chance to outright deny that he would leave when he was interviewed after the game. He chose not to. But Remi. Don't blame you for this mess.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 02, 2016, 10:47:07 PM
So, I suppose I should get the elephant in the room out of the way...who's next up the gantry to the guillotine?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2016, 10:47:25 PM
I hope that someone gives him the assurances that he will be backed in the summer.
Can you imagine what these idiots might do if he walks,?
Gabby Player Manager?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Harte on February 02, 2016, 10:47:40 PM
Quote from: Newby on February 02, 2016, 10:43:30 PM
Remi had the chance to outright deny that he would leave when he was interviewed after the game. He chose not to. But Remi. Don't blame you for this mess.
He perhaps doesn't yet know what he is going to do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2016, 10:47:46 PM
I don't want the job back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 10:48:35 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 02, 2016, 10:47:07 PM
So, I suppose I should get the elephant in the room out of the way...who's next up the gantry to the guillotine?

Gary Rowett lol
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 02, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
My first - and only - thought was David Moyes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 02, 2016, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 02, 2016, 10:47:07 PM
So, I suppose I should get the elephant in the room out of the way...who's next up the gantry to the guillotine?

They will wheel in some british/irish plodder who "understands the Championship" and willing to "work within the framework of the club". For the lolz they might get in someone like Holloway just to piss of fans even more, after all why not, they are openly laughing at us anyway, they might get some amusement from making it even more overt.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on February 02, 2016, 10:50:16 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2016, 10:42:12 PM
I feel terrible for him. He's taking all the shit from the media and the cowards are in the background.

Lion led by donkeys.

Very true. Lerner doesn't want a manager, he wants a shit deflector. Remi Garde has too much integrity to take that for much longer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2016, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 02, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
My first - and only - thought was David Moyes.

He's not going to be managing in the championship any time soon.

If Garde goes and these fucking idiots are left to make the choice, i truly dread to think of the stupid types of appointment they'd make

We are a club which had a shortlist of one and spoke publicly of how we had to "persuade" Tim Sherwood to take the job. We also had to "persuade" a regional accountant who admits he knows nothing about football to be our chairman.

When Lerner came here, all those Browns fans told us how he makes abysmal appointments. They were absolutely spot on. The bloke is a disaster.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 02, 2016, 10:52:16 PM
There's bound to be some left-field face palm triggering numpty out there looking for a job surely. This is the ONLY task I have faith in our board to achieve!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 10:52:18 PM
Moyes would not touch it with a barge pole.


It will be Pearson won't it. Look at the foundation he has left at Leicester.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2016, 10:53:41 PM
I would expect it to be Pearson and a man with a tranquilliser gun and big net, just in case.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2016, 10:55:45 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 02, 2016, 10:35:54 PM
I hope he doesn't.  They might put that c*** KMac in charge again.
If Remi goes then that is nailed on for certain, until the end of the season too.
It is after all, the cheapest option, isn't it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 02, 2016, 10:58:02 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 02, 2016, 10:35:54 PM
I hope he doesn't.  They might put that c*** KMac in charge again.

Oh jesus I hadnt thought of that. Our very own bloody John Carver but without the passion for the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on February 02, 2016, 10:58:51 PM
Quote from: Nii Lamptey on February 02, 2016, 10:52:16 PM
There's bound to be some left-field face palm triggering numpty out there looking for a job surely. This is the ONLY task I have faith in our board to achieve!

Apart from the numpty bit, Edvard would be left field.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on February 02, 2016, 10:59:50 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on February 02, 2016, 10:37:02 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 02, 2016, 10:32:39 PM
I would be amazed if he didn't

What is the point of staying to May now?

Exactly there is zero hope the team can turn it around we simply don't have the players , look at Bournmouth miles ahead of us thanks in part to signing Afobe.

I don't get it would have spending 10 - 15 mil really have crippled us that much , what high earners do we have left ?

The board don't understand football they took all hope away and left Remi to front up to media about is the club giving up etc wtf is he supposed to say

The figures don't add up when all the clubs around us are able to spend such sums while we - even after four/five years of austerity - can't. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FrankyH on February 02, 2016, 11:08:07 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on February 02, 2016, 10:12:34 PM
Lerner is the ultimate in passive aggressiveness.

Yep , the the Polite Assassin.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FrankyH on February 02, 2016, 11:14:16 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2016, 10:47:25 PM
I hope that someone gives him the assurances that he will be backed in the summer.
Can you imagine what these idiots might do if he walks,?
Gabby Player Manager?

Give the guy at Leeds the job or people still in the game that you and I wouldn't give a fucking paper round to .
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 02, 2016, 11:16:34 PM
It's the richest time in the history of British football. Villa spend as if it's winter in the Third Division.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 02, 2016, 11:17:29 PM
I haven't heard Ian Dowie's dulcet tones of late. I won't rest until I know where he is and what he is up to. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on February 02, 2016, 11:20:34 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on February 02, 2016, 11:17:29 PM
I haven't heard Ian Dowie's dulcet tones of late. I won't rest until I know where he is and what he is up to. 
Soccer Saturday every week reporting live from Championship matches normally
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on February 02, 2016, 11:21:05 PM
Don Goodman would be a statement by the board
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 02, 2016, 11:21:43 PM
One good man will do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 02, 2016, 11:25:32 PM
Don Estelle isn't beyond this board
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 02, 2016, 11:27:39 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on February 02, 2016, 11:20:34 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on February 02, 2016, 11:17:29 PM
I haven't heard Ian Dowie's dulcet tones of late. I won't rest until I know where he is and what he is up to. 
Soccer Saturday every week reporting live from Championship matches normally

Thanks for that. I will sleep more easily.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on February 02, 2016, 11:28:19 PM
Thinking back to Remi saying he'd like the board to make a statement - was this the first sign of him thinking about leaving?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FrankyH on February 02, 2016, 11:31:28 PM
Quote from: Des Little on February 02, 2016, 11:25:32 PM
Don Estelle isn't beyond this board

Wont come if the Board aren't prepared to pay for Windsor Davies as his assistant, another opportunity wasted.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on February 02, 2016, 11:31:42 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 02, 2016, 10:55:45 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 02, 2016, 10:35:54 PM
I hope he doesn't.  They might put that c*** KMac in charge again.
If Remi goes then that is nailed on for certain, until the end of the season too.
It is after all, the cheapest option, isn't it.
We'd all be one big happy claret and blue family. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FrankyH on February 02, 2016, 11:37:19 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 02, 2016, 11:16:34 PM
It's the richest time in the history of British football. Villa spend as if it's winter in the Third Division.

I think Randy has got hold of a copy of  "Children of the Revolution"  - Richard Whitehead. He now wants to show his tattoo off at a load of new championship and first division grounds !
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 02, 2016, 11:37:56 PM
Remi comes from French football where the manager is involved with the team and does not have to face up to the media and comment on the running of the club.

It is about time Hollis or Fox start fielding the questions about what is going on behind the scenes.  Remi is showing a lot of dignity and is right to tell the media that he is not the one to discuss matters other than about the team.  I believe that Remi does not think it his position to discuss behind the scenes decisions, not that he does not want to.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on February 02, 2016, 11:38:22 PM
Quote from: not3bad on February 02, 2016, 11:31:42 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 02, 2016, 10:55:45 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 02, 2016, 10:35:54 PM
I hope he doesn't.  They might put that c*** KMac in charge again.
If Remi goes then that is nailed on for certain, until the end of the season too.
It is after all, the cheapest option, isn't it.
We'd all be one big happy claret and blue family. 
After his last stint he should have been booted out for sheer negligence. I was hoping when Remi joined us we'd have a full on shake up from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2016, 11:45:35 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on February 02, 2016, 11:27:39 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on February 02, 2016, 11:20:34 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on February 02, 2016, 11:17:29 PM
I haven't heard Ian Dowie's dulcet tones of late. I won't rest until I know where he is and what he is up to. 
Soccer Saturday every week reporting live from Championship matches normally

Thanks for that. I will sleep more easily.

No. Not until he's dead. Him and Gary Penrice.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2016, 11:48:13 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 02, 2016, 11:37:56 PM
Remi comes from French football where the manager is involved with the team and does not have to face up to the media and comment on the running of the club.

It is about time Hollis or Fox start fielding the questions about what is going on behind the scenes.  Remi is showing a lot of dignity and is right to tell the media that he is not the one to discuss matters other than about the team.  I believe that Remi does not think it his position to discuss behind the scenes decisions, not that he does not want to.
I agree, it is cowardly in the extreme to let him face the music alone.
I am pretty sure the only way he will stick around is if Hollis and Fox go public on thier actions and intentions. If they do not then Remi has every right to walk and we will know Fox and Hollis for what they are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2016, 12:18:49 AM
Just realised watching the TV, we will end up with Gary Monk won't we. Bright young English manager and all that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 03, 2016, 12:21:13 AM
Well end up with someone cheap and British. Monks a good shout. Did ok for a bit, lost his way, needs a new gig, no compensation. Various boxes of mediocrity checked.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on February 03, 2016, 12:21:21 AM
Remi Garde deserves better than this shambles.

Board Out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 03, 2016, 12:22:06 AM
Quite right, Hollis and Fox (why do I get a mental picture of Laurel and Hardy) must come out with a proper statement, actually no scratch that, an interview would be better, a Q & A style (they can even get Woodward to do it if they want a friendly interview) to provide some answers, some direction about what's going on regards transfers, plans etc for the supporters.

It's completely unacceptable to go silent at this time and just let Garde take the shit storm.  Completely unacceptable, amateurish and not only creates the perfect reason for Garde to walk I'd say a perfect reason for yet more litigation and pay outs due to a successful case for constructive dismissal. 

One thing I can never get my head around with Lerner and his cronies is their absolute inability to learn from previous mistakes.   

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on February 03, 2016, 01:15:11 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 03, 2016, 12:18:49 AM
Just realised watching the TV, we will end up with Gary Monk won't we. Bright young English manager and all that.

Yeah, watching MotD I had exactly the same premonition.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on February 03, 2016, 01:28:27 AM
We'd new lucky to get Monk, knowing our board. Appointing him might new a suspiciously decent decision, so they'd presumably do something as stupid as the most recent transfer window top muck things up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 03, 2016, 01:52:45 AM
Quote from: Des Little on February 02, 2016, 11:25:32 PM
Don Estelle isn't beyond this board
Don Everall...reasonably local and loads of coaching experience in the lower leagues!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on February 03, 2016, 04:03:13 AM
Monk is wishful thinking. We'd end up with Pearson.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on February 03, 2016, 05:16:15 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 02, 2016, 11:37:56 PM
Remi comes from French football where the manager is involved with the team and does not have to face up to the media and comment on the running of the club

French managers are interviewed just as much, if not more than Premier League managers. There is a programme called the Petit Journal which has a regular slot taking thé piss out of some of the L1 gaffers' interviews. So Garde will be used to speaking to the media.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 03, 2016, 05:58:52 AM
What he has to balance is , will it look worse on his CV going forward to bale out during a season, or will the stain of a relegation darken his prospects more. I feel he may wait till May, but I would not be rushing down the bookies to lay my money on that.

As for the club to come out and say something it is not going to happen and if they did it would not reflect the true state of affairs, we would just be lied to, waffled to whatever, I am not in the know, but I have a horrible gut feeling there is more wrong with AVFC at the moment than even we think.

Who next, I would like to see the guy who went from Brentford to Rangers, is it Wharburton, I mean he is working up at Rangers without a pot to piss in, but again the worry is there and again through lack of football knowledge on the board, the football world is a very small world and I should imagine any up and coming manager knows that we are very toxic at the moment and taking on the task may not be the best career move.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villabear on February 03, 2016, 06:11:25 AM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 03, 2016, 01:52:45 AM
Quote from: Des Little on February 02, 2016, 11:25:32 PM
Don Estelle isn't beyond this board
Don Everall...reasonably local and loads of coaching experience in the lower leagues!

Don Amott - King of caravans! 

One for you youngsters there
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holtemeister on February 03, 2016, 07:21:47 AM
Don Kiddick ... apparently big in some parts and a destroyer in the box
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 03, 2016, 07:29:48 AM
Can, potentially, see us becoming a Leeds/Sheff Wed etc. and having a load of managers unable to get us back up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2016, 08:11:36 AM
The only person in the management structure I want to remain is Remi. I hope he stays, in spite of the rabble he has to manage he's got them looking organised. I think there was a good chance we could have won last night if it wasn't for Ayew's idiocy and the awful officiating. Please stay Remi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: lovejoy on February 03, 2016, 08:19:05 AM
To be fair, we've played great in the first 15 minutes of games a lot this season and I don't recollect us turning many of them into wins.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on February 03, 2016, 08:24:31 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2016, 08:11:36 AM
The only person in the management structure I want to remain is Remi. I hope he stays, in spite of the rabble he has to manage he's got them looking organised. I think there was a good chance we could have won last night if it wasn't for Ayew's idiocy and the awful officiating. Please stay Remi.
d
100% agree, the protests we'd all love to make against Lerner are more than likely futile, whereas we can support Remi to the hilt and make him feel as loved as we possibly can.
His options on the pitch since he came here have been limited to say the least , he has managed to sort out the rotten apples and the effort is there  but the disgraceful dereliction of duty by the twats on the board has left him fighting games with one hand tied behind his back, no-one outplays us, they just have players we can now only dream of signing to nail us with a bit of quality we just don't have.
I think support Remi totally whilst venting our spleen against the board.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 03, 2016, 08:41:08 AM
Quote from: Holtemeister on February 03, 2016, 07:21:47 AM
Don Kiddick ... apparently big in some parts and a destroyer in the box

Don King

Batshit crazy? Check.
Merchandise potential? Check - just think of those Don King wigs we could flog.
Talks a good job? Check.
Only in it for the money? Instant empathy with 50% of the squad. Check.'
Knows nothing about football? Check - Fit right in with the rest of the management structure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 03, 2016, 09:05:57 AM
Kong King? (one for our Norwegian posters)

Big.  tick

Hairy   tick

Gets up high   tick

Beats chest  tick

Hates aeroplanes  half a tick (like Bergkamp)

Lusts after cute little squeally blondes in see through dresses.  tick

Strangles snakes. (you know who). tick

Come for peanuts.  2 ticks
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 03, 2016, 09:28:03 AM
Quote from: villabear on February 03, 2016, 06:11:25 AM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 03, 2016, 01:52:45 AM
Quote from: Des Little on February 02, 2016, 11:25:32 PM
Don Estelle isn't beyond this board
Don Everall...reasonably local and loads of coaching experience in the lower leagues!

Don Amott - King of caravans! 

One for you youngsters there

Don Fewtrell. Knows how to deal with unrest and troublemakers in the club  Gets results.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: QuintonVilla on February 03, 2016, 09:42:04 AM
I like him, I think he is conducting himself very well in such difficult circumstances and wouldn't blame him if he walked away.

His and our trouble is he's trying to get this ragtag bunch of players to play football and they can't do it. We cross the halfway line and literally have no idea what to do. I've seen some having a go at him about last night, granted we were awful after going down to 10 men and didn't get out of our half but what could he have done? These players don't win games with 11v11 so they certainly weren't going to with 10. They just simply weren't good enough to play out and launch any kind of attack. Who did he have to bring on off the bench? Richardson and Sinclair, two of the worst/softest players I've seen wear the shirt. We all knew they would have no impact what so ever last night but as I say he didn't have much choice.

With good players I reckon he'd do a good job because they'd buy into his possession style and have the ability to create chances with how much of the ball they'd have. The game that summed it up for me was Albion away, we controlled that game and whilst we never looked like losing it we also never looked like scoring. We dominated possession but as soon as we got near their area it went to pieces because the players aren't good enough.

All of this though is why I said we shouldn't have gone for Garde, wrong man at the wrong time. We needed someone to come in and galvanise the players and grind out 1-0 wins with ugly, battling football. As much as I don't like him I think Pearson would have given us the best chance of that, he'd have instilled fighting spirit and got poor players over-performing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on February 03, 2016, 09:48:20 AM
But if we had got a Pearson type in, any short term fixes probably would have meant going further back in the long term. As was the case with TS.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on February 03, 2016, 09:51:09 AM
Feel a bit better after seeing the post match interview on BBC Sport. He was very positive about the team and didn't come across as a man about to quit. I am hoping that Remi was just pissed off with the nature of the questions immediately post match.

He has a real dignity about him.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2016, 10:01:37 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on February 03, 2016, 09:51:09 AM
Feel a bit better after seeing the post match interview on BBC Sport. He was very positive about the team and didn't come across as a man about to quit. I am hoping that Remi was just pissed off with the nature of the questions immediately post match.

He has a real dignity about him.

I agree, I think he's made his point to the board in a very clear and mature way. Knowing the way Lerner reacts though, I bet he'll be planning to chop him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on February 03, 2016, 10:03:53 AM
I think it could be a mistake to analyse his comments too closely. He is clearly frustrated but to draw any wider conclusions would is difficult. Although his English is good, it is not perfect; he does occasionally get his tenses confused and sometimes uses the wrong word.

That is not to say he is not considering his future, he might be, but as things stand the only definitive statement we have is the one where he said he wanted to be here even if we are relegated.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 03, 2016, 10:10:01 AM
Again, trying to look at it logically, and also with a large amount of wishful thinking, if he leaves today he's that funny little French bloke that Villa sacked after one win in thirteen - another Christian Gross. In twelve months he's that manager who turned us round - Arsenal will be after him when Wenger finally retires.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 03, 2016, 10:15:04 AM
Or more likely, he disappears just after Christmas with us floating aimlessly in mid table after an underwhelming transfer window.

Yes, I really need to up my dosage of happy pills.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 03, 2016, 10:19:02 AM
I have stated many times that I am still not totally convinced by Remi, but there has been signs of improvement and the effort is there to be seen, he also handles himself in direct contrast to the cockney rent a gob. I also appreciate what a dire squad he has taken over so in more ways than not I hope you are right Dave and I do think to go now would have just as much effect on him short term as on us short to medium.
I think what it will come down to is not the fact that no one was signed this week, that could br down to a million different reasons, but if he believes that reason was that the powers that be did not put in the required effort to at least try and get things over the line and that they were only paying him lip service, or that the fact they are incompetent, the visa issue is a worry there, if for any of those reasons I think he will be on the Euro star after the Arsenal game and not returning.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: joe_c on February 03, 2016, 10:24:45 AM
Don Trump
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Olof's Beard on February 03, 2016, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 03, 2016, 10:10:01 AM
Again, trying to look at it logically, and also with a large amount of wishful thinking, if he leaves today he's that funny little French bloke that Villa sacked after one win in thirteen - another Christian Gross. In twelve months he's that manager who turned us round - Arsenal will be after him when Wenger finally retires.

I hope he does stay, for his own sake as much as anything. He deserves some better times with us. He has had layer after layer of unending misery since he arrived and it would be nice to see him on the pitch with his arms aloft in 15 month's time having secured promotion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 03, 2016, 10:40:13 AM
Don Brennan
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: fbriai on February 03, 2016, 10:44:37 AM
Don Quixote
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on February 03, 2016, 10:48:39 AM
Don Corleone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Small Rodent on February 03, 2016, 10:53:27 AM
Donkey Dick
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Small Rodent on February 03, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 03, 2016, 12:22:06 AM
Quite right, Hollis and Fox (why do I get a mental picture of Laurel and Hardy) must come out with a proper statement,

I imagine the next statement we will hear from the board is “Tickets will be kept at Premier League prices for the 2016/17 season so our loyal fans can assist us in our fight for promotion.”
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: prmort on February 03, 2016, 11:03:30 AM
Quote from: Small Rodent on February 03, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 03, 2016, 12:22:06 AM
Quite right, Hollis and Fox (why do I get a mental picture of Laurel and Hardy) must come out with a proper statement,

I imagine the next statement we will hear from the board is “Tickets will be kept at Premier League prices for the 2016/17 season so our loyal CUSTOMERS can assist us in our fight for promotion.”

Fixed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: croatian on February 03, 2016, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: Small Rodent on February 03, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 03, 2016, 12:22:06 AM
Quite right, Hollis and Fox (why do I get a mental picture of Laurel and Hardy) must come out with a proper statement,

I imagine the next statement we will hear from the board is “Tickets will be kept at Premier League prices for the 2016/17 season so our loyal fans can assist us in our fight for promotio
Quote from: Small Rodent on February 03, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 03, 2016, 12:22:06 AM
Quite right, Hollis and Fox (why do I get a mental picture of Laurel and Hardy) must come out with a proper statement,

I imagine the next statement we will hear from the board is “Tickets will be kept at Premier League prices for the 2016/17 season so our loyal fans can assist us in our fight for promotion.”

Please. Don't give those idiots any ideas.
They appear not to have any of their own.
Apart from shirt sales.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 03, 2016, 11:38:58 AM
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that if Remi goes, his backroom staff are likely to go too. I think we've looked like we have more stamina, so having Duverne back is probably paying off.

On a slightly related note, we're bookies' favourite for the Championship title next season. Let's wait and see what this week holds first.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2016, 01:40:53 PM
I think it's obvious how much fitter we are. I would like to see our running stays in the last few games
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 03, 2016, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 03, 2016, 11:38:58 AM
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that if Remi goes, his backroom staff are likely to go too. I think we've looked like we have more stamina, so having Duverne back is probably paying off.

On a slightly related note, we're bookies' favourite for the Championship title next season. Let's wait and see what this week holds first.

Isn't that them stating we are down for sure and can't as yet fill the other two places? We would then most likely be third favourites?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: joe_c on February 03, 2016, 01:52:18 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 03, 2016, 11:38:58 AM
On a slightly related note, we're bookies' favourite for the Championship title next season. Let's wait and see what this week holds first.

We're probably currently the only team guaranteed to be playing at that level next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 03, 2016, 02:04:17 PM
and we know we will be top of the table until early August
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 03, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
Quote from: Bad English on February 03, 2016, 05:16:15 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 02, 2016, 11:37:56 PM
Remi comes from French football where the manager is involved with the team and does not have to face up to the media and comment on the running of the club

French managers are interviewed just as much, if not more than Premier League managers. There is a programme called the Petit Journal which has a regular slot taking thé piss out of some of the L1 gaffers' interviews. So Garde will be used to speaking to the media.

From the limited exposure we get over here, it appears the club owners/presidents talk about the running of the club, buying players etc. but I go with your local knowledge.

Remi Garde looks as though he can handle the media interviews quite easily but, as I have said elsewhere, I think he believes that it's not his position to talk about finance and the strategy of expenditure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on February 03, 2016, 08:39:18 PM
I know one thing,

Remi will now have the vast majority of fans on side against Norwich, so although lerner is a cock, he has made sure the fans will be pro Garde as we all feel Remi has been stiffed. (not bad considering how many games his lost)

McGrath I'm even ready to chant

Remi Gardes Claret and Blue Army.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on February 03, 2016, 08:57:07 PM
Quote from: joe_c on February 03, 2016, 01:52:18 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 03, 2016, 11:38:58 AM
On a slightly related note, we're bookies' favourite for the Championship title next season. Let's wait and see what this week holds first.

We're probably currently the only team guaranteed to be playing at that level next season.

please don't
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 03, 2016, 09:54:41 PM
What grates with me is the fact that we were no worse  under Sherwood than we are under Remi Garde however a lot of excuses are being provided in favour of the Frenchman.

Its not Sherwood's fault that the likes of Benteke, Delph and not forgetting Cleverly wanted away. 

Both have suffered from a lot of interference in who they can bring in. 

All I would say is don't judge one so harshly and the other with kid gloves. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 03, 2016, 10:03:19 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on February 03, 2016, 09:54:41 PM
What grates with me is the fact that we were no worse  under Sherwood than we are under Remi Garde however a lot of excuses are being provided in favour of the Frenchman.

Its not Sherwood's fault that the likes of Benteke, Delph and not forgetting Cleverly wanted away. 

Both have suffered from a lot of interference in who they can bring in. 

All I would say is don't judge one so harshly and the other with kid gloves. 

Are you being serious.

Sherwood hadn't prepared the players for the season, hadn't got a clue how to set the team up and drained the players of any confidence.  Can't you see how Garde has started rebuilding confidence and getting them playing as a team.  Garde has had to come in and make best use of the players Sherwood put together and had no opportunity to plug the weaknesses in the team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 03, 2016, 10:09:32 PM
It was also Sherwood presumably that chose Gestede as his replacement for Benteke, given that his bitching towards the end was almost exclusively aimed at the players recruited from France.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 03, 2016, 10:24:59 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on February 03, 2016, 09:54:41 PM
What grates with me is the fact that we were no worse  under Sherwood than we are under Remi Garde however a lot of excuses are being provided in favour of the Frenchman.

Its not Sherwood's fault that the likes of Benteke, Delph and not forgetting Cleverly wanted away. 

Both have suffered from a lot of interference in who they can bring in. 

All I would say is don't judge one so harshly and the other with kid gloves. 

Sherwood had the entire pre-season with these players and got them starting the season looking as fit as your average pub team. What's more, it turns out one of the reasons a few of the foreign players were struggling to integrate was that Tim opted not to speak to them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 03, 2016, 10:26:07 PM
Its all about opinions.  Sherwood  had his  hands tied as well with regards to transfers.  With the players I mentioned in my post before, he had us playing towards the end of last season and apart from the final we had our Villa back.  Forget Southampton and  Burnley games just before the cup final - remember we beat Ipswich 6-1 the week  before they  beat Arsenal  in 78.

Garde has to date overseen two very bad  4-0 defeats.  I am not saying Garde is such a bad manger but neither was Sherwood.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on February 03, 2016, 10:29:20 PM
Love how the Mirror/Mail put the headline that Villa are searching for replacement, due to RG not commenting on matters after a frustrating night - as it was fact. Pure click bait.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AV82EC on February 03, 2016, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on February 03, 2016, 10:26:07 PM
Its all about opinions.  Sherwood  had his  hands tied as well with regards to transfers.  With the players I mentioned in my post before, he had us playing towards the end of last season and apart from the final we had our Villa back.  Forget Southampton and  Burnley games just before the cup final - remember we beat Ipswich 6-1 the week  before they  beat Arsenal  in 78.

Garde has to date overseen two very bad  4-0 defeats.  I am not saying Garde is such a bad manger but neither was Sherwood.

Oh yes he was.

He didn't gave his hands tied with regards transfers as all his pronouncements at the time were full of praise for who he'd bought in. If was only when it went pear shaped and he'd overseen about 7 straight defeats that he started whining about the transfer committee and throwing the team under the bus.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bully2345 on February 03, 2016, 10:32:57 PM
Sherwood lost nine games on the bounce. Nine!

I remember football365 saying very early that they couldn't say he was a bad manager because they weren't even sure he was a manager at all. They were right
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 03, 2016, 10:40:54 PM
If Garde goes the board will again think they're being clever and planning for the future by getting Dean Smith from Brentford.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2016, 10:48:15 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on February 03, 2016, 10:26:07 PM
Its all about opinions.  Sherwood  had his  hands tied as well with regards to transfers.  With the players I mentioned in my post before, he had us playing towards the end of last season and apart from the final we had our Villa back.  Forget Southampton and  Burnley games just before the cup final - remember we beat Ipswich 6-1 the week  before they  beat Arsenal  in 78.

So, to paraphrase - if we ignore that, forget about this, don't take into account something else and make up a couple of things then Sherwood's time doesn't look quite so bad? Yes, I'm quite happy to accept that.

Sherwood's not without his skills and talents. I'm sure that there is a call-centre out there cold-calling about missold PPI which could do with a new deputy manager.

In the meantime, even when we do get relegated, at least that mountebank won't be employed by our club again. It's one of the very few positive things to take out of this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 03, 2016, 10:50:27 PM
The worrying thing is that I am starting to think that Lerner believes that nobody is bigger than Randy Lerner.  Nero springs to mind.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 03, 2016, 11:07:19 PM
Yes, Sherwood was shit, absolutely no doubt.
But Remi hasn't covered himself in glory.

I really can't believe that this squad is SO SHIT, that it is possible for it to win only 2 games so far. I don't think it could have been that bad if we'd actively set out to do that.

Ye, we know Remi has been dealt a shit hand, yes his bosses are wankers, but that should not excuse questions being asked about his abilities and his results.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 03, 2016, 11:12:11 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on February 03, 2016, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on February 03, 2016, 10:26:07 PM
Its all about opinions.  Sherwood  had his  hands tied as well with regards to transfers.  With the players I mentioned in my post before, he had us playing towards the end of last season and apart from the final we had our Villa back.  Forget Southampton and  Burnley games just before the cup final - remember we beat Ipswich 6-1 the week  before they  beat Arsenal  in 78.

Garde has to date overseen two very bad  4-0 defeats.  I am not saying Garde is such a bad manger but neither was Sherwood.

Oh yes he was.

He didn't gave his hands tied with regards transfers as all his pronouncements at the time were full of praise for who he'd bought in. If was only when it went pear shaped and he'd overseen about 7 straight defeats that he started whining about the transfer committee and throwing the team under the bus.

That's why i dislike that vile gobshite so much - he started throwing everyone he had to under the bus to make himself look good.

Horrible, horrible man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 03, 2016, 11:15:27 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 03, 2016, 11:07:19 PM
Yes, Sherwood was shit, absolutely no doubt.
But Remi hasn't covered himself in glory.

I really can't believe that this squad is SO SHIT, that it is possible for it to win only 2 games so far. I don't think it could have been that bad if we'd actively set out to do that.

Ye, we know Remi has been dealt a shit hand, yes his bosses are wankers, but that should not excuse questions being asked about his abilities and his results.

To win games you need goal scorers.  Even if all were fit we would struggle but Garde has been unlucky with injuries in this part of the team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BC Villain on February 03, 2016, 11:27:19 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 03, 2016, 10:09:32 PM
It was also Sherwood presumably that chose Gestede as his replacement for Benteke, given that his bitching towards the end was almost exclusively aimed at the players recruited from France.

And merely rubbed all the players up the wrong way to the point where some didn't even want to play for him
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on February 03, 2016, 11:37:43 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on February 03, 2016, 10:26:07 PM
Its all about opinions.  Sherwood  had his  hands tied as well with regards to transfers.  With the players I mentioned in my post before, he had us playing towards the end of last season and apart from the final we had our Villa back.  Forget Southampton and  Burnley games just before the cup final - remember we beat Ipswich 6-1 the week  before they  beat Arsenal  in 78.

Garde has to date overseen two very bad  4-0 defeats.  I am not saying Garde is such a bad manger but neither was Sherwood.

Actually the Southampton defeat was a  big warning sign we ignored ,those last 3 games inc the final we were hopeless , we were poor in preseason and carried on into this season the same way.
In terms of the transfers I can have sympathy that his hands were tied with some players , however the ones he picked Gestede and Richards have been woeful.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 04, 2016, 12:02:22 AM
Quote from: andyh on February 03, 2016, 11:07:19 PM
Yes, Sherwood was shit, absolutely no doubt.
But Remi hasn't covered himself in glory.

I really can't believe that this squad is SO SHIT, that it is possible for it to win only 2 games so far. I don't think it could have been that bad if we'd actively set out to do that.

Ye, we know Remi has been dealt a shit hand, yes his bosses are wankers, but that should not excuse questions being asked about his abilities and his results.

I can.

Total dilution of the first team squad. Guys like Westwood with all due respect were playing alongside Delph and Benteke last season. Those two have left a massive, massive hole quality wise and we've nowhere near replaced them.

Ok only 2 wins but we've lost some tight games because we haven't got that something special. Lots of hard work at times but no quality.

Also any new manager is at least given the chance to get 1 or 2 in. How can anybody realistically guage a managers performance with somebody elses players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on February 04, 2016, 12:16:03 AM
Sherwood was a poor manager.  But some of you seem to forget that we were nailed on for the Championship that now awaits us when he arrived. He bought us a year, and he spent no money in doing so.

Like Lambert and McLeish before him, and Remi since, he has never fully revealed what went on in those transfer windows.

There is nothing more insidious to a manager's prospects, in any walk of business, than to plan for a business  outcome and be let down on resourcing.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on February 04, 2016, 01:06:03 AM
The difference between Sherwood and Remi is night and day - one is a two bit chancer who threw everyone under the bus when it suited him, the other has maintained his class despite being treated like a pig by the clueless idiots in the boardroom.

Class gets my vote everyday and when he walks as he surely will, he will go with my very sincere best wishes. It will be a very sad day for AVFC
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 04, 2016, 06:08:14 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 03, 2016, 11:12:11 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on February 03, 2016, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on February 03, 2016, 10:26:07 PM
Its all about opinions.  Sherwood  had his  hands tied as well with regards to transfers.  With the players I mentioned in my post before, he had us playing towards the end of last season and apart from the final we had our Villa back.  Forget Southampton and  Burnley games just before the cup final - remember we beat Ipswich 6-1 the week  before they  beat Arsenal  in 78.

Garde has to date overseen two very bad  4-0 defeats.  I am not saying Garde is such a bad manger but neither was Sherwood.

Oh yes he was.

He didn't gave his hands tied with regards transfers as all his pronouncements at the time were full of praise for who he'd bought in. If was only when it went pear shaped and he'd overseen about 7 straight defeats that he started whining about the transfer committee and throwing the team under the bus.

That's why i dislike that vile gobshite so much - he started throwing everyone he had to under the bus to make himself look good.

Horrible, horrible man.

He sealed his fate in the post match interview following that Leicester game where he blamed the players and took no responsibility for the substitutions and subsequent formations - that HE lost the game, instead he said the opposite.

That's when he lost the dressing room and the excuses really started to flow, from then on it was just a matter of time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 04, 2016, 07:42:37 AM
We're still only 10 points off safety this morning, which makes the January inactivity even more inexplicable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 04, 2016, 08:05:53 AM
If you want a yardstick of just how bad a squad Remi Garde inherited and which to the eternal shame of the board he has not been allowed to strengthen, you need look no further than Alan Hutton.  In the early part of his time with us he was regarded as a very limited player to put it mildly.  So much so that Lambert put him in the bomb squad and would not play him.  To his great credit he has rehabilitated himself and won back a starting place, his energy and commitment making up for his shortcomings.

The interesting thing I find is that Hutton has looked better and better not because he is getting better but because the players around him are worse.

Collectively I have never seen a Villa side so weak in so many positions.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 04, 2016, 08:21:53 AM
Quote from: andyh on February 03, 2016, 11:07:19 PM
Yes, Sherwood was shit, absolutely no doubt.
But Remi hasn't covered himself in glory.

I really can't believe that this squad is SO SHIT, that it is possible for it to win only 2 games so far. I don't think it could have been that bad if we'd actively set out to do that.

Ye, we know Remi has been dealt a shit hand, yes his bosses are wankers, but that should not excuse questions being asked about his abilities and his results.


Well given that he inherited a squad where there had been no attempt to intergrate any of the foreign players, and apparently where absolutely no fitness work was done I'd say he's done a pretty good job of getting us competitive. Sherwood lost 9 games in a row didn't he? So the fact Remi has got us several draws shows the progress. The squad is also that bad, we don't have anything close to a goal scorer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 04, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
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Sherwood lost 9 games in a row didn't he? So the fact Remi has got us several draws shows the progress

I think what it shows is that Garde has improved us from being a truly awful side to being one that has improved very very slightly. I think it also shows us how low our expectations have become that we accept this
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on February 04, 2016, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: brian green on February 04, 2016, 08:05:53 AM
If you want a yardstick of just how bad a squad Remi Garde inherited and which to the eternal shame of the board he has not been allowed to strengthen, you need look no further than Alan Hutton.  In the early part of his time with us he was regarded as a very limited player to put it mildly.  So much so that Lambert put him in the bomb squad and would not play him.  To his great credit he has rehabilitated himself and won back a starting place, his energy and commitment making up for his shortcomings.

The interesting thing I find is that Hutton has looked better and better not because he is getting better but because the players around him are worse.

Collectively I have never seen a Villa side so weak in so many positions.

I wouldn't even argue that Hutton has looked better, Brian.  He's consistently one of the worst performers week in week out.  You can't fault his effort but he is bloody awful.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 04, 2016, 11:17:42 AM
It took Garde 10 games to really get going and in those first games he made some decision as bad as Sherwood and Lambert. There's been a marginal upturn now, and importantly more of a unity in the playing squad and more effort. I think there's enough to suggest we should stick with him next season (IF he actually stays). In addition he seems to be a good guy and he's had a raw deal like we all have. He needs backing this summer. I don't think Garde will truly get to begin rebuilding until the summer. This season is a total write off. The club is a shambles, the squad is the most appallingly bad one we've ever had. He needs to rid this squad of at least 4-5 poisonous members, and a further bunch who just aren't good enough. He's then got to be given full control over player selection, so that ultimately it will be his team and there can be no confusion. He doesn't seem like an excuses man like Sherwood. A bullshitter. If he doesn't deliver the goods next season I would expect Garde to have the guts to admit he's failed and not boo hoo about it like a dunce.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:23:37 AM
Huttons positioning is terrible. He must play wearing an invisible blind fold. He hasn't got better at all. He just tries.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 04, 2016, 11:28:15 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:23:37 AM
Huttons positioning is terrible. He must play wearing an invisible blind fold. He hasn't got better at all. He just tries.
No he's shite, but he's better than Bacuna, and still probably more reliable than Richards has been thus far. Micah is awful at CH and clearly doesn't want to play at RB.
In fact every senior player we have who can play right back needs shifting this summer. And that also says everything about what Garde has been dealt.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:31:01 AM
Huttons on 40k pw, it's going to be hard finding anyone dumb enough to pay for him and his wages.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 04, 2016, 11:33:11 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:31:01 AM
Huttons on 40k pw, it's going to be hard finding anyone dumb enough to pay for him and his wages.

According to who? I think that was reported as his wage when he joined us, but given he's signed a new contract since then I can't imagine we gave the same terms to somebody who we'd been actively trying to get rid of for most of this time with us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 04, 2016, 11:34:52 AM
Quote from: Dave on February 04, 2016, 11:33:11 AM

I can't imagine we gave the same terms to somebody who we'd been actively trying to get rid of for most of this time with us.

Yeah, we probably offered him £60k a week when he signed his new contract
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: Dave on February 04, 2016, 11:33:11 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:31:01 AM
Huttons on 40k pw, it's going to be hard finding anyone dumb enough to pay for him and his wages.

According to who? I think that was reported as his wage when he joined us, but given he's signed a new contract since then I can't imagine we gave the same terms to somebody who we'd been actively trying to get rid of for most of this time with us.

Good point, completely forgot he signed a new contract last year. It should have a relegation clause in it too now which is something else I was worried about.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 04, 2016, 11:40:42 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: Dave on February 04, 2016, 11:33:11 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:31:01 AM
Huttons on 40k pw, it's going to be hard finding anyone dumb enough to pay for him and his wages.

According to who? I think that was reported as his wage when he joined us, but given he's signed a new contract since then I can't imagine we gave the same terms to somebody who we'd been actively trying to get rid of for most of this time with us.

Good point, completely forgot he signed a new contract last year. It should have a relegation clause in it too now which is something else I was worried about.
I dunno. After our treatment of him, I wouldn't imagine he'd have reduced his wage demands by much, if at all. I reckon he's on 30k at the very least. We definitely have to shift him off our wage bill. Whatever he is on, is way more than what we should be paying for someone that shit. And I say this all as someone who actually likes Hutton. He might be shit but the guy gives it everything and has a good attitude.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 04, 2016, 11:46:34 AM
This is a club who rewarded a couple of years of half arsed performances from Agbonlahor with a fat new contract last year, so who knows what Hutton is on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on February 04, 2016, 11:50:21 AM
there is a petition to sign if you support Remi Garde

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb/796/603/432/the-fans-are-behind-you-remi-and-we-want-you-to-stay-and-fight-with-us-please/
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 04, 2016, 11:54:30 AM
There really aren't enough petitions these days.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: German James on February 04, 2016, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on February 04, 2016, 11:54:30 AM
There really aren't enough petitions these days.


I agree! Let's get up a petition about that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on February 04, 2016, 11:55:11 AM
ha ha very true
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on February 04, 2016, 12:19:06 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 04, 2016, 11:28:15 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:23:37 AM
Huttons positioning is terrible. He must play wearing an invisible blind fold. He hasn't got better at all. He just tries.
No he's shite, but he's better than Bacuna, and still probably more reliable than Richards has been thus far. Micah is awful at CH and clearly doesn't want to play at RB.
In fact every senior player we have who can play right back needs shifting this summer. And that also says everything about what Garde has been dealt.

I thought Micah played very well at Right back against The Albion and West Ham.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 04, 2016, 12:32:36 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on February 04, 2016, 12:19:06 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 04, 2016, 11:28:15 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:23:37 AM
Huttons positioning is terrible. He must play wearing an invisible blind fold. He hasn't got better at all. He just tries.
No he's shite, but he's better than Bacuna, and still probably more reliable than Richards has been thus far. Micah is awful at CH and clearly doesn't want to play at RB.
In fact every senior player we have who can play right back needs shifting this summer. And that also says everything about what Garde has been dealt.

I thought Micah played very well at Right back against The Albion and West Ham.

he was ok, should have been sent off against the Albion, Still better than Hutton, one of the most frustrating players i've seen in a Villa shirt in my 30 odd years as a Villa fan
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on February 04, 2016, 12:34:18 PM
If you look at Klopp who is regarded as one of the best coaches in the world he has made little difference to the Liverpool team as he is stuck with Rodgers's squad same as Remi here.

I think  Remi in general has made us harder to beat and we look fitter , the problem is we lack goals and if he plays any other combination than Lescot/Okore at CB we are a shambles in defence.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 04, 2016, 12:36:38 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 04, 2016, 11:40:42 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: Dave on February 04, 2016, 11:33:11 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:31:01 AM
Huttons on 40k pw, it's going to be hard finding anyone dumb enough to pay for him and his wages.

According to who? I think that was reported as his wage when he joined us, but given he's signed a new contract since then I can't imagine we gave the same terms to somebody who we'd been actively trying to get rid of for most of this time with us.

Good point, completely forgot he signed a new contract last year. It should have a relegation clause in it too now which is something else I was worried about.
I dunno. After our treatment of him, I wouldn't imagine he'd have reduced his wage demands by much, if at all. I reckon he's on 30k at the very least.

I'd be surprised - bear in mind that in that time he had loan spells at Mallorca and Bolton and didn't seem to attract any interest from anybody interested in buying him permanently. So if he didn't sign whatever we put under his nose, he was likely looking at Bolton/Mallorca level wages for his next contract.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rigadon on February 04, 2016, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 04, 2016, 11:07:13 AM
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Sherwood lost 9 games in a row didn't he? So the fact Remi has got us several draws shows the progress

I think what it shows is that Garde has improved us from being a truly awful side to being one that has improved very very slightly. I think it also shows us how low our expectations have become that we accept this


I'm inclined to agree. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 04, 2016, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on February 04, 2016, 12:32:36 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on February 04, 2016, 12:19:06 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 04, 2016, 11:28:15 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:23:37 AM
Huttons positioning is terrible. He must play wearing an invisible blind fold. He hasn't got better at all. He just tries.
No he's shite, but he's better than Bacuna, and still probably more reliable than Richards has been thus far. Micah is awful at CH and clearly doesn't want to play at RB.
In fact every senior player we have who can play right back needs shifting this summer. And that also says everything about what Garde has been dealt.

I thought Micah played very well at Right back against The Albion and West Ham.

he was ok, should have been sent off against the Albion, Still better than Hutton, one of the most frustrating players i've seen in a Villa shirt in my 30 odd years as a Villa fan
It didn't seem to me like Micah really wants to be there. Whether he's happy to stay long term at Right back I don't know. He's made us look a little better defensively though, in fairness. He's not really bombing forward quite as we might have hoped though.

I think Hutton's problem, particularly since coming back under Lambert and then under Timmeh, is the fact he's been expected to provide our width on the right and at a point last season when we couldn't score goals under Lamberk, Hutton was actually our playmaker. He was the one player who seemed to have the onus on him to create. Which given he's crap with a ball at his feet, is ridiculous. He'd be far better if he was tasked with just defending and rarely crossing the half way line, which ironically Richards seems largely to be doing, despite having more ability to get up and down the line at speed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 04, 2016, 02:44:40 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on February 03, 2016, 11:37:43 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on February 03, 2016, 10:26:07 PM
Its all about opinions.  Sherwood  had his  hands tied as well with regards to transfers.  With the players I mentioned in my post before, he had us playing towards the end of last season and apart from the final we had our Villa back.  Forget Southampton and  Burnley games just before the cup final - remember we beat Ipswich 6-1 the week  before they  beat Arsenal  in 78.

Garde has to date overseen two very bad  4-0 defeats.  I am not saying Garde is such a bad manger but neither was Sherwood.

Actually the Southampton defeat was a  big warning sign we ignored ,those last 3 games inc the final we were hopeless , we were poor in preseason and carried on into this season the same way.
In terms of the transfers I can have sympathy that his hands were tied with some players , however the ones he picked Gestede and Richards have been woeful.

I said it at the time but I think the warning signs started in the second-half v West Ham. I thought we were flat and a little aimless. I worried then that something was amiss and that we were running out of steam. Southampton was one week later.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: seanthevillan on February 04, 2016, 07:10:50 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 04, 2016, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on February 04, 2016, 12:32:36 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on February 04, 2016, 12:19:06 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 04, 2016, 11:28:15 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 04, 2016, 11:23:37 AM
Huttons positioning is terrible. He must play wearing an invisible blind fold. He hasn't got better at all. He just tries.
No he's shite, but he's better than Bacuna, and still probably more reliable than Richards has been thus far. Micah is awful at CH and clearly doesn't want to play at RB.
In fact every senior player we have who can play right back needs shifting this summer. And that also says everything about what Garde has been dealt.

I thought Micah played very well at Right back against The Albion and West Ham.

he was ok, should have been sent off against the Albion, Still better than Hutton, one of the most frustrating players i've seen in a Villa shirt in my 30 odd years as a Villa fan
It didn't seem to me like Micah really wants to be there. Whether he's happy to stay long term at Right back I don't know. He's made us look a little better defensively though, in fairness. He's not really bombing forward quite as we might have hoped though.

I think Hutton's problem, particularly since coming back under Lambert and then under Timmeh, is the fact he's been expected to provide our width on the right and at a point last season when we couldn't score goals under Lamberk, Hutton was actually our playmaker. He was the one player who seemed to have the onus on him to create. Which given he's crap with a ball at his feet, is ridiculous. He'd be far better if he was tasked with just defending and rarely crossing the half way line, which ironically Richards seems largely to be doing, despite having more ability to get up and down the line at speed.

I agree - the Stoke game was the perfect example of this. Hutton, I think, has by and large done his best this season, he's just a very limited player.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on February 04, 2016, 09:32:08 PM
Hutton is dreadful , Cissoko is similar going forward ( useless) but his positional play and interceptions when defending is OK whereas Hutton is terrible a that to.
I hate seeing him in the lineup along with Guzan , Clark Richardson and Gestede, all of whom are terrible.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 05, 2016, 12:41:30 PM
 Garde said: "Modern football is about more short term than long term. In my case it's more about winning the next game."

That's a bit worrying, as previously he's talked very much in terms of it being a project he's working on. Also apparently he'll 'probably' review his future in the summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 05, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on February 05, 2016, 12:41:30 PM
Garde said: "Modern football is about more short term than long term. In my case it's more about winning the next game."

That's a bit worrying, as previously he's talked very much in terms of it being a project he's working on. Also apparently he'll 'probably' review his future in the summer.

The key word there is 'more'. To stay up, we have to win and that is what he is getting at.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on February 05, 2016, 01:56:36 PM
Well, after the transfer window that's just gone he'd be a fool not to be reviewing his future in the summer, whether you believe the club was unwilling or simply unable to back him or not. Lumping him (pun intended) with Agbonlahor again after everything Remi intimated about Gabba the Gut, probably being the final straw.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on February 05, 2016, 02:08:33 PM
Fair play to Pete Colley at the manager's press conference. He asked plenty of questions to highlight the stupidity of the Villa boardroom and pointed out to Remi how the fans are behind him.  I'm saddened that Remi was unable to confirm he would be with us beyond season's end, though.  The fact that we - yet again - have this wave of managerial instability flowing through the Club tells me - yet again - that those people in the Villa boardroom are totally incompetent. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 05, 2016, 02:28:27 PM
Quote from: peter w on February 04, 2016, 02:44:40 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on February 03, 2016, 11:37:43 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on February 03, 2016, 10:26:07 PM
Its all about opinions.  Sherwood  had his  hands tied as well with regards to transfers.  With the players I mentioned in my post before, he had us playing towards the end of last season and apart from the final we had our Villa back.  Forget Southampton and  Burnley games just before the cup final - remember we beat Ipswich 6-1 the week  before they  beat Arsenal  in 78.

Garde has to date overseen two very bad  4-0 defeats.  I am not saying Garde is such a bad manger but neither was Sherwood.

Actually the Southampton defeat was a  big warning sign we ignored ,those last 3 games inc the final we were hopeless , we were poor in preseason and carried on into this season the same way.
In terms of the transfers I can have sympathy that his hands were tied with some players , however the ones he picked Gestede and Richards have been woeful.

I said it at the time but I think the warning signs started in the second-half v West Ham. I thought we were flat and a little aimless. I worried then that something was amiss and that we were running out of steam. Southampton was one week later.

Totally agree Peter.  It was as if all the momentum of the previous few weeks just ebbed away and we were left hanging on.  We were awful after that. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 05, 2016, 02:45:01 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 05, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on February 05, 2016, 12:41:30 PM
Garde said: "Modern football is about more short term than long term. In my case it's more about winning the next game."

That's a bit worrying, as previously he's talked very much in terms of it being a project he's working on. Also apparently he'll 'probably' review his future in the summer.

The key word there is 'more'. To stay up, we have to win and that is what he is getting at.

Don't want to get all forensic but he actually said "Football is about short term". There were also some awkward silences when he was asked a couple of times about committing to next season.
Wouldn't blame him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on February 05, 2016, 02:50:30 PM
When any club is relegated all those involved will have to review their futures and Remi's could be out of his own control. For him to state that he is going to be here would just be making a rod for his own back given the nature of football journalism.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 05, 2016, 03:11:29 PM
I think he will be at the club next season. But a lot of things need to happen, and some very difficult conversations will need to take place. He's been let down. Of that there is little doubt and he needs firm assurances that come the inevitable that the club and critically the board will be absolutely united and behind him on the promotion push. Next summer is arguably the most important we will have in 30 years so we need everyone pulling in one direction. If Garde gets the funds he needs, the staff and crucially the reduction of noise and distraction off the field then he can get about doing his job. Watching him today, you have to just love how he conducts himself and the decorum that brings to the mess around him. I truly hope he is our manager next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2016, 03:22:46 PM
Here's something from the Blunderland perspective (http://www.theguardian.com/football/the-set-pieces-blog/2016/feb/05/sunderland-relegation-fans-premier-league-newcastle-sam-allardyce#comment-68118227).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on February 05, 2016, 04:00:31 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 05, 2016, 03:11:29 PM
I think he will be at the club next season. But a lot of things need to happen, and some very difficult conversations will need to take place. He's been let down. Of that there is little doubt and he needs firm assurances that come the inevitable that the club and critically the board will be absolutely united and behind him on the promotion push. Next summer is arguably the most important we will have in 30 years so we need everyone pulling in one direction. If Garde gets the funds he needs, the staff and crucially the reduction of noise and distraction off the field then he can get about doing his job. Watching him today, you have to just love how he conducts himself and the decorum that brings to the mess around him. I truly hope he is our manager next season.

I think last summer was probably the most important in 30 years
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: steamer on February 05, 2016, 08:26:28 PM
 :) it was but this will be our most important in 31
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BC Villain on February 05, 2016, 08:43:46 PM
I know they have a reputation for being anti Villa, but "Rego" actually made a decent point tonight about the Sherwood/Garde debate.

Basically, Sherwood came in last season with a swagger and arrogance to give us a lift when we needed.  But eventually you need more than tub thumping to carry it on.  No tactical savvy.

Can't judge Remi as he hasn't got his own players in,  are more organised and were at West Ham, but with ten men it was too much to hold out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 05, 2016, 09:02:38 PM
Quote from: BC Villain on February 05, 2016, 08:43:46 PM
I know they have a reputation for being anti Villa, but "Rego" actually made a decent point tonight about the Sherwood/Garde debate.

Basically, Sherwood came in last season with a swagger and arrogance to give us a lift when we needed.  But eventually you need more than tub thumping to carry it on.  No tactical savvy.

Can't judge Remi as he hasn't got his own players in,  are more organised and were at West Ham, but with ten men it was too much to hold out.

It's not inconceivable that had someone else been managing Villa from the start of the season and then Sherwood came in with the club having lost 7 straight or whatever it was, then he might have given us that lift to kickstart things. It wouldn't have been sustainable long term as we know now. Then again, he might have come in, seen all these foreigners and made it significantly worse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on February 05, 2016, 09:58:38 PM
I guess Remi can't say for definite whether he's going to be here or not next season because the choice won't necessarily be in his hands.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on February 05, 2016, 10:13:52 PM
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I guess Remi can't say for definite whether he's going to be here or not next season because the choice won't necessarily be in his hands

Yes, fact is he'll have been in charge for 2/3 of the season come May so his won/loss/draw record will be all that matters to the board. There won't be any allowances made for the squad he inherited.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 05, 2016, 10:25:05 PM
I think he has been royally screwed in the window, you can see that tomorrow when the only striker we have fit is Gabby who has not scored a goal since the dinosaurs were wandering about.

At that point, I reckon there is more chance of us starting next season with Mourinho than Garde at the moment. Watching him today it could not be more clear. Not even a non committal "I would like to be" type statement.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on February 05, 2016, 11:01:40 PM
The chaos is what gets to me. They talk about a club in crisis but they have caused it and are seemingly intent on maintaining it.

Throw another manager on the bonfire.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 05, 2016, 11:20:02 PM
He said he wants to see if he fits in with the plans....It doesn't sound good to me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve R on February 05, 2016, 11:29:56 PM
Something may happen between now and the end of the season to change his mind, but right now he's going to be off like a rocket.

Nobody can say whether he is THE manager to lead us back to the top end of the league, but he is certainly the type of manager we will need to get there. And I wouldn't put a heap of money on us finding someone of a similar ilk if he goes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 05, 2016, 11:36:05 PM
Maybe the board are happy for him to walk as they aren't impressed by him? Who knows? I hope not though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on February 05, 2016, 11:37:50 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3434140/Aston-Villa-manager-Remi-Garde-reveals-frustrations-club-blocked-1million-loan-bid-Arsenal-defender-Mathieu-Debuchy.html#article-3434140

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Remi Garde’s frustrations in the transfer window can be revealed further after it emerged the Aston Villa manager clashed with sporting director Hendrik Almstadt over the transfer of Mathieu Debuchy.
The Arsenal right-back was a target for Garde during January and it is understood talks were held between the two Frenchman at Bodymoor Heath with Arsene Wenger’s blessing in the middle of last month.
Almstadt, though, is thought to have been angry at his limited role in negotiations and told Garde as such, prompting a riposte.

In the end the deal did not progress because Villa’s financial team, including head of recruitment Paddy Riley, were reluctant to spend more than £1million on any loan fee and Garde prioritised bringing in a goalkeeper and striker, now known to be Lovre Kalinic and Seydou Doumbia.
Almstadt denies there was a conflict over the prospective move for Debuchy, who ended up joining Bordeaux on loan. Garde has spoken publicly about his deep disappointment at failing to bring in any players during the winter window, having been promised funds to make signings upon his appointment in November.
Garde believed an injection of fresh faces would reinvigorate his squad’s attempts to claw themselves to an unlikely position of safety, off the back of a three-match unbeaten sequence.
But new chairman Steve Hollis, chief executive Tom Fox as well as Almstadt and Riley reasoned any incomings had to be balanced out against the likelihood of relegation to the Championship, a view that hardened after earlier defeats to Norwich and Sunderland.

Supporters view a failure to land any targets as the club giving up on this season and accepting dropping a division was inevitable. Garde took a highly active role in transfers over January, speaking at length with Doumbia in an effort to convince the Roma centre-forward to join.
Almstadt and Riley also flew out to the Italian capital to talk through a deal. But Doumbia opted to move to relegation rivals Newcastle instead.
Garde’s attempts to sign Bordeaux winger Wahbi Khazri failed on money grounds, and he subsequently joined Sunderland for £9million. Villa also failed to get a work permit for Hadjuk Split goalkeeper Kalinic despite agreeing a £4.9m fee and personal terms.
Garde will consider his position at the end of the season after his experiences last month, but the Villa board are understood to maintain faith the 49-year-old will not walk out before then.
‘As a new manager I would have expected new faces to support my change,’ Garde has said. 'Not only for me but the club. We missed these targets.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 05, 2016, 11:38:08 PM
If Garde goes it's another reason for that twat Fox to go for a long walk, 3 managers he'll have given contracts to in about 20 months.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 05, 2016, 11:47:33 PM
If and its a big IF, but if any of that story about transfers is true, EVERY sinlge one of the management team is an absolute fucking wanker, with the total exception of Remi.

If I were him, I'd tell the the lot of them to shove it up their arse and walk away.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 05, 2016, 11:49:31 PM
It's an unfortunate situation all around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: BC Villain on February 05, 2016, 11:54:02 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 05, 2016, 11:47:33 PM
If and its a big IF, but if any of that story about transfers is true, EVERY sinlge one of the management team is an absolute fucking wanker, with the total exception of Remi.

If I were him, I'd tell the the lot of them to shove it up their arse and walk away.

Hasn't Fox gone on record to say Almstadt isn't involved in transfers?

No wonder Garde is pissed off working with people sticking their oar in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 06, 2016, 12:01:24 AM
This:

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But new chairman Steve Hollis, chief executive Tom Fox as well as Almstadt and Riley reasoned any incomings had to be balanced out against the likelihood of relegation to the Championship, a view that hardened after earlier defeats to Norwich and Sunderland.

Talk about short sighted. It's like they don't fully understand the financial hit of being in the championship.

Still, so long as it doesn't affect the new shirt deal and improved commercials elsewhere, that's all fine.

What a basket case of a club we are.

Even Newcastle are prepared to spend to stay in the top flight. Our useless "leaders" don't even seem to understand that.

They've hung Garde out to dry.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Urban Guevilla on February 06, 2016, 12:24:42 AM
So... If we get relegated, I hope Garde stays, as he can build a team from the bottom up, get rid of the dead wood, and keep the players he wants to keep. The prize money to get relegated from the premiership is £97 million. The board in essence have a 12 month honeymoon period before the premier league money dries up.
I truly believe our season nose dived when we got hammered last season by Southmpton, 5-1, then 4.0 in the cup final, since the it's been a calamity, our best players leaving, not replacing with the same quality, going through managers, Lerner wanting to sell, board members coming and going, fans not happy. Our Famous Aston Villa need stability, consistency, calm heads, and passionate ferocious fans to get us back where we belong. In my humble opinion, & I'm no footballing expert  but I think Garde fits the bill he is the calming influence, the club needs to settle down, regroup from top to bottom, to stop us bouncing along the sea bed as the dirty bottom feeder we have been over the last 3 to 4 years.
As all of us I hate this situation the club are in, we were looking forward to the start of a bright new season this quickly led into despair, then into anger, then into disbelief, now for me into there's a realisation the club has to fix it & fix it quickly leading into next season wherever we end up. So that we can all focus on what's important, supporting our great club.....
UTV..
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 06, 2016, 01:14:02 AM
Trouble is when he goes in May, who the hell do we go for?

Pearson is the most likely but no one would want him surely.

Monk looks like the second coming of Paul Jewell to me, Swansea were wretched under him for a long time before he was sacked.

Moyes won't touch it.

I would go for someone like Warbutton but even he, with Rangers back in the SPL next season I doubt would take it.

Dyche is going to get Burnley up so looks highly unlikely

It is not an inspiring list of what is available.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 06, 2016, 01:19:04 AM
I'm not surprised that any clash was over Debuchy, I said as much on here a few days back, but I doubt it's the reason they've given in that story.  I'd heard from a gooner friend that the loan fee was very high and they wanted a clause to make it permanent if we stayed up.  Apparently the main reason Debuchy dragged his feet was that he didn't want to commit to the permanent move but arsenal wouldn't back down on it if he moved within the league.  I'm skeptical though because I don't really know where he'd have got this from, I suspect it was a cockney version of Eastie on one of their forums.

It mail story does however back my thinking that Garde decided to focus on Doumbia and Kalinic and neither of those can really be blamed on the board for not happening.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 06, 2016, 02:31:11 AM
Hollis really has had one of the worst starts to any Club appointment I can remember. The man has not put a foot right.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on February 06, 2016, 06:10:56 AM
Ozzjim I'd say that out of the ones you have mentioned, Pearson is the only choice. He'll never claim to be liked but he'd be effective. We'd probably go foreign though, based on our last manager search.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 06, 2016, 08:08:13 AM
our shirt deal has a substantial reduction if when we are relegated and if i was garde i would be very wary of being backed in the summer

i caught 5 mins of talkshite last night and i dont know who fully sympathised for how he had not been backed and said they would have more respect for him if he walked for the way he has been treated as opposed to staying for the money. it doesnt help us but i am inclined to agree
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on February 06, 2016, 08:10:19 AM
It seems it isn't just on the pitch that we have a lot of dead wood.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 06, 2016, 08:26:35 AM
What everybody other than Remi Garde does not understand is that it is essential for the club not to wither and die between now and May. What Garde knows, because he is an intelligent football man and they are not is that the close season between May and August is not long enough to rebuild a squad so full of weakness in so many positions, so low in confidence and so riven by dissent.

The relegation threat has become a sideshow.  Yes, new faces could have boosted our slim chances of survival but far, far more important than that it would have generated some momentum and created the chance that we would hit the ground running in the Championship.

We all saw what a pig's ear the club and the manager made of last years laughable "preparation" for this season.  If the board and Riley and Almstadt think momentum, confidence, fitness, team spirit, unity of purpose and morale can simply be turned on like a switch by Remi Garde in the summer break, none of them, Fox, Hollis, Riley or Almstadt is fit to hold their jobs.  As I commented  at the close of the January window, they have done the manager up like a kipper.

If rigor mortis now sets in, and with Remi Garde so disconsolate, there is every chance that it will, we are looking at next Christmas before we start winning games.  That is not alarmism or defeatism on my part it is a facing of the facts of what happens when the in fighting and discord of the dressing room spreads to the board room.

Who is to blame for this?  Without a doubt Randy Lerner for allowing his absenteeism to generate a culture of turf wars and job politics to take hold at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 06, 2016, 08:28:04 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 06, 2016, 12:01:24 AM
This:

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But new chairman Steve Hollis, chief executive Tom Fox as well as Almstadt and Riley reasoned any incomings had to be balanced out against the likelihood of relegation to the Championship, a view that hardened after earlier defeats to Norwich and Sunderland.

Talk about short sighted. It's like they don't fully understand the financial hit of being in the championship.

Still, so long as it doesn't affect the new shirt deal and improved commercials elsewhere, that's all fine.

What a basket case of a club we are.

Even Newcastle are prepared to spend to stay in the top flight. Our useless "leaders" don't even seem to understand that.

They've hung Garde out to dry.

Yep they're a bunch of absolute amateurs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on February 06, 2016, 08:33:28 AM
This Almstadt sounds a right jerk. What with number cruncher Hollis now involved were heading for League 1 with the boards "Strategy" What a mess - give these board wankers both barrels today!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Adam Gittins on February 06, 2016, 09:02:04 AM
Quote from: brian green on February 06, 2016, 08:26:35 AM
What everybody other than Remi Garde does not understand is that it is essential for the club not to wither and die between now and May. What Garde knows, because he is an intelligent football man and they are not is that the close season between May and August is not long enough to rebuild a squad so full of weakness in so many positions, so low in confidence and so riven by dissent.

Quite. My one hope is that Remi will make this point clear and Hollis, as a chairman rather than an exec, will have had less direct involvement in actual negotiations and will in fact now hold those accountable who made such a mess of it. If in fact we have just followed through on a transfer strategy that was agreed after the disastrous Christmas run of results then surely Remi would have known about it before the 1st of February?

I am of course clutching at straws.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 06, 2016, 09:21:54 AM
Momentum is key, we have to accept that many teams we play against next season will raise their game when they play us. Making it doubly difficult to get out of the Championship quickly. Debuchy probably wasn't needed in truth, but would have added a little quality and perhaps helped to slow the decline into the second tier. Garde should have Benn backed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 06, 2016, 09:24:08 AM
I don't think he'll walk, he's just making sure his hand is stronger come May to pick the five or so incoming players he will need aid in brassing the Championship up.

The last thing the board need or want to be doing is searching for a new manager in May. They've hung him out to dry in January and all parties know that, which gives Garde leverage come transfer time in the summer; back me or I'll walk and you risk hanging around with the Micky Mouse clubs indefinitely.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rigadon on February 06, 2016, 09:29:31 AM
I don't think he's being that calculated, Ads.  Rather, I think he's trying to live down the clubs collective failure in not managing to sign a single football player in a month-long transfer window.  He is the only one being interviewed about it after all.

I know the damned if they do argument, but the fact the clubs hierarchy hasn't made any statement about signing players means that Garde has to. 

I think he'll be off come May and also that the club are already be sounding out future managers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 06, 2016, 09:38:29 AM
Quote from: Rigadon on February 06, 2016, 09:29:31 AM
I don't think he's being that calculated, Ads.  Rather, I think he's trying to live down the clubs collective failure in not managing to sign a single football player in a month-long transfer window.  He is the only one being interviewed about it after all.

I know the damned if they do argument, but the fact the clubs hierarchy hasn't made any statement about signing players means that Garde has to. 

I think he'll be off come May and also that the club are already be sounding out future managers.

agree with that

cant see how them fucking him over and him taking it makes his hand stronger, more like the opposite for me
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on February 06, 2016, 09:38:57 AM
We simply had to get a striker in, even if you accept that we're going down. While we can muddle along with Bunn in goal, and Richards playing right back, the failure to sign anyone slightly more capable of scoring a goal (or even moving) than our current trio of lumbering forwards, has put paid to any hopes we might string together a few victories. So come the summer we'll still have the narrative of 'basket case football club' swirling around us, no confidence, no momentum, and in all likelihood no manager either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 06, 2016, 09:42:57 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 06, 2016, 01:14:02 AM
Trouble is when he goes in May, who the hell do we go for?

Pearson is the most likely but no one would want him surely.

Monk looks like the second coming of Paul Jewell to me, Swansea were wretched under him for a long time before he was sacked.

Moyes won't touch it.

I would go for someone like Warbutton but even he, with Rangers back in the SPL next season I doubt would take it.

Dyche is going to get Burnley up so looks highly unlikely

It is not an inspiring list of what is available.

Plus they'd need to be willing to be undermined and screwed over by gormless suits hiding behind the scenes avoiding the real flak whilst they get called a wanker every other weekend. So basically someone desperate.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 06, 2016, 10:49:23 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on February 06, 2016, 02:31:11 AM
Hollis really has had one of the worst starts to any Club appointment I can remember. The man has not put a foot right.

Randy Lerner appointment In Terrible Start....Shocker.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 06, 2016, 10:50:10 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/remi-garde-need-decide-whether-10848478

That's him off then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 06, 2016, 10:59:10 AM
That was blindingly obvious when he said I shall be here in May. He knew the full implications of what he was saying.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 06, 2016, 11:05:55 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on February 06, 2016, 10:49:23 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on February 06, 2016, 02:31:11 AM
Hollis really has had one of the worst starts to any Club appointment I can remember. The man has not put a foot right.

Randy Lerner appointment In Terrible Start....Shocker.

He is our very own Mr Bumble with little Remi playing Oliver asking for more
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 06, 2016, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: Ads on February 06, 2016, 09:24:08 AM
I don't think he'll walk, he's just making sure his hand is stronger come May to pick the five or so incoming players he will need aid in brassing the Championship up.

The last thing the board need or want to be doing is searching for a new manager in May. They've hung him out to dry in January and all parties know that, which gives Garde leverage come transfer time in the summer; back me or I'll walk and you risk hanging around with the Micky Mouse clubs indefinitely.

I hope for once you're right, Ads.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 06, 2016, 11:24:16 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 06, 2016, 09:42:57 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 06, 2016, 01:14:02 AM
Trouble is when he goes in May, who the hell do we go for?

Pearson is the most likely but no one would want him surely.

Monk looks like the second coming of Paul Jewell to me, Swansea were wretched under him for a long time before he was sacked.

Moyes won't touch it.

I would go for someone like Warbutton but even he, with Rangers back in the SPL next season I doubt would take it.

Dyche is going to get Burnley up so looks highly unlikely

It is not an inspiring list of what is available.

Plus they'd need to be willing to be undermined and screwed over by gormless suits hiding behind the scenes avoiding the real flak whilst they get called a wanker every other weekend. So basically someone desperate.

It will more than likely be someone none of us ever gave a thought to from a far flung land that is going to fit in with 'the exciting project.'  Us trying to be ingenious and thinking of someone that no one else has thought of and then wondering why it doesn't work in the shit kickers league.

Sometimes our custodians remind me of the Tom Baker line in Blackadder on the need for a crew on a ship.  'Opinion is divided on it.  Every other sailor says you need a crew, I say you don't.'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on February 06, 2016, 11:27:22 AM
If he does leave and we got pearson, I would be happy with that, but I do think to have to replace another manager would be a blow.  With a bit of luck the club and current manager are planning for the Championship, and we can get a few solid Championship pros in during the summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on February 06, 2016, 11:33:48 AM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 06, 2016, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: Ads on February 06, 2016, 09:24:08 AM
I don't think he'll walk, he's just making sure his hand is stronger come May to pick the five or so incoming players he will need aid in brassing the Championship up.

The last thing the board need or want to be doing is searching for a new manager in May. They've hung him out to dry in January and all parties know that, which gives Garde leverage come transfer time in the summer; back me or I'll walk and you risk hanging around with the Micky Mouse clubs indefinitely.

I hope for once you're right, Ads.

I tend to agree with Ads. I don't think it suits either party for him to walk away. The club are not going to want to start again and Remi has nothing to show for his time here that would make getting another job a formality.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 06, 2016, 11:50:30 AM
Dyche (of whom I'm a fan) has signed a new deal at Burnley. Purely to increase their compo when we take him in the summer I'm certain (winky thing)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 06, 2016, 11:51:39 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on February 06, 2016, 11:33:48 AM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 06, 2016, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: Ads on February 06, 2016, 09:24:08 AM
I don't think he'll walk, he's just making sure his hand is stronger come May to pick the five or so incoming players he will need aid in brassing the Championship up.

The last thing the board need or want to be doing is searching for a new manager in May. They've hung him out to dry in January and all parties know that, which gives Garde leverage come transfer time in the summer; back me or I'll walk and you risk hanging around with the Micky Mouse clubs indefinitely.

I hope for once you're right, Ads.

I tend to agree with Ads. I don't think it suits either party for him to walk away. The club are not going to want to start again and Remi has nothing to show for his time here that would make getting another job a formality.

Agreed, Chris. The club are still going to have to sell him the 'project' for next season and beyond and convince him they'll actually stick to their word.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 06, 2016, 11:58:48 AM
I agree with all that logic, Ads, Chris, Rudy but, massive generalisation alert, he is French and almost certainly has a Gallic streak of fire under the cool exterior.  I hope I am wrong because I rate him highly I don't want May to be pay pack time for his humiliation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 06, 2016, 12:02:17 PM
The article about Debuchy is completely fictitious. Almstadt has absolutely nothing to do with transfers in any shape or form.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 06, 2016, 12:08:55 PM
The thought has struck me that every lazy jibe hurled our way has been to defend a British manager. St Martin - driven out by the Americans. McLeish - fans never gave him a chance because of where he came from. Sherwood - transfer committee, French players, American CEO. Every one inaccurate, every one accepted as fact because we don't fight our PR corner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 06, 2016, 12:15:07 PM
And also painted as if we should be grateful we have managed to capture such mediocrity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 06, 2016, 12:32:57 PM
I hate this word 'project' that everyone uses in football these days, rather than plan. A project has an end to it. Aston Villa is here to stay and therefore project does not fit with our future. There are short term plans, medium term plans and long term plans, all linked together.

The end of the season is when we should make those plans. We have missed an opportunity to implement a short term plan with the closing of the transfer window, so we move on.

I am sure the club are considering the two scenarios, staying up or relegation but until it's mathematically certain of relegation they cannot switch the first off. Hence, nobody at the club can commit to a definite plan for the future. This means Remi Garde cannot say categorically that he will be here next season.

The media are telling it one way to create the bigger news and some supporters are accepting it to either suit their mood of depression or to suit their mood of anger of the running of the club.

If I was Remi Garde going into a press conference, I would say "Before taking any questions I am telling you now that I will not answer any questions about my future. If you ask them I will not answer them and, if that was the only reason for you coming today, you may as well leave now".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 06, 2016, 12:33:31 PM
If Garde walked away in the summer (or now, even) his stock is still pretty high in France.

I'm sure there would be other clubs on the continent as well as the Gulf States and the Far East who would be interested too.

So I don't think he has to stay, for fear of damage to his future job prospects.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 06, 2016, 12:38:36 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 06, 2016, 12:32:57 PM

If I was Remi Garde going into a press conference, I would say "Before taking any questions I am telling you now that I will not answer any questions about my future. If you ask them I will not answer them and, if that was the only reason for you coming today, you may as well leave now".

Yes, that would quell the speculation.

Even managers who we've known are for the high jump would generally talk about next season and putting their stamp on the club.

You could say Garde is a straight shooter and doesn't want to enter into all that nonsense, but the knock on effect of that is if he sounds vague about his future he'll continue to be asked about it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 06, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
If Garde does walk in May, my fear is that Villa only seem to appoint those who are available (cheap!). Hopefully they grow a pair and piss another club off by approaching a Manager already in situ and doing a decent job at another club.  Er, or we go for Moyes!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 06, 2016, 01:30:50 PM
You are completely right Dave.  We never put our side of the circumstances.  We seem obsessed as a club to promote the image of dignified silence which declares open season for anybody to tell whatever lies grab them the most attention.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 06, 2016, 01:37:42 PM
Makes me laugh when numpties like Redknap and others criticise us for 'going foreign'

Over the last 25 years we have a British/Irish manager in all but 13 months of that time
Including the previous three, which is partly why we are where we are now
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rico on February 06, 2016, 02:04:47 PM
What was the point in appointing Garde if the club weren't going to back him in January?  It's just doesn't make sense and is another example of the lack of foresight and planning that seems to emanate from the club these days. It was clear to everyone that the squad is not up to it, yet they've hung Garde out to dry by not backing him. If they were going to stick with the same players that started the season they may as well of stuck with Sherwood and saved the pay off. I wouldn't blame Remi if he walks out any day now. We are a shambles!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 06, 2016, 02:15:08 PM
We have to bear in mind that Kalinic was all but signed but the F.A tucked that up for us and Doumbia chose the bar codes. So Garde was sort of backed. The issue here is that there didn't appear to be alternatives available.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2016, 02:39:08 PM
Quote from: Newby on February 06, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
If Garde does walk in May, my fear is that Villa only seem to appoint those who are available (cheap!). Hopefully they grow a pair and piss another club off by approaching a Manager already in situ and doing a decent job at another club.  Er, or we go for Moyes!

Again a myth. Was McLeish cheap? I bet MON wasn't. Lambert probably got paid what he was worth. He was someone the fans wanted. And Sherwood I am sure didn't come free.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 06, 2016, 02:51:27 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2016, 02:39:08 PM
Quote from: Newby on February 06, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
If Garde does walk in May, my fear is that Villa only seem to appoint those who are available (cheap!). Hopefully they grow a pair and piss another club off by approaching a Manager already in situ and doing a decent job at another club.  Er, or we go for Moyes!

Again a myth. Was McLeish cheap? I bet MON wasn't. Lambert probably got paid what he was worth. He was someone the fans wanted. And Sherwood I am sure didn't come free.

Cheap as in easy to appoint because they were available.  Lambert and TSM had both resigned from their clubs but Villa got outflanked and paid some compo anyway, not sure why.  With Sherwood, we didn't have to pay any because he was free.  I also recall the General saying that we didn't want to disrupt other clubs again and wouldn't approach their Manager's.  We are far too nice a club.  We don't seem to stick up for ourselves with the press and now seem to have a thing about appointing Manager's who are already available.  What we actually pay them when they are here isn't what I am saying. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on February 06, 2016, 07:41:06 PM
English comprehension isn't his strong point.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2016, 07:56:11 PM
Quote from: bob on February 06, 2016, 07:41:06 PM
English comprehension isn't his strong point.

Isn't who's strong point?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on February 06, 2016, 08:03:50 PM
Case closed!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2016, 08:09:28 PM
Quote from: bob on February 06, 2016, 08:03:50 PM
Case closed!

What are you on about? So was your initial comment directed towards me?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 06, 2016, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: Newby on February 06, 2016, 02:51:27 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2016, 02:39:08 PM
Quote from: Newby on February 06, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
If Garde does walk in May, my fear is that Villa only seem to appoint those who are available (cheap!). Hopefully they grow a pair and piss another club off by approaching a Manager already in situ and doing a decent job at another club.  Er, or we go for Moyes!

Again a myth. Was McLeish cheap? I bet MON wasn't. Lambert probably got paid what he was worth. He was someone the fans wanted. And Sherwood I am sure didn't come free.

Cheap as in easy to appoint because they were available.  Lambert and TSM had both resigned from their clubs but Villa got outflanked and paid some compo anyway, not sure why.  With Sherwood, we didn't have to pay any because he was free.  I also recall the General saying that we didn't want to disrupt other clubs again and wouldn't approach their Manager's.  We are far too nice a club.  We don't seem to stick up for ourselves with the press and now seem to have a thing about appointing Manager's who are already available.  What we actually pay them when they are here isn't what I am saying. 
Lambert was effectively tapped up by us.
Not sure what point you're really making. And, we've paid these suckers loads (look at the £2.8m gaff that Lambert was selling).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ger Regan on February 06, 2016, 08:32:32 PM
Quote from: Mister E on February 06, 2016, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: Newby on February 06, 2016, 02:51:27 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2016, 02:39:08 PM
Quote from: Newby on February 06, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
If Garde does walk in May, my fear is that Villa only seem to appoint those who are available (cheap!). Hopefully they grow a pair and piss another club off by approaching a Manager already in situ and doing a decent job at another club.  Er, or we go for Moyes!

Again a myth. Was McLeish cheap? I bet MON wasn't. Lambert probably got paid what he was worth. He was someone the fans wanted. And Sherwood I am sure didn't come free.

Cheap as in easy to appoint because they were available.  Lambert and TSM had both resigned from their clubs but Villa got outflanked and paid some compo anyway, not sure why.  With Sherwood, we didn't have to pay any because he was free.  I also recall the General saying that we didn't want to disrupt other clubs again and wouldn't approach their Manager's.  We are far too nice a club.  We don't seem to stick up for ourselves with the press and now seem to have a thing about appointing Manager's who are already available.  What we actually pay them when they are here isn't what I am saying. 
Lambert was effectively tapped up by us.
Not sure what point you're really making. And, we've paid these suckers loads (look at the £2.8m gaff that Lambert was selling).
As was McLeish. Both resigned because we were after them, not the other way round.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 06, 2016, 08:59:59 PM
Since Garde has found a settled side and formation (after the Sunderland game) we have only lost one in five league games and that was Tuesday night when we were down to ten men.  I think the structure of the side is pretty sound now we just need better quality in a few areas.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 06, 2016, 09:02:56 PM
Having a bit of pace up front today helped. It would be nice to see the Gabby of today's form coupled with Ayew's guile. That's probably our best chance of putting some quality up front.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 06, 2016, 09:07:34 PM
Be even quicker with Adama.  Va Va Voom.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ger Regan on February 06, 2016, 09:09:13 PM
When is adama due back actually? Should be soon enough I would have thought?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 06, 2016, 09:11:04 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 06, 2016, 09:02:56 PM
Having a bit of pace up front today helped. It would be nice to see the Gabby of today's form coupled with Ayew's guile. That's probably our best chance of putting some quality up front.

Agree Ads.  Our lack of pace in the final third is a problem and Agbonlahor could help if he shows the kind of form he did in the second half today.  Ayew and him up front with Gestede or Kozak on the bench to come on if we need to go direct in the final stages.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: spangley1812 on February 06, 2016, 09:13:20 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on February 06, 2016, 09:09:13 PM
When is adama due back actually? Should be soon enough I would have thought?

Early March according to Physioroom.com
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 06, 2016, 10:28:49 PM
He's clearly got the squad unified, we need to keep him at the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on February 06, 2016, 10:35:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on February 06, 2016, 10:28:49 PM
He's clearly got the squad unified, we need to keep him at the club.
Agree, he is getting improved results with such limited resources. I have felt since Xmas that this guy actually knows what he is doing. I really hope we fans can help pursuance him to stay.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on February 06, 2016, 10:50:23 PM
This bloke is the real deal, love him!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 06, 2016, 10:53:38 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on February 06, 2016, 10:50:23 PM
This bloke is the real deal, love him!
me too , im starting to worry I love him too much!!!
in a football way obviously
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 06, 2016, 10:57:55 PM
everytime I watch him on the telly , he honestly makes me smile
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2016, 10:58:51 PM
He says smart things. Things that sound obvious but are too often glossed over by "football speak". The usual cliched nonsense. I love his use of always emphasizing the "collective". It's what he has done and he is even starting to bring the some of the disenchanted with him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 06, 2016, 11:08:55 PM
Don't get too attached, he is gone come May. Far too honest and honourable for our board.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 06, 2016, 11:17:49 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 06, 2016, 11:08:55 PM
Don't get too attached, he is gone come May. Far too honest and honourable for our board.
spoilsport
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on February 06, 2016, 11:34:38 PM
And some people still think he is doing no better than Sherwood was (or would have) this season
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 06, 2016, 11:55:08 PM
I loved seeing Remi look genuinely happy when Gabby scored today. He deserves it and hopefully this is a catalyst for him staying.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 07, 2016, 12:26:35 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2016, 10:58:51 PM
He says smart things. Things that sound obvious but are too often glossed over by "football speak". The usual cliched nonsense. I love his use of always emphasizing the "collective". It's what he has done and he is even starting to bring the some of the disenchanted with him.

He spoke about the short term nature of management earlier in the week, but I am beginning to hope Garde could have a long term future with us.  I certainly hope the Board are trying to reassure him that he will be supported in the future.  I think he has made a breakthrough in terms of the system and style he wants us to play and the results are slowly but surely coming.  What he needs now is the support to bring in better quality players to move us on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 07, 2016, 12:30:05 AM
If he can get Richards being an asset at right back, like he was today, that'd be ideal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 07, 2016, 12:36:23 AM
I am not sure Richards can be corrected. Not impressed with his performance today at RB.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 07, 2016, 12:39:53 AM
Quote from: olaftab on February 07, 2016, 12:36:23 AM
I am not sure Richards can be corrected. Not impressed with his performance today at RB.

Me neither.  One to try and move on in the summer.  We need a new RB next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on February 07, 2016, 01:33:30 AM
Quote from: olaftab on February 07, 2016, 12:36:23 AM
I am not sure Richards can be corrected. Not impressed with his performance today at RB.

Wierdly his attacking threat is worse at Rb than at CB , at CB he would go on some marauding runs upfield but at RB he seems very reluctant to go forward and when he does he his poor.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 07, 2016, 01:48:15 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 06, 2016, 12:08:55 PM
The thought has struck me that every lazy jibe hurled our way has been to defend a British manager. St Martin - driven out by the Americans. McLeish - fans never gave him a chance because of where he came from. Sherwood - transfer committee, French players, American CEO. Every one inaccurate, every one accepted as fact because we don't fight our PR corner.

Well Fox did come out and say the transfer committee thing was incorrect so I'm not sure that one is right. O'Neill has his mates in the press and McLeish was lazy journalism. The same lazy journalism calling for Liverpool to play Benteke as a Peter Crouch type player. I think there is some mileage in what you're saying but mistakes we made in not giving access to the press in Lerner's first days and banning of other members of the press has made us come across as arrogant and aloof. That's why the media are happy to put the boot in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 07, 2016, 07:49:49 AM
The longer Remi Garde stays the more I like him and the more I believe he should be given the chance directly to change the team performance and indirectly change the manager/board relationship.

However, having witnessed so many years of the club hierarchy snatching idiocy from the jaws of forward planning I have serious doubts about Garde staying for next season.  I have a vision of Lerner doing a Young Mr Grace and telling the board they all have done very well in making the second half of the season much less of a biblical massacre than the first half.  The board will take this as a vote of confidence and sustain the penny pinching policy through the summer.

In short if Remi Garde is to bring in players of sufficient quality to bring about the renaissance of the team, risks will have to be taken.  The manager's judgement will have to be backed by adequately large sums of money.  That was the reality they gagged on in January and I fear that they will gag over the definition of adequate in the summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2016, 08:39:24 AM
Hopefully the new board members will quickly realise backing and retaining Garde is the best way by far to keep the fans with them.

I love the bloke, but I've been surprised at the number of other fans I've spoken to who feel the same way, not people who post on here but ordinary fans of all ages.

I think it comes down to integrity. The man has it, it contrasts sharply with many of his peers, and it shines through.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on February 07, 2016, 09:08:45 AM
Well Moxley wants us to ditch manager, many players plus Fox and his mates. A bit from his Mirror piece...
Take Garde, for instance.

It was a gamble, bringing in a French manager, even though Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger had given his fellow countryman a reference.

The former Lyon boss knew little of English ­football, save for 30-odd ­appearances ­under Wenger at Highbury. Not his fault, admittedly.

But he has not tried ­anything ­different. Not come up with any coherent plan. He may be steady and sensible,
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 07, 2016, 09:11:53 AM
Agree one hundred percent Lee.  It is all the more amazing because we, the fans, have become inured to objectionable managers.  The natural reaction in such a situation would have been that he will be the same as all the others.  He is very different.  We must do everything humanly possible to keep him and if that includes making Randy Lerner's accountants shit their pants sobeit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on February 07, 2016, 09:12:41 AM
Moxley said that Villa needed more than that.
As for next year?.......
And what of Championship football? Another subject he knows little about.

Garde would not have the first idea about the kind of characters needed to fashion a successful promotion push.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 07, 2016, 09:14:50 AM
I was in the same class at school as Moxley's father.  He was a rabid blue nose prick.  Must be in the DNA.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on February 07, 2016, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: David_Nab on February 07, 2016, 01:33:30 AM
Quote from: olaftab on February 07, 2016, 12:36:23 AM
I am not sure Richards can be corrected. Not impressed with his performance today at RB.

Wierdly his attacking threat is worse at Rb than at CB , at CB he would go on some marauding runs upfield but at RB he seems very reluctant to go forward and when he does he his poor.

I think he is playing to orders, trying to keep some defensive shape rather than how we were getting caught out previously by quick counters with full backs stuck upfield.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 07, 2016, 09:18:46 AM
Quote from: brian green on February 07, 2016, 09:14:50 AM
I was in the same class at school as Moxley's father.  He was a rabid blue nose prick.  Must be in the DNA.

The article that walsall villa is talking about is an ignorant pile of nonsense as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 07, 2016, 09:24:50 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 07, 2016, 12:39:53 AM
Quote from: olaftab on February 07, 2016, 12:36:23 AM
I am not sure Richards can be corrected. Not impressed with his performance today at RB.

Me neither.  One to try and move on in the summer.  We need a new RB next season.

totally

his positional sense is up there with the worst i have seen

a couple of times he was totally oblivious to what was going on around him and was constantly drifting infield to the edge of the box

offered nothing going forward so hutton is a better option as at least he knows where he should be standing on the pitch
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 07, 2016, 09:59:22 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 07, 2016, 09:24:50 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 07, 2016, 12:39:53 AM
Quote from: olaftab on February 07, 2016, 12:36:23 AM
I am not sure Richards can be corrected. Not impressed with his performance today at RB.

Me neither.  One to try and move on in the summer.  We need a new RB next season.

totally

his positional sense is up there with the worst i have seen

a couple of times he was totally oblivious to what was going on around him and was constantly drifting infield to the edge of the box

offered nothing going forward so hutton is a better option as at least he knows where he should be standing on the pitch

I disagree about Hutton. If there's anyone who strays out of position, it's him. Besides, the defence looks a bit more sold with him not in it.

Richards is ok at right back if he's got someone in front of him which is why I think Bacuna is in the side.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: clash city rocker on February 07, 2016, 10:35:33 AM
What the fuck is Morley talking about. Garde wouldn't know how to get us out of the championship ???? It's just football but at a lower level..Never read such crap. He implies the likes of wenger, Ferguson, guardiola couldn't manage at championship level...Total and utter rubbish. And he gets paid to write that rubbish . unbelievable.  The world's gone mad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 07, 2016, 10:41:17 AM
Quote from: Clampy on February 07, 2016, 09:59:22 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 07, 2016, 09:24:50 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 07, 2016, 12:39:53 AM
Quote from: olaftab on February 07, 2016, 12:36:23 AM
I am not sure Richards can be corrected. Not impressed with his performance today at RB.

Me neither.  One to try and move on in the summer.  We need a new RB next season.

totally

his positional sense is up there with the worst i have seen

a couple of times he was totally oblivious to what was going on around him and was constantly drifting infield to the edge of the box

offered nothing going forward so hutton is a better option as at least he knows where he should be standing on the pitch

I disagree about Hutton. If there's anyone who strays out of position, it's him. Besides, the defence looks a bit more sold with him not in it.

Richards is ok at right back if he's got someone in front of him which is why I think Bacuna is in the side.

all about opinions, ill wait and see how richards does next week against a forward line with a lot of movement. richards with bacuna is very weak as both are clueless. i lost count of the number of times yesterday the were both standing 3 yards away from the same player and giving him an out ball rather than one going in and the other holding
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 07, 2016, 10:55:31 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 07, 2016, 10:41:17 AM
Quote from: Clampy on February 07, 2016, 09:59:22 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 07, 2016, 09:24:50 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 07, 2016, 12:39:53 AM
Quote from: olaftab on February 07, 2016, 12:36:23 AM
I am not sure Richards can be corrected. Not impressed with his performance today at RB.

Me neither.  One to try and move on in the summer.  We need a new RB next season.

totally

his positional sense is up there with the worst i have seen

a couple of times he was totally oblivious to what was going on around him and was constantly drifting infield to the edge of the box

offered nothing going forward so hutton is a better option as at least he knows where he should be standing on the pitch

I disagree about Hutton. If there's anyone who strays out of position, it's him. Besides, the defence looks a bit more sold with him not in it.

Richards is ok at right back if he's got someone in front of him which is why I think Bacuna is in the side.

all about opinions, ill wait and see how richards does next week against a forward line with a lot of movement. richards with bacuna is very weak as both are clueless. i lost count of the number of times yesterday the were both standing 3 yards away from the same player and giving him an out ball rather than one going in and the other holding
I thought Richards was one of our weaker players yesterday...he's strong in the air (at CB) and has a physical presence but his positional sense is awful, hence so many mistakes at CB.
I'd like to see him bombing forward but agree that he may be under orders not to...but several times yesterday he actually moved forward and offered nothing or passed to Bacuna/Gana in poor positions and then disappeared offering no get out for his team-mate with the ball.
Was pleased when we signed him but have to admit to being disappointed.
I think he'll be on his way in the summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 07, 2016, 11:01:30 AM
On thread...I want Garde to stay.
He has a measured, dignified and quietly determined approach to the game and his players and seems to be clear in how he wants to play.
He's exactly what we need; I hope the board can be as equally dignified in acknowledging his attributes and backing him to achieve success for Aston Villa Football Club. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 07, 2016, 11:52:24 AM
Completely agree. He has a great dignity about him and he is turning this team around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rioch is King on February 07, 2016, 12:07:08 PM
After listening to Garde you become even more aware of how much utter bullshit other managers talk
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 07, 2016, 08:39:24 AM

I love the bloke, but I've been surprised at the number of other fans I've spoken to who feel the same way, not people who post on here but ordinary fans of all ages.

I think it comes down to integrity. The man has it, it contrasts sharply with many of his peers, and it shines through.

I'm rapidly coming around to that way of thinking.  It's nice to hear interviews, in that whatever the score or result, he tells it like it is.  He rightly identified that it wasn't a classic game yesterday, but that it was good to win away.  We could and should have 5 more points from the last round of games, and that would make things look wholly different.  I hope that he stays and continues the improvement.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on February 07, 2016, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 07, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 07, 2016, 08:39:24 AM

I love the bloke, but I've been surprised at the number of other fans I've spoken to who feel the same way, not people who post on here but ordinary fans of all ages.

I think it comes down to integrity. The man has it, it contrasts sharply with many of his peers, and it shines through.

I'm rapidly coming around to that way of thinking.  It's nice to hear interviews, in that whatever the score or result, he tells it like it is.  He rightly identified that it wasn't a classic game yesterday, but that it was good to win away.  We could and should have 5 more points from the last round of games, and that would make things look wholly different.  I hope that he stays and continues the improvement.
The thing is we do not have a lot of evidence but deep down a lot of people have this gut feeling that Remi could be our next manager to lift this club out of oblivion and beyond. There is something about him. He could be our next Graham Taylor.

It's just so worrying, again only a gut feeling and pure speculation but he could walk away from this in the summer and nobody at the club will fight tooth and nail to stop it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Neil Hawkes on February 07, 2016, 01:21:36 PM
I have hope that Melvyn King seeing the state we are in now, would be able to identify we have a manager at the club we support who actually demonstrates the ability to manage us out of this mess, if given time and proper fiscal support.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 07, 2016, 01:36:12 PM
If we go down, we have only one real opportunity to come back up and that is after one season.  We need to take that first parachute payment and really make it work for us.  What we cannot afford is for Lerner to see that money as something to balance off previous years losses.  If he does, we are f***** big time.

Hopefully, we should be able to clear some players out in addition to those at the end of contracts.  We must keep Remi Garde and allow him to bring in players that fit the system he wants to play.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 01:38:04 PM
Garde has got a poor side doing exactly what would be needed in the Championship. Organised, well drilled if Okore starts, clear shape etcg. If he goes we start again and I don't think any of the last 3 managers have managed to have us so clearly organised. We almost have a style of play emerging which is remarkable really considering how disorganised we were when he arrived. Wind next week he is up to a point a game. I think has he arrived in June last year we would be comfortable in mid table now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve R on February 07, 2016, 01:44:49 PM
The last 5 games have seen us concede only 3 goals and keep three clean sheets. That's a pretty staggering sequence by our standards, the last thing we should do is be changing the defence. Leave Richards - and Hutton - where they are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on February 07, 2016, 02:30:36 PM
I find his interviews quite refreshing too.  He's a good manager, but the right man for Villa? I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 07, 2016, 02:36:04 PM
Quote from: Steve R on February 07, 2016, 01:44:49 PM
The last 5 games have seen us concede only 3 goals and keep three clean sheets. That's a pretty staggering sequence by our standards, the last thing we should do is be changing the defence. Leave Richards - and Hutton - where they are.

Quite right. The results show that those players are forging a tight defence. Lescott is moulding them well. We need the midfield to score a few and Gestede to come good which he would with a winger slinging accurate balls across. One game at a time. If we could beat Liverpool mmmmmmm!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2016, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on February 07, 2016, 02:30:36 PM
I find his interviews quite refreshing too.  He's a good manager, but the right man for Villa? I'm not so sure.

Honest question, who would be? Name me one manager you could be certain would put us right.

I think Guardiola would probably top himself if he had to work with this lot.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on February 07, 2016, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 07, 2016, 02:40:47 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on February 07, 2016, 02:30:36 PM
I find his interviews quite refreshing too.  He's a good manager, but the right man for Villa? I'm not so sure.

Honest question, who would be? Name me one manager you could be certain would put us right.

I think Guardiola would probably top himself if he had to work with this lot.

With the reality of the Championship stareing us in the face I'd say Pearson would be a good fit.  He knows that league very well and with the right investment could do a good job for us.  He has passion, decent tactics and a decent level of experience. Not saying I would get rid of Garde.  Think he deserves a proper crack at it.  Just saying if Garde did leave then I think Pearson could do a good job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 02:49:23 PM
Pearson is a total cock. Don't want him anywhere near our club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 07, 2016, 02:50:25 PM
No it has to be Garde next season. He is going to our Vic Crowe next season and in two years time we will appoint a future Ron Saunders!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on February 07, 2016, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 02:49:23 PM
Pearson is a total cock. Don't want him anywhere near our club.

Cock or not he's a good manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 07, 2016, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on February 07, 2016, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 02:49:23 PM
Pearson is a total cock. Don't want him anywhere near our club.

Cock or not he's a good manager.

Is he?  What has he done other than get Leicester promoted with a lot of financial backing and kept them up last season after nearly getting them relegated.

Being aggressive and shouting a lot does not equate to being a good manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: spangley1812 on February 07, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 07, 2016, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on February 07, 2016, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 02:49:23 PM
Pearson is a total cock. Don't want him anywhere near our club.

Cock or not he's a good manager.

Is he?  What has he done other than get Leicester promoted with a lot of financial backing and kept them up last season after nearly getting them relegated.

Being aggressive and shouting a lot does not equate to being a good manager.

Look @ Leicester now...........Its 75/80% his team they have carried on from where they left off last season with a couple of notable tweaks i.e
Kante,etc
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 07, 2016, 03:06:03 PM
Leicester have been consistently superb for the last 13/14 months and jolly good luck to them in their bid for the title. Anything that shoves a sharp stick up the collective arses of  the Sky Big Four  is fine by me. Plus I like Tinkerman.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on February 07, 2016, 03:07:17 PM
Pearson appears to be competent enough at managing in a few ways. Prize psycho though, and a bit of a fossil. Ranieri obviously won't get the credit he should from the punditocracy because he's not one of the boys, but he's made them a lot better than Pearson could have, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 07, 2016, 03:12:16 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on February 07, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 07, 2016, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on February 07, 2016, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 02:49:23 PM
Pearson is a total cock. Don't want him anywhere near our club.

Cock or not he's a good manager.

Is he?  What has he done other than get Leicester promoted with a lot of financial backing and kept them up last season after nearly getting them relegated.

Being aggressive and shouting a lot does not equate to being a good manager.

Look @ Leicester now...........Its 75/80% his team they have carried on from where they left off last season with a couple of notable tweaks i.e
Kante,etc

The trouble with Pearson is that he starts to get it right and then loses the plot.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 07, 2016, 03:14:10 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on February 07, 2016, 10:35:33 AM
What the fuck is Morley talking about. Garde wouldn't know how to get us out of the championship ???? It's just football but at a lower level..Never read such crap. He implies the likes of wenger, Ferguson, guardiola couldn't manage at championship level...Total and utter rubbish. And he gets paid to write that rubbish . unbelievable.  The world's gone mad.
Yes look at the 3 managers who got their teams out of the championship last season they were seasoned with millions of years of experience of getting teams out of that League......... A prized c***.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 07, 2016, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on February 07, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 07, 2016, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on February 07, 2016, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 02:49:23 PM
Pearson is a total cock. Don't want him anywhere near our club.

Cock or not he's a good manager.

Is he?  What has he done other than get Leicester promoted with a lot of financial backing and kept them up last season after nearly getting them relegated.

Being aggressive and shouting a lot does not equate to being a good manager.

Look @ Leicester now...........Its 75/80% his team they have carried on from where they left off last season with a couple of notable tweaks i.e
Kante,etc

And yet the people who watched him work closest i.e. the Leicester management chose to sack him regardless of him having kept them up. I doubt that they did it for no good reason.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: spangley1812 on February 07, 2016, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 07, 2016, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on February 07, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 07, 2016, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on February 07, 2016, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 02:49:23 PM
Pearson is a total cock. Don't want him anywhere near our club.

Cock or not he's a good manager.

Is he?  What has he done other than get Leicester promoted with a lot of financial backing and kept them up last season after nearly getting them relegated.

Being aggressive and shouting a lot does not equate to being a good manager.

Look @ Leicester now...........Its 75/80% his team they have carried on from where they left off last season with a couple of notable tweaks i.e
Kante,etc

And yet the people who watched him work closest i.e. the Leicester management chose to sack him regardless of him having kept them up. I doubt that they did it for no good reason.

He was sacked for "non footballing reasons" involving his son and an incident on a tour abroad
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 07, 2016, 03:41:20 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 07, 2016, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on February 07, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 07, 2016, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on February 07, 2016, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 02:49:23 PM
Pearson is a total cock. Don't want him anywhere near our club.

Cock or not he's a good manager.

Is he?  What has he done other than get Leicester promoted with a lot of financial backing and kept them up last season after nearly getting them relegated.

Being aggressive and shouting a lot does not equate to being a good manager.

Look @ Leicester now...........Its 75/80% his team they have carried on from where they left off last season with a couple of notable tweaks i.e
Kante,etc

And yet the people who watched him work closest i.e. the Leicester management chose to sack him regardless of him having kept them up. I doubt that they did it for no good reason.
I think Pearson was probably destined to go the way of Sherwood this season. That run in last season was great but Ranieri has offered a refinement that Pearson would not have been capable of.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 07, 2016, 03:41:41 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on February 07, 2016, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 02:49:23 PM
Pearson is a total cock. Don't want him anywhere near our club.

Cock or not he's a good manager.

No he isn't.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on February 07, 2016, 03:45:11 PM
I don't buy this mystical vision peddled by the British media that thou must have a team of seasoned Championship players led by a British manager off the same old carousel of dross.

Id trust Garde to smartly engineer a way out of the league without signing a team of Lee Cattermole's thanks very much.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 07, 2016, 03:50:34 PM
If Remi Garde stays, do people think that he will not prepare for next season by analysing match stats/data/TV recordings of Championship games from this season.  The days of a manager having to attend matches to view the opposition or players have long gone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 07, 2016, 04:03:04 PM
It must have been really difficult to be dropped into the disaster that was our season. I have no doubt that if he stays he will be meticulous in how he prepares for next season irrespective of what division we are in.

You don't have to be any type of manager to get promoted from the Championship. The standard down there is pretty average when you consider the level of player that make a good living that we know can't cut it in the PL. Most Championship sides might have 1 or 2 true PL standard players, but mainly decent pros. The established PL sides by comparison have mostly that level of player and better. That's why we have struggled because we don't have enough PL standard players and none beyond that.

If we do go down we simply must give Garde the tools to do his job and he will be able to get us promoted by having existing players play to their proper level and elevating those that require it. The task will be challenging but in no way insurmountable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 07, 2016, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: Matt C on February 07, 2016, 03:45:11 PM
I don't buy this mystical vision peddled by the British media that thou must have a team of seasoned Championship players led by a British manager off the same old carousel of dross.

Id trust Garde to smartly engineer a way out of the league without signing a team of Lee Cattermole's thanks very much.

Agree it's a load of cliched nonsense.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SashasGrandad on February 07, 2016, 04:06:55 PM
Norwich are basically a Championship team and we beat them reasonably comfortably yesterday with an injury/suspension weakened team. Garde seemed to be in control of things, I was a bit worried he left his first sub till 90th minute. I would have put fresh legs on up front when we went 2-0 up to take advantage of Norwich pushing forward and leaving gaps at the back. It would have given more chance of an "out ball" to relieve the pressure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on February 07, 2016, 04:22:56 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on February 07, 2016, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: Matt C on February 07, 2016, 03:45:11 PM
I don't buy this mystical vision peddled by the British media that thou must have a team of seasoned Championship players led by a British manager off the same old carousel of dross.

Id trust Garde to smartly engineer a way out of the league without signing a team of Lee Cattermole's thanks very much.

Agree it's a load of cliched nonsense.
Of course it is. So by this law former great managers over the years could not manage a club and have success in the lower leagues. What a load of old twaddle.

If we can keep Remi and we can add a few fresh faces we will coast next season easily if we go down.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on February 07, 2016, 04:28:25 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 01:38:04 PM
Garde has got a poor side doing exactly what would be needed in the Championship. Organised, well drilled if Okore starts, clear shape etcg. If he goes we start again and I don't think any of the last 3 managers have managed to have us so clearly organised. We almost have a style of play emerging which is remarkable really considering how disorganised we were when he arrived. Wind next week he is up to a point a game. I think has he arrived in June last year we would be comfortable in mid table now.

I agree, sir.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: hipkiss92 on February 07, 2016, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: SashasGrandad on February 07, 2016, 04:06:55 PM
Norwich are basically a Championship team and we beat them reasonably comfortably yesterday with an injury/suspension weakened team. Garde seemed to be in control of things, I was a bit worried he left his first sub till 90th minute. I would have put fresh legs on up front when we went 2-0 up to take advantage of Norwich pushing forward and leaving gaps at the back. It would have given more chance of an "out ball" to relieve the pressure.

He did this (subs) against Palace as well and it was doing my head in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 07, 2016, 05:19:23 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on February 07, 2016, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 07, 2016, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on February 07, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 07, 2016, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on February 07, 2016, 02:52:03 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 02:49:23 PM
Pearson is a total cock. Don't want him anywhere near our club.

Cock or not he's a good manager.

Is he?  What has he done other than get Leicester promoted with a lot of financial backing and kept them up last season after nearly getting them relegated.

Being aggressive and shouting a lot does not equate to being a good manager.

Look @ Leicester now...........Its 75/80% his team they have carried on from where they left off last season with a couple of notable tweaks i.e
Kante,etc

And yet the people who watched him work closest i.e. the Leicester management chose to sack him regardless of him having kept them up. I doubt that they did it for no good reason.

He was sacked for "non footballing reasons" involving his son and an incident on a tour abroad

He was not sacked because of what his son did. That would be illegal, for a start.

He was sacked for a string of incidents including trying to throttle an opposing player on the touchline. The official phrases were "a fundamental difference in perspective" and "a working relationship is no longer viable". They couldn't work with him. Do you really think that if they thought he would suddenly lead them to the title they wouldn't have kept him on? Also, have you noticed that he is still out of work despite over a dozen Premier and Championship jobs coming up between when he was sacked and now. Why do you think this is? We shouldn't touch him with a bargepole if the worst happens and Remi leaves.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 07, 2016, 05:38:05 PM
What his son and his mates did tells you a lot about the old man and the values he holds. No thanks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2016, 06:03:48 PM
I'd presumed he'd retired from football and took up his true calling in life, to be an arsehole traffic police officer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 07, 2016, 06:33:48 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 07, 2016, 06:03:48 PM
I'd presumed he'd retired from football and took up his true calling in life, to be an arsehole traffic police officer.

yep. One of those officers that peers down upon you like you've just been rumbled for 16 murders when all you've done is parked on some double yellow lines.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 07, 2016, 06:51:04 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 01:38:04 PM
Garde has got a poor side doing exactly what would be needed in the Championship. Organised, well drilled if Okore starts, clear shape etcg. If he goes we start again and I don't think any of the last 3 managers have managed to have us so clearly organised. We almost have a style of play emerging which is remarkable really considering how disorganised we were when he arrived. Wind next week he is up to a point a game. I think has he arrived in June last year we would be comfortable in mid table now.

Yes I was a firm critic of him over xmas but he has won me over by tightening us up defensively. We had to do that simply to get some points on the board and it's only what Big Sam or Moyes would've done if we'd appointed them instead.

Since Southampton away our defensive record is very very good for a bottom team. Infact as a unit I'd suggest it's our best since the MON days, not bad when starting with the keeper there's sub standard players in there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 07, 2016, 06:54:13 PM
it's also coincided with the return of Cissokho who is a very limited player overall but a serviceable and reliable defender. Right now he's what we need and he'll be a very solid back up next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 07, 2016, 06:57:33 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 07, 2016, 06:33:48 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 07, 2016, 06:03:48 PM
I'd presumed he'd retired from football and took up his true calling in life, to be an arsehole traffic police officer.

yep. One of those officers that peers down upon you like you've just been rumbled for 16 murders when all you've done is parked on some double yellow lines.

Here he is communicating with the fans.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 07, 2016, 07:06:03 PM
there's also the one where he called the reporter an Ostrich that is so unbelievably disrespectful. He is a complete wanker, and especially when you consider the grief Garde has endured and how much class he has shown in his press conferences.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on February 07, 2016, 07:06:23 PM
What a see you next Tuesday.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 07, 2016, 07:08:03 PM
Pearson is exactly the sort of offensive dick that any club with a desire to hang on to a shred of pride should avoid like the plague. He's fucking nuts, and not pleasant, quirky nuts either, he's proper nasty.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 07, 2016, 07:11:09 PM
As has been said, he's a nasty piece of work. He's the kind of bloke you could see being the bully gym teacher at school back in the day. I'd hate to have that tool associated with Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 07, 2016, 07:30:48 PM
And simply not a good manager.

Apart from last season and getting Leicester up he has failed everywhere, and Leicester paid out big money and wages for the side they had to come up. He also spent decent money once they got up. I would bet they have a "transfer committee" too, that probably recommended most of the players they have bought but because theirs are successful it is a lot less publicised than ours. They were after all reportedly interested in both Gestede and Veretout before we bought them last summer. How much of their success is down to him, Ranieiri or quite simply riding a wave of confidence and playing with organisation will be open to debate, but I don't want Pearson anywhere near Villa Park. Total idiot.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 07, 2016, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 07, 2016, 07:08:03 PM
Pearson is exactly the sort of offensive dick that any club with a desire to hang on to a shred of pride should avoid like the plague. He's fucking nuts, and not pleasant, quirky nuts either, he's proper nasty.

Agree
But he's exactly the type of manager this board will turn to if a Garde walks/leaves

The 'project' will be dead in the water, they won't be looking for the next experiment they will do what the media and the pundits say and appoint that twat
I know they could have looked at Pearson last time but they thought they would take the risk and go with something new and fresh, not next time they will take no risks, he's right up Hollis's street in my opinion

Sadly I would go as far to say that if Garde goes he's nailed on to be our next manager
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on February 07, 2016, 07:47:58 PM
You can see why Remi's priority was a keeper, as much as Bunn has calmed things down and done very well , there is no doubt a class keeper would make us even better defensively. Add that to a striker worthy of the name and a midfielder to replace Bacuna/ Sanchez and we would have a real shout , particularly if we'd signed them early in the window and nicked a few more points. Remi has done well with the tools ( no pun intended) at his disposal and it is very frustrating the board hadn't the balls to back him in our hour of need.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 07, 2016, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: john e on February 07, 2016, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 07, 2016, 07:08:03 PM
Pearson is exactly the sort of offensive dick that any club with a desire to hang on to a shred of pride should avoid like the plague. He's fucking nuts, and not pleasant, quirky nuts either, he's proper nasty.

Agree
But he's exactly the type of manager this board will turn to if a Garde walks/leaves

The 'project' will be dead in the water, they won't be looking for the next experiment they will do what the media and the pundits say and appoint that twat
I know they could have looked at Pearson last time but they thought they would take the risk and go with something new and fresh, not next time they will take no risks, he's right up Hollis's street in my opinion

Sadly I would go as far to say that if Garde goes he's nailed on to be our next manager

but why will they turn to him, or is that our inner fear speaking? Pearson was available the we hired Garde and we didn't go for him. He would have been much easier to get. Instead the board didn't go for any of the run of the mill managers that were available and it appeared that they had a transfer policy and brought a manager out of retirement that met with what they were trying to do. For the first time in forever there was some semblance of a plan. I'm not saying it's not possible because of the TSM affair, but I don't think it is at all nailed on for him to be out manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 07, 2016, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 07, 2016, 08:34:13 PM
Quote from: john e on February 07, 2016, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 07, 2016, 07:08:03 PM
Pearson is exactly the sort of offensive dick that any club with a desire to hang on to a shred of pride should avoid like the plague. He's fucking nuts, and not pleasant, quirky nuts either, he's proper nasty.

Agree
But he's exactly the type of manager this board will turn to if a Garde walks/leaves

The 'project' will be dead in the water, they won't be looking for the next experiment they will do what the media and the pundits say and appoint that twat
I know they could have looked at Pearson last time but they thought they would take the risk and go with something new and fresh, not next time they will take no risks, he's right up Hollis's street in my opinion

Sadly I would go as far to say that if Garde goes he's nailed on to be our next manager

but why will they turn to him, or is that our inner fear speaking? Pearson was available the we hired Garde and we didn't go for him. He would have been much easier to get. Instead the board didn't go for any of the run of the mill managers that were available and it appeared that they had a transfer policy and brought a manager out of retirement that met with what they were trying to do. For the first time in forever there was some semblance of a plan. I'm not saying it's not possible because of the TSM affair, but I don't think it is at all nailed on for him to be out manager.

They had a plan and promptly fucked it up by pissing the manager off.

We fear they'll appoint a moron like Pearson because, although they have got it right with Garde, they get it wrong more often than not (Tim Sherwood and the "list of one", for example)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 07, 2016, 08:53:54 PM
If they allow Remi Garde to leave, that single act of ineptitude will define their incompetence. It will be the big bow tied to their box of blunders.

Their incompetence will be insatiable and they will turn inevitably to a manager who is as desperate to rehabilitate himself as they will be.  Pearson, surfing a wave called the Leicester Phenomenon.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on February 07, 2016, 08:54:48 PM
Pearson? No thanks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 07, 2016, 10:09:35 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on February 07, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
Look @ Leicester now...........Its 75/80% his team they have carried on from where they left off last season with a couple of notable tweaks i.e
Kante,etc

Or you could look at it another way, and say that Pearson could only get that team scraping an escape from relegation, whereas Ranieri has them top of the league.

So who's the better manager?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on February 07, 2016, 10:21:46 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on February 07, 2016, 10:09:35 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on February 07, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
Look @ Leicester now...........Its 75/80% his team they have carried on from where they left off last season with a couple of notable tweaks i.e
Kante,etc

Or you could look at it another way, and say that Pearson could only get that team scraping an escape from relegation, whereas Ranieri has them top of the league.

So who's the better manager?

It's like film directors... The great ones can become shit and the rubbish ones can become great. On a different note, are there any players in the Leicester team you would have had in the Villa 1st 11 in August?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 07, 2016, 10:25:43 PM
Schmeichel, Huth, Vardy, Drinkwater, Inler
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 07, 2016, 10:28:29 PM
Pearson? Personally no thanks. He's a passive aggressive, bullying twat, that dishes out the weird quotes and 1000 yard stares in interviews because he's paranoid people will notice he's actually as thick as the pig shit in addition to being twice as unpleasant.

Can't see the club looking at him. They've appointed some awful managers, but they've all appeared like reasonable human beings, albeit most saw Sherwood as a bit of a gobshite, whereas Pearson is the sort of character that's the unsub in Criminal Minds.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 07, 2016, 10:33:49 PM
Mourinho, Rodgers, Moyes, Monk and Pearson are all available as it stands. If Remi does walk, I have no faith that the board will approach someone already in work and doing a great job. From the list provided, with the numpties we have in charge of the club, I'd make Pearson red hot favourite and the board to state that they have appointed the Manager of their dreams and to take the project, you know, the proud history, bright future one, forward.  Let's hope Remi stays eh?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 07, 2016, 10:34:31 PM
Forgot to add Garde is the first manager since Houllier I'd trust with significant funding.  Whether it's forthcoming is another matter, but someone like Garde with MON's funding in 2007-10?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 07, 2016, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 07, 2016, 10:25:43 PM
Schmeichel, Huth, Vardy, Drinkwater, Inler

Sorry I don't buy it, if that question had been asked in the summer Cambiasso and Schmeichel would've been mentioned heavily and a few would've included Huth and maybe Albrighton (purely for nostalgia reasons in the main, and I'm saying that as someone who rates him highly and wouldn't have let him go), the 4 players who have made them the team they are are Mahrez, Kante, Drinkwater and Vardy - 3 who'd been shit to average the year before and the 4th looked a lesser signing than both of the central midfielders we signed from France in the summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on February 07, 2016, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 07, 2016, 10:25:43 PM
Schmeichel, Huth, Vardy, Drinkwater, Inler

You're joking aren't you?! Anyone suggesting Vardy got booed off on this site when it was floated that we buy him. Schmeicher would have been too if anyone would have even thought of him. Huth has always been considered a donkey on here, and to have suggested signing him would have only pointed to how low we'd sunk...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 07, 2016, 10:56:55 PM
Mahrez. And I can say that because I said on here how he impressed me after the cup game last season. Vardy I wouldn't have touched with a barge pole, last season he looked like a shit version of Weimann.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on February 07, 2016, 11:00:33 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 07, 2016, 10:56:55 PM
Mahrez. And I can say that because I said on here how he impressed me after the cup game last season. Vardy I wouldn't have touched with a barge pole, last season he looked like a shit version of Weimann.

How's Andi doing these days..?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 07, 2016, 11:01:12 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 07, 2016, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 07, 2016, 10:25:43 PM
Schmeichel, Huth, Vardy, Drinkwater, Inler

Sorry I don't buy it, if that question had been asked in the summer Cambiasso and Schmeichel would've been mentioned heavily and a few would've included Huth and maybe Albrighton (purely for nostalgia reasons in the main, and I'm saying that as someone who rates him highly and wouldn't have let him go), the 4 players who have made them the team they are are Mahrez, Kante, Drinkwater and Vardy - 3 who'd been shit to average the year before and the 4th looked a lesser signing than both of the central midfielders we signed from France in the summer.

Err ok. He asked a question and I answered it. Huth's been accepted as a very good defender for years, actually I can't be arsed getting in to another squabble.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 07, 2016, 11:01:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 07, 2016, 10:56:55 PM
Mahrez. And I can say that because I said on here how he impressed me after the cup game last season. Vardy I wouldn't have touched with a barge pole, last season he looked like a shit version of Weimann.

That was about the only good performance Mahrez gave before March last season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 07, 2016, 11:03:08 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on February 07, 2016, 07:47:58 PM
You can see why Remi's priority was a keeper, as much as Bunn has calmed things down and done very well , there is no doubt a class keeper would make us even better defensively. Add that to a striker worthy of the name and a midfielder to replace Bacuna/ Sanchez and we would have a real shout , particularly if we'd signed them early in the window and nicked a few more points. Remi has done well with the tools ( no pun intended) at his disposal and it is very frustrating the board hadn't the balls to back him in our hour of need.

Bunn is fine as a second choice keeper playing the odd game here and there.  I just get the feeling the more he plays, the more prone to errors he is going to become.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 07, 2016, 11:07:34 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 07, 2016, 11:03:08 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on February 07, 2016, 07:47:58 PM
You can see why Remi's priority was a keeper, as much as Bunn has calmed things down and done very well , there is no doubt a class keeper would make us even better defensively. Add that to a striker worthy of the name and a midfielder to replace Bacuna/ Sanchez and we would have a real shout , particularly if we'd signed them early in the window and nicked a few more points. Remi has done well with the tools ( no pun intended) at his disposal and it is very frustrating the board hadn't the balls to back him in our hour of need.

Bunn is fine as a second choice keeper playing the odd game here and there.  I just get the feeling the more he plays, the more prone to errors he is going to become.

Which I believe was his problem at Norwich. Okay in the odd game but too error prone. We really needed a season from Guzan and he's let us down when he could have made a huge difference in our obvious short comings this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 07, 2016, 11:09:37 PM
Just checked my posts and it was the league game at VP last season when I mentioned Mahrez.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 07, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
I see Neil Moxley is sticking the boot in again in his rag. Telling Hollis to strip it down and start again, including getting rid of Remi, O'Reilly, Fox. No mention of who would replace Remi by the way. Wank article which doesn't put any shit in the direction of Hollis for not backing Garde in the window.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 07, 2016, 11:57:10 PM
As most won't look in the NFL thread, Super Bowl coverage is ruined as that pubeheaded Judas has appeared as a guest.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 08, 2016, 12:18:25 AM
Quote from: Newby on February 07, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
I see Neil Moxley is sticking the boot in again in his rag. Telling Hollis to strip it down and start again, including getting rid of Remi, O'Reilly, Fox. No mention of who would replace Remi by the way. Wank article which doesn't put any shit in the direction of Hollis for not backing Garde in the window.

To be fair the article is absolutely full of shit but making Hollis be the figure of blame for us not signing anyone in the window is something that would fit in and make it even worse.  There's a whole bunch of reasons for us not making any signings and appointing Hollis is possibly on that list somewhere but it's a long way from the top.

In no particular order:

-Defeats to Sunderland and Norwich leaving us looking dead and buried
-Change of manager coming a few weeks too late so with fitness as the prime concern Garde only really started to identify a 'best 11' around Christmas which left little time for scouting
-Funds weren't agreed before the window opened, there had to be a meeting in America a third of the way through
-The FA fucked us over with the one player that was ready to sign
-The other key player we'd identified left it until the last day or 2 to decide to go elsewhere leaving us with little time to arrange another option - this follows on from the first issue
-A right back we wanted on loan fucked us about and told us to wait until the end of the window so he could see if he had better offers - this follows on from the first issue
-MAYBE the funds available were changed in light of the high chance of relegation (maybe because we know there was £5-6m available because we'd agreed to spend that so there was more than the nothing we spent)

The only one of those that Hollis can be held accountable for is the very last one and that's the one with the least genuine evidence for it.  Again, because some will take it this way, this isn't me defending the board, I hold them fully culpable for 2 of the certainties I have in that list and then have Sherwood and Garde sharing another and the FA having 1, the last 2, as mentioned are about the players but came about because of our league position/status.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 08, 2016, 12:50:28 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 07, 2016, 11:57:10 PM
As most won't look in the NFL thread, Super Bowl coverage is ruined as that pubeheaded Judas has appeared as a guest.
Not over here he's not.😁
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 08, 2016, 12:57:10 AM
Apparently he is a big Peyton Manning fan. Reading about Peyton Manning that is not something to be overly proud of.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on February 08, 2016, 02:24:46 AM
Did Randy teach O'Neil about NFL?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 08, 2016, 09:22:29 AM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on February 07, 2016, 10:21:46 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on February 07, 2016, 10:09:35 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on February 07, 2016, 03:01:41 PM
Look @ Leicester now...........Its 75/80% his team they have carried on from where they left off last season with a couple of notable tweaks i.e
Kante,etc

Or you could look at it another way, and say that Pearson could only get that team scraping an escape from relegation, whereas Ranieri has them top of the league.

So who's the better manager?

It's like film directors... The great ones can become shit and the rubbish ones can become great. On a different note, are there any players in the Leicester team you would have had in the Villa 1st 11 in August?

And who would have wanted Ranieri after his Greek results?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 08, 2016, 09:59:33 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 07, 2016, 11:03:08 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on February 07, 2016, 07:47:58 PM
You can see why Remi's priority was a keeper, as much as Bunn has calmed things down and done very well , there is no doubt a class keeper would make us even better defensively. Add that to a striker worthy of the name and a midfielder to replace Bacuna/ Sanchez and we would have a real shout , particularly if we'd signed them early in the window and nicked a few more points. Remi has done well with the tools ( no pun intended) at his disposal and it is very frustrating the board hadn't the balls to back him in our hour of need.

Bunn is fine as a second choice keeper playing the odd game here and there.  I just get the feeling the more he plays, the more prone to errors he is going to become.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 08, 2016, 10:01:06 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 07, 2016, 11:03:08 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on February 07, 2016, 07:47:58 PM
You can see why Remi's priority was a keeper, as much as Bunn has calmed things down and done very well , there is no doubt a class keeper would make us even better defensively. Add that to a striker worthy of the name and a midfielder to replace Bacuna/ Sanchez and we would have a real shout , particularly if we'd signed them early in the window and nicked a few more points. Remi has done well with the tools ( no pun intended) at his disposal and it is very frustrating the board hadn't the balls to back him in our hour of need.

Bunn is fine as a second choice keeper playing the odd game here and there.  I just get the feeling the more he plays, the more prone to errors he is going to become.

Agreed.  He got away with a couple of major errors against Norwich.  His luck won't last and he will cost us. 

For all his lack of confidence, Guzan is the better keeper and should play.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 08, 2016, 10:05:56 AM
Guzan 2012-2015 is a better keeper. Guzan 2015-16 is quite clearly not. He has cost us dearly this season. Bunn has more clean sheets in 7 games than Guzan all season, and while there are mitigating factors, it would be silly to change it. His biggest issue is when to come or not for a long ish ball into the box. The headed goal against West Ham and one off the line in the second half against Norwich showed that. In a similar way to Given, he is too small really to be a top keeper and does not back himself particularly off his line so is in a kind of no-mans land at times.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 08, 2016, 10:48:38 AM
Guzan better than Bunn? Do me a favour. Neither the stats nor the evidence of my own eyes back up that assertion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 08, 2016, 10:57:41 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 08, 2016, 10:05:56 AM
Guzan 2012-2015 is a better keeper. Guzan 2015-16 is quite clearly not.

That's pretty much fair.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 08, 2016, 11:39:16 AM
Quote from: Dave on February 08, 2016, 10:57:41 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 08, 2016, 10:05:56 AM
Guzan 2012-2015 is a better keeper. Guzan 2015-16 is quite clearly not.

That's pretty much fair.

I'd go with that as well, I'd suggest this season Guzan is the worst keeper in the league, his confidence completely abandoned him when Sherwood dropped him and then tried to replace him and he's been terrible ever since.  I don't rate Bunn very highly at all but at least he looks like he believes he deserves to be there, Guzan has been playing like he's wanted to hide all year and a keeper just can't do that.  The nerves transfer to the defence and everyone looks on edge.  I don't think they entirely trust Bunn but at least they can see that he's willing to stand up with them.  A new keeper really is a requirement for next year, if we do go down I'd put it at the top of the list because as poor as we are up front I think Kozak and Gestede will both score goals at that level and Ayew will be a class above anyone  in the league.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 08, 2016, 11:44:41 AM
It worries me that Kozak has fractured a bone in his ankle and is out again though. I don't know how much meaningful football we will get out of him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on February 08, 2016, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on February 07, 2016, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 07, 2016, 10:25:43 PM
Schmeichel, Huth, Vardy, Drinkwater, Inler

You're joking aren't you?! Anyone suggesting Vardy got booed off on this site when it was floated that we buy him. Schmeicher would have been too if anyone would have even thought of him. Huth has always been considered a donkey on here, and to have suggested signing him would have only pointed to how low we'd sunk...

I've been suggesting  Schmeichel as an upgrade on Guzan for a couple of seasons on here........
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 08, 2016, 02:19:08 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 08, 2016, 10:57:41 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 08, 2016, 10:05:56 AM
Guzan 2012-2015 is a better keeper. Guzan 2015-16 is quite clearly not.

That's pretty much fair.

Yep I agree. I think ultimately we need a much better keeper. Bunn has done ok so far, but he's not a long term number 1.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 08, 2016, 02:26:51 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 08, 2016, 11:39:16 AM
Quote from: Dave on February 08, 2016, 10:57:41 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 08, 2016, 10:05:56 AM
Guzan 2012-2015 is a better keeper. Guzan 2015-16 is quite clearly not.

That's pretty much fair.

I'd go with that as well, I'd suggest this season Guzan is the worst keeper in the league, his confidence completely abandoned him when Sherwood dropped him and then tried to replace him and he's been terrible ever since.  I don't rate Bunn very highly at all but at least he looks like he believes he deserves to be there, Guzan has been playing like he's wanted to hide all year and a keeper just can't do that.  The nerves transfer to the defence and everyone looks on edge.  I don't think they entirely trust Bunn but at least they can see that he's willing to stand up with them.  A new keeper really is a requirement for next year, if we do go down I'd put it at the top of the list because as poor as we are up front I think Kozak and Gestede will both score goals at that level and Ayew will be a class above anyone  in the league.

Steer is doing OK in that league and Bunn is adequate for lower PL>Championship.

If we stay up, yes, a keeper would be a priority.  But if we go down, I suspect there will be plenty of other holes to fill first. The likes of Veretout and Ayew will be gone almost as soon as we are.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 08, 2016, 02:59:49 PM
The whole defence is looking much more robust and far less prone to calamities in recent matches.  Whether that's down to dropping Guzan, picking Bunn, the Okore/Lescott partnership or a combination of all of them, it's at least given us a platform to pick something up from every game.  In my opinion Guzan has that perpetually haunted look that you saw on the face of Enckelman post-Blues game, or Scott Carson post-England cock up. I think 4 years of stuffings have knocked the erm, stuffing out of him, and he needs to move on to try to rebuild his career elsewhere.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 08, 2016, 03:11:02 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 08, 2016, 02:59:49 PM
The whole defence is looking much more robust and far less prone to calamities in recent matches.  Whether that's down to dropping Guzan, picking Bunn, the Okore/Lescott partnership or a combination of all of them, it's at least given us a platform to pick something up from every game.  In my opinion Guzan has that perpetually haunted look that you saw on the face of Enckelman post-Blues game, or Scott Carson post-England cock up. I think 4 years of stuffings have knocked the erm, stuffing out of him, and he needs to move on to try to rebuild his career elsewhere.
Agree with all of that. 

If I'd got to guess, I'd say it was the happy combination of Okore and Lescott both reaching proper match fitness and the dropping of Guzan all around the same point giving everyone a let's actually try something new kind of lift.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 08, 2016, 03:17:55 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 08, 2016, 02:26:51 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 08, 2016, 11:39:16 AM
Quote from: Dave on February 08, 2016, 10:57:41 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 08, 2016, 10:05:56 AM
Guzan 2012-2015 is a better keeper. Guzan 2015-16 is quite clearly not.

That's pretty much fair.

I'd go with that as well, I'd suggest this season Guzan is the worst keeper in the league, his confidence completely abandoned him when Sherwood dropped him and then tried to replace him and he's been terrible ever since.  I don't rate Bunn very highly at all but at least he looks like he believes he deserves to be there, Guzan has been playing like he's wanted to hide all year and a keeper just can't do that.  The nerves transfer to the defence and everyone looks on edge.  I don't think they entirely trust Bunn but at least they can see that he's willing to stand up with them.  A new keeper really is a requirement for next year, if we do go down I'd put it at the top of the list because as poor as we are up front I think Kozak and Gestede will both score goals at that level and Ayew will be a class above anyone  in the league.

Steer is doing OK in that league and Bunn is adequate for lower PL>Championship.

If we stay up, yes, a keeper would be a priority.  But if we go down, I suspect there will be plenty of other holes to fill first. The likes of Veretout and Ayew will be gone almost as soon as we are.



Lets not assume the worst in terms of players leaving before it becomes clear they want to go, we have no idea whether they'll want to go or if they'll feel responsible and give us a season to get back.  On that basis we should be picking the squad that we want to keep to get ourselves back and looking to plug the gaps in that and, as I say, the glaring hole is goalkeeper for me because Guzan is gone (as Risso says, he has a bit of a PTSD look to him) and I don't see Bunn as being a first choice right now so that leaves us either getting someone in or trusting Steer and having seen Steer a couple of times I'm not sure we should do that just yet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 08, 2016, 03:23:43 PM
I tend to agree Paul, but I'm prepared to wait and see with Bunn.  So far, he's had a few flappy moments, but they tend to not have cost us games, and if we do achieve the improbable and stay up, just imagine how high his confidence will be.  Whatever though, I don't think finding a decent keeper for whatever league we find ourselves in August will be as hard as sorting out the striking options.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 08, 2016, 05:01:49 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 08, 2016, 02:59:49 PM
In my opinion Guzan has that perpetually haunted look that you saw on the face of Enckelman post-Blues game, or Scott Carson post-England cock up.

I know what you mean.

Guzan was at most two more cock ups away from getting lumbered with this expression for the rest of his career.

(http://i.imgur.com/OCCUKmA.jpg)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 08, 2016, 05:17:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 08, 2016, 05:01:49 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 08, 2016, 02:59:49 PM
In my opinion Guzan has that perpetually haunted look that you saw on the face of Enckelman post-Blues game, or Scott Carson post-England cock up.

I know what you mean.

Guzan was at most two more cock ups away from getting lumbered with this expression for the rest of his career.

(http://i.imgur.com/OCCUKmA.jpg)

You've Googled "Thousand Yard Stare" there, haven't you?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 08, 2016, 05:20:19 PM
The results and lower goals against tally post Guzan speak for themselves and Garde would have to insane to put Guzan back in at the moment.

Bunn has made a big difference. Not because he is a great keeper, he is barely adequate, but bareley adequate is a big improvement on being terrible!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 08, 2016, 05:23:54 PM
As for Vardy, I regularly saw him playing at Fleetwood and saw nothing that made me think he could make the grade in the Prem.

Good luck to him and to Leicester for taking the punt on him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 08, 2016, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 08, 2016, 05:17:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 08, 2016, 05:01:49 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 08, 2016, 02:59:49 PM
In my opinion Guzan has that perpetually haunted look that you saw on the face of Enckelman post-Blues game, or Scott Carson post-England cock up.

I know what you mean.

Guzan was at most two more cock ups away from getting lumbered with this expression for the rest of his career.

(http://i.imgur.com/OCCUKmA.jpg)

You've Googled "Thousand Yard Stare" there, haven't you?

Ha ha but no, saw that Don McCullin documentary on Netflix.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: clash city rocker on February 08, 2016, 07:45:16 PM
Defensively we have improved. However come the end of the season we will look back and see our inability to score is what has cost us dearly. We have only conceded 4 more goals than Liverpool but are 19 points behind them. Our inability to put the ball in the net increases the pressure on our defence so you might be able to argue that if we had scored more goals we may have also conceded less goals.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Havencheese on February 08, 2016, 07:52:33 PM
The past few pages really indicate to me that Guzan really has Given us a Bunn Steer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 08, 2016, 08:04:04 PM
Sims like we have the making of a punfest.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 08:09:45 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 08, 2016, 08:04:04 PM
Sims like we have the making of a punfest.
if you spink im getting involved , spink again
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on February 08, 2016, 08:12:14 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 08:09:45 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 08, 2016, 08:04:04 PM
Sims like we have the making of a punfest.
if you spink im getting involved , spink again

Stop it, this is really Sealey of you both.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 08:15:08 PM
Quote from: Richard E on February 08, 2016, 08:12:14 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 08:09:45 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 08, 2016, 08:04:04 PM
Sims like we have the making of a punfest.
if you spink im getting involved , spink again

Stop it, this is really Sealey of you both.
finlay , somebody else has seen the futility of it all
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 08, 2016, 08:16:46 PM
Richard, are you Withers or against us?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 08:22:32 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 08, 2016, 08:16:46 PM
Richard, are you Withers or against us?
I think hes probably dunn
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: German James on February 08, 2016, 08:23:02 PM
A goalie pun-fest? I beg for Clemence-y
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on February 08, 2016, 08:24:43 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 08:22:32 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 08, 2016, 08:16:46 PM
Richard, are you Withers or against us?
I think hes probably dunn

No, that's just an unconfirmed Rimmer about me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 08, 2016, 08:24:58 PM
I've had enough of these puns, take me home James.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: German James on February 08, 2016, 08:23:02 PM
A goalie pun-fest? I beg for Clemence-y
its a cumbes-ination of boredom and drink
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 08, 2016, 08:27:06 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: German James on February 08, 2016, 08:23:02 PM
A goalie pun-fest? I beg for Clemence-y
its a cumbes-ination of boredom and drink
Schtop taking the scmichael
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 08:29:27 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 08, 2016, 08:24:58 PM
I've had enough of these puns, take me home James.

100% agree. Totes wiv ya, 'Shin.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: German James on February 08, 2016, 08:35:43 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 08, 2016, 08:24:58 PM
I've had enough of these puns, take me home James.

No need to take um-Burridge!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on February 08, 2016, 09:02:50 PM
I'm off for a Coop-er Yorkshire Tea
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 09:16:38 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on February 08, 2016, 09:02:50 PM
I'm off for a Coop-er Yorkshire Tea
why ? are you feeling sore-en-sen-sitive
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 08, 2016, 09:37:45 PM
Saw 2 new pages, figured someone had steer-ed things off into a punfest.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 08, 2016, 09:40:31 PM
We get one of these every Day without fail.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: German James on February 08, 2016, 09:45:00 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 08, 2016, 09:40:31 PM
We get one of these every Day without fail.

Every Da-vid Sea-man-y puns...








I'll try and stop.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:12:16 PM
To bring this back on topic, I see that the career-direction of one potential Garde replacement is only going one way: Neville, south. All day long.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 10:14:16 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:12:16 PM
To bring this back on topic, I see that the career-direction of one potential Garde replacement is only going one way: Neville, south. All day long.
and doesn't it bring a smile to your face? it does me
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 10:14:16 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:12:16 PM
To bring this back on topic, I see that the career-direction of one potential Garde replacement is only going one way: Neville, south. All day long.
and doesn't it bring a smile to your face? it does me

Not really. I've just had to help put out a small fire on a bus. A woman's tight trousers went on fire and everyone was screaming, asking me what to do. I just shouted 'Pat Jeggings!' Seemed to do the trick.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 10:14:16 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:12:16 PM
To bring this back on topic, I see that the career-direction of one potential Garde replacement is only going one way: Neville, south. All day long.
and doesn't it bring a smile to your face? it does me

Not really. I've just had to help put out a small fire on a bus. A woman's tight trousers went on fire and everyone was screaming, asking me what to do. I just shouted 'Pat Jeggings!' Seemed to do the trick.
hope you ceched the bus was parke-d first
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 08, 2016, 10:22:22 PM
That's terrible....but I like you!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:24:29 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 10:14:16 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:12:16 PM
To bring this back on topic, I see that the career-direction of one potential Garde replacement is only going one way: Neville, south. All day long.
and doesn't it bring a smile to your face? it does me

Not really. I've just had to help put out a small fire on a bus. A woman's tight trousers went on fire and everyone was screaming, asking me what to do. I just shouted 'Pat Jeggings!' Seemed to do the trick.
hope you ceched the bus was parke-d first

Yep. The driver had Cotoned on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 10:29:54 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:24:29 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 10:14:16 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:12:16 PM
To bring this back on topic, I see that the career-direction of one potential Garde replacement is only going one way: Neville, south. All day long.
and doesn't it bring a smile to your face? it does me

Not really. I've just had to help put out a small fire on a bus. A woman's tight trousers went on fire and everyone was screaming, asking me what to do. I just shouted 'Pat Jeggings!' Seemed to do the trick.
hope you ceched the bus was parke-d first

Yep. The driver had Cotoned on.
im really stugg-LING(swindon town) now
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on February 08, 2016, 10:30:10 PM
Luc-ic's got to stop.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:33:58 PM
I know. Seems like it Guzan and on, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 10:34:34 PM
people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones ???
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 08, 2016, 10:35:04 PM
You can Banks on it!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:36:53 PM
Neuer talking.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:39:04 PM
Seriously though, Szabo-ut time we got back onto Remi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: German James on February 08, 2016, 10:41:44 PM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on February 08, 2016, 10:39:04 PM
Seriously though, Szabo-ut time we got back onto Remi.

Yep. Well, if you ask me, he's a keeper.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 08, 2016, 10:41:58 PM
foulkes to that, im off to bed,
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 08, 2016, 11:22:47 PM
Older posters will thank Evans that it's a Dunn deal and we are not rrdyong on our Withers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: newtonsballs on February 08, 2016, 11:28:22 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on February 08, 2016, 11:22:47 PM
Older posters will thank Evans that it's a Dunn deal and we are not rrdyong on our Withers.

God! I understood all of that: time for my Cocoa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on February 08, 2016, 11:36:19 PM
Oooh, my sides are Aitken. Ugo to look at this forum and there's Olof of puns floating about. I'm Waring about joining in, but there's Little point in Juan being a party pooper. Thanks Evans for Aston Villa, proud history, Dwight future. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on February 09, 2016, 07:44:22 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on February 08, 2016, 10:30:10 PM
Luc-ic's got to stop.

Very good.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 09, 2016, 08:46:37 AM
I prefer my goalkeepers to keep up with the times: having a Buffon hairstyle is so-o-o-ooo Eighties.
As for our current crop, I say: "Go-mes with some other team; not the Villa."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Confusious says on February 09, 2016, 03:55:00 PM
For all our worshiping & SIMS we are the SIDE(at)BOTTOM.  Older supporters will get this
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 09, 2016, 04:55:31 PM
He'll feel the love and stay I reckon. Hopefully.

Errr Mignolet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheWarlock on February 09, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/remi-garde-speaks-out-on-aston-villa-situation/

Remi Garde speaks out on Aston Villa situation

Premier League side Aston Villa’s manager Remi Garde has spoken to French radio station RMC about his current situation, amid speculation suggesting that the former Lyon manager would be about walk out.

“Of course, I would have liked to have had players [in the transfer window]. I had pinpointed certain elements, but it did not happen for several reasons. Already our football situation is not particularly motivating. There is the possibility that we will be in the Championship next year. The American owner has also lost £300m. Instead, he might want to do something else. As long as it is mathematically possible, I believe. Aside from that, it is not a mystery, the club has been fighting for four years not to go down…”

“The squad and the players have potential, but it remains a reduced group. They have broad enough shoulders to play in the Premier League. They have shown that since I arrived. That is to their credit. Now I think that there was a bit of confusion with the former manager.”

“With Tim Sherwood, things simply didn’t stick. They lost seven of their first ten matches. When you arrive in England, all individuals coming from the continent have difficulties in terms of adapting. There are specifics that are sometimes surprising. The French manager that I am has given them second wind.”

“[Objectives and whether or not he stays should they be relegated] will be rediscussed once the next season begins its preparation. That means at the end of the campaign. I am ready to stay at this club if I am given the means required for promotion. Aston Villa is a prestigious club in England on the exterior. But inside, there are lots of things that need to be done…”

“My aim in the short term is not to return to France. I have nothing against France, but I like a lot what happens here. We will see about a return much later.”
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheWarlock on February 09, 2016, 09:25:10 PM
"I am ready to stay at this club if I am given the means required for promotion."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on February 09, 2016, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: TheWarlock on February 09, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
Aston Villa is a prestigious club in England on the exterior. But inside, there are lots of things that need to be done…”

It's not Sir Graham's Aston Villa are a "shambles" line but he is saying the same thing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on February 09, 2016, 09:41:07 PM
Quote from: Bad English on February 09, 2016, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: TheWarlock on February 09, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
Aston Villa is a prestigious club in England on the exterior. But inside, there are lots of things that need to be done…”

It's not Sir Graham's Aston Villa are a "shambles" line but he is saying the same thing.
Can't disagree with that - probably worse than the public thinks
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 09, 2016, 09:48:30 PM
He's playing a bit of a blinder.  A normal chairman would have no choice but to back him as they'd be fools to allow him to leave.  Not just because he appears really good but also because any potential manager will know, if he does go, that the job is poisoned.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 09, 2016, 10:16:32 PM
Quote from: TheWarlock on February 09, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
“[Objectives and whether or not he stays should they be relegated] will be rediscussed once the next season begins its preparation. That means at the end of the campaign. I am ready to stay at this club if I am given the means required for promotion. Aston Villa is a prestigious club in England on the exterior. But inside, there are lots of things that need to be done…”


There is absolutely no excuse for not backing him to get promotion next year. We'll get massive parachute payments and will have the cash we so successfully avoided spending last month.

If these fucking charlatans running us have any clue, they'll realise that the obvious way back quickly is to firmly support a good manager. We've got the good manager, now they have got to back him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 09, 2016, 10:29:24 PM
I just love what he says. No fucking around with cliches. Part of that is that he's not one of the English lads off course. It's just honest. I am praying he stays
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 09, 2016, 10:30:47 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 09, 2016, 10:16:32 PM
Quote from: TheWarlock on February 09, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
“[Objectives and whether or not he stays should they be relegated] will be rediscussed once the next season begins its preparation. That means at the end of the campaign. I am ready to stay at this club if I am given the means required for promotion. Aston Villa is a prestigious club in England on the exterior. But inside, there are lots of things that need to be done…”


There is absolutely no excuse for not backing him to get promotion next year. We'll get massive parachute payments and will have the cash we so successfully avoided spending last month.

If these fucking charlatans running us have any clue, they'll realise that the obvious way back quickly is to firmly support a good manager. We've got the good manager, now they have got to back him.

I think I'll stop posting.

You can just sign off your posts with

pp Villa in Denmark.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eric woolban woolban on February 09, 2016, 10:31:42 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on February 08, 2016, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on February 07, 2016, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 07, 2016, 10:25:43 PM
Schmeichel, Huth, Vardy, Drinkwater, Inler

You're joking aren't you?! Anyone suggesting Vardy got booed off on this site when it was floated that we buy him. Schmeicher would have been too if anyone would have even thought of him. Huth has always been considered a donkey on here, and to have suggested signing him would have only pointed to how low we'd sunk...

I've been suggesting  Schmeichel as an upgrade on Guzan for a couple of seasons on here........
Peter?

Still our oldest Premier League goalscorer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 09, 2016, 10:34:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 09, 2016, 10:29:24 PM
I just love what he says. No fucking around with cliches. Part of that is that he's not one of the English lads off course. It's just honest. I am praying he stays

Yep. He seems to be the only one at the club able to speak in a direct and straightforward manner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 09, 2016, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: Bad English on February 09, 2016, 09:28:27 PM
Quote from: TheWarlock on February 09, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
Aston Villa is a prestigious club in England on the exterior. But inside, there are lots of things that need to be done…”

It's not Sir Graham's Aston Villa are a "shambles" line but he is saying the same thing.

It also suggests that there will be some sort of power struggle in the near future, unless the problems pre-date Fox/The German chap/Reilly and he's simply identified the dysfunctional areas.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 09, 2016, 10:46:50 PM
I would hate to be the cat in the Pearson household.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 09, 2016, 11:01:49 PM
This arsehole board had better equip whatever manager we have - Garde or otherwise- with what they need to get us back up pronto. That's what we expect from them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 09, 2016, 11:33:59 PM
Got to give him a pot to get the squad he wants to come back with. Shift some bigger earners and let him rebuild it please Villa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 09, 2016, 11:37:38 PM
I read in The Mirror yesterday that if we manage to save £23,000 on electricity savings between now and May Remi has been promised all of this to invest in new players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 09, 2016, 11:55:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 09, 2016, 10:16:32 PM
Quote from: TheWarlock on February 09, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
“[Objectives and whether or not he stays should they be relegated] will be rediscussed once the next season begins its preparation. That means at the end of the campaign. I am ready to stay at this club if I am given the means required for promotion. Aston Villa is a prestigious club in England on the exterior. But inside, there are lots of things that need to be done…”


There is absolutely no excuse for not backing him to get promotion next year. We'll get massive parachute payments and will have the cash we so successfully avoided spending last month.

If these fucking charlatans running us have any clue, they'll realise that the obvious way back quickly is to firmly support a good manager. We've got the good manager, now they have got to back him.

Why are they suddenly going to get smarter one league below?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 10, 2016, 12:00:10 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 09, 2016, 11:33:59 PM
Got to give him a pot to get the squad he wants to come back with. Shift some bigger earners and let him rebuild it please Villa.

The problem is Ozz, as we have found out over the past few years, is that it is hard to shift players on the kind of money that they won't earn elsewhere.  Prime example was that lot across the city and Zigic.   

The current side still needs some major investment though, as although we have some decent players, we need to strengthen the spine of the side (keeper, defensive midfielder, striker) and good players in those positions don't come cheap.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on February 10, 2016, 12:06:18 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 09, 2016, 11:55:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 09, 2016, 10:16:32 PM
Quote from: TheWarlock on February 09, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
“[Objectives and whether or not he stays should they be relegated] will be rediscussed once the next season begins its preparation. That means at the end of the campaign. I am ready to stay at this club if I am given the means required for promotion. Aston Villa is a prestigious club in England on the exterior. But inside, there are lots of things that need to be done…”


There is absolutely no excuse for not backing him to get promotion next year. We'll get massive parachute payments and will have the cash we so successfully avoided spending last month.

If these fucking charlatans running us have any clue, they'll realise that the obvious way back quickly is to firmly support a good manager. We've got the good manager, now they have got to back him.

Why are they suddenly going to get smarter one league below?

There is now, on the face of it at least, a proper governance structure in place that has evolved over the course of this season. Of course, the map is not the territory but I think Garde will be our indicator of whether they are serious. If he stays that is because they have convinced him of their ambitions.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on February 10, 2016, 12:15:30 AM
Quote from: TheWarlock on February 09, 2016, 09:25:10 PM
"I am ready to stay at this club if I am given the means required for promotion."

Ergo, Remi will be off because there is no conceivable way our owners will have either the courage or the knowledge to back him. Their track record is horrendous and relegation will send them even further into the vault.

As I have said before, Garde's departure could be the start of yet another period of churn and mayhem which could just send us even further downwards. Frightening, truly.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 10, 2016, 12:19:14 AM
"Don't clip my wings, because if you do you are wasting money, wasting your time and you will give yourself a heart attack." Graham Taylor, 1987.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on February 10, 2016, 04:44:58 AM
His comments in here too: http://thesun.uk/6019BwUIV
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on February 10, 2016, 05:03:40 AM
Quote from: Matt C on February 10, 2016, 04:44:58 AM
His comments in here too: [link to rag removed by me]
I don't think I have ever seen a link to that rag on here before.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 10, 2016, 05:15:50 AM
there's a first time for everything under the sun
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 10, 2016, 05:50:54 AM
The scary part is the "American owner has lost 300 million".
God almighty where has that gone, because  as a club we are no where near the level of 300 million investment, towards showing improvement as to where it matters on the pitch.
It is when you see figures like that, that you think that this club regardless of the structure in place now, argument to have whether they are the right people, but someone has to stop the mad American from making any more vital decisions, he really is totally clueless.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 10, 2016, 07:45:12 AM
You can soon get through £300 million with the help of Messrs O'Neill, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, Beye, Ireland, N'Zogbia, Given and all the black holes the club has shovelled money into post Ellis. Actually when you survey the landscape of our recent past I am surprised that it is not more.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on February 10, 2016, 08:39:42 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 09, 2016, 11:55:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 09, 2016, 10:16:32 PM
Quote from: TheWarlock on February 09, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
“[Objectives and whether or not he stays should they be relegated] will be rediscussed once the next season begins its preparation. That means at the end of the campaign. I am ready to stay at this club if I am given the means required for promotion. Aston Villa is a prestigious club in England on the exterior. But inside, there are lots of things that need to be done…”


There is absolutely no excuse for not backing him to get promotion next year. We'll get massive parachute payments and will have the cash we so successfully avoided spending last month.

If these fucking charlatans running us have any clue, they'll realise that the obvious way back quickly is to firmly support a good manager. We've got the good manager, now they have got to back him.

Why are they suddenly going to get smarter one league below?

That's it, in a nutshell. If anything, it's easier to preside over a club that keeps losing than one that keeps winning. We'll have to magically turn into a winning club to come straight back up. Garde's going to need all the backing in the world to achieve that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Adam Gittins on February 10, 2016, 09:38:54 AM
Worth rehashing this FourFourTwo article (http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/remi-garde-why-wengers-protege-could-be-perfect-man-rejuvenate-aston-villa#:AerVKqeZcVaoWw) that was floating around as he took the job. Specifically this paragraph:

Quote
One thing that may worry or give confidence to Villa's top brass is Garde’s stubbornness to protect his project. The Frenchman isn't one to sit back and let those above him walk all over his hard work. Last January, when Napoli made a €13 million bid for Garde’s captain Gonalons, the coach – keen to stress the importance of his midfield protector – gave the board an ultimatum: he was willing to quit there and then if his player was sold.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 10, 2016, 10:39:52 AM
Quote
“We might be in the Championship next season. The American owner has lost £300m. He wants to build something different.

That's the bit that got me, what does he want to build? he's already built a sinking ship..What's the next horror?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on February 10, 2016, 10:49:51 AM
A submarine.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 10, 2016, 11:01:47 AM
Quote from: Legion on February 10, 2016, 10:49:51 AM
A submarine.

Well if that's the case we will very soon be......20,000 leagues under the sea!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2016, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on February 10, 2016, 08:39:42 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 09, 2016, 11:55:58 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 09, 2016, 10:16:32 PM
Quote from: TheWarlock on February 09, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
“[Objectives and whether or not he stays should they be relegated] will be rediscussed once the next season begins its preparation. That means at the end of the campaign. I am ready to stay at this club if I am given the means required for promotion. Aston Villa is a prestigious club in England on the exterior. But inside, there are lots of things that need to be done…”


There is absolutely no excuse for not backing him to get promotion next year. We'll get massive parachute payments and will have the cash we so successfully avoided spending last month.

If these fucking charlatans running us have any clue, they'll realise that the obvious way back quickly is to firmly support a good manager. We've got the good manager, now they have got to back him.

Why are they suddenly going to get smarter one league below?

That's it, in a nutshell. If anything, it's easier to preside over a club that keeps losing than one that keeps winning. We'll have to magically turn into a winning club to come straight back up. Garde's going to need all the backing in the world to achieve that.

It's missing the point though that we appointed someone in Hollis with the main requisite being that he restructure the club.  We don't need the people who've made mistakes in the past to get smarter, we need the ones who've come in to be better than who've they replaced.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 10, 2016, 01:59:56 PM
What gets me is that financial planning for a football club is not difficult. It is complex for sure with staff that are in different stages of a contract, on vastly differing remuneration, residual values etc.

The income side is not difficult to predict as the various components do not vary dramatically from year to year. Even the relegation falling off a cliff impact is easy to predict.

You are then looking at how much of that income you spend and how much you save for a rainy day, alternatively how much you invest. Then it is a matter of spreading the expenditure over essentials and nice to have's. As a simple comparison look at fantasy football where you start with so much money and you decide where you spend your money. Three top strikers are going to blow the budget and you will be left with Guzan in goal and Richardson at left back. Shift N'Zogbia off the payroll and you have enough for two players etc. etc.

As I said not difficult but complex. Unless you run the 'what if's' scenarios when agreeing players contracts, you are going to mess up the finances big time and that is, I believe, how Lerner has got the club into a mess. Financial planning for 5 years ahead is essential so that you can monitor the impact of ups and downs and adjust accordingly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2016, 04:49:47 PM
there are 2 problems with that as I see it

The very planning that you endorse is the exact thing that causes some people to rant on and on about a lack of investment because of a poor net spend. It's completely misleading and ignores all good sense, proper financial management of a football club should focus around maximising your players (assets in this regard) to keep the value of the squad as high as possible.  If the right way to do that is to accept a big offer for a player and then spend the income but nothing more than that's ok.

The 2nd issue is the deprecating value of those assets based on fixed contracts.  To go with your analogy imagine you get those 3 strikers and then 1 of them is a complete flop but his value is constantly going down so by the time you give up on him you can only get a striker worth a 3rd of what you originally spent, that means your whole squad is worth less.  Have 2-3 players all do that at once and you're pretty much fucked without throwing extra money.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on February 10, 2016, 04:52:09 PM
not difficult but complex? how's that work then?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2016, 05:05:06 PM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on February 10, 2016, 04:52:09 PM
not difficult but complex? how's that work then?

Easily, give someone a spreadsheet with 10000 cells to fill in with numbers from paper records and it can be a complex task but it's all incredibly simple to do.  Complexity is often gives an illusion of difficulty but as soon as you find a pattern/process it all becomes very easy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TimTheVillain on February 10, 2016, 05:39:17 PM
I've had it confirmed that Remi is pissed of with Lerner. Remi says that the owner isn't interested and didn't back him on 2 decent signings he wanted to make in Jan.

He'll walk.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 10, 2016, 06:30:45 PM
Quote from: TimTheVillain on February 10, 2016, 05:39:17 PM
I've had it confirmed that Remi is pissed of with Lerner. Remi says that the owner isn't interested and didn't back him on 2 decent signings he wanted to make in Jan.

He'll walk.

No he isn't. I have that on good authority as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 10, 2016, 06:43:00 PM
I know sod all. I have that on the highest authority.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 10, 2016, 06:45:29 PM
I've had it confirmed that Ciggies knows sod all. Which is more than I know.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 10, 2016, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 10, 2016, 06:45:29 PM
I've had it confirmed that Ciggies knows sod all. Which is more than I know.

I have the authority to confirm that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on February 10, 2016, 07:58:47 PM
I have it confirmed that Remi will tell Lerner he is leaving while they are having a summer stroll around Doug's rose garden..
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 10, 2016, 08:57:07 PM
One of my post grad students was confirmed in Ely Cathedral. As I walked out I heard a voice from on high and it said "Fuck The Albion"  but nothing about Remi Garde or Randy Lerner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 10, 2016, 10:47:57 PM
the problem that I have is that we still don't have a discernible style of play. Maybe it's the lack of quality players or Garde not having his own players in but from game to game we're relying on a spark from somewhere, or a set-piece, to try and win a game. Until we can have a system first, then players playing into that system, and knowing what we are trying to do we'll stay stuck in a rut. I'm also one of those that hope Garde doesn't walk and that's also why I hope the fans get right behind him and give him and the team as much vocal support as is possible.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2016, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: peter w on February 10, 2016, 10:47:57 PM
the problem that I have is that we still don't have a discernible style of play. Maybe it's the lack of quality players or Garde not having his own players in but from game to game we're relying on a spark from somewhere, or a set-piece, to try and win a game. Until we can have a system first, then players playing into that system, and knowing what we are trying to do we'll stay stuck in a rut. I'm also one of those that hope Garde doesn't walk and that's also why I hope the fans get right behind him and give him and the team as much vocal support as is possible.

I disagree, the discernible style of play is that we let the opposition keep the ball in their own half but then we close them quickly once they cross halfway.  That has contributed to an improvement in our goal difference and makes us look more 'in control'.  Then we try to break quickly but the lack of quality up front scuppers that so instead we work the ball around a probe for errors but again the lack of quality up front means we don't get enough intelligent movement where it matters to create gaps.  The players who do make runs and like to get on the ball and commit people (Gil and Ayew) both have a bad habit of dropping too deep when we have the ball so they beat men and create space but do it 40 yards out where it's not hurting teams enough.  When they get the ball around the box is when we look dangerous.

I think a 3-4 (Amavi should be one of them) key players in this team would make a huge difference, fullbacks with real quality delivering the ball into the box or beating their man and a striker who can offer proper movement would help a lot.  Then another Veretout style midfielder who can pick up the ball and find players around the box but who also has the work rate to do the defensive side, I really want Grealish to develop into that player and I think it's the role he should be playing.  What that would do is allow/force Ayew and Gil to stay higher up the field when we attack so they can do more damage.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 11, 2016, 12:49:22 AM
Quote from: paul_e on February 10, 2016, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: peter w on February 10, 2016, 10:47:57 PM
the problem that I have is that we still don't have a discernible style of play. Maybe it's the lack of quality players or Garde not having his own players in but from game to game we're relying on a spark from somewhere, or a set-piece, to try and win a game. Until we can have a system first, then players playing into that system, and knowing what we are trying to do we'll stay stuck in a rut. I'm also one of those that hope Garde doesn't walk and that's also why I hope the fans get right behind him and give him and the team as much vocal support as is possible.

I disagree, the discernible style of play is that we let the opposition keep the ball in their own half but then we close them quickly once they cross halfway.  That has contributed to an improvement in our goal difference and makes us look more 'in control'.  Then we try to break quickly but the lack of quality up front scuppers that so instead we work the ball around a probe for errors but again the lack of quality up front means we don't get enough intelligent movement where it matters to create gaps.  The players who do make runs and like to get on the ball and commit people (Gil and Ayew) both have a bad habit of dropping too deep when we have the ball so they beat men and create space but do it 40 yards out where it's not hurting teams enough.  When they get the ball around the box is when we look dangerous.

I think a 3-4 (Amavi should be one of them) key players in this team would make a huge difference, fullbacks with real quality delivering the ball into the box or beating their man and a striker who can offer proper movement would help a lot.  Then another Veretout style midfielder who can pick up the ball and find players around the box but who also has the work rate to do the defensive side, I really want Grealish to develop into that player and I think it's the role he should be playing.  What that would do is allow/force Ayew and Gil to stay higher up the field when we attack so they can do more damage.

I agree with that, though I think our style of play is hampered by not having enough quality in the final third.  As you say, we get our full-backs into decent positions but the delivery is poor pretty much every time.  I also agree about a striker who can play off the shoulder of defenders and make runs in behind.  Our movement in the final third has been poor for a number of seasons now. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 11, 2016, 05:17:53 AM
After exhaustive enquires I have it confirmed that Remi is French
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 11, 2016, 07:33:36 AM
That is all well and good Mr Underwood but I have just pricked out (can I say that?) my radishes in my greenhouse and though the packet says very clearly 'French Breakfast' they come from Eccles and I intend to eat them for my tea.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on February 11, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 11, 2016, 12:49:22 AM
Quote from: paul_e on February 10, 2016, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: peter w on February 10, 2016, 10:47:57 PM
the problem that I have is that we still don't have a discernible style of play. Maybe it's the lack of quality players or Garde not having his own players in but from game to game we're relying on a spark from somewhere, or a set-piece, to try and win a game. Until we can have a system first, then players playing into that system, and knowing what we are trying to do we'll stay stuck in a rut. I'm also one of those that hope Garde doesn't walk and that's also why I hope the fans get right behind him and give him and the team as much vocal support as is possible.

I disagree, the discernible style of play is that we let the opposition keep the ball in their own half but then we close them quickly once they cross halfway.  That has contributed to an improvement in our goal difference and makes us look more 'in control'.  Then we try to break quickly but the lack of quality up front scuppers that so instead we work the ball around a probe for errors but again the lack of quality up front means we don't get enough intelligent movement where it matters to create gaps.  The players who do make runs and like to get on the ball and commit people (Gil and Ayew) both have a bad habit of dropping too deep when we have the ball so they beat men and create space but do it 40 yards out where it's not hurting teams enough.  When they get the ball around the box is when we look dangerous.

I think a 3-4 (Amavi should be one of them) key players in this team would make a huge difference, fullbacks with real quality delivering the ball into the box or beating their man and a striker who can offer proper movement would help a lot.  Then another Veretout style midfielder who can pick up the ball and find players around the box but who also has the work rate to do the defensive side, I really want Grealish to develop into that player and I think it's the role he should be playing.  What that would do is allow/force Ayew and Gil to stay higher up the field when we attack so they can do more damage.

I agree with that, though I think our style of play is hampered by not having enough quality in the final third.  As you say, we get our full-backs into decent positions but the delivery is poor pretty much every time.  I also agree about a striker who can play off the shoulder of defenders and make runs in behind.  Our movement in the final third has been poor for a number of seasons now. 

Part of Gabby's improvement last Saturday, I believe, was that he was leading the line and so getting into more dangerous positions and making runs like the one that lead to the second goal.  Hopefully when Ayew returns he won't go back to wandering round the flanks and basically not contributing a lot.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 11, 2016, 10:57:58 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 10, 2016, 06:45:29 PM
I've had it confirmed that Ciggies knows sod all. Which is more than I know.

I have an itk that confirmed to me that Ciggies n Beer is short for consumables known as cigarettes and beer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 11, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
Quote from: not3bad on February 11, 2016, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 11, 2016, 12:49:22 AM
Quote from: paul_e on February 10, 2016, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: peter w on February 10, 2016, 10:47:57 PM
the problem that I have is that we still don't have a discernible style of play. Maybe it's the lack of quality players or Garde not having his own players in but from game to game we're relying on a spark from somewhere, or a set-piece, to try and win a game. Until we can have a system first, then players playing into that system, and knowing what we are trying to do we'll stay stuck in a rut. I'm also one of those that hope Garde doesn't walk and that's also why I hope the fans get right behind him and give him and the team as much vocal support as is possible.

I disagree, the discernible style of play is that we let the opposition keep the ball in their own half but then we close them quickly once they cross halfway.  That has contributed to an improvement in our goal difference and makes us look more 'in control'.  Then we try to break quickly but the lack of quality up front scuppers that so instead we work the ball around a probe for errors but again the lack of quality up front means we don't get enough intelligent movement where it matters to create gaps.  The players who do make runs and like to get on the ball and commit people (Gil and Ayew) both have a bad habit of dropping too deep when we have the ball so they beat men and create space but do it 40 yards out where it's not hurting teams enough.  When they get the ball around the box is when we look dangerous.

I think a 3-4 (Amavi should be one of them) key players in this team would make a huge difference, fullbacks with real quality delivering the ball into the box or beating their man and a striker who can offer proper movement would help a lot.  Then another Veretout style midfielder who can pick up the ball and find players around the box but who also has the work rate to do the defensive side, I really want Grealish to develop into that player and I think it's the role he should be playing.  What that would do is allow/force Ayew and Gil to stay higher up the field when we attack so they can do more damage.

I agree with that, though I think our style of play is hampered by not having enough quality in the final third.  As you say, we get our full-backs into decent positions but the delivery is poor pretty much every time.  I also agree about a striker who can play off the shoulder of defenders and make runs in behind.  Our movement in the final third has been poor for a number of seasons now. 

Part of Gabby's improvement last Saturday, I believe, was that he was leading the line and so getting into more dangerous positions and making runs like the one that lead to the second goal.  Hopefully when Ayew returns he won't go back to wandering round the flanks and basically not contributing a lot.

Agree.  We don't have any other forwards who make those kind of runs (Ayew prefers to drift into wide positions).   Gabby unfortunately is only willing / able to make those type of runs a few times a game.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 11, 2016, 01:12:42 PM
That's not a style of play that's a tactical response to the lack of a style of play. We let the opposition have the ball because we are not mobile enough to close the ball, nor do we have decent covering midfielders that can plug gaps if we did attack the ball. We sit back because we have to. When we do get the ball we do try and spring from defence but that rarely gets us any further than 20 yards up the field.

There may be an intention to play a certain way but it is a long way from being there. Our 'style' is preventative first due to expediency and fear, not because of a well thought out plan.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TimTheVillain on February 11, 2016, 01:49:08 PM
Do any of you know where Remi lives in Birmingham ?

There's some eejuts on here still !
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 11, 2016, 01:51:42 PM
Quote from: TimTheVillain on February 11, 2016, 01:49:08 PM
Do any of you know where Remi lives in Birmingham ?

There's some eejuts on here still !

I have it on good authority that he lives in the UK.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: spk on February 11, 2016, 02:02:51 PM
I read that he rents an apartment in one of the "Nicer suburbs of Birmingham"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DB on February 11, 2016, 02:29:13 PM
Quote from: spk on February 11, 2016, 02:02:51 PM
I read that he rents an apartment in one of the "Nicer suburbs of Birmingham"

Druids Heath?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 11, 2016, 03:01:14 PM
Quote from: peter w on February 11, 2016, 01:12:42 PM
That's not a style of play that's a tactical response to the lack of a style of play. We let the opposition have the ball because we are not mobile enough to close the ball, nor do we have decent covering midfielders that can plug gaps if we did attack the ball. We sit back because we have to. When we do get the ball we do try and spring from defence but that rarely gets us any further than 20 yards up the field.

There may be an intention to play a certain way but it is a long way from being there. Our 'style' is preventative first due to expediency and fear, not because of a well thought out plan.

Of course it is, it's tactical which means it's therefore a style of play.  I say we let them keep it in their half because they can't do damage from there, you say it's because we're not talented or mobile enough to close them down sooner.  Either way Garde has us setup to play this style because he sees it as the best way to develop an effective style of play.  Given we have 8 points from the last 5 games I think it's fair to say that there is evidence to suggest that he's on the right track.  When we have the ball in the final 3rd we have very little pattern to our play (and this is what I think you're referring to) but as I say I think that's due to a lack of quality rather than a lack of intent.

The expediency and fear comment is strange though because how many clubs don't set up to use the players they have available as best as possible and to try to avoid conceding a bucketload every week?  Those 2 things are the absolute cornerstone of effective management (of any kind), use the resources you have available as best as you can and don't hamstring yourself by making things more difficult/complex than they need to be.  That should be the starting point of any management strategy when you join a team that's a bit fucked, stabilise things, get an idea for where the strengths and weaknesses are and then find a way to minimise those weaknesses and/or maximise the strengths.  Once you're 'there' you can then look at what you need to add to progress, and I think we're now at a fairly clear point where he's getting a decent return from what he has so he needs to make additions.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 11, 2016, 03:07:14 PM
I do think, unless you have a side full of top class players, that your style of play is largely based on what you have in attack, we have smeg all of note so as has been said, there is no defining style when we reach the last third.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TimTheVillain on February 11, 2016, 03:46:14 PM
I hope he stays and sees it through ... seems a top bloke, there's obviously a bit of Arsene Wenger in him - but he has a steely persona ...

Lerner didn't back him though, and it wrankles.

No interest in our great club anymore - maybe I'm saying the obvious, but I know for sure now !
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 11, 2016, 09:35:59 PM
Libor has an injured wrankle.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on February 11, 2016, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 11, 2016, 09:35:59 PM
Libor has an injured wrankle.

... or is his ankle possibly wrankled?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 11, 2016, 10:31:56 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 10, 2016, 04:49:47 PM
there are 2 problems with that as I see it

The very planning that you endorse is the exact thing that causes some people to rant on and on about a lack of investment because of a poor net spend. It's completely misleading and ignores all good sense, proper financial management of a football club should focus around maximising your players (assets in this regard) to keep the value of the squad as high as possible.  If the right way to do that is to accept a big offer for a player and then spend the income but nothing more than that's ok.

The 2nd issue is the deprecating value of those assets based on fixed contracts.  To go with your analogy imagine you get those 3 strikers and then 1 of them is a complete flop but his value is constantly going down so by the time you give up on him you can only get a striker worth a 3rd of what you originally spent, that means your whole squad is worth less.  Have 2-3 players all do that at once and you're pretty much fucked without throwing extra money.

I was only try to say that you have to financially plan your expenditure both in current time and the future.  To control your finances, you need to understand how it will change in the future depending on many variables.  I did mention investing as an option, not just balancing the books.

You are right in that you have to protect the value of the squad.  This is done by moving players on at the right time and controlling contracts.  We have done very poorly in this respect.  We have flipped from long term high value contracts, to allowing contracts to run down and back to long term contracts for players that do not warrant them (my opinion).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: manic-road on February 11, 2016, 10:33:04 PM
Quote from: TB on February 11, 2016, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 11, 2016, 09:35:59 PM
Libor has an injured wrankle.

... or is his ankle possibly wrankled?

That's why we didn't sign Hans Krankl all those years ago because he had a cranky ankle.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 11, 2016, 10:55:02 PM

Quote from: TimTheVillain on February 11, 2016, 01:49:08 PM
Do any of you know where Remi lives in Birmingham ?
In a house.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on February 11, 2016, 11:03:35 PM
Quote from: olaftab on February 11, 2016, 10:55:02 PM

Quote from: TimTheVillain on February 11, 2016, 01:49:08 PM
Do any of you know where Remi lives in Birmingham ?
In a house.
Well my source tells me it might be a very big house.
Title: should garde stay?
Post by: trevor fisher on February 11, 2016, 11:49:18 PM
Garde's interview in which he says that he will stay even in the CHampionship if he gets funds poses the question - do we want him to stay? My view is emphatically YES. While he has not had the spectacular turn around we want, the longer view is that Villa have been a master class in how not to run a football club under Lerner, the medium term view has to be that he has shown that he is capable of understanding the problems facing the Villa, and the short term view that in the next transfer window he has to be backed by the club with funds. That he did not walk when the massive snub to his judgement by having no players signed in the January window suggests he is committed

On the long term view we have shown two factors don't work. SPending big money is useless if the money is not well spent. If Lerner has spent £300 million he has nothing to show for it. Five successive relegation struggles and its fair that he is reluctant to spend more without a manager he can trust. Garde now knows the players and the problems, Villa have very deep rooted problems. There are no instant answers, what he can do remains to be seen but I like the appointment of Eric Black, a Ferguson graduate who has worked in France and speaks French... promising in many respects.

Its also fascinating that he is so calm and thoughtful. Occurs to me he has every incentive to succeed at the Villa. There is a bigger job coming up in the next 3-4 years. Arsenal. Wenger is coming to the end of his career. Whether as straight manager or assistant with a view to stepping up, Garde will make or break any chance of the Arsenal job he is so fitted for on paper. The Villa board should back him. He has to be better than continually changing managers. We have shown that like spending money, sacking the boss is no miracle cure.

Trevor Fisher.
Title: Re: should garde stay?
Post by: Deano's Mullet on February 11, 2016, 11:51:36 PM
Yes he should. I think we have a decent manager in the making. look at the rubbish left to him and he's slowly starting to turn it around. I can see him doing well in either the Championship or the Premier League. BUT he needs backing. We wont do anything if this cowardly and useless board stays as it is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 12, 2016, 12:07:12 AM
Quote from: Ian J on February 11, 2016, 11:03:35 PM
Quote from: olaftab on February 11, 2016, 10:55:02 PM

Quote from: TimTheVillain on February 11, 2016, 01:49:08 PM
Do any of you know where Remi lives in Birmingham ?
In a house.
Well my source tells me it might be a very big house.

I heard it was in the country.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 12, 2016, 12:40:24 AM
Garde ending up as Arsenal manager is as likely as Steve Bruce or Royston Keane getting the Yanited job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2016, 01:18:16 AM
talk of Garde ending up at Arsenal is no different to the hyperbole that surrounded Lambert joining us. That somehow we were going to be this stepping stone to him ending up at Dortmund. He did end up at a side beginning with B mind you but it wasn't where some thought he'd end up. There is a million miles between us and Arsenal, and if he ends up anywhere as good as that then we'll have done really, really well. In fact so well, that we might be just as attractive a proposition for him to stay longer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 12, 2016, 05:26:32 AM
I suppose if you scrunch up your eyes and then blink rapidly a few times, Dortmund does look a bit like Blackburn
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 12, 2016, 05:39:42 AM
Eyes really scrunched up but I can't for the life of me spot the Mercs, Audi's and BMWs in Blackburn or the food banks and kebab vans in Dortmund.

On topic and with my betting hat on I suspect Remi will eventually finish up at the Arsenal but via somewhere else, a knight's move. Two forward and one to the side.  Maybe a national coach.  I just want him to stay long enough to put all the crap behind us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 12, 2016, 07:02:06 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2016, 01:18:16 AM
talk of Garde ending up at Arsenal is no different to the hyperbole that surrounded Lambert joining us. That somehow we were going to be this stepping stone to him ending up at Dortmund. He did end up at a side beginning with B mind you but it wasn't where some thought he'd end up. There is a million miles between us and Arsenal, and if he ends up anywhere as good as that then we'll have done really, really well. In fact so well, that we might be just as attractive a proposition for him to stay longer.

True, it makes me feel sad thinking back to how hopeful we were that our problems with Lambert would be keeping hold of him. Sigh.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 12, 2016, 07:21:09 AM
Lambert either was not what we thought he was at Colchester and Norwich or he had some sort of major upheaval in his life that changed him when he was with us.  I have always suspected that it was the latter.  Perhaps his conduct at Blackburn will tell us which is the real Paul Lambert.  If he tries to do a Sherwood and back page himself from responsibility for his time with us it will give us a good idea of his true identity. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 12, 2016, 07:25:32 AM
didn't he get divorced whilst managing us? From experience a very traumatic process, especially when children are involved, and that's without the burden of  managing the mighty yet dysfunctional Villa
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passitsideways on February 12, 2016, 09:23:15 AM
The way I saw it with Lambert was that the fact that Norwich flew up two divisions meant that he had no reason/opportunity to develop contingencies for those occasions when his plan A didn't work, which accordingly meant that with us, given our crap squad and lack of funds, he basically had no breathing room for experimentation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2016, 10:35:32 AM
One of the big factors Lambert had was that he inherited a side with Grant Holt in it, who was too good for the lower leagues, and hit the sort of purple patch that players like Vardy are going through now, and carried that on for one season in the Premier League.  You just cannot understate the importance of a regular goal scorer to the fortunes of a manager.  Say Gestede had come in and not looked like Bambi in leg braces, and was on 15 goals for the season.  Sprinkle those 15 goals around our results randomly and we'd probably be comfortably top half, and we'd all be saying what a genius Tim Sherwood is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 12, 2016, 10:38:07 AM
13 games left - it was at this point last season that Sherwood took over.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 12, 2016, 11:07:12 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 12, 2016, 10:38:07 AM
13 games left - it was at this point last season that Sherwood took over.



And we lost the first 2 league games under Dim Tim.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on February 12, 2016, 11:38:31 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on February 12, 2016, 07:25:32 AM
didn't he get divorced whilst managing us? From experience a very traumatic process, especially when children are involved, and that's without the burden of  managing the mighty yet dysfunctional Villa

If it wasn't for Randy and Lambert's ex-wives, life would be a lot better for all of us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 12, 2016, 01:15:28 PM
Beat Liverpool and Stoke and we'll be in exactly the same position points wise as last season, with the number of games played.

We'd also be 3 points off 4th from bottom [my estimate] with the requirement of having to beat 4th from bottom.

A big ask, but you never know.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on February 12, 2016, 01:18:32 PM
Win on Sunday and chances of staying up improve to about 20%. Currently less than 10%
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TimTheVillain on February 12, 2016, 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 12, 2016, 12:07:12 AM
Quote from: Ian J on February 11, 2016, 11:03:35 PM
Quote from: olaftab on February 11, 2016, 10:55:02 PM

Quote from: TimTheVillain on February 11, 2016, 01:49:08 PM
Do any of you know where Remi lives in Birmingham ?
In a house.
Well my source tells me it might be a very big house.

I heard it was in the country.

You heard incorrectly ...
Title: Re: should garde stay?
Post by: gpbarr on February 12, 2016, 01:58:04 PM
Quote from: trevor fisher link=topic=54969.msg3016345#msg3016345 date=1455234558
We have shown that like spending money, sacking the boss is no miracle cure.

Trevor Fisher.
[/quote

Precisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 12, 2016, 02:17:11 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 12, 2016, 01:15:28 PM
Beat Liverpool and Stoke and we'll be in exactly the same position points wise as last season, with the number of games played.

We'd also be 3 points off 4th from bottom [my estimate] with the requirement of having to beat 4th from bottom.

A big ask, but you never know.

Our problem is that Liverpool have almost a good a record at Villa Park as Man U in the last 20 years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on February 12, 2016, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on February 12, 2016, 01:58:04 PM
Precisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in.

I'm not for one minute advocating sacking Garde but what is this 'strong evidence' you refer to?

To give two glaring examples against this, Chelsea have had 10 managers in the past 8/9 years and have won 8 trophies.  Arsenal on the other hand have had one manager and have needed double that time to win the same number of trophies.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 12, 2016, 05:49:49 PM
I think having shit loads of money and this the best squad you can buy helps those stats. I think lower down some firm of long term stability is moor productive.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 12, 2016, 07:07:25 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on February 12, 2016, 09:23:15 AM
The way I saw it with Lambert was that the fact that Norwich flew up two divisions meant that he had no reason/opportunity to develop contingencies for those occasions when his plan A didn't work, which accordingly meant that with us, given our crap squad and lack of funds, he basically had no breathing room for experimentation.
I see what you're saying and I agree with the sentiment about being upwardly mobile with his two previous clubs. However, he did actually have plenty of scope for experimenting with us - remember the 'it is all about the kids' phase, followed by bringing in some gnarled pros.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: class-of-82 on February 12, 2016, 07:28:46 PM
Where does remi live ?
Ain't got a clue
But I bet he has a garde dog
And a body garde maybe a fire garde to
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on February 12, 2016, 07:32:57 PM
Quote from: class-of-82 on February 12, 2016, 07:28:46 PM
Where does remi live ?
Ain't got a clue
But I bet he has a garde dog
And a body garde maybe a fire garde to

His garde 'n shed is bigger than my house, with a door and a window.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: class-of-82 on February 12, 2016, 07:41:50 PM
Boom boom
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on February 12, 2016, 08:17:32 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 12, 2016, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on February 12, 2016, 01:58:04 PM
Precisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in.

I'm not for one minute advocating sacking Garde but what is this 'strong evidence' you refer to?

To give two glaring examples against this, Chelsea have had 10 managers in the past 8/9 years and have won 8 trophies.  Arsenal on the other hand have had one manager and have needed double that time to win the same number of trophies.

As ozzjim remarked, set aside the top 3 in the last decade (actually 12 years given only those 3 clubs have won the PL in that time) - Chelsea, Man City, and Man Utd were some of the biggest spenders not just in English football but world football during that time. Once you get past them, there is a connection between those clubs who have achieved long term stability / success (winning trophies is not the be all and end all IMO - competitive, attractive football would be a great start) and those who seem to consistently fluctuate all over the place, or for whom survival is an annual rite. Remember, hiring and firing managers is in and of itself a very costly business given pay offs, buy outs etc (and boy do we know about that at Villa), added to the associated costs with a new manager wanting a new team, new players and so forth. Its really hardly surprising its hard to engender stability when you keep changing managers.



   

 
 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 13, 2016, 12:07:26 AM
If Garde was an ex Villa manager would he be an early Vic Crowe or an early Ron Saunders? I'm not thinking in terms of league position and players he has at his disposal but is is he having to turn it around to pass on to someone else to bring the club on even further? Or is he the one to take us further?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve R on February 13, 2016, 12:56:07 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 12, 2016, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on February 12, 2016, 01:58:04 PM
Precisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in.

I'm not for one minute advocating sacking Garde but what is this 'strong evidence' you refer to?

To give two glaring examples against this, Chelsea have had 10 managers in the past 8/9 years and have won 8 trophies.  Arsenal on the other hand have had one manager and have needed double that time to win the same number of trophies.

Relative to what they set out to do (and the money thrown at the problem) Chelsea have been a failure.

It has been over twenty years now since Bates started the overspending and Abramovic underwrote it retrospective then added bank loads of his own. Where they oght to be after that - and where they still want to be - is dominating Europe, up there with Real, Barca and Bayern. They do have a scummy pens win  Euro cup to their name, but that is well short of the success that they should have had given the money and players at their disposal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 13, 2016, 03:53:07 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

Objection!

(http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/315483/file-567176249-jpg/objection.jpg)

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 13, 2016, 04:48:36 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

Yes because we only played one game to win the European Cup that season, so all the other games we won to get to the final don't count. Wins against Dynamo Berlin or Kiev or Anderlecht should be dismissed. Also, the move leading up to the jammy winning goal was also very lucky. I mean what on earth was our left winger doing turning Weiner inside out and then laying a pinpoint cross into Withe?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard on February 13, 2016, 05:55:50 AM
I'm sorry to be so blunt at this time in the morning but Mellins comment above is quite possibly the most brain dead thing I've ever read on here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 13, 2016, 06:30:09 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.
We won it when it was more difficult to win. None of this losing games and getting away with it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Yossarian on February 13, 2016, 06:46:23 AM
Quote from: Steve R on February 13, 2016, 12:56:07 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 12, 2016, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on February 12, 2016, 01:58:04 PM
Precisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in.

I'm not for one minute advocating sacking Garde but what is this 'strong evidence' you refer to?

To give two glaring examples against this, Chelsea have had 10 managers in the past 8/9 years and have won 8 trophies.  Arsenal on the other hand have had one manager and have needed double that time to win the same number of trophies.

Relative to what they set out to do (and the money thrown at the problem) Chelsea have been a failure.

It has been over twenty years now since Bates started the overspending and Abramovic underwrote it retrospective then added bank loads of his own. Where they oght to be after that - and where they still want to be - is dominating Europe, up there with Real, Barca and Bayern. They do have a scummy pens win  Euro cup to their name, but that is well short of the success that they should have had given the money and players at their disposal.

Winning things is the not reason for all the investment though. Chelsea is a giant money laundering enterprise. When criminals invest in a company to wash their money they don't expect to get all the money they put in back. Over the years the Russian Oligarch has managed to pass billions of roubles through the west London club and buy himself a certain amount of legitimacy that keeps himself safe from Putin.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on February 13, 2016, 07:03:55 AM
Quote from: gpbarr on February 12, 2016, 08:17:32 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 12, 2016, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on February 12, 2016, 01:58:04 PM
Precisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in.

I'm not for one minute advocating sacking Garde but what is this 'strong evidence' you refer to?

To give two glaring examples against this, Chelsea have had 10 managers in the past 8/9 years and have won 8 trophies.  Arsenal on the other hand have had one manager and have needed double that time to win the same number of trophies.

As ozzjim remarked, set aside the top 3 in the last decade (actually 12 years given only those 3 clubs have won the PL in that time) - Chelsea, Man City, and Man Utd were some of the biggest spenders not just in English football but world football during that time. Once you get past them, there is a connection between those clubs who have achieved long term stability / success (winning trophies is not the be all and end all IMO - competitive, attractive football would be a great start) and those who seem to consistently fluctuate all over the place, or for whom survival is an annual rite. Remember, hiring and firing managers is in and of itself a very costly business given pay offs, buy outs etc (and boy do we know about that at Villa), added to the associated costs with a new manager wanting a new team, new players and so forth. Its really hardly surprising its hard to engender stability when you keep changing managers.



   

 
 

So this 'strong evidence' then?

The research projects I've read on the matter have been remarkably inconclusive.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldtimernow on February 13, 2016, 07:48:42 AM
Quote from: peter w on February 13, 2016, 12:07:26 AM
If Garde was an ex Villa manager would he be an early Vic Crowe or an early Ron Saunders? I'm not thinking in terms of league position and players he has at his disposal but is is he having to turn it around to pass on to someone else to bring the club on even further? Or is he the one to take us further?


I'd like to think that he will be a combination of both, a bit like Clark Kent/Superman
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 07:50:12 AM
Quote from: Yossarian on February 13, 2016, 06:46:23 AM
Quote from: Steve R on February 13, 2016, 12:56:07 AM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 12, 2016, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on February 12, 2016, 01:58:04 PM
Precisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in.

I'm not for one minute advocating sacking Garde but what is this 'strong evidence' you refer to?

To give two glaring examples against this, Chelsea have had 10 managers in the past 8/9 years and have won 8 trophies.  Arsenal on the other hand have had one manager and have needed double that time to win the same number of trophies.

Relative to what they set out to do (and the money thrown at the problem) Chelsea have been a failure.

It has been over twenty years now since Bates started the overspending and Abramovic underwrote it retrospective then added bank loads of his own. Where they oght to be after that - and where they still want to be - is dominating Europe, up there with Real, Barca and Bayern. They do have a scummy pens win  Euro cup to their name, but that is well short of the success that they should have had given the money and players at their disposal.

Winning things is the not reason for all the investment though. Chelsea is a giant money laundering enterprise. When criminals invest in a company to wash their money they don't expect to get all the money they put in back. Over the years the Russian Oligarch has managed to pass billions of roubles through the west London club and buy himself a certain amount of legitimacy that keeps himself safe from Putin.

Well put sir.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 13, 2016, 07:56:28 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

No. We won it over 90 minutes of football and did the most important thing once whilst Bayern failed to do so. Chelsea had 120 minutes and couldn't do the same. On the night they have to give the trophy to someone   the accepted way to decide is the lottery of a shoot out. We won a game of football to win the Cup. They didn't. I shall hear no more talk of them "deserving" it and us not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on February 13, 2016, 08:13:44 AM
Quote from: Richard on February 13, 2016, 05:55:50 AM
I'm sorry to be so blunt at this time in the morning but Mellins comment above is quite possibly the most brain dead thing I've ever read on here.

I'm inclined to agree with you Richard! Had to rub my eyes to even believe that had been written.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on February 13, 2016, 08:20:33 AM
I'm going back to bed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 08:27:56 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

Way to make yourself popular.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 13, 2016, 08:37:49 AM
Quote from: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 08:27:56 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

Way to make yourself popular.

If I've got the year right, chelsea did not even with the league the year before, so would/should not have even been in the competition.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on February 13, 2016, 09:06:13 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 13, 2016, 08:37:49 AM
Quote from: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 08:27:56 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

Way to make yourself popular.

If I've got the year right, chelsea did not even with the league the year, so would/should not have even been in the competition.
He got one thing right. I hate Chelsea.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hillbilly on February 13, 2016, 09:34:06 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 13, 2016, 08:37:49 AM
Quote from: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 08:27:56 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

Way to make yourself popular.

If I've got the year right, chelsea did not even with the league the year before, so would/should not have even been in the competition.
Also, let's not forget John Terry's full kit wank.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 13, 2016, 09:39:46 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

Clearly the winner of dumbest post of the year and it's only February.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 13, 2016, 09:48:47 AM
Quote from: Clampy on February 13, 2016, 09:39:46 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

Clearly the winner of dumbest post of the year and it's only February.

It's the dumbest post I have seen on here ever. If somebody said that in their first 10 comments, I am sure they would be sent packing by the mods as a suspected small heath infiltrator.

Come on Ref !.............Off ! Off ! Off !
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on February 13, 2016, 09:55:45 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

I'm totally indifferent to Chelsea.  Having said that to compare how they "won" that trophy to the way Villa won it is a total  non starter.  When a traditional tin pot club lifts trophies after a billion quid of financial doping  all is null and void. See also Man City.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on February 13, 2016, 10:01:09 AM
Christ, Mellin, you might as well have said Goebels was a nice chap, much nicer than that beastly Graham Taylor rotter.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 13, 2016, 10:10:42 AM
Oi Mellin !
That Ron Saunders bloke ? Overrated, only won one major trophy because some bloke scored 250 miles away, and never got us near the FA Cup. ( I don't count League Cups, they are on a par with Leyland Daf trophies).
Billy McNeill could have done for us what Fergie then did at United, if only he had been given time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu on February 13, 2016, 10:15:35 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

I can see this going well for you.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 13, 2016, 10:33:07 AM
Quote from: Billy Walker on February 13, 2016, 09:55:45 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

I'm totally indifferent to Chelsea.  Having said that to compare how they "won" that trophy to the way Villa won it is a total  non starter.  When a traditional tin pot club lifts trophies after a billion quid of financial doping  all is null and void. See also Man City.

Is the right answer. If only we had that amount of dirty money to buy our way to success. How gratifying that must be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 13, 2016, 10:33:51 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.
This is a typical example of the 'dumbing down' of football.
The Sky generation have a really, really skewed understanding of the game, and more depressingly, our club.

A 'jammy goal' ??
Chelsea 'deserved it' ??

Face palm.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve R on February 13, 2016, 10:36:44 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

I don't like Real, Barca or Bayern either, but that doesn't alter the fact that they occupy the top rung of the European ladder and Chelsea are below that, despite all the money that they have thrown at getting higher up.

BTW, totally agree that Abramovic has used Chelsea for other purposes; but the money poured in still carrie dthe objective of best of the top table.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 13, 2016, 10:40:24 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

I've slept on it. No, can't find any forgiveness for this comment. You should consider changing your name to Melon. That is all.

What you might also want to consider in this debate is that the format of the Champions League was altered so teams like Liverpool and Chelsea could win it because the top four, er, Champions from the Premier League get to enter the competition. Two things: shame it didn't happen earlier as we finished in the top four under BFR and Brian Little and might have enjoyed the riches. Secondly, that so called jammy goal scored by big Peter came after we won the league and only the Champions were allowed in to the competition. A fairer competition then in my view.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Exeter 77 on February 13, 2016, 10:41:06 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.
Jammy? Err.... didn't Chelsea win it on penalties (and the cliche of a shoot-out being a lottery which is the definition if someting being based on good luck) after being completely outplayed in the final and scrambling a last minute equaliser? Compared to Bayern's other European Cup Final defeats to English clubs (remember Manure scoring from two set pieces in stoppage time) Villa's win was a stroll in the park.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 13, 2016, 10:43:42 AM
Mellin's gonna wake up, get in, whatever, see all the responses he's solicited, and think, "Where the fuck did me winky smiley go?".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: London Villan on February 13, 2016, 11:06:05 AM
Nice that John Terry has signed up to H&V.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 13, 2016, 11:12:36 AM
Quote from: London Villan on February 13, 2016, 11:06:05 AM
Nice that John Terry has signed up to H&V.
He's the leader we've been crying out for, for years!!!
:-/
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Yossarian on February 13, 2016, 11:15:25 AM
Paul Tait, Robbie Savage and Robert Hopkins are fine upstanding gentlemen whereas Paul McGrath, Peter Withe and Ian Taylor are all Jeremy Hunts.

Hey, I am narcissist and I just need everyone to notice me even if what I say is complete tosh.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 13, 2016, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

Dear Mellin
Obviously describing the greatest goal ever scored as "jammy" was always going to provoke controversy. However, I have always thought that a bit of out of the box thinking and not just running with the pack is how many organisations progress.
I think the big problem was making your comparative analysis with those fine boys in blue from the west end of our fine capital city.

I myself would have worded it like this.

" You might not like Arsenal, but they have never won the Champions League even though they deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin. "

Nobody here is going to take issue with that are they ?
 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 13, 2016, 11:21:57 AM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 13, 2016, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

Dear Mellin
Obviously describing the greatest goal ever scored as "jammy" was always going to provoke controversy. However, I have always thought that a bit of out of the box thinking and not just running with the pack is how many organisations progress.
I think the big problem was making your comparative analysis with those fine boys in blue from the west end of our fine capital city.

I myself would have worded it like this.

" You might not like Arsenal, but they have never won the Champions League even though they deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin. "

Nobody here is going to take issue with that are they ?
no, as long as you edit the "jammy" bit
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 13, 2016, 11:23:45 AM
The Mafia used to have an old scam of building up a legitimate looking business, paying their bills on time every time for a few years, gain suppliers confidence before they'd put massive orders in for goods and disappear overnight with 0000's of dollars worth of stock.

Mellin's just done us, with comments like that he must be a Nose.






Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on February 13, 2016, 11:38:55 AM
Right now Mellin is on the Catholic Talk message board saying, "That Mohammed knew his onions. But this Jesus Christ bloke..."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 11:44:09 AM
Two pages of verbal :D I've done well there.

You'll have to excuse me, I'd had a few beers and didn't properly get my point across. Obviously we deserved it and it was incredible, jammy goal or not. My point is so did Chelsea. They did it against the odds (much like we did) and their comeback win over Napoli, semi final against Barca especially and late equaliser against Bayern were all brilliantly entertaining and showed real strength of character with an injury hit squad. Definitely not 'scummy'.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Fasth56 on February 13, 2016, 11:55:12 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 11:44:09 AM
Two pages of verbal :D I've done well there.

You'll have to excuse me, I'd had a few beers and didn't properly get my point across. Obviously we deserved it and it was incredible, jammy goal or not. My point is so did Chelsea. They did it against the odds (much like we did) and their comeback win over Napoli, semi final against Barca especially and late equaliser against Bayern were all brilliantly entertaining and showed real strength of character with an injury hit squad. Definitely not 'scummy'.

Point still not made, even after a drink fuelled sleep!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 13, 2016, 11:56:08 AM
It wasn't a jammy goal at all so you can drop that bollocks. And you seem to have a lot more knowledge of Chelsea's run to the cup than ours. Good for them for wining it but don't belittle our achievement in the process.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MarkM on February 13, 2016, 11:56:49 AM
Maybe it's me but I cant bring myself to support any other English team even playing in Europe
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MarkM on February 13, 2016, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 11:44:09 AM
Two pages of verbal :D I've done well there.

You'll have to excuse me, I'd had a few beers and didn't properly get my point across. Obviously we deserved it and it was incredible, jammy goal or not. My point is so did Chelsea. They did it against the odds (much like we did) and their comeback win over Napoli, semi final against Barca especially and late equaliser against Bayern were all brilliantly entertaining and showed real strength of character with an injury hit squad. Definitely not 'scummy'.

Your point being that you think Chelsea are ace! Init.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: MarkM on February 13, 2016, 11:56:49 AM
Maybe it's me but I cant bring myself to support any other English team even playing in Europe

It's not just you mate.

I hate all that jingoistic "get behind our boys" bollocks. These are our competitors, I hope they all crash and burn at the first hurdle.

I'll make exception for tin pot clubs that go far (Middlesborough for example)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 13, 2016, 12:03:57 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 11:44:09 AM
Two pages of verbal :D I've done well there.

You'll have to excuse me, I'd had a few beers and didn't properly get my point across. Obviously we deserved it and it was incredible, jammy goal or not. My point is so did Chelsea. They did it against the odds (much like we did) and their comeback win over Napoli, semi final against Barca especially and late equaliser against Bayern were all brilliantly entertaining and showed real strength of character with an injury hit squad. Definitely not 'scummy'.

Sorry, there are few clubs that deserve the epithet scummy but Chelsea sit there, quite comfortably keeping that lot from B9 and Leeds company, based on my 45 years of walking this earth.

Anything they do is inherently tainted by their vile fans from the 70's,  80's an d early 90's, glorifying thugs like Ron Harris, Vinnie Jones and Dennis Wise; Ken Bates generally being a c##t (electric fences for fans anyone) through to Abramovich buying himself immunity from Putin.

They are the scummiest of the scummy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Yossarian on February 13, 2016, 12:04:05 PM
Listen Kanye, Beck deserved his award and Chelsea's success bought off the back of a criminal enterprise was not deserved.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CJ on February 13, 2016, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on February 13, 2016, 11:38:55 AM
Right now Mellin is on the Catholic Talk message board saying, "That Mohammed knew his onions. But this Jesus Christ bloke..."

Or, "say what you want about Mussolini, but he got the trains running on time"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 13, 2016, 11:56:08 AM
It wasn't a jammy goal at all so you can drop that bollocks. And you seem to have a lot more knowledge of Chelsea's run to the cup than ours. Good for them for wining it but don't belittle our achievement in the process.

No point in focusing on our win. It's a Villa board. We all know and appreciate what happened. And it was a bit jammy. He tried to hit it with his foot. It hit his shin. It doesn't really matter. We still won.

If people aren't prepared to give Chelsea credit where it's due that's there perogative, but they were brilliant and I love them and wish I was Mark Stein.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on February 13, 2016, 12:19:06 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 13, 2016, 11:56:08 AM
It wasn't a jammy goal at all so you can drop that bollocks. And you seem to have a lot more knowledge of Chelsea's run to the cup than ours. Good for them for wining it but don't belittle our achievement in the process.

How the hell did we get onto the European Cup/Champions League in the REMI GARDE THREAD!? This site haha!

Anyway, my defence of our European Cup win is that like any other Cup run your final victory is made up of the effort over the previous rounds.  We were there in the final on merit just like Munich were, but on the day we had a world class goalkeeping performance, and we took our one big chance whereas they spurred a number of good ones.  Simply put we deserved it!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on February 13, 2016, 12:21:13 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

There's quite a few similarities from each final, apart from the obvious that Bayern were the opponents on both occasions. They had the majority of the play and created far more chances than Chelsea or Villa did. Both victories were born from solid defensive performances and (particularly in our case) an outstanding goalkeeping display. Both also made the most of the few opportunities they had in the attacking third of the pitch, one from a precise counter attack, one from set piece. The biggest difference though is this, Chelsea won their final on the LOTTERY of a penalty shoot out and you can't get any more 'jammy' than that. Villa won because we scored and they could not. True, there was a bit of luck involved to help us keep a clean sheet, but we didn't win by a lottery you foolish boy!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
Penalty shootouts aren't a lottery. They're about showing nerve and steel at a time when the pressure would be inexplicable. They deserved it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 13, 2016, 12:26:57 PM
just had to watch the goal again after all the hooha and I still maintain peter knew exactly what he was doing
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 13, 2016, 12:27:38 PM
How was Chelsea's win 'against the odds'? I know the plucky £1 billion pound underdogs played like shit, but really?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:33:54 PM
It's all relative. I'd say a man down at the Nou Camp and needing a goal, before even reaching half time, is a pretty decent example of against the odds. As is being 1-0 down in the final at your opposition's ground with a few minutes remaining.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on February 13, 2016, 12:40:19 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
Penalty shootouts aren't a lottery. They're about showing nerve and steel at a time when the pressure would be inexplicable. They deserved it.

In my view UEFA were taking the piss forcing a club of Chelsea's wealth stature to go through the ignominy of a penalty shoot out, imagine if one of their rich star players had slipped over when taking one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 13, 2016, 12:41:33 PM
If you mean Chelsea deserved it because of all the filthy lucre Abramovich had poured in, then yes, they absolutely deserved to fluke a penalty shoot-out after having their arses handed to them for 120-odd minutes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on February 13, 2016, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
Penalty shootouts aren't a lottery. They're about showing nerve and steel at a time when the pressure would be inexplicable. They deserved it.

Yes they are  >:(
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 13, 2016, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
Penalty shootouts aren't a lottery. They're about showing nerve and steel at a time when the pressure would be inexplicable. They deserved it.

Yes they are  >:(

They're not. It's another one of football's lazy clichés. It takes skill to score a penalty, even more so with the pressure ramped up to 11. Definitely not a lottery.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 13, 2016, 12:52:56 PM
Exactly.  Case in point:  JT Moscow.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on February 13, 2016, 12:55:50 PM
To be fair, how are penalty shoot outs a lottery? A lottery is a game of chance, where the individual has no influence on the outcome. If shoot outs are a lottery, then the Germans are extremely lucky.
 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Yossarian on February 13, 2016, 12:58:07 PM
On another hunch here but what's your opinion on Syria Mellin?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on February 13, 2016, 01:01:10 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 13, 2016, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
Penalty shootouts aren't a lottery. They're about showing nerve and steel at a time when the pressure would be inexplicable. They deserved it.
Yes they are  >:(

They're not. It's another one of football's lazy clichés. It takes skill to score a penalty, even more so with the pressure ramped up to 11. Definitely not a lottery.

Its an a mixture of the two I think.  Of course if you keep your nerve and have a really good goalkeeper then that goes a long way.  But unless you're totally spot on with every kick then a shoot out which goes the distance or beyond will require a bit of luck to win it.  NOW CAN WE TALK ABOUT REMI GARDE PLEASE!!! ARE YOU MODS ON YOUR HOLIDAYS?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on February 13, 2016, 01:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 13, 2016, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
Penalty shootouts aren't a lottery. They're about showing nerve and steel at a time when the pressure would be inexplicable. They deserved it.

Yes they are  >:(

They're not. It's another one of football's lazy clichés. It takes skill to score a penalty, even more so with the pressure ramped up to 11. Definitely not a lottery.

Try and think about how the result of a football match is determined ( i.e over 90 plus minutes) with it's almost endless possible variations...Then think about a penalty shoot out...It's called a lottery to demonstrate the difference between winning an actual game of football, or winning a set piece competition. Oh, and most cliches have an element of truth in them otherwise they'd never become cliches in the first place, lazy or not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 01:03:48 PM
Indeed, Pete. 11 penalties find the corner. They all go in. Southgate spanners one down the middle. He misses. He's failed to make proper contact and been punished for it.

Unlike Mr Withe ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 01:16:49 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 13, 2016, 01:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 13, 2016, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
Penalty shootouts aren't a lottery. They're about showing nerve and steel at a time when the pressure would be inexplicable. They deserved it.

Yes they are  >:(

They're not. It's another one of football's lazy clichés. It takes skill to score a penalty, even more so with the pressure ramped up to 11. Definitely not a lottery.

Try and think about how the result of a football match is determined ( i.e over 90 plus minutes) with it's almost endless possible variations...Then think about a penalty shoot out...It's called a lottery to demonstrate the difference between winning an actual game of football, or winning a set piece competition. Oh, and most cliches have an element of truth in them otherwise they'd never become cliches in the first place, lazy or not.

It's not called a lottery to demonstrate the difference between the two. It's called a lottery to demonstrate that people believe it to be a game of chance, which it isn't. Anyway, we both know where the other stands and aren't getting anywhere, so I'm bailing for a pint. May be on later to slag off William McGregor.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 13, 2016, 01:32:26 PM
I would say a penalty shoot out is a lottery when a keeper decides to dive one way before the ball is kicked and pushes the ball around the post.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 13, 2016, 01:33:55 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on February 13, 2016, 01:01:10 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 13, 2016, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
Penalty shootouts aren't a lottery. They're about showing nerve and steel at a time when the pressure would be inexplicable. They deserved it.
Yes they are  >:(

They're not. It's another one of football's lazy clichés. It takes skill to score a penalty, even more so with the pressure ramped up to 11. Definitely not a lottery.

Its an a mixture of the two I think.  Of course if you keep your nerve and have a really good goalkeeper then that goes a long way.  But unless you're totally spot on with every kick then a shoot out which goes the distance or beyond will require a bit of luck to win it.  NOW CAN WE TALK ABOUT REMI GARDE PLEASE!!! ARE YOU MODS ON YOUR HOLIDAYS?

We have a long history here of rambling off topic and gently meandering back again. Most posters like it that way and don't try to tell us how to do our job. They particularly don't shout.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu on February 13, 2016, 01:39:42 PM
Remi Garde thinks Chelsea's win was lucky.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 13, 2016, 01:41:50 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 13, 2016, 01:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 13, 2016, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
Penalty shootouts aren't a lottery. They're about showing nerve and steel at a time when the pressure would be inexplicable. They deserved it.

Yes they are  >:(

They're not. It's another one of football's lazy clichés. It takes skill to score a penalty, even more so with the pressure ramped up to 11. Definitely not a lottery.

Try and think about how the result of a football match is determined ( i.e over 90 plus minutes) with it's almost endless possible variations...Then think about a penalty shoot out...It's called a lottery to demonstrate the difference between winning an actual game of football, or winning a set piece competition. Oh, and most cliches have an element of truth in them otherwise they'd never become cliches in the first place, lazy or not.

It's still not a lottery.

If you have one team who are very good at taking penalties with a keeper who is good at saving penalties, then you got a much better chance than a team who aren't good at penalties and a keeper who isn't good at saving them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 13, 2016, 02:16:50 PM
I agree that penalties aren't a lottery. Which is why I hooted with laughter when Terry fucked up against Man United in the Champs league and then started crying like a spoilt babby.  Can anyone imagine Peter Withe blarting like a puff?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on February 13, 2016, 02:33:01 PM
Without prolonging this argument Mellin, can I just add that had the Bayern goalkeeper or any player if it comes to that, had attempted to clear his defensive lines and the ball had hit Peter Withe square in the mush without any attempt by him to play it, and ended up in the net then, that would be perceived as jammy. 

As it was, the big man attempted to play the ball that was passed to him by a player wearing the same colours as he was.  That the ball hit a divot as he was about to play it and it hit his shin and resulted in the same end product is totally irrelevant to your argument that he was jammy.  In short, he knew what he was doing, albeit in a different manner.  Believe me, I was there.

A night when big men stood up even bigger!

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2016, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: MarkM on February 13, 2016, 11:56:49 AM
Maybe it's me but I cant bring myself to support any other English team even playing in Europe

It's not just you.

I particularly fucking hate the assumption of commentators during these matches that we're all back home, rooting for the English club.

These are always the same three or four clubs. Why on earth would supporters of any other club want them to win it when all it does is make the financial gap bigger?

I honestly wish nothing but ill on English teams in Europe - unless it is a piss pot club like Fulham, for example.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on February 13, 2016, 02:42:21 PM
It would be different if it was a team of 11 Brits - I'd support them then against a European team.

But a bunch of the best players from around the world playing another bunch of the best players from around the world - I'm not going to support one over the other, just because they train in England.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 02:49:29 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on February 13, 2016, 02:33:01 PM
Without prolonging this argument Mellin, can I just add that had the Bayern goalkeeper or any player if it comes to that, had attempted to clear his defensive lines and the ball had hit Peter Withe square in the mush without any attempt by him to play it, and ended up in the net then, that would be perceived as jammy. 

As it was, the big man attempted to play the ball that was passed to him by a player wearing the same colours as he was.  That the ball hit a divot as he was about to play it and it hit his shin and resulted in the same end product is totally irrelevant to your argument that he was jammy.  In short, he knew what he was doing, albeit in a different manner.  Believe me, I was there.

A night when big men stood up even bigger!



The win was more than deserved and was a massive achievement for us. I wasn't trying to discredit it, just make a point in an admittedly clumsy fashion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on February 13, 2016, 02:57:24 PM
I forgive you.  Enjoy the weekend.   ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:05:43 PM
Thanks. Been eventful!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 13, 2016, 03:05:57 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 13, 2016, 02:42:21 PM
It would be different if it was a team of 11 Brits - I'd support them then against a European team.

Na, not even that. I never support another English team in Europe, in fact I actively want them to get knocked out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on February 13, 2016, 03:09:01 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 13, 2016, 01:41:50 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 13, 2016, 01:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 13, 2016, 12:44:57 PM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
Penalty shootouts aren't a lottery. They're about showing nerve and steel at a time when the pressure would be inexplicable. They deserved it.

Yes they are  >:(

They're not. It's another one of football's lazy clichés. It takes skill to score a penalty, even more so with the pressure ramped up to 11. Definitely not a lottery.

Try and think about how the result of a football match is determined ( i.e over 90 plus minutes) with it's almost endless possible variations...Then think about a penalty shoot out...It's called a lottery to demonstrate the difference between winning an actual game of football, or winning a set piece competition. Oh, and most cliches have an element of truth in them otherwise they'd never become cliches in the first place, lazy or not.

It's still not a lottery.

If you have one team who are very good at taking penalties with a keeper who is good at saving penalties, then you got a much better chance than a team who aren't good at penalties and a keeper who isn't good at saving them.

I think they're a lottery and not part of the match. When we beat Inter Milan Spink didn't save any penalties but we still won it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 13, 2016, 03:47:06 PM
I don't. There's no lottery that player A keeps calm and places it in the top corner and that player B bottles it and puts it in row ZZ. Same as a clear one on one isn't a lottery and player A scores with ease and player B panics and trips over his own feet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 03:53:18 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2016, 02:38:19 PM
Quote from: MarkM on February 13, 2016, 11:56:49 AM
Maybe it's me but I cant bring myself to support any other English team even playing in Europe

It's not just you.

I particularly fucking hate the assumption of commentators during these matches that we're all back home, rooting for the English club.

These are always the same three or four clubs. Why on earth would supporters of any other club want them to win it when all it does is make the financial gap bigger?

I honestly wish nothing but ill on English teams in Europe - unless it is a piss pot club like Fulham, for example.

Well quite, as I'd posted a few pages back:

Quote from: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: MarkM on February 13, 2016, 11:56:49 AM
Maybe it's me but I cant bring myself to support any other English team even playing in Europe

It's not just you mate.

I hate all that jingoistic "get behind our boys" bollocks. These are our competitors, I hope they all crash and burn at the first hurdle.

I'll make exception for tin pot clubs that go far (Middlesborough for example)


Great minds and all that.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2016, 03:55:58 PM
They are definitely not a lottery - a lottery implies no skill involved, whereas there is obviously skill in penalties (keeper and taker).

I think the confusion is that the result of a penalty shoot out is extremely hard to guess, and that is the reason we hear the word "lottery" applied to penalties - in that case it is more understandable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 13, 2016, 04:04:21 PM
The one thing you don't know is how players will react. Look at Baggio in '94 as an example, carried Italy almost single handedly to the final and then skied his penalty to give the trophy to Brazil. IIRC Baresi also skied his in the same shoot-out.

And as Paulie says, there's also skill and ability from keepers, look at how many Bosnich saved, that isn't luck.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 13, 2016, 04:19:40 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 13, 2016, 03:05:57 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on February 13, 2016, 02:42:21 PM
It would be different if it was a team of 11 Brits - I'd support them then against a European team.

Na, not even that. I never support another English team in Europe, in fact I actively want them to get knocked out.

There are mitigating circumstances. Yewnited, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leeds, Arsenal. The teams that have represented the PL over recent years have a long and prestigious history of being odious shitbags whose support is heavily supplemented by equally odious, mercenary shitbags.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 13, 2016, 04:23:20 PM
I laugh like a drain when English clubs fail in Europe. Not much on TV used to annoy as much as that twat Tyldesley during CL games acting like everyone in England wanted Manure/Chelsea etc to win.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 13, 2016, 04:33:53 PM
Even back to when I was a kid, I hated hearing that Liverpool had won again.

For some reason I was OK with Forest, even with Francis on board.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 13, 2016, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: MarkM on February 13, 2016, 11:56:49 AM
Maybe it's me but I cant bring myself to support any other English team even playing in Europe

It's not just you mate.

I hate all that jingoistic "get behind our boys" bollocks. These are our competitors, I hope they all crash and burn at the first hurdle.

I'll make exception for tin pot clubs that go far (Middlesborough for example)

So will Mellin, evidently.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 07:20:00 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on February 13, 2016, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: MarkM on February 13, 2016, 11:56:49 AM
Maybe it's me but I cant bring myself to support any other English team even playing in Europe

It's not just you mate.

I hate all that jingoistic "get behind our boys" bollocks. These are our competitors, I hope they all crash and burn at the first hurdle.

I'll make exception for tin pot clubs that go far (Middlesborough for example)

So will Mellin, evidently.

True dat homie.

I remember Chelsea as a kind of cockney mirror Small Heath, albeit with good away numbers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 13, 2016, 07:26:30 PM
Just as an aside on the penalty thing
I dont accept any team winning any trophy on penalties

so in my little world Liverpool have only won the European cup 3 times Man Utd twice,
Same for Brazil in world cups and FA Cups also

It makes for interesting debates in pubs, especially when drunk,
'You didn't win the game of football as it should be won therefore you won it by default, it doesn't count'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 13, 2016, 07:27:37 PM
So we shouldn't have been in the '94 LC final then?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 13, 2016, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 13, 2016, 07:27:37 PM
So we shouldn't have been in the '94 LC final then?

Only applies to actually winning the trophy
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 13, 2016, 07:32:48 PM
But how can penalties be fine in earlier rounds but not the final? What would you have done if we'd beaten Arsenal in May on pens?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 13, 2016, 07:35:21 PM
Quote from: john e on February 13, 2016, 07:26:30 PM
Just as an aside on the penalty thing
I dont accept any team winning any trophy on penalties

so in my little world Liverpool have only won the European cup 3 times Man Utd twice,
Same for Brazil in world cups and FA Cups also

It makes for interesting debates in pubs, especially when drunk,
'You didn't win the game of football as it should be won therefore you won it by default, it doesn't count'

I like this world view. Football would be far better if it was applied. I encourage you to run as president of FIFA.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 13, 2016, 07:39:14 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 13, 2016, 07:32:48 PM
But how can penalties be fine in earlier rounds but not the final? What would you have done if we'd beaten Arsenal in May on pens?

We didn't so I haven't got to worry about it
it's in my world so I make the rules

in all seriousness though I don't think that any major final European cup, World Cup or FA Cup should ever be won on a penalty shoot out,
That's just me though, yep you've all got to come back again Untill it's won properly
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 13, 2016, 07:45:43 PM
Quote from: john e on February 13, 2016, 07:39:14 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 13, 2016, 07:32:48 PM
But how can penalties be fine in earlier rounds but not the final? What would you have done if we'd beaten Arsenal in May on pens?

We didn't so I haven't got to worry about it
it's in my world so I make the rules

in all seriousness though I don't think that any major final European cup, World Cup or FA Cup should ever be won on a penalty shoot out,
That's just me though, yep you've all got to come back again Untill it's won properly
and we may not of won in 77
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 13, 2016, 07:48:19 PM
I can understand for European finals, we moan enough as it about cost to fans, having to keep travelling to other countries for finals is too much. Imagine if it went to a 2nd, 3rd or 4th replay, I don't think fans should be forking out thousands for multiple replays. It's a crap way to decide a final but is still the fairest I think. Certainly better than Golden Goal which I disliked even more than pens.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on February 13, 2016, 07:48:58 PM
Remember the Silver Goal?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 13, 2016, 07:51:40 PM
or decide on stats! possession, shots on target ?  ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 13, 2016, 07:51:40 PM
or decide on stats! possession, shots on target ?  ;)

More likely on shirt sales or key performance indicators.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 13, 2016, 07:58:54 PM
Tug-of-war.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 13, 2016, 08:00:58 PM
Rock paper scissors lizard Spock.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on February 13, 2016, 08:02:41 PM
If it's a draw after extra time, the trophy automatically goes to Villa.

Even if we're not playing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 13, 2016, 08:03:37 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 13, 2016, 07:48:19 PM
I can understand for European finals, we moan enough as it about cost to fans, having to keep travelling to other countries for finals is too much. Imagine if it went to a 2nd, 3rd or 4th replay, I don't think fans should be forking out thousands for multiple replays. It's a crap way to decide a final but is still the fairest I think. Certainly better than Golden Goal which I disliked even more than pens.

As fournichol says, the 2nd replay at OT in 77 was very memorable,
 glad it wasn't decided on penalties

It's different days now though the games changed, and a lot of the changes are for the better,
If we ever did win a final on penalties I might in true Marx brothers fashion have to change my principles
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 13, 2016, 08:12:52 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 13, 2016, 07:51:40 PM
or decide on stats! possession, shots on target ?  ;)

More likely on shirt sales or key performance indicators.

Coefficient of Carbon Neutrality, Shirley?

We could  then use our Carbon Credits to Offset our Clusterfuck Propensity Percentage.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on February 13, 2016, 08:17:23 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on February 13, 2016, 08:12:52 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 13, 2016, 07:51:40 PM
or decide on stats! possession, shots on target ?  ;)

More likely on shirt sales or key performance indicators.

Coefficient of Carbon Neutrality, Shirley?

We could  then use our Carbon Credits to Offset our Clusterfuck Propensity Percentage.
perfect, why didn't fifa think of that
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 13, 2016, 09:47:00 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 13, 2016, 08:17:23 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on February 13, 2016, 08:12:52 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 13, 2016, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on February 13, 2016, 07:51:40 PM
or decide on stats! possession, shots on target ?  ;)

More likely on shirt sales or key performance indicators.

Coefficient of Carbon Neutrality, Shirley?

We could  then use our Carbon Credits to Offset our Clusterfuck Propensity Percentage.
perfect, why didn't fifa think of that

No one's offered them enough money to "consider" it yet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 14, 2016, 09:05:33 AM
I've always liked my idea that in extra time each team must remove a player every five minutes so after, say, 20 minutes of ET it will be 7-a-side, much better chance of someone scoring.
Then if still no goals after 25 minutes the goalies have to come off, six-a-side with no goalkeepers for a while. If neither team can score in this scenario then neither of them deserve the trophy so it's not awarded!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on February 14, 2016, 09:05:33 AM
I've always liked my idea that in extra time each team must remove a player every five minutes so after, say, 20 minutes of ET it will be 7-a-side, much better chance of someone scoring.
Then if still no goals after 25 minutes the goalies have to come off, six-a-side with no goalkeepers for a while. If neither team can score in this scenario then neither of them deserve the trophy so it's not awarded!

They could do a rollover, the teams that wins it next year gets two wins next to their name.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 14, 2016, 09:54:15 AM
The trophy should be halved, like in horse racing.  If there is a dead heat, each owner holds the trophy for six months. Joint winners, nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 14, 2016, 10:44:46 AM
Quote from: brian green on February 14, 2016, 09:54:15 AM
The trophy should be halved, like in horse racing.  If there is a dead heat, each owner holds the trophy for six months. Joint winners, nothing wrong with that.

Stop being sensible.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rico on February 14, 2016, 10:47:57 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on February 13, 2016, 03:53:07 AM
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.

Jammy! There was nothing jammy about our win. Apart from the first round against Valur we played the best that Europe had to offer,  Dynamo Berlin were basically the East German national team, Dynamo Kiev same but Russian, Anderlecht were a top team too. Then onto the final. We weren't playing some duffers,  Bayern were and still are a proper powerhouse of a club. There was nothing jammy about losing our goal keeper early on and having to rely on a sub that most people had never seen play. There was nothing jammy about our first half performance where we were clearly the better team. There was nothing jammy about Tony Morley destroying their full-back and their was nothing jammy about Peter Withe being in the right place at the right time.

As for Chavski I actually detest them. Their fans are the most obnoxious wankers I have ever encountered on my travels as a football fan. I loathe them so much, I actually dislike them more than SHA and Brumie reds which says everything really.

One more thing about our jammy win. We had to be Champions to even be in the final. Chavski, if memory serves me right were not.

Rant over, feel better now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 14, 2016, 11:27:36 AM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on February 14, 2016, 09:05:33 AM
I've always liked my idea that in extra time each team must remove a player every five minutes so after, say, 20 minutes of ET it will be 7-a-side, much better chance of someone scoring.
Then if still no goals after 25 minutes the goalies have to come off, six-a-side with no goalkeepers for a while. If neither team can score in this scenario then neither of them deserve the trophy so it's not awarded!

I mostly agree with this but I'd bring a few more changes.  At 90 minutes you get an extra sub and you have 10 minutes of play, then they switch ends and remove a player and do 10 more minutes and drop to 9 players but then allow a 5th sub and then 2 more 10 minute 'blocks'.  once you've played 40minutes extra if it's still level I'd be tempted to go with Brian and just call it a draw.  The idea of extra subs is to stop the game slowing down too much.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Monty on February 14, 2016, 11:28:55 AM
Also, Chelsea's Champions League win was perhaps the flukiest fucking win ever. How they got to the final, never mind won it (on penalties - how's that for 'jammy'?), is totally beyond me. We beat Bayern in open play, not because Arjen Robben forgot how to kick a ball for a fraction of a second.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 14, 2016, 11:34:55 AM
Twenty minutes as now, two halves of ten minutes. And then ten minutes with two balls. Although we may need an extra referee.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on February 14, 2016, 12:02:01 PM
Peter Withe's goal was one of the best I've ever seen. The through ball from Gary Shaw was sublime, the wing play of Tony Morley mesmerised the Bayern centre half and Withe's positioning was perfect.

If that goal had been Hoddle to Ricky Villa to Ardiles, it would have been on the Match Of The Day credits from then until this day.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 14, 2016, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: Monty on February 14, 2016, 11:28:55 AM
Also, Chelsea's Champions League win was perhaps the flukiest fucking win ever. How they got to the final, never mind won it (on penalties - how's that for 'jammy'?), is totally beyond me. We beat Bayern in open play, not because Arjen Robben forgot how to kick a ball for a fraction of a second.
So were manure's two wins in the recent past.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt Collins on February 14, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
Quote from: Pete3206 on February 14, 2016, 12:02:01 PM
Peter Withe's goal was one of the best I've ever seen. The through ball from Gary Shaw was sublime, the wing play of Tony Morley mesmerised the Bayern centre half and Withe's positioning was perfect.

If that goal had been Hoddle to Ricky Villa to Ardiles, it would have been on the Match Of The Day credits from then until this day.

One of the best you've ever seen? For the occasion yes, but methinks you've got rose tinted spectacles and then some! Villa scored about ten better than that in the 92-93 season

Villa's fa cup goal is massively over rated too
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 14, 2016, 03:36:38 PM
Won't be at all shocked to see him call it quits this week. He's been incredibly let down by the club and players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 14, 2016, 03:40:49 PM
so is Remi still the man to lead us to a bright new future?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2016, 03:41:10 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 14, 2016, 03:36:38 PM
Won't be at all shocked to see him call it quits this week. He's been incredibly let down by the club and players.

On the other hand, he's hardly improved things much.  I know it's the shittest squad we've ever had, but still.  A coach who doesn't want to be here, and players who clearly don't want to play for him.  It's all just fundamentally broken.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 14, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 14, 2016, 03:41:10 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 14, 2016, 03:36:38 PM
Won't be at all shocked to see him call it quits this week. He's been incredibly let down by the club and players.

On the other hand, he's hardly improved things much.  I know it's the shittest squad we've ever had, but still.  A coach who doesn't want to be here, and players who clearly don't want to play for him.  It's all just fundamentally broken.

I'm not dismissing he's played a part in this but how on earth did it get this bad? Fundamentally broken is a good way of putting it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frank black on February 14, 2016, 03:46:26 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 14, 2016, 03:36:38 PM
Won't be at all shocked to see him call it quits this week. He's been incredibly let down by the club and players.

Won't be bothered if he quits.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2016, 03:48:27 PM
If I was him, i'd walk. The players have totally shit out today and let him down. The board let him down in January. I'd be out of VP quicker than shit through a goose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on February 14, 2016, 03:50:54 PM
The fans of the Cleveland Browns did warn us back in 2007. And they were right
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2016, 03:51:37 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on February 14, 2016, 03:50:54 PM
The fans of the Cleveland Browns did warn us back in 2007. And they were right

How did they know about Remi Garde?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 14, 2016, 03:51:42 PM
Me too. Good coach, right attitude but something had clearly gone to fuck this week because his hard work in the last 6 had just gone.  Might add well go now as in the summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: GarTomas on February 14, 2016, 03:55:47 PM
I hope he sticks around. He's actually the right kind of long term appointment we need. IMO.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MarkM on February 14, 2016, 03:59:46 PM
He has to take a share of the shit pie for today's disgrace
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2016, 04:03:16 PM
Quote from: MarkM on February 14, 2016, 03:59:46 PM
He has to take a share of the shit pie for today's disgrace

Apart from he didn't sign any of them and I very much doubt he trained them all weak to be inept defensively and have players actively hiding so much the commentators went into a long speech about how they could see them hiding.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2016, 04:07:14 PM
i think he's the wrong coach at the wrong time.  Probably exactly the sort of bloke you need to take a lower Premier League team to mid-table and above, but not in the position we're in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on February 14, 2016, 04:10:17 PM
I'd agree with that Risso.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on February 14, 2016, 04:16:45 PM
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Apart from he didn't sign any of them and I very much doubt he trained them all weak to be inept defensively and have players actively hiding so much the commentators went into a long speech about how they could see them hiding.

Come May he'll have been in charge for 3/4 of the season. He'll be accountable for results during that period.

As a result, he's toast.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 04:18:49 PM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on February 14, 2016, 04:16:45 PM
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Apart from he didn't sign any of them and I very much doubt he trained them all weak to be inept defensively and have players actively hiding so much the commentators went into a long speech about how they could see them hiding.

Come May he'll have been in charge for 3/4 of the season. He'll be accountable for results during that period.

As a result, he's toast.
Yet not one of those players did he bring in, he may well be toast but I do not hold him responsible.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2016, 04:22:02 PM
Yeah it's his fault we don't have a striker worthy of the name at the club. And the few supposed strikers we do have are injured. We finished today with Sinclair the closest thing to a striker at the club. Pep Guardiola would struggle with that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on February 14, 2016, 04:23:44 PM
Quote
he may well be toast but I do not hold him responsible.

I hold him responsible for not being good enough to effect a change.

We were down before he came; but we haven't even made a fist of it since he's been here.

I obviously don't know / see what he says in training, but fcuk me - continually playing Bacuna, Westwood, Richards hasn't done him any favours thats for sure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2016, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on February 14, 2016, 04:23:44 PM
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he may well be toast but I do not hold him responsible.

I hold him responsible for not being good enough to effect a change.

We were down before he came; but we haven't even made a fist of it since he's been here.

I obviously don't know / see what he says in training, but fcuk me - continually playing Bacuna, Westwood, Richards hasn't done him any favours thats for sure.

Did you see our bench today, who else is there? Chuck some kids into this? Play Hutton instead of Richards? I'm sure Garde would love to be able to play someone else instead of them but this is the squad he inherited.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 04:27:23 PM
The staggering failure to spend a single penny in the January transfer window was the point at which the club accepted things like this would happen.

To not have brought in a single player, not even a loan, was the ultimate "fuck you" to the fans, and a similar "fuck you" to the manager.

I hear people lament players like Bacuna and Westwood and wonder how they get a game, but surely a large part of that is that we have nothing better.

January was the chance to fix that. We opted not to even try.

The club is a laughing stock, an embarrassment - there is genuinely not one single thing to be positive about, nothing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Eigentor on February 14, 2016, 04:30:34 PM
He might not be the perfect fit at the current time, but I struggle to see the board appointing someone better if he walks.

I hope he stays, today notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 04:32:10 PM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on February 14, 2016, 04:23:44 PM
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he may well be toast but I do not hold him responsible.

I hold him responsible for not being good enough to effect a change.

We were down before he came; but we haven't even made a fist of it since he's been here.

I obviously don't know / see what he says in training, but fcuk me - continually playing Bacuna, Westwood, Richards hasn't done him any favours thats for sure.
What other choices does he have?
Although I am staggered that there isn't someone better than Bacuna in the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: jembob on February 14, 2016, 04:35:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 04:27:23 PM
The staggering failure to spend a single penny in the January transfer window was the point at which the club accepted things like this would happen.

To not have brought in a single player, not even a loan, was the ultimate "fuck you" to the fans, and a similar "fuck you" to the manager.

I hear people lament players like Bacuna and Westwood and wonder how they get a game, but surely a large part of that is that we have nothing better.

January was the chance to fix that. We opted not to even try.

The club is a laughing stock, an embarrassment - there is genuinely not one single thing to be positive about, nothing.
My nephew gave me a Villa key ring for Christmas and I have been very pleased with it. Therefore, not EVERYTHING is bad, but I can't think of much else good to be happy about.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2016, 04:37:01 PM
I was too skint to go today. I consider that a massive positive!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 14, 2016, 04:37:09 PM
That's something that irks me about Garde. This is a pitiful squad, but I refuse to believe that we haven't somehow stumbled across two or three extra wins. This league is fucking rubbish at the moment but we look exactly what we are - the bottom team. We may have beaten Palace and Norwich but I think he's had plenty of time to come up with some new ideas. I mean, to lose an entire front line is unfortunate but what was the plan today?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:37:39 PM
I like his personality but I worry about his selections and they look as up for games as a corpse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:37:39 PM
I like his personality but I worry about his selections and they look as up for games as a corpse.

As team selections go, who else could he have put in today?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:37:39 PM
I like his personality but I worry about his selections and they look as up for games as a corpse.

As team selections go, who else could he have put in today?

No you are right. Bacuna is definitely one of the best 5 midfielders we have at the club for a start. Silly me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on February 14, 2016, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 04:32:10 PM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on February 14, 2016, 04:23:44 PM
Quote
he may well be toast but I do not hold him responsible.

I hold him responsible for not being good enough to effect a change.

We were down before he came; but we haven't even made a fist of it since he's been here.

I obviously don't know / see what he says in training, but fcuk me - continually playing Bacuna, Westwood, Richards hasn't done him any favours thats for sure.
What other choices does he have?
Although I am staggered that there isn't someone better than Bacuna in the club.

He had to start with a striker he doesn't rate and said could leave in January. That's how desperate we are. In the normal world players like Gabby and Bacuna wouldn't play for us again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2016, 04:41:45 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:37:39 PM
I like his personality but I worry about his selections and they look as up for games as a corpse.

As team selections go, who else could he have put in today?

No you are right. Bacuna is definitely one of the best 5 midfielders we have at the club for a start. Silly me.

This was our outfield bench today, which one would you have picked for Bacuna's position today?

Clark, Sinclair, Richardson, Hutton, Lyden, Davis
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 04:42:18 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:37:39 PM
I like his personality but I worry about his selections and they look as up for games as a corpse.

As team selections go, who else could he have put in today?

No you are right. Bacuna is definitely one of the best 5 midfielders we have at the club for a start. Silly me.

Ok, so you leave out Bacuna. Who else?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2016, 04:41:45 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:37:39 PM
I like his personality but I worry about his selections and they look as up for games as a corpse.

As team selections go, who else could he have put in today?

No you are right. Bacuna is definitely one of the best 5 midfielders we have at the club for a start. Silly me.

This was our bench today, which one would you have picked for Bacuna's position today?

Any of them. Any position he fills is a wasted position, he is that bad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:45:35 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 04:42:18 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:37:39 PM
I like his personality but I worry about his selections and they look as up for games as a corpse.

As team selections go, who else could he have put in today?

No you are right. Bacuna is definitely one of the best 5 midfielders we have at the club for a start. Silly me.

Ok, so you leave out Bacuna. Who else?

Westwood. Those two are the chief culprits. We basically play with 9 men. Sinclair is a waste of space, not to the degree of those two clowns but he's another that sums up our forward line of nothingness and lack of care. Richards, shite too, not just shite on the pitch but has the air of couldn't give a fuckness around him that makes him worthless to us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 14, 2016, 04:46:04 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2016, 04:41:45 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:37:39 PM
I like his personality but I worry about his selections and they look as up for games as a corpse.

As team selections go, who else could he have put in today?

No you are right. Bacuna is definitely one of the best 5 midfielders we have at the club for a start. Silly me.

This was our bench today, which one would you have picked for Bacuna's position today?

Any of them. Any position he fills is a wasted position, he is that bad.
Agreed. A total and utter waste of space.
Why not play Lyden ? he cannot possibly be any worse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 04:46:31 PM
Oh and toss in Carlos Gil, he does nothing. He's like a good kid playing against grown men.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2016, 04:47:07 PM
I'd lay a pretty heavy bet that if we'd started with 9 men today we'd have conceded more than 6.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 04:48:37 PM
He went with the same side that won last time out which was fair enough I thought.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 04:49:30 PM
I was surprised Bacuna started the second half, he then went on to gift the 3rd goal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on February 14, 2016, 04:50:07 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 04:48:37 PM
He went with the same side that won last time out which was fair enough I thought.

Same here. Rather not play Westwood or Bacuna but not sure there were any viable options
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 14, 2016, 04:52:44 PM
I don't see any reason to not give some squad players a go. I get the whole 'we're not down yet' thing, but we are, aren't we? Besides which, it's not as if the "name" players are giving us much of a fighting chance is it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 04:56:16 PM
In my view he's totally blameless. Whatever line up he selects is inferior against any given opposition in this league, and he's not responsible for any of them.

He's got the shittest players and the shittest board in the league. What a fucking double whammy.

Him and the fans are the only two decent things left. We need to stick together.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 05:00:04 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 04:56:16 PM
In my view he's totally blameless. Whatever line up he selects is inferior against any given opposition in this league, and he's not responsible for any of them.

He's got the shittest players and the shittest board in the league. What a fucking double whammy.

Him and the fans are the only two decent things left. We need to stick together.

He had the shittest squad we've had in a long time, and we've just come out of a January window in which the club didn't get a single player in, not even a loan. Staggering.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on February 14, 2016, 05:02:16 PM
What squad options is he going to use , as it is he is reduced to sticking a 17 year old kid who has barely played for the under 21's?

Sanchez ,Grealish and Adama are all injured so who could he have stuck in today ?



Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: achilles on February 14, 2016, 05:04:43 PM
Can't he f**king motivate the players a bit more, instead of sending out the players looking as though they have pissed themselves!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 05:07:52 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2016, 04:47:07 PM
I'd lay a pretty heavy bet that if we'd started with 9 men today we'd have conceded more than 6.

I've seen 9 man teams put up more of a fight than we do. I'd be amazed if Liverpool got out of second gear. Keep picking the same players, it's obviously working.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on February 14, 2016, 05:10:20 PM
Some ex pro on the Talksport commentary mentioned that when we were one down and there was a break in play he was talking to the fourth official. They could not understand why he was not gathering the players around him. The inference was that he was showing no leadership or passion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 14, 2016, 05:11:45 PM
The frustrating thing is though, they have, apart from the Man City game, looked decent for the last few weeks, worked very hard and deserved some results.

I hate the hex like mentality some sides have over us I really do.


Garde must be so pissed off. We are the mentally weakest side ever. I can't wait for the day Lerner and the board go, and this squad, bar 2 or 3, are all fucking gone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 05:13:32 PM
Quote from: passport1 on February 14, 2016, 05:10:20 PM
Some ex pro on the Talksport commentary mentioned that when we were one down and there was a break in play he was talking to the fourth official. They could not understand why he was not gathering the players around him. The inference was that he was showing no leadership or passion.

I wouldn't be surprised if he can't be bothered with this mess now. It wasn't his and he wasn't backed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on February 14, 2016, 05:31:32 PM
I think he will walk , as after all if your  manager didn't support you or give you the necessary told for the job you would struggle .
His options for today were the 18 he picked with only untried under 21's left to consider. Who would have preferred Hutton for instance to Richards ? ( although he shows little commitment to the cause)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on February 14, 2016, 05:38:01 PM
He's not blameless but he bears less blame than the board, the players, and Sherwood. He had got us to improve over the last few weeks, which is impressive given the shit he has to work with.

But ideally I think we'd start next season with someone who could come in Graham Taylor like, and say this team is broken I am going to fix it. I think it's difficult for Garde to be that new broom now. It's a bit like Lambert who had a lot of mitigating factors and hands tied when he came, after a while that didn't matter he was associated with some horrendous results and couldn't shake it off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve R on February 14, 2016, 05:38:31 PM
Of all the things going wrong at the club right now, Garde is just about the last one to be pointing a finger at. We have just about lost everything that is Aston Villa, even the little things that put us a class apart.

I can't see Garde going out with his tail between his legs after a 6-0 drubbing, that would be tantamount to saying 'my fault'. But he will go soon, I sus[ect.

First out of the door has to be Slimy Fox. I have never been impressed by what he does or the way he does it. Unlike Garde, Hollis has had choices in the way he could approach his job. He (Hollis) hasn't exactly impressed either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on February 14, 2016, 05:44:23 PM
Maybe he just needs the money. It's the only thing that would keep me there in his position.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 14, 2016, 05:44:37 PM
I dont  think he is the right answer moving forward - this whole obsession with the French players just doesn't  tie up with the grit and determination we  need.

I feel sorry for him on the basis that he was obviously in the dark as to just how bad we actually are.

Expect him to wave an Au Revoir before the end of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on February 14, 2016, 06:07:45 PM
The French players don't have any less grit than the English players though. None of them have any grit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on February 14, 2016, 06:08:08 PM
If he walks, I can see our lot appointing someone like Steve Evans!  I wouldn't put it past them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 06:09:08 PM
Quote from: django on February 14, 2016, 06:07:45 PM
The French players don't have any less grit than the English players though. None of them have any grit.

Exactly, they can just pass a ball a little bit better, when it comes to grit and determination they fold just as easily, no more no less.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on February 14, 2016, 06:28:28 PM
I don't think Garde could have any complaints if he was fired in the next couple of days, I was a big supporter of getting him in btw.

I'm not denying he had a very difficult job when he came in but today was probably the most shameful Villa display in 25 -30 years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 14, 2016, 06:42:59 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on February 14, 2016, 06:08:08 PM
If he walks, I can see our lot appointing someone like Steve Evans!  I wouldn't put it past them.

They could just as easily appoint Chris Evans
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on February 14, 2016, 06:46:05 PM
When it boils down to it I would much rather have had allardyce.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 14, 2016, 06:46:40 PM
i do have some sympathy for garde but he and every player was gutless today

and yes poor him picking up more in wages in a couple of weeks than i do in a year

my heart bleeds
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 14, 2016, 06:55:15 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on February 14, 2016, 05:44:37 PM
I dont  think he is the right answer moving forward - this whole obsession with the French players just doesn't  tie up with the grit and determination we  need.

I feel sorry for him on the basis that he was obviously in the dark as to just how bad we actually are.

Expect him to wave an Au Revoir before the end of the season.

So we should recruit German or Italian players going forward? I can see that. Decent shout.

You are not suggesting that British or Irish players have more grit are you? Because that is demonstrably untrue.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 14, 2016, 07:02:53 PM
Have to say I think today's performance doesn't reflect well on Garde at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:06:00 PM
We're actually WORSE now than under Sherwood. I accept the shit players are not his fault but he's got nothing out of them. I could put up with being beaten every game for the rest of this season if we at least appear to be trying. That's not an unreasonable expectation is i,t even by our rock bottom standards. Even managing to organise a defence so they don't concede with the opposition's first attack is something even the poorest teams can manage. That's not an unreasonable expectation either in my book. You can be a desperately poor team and still tackle/mark/pass to each other - these skills are not the preserve of the Messi's of this world!! Either he's not teaching the utter basics of coaching or he is and has completely lost the players. Either way he's got to go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 14, 2016, 07:06:56 PM
If Mr Garde does decide he has had enough I think we should appoint Paul Scholes who would be a different type of manager to Remi Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:06:00 PM
We're actually WORSE now than under Sherwood. I accept the shit players are not his fault but he's got nothing out of them. I could put up with being beaten every game for the rest of this season if we at least appear to be trying. That's not an unreasonable expectation is i,t even by our rock bottom standards. Even managing to organise a defence so they don't concede with the opposition's first attack is something even the poorest teams can manage. That's not an unreasonable expectation either in my book. You can be a desperately poor team and still tackle/mark/pass to each other - these skills are not the preserve of the Messi's of this world!! Either he's not teaching the utter basics of coaching or he is and has completely lost the players. Either way he's got to go.
I think he may have lost the players and I would rather keep him than them,
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 14, 2016, 07:09:49 PM
I'm coming round to thinking that the total clear out should include the manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 07:10:07 PM
Any more ''performances'' and selections like today and he can join the shit heap in the clear out for all I care.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 07:10:53 PM
Quote from: peter w on February 14, 2016, 07:09:49 PM
I'm coming round to thinking that the total clear out should include the manager.

Me too. Nice guy, speaks eloquently but the team are still a rabble and his selections are as safe as you can get. We are rock bottom, we've needed wins.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:12:38 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:06:00 PM
We're actually WORSE now than under Sherwood. I accept the shit players are not his fault but he's got nothing out of them. I could put up with being beaten every game for the rest of this season if we at least appear to be trying. That's not an unreasonable expectation is i,t even by our rock bottom standards. Even managing to organise a defence so they don't concede with the opposition's first attack is something even the poorest teams can manage. That's not an unreasonable expectation either in my book. You can be a desperately poor team and still tackle/mark/pass to each other - these skills are not the preserve of the Messi's of this world!! Either he's not teaching the utter basics of coaching or he is and has completely lost the players. Either way he's got to go.
I think he may have lost the players and I would rather keep him than them,


Well that's another thing - why doesn't he drop them? It's not like its going to lead to worse results is it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:12:38 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:06:00 PM
We're actually WORSE now than under Sherwood. I accept the shit players are not his fault but he's got nothing out of them. I could put up with being beaten every game for the rest of this season if we at least appear to be trying. That's not an unreasonable expectation is i,t even by our rock bottom standards. Even managing to organise a defence so they don't concede with the opposition's first attack is something even the poorest teams can manage. That's not an unreasonable expectation either in my book. You can be a desperately poor team and still tackle/mark/pass to each other - these skills are not the preserve of the Messi's of this world!! Either he's not teaching the utter basics of coaching or he is and has completely lost the players. Either way he's got to go.
I think he may have lost the players and I would rather keep him than them,


Well that's another thing - why doesn't he drop them? It's not like its going to lead to worse results is it?

Drop them and play who instead?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:14:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:12:38 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:06:00 PM
We're actually WORSE now than under Sherwood. I accept the shit players are not his fault but he's got nothing out of them. I could put up with being beaten every game for the rest of this season if we at least appear to be trying. That's not an unreasonable expectation is i,t even by our rock bottom standards. Even managing to organise a defence so they don't concede with the opposition's first attack is something even the poorest teams can manage. That's not an unreasonable expectation either in my book. You can be a desperately poor team and still tackle/mark/pass to each other - these skills are not the preserve of the Messi's of this world!! Either he's not teaching the utter basics of coaching or he is and has completely lost the players. Either way he's got to go.
I think he may have lost the players and I would rather keep him than them,


Well that's another thing - why doesn't he drop them? It's not like its going to lead to worse results is it?

Drop them and play who instead?


the youth. They may not be any good but i'd bet they'd try.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2016, 07:18:09 PM
I don't recall anyone saying they weren't trying etc for the previous month or so. If anything it's been the fight and spirit that has been what has been picking up points. A lot of this side have shown they collapse at the drop of a hat for a few years now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 07:18:24 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:14:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:12:38 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:06:00 PM
We're actually WORSE now than under Sherwood. I accept the shit players are not his fault but he's got nothing out of them. I could put up with being beaten every game for the rest of this season if we at least appear to be trying. That's not an unreasonable expectation is i,t even by our rock bottom standards. Even managing to organise a defence so they don't concede with the opposition's first attack is something even the poorest teams can manage. That's not an unreasonable expectation either in my book. You can be a desperately poor team and still tackle/mark/pass to each other - these skills are not the preserve of the Messi's of this world!! Either he's not teaching the utter basics of coaching or he is and has completely lost the players. Either way he's got to go.
I think he may have lost the players and I would rather keep him than them,


Well that's another thing - why doesn't he drop them? It's not like its going to lead to worse results is it?

Drop them and play who instead?


the youth. They may not be any good but i'd bet they'd try.

Yes, then we could let them get destroyed mentally in the process.

What's the point in that?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2016, 07:19:50 PM
I'll add that normally i'd be for sticking some of the kids into the first team, but something like a 6 goal pasting could really fuck them up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 14, 2016, 07:22:16 PM
Bit of a cliche asking for the kids to be promoted. They're not good enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
Our 2 "strikers " are injured.
Ayew is suspended.
Hutton just back from injury.
Sanchez injured.
Grealish injured
Sinclair 1 goal in 18 games.
Not sure who could have played today although a dustbin could replace Bacuna.
The point is that he is not exactly spoilt for choice.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 14, 2016, 07:23:10 PM
Sorry Remi you fucked it up today. You need to learn from this. Either you can not motivate players to raise their game or you have the wrong players. I have lost a little trust in you and I will see what you will do in the summer before i restore my 100% backing. Time to sharpen this knife to cutout the rotten meat.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:24:55 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 07:18:24 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:14:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 07:13:32 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:12:38 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:06:00 PM
We're actually WORSE now than under Sherwood. I accept the shit players are not his fault but he's got nothing out of them. I could put up with being beaten every game for the rest of this season if we at least appear to be trying. That's not an unreasonable expectation is i,t even by our rock bottom standards. Even managing to organise a defence so they don't concede with the opposition's first attack is something even the poorest teams can manage. That's not an unreasonable expectation either in my book. You can be a desperately poor team and still tackle/mark/pass to each other - these skills are not the preserve of the Messi's of this world!! Either he's not teaching the utter basics of coaching or he is and has completely lost the players. Either way he's got to go.
I think he may have lost the players and I would rather keep him than them,


Well that's another thing - why doesn't he drop them? It's not like its going to lead to worse results is it?

Drop them and play who instead?


the youth. They may not be any good but i'd bet they'd try.

Yes, then we could let them get destroyed mentally in the process.

What's the point in that?

That's possible but it can also go the other way. They've got nothing to lose, more to the point, we've got nothing to lose, 4 or 5 youth teamers blooded till the end of the season would certainly come in handy for next. and restore a bit of belief and promise around the place. Watching the current wretched bunch stumble around the pitch does nothing for anyone
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 14, 2016, 07:52:13 PM
Today was another in a long line of hammering we've taken these past five years. Those saying it was the most humiliating game they've seen weren't at Stamford Bridge or Valley Parade or St Marys or the Emirates or the Ethiad.

Getting ritually smashed at least once a season is another one of our trademarks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 14, 2016, 07:54:02 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 14, 2016, 07:52:13 PM
Today was use another in a long line of hammering we'very taken these past five years. Those saying it was the most humiliating game they've seen weren't at Stamford Bridge or Valley Parade or St Marys or the Emirates or the Ethiad.

Getting ritually smashed at least once a season is another one of our trademarks.

Oh I don't know, a 6-0 hammering at home trumps any of those you mention.
We lost 6-0 AT HOME.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 07:56:32 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 14, 2016, 07:54:02 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 14, 2016, 07:52:13 PM
Today was use another in a long line of hammering we'very taken these past five years. Those saying it was the most humiliating game they've seen weren't at Stamford Bridge or Valley Parade or St Marys or the Emirates or the Ethiad.

Getting ritually smashed at least once a season is another one of our trademarks.

Oh I don't know, a 6-0 hammering at home trumps any of those you mention.
We lost 6-0 AT HOME.


Yep and you can't even claim it was a team playing out of their skin. Liverpool were average at best
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 14, 2016, 07:59:51 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 14, 2016, 07:52:13 PM
Today was another in a long line of hammering we've taken these past five years. Those saying it was the most humiliating game they've seen weren't at Stamford Bridge or Valley Parade or St Marys or the Emirates or the Ethiad.

Getting ritually smashed at least once a season is another one of our trademarks.

That is true. I was convinced were going to be smashed today, but I thought we would score as well.

At least my spread bet on total goals scored mitigated this latest  humiliation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 14, 2016, 08:01:17 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
Our 2 "strikers " are injured.
Ayew is suspended.
Hutton just back from injury.
Sanchez injured.
Grealish injured
Sinclair 1 goal in 18 games.
Not sure who could have played today although a dustbin could replace Bacuna.
The point is that he is not exactly spoilt for choice.
Yes, the majority of our players are shite, I think we all pretty much agree on that.
BUT, surely even the rabble we do have, could have been motivated enough to have shown some fight,passion,belief or endeavour today.
These are things that the manager can influence and he spectacularly failed today.
It looked to me that we appeared beaten before the game kicked off. We started negatively and got progressively worse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 14, 2016, 08:02:32 PM
Nah, the 8-0 at Chelsea was horrendous. 8-0 is what used to happen when you played under 11s football. I've never felt so angry as that walking up the King's Road, paying £55 notes to see Guzan save a penalty and spare us the joint 9-0 record.

Watching Aston Villa stopped being enjoyable at White Hart Lane, November 2011 and the beatings we have taken since, and there are a tonne of them, have become routine to the point where you struggle to be annoyed for longer than five minutes post game. We're going to be relegated and it will pass without even a flicker of emotion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 08:05:53 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 07:10:53 PM
Quote from: peter w on February 14, 2016, 07:09:49 PM
I'm coming round to thinking that the total clear out should include the manager.

Me too. Nice guy, speaks eloquently but the team are still a rabble and his selections are as safe as you can get. We are rock bottom, we've needed wins.

What do you mean 'safe' team selection? We've got 3 strikers out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
Bottom line is we're stuck with the majority of these players. He can't motivate them in any shape or form. With that scenario the manager goes - as true with Garde as it is with Mourinho
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 14, 2016, 08:12:54 PM
I'd much rather the players go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:14:06 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 14, 2016, 07:22:16 PM
Bit of a cliche asking for the kids to be promoted. They're not good enough.

Bang right.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on February 14, 2016, 08:14:15 PM
I'd much rather Lerner, Fox and Hollis went.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:15:06 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 14, 2016, 08:12:54 PM
I'd much rather the players go.


So would i, but it never happens
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
Bottom line is we're stuck with the majority of these players. He can't motivate them in any shape or form. With that scenario the manager goes - as true with Garde as it is with Mourinho

Why? Because someone needs to be sacrificed to appease the football gods?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
Bottom line is we're stuck with the majority of these players. He can't motivate them in any shape or form. With that scenario the manager goes - as true with Garde as it is with Mourinho

Why? Because someone needs to be sacrificed to appease the football gods?

no, because if you can't motivate players and they're don't want you there, then you can't manage
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 14, 2016, 08:23:32 PM
They were plenty motivated for Norwich. They're massively shit, collectively and largely individually. That's a pretty big problem.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 14, 2016, 08:01:17 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
Our 2 "strikers " are injured.
Ayew is suspended.
Hutton just back from injury.
Sanchez injured.
Grealish injured
Sinclair 1 goal in 18 games.
Not sure who could have played today although a dustbin could replace Bacuna.
The point is that he is not exactly spoilt for choice.
Yes, the majority of our players are shite, I think we all pretty much agree on that.
BUT, surely even the rabble we do have, could have been motivated enough to have shown some fight,passion,belief or endeavour today.
These are things that the manager can influence and he spectacularly failed today.
It looked to me that we appeared beaten before the game kicked off. We started negatively and got progressively worse.
For me it was the first goal, Sturridge walked into 5 yards of space in front of goal to score unchallenged, whilst Lescott was ball watching. After that we gave up which is disgraceful. You are right the Manager can not escape criticism for today's performance but he has not been able to change the squad in any way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 14, 2016, 08:25:55 PM
Reading his comments there I don't think Garde will be here at the end of May. First time I've thought that.




Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:26:40 PM
Norwich will get relegated along with us. I don't think either of the managers will keep their jobs this summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
Bottom line is we're stuck with the majority of these players. He can't motivate them in any shape or form. With that scenario the manager goes - as true with Garde as it is with Mourinho

Why? Because someone needs to be sacrificed to appease the football gods?

no, because if you can't motivate players and they're don't want you there, then you can't manage

He can't motivate them beyond their inherent shitness, so what? Who could? Paul McKenna?

Why sack him then? He seems to have realised quicker than most who is genuinely shit, so let him change everything in the summer and let's get the fuck on with sorting this godforsaken clusterfuck out.

Any new manager runs this serious risk of giving some of these arseholes another chance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 14, 2016, 08:56:34 PM
He's got the haunted look of a man who knows he won't be here to much longer
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:58:40 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
Bottom line is we're stuck with the majority of these players. He can't motivate them in any shape or form. With that scenario the manager goes - as true with Garde as it is with Mourinho

Why? Because someone needs to be sacrificed to appease the football gods?

no, because if you can't motivate players and they're don't want you there, then you can't manage

He can't motivate them beyond their inherent shitness, so what? Who could? Paul McKenna?

Why sack him then? He seems to have realised quicker than most who is genuinely shit, so let him change everything in the summer and let's get the fuck on with sorting this godforsaken clusterfuck out.

Any new manager runs this serious risk of giving some of these arseholes another chance.

yeah because selling 30 odd players who don't want to play for him is gonna happen. Apart from the inherent problem of clubs shying away from players who've spent the last season being butfucked by all and sundry every saturday, we have the problem of buying replacements. Like it or not the majority of these players who don't seem to want to lift a finger for the current manager will be here come August
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 09:00:59 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:58:40 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
Bottom line is we're stuck with the majority of these players. He can't motivate them in any shape or form. With that scenario the manager goes - as true with Garde as it is with Mourinho

Why? Because someone needs to be sacrificed to appease the football gods?

no, because if you can't motivate players and they're don't want you there, then you can't manage

He can't motivate them beyond their inherent shitness, so what? Who could? Paul McKenna?

Why sack him then? He seems to have realised quicker than most who is genuinely shit, so let him change everything in the summer and let's get the fuck on with sorting this godforsaken clusterfuck out.

Any new manager runs this serious risk of giving some of these arseholes another chance.

yeah because selling 30 odd players who don't want to play for him is gonna happen. Apart from the inherent problem of clubs shying away from players who've spent the last season being butfucked by all and sundry every saturday, we have the problem of buying replacements. Like it or not the majority of these players who don't seem to want to lift a finger for the current manager will be here come August

It isn't about "30 odd players" though, is it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 09:04:19 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 09:00:59 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:58:40 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
Bottom line is we're stuck with the majority of these players. He can't motivate them in any shape or form. With that scenario the manager goes - as true with Garde as it is with Mourinho

Why? Because someone needs to be sacrificed to appease the football gods?

no, because if you can't motivate players and they're don't want you there, then you can't manage

He can't motivate them beyond their inherent shitness, so what? Who could? Paul McKenna?

Why sack him then? He seems to have realised quicker than most who is genuinely shit, so let him change everything in the summer and let's get the fuck on with sorting this godforsaken clusterfuck out.

Any new manager runs this serious risk of giving some of these arseholes another chance.

yeah because selling 30 odd players who don't want to play for him is gonna happen. Apart from the inherent problem of clubs shying away from players who've spent the last season being butfucked by all and sundry every saturday, we have the problem of buying replacements. Like it or not the majority of these players who don't seem to want to lift a finger for the current manager will be here come August

It isn't about "30 odd players" though, is it?


well whom is currently looking like he'd die for the cause?  None of them imo. The last relegation was the same. Didn't stop a large proportion of those players mounting a promotion the next under a manager who could motivate them?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 09:05:24 PM
He's not getting much of a tune from them though is he. Today was appalling. Add it to Norwich, Sunderland, Man City. I like him but if the season completely implodes in to heavy defeats then his position is untenable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 09:07:11 PM
Looking like you die for a cause (and I don't think I've seen a single player look like that in the last thirty years) and being good enough to do a job for us are not the same thing, though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 09:07:52 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 09:05:24 PM
He's not getting much of a tune from them though is he. Today was appalling. Add it to Norwich, Sunderland, Man City. I like him but if the season completely implodes in to heavy defeats then his position is untenable.

Although not Norwich last week, though, obviously.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 09:09:38 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 09:07:52 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 09:05:24 PM
He's not getting much of a tune from them though is he. Today was appalling. Add it to Norwich, Sunderland, Man City. I like him but if the season completely implodes in to heavy defeats then his position is untenable.

Although not Norwich last week, though, obviously.

No, but let's be honest, they had more than a few guilt edged chances to score. They didn't because they're almost as shit as us but an average team would have bagged a couple of the sitters.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 14, 2016, 09:09:56 PM
Quote from: john e on February 14, 2016, 08:56:34 PM
He's got the haunted look of a man who knows he won't be here to much longer

Agreed and you can hardly blame him. We are a shambles and I don't believe things will change much next season unless there is a radical shift in mentality starting with Lerner and the board.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 09:11:45 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on February 14, 2016, 09:09:56 PM
Quote from: john e on February 14, 2016, 08:56:34 PM
He's got the haunted look of a man who knows he won't be here to much longer

Agreed and you can hardly blame him. We are a shambles and I don't believe things will change much next season unless there is a radical shift in mentality starting with Lerner and the board.

They aren't going to grow  a brain over night though, the longer they are here the more damage will be done. We will not get promoted with his lackeys running the show. Who on earth will be the next appointment? I dread to think who's going to be feeding us shit next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 09:07:11 PM
Looking like you die for a cause (and I don't think I've seen a single player look like that in the last thirty years) and being good enough to do a job for us are not the same thing, though.

They don't even appear interested half of them. I agree we have the squad with the right additions and letting go of the bad apples to mount a challenge next season. I don't think its with garde though. They don't seem to believe in him and after this awful season it will take a lot for them to start.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 14, 2016, 09:15:08 PM
Whoever is in charge needs to get rid of everyone and buy a team of good Championship/Div 1 players who are used to winning, especially at home.

We're so used to losing that we need to completely overhaul and get a group in who have not been part of the big load is cack of the last however many years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 14, 2016, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 09:07:11 PM
Looking like you die for a cause (and I don't think I've seen a single player look like that in the last thirty years) and being good enough to do a job for us are not the same thing, though.

They don't even appear interested half of them. I agree we have the squad with the right additions and letting go of the bad apples to mount a challenge next season. I don't think its with garde though. They don't seem to believe in him and after this awful season it will take a lot for them to start.

It's strange if that is the case as I find his interviews typically erudite and invariably 'on the button', basically someone I would want to work for.  I wonder what happens on the training pitch that would put the players off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 09:22:00 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 14, 2016, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 14, 2016, 09:07:11 PM
Looking like you die for a cause (and I don't think I've seen a single player look like that in the last thirty years) and being good enough to do a job for us are not the same thing, though.

They don't even appear interested half of them. I agree we have the squad with the right additions and letting go of the bad apples to mount a challenge next season. I don't think its with garde though. They don't seem to believe in him and after this awful season it will take a lot for them to start.

It's strange if that is the case as I find his interviews typically erudite and invariably 'on the button', basically someone I would want to work for.  I wonder what happens on the training pitch that would put the players off.


I like him. He never brings on the rage that Lambert and others did in his interviews.. Maybe that's the problem - he wouldn't scare the crap out of me if i was a player taking the piss and really if  a club ever needed a firm hand at the wheel its us currently
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on February 14, 2016, 09:23:29 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:58:40 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:20:51 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
Bottom line is we're stuck with the majority of these players. He can't motivate them in any shape or form. With that scenario the manager goes - as true with Garde as it is with Mourinho

Why? Because someone needs to be sacrificed to appease the football gods?

no, because if you can't motivate players and they're don't want you there, then you can't manage

He can't motivate them beyond their inherent shitness, so what? Who could? Paul McKenna?

Why sack him then? He seems to have realised quicker than most who is genuinely shit, so let him change everything in the summer and let's get the fuck on with sorting this godforsaken clusterfuck out.

Any new manager runs this serious risk of giving some of these arseholes another chance.

yeah because selling 30 odd players who don't want to play for him is gonna happen. Apart from the inherent problem of clubs shying away from players who've spent the last season being butfucked by all and sundry every saturday, we have the problem of buying replacements. Like it or not the majority of these players who don't seem to want to lift a finger for the current manager will be here come August

It isn't just the current manager, it's the previous one as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 09:31:10 PM
well yeah. apart from maybe houllier, since MON we haven't had a manager with real authority. Someone who can say, there's my record....I know more about this than you randy. Someone who the club should be grateful to employ rather than the other way around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on February 14, 2016, 09:49:36 PM
I haven't read the thread - but - let me guess? LTA has posted again?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on February 14, 2016, 09:52:21 PM
Today was not a managers fault (no - I am not an Garde apologist) it was about a squad of players that couldn't give a rats ass about anything. That Okore goes backwards when that cross came in - that is not a managers fault - purely an individual fault. And fuck me - I can't be bothered about the rest of the goals - mental break down
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 14, 2016, 09:57:09 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 14, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
Bottom line is we're stuck with the majority of these players. He can't motivate them in any shape or form. With that scenario the manager goes - as true with Garde as it is with Mourinho
Why? Because someone needs to be sacrificed to appease the football gods?
It's a valid point. If Garde can not motivate these players and they all have fat contracts so if the owner is not prepared to fund  new signings and a bomb squad then we are in deep trouble.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 14, 2016, 09:59:26 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on February 14, 2016, 09:52:21 PM
Today was not a managers fault (no - I am not an Garde apologist) it was about a squad of players that couldn't give a rats ass about anything. That Okore goes backwards when that cross came in - that is not a managers fault - purely an individual fault. And fuck me - I can't be bothered about the rest of the goals - mental break down


that's daft. why don't they give a rats arse? I know footballers are untouchable and you can't sack them for being useless BUT there's plenty of people who don't have have to worry about losing their job but would be VERY worried if they came in and had to face their boss after that? Thats the difference. Alex Ferguson couldn't cancel a player's contract anymore than Garde can, but he'd make their life pure misery
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 09:59:39 PM
Well we are certainly not going to be getting much for any players we sell, there are no crown jewels left. God knows where we are going to get funds to rebuild this shambolic squad of nobodies.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 14, 2016, 10:02:57 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on February 14, 2016, 09:52:21 PM
Today was not a managers fault (no - I am not an Garde apologist) it was about a squad of players that couldn't give a rats ass about anything. That Okore goes backwards when that cross came in - that is not a managers fault - purely an individual fault. And fuck me - I can't be bothered about the rest of the goals - mental break down

The players aren't good enough, that's the problem. Too many shit players at the club who are out of their depth in the PL. Whose fault is that?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 14, 2016, 10:05:08 PM
Quote from: john e on February 14, 2016, 08:56:34 PM
He's got the haunted look of a man who knows he won't be here to much longer

Or the haunted look of a man who knows he will be here for much longer. I know which option would scare me more :)

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 14, 2016, 10:06:08 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 09:59:39 PM
Well we are certainly not going to be getting much for any players we sell, there are no crown jewels left. God knows where we are going to get funds to rebuild this shambolic squad of nobodies.

I can see the team coach pulling up at Bassetts Pole car boot at daybreak with a cargo of horseshit to shift to the waiting 'collectors'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on February 14, 2016, 10:06:15 PM
Remi showed today he was incapable of motivating anybody or anything.
He stood there motionless, paralyzed with fear.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on February 14, 2016, 10:06:15 PM
Remi showed today he was incapable of motivating anybody or anything.
He stood there motionless, paralyzed with fear.

His selections have been extremely conservative, as have his substitutions. He's not the right man for an instant impact, great escape. He might be longer term but I haven't been too impressed with what's been served up on the pitch. This is coming from someone who wanted him.

It's very very doubtful we will get to see any long term plan of his in action anyway.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 14, 2016, 10:08:44 PM
Paralysed by fear? Fear of what?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on February 14, 2016, 10:15:14 PM
Fear of. I don't know what to fucking do?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 14, 2016, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 14, 2016, 10:08:44 PM
Paralysed by fear? Fear of what?

Remi suffers from Coulrophobia. Google it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on February 14, 2016, 10:19:38 PM
I'm not so sure it's a case of not knowing what to do.  I'd say it's more a case of knowing what to do but also knowing that he doesn't have the players to carry it out.  Hence his resigned expression.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on February 14, 2016, 10:06:15 PM
Remi showed today he was incapable of motivating anybody or anything.
He stood there motionless, paralyzed with fear.

His selections have been extremely conservative, as have his substitutions. He's not the right man for an instant impact, great escape. He might be longer term but I haven't been too impressed with what's been served up on the pitch. This is coming from someone who wanted him.

It's very very doubtful we will get to see any long term plan of his in action anyway.

Again, what other team could he have put out today other than the one he did? You're saying the same thing over and over again without any answer to it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on February 14, 2016, 10:06:15 PM
Remi showed today he was incapable of motivating anybody or anything.
He stood there motionless, paralyzed with fear.

His selections have been extremely conservative, as have his substitutions. He's not the right man for an instant impact, great escape. He might be longer term but I haven't been too impressed with what's been served up on the pitch. This is coming from someone who wanted him.

It's very very doubtful we will get to see any long term plan of his in action anyway.

Again, what other team could he have put out today other than the one he did? You're saying the same thing over and over again without any answer to it.

I've already explained to you that there are other players at the club other than Bacuna, Westwood and Sinclair etc. If you cannot get that through your head that's your problem. You are repeating yourself.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on February 14, 2016, 10:06:15 PM
Remi showed today he was incapable of motivating anybody or anything.
He stood there motionless, paralyzed with fear.

His selections have been extremely conservative, as have his substitutions. He's not the right man for an instant impact, great escape. He might be longer term but I haven't been too impressed with what's been served up on the pitch. This is coming from someone who wanted him.

It's very very doubtful we will get to see any long term plan of his in action anyway.

Again, what other team could he have put out today other than the one he did? You're saying the same thing over and over again without any answer to it.

I've already explained to you that there are other players at the club other than Bacuna, Westwood and Sinclair etc. If you cannot get that through your head that's your problem. You are repeating yourself.

So who would you have put in their place? And Sinclair didn't play.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on February 14, 2016, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 14, 2016, 10:02:57 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on February 14, 2016, 09:52:21 PM
Today was not a managers fault (no - I am not an Garde apologist) it was about a squad of players that couldn't give a rats ass about anything. That Okore goes backwards when that cross came in - that is not a managers fault - purely an individual fault. And fuck me - I can't be bothered about the rest of the goals - mental break down

The players aren't good enough, that's the problem. Too many shit players at the club who are out of their depth in the PL. Whose fault is that?
To be honest - I actually don't know - past managers, owner, board - ? I haven't got a fucking clue - but whoever it is - they are hurting me
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on February 14, 2016, 10:33:46 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on February 14, 2016, 10:06:15 PM
Remi showed today he was incapable of motivating anybody or anything.
He stood there motionless, paralyzed with fear.

His selections have been extremely conservative, as have his substitutions. He's not the right man for an instant impact, great escape. He might be longer term but I haven't been too impressed with what's been served up on the pitch. This is coming from someone who wanted him.

It's very very doubtful we will get to see any long term plan of his in action anyway.
Can you tell me what team he should have put out there? The bench today was like "oh - why didn't he start that one". We have a fucking shit team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:36:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on February 14, 2016, 10:06:15 PM
Remi showed today he was incapable of motivating anybody or anything.
He stood there motionless, paralyzed with fear.

His selections have been extremely conservative, as have his substitutions. He's not the right man for an instant impact, great escape. He might be longer term but I haven't been too impressed with what's been served up on the pitch. This is coming from someone who wanted him.

It's very very doubtful we will get to see any long term plan of his in action anyway.

Again, what other team could he have put out today other than the one he did? You're saying the same thing over and over again without any answer to it.

I've already explained to you that there are other players at the club other than Bacuna, Westwood and Sinclair etc. If you cannot get that through your head that's your problem. You are repeating yourself.

So who would you have put in their place? And Sinclair didn't play.

Any of the u21 midfielders and any of the u21 Strikers. Whoever they are will be more commited than those 2 jokes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 14, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
It was hardly a shock that he picked the same side that beat Norwich. It was the right thing to do. Garde could not for a second have expected us to fold the way we did. In fact, given our recent league form nobody saw today coming. We might have still lost, not in the manner that we did.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on February 14, 2016, 10:43:52 PM
Lets blame the manager then the fact that the club have not allowed him to buy any players in January even when he had said clearly that we needed better players coming in, the fact that the players he has at his disposal have proved many times over that they are just not good enough for the premiership, the fact that there are no younger players coming through that look anywhere near good enough but lets not loo at the obvious lets just blame the manager for not being able to turn lead into gold. I don't subscribe to the belief that the players don't care or don't try its just that they are not good enough to compete at Premiership level.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on February 14, 2016, 10:44:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 14, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
It was hardly a shock that he picked the same side that beat Norwich. It was the right thing to do. Garde could not for a second have expected us to fold the way we did. In fact, given our recent league form nobody saw today coming. We might have still lost, not in the manner that we did.
That's how I see it. We currently have incredibly few options up front. Our best chance was to keep it tight but a return to shocking defending undid us. After the third they collectively gave up. They keeping finding ways to shock us don't they?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:45:54 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 14, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
It was hardly a shock that he picked the same side that beat Norwich. It was the right thing to do. Garde could not for a second have expected us to fold the way we did. In fact, given our recent league form nobody saw today coming. We might have still lost, not in the manner that we did.

Maybe if we had tried something different earlier in the season we might be in a slighly better position than up shit creek without a paddle right now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 14, 2016, 10:51:08 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:45:54 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 14, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
It was hardly a shock that he picked the same side that beat Norwich. It was the right thing to do. Garde could not for a second have expected us to fold the way we did. In fact, given our recent league form nobody saw today coming. We might have still lost, not in the manner that we did.

Maybe if we had tried something different earlier in the season we might be in a slighly better position than up shit creek without a paddle right now.

You've lost me. What could he have tried earlier in the season that would have helped us today? Given the list of injuries, no incoming players in the window and on the back of a win, what changes would have made to today's starting line up that could have avoided what happened? The manager in no way saw this coming even though he privately knew the recent good form was built somewhat on sand.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on February 14, 2016, 10:52:03 PM
Jerrell Sellars, Andre Green, Corey Taylor on the bench at least, Gardner, Robinson, Baker out on loan when were down to the bare bones.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 14, 2016, 11:00:46 PM
I honestly wouldn't let any of the kids near our rabble at the moment.  It could kill their careers before they've even begun.

The bottom line is we are shit, our squad is shit and he must now muddle through till May.  Then we get rid of as many of these wankers that we can get any money for, the with possible exception of the French players and Okore, and try and build again.

Hopefully Grade will stay on but I think days like today make that prospect much less likely.  What a total balls up!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on February 14, 2016, 11:02:01 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:36:09 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 14, 2016, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on February 14, 2016, 10:06:15 PM
Remi showed today he was incapable of motivating anybody or anything.
He stood there motionless, paralyzed with fear.

His selections have been extremely conservative, as have his substitutions. He's not the right man for an instant impact, great escape. He might be longer term but I haven't been too impressed with what's been served up on the pitch. This is coming from someone who wanted him.

It's very very doubtful we will get to see any long term plan of his in action anyway.

Again, what other team could he have put out today other than the one he did? You're saying the same thing over and over again without any answer to it.

I've already explained to you that there are other players at the club other than Bacuna, Westwood and Sinclair etc. If you cannot get that through your head that's your problem. You are repeating yourself.

So who would you have put in their place? And Sinclair didn't play.

Any of the u21 midfielders and any of the u21 Strikers. Whoever they are will be more commited than those 2 jokes.

You can put flowers on a pile of shit and it looks better momentarily, but its still shit.

Garde was handed a pile of shit. Those calling for youngsters or criticizing him for not turning it round have spent too much time on their PlayStation playing Premiership Manager. This ship was doomed long before he arrived. Stop taking easy pot shots and start recognizing that the problem with AVFC rests in the boardroom. All I can say is that I'm glad Remi is a better man than me, because I'd have walked out of this mess when the bozzo's up above failed to provide the backing needed. Whether we will survive in the Championship is a distinct and serious question at this point.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 14, 2016, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:36:09 PM


Any of the u21 midfielders and any of the u21 Strikers. Whoever they are will be more commited than those 2 jokes.

So you haven't actually got an alternative other than "Somebody"?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 14, 2016, 11:59:54 PM
Garde isn't responsible for today's result.

It's a damning indictment of every employee of the club associated with the playing side, that we currently have the worst squad in living memory and yet there isn't a single reserve or academy players that's deemed worth trying - even from the bench.

However, Garde will be responsible for future results if he sticks with the same players and the same formula.  I don't care if we get more heavily defeated if he at least tries to do something different.   If he sticks with same losing formula then he's as culpable as the rest.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 15, 2016, 12:03:00 AM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 14, 2016, 11:59:54 PM
Garde isn't responsible for today's result.

It's a damning indictment of every employee of the club associated with the playing side, that we currently have the worst squad in living memory and yet there isn't a single reserve or academy players that's deemed worth trying - even from the bench.

However, Garde will be responsible for future results if he sticks with the same players and the same formula.  I don't care if we get more heavily defeated if he at least tries to do something different.   If he sticks with same losing formula then he's as culpable as the rest.



Sorry, but yes he is, to a degree. He didn't sign them granted, but he needs to get them to scrap and battle, close down and be more organized than they we today.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 15, 2016, 12:07:46 AM
Quote from: Risso on February 08, 2016, 10:48:38 AM
Guzan better than Bunn? Do me a favour. Neither the stats nor the evidence of my own eyes back up that assertion.

Your eyes still playing up?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 15, 2016, 12:19:46 AM
Quote from: Newby on February 15, 2016, 12:03:00 AM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 14, 2016, 11:59:54 PM
Garde isn't responsible for today's result.

It's a damning indictment of every employee of the club associated with the playing side, that we currently have the worst squad in living memory and yet there isn't a single reserve or academy players that's deemed worth trying - even from the bench.

However, Garde will be responsible for future results if he sticks with the same players and the same formula.  I don't care if we get more heavily defeated if he at least tries to do something different.   If he sticks with same losing formula then he's as culpable as the rest.



Sorry, but yes he is, to a degree. He didn't sign them granted, but he needs to get them to scrap and battle, close down and be more organized than they we today.

My point is that as a group they're so bad that I'm prepared to cut him a lot of slack.  But if he's got to realise that these players in this system are a basket case and therefore if he doesn't at least try to address it then he's a culpable as the rest.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tuscans on February 15, 2016, 12:24:15 AM
Quote from: Newby on February 15, 2016, 12:03:00 AM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 14, 2016, 11:59:54 PM
Garde isn't responsible for today's result.

It's a damning indictment of every employee of the club associated with the playing side, that we currently have the worst squad in living memory and yet there isn't a single reserve or academy players that's deemed worth trying - even from the bench.

However, Garde will be responsible for future results if he sticks with the same players and the same formula.  I don't care if we get more heavily defeated if he at least tries to do something different.   If he sticks with same losing formula then he's as culpable as the rest.



Sorry, but yes he is, to a degree. He didn't sign them granted, but he needs to get them to scrap and battle, close down and be more organized than they we today.
Easier said and done. I think that's exactly what he's trying to get them to do but players have to transfer that on the pitch and I just don't see them having the intelligence to do a lot of things.

Also I'm not a big believer in "manager" says this or that, "player" executes it like they're being controlled using a dualshock. It shouldn't take anyone on the planet to tell you to fight, win your battles and don't leave anything left on the pitch, it should be in you naturally as a human playing sport ... those on the pitch don't have the bottle or skill, no manager can change that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 15, 2016, 12:32:53 AM
Sunderland are worse than Villa, yet Fat Sam has them battling hard for each other.  It took for the revolt at Wycombe for the players and Manager to realise they are bottlers, non trying shitbag excuses for footballers. This is by no means all of Garde's fault as he's been handed the cards and has to play with them. But, he IS somewhat responsible for their motivation, organization and tactics. Yes they are mostly shit but Remi cannot be totally blameless.  Does he lack inspiration? Is there something lost in translation? I don't know.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 15, 2016, 12:40:35 AM
Sorry, but Sunderland are nowhere near as bad as we are. 

if nothing else they have someone who can score a goal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: conman on February 15, 2016, 12:50:53 AM
Quote from: Newby on February 15, 2016, 12:32:53 AM
Sunderland are worse than Villa, yet Fat Sam has them battling hard for each other.  It took for the revolt at Wycombe for the players and Manager to realise they are bottlers, non trying shitbag excuses for footballers. This is by no means all of Garde's fault as he's been handed the cards and has to play with them. But, he IS somewhat responsible for their motivation, organization and tactics. Yes they are mostly shit but Remi cannot be totally blameless.  Does he lack inspiration? Is there something lost in translation? I don't know.
I agree mate , Remi came into the club and inherited players he did not choose and was denied buying any in January, Thats not his fault , but what is his fault is the team lying down , rolling over , showing no commitment , not closing down and just going through the motions against Liverpool. It doesnt matter how good they are or who bought them ,,, its remis job to get them to try and make an effort during a footbal match ,
 The performance against Liverpool showed that the players are taking no notice , not listening to him and not trying.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 15, 2016, 02:40:49 AM
The capitulation and sending the same team out at half time is a concern. He looked and sounded defeated in the post game interview. I think he was genuinely shocked by the performance.
The question is now does he have the mentality to get through this and rebuild the team next season?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT Villan on February 15, 2016, 03:55:31 AM
I don't think it is Remi's fault that the players took it on themselves to gift Liverpool 6 goals today through very poor play - he certainly didn't send them out to play like that. I suspect at HT with us 'only' being 2 down, he thought we may still be in with a shout if we could nick a goal back early on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 15, 2016, 04:57:30 AM
I am not going to let Remi off the hook for that loss. It was awful. He messed up. The players messed up. Neither have messed up nearly as much as Lerner & the board by surrendering in January but still it was a poor job by our manager today.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on February 15, 2016, 05:47:00 AM
I find myself seriously doubting Garde for the first time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: NeilH on February 15, 2016, 06:23:01 AM
We are mentally fragile and for that the finger has to be pointed at Garde, a man that frankly looks broken by the whole experience over the last few months. In better circumstances we would have been a success at the club, had he replaced MoN who knows where we would be right now. At the moment, he's a man out if his depth in a shit storm that has engulfed him.
I am honestly beginning to think that we are becoming unmanageable and I cannot wait for this horror show to end and the sweet bliss of a summer break to come.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on February 15, 2016, 06:37:45 AM
NeilH. That's exactly how I feel about him and us..
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 15, 2016, 06:43:59 AM
Have not been 100% behind him, but when faced with other options I thought, stay with what we have.

When he came in , nearly all on here thought the players available would offer more than what they had shown under rent a quote, that to a very marginal level has been seen, what the club did to him in January was nothing short of disgraceful, but we are now into February and he no one else decided to stay.

We are without a striker, but I have not seen any alteration to our style of play, to get midfielders into the box to support what ever useless lump we have up there, draws will not get us out of this mess, so he has to twist to a certain extent and put the emphasis on bodies in the box, thee only time this happens now is when we have a dead ball, he may not have the options to insert other players whether it is the youth or who ever, but he does have the option to look at changing the way we approach a game.

I feel a lot of us welcomed him as it was a change from the British only mind set we have become use to and any fool can see he has taken on a poison chalice, but I do think his reasons and style, manner of answering questions after matches may have not been so happily received, if it was given out in a cockney twang, or a Scottish brogue.

No doubt a good man, just in the wrong place at the wrong time working for the wrong bosses.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 15, 2016, 07:19:54 AM
The cat in the Pearson household came out from under the sideboard at four o'clock yesterday afternoon.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 15, 2016, 07:24:10 AM
Yeah Brian but that was only because his son had finished doing what he was doing to it and I am told it is a Siamese cat.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 15, 2016, 07:34:36 AM
Agree Kuwait, straws in the wind and all that but I think the Pearson offer to pay for his own big net and tranquilizer gun will appeal to Mr Watch The Pennies Hollis.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 15, 2016, 07:47:27 AM
Surely Pearson isn't the only candidate. It could be set up for Moyes in the summer which I think would be best for all as Garde really looks broken. Also I'm concerned we are appointing too many chiefs behind the scenes. It's starting to look like last summer's window in that we needed somebody so went out and got as many as possible hoping that it would work out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 15, 2016, 07:53:13 AM
The board will go for anybody who will not make a fuss about their non-spending, if we recover somewhere in the region of 15 maybe 20 mill on what we get rid off, if they will take 10 and not say anything that will get them over the interview line and appointed. This does not end until Lerner has gone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 15, 2016, 07:58:35 AM
Well £50m was spent in the summer so there's nothing suggest that money won't be available again. Especially as we really need to bounce back first time. That the 50m was wasted is another story.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Damo70 on February 15, 2016, 08:03:07 AM
I would appoint Pearson tomorrow as a last throw of the dice to stay up and also the far more likely scenario of starting planning for promotion next season. I just have a feeling that Moyes' best days as a manager are behind him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on February 15, 2016, 08:05:51 AM
Quote from: peter w on February 15, 2016, 07:58:35 AM
Well £50m was spent in the summer so there's nothing suggest that money won't be available again. Especially as we really need to bounce back first time. That the 50m was wasted is another story.
But that money was mostly from the Benteke and Delph sales. I now think we will never rise again with Lerner at the helm and it will most likely get a lot worse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 15, 2016, 08:08:05 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 14, 2016, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:36:09 PM


Any of the u21 midfielders and any of the u21 Strikers. Whoever they are will be more commited than those 2 jokes.

So you haven't actually got an alternative other than "Somebody"?

Are you being deliberately dim to start an arguement? Take a look at our squad list, pick anyone, any kid from the youth team will show more heart and desire than than the feckless Bacuna. He is a complete waste of space, it's having the likes of him swanning around that's got us in the position we are in.

Lyden or Calder for a start. Bacuna never has and never will be a decent midfielder.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 15, 2016, 08:09:30 AM
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying I'd necessarily go for Moyes just that for those who are anti-Pearson there are alternatives. To be fair I'd be tempted to go for Howe. May be a very long shot but he may think he's done as much as he can with a club the size of Bournemouth. What hoes against us is that he'll be dropping a division. What's going for us is that we're a big club and if her gets it right he's looking at doing a lot more than he could at Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 15, 2016, 08:11:14 AM
Quote from: Newby on February 15, 2016, 12:03:00 AM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 14, 2016, 11:59:54 PM
Garde isn't responsible for today's result.

It's a damning indictment of every employee of the club associated with the playing side, that we currently have the worst squad in living memory and yet there isn't a single reserve or academy players that's deemed worth trying - even from the bench.

However, Garde will be responsible for future results if he sticks with the same players and the same formula.  I don't care if we get more heavily defeated if he at least tries to do something different.   If he sticks with same losing formula then he's as culpable as the rest.



Sorry, but yes he is, to a degree. He didn't sign them granted, but he needs to get them to scrap and battle, close down and be more organized than they we today.

They look as motivated and organised as a Sherwood team. The only thing he's done is got them a bit fitter as you'd expect as the season progresses a bit. If he doesn't have the dressing room then either he has to go or the players and how likely is it we will replace most of the squad in the summer? Another dead man walking.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 15, 2016, 08:18:20 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 15, 2016, 08:08:05 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on February 14, 2016, 11:32:13 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 14, 2016, 10:36:09 PM


Any of the u21 midfielders and any of the u21 Strikers. Whoever they are will be more commited than those 2 jokes.

So you haven't actually got an alternative other than "Somebody"?

Are you being deliberately dim to start an arguement? Take a look at our squad list, pick anyone, any kid from the youth team will show more heart and desire than than the feckless Bacuna. He is a complete waste of space, it's having the likes of him swanning around that's got us in the position we are in.

Lyden or Calder for a start. Bacuna never has and never will be a decent midfielder.

I'm not being deliberately dim; you're saying anyone and have finally given a couple of names. Incidentally, I don't start arguments. I just ban people.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 15, 2016, 08:22:04 AM
Come on we're all hurting right now. No need for insults or heavy handedness.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 15, 2016, 08:22:32 AM
Yes, it is more of the same medicine administered by Lambert. There clearly was an axis of austerity forged between Lerner and Lambert.  Lerner was told what he wanted to hear, namely that a lowering of expectations would enable a lowering of expenditure.

With Lerner still in place that philosophy is still in place.  It was firmly in place yesterday when Garde had to field a pathetically weak, unstrengthened team.  The only difference now is that in Lambert's time he was the willing instrument of Lerner's money clawback, now we have a potentially better manager but Hollis has been put in place to cut costs.  Fox is a busted flush. Remi Garde is the acceptable face of the club but behind the scenes the landscape remains the same.  Lerner and his advisors screwed up on the selling of the club so it becomes sweat the asset time.

Like everything that has happened in Lerner's tenure the timing is wrong.  Because Lambert was a good and loyal expectations reducer he was rewarded with a new contract when he should have been sacked and replaced by a Remi Garde or similar forward thinker. That could have got us out of the tailspin towards relegation and the massive financial damage that will entail.  Everything we are going through flows from Randy Lerner's bad judgement of people and of business.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 15, 2016, 08:26:55 AM
Well yes Brian but this has been said to death. After yesterday it's difficult to be angry after the shell shock and humiliation. But we're all now left with accepting relegation and in a huge spot of trouble.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 15, 2016, 08:34:10 AM
Yes it has been said a lot I agree but what is new, in my opinion of course is that the denial of funds in January to Remi Garde did not just come about through bad luck or circumstance, it was deliberate policy.  As for relegation, I accepted it before the clocks went back.  The chickens coming home to roost were plain to see.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 15, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
I don't think Bacuna was any worse than anyone else yesterday.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 15, 2016, 08:41:33 AM
As did I -relegation - but found myself seeing a 5 point gap and seeing a little light. That the players and the manager couldn't is mystifying as mush as disappointing. As for the transfer window it was a 50/50 whether we'd spend money due to the hopelessness of the situation. But as much as our league position would deter several potential signings I can understand why the board wouldn't sanction the spending on others. As it is all we seemed to really have had is a keeper with a failed work permit and another player who chose Newcaatle because of our league position.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: NeilH on February 15, 2016, 08:45:07 AM
I doubt there are many here that would would disagree with the refusal of funds being a deliberate move from the club. I suspect that they foolishly expected a bigger managerial bounce from Garde, because 'that's what happens.' There is simply little or no logic put into many of the decisions these days and this would be another one. Having said all of that, the fact remains that Garde looks like a dead man walking and the team is as divided now as it was in August. He's an articulate man who's carried himself with dignity through all of this, but I cannot see him surviving.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 15, 2016, 08:47:00 AM
Dead cat bounce? All we got is when a corpses eyelids flicker a bit and scare you. Remi is just another place holder for the remaining games before another ''plan'' is put in to action by people who don't know what they are doing. Whilst Lerner is in charge all his goons are just place holders, nothing of substance will be built.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on February 15, 2016, 08:58:25 AM
Quote from: Clampy on February 15, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
I don't think Bacuna was any worse than anyone else yesterday.

No, they were all fucking useless.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 15, 2016, 09:13:43 AM
I agree with all of that Peter. What I am trying to rationalise to my own satisfaction exactly what will start to happen in the summer.  Will Remi Garde stay?  I have serious doubts (see DW's comparison of Garde and Josef Venglos).  If he stays how tight will the purse strings be?  Will they be sufficiently loose to win the Championship at first attempt or will money management oblige the manager (whoever he is) that the play offs might be the first step on the road?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 15, 2016, 09:16:42 AM
Peter W yes we did spend 50 million last year, but as stated many times, that was in the main Benteke and snakes money, the players that will be going this summer will not bring in  alot, how much for
Guzan, Richards, Hutton, Okore, Westwood, Gill, Veretout, Ghana,Gabby, Ayew, Kozak, Gestede, Clark, Baker, Bennet, Lionel Messi Baccuna taking into account what we paid for them, some of those mentioned we could not shift apart from on loan, so why is someone going to start throwing money at Aston Villa for our dross.
When Garde goes and I think after yesterday that could even be before May, whoever wants to come in and replace that lot, or if not replace, upgrade should be given all the sympathy in the world, that or certifying.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 15, 2016, 09:20:00 AM
Brian as mentioned above, what we will see the start of is further decline in Randy Lerner FC, as cut after cut is implemented, no new money given to re-invest in players, who ever takes on the challenge, as stated before, this does not stop until we stop being Randy Lerner FC and come back to being Aston Villa F.C
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2016, 09:26:49 AM
Quote from: Clampy on February 15, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
I don't think Bacuna was any worse than anyone else yesterday.

Don't agree, even under the conditions of yesterday's omnishambles, he stood out as an atrocious excuse for a footballer.  Richards ran him a close second, mind.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on February 15, 2016, 09:27:36 AM
Quote
Peter W yes we did spend 50 million last year, but as stated many times, that was in the main Benteke and snakes money, the players that will be going this summer will not bring in  alot, how much for
Guzan, Richards, Hutton, Okore, Westwood, Gill, Veretout, Ghana,Gabby, Ayew, Kozak, Gestede, Clark, Baker, Bennet, Lionel Messi Baccuna taking into account what we paid for them, some of those mentioned we could not shift apart from on loan, so why is someone going to start throwing money at Aston Villa for our dross.

Indeed. And thats what will do for Fox/Reilly/Almstadt - they will carry the can for spunking the money on substandard players this summer. Whilst Garde will carry the can for not being able to gel sub-standard players into a coherent / semi competent team.

They'll be a cull come May. As DW said in his article a lot of people will go who don't deserve to go (those that work behind the scenes). But more positively, a lot of people will go who absolutely deserve to go (Fox/Reilly/Almstadt/Garde(?))



Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 15, 2016, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: Risso on February 15, 2016, 09:26:49 AM
Quote from: Clampy on February 15, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
I don't think Bacuna was any worse than anyone else yesterday.

Don't agree, even under the conditions of yesterday's omnishambles, he stood out as an atrocious excuse for a footballer.  Richards ran him a close second, mind.

I feel it's wrong to single people out after that utter shambolic performance because they should all take a share of the blame but if I was forced to pick one, it would be Richards. I had no idea where he was meant to be playing as he strayed out of position that much it was untrue. There was one moment where he lost the ball in the middle of the park, then just stood there with arms out without making any attempt to get back into position. It might explain Bacuna's performance as I presume he's was the one who was meant to be covering him when he went awol up the pitch, which he did nearly all game.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 15, 2016, 09:38:46 AM
Agree Kuwait.  I see the situation much more clearly and less emotionally than I did before Christmas.  My Damascene moment was when I read the simple words posted by Ads.  He described Steve Hollis as "a de facto administrator".   We are in administration in everything but name.  Lerner has put Hollis in place to oversee the minimising of expenditure (10p a mile car allowance at the Academy stopped) and maximising of income. Private administration.  I know the mileage thing was not a Hollis decision but a very big straw in the wind none the less.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 15, 2016, 09:44:39 AM
Bacuna was a bag of nerves made worse by the booing.  Richards was my Mandy of the Match because most of the others do seem to care a bit (very little bit in Lescott's case) but Richards clearly does not give a shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on February 15, 2016, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: Clampy on February 15, 2016, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: Risso on February 15, 2016, 09:26:49 AM
Quote from: Clampy on February 15, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
I don't think Bacuna was any worse than anyone else yesterday.

Don't agree, even under the conditions of yesterday's omnishambles, he stood out as an atrocious excuse for a footballer.  Richards ran him a close second, mind.

I feel it's wrong to single people out after that utter shambolic performance because they should all take a share of the blame but if I was forced to pick one, it would be Richards. I had no idea where he was meant to be playing as he strayed out of position that much it was untrue. There was one moment where he lost the ball in the middle of the park, then just stood there with arms out without making any attempt to get back into position. It might explain Bacuna's performance as I presume he's was the one who was meant to be covering him when he went awol up the pitch, which he did nearly all game.
My frustration with Bacuna is his inability to get the ball of the ground when he is trying to cross the ball..ever. For a proffesional footballer to be unable to do even that simple task is incredible.I don't believe that he lacks effort..he is just a very poor footballer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Olof's Beard on February 15, 2016, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: brian green on February 15, 2016, 09:44:39 AM
Bacuna was a bag of nerves made worse by the booing.  Richards was my Mandy of the Match because most of the others do seem to care a bit (very little bit in Lescott's case) but Richards clearly does not give a shit.

Richards made one of the most half arsed attempts to beat and then close down the opponent I have ever seen. It was in the second half, up by their byline. The guy barely broke into a sprint all game. You know someone is taking the piss when they offer absolutely nothing going forward but yet are constantly caught out of position at the back.

Remi keeps taking him off, I think he has his number but has had to play a bit nice because we've needed him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him dropped now though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 15, 2016, 09:52:37 AM
None of our lads made Garth Crook's Team of the Week. I've checked. You're welcome.  :)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on February 15, 2016, 09:53:49 AM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on February 15, 2016, 09:52:37 AM
None of our lads made Garth Crook's Team of the Week. I've checked. You're welcome.  :)
That made me smile for the first time today
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 15, 2016, 09:58:54 AM
My frustration with Bacunna is that he is a professional footballer and even worse making a living out of Randy Lerner FC
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2016, 09:59:35 AM
Quote from: Clampy on February 15, 2016, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: Risso on February 15, 2016, 09:26:49 AM
Quote from: Clampy on February 15, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
I don't think Bacuna was any worse than anyone else yesterday.

Don't agree, even under the conditions of yesterday's omnishambles, he stood out as an atrocious excuse for a footballer.  Richards ran him a close second, mind.

I feel it's wrong to single people out after that utter shambolic performance because they should all take a share of the blame but if I was forced to pick one, it would be Richards. I had no idea where he was meant to be playing as he strayed out of position that much it was untrue. There was one moment where he lost the ball in the middle of the park, then just stood there with arms out without making any attempt to get back into position. It might explain Bacuna's performance as I presume he's was the one who was meant to be covering him when he went awol up the pitch, which he did nearly all game.

Fair point Clampy.  Richards deserves more of the blame thinking about it.  Bacuna is just an incredibly poor footballer, but I suppose that that isn't really his fault, and I wouldn't actually accuse him of not trying, he's just rubbish.  Richards on the other hand, is experienced, has played for some top clubs, and is supposed to be our captain, but has made it crystal clear that he can't be arsed.  The fact that he's as bad as Bacuna isn't down to talent I don't think, but is entirely down to poor attitude.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wince on February 15, 2016, 10:00:04 AM
People doubting Garde: one constant in the 3 managers in a year is that our players have been shit, has-beens or never wills. If you dont back the manager then this shit will happen. I do strongly believe that Lerner is deliberatly cutting back so that the expenditure of the club will be lower in the championship. Yes, I know that he put his own money in but no matter who manages us, if we are just expected to make money and cling on to life by buying the cheapest option, then we are doomed and will end up sinking without a trace. To many non-football/villa people on the board, too many business men and a team that is demoralised, weak and devoid of options. Garde was not the best option but was likely the only option we had. I feel sorry for him and hope him the best when he finally walks away
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 15, 2016, 10:02:08 AM
Quote from: Risso on February 15, 2016, 09:59:35 AM
Quote from: Clampy on February 15, 2016, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: Risso on February 15, 2016, 09:26:49 AM
Quote from: Clampy on February 15, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
I don't think Bacuna was any worse than anyone else yesterday.

Don't agree, even under the conditions of yesterday's omnishambles, he stood out as an atrocious excuse for a footballer.  Richards ran him a close second, mind.

I feel it's wrong to single people out after that utter shambolic performance because they should all take a share of the blame but if I was forced to pick one, it would be Richards. I had no idea where he was meant to be playing as he strayed out of position that much it was untrue. There was one moment where he lost the ball in the middle of the park, then just stood there with arms out without making any attempt to get back into position. It might explain Bacuna's performance as I presume he's was the one who was meant to be covering him when he went awol up the pitch, which he did nearly all game.

Fair point Clampy.  Richards deserves more of the blame thinking about it.  Bacuna is just an incredibly poor footballer, but I suppose that that isn't really his fault, and I wouldn't actually accuse him of not trying, he's just rubbish.  Richards on the other hand, is experienced, has played for some top clubs, and is supposed to be our captain, but has made it crystal clear that he can't be arsed.  The fact that he's as bad as Bacuna isn't down to talent I don't think, but is entirely down to poor attitude.

It's really hard not to draw that conclusion on what I see too. Wanker.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: papa lazarou on February 15, 2016, 10:39:31 AM
Accepting that Garde inherited a load of dross, one constant is that with four managers I have regularly watched professional footballers that are incapable of making space, making themselves available for a pass, helping a team mate in trouble. We constantly see a player getting crowded and losing possession because there's nobody available. They stroll around watching as if it's not their job. Even if they are piss poor, this is a basic tactic and it is still happening.
Title: Remi Garde AKA (Dynamo)
Post by: thegreatdane on February 15, 2016, 10:46:10 AM
The amount of stick Remi Garde is getting today from fans on social media! Really?

What would people of liked to see yesterday? What change of tactics or different lineup?

Yesterday is nothing to do with the manager! Commitment and Pride can also win you games when you are playing against the 'bigger' teams and if we had an ounce of pride we could of took something against them! Can anyone really say they played well?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 15, 2016, 10:51:12 AM
Quote from: Newby on February 15, 2016, 10:50:45 AM
This needs a new thread?
Nope
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 15, 2016, 10:54:47 AM
Ta Dave.

Garde must take some responsibility too. Not to blame in terms of the players he has, but he does need to motivate and organize the team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 15, 2016, 10:59:59 AM
I think some of these shysters are beyond motivating though. They just don't give a shit.

They want to be paid first and foremost and everything else is a distant second with our 2 club captains Richards and Gabby leading the way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: thegreatdane on February 15, 2016, 11:02:57 AM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 15, 2016, 10:59:59 AM
I think some of these shysters are beyond motivating though. They just don't give a shit.

They want to be paid first and foremost and everything else is a distant second with our 2 club captains Richards and Gabby leading the way.

100% agreed! Well said!

Some of these useless tw*ts can not be motivated! They dont care!

Can not wait till a clear out, get the kids on the field for the rest of the season!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 15, 2016, 11:20:15 AM
Personally, I wouldn't let the kids anywhere near this car crash. Let the overpaid prima donnas make fools of themselves for the rest of the season to the derision of all around.

If they put in a good performance where they show some fight and pride then great. If they don't they can get slaughtered.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: thegreatdane on February 15, 2016, 11:27:53 AM
Fair point! They got into it, let them prove something or work to at least salvage some pride!

Nothing annoys me more than the distant relationship between the club and the fans!

Got Pompey written all over it
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve R on February 15, 2016, 11:46:29 AM
Quote from: Newby on February 15, 2016, 10:54:47 AM
Ta Dave.

Garde must take some responsibility too. Not to blame in terms of the players he has, but he does need to motivate and organize the team.

From what I have seen so far, Garde has motivated and organised the team. They look a whole lot fitter too. Maybe yesterday was more about reverting to type than anything. The team really is that crap, it's the two wins and two draws in five that preceded it that were an illusion and had us all fooled.

Maybe Garde should get the credit for the previous run of games rather than the brickbats for what happened on Sunday. To get that bad takes years of earnest incompetence wandering in the wrong direction, something which we have been doing in spades. It isn't going to change overnight and it isn't going to change without a few serious kicks in the teeth.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 15, 2016, 11:49:39 AM
Ever since DOL called sugarbags and fickle we seem to take it lying down. The club is a complete laughing stock. What can we as fans do to voice our complete disgust at the way things are? It's embarrassing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 15, 2016, 11:52:52 AM
He seems very conservative in his approach to the media and to the game itself, we have a major striker problem and surely one of the ways out of it, or at least attempt it, is to encourage your midfield players to get in there and support whoever is our lump up front, 0-0's are no good to us and I get the impression he sends the team out not to concede first and foremost. The time for a cautious approach has well gone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 15, 2016, 12:01:09 PM
But he doesn't have the players and when we had the chance to change things we were the only PL club to sign no one.

In the scheme of things Remi Garde is the least to blame for our current plight.  But as this cowardly board have hung him out to dry post Jan window I'm certain he'll walk come seasons end. And who could really blame him, he owes them nothing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 15, 2016, 12:02:14 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on February 15, 2016, 11:52:52 AM
He seems very conservative in his approach to the media and to the game itself, we have a major striker problem and surely one of the ways out of it, or at least attempt it, is to encourage your midfield players to get in there and support whoever is our lump up front, 0-0's are no good to us and I get the impression he sends the team out not to concede first and foremost. The time for a cautious approach has well gone.

Given we just lost 6-0 at home, and are essentially already relegated, I'm not sure throwing caution to the wind is really going to result in anything other than some more batterings.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 15, 2016, 12:08:56 PM
Paul, but then the manager has allowed the board to fulfill his future in January when they would not back him, I feel we are at the point when some (God I dont believe I am typing this), Sherwood bluff and blagging is required, we have gone, let us go with a bit of a fanfare, not a dull whimper.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 15, 2016, 12:15:30 PM
Quote from: OzVilla on February 15, 2016, 11:20:15 AM
Personally, I wouldn't let the kids anywhere near this car crash. Let the overpaid prima donnas make fools of themselves for the rest of the season to the derision of all around.

If they put in a good performance where they show some fight and pride then great. If they don't they can get slaughtered.
It's a sure way to ruin our promising kids bringing them into a hopeless useless team.  Leave it till next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 15, 2016, 12:16:25 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on February 15, 2016, 09:52:37 AM
None of our lads made Garth Crook's Team of the Week. I've checked. You're welcome.  :)
Thanks for that. Typical BBC bias.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on February 15, 2016, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: Steve R on February 15, 2016, 11:46:29 AM
Quote from: Newby on February 15, 2016, 10:54:47 AM
Ta Dave.

Garde must take some responsibility too. Not to blame in terms of the players he has, but he does need to motivate and organize the team.

From what I have seen so far, Garde has motivated and organised the team. They look a whole lot fitter too. Maybe yesterday was more about reverting to type than anything. The team really is that crap, it's the two wins and two draws in five that preceded it that were an illusion and had us all fooled.

Maybe Garde should get the credit for the previous run of games rather than the brickbats for what happened on Sunday. To get that bad takes years of earnest incompetence wandering in the wrong direction, something which we have been doing in spades. It isn't going to change overnight and it isn't going to change without a few serious kicks in the teeth.

I think he has got quite a lot of credit really. I'm not slating the guy, there have been some modest improvements over recent weeks, but also I think he's got quite an easy ride because frankly I think the support hasn't got it in them to be angry at another manager, and everyone knows that the real issue is at boardroom level. He carries himself in a dignified way, not like Sherwood who was all about self preservation, Remi has real class. But in the same way so did McLeish and Lambert. I just think things are so bleak at the moment that we as supporters are looking for any positives we can and talking them up, so Remi being polite and us not being as abject for a few games, beating a fellow relegation candidate or keeping a clean sheet and we grasp it as signs of a recovery.

Remi has been hung out to dry in the transfer window, but it's essentially an extension of the same process that Lambert had to deal with when replacing quality players with mis-shapes and broken-biscuits from Crewe, Gronigen and Poznan.

Garde took over with two thirds of the season remaining and 5 points from safety, and a squad full of shit players some of whom have had 5 years of shit results to undermine their confidence. Take someone like Bacuna who has been less than average for all his career, but is getting worse and worse, there's almost no chance that he could score one of those free kicks these days, all confidence has been drained from them. Players like Richards and Lescott who've won things when surrounded by winners, aren't the sort of people to make others winners.

I think with that scenario, that squad and the lack of recruitment it was an incredibly tough job for Garde to keep us up and it's another huge reason he's been cut some slack, but isn't instilling some confidence a big part of what a manager does? I am really reluctant to give Sherwood any credit but that is essentially what he did when he came in at the end of last season. I know we had Benteke and Delph but there hasn't been much evidence of Garde instilling confidence into the team really, or us doing basic things particularly well, or consistently, or us creating lots of chances, or any players particularly looking like they've improved under him.

Like Bacuna et al I think he's damaged goods now whether it's his fault or not. We are going to be stuck with most of these players  in the Championship, particularly the ones we want to be rid of most. I'm not sure Garde is going to be able to change their mentality sufficiently to get us up and I'm sadly pretty sure he's not going to get the funds for what we really require which is a completely new squad of players, preferably made up of people who have the muscle memory of what its like to win football matches.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on February 15, 2016, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: django on February 15, 2016, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: Steve R on February 15, 2016, 11:46:29 AM
Quote from: Newby on February 15, 2016, 10:54:47 AM
Ta Dave.

Garde must take some responsibility too. Not to blame in terms of the players he has, but he does need to motivate and organize the team.

From what I have seen so far, Garde has motivated and organised the team. They look a whole lot fitter too. Maybe yesterday was more about reverting to type than anything. The team really is that crap, it's the two wins and two draws in five that preceded it that were an illusion and had us all fooled.

Maybe Garde should get the credit for the previous run of games rather than the brickbats for what happened on Sunday. To get that bad takes years of earnest incompetence wandering in the wrong direction, something which we have been doing in spades. It isn't going to change overnight and it isn't going to change without a few serious kicks in the teeth.

I think he has got quite a lot of credit really. I'm not slating the guy, there have been some modest improvements over recent weeks, but also I think he's got quite an easy ride because frankly I think the support hasn't got it in them to be angry at another manager, and everyone knows that the real issue is at boardroom level. He carries himself in a dignified way, not like Sherwood who was all about self preservation, Remi has real class. But in the same way so did McLeish and Lambert. I just think things are so bleak at the moment that we as supporters are looking for any positives we can and talking them up, so Remi being polite and us not being as abject for a few games, beating a fellow relegation candidate or keeping a clean sheet and we grasp it as signs of a recovery.

Remi has been hung out to dry in the transfer window, but it's essentially an extension of the same process that Lambert had to deal with when replacing quality players with mis-shapes and broken-biscuits from Crewe, Gronigen and Poznan.

Garde took over with two thirds of the season remaining and 5 points from safety, and a squad full of shit players some of whom have had 5 years of shit results to undermine their confidence. Take someone like Bacuna who has been less than average for all his career, but is getting worse and worse, there's almost no chance that he could score one of those free kicks these days, all confidence has been drained from them. Players like Richards and Lescott who've won things when surrounded by winners, aren't the sort of people to make others winners.

I think with that scenario, that squad and the lack of recruitment it was an incredibly tough job for Garde to keep us up and it's another huge reason he's been cut some slack, but isn't instilling some confidence a big part of what a manager does? I am really reluctant to give Sherwood any credit but that is essentially what he did when he came in at the end of last season. I know we had Benteke and Delph but there hasn't been much evidence of Garde instilling confidence into the team really, or us doing basic things particularly well, or consistently, or us creating lots of chances, or any players particularly looking like they've improved under him.

Like Bacuna et al I think he's damaged goods now whether it's his fault or not. We are going to be stuck with most of these players  in the Championship, particularly the ones we want to be rid of most. I'm not sure Garde is going to be able to change their mentality sufficiently to get us up and I'm sadly pretty sure he's not going to get the funds for what we really require which is a completely new squad of players, preferably made up of people who have the muscle memory of what its like to win football matches.

Sherwood has a prem experianced MF in Cleverly / Delph for the most part Vlaar and most importantly goals in Benteke.The lack of goals is a major issue , yesterday was rubbish no doubt worse than rubbish in fact but overall we have not been tonked and had we had someone to score some of the draws would of been wins and moral would improve.

As you touch upon with Bacuna the players are shot of confidence. Players like Bacuna and Westwood for example have spent their entire time here fighting relegation 3/4 years of it will take it out of them.Bacuna looks poor but Collymores social media comments on him going on holiday etc have made him a boo boy target meanwhile Collymore is defending Lescott for his tweet yesterday and Richards for his overall performance ..

Lets also rememeber that Sunderland with experienced Alladyce are only a few points ahead of us and 3 of them came on Saturday boosted with 13mil worth of signings.

We needed new players not just for the effect on the pitch technically and physically but for the moral boost it would give the rest.Yesterdays game was a mirror image of the boards transfer dealings not enough effort and just giving up in the end.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on February 15, 2016, 01:51:24 PM
I wasn't trying to compare Sherwoods job with Garde's really, I think Garde's task when he took the job was harder than Sherwood's which was harder than Lambert's which was harder than Macleish's and so on all the way back to O'Neil. Just because Garde's job was so hard doesn't mean he's done well though.

I think Garde's been fucked over by the people above him and the players beneath him, but it doesn't really matter now. What we need next season is someone to come in and make the players believe that they'e been mismanaged, that they were actually brilliant players all along, lions led by donkeys etc and instill the belief in them that they can get out of the championship at the right end. It will be bullshit because they are responsible and the championship is probably the right level for most of them and too high a level for some of the others, but someone needs to make them believe the bullshit.

I've no idea who that manager is, or even if he exists, but he's the guy we need, and I don't see how it can be Remi now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on February 15, 2016, 08:58:56 PM
The last 2 transfer windows have been a disaster for us. If Remi is still with us at the end of the season i reckon he will want a mass clearout of players and quite a few new arrivals of his own choosing. I just hope the club lets him do it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 15, 2016, 09:18:30 PM
It's what we need.  The whole lot need to be got shut of and someone trusted to build a new side completely
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on February 15, 2016, 09:45:18 PM
FFS he has one striker at his disposal, who is SHIT and FAT and scored one in 4 when he was fit as a bloody racing snake. And he went off.
 
The squad is talentless, thick, gutless, work shy and they all hate each other.

Guardiola couldn't do much in this Lord of the flies esque batshit crazy basket case set up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 15, 2016, 10:28:19 PM
After yesterday I do wonder what squad and team he will select for the balance of the season. He has to be at his wits end and some players might just disappear. Whether he has plans on staying or leaving he has really nothing to lose by cutting ties with players that have completely let him down. Nobody saw yesterday coming and yet even after a few good weeks we folded like a cheap tent. It will be interesting to see his next move.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 15, 2016, 10:46:39 PM
Surely to God he won't keep selecting Bacuna.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 15, 2016, 11:54:26 PM
I think there was a strong hint yesterday in his interview that there are a number of players that do not want to play for the club.  It does not matter how good a motivator you are, if a player does not want to play, anything the manager says falls on deaf ears.

For many seasons now we have bought similar types of player, particularly in the midfield.  When was the last strong, big, ball winning midfield player we had - Boateng? (and even he was not that dominant)

Football these days is all about pace and power, the exact opposite where we have been for too many years.

With the right manager and coaches, you can build a competitive squad on very little if you start at the bottom and look to develop some of your own players.  I would rather see us spending money to cut our losses and get rid of some of our players.

As I see it, Lerner will be very reluctant to spend money paying off players, even though it is the right thing to do.  There is a stench of lack of desire running through the squad and that cancer has to be cut out.

The club is big enough to rebuild and be competitive again, provided a long term view is taken and we accept starting from the bottom.  I am fed up with people saying this player or that player will be ok in the Championship.  I am sorry, but if they are not good enough for the PL now, they should be sold/given away to make way for players who will be good enough in the future.  The only exceptions to this would be the young players who have yet to be given a fair chance and bringing in a few hardened pros that can take us part of the journey back to where Villa should be
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on February 16, 2016, 12:06:55 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 15, 2016, 11:54:26 PM

As I see it, Lerner will be very reluctant to spend money paying off players, even though it is the right thing to do.

The club is big enough to rebuild and be competitive again, provided a long term view is taken and we accept starting from the bottom. I am sorry, but if they are not good enough for the PL now, they should be sold/given away to make way for players who will be good enough in the future.

I agree that is what we should do. But I also can't see Lerner paying up peoples contracts and paying for the 20 or so new players we would then need to sign. That's why I think Remi will be gone one way or another, because either he or the board will look at it and realise that he'd be in charge of largely the same squad of players who have shown they don't respond to him.

The few players who have done well for him will be the only ones who there would be any interest in.

I also agree with your assessment about pace and power, its importance and our lack of it. We are so slow, physically and in terms of the teams style of play, ponderous and indecisive, we always give the opposition a chance to get back in their shape.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 16, 2016, 12:17:38 AM
Quote from: django on February 16, 2016, 12:06:55 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 15, 2016, 11:54:26 PM

As I see it, Lerner will be very reluctant to spend money paying off players, even though it is the right thing to do.

The club is big enough to rebuild and be competitive again, provided a long term view is taken and we accept starting from the bottom. I am sorry, but if they are not good enough for the PL now, they should be sold/given away to make way for players who will be good enough in the future.

I agree that is what we should do. But I also can't see Lerner paying up peoples contracts and paying for the 20 or so new players we would then need to sign. That's why I think Remi will be gone one way or another, because either he or the board will look at it and realise that he'd be in charge of largely the same squad of players who have shown they don't respond to him.

The few players who have done well for him will be the only ones who there would be any interest in.

I also agree with your assessment about pace and power, its importance and our lack of it. We are so slow, physically and in terms of the teams style of play, ponderous and indecisive, we always give the opposition a chance to get back in their shape.

Unless there is a clear out, we will keep on sinking lower and lower.  The better players will want to leave if they can see nothing being done.  The only hope is that a few of them will say they want to be part of a rebuilt side without the over paid/non-performing rubbish.

We have to cut away the dead wood or we will never see any green shoots of recovery.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 16, 2016, 12:27:13 AM
How fucked we are was demonstrated perfectly yesterday when the guy who saved us 3 years in a row was on their bench, having cost 32 million, while we had a guy who is nowhere near premier league level any more as our only forward fit.

The idea of not selecting Bacuna is great, but throwing in Lyden right now into this shit storm is not going to do him any good really.

Truth of the matter is a lot of them are mid table championship players, and the ones not are either past it, or not got the attitude to hold it together.

Garde is fighting to hold that together, without any forwards, Amavi, Traore, Sanchez for the last 6 weeks. He must be tearing his hair out.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on February 16, 2016, 12:30:30 AM
That's why I can't see us coming straight back up sadly. I think there will be a lot of deadwood knocking around next season and maybe even after that.

I reckon we'd need to make 3 or 4 good quality signings on top of what we have to get automatic promotion from the championship, if we lose 2 or 3 of our better players we'd need to be signing 6 or 7 decent players of a Jordan Rhodes, Will Hughes type level (I'd like us to try and sign Daniel Johnson back too). I can't see us doing that let alone us getting rid of other players who we'd then have to replace.

Hopefully Gardner and Callum Robinson can offer something at that level but still a lot to do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 16, 2016, 01:44:53 AM
Getting to the start of next season in the Championship or PL will change how we all feel. Because it is impossible not feel as though absolutely everything is shit right now. Many of these players care but given the depth of problems right now I don't think they know how to deal with it. No player likes getting battered or simply losing week after week. It must be shit for them too even if they have flash cars and homes.

When the next season starts there will be an immediate change of perspective because that's what a new season brings. It's essential we keep Garde and allow him to put this disaster behind him. Support him and slow him to bring in and get rid of players and coaches. Only then will we see things start to improve. I look at a side like Hull, sat top of the Championship with a lot of the same players that were relegated. They would have felt much the same as us last season but now with some wins and positive energy they are a very different group of players. There's no reason why some of the players at the club now, some who have been written off couldn't with some positivity and belief make the same transition. I want this season done with as fast as possible because it isn't helping with anything. Least of all belief. I don't buy we will sink into oblivion. I do think we need an end to the last few years and we do need to regroup and start again. Maybe the Championship will be the opportunity to start again that the entire club needs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 16, 2016, 06:37:10 AM
It is a wide held belief that most of the new signings last year had relegation clauses put into their contracts, but remember these clauses work both ways, the players will have a release fee within their contracts and if the Snake is anything to go by, what that will be god only knows.

I think the likes of Richards because he thinks he is too good for the Championship, Ayew, Okore last year of contract so have to sell up, Ghana is possibly a good prem midfielder in the right team, that's from what came in the start of this season, that I believe will move on.

Gill was attracting interest from Spain and I honestly think he will be to lightweight for the Championship, Kozak may call it a day and move on, also how long has he got left on his contract. Obviously Nzog will be gone.

Then we come to the ones we would probably like to shift, Guzan be surprised if he does not go back to the States, Hutton wont be going no where, even on reduced wage he would still not get it elsewhere, Gabby here for the duration of his last payday and knows he would not get the wedge anywhere else. Gestede  no takers, or takers who again will not match his reduced wage, Westwood he's here to stay.

Ones I am not sure off, Sanchez again maybe off, Adama because of his injury more chance of keeping but you never know, Veretout 50 /50, , Clarke, Baker and Bennett, can see someone like the bitters looking at Clarke, but whatever way there will be a massive turnover.

With reduced forecasts on season tickets, match day attendanxces, especially reduced away support turn up, T.V money reduction and a overall vision of Hollis, cut , cut and cut some more, I honestly wonder who would want the task of putting Humpty Dumpty Randy Lerner F.C back together and out of the ones who would want to have a crack which one they will pick, because Garde will be gone, nice man or not he is not stupid and this board have done him over once already. Bright future maybe not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 16, 2016, 06:51:22 AM
Sorry I forgot about Bacuna, easily done when I was thinking of footballers, I think he will move on for his own sake, his career at Villa is over and I think he knows it, whatever level we would be playing at, go for a cheap fee to Holland or Belgium.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on February 16, 2016, 07:03:24 AM
Quote from: papa lazarou on February 15, 2016, 10:39:31 AM
Accepting that Garde inherited a load of dross, one constant is that with four managers I have regularly watched professional footballers that are incapable of making space, making themselves available for a pass, helping a team mate in trouble. We constantly see a player getting crowded and losing possession because there's nobody available. They stroll around watching as if it's not their job. Even if they are piss poor, this is a basic tactic and it is still happening.
Absolutely this! It pisses me off more than anything else and has been consistent to us for almost a decade.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: liam on February 16, 2016, 07:23:43 AM
I get frustrated that the last 2 management appointments (Sherwood and Garde) we never brought their coaches with them. With the lack of planning and the boards desperation to appoint, we never thought about assistant manager or coaching team. Sherwood worked with Ramsey who was at QPR and Gardes team wouldn't be released by Lyon. It says everything about our half arsed planning we never took this into account.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 16, 2016, 07:51:30 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 15, 2016, 10:28:19 PM
After yesterday I do wonder what squad and team he will select for the balance of the season. He has to be at his wits end and some players might just disappear. Whether he has plans on staying or leaving he has really nothing to lose by cutting ties with players that have completely let him down. Nobody saw yesterday coming and yet even after a few good weeks we folded like a cheap tent. It will be interesting to see his next move.
It seems to me that something has seriously "poisoned the well" recently. Yes, we have been broken for a long time, but the utter capitulation from about the 4th minute suggests that something else has happened.
Garde is either parrt of the problem or the solution - we just don't know which yet.
The rest of this season is effectively going to pass us by, I suggest, and the questions in my head now are: who will own the club and who will be in charge of setting a coherent strategy, from June onwards? If it's the same crew, then the pain continues.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on February 16, 2016, 08:16:38 AM
Quote from: Olof's Beard on February 15, 2016, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: brian green on February 15, 2016, 09:44:39 AM
Bacuna was a bag of nerves made worse by the booing.  Richards was my Mandy of the Match because most of the others do seem to care a bit (very little bit in Lescott's case) but Richards clearly does not give a shit.

Richards made one of the most half arsed attempts to beat and then close down the opponent I have ever seen. It was in the second half, up by their byline. The guy barely broke into a sprint all game. You know someone is taking the piss when they offer absolutely nothing going forward but yet are constantly caught out of position at the back.

Remi keeps taking him off, I think he has his number but has had to play a bit nice because we've needed him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him dropped now though.

I agree. I suspect that next game Sinclair, Lyden and Hutton may start ahead of the three they replaced on Sunday.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 16, 2016, 08:47:59 AM
Agree Mister E.  That total return to being an insubordinate rabble last Sunday was caused by something.  The surrender was so total that it must have been triggered by an event or events.

Lescott's post match fan baiting was worse than any fan provocation I have ever seen at the club including Hodge and Callaghan. However, in its vileness it shone a bright light into the cesspit that is the dressing room in eight words - I am going home to count my money.  The quality of the players, their fitness, the quality of their coaching, team selections, substitutions, transfer policy - all mean absolutely nothing if the players do not want to play.

OMVF a couple of posts back mentioned George Boateng and he was a really good, hard player with a fantastic engine but when Boro and Southgate started calling he turned his back on us in a shot and made his infamous comment about being a 'Villa legend'.  Disloyalty has become the norm in football but we have got it in epidemic proportions at our club.

A hard core of the current squad are in pay back mode.  Take a hard look at the way Richards played on Sunday.  Every drift out of position, every shrug of his shoulders, every stroll back to where he should have been was like KMac's team selection at Tottenham.  It screamed out Fuck This and Fuck The Villa.  Lescott went on record via his magic trouserphone to confirm the same message.  Gabby clearly did not fancy it and ran away.

I know I should not say this and I truly apologise if it offends cooler headed posters but there has been a number of occasions this season when I could not help thinking that several of our players were throwing the game.

It would not have surprised me in the least if a football betting scandal like the Grobbelar case was exposed in the media and Villa player's were implicated.  I know absolutely that there is not one shred or vestige of evidence for such a fiction, BUT, my mind keeps coming back to trying to rationalise the endless stream of self destruction by our team this season.

Back to what turned them back into spineless jellyfish.  Was it Gabby scoring a goal and being brought back in out of the cold?  Or was it the cancellation of their break in the sun?   We can only, as always, sift through the wreckage for clues.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 16, 2016, 08:58:01 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on February 16, 2016, 06:51:22 AM
Sorry I forgot about Bacuna, easily done when I was thinking of footballers, I think he will move on for his own sake, his career at Villa is over and I think he knows it, whatever level we would be playing at, go for a cheap fee to Holland or Belgium.

But why would he?  He's got 3 or 4 years left (not sure how long was unbelievably given to him) on far more money than he'll get on the continent.  We've seen what he's like, so where would his motivation be to agree to moving on.  The only way we are going to get rid of these cancers is to cut them out by paying them off I'm afraid and I can't see the board having the appetite to so that, more, throwing the dice on yet another fall guy to "try" and get the best out of them.

i said it walking out of Wenbley after the cup final and I mean it even more now, I would be happy to never see ANY of them in a Villa shirt again.  I really would like Remi to get the chance to properly rebuild this shitcake, but I just cannot see how the board supporting him to do that.

It's bloody depressing!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 16, 2016, 09:02:55 AM
Why should they care if a "Dubai" trip was cancelled? After all that is what life is all about for a modern footballer. A chance to meet their other equally failing mates, a few selfies loads of gratuitous  bantz and free vend "booze and birds". They really couldn't give a fuck about us....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 16, 2016, 09:07:40 AM
Quote from: papa lazarou on February 15, 2016, 10:39:31 AM
Accepting that Garde inherited a load of dross, one constant is that with four managers I have regularly watched professional footballers that are incapable of making space, making themselves available for a pass, helping a team mate in trouble. We constantly see a player getting crowded and losing possession because there's nobody available. They stroll around watching as if it's not their job. Even if they are piss poor, this is a basic tactic and it is still happening.
I absolutely agree with this, the lack of movement is shocking.
I appreciate a lot of this comes from confidence, but we 'should' have been fairly confident going into Sunday's game, right?
Add to this the total lack of forward movement and support by our midfielders.
I am sick to death of seeing the ball go forward and watching our forwards struggle to hold onto it whilst the midfielders amble forward, if at all.
When was the last time we saw Gana, Westwood or Veretoute make a breaking run into the box to get in front of our forward line?
I watched Gana and Westwood stroll through that game on Sunday with absolutely no intent on supporting the forwards.
And surely, some of this is instruction, guidance or tactics from the manager.

Oh for an Ian Taylor right now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 16, 2016, 09:07:56 AM
Quote from: brian green on February 16, 2016, 08:47:59 AM

It would not have surprised me in the least if a football betting scandal like the Grobbelar case was exposed in the media and Villa player's were implicated.  I know absolutely that there is not one shred or vestige of evidence for such a fiction, BUT, my mind keeps coming back to trying to rationalise the endless stream of self destruction by our team this season.
What? - like, can Villa be relegated with the worst points tally ever (well, for the EPL, at least)? or the worst win ratio?
Sounds pretty reasonable to me, prima facie.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on February 16, 2016, 09:10:44 AM
It just shows the level of incompetence at the club they just don't learn from their mistakes, after seeing what Nzogbia has done to the club they then offer five year contracts to Gabby and Bacuna two very limited footballers. I make that offer to Messi  but those two what were they thinking.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 16, 2016, 09:15:31 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 15, 2016, 10:28:19 PM
After yesterday I do wonder what squad and team he will select for the balance of the season. He has to be at his wits end and some players might just disappear. Whether he has plans on staying or leaving he has really nothing to lose by cutting ties with players that have completely let him down. Nobody saw yesterday coming and yet even after a few good weeks we folded like a cheap tent. It will be interesting to see his next move.

"He has to be at his wits end" is probably spot on. He must have gone home had a long think and failed to come up with a single answer. Although no doubt he is on good money he has a board and owner who have not shown the slightest inclination of backing him.He has a squad who do not have the skills to compete at the top level. There are members of that squad he would dearly love to see leave but that is not possible as it would cost the owner money. If I was in his position I would tender my resignation and have a break from football. This  job is not to big for him but the people who employed him are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sid1964 on February 16, 2016, 09:29:55 AM
The problem is that as soon as a Gabby or a Bacuna for example has an half decent game, fans start saying that they are now back on form, and are the answer to our problems etc...

Gabby for example, scores a goal against Norwich and suddenly the crowd think he is the equivalent of Barcelona's Messi!, and they start singing that stupid song about him.

Sunday was embarrassing, you can pick out any of Liverpools goals as an example of our "players" not doing there job to a half decent standard, but for me the 6th goal from the corner summed up Villa for the last 5 seasons - they could not care less

I suppose on the Villa website, the usual dross will be spouted by the players such as "we are in this together" "we will fight until the end" "we are giving everything to try and get us out of this mess" - what an absolute load of bollocks, sorry they could not careless each and every one of them is probably praying for the end of the season, so as they can go and go on there hols, and then try and get a move away!

For me we need to shift the lot of the 25 "man" squad I would keep only Veretout, Ayew, Ghana,Amavi, Grealish, Bunn (2nd choice Keeper) , and maybe Gill (although these are the players that will be gone in the Summer)

We need a massive rebuilding of our club this summer, Garde or whoever is in charge, needs to show no mercy, and get rid of players ASAP.

I have heard sports phone ins where the fans are saying that it is the players that were brought in the Summer that are the problem, NO it is not, it is the ones that have been here for a few years that are the problem.

The lap of appreciation should be interesting at the end of the season (I hope that the stadium is totally empty, when they are walking around, mind you most of them have been walking around for most of the season.

At the top Fox and company need to be removed from there positions and someone with a bit of Football knowledge needs to brought in, if it is true that Fox is on a Million pounds a year, I should imagine that the queue for his job will be quite long

Rant over!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on February 16, 2016, 11:25:36 AM
Short term. I'd really like Remi to play the kids, Under 21's, whatever.

Drop all the ones with the attitudes who think they don't even have to try and try those youngsters - for the rest of the season.

We're down anyway - the crowd would be fully behind them no matter what, because hopefully, they'd at least show some fight for the cause.

I just hope they haven't been around the likes of Gabby, Richards, Lescott etc long enough to think they can be like that too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 16, 2016, 01:57:15 PM
1 Bournemouth 3060.6
2 Tottenham 3003.8
3 West Brom 2917.5
4 Liverpool 2910.2
5 Man Utd 2903
6 West Ham 2881.9
7 Leicester City 2874.3
8 Arsenal 2871.5
9 Southampton 2863.6
10 Crystal Palace 2860.6
11 Watford 2859.7
12 Sunderland 2858.8
13 Newcastle 2854.5
14 Everton 2837.9
15 Norwich City 2812.9
16 Swansea City 2812.8
17 Chelsea 2802.7
18 Man City 2795.5
19 Stoke City 2789.2
20 Aston Villa 2750.8


Still rock bottom of distance covered by players this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 16, 2016, 02:04:12 PM
Interesting data - do they show it on a match by match basis, to see whether there has been an improvement in the last 6-weeks.

I'm surprised WBA are so high up the list.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 16, 2016, 02:06:13 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 16, 2016, 02:04:12 PM
Interesting data - do they show it on a match by match basis, to see whether there has been an improvement in the last 6-weeks.

I'm surprised WBA are so high up the list.


If you signed up to opta you could probably get match by match stats, this is just taken from sky sports. We have conceded the most goals in the last 10 minutes and scored the least too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on February 16, 2016, 02:09:02 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 16, 2016, 01:57:15 PM
1 Bournemouth 3060.6
2 Tottenham 3003.8
3 West Brom 2917.5
4 Liverpool 2910.2
5 Man Utd 2903
6 West Ham 2881.9
7 Leicester City 2874.3
8 Arsenal 2871.5
9 Southampton 2863.6
10 Crystal Palace 2860.6
11 Watford 2859.7
12 Sunderland 2858.8
13 Newcastle 2854.5
14 Everton 2837.9
15 Norwich City 2812.9
16 Swansea City 2812.8
17 Chelsea 2802.7
18 Man City 2795.5
19 Stoke City 2789.2
20 Aston Villa 2750.8


Still rock bottom of distance covered by players this season.

At almost every level of the club, we just can't be arsed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Boz on February 16, 2016, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 16, 2016, 09:07:40 AM
Quote from: papa lazarou on February 15, 2016, 10:39:31 AM
Accepting that Garde inherited a load of dross, one constant is that with four managers I have regularly watched professional footballers that are incapable of making space, making themselves available for a pass, helping a team mate in trouble. We constantly see a player getting crowded and losing possession because there's nobody available. They stroll around watching as if it's not their job. Even if they are piss poor, this is a basic tactic and it is still happening.
I absolutely agree with this, the lack of movement is shocking.
I appreciate a lot of this comes from confidence, but we 'should' have been fairly confident going into Sunday's game, right?
Add to this the total lack of forward movement and support by our midfielders.
I am sick to death of seeing the ball go forward and watching our forwards struggle to hold onto it whilst the midfielders amble forward, if at all.
When was the last time we saw Gana, Westwood or Veretoute make a breaking run into the box to get in front of our forward line?
I watched Gana and Westwood stroll through that game on Sunday with absolutely no intent on supporting the forwards.
And surely, some of this is instruction, guidance or tactics from the manager.

Oh for an Ian Taylor right now.

Or deliberately not playing to the manager's instructions. It looks more like the players are trying to force the manager out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 16, 2016, 02:13:08 PM
so now the dust has settled and we have all reflected on the shambolic display on sunday

for the first time ever on this site, I'm going to say

 it actually was a 'new Low' for the club certainly in the recent past
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on February 16, 2016, 04:41:38 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 16, 2016, 01:57:15 PM
1 Bournemouth 3060.6
2 Tottenham 3003.8
3 West Brom 2917.5
4 Liverpool 2910.2
5 Man Utd 2903
6 West Ham 2881.9
7 Leicester City 2874.3
8 Arsenal 2871.5
9 Southampton 2863.6
10 Crystal Palace 2860.6
11 Watford 2859.7
12 Sunderland 2858.8
13 Newcastle 2854.5
14 Everton 2837.9
15 Norwich City 2812.9
16 Swansea City 2812.8
17 Chelsea 2802.7
18 Man City 2795.5
19 Stoke City 2789.2
20 Aston Villa 2750.8


Still rock bottom of distance covered by players this season.

Shocking considering we won't have had as much of the ball as most of the other teams in the bottom half of that list. Our lack of closing down in the opening stages on sunday as highlighted on match of the day was even worse than i'd realised at the time. Even before the first goal had gone in it was like we couldn't be arsed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2016, 04:50:35 PM
Actually I think our possession stats are quite good, we usually have more than the opposition not that it means much in our case. But it would be interesting to compare the table for distance covered with average possession per game to see if there's any truth with the old adage ''letting the ball do the work'' and not having to run as much.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AV89 on February 16, 2016, 05:32:03 PM
I notice Merson has pointed the finger for Remi for saying the performance was rubbish against Norwich.

Granted we weren't fantastic, but all he said was it wasn't our best display.  Surely that's no excuse for players to sulk? It's hardly throwing them under a bus like Sherwood did.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 16, 2016, 05:49:32 PM
but actually, they need throwing under a bus - all ofthem
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 16, 2016, 05:54:44 PM
Quote from: AV89 on February 16, 2016, 05:32:03 PM
I notice Merson has pointed the finger for Remi for saying the performance was rubbish against Norwich.

Granted we weren't fantastic, but all he said was it wasn't our best display.  Surely that's no excuse for players to sulk? It's hardly throwing them under a bus like Sherwood did.

I said the yesterday in reply to Brian that I reckon that's what had put their noses out.

And we're expecting the manager to get a tune out of them?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 16, 2016, 06:18:01 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on February 16, 2016, 02:09:02 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 16, 2016, 01:57:15 PM
1 Bournemouth 3060.6
2 Tottenham 3003.8
3 West Brom 2917.5
4 Liverpool 2910.2
5 Man Utd 2903
6 West Ham 2881.9
7 Leicester City 2874.3
8 Arsenal 2871.5
9 Southampton 2863.6
10 Crystal Palace 2860.6
11 Watford 2859.7
12 Sunderland 2858.8
13 Newcastle 2854.5
14 Everton 2837.9
15 Norwich City 2812.9
16 Swansea City 2812.8
17 Chelsea 2802.7
18 Man City 2795.5
19 Stoke City 2789.2
20 Aston Villa 2750.8


Still rock bottom of distance covered by players this season.

At almost every level of the club, we just can't be arsed.

When I said that the players should have been made to run up and down Worcester Beacon in the pre season I was roundly derided. Who is laughing now?

How the hell Garde picks players like Gill and Westwood in a North Easterly gusting at 29 miles per hour is beyond comprehension. Lightweight doesn't begin to describe them. He probably thought Gabby with his immense girth could do a bit of sumo wrestling but he didn't fancy it. Can't blame him, I got dizzy watching from P6.

On that subject, how did 3 Scandinavian Scousers get tickets in the row in front of me on the half way line? When they scored the first goal the bearded hipster dufus with the little pony tail leaped in the air and did a little jig of delight.  There was a rumble of disapproval and generl pointing in the area and I felt I compelled to tap him on shoulder and advise him that this behaviour was unwise and there would be ructions if he and his merry men continued in this vein for the ensuing goals. 

In fairness, they kept firmly seated and quiet for the next five goals but it harshed my mellow as I  had hardly slept for 2 weeks and I was dozing off in a pleasant patch of sun from  low over the Trinity and I had to stay till the end which resulted in a long wait on Aston station in the freezing wind.

I was so bored hanging around being marched up and down by people in orange jackets with walkie talkies  changing the length of the train every few moments that I walked to the back of the platform.  When I got there there were 2 Alsation guard dogs tethered in a large yard which appeared to be a resting home for RV's. They went berserk and when I talked to them in my dog voice they were momentarily confused before resuming their racket. This resulted in them being freed and they went bouncing round the yard like Phosphorus thrown down a bog hole. 

A strange day.
 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 16, 2016, 07:09:52 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on February 16, 2016, 05:49:32 PM
but actually, they need throwing under a bus - all ofthem

the bus went under guzan
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 16, 2016, 07:15:24 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 16, 2016, 07:09:52 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on February 16, 2016, 05:49:32 PM
but actually, they need throwing under a bus - all ofthem

the bus went under guzan

Cold, man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 16, 2016, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: eamonn on February 16, 2016, 04:50:35 PM
Actually I think our possession stats are quite good, we usually have more than the opposition not that it means much in our case. But it would be interesting to compare the table for distance covered with average possession per game to see if there's any truth with the old adage ''letting the ball do the work'' and not having to run as much.

Average possession - Distance covered Rank

Man Utd 56 - 5th
Arsenal 55.8 - 8th
Liverpool 55.2 - 4th
Man City 55.1 - 18th
Tottenham 55 - 2nd
Chelsea 54.5 - 17th
Swansea 52.5 - 16th
Everton 52.1 - 14th
Bournemouth 52 - 1st
Stoke 49.7 - 19th
Southampton 49.6 - 9th
Aston Villa 49.5 - 20th
West Ham 48.6 - 6th
Newcastle 47.1 - 13th
Crystal P 46.8 - 10th
Norwich 46.7 - 15th
Watford 45.9 - 11th
Leicester 43.3 - 7th
Sunderland 42.7 - 12th
West Barcelona Albion 42 - 3rd


Thing that obviously stands out is if you don't have the players to unlock defences then all the teams that are doing surprisingly well ie Palace, Leicester, West Ham and Watford let the other team have the ball and play counter attack.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 16, 2016, 07:59:26 PM
Even if our possession stats were 20 points better it wouldn't make an ounce of difference because we do so little with it.

We are the team of meaningless possession
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 16, 2016, 08:10:45 PM
Stats explain that  other teams let us keep the ball and we do not have enough movement and running to do anything constructive  and the opposition know that  inevitably we will make a fatal mistake. Yes seen enough of that this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on February 16, 2016, 10:52:40 PM
I was one of those that was a cheerleader for getting Garde in. Sherwood had been exposed as a clown and a divisive one. I was firmly of the belief that an experienced progressive coach could get the best out of what I thought was a reasonable group of younger players with promise (Okore, Clark, Amavi, Gueye, Veretout, Traore, Gil, Ayew and Grealish) and also solid enough experienced pros (Guzan, Richards, Sanchez, Gestede, Hutton).

To be honest I was already of the view by the time Garde came in that Sinclair, Gabby and Lescott were finished and I dont think any of us expected a dying kick from the likes of Senderos, Nzogbia, Kozak or any of the rest of the stiffs. Still a few signings in Jan to supplement a revitalised dressing room was a reasonable objective for Garde to keep us in the league.

Now obviously I have been proved wrong, plus the board has pulled the rug under him but I dont think Garde is getting the best out of the players he has, limited as all as they now appear. Okore/Clark was a solid partnership for us previously, Grealish flickered brilliantly this time last season, he has seen improvements in some of last summer's additions and injuries have impacted some of the others. The experienced pros appear to have downed tools, no other word for it really. Fair enough Garde is only thinking and talking the same we largely are but we arent employing him to be a pundit. He is employed to manage the resources at his disposal.

For a new manager, its bizarre the not trying a leg mob that has showed up on at least three occasions under him already, Everton, City and Liverpool. Even our two wins under Garde were largely down to goalkeeping errors. There was also shambolic performances that we got away with like the first half at Southampton, even last 20 mins against Norwich.

I fear Garde came into the dressing room with the same attitude Houllier did. But that dismissive attitude rarely works mid season. In truth, we were in an awful state in the Houllier season with a miles better group of players until McAllister brought some of the experienced players back into the side and with Bent on board we eventually cruised to safety.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: A Northern Soul on February 16, 2016, 11:21:43 PM
Can anyone remind me, have we played well for most of a single game yet under Garde? We have had a couple where we were 'a bit unlucky' (WHU & Leicester H), a couple where we have 'put a shift in' (Norwich & Man City H), but have we actually walked away from any game with a memory of good football? Not saying we haven't but it is lost on me amongst the dirge
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 16, 2016, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on February 16, 2016, 11:21:43 PM
Can anyone remind me, have we played well for most of a single game yet under Garde? We have had a couple where we were 'a bit unlucky' (WHU H), a couple where we have 'put a shift in (Norwich & Man City H), but have we actually walked away from any game with a memory of good football? Not saying we haven't but it is lost on me amongst the dirge

I take your point, but I think this has been happening for a long time before Garde's arrival. We can play quite well for certain periods of a game but are hardly ever able to sustain it.  The skill is there but the leadership and the spine are conspicuous by their absence.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on February 17, 2016, 12:17:11 AM
I think Gabbys attitude sums it up, put a shift in against Norwich but couldn't raise a smile when he scored showed no emotion at all, then against Pool he resorted to type until he went off. With his history at the club he should be leading the effort but I think he is just waiting for
Garde to go so he can play the way he thinks he should. One big sulk.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 17, 2016, 06:40:35 AM
There is a lot of truth in what you say Rob.  Gabby, Bacuna, Westwood and other non performers are sitting on long contracts while speculation grows that Garde will leave sooner rather than later.  The non triers can, to coin a phrase, go home and count their money and wait for another manager to rock up who they can take the piss out of.

I am very pro Garde, I remain convinced that he will have a glittering career in the top level of football but after Sunday I begin to suspect that there is no part of him that can handle the dumb insolence of Sunday's team. He is like a sheep dog handler trying to round up a flock of dead sheep.

I continue to wrestle with the question of how the reversion from small but steady improvement in the team imploded back into headless chicken mode in the run up to Valentine's Day.  Bunn fell apart, Richards fell apart, Lescott dismantled himself, Bacuna fell apart, Gueye fell apart, Westwood disintegrated, Okore went mad, Gabby deserted, Gil was like a leaf in a hurricane, Cissoko was shell shocked and the referee gave the slop a good stir with the usual you-cant-get-a-decision-because-you-are-shit performance we have got used to.

It was a day for a manager with a volcanic temper and a tongue like a butcher knife.  Not the sort of manager to patiently rebuild a squad given the time and the money but one to stop the club being humiliated there and then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rico on February 17, 2016, 06:48:54 AM
I really don't know what to make of Remi. We've had no new manager bounce, even Billy McNeil managed to win a few games if I remember correctly. We've had no realm improvement from Sherwood and yet I feel sorry for him. He comes across as dignified, but then again so did TSM, but against Liverpool he looked to me as though he'd thrown the towel in too. I know he's working with the worst set of players I can ever remember, I know the board have hung him out to dry in January, but bloody hell 0-6 at home was disgusting! Under most circumstances I would probably want the manager to either resign or get sacked after such a shocking performance and if he did I can honestly say I wouldn't be too bothered, but here's the dilemma he has clearly been stitched up like a kipper by the board. He might be a brilliant coach, he might not. One thing's for sure, we're not going to find out if all he has is this useless bunch of wasters.

On balance I think he'll be off in the summer. I've had a feeling for some time now that it's gonna take a former Villa man to get us back on track.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 17, 2016, 07:15:11 AM
Agree with everything except the last sentence Rico.  The long and winding road to find an ex Villa manager will inevitably lead to Southgate who is no more than a poor man's Remi Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rico on February 17, 2016, 07:31:18 AM
I know what you mean about Southgate. Probably be Dwight Yorke knowing our board. Maybe Martin Laursen?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 17, 2016, 07:38:22 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on February 16, 2016, 10:52:40 PM

I fear Garde came into the dressing room with the same attitude Houllier did ...

That may well be right. It speaks volumes of the small-mindedness and disrespect of the players that they do not roll with the new manager and new ideas, particularly when they look at the table and the games they've played.
How they can look themselves in the mirror ...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 17, 2016, 07:47:55 AM
There is the rub Mr E.  They look in the mirror too much and see not a greedy, feckless loser of a professional football player but a Mercedes driving, model cuddling, big house owning, money counting media pundit-in-waiting.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on February 17, 2016, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: brian green on February 17, 2016, 06:40:35 AM
There is a lot of truth in what you say Rob.  Gabby, Bacuna, Westwood and other non performers are sitting on long contracts while speculation grows that Garde will leave sooner rather than later.  The non triers can, to coin a phrase, go home and count their money and wait for another manager to rock up who they can take the piss out of.

I am very pro Garde, I remain convinced that he will have a glittering career in the top level of football but after Sunday I begin to suspect that there is no part of him that can handle the dumb insolence of Sunday's team. He is like a sheep dog handler trying to round up a flock of dead sheep.

I continue to wrestle with the question of how the reversion from small but steady improvement in the team imploded back into headless chicken mode in the run up to Valentine's Day.  Bunn fell apart, Richards fell apart, Lescott dismantled himself, Bacuna fell apart, Gueye fell apart, Westwood disintegrated, Okore went mad, Gabby deserted, Gil was like a leaf in a hurricane, Cissoko was shell shocked and the referee gave the slop a good stir with the usual you-cant-get-a-decision-because-you-are-shit performance we have got used to.

It was a day for a manager with a volcanic temper and a tongue like a butcher knife.  Not the sort of manager to patiently rebuild a squad given the time and the money but one to stop the club being humiliated there and then.

To be fair lining up with a flat midfield four of Bacuna, Gueye, Westwood, Veretout was never going to be enough to protect our back four. Doesnt excuse the complete lack of effort or pride but tactically we were at sea. Our bench was piss weak but Bacuna should have been off after 20 or 30 mins for one. Managers arent supposed to sit on their hands.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on February 17, 2016, 09:25:43 AM
January was the time for Garde to bring in two or three players of his choosing so that he could leave the recalcitrant to play with the under 21s but the club shackled him so what is he supposed to do, I will be interested to hear what he has to say once he has left us I can imagine he has never seen such a badly run organisation before. I'm with Brian he will be a very good manager with a club that supports him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on February 17, 2016, 09:39:49 AM
I think Wenger made the comment at the time of Gardes appointment that there were clearly technical issues at Villa with regard to the way it was run. Nevertheless there were countless coaches on the continent looking for an oportunity to manage in the Premiership so when an oportunity came up it had to be taken.

It was hardly a ringing endorsement
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
I like Garde, I just think he is the right manager at the wrong time.

He got stiffed big time in the transfer window and he inherited a lot of shit, but lets be honest it's 2 wins in what 14 games and the team still looks as half arsed, unmotivated and disjointed as it's ever been. For me he has had zero effect since coming in.

I'm going to have to go and shower for a week because i feel so dirty for saying it but when we are in the championship garde aint going to be the man to get us out, it needs a dirty horrible bastard like Pearson

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on February 17, 2016, 11:56:49 AM
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It was a day for a manager with a volcanic temper and a tongue like a butcher knife.  Not the sort of manager to patiently rebuild a squad given the time and the money but one to stop the club being humiliated there and then.

For the first (and only?) time in my life I found myself agreeing with Tom Toss in his column where he was berating Garde for doing nothing, either a positive word or a verbal hammering, during the break in play for injuries.

I feel dirty typing that too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 17, 2016, 12:05:53 PM
I think Garde is really struggling with an underlying disharmony within the playing squad. He's made efforts to address this but just doesn't have enough strength in depth to manage it in the short term. I think the length of his tenure will come down to his stomach for the fight and the assurances he gets from the board with regard to the major surgery required and the finances he'll have to facilitate it. I find it incredibly frustrating that we seem to be being brought down from within. I bet he does too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 17, 2016, 12:06:46 PM
Only a maniac or a Villa man would have the stomach for the fight ahead I fear.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 17, 2016, 12:18:54 PM
Our players on their PL salaries should be giving nothing less than 100% every single time they play. They should be busting a gut to be selected for the first XI. They will tell you to a man that they do this but the performances this season tell you otherwise. I know teams have to be relegated but our players appear to be so incalcitrant as to be unmanageable. While we concentrate on Lerner's hopeless and neglectful stewardship of this wonderful institution I will be saving a lot of my ire for our feckless, indifferent millionaire psuedo footballers. Garde is utterly exhonerated imo.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on February 17, 2016, 12:22:30 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
I like Garde, I just think he is the right manager at the wrong time.

He got stiffed big time in the transfer window and he inherited a lot of shit, but lets be honest it's 2 wins in what 14 games and the team still looks as half arsed, unmotivated and disjointed as it's ever been. For me he has had zero effect since coming in.

I'm going to have to go and shower for a week because i feel so dirty for saying it but when we are in the championship garde aint going to be the man to get us out, it needs a dirty horrible bastard like Pearson



Pearson is a fucking idiot.  His biggest achievement is surviving relegation.  Lambert's done that three times in his career in the Prem.  Do you want him back?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 17, 2016, 12:29:47 PM
The problem Garde has with the disharmony, is alternative options, Gabby was not getting a look in, now Garde what options has he, Richards was shifted to right back from centre half because of lack of options, he was not getting a game there because of Lescot and Okore, midfield the only one where he has an option and a traffic cone would be a better option is Bacuna.
I think when it is impossible points wise to get out of our predicament, some of these tossers are going to have an early holiday, but I still see him going in May, as the amount of money to correct this, is not going to be forthcoming from the toss pots we have controlling the purse, end off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 17, 2016, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
I like Garde, I just think he is the right manager at the wrong time.

He got stiffed big time in the transfer window and he inherited a lot of shit, but lets be honest it's 2 wins in what 14 games and the team still looks as half arsed, unmotivated and disjointed as it's ever been. For me he has had zero effect since coming in.

I'm going to have to go and shower for a week because i feel so dirty for saying it but when we are in the championship garde aint going to be the man to get us out, it needs a dirty horrible bastard like Pearson



So all the managers who have gotten teams promoted from the Championship have been dirty horrible bastards like Pearson? Because I would contend that there are several types of manager that have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, so Garde will do just fine. And Pearson will remain a dirty horrible bastard that we should avoid like the plague.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on February 17, 2016, 12:32:09 PM
Garde won't be the problem in the Championship. It will be everyone around him - owner, board, players - that'll be the problem.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on February 17, 2016, 12:32:54 PM
Every time I see a new post on this thread I say to myself "He's gone".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 17, 2016, 12:34:35 PM
Toronto the problem being that we will never see whether Garde could get us out because I will wager a large amount of dough he will not be here come May, either which I think he will, he will walk, or this spineless bunch of tossers we have running Randy Lerner F. C will sack him. He will be the sacrificial lamb come May.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on February 17, 2016, 12:39:19 PM
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He will be the sacrificial lamb come May.

Fox and Reilly will be too of that I have no doubt.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 17, 2016, 12:41:31 PM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on February 17, 2016, 12:39:19 PM
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He will be the sacrificial lamb come May.

Fox and Reilly will be too of that I have no doubt.

Let's hope so, they're shite.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 17, 2016, 01:03:12 PM
I think it's gradually been well recognised that the club has been entirely dependent on the manager to be the sum of all footballing knowledge in the club from the day Lerner walked through the door.

From MON through to Lambert, they all achieved mediocre or below results based on their experience and funding levels available.

MON- No more than par for the course at best for the experience he carried and the money available.
Houllier - Below par, but could have ended up better
McLeish - Below par and going down the shitter
Lambert - Below par.  He didn't need to spend his budget exclusively on low cost gambles.

Sherwood was the straw that broke the camels back,  the very definition of all any invective simile you choose to pick. All piss and wind, all fart and no shit, take your pick.  A man with no experience, no clue and a pocket full of  readies, albeit mostly gained by sales.  The resultant mix of signings was as individuals probably not too bad, but as a group to be formed into a squad that would run through walls for each other a disaster, exacerbated by him throwing the easiest victims, the French recruits under the bus the second it looked like he was getting found out.

Ironically he might have been OK working under the sort of DoF structure he rails against

Against that backdrop I think all but the very best would have struggled. The only hope was someone coming and telling Gabby, Richards, Lescott and company to put up or f*ck off and instantly carrying the dressing room's respect to enforce it.

I suspect that that's what Garde has done, just not quite as forcefully as some might have and with the disadvantage of not instantly carrying the dressing room's respect.  Pearson for example would have had no greater effect because the French lads would thought "what a ******", whereas Richards and co would probably have said "you're a ******."

I think this season Garde's the right guy at the wrong time, but I can't think of anyone realistic who would have been.  I hope next season he's not the wrong guy at the right time. If he's given the chance to build a squad where the majority of the starting 11 are "his", peer pressure will take care of the rest and he'll do well.  At the moment he's probably got no more than 3 or 4 definitely with him, (Gueye, Veretout, Cissokho, Ayew), a couple of neutrals (Okore and Bunn) and the rest that really couldn't give a f##k.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 17, 2016, 01:31:02 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 17, 2016, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
I like Garde, I just think he is the right manager at the wrong time.

He got stiffed big time in the transfer window and he inherited a lot of shit, but lets be honest it's 2 wins in what 14 games and the team still looks as half arsed, unmotivated and disjointed as it's ever been. For me he has had zero effect since coming in.

I'm going to have to go and shower for a week because i feel so dirty for saying it but when we are in the championship garde aint going to be the man to get us out, it needs a dirty horrible bastard like Pearson



So all the managers who have gotten teams promoted from the Championship have been dirty horrible bastards like Pearson? Because I would contend that there are several types of manager that have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, so Garde will do just fine. And Pearson will remain a dirty horrible bastard that we should avoid like the plague.

He might have managed that lot across the city, but Chris Hughton is a good manager at Championship level.  You only have to look at his previous record and how he has turned Brighton around over the last couple of seasons to see that he is a good manager at that level.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 17, 2016, 02:39:10 PM
hashe been there acouple of seasons? I thought they'd a merry go round of Watford-esque  proportions?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 17, 2016, 02:53:26 PM
I don't think theres a cat in hells chance of Garde being here next season

the only way I see it happening is if we improve a lot between now and the end of the season and the players look like they want to play for him the fans wil be on his side and he will be in a strong position to go to the board and say my way or no way,
I cant see that happening, so he will either walk away at the close or before, or the useless twats will sack him and bring in someone like Pearson

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 03:13:08 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 17, 2016, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
I like Garde, I just think he is the right manager at the wrong time.

He got stiffed big time in the transfer window and he inherited a lot of shit, but lets be honest it's 2 wins in what 14 games and the team still looks as half arsed, unmotivated and disjointed as it's ever been. For me he has had zero effect since coming in.

I'm going to have to go and shower for a week because i feel so dirty for saying it but when we are in the championship garde aint going to be the man to get us out, it needs a dirty horrible bastard like Pearson



So all the managers who have gotten teams promoted from the Championship have been dirty horrible bastards like Pearson? Because I would contend that there are several types of manager that have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, so Garde will do just fine. And Pearson will remain a dirty horrible bastard that we should avoid like the plague.

Not all the managers no, did I say all the managers?

Let's face facts, in the january transfer window the club did sod all so chances are they will do the same in the summer, minimal outlay and few free transfers.

Much as I want them gone the majority of the squad will still be here, so Garde is going to have to, for the most part work with what we have now and probably more shit.

Garde isn't motivating the team now and 2 wins in 14 suggests he has had no discernible impact on the team, so what is he going to do that will dramatically improve things in the championship?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on February 17, 2016, 03:40:58 PM
I can imagine that Garde will go, we will then take ages to appoint, we will be underwhelmed, we will not get players in pre season (new manager told to assess who he has first) then we will start badly and ........ bugger it, you can imagine the rest.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: in exile on February 17, 2016, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on February 17, 2016, 03:40:58 PM
...we will not get players in pre season (new manager told to assess who he has first)
I disagree.
I'm sure Nigel Pearson knows the Villa squad already
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on February 17, 2016, 03:48:43 PM
I hope M. Garde stays. But he must have support to rebuild. I'm quite sure he will go of his own free will if he isn't reassured that he can let rip.

That's my hope. My expectation is that he will go by 'mutual agreement' and be replaced by a lesser being. Yet another fresh start. And unsuccessful once again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on February 17, 2016, 03:51:59 PM
Quote from: in exile on February 17, 2016, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on February 17, 2016, 03:40:58 PM
...we will not get players in pre season (new manager told to assess who he has first)
I disagree.
I'm sure Nigel Pearson knows the Villa squad already
They will pick someone that doesn't then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 17, 2016, 04:45:30 PM
I do not understand the 'right manager at the wrong time' comment. Yes, may be when he came in but now he is certainly the right manager to rebuild us.  The chance of staying up was very slim and with the constant injuries, together with poor attitude we are seeing now and not least bringing in players, it was in reality near impossible.  As fans, we always think there is a chance and I have been as optimistic as most but the writing has been on the wall. Just look at the options for the front six at the moment. On Sunday, it ran to the six Garde picked plus Sinclair. We have a couple of options at the back but that's about it.

Going forward we need a technical manager that can build a side on the right principles, not somebody that can just shout. We have a poor squad and shouting may work for a run of games but what then. In recent years, the teams that have come up have generally been 'footballing' sides or fast counter attacking. Yes, they have been hard to beat but that has been because they have taken the game to the opposition, not because they just battled.

I feel Garde is the right man but needs the support of the Board in being able to do things as he sees fit. That doesn't mean spending lots of money but allowing him to weed out the wasters and poor players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on February 17, 2016, 05:55:49 PM
Garde should use the rest of the season to find out who wants to play for us and is good enough. In the summer clear out all the deadwood and rebuild. If the club puts the block on him i expect he'll walk.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 17, 2016, 06:40:57 PM
Apologies if I've not got this right, but didn't play Garde a key part in setting up the conveyor belt of young talent that Lyon produced in recent years? If so, let's give him what he needs from here on to do the job here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 17, 2016, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on February 17, 2016, 11:56:49 AM
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It was a day for a manager with a volcanic temper and a tongue like a butcher knife.  Not the sort of manager to patiently rebuild a squad given the time and the money but one to stop the club being humiliated there and then.

For the first (and only?) time in my life I found myself agreeing with Tom Toss in his column where he was berating Garde for doing nothing, either a positive word or a verbal hammering, during the break in play for injuries.

I feel dirty typing that too.

You shouldn't. Despite his allegiances he comes across as a Shitty fan first and a Brummie second. I genuinely think he is as even handed as possible for a Nose about us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 17, 2016, 07:30:29 PM
We need a new spine; literally and figuratively. Strong willed, narky, opinionated players of good quality right up the middle. A loudmouth keeper, a brutish and dominating centre half who equally cannot keep his opinions to himself. A thug of a defensive midfielder and goal scorer with a big ego.

Ayew, Veretout, Amavi and Gueye are all nice enough players with decent quality, but the spine we've tried to adorn them on is as brittle as a wet wheatabix.

There needs to be a root and branch change of the inatingle qualities we miss; leadership, attitude and arrogance. Westwood, Sanchez, Bacuna, Clark; they may all have the capability to do well in the second division or play as ad hoc squad players for a good Premier League side, but none of them are capable of doing what is required. They need to be lead and it's high time we brought a reliable spine.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 17, 2016, 09:02:46 PM
were you invertebrated when you wrote this?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 17, 2016, 09:14:21 PM
Quote from: ez on February 17, 2016, 05:55:49 PM
Garde should use the rest of the season to find out who wants to play for us and is good enough. In the summer clear out all the deadwood and rebuild. If the club puts the block on him i expect he'll walk.
Agree.They should be planning the clear out and identifying targets now.
I hope that the majority of this squad is let go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 17, 2016, 09:41:50 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 17, 2016, 07:30:29 PM
We need a new spine; literally and figuratively. Strong willed, narky, opinionated players of good quality right up the middle. A loudmouth keeper, a brutish and dominating centre half who equally cannot keep his opinions to himself. A thug of a defensive midfielder and goal scorer with a big ego.

Ayew, Veretout, Amavi and Gueye are all nice enough players with decent quality, but the spine we've tried to adorn them on is as brittle as a wet wheatabix.

There needs to be a root and branch change of the inatingle qualities we miss; leadership, attitude and arrogance. Westwood, Sanchez, Bacuna, Clark; they may all have the capability to do well in the second division or play as ad hoc squad players for a good Premier League side, but none of them are capable of doing what is required. They need to be lead and it's high time we brought a reliable spine.

Totally agree and it becomes more apparent by the game.  The lack of leadership on the field is stark.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 17, 2016, 09:42:49 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 17, 2016, 07:30:29 PM
We need a new spine; literally and figuratively. Strong willed, narky, opinionated players of good quality right up the middle. A loudmouth keeper, a brutish and dominating centre half who equally cannot keep his opinions to himself. A thug of a defensive midfielder and goal scorer with a big ego.

Ayew, Veretout, Amavi and Gueye are all nice enough players with decent quality, but the spine we've tried to adorn them on is as brittle as a wet wheatabix.

There needs to be a root and branch change of the inatingle qualities we miss; leadership, attitude and arrogance. Westwood, Sanchez, Bacuna, Clark; they may all have the capability to do well in the second division or play as ad hoc squad players for a good Premier League side, but none of them are capable of doing what is required. They need to be lead and it's high time we brought a reliable spine.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 17, 2016, 10:03:29 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 17, 2016, 07:30:29 PM
We need a new spine; literally and figuratively. Strong willed, narky, opinionated players of good quality right up the middle. A loudmouth keeper, a brutish and dominating centre half who equally cannot keep his opinions to himself. A thug of a defensive midfielder and goal scorer with a big ego.

Ayew, Veretout, Amavi and Gueye are all nice enough players with decent quality, but the spine we've tried to adorn them on is as brittle as a wet wheatabix.

There needs to be a root and branch change of the inatingle qualities we miss; leadership, attitude and arrogance. Westwood, Sanchez, Bacuna, Clark; they may all have the capability to do well in the second division or play as ad hoc squad players for a good Premier League side, but none of them are capable of doing what is required. They need to be lead and it's high time we brought a reliable spine.

You're not wrong there lad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hillbilly on February 17, 2016, 10:16:37 PM
Some of the posts above seem to come from the English 'commitment and fight' school of management. Shouting and looking angry is not leadership.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 17, 2016, 10:20:42 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 17, 2016, 07:30:29 PM
We need a new spine; literally and figuratively. Strong willed, narky, opinionated players of good quality right up the middle. A loudmouth keeper, a brutish and dominating centre half who equally cannot keep his opinions to himself. A thug of a defensive midfielder and goal scorer with a big ego.
Ayew, Veretout, Amavi and Gueye are all nice enough players with decent quality, but the spine we've tried to adorn them on is as brittle as a wet wheatabix.
There needs to be a root and branch change of the inatingle qualities we miss; leadership, attitude and arrogance. Westwood, Sanchez, Bacuna, Clark; they may all have the capability to do well in the second division or play as ad hoc squad players for a good Premier League side, but none of them are capable of doing what is required. They need to be lead and it's high time we brought a reliable spine.
Rubbish. We just need a little tinkering with may be a couple of players from the Belgian second division and we will be cooking on gas. Riley knows what he is doing and we are lucky to have him as head of our recruitment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on February 17, 2016, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 17, 2016, 07:30:29 PM
We need a new spine; literally and figuratively. Strong willed, narky, opinionated players of good quality right up the middle. A loudmouth keeper, a brutish and dominating centre half who equally cannot keep his opinions to himself. A thug of a defensive midfielder and goal scorer with a big ego.

Ayew, Veretout, Amavi and Gueye are all nice enough players with decent quality, but the spine we've tried to adorn them on is as brittle as a wet wheatabix.

There needs to be a root and branch change of the inatingle qualities we miss; leadership, attitude and arrogance. Westwood, Sanchez, Bacuna, Clark; they may all have the capability to do well in the second division or play as ad hoc squad players for a good Premier League side, but none of them are capable of doing what is required. They need to be lead and it's high time we brought a reliable spine.

'A dirty Scottish git' as I seem to remember the type of player we need being described in H and V many moons ago.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: nick harper on February 17, 2016, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 17, 2016, 04:45:30 PM
I do not understand the 'right manager at the wrong time' comment. Yes, may be when he came in but now he is certainly the right manager to rebuild us.  The chance of staying up was very slim and with the constant injuries, together with poor attitude we are seeing now and not least bringing in players, it was in reality near impossible.  As fans, we always think there is a chance and I have been as optimistic as most but the writing has been on the wall. Just look at the options for the front six at the moment. On Sunday, it ran to the six Garde picked plus Sinclair. We have a couple of options at the back but that's about it.

Going forward we need a technical manager that can build a side on the right principles, not somebody that can just shout. We have a poor squad and shouting may work for a run of games but what then. In recent years, the teams that have come up have generally been 'footballing' sides or fast counter attacking. Yes, they have been hard to beat but that has been because they have taken the game to the opposition, not because they just battled.

I feel Garde is the right man but needs the support of the Board in being able to do things as he sees fit. That doesn't mean spending lots of money but allowing him to weed out the wasters and poor players.

I think he'll be the right man next season if he can get his back room staff from Lyon in the summer. They may turn out to be the most important signings on the assumption the club give him the assurances over the changes he wants to make. I think they are very important to the way he manages.

The decisions the club makes in the next 3/4 months will determine whether we will have the tools to come straight back or whether we are out of this league for a long time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 17, 2016, 10:24:12 PM
Aye.  How brutish was Paul McGrath?

George Gavin always used to have a thing about needing a nasty, hairy arsed Jock in midfield, but the only thugs we had on the books that I can recall were Noel Blake and Robert Hopkins, and they found a more fitting stage for their talent in the end. 

Dennis Mortimer, Sid Cowans and then later Richardson and Townsend were all midfielders who could do the ugly stuff, but they were good players first and foremost.

It's good players we are lacking.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 17, 2016, 10:25:13 PM
Quote from: nick harper on February 17, 2016, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 17, 2016, 04:45:30 PM
I do not understand the 'right manager at the wrong time' comment. Yes, may be when he came in but now he is certainly the right manager to rebuild us.  The chance of staying up was very slim and with the constant injuries, together with poor attitude we are seeing now and not least bringing in players, it was in reality near impossible.  As fans, we always think there is a chance and I have been as optimistic as most but the writing has been on the wall. Just look at the options for the front six at the moment. On Sunday, it ran to the six Garde picked plus Sinclair. We have a couple of options at the back but that's about it.

Going forward we need a technical manager that can build a side on the right principles, not somebody that can just shout. We have a poor squad and shouting may work for a run of games but what then. In recent years, the teams that have come up have generally been 'footballing' sides or fast counter attacking. Yes, they have been hard to beat but that has been because they have taken the game to the opposition, not because they just battled.

I feel Garde is the right man but needs the support of the Board in being able to do things as he sees fit. That doesn't mean spending lots of money but allowing him to weed out the wasters and poor players.

I think he'll be the right man next season if he can get his back room staff from Lyon in the summer. They may turn out to be the most important signings on the assumption the club give him the assurances over the changes he wants to make. I think they are very important to the way he manages.

The decisions the club makes in the next 3/4 months will determine whether we will have the tools to come straight back or whether we are out of this league for a long time.

Good point. And if there's any truth in the speculation that the older, English players have downed tools in anticipation of another change of manager it would spell out quite clearly to them that the revolution is permanent so they'd better either get used to it or eff off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 17, 2016, 10:25:41 PM
At the risk of setting myself up for a right shoeing, but Paddy Reilly, the guy everyone takes the piss out of with PlayStation and X Box jokes is the same Paddy Reilly that turned up Veretout, Amavi, Ayew and Gueye?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 17, 2016, 10:28:59 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 17, 2016, 10:25:41 PM
At the risk of setting myself up for a right shoeing, but Paddy Reilly, the guy everyone takes the piss out of with PlayStation and X Box jokes is the same Paddy Reilly that turned up Veretout, Amavi, Ayew and Gueye?

That one baffles me too.

It reminds me of the days (pre-proof of corrupt practices) when people would moan and wail about the cartel of the Sky4 Champs. League dickheads and then when Platini tried to clip their wings there's be a circling of the nationalist wagons and cries of 'he hates us cuz we're English'.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 17, 2016, 10:33:02 PM
Quote from: Hillbilly on February 17, 2016, 10:16:37 PM
Some of the posts above seem to come from the English 'commitment and fight' school of management. Shouting and looking angry is not leadership.
I'd settle for someone who looks like they have a pulse. Most of the players and now the management look like they've just been stuffed into the fridge at the local morgue.
I feel for Garde and he has some of the right ideas but he's not got the dressing room on board, which regardless of circumstances, is a huge failing. And since the transfer window he just seems completely done. The job looks like a pain in the fucking ass (and it is).

Pearson probably would have kept us up. Okay long term he wouldn't be fantastic, but football isn't about long term these days. It's fight to survive, or spunk gazillions on buying the title. The odd anomaly aside (Leicester for this year only), the league is quite predictable. Spend and you do pretty well. Don't and your fucked. Ultimately a good structure and running of the club puts you on a good footing. The bottom three currently are the most shambolic clubs in the top flight. Each are an insult to football and stink to high heaven because of the poor infrastructure and we should have been flushed long before now.

Garde's not going to rouse the troops. I don't think there's any way back for him. He's not got the right approach. He's not got any backing and he's rapidly losing the will to drag himself out of bed in the morning by the look of him. By May he'll look like Harry Redknapps arse. I don't see him coming back refreshed and full of fight in the summer. I see us draining the lifeblood out of the poor fucker. Sack him off, and get some gruff grunting bastard like Pearson who knows that league and will growl us into shape. It's the only way under this current regime.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 17, 2016, 10:36:27 PM
OMVF

When I say Garde is the right man at the wrong time this season, it's because I see him as definitely the right sort of football man we need, just that someone who seems to be a decent human being doesn't deserve to have to put up with the shit he's taking from all sides and no support from above.

When I say that next season he could be the wrong man at the right time, it's because I fear we (Fox et al) are daft enough to "relieve him of his duties by mutual consent" at the point where he'd actually have the chance to start with pretty much a clean sheet of paper.  All of the mercenaries would be gone or go (Christ, Richards might actually do something useful and bring in a couple of million in a fee.). Hopefully most of the overpaid dross would have sufficient cuts in relegation clauses that we'd stand a chance of shifting some of them too.

If you're going to essentially build a team from scratch, you need intelligence, an understanding of how you want the team to work and an understanding of how the majority of 25 individuals are going to function as human beings and pull together, essentially forcing the rest into line.

If there was one point where we really f¤¤ked up in the summer (over and above keeping Sherwood) it was that the signings were overall not bad as individual players, but it's easy to see how the open divisions that are still there could have quickly developed, especially in the light of reports of things like Sherwood apparently not talking to Veretout again after the shirt stretching session.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on February 17, 2016, 10:40:31 PM
You know he can only pick from who is there.
UTV, Remi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 17, 2016, 10:46:47 PM
Pearson would make a degree of sense -though not right now, Garde might as well grim it out for the rest of this fetid campaign.

But pretty much all our appointments post O'Neill have given the obvious name the swerve.  So with that in mind, I think it will either be Bobby Gould or Charles N Zog as player manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on February 17, 2016, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 17, 2016, 10:46:47 PM
Pearson would make a degree of sense -though not right now, Garde might as well grim it out for the rest of this fetid campaign.

But pretty much all our appointments post O'Neill have given the obvious name the swerve.  So with that in mind, I think it will either be Bobby Gould or Charles N Zog as player manager.
Pearson would not make any sense at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Vegas on February 17, 2016, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 17, 2016, 10:46:47 PM
Charles N Zog as player manager.

I honestly don't think the English language would be up to the job if that happened
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Vegas on February 17, 2016, 10:53:51 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 17, 2016, 10:33:02 PM
Quote from: Hillbilly on February 17, 2016, 10:16:37 PM
Some of the posts above seem to come from the English 'commitment and fight' school of management. Shouting and looking angry is not leadership.


Pearson probably would have kept us up.

Opinions, and all that, but to me this is nonsense.  The players aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 17, 2016, 10:54:16 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 17, 2016, 10:46:47 PM
Pearson would make a degree of sense -though not right now, Garde might as well grim it out for the rest of this fetid campaign.

But pretty much all our appointments post O'Neill have given the obvious name the swerve.  So with that in mind, I think it will either be Bobby Gould or Charles N Zog as player manager.

I think they are capable of appointing Trevor Francis
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 17, 2016, 10:55:01 PM
Of course he would.

He is available and has only recently kept a team up from what looked like a hopeless position. He also got that same team out of the championship, which odds on is where we are going.

He's not your choice (wouldn't be mine either) but that's a different thing altogether.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 17, 2016, 10:56:38 PM
McGrath was quick, big and good in the air and one of the best centre halves to kick a ball. Brutal is how I'd describe facing that.

Villa Park is a nice place to come and play. Next season sides should be looking at the beams and reading about five league cups, 7 FA Cups, 7 league titles and a European Cup. Then they should look to their right and see quality players whose attitude to competing and winning is as intimidating as the silverware on show.

Players who can chew gravel, who will pass, run and kick you off B6, because you're not worthy to step out onto our turf Mr Second Division player. You're a tourist, a spectator. You dont belong here. You have no business being on our pitch, but seeing as you are, you will learn it the hard way. Take your selfies for Instagram on the way out, because you won't be coming again.

We can't buy World Class like McGrath. We can buy quality though, physically and for the first time in a long time, mentally.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on February 17, 2016, 10:59:46 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 17, 2016, 10:55:01 PM
Of course he would.

He is available and has only recently kept a team up from what looked like a hopeless position. He also got that same team out of the championship, which odds on is where we are going.

He's not your choice (wouldn't be mine either) but that's a different thing altogether.

No way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on February 17, 2016, 11:12:25 PM
Quote from: Louzie04Remi on February 17, 2016, 10:59:46 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on February 17, 2016, 10:55:01 PM
Of course he would.

He is available and has only recently kept a team up from what looked like a hopeless position. He also got that same team out of the championship, which odds on is where we are going.

He's not your choice (wouldn't be mine either) but that's a different thing altogether.

No way.

If Garde were to leave, Chris Hughton would be my number one choice.

He's managed under difficult circumstances at Newscaslte and SHA.

He knows how to get promoted, see Newcastle and Norwich.

And his sides at Div 2 level play decent football.

We'd have to just get past a few of the morons that don't want him because he came from down the road.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: garyfouroaks on February 17, 2016, 11:21:44 PM
Pearson is the only realistic option to act as a catalyst for revival.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on February 17, 2016, 11:33:20 PM
Quote from: garyfouroaks on February 17, 2016, 11:21:44 PM
Pearson is the only realistic option to act as a catalyst for revival.

According to Pearson's agent, possibly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 17, 2016, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on February 17, 2016, 11:33:20 PM
Quote from: garyfouroaks on February 17, 2016, 11:21:44 PM
Pearson is the only realistic option to act as a catalyst for revival.

According to Pearson's agent, possibly.

I think there must be a strong chance that garyfouroaks is Pearson's agent.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 17, 2016, 11:38:04 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 17, 2016, 10:33:02 PM
Quote from: Hillbilly on February 17, 2016, 10:16:37 PM
Some of the posts above seem to come from the English 'commitment and fight' school of management. Shouting and looking angry is not leadership.
I'd settle for someone who looks like they have a pulse. Most of the players and now the management look like they've just been stuffed into the fridge at the local morgue.
1. feel for Garde and he has some of the right ideas but he's not got the dressing room on board, which regardless of circumstances, is a huge failing.
2. And since the transfer window he just seems completely done. The job looks like a pain in the fucking ass (and it is).

3. Pearson probably would have kept us up.
4. Okay long term he wouldn't be fantastic, but football isn't about long term these days. It's fight to survive, or spunk gazillions on buying the title. The odd anomaly aside (Leicester for this year only), the league is quite predictable.
5. Spend and you do pretty well. Don't and your fucked. Ultimately a good structure and running of the club puts you on a good footing. The bottom three currently are the most shambolic clubs in the top flight. Each are an insult to football and stink to high heaven because of the poor infrastructure and we should have been flushed long before now.

6. Garde's not going to rouse the troops.
7. I don't think there's any way back for him. He's not got the right approach.
8. He's not got any backing and he's rapidly losing the will to drag himself out of bed in the morning by the look of him. By May he'll look like Harry Redknapps arse. I don't see him coming back refreshed and full of fight in the summer. I see us draining the lifeblood out of the poor fucker.
9. Sack him off, and get some gruff grunting bastard like Pearson who knows that league and will growl us into shape. It's the only way under this current regime.

F¤¤k me, that's the most hypebolic load of prejudicial bollocks you've come out with since your "Helenius is a bad egg" bile session 6 months before the depression diagnosis.

1. Odd then that most people thought that there'd been a bit of  turnaround and things were starting to head in the right direction, at least attitude wise after the nadir  Wycombe. What the hell happened between Norwich and Sunday will hopefully be revealed one day. The one thing that's obvious is that Sherwood who built the bloody team couldn't get them playing for each other.  If one group or the other have got the hump (or in our case apparently both) it doesn't matter if you've got Gunnery Sergeant Hartman giving you a bollocking, Sigmund Freud sitting you down to discuss your anger issues or Evangeline Lilly promising you all sorts of favours, when there's as much bad blood as there appears to be between various factions, any truce is only going to be temporary.

2. He's just been f¤¤ked over by the those who should be backing him.  What does anyone expect? A Fred Astaire style entrance to press conferences?

3. See part 1. I don't think anyone could have kept us up without getting 3 or 4 players in to go with what was already there and give himself a "clear majority" in the dressing room. (Assuming a good chunk don't care either way and just keep their heads down.  Playground politics at it's finest.)

4. How do you think we got into this mess in the first place, because it sure as f¤¤k wasn't long term planning.  Long term planning is what got Swansea up and until recently comfortable.  Long term planning is what got Southampton lined up for a second consecutive top 6 finish spending not much more in 2 seasons that we spent in MON's last season

5. Again have you actually been watching what's been happening.  It's not lack of spending that's sending us down.  It's spending money badly, without any thought of tomorrow, or of today actually looking at deals like bringing Gestede into a team that can't cross the ball, or a recruitment strategy that hasn't thought about whether these players will actually function together, regardless of whether they're decent footballers or not.

6. I don't think anyone could.  The likes of Richards and Gabby obviously don't give a fuck, the French recruits are trying, but don't trust "the other lot" and then there's the likes of Bunn, Okore who I suspect are part of the pack that's doing their best to keep their heads down, and do just enough not to piss either faction or the boss off.

7. He's absolutely got the right approach.  It involves employing footballers who can think with more than either their dicks or their wallets. (Any inference of the two together is entirely of your own making unless substantiated with hard evidence for which The Sunday Sun will probably pay well for.). It involves having an actual game plan instead of Sherwood's kick and rush or Lambert's let's see how many back-passes we can manage from a goal kick.  Or do you think Pulis/Pearson/Alardyce ball is the way to go.  Look at the records of the teams promoted since the second tier changed to "The Championship" in 2004/05.  33 teams promoted and the only ones I can recall as a bit "kick it and run" are
Watford (Aidey Boothroyd) 2005/06
Stoke (Tony Pulis) 2007/08
Wolves  (Mick McCarthy) 2008/09
Leicester (Nigel Pearson) 2013/14

8. There's no doubt he was royally shafted those last 2 days of January when Hollis/Fox wouldn't cough for the deals he'd set up, but.......  Whoever is in the hot seat is going to have to gut the squad (although I'd guess that a good chunk of that will happen automatically) and be backed in the transfer market.

9. I hope to god that you're either taking the piss or are on your 5th round of Absinthe and Domestos with moonshine chasers. People talk about people getting the club.  I reckon the only thing Pearson gets is an anxiety attack every time he's asked a question that isn't either his name and date of birth or his shoe size. If you thought Lambert was an easy target for his unintelligible bullshit, wait until you've listened to a few of Pearson's pseudo intellectual passive aggressive bollocks because he's afraid of revealing himself to be even thicker than everyone already thinks he is. Last season one of the Danish channels that covers the PL made a montage of his interviews. nearly two minutes of "ur", "well", "because I said so" interspersed with some "inventive" questions of course.  And all the time him getting redder and redder in the face. The man's a troglodyte in appearance, intellect and approach to the world.  The name of Aston Villa Football Club is wounded enough as it is. We don't need it being indelibly stained by offering him employment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 18, 2016, 07:19:43 AM
can we all just calm down a bit?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 18, 2016, 07:24:23 AM
PS - by that I mean can we try and have a rational debate on things without applying ever more outrageous adjectives as a prefix to people's perceived inadequacies etc.? This debate is starting to remind me of those absurd colour charts you pick up in car show rooms or B & Q.   (Guantanamo Yellow/Intense Cassis and that sort of thing).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 18, 2016, 07:48:38 AM
What we really want,in our hour of need,is for Fred Rinder to rise from his grave get back to Villa Park and sort the whole bloody mess out with a rod of iron.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on February 18, 2016, 08:35:42 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on February 18, 2016, 07:24:23 AM
PS - by that I mean can we try and have a rational debate on things without applying ever more outrageous adjectives as a prefix to people's perceived inadequacies etc.? This debate is starting to remind me of those absurd colour charts you pick up in car show rooms or B & Q.   (Guantanamo Yellow/Intense Cassis and that sort of thing).

Or, in the case of my last car: Lunar Sky...Brown!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: maigrait on February 18, 2016, 09:00:25 AM
Pearson is so not the right fella. Booted out from leicester due to being a poisonous character.
Yes he kept them up but they seem to be doing an ok job without him being around. Maybe just maybe its the players that rallied around themselves to get out of relegation who knows.....

Hopefully Garde stays. He seems to have the right thing to say at the interviews which makes a change. If the players dont follow instructions what are you to do?

Everyone saying play u21 players. Are they any good on the main stage? To push them in without any easing them in to the situation would surely be a folly? Although not bringing an u21 striker into the fold is perhaps a bit silly due to our current injuries.

The whole club is in a bit of a mess.

The buying cheap players consistently for seasons has come to roost. Did lerner think it would be possible to survive just on that strategy alone? If it was that easy all the teams would be doing it....,

UTV
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on February 18, 2016, 09:12:53 AM
Credit where credit's due Pearson did a brilliant job at Leicester and did well at the Albion, too. My issue with him is that he's an arrogant contemptible Canute.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: postal on February 18, 2016, 10:48:38 AM
If we lose at Stoke, I hope that Garde goes, for his own sake and sanity.
Either way, he'll go in the summer as I dont think he has the mentality to cope in the Championship and he wont get the backing from the Board.

I like him and there has been times when the "team" have almost done what seems to have been asked and been close to not screwing up. But we are have very "light" players in the midfield, when you need a couple of big men to create the spine. We'll need that next season.

And I'm sick of Harry "I'm still relevant" Redknapp commenting on, well, anything really.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on February 18, 2016, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on February 18, 2016, 07:48:38 AM
What we really want,in our hour of need,is for Fred Rinder to rise from his grave get back to Villa Park and sort the whole bloody mess out with a rod of iron.

What a good idea.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: RussellC on February 18, 2016, 11:12:04 AM
As far as I'm concerned, it's almost impossible to judge Garde one way or another.

He's working with a squad that he's inherited, that have never at any given time all been fit and available with no backing from the people that employed him. At times the side have looked more organised than they did previously, but in other games they've looked a million times worse.

Who can really make a considered judgement on him either way? One thing's for sure, now that he's in place, the club would have to be fucking stupid to want to flip the proverbial coin again and look for yet another Manager. that said, the 'club' have proven themselves to be fucking stupid on numerous occasions in recent years, so nothing would surprise me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on February 18, 2016, 12:25:53 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 03:13:08 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 17, 2016, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
I like Garde, I just think he is the right manager at the wrong time.

He got stiffed big time in the transfer window and he inherited a lot of shit, but lets be honest it's 2 wins in what 14 games and the team still looks as half arsed, unmotivated and disjointed as it's ever been. For me he has had zero effect since coming in.

I'm going to have to go and shower for a week because i feel so dirty for saying it but when we are in the championship garde aint going to be the man to get us out, it needs a dirty horrible bastard like Pearson



So all the managers who have gotten teams promoted from the Championship have been dirty horrible bastards like Pearson? Because I would contend that there are several types of manager that have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, so Garde will do just fine. And Pearson will remain a dirty horrible bastard that we should avoid like the plague.

Not all the managers no, did I say all the managers?

Let's face facts, in the january transfer window the club did sod all so chances are they will do the same in the summer, minimal outlay and few free transfers.

Much as I want them gone the majority of the squad will still be here, so Garde is going to have to, for the most part work with what we have now and probably more shit.

Garde isn't motivating the team now and 2 wins in 14 suggests he has had no discernible impact on the team, so what is he going to do that will dramatically improve things in the championship?

Judging the man after 16 games, knowing full well the pile of shit he not only inherited, but was then forced to work with exclusively in January.

Absolute bat shit crazy!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 18, 2016, 01:04:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on February 18, 2016, 11:12:04 AM
As far as I'm concerned, it's almost impossible to judge Garde one way or another.

He's working with a squad that he's inherited, that have never at any given time all been fit and available with no backing from the people that employed him. At times the side have looked more organised than they did previously, but in other games they've looked a million times worse.

Who can really make a considered judgement on him either way? One thing's for sure, now that he's in place, the club would have to be fucking stupid to want to flip the proverbial coin again and look for yet another Manager. that said, the 'club' have proven themselves to be fucking stupid on numerous occasions in recent years, so nothing would surprise me.

Spot on.

We need to let someone literally decimate this squad, and rebuild it from top to bottom. I fear the club will simply punt out Garde and go for anyone who says they will work with what is there and the kids.

I reckon anyone willing to do it under the financial restrictions in place will be handed the keys in the summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 18, 2016, 01:05:53 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on February 18, 2016, 12:25:53 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 03:13:08 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 17, 2016, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
I like Garde, I just think he is the right manager at the wrong time.

He got stiffed big time in the transfer window and he inherited a lot of shit, but lets be honest it's 2 wins in what 14 games and the team still looks as half arsed, unmotivated and disjointed as it's ever been. For me he has had zero effect since coming in.

I'm going to have to go and shower for a week because i feel so dirty for saying it but when we are in the championship garde aint going to be the man to get us out, it needs a dirty horrible bastard like Pearson



So all the managers who have gotten teams promoted from the Championship have been dirty horrible bastards like Pearson? Because I would contend that there are several types of manager that have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, so Garde will do just fine. And Pearson will remain a dirty horrible bastard that we should avoid like the plague.

Not all the managers no, did I say all the managers?

Let's face facts, in the january transfer window the club did sod all so chances are they will do the same in the summer, minimal outlay and few free transfers.

Much as I want them gone the majority of the squad will still be here, so Garde is going to have to, for the most part work with what we have now and probably more shit.

Garde isn't motivating the team now and 2 wins in 14 suggests he has had no discernible impact on the team, so what is he going to do that will dramatically improve things in the championship?

Judging the man after 16 games, knowing full well the pile of shit he not only inherited, but was then forced to work with exclusively in January.

Absolute bat shit crazy!

It is, but not quite as Yampy as some of the people who think he'll be replacing Wenger at Arsenal. I know you can't polish a turd but you can stiffen one up a bit. I expect that of any manager at Villa, regardless of anything else.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 18, 2016, 01:21:55 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 18, 2016, 01:05:53 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on February 18, 2016, 12:25:53 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 03:13:08 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 17, 2016, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
I like Garde, I just think he is the right manager at the wrong time.

He got stiffed big time in the transfer window and he inherited a lot of shit, but lets be honest it's 2 wins in what 14 games and the team still looks as half arsed, unmotivated and disjointed as it's ever been. For me he has had zero effect since coming in.

I'm going to have to go and shower for a week because i feel so dirty for saying it but when we are in the championship garde aint going to be the man to get us out, it needs a dirty horrible bastard like Pearson



So all the managers who have gotten teams promoted from the Championship have been dirty horrible bastards like Pearson? Because I would contend that there are several types of manager that have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, so Garde will do just fine. And Pearson will remain a dirty horrible bastard that we should avoid like the plague.

Not all the managers no, did I say all the managers?

Let's face facts, in the january transfer window the club did sod all so chances are they will do the same in the summer, minimal outlay and few free transfers.

Much as I want them gone the majority of the squad will still be here, so Garde is going to have to, for the most part work with what we have now and probably more shit.

Garde isn't motivating the team now and 2 wins in 14 suggests he has had no discernible impact on the team, so what is he going to do that will dramatically improve things in the championship?

Judging the man after 16 games, knowing full well the pile of shit he not only inherited, but was then forced to work with exclusively in January.

Absolute bat shit crazy!

It is, but not quite as Yampy as some of the people who think he'll be replacing Wenger at Arsenal. I know you can't polish a turd but you can stiffen one up a bit. I expect that of any manager at Villa, regardless of anything else.

Rome wasn't built in a day I understand that but just to reiterate Garde has had zero impact. Next season the turd will be bigger and probably  2/3 flushes
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 18, 2016, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 18, 2016, 01:04:10 PM
We need to let someone literally decimate this squad

I think we probably need to get rid of more than two or three players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Fred on February 18, 2016, 01:42:04 PM
I suspect if Garde goes he will get a reputation that might be undeserved.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 18, 2016, 01:47:52 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 18, 2016, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 18, 2016, 01:04:10 PM
We need to let someone literally decimate this squad

I think we probably need to get rid of more than two or three players.

Very good Dave. I would settle for a public hanging of 1 in every 10. The choice would be tough though.

Maybe abolish would be better then. It does pose the question over the validity of the wider usage of decimate then, as it is clearly used in a lazy context (at least was by me above).

Much more interesting than Villa though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 18, 2016, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 18, 2016, 01:47:52 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 18, 2016, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 18, 2016, 01:04:10 PM
We need to let someone literally decimate this squad

I think we probably need to get rid of more than two or three players.

Very good Dave. I would settle for a public hanging of 1 in every 10. The choice would be tough though.

Maybe abolish would be better then. It does pose the question over the validity of the wider usage of decimate then, as it is clearly used in a lazy context (at least was by me above).

It does. We could probably do with a "pedantry" emoticon for situations like this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 18, 2016, 03:13:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 18, 2016, 01:04:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on February 18, 2016, 11:12:04 AM
As far as I'm concerned, it's almost impossible to judge Garde one way or another.

He's working with a squad that he's inherited, that have never at any given time all been fit and available with no backing from the people that employed him. At times the side have looked more organised than they did previously, but in other games they've looked a million times worse.

Who can really make a considered judgement on him either way? One thing's for sure, now that he's in place, the club would have to be fucking stupid to want to flip the proverbial coin again and look for yet another Manager. that said, the 'club' have proven themselves to be fucking stupid on numerous occasions in recent years, so nothing would surprise me.

Spot on.

We need to let someone literally decimate this squad, and rebuild it from top to bottom. I fear the club will simply punt out Garde and go for anyone who says they will work with what is there and the kids.

I reckon anyone willing to do it under the financial restrictions in place will be handed the keys in the summer.

That really would be dejavu then, because that line of thinking was how we wound up with McLeish.

We cannot let the dog wag the tail again. That way lies the third division.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 18, 2016, 04:31:16 PM
Quote from: Fred on February 18, 2016, 01:42:04 PM
I suspect if Garde goes he will get a reputation that might be undeserved.

If you go by the reputation he has on here then he will be seen as a really, really good manager but also a really, really not very good manager. Nothing undeserved about that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 18, 2016, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 18, 2016, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 18, 2016, 01:47:52 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 18, 2016, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 18, 2016, 01:04:10 PM
We need to let someone literally decimate this squad

I think we probably need to get rid of more than two or three players.

Very good Dave. I would settle for a public hanging of 1 in every 10. The choice would be tough though.

Maybe abolish would be better then. It does pose the question over the validity of the wider usage of decimate then, as it is clearly used in a lazy context (at least was by me above).

It does. We could probably do with a "pedantry" emoticon for situations like this.

OED Blog on the subject (http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2012/09/does-decimate-mean-destroy-one-tenth/)

Even the destroy or kill 1/10 definition isn't etymologically correct.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 18, 2016, 07:09:55 PM
He's how to do it (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/feb/18/mauricio-pochettino-tottenham-premier-league-best-defence) ...

The cunning devils at Spppurrrrrrrrrs have finally worked out the way to compete for the league title; ain't that difficult,now, is it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 18, 2016, 08:17:54 PM
Wednesday next week (24th Feb) I've got an invite to an event at VP through my work.
Stadium tour, lunch, then a Q & A with first team player and the manager in the afternoon. I'm really looking forward to it.
If I get a chance what sort of things would H & Vers suggest I ask ? Serious suggestions only please.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 18, 2016, 08:26:34 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 18, 2016, 08:17:54 PM
Wednesday next week (24th Feb) I've got an invite to an event at VP through my work.
Stadium tour, lunch, then a Q & A with first team player and the manager in the afternoon. I'm really looking forward to it.
If I get a chance what sort of things would H & Vers suggest I ask ? Serious suggestions only please.
the most obvious ones to Garde
Will you be here next season.
Do you feel you have the full backing of the board.Will you have a free hand in dealing with the playing staff.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on February 18, 2016, 08:27:07 PM
Ask him if the Brasserie George in Lyon is all it's cracked up to be. I'll be there next week.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT Villan on February 18, 2016, 09:12:46 PM
Could you ask Remi who won the gum-spitting competition, Guzan or Lescott ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2016, 09:16:08 PM
Ask Garde if he likes the food here and has he been to the Balti Triangle.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
Quote from: Fred on February 18, 2016, 01:42:04 PM
I suspect if Garde goes he will get a reputation that might be undeserved.
In that case he needs to stick around and build up a great reputation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 18, 2016, 09:25:38 PM
Quote from: olaftab on February 18, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
Quote from: Fred on February 18, 2016, 01:42:04 PM
I suspect if Garde goes he will get a reputation that might be undeserved.
In that case he needs to stick around and build up a great reputation.

And stop playing Bacuna because only a complete fool would continue to play that clown every week. I like Remi but I agree with others who are saying he doesn't seem able to motivate or enthuse the players. I know he inherited them and will hopefully be supported if he stays but he has to stop playing Bacuna!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on February 19, 2016, 02:11:45 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 18, 2016, 01:21:55 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 18, 2016, 01:05:53 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on February 18, 2016, 12:25:53 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 03:13:08 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 17, 2016, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
I like Garde, I just think he is the right manager at the wrong time.

He got stiffed big time in the transfer window and he inherited a lot of shit, but lets be honest it's 2 wins in what 14 games and the team still looks as half arsed, unmotivated and disjointed as it's ever been. For me he has had zero effect since coming in.

I'm going to have to go and shower for a week because i feel so dirty for saying it but when we are in the championship garde aint going to be the man to get us out, it needs a dirty horrible bastard like Pearson



So all the managers who have gotten teams promoted from the Championship have been dirty horrible bastards like Pearson? Because I would contend that there are several types of manager that have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, so Garde will do just fine. And Pearson will remain a dirty horrible bastard that we should avoid like the plague.

Not all the managers no, did I say all the managers?

Let's face facts, in the january transfer window the club did sod all so chances are they will do the same in the summer, minimal outlay and few free transfers.

Much as I want them gone the majority of the squad will still be here, so Garde is going to have to, for the most part work with what we have now and probably more shit.

Garde isn't motivating the team now and 2 wins in 14 suggests he has had no discernible impact on the team, so what is he going to do that will dramatically improve things in the championship?

Judging the man after 16 games, knowing full well the pile of shit he not only inherited, but was then forced to work with exclusively in January.

Absolute bat shit crazy!

It is, but not quite as Yampy as some of the people who think he'll be replacing Wenger at Arsenal. I know you can't polish a turd but you can stiffen one up a bit. I expect that of any manager at Villa, regardless of anything else.

Rome wasn't built in a day I understand that but just to reiterate Garde has had zero impact. Next season the turd will be bigger and probably  2/3 flushes

Super. Then let's can him (why not after all) and go again with another savior. Let's see where repeating the ills of the last 5 years gets us.

Division 3 I suspect.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 19, 2016, 08:15:06 AM
Quote from: gpbarr on February 19, 2016, 02:11:45 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 18, 2016, 01:21:55 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 18, 2016, 01:05:53 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on February 18, 2016, 12:25:53 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 03:13:08 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 17, 2016, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 17, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
I like Garde, I just think he is the right manager at the wrong time.

He got stiffed big time in the transfer window and he inherited a lot of shit, but lets be honest it's 2 wins in what 14 games and the team still looks as half arsed, unmotivated and disjointed as it's ever been. For me he has had zero effect since coming in.

I'm going to have to go and shower for a week because i feel so dirty for saying it but when we are in the championship garde aint going to be the man to get us out, it needs a dirty horrible bastard like Pearson



So all the managers who have gotten teams promoted from the Championship have been dirty horrible bastards like Pearson? Because I would contend that there are several types of manager that have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, so Garde will do just fine. And Pearson will remain a dirty horrible bastard that we should avoid like the plague.

Not all the managers no, did I say all the managers?

Let's face facts, in the january transfer window the club did sod all so chances are they will do the same in the summer, minimal outlay and few free transfers.

Much as I want them gone the majority of the squad will still be here, so Garde is going to have to, for the most part work with what we have now and probably more shit.

Garde isn't motivating the team now and 2 wins in 14 suggests he has had no discernible impact on the team, so what is he going to do that will dramatically improve things in the championship?

Judging the man after 16 games, knowing full well the pile of shit he not only inherited, but was then forced to work with exclusively in January.

Absolute bat shit crazy!

It is, but not quite as Yampy as some of the people who think he'll be replacing Wenger at Arsenal. I know you can't polish a turd but you can stiffen one up a bit. I expect that of any manager at Villa, regardless of anything else.

Rome wasn't built in a day I understand that but just to reiterate Garde has had zero impact. Next season the turd will be bigger and probably  2/3 flushes

Super. Then let's can him (why not after all) and go again with another savior. Let's see where repeating the ills of the last 5 years gets us.

Division 3 I suspect.

i dont disagree with you

but lets be honest can you give any good reasons why garde is going to be the man to get us out of the championship?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on February 19, 2016, 08:28:39 AM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 18, 2016, 08:17:54 PM
Wednesday next week (24th Feb) I've got an invite to an event at VP through my work.
Stadium tour, lunch, then a Q & A with first team player and the manager in the afternoon. I'm really looking forward to it.
If I get a chance what sort of things would H & Vers suggest I ask ? Serious suggestions only please.

I suppose it entirely depends on which first team player.

How about - do you agree with most fans assessment that the attitude of the majority of the first team squad and their approach to their work this season has been both unprofessional and, as such, this has led to the unacceptable level of performances?

For Garde

Assuming you stay in post, what are your priorities immediately after the season ends?

I hope for an answer similar to Taylor's in 1987 - i.e. Player Overhaul
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 19, 2016, 08:33:20 AM
The manager is irrelevant until things behind the scene are sorted. Most of this current team is not good enough to get us up or will look to abandon ship meaning a potentially large and expensive overhaul of the playing staff which I doubt the Board have any appetite for.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 19, 2016, 08:33:31 AM
Unless something changes regarding the running of the club and the subsequent backing of the manager, it's difficult to imagine who would be a good bet to get us straight back up, if all they get to work with is the incumbent bunch of inadequates.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 19, 2016, 09:56:29 AM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 18, 2016, 08:17:54 PM
Wednesday next week (24th Feb) I've got an invite to an event at VP through my work.
Stadium tour, lunch, then a Q & A with first team player and the manager in the afternoon. I'm really looking forward to it.
If I get a chance what sort of things would H & Vers suggest I ask ? Serious suggestions only please.
Ask Garde:
Is he of the Chocolate Fireguard variety, of the Old Guard or of the Home Guard?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 19, 2016, 10:11:25 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 19, 2016, 08:15:06 AM

but lets be honest can you give any good reasons why garde is going to be the man to get us out of the championship?

Based on the rebuilding of the side at Lyon, the type of side he built, what he has done here in very difficult circumstances and very few players to pick from and standing up to the Board and not letting them hide, I think he is just the type of manager we need.

Perhaps you could name somebody that has dealt with similar circumstances and being successful.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on February 19, 2016, 10:13:36 AM
I can't believe there are people blaming Garde for a situation brewing since 2010. The guy inherited a complete mess when he arrived in November. We were on 4 points. let's not forget that. Also let's not forget the 'calibre' of player  recruited over the last five years: Holman, KEA, Tonev, Dawkins, Bowery, Bennett, Richardson and that's being kind to the likes of Bacuna, Westwood and Sylla.

We are an ever present premier league club that has been trying to do things on the cheap for too long. We deserve this, too many idiots in positions of power.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 19, 2016, 10:20:39 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 19, 2016, 10:11:25 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 19, 2016, 08:15:06 AM

but lets be honest can you give any good reasons why garde is going to be the man to get us out of the championship?

Based on the rebuilding of the side at Lyon, the type of side he built, what he has done here in very difficult circumstances and very few players to pick from and standing up to the Board and not letting them hide, I think he is just the type of manager we need.

Perhaps you could name somebody that has dealt with similar circumstances and being successful.

Nigel Pearson is always the popular name. He of one promotion from the Championship in his six attempts.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 19, 2016, 10:27:35 AM
Quote from: Newby on February 18, 2016, 09:25:38 PM
Quote from: olaftab on February 18, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
Quote from: Fred on February 18, 2016, 01:42:04 PM
I suspect if Garde goes he will get a reputation that might be undeserved.
In that case he needs to stick around and build up a great reputation.

And stop playing Bacuna because only a complete fool would continue to play that clown every week. I like Remi but I agree with others who are saying he doesn't seem able to motivate or enthuse the players. I know he inherited them and will hopefully be supported if he stays but he has to stop playing Bacuna!!
Good team spirit (motivation and enthusiasm) is usually the output of some success generated by someone producing a method of working  that is cohesive and productive and dare I say makes sense. We have lacked a cohesive method for far too long and that leads to apathy and regression. We need to implement more considered approach, that hopefully Garde is doing, and not "I attended a seminar this week" (Lambert) or  'kick and rush" (Sherwood) type of approach.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 19, 2016, 12:47:44 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 19, 2016, 10:13:36 AM
I can't believe there are people blaming Garde for a situation brewing since 2010. The guy inherited a complete mess when he arrived in November. We were on 4 points. let's not forget that. Also let's not forget the 'calibre' of player  recruited over the last five years: Holman, KEA, Tonev, Dawkins, Bowery, Bennett, Richardson and that's being kind to the likes of Bacuna, Westwood and Sylla.

We are an ever present premier league club that has been trying to do things on the cheap for too long. We deserve this, too many idiots in positions of power.
Agree, and Holman and Kea would walk into this team,
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 19, 2016, 02:11:46 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 19, 2016, 12:47:44 PM
Quote from: Irish villain on February 19, 2016, 10:13:36 AM
I can't believe there are people blaming Garde for a situation brewing since 2010. The guy inherited a complete mess when he arrived in November. We were on 4 points. let's not forget that. Also let's not forget the 'calibre' of player  recruited over the last five years: Holman, KEA, Tonev, Dawkins, Bowery, Bennett, Richardson and that's being kind to the likes of Bacuna, Westwood and Sylla.

We are an ever present premier league club that has been trying to do things on the cheap for too long. We deserve this, too many idiots in positions of power.
Agree, and Holman and Kea would walk into this team,

KEA would keep walking in the team though, that was about as much pace as he could muster.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 19, 2016, 06:04:22 PM
I always thought KEA got a bad rap or at least was very under rated. Although he was one of those "nowhere" midfielders like Cleverly I am a sucker for a good work ethic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on February 19, 2016, 06:05:42 PM
Judging the man after 16 games, knowing full well the pile of shit he not only inherited, but was then forced to work with exclusively in January.

Absolute bat shit crazy!
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It is, but not quite as Yampy as some of the people who think he'll be replacing Wenger at Arsenal. I know you can't polish a turd but you can stiffen one up a bit. I expect that of any manager at Villa, regardless of anything else.
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Rome wasn't built in a day I understand that but just to reiterate Garde has had zero impact. Next season the turd will be bigger and probably  2/3 flushes
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Super. Then let's can him (why not after all) and go again with another savior. Let's see where repeating the ills of the last 5 years gets us.

Division 3 I suspect.
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i dont disagree with you

but lets be honest can you give any good reasons why garde is going to be the man to get us out of the championship?
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Sure - two - he talks sense (as opposed most our previous managers or the frightening suggestions people make for replacements such as Pearson), and he has a lot of credibility from his days with Lyon building a team with limited funding (as we will continue to be next year). Could you give me a good reason he couldn't?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 19, 2016, 06:40:01 PM
The "he talks like a sane person" angle goes a long way for me.

Although the results have been terrible I know I can tune in to the post game interview knowing my day wont be made even more miserable by our manager being deluded.

I am pretty certain he will be off in the summer given the lack of backing I would be delighted if he stayed.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 19, 2016, 08:21:20 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on February 19, 2016, 06:40:01 PM
The "he talks like a sane person" angle goes a long way for me.

Although the results have been terrible I know I can tune in to the post game interview knowing my day wont be made even more miserable by our manager being deluded.

I am pretty certain he will be off in the summer given the lack of backing I would be delighted if he stayed.


I'd actually be surprised if poor ol' Remi lasts until May. It must be an absolutely fucking horrible job. He might be thumbing the job ads to see if there's any muck spreading positions going down the nearest farm. That might be more favourable than having to try and train Leandro Bacuna to kick a ball vaguely in the direction he wants to, or trying to get Flabby to shed half a tonne of paunch.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 19, 2016, 08:55:32 PM
herding cats would be easier
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 19, 2016, 09:15:44 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on February 19, 2016, 08:55:32 PM
herding cats would be easier

https://vimeo.com/26828021

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: amfy on February 20, 2016, 12:36:32 PM
Can anyone who thinks we've seen no improvement since he took over explain how, even after last weekend's debacle, we are 11th on current form?

11th! Given how we ended last season, I would be delighted if that was our actual position, and that is where he has us playing to right now.

Sadly, there is too much ground to make up, and the teams around us are also showing improved form so the upturn isn't showing in our league position, but our form is clearly better than the first half of the season.

Last week was awful, but it was one game after a reasonable run where there was cause for cautious optimism. A current form table that still places us 11th maybe gives that a bit of context.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 20, 2016, 01:12:07 PM
Weren't we 4th in the form table or something before the Liverpool game?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 20, 2016, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: amfy on February 20, 2016, 12:36:32 PM
Can anyone who thinks we've seen no improvement since he took over explain how, even after last weekend's debacle, we are 11th on current form?

11th! Given how we ended last season, I would be delighted if that was our actual position, and that is where he has us playing to right now.

Sadly, there is too much ground to make up, and the teams around us are also showing improved form so the upturn isn't showing in our league position, but our form is clearly better than the first half of the season.

Last week was awful, but it was one game after a reasonable run where there was cause for cautious optimism. A current form table that still places us 11th maybe gives that a bit of context.

2 wins in 14, i think a minus 14 gd and still rock bottom but hey we are 11th on current form. 

i'll try and remember that when we are away at rotherham in february
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on February 20, 2016, 01:14:00 PM
Rotherham away is in October.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 20, 2016, 01:15:24 PM
Proper away day is Rotherham
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 20, 2016, 01:15:42 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 20, 2016, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: amfy on February 20, 2016, 12:36:32 PM
Can anyone who thinks we've seen no improvement since he took over explain how, even after last weekend's debacle, we are 11th on current form?

11th! Given how we ended last season, I would be delighted if that was our actual position, and that is where he has us playing to right now.

Sadly, there is too much ground to make up, and the teams around us are also showing improved form so the upturn isn't showing in our league position, but our form is clearly better than the first half of the season.

Last week was awful, but it was one game after a reasonable run where there was cause for cautious optimism. A current form table that still places us 11th maybe gives that a bit of context.

2 wins in 14, i think a minus 14 gd and still rock bottom but hey we are 11th on current form. 

i'll try and remember that when we are away at rotherham in february

Bit of a blinkered view, isn't it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: amfy on February 20, 2016, 01:21:51 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 20, 2016, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: amfy on February 20, 2016, 12:36:32 PM
Can anyone who thinks we've seen no improvement since he took over explain how, even after last weekend's debacle, we are 11th on current form?

11th! Given how we ended last season, I would be delighted if that was our actual position, and that is where he has us playing to right now.

Sadly, there is too much ground to make up, and the teams around us are also showing improved form so the upturn isn't showing in our league position, but our form is clearly better than the first half of the season.

Last week was awful, but it was one game after a reasonable run where there was cause for cautious optimism. A current form table that still places us 11th maybe gives that a bit of context.

2 wins in 14, i think a minus 14 gd and still rock bottom but hey we are 11th on current form. 

i'll try and remember that when we are away at rotherham in february

We'll be at Rotherham next season because of stuff that's happened before now. We were losing EVERY game, then we started to draw some, and IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS we have won a couple (not in the last 14) - that is an upturn. I don't see how itv can be argued that it isn't.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 20, 2016, 02:07:12 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 18, 2016, 08:17:54 PM
Wednesday next week (24th Feb) I've got an invite to an event at VP through my work.
Stadium tour, lunch, then a Q & A with first team player and the manager in the afternoon. I'm really looking forward to it.
If I get a chance what sort of things would H & Vers suggest I ask ? Serious suggestions only please.

Partly due to various discussions on here, but I'd be interested to know whether Garde thinks that a different skill set is required for managing in the championship versus managing a club in the premiership and whether he will look to change his style?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 20, 2016, 03:25:41 PM
Quote from: amfy on February 20, 2016, 01:21:51 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 20, 2016, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: amfy on February 20, 2016, 12:36:32 PM
Can anyone who thinks we've seen no improvement since he took over explain how, even after last weekend's debacle, we are 11th on current form?

11th! Given how we ended last season, I would be delighted if that was our actual position, and that is where he has us playing to right now.

Sadly, there is too much ground to make up, and the teams around us are also showing improved form so the upturn isn't showing in our league position, but our form is clearly better than the first half of the season.

Last week was awful, but it was one game after a reasonable run where there was cause for cautious optimism. A current form table that still places us 11th maybe gives that a bit of context.

2 wins in 14, i think a minus 14 gd and still rock bottom but hey we are 11th on current form. 

i'll try and remember that when we are away at rotherham in february

We'll be at Rotherham next season because of stuff that's happened before now. We were losing EVERY game, then we started to draw some, and IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS we have won a couple (not in the last 14) - that is an upturn. I don't see how itv can be argued that it isn't.

As ever Amfy, a voice of reason and common sense.

Unfortunately the desperation of our position and the raw upset and anger it engenders means that not many people want to listen to reason. (Not criticising those people, and understandable, perfectly human response.)

That's compounded by the fact that their isn't a definite focus for that anger which leads to squabbles about who should get both barrels first.

Lerner - never here and too well insulated from it all so how do you get at him?
Hollis - only just arrived, how much can be his fault?
Fox - is it his fault he appears to be overpromoted? Just Lerner's lackey?
Garde - making the best from an impossible situation or incompetent for not getting us closer to safety?
The players - for appearing to have been duplicitous wankers in one half of the squad, or not good enough in general?

Plenty of people to have a go at, depending on your point of view, but until there's a definite single point to focus on, there'll be as much in-fighting as blood letting.
And until there's been that blood letting rational debate of our situation (other than we're FUBAR) will be difficult.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on February 20, 2016, 03:38:18 PM
Just because others have a different view point doesn't mean their not listening to reason.
When I see my manager standing like a book end for 90 minutes, without showing a glimpse of emotion when were getting battered, I may get a tad pissed off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on February 20, 2016, 03:46:06 PM
Quote from: amfy on February 20, 2016, 01:21:51 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 20, 2016, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: amfy on February 20, 2016, 12:36:32 PM
Can anyone who thinks we've seen no improvement since he took over explain how, even after last weekend's debacle, we are 11th on current form?

11th! Given how we ended last season, I would be delighted if that was our actual position, and that is where he has us playing to right now.

Sadly, there is too much ground to make up, and the teams around us are also showing improved form so the upturn isn't showing in our league position, but our form is clearly better than the first half of the season.

Last week was awful, but it was one game after a reasonable run where there was cause for cautious optimism. A current form table that still places us 11th maybe gives that a bit of context.

2 wins in 14, i think a minus 14 gd and still rock bottom but hey we are 11th on current form. 

i'll try and remember that when we are away at rotherham in february

We'll be at Rotherham next season because of stuff that's happened before now. We were losing EVERY game, then we started to draw some, and IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS we have won a couple (not in the last 14) - that is an upturn. I don't see how itv can be argued that it isn't.

I don't think we need to worry about being at Rotherham next season.




They are 5 points from safety and losing again today.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 20, 2016, 04:39:16 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on February 20, 2016, 03:46:06 PM
Quote from: amfy on February 20, 2016, 01:21:51 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 20, 2016, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: amfy on February 20, 2016, 12:36:32 PM
Can anyone who thinks we've seen no improvement since he took over explain how, even after last weekend's debacle, we are 11th on current form?

11th! Given how we ended last season, I would be delighted if that was our actual position, and that is where he has us playing to right now.

Sadly, there is too much ground to make up, and the teams around us are also showing improved form so the upturn isn't showing in our league position, but our form is clearly better than the first half of the season.

Last week was awful, but it was one game after a reasonable run where there was cause for cautious optimism. A current form table that still places us 11th maybe gives that a bit of context.

2 wins in 14, i think a minus 14 gd and still rock bottom but hey we are 11th on current form. 

i'll try and remember that when we are away at rotherham in february

We'll be at Rotherham next season because of stuff that's happened before now. We were losing EVERY game, then we started to draw some, and IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS we have won a couple (not in the last 14) - that is an upturn. I don't see how itv can be argued that it isn't.

I don't think we need to worry about being at Rotherham next season.




They are 5 points from safety and losing again today.

Oh balls
i was looking forward to that
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 20, 2016, 04:56:59 PM
These away games in February just keep piling up, don't they?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on February 20, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
I'll post something similar in the other football thread but, I'm over here in that there London and I'm just in from watching Brentford v Derby.   If we hang on to the better players we have and add a couple of steady players in the right positions then, we'll be there or thereabouts.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on February 20, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
I'll post something similar in the other football thread but, I'm over here in that there London and I'm just in from watching Brentford v Derby.   If we hang on to the better players we have and add a couple of steady players in the right positions then, we'll be there or thereabouts.

I totally agree, that team under a stable management and owner would be there or thereabouts but it's all the other shite that's a worry. Teams tend not to do well when everyone above the manager is disinterested, weak, or incompetant
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: amfy on February 20, 2016, 07:33:08 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on February 20, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
I'll post something similar in the other football thread but, I'm over here in that there London and I'm just in from watching Brentford v Derby.   If we hang on to the better players we have and add a couple of steady players in the right positions then, we'll be there or thereabouts.

I totally agree, that team under a stable management and owner would be there or thereabouts but it's all the other shite that's a worry. Teams tend not to do well when the everyone above the manager is disinterested, weak, or incompetant

Although weirdly, our neighbours are there or thereabouts with a complete shambles above them, not a pot to piss in,  and a reasonable manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 20, 2016, 07:41:08 PM
Quote from: amfy on February 20, 2016, 07:33:08 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on February 20, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
I'll post something similar in the other football thread but, I'm over here in that there London and I'm just in from watching Brentford v Derby.   If we hang on to the better players we have and add a couple of steady players in the right positions then, we'll be there or thereabouts.

I totally agree, that team under a stable management and owner would be there or thereabouts but it's all the other shite that's a worry. Teams tend not to do well when the everyone above the manager is disinterested, weak, or incompetant

Although weirdly, our neighbours are there or thereabouts with a complete shambles above them, not a pot to piss in,  and a reasonable manager.

Agreed, keep Garde, back him to keep the players he wants to and replace 4-5 others and we'll be right up there, the standard of the championship drops off pretty quickly outside 6-7 sides who were recently relegated (Hull, Burnley and Cardiff) or who have been reasonably well backed for a few years (Boro, Derby and Brighton).  Wednesday and Blues are the current anomalies but I suspect both will drop off over the next 2-3 months and I don't see anyone else working their way into it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 07:42:20 PM
Quote from: amfy on February 20, 2016, 07:33:08 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on February 20, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
I'll post something similar in the other football thread but, I'm over here in that there London and I'm just in from watching Brentford v Derby.   If we hang on to the better players we have and add a couple of steady players in the right positions then, we'll be there or thereabouts.

I totally agree, that team under a stable management and owner would be there or thereabouts but it's all the other shite that's a worry. Teams tend not to do well when the everyone above the manager is disinterested, weak, or incompetant


Although weirdly, our neighbours are there or thereabouts with a complete shambles above them, not a pot to piss in,  and a reasonable manager.

Not sure money comes into it that much in the championship but aren't they being run by the Receivers Ernst & Young? Probably a blessed relief from Yeung or Lerner for that matter,
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 20, 2016, 07:42:49 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on February 20, 2016, 03:38:18 PM
Just because others have a different view point doesn't mean their not listening to reason.
When I see my manager standing like a book end for 90 minutes, without showing a glimpse of emotion when were getting battered, I may get a tad pissed off.

Yeah, sack Garde and bring in one of those wind-up monkey toys that does backflips. At least he would show some f*ckin' pashun.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 20, 2016, 07:48:24 PM
Yeah, let's bring Stuart Pearce in, he's really passionate, he means it maaaan.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AV89 on February 20, 2016, 07:50:56 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 19, 2016, 10:20:39 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 19, 2016, 10:11:25 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 19, 2016, 08:15:06 AM

but lets be honest can you give any good reasons why garde is going to be the man to get us out of the championship?

Based on the rebuilding of the side at Lyon, the type of side he built, what he has done here in very difficult circumstances and very few players to pick from and standing up to the Board and not letting them hide, I think he is just the type of manager we need.

Perhaps you could name somebody that has dealt with similar circumstances and being successful.

Nigel Pearson is always the popular name. He of one promotion from the Championship in his six attempts.

And that one with a budget that dwarfed most other clubs in that league.

Same as people (not on here to be fair) who raved about how brilliant a job Kenny Jackett did in getting Wolves out of League One.  Their budget must have been a thousand times bigger than the likes of Walsall, Peterborough and Brentford.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 20, 2016, 07:54:35 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 20, 2016, 07:42:49 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on February 20, 2016, 03:38:18 PM
Just because others have a different view point doesn't mean their not listening to reason.
When I see my manager standing like a book end for 90 minutes, without showing a glimpse of emotion when were getting battered, I may get a tad pissed off.

Yeah, sack Garde and bring in one of those wind-up monkey toys that does backflips. At least he would show some f*ckin' pashun.

It's perfect for a Keegan's comeback
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 07:57:29 PM
Garde doesn't inspire me, his style of football or his failure to convey his style to the players doesn't inspire me with confidence. I can take us playing crap but lack of effort is unacceptable. I don't want Pearson or Pearce but i'd feel better with someone with a bit of authority who you'd feel the players would worry about going back into a dressing room after a defeat like Liverpool. Garde comes across as likeable, intelligent and decent. I'm not sure that's what we need in the Championship
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on February 20, 2016, 08:00:19 PM
Who then?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 08:02:10 PM
My choice would be Howe.  Gettable, knows the division, has a good reputation as a coach and not taking shite from management/players
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on February 20, 2016, 08:03:54 PM
Don?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 08:09:52 PM
Really look at his record. It's impressive. He would come from Bournemouth i'm sure given the right assurances, and he'd have a bit of leverage with Lerner as he'd be the first manager for a long time who would be taking a step down to come to us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on February 20, 2016, 08:10:44 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 20, 2016, 08:03:54 PM
Don?

Geoffrey?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 20, 2016, 08:12:08 PM
Interesting in the interview of Lescot that he said Garde has flown off the handle a couple of times but his lack of the more industrial English has restrained him a bit.

I think the quiet and less emotional perception is just his public face.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 20, 2016, 08:19:35 PM
There's maybe a couple of dozen clubs in the world where leaving them for us would be a step down, and that includes if we're Division 2.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 20, 2016, 08:21:58 PM

Quote from: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 08:09:52 PM
Really look at his record. It's impressive. He would come from Bournemouth i'm sure given the right assurances, and he'd have a bit of leverage with Lerner as he'd be the first manager for a long time who would be taking a step down to come to us.

I'd be very surprised if he would. He did leave them, was rubbish at Burnley, went back to Bournemouth and has since said that he doesn't see himself leaving them again because of what happened last time.

(Edited bit of post that made no sense)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 20, 2016, 08:12:08 PM
Interesting in the interview of Lescot that he said Garde has flown off the handle a couple of times but his lack of the more industrial English has restrained him a bit.

I think the quiet and less emotional perception is just his public face.


well there's more to authority than ranting and raving at players otherwise people like Roy Keane wouldn't have been utter shite at managing.If Garde is doing it, then its not having much effect. I'm sure the likes of Tim and Lambert did it and then the players had a good laugh about it afterwards. We've all met people in life who we wouldn't like to see lose their rag and garde isn't one of 'em
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 20, 2016, 08:25:58 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 20, 2016, 08:12:08 PM
Interesting in the interview of Lescot that he said Garde has flown off the handle a couple of times but his lack of the more industrial English has restrained him a bit.

I think the quiet and less emotional perception is just his public face.


well there's more to authority than ranting and raving at players otherwise people like Roy Keane wouldn't have been utter shite at managing.If Garde is doing it, then its not having much effect. I'm sure the likes of Tim and Lambert did it and then the players had a good laugh about it afterwards. We've all met people in life who we wouldn't like to see lose their rag and garde isn't one of 'em

How do you know what he's like in a private capacity?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 20, 2016, 08:21:58 PM
Quote from: Dave on February 20, 2016, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 08:09:52 PM
Really look at his record. It's impressive. He would come from Bournemouth i'm sure given the right assurances, and he'd have a bit of leverage with Lerner as he'd be the first manager for a long time who would be taking a step down to come to us.

I'd be very surprised if he would. He did leave them, was rubbish at Burnley, went back to Bournemouth and has since said that he doesn't see himself leaving them again because of what happened last time.

(Edited bit of post that made no sense)


He's done all he can at Bournemouth, much like SGT at Watford.  What now? I think the chance to turn round this fallen giant would be too much to resist (and the payrise). As i said in an earlier post, we're no Burnley and his stock and experience has risen considerably since then
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 20, 2016, 08:27:28 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 20, 2016, 08:12:08 PM
Interesting in the interview of Lescot that he said Garde has flown off the handle a couple of times but his lack of the more industrial English has restrained him a bit.

I think the quiet and less emotional perception is just his public face.


well there's more to authority than ranting and raving at players otherwise people like Roy Keane wouldn't have been utter shite at managing.If Garde is doing it, then its not having much effect. I'm sure the likes of Tim and Lambert did it and then the players had a good laugh about it afterwards. We've all met people in life who we wouldn't like to see lose their rag and garde isn't one of 'em

You may be right in your assumptions about Garde, I don't necessarily agree but neither of us can be sure.
I just think trying to gauge the manager by reactions in these players is a mistake, as they are collectively unfit for purpose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 08:36:54 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 20, 2016, 08:25:58 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 20, 2016, 08:12:08 PM
Interesting in the interview of Lescot that he said Garde has flown off the handle a couple of times but his lack of the more industrial English has restrained him a bit.

I think the quiet and less emotional perception is just his public face.


well there's more to authority than ranting and raving at players otherwise people like Roy Keane wouldn't have been utter shite at managing.If Garde is doing it, then its not having much effect. I'm sure the likes of Tim and Lambert did it and then the players had a good laugh about it afterwards. We've all met people in life who we wouldn't like to see lose their rag and garde isn't one of 'em

How do you know what he's like in a private capacity?


How do you know Ferguson is? or Mourinho? Or Wenger. None of them look threatening physically but i'd rather have the likes of Keane and Pearson shouting at me than them three. you've either got that presence or you haven't. MON had it as well,despite being a pube-headed runt
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AV89 on February 20, 2016, 08:42:12 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 20, 2016, 08:12:08 PM
Interesting in the interview of Lescot that he said Garde has flown off the handle a couple of times but his lack of the more industrial English has restrained him a bit.

I think the quiet and less emotional perception is just his public face.


well there's more to authority than ranting and raving at players otherwise people like Roy Keane wouldn't have been utter shite at managing.If Garde is doing it, then its not having much effect. I'm sure the likes of Tim and Lambert did it and then the players had a good laugh about it afterwards. We've all met people in life who we wouldn't like to see lose their rag and garde isn't one of 'em

Joking aside, this appears to be one of many problems we have.  Too many players who don't playing for Aston Villa seriously enough.

Lerner doesn't bother with games, so in their minds they probably think its not big a deal, as the owner isn't there to see it and complain.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 20, 2016, 08:47:10 PM
Quote from: AV89 on February 20, 2016, 08:42:12 PM
Lerner doesn't bother with games, so in their minds they probably think its not big a deal, as the owner isn't there to see it and complain.

So why haven't the Spurs players just sacked off the last decade or so given that Joe Lewis doesn't go to any of their matches?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 08:53:33 PM
Quote from: AV89 on February 20, 2016, 08:42:12 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on February 20, 2016, 08:12:08 PM
Interesting in the interview of Lescot that he said Garde has flown off the handle a couple of times but his lack of the more industrial English has restrained him a bit.

I think the quiet and less emotional perception is just his public face.


well there's more to authority than ranting and raving at players otherwise people like Roy Keane wouldn't have been utter shite at managing.If Garde is doing it, then its not having much effect. I'm sure the likes of Tim and Lambert did it and then the players had a good laugh about it afterwards. We've all met people in life who we wouldn't like to see lose their rag and garde isn't one of 'em

Joking aside, this appears to be one of many problems we have.  Too many players who don't playing for Aston Villa seriously enough.

Lerner doesn't bother with games, so in their minds they probably think its not big a deal, as the owner isn't there to see it and complain.

It does seep down from the top no doubt but people forget that while the players can sit on their fat contracts or leave, there's still the problem of having to go to work where your manager makes your life miserable if your shite just like everyone else in the world. I'm pretty sure if N'zogbia was faced with 3 years of someone making his life a misery, he wouldn't be here now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 09:22:29 PM
My biggest worry is Mourinho will get the ManU job and we'll get Giggs. I could imagine Lerner wetting himself with excitement if that happened. He'd probably turn up for a game. Let's face it, Lerner is a closet Man U fan from his appointing TSM on Ferguson's word to the hilarious OGS pursuit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on February 20, 2016, 09:50:05 PM
I wouldn't worry about that, it's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 20, 2016, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 09:22:29 PM
My biggest worry is Mourinho will get the ManU job and we'll get Giggs. I could imagine Lerner wetting himself with excitement if that happened. He'd probably turn up for a game. Let's face it, Lerner is a closet Man U fan from his appointing TSM on Ferguson's word to the hilarious OGS pursuit.

Yes I'm shitting it too. Where the hell do you dream all this stuff up?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 10:14:31 PM
he's deffo a mancophile. Probably dreams of being one of the Glazers
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 20, 2016, 10:16:40 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 20, 2016, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 09:22:29 PM
My biggest worry is Mourinho will get the ManU job and we'll get Giggs. I could imagine Lerner wetting himself with excitement if that happened. He'd probably turn up for a game. Let's face it, Lerner is a closet Man U fan from his appointing TSM on Ferguson's word to the hilarious OGS pursuit.

Yes I'm shitting it too. Where the hell do you dream all this stuff up?

I bet there were plenty of Villa Fans who thought the same when it was suggested our illustrious owner would contemplate employing the man famed for playing excruciating football and had just relegated Small Heath a few short weeks earlier.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2016, 12:42:15 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 20, 2016, 10:16:40 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 20, 2016, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 20, 2016, 09:22:29 PM
My biggest worry is Mourinho will get the ManU job and we'll get Giggs. I could imagine Lerner wetting himself with excitement if that happened. He'd probably turn up for a game. Let's face it, Lerner is a closet Man U fan from his appointing TSM on Ferguson's word to the hilarious OGS pursuit.

Yes I'm shitting it too. Where the hell do you dream all this stuff up?

I bet there were plenty of Villa Fans who thought the same when it was suggested our illustrious owner would contemplate employing the man famed for playing excruciating football and had just relegated Small Heath a few short weeks earlier.
I have to admit, that I thought it was a massive wind up at the time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 21, 2016, 12:43:18 AM
so the solution to fix a problem that started by sticking with Lambert for far too long is to employ a guy with a similar record to Lambert?

Oh and for the record I can't think of a worse criteria for appointing a new manager for next season (which I really don't think we should do) than 'he knows the league'.  That's exactly the sort of cliched nonsense we need to get away from.


EDIT - Just to add to this I find it hilarious that you used that phrase and then a page later name dropped 3 successful managers who all had no prior experience of the league when they joined the clubs that they had that success with.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2016, 12:49:43 AM
The similarity to the Houlier reign when some of the senior players were acting like twats and there was obvious disharmony in the dressing room.
I think it was Mcalister that dealt with the discipline issues. I think this is another reason that we should keep Garde because he is the one person that knows where the problems are and who needs to be moved on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 21, 2016, 12:50:57 AM
Quote from: Hoppo on February 20, 2016, 03:38:18 PM
Just because others have a different view point doesn't mean their not listening to reason.
When I see my manager standing like a book end for 90 minutes, without showing a glimpse of emotion when were getting battered, I may get a tad pissed off.

Maybe listen to a reasonable argument would have been a better phrase.
Andy's Amfy's point about the general direction of our points tally going in the right direction, be that rolling 6 game totals, rolling 3 game average or whatever is correct.

It doesn't alter the fact that it's too little too late and last Sunday hurts like hell. But it's still a reasonable considered point of view that jars a little compared to everything to do with the club and the team is irredeemably shit and the whole thing should be burned to the ground before we start again.

No one's saying that there isn't a hell of a lot wrong, but we have to keep the most promising / least shit bits as a starting point. If there's one thing I'd say guaranteed a further relegation, it would be bringing in a new manager at the same time as turning over 10-15 players against the general backdrop of the club as it is.

I'd definitely put Garde in the most promising pile. That he's managed to get any level of performance out of that squad, and before Sunday started to get them looking like they gave at least half a fuck was miraculous compared to the last 3 or 4 games under Nice but Tim.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2016, 12:56:41 AM
Agree VID and one of the frustrating things when we bought Garde in was that he had to go through the process of playing players and combinations that had not worked previously.
He did eventually work it out and got improvement out of a limited squad.
There is no point in us going through that process again.
Give him backing to shape the squad and a full season. Anything else would be madness in my view.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 21, 2016, 01:49:22 AM
I think he needs to get us up to 30 ish points this season for him to be able to say he has done a reasonable job and deserve the chance to rebuilt it. At the moment that is a long way off. I think that Hollis will wield the axe this summer above Garde, and he will walk away. Hopefully there is then some sort of sensible footballing structure with decent people who know what they are doing put in place.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 21, 2016, 01:58:37 AM
I think the structure is probably OK. It appears that some of the individuals aren't.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 21, 2016, 08:03:54 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 21, 2016, 01:58:37 AM
I think the structure is probably OK. It appears that some of the individuals aren't.

I agree. Put the right people in the right places. Unfortunately, we have no one on the board to recognise the right people though and have relied on idiots for too long. Hence the need for a football brain on the board.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 21, 2016, 09:03:49 AM
I think he'll go this summer.  The one thing Lerner doesn't like is dissent, and Garde will have insulted his ridiculous pride.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on February 21, 2016, 09:07:06 AM
According to Elaine, Garde is a yes-man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 21, 2016, 09:09:45 AM
Lerner doesn't like his pride insulted? He's taken one of the great institutions of football and turned them in to a laughing stock. If he had any pride he'd drop the price to something realistic £50/60m and be gone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AV82EC on February 21, 2016, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Legion on February 21, 2016, 09:07:06 AM
According to Elaine, Garde is a yes-man.

She sounds like the Wise woman from Blackadder 2.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 21, 2016, 09:28:50 AM
Quote from: AV82EC on February 21, 2016, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Legion on February 21, 2016, 09:07:06 AM
According to Elaine, Garde is a yes-man.

She sounds like the Wise woman from Blackadder 2.

Elaine is fast becoming the font of all knowledge isn't she?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on February 21, 2016, 09:26:52 PM
The other issue with those who believe it's time to change manager again - is that they clearly must feel the people appointing the manager will get it right next time (assuming it isn't right now, wasn't right with Dim, wasn't right with Lambert, wasn't right with McLeish.......).

That's ok - they'll get it right next time ;)

Or more likely our free fall through the divisions will only match the delusion that Remi is responsible for the fact we are going to get relegated.

Cuckoo, cuckoo
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 22, 2016, 03:03:48 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on February 21, 2016, 09:26:52 PM
The other issue with those who believe it's time to change manager again - is that they clearly must feel the people appointing the manager will get it right next time (assuming it isn't right now, wasn't right with Dim, wasn't right with Lambert, wasn't right with McLeish.......).

That's ok - they'll get it right next time ;)

Or more likely our free fall through the divisions will only match the delusion that Remi is responsible for the fact we are going to get relegated.

Cuckoo, cuckoo
We've made a succession of shocking managerial appointments and there's no reason to suggest that the board have made a better choice this time round either. I'm not blaming Garde for our relegation ( actually, I don't think anybody is), we were doomed before he came, but equally I don't think he's done anything significant to improve us. And when is the best time to think about changing managers? when you're doing well?

Not sure what the cuckoo thing is at the end of your post either, unless you're Percy Edwards or something?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dr Butler on February 22, 2016, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on February 21, 2016, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Legion on February 21, 2016, 09:07:06 AM
According to Elaine, Garde is a yes-man.

She sounds like the Wise woman from Blackadder 2.

there are two things you need to know about the wise woman...

1. she is a woman...


:)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on February 22, 2016, 03:12:07 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on February 22, 2016, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on February 21, 2016, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Legion on February 21, 2016, 09:07:06 AM
According to Elaine, Garde is a yes-man.

She sounds like the Wise woman from Blackadder 2.

there are two things you need to know about the wise woman...

1. she is a woman...


:)

UTV
The Doc

And the second thing is...?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dr Butler on February 22, 2016, 03:13:31 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 22, 2016, 03:12:07 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on February 22, 2016, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on February 21, 2016, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Legion on February 21, 2016, 09:07:06 AM
According to Elaine, Garde is a yes-man.

She sounds like the Wise woman from Blackadder 2.

there are two things you need to know about the wise woman...

1. she is a woman...


:)

UTV
The Doc

And the second thing is...?

2. she is wise :)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SashasGrandad on February 22, 2016, 03:26:12 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on February 22, 2016, 03:13:31 PM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 22, 2016, 03:12:07 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on February 22, 2016, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on February 21, 2016, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: Legion on February 21, 2016, 09:07:06 AM
According to Elaine, Garde is a yes-man.

She sounds like the Wise woman from Blackadder 2.

there are two things you need to know about the wise woman...

1. she is a woman...


:)

UTV
The Doc

And the second thing is...?

2. she is wise :)

UTV
The Doc

If you are really lucky she will also have a nice pair of t........................
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 22, 2016, 05:19:24 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 21, 2016, 09:07:06 AM
According to Elaine, Garde is a yes-man.
She is right, every time she said "Would you like a nice cup of tea?"
He said "Yes"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 23, 2016, 10:28:14 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 22, 2016, 05:19:24 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 21, 2016, 09:07:06 AM
According to Elaine, Garde is a yes-man.
She is right, every time she said "Would you like a nice cup of tea?"
He said "Yes"

Why don't they get Pauline McLynn aka Mrs Doyle ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on February 23, 2016, 12:08:32 PM
I bet that recommendation letter is encased in a spunk crust.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 23, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2016, 12:49:43 AM
The similarity to the Houlier reign when some of the senior players were acting like twats and there was obvious disharmony in the dressing room.

I think the comparison can be extended to the guy that he replaced too.  Whilst MON may not have been the 'banter king' that Sherwood thought he was, I suspect that MON allowed for a pretty relaxed atmosphere and training that lacked intensity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 23, 2016, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 23, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2016, 12:49:43 AM
The similarity to the Houlier reign when some of the senior players were acting like twats and there was obvious disharmony in the dressing room.

I think the comparison can be extended to the guy that he replaced too.  Whilst MON may not have been the 'banter king' that Sherwood thought he was, I suspect that MON allowed for a pretty relaxed atmosphere and training that lacked intensity.

Yes, and this is why the players liked him. Fact. itk from a former Wycombe player of his, friend of mine. Give the players plenty of time off, reward them, but then scream and shout at them to motivate them when they need to earn the reward, that's the way MON worked apparently.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 23, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
According to that Villa blogger in the Observer Garde is a "oui" man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 23, 2016, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 23, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2016, 12:49:43 AM
The similarity to the Houlier reign when some of the senior players were acting like twats and there was obvious disharmony in the dressing room.

I think the comparison can be extended to the guy that he replaced too.  Whilst MON may not have been the 'banter king' that Sherwood thought he was, I suspect that MON allowed for a pretty relaxed atmosphere and training that lacked intensity.

Wasn't O'Neill's philosophy something like "when the team is winning, the players are in charge.  When the team us losing, I'm in charge."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on February 24, 2016, 12:17:56 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 23, 2016, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 23, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2016, 12:49:43 AM
The similarity to the Houlier reign when some of the senior players were acting like twats and there was obvious disharmony in the dressing room.

I think the comparison can be extended to the guy that he replaced too.  Whilst MON may not have been the 'banter king' that Sherwood thought he was, I suspect that MON allowed for a pretty relaxed atmosphere and training that lacked intensity.

Wasn't O'Neill's philosophy something like "when the team is winning, the players are in charge.  When the team us losing, I'm in charge."

While handsomely rewarding average British players with little resale value with crazy contracts. His limited philosophy saw us become a competitive outfit again but there wasn't much sustainable about it.

He left Glasgow Celtic, Leceister and Sunderland in similar situations. Signed Fletcher and Johnson for about 25m combined not too long ago don't forget.

However our appalling efforts to get back on track are not down to MON but the responsibility of Randy Lerner and his cheerleading sycophants.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2016, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 23, 2016, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 23, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2016, 12:49:43 AM
The similarity to the Houlier reign when some of the senior players were acting like twats and there was obvious disharmony in the dressing room.

I think the comparison can be extended to the guy that he replaced too.  Whilst MON may not have been the 'banter king' that Sherwood thought he was, I suspect that MON allowed for a pretty relaxed atmosphere and training that lacked intensity.

Wasn't O'Neill's philosophy something like "when the team is winning, the players are in charge.  When the team us losing, I'm in charge."

Or something like "Unless it's Wednesday, I'm not here, so Bibs and Cones are in charge"*




* Bibs and Cones being what the players referred to John Robertson and Steve Walford as behind their backs
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 24, 2016, 04:13:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2016, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 23, 2016, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 23, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2016, 12:49:43 AM
The similarity to the Houlier reign when some of the senior players were acting like twats and there was obvious disharmony in the dressing room.

I think the comparison can be extended to the guy that he replaced too.  Whilst MON may not have been the 'banter king' that Sherwood thought he was, I suspect that MON allowed for a pretty relaxed atmosphere and training that lacked intensity.

Wasn't O'Neill's philosophy something like "when the team is winning, the players are in charge.  When the team us losing, I'm in charge."

Or something like "Unless it's Wednesday, I'm not here, so Bibs and Cones are in charge"*




* Bibs and Cones being what the players referred to John Robertson and Steve Walford as behind their backs

I watched "I Believe in Miracles" on BT Sport the other day and in many of the interviews (some with MON himself) on there ex-players referred to how little they trained under Brian Clough.  I remember reading Roy Keane once saying that if he had played well for Forest on a Saturday Clough would tell him to get himself back home to Ireland and he would see him the following Thursday or Friday.  If rumours are to be believed, then you can see where MON got it from.     
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on February 24, 2016, 04:27:32 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 24, 2016, 04:13:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2016, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 23, 2016, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 23, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2016, 12:49:43 AM
The similarity to the Houlier reign when some of the senior players were acting like twats and there was obvious disharmony in the dressing room.

I think the comparison can be extended to the guy that he replaced too.  Whilst MON may not have been the 'banter king' that Sherwood thought he was, I suspect that MON allowed for a pretty relaxed atmosphere and training that lacked intensity.

Wasn't O'Neill's philosophy something like "when the team is winning, the players are in charge.  When the team us losing, I'm in charge."

Or something like "Unless it's Wednesday, I'm not here, so Bibs and Cones are in charge"*




* Bibs and Cones being what the players referred to John Robertson and Steve Walford as behind their backs

I watched "I Believe in Miracles" on BT Sport the other day and in many of the interviews (some with MON himself) on there referred to how little they trained under Brian Clough.  I remember reading Roy Keane once saying that if he had played well for Forest on a Saturday Clough would tell him to get himself back home to Ireland and he would see him the following Thursday or Friday.  If rumours are to be believed, then you can see where MON got it from.     

That's a cracking documentary. I've got it on DVD.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 24, 2016, 04:33:21 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on February 24, 2016, 12:17:56 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 23, 2016, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 23, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2016, 12:49:43 AM
The similarity to the Houlier reign when some of the senior players were acting like twats and there was obvious disharmony in the dressing room.

I think the comparison can be extended to the guy that he replaced too.  Whilst MON may not have been the 'banter king' that Sherwood thought he was, I suspect that MON allowed for a pretty relaxed atmosphere and training that lacked intensity.

Wasn't O'Neill's philosophy something like "when the team is winning, the players are in charge.  When the team us losing, I'm in charge."

While handsomely rewarding average British players with little resale value with crazy contracts. His limited philosophy saw us become a competitive outfit again but there wasn't much sustainable about it.

He left Glasgow Celtic, Leceister and Sunderland in similar situations. Signed Fletcher and Johnson for about 25m combined not too long ago don't forget.

However our appalling efforts to get back on track are not down to MON but the responsibility of Randy Lerner and his cheerleading sycophants.

Agree.  MON's departure sent us into a tailspin, but it should have been recoverable from there.  As it is, Lerner and co. are responsible for that tailspin turning into a massive crash.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 24, 2016, 04:54:15 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 24, 2016, 04:13:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2016, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on February 23, 2016, 11:56:04 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 23, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2016, 12:49:43 AM
The similarity to the Houlier reign when some of the senior players were acting like twats and there was obvious disharmony in the dressing room.

I think the comparison can be extended to the guy that he replaced too.  Whilst MON may not have been the 'banter king' that Sherwood thought he was, I suspect that MON allowed for a pretty relaxed atmosphere and training that lacked intensity.

Wasn't O'Neill's philosophy something like "when the team is winning, the players are in charge.  When the team us losing, I'm in charge."

Or something like "Unless it's Wednesday, I'm not here, so Bibs and Cones are in charge"*




* Bibs and Cones being what the players referred to John Robertson and Steve Walford as behind their backs

I watched "I Believe in Miracles" on BT Sport the other day and in many of the interviews (some with MON himself) on there ex-players referred to how little they trained under Brian Clough.  I remember reading Roy Keane once saying that if he had played well for Forest on a Saturday Clough would tell him to get himself back home to Ireland and he would see him the following Thursday or Friday.  If rumours are to be believed, then you can see where MON got it from.     

I can fully believe that and in the 80s it was ok because despite football being 'professional' it wasn't very much so.  The fitness levels of players now completely eclipse those of players from even the turn of the millenium, go back to the 80s and it wasn't all that odd to see someone like Mick Quinn playing at the highest level and looking like he'd taken a break from a 3-4 day bender to make the game.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on February 24, 2016, 05:20:59 PM
And he still scored a hat-trick(?) against us, the fat funt.

Didn't realise we had a bid turned down from him by Newcastle when Coventry signed him. The same week Yanited bought Cantona from Leeds...sounds like that might have been our Heskey to us/Arshavin to Arsenal moment seventeen years prior...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 24, 2016, 06:36:50 PM
Under O Neill we didn't suffer too much from injuries. We were also a fit side. Now of course we died on our ass in March, because he only used 14-15 players with any regularity, over the course of a season (watch Leicester in March-April) but still, up until the burnout (which even to the fittest bunch of players you could have, would be inevitable the way O Neill ran them), we lasted the distance in games and played at a high tempo.
Since O Neill left we've been cluster-fucked by injuries. We've been hampered with dire fitness in which, throughout the entire seasons, we've been outfought and outrun and outlasted by the vast majority of our opponents. We've spent 5 years playing like the wheezy kid at school who has to take a 10 minute break half way round an 400 metre lap run.

Our fitness levels still aren't good enough. Our injury record is a joke. I've no idea what our fitness team or medical team are doing. Whatever it is, it's not nearly warranting what they're getting paid.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 24, 2016, 06:45:11 PM
Were we a fit side though? I'm sure I recall Terry saying in the press you just try to keep it tight for 70 mins against us and then we run out of steam? Before the cup semi I think? Which as much as he's a knob he was spot on that match about us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 24, 2016, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 24, 2016, 06:36:50 PM
Under O Neill we didn't suffer too much from injuries. We were also a fit side. Now of course we died on our ass in March, because he only used 14-15 players with any regularity, over the course of a season (watch Leicester in March-April) but still, up until the burnout (which even to the fittest bunch of players you could have, would be inevitable the way O Neill ran them), we lasted the distance in games and played at a high tempo.
Since O Neill left we've been cluster-fucked by injuries. We've been hampered with dire fitness in which, throughout the entire seasons, we've been outfought and outrun and outlasted by the vast majority of our opponents. We've spent 5 years playing like the wheezy kid at school who has to take a 10 minute break half way round an 400 metre lap run.

Our fitness levels still aren't good enough. Our injury record is a joke. I've no idea what our fitness team or medical team are doing. Whatever it is, it's not nearly warranting what they're getting paid.

I completely disagree.  We had some fit players (Milner and Young were the main ones but Gabby at that point would run all day as well) but as a squad I don't think we were at all.  We played a sit deep and counter style which is good if you have 2-3 attacking players like that and it masks how unfit the squad is.  John Terry made the state of squad quite clear by outright stating that their plan was to get to an hour safely and then watch us hit a wall.  That happened a fair few times under mon and not always in March.

The injuries under Houllier were a result of making those players train properly after a particularly poor summer (a lot of our team looked out of shape in the first few games of that season).  Since then you've had a combination of disrupted summers, poor coaching and a hell of a lot of bad luck (in terms of injuries whilst away with national teams, etc) and a higher than normal run of serious injuries which have meant 2-3 being out for the entire season every year, Kozak missing nearly 2 years is an example of just how hard that hit us, and losing Amavi when we did this year was a massive blow.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 24, 2016, 07:03:35 PM
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Q & A with Remi Garde today.

At the outset let me say he was an absolute gent and it was an open session with no vetting of questions beforehand.

Not verbatim but in summary.

Q.. I would not expect you to give up while we still have 36 points to fight for and I am sure you wont. However, because there was no activity during the transfer window many fans now feel that was a sign the Club has given up. Did we not bring anybody in because you were unable to find/persuade the players you wanted or was it because the Club wouldn't give you the backing you wanted ?

A.. Yes, there were players I wanted and tried to get but could not persuade because of the position we are in so they chose elsewhere.
      Yes, I would have wanted more but maybe the Club decided they want to provide what is available at a different time.

He also talked about being told after he arrived here that the average lifespan of a Premier manager is now about 14 months, an average which would be even lower if it was not for Arsene Wenger.
He was not directly asked if he would be here next season. However, he was asked how his team/player plans would be different if as likely we were outside the Premier next season. Unsurprisingly, he said he is focussed entirely on survival this campaign and would be until he saw league table that said we were mathematically down.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 24, 2016, 07:10:26 PM
Will try the same topic from the other side when I meet with Fox again next week.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 24, 2016, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 24, 2016, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 24, 2016, 06:36:50 PM
Under O Neill we didn't suffer too much from injuries. We were also a fit side. Now of course we died on our ass in March, because he only used 14-15 players with any regularity, over the course of a season (watch Leicester in March-April) but still, up until the burnout (which even to the fittest bunch of players you could have, would be inevitable the way O Neill ran them), we lasted the distance in games and played at a high tempo.
Since O Neill left we've been cluster-fucked by injuries. We've been hampered with dire fitness in which, throughout the entire seasons, we've been outfought and outrun and outlasted by the vast majority of our opponents. We've spent 5 years playing like the wheezy kid at school who has to take a 10 minute break half way round an 400 metre lap run.

Our fitness levels still aren't good enough. Our injury record is a joke. I've no idea what our fitness team or medical team are doing. Whatever it is, it's not nearly warranting what they're getting paid.

I completely disagree.  We had some fit players (Milner and Young were the main ones but Gabby at that point would run all day as well) but as a squad I don't think we were at all.  We played a sit deep and counter style which is good if you have 2-3 attacking players like that and it masks how unfit the squad is.  John Terry made the state of squad quite clear by outright stating that their plan was to get to an hour safely and then watch us hit a wall.  That happened a fair few times under mon and not always in March.

The injuries under Houllier were a result of making those players train properly after a particularly poor summer (a lot of our team looked out of shape in the first few games of that season).  Since then you've had a combination of disrupted summers, poor coaching and a hell of a lot of bad luck (in terms of injuries whilst away with national teams, etc) and a higher than normal run of serious injuries which have meant 2-3 being out for the entire season every year, Kozak missing nearly 2 years is an example of just how hard that hit us, and losing Amavi when we did this year was a massive blow.
I would never take too much notice of what Terry said.

I do agree that we bought fit players though. Young, Gabby (before he became pregnant with quadruplets), Milner, Coker could all run all day.
If you put O Neill's side up against any of our sides since, his side would last the distance better, and probably play the highest tempo.
Of course we couldn't particularly last because O Neills style and inability to rotate (or make timely substitutions) even managed to tire out someone like Milner who makes superman look like a 30 stone geriatric on a treadmill.

I'm not claiming the man was a genius by any stretch, or even that he had it right. But we've got it monumentally wrong year on year since. Houlliers double sessions were overkill. I don't think Garde (and we've got the same fitness coach back from Gerrards reign now) has done them any favours.
It's not merely fitness though of course. We've also bought far too many players with a track record of injuries over the last few years. We've been asking for it. Buying players like Richardson, Senderos, Vlaar etc was a joke.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 24, 2016, 10:37:54 PM
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The similarity to the Houlier reign when some of the senior players were acting like twats and there was obvious disharmony in the dressing room.

I think the comparison can be extended to the guy that he replaced too.  Whilst MON may not have been the 'banter king' that Sherwood thought he was, I suspect that MON allowed for a pretty relaxed atmosphere and training that lacked intensity.

Wasn't O'Neill's philosophy something like "when the team is winning, the players are in charge.  When the team us losing, I'm in charge."

Or something like "Unless it's Wednesday, I'm not here, so Bibs and Cones are in charge"*




* Bibs and Cones being what the players referred to John Robertson and Steve Walford as behind their backs

I watched "I Believe in Miracles" on BT Sport the other day and in many of the interviews (some with MON himself) on there ex-players referred to how little they trained under Brian Clough.  I remember reading Roy Keane once saying that if he had played well for Forest on a Saturday Clough would tell him to get himself back home to Ireland and he would see him the following Thursday or Friday.  If rumours are to be believed, then you can see where MON got it from.     

I can fully believe that and in the 80s it was ok because despite football being 'professional' it wasn't very much so.  The fitness levels of players now completely eclipse those of players from even the turn of the millenium, go back to the 80s and it wasn't all that odd to see someone like Mick Quinn playing at the highest level and looking like he'd taken a break from a 3-4 day bender to make the game.

I read a really good book about Clough in which the author said that along with his alcoholism, his failure to adapt to the modern game was his undoing.  He said that it got to the point where coaches were having to slip pieces of paper to players in the dressing room on match days informing them of basic things like the formation of the opposition.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 24, 2016, 10:54:58 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 24, 2016, 07:03:35 PM
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b518/Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air/030_zpso4pcwhjl.jpg)

Q & A with Remi Garde today.

At the outset let me say he was an absolute gent and it was an open session with no vetting of questions beforehand.

Not verbatim but in summary.

Q.. I would not expect you to give up while we still have 36 points to fight for and I am sure you wont. However, because there was no activity during the transfer window many fans now feel that was a sign the Club has given up. Did we not bring anybody in because you were unable to find/persuade the players you wanted or was it because the Club wouldn't give you the backing you wanted ?

A.. Yes, there were players I wanted and tried to get but could not persuade because of the position we are in so they chose elsewhere.
      Yes, I would have wanted more but maybe the Club decided they want to provide what is available at a different time.

He also talked about being told after he arrived here that the average lifespan of a Premier manager is now about 14 months, an average which would be even lower if it was not for Arsene Wenger.
He was not directly asked if he would be here next season. However, he was asked how his team/player plans would be different if as likely we were outside the Premier next season. Unsurprisingly, he said he is focussed entirely on survival this campaign and would be until he saw league table that said we were mathematically down.

Well there you go. Thanks Lerner, Fox & Hollis. You not only gave up on our survival but you have also (probably) got our manager to walk at the end of the season in one fell stroke.

January 2016 is right up there with hiring McLeish in the "WHATTTT???" category of Villa history.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 25, 2016, 12:34:18 AM
Quote from: paul_e on February 24, 2016, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 24, 2016, 06:36:50 PM
Under O Neill we didn't suffer too much from injuries. We were also a fit side. Now of course we died on our ass in March, because he only used 14-15 players with any regularity, over the course of a season (watch Leicester in March-April) but still, up until the burnout (which even to the fittest bunch of players you could have, would be inevitable the way O Neill ran them), we lasted the distance in games and played at a high tempo.
Since O Neill left we've been cluster-fucked by injuries. We've been hampered with dire fitness in which, throughout the entire seasons, we've been outfought and outrun and outlasted by the vast majority of our opponents. We've spent 5 years playing like the wheezy kid at school who has to take a 10 minute break half way round an 400 metre lap run.

Our fitness levels still aren't good enough. Our injury record is a joke. I've no idea what our fitness team or medical team are doing. Whatever it is, it's not nearly warranting what they're getting paid.

I completely disagree.  We had some fit players (Milner and Young were the main ones but Gabby at that point would run all day as well) but as a squad I don't think we were at all.  We played a sit deep and counter style which is good if you have 2-3 attacking players like that and it masks how unfit the squad is.  John Terry made the state of squad quite clear by outright stating that their plan was to get to an hour safely and then watch us hit a wall.  That happened a fair few times under mon and not always in March.

Did Terry say this after Gabby scored his last minute goal against Chelsea in September 2007 or after our injury time penalty equaliser on Boxing Day a few months later?

I can think of plenty of late goals under MON ( I haven't even whispered the Goodison goal in case Legion is still awake, though strangely my own favourite was Zat Knight's v Arsenal) but very few since. Terry was just being a twat, which is fair enough as you should always stick to your strengths.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 25, 2016, 09:18:13 AM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on February 25, 2016, 12:34:18 AM
Quote from: paul_e on February 24, 2016, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 24, 2016, 06:36:50 PM
Under O Neill we didn't suffer too much from injuries. We were also a fit side. Now of course we died on our ass in March, because he only used 14-15 players with any regularity, over the course of a season (watch Leicester in March-April) but still, up until the burnout (which even to the fittest bunch of players you could have, would be inevitable the way O Neill ran them), we lasted the distance in games and played at a high tempo.
Since O Neill left we've been cluster-fucked by injuries. We've been hampered with dire fitness in which, throughout the entire seasons, we've been outfought and outrun and outlasted by the vast majority of our opponents. We've spent 5 years playing like the wheezy kid at school who has to take a 10 minute break half way round an 400 metre lap run.

Our fitness levels still aren't good enough. Our injury record is a joke. I've no idea what our fitness team or medical team are doing. Whatever it is, it's not nearly warranting what they're getting paid.

I completely disagree.  We had some fit players (Milner and Young were the main ones but Gabby at that point would run all day as well) but as a squad I don't think we were at all.  We played a sit deep and counter style which is good if you have 2-3 attacking players like that and it masks how unfit the squad is.  John Terry made the state of squad quite clear by outright stating that their plan was to get to an hour safely and then watch us hit a wall.  That happened a fair few times under mon and not always in March.

Did Terry say this after Gabby scored his last minute goal against Chelsea in September 2007 or after our injury time penalty equaliser on Boxing Day a few months later?

I can think of plenty of late goals under MON ( I haven't even whispered the Goodison goal in case Legion is still awake, though strangely my own favourite was Zat Knight's v Arsenal) but very few since. Terry was just being a twat, which is fair enough as you should always stick to your strengths.

Terry was being a twat, he can't help it, but him being a twat and a couple of examples of late goals doesn't stop it from being true that they we often looked shit for the last 15-20 minutes under mon, if we were in the lead you just knew we'd withdraw deeper and deeper and part of that is a lack of fitness.  If we were chasing the game the examples where we did very little to push for a win are far more common than the examples of us pulling it off, the thing is you remember an injury time winner much better than you remember a game that went flat and we we lost/drew with a whimper.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on February 25, 2016, 09:22:44 AM
we have had a habit of conceding late goals for quite a long time now, since before the MON era too if my memory serves me right
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: RussellC on February 25, 2016, 09:47:24 AM
I always thought that it was MON's reluctance to rotate his players or even use substitutes willingly, rather than a lack of fitness, that was to blame. Even with players like NRC, Sidwell and Gardner on the bench MON used to let Milner run himself into the ground game-in, game-out, for 90 minutes. And was then surprised when he ran out of steam in March.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 25, 2016, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: RussellC on February 25, 2016, 09:47:24 AM
I always thought that it was MON's reluctance to rotate his players or even use substitutes willingly, rather than a lack of fitness, that was to blame. Even with players like NRC, Sidwell and Gardner on the bench MON used to let Milner run himself into the ground game-in, game-out, for 90 minutes. And was then surprised when he ran out of steam in March.

Nowadays we're second to everything across the pitch in the vast majority of games from the first to the last minute. You could probably count the amount of games we've really played with a rocket up our jacksies on one hand in the last couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: RussellC on February 25, 2016, 10:22:33 AM
Quote from: supertom on February 25, 2016, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: RussellC on February 25, 2016, 09:47:24 AM
I always thought that it was MON's reluctance to rotate his players or even use substitutes willingly, rather than a lack of fitness, that was to blame. Even with players like NRC, Sidwell and Gardner on the bench MON used to let Milner run himself into the ground game-in, game-out, for 90 minutes. And was then surprised when he ran out of steam in March.

Nowadays we're second to everything across the pitch in the vast majority of games from the first to the last minute. You could probably count the amount of games we've really played with a rocket up our jacksies on one hand in the last couple of seasons.

True. Last season, when Sherwood came in, I though it was the renewed energy of Delph and Cleverley that played a large part in us staying up. Then Wilkins came in and decided that our midfielder "do too much running during games"?!?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: A Northern Soul on February 25, 2016, 11:20:04 AM
He seems to have been very damning of the players (lack of) commitment in training this morning, and confirms he will stay to the end of the season. Hmmm.....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 25, 2016, 12:10:43 PM
https://audioboom.com/boos/4227395-i-have-to-fight-everyday-to-find-the-right-words-to-make-them-committed?utm_campaign=detailpage&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

He has an impossible task.
His final comment is damning.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 25, 2016, 12:16:52 PM
I hope the players who aren't committed get named and shamed one day.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Axl Rose on February 25, 2016, 12:20:35 PM
I think we can all guess who these players are.
I'd bet my house Gabby, Richards, Guzan, Bacuna are involved as the absolute oxygen stealing ******. And I fucking hate them for it. Disgraceful people.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on February 25, 2016, 12:35:33 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on February 25, 2016, 12:16:52 PM
I hope the players who aren't committed get named and shamed one day.
Or at least don't pick them forSaturday ,stick the under 21's in instead. You can't moan about lack of commitment and then pick the players expecting a different result.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 25, 2016, 12:46:10 PM
Drop those we aren't showing commitment and then we can make our own minds up about them. He doesn't have to publically name and shame them, just drop them and we will know. I think it's pretty obvious on the pitch who a few of them are anyway. What an unprofessional, awful rabble we've clubbed together.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 25, 2016, 12:56:14 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on February 25, 2016, 12:35:33 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on February 25, 2016, 12:16:52 PM
I hope the players who aren't committed get named and shamed one day.
Or at least don't pick them forSaturday ,stick the under 21's in instead. You can't moan about lack of commitment and then pick the players expecting a different result.
Bang on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on February 25, 2016, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 25, 2016, 12:46:10 PM
Drop those we aren't showing commitment and then we can make our own minds up about them. He doesn't have to publically name and shame them, just drop them and we will know. I think it's pretty obvious on the pitch who a few of them are anyway. What an unprofessional, awful rabble we've clubbed together.

Unprofessional, awful rabble pretty much nails it.
I agree. Drop them and play the reserves, U21's in fact anyone who at least puts effort in. As he says in that interview effort is the starting minimum for a professional footballer before confidence and although he doesn't say it (even ability).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 25, 2016, 01:04:32 PM
I think part of him thinks he is protecting the kids and this lot deserve the humiliation of being beaten every week.

Gabby and Richards would be my best guess as ring leaders. I hope someone like Grealish is not in that group he refers to though.

Never seen a squad need such a huge broom before next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 25, 2016, 01:05:42 PM
I just watched his AVTV pre match interview.
You can't help liking the bloke and really feeling sorry for him and the absolute bag of shit that he has inherited.
Every one of these pre match interviews have been about him fighting fires or dealing with certain players, but this one seemed a bit deeper.
He is suggesting, without naming names, that there are real problems with certain players and their attitude and commitment....not that we didn't already know that.
He talked about about the first team v U21 training game, and again said how certain players did not show him what he wanted to see.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 25, 2016, 01:09:18 PM
The comment about there being some players he'd like to swap for other ones but couldn't was a rather stylish kick in the bollocks to both the miscreants in the squad and the board I thought.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 25, 2016, 01:09:46 PM
I am more convinced we need to keep him, if not then those twats will have the chance to pull the wool over another managers eyes.
I don't think I have ever liked a Villa team less than this one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 25, 2016, 01:11:58 PM
Well...that's as damning as I've heard in a long time from any Villa manager about his own players. He even goes as far as saying he's picking certainly players that he wouldn't otherwise select (given their attitude and application) because he's got no other options. I think it's pretty damn obvious that Gabby is one of those players. He's only come back in for lack of other options.

I think most of us would probably be totally on board and understanding if Remi binned a bunch of the senior players and bought in a few kids. I mean we lose most of our games as it is, we've long given up hope in getting consistent, positive results. I would happily see us bring in a few youngsters who show the desire to play and grab their chance. The select few seniors who actually show the desired will, can stay in the side.

I do feel for Remi too but at the same time, he can't really be coming out with this stuff to the press. It just makes us look even more like a joke. I cannot see anything other than a new manager in the summer (if not sooner). I think Remi will walk. If he lasts till the summer out of professional courtesy then he deserves credit. If he goes next week, no one could blame the poor bugger. I don't think there are too many tougher jobs out there at the moment than the one he was given. He's not being backed. He's obviously let down by Randy etc. There's going to be no salvaging this relationship. When something looks this fucked, a separation is the only way. He'll go onto another club and probably do very well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 25, 2016, 01:15:02 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 25, 2016, 01:09:46 PM
I am more convinced we need to keep him, if not then those twats will have the chance to pull the wool over another managers eyes.
I don't think I have ever liked a Villa team less than this one.
I'd like to keep him, I just think the breakdown between him and the board is beyond salvage. In an ideal world we'll get bought out at the end of the season and a new owner would give Remi a chance. But that won't happen. You'd have better luck selling ice to Eskimos than selling this club right now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 25, 2016, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 25, 2016, 01:15:02 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 25, 2016, 01:09:46 PM
I am more convinced we need to keep him, if not then those twats will have the chance to pull the wool over another managers eyes.
I don't think I have ever liked a Villa team less than this one.
I'd like to keep him, I just think the breakdown between him and the board is beyond salvage. In an ideal world we'll get bought out at the end of the season and a new owner would give Remi a chance. But that won't happen. You'd have better luck selling ice to Eskimos than selling this club right now.

Well on that basis we'll only to wait another couple of years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rotterdam 82 on February 25, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2016, 12:10:43 PM
https://audioboom.com/boos/4227395-i-have-to-fight-everyday-to-find-the-right-words-to-make-them-committed?utm_campaign=detailpage&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

He has an impossible task.
His final comment is damning.

The last minute or so of that interview sums up everything that is wrong with the rabble of a squad that we now have. How were we ever allowed to get to this position? >:(
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 25, 2016, 01:19:33 PM
Agreed. Unless Hollis gets rid of Fox et al, and gives Remi free reign to sort the squad, get it straight and have a go next season.

Who we get if he goes is going to be fun. I would like Warbutton from Rangers, but think it would be a tough one to sell to him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: German James on February 25, 2016, 01:22:15 PM
I don't think he'll drop any so-called senior players, until we're mathematically doomed. I would love to see him do so, but I think it would look to much like admitting defeat, if he did it now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 25, 2016, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 25, 2016, 01:15:02 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 25, 2016, 01:09:46 PM
I am more convinced we need to keep him, if not then those twats will have the chance to pull the wool over another managers eyes.
I don't think I have ever liked a Villa team less than this one.
I'd like to keep him, I just think the breakdown between him and the board is beyond salvage. In an ideal world we'll get bought out at the end of the season and a new owner would give Remi a chance. But that won't happen. You'd have better luck selling ice to Eskimos than selling this club right now.
Sadly very true. The fear is then the appointment these idiots are likely to make.
We keep being told that the we will,easily bounce back. I have no idea why any one could think that considering the awful mess we are in. You know that he would only stay if he was given the absoloutely authority to do the job. If he leaves then we all know that they are trying to avoid taking the drasti action that is needed and our misery willl continue.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lsvilla on February 25, 2016, 01:33:33 PM
Wow - that's pretty powerful from Garde - what a toxic bunch of w@"£ers we appear to have assembled. I'd love him to be given the mandate to sort it out over the summer but can't help feel he will be off and do a great job for someone else. Worst fear has to be that he ends up at the Bitters to replace Pulis.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 25, 2016, 01:35:54 PM
I reckon he will end up somewhere back in France, possibly even back at Lyon if he leaves us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 25, 2016, 01:46:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 25, 2016, 01:04:32 PM
Never seen a squad need such a huge broom before next season.

I agree.  It's not about the quality of the players, we need to reduce the squad size so that the attitude of what is left is correct.  Build from that foundation, otherwise there will always be a ceiling to what we can achieve, eg star players may come along (be sold) and the rotten core/culture will remain.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 25, 2016, 01:48:08 PM
It's not easy listening that interview, however - my search for a silver lining - he appears to have identified a specific problem and even individuals who are responsible, whereas there was a stage under Sherwood where he seemed completely baffled that his strategy was not working.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 25, 2016, 01:48:58 PM
I am not a fan of "chuck the youngsters [under a bus", however, I would welcome seeing him put in place XI players, whomever they may be, who have shown the right desire and commitment regardless of their quality at Stoke.

If that means five or six youngsters from the development squad, then so be it. Its not going to be any worse than Liverpool, as even being whacked 10-0 but trying would be better than the most appalling of surrenders we saw the other week.

It would send a message and I would like the opportunity to clap XI players off the pitch, regardless of score line, to thank them for their efforts across 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on February 25, 2016, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: Axl Rose on February 25, 2016, 12:20:35 PM
I think we can all guess who these players are.
I'd bet my house Gabby, Richards, Guzan, Bacuna are involved as the absolute oxygen stealing c***s. And I fucking hate them for it. Disgraceful people.

Bacuna

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-leandro-bacuna-hauled-10949598
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on February 25, 2016, 02:25:50 PM
So after listening to Remi's interview where he is saying that certain first team players aren't putting in the effort and commitment this makes interesting watching http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35658357 Daniel Sturridge: 'Biggest disrespect' to question Liverpool commitment. Looking at the Sturridge interview where he looks clearly upset does this mean Remi has lost certain players in the dressing room?
Will have lost them permanently following todays comments?
They think that without any backing in Jan (and Remi's comments regarding the future) that he is a dead man walking and therefore they'll out last him anyway? Would dropping certain players and playing the kids make it worse?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 25, 2016, 02:33:33 PM
I firmly believe that, if Garde was to commit his future to us for next season, fans would support him in dropping those he's referring to and playing whoever shows the desire and passion that we, the manager and the club deserves.  The useless bastards aren't good enough to take the piss out of the club as they are doing right now. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 25, 2016, 02:35:21 PM
Quote from: Diablo on February 25, 2016, 02:25:50 PM
So after listening to Remi's interview where he is saying that certain first team players aren't putting in the effort and commitment this makes interesting watching http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35658357 Daniel Sturridge: 'Biggest disrespect' to question Liverpool commitment. Looking at the Sturridge interview where he looks clearly upset does this mean Remi has lost certain players in the dressing room?
Will have lost them permanently following todays comments?
They think that without any backing in Jan (and Remi's comments regarding the future) that he is a dead man walking and therefore they'll out last him anyway? Would dropping certain players and playing the kids make it worse?
Yes, I think he will have permanently 'lost' players following today's comments.
Mind you,I think he'd lost them before the Liverpool game, following his comments that although we'd previously beaten Norwich, we had been lucky to do so.

The poor little lambs obviously don't like to hear things like this.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 25, 2016, 02:40:14 PM
Quote from: paul_e on February 25, 2016, 09:18:13 AM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on February 25, 2016, 12:34:18 AM
Quote from: paul_e on February 24, 2016, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 24, 2016, 06:36:50 PM
Under O Neill we didn't suffer too much from injuries. We were also a fit side. Now of course we died on our ass in March, because he only used 14-15 players with any regularity, over the course of a season (watch Leicester in March-April) but still, up until the burnout (which even to the fittest bunch of players you could have, would be inevitable the way O Neill ran them), we lasted the distance in games and played at a high tempo.
Since O Neill left we've been cluster-fucked by injuries. We've been hampered with dire fitness in which, throughout the entire seasons, we've been outfought and outrun and outlasted by the vast majority of our opponents. We've spent 5 years playing like the wheezy kid at school who has to take a 10 minute break half way round an 400 metre lap run.

Our fitness levels still aren't good enough. Our injury record is a joke. I've no idea what our fitness team or medical team are doing. Whatever it is, it's not nearly warranting what they're getting paid.

I completely disagree.  We had some fit players (Milner and Young were the main ones but Gabby at that point would run all day as well) but as a squad I don't think we were at all.  We played a sit deep and counter style which is good if you have 2-3 attacking players like that and it masks how unfit the squad is.  John Terry made the state of squad quite clear by outright stating that their plan was to get to an hour safely and then watch us hit a wall.  That happened a fair few times under mon and not always in March.

Did Terry say this after Gabby scored his last minute goal against Chelsea in September 2007 or after our injury time penalty equaliser on Boxing Day a few months later?

I can think of plenty of late goals under MON ( I haven't even whispered the Goodison goal in case Legion is still awake, though strangely my own favourite was Zat Knight's v Arsenal) but very few since. Terry was just being a twat, which is fair enough as you should always stick to your strengths.

Terry was being a twat, he can't help it, but him being a twat and a couple of examples of late goals doesn't stop it from being true that they we often looked shit for the last 15-20 minutes under mon, if we were in the lead you just knew we'd withdraw deeper and deeper and part of that is a lack of fitness.  If we were chasing the game the examples where we did very little to push for a win are far more common than the examples of us pulling it off, the thing is you remember an injury time winner much better than you remember a game that went flat and we we lost/drew with a whimper.

paul_e we may have often looked shit but we also had the habit of scoring a few late goals to win / draw games. Aside from the ones I cited in my last post I remember in the season Terry made his above comment we won both Blues games with relatively late goals (last 10 minutes for sure), Stan grabbed a late (injury time?) equaliser at Palace in the cup, and the only league goal I can remember the Fonz scoring was a later winner on a Sunday night at Portsmouth. I also recall a late equaliser at home to Wolves in an awful game, though for the life of me cant remember who scored it as it was after midnight in old Shanghai town and drink had been taken.

For most of my life we have had an awful habit of conceding late goals but I recall things being better than usual under MON.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on February 25, 2016, 02:47:55 PM
Probably covered but on the commitment issue, this is from Tom Ross on Twitter:

Tom Ross: "Have you seen a desire from the players to put it right after #LFC?"
Remi Garde: "Not everyday,no." #AVFC
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT Villan on February 25, 2016, 03:07:08 PM
The parallels with Houllier's time at the club are shocking...maybe the same 'bad eggs' problem says more about modern-day professional footballers than anything else.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 25, 2016, 03:21:42 PM
This is terrible.I cannot remember in my 58yrs of going down Villa Park a situation such as this. Mr Lerner needs to sort something out.God knows what though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 25, 2016, 03:22:08 PM
Like most of us I suspect that something happened in the run up to the Valentine's Day massacre.  When we had just started to play a little bit like a team a grenade was tossed into the dressing room.  I can only think that it was the return of Gabby and it being construed by the malingerers as Remi having to cave in and player power ruled once again.  One I feel sorry for is Westwood because he is just not very good, and the same applies to Richardson but Gabby, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna are the anti French, anti Garde hard core and probably see another shameful game as a game nearer settling old scores.

When we lost to Norwich I was absolutely convinced Bacuna's trademark grin was nothing to do with nerves and everything to do with not giving a shit whether we won or lost.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 25, 2016, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 25, 2016, 03:22:08 PM
Like most of us I suspect that something happened in the run up to the Valentine's Day massacre.  When we had just started to play a little bit like a team a grenade was tossed into the dressing room.  I can only think that it was the return of Gabby and it being construed by the malingerers as Remi having to cave in and player power ruled once again.  One I feel sorry for is Westwood because he is just not very good, and the same applies to Richardson but Gabby, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna are the anti French, anti Garde hard core and probably see another shameful game as a game nearer settling old scores.

When we lost to Norwich I was absolutely convinced Bacuna's trademark grin was nothing to do with nerves and everything to do with not giving a shit whether we won or lost.
Without doubt, something happened pre Valentines Day and I would love to know what. Completely agree about Westwood, not his fault but I do believe he try's, and spot on about Bacuna.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 25, 2016, 03:34:39 PM
As far as Bacuna goes I don't think consistency is entirely the problem. Yes he is inconsistent and yes him seeming to find something amusing about how shit we are in games is fucking annoying, but most of all he's just a shithouse of a player. He's not good enough for this league.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on February 25, 2016, 03:37:43 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on February 25, 2016, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: Axl Rose on February 25, 2016, 12:20:35 PM
I think we can all guess who these players are.
I'd bet my house Gabby, Richards, Guzan, Bacuna are involved as the absolute oxygen stealing c***s. And I fucking hate them for it. Disgraceful people.

Bacuna

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-leandro-bacuna-hauled-10949598

Including a picture of him smiling with Benteke straight after the 6-0. Prick.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 25, 2016, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: Des Little on February 25, 2016, 02:33:33 PM
I firmly believe that, if Garde was to commit his future to us for next season, fans would support him in dropping those he's referring to and playing whoever shows the desire and passion that we, the manager and the club deserves.  The useless bastards aren't good enough to take the piss out of the club as they are doing right now.

There are too many wastrels at the club who have had an easy ride under previous incumbents and have been on easy street for far too long.  If Garde is willing to tackle and eradicate that culture at the club then he deserves the full support of hierarchy and fans alike and should be backed in public.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 25, 2016, 04:02:45 PM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on February 25, 2016, 03:37:43 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on February 25, 2016, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: Axl Rose on February 25, 2016, 12:20:35 PM
I think we can all guess who these players are.
I'd bet my house Gabby, Richards, Guzan, Bacuna are involved as the absolute oxygen stealing c***s. And I fucking hate them for it. Disgraceful people.

Bacuna

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-leandro-bacuna-hauled-10949598

Including a picture of him smiling with Benteke straight after the 6-0. Prick.

Just not that bright or he  just doesnt give a toss
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 25, 2016, 04:14:46 PM
Quote from: Lsvilla on February 25, 2016, 01:33:33 PM
Wow - that's pretty powerful from Garde - what a toxic bunch of w@"£ers we appear to have assembled. I'd love him to be given the mandate to sort it out over the summer but can't help feel he will be off and do a great job for someone else. Worst fear has to be that he ends up at the Bitters to replace Pulis.

Me too, with someone brought in above him to ensure he has the support he needs to imoplement the changes throughout the club.  Someone like Houllier (probably not him given his history with us) would be ideal.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 25, 2016, 05:02:01 PM
Whether Remi Garde likes it or not. Whether we like it or not he is in a position where he cannot win. The club hierarchy do not have any intention at all of giving him funds to improve the team. They are probably under orders from the owner who wants desperately to sell. He has at least three players on long contracts he would dearly like out of the club but they will not move while they are on very good money and who can blame them?

None of us would attach an iota of blame on him if he walked tonight. I believe there is going to be a massive bust up involving factions of the clubs personnel before too long. Like him or not you cannot imagine Doug Ellis putting up with a situation like this or any owner other than Lerner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on February 25, 2016, 06:49:36 PM
Remi, please, please, please play all the youngsters against Stoke.

Drop the fucking wasters who don't bother with training and try less on a match day.

I don't care how many mistakes they might make, I just want to see a set of players giving their all and showing some passion for our famous shirt.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 25, 2016, 07:36:35 PM
Gabflab for one hasn't always been this way - so what changed and when?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 25, 2016, 07:40:41 PM
MONs way of training changed to Houllier's way and Gabby threw a tantrum then didn't he?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 25, 2016, 08:07:04 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on February 25, 2016, 07:36:35 PM
Gabflab for one hasn't always been this way - so what changed and when?
He doesn't like it when he's challenged to prove himself and actually work hard. Houllier did and Gabby didn't like him. Garde is the same. McLeish, Lamberk and Dim all gave him complete freedom to do whatever he wanted without a threat to his starting place.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Quiet Lion on February 25, 2016, 08:28:56 PM
Honestly that interview is fucking shocking.

Going down is bad enough, but it is almost easier to take if it was just down to them being shit. Not trying, not being committed to the point where the manager admits it publicly, just makes a shit situation so much worse.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 25, 2016, 08:34:36 PM
I hope Remi doesn't expose the kids by replacing the wastrels with them.
We are as good as gone anyway, so why put the kids in the firing line?
Let the fucking wastrels who have put us in this position face the music every week from now till the end of the season.....not that they give a shiny shit!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 25, 2016, 08:40:28 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2016, 08:34:36 PM
I hope Remi doesn't expose the kids by replacing the wastrels with them.
We are as good as gone anyway, so why put the kids in the firing line?
Let the fucking wastrels who have put us in this position face the music every week from now till the end of the season.....not that they give a shiny shit!

Face what music though? The fans aren't baying for blood. The press have already made their minds up that it's the transfer committee and those bloody foreigners fault. I think it's just going to be monotonous defeats until the season ends and then some rats jumping ship in the summer and us getting to hear they're opinions about us for the next year or until we become decent again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 25, 2016, 08:42:36 PM
I think the fact they are being made to play is punishment in itself.
The obviously don't want to be out there so fuck em, make em play.
Infact, make them play in their pants!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 25, 2016, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on February 25, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2016, 12:10:43 PM
https://audioboom.com/boos/4227395-i-have-to-fight-everyday-to-find-the-right-words-to-make-them-committed?utm_campaign=detailpage&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

He has an impossible task.
His final comment is damning.

The last minute or so of that interview sums up everything that is wrong with the rabble of a squad that we now have. How were we ever allowed to get to this position? >:(

I get that we've got some absolute arseholes in the squad, and that Garde has got an impossible job, but....

Should he really be calling the players out like that?  Is it going to help?  He stops just short of calling Lescott a liar, and then says that if he had options he wouldn't pick half of them, and that they're not showing any fight in training.  Such honesty can be admirable, but I don't think it's going to help him get anything extra out of our squad between now and the end of the season. The players seem to have mostly given up, but that interview for me sounds like Garde has sort of given up himself, in that he knows he won't be here after this season finishes.  I don't know, I'm probably way off line, but to me no matter how bad things get, the manager shouldn't be so brutally honest while there's still a mathematical chance of staying up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 25, 2016, 09:08:16 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 25, 2016, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on February 25, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2016, 12:10:43 PM
https://audioboom.com/boos/4227395-i-have-to-fight-everyday-to-find-the-right-words-to-make-them-committed?utm_campaign=detailpage&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

He has an impossible task.
His final comment is damning.

The last minute or so of that interview sums up everything that is wrong with the rabble of a squad that we now have. How were we ever allowed to get to this position? >:(

I get that we've got some absolute arseholes in the squad, and that Garde has got an impossible job, but....

Should he really be calling the players out like that?  Is it going to help?  He stops just short of calling Lescott a liar, and then says that if he had options he wouldn't pick half of them, and that they're not showing any fight in training.  Such honesty can be admirable, but I don't think it's going to help him get anything extra out of our squad between now and the end of the season. The players seem to have mostly given up, but that interview for me sounds like Garde has sort of given up himself, in that he knows he won't be here after this season finishes.  I don't know, I'm probably way off line, but to me no matter how bad things get, the manager shouldn't be so brutally honest while there's still a mathematical chance of staying up.

You'd have to then argue that it's never the right thing to do, as any kind of threshold for it being acceptable has surely been smashed by this lot, with our last outing topping the lot.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: E I Adio on February 25, 2016, 09:13:34 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 25, 2016, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on February 25, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2016, 12:10:43 PM
https://audioboom.com/boos/4227395-i-have-to-fight-everyday-to-find-the-right-words-to-make-them-committed?utm_campaign=detailpage&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

He has an impossible task.
His final comment is damning.

The last minute or so of that interview sums up everything that is wrong with the rabble of a squad that we now have. How were we ever allowed to get to this position? >:(

I get that we've got some absolute arseholes in the squad, and that Garde has got an impossible job, but....

Should he really be calling the players out like that?  Is it going to help?  He stops just short of calling Lescott a liar, and then says that if he had options he wouldn't pick half of them, and that they're not showing any fight in training.  Such honesty can be admirable, but I don't think it's going to help him get anything extra out of our squad between now and the end of the season. The players seem to have mostly given up, but that interview for me sounds like Garde has sort of given up himself, in that he knows he won't be here after this season finishes.  I don't know, I'm probably way off line, but to me no matter how bad things get, the manager shouldn't be so brutally honest while there's still a mathematical chance of staying up.

I'm not sure that we have anything to lose by the manager giving an honestly held opinion an airing. Garde comes across to me as well educated, sensible, knowledgeable and truthful. If things really are as bad as he indicates in that interview, then I don't blame him for telling it like it is, it's not as if many who saw the Liverpool game would disagree with his conclusions and it's surely preferable to mumbling incoherently into a microphone how well the team had played despite playing appallingly, topped off with "we go again."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 25, 2016, 09:22:31 PM
The platitudes and 'we go again' stance was symptomatic of lambert's attitude at the end.  He was too tired to try and fix the problems - whether that was to challenge the board or change the players.  At least with Garde he appears to be prepared to make himself unpopular in order to permanently change the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eric woolban woolban on February 25, 2016, 09:35:37 PM
Soon as Flabby leaves the Villa his career will go downhill faster than Eddie the Eagle on speed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 25, 2016, 09:43:06 PM
Quote from: E I Adio on February 25, 2016, 09:13:34 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 25, 2016, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on February 25, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2016, 12:10:43 PM
https://audioboom.com/boos/4227395-i-have-to-fight-everyday-to-find-the-right-words-to-make-them-committed?utm_campaign=detailpage&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

He has an impossible task.
His final comment is damning.

The last minute or so of that interview sums up everything that is wrong with the rabble of a squad that we now have. How were we ever allowed to get to this position? >:(

I get that we've got some absolute arseholes in the squad, and that Garde has got an impossible job, but....

Should he really be calling the players out like that?  Is it going to help?  He stops just short of calling Lescott a liar, and then says that if he had options he wouldn't pick half of them, and that they're not showing any fight in training.  Such honesty can be admirable, but I don't think it's going to help him get anything extra out of our squad between now and the end of the season. The players seem to have mostly given up, but that interview for me sounds like Garde has sort of given up himself, in that he knows he won't be here after this season finishes.  I don't know, I'm probably way off line, but to me no matter how bad things get, the manager shouldn't be so brutally honest while there's still a mathematical chance of staying up.

I'm not sure that we have anything to lose by the manager giving an honestly held opinion an airing. Garde comes across to me as well educated, sensible, knowledgeable and truthful. If things really are as bad as he indicates in that interview, then I don't blame him for telling it like it is, it's not as if many who saw the Liverpool game would disagree with his conclusions and it's surely preferable to mumbling incoherently into a microphone how well the team had played despite playing appallingly, topped off with "we go again."

I think shaming them into some sort of response might just be the last roll of the dice.

Those that are the most obvious candidates to be the cause of the problems are also those most likely to searching for pastures new the second relegation clauses kick in. Garde has effectively just to told the world that 3 or 4 of that squad are utter skuz buckets and should not be touched with a barge poll.  Ergo make yourselves look decent or your fooked because your futures are now tied to ours.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 25, 2016, 09:43:36 PM
Unfortunatly Remi Garde won't be here next season IMO
Unfortunatly Mr Pearson will be IMO
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 25, 2016, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 25, 2016, 09:08:16 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 25, 2016, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on February 25, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2016, 12:10:43 PM
https://audioboom.com/boos/4227395-i-have-to-fight-everyday-to-find-the-right-words-to-make-them-committed?utm_campaign=detailpage&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

He has an impossible task.
His final comment is damning.

The last minute or so of that interview sums up everything that is wrong with the rabble of a squad that we now have. How were we ever allowed to get to this position? >:(

I get that we've got some absolute arseholes in the squad, and that Garde has got an impossible job, but....

Should he really be calling the players out like that?  Is it going to help?  He stops just short of calling Lescott a liar, and then says that if he had options he wouldn't pick half of them, and that they're not showing any fight in training.  Such honesty can be admirable, but I don't think it's going to help him get anything extra out of our squad between now and the end of the season. The players seem to have mostly given up, but that interview for me sounds like Garde has sort of given up himself, in that he knows he won't be here after this season finishes.  I don't know, I'm probably way off line, but to me no matter how bad things get, the manager shouldn't be so brutally honest while there's still a mathematical chance of staying up.

You'd have to then argue that it's never the right thing to do, as any kind of threshold for it being acceptable has surely been smashed by this lot, with our last outing topping the lot.

You're probably right to be fair.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 25, 2016, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 25, 2016, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on February 25, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2016, 12:10:43 PM
https://audioboom.com/boos/4227395-i-have-to-fight-everyday-to-find-the-right-words-to-make-them-committed?utm_campaign=detailpage&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

He has an impossible task.
His final comment is damning.

The last minute or so of that interview sums up everything that is wrong with the rabble of a squad that we now have. How were we ever allowed to get to this position? >:(

I get that we've got some absolute arseholes in the squad, and that Garde has got an impossible job, but....

Should he really be calling the players out like that?  Is it going to help?  He stops just short of calling Lescott a liar, and then says that if he had options he wouldn't pick half of them, and that they're not showing any fight in training.  Such honesty can be admirable, but I don't think it's going to help him get anything extra out of our squad between now and the end of the season. The players seem to have mostly given up, but that interview for me sounds like Garde has sort of given up himself, in that he knows he won't be here after this season finishes.  I don't know, I'm probably way off line, but to me no matter how bad things get, the manager shouldn't be so brutally honest while there's still a mathematical chance of staying up.

Tough one though, isn't it? 

If he plays dial-a-cliche and talks about everyone fighting hard to stay up, he looks like a plum when we put in a performance like that travesty against the Redscouse. 
It makes sense not to burn your bridges completely and try to keep the bulk of the squad even vaguely onside, even the ones you aren't too keen on.

But other managers have done that and got nowhere, so maybe it needs someone to cut through the bluff and bluster.Houllier (for all his many, many faults) wanted to do that to an extent.  But I don't particularly think his commitment to the club was total even pre illness, so there is a lack of credibility there.

Roy Keane seemed to suss it out pretty quickly too, as uncomfortable as it was to hear.  "The problem at Villa is you have players who want praise for being able to put their boots on and tie their shoelaces."

Ability-wise, I don't think this is the worst side or even one of the three worse sides in the division. But there seems to be a casualness and can't be fucked attitude that runs right through the club from the very top.

There is a substantial rebuilding job to do. But from the sounds of it, Garde won't be the one doing it. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 25, 2016, 09:52:10 PM
Quote from: john e on February 25, 2016, 09:43:36 PM
Unfortunatly Remi Garde won't be here next season IMO
Unfortunatly Mr Pearson will be IMO

I think this time next year we will be dreaming of the idea we could attract a manager as good as Garde or Pearson any more.





Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on February 25, 2016, 09:58:38 PM
oh Dear, the circus used to always be B9

who wants to write our epitaph
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on February 25, 2016, 09:59:05 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on February 25, 2016, 09:52:10 PM
Quote from: john e on February 25, 2016, 09:43:36 PM
Unfortunatly Remi Garde won't be here next season IMO
Unfortunatly Mr Pearson will be IMO

I think this time next year we will be dreaming of the idea we could attract a manager as good as Garde or Pearson any more.







....we will when Steve Evans is announced as our latest new saviour!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 25, 2016, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on February 25, 2016, 09:52:10 PM
Quote from: john e on February 25, 2016, 09:43:36 PM
Unfortunatly Remi Garde won't be here next season IMO
Unfortunatly Mr Pearson will be IMO

I think this time next year we will be dreaming of the idea we could attract a manager as good as Garde or Pearson any more.


The day we look enviously at someone like Nigel Pearson is the day we're looking for someone to knock down the North Stand using his head as wrecking ball.  Otherwise he can f¤¤k off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 25, 2016, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on February 25, 2016, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on February 25, 2016, 09:52:10 PM
Quote from: john e on February 25, 2016, 09:43:36 PM
Unfortunatly Remi Garde won't be here next season IMO
Unfortunatly Mr Pearson will be IMO

I think this time next year we will be dreaming of the idea we could attract a manager as good as Garde or Pearson any more.


The day we look enviously at someone like Nigel Pearson is the day we're looking for someone to knock down the North Stand using his head as wrecking ball.  Otherwise he can f¤¤k off.

Crane on standby then. :) I am just projecting into the future the past 5 years. I dont care for Pearson as a manager at all but from my perspective the options we will have to replace Garde will be far worse than we had to replace Lambert or Sherwood.

Hopefully Garde will be here as we happily sit top the table, but its hard to see such a positive outcome today.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: robbyfvillain on February 26, 2016, 01:07:48 AM
Quote from: Risso on February 25, 2016, 09:44:49 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 25, 2016, 09:08:16 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 25, 2016, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on February 25, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2016, 12:10:43 PM
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He has an impossible task.
His final comment is damning.

The last minute or so of that interview sums up everything that is wrong with the rabble of a squad that we now have. How were we ever allowed to get to this position? >:(

I get that we've got some absolute arseholes in the squad, and that Garde has got an impossible job, but....

Should he really be calling the players out like that?  Is it going to help?  He stops just short of calling Lescott a liar, and then says that if he had options he wouldn't pick half of them, and that they're not showing any fight in training.  Such honesty can be admirable, but I don't think it's going to help him get anything extra out of our squad between now and the end of the season. The players seem to have mostly given up, but that interview for me sounds like Garde has sort of given up himself, in that he knows he won't be here after this season finishes.  I don't know, I'm probably way off line, but to me no matter how bad things get, the manager shouldn't be so brutally honest while there's still a mathematical chance of staying up.

You'd have to then argue that it's never the right thing to do, as any kind of threshold for it being acceptable has surely been smashed by this lot, with our last outing topping the lot.

You're probably right to be fair.
Just to put a slightly different slant on it. He could be using these comments as a form of blackmail to get the players to at least put in some effort. He hasn't actually named players yet and maybe he has said to them that he will name and shame them. The chance of them picking up lucrative contracts in the future will diminish sharply if they are actually named by the manager as non triers. Whereas if they turn around the effort he may comment on them performing better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on February 26, 2016, 06:38:11 AM
I don't was told by an employee that after Liverpool, Gabby, Richards, Lescott and Westwood sat in the dressing long after the game, ridiculing and slagging the rest off, including Remi and his staff.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 26, 2016, 07:16:25 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on February 25, 2016, 09:52:10 PM
Quote from: john e on February 25, 2016, 09:43:36 PM
Unfortunatly Remi Garde won't be here next season IMO
Unfortunatly Mr Pearson will be IMO

I think this time next year we will be dreaming of the idea we could attract a manager as good as Garde or Pearson any more.

That's nonsense in my opinion. Despite the mess we're in, we're still a very big club and manager's would love the challenge putting us right.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 26, 2016, 07:19:10 AM
Quote from: Hoppo on February 26, 2016, 06:38:11 AM
I don't was told by an employee that after Liverpool, Gabby, Richards, Lescott and Westwood sat in the dressing long after the game, ridiculing and slagging the rest off, including Remi and his staff.
Im sure there are lots of players and player-cliques doing loads of slagging off. Perhaps there should be more taking some accountability for our current position and resolving to improve. I don't see any of either.
The bottom line is that Garde's impact has been limited and the same set of players are incapable of putting in points-winning performances.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on February 26, 2016, 07:44:53 AM
What a mess and a complete insult to everyone one who actually gives a shit. That interview is so depressing to hear.

I wish our manager could rip up the contracts of anyone who is causing trouble, not giving their all and generally taking the piss. That would wipe the smug smile off their spoilt faces.

If I was running this club I'd trust Remi to completely overhaul the entire club from the academy right through to the first team. I really believe he could do it. I even reckon he would not need the huge finances to do it either like some mangers need.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on February 26, 2016, 07:49:56 AM
Quote from: LeeB on February 25, 2016, 09:08:16 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 25, 2016, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: Rotterdam 82 on February 25, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: andyh on February 25, 2016, 12:10:43 PM
https://audioboom.com/boos/4227395-i-have-to-fight-everyday-to-find-the-right-words-to-make-them-committed?utm_campaign=detailpage&utm_content=retweet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

He has an impossible task.
His final comment is damning.

The last minute or so of that interview sums up everything that is wrong with the rabble of a squad that we now have. How were we ever allowed to get to this position? >:(

I get that we've got some absolute arseholes in the squad, and that Garde has got an impossible job, but....

Should he really be calling the players out like that?  Is it going to help?  He stops just short of calling Lescott a liar, and then says that if he had options he wouldn't pick half of them, and that they're not showing any fight in training.  Such honesty can be admirable, but I don't think it's going to help him get anything extra out of our squad between now and the end of the season. The players seem to have mostly given up, but that interview for me sounds like Garde has sort of given up himself, in that he knows he won't be here after this season finishes.  I don't know, I'm probably way off line, but to me no matter how bad things get, the manager shouldn't be so brutally honest while there's still a mathematical chance of staying up.

You'd have to then argue that it's never the right thing to do, as any kind of threshold for it being acceptable has surely been smashed by this lot, with our last outing topping the lot.

He has been here a while now though and perhaps he has exhausted all other approaches?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on February 26, 2016, 08:07:09 AM
Quote
Unfortunatly Remi Garde won't be here next season IMO
Unfortunatly Mr Pearson will be IMO

There is absolutely no way a board as conservative (little 'c' and big 'C') as ours is ever going to appoint anyone as outspoken/deranged as Nigel Pearson.

You're right about Garde though. Add to that Fox. And Reilly. And Almstadt.

Another summer of change/overhaul awaits.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on February 26, 2016, 09:10:55 AM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on February 25, 2016, 08:28:56 PM
Honestly that interview is fucking shocking.

Going down is bad enough, but it is almost easier to take if it was just down to them being shit. Not trying, not being committed to the point where the manager admits it publicly, just makes a shit situation so much worse.

To be honest, that interview is a shocking indictment of Garde's management abilities too.

He is throwing the player under a bus, fuck knows most of them deserve it.

But managers are supposed to manage, he must have no credibility in the dressing room at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on February 26, 2016, 09:19:40 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on February 26, 2016, 09:10:55 AM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on February 25, 2016, 08:28:56 PM
Honestly that interview is fucking shocking.

Going down is bad enough, but it is almost easier to take if it was just down to them being shit. Not trying, not being committed to the point where the manager admits it publicly, just makes a shit situation so much worse.

To be honest, that interview is a shocking indictment of Garde's management abilities too.

He is throwing the player under a bus, fuck knows most of them deserve it.

But managers are supposed to manage, he must have no credibility in the dressing room at all.
Same for Sherwood, Lambert, McLeish. We all know this runs a lot deeper than the manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 26, 2016, 09:22:34 AM
I think we are so close to rock bottom that what any manager can achieve with the rabble that our squad has become is secondary to our proper presentation of ourselves as the honourable and historic club we are.

With that in mind are our board and owner so stupid (don't all shout at once) to allow Pearson or Redknapp or McClaren or Pulis or Lennon  of any other deranged/racist/thick/geezer to be the face of Aston Villa?

Footballing results apart at least we have in Remi Garde a manager not to be ashamed of.  Truth be told looking at the owner, the players and the board he is too good for us.  If he goes and we get some wannabee cap doffing arse licking media grovelling thicko in his place and we win some games in the second tier, I shall not be watching it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eddiemunster on February 26, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
Is this why some of Lamberts coaching staff were got rid of, for presumably bullying the overpaid, overweening, useless assholes in our first team squad?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 26, 2016, 09:57:43 AM
I don't think so, more for bullying the graduate of our youth scheme who will be playing in the Champions League next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on February 26, 2016, 10:13:59 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on February 26, 2016, 09:10:55 AM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on February 25, 2016, 08:28:56 PM
Honestly that interview is fucking shocking.

Going down is bad enough, but it is almost easier to take if it was just down to them being shit. Not trying, not being committed to the point where the manager admits it publicly, just makes a shit situation so much worse.

To be honest, that interview is a shocking indictment of Garde's management abilities too.

He is throwing the player under a bus, fuck knows most of them deserve it.

But managers are supposed to manage, he must have no credibility in the dressing room at all.

I completely disagree. He can't help but be honest. He has integrity. If I'm a player, I want to play for a guy like that. He'd reward and respect effort and good faith. I really hope he stays on and successfully evicts those players pulling the club down. He's exactly what the club needs and needs to be backed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 26, 2016, 10:21:12 AM
Whoever Garde believes is sauntering around and not putting in any commitment and effort should be removed from the first team squad with immediate effect. We aren't staying up so it's time to put to an end this attitude and keep it away from the players that do care. Complacency and laziness rubs off on to others. We have to start taking this seriously and there has to be serious consequences to poor attitudes and disruption.

I can take getting beaten I can't take getting beaten because no one gives a shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: eddiemunster on February 26, 2016, 10:27:44 AM
Assuming that the ones who aren't trying, are not out of contract, then how do you make them play? We only have to look at the N'Zog situation to see the players have the club by the short airs and not the other way round, and so the "non triers" will be "Non performing" as AVFC next season and so on, until we sell them or pay them off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 26, 2016, 10:30:50 AM
You don't make them play, they're shit anyway so why are we wanting to play players that are showing complete disregard and contempt for the club we love?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 26, 2016, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 26, 2016, 10:30:50 AM
You don't make them play, they're shit anyway so why are we wanting to play players that are showing complete disregard and contempt for the club we love?

Because we have very few other options. Most of them fall into this category.

The 'play the whole youth team' idea will just result in destroying the confidence of any talent we do have.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 26, 2016, 10:39:07 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 26, 2016, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 26, 2016, 10:30:50 AM
You don't make them play, they're shit anyway so why are we wanting to play players that are showing complete disregard and contempt for the club we love?

Because we have very few other options. Most of them fall into this category.

The 'play the whole youth team' idea will just result in destroying the confidence of any talent we do have.

I disagree. I can't think of anything more soul destroying then playing with players who are half hearted, supposedly talk about you behind your back, show no team spirit and get beaten most weeks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 26, 2016, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 26, 2016, 10:39:07 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 26, 2016, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 26, 2016, 10:30:50 AM
You don't make them play, they're shit anyway so why are we wanting to play players that are showing complete disregard and contempt for the club we love?

Because we have very few other options. Most of them fall into this category.

The 'play the whole youth team' idea will just result in destroying the confidence of any talent we do have.

I disagree. I can't think of anything more soul destroying then playing with players who are half hearted, supposedly talk about you behind your back, show no team spirit and get beaten most weeks.

I'm talking about destroying the youth players. Putting them in en-masse will mean we get thumped 5 or 6 nil every week and will destroy their confidence.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 26, 2016, 10:46:19 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 26, 2016, 10:43:25 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 26, 2016, 10:39:07 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 26, 2016, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 26, 2016, 10:30:50 AM
You don't make them play, they're shit anyway so why are we wanting to play players that are showing complete disregard and contempt for the club we love?

Because we have very few other options. Most of them fall into this category.

The 'play the whole youth team' idea will just result in destroying the confidence of any talent we do have.

I disagree. I can't think of anything more soul destroying then playing with players who are half hearted, supposedly talk about you behind your back, show no team spirit and get beaten most weeks.

I'm talking about destroying the youth players. Putting them in en-masse will mean we get thumped 5 or 6 nil every week and will destroy their confidence.

Bunn
Cissokho
Hutton
Okore
Clark
Gueye
Veretout
............
Ayew
............
.............

It wouldn't need to be en masse. With Traore back sooner than later and Ayew back next week. It's not a good team but we aren't a good team anyway.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 26, 2016, 10:49:04 AM
This is just my guess going on comments and certain players being dropped but Guzan, Richards, Lescott, Westwood, Bacuna and Gabby seem to be the players that get spoken about and dropped more than the others and as such are possibly the trouble makers. Are we that much of a worse side without shite like that in it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sid1964 on February 26, 2016, 11:00:44 AM
this situation with the players not caring or putting in effort has been going on for years, and yet, some of these players have been rewarded with new contracts....

The not caring or putting in effort was stated by Roy Keane

You only have to look at the attitude from them off the pitch, after the Cup Final, going out to a nightclub with Arsenal players, Gabby after Arsenal beat us this season at home, went down to London to have a night out with them!, it is the quickest he has moved this season... no vertigo then!

For me they have given up, they are hoping that Garde gets the sack, because when ever anyone tells them the truth (Houllier / Keane / Garde etc..) they don't like it, they are like spoilt rich kids

The thing is they are all prepared to take a pay cut / get relegated just to get rid of Garde!

Just watch the reaction of them when the final whistle goes in the game we are finally relegated, no doubt they will all fall on to the turf, trying to give the impression that they have given everything (us as fans will now the truth)

i hope that no one applauds them for there efforts this season!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Eckybloke on February 26, 2016, 11:19:54 AM
The statement from Remi seems just like an "it's them or me" ultimatum and quite frankly it needs to be them.  If Remi also feels that it needs to be him then so be it but we're fucked as a club until these wastrels are out of the door.

Please Randy just do anything to sort this shite out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 26, 2016, 11:24:40 AM
the only things he can do is either sell (which he seems to find impossible at the price he wants) or invest (which he appears loathe to do). Talk about being between a rock and a hard place.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 26, 2016, 02:16:58 PM
I think the club needs to support Remi and he needs to purge the club of the players whose attitude is not up to scratch. We can keep on sacking managers, but ultimately we seem to end up in the same position. A lot of it is down to a lack of leadership at the top of the club, which results in players thinking they are untouchable. But without a purge of those players we are just going to keep going round in the same cycle.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 26, 2016, 02:52:51 PM
Yet again in interview he stated that he knew what he was taking on - bottom, 10 points adrift etc - but then there was more stuff than he'd been led to believe.
As a few of us have said before, this must surely be the atmosphere at BMH influenced by the attitude and commitment of some key personnel/players that Garde finds frustratingly unacceptable within a professional football club in the EPL...or almost any other football league!
But that's all he's got to work with - he's sensible enough not to throw the kids in, so can only play those in the first team squad who are clearly the best of a bad bunch.
He clearly thinks that a massive clear out is required, as well as a massive change in culture...something most of us would support 100%.
I hope he stays to do that job and that the board/Lerner back him 100% so that he can do it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: conman on February 26, 2016, 03:23:49 PM
Quote from: eddiemunster on February 26, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
Is this why some of Lamberts coaching staff were got rid of, for presumably bullying the overpaid, overweening, useless assholes in our first team squad?
yes it didnt take roy keane long to see what was going on , he told them a few home truths , they threw dummies out the pram so he fucked off
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 26, 2016, 03:40:59 PM
Quote from: conman on February 26, 2016, 03:23:49 PM
Quote from: eddiemunster on February 26, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
Is this why some of Lamberts coaching staff were got rid of, for presumably bullying the overpaid, overweening, useless assholes in our first team squad?
yes it didnt take roy keane long to see what was going on , he told them a few home truths , they threw dummies out the pram so he fucked off

Roy Keane could see a few of them for what they were. When he had a go at Grealish (remember him!) Grealish thought he was joking and couldn't wait to get on Twitter (or whatever it was) to let the world know. Roy Keane despite his failings was a total professional, who found members of the squad totally unprofessional and got out as soon as he could. I respect his dedication to the job and quite possibly Remi Garde would as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 26, 2016, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: conman on February 26, 2016, 03:23:49 PM
Quote from: eddiemunster on February 26, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
Is this why some of Lamberts coaching staff were got rid of, for presumably bullying the overpaid, overweening, useless assholes in our first team squad?
yes it didnt take roy keane long to see what was going on , he told them a few home truths , they threw dummies out the pram so he fucked off
Well from what we heard of Culverhouse and Karsa they certainly overstepped the mark. There's a difference between trying to instil discipline and bullying. I seem to recall Albrighton being rumoured to have been on the receiving end of those two in one incident, but lets face it, if there's one thing Albrighton isn't, it's lazy.

As for Roy Keane. Well he's a c**t. Always has been, always will. His ego comes first.
Not that I'm remotely sticking up for the players here. The vast majority definitely do need to pull their fingers out, but they need to be pushed in the right way, as much as I'd like to see some of them getting pelted with tea cups. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 26, 2016, 03:46:24 PM
Quote from: conman on February 26, 2016, 03:23:49 PM
Quote from: eddiemunster on February 26, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
Is this why some of Lamberts coaching staff were got rid of, for presumably bullying the overpaid, overweening, useless assholes in our first team squad?
yes it didnt take roy keane long to see what was going on , he told them a few home truths , they threw dummies out the pram so he fucked off

I think it was more a case that Keane had a book to flog, Joined Villa and chucked a few hand grenades in the dressing room before fucking off, leaving chaos behind him
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: conman on February 26, 2016, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 26, 2016, 03:46:24 PM
Quote from: conman on February 26, 2016, 03:23:49 PM
Quote from: eddiemunster on February 26, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
Is this why some of Lamberts coaching staff were got rid of, for presumably bullying the overpaid, overweening, useless assholes in our first team squad?
yes it didnt take roy keane long to see what was going on , he told them a few home truths , they threw dummies out the pram so he fucked off

I think it was more a case that Keane had a book to flog, Joined Villa and chucked a few hand grenades in the dressing room before fucking off, leaving chaos behind him
overpaid players on long contracts deciding when to make an effort or not was going on long before roy keane arrived at bodymoor heath and the current manager talking nicely to them wont change that either
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 26, 2016, 04:03:54 PM
Quote from: conman on February 26, 2016, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 26, 2016, 03:46:24 PM
Quote from: conman on February 26, 2016, 03:23:49 PM
Quote from: eddiemunster on February 26, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
Is this why some of Lamberts coaching staff were got rid of, for presumably bullying the overpaid, overweening, useless assholes in our first team squad?
yes it didnt take roy keane long to see what was going on , he told them a few home truths , they threw dummies out the pram so he fucked off

I think it was more a case that Keane had a book to flog, Joined Villa and chucked a few hand grenades in the dressing room before fucking off, leaving chaos behind him
overpaid players on long contracts deciding when to make an effort or not was going on long before roy keane arrived at bodymoor heath and the current manager talking nicely to them wont change that either

I know that. I was saying that Keane went to Villa to raise his profile in order to sell more books, not to knock the player into shape.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: conman on February 26, 2016, 04:13:42 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 26, 2016, 04:03:54 PM
Quote from: conman on February 26, 2016, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 26, 2016, 03:46:24 PM
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Quote from: eddiemunster on February 26, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
Is this why some of Lamberts coaching staff were got rid of, for presumably bullying the overpaid, overweening, useless assholes in our first team squad?
yes it didnt take roy keane long to see what was going on , he told them a few home truths , they threw dummies out the pram so he fucked off

I think it was more a case that Keane had a book to flog, Joined Villa and chucked a few hand grenades in the dressing room before fucking off, leaving chaos behind him
overpaid players on long contracts deciding when to make an effort or not was going on long before roy keane arrived at bodymoor heath and the current manager talking nicely to them wont change that either

I know that. I was saying that Keane went to Villa to raise his profile in order to sell more books, not to knock the player into shape.
His profile was high enough without Villa and i dont think his time here helped him sell many more extra copies
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on February 26, 2016, 04:14:04 PM
Quote from: MattW on February 26, 2016, 10:13:59 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on February 26, 2016, 09:10:55 AM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on February 25, 2016, 08:28:56 PM
Honestly that interview is fucking shocking.

Going down is bad enough, but it is almost easier to take if it was just down to them being shit. Not trying, not being committed to the point where the manager admits it publicly, just makes a shit situation so much worse.

To be honest, that interview is a shocking indictment of Garde's management abilities too.

He is throwing the player under a bus, fuck knows most of them deserve it.

But managers are supposed to manage, he must have no credibility in the dressing room at all.

I completely disagree. He can't help but be honest. He has integrity. If I'm a player, I want to play for a guy like that. He'd reward and respect effort and good faith. I really hope he stays on and successfully evicts those players pulling the club down. He's exactly what the club needs and needs to be backed.
I agree completely. Garde is intelligent, honest and strong. I really want him here for years to sort the team out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 26, 2016, 04:15:04 PM
Quote from: conman on February 26, 2016, 04:13:42 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 26, 2016, 04:03:54 PM
Quote from: conman on February 26, 2016, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 26, 2016, 03:46:24 PM
Quote from: conman on February 26, 2016, 03:23:49 PM
Quote from: eddiemunster on February 26, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
Is this why some of Lamberts coaching staff were got rid of, for presumably bullying the overpaid, overweening, useless assholes in our first team squad?
yes it didnt take roy keane long to see what was going on , he told them a few home truths , they threw dummies out the pram so he fucked off

I think it was more a case that Keane had a book to flog, Joined Villa and chucked a few hand grenades in the dressing room before fucking off, leaving chaos behind him
overpaid players on long contracts deciding when to make an effort or not was going on long before roy keane arrived at bodymoor heath and the current manager talking nicely to them wont change that either

I know that. I was saying that Keane went to Villa to raise his profile in order to sell more books, not to knock the player into shape.
His profile was high enough without Villa and i dont think his time here helped him sell many more extra copies

He was in the press and on the telly every day when he was at Villa. You think he came to us to further his career?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 26, 2016, 04:26:00 PM
If the players lack the integrity to deliver to their contracts, the manager will get big respect from the other squad members by dropping the wasters and playing others. I don't buy into the theory that the careers of callow youths will by destroyed by being involved now: it's a matter of it being positioned effectively, since - after all - it hardly like we're expecting them to keep us in the Premier League.

Rather, Garde would be showing faith and commitment to the future by picking players that want to play for the club now. He would be cementing his own role in the club. He would be sticking with his own principles. He would show faith in the fans.

No brainer, then!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: conman on February 26, 2016, 04:35:45 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 26, 2016, 04:15:04 PM
Quote from: conman on February 26, 2016, 04:13:42 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 26, 2016, 04:03:54 PM
Quote from: conman on February 26, 2016, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 26, 2016, 03:46:24 PM
Quote from: conman on February 26, 2016, 03:23:49 PM
Quote from: eddiemunster on February 26, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
Is this why some of Lamberts coaching staff were got rid of, for presumably bullying the overpaid, overweening, useless assholes in our first team squad?
yes it didnt take roy keane long to see what was going on , he told them a few home truths , they threw dummies out the pram so he fucked off

I think it was more a case that Keane had a book to flog, Joined Villa and chucked a few hand grenades in the dressing room before fucking off, leaving chaos behind him
overpaid players on long contracts deciding when to make an effort or not was going on long before roy keane arrived at bodymoor heath and the current manager talking nicely to them wont change that either

I know that. I was saying that Keane went to Villa to raise his profile in order to sell more books, not to knock the player into shape.
His profile was high enough without Villa and i dont think his time here helped him sell many more extra copies

He was in the press and on the telly every day when he was at Villa. You think he came to us to further his career?
no i think he accepted the job because  his mate lambert asked him and said he could be o neils assistant at Ireland at the same time
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on February 26, 2016, 06:07:04 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on February 25, 2016, 09:52:10 PM
Quote from: john e on February 25, 2016, 09:43:36 PM
Unfortunatly Remi Garde won't be here next season IMO
Unfortunatly Mr Pearson will be IMO

I think this time next year we will be dreaming of the idea we could attract a manager as good as Garde or Pearson any more.







Nailed on the mast. Once Remi walks on May 16th, the clowns running the club will immediately realize they can't attract anyone with pedigree given the shambles of the past 5 years, track record of not backing managers / squeezing out costs, and squad many of whom are not good enough and are contracted for another 3-4 years. I am going to be glad when this season ends, but more than worrying about the Championship, I'm truly frightened by whom they appoint and have literally zero confidence they will get it right.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 26, 2016, 06:19:17 PM
They want a continental manager who is comfortable working in the way modern clubs that are successful do. If Garde fucks off, it won't be a Pearson replacing him.

Keep an eye on the Trust website on Tuesday. I hope to have a bit more for you then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 26, 2016, 06:37:37 PM
After the song honouring Andy Gray in he 70's.

Oh Randy, Oh Randy
You're a fuckwit
The Holte End say
Oh Randy, Oh Randy
You have fucked us in every way

Alternatives to fuckwit that spring to mind are arsehole, wank stain, cuntflute, jizz rag, spunk sock and of course halfwit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 26, 2016, 06:48:47 PM
I don't think he'll walk away or be sacked come the end of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 26, 2016, 07:19:21 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 26, 2016, 06:48:47 PM
I don't think he'll walk away or be sacked come the end of the season.

Good. We talk about him failing to get the players playing but he is completely hamstrung right now. You watch him offload the malcontents the moment he gets the opportunity. As for boardroom backing, I'm less certain.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 26, 2016, 08:18:10 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 26, 2016, 06:48:47 PM
I don't think he'll walk away or be sacked come the end of the season.

I think wether he stays or goes will tell us everything about how the club run.

If he stays, it will be because they will back him do what is required. If he walks, we'll know they haven't backed him and we'll need to start preparing ourselves for the kind of season that will make light of this one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on February 26, 2016, 08:20:02 PM
Remi Garde had a dream,
To build a football team,
But Tom & Randy said
You ain't having our cash.

So we had no attack
We were worse at the back
We're Aston Villa
We might not be back.

Same tune as the one Sheffield Weds have been singing for ages. Made it up today 😀
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 26, 2016, 08:33:02 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on February 26, 2016, 07:19:21 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 26, 2016, 06:48:47 PM
I don't think he'll walk away or be sacked come the end of the season.

Good. We talk about him failing to get the players playing but he is completely hamstrung right now. You watch him offload the malcontents the moment he gets the opportunity. As for boardroom backing, I'm less certain.

I'm not, I think that if he stays he'll get a lot of support, I know that's not the popular view on here but, like others, I think the boardroom will get a bit of a shake up in the next couple of months and I then suspect them to offer Garde a lot of support to get him to stay for another season and to convince some of the players they want to keep (veretout, ayew, okore, etc) to give us a season to get back.  I also think he'll be backed to clear out the troublemakers.

When Hollis joined he was talking about fixing the structural problems and Garde's comments this week point to a similar need so i think the aims of both work well together and I suspect Hollis will have seen that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 26, 2016, 08:37:49 PM
Quote from: john e on February 25, 2016, 09:43:36 PM
Unfortunatly Remi Garde won't be here next season IMO
Unfortunatly Mr Pearson will be IMO
So you think he will resign? If not we can't afford to pay another manager's contract out so I think he will stay put for two reasons. One is he obviously wants to prove himself second is the money. He will make lot of money by seeing out his contract.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 26, 2016, 08:41:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on February 26, 2016, 08:37:49 PM
Quote from: john e on February 25, 2016, 09:43:36 PM
Unfortunatly Remi Garde won't be here next season IMO
Unfortunatly Mr Pearson will be IMO
So you think he will resign? If not we can't afford to pay another manager's contract out so I think he will stay put for two reasons. One is he obviously wants to prove himself second is the money. He will make lot of money by seeing out his contract.

Hope your right,
but I think he's a goner come the end of the season
He won't stick around here getting fuck all support from the board and fuck all commitment from most of the so called first team players
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 26, 2016, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: john e on February 26, 2016, 08:41:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on February 26, 2016, 08:37:49 PM
Quote from: john e on February 25, 2016, 09:43:36 PM
Unfortunatly Remi Garde won't be here next season IMO
Unfortunatly Mr Pearson will be IMO
So you think he will resign? If not we can't afford to pay another manager's contract out so I think he will stay put for two reasons. One is he obviously wants to prove himself second is the money. He will make lot of money by seeing out his contract.

Hope your right,
but I think he's a goner come the end of the season
He won't stick around here getting fuck all support from the board and fuck all commitment from most of the so called first team players

If the board were to promise to back him to properly, I reckon there would be a fair part of him that would want to take the opportunity to put things right, given he's hard to work through a nightmare not of his own making so far.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 26, 2016, 08:46:46 PM
I'm of a similar view Paul; the decayed tissue needs to be cut out of the patient before the recovery can commence. That's at boardroom and dressing room level.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 26, 2016, 09:41:13 PM
I don't particularly want to get rid of Garde, but if you look at our results since he came in, they're pretty crap. I can't see why we'd be gutted to lose him.

Shit players to deal with, yes, but unable to inspire any kind of real improvement with results, that's disappointing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 26, 2016, 09:47:00 PM
Quote from: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 26, 2016, 09:41:13 PM
I don't particularly want to get rid of Garde, but if you look at our results since he came in, they're pretty crap. I can't see why we'd be gutted to lose him.

Shit players to deal with, yes, but unable to inspire any kind of real improvement with results, that's disappointing.

I'm pretty sure our points per game stat has increased, so there has been an improvement.  Plus that is without any of his own players and a squad which is broken spirit.  He could still be shit, but I don't think it is fair to say that there has not been an improvement.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 26, 2016, 10:00:53 PM
Players stay. managers go. no club in our position is going to shift players on long well paid contracts to clubs who won't pay them the same or similar.  People should take off the claret and blue glasses for a moment and think if you were a player on 30k a week, would you go to a club offering 15K? Not a chance. We will obviously listen to offers for those that have maybe shown promise (Ayew etc..) but the rest....well the club aren't going to pay up their contracts, so its upto the manager to get something out of them, whether thats Garde or some other poor sap.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 26, 2016, 10:36:24 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 26, 2016, 09:47:00 PM
Quote from: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 26, 2016, 09:41:13 PM
I don't particularly want to get rid of Garde, but if you look at our results since he came in, they're pretty crap. I can't see why we'd be gutted to lose him.

Shit players to deal with, yes, but unable to inspire any kind of real improvement with results, that's disappointing.

I'm pretty sure our points per game stat has increased, so there has been an improvement.  Plus that is without any of his own players and a squad which is broken spirit.  He could still be shit, but I don't think it is fair to say that there has not been an improvement.

An improvement in my eyes means winning a number of games. We've not done that and Garde hasn't really done anything to set the flames of the players and/or fans going.

No matter how shit a bunch of players, you'd like to think a new manager would have a good impact, but he's had, at best and being generous, a moderate impact.

Sherwood had a very good impact - he was just crap long term.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on February 27, 2016, 12:36:46 AM
Quote from: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 26, 2016, 10:36:24 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 26, 2016, 09:47:00 PM
Quote from: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 26, 2016, 09:41:13 PM
I don't particularly want to get rid of Garde, but if you look at our results since he came in, they're pretty crap. I can't see why we'd be gutted to lose him.

Shit players to deal with, yes, but unable to inspire any kind of real improvement with results, that's disappointing.

I'm pretty sure our points per game stat has increased, so there has been an improvement.  Plus that is without any of his own players and a squad which is broken spirit.  He could still be shit, but I don't think it is fair to say that there has not been an improvement.

An improvement in my eyes means winning a number of games. We've not done that and Garde hasn't really done anything to set the flames of the players and/or fans going.

No matter how shit a bunch of players, you'd like to think a new manager would have a good impact, but he's had, at best and being generous, a moderate impact.

Sherwood had a very good impact - he was just crap long term.

The impossible dream?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 27, 2016, 07:42:52 AM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 26, 2016, 10:00:53 PM
Players stay. managers go. no club in our position is going to shift players on long well paid contracts to clubs who won't pay them the same or similar.  People should take off the claret and blue glasses for a moment and think if you were a player on 30k a week, would you go to a club offering 15K? Not a chance. We will obviously listen to offers for those that have maybe shown promise (Ayew etc..) but the rest....well the club aren't going to pay up their contracts, so its upto the manager to get something out of them, whether thats Garde or some other poor sap.

Aren't you ruling out the possibility that the players' contracts have relegation clauses?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Zouch Villa on February 27, 2016, 08:02:25 AM
Repeating the sentiment of a number of previous posts, I have more faith in Garde than I did in any of our last three incumbents.

I would be happy to see him dismantle this awful squad in the summer to shape something of his own.  Unfortunately, I have no confidence in those running the club to have the courage and conviction to fully back him without hamstrung conditions, so suspect he will go 'by mutual agreement' at the end of another shambolic season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 27, 2016, 09:25:35 AM
I wouldn't imagine there s a player at the club, whose contract doesn't expire in June, without a relegation clause of circa 30%.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Zouch Villa on February 27, 2016, 09:31:22 AM
Quote from: Ads on February 27, 2016, 09:25:35 AM
I wouldn't imagine there s a player at the club, whose contract doesn't expire in June, without a relegation clause of circa 30%.

With the mis-management of the last few years, I'm afraid that nothing would surprise me now. Basic common sense should say that all contracts have relegation clauses, but we've seen little of that in these parts recently.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 27, 2016, 09:33:45 AM
Quote from: Ads on February 27, 2016, 09:25:35 AM
I wouldn't imagine there s a player at the club, whose contract doesn't expire in June, without a relegation clause of circa 30%.

That along with their egos demanding they dine at the top table should be enough to shift a fair few of the players.  I cannot see Richards thinking he is a championship player for example.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 27, 2016, 09:48:31 AM
I hope so. We might even be able to get a couple of million for the chump and buy a real right back with an attitude to match his ability.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2016, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 26, 2016, 10:36:24 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 26, 2016, 09:47:00 PM
Quote from: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 26, 2016, 09:41:13 PM
I don't particularly want to get rid of Garde, but if you look at our results since he came in, they're pretty crap. I can't see why we'd be gutted to lose him.

Shit players to deal with, yes, but unable to inspire any kind of real improvement with results, that's disappointing.

I'm pretty sure our points per game stat has increased, so there has been an improvement.  Plus that is without any of his own players and a squad which is broken spirit.  He could still be shit, but I don't think it is fair to say that there has not been an improvement.

An improvement in my eyes means winning a number of games. We've not done that and Garde hasn't really done anything to set the flames of the players and/or fans going.

No matter how shit a bunch of players, you'd like to think a new manager would have a good impact, but he's had, at best and being generous, a moderate impact.

Sherwood had a very good impact - he was just crap long term.

Yes but just because you define an improvement as winning a number of games doesn't mean that what Garde has done with us isn't an improvement. Also there a two factors that people seem to ignore, yes Sherwood got a bounce out of the team but he had a spine of Benteke, Delph, Vlaar in there. I'm pretty sure Garde would be happy with those three. Also Sherwood's isolation on the players we signed from France in the summer meant that when Garde took over he basically was starting from scratch with them, but in the middle of the season. If you remove the Liverpool result, as it was a bit of an anomaly, we've been competetive in most games we've played under Garde. I bet if Sherwood had done a better job of integrating our new players we wouldn't be cut adrift now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on February 27, 2016, 10:17:28 AM
They'll be some takers for Richards, yes. But even with a 30% relegation clause, it's not going to be easy to shift the likes of Gabby, Guzan, Kozak and Lescott et al off the books. How are they ever going to get the wages they're on at Villa anywhere else, even with the injection of yet more money into the Premier League and our readiness to give them away for nothing. They will all be a massive drain on our resources/ability to bounce back at the first attempt.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 27, 2016, 10:31:13 AM
Lescott and Kozak would be in their final year of contract at least. Heavens knows how we get shot of the other two.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on February 27, 2016, 10:32:59 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2016, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 26, 2016, 10:36:24 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 26, 2016, 09:47:00 PM
Quote from: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 26, 2016, 09:41:13 PM
I don't particularly want to get rid of Garde, but if you look at our results since he came in, they're pretty crap. I can't see why we'd be gutted to lose him.

Shit players to deal with, yes, but unable to inspire any kind of real improvement with results, that's disappointing.

I'm pretty sure our points per game stat has increased, so there has been an improvement.  Plus that is without any of his own players and a squad which is broken spirit.  He could still be shit, but I don't think it is fair to say that there has not been an improvement.

An improvement in my eyes means winning a number of games. We've not done that and Garde hasn't really done anything to set the flames of the players and/or fans going.

No matter how shit a bunch of players, you'd like to think a new manager would have a good impact, but he's had, at best and being generous, a moderate impact.

Sherwood had a very good impact - he was just crap long term.

Yes but just because you define an improvement as winning a number of games doesn't mean that what Garde has done with us isn't an improvement. Also there a two factors that people seem to ignore, yes Sherwood got a bounce out of the team but he had a spine of Benteke, Delph, Vlaar in there. I'm pretty sure Garde would be happy with those three. Also Sherwood's isolation on the players we signed from France in the summer meant that when Garde took over he basically was starting from scratch with them, but in the middle of the season. If you remove the Liverpool result, as it was a bit of an anomaly, we've been competetive in most games we've played under Garde. I bet if Sherwood had done a better job of integrating our new players we wouldn't be cut adrift now.

I've said before, he came in and said the fitness levels weren't good enough so the first 4-5 weeks where a bounce would normally happen he was busy trying to stabilise things after a long run of defeats and get the team as fit as he wanted.  If you look at the results since then it's 11 points in 12 games, not groundbreaking but over the entire season it would put us level with Sunderland, Norwich and Newcastle and give us a real chance.  Even with the Liverpool result we have 8 points from 7 games in 2016, Far from great but it's 43-44 points over a season and sees us comfortable.  The huge run of defeats under Sherwood and the time it took to repair the damage from it is what has cost us this season and I firmly believe that, by the end of the season, Garde will have a record of better than a point per game.  It won't be enough to save us but it should earn him the support to try to get us back up (his record is 12 points from 16 right now I believe).  I think we'll end up with 32-34 points and be 4-6 from safety.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 27, 2016, 10:38:42 AM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 27, 2016, 10:17:28 AM
They'll be some takers for Richards, yes. But even with a 30% relegation clause, it's not going to be easy to shift the likes of Gabby, Guzan, Kozak and Lescott et al off the books. How are they ever going to get the wages they're on at Villa anywhere else, even with the injection of yet more money into the Premier League and our readiness to give them away for nothing. They will all be a massive drain on our resources/ability to bounce back at the first attempt.


Well all 3 only have a year left, we'll probably shift Lescott if we and and him want it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone came in for Guzan and I doubt Kozak is earning a fortune.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on February 27, 2016, 10:54:27 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on February 27, 2016, 10:38:42 AM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 27, 2016, 10:17:28 AM
They'll be some takers for Richards, yes. But even with a 30% relegation clause, it's not going to be easy to shift the likes of Gabby, Guzan, Kozak and Lescott et al off the books. How are they ever going to get the wages they're on at Villa anywhere else, even with the injection of yet more money into the Premier League and our readiness to give them away for nothing. They will all be a massive drain on our resources/ability to bounce back at the first attempt.


Well all 3 only have a year left, we'll probably shift Lescott if we and and him want it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone came in for Guzan and I doubt Kozak is earning a fortune.

I thought Gabby had another two years after this summer (I'm really, really hoping I'm wrong. Please tell me I'm wrong). I would be surprised if someone came in for Guzan, unless they just wanted a crap third keeper and were rich enough to waste £20-25k a week on him. And Kozak will be earning a fortune by Championship standards, even with a relegation clause thrown in.

I just think if we can't get rid of their wages this summer, it will impact on who we can bring in. We really need to bounce back straight away, parachute payments will only go down, leading to more cost cutting, and so on it goes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 27, 2016, 10:58:02 AM
Steer / Bunn
Hutton / Okore / Clark / Baker / Amavi
Veretout / Gueye / Gardner / Sanchez
Traore / Kozak / Gestede / Grealish / Sinclair

Allied to the kids and with 3-4 astute buys you must fancy we have enough quality to compete next season.

Most of our issues with the squad are attitudinal.

If we can prise these waistrels from their lucrative contracts ideally i'd dispense with -

Guzan, Richards, Lescott, Richardson, Westy, Gil, Flabby.

Get some real senior leaders in with half a brain cell between them, a pair of testicles (a pair each) and respect for the paying public.

Apologies if i've missed some obvious players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 27, 2016, 10:59:20 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on February 27, 2016, 07:42:52 AM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 26, 2016, 10:00:53 PM
Players stay. managers go. no club in our position is going to shift players on long well paid contracts to clubs who won't pay them the same or similar.  People should take off the claret and blue glasses for a moment and think if you were a player on 30k a week, would you go to a club offering 15K? Not a chance. We will obviously listen to offers for those that have maybe shown promise (Ayew etc..) but the rest....well the club aren't going to pay up their contracts, so its upto the manager to get something out of them, whether thats Garde or some other poor sap.

Aren't you ruling out the possibility that the players' contracts have relegation clauses?

Still not going to bring their wages down to the level of the clubs possibly interested. If the average wage in the championship is 6k a week, I can't see many clubs willing to match what they'd be on even with relegation clauses

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 27, 2016, 11:00:45 AM
Sorry yes, I missed Gabby, which hard to do given the size of him!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 27, 2016, 12:36:31 PM
Lescott said he had the chance to go to the States in January, so I'd guess he (and Guzan) will end up there.
Richards will find a PL club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 27, 2016, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 27, 2016, 12:36:31 PM
Lescott said he had the chance to go to the States in January, so I'd guess he (and Guzan) will end up there.
Richards will find a PL club.

Agree.

I think we will take an offer for Gardner off forest as well. Can see Ayew and Gana getting a cut-price moves to a prem team, and Amavi leaving in the summer window once fit and starting to play well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 27, 2016, 12:50:58 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on February 27, 2016, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 27, 2016, 12:36:31 PM
Lescott said he had the chance to go to the States in January, so I'd guess he (and Guzan) will end up there.
Richards will find a PL club.

Agree.

I think we will take an offer for Gardner off forest as well. Can see Ayew and Gana getting a cut-price moves to a prem team, and Amavi leaving in the summer window once fit and starting to play well.

We'd be nuts to sell out better players on cut price deals when they have 3 years left on their deals.  If they leave it should be for a profit and then reinvested  ...then I remembered who is in charge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 27, 2016, 12:53:50 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 27, 2016, 12:50:58 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on February 27, 2016, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 27, 2016, 12:36:31 PM
Lescott said he had the chance to go to the States in January, so I'd guess he (and Guzan) will end up there.
Richards will find a PL club.
Agree.

I think we will take an offer for Gardner off forest as well. Can see Ayew and Gana getting a cut-price moves to a prem team, and Amavi leaving in the summer window once fit and starting to play well.

We'd be nuts to sell out better players on cut price deals when they have 3 years left on their deals.  If they leave it should be for a profit and then reinvested  ...then I remembered who is in charge.

The shower in charge of the club are nuts. I reckon they will take any offer for any player in order to get the wages down, and that they think all the dross that is left after the carcass has picked will look like Brazil in the Championship. Can't see us buying any players either.

Not what I want to happen, but my best prediction based on past record and the noises coming from Hollis.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on February 27, 2016, 01:04:27 PM
I guess we're just going to have to wait to see what transpires, but we might have to sell someone like Ayew because he has a relegation clause in his contract, or just to fund the wage bill/paltry transfer spending budget, now that the board have told us that spending money isn't the answer, or even an option if Randy refuses to put in any more of his own money.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 27, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
Don't forget the French players didn't come cheap, they were all 7-9 mill touches
so anyone wanting them will have to cough up at least the fee
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 27, 2016, 02:11:29 PM
Quote from: john e on February 27, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
Don't forget the French players didn't come cheap, they were all 7-9 mill touches
so anyone wanting them will have to cough up at least the fee

I reckon Hollis would agree fees less than we paid. It isn't like he was responsible for the fee paid, and seems to have a clear agenda to cut the costs down. I can only guess, but for my money the club would accept cut price fees to shift players off the wage bill. I really don't think Hollis/Fox/Lerner give a toss which players they are, and will sell anyone an offer comes in for.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: john e on February 27, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
Don't forget the French players didn't come cheap, they were all 7-9 mill touches
so anyone wanting them will have to cough up at least the fee

We won't be getting anything like £7-9m for players who are going down and looked average.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 27, 2016, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: john e on February 27, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
Don't forget the French players didn't come cheap, they were all 7-9 mill touches
so anyone wanting them will have to cough up at least the fee

We won't be getting anything like £7-9m for players who are going down and looked average.

we will be keeping them then
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2016, 02:22:52 PM
Exactly. Those players will look much better next season with a fresh start and not being trapped hopelessly at the bottom of the table. They will look different players with more confidence. Winning is enjoyable and none of our players are enjoying their football right now. When they do it will show in their attitude and desire.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Boz on February 27, 2016, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on February 27, 2016, 02:11:29 PM
Quote from: john e on February 27, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
Don't forget the French players didn't come cheap, they were all 7-9 mill touches
so anyone wanting them will have to cough up at least the fee

I reckon Hollis would agree fees less than we paid. It isn't like he was responsible for the fee paid, and seems to have a clear agenda to cut the costs down. I can only guess, but for my money the club would accept cut price fees to shift players off the wage bill. I really don't think Hollis/Fox/Lerner give a toss which players they are, and will sell anyone an offer comes in for.

The board need to realise we are primarily a football club, so selling our better players to get wages down is not a realistic policy if they want to remain in the Championship.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 27, 2016, 02:39:23 PM
Quote from: Boz on February 27, 2016, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on February 27, 2016, 02:11:29 PM
Quote from: john e on February 27, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
Don't forget the French players didn't come cheap, they were all 7-9 mill touches
so anyone wanting them will have to cough up at least the fee

I reckon Hollis would agree fees less than we paid. It isn't like he was responsible for the fee paid, and seems to have a clear agenda to cut the costs down. I can only guess, but for my money the club would accept cut price fees to shift players off the wage bill. I really don't think Hollis/Fox/Lerner give a toss which players they are, and will sell anyone an offer comes in for.

The board need to realise we are primarily a football club, so selling our better players to get wages down is not a realistic policy if they want to remain in the Championship.

Why would they want to remain in the Championship?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 02:48:41 PM
Quote from: john e on February 27, 2016, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: john e on February 27, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
Don't forget the French players didn't come cheap, they were all 7-9 mill touches
so anyone wanting them will have to cough up at least the fee

We won't be getting anything like £7-9m for players who are going down and looked average.

we will be keeping them then

I expect so, can't see us ''losing'' many players this summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 27, 2016, 03:02:34 PM
Could see Ayew ending up at somewhere like Palace for £5 million plus one of their forwards on loan.

Veretout does about 80 per cent of things right and then dwells on the ball too long and surrenders any advantage.

He still looks off the pace of the English game and we're coming into March. He's the type of player I would like to persist with, but I don't think other English sides will be tripping over themselves to sign him on this seasons showing. I could see him going to one of the bigger French sides though, as his standing will still be high over there.

I don't think we'll be getting anywhere near our money back on either of them.

Amavi could be our ace in the hole.  He looked far and away our most threatening player in the early part of the season, and if his rehabilitation means he is only coming back to full fitness by the end or soon after the transfer window, we might reap the benefit of having him for the guts of a season down there.  Even half a season might make a difference.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 04:17:31 PM
Talks the talk but shit team selection again today and no '' he doesn't have anyone else'' doesn't wash with me. He does, it's his choice not to utilise younger players. Not sure how losing all the time is going to do us any good, he'll walk anyway, I doubt he's even that bothered now apart from his reputation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on February 27, 2016, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 04:17:31 PM
Talks the talk but shit team selection again today and no '' he doesn't have anyone else'' doesn't wash with me. He does, it's his choice not to utilise younger players. Not sure how losing all the time is going to do us any good, he'll walk anyway, I doubt he's even that bothered now apart from his reputation.

I disagree

He has little or no options

Now isnt the time to be throwing in kids. Even if they are good enough it could ruin them with the current attitude of our supporters. Or maybe the kids arent good enoug?.probably, knowing our academy
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 04:40:57 PM
Attitude of the supporters? The support the clowns have had this season, it's turned nasty once or twice but apart from that those donkeys have been given support despite swanning around without a care in the world.

I think a lot of fans would appreciate seeing a few players run themselves in to the ground for a lost cause.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on February 27, 2016, 04:42:51 PM
It didn't do Man Utd any harm throwing a kid on the other night.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on February 27, 2016, 04:48:55 PM
Nice bloke, poor manager.Daft appointment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on February 27, 2016, 04:55:40 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 04:17:31 PM
Talks the talk but shit team selection again today and no '' he doesn't have anyone else'' doesn't wash with me. He does, it's his choice not to utilise younger players. Not sure how losing all the time is going to do us any good, he'll walk anyway, I doubt he's even that bothered now apart from his reputation.
Give some names ? Who in our squad does he put on the pitch?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on February 27, 2016, 04:56:25 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on February 27, 2016, 04:34:14 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 04:17:31 PM
Talks the talk but shit team selection again today and no '' he doesn't have anyone else'' doesn't wash with me. He does, it's his choice not to utilise younger players. Not sure how losing all the time is going to do us any good, he'll walk anyway, I doubt he's even that bothered now apart from his reputation.

I disagree

He has little or no options

Now isnt the time to be throwing in kids. Even if they are good enough it could ruin them with the current attitude of our supporters. Or maybe the kids arent good enoug?.probably, knowing our academy

Do what? Have you seen the away end at Stoke today and the noise the away fans have made?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 27, 2016, 04:56:46 PM
It's not going to work for him, is it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on February 27, 2016, 04:59:08 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on February 27, 2016, 04:56:46 PM
It's not going to work for him, is it?
Can't see him being here much longer tbh.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 27, 2016, 05:03:52 PM
I struggle to think of a team and a manager that seem to hate one another so pointedly. Garde can't look at that side and be pleased about what he's seeing, yet the squad players and youth can't seriously back Garde when they're not getting a chance ahead of at least half a dozen petulant arseholes masquerading as footballers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 27, 2016, 05:08:17 PM
the perfect storm
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2016, 05:10:15 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on February 27, 2016, 04:42:51 PM
It didn't do Man Utd any harm throwing a kid on the other night.

There is a massive, massive difference between throwing on a kid in a European cup tie at home versus into the hell that is a relegation battle. Even though have played well below themselves they still have a number of very good and confident players. It won't have done him any harm. Not such a good situation with us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 27, 2016, 05:17:48 PM
At some point, those squad kids have got to be thrown in, because even if the atmosphere is awful at the moment, I don’t think it's very fair to put them in a starting XI in the Championship where the minimum expectation will be to wipe out the bad vibes of this season. Either they're part of our future or they're not. I would expect to see Green and Lyden in after relegation's confirmed, at the very least.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2016, 05:23:47 PM
Yes, they will get used once relegation is confirmed. As hugely gutting as that day and immediate aftermath will be the remaining games will be a lot more relaxed. As crazy as that sounds. Away days will be parties. And with no real pressure the manager can start to look at players for the following season. I expect to see lines being drawn in the sand worn certain players who if Garde remains at the club will have played their final game. While there is still a chance I just think he is reluctant to expose them to the pressure and misery of it all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on February 27, 2016, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: passport1 on February 27, 2016, 04:48:55 PM
Nice bloke, poor manager.Daft appointment.

Think I'd prefer Terry Connor over this cowardly idiot. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on February 27, 2016, 05:27:49 PM
Andre Green should have got at least half an hour today.. no reason, no excuse not to.
I can understand not throwing 3/4 in but a gradual inclusion is what is needed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2016, 05:28:37 PM
Just want this season to end and Garde to get a chance to bring some players in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on February 27, 2016, 05:31:11 PM
Fuck him off and every player too.  Need to start from scratch.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on February 27, 2016, 05:34:08 PM
I don't understand people say "throwing the kids in to a relegation battle will ruin them"
Imagine if they start scoring goals and winning games it would make their careers.

Only one or two will make it anyway. The rest will dissappear down the leagues. We threw Greame Hogg in against Man Utd he bossed the midfield that day but go on to become a regular.
If I was in the Villa Youth team doing the business week in week out I'd think to myself give me a try I'm better than Gestede, Westwood Bacuna.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 27, 2016, 05:39:13 PM
I can understand the logic of not putting young players into relegation clashes, but ther comes a point where every game seems like the "wrong" game to blood them in. Stoke isn't the perfect game because they're still rather industrial despite their fancy-dans, but they weren't exactly awesome today. Why not the last fifteen minutes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on February 27, 2016, 05:51:28 PM
I can understand the logic of not putting young players into relegation clashes, but ther comes a point where every game seems like the "wrong" game to blood them in. Stoke isn't the perfect game because they're still rather industrial despite their fancy-dans, but they weren't exactly awesome today. Why not the last fifteen minutes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 27, 2016, 06:26:26 PM
Quote from: LTA on February 27, 2016, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: passport1 on February 27, 2016, 04:48:55 PM
Nice bloke, poor manager.Daft appointment.

Think I'd prefer Terry Connor over this cowardly idiot. 

Oh look, he/she is back! What a surprise.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on February 27, 2016, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: LTA on February 27, 2016, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: passport1 on February 27, 2016, 04:48:55 PM
Nice bloke, poor manager.Daft appointment.

Think I'd prefer Terry Connor over this cowardly idiot. 

I'd be interested to see your workings for this argument.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 27, 2016, 06:34:07 PM
Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on February 27, 2016, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: LTA on February 27, 2016, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: passport1 on February 27, 2016, 04:48:55 PM
Nice bloke, poor manager.Daft appointment.

Think I'd prefer Terry Connor over this cowardly idiot. 

I'd be interested to see your workings for this argument.

Don't encourage him/her.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on February 27, 2016, 04:55:40 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 04:17:31 PM
Talks the talk but shit team selection again today and no '' he doesn't have anyone else'' doesn't wash with me. He does, it's his choice not to utilise younger players. Not sure how losing all the time is going to do us any good, he'll walk anyway, I doubt he's even that bothered now apart from his reputation.
Give some names ? Who in our squad does he put on the pitch?

I've been through this before.

Lyden
Green
Gardner shouldn't have been loaned out again
Calder
Kinsella
Sellars

Or we can just keep on as we are. I've seen managers publicly call players out before but what is the point if they're all going to play the next game? As an example Mahrez said he was dropped earlier in the season because Ranieri said he didn't work hard enough, well our manager basically says our players aren't trying there best and it's a struggle but they can keep their places in the team anyway.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 27, 2016, 07:15:21 PM
Ultimately, I think Garde realises that we have such a bunch of arrogant, cant-be-arsed ****** on our books, there's not a great deal he can do with them.

Look at the fucking shambles we are: Charles N'Zogbia with his "why should I work off the ball?" nonsense, Lescott tweeting pictures of his monstrously expensive car after we've just had our heaviest home defeat in 81 years, Gabby with his big man, screw-the-haters after he's notched his first goal in fucking ages, Micah Richards acting like he is doing us a favour just playing for us....

We are an absolute fucking basket case of a club at the moment, and I honestly think there's nothing to do with these ******.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 27, 2016, 07:18:22 PM
Paulie Walnuts is the solution they deserve.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve kirk on February 27, 2016, 07:33:46 PM
Quote from: LTA on February 27, 2016, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: passport1 on February 27, 2016, 04:48:55 PM
Nice bloke, poor manager.Daft appointment.

Think I'd prefer Terry Connor over this cowardly idiot. 

Please explain your reasoning behind that comment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 27, 2016, 07:36:03 PM
After what Garde said about the commitment and attitude of players this week I think the fact only one player was dropped from the starting eleven last week speaks volumes about our current captain.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Witton Warrior on February 27, 2016, 07:48:07 PM
Getting concerned about this nice guy the saintly RG - he has basically told the team they aren't good enough and, worse for a professional footballer, not trying then expects them to produce something? Naïve at best - chucking them under a bus (ring any bells?) at worst...

He'll be gone in the Summer - doesn't need the job and doesn't seem bothered. I don't buy this cool, calm and collected nice-guy façade - IMHO he doesn't give a toss
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 27, 2016, 07:51:49 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2016, 05:10:15 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on February 27, 2016, 04:42:51 PM
It didn't do Man Utd any harm throwing a kid on the other night.

There is a massive, massive difference between throwing on a kid in a European cup tie at home versus into the hell that is a relegation battle.

Not sure we're in a battle.

Or if we are, it's a mismatch.

Like a legion of Juian Clarys armed to the teeth with water pistols and accessories against the might of the Red Army. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 27, 2016, 07:54:20 PM
I suspect Remi Garde is sending a message to Lerner, Fox and Hollis.  He is playing the team they have forced on him.  He does not want to put at risk the careers of young players by making them fight hopeless battles the owner and the board have brought on themselves.  It is payback for hanging him out to dry in January.  If Remi stays he will present Steve Hollis with a shopping list that will make him shit his pants.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 07:59:33 PM
If Garde stays I'll be amazed. He'd be wanting another 10 players in the summer and the cronies aren't going to finance that.

We will downgrade on the manager and therefor downgrade on the transfers, it will be a Championship manager with his eyes on Championship bargains. He will be asked to do better with some of the players we have got too. Gabby will start next season with Gestede as our strike force, it would be very surprising but also nice if it wasn't the case.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 27, 2016, 07:59:46 PM
Hollis will try to penny pinch in the summer because his appointment was to cut costs.  Remi will walk and all those who do not like having an articulate, multi lingual, thoughtful, dignified manager will get somebody more to their taste.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 27, 2016, 08:08:01 PM
Humiliated 6-0 at home, called out by their manager and they 'respond' with a performance like that. Says it all about too many of our players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 27, 2016, 08:10:37 PM
We are next season's Bolton in the making. Rome is burning...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 27, 2016, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 27, 2016, 07:59:46 PM
Hollis will try to penny pinch in the summer because his appointment was to cut costs.  Remi will walk and all those who do not like having an articulate, multi lingual, thoughtful, dignified manager will get somebody more to their taste.
With respect, that is unfair.
All of those attributes you mention are admirable.
But, this is a results business. Remi has not achieved anywhere near the results that should have been expected given the amount of time he has had.
And yes, we all know he has a basket case of a squad, has been hamstrung in the transfer market and has been fighting fires since day 1.
But, no one can say with any certainty that he is the right man to take us forward, or to get us out of the championship quickly.
The bloke could be given £100 million to spend in the summer, but we have seen very little that suggests he will be a success.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on February 27, 2016, 08:16:09 PM
I'm not totally against Garde but if we had shown more up to the end of window, maybe he would have been backed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 08:18:19 PM
2 wins in 16 and only 11 goals. It's not good. I like him but the results have still be shite as have the performances, the dead cat bounce was more of a slightly twitching corpse.

It's alright them all having their own personal wars at the club over what has happened and writing the season off but us fans have another 3 months of this and it's gut wrenching at the moment. I've never felt anywhere near as low about football as I do this season. I hate the game, there's not a single player I feel I can connect to or get behind like a hero.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 27, 2016, 08:27:01 PM
He really needs to blood the kids as playing the same faces is getting him and us nowhere. No-one is expecting them to fly up the league  but i'd rather put them in now then wait till the championship next season. Hopefully 3 or 4 will show some promise and provide some optimism for the fans and prove he can motivate players with the right attitude
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mattjpa on February 27, 2016, 08:31:41 PM
Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on February 27, 2016, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: LTA on February 27, 2016, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: passport1 on February 27, 2016, 04:48:55 PM
Nice bloke, poor manager.Daft appointment.

Think I'd prefer Terry Connor over this cowardly idiot. 

I'd be interested to see your workings for this argument.

Opinions truly are like arseholes. And giving people the Internet to vent them is like giving said arsehole a laxative vindaloo
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 27, 2016, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 27, 2016, 08:27:01 PM
He really needs to blood the kids as playing the same feaces getting him and us nowhere. No-one is expecting them to fly up the league  but i'd rather put them in now that wait till the championship next season. Hopefully 3 or 4 will show some promise and provide some optimism for the fans and prove he can motivate players with the right attitude

Edited for you sir.


And I agree.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 27, 2016, 08:37:18 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on February 27, 2016, 08:31:41 PM
Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on February 27, 2016, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: LTA on February 27, 2016, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: passport1 on February 27, 2016, 04:48:55 PM
Nice bloke, poor manager.Daft appointment.

Think I'd prefer Terry Connor over this cowardly idiot. 

I'd be interested to see your workings for this argument.

Opinions truly are like arseholes. And giving people the Internet to vent them is like giving said arsehole a laxative vindaloo

It's Stripey logic. Pick the most lamentable manager from your arch rivals, or who were your arch rivals before you became big time (stop laughing back there), and suggest him over the current encumbent at your real arch rivals now, whilst masquerading as one of them.

What a wit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 27, 2016, 08:41:26 PM
Why wasn't he/she watching his/her team this evening?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tony Erdington on February 27, 2016, 08:47:00 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 08:18:19 PM
2 wins in 16 and only 11 goals. It's not good. I like him but the results have still be shite as have the performances, the dead cat bounce was more of a slightly twitching corpse.

It's alright them all having their own personal wars at the club over what has happened and writing the season off but us fans have another 3 months of this and it's gut wrenching at the moment. I've never felt anywhere near as low about football as I do this season. I hate the game, there's not a single player I feel I can connect to or get behind like a hero.

I agree with aj2k77

I think there is more chance of us playing warsaw the season after next more than restating ourselves as premiership relegation favourites.

I really don't like lerner
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 27, 2016, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on February 27, 2016, 08:47:00 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 08:18:19 PM
2 wins in 16 and only 11 goals. It's not good. I like him but the results have still be shite as have the performances, the dead cat bounce was more of a slightly twitching corpse.

It's alright them all having their own personal wars at the club over what has happened and writing the season off but us fans have another 3 months of this and it's gut wrenching at the moment. I've never felt anywhere near as low about football as I do this season. I hate the game, there's not a single player I feel I can connect to or get behind like a hero.

I agree with aj2k77

I think there is more chance of us playing warsaw the season after next more than restating ourselves as premiership relegation favourites.

I really don't like lerner

Woo hoo, dust off the passports, the only way is up!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on February 27, 2016, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on February 27, 2016, 08:47:00 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 08:18:19 PM
2 wins in 16 and only 11 goals. It's not good. I like him but the results have still be shite as have the performances, the dead cat bounce was more of a slightly twitching corpse.

It's alright them all having their own personal wars at the club over what has happened and writing the season off but us fans have another 3 months of this and it's gut wrenching at the moment. I've never felt anywhere near as low about football as I do this season. I hate the game, there's not a single player I feel I can connect to or get behind like a hero.

I agree with aj2k77

I think there is more chance of us playing warsaw the season after next more than restating ourselves as premiership relegation favourites.

I really don't like lerner

We are being transferred to the Ekstraklasa for our transgressions?  Holy cow.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on February 27, 2016, 09:30:09 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 27, 2016, 07:54:20 PM
I suspect Remi Garde is sending a message to Lerner, Fox and Hollis.  He is playing the team they have forced on him.  He does not want to put at risk the careers of young players by making them fight hopeless battles the owner and the board have brought on themselves.  It is payback for hanging him out to dry in January.  If Remi stays he will present Steve Hollis with a shopping list that will make him shit his pants.

Bang on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 09:30:55 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on February 27, 2016, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on February 27, 2016, 08:47:00 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 08:18:19 PM
2 wins in 16 and only 11 goals. It's not good. I like him but the results have still be shite as have the performances, the dead cat bounce was more of a slightly twitching corpse.

It's alright them all having their own personal wars at the club over what has happened and writing the season off but us fans have another 3 months of this and it's gut wrenching at the moment. I've never felt anywhere near as low about football as I do this season. I hate the game, there's not a single player I feel I can connect to or get behind like a hero.

I agree with aj2k77

I think there is more chance of us playing warsaw the season after next more than restating ourselves as premiership relegation favourites.

I really don't like lerner

We are being transferred to the Ekstraklasa for our transgressions?  Holy cow.

They can't deport us can they?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 27, 2016, 09:35:45 PM
Quote from: ez on February 27, 2016, 09:30:09 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 27, 2016, 07:54:20 PM
I suspect Remi Garde is sending a message to Lerner, Fox and Hollis.  He is playing the team they have forced on him.  He does not want to put at risk the careers of young players by making them fight hopeless battles the owner and the board have brought on themselves.  It is payback for hanging him out to dry in January.  If Remi stays he will present Steve Hollis with a shopping list that will make him shit his pants.

Bang on.

If he presents Hollis with a shopping list the club won't sanction then, he won't get them. What is Remi going to do? stamp his feet a bit? Resign and forfeit a pay-off? He has no leverage at all
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 27, 2016, 09:37:30 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 09:30:55 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on February 27, 2016, 08:50:55 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on February 27, 2016, 08:47:00 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 08:18:19 PM
2 wins in 16 and only 11 goals. It's not good. I like him but the results have still be shite as have the performances, the dead cat bounce was more of a slightly twitching corpse.

It's alright them all having their own personal wars at the club over what has happened and writing the season off but us fans have another 3 months of this and it's gut wrenching at the moment. I've never felt anywhere near as low about football as I do this season. I hate the game, there's not a single player I feel I can connect to or get behind like a hero.

I agree with aj2k77

I think there is more chance of us playing warsaw the season after next more than restating ourselves as premiership relegation favourites.

I really don't like lerner

We are being transferred to the Ekstraklasa for our transgressions?  Holy cow.

They can't deport us can they?

Not until Boris and Gove get their way in June.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on February 27, 2016, 09:49:06 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 27, 2016, 09:35:45 PM
Quote from: ez on February 27, 2016, 09:30:09 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 27, 2016, 07:54:20 PM
I suspect Remi Garde is sending a message to Lerner, Fox and Hollis.  He is playing the team they have forced on him.  He does not want to put at risk the careers of young players by making them fight hopeless battles the owner and the board have brought on themselves.  It is payback for hanging him out to dry in January.  If Remi stays he will present Steve Hollis with a shopping list that will make him shit his pants.

Bang on.

If he presents Hollis with a shopping list the club won't sanction then, he won't get them. What is Remi going to do? stamp his feet a bit? Resign and forfeit a pay-off? He has no leverage at all

I expect he would walk, and tell it like it is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 27, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
Quote from: ez on February 27, 2016, 09:49:06 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 27, 2016, 09:35:45 PM
Quote from: ez on February 27, 2016, 09:30:09 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 27, 2016, 07:54:20 PM
I suspect Remi Garde is sending a message to Lerner, Fox and Hollis.  He is playing the team they have forced on him.  He does not want to put at risk the careers of young players by making them fight hopeless battles the owner and the board have brought on themselves.  It is payback for hanging him out to dry in January.  If Remi stays he will present Steve Hollis with a shopping list that will make him shit his pants.

Bang on.

If he presents Hollis with a shopping list the club won't sanction then, he won't get them. What is Remi going to do? stamp his feet a bit? Resign and forfeit a pay-off? He has no leverage at all

I expect he would walk, and tell it like it is.


Would they care? Hardly going to make them less popular is it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 27, 2016, 09:53:50 PM
I quite like the man but he has to stop picking Bacuna and Westwood otherwise I will start to dislike him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr woo on February 27, 2016, 09:57:10 PM
I don't expect Garde to he here next year,  whatever the circumstances.

Personally I won't be too upset. Even West Brom realised Pepe Mel wasn't up to the job before it was too late.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 09:58:54 PM
I've said this a few times during the last few years now but this is not a job for someone to cut their teeth on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 27, 2016, 10:11:41 PM
We haven't shown an improvement in results or performances since he arrived and even those that support him can't really argue with that. Only the cause. If it's the players not being good enough then he's fucked because most will still be here next season. if he can't motivate them or they don't like him, then he's still fucked because most will still be here next season. Billy McNeill Mk2. Lets just hope there's a SGT MK2 waiting in the wings
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lky on February 27, 2016, 10:16:25 PM
Is Remi Garde up to the job ??

Well no one can blame him for our current predicament.
BUT, but what has he done that me or you couldn't have done in ?

That's a serious question.

He persists in playing the same players, bar Bunn for Guzan.
He persists in playing the same formation that has failed for 5 years
He cant motivate the current players
He hasn't signed any players (ok I don't blame him for this - just saying)

If I was manager I believe I could have done as well as Garde.

I'm not actually advocating sacking him as I honestly don't know whether he is the right man or not.

What's he done, at Villa, that makes you believe he is the man for next season ?


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on February 27, 2016, 10:52:09 PM
Quote from: Lky on February 27, 2016, 10:16:25 PM
Is Remi Garde up to the job ??

Well no one can blame him for our current predicament.
BUT, but what has he done that me or you couldn't have done in ?

That's a serious question.

He persists in playing the same players, bar Bunn for Guzan.
He persists in playing the same formation that has failed for 5 years
He cant motivate the current players
He hasn't signed any players (ok I don't blame him for this - just saying)

If I was manager I believe I could have done as well as Garde.

I'm not actually advocating sacking him as I honestly don't know whether he is the right man or not.

What's he done, at Villa, that makes you believe he is the man for next season ?

I'll answer the question when you advise that what qualifications do you have to suggest you could have done as well as Garde?

Also what you would have done in your professional capacity to be able to glean the points from opponents?  Are you a qualified professional football coach? What is your record?
How would you have motivated and managed the players, many of whom pick up a pay check and have zero professional integrity?

Let me know how you would have done as well.

One final question do you like Bitter?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 28, 2016, 12:41:06 AM
I do wonder about the approach Garde is taking with regard to making comments very publicly regarding quality. That he's saying to all that the quality of the players isn't good enough. Now, let's not kid ourselves he's not wrong. We are where we are in large part down to that. But right now, when the manager should be pumping up the players to believe in themselves is that having a counter productive effect? Or is it more a message to his employers about the state of play heading into next season? That without serious investment this situation won't get better any time soon?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 28, 2016, 01:10:05 AM
I think he has already decided he is going in May and doesn't care who he upsets now. The board won't sack him with the distinct chance he will walk or take a low settlement come May, already know we are down, so are simply letting us bob about until then.

Garde won't be here next season. Hopefully some of the board won't either.

I think his open season on the players, however right, is misjudged, and he looks about as motivated as they do since the window closed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 28, 2016, 01:42:27 AM
I can't ever recall a club that seems to show as little fight as we have this season, bottom of the table, most goals conceded, fewest Kms covered over the pitch, no new manager bounce, not a single new signing in the window. A shameful surrender.

I know someone finishes bottom every year but the collective lack of fight and general disinterest shown throughout the club, from boardroom to manager to club captain to players is unbelievable.

The fans are great but this club deserve everything they are getting.  I've no time for any of them at all.



Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 28, 2016, 01:46:29 AM
Well said OzVilla.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 28, 2016, 02:45:03 AM
I can't remember ever feeling such a gulf between the players and the fans. There isn't a single player whose departure would sadden me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 28, 2016, 03:49:57 AM
So we have a bunch of overpaid under achievers, many that are on contracts that gives them no motivation to leave. I bet there is a lack of relegation clauses.
A manager who looks like he is going through the motions until the end of the season.
It is difficult to think of a worse predicament, there again we have next season to think about.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 04:05:38 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on February 28, 2016, 03:49:57 AM
So we have a bunch of overpaid under achievers, many that are on contracts that gives them no motivation to leave. I bet there is a lack of relegation clauses.

I think anyone we've signed in the last year or so will have a clause, those before that possibly not. We'll be stuck with Gabby, that's for sure!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: croatian on February 28, 2016, 04:23:51 AM
In the months and years to come, we might find out what the root cause of this cluster-fuck is, apart from RL that is.
It can't just be Remi, the team were gash under previous managers.
Is it a poisonous mix of toxic personalities within the squad? Or an atmosphere engendered from above? Or both?
I don't know, but with what footballers and their weekly lottery wins cost, clubs need to look beyond their ability: character and personality, mental stability etc must be examined.

Mind you, signing players with ability would be a good place to start.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on February 28, 2016, 05:13:35 AM
I think you've probably answered your own question in the last line. I can only think of one genuinely, consistently gifted player who we signed in the last five years and the supporters of his current club think he's wank.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 28, 2016, 06:42:14 AM
How the hell have we reached this point, we have players who hate the manager and do not want to play for him, by the sounds of it a manager that hates half the players and does not want to pick them, but has to, then a manager sending messages of how crap we are and I have no options because you would not back me to the board, if this was happening down small heath or smethwick we would be pissing ourselves.
One thing that needs highlighting from all who says playing the kids is not the answer, or at least part of the answer, if Adama was fit we would be screaming for his inclusion, but lets remember he is only 19, if you are going to put them on the bench, do not, unless you are ready to use them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 28, 2016, 08:09:25 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on February 27, 2016, 10:52:09 PM
Quote from: Lky on February 27, 2016, 10:16:25 PM
Is Remi Garde up to the job ??

Well no one can blame him for our current predicament.
BUT, but what has he done that me or you couldn't have done in ?

That's a serious question.

He persists in playing the same players, bar Bunn for Guzan.
He persists in playing the same formation that has failed for 5 years
He cant motivate the current players
He hasn't signed any players (ok I don't blame him for this - just saying)

If I was manager I believe I could have done as well as Garde.

I'm not actually advocating sacking him as I honestly don't know whether he is the right man or not.

What's he done, at Villa, that makes you believe he is the man for next season ?

I'll answer the question when you advise that what qualifications do you have to suggest you could have done as well as Garde?

Also what you would have done in your professional capacity to be able to glean the points from opponents?  Are you a qualified professional football coach? What is your record?
How would you have motivated and managed the players, many of whom pick up a pay check and have zero professional integrity?

Let me know how you would have done as well.

One final question do you like Bitter?

done as well as garde?

2 wins in what 16 games, a massive minus gd and our heaviest home defeat in 81 years and the same old repetitive shit week in week out

jesus i would hate to see what garde doing badly would look like
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on February 28, 2016, 08:27:23 AM
Quote from: croatian on February 28, 2016, 04:23:51 AM
In the months and years to come, we might find out what the root cause of this cluster-fuck is, apart from RL that is.
It can't just be Remi, the team were gash under previous managers.
Is it a poisonous mix of toxic personalities within the squad? Or an atmosphere engendered from above? Or both?
I don't know, but with what footballers and their weekly lottery wins cost, clubs need to look beyond their ability: character and personality, mental stability etc must be examined.

Mind you, signing players with ability would be a good place to start.

It's a toxic organisation. As in all such cases, that toxicity will spread to every member of the organisation. The good ones all leave alongside some bad ones, leaving behind the feckless, the disinterested and the downright poisonous. This isn't just a bad set of players. Nobody at the club can be arsed, and it all begins with the cowardly owner.

The thing that really irks me is that if this were happening to a club like Arsenal or Liverpool, there would be a sense of outrage among the media and sheer fury from the fans. How dare this great institution be wrecked like this? Here it's ridicule, shoulder shrugging and a bit of gallows humour. What will be will be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2016, 08:32:07 AM
It looks to me like Garde knows he won't be here next season, so on that basis appears to have given up just as much as the players.  Wrong man at the wrong time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on February 28, 2016, 09:09:58 AM
Apart from the financial problems and the absence of the club, his psycholohical and technique incapacity to guide and improve the team is amazing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 09:10:19 AM
Get rid of Garde and hire the swearing at the team bus nutter, it's the only response we've had from the players all season. This civil war between players and manager is a disgrace to the clubs name, they all should be ashamed of themselves, Garde isn't coming out smelling of roses either, this isn't the way to run the team and if you have told me when he joined that it would be 2 wins in 16 and him telling the media theyre all useless, lasy and shit and then keep picking them I'd have asked what's the point, It's only adding to the toxic atmosphere.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 28, 2016, 09:13:09 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on February 28, 2016, 06:42:14 AM
How the hell have we reached this point, we have players who hate the manager and do not want to play for him, by the sounds of it a manager that hates half the players and does not want to pick them, but has to, then a manager sending messages of how crap we are and I have no options because you would not back me to the board, if this was happening down small heath or smethwick we would be pissing ourselves.
One thing that needs highlighting from all who says playing the kids is not the answer, or at least part of the answer, if Adama was fit we would be screaming for his inclusion, but lets remember he is only 19, if you are going to put them on the bench, do not, unless you are ready to use them.


Perhaps this is what the so called investigation by the consultants is about. Oh, and why Lerner appointed Hollis and told us he was good at sorting out, was it 'embattled' organisations? We really are in a shit state aren't we? No unity whatsoever.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 28, 2016, 09:23:19 AM
To be fair Newby, from the outside looking in, Garde had not been here long enough for him to have been at that time lumped with the non-working parts of the club, i have no doubt that was one of Holis requirements, but I feel the football side was not his main concern, if it was, what background was he working from, it is very true, football is not like any other business.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on February 28, 2016, 09:33:34 AM
Garde's recent public comments are a bit reminiscent of Sherwood's 'Nothing to do with me Guv' style statements. Though unlike Sherwood, you can't really blame him for that. The board gave up on him, the players have obviously given up on him, so no wonder Remi is now thinking of his own future and has rolled out his own exit strategy so the stain of relegation doesn't become a permanent mark on his reputation (which it really shouldn't be to be fair).

So, the narrative behind Villa's relegation will become a story of an uncommitted playing staff lacking in quality (fair enough), and an owner/board who wouldn't back his judgement (which is why he keeps playing the same shit team, no matter what). Then he can leave at the end of the season with his head held high and a pay off in his back pocket.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 28, 2016, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on February 28, 2016, 09:33:34 AM
Garde's recent public comments are a bit reminiscent of Sherwood's 'Nothing to do with me Guv' style statements. Though unlike Sherwood, you can't really blame him for that. The board gave up on him, the players have obviously given up on him, so no wonder Remi is now thinking of his own future and has rolled out his own exit strategy so the stain of relegation doesn't become a permanent mark on his reputation (which it really shouldn't be to be fair).

So, the narrative behind Villa's relegation will become a story of an uncommitted playing staff lacking in quality (fair enough), and an owner/board who wouldn't back his judgement (which is why he keeps playing the same shit team, no matter what). Then he can leave at the end of the season with his head held high and a pay off in his back pocket.



I don't think anyone will come out of this shambles at the end of the season with their head held high, apart from the Villa fans
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 28, 2016, 09:44:55 AM
I really dont understand why Remi Garde has not resigned in the past week. Opinion is beginning to change slightly on his managerial capabilities and that is unfair considering what utter rubbish he has had to put up with. He should go this week so they can put Kevin Macdonald back in the hot seat. That is if he is still there!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on February 28, 2016, 09:47:31 AM
A very poor appointment
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on February 28, 2016, 09:49:05 AM
Kevin MacDonald!! He has been a staggeringly bad Caretaker twice already.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on February 28, 2016, 09:49:23 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on February 28, 2016, 09:44:55 AM
I really dont understand why Remi Garde has not resigned in the past week. Opinion is beginning to change slightly on his managerial capabilities and that is unfair considering what utter rubbish he has had to put up with. He should go this week so they can put Kevin Macdonald back in the hot seat. That is if he is still there!

Macdonald!? No chance. His selection against Southampton and Spurs showed where his loyalty is.
Time for a clear out.

I'd bring in Moyes to start the rebuilding.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 28, 2016, 09:50:00 AM
I think he is a decent manager and will prove it elsewhere.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2016, 09:52:50 AM
Last season we had Sherwood who could fire the team up a bit but hadn't even got his Cub Scouts coaching badge. This season we've got Garde who knows how football should be played, but whose idea of motivation is to sulk in the corner smoking a Gauloise and tell everybody they're shit.  Brilliant.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte L2 on February 28, 2016, 09:54:54 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 28, 2016, 09:50:00 AM
I think he is a decent manager and will prove it elsewhere.

I do too. Good manager, just not for us at present.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 28, 2016, 09:56:08 AM
Risso, have a look at the Lerner page and my post on there, would this be possible for Lerner to do without it being public knowledge??
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on February 28, 2016, 09:58:57 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on February 28, 2016, 09:50:00 AM
I think he is a decent manager and will prove it elsewhere.

Not sure what the evidence is for that. He has been another example of our horrific recruitment policy.

Rip it up and start again from top to bottom
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CJ on February 28, 2016, 10:00:10 AM
With his comments in the week and after the game yesterday about a lack of quality and commitment, I think Garde is paving the way for his departure at the end of the season. He walked into an omnishambles maelstrom of shit, from a disinterested owner, a board with a shirt salesman as CEO and bean counter as Chairman, others promoted above their pay grade as archetypal examples of the Peter Principle, right down to poor quality players or others content to pick up ludicrous salaries without having to even pretend to act like professionals. I'd love to see him stay, bring in his own staff, have a clear-out of players and build his own team, but the board have already stitched him up once and, having stated that 'spending money is not the solution', they won't back him anyway. The club needs root and branch surgery at every level, but until Lerner goes I really fear things will get a lot worse before they even show a glimmer of getting better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 28, 2016, 10:05:43 AM
Quote from: Holte L2 on February 28, 2016, 09:49:23 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on February 28, 2016, 09:44:55 AM
I really dont understand why Remi Garde has not resigned in the past week. Opinion is beginning to change slightly on his managerial capabilities and that is unfair considering what utter rubbish he has had to put up with. He should go this week so they can put Kevin Macdonald back in the hot seat. That is if he is still there!

Macdonald!? No chance. His selection against Southampton and Spurs showed where his loyalty is.
Time for a clear out.

I'd bring in Moyes to start the rebuilding.

Think about it!  Garde resigns and they save on his wages. They put Macdonald or Cowans in charge as we are already down and once again they don't have to use Lerners money which will please him very much. Savings galore for the boys in charge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2016, 10:15:01 AM
Quote from: LeeB on February 27, 2016, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on February 27, 2016, 08:47:00 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 27, 2016, 08:18:19 PM
2 wins in 16 and only 11 goals. It's not good. I like him but the results have still be shite as have the performances, the dead cat bounce was more of a slightly twitching corpse.

It's alright them all having their own personal wars at the club over what has happened and writing the season off but us fans have another 3 months of this and it's gut wrenching at the moment. I've never felt anywhere near as low about football as I do this season. I hate the game, there's not a single player I feel I can connect to or get behind like a hero.

I agree with aj2k77

I think there is more chance of us playing warsaw the season after next more than restating ourselves as premiership relegation favourites.

I really don't like lerner

Woo hoo, dust off the passports, the only way is up!

From relegation fights
to European nights!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on February 28, 2016, 10:15:18 AM
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Last season we had Sherwood who could fire the team up a bit but hadn't even got his Cub Scouts coaching badge. This season we've got Garde who knows how football should be played, but whose idea of motivation is to sulk in the corner smoking a Gauloise and tell everybody they're shit.

Agreed.

Garde is just to conservative/risk adverse to cut it. You have to take risks. Some fall; some succeed. Sherwood got lucky (and then found out) but least he was 'brave' enough to get the likes of Grealish in the team. In other words, he took a gamble and gave a kid a chance to impress. Garde hasn't done that at all. Perhaps he hasn't got another Grealish (of last season) on the bench...but if he doesn't try, he'll never know.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 10:23:23 AM
He's turning in to another waste of time and money now. Anyone can sit there and tell everyone they're shit, do nothing about it and say it isn't my fault. There's no point to this relationship right now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on February 28, 2016, 10:41:34 AM
I thought he was a poor appointment at the start, but he's won me over and I believe he should be given time to rebuild the team, albeit with limited money for a promotion push next season. Alas, I think he's already made up his mind to go and he may even walk if we suffer another big beating at home on Tuesday. I wouldn't blame him one bit if he did.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 10:42:40 AM
I feel for the bloke. He's the only manager in recent years who hasn't been able to bring his own players in. Yes, we maybe should have won a few more games than we have and he'll probably admit that himself. The players deserve the majority of the blame though. What do you expect him to say when they throw in a performance like they did against Liverpool? We go again?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 28, 2016, 10:51:12 AM
i feel slighty for garde but his snivelling is starting to piss me off and he would be getting what 20k a week so im sure that softens the blow of how shit we are

he has given up, oh the players are shit but ill still pick them and persevere with the same old bollocks that has worked twice in 16 games

time for him to put up or shut up
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on February 28, 2016, 10:53:09 AM
I like his straight talking. Lambert's "I thought we were excellent" really used to grind my gears.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Bad English on February 28, 2016, 11:00:15 AM
Quote from: LeeB on February 27, 2016, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on February 27, 2016, 08:27:01 PM
He really needs to blood the kids as playing the same feaces getting him and us nowhere.

Edited for you sir.


And I agree.

Faeces

Edited for you sir.

As a shithouse thread poster I couldn't let this pass.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on February 28, 2016, 10:51:12 AM
i feel slighty for garde but his snivelling is starting to piss me off and he would be getting what 20k a week so im sure that softens the blow of how shit we are

he has given up, oh the players are shit but ill still pick them and persevere with the same old bollocks that has worked twice in 16 games

time for him to put up or shut up

I thought he might have picked a couple of the younger players yesterday but I can kind of understand why he didn't. Mind you, other than the young kid Davis and Lyden, he probably hasn't got a great deal of choice.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on February 28, 2016, 11:17:42 AM
I wouldn't be throwing the kids in to this shitstorm. Nothing would give these lazy shysters more pleasure than having Saturdays off to go shopping leaving the kids to play at Stoke. I'd be making them actually earn their money between now and seasons end before fucking all but about 3 or 4 off. 

Did anyone else notice Gabby bottle out of that header in the 2nd half, im sorry but the blokes an absolute tosser.  But incredibly we gave him a long contract and made him Captain.

In the future book "The fall of the Villa empire"  I wonder how prominent Gabby will be in the behind the scenes shenanigans.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 28, 2016, 11:19:10 AM
I am beginning to doubt M. Garde. I accept that he came here as a sincere ,methodical football coach who wanted to prove himself before moving on to bigger and better jobs. To me that was good and I wanted him to stay on post relegation and rebuild us into a force again.
However his recent statements baffle me. Why talk about commitment to the media when it's actually his job to motivate and gain commitment?
Why talk about "lack of quality" when you know that you are at the moment limited to this squad and it's his job to work around the lack of quality and devise the tactics that would best suit the players he has?

It now appears to me that he is looking for an exist by means of being sacked after the Club management sorry muppets  become convinced that he is not the man to lead us back into the PL. This way he protects his reputation somewhat and also walks away with his contract settled in full.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on February 28, 2016, 11:23:49 AM
Quote from: olaftab on February 28, 2016, 11:19:10 AM
I am beginning to doubt M. Garde. I accept that he came here as a sincere ,methodical football coach who wanted to prove himself before moving on to bigger and better jobs. To me that was good and I wanted him to stay on post relegation and rebuild us into a force again.
However his recent statements baffle me. Why talk about commitment to the media when it's actually his job to motivate and gain commitment?
Why talk about "lack of quality" when you know that you are at the moment limited to this squad and it's his job to work around the lack of quality and devise the tactics that would best suit the players he has?

It now appears to me that he is looking for an exist by means of being sacked after the Club management sorry muppets  become convinced that he is not the man to lead us back into the PL. This way he protects his reputation somewhat and also walks away with his contract settled in full.

I think this is exactly how I am beginning to feel, too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on February 28, 2016, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on February 28, 2016, 08:27:23 AM
The thing that really irks me is that if this were happening to a club like Arsenal or Liverpool, there would be a sense of outrage among the media and sheer fury from the fans. How dare this great institution be wrecked like this? Here it's ridicule, shoulder shrugging and a bit of gallows humour. What will be will be.
Probably because it's been going on for five-six years now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rico on February 28, 2016, 11:26:21 AM
What the hell was the point in giving Garde the job if the board weren't going to back him in January? They might as well of just stuck with Tim Sherwood for all the good it's done, and at least the club would have been spared the pay-off from Tim's contract.

I don't know if Garde is good or not, but I feel that the gap between AVFC and its fans is growing wider with each day. What we need now is something or someone to unite the club and fans as a whole, something that I feel Sherwood would have been better at than Garde.

We all know that we are as good as relegated, but we need to turn defeat into victory, to rally the fans. After Dunkirk Churchill galvanized the nation into believing that our darkest hour was in fact a great victory - hence the Dunkirk spirit. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that we may have lost the battle, but the war is far from over, and this is the message that the club should be trying to convey instead of the wall of silence from Hollis and Fox and the finger pointing from Garde. ( please forgive the comparison of war to football - just trying to make the point that even in the grimmest of times there can be a flicker of hope.)

I feel that this is where Garde is going wrong. As fans we need some hope, and I would be quite happy never to see most of the current first team never pulling on the famous claret and blue again. Ditch them Remi - they're rubbish! You know it, we know it, they probably know it. They've had two thirds of the season to prove us wrong. They're not good enough and they're not going to become good enough over night. In fact some of them might welcome being taken out of the firing line.

Make a grand gesture! Drop the whole first team! Play the reserves. I actually think it would lift the spirits of the fans and the club. I don't believe that we as fans would criticise them, on the contrary I believe it would raise our spirits and get an atmosphere of positivity going that could unite the club and show the world that we are still alive and not going down with a whimper.

The battle is lost, but the war is far from over!

UTV & VTID
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on February 28, 2016, 11:36:59 AM
For how long before Garde were we saying the squad is better than our position on the table, probably for the last three managers at least.
I think we were deluding ourselves myself probably more than others. We are constantly being beaten by very poor sides without any of the first team looking as though they are better than championship players. Westwood is a prime example, bought up from the lower division but has never looked like a premiership player, we have a squad full of Westwoods.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on February 28, 2016, 11:39:55 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 28, 2016, 11:36:59 AM
For how long before Garde were we saying the squad is better than our position on the table, probably for the last three managers at least.
I think we were deluding ourselves myself probably more than others. We are constantly being beaten by very poor sides without any of the first team looking as though they are better than championship players. Westwood is a prime example, bought up from the lower division but has never looked like a premiership player, we have a squad full of Westwoods.
Well it was better with Benteke, Vlaar, Delph and Cleverley. They were perhaps making the others look better than they are?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 28, 2016, 12:11:12 PM
Just watched the second Stoke goal again on the telly. Bacuna doesn't close down, turns back on the ball, watches as the player sails past him and then literally stands watching. Fucking lazy bastard. That's why we are bottom. Yet Garde still picks him!! Several of them do the same. Scrap all round from top to bottom, including Remi I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 28, 2016, 11:36:59 AM
For how long before Garde were we saying the squad is better than our position on the table, probably for the last three managers at least.
I think we were deluding ourselves myself probably more than others. We are constantly being beaten by very poor sides without any of the first team looking as though they are better than championship players.

But then we have a number of players who have consistently performed a level well below their natural ability, largely due to attitude - Richards, Gabby, N'Zogbia being the three who I'm mostly thinking of. It's no coincidence that these are our senior players. If these three had played at full effort and ability, how much better would the squad look and how many more points would we have? We must have the worst set of senior pros ever, at a time when it should have been them holding the squad together.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 28, 2016, 12:20:22 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 28, 2016, 11:36:59 AM
For how long before Garde were we saying the squad is better than our position on the table, probably for the last three managers at least.
I think we were deluding ourselves myself probably more than others. We are constantly being beaten by very poor sides without any of the first team looking as though they are better than championship players.

But then we have a number of players who have consistently performed a level well below their natural ability, largely due to attitude - Richards, Gabby, N'Zogbia being the three who I'm mostly thinking of. It's no coincidence that these are our senior players. If these three had played at full effort and ability, how much better would the squad look and how many more points would we have? We must have the worst set of senior pros ever, at a time when it should have been them holding the squad together.


I don't think it's down to bad attitude, those 3 players you mentioned are just way past their best. At an ambitious club they would have been shown the door ages ago or not signed at all. They're a symptom of the club's decline, not a cause.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 28, 2016, 12:20:22 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 28, 2016, 11:36:59 AM
For how long before Garde were we saying the squad is better than our position on the table, probably for the last three managers at least.
I think we were deluding ourselves myself probably more than others. We are constantly being beaten by very poor sides without any of the first team looking as though they are better than championship players.

But then we have a number of players who have consistently performed a level well below their natural ability, largely due to attitude - Richards, Gabby, N'Zogbia being the three who I'm mostly thinking of. It's no coincidence that these are our senior players. If these three had played at full effort and ability, how much better would the squad look and how many more points would we have? We must have the worst set of senior pros ever, at a time when it should have been them holding the squad together.


I don't think it's down to bad attitude, those 3 players you mentioned are just way past their best. At an ambitious club they would have been shown the door ages ago or not signed at all. They're a symptom of the club's decline, not a cause.

You don't think N'Zogbia has a bad attitude? Really? At no time in the five years he's robbed money off us he could have put in more effort? This is the man who just weeks ago said on Twitter that he shouldn't have to ever work to get the ball.

Gabby, I'll give you is probably past his best, but could he have done more in terms of conditioning to stop that happening?

In any case, these are the 'top pros' that the younger players, the players bought in from lower leagues have had to look up to. And we wonder why the likes of Westwood, Clark etc haven't really progressed at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
With hindsight no ambitious club would have signed Micah Richards, he'd played 19 league games in 4 years. Part time player, he doesn't have the desire anymore by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on February 28, 2016, 12:49:00 PM
I think Garde needs to be offered the opportunity to start the rebuilding process. Let's face it if he does go there is no predicting who this club is likely to appoint so better to give him the chance to get a few of his own players in and see what he can do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 12:51:51 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
With hindsight no ambitious club would have signed Micah Richards, he'd played 19 league games in 4 years. Part time player, he doesn't have the desire anymore by the looks of it.

Ditto Sinclair. 27 and 26 years old respectively. In terms of ability, more than good enough for a mid table team and in what should be the peak years of their careers. But just can't be bothered.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 28, 2016, 12:54:03 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 28, 2016, 12:20:22 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 28, 2016, 11:36:59 AM
For how long before Garde were we saying the squad is better than our position on the table, probably for the last three managers at least.
I think we were deluding ourselves myself probably more than others. We are constantly being beaten by very poor sides without any of the first team looking as though they are better than championship players.

But then we have a number of players who have consistently performed a level well below their natural ability, largely due to attitude - Richards, Gabby, N'Zogbia being the three who I'm mostly thinking of. It's no coincidence that these are our senior players. If these three had played at full effort and ability, how much better would the squad look and how many more points would we have? We must have the worst set of senior pros ever, at a time when it should have been them holding the squad together.


I don't think it's down to bad attitude, those 3 players you mentioned are just way past their best. At an ambitious club they would have been shown the door ages ago or not signed at all. They're a symptom of the club's decline, not a cause.

You don't think N'Zogbia has a bad attitude? Really? At no time in the five years he's robbed money off us he could have put in more effort? This is the man who just weeks ago said on Twitter that he shouldn't have to ever work to get the ball.

Gabby, I'll give you is probably past his best, but could he have done more in terms of conditioning to stop that happening?

In any case, these are the 'top pros' that the younger players, the players bought in from lower leagues have had to look up to. And we wonder why the likes of Westwood, Clark etc haven't really progressed at all.

I'll tell you why Westwood and co haven't progressed, it's because they're shit and were never good enough for this level. Fans were taken in by the "young and hungry" hype but a blind man could have told you they were out of their depth in the PL. N'Zogbia is just farcical, but isn't he just the last of the 'bomb squad', players who are banished to the reserves because of their high wages?
The whole club is circus.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on February 28, 2016, 01:06:07 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 12:51:51 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
With hindsight no ambitious club would have signed Micah Richards, he'd played 19 league games in 4 years. Part time player, he doesn't have the desire anymore by the looks of it.

Ditto Sinclair. 27 and 26 years old respectively. In terms of ability, more than good enough for a mid table team and in what should be the peak years of their careers. But just can't be bothered.

Hindsight really is a wonderful thing though.  I don't remember too many people complaining about Sinclair and Richard's as signings at the time.  Overall I still think Sinclair has been one of the better recent buys its just his form has dipped due to being part of such a poor side, and the fact that we never seem to play to his strengths.  Richards at the time seemed a logical buy, but has been a let down.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 28, 2016, 01:08:14 PM
By the same token had the club signed Vardy and Mahrez for a combined £1.4m couldn't the same have been said about the ambition of the club or the quality of the players? How do you truly know the value of the players until they have had a chance to prove themselves? That we know Westwood (for example) isn't good enough is a combination of the player himself but also the constant flux and change in coaching he's had. He's now on his 3rd manager and constant relegation battle. He's played a part in that but it has to have affected his development and that of other players. Take Albrighton as the opposite example. A player few were upset to see go get has excelled in a very positive environment and under a very experienced coach. Westwood wasn't always a bad player but he hasn't improved or developed as he should have, and has probably regressed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 01:16:26 PM
Take Bacuna as an example. He's atrocious now. If he stepped up to take a free kick now would anyone expect anything else other than him hitting the wall or someone in the upper Holte? Whatever has been going on at the training ground the last few years isn't right.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 28, 2016, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 01:16:26 PM
Take Bacuna as an example. He's atrocious now. If he stepped up to take a free kick now would anyone expect anything else other than him hitting the wall or someone in the upper Holte? Whatever has been going on at the training ground the last few years isn't right.

That's exactly my point. He was never this bad. Nobody was criticizing him to this level last season for example. But the circumstances have probably taken a toll on him too and he's a shadow of the player he was and the player he could have become. The problems all through the club have contributed to the players not only not being good enough but becoming a mirror image of lack of direction and care from those who run the club, most certainly the owner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 01:40:00 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on February 28, 2016, 01:06:07 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 12:51:51 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
With hindsight no ambitious club would have signed Micah Richards, he'd played 19 league games in 4 years. Part time player, he doesn't have the desire anymore by the looks of it.

Ditto Sinclair. 27 and 26 years old respectively. In terms of ability, more than good enough for a mid table team and in what should be the peak years of their careers. But just can't be bothered.

Hindsight really is a wonderful thing though.  I don't remember too many people complaining about Sinclair and Richard's as signings at the time.  Overall I still think Sinclair has been one of the better recent buys its just his form has dipped due to being part of such a poor side, and the fact that we never seem to play to his strengths.  Richards at the time seemed a logical buy, but has been a let down.

Oh, absolutely. I thought they would both be great signings. But examples of the point I'm trying to make that our senior players in no way live up to their actual ability.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 01:42:25 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 28, 2016, 12:54:03 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 12:45:37 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on February 28, 2016, 12:20:22 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 28, 2016, 12:14:23 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on February 28, 2016, 11:36:59 AM
For how long before Garde were we saying the squad is better than our position on the table, probably for the last three managers at least.
I think we were deluding ourselves myself probably more than others. We are constantly being beaten by very poor sides without any of the first team looking as though they are better than championship players.

But then we have a number of players who have consistently performed a level well below their natural ability, largely due to attitude - Richards, Gabby, N'Zogbia being the three who I'm mostly thinking of. It's no coincidence that these are our senior players. If these three had played at full effort and ability, how much better would the squad look and how many more points would we have? We must have the worst set of senior pros ever, at a time when it should have been them holding the squad together.


I don't think it's down to bad attitude, those 3 players you mentioned are just way past their best. At an ambitious club they would have been shown the door ages ago or not signed at all. They're a symptom of the club's decline, not a cause.

You don't think N'Zogbia has a bad attitude? Really? At no time in the five years he's robbed money off us he could have put in more effort? This is the man who just weeks ago said on Twitter that he shouldn't have to ever work to get the ball.

Gabby, I'll give you is probably past his best, but could he have done more in terms of conditioning to stop that happening?

In any case, these are the 'top pros' that the younger players, the players bought in from lower leagues have had to look up to. And we wonder why the likes of Westwood, Clark etc haven't really progressed at all.

I'll tell you why Westwood and co haven't progressed, it's because they're shit and were never good enough for this level. Fans were taken in by the "young and hungry" hype but a blind man could have told you they were out of their depth in the PL.

When thrown in and expected to instantaneously be first team players yes. Coached properly, with loan spells used properly, with good senior pros to look up to and copy, with consistent management - who knows?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
With hindsight no ambitious club would have signed Micah Richards, he'd played 19 league games in 4 years. Part time player, he doesn't have the desire anymore by the looks of it.

It was lauded as a great piece if business by Sherwood at the time. You can't knock the club just because he hasn't been as good as we thought he would.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 28, 2016, 02:14:51 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
With hindsight no ambitious club would have signed Micah Richards, he'd played 19 league games in 4 years. Part time player, he doesn't have the desire anymore by the looks of it.

It was lauded as a great piece if business by Sherwood at the time. You can't knock the club just because he hasn't been as good as we thought he would.

And in addition to that we were all saying how quiet our dressing room was and we needed a leader or someone with both quality and enthusiasm. Nobody saw this coming and instead of Richards being a leader and galvanizing force, he's become precisely the opposite and along with one or two others very divisive. The manager uses him simply because of limited options but I imagine with him or with Gabby he'd boot them as far as he could given the choice.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Allan C on February 28, 2016, 02:45:20 PM
I hope RG stays but in all honesty we just don't know if he's good or bad. That will only be apparent when he's given the investment to rebuild and that won't happen under the current ownership. Garde may well be a Guardiola or Klopp but he's got an absolutely shockingly bad squad to work with and none of them his signings. This lot are well beyond coaching or improvement so there has been no improvement since he took over. To turn it round, I Wonder if Guardiola or Klopp would have faired any better than Garde has??
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 28, 2016, 02:48:16 PM
I have been disappointed about how defensive we have been at times when only wins will do.

But more than that, playing in the very narrow way we do I don't think actually suits the squad we have. The diamond in midfield simply does not accommodate any of the flair players we have, and we look very toothless.

I have never seen a side lack fight in all but 3-4 games too. I fully appreciate the task he has, and about 80% of the blame is the players, but Garde has to carry some of the can lately.

This summer he either needs to be very, very clearly backed, or move on for someone who will be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
With hindsight no ambitious club would have signed Micah Richards, he'd played 19 league games in 4 years. Part time player, he doesn't have the desire anymore by the looks of it.

It was lauded as a great piece if business by Sherwood at the time. You can't knock the club just because he hasn't been as good as we thought he would.

We viewed it with our rose tinted Villa specs though. Only Villa and Sunderland were in for him weren't they? Barely any football in 3/4 seasons and only courted by relegation threatened sides. Another gamble that didn't pay off I suppose. Don't get me wrong, I thought he couldn't be this bad, thought he'd be a decent right back but it's been another gamble that's exploded in our face.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2016, 04:49:06 PM
I was pretty sure Richards would turn out to be a poor signing - hardly any football in ages being one problem. For about three games I thought I might be wrong, then realised I was actually right.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 04:50:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
With hindsight no ambitious club would have signed Micah Richards, he'd played 19 league games in 4 years. Part time player, he doesn't have the desire anymore by the looks of it.

It was lauded as a great piece if business by Sherwood at the time. You can't knock the club just because he hasn't been as good as we thought he would.

We viewed it with our rose tinted Villa specs though. Only Villa and Sunderland were in for him weren't they? Barely any football in 3/4 seasons and only courted by relegation threatened sides. Another gamble that didn't pay off I suppose. Don't get me wrong, I thought he couldn't be this bad, thought he'd be a decent right back but it's been another gamble that's exploded in our face.

Of course we welcomed him with rose tinted Villa specs. What else were we supposed to do?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 04:50:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
With hindsight no ambitious club would have signed Micah Richards, he'd played 19 league games in 4 years. Part time player, he doesn't have the desire anymore by the looks of it.

It was lauded as a great piece if business by Sherwood at the time. You can't knock the club just because he hasn't been as good as we thought he would.

We viewed it with our rose tinted Villa specs though. Only Villa and Sunderland were in for him weren't they? Barely any football in 3/4 seasons and only courted by relegation threatened sides. Another gamble that didn't pay off I suppose. Don't get me wrong, I thought he couldn't be this bad, thought he'd be a decent right back but it's been another gamble that's exploded in our face.

Of course we welcomed him with rose tinted Villa specs. What else were we supposed to do?

Be realistic about what we are signing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 28, 2016, 06:15:03 PM
I was questioned him signing only because I was worried he'd be injured a lot. Now i'm worried when he's fit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 06:35:29 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 04:50:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
With hindsight no ambitious club would have signed Micah Richards, he'd played 19 league games in 4 years. Part time player, he doesn't have the desire anymore by the looks of it.

It was lauded as a great piece if business by Sherwood at the time. You can't knock the club just because he hasn't been as good as we thought he would.

We viewed it with our rose tinted Villa specs though. Only Villa and Sunderland were in for him weren't they? Barely any football in 3/4 seasons and only courted by relegation threatened sides. Another gamble that didn't pay off I suppose. Don't get me wrong, I thought he couldn't be this bad, thought he'd be a decent right back but it's been another gamble that's exploded in our face.

Of course we welcomed him with rose tinted Villa specs. What else were we supposed to do?

Be realistic about what we are signing.

Were you at the time?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 28, 2016, 06:56:42 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 04:50:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
With hindsight no ambitious club would have signed Micah Richards, he'd played 19 league games in 4 years. Part time player, he doesn't have the desire anymore by the looks of it.

It was lauded as a great piece if business by Sherwood at the time. You can't knock the club just because he hasn't been as good as we thought he would.

We viewed it with our rose tinted Villa specs though. Only Villa and Sunderland were in for him weren't they? Barely any football in 3/4 seasons and only courted by relegation threatened sides. Another gamble that didn't pay off I suppose. Don't get me wrong, I thought he couldn't be this bad, thought he'd be a decent right back but it's been another gamble that's exploded in our face.

Of course we welcomed him with rose tinted Villa specs. What else were we supposed to do?

Be realistic about what we are signing.
Realism sucks though. Particularly over the last 5 years.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 28, 2016, 07:31:02 PM
A good interview in the Times today, Remi comes across as an intelligent guy as usual.  the journalist even comments "garde is exactly what Villa, this rootless, withering giant require.  But require over the longer term rather than the crazed dash for premier league safety.

Interestingly Garde identifies Lescott as a player who has the right stuff for the fight.

Sorry only have the paper copy, so if anyone could cut and paste from behind the pay-wall....
 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on February 28, 2016, 07:45:52 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 06:35:29 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 04:50:47 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 04:33:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on February 28, 2016, 02:08:35 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
With hindsight no ambitious club would have signed Micah Richards, he'd played 19 league games in 4 years. Part time player, he doesn't have the desire anymore by the looks of it.

It was lauded as a great piece if business by Sherwood at the time. You can't knock the club just because he hasn't been as good as we thought he would.

We viewed it with our rose tinted Villa specs though. Only Villa and Sunderland were in for him weren't they? Barely any football in 3/4 seasons and only courted by relegation threatened sides. Another gamble that didn't pay off I suppose. Don't get me wrong, I thought he couldn't be this bad, thought he'd be a decent right back but it's been another gamble that's exploded in our face.

Of course we welcomed him with rose tinted Villa specs. What else were we supposed to do?

Be realistic about what we are signing.

Were you at the time?

If your asking was aj being negative at the time,
 there is a good chance he was
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on February 28, 2016, 07:46:34 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 28, 2016, 07:31:02 PM
Interestingly Garde identifies Lescott as a player who has the right stuff for the fight.

Probably because having played for the Boggies he's got lots of experience.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on February 28, 2016, 07:59:24 PM
With Villa specs fully on I thought that if the Strikers gamble paid off we'd have a decent season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 28, 2016, 08:02:30 PM
I wasn't sure about the striker situation but I believed that our midfield would have contributed a lot more than they have. Especially as that is one of the good things Sherwood did when he arrived. The midfield really attacked the area and contributed to some key goals last season. It just didn't happen this season and it has hurt us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 28, 2016, 08:13:56 PM
I think the majority on here, myself included, believed we'd surprise people and have a good season this year (by that I mean solid, mid-table). I felt that we'd spent the money from Benteke and Delph fairly well. Whilst we didn't buy a striker that made me rip the front of my trousers in excitement, I felt Gestede having scored 22 goals last season and Ayew having a fair record the previous year in Lique 1, that the two combined would cover the loss of Tekkers, whilst I expected good things from Veretout and Gana. Whilst we didn't know much about most of our signings, there was some excitement about these gambles at prices ranging between 7-10ish mill, as opposed to 1-3mill like we seemed to do in previous years with many of our unknown foreign jobs.

I thought the midfield options actually looked impressive for a change. I thought we'd see very little of Westwood and Bacuna this season having bought in more options (yes, injuries haven't helped). I thought perhaps Gabby might come back fit and raring to go and try and push for Bentekes old berth as opposed to the wing spot (and accordingly up his effort).

Many of us, albeit with villa specs and perhaps suffering from some mass villa delusion, felt, dare I say a quiet sense of smugness that with everyone outside the club having us as a great bet for the drop, that we'd shove it in their faces. We'd finally hacked a load of dead weight from our squad list. Luna, Sylla, Tonev etc.

Sadly what has transpired is, that almost every non-Villa fan thought we looked fucked after losing Delph and Benteke and they've been proven right. Deep down we probably all knew, underneath those claret tinted villa specs that we were going to struggle again. That said I don't think even the most miserable miserablist on this site, or any other corner of Villa fandom could have foreseen just how fucking atrocious we've been. We're not going to get past 25 points this season. That's pretty much nailed on. Dire. Shocking, appalling.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on February 28, 2016, 08:15:42 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 28, 2016, 08:13:56 PM
I think the majority on here, myself included, believed we'd surprise people and have a good season this year (by that I mean solid, mid-table). I felt that we'd spent the money from Benteke and Delph fairly well. Whilst we didn't buy a striker that made me rip the front of my trousers in excitement, I felt Gestede having scored 22 goals last season and Ayew having a fair record the previous year in Lique 1, that the two combined would cover the loss of Tekkers, whilst I expected good things from Veretout and Gana. Whilst we didn't know much about most of our signings, there was some excitement about these gambles at prices ranging between 7-10ish mill, as opposed to 1-3mill like we seemed to do in previous years with many of our unknown foreign jobs.

I thought the midfield options actually looked impressive for a change. I thought we'd see very little of Westwood and Bacuna this season having bought in more options (yes, injuries haven't helped). I thought perhaps Gabby might come back fit and raring to go and try and push for Bentekes old berth as opposed to the wing spot (and accordingly up his effort).

Many of us, albeit with villa specs and perhaps suffering from some mass villa delusion, felt, dare I say a quiet sense of smugness that with everyone outside the club having us as a great bet for the drop, that we'd shove it in their faces. We'd finally hacked a load of dead weight from our squad list. Luna, Sylla, Tonev etc.

Sadly what has transpired is, that almost every non-Villa fan thought we looked fucked after losing Delph and Benteke and they've been proven right. Deep down we probably all knew, underneath those claret tinted villa specs that we were going to struggle again. That said I don't think even the most miserable miserablist on this site, or any other corner of Villa fandom could have foreseen just how fucking atrocious we've been. We're not going to get past 25 points this season. That's pretty much nailed on. Dire. Shocking, appalling.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 28, 2016, 08:20:21 PM
If you've got nothing in the final third then it doesn't matter how effective your midfield is and truth be told, you can't really tell. Grealish has looked poor, but would on earth has been there to make an intelligent run?

I've never known a side so limp as us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on February 28, 2016, 08:23:40 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 28, 2016, 08:20:21 PM
If you've got nothing in the final third then it doesn't matter how effective your midfield is and truth be told, you can't really tell. Grealish has looked poor, but would on earth has been there to make an intelligent run?

I've never known a side so limp as us.
Grealish has been a huge let down. I expected him to be a key player by this point.
I expected a lot more from Gestede, particularly after his debut.
Of course as all of us, I was disappointed when the summer window closed and we hadn't got another front man in. It felt like we were almost there but not quite. I did figure we could address it in Jan in a position of relative comfort and that we could perhaps be in a position to kick on. As it was, the situation was more desperate in Jan because none of our front man could hit the proverbial barn door. And of course we didn't do anything.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 28, 2016, 08:28:23 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 28, 2016, 08:20:21 PM
If you've got nothing in the final third then it doesn't matter how effective your midfield is and truth be told, you can't really tell. Grealish has looked poor, but would on earth has been there to make an intelligent run?

I've never known a side so limp as us.

A goalkeeper that commanded a bit of respect that could organise the back 4 and a striker more mobile than a bag of cement and we'd have stood half a chance.

As it is, it's not so much pissing in the wind, more going through a carwash pumping lion's piss.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 28, 2016, 08:30:28 PM
Quote from: Legion on February 28, 2016, 08:15:42 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 28, 2016, 08:13:56 PM
I think the majority on here, myself included, believed we'd surprise people and have a good season this year (by that I mean solid, mid-table). I felt that we'd spent the money from Benteke and Delph fairly well. Whilst we didn't buy a striker that made me rip the front of my trousers in excitement, I felt Gestede having scored 22 goals last season and Ayew having a fair record the previous year in Lique 1, that the two combined would cover the loss of Tekkers, whilst I expected good things from Veretout and Gana. Whilst we didn't know much about most of our signings, there was some excitement about these gambles at prices ranging between 7-10ish mill, as opposed to 1-3mill like we seemed to do in previous years with many of our unknown foreign jobs.

I thought the midfield options actually looked impressive for a change. I thought we'd see very little of Westwood and Bacuna this season having bought in more options (yes, injuries haven't helped). I thought perhaps Gabby might come back fit and raring to go and try and push for Bentekes old berth as opposed to the wing spot (and accordingly up his effort).

Many of us, albeit with villa specs and perhaps suffering from some mass villa delusion, felt, dare I say a quiet sense of smugness that with everyone outside the club having us as a great bet for the drop, that we'd shove it in their faces. We'd finally hacked a load of dead weight from our squad list. Luna, Sylla, Tonev etc.

Sadly what has transpired is, that almost every non-Villa fan thought we looked fucked after losing Delph and Benteke and they've been proven right. Deep down we probably all knew, underneath those claret tinted villa specs that we were going to struggle again. That said I don't think even the most miserable miserablist on this site, or any other corner of Villa fandom could have foreseen just how fucking atrocious we've been. We're not going to get past 25 points this season. That's pretty much nailed on. Dire. Shocking, appalling.

Agreed.

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on February 28, 2016, 08:31:26 PM
Quote from: supertom on February 28, 2016, 08:13:56 PM
I think the majority on here, myself included, believed we'd surprise people and have a good season this year (by that I mean solid, mid-table). I felt that we'd spent the money from Benteke and Delph fairly well. Whilst we didn't buy a striker that made me rip the front of my trousers in excitement, I felt Gestede having scored 22 goals last season and Ayew having a fair record the previous year in Lique 1, that the two combined would cover the loss of Tekkers, whilst I expected good things from Veretout and Gana. Whilst we didn't know much about most of our signings, there was some excitement about these gambles at prices ranging between 7-10ish mill, as opposed to 1-3mill like we seemed to do in previous years with many of our unknown foreign jobs.

I thought the midfield options actually looked impressive for a change. I thought we'd see very little of Westwood and Bacuna this season having bought in more options (yes, injuries haven't helped). I thought perhaps Gabby might come back fit and raring to go and try and push for Bentekes old berth as opposed to the wing spot (and accordingly up his effort).

Many of us, albeit with villa specs and perhaps suffering from some mass villa delusion, felt, dare I say a quiet sense of smugness that with everyone outside the club having us as a great bet for the drop, that we'd shove it in their faces. We'd finally hacked a load of dead weight from our squad list. Luna, Sylla, Tonev etc.

Sadly what has transpired is, that almost every non-Villa fan thought we looked fucked after losing Delph and Benteke and they've been proven right. Deep down we probably all knew, underneath those claret tinted villa specs that we were going to struggle again. That said I don't think even the most miserable miserablist on this site, or any other corner of Villa fandom could have foreseen just how fucking atrocious we've been. We're not going to get past 25 points this season. That's pretty much nailed on. Dire. Shocking, appalling.

I don't like 'what he said' posts.

What he said.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 28, 2016, 09:18:21 PM
For me Delph kicked off the serious concern for the upcoming season. Because it is reasonable to assume that with him in midfield and captain of the club we'd have faired a lot better. Then the whole saga. Him leaving at first and the shit feeling it brought. Him staying and the subsequent joy, and then the backstabbing ****** eventually fucking off to Man City. It was just a one massive kick in the bollocks that we couldn't recover from. Even victory at Bournemouth only papered over the cracks, because beneath the surface it was all about to fall to ruin.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2016, 10:32:53 PM
Appointing Sherwood was a moronic thing to do.

Mistakes happen, though. The thing that I can't forgive these people for is the abject surrender in January.

I appreciate its harder to sign players when you're shit but was there honestly not a single loan player out there who could improve us?

The pathetic surrender sticks in the craw. Other clubs were in trouble too but they had a go. We probably did some maths and decided it wasn't worth trying.

Still I expect pretty soon the OS will be awash with hollow marketing bullshit to shift premier league priced tickets for our championship campaign next season and these fuckers will have no shame.

They can stick it. They're a disgrace to this club and we can't even start to improve until they are gone.

Shameful.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Locko on February 28, 2016, 11:15:07 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 28, 2016, 10:32:53 PM
Appointing Sherwood was a moronic thing to do.

Mistakes happen, though. The thing that I can't forgive these people for is the abject surrender in January.

I appreciate its harder to sign players when you're shit but was there honestly not a single loan player out there who could improve us?

The pathetic surrender sticks in the craw. Other clubs were in trouble too but they had a go. We probably did some maths and decided it wasn't worth trying.

Still I expect pretty soon the OS will be awash with hollow marketing bullshit to shift premier league priced tickets for our championship campaign next season and these fuckers will have no shame.

They can stick it. They're a disgrace to this club and we can't even start to improve until they are gone.

Shameful.
We did some maths and, there you have it. I give you Hollis the axeman. I'm seriously worried, we've only just started the plunge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on February 28, 2016, 11:37:50 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on February 28, 2016, 07:31:02 PM
A good interview in the Times today, Remi comes across as an intelligent guy as usual.  the journalist even comments "garde is exactly what Villa, this rootless, withering giant require.  But require over the longer term rather than the crazed dash for premier league safety.

Interestingly Garde identifies Lescott as a player who has the right stuff for the fight.

Sorry only have the paper copy, so if anyone could cut and paste from behind the pay-wall....
 
WE SIT down in the home dressing room at Villa Park and Remi Garde jokes: “Where do you want to play?” Things aren’t yet that bad and Garde turns out to have a quiet, steely seriousness about his work. But there’s no escaping his situation. Aston Villa dangle off a cliff and Garde’s ambition was managing at the top in England. When the reality’s like this, black humour is necessary.

He is “not a happy man” but has no regrets about being here. He was the modest player who pushed himself as far as the French national team and a Double-winning Arsenal squad. He was the coach who brought through Clement Grenier, Alexandre Lacazette, Nabil Fekir and Anthony Martial at Lyon.

His career has been about maximising potential. And then he comes to Villa where, for too long, on individual and collective levels, potential has been thrown away. “You know, the opportunity to manage in the Premier League is not very easy,” he says. “I previously had one opportunity [Newcastle]. I didn’t take it, for many reasons, but this seemed the right one when I chose it. And I’ve no regrets.

“It’s a big experience. A very nice one . . .” Nice? “Yes. Because every manager’s job is difficult: whether you’re bottom or first, the pressure’s there. I would like to have had more results. I’m not a happy man because when I came I was not fully confident but had some confidence I could bring back the team on the right track. For the moment it doesn’t happen. So I’m a bit frustrated, of course.”

His reign has had three phases. First, he was getting to know his environment, his players and seeking ways to stop the bleeding of a side with seven consecutive Premier League losses and just four points when he joined on November 2.

There were more defeats but he felt change happening when Villa fought back to draw against West Ham on Boxing Day and in phase two, he found a settled XI and, at last, some discipline and control in performances. There was a run of eight points from five games. Then came the carnage of Aston Villa 0 Liverpool 6, Joleon Lescott’s Mercedes tweet, and renewed fan fury.

So, phase three: can Garde gird Villa all over again? And, given the table, does it even matter? Villa’s resilience, he says with typical honesty, “is something fragile. We’ve seen that against Liverpool, unfortunately. When you start a season as poorly . . . when I arrived, I saw players who had suffered so much they were psychologically impacted.”

Lescott is a player he identified as having the right stuff for a fight, but he doesn’t feel overburdened with those or, despite Villa’s 12 summer recruits, that his squad has quality in depth.

He wanted January signings but none materialised. “I was frustrated,” he says. “This group had suffered and I thought two or three players would give it a boost. Unfortunately nobody came. Now it’s finished and I have to look forward.”

And that’s the thing you notice about Garde. He’s fighting on, with that quiet steel. On Wednesday he met Matthew Morley, who is on work experience at Villa thanks to Barclays LifeSkills, and we discuss Garde’s own football education. At 14 he was plucked from his small Rhone Valley town to live and train at Lyon’s academy. “The director was strict,” he recalls. “I learnt a lot about football but also life. And, to be fair, life and football are not so different.”

Garde’s values? “Collective values. Respect. Respect of yourself, first. When you have talent, you have to respect your talent and work hard, every day, to extract it. You have to respect your teammates. Everybody. And that’s difficult to instil. Maybe these are old values, but when players feel them they can perform. Where there’s no respect, it’s a mess. And in a mess you cannot win. For me, a good football player is not about five or 10 games, it is about 10 seasons.”

Garde sounds exactly what Villa, this rootless, withering, giant, require. But require over the longer term. The shorter term is about that crazed dash at safety but Garde is not one who, for quick fixes, would use players who don’t buy into his culture. “Time means you can only do some things. I’m not a magic man. I’ve values but to put these in place you need time. And sometimes, in football, you don’t have time.

“But I want to stay honest. The best way, when there are difficulties, is to stay yourself. I’m not an actor. You have to adapt and sometimes I have to make efforts to compromise. But I won’t spend energy on being someone else.”

Jack Grealish, out for the past fortnight with a twisted ankle, hasn’t featured in the league since January 2. Garde dropped him in November after a night on the town, so what does he need to learn about values? “Hopefully a lot of stuff should have been taught to Jack already,” Garde replies. “Because Jack is not a kid any more. Jack, of course, is talented. He has been going very high, very quickly — and to digest that experience has probably been a little bit difficult for him.

“Then I came and didn’t play him straightaway. This season is quite difficult for Jack. But he is a talented player and if I have a full season with him, a full pre-season too, things could be different hopefully.”

Talk of next season suggests — despite speculation about wanting out after the January transfer disappointment — a desire to see things through. When I ask if he’d like to stay and rebuild the club, even if starting over in the Championship, it’s a cautious “yes”. Villa, whose new chairman, Steve Hollis, is reviewing all aspects of the club, must first decide which direction they’re heading in.

“There will come a time when all these questions will come out,” says Garde on his own future. “For the time being I’m focused on trying until the last day to keep this club in the Premier League.

“After that, the club, me, everyone involved here, will have to sit and take the best decision for the club. The most important thing is not me and not the players, it’s the club. It is an institution. And then we will see. We will see if the project suits me as a manager. We will see if the players suit the project. Everyone will have to be honest with the choice.

“This club is huge,” he says, “and when you are within the club you feel that. But you also feel that, unfortunately, it is not by chance that this club is in this position, this year and the four or five previous years.

“This is a big crossroads. It will probably be a big choice of which way to turn for this football club. No matter if it is in the Championship or the Premier League. Because if you are on the edge for such a long time, 16th, 17th, for four or five years, you know something is not going well, and that you will have to make changes.”

Back for Tuesday’s game with Everton is Jordan Ayew, suspended since idiotically elbowing West Ham’s Aaron Cresswell. Garde is back talking about values. “Jordan can be important now. In a period when the team wasn’t performing Jordan was playing well

“He made a big mistake: for the team. I’m sure that he will have to prove to his teammates and everybody else in the club that he regrets his mistakes and do his maximum.”

You understand why Garde remains a good friend of Patrick Vieira: they joined Arsenal on the same day in 1996 and have a similar mentality. How can Villa survive? “We need not too many injuries, because the squad is not very deep, and we have to work on confidence and that way to play we started seeing on Boxing Day,” he says. “We need to stick to that until the end.”
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 28, 2016, 11:49:16 PM
That's a really good article and for the first time where it isn't one littered with nonsense football cliches or talk from the old boys network. As much we might look at Garde at times and suggest he could have done more, you then read and listen to that and it says so much more than the words themselves. There is actual meaning in everything the man says and everything be believes and stands for. For me, as much as I might have had some doubts at times with some of his decisions, it has convinced me that he is absolutely the man for Aston Villa and has me praying that the board and owner don't do or say anything fucking stupid in the summer to force him to leave. He has a huge task ahead of him and he needs the entire club behind him to fix it quickly. The situation while dire is not beyond repair. If he leaves however, it just might be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 28, 2016, 11:54:55 PM
I agree with TV, i've had some doubts recently, but he nails it here, and we need a manager that sees this.

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“This club is huge,” he says, “and when you are within the club you feel that. But you also feel that, unfortunately, it is not by chance that this club is in this position, this year and the four or five previous years.

“This is a big crossroads. It will probably be a big choice of which way to turn for this football club. No matter if it is in the Championship or the Premier League. Because if you are on the edge for such a long time, 16th, 17th, for four or five years, you know something is not going well, and that you will have to make changes.”
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on February 28, 2016, 11:55:43 PM
I am sorry, I read this and I think PR bollocks.The clubs probably shitting themselves about a fall off in attendances.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 28, 2016, 11:59:06 PM
He's basically saying the club have been fucking up for years, it's hardly some PR spin that everything is fine and we're staying up and isn't everything down B6 ace.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on February 29, 2016, 12:23:16 AM
Quote from: supertom on February 28, 2016, 08:13:56 PM
I think the majority on here, myself included, believed we'd surprise people and have a good season this year (by that I mean solid, mid-table). I felt that we'd spent the money from Benteke and Delph fairly well. Whilst we didn't buy a striker that made me rip the front of my trousers in excitement, I felt Gestede having scored 22 goals last season and Ayew having a fair record the previous year in Lique 1, that the two combined would cover the loss of Tekkers, whilst I expected good things from Veretout and Gana. Whilst we didn't know much about most of our signings, there was some excitement about these gambles at prices ranging between 7-10ish mill, as opposed to 1-3mill like we seemed to do in previous years with many of our unknown foreign jobs.

I thought the midfield options actually looked impressive for a change. I thought we'd see very little of Westwood and Bacuna this season having bought in more options (yes, injuries haven't helped). I thought perhaps Gabby might come back fit and raring to go and try and push for Bentekes old berth as opposed to the wing spot (and accordingly up his effort).

Many of us, albeit with villa specs and perhaps suffering from some mass villa delusion, felt, dare I say a quiet sense of smugness that with everyone outside the club having us as a great bet for the drop, that we'd shove it in their faces. We'd finally hacked a load of dead weight from our squad list. Luna, Sylla, Tonev etc.

Sadly what has transpired is, that almost every non-Villa fan thought we looked fucked after losing Delph and Benteke and they've been proven right. Deep down we probably all knew, underneath those claret tinted villa specs that we were going to struggle again. That said I don't think even the most miserable miserablist on this site, or any other corner of Villa fandom could have foreseen just how fucking atrocious we've been. We're not going to get past 25 points this season. That's pretty much nailed on. Dire. Shocking, appalling.

I'm in that boat too. Was expecting a lot from Grealish and Traore too particularly after his cameo against Palace. Gestede changed the game at Bournemouth. Amavi and Gueye had very bright starts, yet we look now as if we won't get another point. Staggering

The worries for me were Sherwood primarily but also his decision to bring in Micah Richards particularly on a four year deal to play centre half. Richards for me embodied the kind of "big character" we desperately didn't need. A guy who had flopped at Fiorentina and was last seen at City whinging about not being given a medal for something like 4 or 5 league appearances. He started ok too but it was clear Clark had no idea how to play with him. Lescott too I thought was finished and so it proved.

Sherwood's misgivings on Guzan and Sinclair both were well founded. Gabby has given up the premise of being a professional footballer and we are back with Hutton, Cissokho, Bacuna, Westwood, Bunn in the starting line up. That's the worst team in the league unsurprisingly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 29, 2016, 12:33:48 AM
Every time I see garde do something I dont like at match day I see him afterwards in an interview like that just remind me why I like him. He is just a sane man, plain and simple. I like that a lot. I am still pretty confident he will be off come summer but it would be nice if he stayed. I just have this ember of hope , not yet crushed, that we could be sat here in three years time mid table premier league after promotion with Garde in charge and us all patting ourselves and the club on the back for finally getting it right. Its nice to have something positive I can plausibily hope for.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 29, 2016, 12:34:54 AM
Quote from: passport1 on February 28, 2016, 11:55:43 PM
I am sorry, I read this and I think PR bollocks.The clubs probably shitting themselves about a fall off in attendances.



I have no idea how anyone can come to the conclusion that this is PR bollocks. It's hardly as if Garde has been singing from the same hymn sheet as his bosses since January now is it? He is saying it as it is. Not like a Lambert who told us how ace it was and how everything was fine until the moment his arse got kicked through the door.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on February 29, 2016, 12:48:05 AM
Quote from: supertom on February 28, 2016, 08:13:56 PM
I think the majority on here, myself included, believed we'd surprise people and have a good season this year (by that I mean solid, mid-table). I felt that we'd spent the money from Benteke and Delph fairly well. Whilst we didn't buy a striker that made me rip the front of my trousers in excitement, I felt Gestede having scored 22 goals last season and Ayew having a fair record the previous year in Lique 1, that the two combined would cover the loss of Tekkers, whilst I expected good things from Veretout and Gana. Whilst we didn't know much about most of our signings, there was some excitement about these gambles at prices ranging between 7-10ish mill, as opposed to 1-3mill like we seemed to do in previous years with many of our unknown foreign jobs.

I thought the midfield options actually looked impressive for a change. I thought we'd see very little of Westwood and Bacuna this season having bought in more options (yes, injuries haven't helped). I thought perhaps Gabby might come back fit and raring to go and try and push for Bentekes old berth as opposed to the wing spot (and accordingly up his effort).

Many of us, albeit with villa specs and perhaps suffering from some mass villa delusion, felt, dare I say a quiet sense of smugness that with everyone outside the club having us as a great bet for the drop, that we'd shove it in their faces. We'd finally hacked a load of dead weight from our squad list. Luna, Sylla, Tonev etc.

Sadly what has transpired is, that almost every non-Villa fan thought we looked fucked after losing Delph and Benteke and they've been proven right. Deep down we probably all knew, underneath those claret tinted villa specs that we were going to struggle again. That said I don't think even the most miserable miserablist on this site, or any other corner of Villa fandom could have foreseen just how fucking atrocious we've been. We're not going to get past 25 points this season. That's pretty much nailed on. Dire. Shocking, appalling.

I hate to swim against the tide (except on the Politics threads) but I thought it was a huge gamble. We had barely survived relegation  (again) and we had lost our only two quality players in Benteke and Delph, and two other starters in Vlaar and Cleverley. We had a squad that only had mediocrity remaining, and what we needed was to spend the money on two or three players who could be guaranteed to raise the standard. Instead we paid over the odds for a stack of players who may or may not adapt to PL football. At best we were looking at a rough first few months while they gelled and then an improvement. At worst it would be a repeat of recent seasons past. Even I never dreamed it would be this bad though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on February 29, 2016, 12:54:26 AM
This is what amazes me we lost Delph and Benteke two good players with a lot of prem experience and instead of spending the money on three or four top players those in charge chose to spunk the money on a virtual new eleven most of whom had never played in the premiership. Those that made that decision are still in charge, any other business they would be out the door.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 29, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
If we'd only signed 3 or 4 players in the summer the vast majority would have shit a brick and slaughtered them for that as well. Weimann, Cleverley, Vlaar, Delph, Benteke all left in the summer who were regular first teamers. Plus squad (non)players like Sylla, Given, Bent and Lowton. We needed more than 3 or 4 players in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on February 29, 2016, 01:18:05 AM
After years of neglect we needed both quantity and quality, but in my eyes the quality was more critical for that window.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: alftitimus on February 29, 2016, 02:08:26 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on February 29, 2016, 12:33:48 AM
Every time I see garde do something I dont like at match day I see him afterwards in an interview like that just remind me why I like him. He is just a sane man, plain and simple. I like that a lot. I am still pretty confident he will be off come summer but it would be nice if he stayed. I just have this ember of hope , not yet crushed, that we could be sat here in three years time mid table premier league after promotion with Garde in charge and us all patting ourselves and the club on the back for finally getting it right. Its nice to have something positive I can plausibily hope for.

 ;D

Agree 101%

"Tactics Tim" through his media supporters, let it be known that he didn't pick ANY summer transfer players.
Fox claimed that "Tactics" had a veto on the "Search-for-the-NEW-Fabregas-Henry-Mission" that the incompetants pursued.
Remi's non-existant, 'media mates' ~~ can see and report what happened in the Transfer Window. More Fox PR Spin.

NO BLOODY HELP.

NO BLOODY SUPPORT

I think he is going to be good manager.
Hopefully with us. Really. ;D
He seems very honest when you consider Lambert and Sherwood ! !

He has got us moving at least. We can do halves almost comptentanly, we just don't have the thrust nor ability up top.
I think he picks Gaby for a kind of dynamism that he shows, but Gaby becomes prone ~~ like a post-30 year old Shearer did.

But it's all he's got.

Our "Recruitment Committee" denied Remi in the transfer window.

We don't have any "Rashfords" in our Academy.

We have pretty little there ~ for those who call for the inclusion of our kids in the first team.
If we had, Remi would have run them, like Arsene, his mentor.

It is seriously, a grounds-up renovation.
The way they have treated Remi - {I truly hope his redundancy payment is worth the Villa STAIN } ~ is hardly a seduction for a future boss ??

Remi is actually Good.
Turned a "Tactics" team...into a feasible project.
JUST ~~ NO killer recruitment.

THANK YOU FOX





Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on February 29, 2016, 06:05:55 AM
Garde’s values? “Collective values. Respect. Respect of yourself, first. When you have talent, you have to respect your talent and work hard, every day, to extract it. You have to respect your teammates. Everybody. And that’s difficult to instill. Maybe these are old values, but when players feel them they can perform. Where there’s no respect, it’s a mess. And in a mess you cannot win. For me, a good football player is not about five or 10 games, it is about 10 seasons.

He states the above and importantly "Where there's no respect, it's a mess and in a mess you cannot win", but that is exactly where we find ourselves and he stills plays the like of Westwood (he is just shit, not so much trouble), Bacuna and Gabby add in the influence of Richards and there's the "No respect" part.
Yes he talks very truthfully but I am sorry to say his continual picking of certain individuals shows his actions do not reflect his words.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 29, 2016, 07:05:18 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 29, 2016, 12:34:54 AM
Quote from: passport1 on February 28, 2016, 11:55:43 PM
I am sorry, I read this and I think PR bollocks.The clubs probably shitting themselves about a fall off in attendances.

I have no idea how anyone can come to the conclusion that this is PR bollocks. It's hardly as if Garde has been singing from the same hymn sheet as his bosses since January now is it? He is saying it as it is. Not like a Lambert who told us how ace it was and how everything was fine until the moment his arse got kicked through the door.

Yep - he basically give Lerner a kicking.  However he also says that 'hopefully' he will be here next season (and has the opportunity for a pre-season with Grealish) but it is clear that will only take place if the club make a series of changes.  I guess that means backing him financially however the tone of the article suggests he has bigger ideas too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on February 29, 2016, 08:09:32 AM
The big crunch is going to come when Remi meets Hollis in the summer and presents his list of demands if he is to stay.  That meeting will define the future of the club for years to come.  It is absolutely essential that the insane budgetary constraints of last January are not repeated but I have serious doubts about the reason why Lerner has put Hollis in place.  I fear that Hollis will serve his master and Remi will leave us.

A lesser manager may well kick and claw a way back via the play offs I have no doubt but without Garde the concept of long term planning and secure reestablishment in the Premiership will go with him.  Our ambition will be to be like West Bromwich Albion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 29, 2016, 08:39:54 AM
Interesting that you mention West Brom Brian because I think their Manager will be available in the summer.

Clearly Garde wants to do the right things, wants backing to cleanse this squad. Hollis also might want to clear the decks in terms of superfluous spend, for example, why bother with Paddy Reilly if the Manager can do it? But, Garde simply has to stop selecting the numpties who he is talking about.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on February 29, 2016, 08:48:56 AM
Quote from: brian green on February 29, 2016, 08:09:32 AM
Our ambition will be to be like West Bromwich Albion.

I fear this already is our ambition. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 29, 2016, 09:17:51 AM
I think he should go at the end of the season - don't really care whether he jumps or gets pushed. He's had no money, works for a board which seems to be comprised of genuine lunatics and a squad of really shit footballers who come across as a bunch of thin skinned cliquey schoolkids who need some real discipline and constant reminding of their responsibilities. I don't think any manager could have saved us and Garde can't do anything about the twat of an owner he works for but I'd expect any half decent manager to be able to squeeze a drop of extra blood out of the team. They're clearly not motivated and that's the manager's responsibility. I'm really worried that we'll struggle under him in the 2nd division. I'm sure he's a nice bloke, etc......
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 29, 2016, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 29, 2016, 09:17:51 AM
I think he should go at the end of the season - don't really care whether he jumps or gets pushed. He's had no money, works for a board which seems to be comprised of genuine lunatics and a squad of really shit footballers who come across as a bunch of thin skinned cliquey schoolkids who need some real discipline and constant reminding of their responsibilities. I don't think any manager could have saved us and Garde can't do anything about the twat of an owner he works for but I'd expect any half decent manager to be able to squeeze a drop of extra blood out of the team. They're clearly not motivated and that's the manager's responsibility. I'm really worried that we'll struggle under him in the 2nd division. I'm sure he's a nice bloke, etc......

Unless he gets absolutely what he needs in terms of support, I think I am with you on this. I too wonder if a Moyes or God help us, Tiny Penis was in charge, we would have got more out of the players.  I am easy either way as to whether he walks or not. He seems to say the right things but continues to pick players who constantly let us/him down.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 29, 2016, 10:05:12 AM
I thought that was one of the most damning things about our squad that he said last week: that if he had better/other players he would pick them...
A fair number of this lot are not good enough, but they're all he's got so he has to pick them!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: fbriai on February 29, 2016, 10:28:39 AM
I'm beginning to wonder whether we are going to need a manager like Moyes next season. I mean, I like Garde, but I'm starting to think that, given the apparent power vacuum at the club, we need a manager that can put himself about a bit.

My reasoning is that Moyes would be more likely to come in and take an approach along the lines of that taken by SGT the last time we went down; when we were also an utter shambles: come in, tell the players what's what and to fill the void left by the absence of any footballing knowledge at board level.

Yes, they aren't up to it upstairs, but, for a manager, that could also be an opportunity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on February 29, 2016, 10:32:32 AM
I would be concerned about what backing he will get in the summer. Hollis is in his first football role (sound familiar), and knows about cutting costs.
I like Garde, but i think he is finding it hard to motivate himself, so trying to motivate this team is nearly impossible.
As for Pulis, he walked away from Palace over the lack of transfer budget, no chance he would come here.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MarkM on February 29, 2016, 10:41:21 AM
I have to say, that I am not impressed with Remi at all. As a person not a problem but he is not what the club needed when we took him on.

He has failed to motivate and to change the attitudes of our bunch of wasters, which is what was needed what he came in.

He may well succeed at a club that is stable (such as an Everton or similar) but this appointment has been a failure. I understand that he has not had the option to bring his own players in, but that does not excuse the absolute rubbish performances, tactics and style (or lack of) that we have demonstrated.

Whether he will succeed in bringing us back up, I am unsure. I don't see the board giving the green light for medium spending levels so Remi may well have most of the same players next season with a couple of new ones. Is he still going to struggle to motivate them?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: fredm on February 29, 2016, 10:47:02 AM
People keep saying about having Moyes as manager.  I think there is more chance of finding cheese on the moon than that happening.  He will go to a solid, mid table PL team not one scrambling to get out of the Championship on a meagre budget.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on February 29, 2016, 10:55:17 AM
Quote from: fredm on February 29, 2016, 10:47:02 AM
People keep saying about having Moyes as manager.  I think there is more chance of finding cheese on the moon than that happening.  He will go to a solid, mid table PL team not one scrambling to get out of the Championship on a meagre budget.

So, West Brim then?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wince on February 29, 2016, 10:56:37 AM
I would hate for pulis to come here. Every five minutes we have 'Tony Pulis could stabilise things' etc etc. I would rather go down and fight back up than have pulis making us like West Brom are. Yes better on points than us but dull, unambitious and a total cock to boot. I wholeheartdedly put the blame onto the players. Even Sherwood said they are not doing what they are instructed to do when he was here. I back Garde and still think he could be a great manager for us
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on February 29, 2016, 11:02:23 AM
Like pretty much everyone, I do like Garde.
He speaks well, appears knowledgeable and has been very dignified while he has been at the club, despite having to put up with incredible pressure.
He is obviously a good man,but I still can't work out whether he is actually a good manager.
He obviously trains the players, he gives them his tactics and the approach he wants to each game,
But, even with the limitations he has with the players, these tactics and way of playing haven't really changed since day 1.
We still don't play with any real width, the full backs or wide players, NEVER get to the byline a cross.
We still never get forward in great numbers.
The midfield rarely support the front players, there are never any runners.
We never see a midfielder in front of the strikers, bombing on into space.
Players seem incapable of shooting, or getting shots on target.
Westwood, I'm looking at you here. He get at least one chance every game and never, ever hits the target.
We still play at walking pace, knocking the ball sideways and backwards, rarely do we move the ball around quickly and move.

So, yes I fully understand that the players are all shit and are not very good at doing what they are paid for.
But, these are all things that are basics in football, I believe.
Even if the players are shit, it doesn't stop them being told to TRY and do these things.
Being shit shouldn't stop you trying to play the game properly.

I wonder whether Remi is generally a conservative (some might say negative) manager by nature and we are playing the style of football he wants.

I'm not so sure the way we play now will get us out of the championship very quickly.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on February 29, 2016, 11:22:42 AM
Quote from: MarkM on February 29, 2016, 10:41:21 AM
I have to say, that I am not impressed with Remi at all. As a person not a problem but he is not what the club needed when we took him on.

He has failed to motivate and to change the attitudes of our bunch of wasters, which is what was needed what he came in.

He may well succeed at a club that is stable (such as an Everton or similar) but this appointment has been a failure. I understand that he has not had the option to bring his own players in, but that does not excuse the absolute rubbish performances, tactics and style (or lack of) that we have demonstrated.

Whether he will succeed in bringing us back up, I am unsure. I don't see the board giving the green light for medium spending levels so Remi may well have most of the same players next season with a couple of new ones. Is he still going to struggle to motivate them?

I disagree in that I think he was managing to halt the slide, change attitudes and so on until he had the rug pulled from under him in January.  Any chance of building momentum was lost there and then and it is clear, to me at least, that Remi hasn't quite been the same since. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on February 29, 2016, 11:24:08 AM
Quote from: MarkM on February 29, 2016, 10:41:21 AM

He may well succeed at a club that is stable (such as an Everton or similar) but this appointment has been a failure.

Not sure about Everton, as those moaning minnies have been giving Martinez all kinds of abuse this season.

But I do wonder how Garde would have fared at a Southampton, Swansea or similar.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on February 29, 2016, 12:51:39 PM
I think it is irrelevant who is manager next season, or any other season, whilst Lerner is in charge.

As the article says, we are at a crossroads. There are clear signposts pointing towards promotion, others towards hanging around the Championship for a while. Some will be good roads to go down, some not so good. Then there are turnings that no-one with any sense would choose to go down. Disastrous directions that take you to places even worse than the last.

Lerner has turned his indicator on and is heading straight for the sign pointing towards total oblivion. While he is here, that's the only place we're heading. I'm starting to think all this shit we've been through over the last few years, this desperate decline towards relegation, this nightmare we want to wake up from, is actually only just the start.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on February 29, 2016, 01:03:47 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on February 29, 2016, 11:22:42 AM
Quote from: MarkM on February 29, 2016, 10:41:21 AM
I have to say, that I am not impressed with Remi at all. As a person not a problem but he is not what the club needed when we took him on.

He has failed to motivate and to change the attitudes of our bunch of wasters, which is what was needed what he came in.

He may well succeed at a club that is stable (such as an Everton or similar) but this appointment has been a failure. I understand that he has not had the option to bring his own players in, but that does not excuse the absolute rubbish performances, tactics and style (or lack of) that we have demonstrated.

Whether he will succeed in bringing us back up, I am unsure. I don't see the board giving the green light for medium spending levels so Remi may well have most of the same players next season with a couple of new ones. Is he still going to struggle to motivate them?

I disagree in that I think he was managing to halt the slide, change attitudes and so on until he had the rug pulled from under him in January.  Any chance of building momentum was lost there and then and it is clear, to me at least, that Remi hasn't quite been the same since.

and I agree with those sentiments. I would guess that he had been told by either Fox/Lerner that he would have a budget of sorts for the January window but when Hollis came in he found he hadn't. This must have depressed him no end and I find it surprising that he is still here and looking older every press conference.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on February 29, 2016, 01:06:03 PM
Quote
I'm starting to think all this shit we've been through over the last few years, this desperate decline towards relegation, this nightmare we want to wake up from, is actually only just the start.

Bit over the top, but I hear ya.

Remember all those days, not so long ago, when they only thing we had to moan about was the fact that Alpay was being played as a right-back not as a centre-half?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 29, 2016, 01:12:16 PM
Don't know where to post this but I am just onboard an Emirates flight to Dubai , I am off to Shanghai, and big Ron is  here. Already spoken to him but I will invite him for his favourite tipple when we are in the air and find out what he thinks about is just now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:16:39 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 28, 2016, 08:02:30 PM
I wasn't sure about the striker situation but I believed that our midfield would have contributed a lot more than they have. Especially as that is one of the good things Sherwood did when he arrived. The midfield really attacked the area and contributed to some key goals last season. It just didn't happen this season and it has hurt us.


This type of view was reliant on the new midfielders, as unit, being better than the midfield which had Delph, Cleverley and Grealish in it while laying at their best.

Of course we were all hopeful, but on walking out of the first home game vs. Man U, I was fairly clear we were down unless we found a different way of playing.  We've never really tried anything other than 4-5-1 in a variety of formats - all with the same result.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on February 29, 2016, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: olaftab on February 29, 2016, 01:12:16 PM
Don't know where to post this but I am just onboard an Emirates flight to Dubai , I am off to Shanghai, and big Ron is  here. Already spoken to him but I will invite him for his favourite tipple when we are in the air and find out what he thinks about is just now.

If you're trying to make us jealous, its working!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 29, 2016, 08:09:32 AM
The big crunch is going to come when Remi meets Hollis in the summer and presents his list of demands if he is to stay.  That meeting will define the future of the club for years to come.  It is absolutely essential that the insane budgetary constraints of last January are not repeated but I have serious doubts about the reason why Lerner has put Hollis in place.  I fear that Hollis will serve his master and Remi will leave us.

A lesser manager may well kick and claw a way back via the play offs I have no doubt but without Garde the concept of long term planning and secure reestablishment in the Premiership will go with him.  Our ambition will be to be like West Bromwich Albion.


I'm not so sure.

There is a  massive opportunity at Villa, and Hollis has the chance of lifetime to cover himself in glory.

I had the good fortune (it almost chokes me to say this) to watch Spurs at WHL with wife who's al lifelong Spurs supporter but loves football generally and is therefore a Villa season ticket holder.

When you see where they are and heading compared to where we are and heading, you can see the massive opportunity for us with the right boardroom management. 

WHL is a small dump.  They need to build a new stadium and rent Wembley for a year, whereas we already have everything we need built or could easily be added to.

The major difference since MON left us is that Levy has continued to develop Spurs and we've been mismanaged to unbelievably negligent levels.

I'm optimistic that although it might take time, with the right chairman and board there's a massive opportunity ahead.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 29, 2016, 01:36:12 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 29, 2016, 08:09:32 AM
The big crunch is going to come when Remi meets Hollis in the summer and presents his list of demands if he is to stay.  That meeting will define the future of the club for years to come.  It is absolutely essential that the insane budgetary constraints of last January are not repeated but I have serious doubts about the reason why Lerner has put Hollis in place.  I fear that Hollis will serve his master and Remi will leave us.

A lesser manager may well kick and claw a way back via the play offs I have no doubt but without Garde the concept of long term planning and secure reestablishment in the Premiership will go with him.  Our ambition will be to be like West Bromwich Albion.


I'm not so sure.

There is a  massive opportunity at Villa, and Hollis has the chance of lifetime to cover himself in glory.

I had the good fortune (it almost chokes me to say this) to watch Spurs at WHL with wife who's al lifelong Spurs supporter but loves football generally and is therefore a Villa season ticket holder.

When you see where they are and heading compared to where we are and heading, you can see the massive opportunity for us with the right boardroom management. 

WHL is a small dump.  They need to build a new stadium and rent Wembley for a year, whereas we already have everything we need built or could easily be added to.

The major difference since MON left us is that Levy has continued to develop Spurs and we've been mismanaged to unbelievably negligent levels.

I'm optimistic that although it might take time, with the right chairman and board there's a massive opportunity ahead.

I reckon season tickets for Spurs must be double what we charge at Villa though?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on February 29, 2016, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 29, 2016, 08:09:32 AM
The big crunch is going to come when Remi meets Hollis in the summer and presents his list of demands if he is to stay.  That meeting will define the future of the club for years to come.  It is absolutely essential that the insane budgetary constraints of last January are not repeated but I have serious doubts about the reason why Lerner has put Hollis in place.  I fear that Hollis will serve his master and Remi will leave us.

A lesser manager may well kick and claw a way back via the play offs I have no doubt but without Garde the concept of long term planning and secure reestablishment in the Premiership will go with him.  Our ambition will be to be like West Bromwich Albion.


I'm not so sure.

There is a  massive opportunity at Villa, and Hollis has the chance of lifetime to cover himself in glory.

I had the good fortune (it almost chokes me to say this) to watch Spurs at WHL with wife who's al lifelong Spurs supporter but loves football generally and is therefore a Villa season ticket holder.

When you see where they are and heading compared to where we are and heading, you can see the massive opportunity for us with the right boardroom management. 

WHL is a small dump.  They need to build a new stadium and rent Wembley for a year, whereas we already have everything we need built or could easily be added to.

The major difference since MON left us is that Levy has continued to develop Spurs and we've been mismanaged to unbelievably negligent levels.

I'm optimistic that although it might take time, with the right chairman and board there's a massive opportunity ahead.

Nice to see some positivity. However the difference with Spurs even whilst they've been in 36,000 seater WHL is that their matchday income still dwarfed ours even when we were getting 40k or close to. As Chico has alluded to STs and ticket prices are a lot higher, and they attract a lot more corporate clients.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldtimernow on February 29, 2016, 01:52:37 PM
you can put your arm around players going through lean spells,

you can give them a rollicking from time to time

when you've no alternatives they know that they don't really need to bust a gut and there is not a lot you can do about it if they just can't be arsed when they step on the pitch


the curse of the modern footballer and football in general, I'm nearly ready to give up on it all
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: hoyle87 on February 29, 2016, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 29, 2016, 08:09:32 AM
The big crunch is going to come when Remi meets Hollis in the summer and presents his list of demands if he is to stay.  That meeting will define the future of the club for years to come.  It is absolutely essential that the insane budgetary constraints of last January are not repeated but I have serious doubts about the reason why Lerner has put Hollis in place.  I fear that Hollis will serve his master and Remi will leave us.

A lesser manager may well kick and claw a way back via the play offs I have no doubt but without Garde the concept of long term planning and secure reestablishment in the Premiership will go with him.  Our ambition will be to be like West Bromwich Albion.


I'm not so sure.

There is a  massive opportunity at Villa, and Hollis has the chance of lifetime to cover himself in glory.

I had the good fortune (it almost chokes me to say this) to watch Spurs at WHL with wife who's al lifelong Spurs supporter but loves football generally and is therefore a Villa season ticket holder.

When you see where they are and heading compared to where we are and heading, you can see the massive opportunity for us with the right boardroom management. 

WHL is a small dump.  They need to build a new stadium and rent Wembley for a year, whereas we already have everything we need built or could easily be added to.

The major difference since MON left us is that Levy has continued to develop Spurs and we've been mismanaged to unbelievably negligent levels.

I'm optimistic that although it might take time, with the right chairman and board there's a massive opportunity ahead.

Nice to see some positivity. However the difference with Spurs even whilst they've been in 36,000 seater WHL is that their matchday income still dwarfed ours even when we were getting 40k or close to. As Chico has alluded to STs and ticket prices are a lot higher, and they attract a lot more corporate clients.

Of course their revenues are higher.  And that's largely down to the corporate deals, rather than ticket sales.

But surely the opportunity/challenge of making the biggest team in the Midlands at least on a par with the 3rd biggest team in London is not unreasonable.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 29, 2016, 02:03:32 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: hoyle87 on February 29, 2016, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 29, 2016, 08:09:32 AM
The big crunch is going to come when Remi meets Hollis in the summer and presents his list of demands if he is to stay.  That meeting will define the future of the club for years to come.  It is absolutely essential that the insane budgetary constraints of last January are not repeated but I have serious doubts about the reason why Lerner has put Hollis in place.  I fear that Hollis will serve his master and Remi will leave us.

A lesser manager may well kick and claw a way back via the play offs I have no doubt but without Garde the concept of long term planning and secure reestablishment in the Premiership will go with him.  Our ambition will be to be like West Bromwich Albion.


I'm not so sure.

There is a  massive opportunity at Villa, and Hollis has the chance of lifetime to cover himself in glory.

I had the good fortune (it almost chokes me to say this) to watch Spurs at WHL with wife who's al lifelong Spurs supporter but loves football generally and is therefore a Villa season ticket holder.

When you see where they are and heading compared to where we are and heading, you can see the massive opportunity for us with the right boardroom management. 

WHL is a small dump.  They need to build a new stadium and rent Wembley for a year, whereas we already have everything we need built or could easily be added to.

The major difference since MON left us is that Levy has continued to develop Spurs and we've been mismanaged to unbelievably negligent levels.

I'm optimistic that although it might take time, with the right chairman and board there's a massive opportunity ahead.

Nice to see some positivity. However the difference with Spurs even whilst they've been in 36,000 seater WHL is that their matchday income still dwarfed ours even when we were getting 40k or close to. As Chico has alluded to STs and ticket prices are a lot higher, and they attract a lot more corporate clients.

Of course their revenues are higher.  And that's largely down to the corporate deals, rather than ticket sales.

But surely the opportunity/challenge of making the biggest team in the Midlands at least on a par with the 3rd biggest team in London is not unreasonable.




Not sure if these represent the latest stats, but Spurs' matchday revenue is £35m, compared to £13m at Villa. And there's an almost unlimited supply of rich Hertfordshire residents will be queuing for tickets to the new stadium

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/29/premier-league-finances-club-by-club
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on February 29, 2016, 02:03:53 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: hoyle87 on February 29, 2016, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 29, 2016, 08:09:32 AM
The big crunch is going to come when Remi meets Hollis in the summer and presents his list of demands if he is to stay.  That meeting will define the future of the club for years to come.  It is absolutely essential that the insane budgetary constraints of last January are not repeated but I have serious doubts about the reason why Lerner has put Hollis in place.  I fear that Hollis will serve his master and Remi will leave us.

A lesser manager may well kick and claw a way back via the play offs I have no doubt but without Garde the concept of long term planning and secure reestablishment in the Premiership will go with him.  Our ambition will be to be like West Bromwich Albion.


I'm not so sure.

There is a  massive opportunity at Villa, and Hollis has the chance of lifetime to cover himself in glory.

I had the good fortune (it almost chokes me to say this) to watch Spurs at WHL with wife who's al lifelong Spurs supporter but loves football generally and is therefore a Villa season ticket holder.

When you see where they are and heading compared to where we are and heading, you can see the massive opportunity for us with the right boardroom management. 

WHL is a small dump.  They need to build a new stadium and rent Wembley for a year, whereas we already have everything we need built or could easily be added to.

The major difference since MON left us is that Levy has continued to develop Spurs and we've been mismanaged to unbelievably negligent levels.

I'm optimistic that although it might take time, with the right chairman and board there's a massive opportunity ahead.

Nice to see some positivity. However the difference with Spurs even whilst they've been in 36,000 seater WHL is that their matchday income still dwarfed ours even when we were getting 40k or close to. As Chico has alluded to STs and ticket prices are a lot higher, and they attract a lot more corporate clients.

Of course their revenues are higher.  And that's largely down to the corporate deals, rather than ticket sales.

But surely the opportunity/challenge of making the biggest team in the Midlands at least on a par with the 3rd biggest team in London is not unreasonable.

You would think not. However the lack of interest in buying the club tells us that perhaps people outside of this region don't care too much for it or us, and it's only a challenge that would really interest a Villa man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on February 29, 2016, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 29, 2016, 02:03:32 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: hoyle87 on February 29, 2016, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 29, 2016, 08:09:32 AM
The big crunch is going to come when Remi meets Hollis in the summer and presents his list of demands if he is to stay.  That meeting will define the future of the club for years to come.  It is absolutely essential that the insane budgetary constraints of last January are not repeated but I have serious doubts about the reason why Lerner has put Hollis in place.  I fear that Hollis will serve his master and Remi will leave us.

A lesser manager may well kick and claw a way back via the play offs I have no doubt but without Garde the concept of long term planning and secure reestablishment in the Premiership will go with him.  Our ambition will be to be like West Bromwich Albion.


I'm not so sure.

There is a  massive opportunity at Villa, and Hollis has the chance of lifetime to cover himself in glory.

I had the good fortune (it almost chokes me to say this) to watch Spurs at WHL with wife who's al lifelong Spurs supporter but loves football generally and is therefore a Villa season ticket holder.

When you see where they are and heading compared to where we are and heading, you can see the massive opportunity for us with the right boardroom management. 

WHL is a small dump.  They need to build a new stadium and rent Wembley for a year, whereas we already have everything we need built or could easily be added to.

The major difference since MON left us is that Levy has continued to develop Spurs and we've been mismanaged to unbelievably negligent levels.

I'm optimistic that although it might take time, with the right chairman and board there's a massive opportunity ahead.

Nice to see some positivity. However the difference with Spurs even whilst they've been in 36,000 seater WHL is that their matchday income still dwarfed ours even when we were getting 40k or close to. As Chico has alluded to STs and ticket prices are a lot higher, and they attract a lot more corporate clients.

Of course their revenues are higher.  And that's largely down to the corporate deals, rather than ticket sales.

But surely the opportunity/challenge of making the biggest team in the Midlands at least on a par with the 3rd biggest team in London is not unreasonable.




Not sure if these represent the latest stats, but Spurs' matchday revenue is £35m, compared to £13m at Villa. And there's an almost unlimited supply of rich Hertfordshire residents will be queuing for tickets to the new stadium

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/29/premier-league-finances-club-by-club

Just had a look back at the last season of the MON tenure (2009-10), it surprised me that our matchday revenue was actually just above Spurs' at that point, 21m v 20m. Just shows the completely opposite directions we've gone in since, theirs is getting on for double whilst we've lost almost half of ours.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 02:25:56 PM
Matching Spurs is not without its challenges, but we're not talking about catching Man Utd here.

All I'm trying to say is that we've gone backwards whereas they've moved on and are now challenging for the title with the league's 6th highest turnover.

We were 9th on the same set of figures.  Surely any businessman worth his salt would feel that would be a gap that could be closed?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on February 29, 2016, 02:35:11 PM
Quote
wasn't sure about the striker situation but I believed that our midfield would have contributed a lot more than they have. Especially as that is one of the good things Sherwood did when he arrived. The midfield really attacked the area and contributed to some key goals last season. It just didn't happen this season and it has hurt us.

Absolutely. To spend £20M on two central midfielders (Gueye and Veretout) who have yet to contribute a single goal between them in the league should be enough to get Reilly sacked straight off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: stuart r on February 29, 2016, 02:44:47 PM
Dean Smith or Gary Rowett... Oops... Did I say that out loud?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: conman on February 29, 2016, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: stuart r on February 29, 2016, 02:44:47 PM
Dean Smith or Gary Rowett... Oops... Did I say that out loud?
simon grayson
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on February 29, 2016, 03:01:28 PM
If Remi went I think Rowett would be my man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on February 29, 2016, 03:32:31 PM
Never mind catching Spurs, we've fallen way behind such footballing giants as Stoke, West Ham and Southampton.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on February 29, 2016, 03:37:37 PM
Quote from: Risso on February 29, 2016, 03:32:31 PM
Never mind catching Spurs, we've fallen way behind such footballing giants as Stoke, West Ham and Southampton.

Albion!

Swansea!

Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 29, 2016, 03:46:52 PM
I would also say that Watford and Bournemouth have far more talented and able squads.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: RussellC on February 29, 2016, 04:23:55 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on February 29, 2016, 03:46:52 PM
I would also say that Watford and Bournemouth have far more talented and able squads.

And board-rooms.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 29, 2016, 05:03:15 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on February 29, 2016, 03:01:28 PM
If Remi went I think Rowett would be my man.

I'd consider him, too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 29, 2016, 05:06:47 PM
It is pretty obvious that we are looking to follow the Southampton approach but taking it too literally by going down to League 2 first before coming back...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: glasses on February 29, 2016, 05:14:42 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on February 29, 2016, 05:03:15 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on February 29, 2016, 03:01:28 PM
If Remi went I think Rowett would be my man.

I'd consider him, too.
It would put to bed the myth that we didn't want McLeish because he was Blues manager anyway.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 29, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
Rowett would be a good choice not only because he is proving himself at that level with next to no resources, but naturally it would fuck them off no end. The only good thing they've had going for them in ages, and he jumps ship to the place he actually wants to be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 29, 2016, 05:40:13 PM
Let's face it, no manager with an ounce of credibility would risk his reputation coming here under these jokers. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on February 29, 2016, 05:55:14 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 29, 2016, 02:03:32 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: hoyle87 on February 29, 2016, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 29, 2016, 08:09:32 AM
The big crunch is going to come when Remi meets Hollis in the summer and presents his list of demands if he is to stay.  That meeting will define the future of the club for years to come.  It is absolutely essential that the insane budgetary constraints of last January are not repeated but I have serious doubts about the reason why Lerner has put Hollis in place.  I fear that Hollis will serve his master and Remi will leave us.

A lesser manager may well kick and claw a way back via the play offs I have no doubt but without Garde the concept of long term planning and secure reestablishment in the Premiership will go with him.  Our ambition will be to be like West Bromwich Albion.


I'm not so sure.

There is a  massive opportunity at Villa, and Hollis has the chance of lifetime to cover himself in glory.

I had the good fortune (it almost chokes me to say this) to watch Spurs at WHL with wife who's al lifelong Spurs supporter but loves football generally and is therefore a Villa season ticket holder.

When you see where they are and heading compared to where we are and heading, you can see the massive opportunity for us with the right boardroom management. 

WHL is a small dump.  They need to build a new stadium and rent Wembley for a year, whereas we already have everything we need built or could easily be added to.

The major difference since MON left us is that Levy has continued to develop Spurs and we've been mismanaged to unbelievably negligent levels.

I'm optimistic that although it might take time, with the right chairman and board there's a massive opportunity ahead.

Nice to see some positivity. However the difference with Spurs even whilst they've been in 36,000 seater WHL is that their matchday income still dwarfed ours even when we were getting 40k or close to. As Chico has alluded to STs and ticket prices are a lot higher, and they attract a lot more corporate clients.

Of course their revenues are higher.  And that's largely down to the corporate deals, rather than ticket sales.

But surely the opportunity/challenge of making the biggest team in the Midlands at least on a par with the 3rd biggest team in London is not unreasonable.




Not sure if these represent the latest stats, but Spurs' matchday revenue is £35m, compared to £13m at Villa. And there's an almost unlimited supply of rich Hertfordshire residents will be queuing for tickets to the new stadium

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/29/premier-league-finances-club-by-club

Whilst the London factor certainly has an effect, the more TV money keeps going up the smaller that effect is.  I don't see Man U, Man C, Liverpool and to a lesser extent Everton struggling because they're not in London.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 29, 2016, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: Des Little on February 29, 2016, 05:40:13 PM
Let's face it, no manager with an ounce of credibility would risk his reputation coming here under these jokers. 

Rowett is one of the few men in football employed by an even bigger shambles.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 29, 2016, 06:51:08 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 29, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
Rowett would be a good choice not only because he is proving himself at that level with next to no resources, but naturally it would fuck them off no end. The only good thing they've had going for them in ages, and he jumps ship to the place he actually wants to be.

this
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: WarszaVillan on February 29, 2016, 06:52:37 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 29, 2016, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: Des Little on February 29, 2016, 05:40:13 PM
Let's face it, no manager with an ounce of credibility would risk his reputation coming here under these jokers. 

Rowett is one of the few men in football employed by an even bigger shambles.

Which could be in a division above us next year
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on February 29, 2016, 06:53:14 PM
Quote from: oldtimernow on February 29, 2016, 01:52:37 PM
you can put your arm around players going through lean spells,

you can give them a rollicking from time to time

when you've no alternatives they know that they don't really need to bust a gut and there is not a lot you can do about it if they just can't be arsed when they step on the pitch


the curse of the modern footballer and football in general, I'm nearly ready to give up on it all


well they all had the right attitude once. You just can't have a half-arsed attitude to football and get to premiership level because you'd be dumped before you made your youth team debut for your 1st club, let alone get a move somewhere better. It's a combination of various things this season - no confidence in themselves, the tactics or the manager being a big factor. Yes we may be technically a poor side but that doesn't explain some of the performances
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on February 29, 2016, 06:54:45 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on February 29, 2016, 06:52:37 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 29, 2016, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: Des Little on February 29, 2016, 05:40:13 PM
Let's face it, no manager with an ounce of credibility would risk his reputation coming here under these jokers. 

Rowett is one of the few men in football employed by an even bigger shambles.

Which could be in a division above us next year


There's more chance of us staying up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: WarszaVillan on February 29, 2016, 07:11:16 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 29, 2016, 06:54:45 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on February 29, 2016, 06:52:37 PM
Quote from: LeeB on February 29, 2016, 06:43:48 PM
Quote from: Des Little on February 29, 2016, 05:40:13 PM
Let's face it, no manager with an ounce of credibility would risk his reputation coming here under these jokers. 

Rowett is one of the few men in football employed by an even bigger shambles.

Which could be in a division above us next year


There's more chance of us staying up.

I hope you're right, but they are only 4 points off the play-offs with a game in hand
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2016, 07:31:01 PM
They're shite, don't lose any sleep.

They'll get their cup final in the second division next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on February 29, 2016, 09:49:52 PM
Quote from: Billy Walker on February 29, 2016, 03:01:28 PM
If Remi went I think Rowett would be my man.

If we are going down the route of ex Blues managers, it would be Hughton for me. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 29, 2016, 09:52:23 PM
Warbutton for me. Rowett would not come.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2016, 09:56:58 PM
Of course he'd come.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 29, 2016, 10:07:33 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 29, 2016, 09:56:58 PM
Of course he'd come.

Really? I'm not being funny honestly. Given the shit that McLeish got? Yes, Rowett is a Villa fan but history us against him on this one. I'm not sure he'd be brave enough right now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: WarszaVillan on February 29, 2016, 10:13:15 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 29, 2016, 07:31:01 PM
They're shite, don't lose any sleep.

They'll get their cup final in the second division next season.

IF there's any straw left, that would really be the final one for Villa fans (Blues going up that is)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on February 29, 2016, 10:16:31 PM
Quote from: Des Little on February 29, 2016, 10:07:33 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 29, 2016, 09:56:58 PM
Of course he'd come.

Really? I'm not being funny honestly. Given the shit that McLeish got? Yes, Rowett is a Villa fan but history us against him on this one. I'm not sure he'd be brave enough right now.

I'd assume that if we did want him, he'd be bright enough to know that it didn't matter to anyone but the very stupidest that McLeish came from Birmingham, it mattered that he was a rubbish football manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 29, 2016, 10:19:23 PM
His record hasn't been that great recently but I've always thought Steve Clarke would do a good job here, particularly at the level we will soon be at. Thought he did solid work at Albion and never understood why they sacked him as their appointments afterwards of Pepe Mel and Alan Irvine set them back much more.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 29, 2016, 10:21:59 PM
Quote from: Des Little on February 29, 2016, 10:07:33 PM
Quote from: Ads on February 29, 2016, 09:56:58 PM
Of course he'd come.

Really? I'm not being funny honestly. Given the shit that McLeish got? Yes, Rowett is a Villa fan but history us against him on this one. I'm not sure he'd be brave enough right now.
Well that was because he was crap and relegated them twice. I am sure if he came after he had taken them to say Europa League qualification position in the table we would have treated him differently.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 29, 2016, 10:22:33 PM
Quote from: fredm on February 29, 2016, 10:47:02 AM
People keep saying about having Moyes as manager.  I think there is more chance of finding cheese on the moon than that happening.  He will go to a solid, mid table PL team not one scrambling to get out of the Championship on a meagre budget.

Moyes will be the next Newcastle manager if they stay up I reckon. McClaren will be potted end of season regardless....watch us then go for him!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 29, 2016, 10:23:11 PM
Quote from: Richard E on February 29, 2016, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: olaftab on February 29, 2016, 01:12:16 PM
Don't know where to post this but I am just onboard an Emirates flight to Dubai , I am off to Shanghai, and big Ron is  here. Already spoken to him but I will invite him for his favourite tipple when we are in the air and find out what he thinks about is just now.

If you're trying to make us jealous, its working!
Yes and good!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on February 29, 2016, 10:26:09 PM
I would sooner have Hughton than Clarke. He had been awful for successive clubs
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on February 29, 2016, 10:27:23 PM
Quote from: olaftab on February 29, 2016, 10:23:11 PM
Quote from: Richard E on February 29, 2016, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: olaftab on February 29, 2016, 01:12:16 PM
Don't know where to post this but I am just onboard an Emirates flight to Dubai , I am off to Shanghai, and big Ron is  here. Already spoken to him but I will invite him for his favourite tipple when we are in the air and find out what he thinks about is just now.

If you're trying to make us jealous, its working!
Yes and good!

Did you get the lowdown from him then?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on February 29, 2016, 10:27:32 PM
Anyway half way through the flight walked past and found Ron and Lady Atkinson sound asleep however an hour before landing Ron, with good memory, came over and sat in the empty seat next to me and we chatted about the Villa for 20 minutes. His thoughts on current situation are actually no different from those expressed on these pages. He does think with Remi we will be straight back😊
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on February 29, 2016, 10:45:21 PM
Quote from: olaftab on February 29, 2016, 10:27:32 PM
Anyway half way through the flight walked past and found Ron and Lady Atkinson sound asleep however an hour before landing Ron, with good memory, came over and sat in the empty seat next to me and we chatted about the Villa for 20 minutes. His thoughts on current situation are actually no different from those expressed on these pages. He does think with Remi we will be straight back😊

So he's been on the Larrup then...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Concrete Tom on March 01, 2016, 04:39:28 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on February 29, 2016, 02:03:32 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:57:47 PM
Quote from: hoyle87 on February 29, 2016, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on February 29, 2016, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: brian green on February 29, 2016, 08:09:32 AM
The big crunch is going to come when Remi meets Hollis in the summer and presents his list of demands if he is to stay.  That meeting will define the future of the club for years to come.  It is absolutely essential that the insane budgetary constraints of last January are not repeated but I have serious doubts about the reason why Lerner has put Hollis in place.  I fear that Hollis will serve his master and Remi will leave us.

A lesser manager may well kick and claw a way back via the play offs I have no doubt but without Garde the concept of long term planning and secure reestablishment in the Premiership will go with him.  Our ambition will be to be like West Bromwich Albion.


I'm not so sure.

There is a  massive opportunity at Villa, and Hollis has the chance of lifetime to cover himself in glory.

I had the good fortune (it almost chokes me to say this) to watch Spurs at WHL with wife who's al lifelong Spurs supporter but loves football generally and is therefore a Villa season ticket holder.

When you see where they are and heading compared to where we are and heading, you can see the massive opportunity for us with the right boardroom management. 

WHL is a small dump.  They need to build a new stadium and rent Wembley for a year, whereas we already have everything we need built or could easily be added to.

The major difference since MON left us is that Levy has continued to develop Spurs and we've been mismanaged to unbelievably negligent levels.

I'm optimistic that although it might take time, with the right chairman and board there's a massive opportunity ahead.

Nice to see some positivity. However the difference with Spurs even whilst they've been in 36,000 seater WHL is that their matchday income still dwarfed ours even when we were getting 40k or close to. As Chico has alluded to STs and ticket prices are a lot higher, and they attract a lot more corporate clients.

Of course their revenues are higher.  And that's largely down to the corporate deals, rather than ticket sales.

But surely the opportunity/challenge of making the biggest team in the Midlands at least on a par with the 3rd biggest team in London is not unreasonable.




Not sure if these represent the latest stats, but Spurs' matchday revenue is £35m, compared to £13m at Villa. And there's an almost unlimited supply of rich Hertfordshire residents will be queuing for tickets to the new stadium

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/29/premier-league-finances-club-by-club

Not this Hertfordshire resident.

I pop down to the odd Watford game but Villa is where my loyalties lie.

Most of the plastics down this way are Gunners.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 01, 2016, 08:18:10 PM
i'm reluctantly coming to the conclusion that Garde and the Villa isn't a tight fit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 01, 2016, 08:22:32 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 01, 2016, 08:18:10 PM
i'm reluctantly coming to the conclusion that Garde and the Villa isn't a tight fit.
Remember when Flava Flav married Brigitte Nielsen? It's about as good a fit as that to be honest.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on March 01, 2016, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 01, 2016, 08:18:10 PM
i'm reluctantly coming to the conclusion that Garde and the Villa isn't a tight fit.

Came to the conclusion a year ago that any manager and the Villa are a poor fit. The next chump to take the job is in for a terrible time - and nowt will change until their is a change of ownership
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 01, 2016, 09:41:10 PM
Still can't hate him given what he's walked into, and i don't buy him waiting for a pay-off. More likely professional pride, BUT he has to go. Crap starting XI, crap defending, crap tactics, crap attacking, players either don't like him or don't believe in him.. Out of his depth, shellshocked, and finished. Stick anyone in to the end of the season, maybe an ex-villa man not looking for the job who can at least instill Aston Villa traditions back into the side and more importantly lift the club and supporters. Any other club which didn't have the frightened retards in the boardroom would be calling him in tomorrow morning to collect his P45
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 09:42:38 PM
I like the idea of Remi Garde more than I like Remi Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FanNOTCustomer on March 01, 2016, 09:52:04 PM
Sure he's a nice guy etc but he's needs to consider an alternative career because he's a fucking wank football manager and has failed miserably ...rigid, failed to get best out of players (any of them!). 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 01, 2016, 09:56:20 PM
Let's face it he's been bloody hopeless hasn't he. I know he's been hung out to dry even before he took over, but he's offered precious little so far. Not even a new manager bounce (that even Sherwood managed). Cynical, I know, but he was only employed be use he was cheap, wasn't he?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 01, 2016, 09:57:46 PM
Next!!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on March 01, 2016, 10:00:07 PM
Hate to say it but looking like the pundits we derided were right. He was shafted in jan but seems to have exacerbated rifts in the squad and hasn't instilled any passion in the team or fanbase.

If we're stuck with this squad - what a thought - Garde aint the answer
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 01, 2016, 10:03:02 PM
Nice man, poor manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 01, 2016, 10:03:36 PM
He's been dealt a crap hand, but then he's given up.  Just as bad as Agbonlahor and Richards in that respect.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:03:59 PM
I honestly think he's decided he won't stay, but would it be a good idea to get a new manager in now? Not a lot of point since we're not even fighting now. We'll confirm relegation, he'll be sacked and we'll see out the season with KMac.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FanNOTCustomer on March 01, 2016, 10:06:19 PM
And it looks like from the start the British players have never played for him...not his fault but any many worth their weight should be able to turn that around...

I think they see him as a bit of a mug....the foreigners less so, but they are useless.

And not utilising Adama has been criminal....nobody will ever be able to tell me he isn't good enough to get into this team, never.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on March 01, 2016, 10:11:26 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 01, 2016, 09:56:20 PM
Cynical, I know, but he was only employed be use he was cheap, wasn't he?
Why, how much is he being paid?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on March 01, 2016, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 09:42:38 PM
I like the idea of Remi Garde more than I like Remi Garde.

Yes. I have come to the same conclusion. Been hung out to dry and think the big factor is not getting his trusted assistants in. He needs help and hasn't had it or the support. Can he bring us back? At,the moment I think we could drop like a stone as Wigan have. A crying shame and disgrace but no surprise, years of mismanagement have come to roost.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hillbilly on March 01, 2016, 10:12:53 PM
Hopefully he's just given up on this bunch now, is not wasting breath on them and is working on their replacements.

Let's look at some other managers. Football hipster Klopp who's taken a very expensive midtable Liverpool side to exactly where they were before he took over. Management legend Van Gaal has taken Man U from playing catch up to the top 4 to playing catch up to the top 4. Second Choice Steve has taken Newcastle from flirting with relegation to flirting with relegation. Avoiding relegation expert Fat Sam has not worked his magic at Sunderland. And yet somehow we expect Garde to come in and take a shower of shite that had lost 7 or 8 on the bounce, had been circling the plughole for 5 years and pull them kicking and screaming up the table? I can't blame him. But there'll be no excuses next season if he stays.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2016, 10:15:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on March 01, 2016, 10:11:26 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 01, 2016, 09:56:20 PM
Cynical, I know, but he was only employed be use he was cheap, wasn't he?
Why, how much is he being paid?

The "on the cheap" argument in this case is so spurious and fucking boring.

Like the reason we went for Garde was because he was cheaper than some amazingly proven manager who was just waiting to step in and taking over a team which, after one quarter of the season, already stank of death.

Yeah, the reason we've got so many shit players is largely because they were cheap - although far from all of them - but I reckon the lower leagues are full of lots of other managers who would have taken less than Garde does.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 01, 2016, 10:17:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on March 01, 2016, 10:11:26 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 01, 2016, 09:56:20 PM
Cynical, I know, but he was only employed be use he was cheap, wasn't he?
Why, how much is he being paid?

I was talking more about him being more willing to work with our pitiful budget more than what he's earning.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FanNOTCustomer on March 01, 2016, 10:21:39 PM
I bet he's crap in bed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 01, 2016, 10:23:29 PM
Quote from: FanNOTCustomer on March 01, 2016, 10:21:39 PM
I bet he's crap in bed.

No idea why, but this made me laugh.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 01, 2016, 10:24:14 PM
I still like him, but my suspicion - that he wasn't the sort of manager we needed to lead a squad of half-arsed, lazy twats in a desperate scrap for survival - is being confirmed.

Not that it will have made much difference. Maybe someone with hints of psychopathy like Pearson could have scared them into performing, but I doubt it. In addition to having a shit attitude...they are just shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on March 01, 2016, 10:26:50 PM
Seems to me we keep him and let him get rid of all the shit (pretty much everyone) and bring in whoever he wants.

Or, we're keeping these players, so therefore we need a manager who they will play for and won't use the players as an excuse every game, when, after not winning many matches, you really need to be looking at yourself as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 01, 2016, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on March 01, 2016, 10:26:50 PM
Seems to me we keep him and let him get rid of all the shit (pretty much everyone) and bring in whoever he wants.

Or, we're keeping these players, so therefore we need a manager who they will play for and won't use the players as an excuse every game, when, after not winning many matches, you really need to be looking at yourself as well.

I think he'll go.  I don't think Lerner will stand for him calling the board out over the lack of transfers, but Lerner won't sack a second manager in the season, when we're dead and buried anyway.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 01, 2016, 10:30:31 PM
Poor again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 01, 2016, 10:31:07 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 01, 2016, 10:17:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on March 01, 2016, 10:11:26 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 01, 2016, 09:56:20 PM
Cynical, I know, but he was only employed be use he was cheap, wasn't he?
Why, how much is he being paid?

I was talking more about him being more willing to work with our pitiful budget more than what he's earning.

Given his demanour since the end of January you have to conclude he was promised decent funds when he signed and at some point in January that was swiftly withdrawn from him.

Think he'll resign a week or so after the Arsenal game, put it this way why on earth would he stay? He'll be managing in a league he knows very little about and we're a basket case of a club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 01, 2016, 10:31:22 PM
He's the right manager for the next post, the rebuilding, but he'll be tainted and undermined what he's overseen, and he'll have to go because that's the way it is.

We will then employ the wrong type of manager for the role, because we employ some ridiculous criteria like "must wear Joop aftershave".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:31:59 PM
Pearson to me is everything we got from Sherwood. He comes in, acts the big I am and has loads of brainless football hacks thinking he's got some magical dressing room elixir, when in actual fact all he does is recognise which are his best players and plays them. It's when form dips these kind of chancers get found out.

If there's any money being doled out for a rebuilding job, I'd line up Moyes in a heartbeat and give it to him. Nothing against Garde, but most of the players we saw tonight will still be forming part of our team next season and quite frankly, they hate each other.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2016, 10:32:19 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 01, 2016, 10:31:22 PM
He's the right manager for the next post, the rebuilding, but he'll be tainted and undermined what he's overseen, and he'll have to go because that's the way it is.

We will then employ the wrong type of manager for the role, because we employ some ridiculous criteria like "must wear Joop aftershave".

And, sadly, that is EXACTLY what will happen.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on March 01, 2016, 10:32:59 PM
That breathtakingly, shockingly bad decision to not back the new manager in the January window caps off the five years of crass, cack-handed Lerner austerity quite nicely.  Words still fail me.  Anger, frustration, despair, I can no longer capture the feelings that I have. You think Lerner (and it must be Lerner who sets the tone and has the final say) reaches an impossible to beat low when it comes to incompetence and flaky thinking and then he goes and simply trumps it a couple of months later.  Remi has been absolutely stitched up like a kipper and I would love him to walk now with his head held high - he does not deserve to go into the history books as the man who took us down.  Walk away Remi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2016, 10:33:31 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:31:59 PM
Pearson to me is everything we got from Sherwood. He comes in, acts the big I am and has loads of brainless football hacks thinking he's got some magical dressing room elixir, when in actual fact all he does is recognise which are his best players and plays them. It's when form dips these kind of chancers get found out.

If there's any money being doled out for a rebuilding job, I'd line up Moyes in a heartbeat and give it to him. Nothing against Garde, but most of the players we saw tonight will still be forming part of our team next season and quite frankly, they hate each other.

Honestly, I thought I'd seen the full extent of stupidity from Lerner and his brainless cronies up until this season, but I now wouldn't put it past him to go that one step further and hire an out and out mentalist Sleaford Mod tribute act like Pearson.

He really is that stupid, and the people he employs are even more stupid.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 01, 2016, 10:34:46 PM
Well that's it for me.  I think he needs to go now.  It's a difficult decision but my reasons are:

1.  Quite clear these absolute Tossers are not playing for him. 
2. We know we are going down so spend the last ten games with an experienced manager in charge to assess the squad and we might even get a bit of momentum.
3. We need Graham Taylor Mark II it involves root and branch surgery and to me he doesn't fill me with confidence to deliver that.

I maintain he could be a very decent manager in time but just not now, not under these circumstances.  This is the footballing equivalent of saying to Remi 'it's not you its me.'
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:35:34 PM
He will. A rebuilding job is too expensive, and he'll have seen a measured, calm man in Garde and assumed it was due to personal failure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2016, 10:37:41 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 01, 2016, 10:34:46 PM

1.  Quite clear these absolute Tossers are not playing for him. 

These ****** aren't going to play for anyone.

And if they really won't play for him, then they are the main problem at the club, and it is they who need to be moved on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 01, 2016, 10:38:01 PM
I couldn't have anything to do with a team managed by Pearson.  He'd probably improve results, but that would be too high a price to pay to have our club associated with him in any way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on March 01, 2016, 10:39:28 PM
I can't see how he can rebuild. We will be stuck with the majority of these players as nobody will buy them and the accountants won't write them off. Things could get a lot worse before they potentially get better.
He will walk.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 01, 2016, 10:39:28 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 01, 2016, 10:38:01 PM
I couldn't have anything to do with a team managed by Pearson.  He'd probably improve results, but that would be too high a price to pay to have our club associated with him in any way.

Have we not suffered enough?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:39:42 PM
I've honestly never seen such a gulf between coach and players, apart from maybe Leeds United and Brian Clough. It'd be quite amusing, were it not happening to us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 01, 2016, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2016, 10:37:41 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 01, 2016, 10:34:46 PM

1.  Quite clear these absolute Tossers are not playing for him. 

These c***s aren't going to play for anyone.

And if they really won't play for him, then they are the main problem at the club, and it is they who need to be moved on.

I 95% agree, but one thing I've learned over the years is that telling somebody they're shit in whatever walk of life you happen to be in, is a sure fire way to make them perform even more badly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 01, 2016, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 01, 2016, 10:38:01 PM
I couldn't have anything to do with a team managed by Pearson.  He'd probably improve results, but that would be too high a price to pay to have our club associated with him in any way.

Likewise.

I just couldn't do it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:41:28 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on March 01, 2016, 10:39:28 PM
I can't see how he can rebuild. We will be stuck with the majority of these players as nobody will buy them and the accountants won't write them off. Things could get a lot worse before they potentially get better.

Imagine sacking most of a team. I can't think of any situation where that's happened. The easiest thing from an owner point of view is get rid of the manager and let somebody else have a crack at the mess.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 01, 2016, 10:44:45 PM
Bacuna Westwood Richards Agbonlahor. Garde lets himself down, almost weakens his argument for clemency by constantly playing these players. Dealt a shit hand? Yes, sure. Not properly supported? Yup. But, I would expect more integrity, fight, better motivation and professional pride from them all.

After watching the second goal at Stoke and seeing the lack of effort from Bacuna, yet he still gets picked, Garde is also at fault in some way too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:44:58 PM
The troubling aspect of replacing Garde with say, Moyes, is to ask what he could do with these players? In his times, Garde must have tried everything: bollockings, befriending, cajoling, injecting confidence...at a push, it's worked somewhat with Veretout and Ayew. But all of a sudden, a Scotsman will draw blood from a stone where a Frenchman couldn't? That squad is toxic, and it'll be a few years and a few managers before it's properly cleansed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2016, 10:47:04 PM
Why is Moyes going to come here in the Championship? I appreciate he's had a couple of duff appointments, but his stock is better than taking over a fucking express train heading towards a cliff.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on March 01, 2016, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:41:28 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on March 01, 2016, 10:39:28 PM
I can't see how he can rebuild. We will be stuck with the majority of these players as nobody will buy them and the accountants won't write them off. Things could get a lot worse before they potentially get better.

Imagine sacking most of a team. I can't think of any situation where that's happened. The easiest thing from an owner point of view is get rid of the manager and let somebody else have a crack at the mess.

Wait till the results of the far reaching investigation into "the disastrous campaign" come out. There will be hell to pay.

Or maybe not. For some reason I am minded of the Chilcot Inquiry on the Iraq war.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:48:19 PM
Just an example. Moyes is as likely to come to Villa as I am to bag a weekend in Rhyl with Mila Kunis.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 01, 2016, 10:48:35 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:44:58 PM
The troubling aspect of replacing Garde with say, Moyes, is to ask what he could do with these players? In his times, Garde must have tried everything: bollockings, befriending, cajoling, injecting confidence...at a push, it's worked somewhat with Veretout and Ayew. But all of a sudden, a Scotsman will draw blood from a stone where a Frenchman couldn't? That squad is toxic, and it'll be a few years and a few managers before it's properly cleansed.

I hate to say it but I bet Tiny Penis would get something out of them. Not that I want him as our next Manager mind. Perhaps Remi is just not a strong enough character.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FanNOTCustomer on March 01, 2016, 10:48:59 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 01, 2016, 10:38:01 PM
I couldn't have anything to do with a team managed by Pearson.  He'd probably improve results, but that would be too high a price to pay to have our club associated with him in any way.

This. He was a complete PR disaster at a little family club like Leicester, imagine what he'd be like with the pressure of this job and our fans. Disaster written all over it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on March 01, 2016, 10:49:16 PM
There's absolutely no doubt that the players aren't playing for him as Kippax said earlier. Look at the first goal tonight...Sunday morning defending (or lack of) - making a total mockery of any pre match planning or instruction. They're taking the Royal piss out of him, and us too.

The problem is, as I've said before- who on earth would come here?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 01, 2016, 10:51:50 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 01, 2016, 10:48:35 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:44:58 PM
The troubling aspect of replacing Garde with say, Moyes, is to ask what he could do with these players? In his times, Garde must have tried everything: bollockings, befriending, cajoling, injecting confidence...at a push, it's worked somewhat with Veretout and Ayew. But all of a sudden, a Scotsman will draw blood from a stone where a Frenchman couldn't? That squad is toxic, and it'll be a few years and a few managers before it's properly cleansed.

I hate to say it but I bet Tiny Penis would get something out of them. Not that I want him as our next Manager mind. Perhaps Remi is just not a strong enough character.

Perhaps he's not that strong, but really, these players are ******.

I actively dislike most of them. Not just as players, but as people.

****** like Lescott and his 120k car tweet, Gabby and his "you doubted me but I've just scored for the first time in about 3 years" showboating, Bacuna and his 'couldn't give a fuck' routine, Westwood and his standing there, pointing and trying to look enigmatic as runners stream past him unimpeded, Guzan's stupid fucking gormless "chucked one in" face, Richards thinking he's charlie big bollocks ...

I would say I actively detest 3/4 of our players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 01, 2016, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: Des Little on March 01, 2016, 10:49:16 PM
There's absolutely no doubt that the players aren't playing for him as Kippax said earlier. Look at the first goal tonight...Sunday morning defending (or lack of) - making a total mockery of any ore match planning or instruction. They're taking the Royal piss out of him, and us too.

The problem is, as I've said before- who on earth would come here?

I think he made a big mistake the other week when he came out and said he wasn't getting what he wanted from the players during training. It was amateurish, and something Sherwood would have been slaughtered for if he had been so stupid enough to come out with it. He went down in my estimation when I read that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on March 01, 2016, 10:52:14 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 01, 2016, 10:48:35 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:44:58 PM
The troubling aspect of replacing Garde with say, Moyes, is to ask what he could do with these players? In his times, Garde must have tried everything: bollockings, befriending, cajoling, injecting confidence...at a push, it's worked somewhat with Veretout and Ayew. But all of a sudden, a Scotsman will draw blood from a stone where a Frenchman couldn't? That squad is toxic, and it'll be a few years and a few managers before it's properly cleansed.

I hate to say it but I bet Tiny Penis would get something out of them. Not that I want him as our next Manager mind. Perhaps Remi is just not a strong enough character.

TS was a 'strong character'.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:53:31 PM
It goes without saying that the likes of Richards and Lescott are doing themselves no favours either if they stay or if they have designs on leaving. A new broom's going to treat them as you would a pile of runny cat shite, and unless China has designs on diluting their minted league with a couple of useless used-to-be glamour names, they won't be leaving a sinking ship anytime soon.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on March 01, 2016, 10:54:09 PM
Like it or not, what this club needs is someone who knows how to run a fucking football club. 

Given the board is full of marketing managers, bankers and accountants that role is going to have to be filled by the manager.  So whilst it might not be pretty the best thing for the long-term of the club is to get an old school gaffer in (and yes, I do mean a Tony Pulis, Sam Allardyce, etc) who will come in and sort all this shit out and set us up for a Garde-style appointment when we have some upward momentum.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on March 01, 2016, 10:55:58 PM
I have a feeling Fox might get the chop. Randy does look for a fall guy for his failings and the manager cannot be blamed as he wasn't backed.
Ultimately Fox has failed by getting the club relegated and drastically reducing the value of the 'business'. In the corporate world which the yanks live in he will be gone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 01, 2016, 10:57:31 PM
I doubt Fox will be here next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:59:24 PM
Lerner's backroom appointments have all failed. Fox will get his pay off and become CEO somewhere else. Plus ca change.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 01, 2016, 10:59:47 PM
Mossman, TS as in Sherwood? If so, he was a chancer, also out of his depth and arguably found out by the players for his lack of nous.  Strong in opinion but not strong in knowledge?

Paulie, I hate those players too. Flash in the pan, high earning wasters. A stain on our club. A lack of due diligence in the recruitment stage methinks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on March 01, 2016, 10:59:48 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 01, 2016, 10:57:31 PM
I doubt Fox will be here next season.

I don't want that creep here tomorrow
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 11:02:48 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 01, 2016, 10:59:47 PM
Mossman, TS as in Sherwood? If so, he was a chancer, also out of his depth and arguably found out by the players for his lack of nous.  Strong in opinion but not strong in knowledge?

Paulie, I hate those players too. Flash in the pan, high earning wasters. A stain on our club. A lack of due diligence in the recruitment stage methinks.

Age will not weary them. They will go down in history as the worst squad Aston Villa has had.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 01, 2016, 11:07:30 PM
Fox, Garde, Reilly all to go just my opinion.  Garde is acting like he already knows he's going.  For a Wenger protege he does the opposite in terms of keeping player opinions in house.  I agree this lot are theeeeee single biggest bunch of c.... We've ever had but I also think they simply wouldn't be allowed to do this were we to have a Graham Taylor type in charge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 01, 2016, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:48:19 PM
Just an example. Moyes is as likely to come to Villa as I am to bag a weekend in Rhyl with Mila Kunis.

PM me. I can sort this for you.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 11:14:50 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on March 01, 2016, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:48:19 PM
Just an example. Moyes is as likely to come to Villa as I am to bag a weekend in Rhyl with Mila Kunis.

PM me. I can sort this for you.

I know a spam email when I see it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on March 01, 2016, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on March 01, 2016, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:48:19 PM
Just an example. Moyes is as likely to come to Villa as I am to bag a weekend in Rhyl with Mila Kunis.

PM me. I can sort this for you.

PM me too. Your great aunt in Canada has passed away and I need your bank details to get the will paid in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rougegorge on March 01, 2016, 11:19:31 PM
Garde has sulked since the transfer window. I sympathised then but he's done nothing to try to get a tune out of the squad, as much of a rag-bag that it is.

The gap to safety surprisingly hasn't actually grown much in the last few weeks but he mirrors the 'can't be asked'attitude of the players and has ensured we make no inroads or effort to close the gap. It would've been nice to at least try and the very least we should've expected.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 11:21:10 PM
Quote from: Des Little on March 01, 2016, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on March 01, 2016, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:48:19 PM
Just an example. Moyes is as likely to come to Villa as I am to bag a weekend in Rhyl with Mila Kunis.

PM me. I can sort this for you.

PM me too. Your great aunt in Canada has passed away and I need your bank details to get the will paid in.

Piss off, Remi, the transfer window shut a month ago.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: jembob on March 01, 2016, 11:21:25 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on March 01, 2016, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:48:19 PM
Just an example. Moyes is as likely to come to Villa as I am to bag a weekend in Rhyl with Mila Kunis.

PM me. I can sort this for you.
I would doubt that you could sort that, but Colwyn Bay would be a real possibility.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 11:22:30 PM
Quote from: jembob on March 01, 2016, 11:21:25 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on March 01, 2016, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 01, 2016, 10:48:19 PM
Just an example. Moyes is as likely to come to Villa as I am to bag a weekend in Rhyl with Mila Kunis.

PM me. I can sort this for you.
I would doubt that you could sort that, but Colwyn Bay would be a real possibility.

Where Mila Kunis is concerned, I'm anything but Colwyn Bay.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on March 01, 2016, 11:27:22 PM
Where's them tits?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on March 01, 2016, 11:41:16 PM
Beginning to become concerned about Garde.  I have been a supporter, but I don't know whether he has now just given up and is just waiting to leave in the summer.  If I was Hollis, I would be looking for answers from him now.  If his intention is to leave then I would move him on now rather than go through another ten versions of tonight's debacle and either bring in someone new or appoint a caretaker.  Either that or give Garde the assurances he wants and start making decisions about next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 01, 2016, 11:59:32 PM
He's far from being the most responsible person for our relegation but in over half a season he's not done anything other than come across quite well in a couple of interviews. And his recent Sherwoodesque firewalling hasn't endeared him to me. Not good enough to sort out the mess we are currently.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 02, 2016, 12:01:03 AM
He's clueless and doesn't appear to be any more motivated than the rabble he's failing to organise.  Look at that formation and team today, absolute shite.  Scoring has been a problem, so he plays 5 at the back, with two players in Hutton and Cissokho who are not cut out for the wing back position whatsoever.  Playing that 3 all as centre backs doesn't make it any tighter either, it just means you've got three chances of them fucking up, instead of two.  And quite why Bacuna keeps starting instead of Veretout is beyond me.  And as I said earlier, when you have poor employees, absolutely the worst thing you can do is to keep publicly telling them they're shite.  Shite, motivated players, and you have a slim chance.  Shite demotivated players, and you get the carnage we're experiencing.  He wouldn't stand for Hollis publicly slagging him off, in all probability.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 02, 2016, 12:06:39 AM
I wonder if his comments about them was because he knows a number of them don't give a fuck and are going through motions, so it was an attempt to get them at least playing for personal pride etc even if they don't give a fuck about the Villa. In his defence I wouldn't want to be in charge of this lot, I can't remember any time where there seem to be so many players at the club with disgraceful attitudes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Somniloquism on March 02, 2016, 12:15:21 AM
The trouble with Garde is he is now in a catch 22 situation. None of the players are actually good enough to be working with or too inexperienced to be consistent, and also unlike Sherwood, he has come into a club with a schism in the dressing room. But who else can he play but the players in the squad. Yes, you could say just play the kids, but we have seen over the last few seasons that relegation battles scar them anyway. Yes, you could drop Richards, but he has the backing of four or five other players he relies on. Drop then all and then we play kids and hope for no injuries otherwise we have to pick one of those players again, (Gabby after Ayew was sent off and Gestade was injured).

However, as other have stated, he seems to be resigned to leaving, getting the excuses in and maybe even trying to get the sack for his payoff. In which case he can fuck right off with most others currently employed in the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on March 02, 2016, 12:23:35 AM
I think he knows what he is doing but he is playing a dangerous game.

He is determined to show the people who make decisions about transfers that certain players are not fit for purpose in order to make things clearer when decision time comes around. He knows all to well that they will fudge and prevaricate after the results of last summer's farrago and try to argue that many of  theses miscreants might to a job in the lower division.

Unfortunately, much of his perceived backing from the supporter base is more anti-board than pro-Remi if my discussions with fans outside of H&V are any indication and you would not have be Machiavelli to use this to shove him into touch.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 02, 2016, 12:41:12 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on March 01, 2016, 11:41:16 PM
Beginning to become concerned about Garde.  I have been a supporter, but I don't know whether he has now just given up and is just waiting to leave in the summer.  If I was Hollis, I would be looking for answers from him now.  If his intention is to leave then I would move him on now rather than go through another ten versions of tonight's debacle and either bring in someone new or appoint a caretaker.  Either that or give Garde the assurances he wants and start making decisions about next season.


Ditto

His selections are becoming more and more TS weird and if he is calling out players for being non committed losers then he has to carry that through and play some of the kids and change the team.

Doing the same thing, with the same result, is idiotic.

Bacuna. Not starting Gesteded with Ayew tonight. Recalling Guzan. Lescott and Richards in the back 4 despite clearly not right together. Bacuna. Recalling Gabby rather than stick one of the kids in and giving them a go. Not starting Sinclair after 2 lively displays. Bacuna. Not at least trying to play a different style and go all out attack as the defence is a pile of shit. Bacuna.

I accept the squad is rubbish and his hands are somewhat tied, and it needs a huge overhaul, but he just looks like he is turning the handle each week till he walks in May.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 02, 2016, 12:46:01 AM
He's lucky we've had so many shit managers directly before him and the supporters have manager hatred fatigue. I don't think he's earnt his easy ride. If the squad of players are unmotivated and unorganised after six months in his charge then that is his failing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 02, 2016, 12:51:01 AM
Quote from: django on March 02, 2016, 12:46:01 AM
He's lucky we've had so many shit managers directly before him and the supporters have manager hatred fatigue. I don't think he's earnt his easy ride. If the squad of players are unmotivated and unorganised after six months in his charge then that is his failing.

This is what is annoying me. As a minimum we should be organised, resolute and hard to break down, fighting for everything. Instead we are meek and passive, with nary an ounce of passion. That is unforgivable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on March 02, 2016, 12:53:12 AM
Garde's fortunate that in the pecking order of complete mismanagement and apathy we've endured these last 5 years his name is no where near the top.  Lerner, Fox, Faulkner and succession of dreadful managers and players like Gabby, Richards are way above Garde in this shame list.

I'm now pretty sure he's just hanging on for a pay out though I don't really blame him.  He was totally hung out to dry by the board so he's probably thinking fuck em - I know I would be, bunch of incompetent fools that they are.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 02, 2016, 02:45:58 AM
The other day I said I was impressed with what I read in the Guardian article. Tonight I'm confused as to where I stand. Has he just given up? Is he so fucked off that he is picking any old team? As much as the players need hammering to hear it from the manager that the squad lacks quality has to get old. Maybe they've just stopped listening to him on top of not giving a fuck which is a nasty, undesirable combination. As much as I wanted him to stay the other day I'm now beginning to think we need to think we might need a fresh start. Either way Fox has to go, and if Garde does stay or is allowed to stay he needs 100% support from Hollis. Something after all that has been said publicly I don't think he'll get. It's all becoming a bit like the end of Sherwood's time at the club. Again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on March 02, 2016, 04:59:25 AM
Remi , I am afraid , has the appearance of a man who has given up.Who can blame him if he is hanging on for a payout..TheJan transfer window finished any hope he had of doing anything at the club and whoever replaces him will be up against it from day one.It would appear that there is no hope.None at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 02, 2016, 05:05:46 AM
Have had concerns since day 1, right man wrong time concerns, but what I do not accept is this, he is sending a message to those who did not back him, this is a football club loved by thousands that he is using to score points or keep his reputation intact, that to me lines him up with the malcontents he is slagging off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on March 02, 2016, 06:17:20 AM
I dont buy that hes hanging on for a payout, he could have walked the day after the transfer window closed and done the club for constructive dismissal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on March 02, 2016, 07:01:21 AM
Garde is now at the same place Sherwood was, shuffling the pack in the vain hope something will work.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 02, 2016, 07:04:50 AM
When you've let in 8 goals in 2 games, he was always going to make changes. Other than throw a load of kids in, I can't see what else he can do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithe on March 02, 2016, 07:07:04 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on March 02, 2016, 05:05:46 AM
Have had concerns since day 1, right man wrong time concerns, but what I do not accept is this, he is sending a message to those who did not back him, this is a football club loved by thousands that he is using to score points or keep his reputation intact, that to me lines him up with the malcontents he is slagging off.

Possibly right although us getting dry humped every week until May isn't going to do much for his reputation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 02, 2016, 07:23:09 AM
As someone alluded to earlier the very least I would have expected after 18 or so games in charge was for us to be difficult to break down - turgid but effective just to give us an outside chance of winning a game or two by the odd goal. 

I know people say this is the worst squad bla bla but anyone really worth his salt and who has the respect of the players can at least deliver this.  Sunderland have kind of managed it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 02, 2016, 07:33:07 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 02, 2016, 07:23:09 AM
As someone alluded to earlier the very least I would have expected after 18 or so games in charge was for us to be difficult to break down - turgid but effective just to give us an outside chance of winning a game or two by the odd goal. 

I know people say this is the worst squad bla bla but anyone really worth his salt and who has the respect of the players can at least deliver this.  Sunderland have kind of managed it.

Sunderland also kind of managed to sign a few better players in January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on March 02, 2016, 07:38:06 AM
Is KMacunt still at the club? If so why?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 02, 2016, 08:08:08 AM
Quote from: LeeB on March 02, 2016, 07:33:07 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 02, 2016, 07:23:09 AM
As someone alluded to earlier the very least I would have expected after 18 or so games in charge was for us to be difficult to break down - turgid but effective just to give us an outside chance of winning a game or two by the odd goal. 

I know people say this is the worst squad bla bla but anyone really worth his salt and who has the respect of the players can at least deliver this.  Sunderland have kind of managed it.

Sunderland also kind of managed to sign a few better players in January.

This is true of course.  But even before that they at least looked more organised.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 02, 2016, 08:22:28 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 02, 2016, 07:04:50 AM
When you've let in 8 goals in 2 games, he was always going to make changes. Other than throw a load of kids in, I can't see what else he can do.

He could put a rocket up their arseholes, bounce a few of them off the dressing room walls at half time, put some steel in them, encourage them, scare them, keep them on their toes, praise them in public, raise expectations, coach them. It's a shit squad, we all know that, but he seems to be hiding behind that and using it as an excuse for being, frankly, shit himself. I think there are a number of managers who would have made a better fist of the shitty position that Garde was landed in. He's a fucking football manager, his job is to send players out every Saturday ready to fight for the cause. Like the fans do. And if anyone thinks that this shower of absolute pish will do anything other than struggle next season then they must be yampy.

I'm glad I waited until this morning before posting on this thread. I was baying for his blood after last night's result but I've calmed down now
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on March 02, 2016, 08:23:25 AM
We want Lerner out but I expect it won't happen any time yet. Yet more chopping and changing is more likely. There was talk recently of consultants being brought in to carry out a review. What is the remit and timeframe for this and do we know who is doing it? If heads are going to roll lets get on with it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 02, 2016, 08:27:44 AM
Several people I spoke to last night were saying they now wonder if we would have done better sticking with Tactics - personally I don't think it would have made a blind bit of difference apart from he may have had the personality/reputation that would have convinced a couple of players to come in January.

I did think that Garde was a steady hand but he appears to be utterly impotent and unable to change anything. He's marking time to his pay-off and starting to throw players under the bus just like Tim did.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 02, 2016, 08:28:35 AM
Quote from: walsall villain on March 02, 2016, 08:23:25 AM
We want Lerner out but I expect it won't happen any time yet. Yet more chopping and changing is more likely. There was talk recently of consultants being brought in to carry out a review. What is the remit and timeframe for this and do we know who is doing it? If heads are going to roll lets get on with it.

I wouldnt get excited. The heads rolling will be the people who add value to the club (backroom staff). Hollis so far has made it very clear his mandate is to cut costs and stop the red ink on Lerners bank balance. Fox for all his faults at least gives a damn about revenue.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 02, 2016, 08:29:45 AM
Quote from: walsall villain on March 02, 2016, 08:23:25 AM
We want Lerner out but I expect it won't happen any time yet. Yet more chopping and changing is more likely. There was talk recently of consultants being brought in to carry out a review. What is the remit and timeframe for this and do we know who is doing it? If heads are going to roll lets get on with it.

I would love it if the Executive Summary of the report just said "We want Lerner OUT!"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on March 02, 2016, 08:30:17 AM
It's not that the squad is shit, it's that they don't give a shit. They play for a club that's used to losing, so what harm is another defeat going to do? Why bother busting a gut when all is lost anyway? Whether they try hard or not, they still go home in a super car, to a mansion and model wife. They're young millionaires being told what to do by an older, slightly poorer man from a foreign country. Now the die is cast, motivating them is an impossible task.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on March 02, 2016, 08:37:59 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 02, 2016, 07:04:50 AM
When you've let in 8 goals in 2 games, he was always going to make changes. Other than throw a load of kids in, I can't see what else he can do.
Yes i get that, but the new formation lasted 5 minutes before conceding.
Regardless of the formation, he needs to identify the weak points, i.e conceding from corners, ball watching etc',  and fix them first.
Then look at marking, covering, tracking, movement as a team, shape when losing the ball, counter attacking and tell the team what they should be doing.
This is what a Sam Allardyce, or Pulis or Moyes would have brought to this team.
This shuffling and juggling the team for the sake of it doesn't work, and just looks like a manager who has lost direction.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 02, 2016, 08:46:11 AM
Quote from: cdward on March 02, 2016, 08:37:59 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 02, 2016, 07:04:50 AM
When you've let in 8 goals in 2 games, he was always going to make changes. Other than throw a load of kids in, I can't see what else he can do.
Yes i get that, but the new formation lasted 5 minutes before conceding.
Regardless of the formation, he needs to identify the weak points, i.e conceding from corners, ball watching etc',  and fix them first.
Then look at marking, covering, tracking, movement as a team, shape when losing the ball, counter attacking and tell the team what they should be doing.
This is what a Sam Allardyce, or Pulis or Moyes would have brought to this team.
This shuffling and juggling the team for the sake of it doesn't work, and just looks like a manager who has lost direction.


He did concentrate on these elements when he came in and for a while we saw an improvement. We were much more solid defensively and picked up plenty of draws. The last three games have proven that whatever improvements were made were not sustainable and Garde has to take his fair share of the blame for that. If you pick as negative a line up as he did yesterday and still concede three goals, then you are going to be criticised. Fuck knows about the sudden capitulation in set pieces though. Richards and his usual shite marking was responsible for the first goal, the third was beyond a joke.

It looks like we have all lost faith in Garde at the same time. I don't think he is just 'waiting for his payoff' - that's a lazy opinion. But I don't think he knows what to do about this either. People have said that we don't know whether he is a good manager or not but the evidence is beginning to point towards the latter. I am not sure we can take a chance of believing that he is and place the most important season in the club's recent history on his shoulders, whether he is a nice guy or not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 02, 2016, 08:50:02 AM
I said last night that reluctantly I'm not sure Garde's the guy. I don't know who 'the' guy is, but he needs to have solid experience of managing and motivating shite.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdward on March 02, 2016, 08:51:16 AM
It's only a matter of time before Merson, Thompson et al start saying
 
" for me, he's lost the dressing room Geoff"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: chrisw1 on March 02, 2016, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 02, 2016, 08:50:02 AM
I said last night that reluctantly I'm not sure Garde's the guy. I don't know who 'the' guy is, but he needs to have solid experience of managing and motivating shite.
And I'm very worried the answer our inept Board will come up with is Pulis, once he's sacked by the Baggies in the summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 02, 2016, 08:55:15 AM
you might well be right, but I'd rather that if it stabilized the ship for a year than the unremitting crap we've endured under a succession of other managers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on March 02, 2016, 09:06:21 AM
Quote
Several people I spoke to last night were saying they now wonder if we would have done better sticking with Tactics - personally I don't think it would have made a blind bit of difference apart from he may have had the personality/reputation that would have convinced a couple of players to come in January.

I did think that Garde was a steady hand but he appears to be utterly impotent and unable to change anything. He's marking time to his pay-off and starting to throw players under the bus just like Tim did.

I don't think we would be any worse off if we'd have kept Sherwood. Either in terms of points, or in terms of a settled line-up/formation, or in terms of some belief for a better season next. Garde I'm afraid hasn't changed a single thing for the better.

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He did concentrate on these elements when he came in and for a while we saw an improvement. We were much more solid defensively and picked up plenty of draws.

I'm not sure whether that was anything Garde did or more a case of a slight, temporary improvement that statistically all teams at the bottom go through for 4-5 games over the course of a season.

Sherwood/Garde - all a pointless arguement now. Both found wanting. Both will be looking for new jobs soon enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 02, 2016, 09:07:32 AM
I dont think we need to worry about Pulis as our manager next season. He would , probably rightfully, regard himself as too good to manage a Championship club in freefall. And besides the board will be looking for cheaper options.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 02, 2016, 09:09:34 AM
All Garde seems to have done is come in and tell us it's all as bad as we've feared. No progress on the pitch now and I can't imagine things behind the scenes have done anything other than go backwards. I don't think he's gone about things the right way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on March 02, 2016, 09:13:43 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 02, 2016, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 02, 2016, 08:50:02 AM
I said last night that reluctantly I'm not sure Garde's the guy. I don't know who 'the' guy is, but he needs to have solid experience of managing and motivating shite.
And I'm very worried the answer our inept Board will come up with is Pulis, once he's sacked by the Baggies in the summer.

Given the financial abyss we're staring into, they'd be stupid not to consider it. I wouldn't want him either, but if they can't get rid of Gabby, Richards, Lescott, etc. and rebuild the playing staff, it would make sense to get someone in who could get the best out of them, plus the likes of Gestede, in a desperate attempt to get us promoted at the first attempt.

Trust me, I'd much prefer if we could get rid of the lot of them and start all over again. But if we can't do that, we need someone capable of uniting that team and getting them to play for each other, get back up and establish ourselves in the Prem again, before kicking on, a la West Ham, rather than do a Leeds.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lambert and Payne on March 02, 2016, 09:47:57 AM
Quote from: Ormy Droid on March 02, 2016, 09:13:43 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 02, 2016, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 02, 2016, 08:50:02 AM
I said last night that reluctantly I'm not sure Garde's the guy. I don't know who 'the' guy is, but he needs to have solid experience of managing and motivating shite.
And I'm very worried the answer our inept Board will come up with is Pulis, once he's sacked by the Baggies in the summer.

Given the financial abyss we're staring into, they'd be stupid not to consider it. I wouldn't want him either, but if they can't get rid of Gabby, Richards, Lescott, etc. and rebuild the playing staff, it would make sense to get someone in who could get the best out of them, plus the likes of Gestede, in a desperate attempt to get us promoted at the first attempt.

Trust me, I'd much prefer if we could get rid of the lot of them and start all over again. But if we can't do that, we need someone capable of uniting that team and getting them to play for each other, get back up and establish ourselves in the Prem again, before kicking on, a la West Ham, rather than do a Leeds.


Think Pearson would be the man for me. How absolutely depressing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on March 02, 2016, 10:20:30 AM
I don't think we have enough to go on to make a proper judgement on Garde. Given the potential alternatives and our propensity for making poor choices I would prefer that he is given the opportunity to spend some money and build his own squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on March 02, 2016, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 02, 2016, 09:09:34 AM
All Garde seems to have done is come in and tell us it's all as bad as we've feared. No progress on the pitch now and I can't imagine things behind the scenes have done anything other than go backwards. I don't think he's gone about things the right way.

What could he do? You could put Mahatma Gandhi in a pub full of brawling drunks, but he'd still walk out with a black eye. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 02, 2016, 10:43:43 AM
Quote from: Jimbo on March 02, 2016, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 02, 2016, 09:09:34 AM
All Garde seems to have done is come in and tell us it's all as bad as we've feared. No progress on the pitch now and I can't imagine things behind the scenes have done anything other than go backwards. I don't think he's gone about things the right way.

What could he do? You could put Mahatma Gandhi in a pub full of brawling drunks, but he'd still walk out with a black eye. 

So what's the point of him? He's gone in the summer, so we've fired someone, paid compo, hired someone, paid them a wage to tell us we're shit, there's trouble behind the scenes and lose all the time. There's no progress at all and the selections are getting towards the Sherwood pin the tail on the donkey style team sheets.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete on March 02, 2016, 11:04:10 AM
From the Guardian match report
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“I’m not been here for a long time enough to assess the behaviour of everybody,” said Garde, when asked about the Villa supporters’ protest. “I respect the fans because they are totally part of the club but I have to respect as well my position and the people who put me in this position.

“I concentrate my energy on what I am asked to do, which is to try to win games with this squad of players.”

He's not a happy bunny. " the people who put me in this position." Is he referring to the board, the players, or the whole lot of them?


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on March 02, 2016, 11:11:23 AM
Quote from: Pete on March 02, 2016, 11:04:10 AM
From the Guardian match report
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“I’m not been here for a long time enough to assess the behaviour of everybody,” said Garde, when asked about the Villa supporters’ protest. “I respect the fans because they are totally part of the club but I have to respect as well my position and the people who put me in this position.

“I concentrate my energy on what I am asked to do, which is to try to win games with this squad of players.”

He's not a happy bunny. " the people who put me in this position." Is he referring to the board, the players, or the whole lot of them?



I think he means the board put him into the position of manager
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on March 02, 2016, 11:45:13 AM
When Remi walks, he will go with the blessing of most fans and pundits because they realize he is just a symptom, but not the cause
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on March 02, 2016, 11:57:37 AM
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When Remi walks, he will go with the blessing of most fans and pundits because they realize he is just a symptom, but not the cause

I don't think he'll walk.

He'll get sacked.

You cannot, whatever the circumstances and overall shitness of the squad, deliver of record of, what say 3/4/5 wins in 3/4 of a season and still expect to be in a job next year.

One would assume that the board (dangerous assumption I know) would have built a clause in to his contract saying "relegation negates any claim to compensation in the event of dismissal".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: montague on March 02, 2016, 12:01:32 PM
Theres enough decent managers for the championship I am sure would still be attracted to one of the country biggest clubs - Howe, Dyche, Hughton - all with a history of working with next to nothing and getting clubs up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 02, 2016, 12:02:47 PM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on March 02, 2016, 11:57:37 AM

One would assume that the board (dangerous assumption I know) would have built a clause in to his contract saying "relegation negates any claim to compensation in the event of dismissal".

If they have they'll be the first club ever.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: NeilH on March 02, 2016, 12:07:39 PM
Somebody referred to Garde’s tenure as akin to Cloughie at Leeds and the more I think about it; the more I see the analogies.  There is clearly a very strong dressing room clique that has been allowed to fester over the course of a number of years and Garde has tried (and failed) to tackle this. Like Cloughie before him, this will only head in one direction.
It’s oft been said ‘right man, wrong time’ but I still believe that his inability to garner a managerial bounce led directly to the decision not to invest in Jan, which has in turn led to the spiral we are now on. My biggest fear is that his departure (and I am convinced he will depart) will lead to the appointment of a firebrand, as it will be perceived as the best option for the Championship.
Oh for the collective lot of them to fall on their swords, but in true bad managerial fashion, they will go into self-preservation mood. I truly fear that Fox aside (who will be the scapegoat), most of them will be in charge next year.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 02, 2016, 12:10:59 PM
It'd be nice to have a festering clique that delivered championships and cups like the one at Leeds.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: NeilH on March 02, 2016, 12:16:44 PM
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on March 02, 2016, 12:10:59 PM
It'd be nice to have a festering clique that delivered championships and cups like the one at Leeds.



Yep, its the glaring hole in my analogy I'm afraid. Still at least this lot can return to their McMansions and bemoan the horrible Frenchman and ungrateful massed ranks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Yossarian on March 02, 2016, 12:17:40 PM
Will Michael Sheen get to play Remi?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 02, 2016, 12:25:43 PM
that's all we fucking need - some metropolitan luvvie twat pretending to be a beleaguered Frenchman
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AV89 on March 02, 2016, 12:32:48 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 02, 2016, 11:45:13 AM
When Remi walks, he will go with the blessing of most fans and pundits because they realize he is just a symptom, but not the cause

Not sure about the pundits.  I get the impression that most of them are mates with Dim and want Remi to fail so they can deliver an "I told you so" to us when we drop
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on March 02, 2016, 12:35:33 PM
Watching how we have conceded set piece goals I think Garde has tried to implement zonal marking. However as with shit comedies it ends up 'with hilarious consequences'.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 02, 2016, 12:39:27 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 02, 2016, 12:25:43 PM
that's all we fucking need - some metropolitan luvvie twat pretending to be a beleaguered Frenchman

He is a fantastic actor though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 02, 2016, 12:55:02 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 02, 2016, 12:39:27 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 02, 2016, 12:25:43 PM

He is a fantastic actor though.

Who Remi? Absolutely agree - his role as an impotent football manager out of his depth is spot on
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: UK Redsox on March 02, 2016, 01:01:21 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 02, 2016, 11:45:13 AM
When Remi walks, he will go with the blessing of most fans and pundits because they realize he is just a symptom, but not the cause

So, come up to the lab, and see what's on the slab. I see you shiver with antici..........pation
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: UK Redsox on March 02, 2016, 01:03:14 PM
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on March 02, 2016, 12:10:59 PM
It'd be nice to have a festering clique that delivered championships and cups like the one at Leeds.



I believe that 'Festering Clique' are supporting 'African Car Reverser' on their upcoming tour
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 02, 2016, 01:10:55 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on March 02, 2016, 11:11:23 AM
Quote from: Pete on March 02, 2016, 11:04:10 AM
From the Guardian match report
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“I’m not been here for a long time enough to assess the behaviour of everybody,” said Garde, when asked about the Villa supporters’ protest. “I respect the fans because they are totally part of the club but I have to respect as well my position and the people who put me in this position.

“I concentrate my energy on what I am asked to do, which is to try to win games with this squad of players.”

He's not a happy bunny. " the people who put me in this position." Is he referring to the board, the players, or the whole lot of them?



I think he means the board put him into the position of manager
Without telling him about all the shit he was going to be landed with.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 02, 2016, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 02, 2016, 01:10:55 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on March 02, 2016, 11:11:23 AM
Quote from: Pete on March 02, 2016, 11:04:10 AM
From the Guardian match report
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“I’m not been here for a long time enough to assess the behaviour of everybody,” said Garde, when asked about the Villa supporters’ protest. “I respect the fans because they are totally part of the club but I have to respect as well my position and the people who put me in this position.

“I concentrate my energy on what I am asked to do, which is to try to win games with this squad of players.”

He's not a happy bunny. " the people who put me in this position." Is he referring to the board, the players, or the whole lot of them?



I think he means the board put him into the position of manager
Without telling him about all the shit he was going to be landed with.

And he's the one who has to face the cameras after every game while the real culprits hide in their offices.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on March 02, 2016, 06:15:55 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 02, 2016, 12:02:47 PM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on March 02, 2016, 11:57:37 AM

One would assume that the board (dangerous assumption I know) would have built a clause in to his contract saying "relegation negates any claim to compensation in the event of dismissal".

If they have they'll be the first club ever.

I can't imagine such a clause would hold any water in a wrongful/constructive dismissal case either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 02, 2016, 07:43:38 PM
Not sure why people think its a straight choice between Pullis/Pearson's dogs of war/hoofball school of management and Garde's "Wenger without the results" style. There's plenty of stops inbetween the two. You don't need to punch out half the players and get the marines to do your training session to command respect from the players if you can manage properly, Or play longball football for that matter
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 02, 2016, 09:00:32 PM
Good to know.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 02, 2016, 09:15:33 PM
I honestly thought he would walk today.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 02, 2016, 09:25:04 PM
With a couple of million quid waiting at the end of the season? Would you..?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on March 02, 2016, 11:12:15 PM
as much as we have little options, starting with Hutton and Cissokho as wingbacks last night was madness, both are very poor players with little or no technical ability. Timmy tried the same formation at home v Stoke but at least changed at half time.

surely if you want to go with wing backs, Richards or Bacuna would be better options on the right anyway with Okore at RCB

it was a pathetic team selection all told

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 02, 2016, 11:20:26 PM
It was a bit mental, but then almost anything we try turns to shit right now. It's like he's invited Kmac in to help pick the side. If the next side contains no Frenchmen we'll know he's gone completely bonkers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 02, 2016, 11:43:41 PM
Richards at right back has shown no intention to actually run, so why would he at wing back? Okore can't play twice in 4 days and looked tired at Stoke.

Cissokho was the only option on the left, and even Martiez praised the tactical switch as something they were not expecting, the problem was conceding a pathetic goal in 5 minutes. The 3 centre backs are simply not good enough last night, the only one worth his place is Okore. Hutton has actually at times been our most willing attacking outlet, so I could understand the formation and personnel. I could not understand the midfield though. Bacuna and Westwood are awful much of the time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 02, 2016, 11:44:36 PM
Oh and there seems to be rumours in France on the back of quotes from Genosio that he will be back at Lyon in the summer anyway.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 03, 2016, 06:59:54 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 02, 2016, 12:06:39 AM
I wonder if his comments about them was because he knows a number of them don't give a fuck and are going through motions, so it was an attempt to get them at least playing for personal pride etc even if they don't give a fuck about the Villa. In his defence I wouldn't want to be in charge of this lot, I can't remember any time where there seem to be so many players at the club with disgraceful attitudes.

I think that was as much about personal pride, as calling them out in public to put pressure on them to start delivering to prove to potential employers next season that they're actually worth a contract, as those kicking up the shit appear to be those who'll be looking to be first out of the emergency exit come  6pm on 15th May.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 03, 2016, 07:13:42 AM
I agree with that deduction VID.  His take was probably why blight the fledgling careers of young players throwing them into the rabble when the worst offenders really ought to be made aware that their chances of futures with other clubs were going down the plughole with every missed tackle, sloppy pass, shoulder shrug and soft goal conceded.

Unfortunately he did not factor in the stupidity of the malingerers or how embedded they have been allowed to become in the comfort zone.  They have bought into the KMac doctrine of fuck the consequences, this one is for Timmy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DB on March 03, 2016, 08:34:48 AM
I wanted him to stay next season for the Championship but now, not so sure. That said, I don't trust our board to select a new manager to get us back up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 03, 2016, 09:14:56 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2016, 11:43:41 PM

and even Martiez praised the tactical switch as something they were not expecting

No one would be expecting Westwood up front either but it doesn't make it a great tactical switch. I don't see what he was trying to do with two fullbacks who can't cross the road.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 03, 2016, 10:38:39 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2016, 11:43:41 PM
Richards at right back has shown no intention to actually run, so why would he at wing back? Okore can't play twice in 4 days and looked tired at Stoke.

Cissokho was the only option on the left, and even Martiez praised the tactical switch as something they were not expecting, the problem was conceding a pathetic goal in 5 minutes. The 3 centre backs are simply not good enough last night, the only one worth his place is Okore. Hutton has actually at times been our most willing attacking outlet, so I could understand the formation and personnel. I could not understand the midfield though. Bacuna and Westwood are awful much of the time.

I don't agree with that about Okore.  He'd just played 1 game after a two week break, so had no reason at all to be tired.  He's played 3 games in a week before, and last time he did, he was about our best player in the win over Norwich.  Garde just hasn't got a clue.  Plays Richards, drops Richards, plays him as right back, plays him in the centre.  Garde's just thrashing around wildly picking sides at random, and has given up as much as those he castigates in every interview. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 03, 2016, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 03, 2016, 10:38:39 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2016, 11:43:41 PM
Richards at right back has shown no intention to actually run, so why would he at wing back? Okore can't play twice in 4 days and looked tired at Stoke.

Cissokho was the only option on the left, and even Martiez praised the tactical switch as something they were not expecting, the problem was conceding a pathetic goal in 5 minutes. The 3 centre backs are simply not good enough last night, the only one worth his place is Okore. Hutton has actually at times been our most willing attacking outlet, so I could understand the formation and personnel. I could not understand the midfield though. Bacuna and Westwood are awful much of the time.

I don't agree with that about Okore.  He'd just played 1 game after a two week break, so had no reason at all to be tired.  He's played 3 games in a week before, and last time he did, he was about our best player in the win over Norwich.  Garde just hasn't got a clue.  Plays Richards, drops Richards, plays him as right back, plays him in the centre.  Garde's just thrashing around wildly picking sides at random, and has given up as much as those he castigates in every interview. 
I'm sensing a degree of petulance from Garde since January closed to be honest. Our brief reasonable run of form seems long ago now and was only a false dawn. To be honest he's been mostly piss poor since he arrived, regardless of the hand he's been dealt. He says the right things, we buy into it, but ultimately he doesn't back those words up in any way, shape or form. He's another Lamberk. He's another Sherwood, only he speaks better English than those two.

Bin him. He's given up the ghost and you cannot openly question your players attitude in public and then go into this clusterfuck limp-dicked and sighing like Garde is. Frankly, whilst it wouldn't be very good long term, I'd take a bit of Pearson's maniacal chest thumping shite about now. And this is football in 2016. There's no such thing as long term as far as managers go. 1-2 years is about it. So what you want in that time is results. We can fool ourselves into thinking we can build something like Swansea or Southampton, but the fact is, those are things you build from the ground up. You rise through the leagues. You struggle a little at first to bed the ideology in. You cannot do that in the top flight. The only way to build something longer term in the Premiership is to consistently plough money in every summer. It's how Chelsea and City win trophies.
We've tried in desperation, whilst in a downward spiral to build a side with a clear footballing ethos, but we've been so pathetically wide of the mark it's untrue. Then we swing wildly between almost every managerial appointment. First things first. Improve results. If that means going ugly to start, then so be it. Pearson's brand of football is Barca-esque compared to the fuck trumpets we've had managing since Houllier was binned.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LTA on March 03, 2016, 12:30:45 PM
Quote from: Pete on March 02, 2016, 11:04:10 AM
From the Guardian match report
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“I’m not been here for a long time enough to assess the behaviour of everybody,” said Garde, when asked about the Villa supporters’ protest. “I respect the fans because they are totally part of the club but I have to respect as well my position and the people who put me in this position.

“I concentrate my energy on what I am asked to do, which is to try to win games with this squad of players.”

He's not a happy bunny. " the people who put me in this position." Is he referring to the board, the players, or the whole lot of them?

They classic 'blame everyone else" line then?

Sooner we see sense and boot Garde back down the channel tunnel the better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AV89 on March 03, 2016, 12:33:25 PM
Quote from: LTA on March 03, 2016, 12:30:45 PM
Quote from: Pete on March 02, 2016, 11:04:10 AM
From the Guardian match report
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“I’m not been here for a long time enough to assess the behaviour of everybody,” said Garde, when asked about the Villa supporters’ protest. “I respect the fans because they are totally part of the club but I have to respect as well my position and the people who put me in this position.

“I concentrate my energy on what I am asked to do, which is to try to win games with this squad of players.”

He's not a happy bunny. " the people who put me in this position." Is he referring to the board, the players, or the whole lot of them?

They classic 'blame everyone else" line then?

Sooner we see sense and boot Garde back down the channel tunnel the better.

Anyone chance of a reasonable contribution  rather than a load of hysteria LTA?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on March 03, 2016, 12:54:36 PM
In fairness to LTA he's taken a lot of flack on here for saying Garde out in recent weeks, but I sense others are now leaning towards the same viewpoint (not me at this stage).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 03, 2016, 12:56:31 PM
I would love to see Garde stay and be given the means to completely overhaul the squad this summer, but I don't think he will, so there is little point retaining him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 03, 2016, 01:27:08 PM
I'd like to see Remi Garde patrolling the line with an electric cattle prod; running on the pitch every now and again to give Richards and Lescott a few volts up their lazy, incompetent arses.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on March 03, 2016, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 03, 2016, 01:27:08 PM
I'd like to see Remi Garde patrolling the line with an electric cattle prod; running on the pitch every now and again to give Richards and Lescott a few volts up their lazy, incompetent arses.

I'd happily do that job for free.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: postal on March 03, 2016, 01:38:11 PM
How about Roy Keane as the next manager? Could work, but doubt he'd come.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Nev on March 03, 2016, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: postal on March 03, 2016, 01:38:11 PM
How about Roy Keane as the next manager? Could work, but doubt he'd come.


If he had a book to flog he might consider it.

The parasitic fucker.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 03, 2016, 01:41:22 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 03, 2016, 01:27:08 PM
I'd like to see Remi Garde patrolling the line with an electric cattle prod; running on the pitch every now and again to give Richards and Lescott a few volts up their lazy, incompetent arses.

I would buy a season ticket to see that every week tomorrow. Brilliant suggestion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: postal on March 03, 2016, 01:47:31 PM
Quote from: Nev on March 03, 2016, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: postal on March 03, 2016, 01:38:11 PM
How about Roy Keane as the next manager? Could work, but doubt he'd come.
If he had a book to flog he might consider it.
The parasitic fucker.

So that's a vote for no then?  ;D

Whoever we get, I think we need someone who has a bit of fight about them, and I know shouting & scowling isnt really a sign of it, but less of the nice guy.

I like Garde but he's out of his depth really. Even with an electric cattle prod.  ;D


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 03, 2016, 01:51:59 PM
Quote from: postal on March 03, 2016, 01:47:31 PM
Quote from: Nev on March 03, 2016, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: postal on March 03, 2016, 01:38:11 PM
How about Roy Keane as the next manager? Could work, but doubt he'd come.
If he had a book to flog he might consider it.
The parasitic fucker.

So that's a vote for no then?  ;D

Whoever we get, I think we need someone who has a bit of fight about them, and I know shouting & scowling isnt really a sign of it, but less of the nice guy.

I like Garde but he's out of his depth really. Even with an electric cattle prod.  ;D




Maybe, but armed with the cattle prod I reckon he would be good value. Strikes me as the cold type that would give you one last prod when down just as a reminder. Imagine Bacuna getting it every time he gives the ball away.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: postal on March 03, 2016, 01:55:42 PM
Trouble with the cattle prod, is that Villa have no money for chocy biccies, so not sure how it would be powered enough for a proper jolt. Still it could be a bit russian roulette, you dont know how much it will hurt.  :o
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on March 03, 2016, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 03, 2016, 09:14:56 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2016, 11:43:41 PM

and even Martiez praised the tactical switch as something they were not expecting

No one would be expecting Westwood up front either but it doesn't make it a great tactical switch. I don't see what he was trying to do with two fullbacks who can't cross the road.

Haha. Sadly I've now got visions of Westwood up front for a game, gormlessly jogging around on the shoulder of the last man, bemoaning a lack of service, completely missing the irony that he's usually the lack of service in midfield waving his arms around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithe on March 03, 2016, 04:02:26 PM
Westwood spent of lot of Tuesday night being our furthest player forward. When that happens you start to suspect that something is awry. That and getting fucking stuffed every week.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 03, 2016, 09:24:29 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 03, 2016, 01:41:22 PM
Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 03, 2016, 01:27:08 PM
I'd like to see Remi Garde patrolling the line with an electric cattle prod; running on the pitch every now and again to give Richards and Lescott a few volts up their lazy, incompetent arses.

I would buy a season ticket to see that every week tomorrow. Brilliant suggestion.

I think I'd get the season ticket and a season ticket for SAS Copenhagenn - Birmingham at the same time.  I don't think I'd get bored of seeing that oaf Richards having a couple of hundred volts applied to his fat arse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 03, 2016, 09:57:06 PM

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Aston Villa’s relegation-bound squad is split damagingly into two factions with many of the longer-serving players openly questioning manager Remi Garde’s reluctance to challenge or criticise any of the squad in the aftermath of defeats, Telegraph Sport has learned.


It was revealed yesterday that new chairman Steve Hollis will make sweeping changes to the club’s recruitment personnel responsible for the disastrous summer last year when they made 12 signings, few of whom have had any impact. Hendrik Almstadt, the sporting director brought from Arsenal, is expected to leave soon, and Paddy Riley, the head of recruitment and scouting, is also on his way having been cut out the loop for plans for this summer.


The highest profile departure could yet be chief executive Tom Fox, who has presided over what will surely be Villa’s first relegation since 1987. The American has told others at the Premier League’s bottom club that he believes progress in commercial deals will preserve his job but he has stopped coming to the training ground where, in the early days after his appointment in 2014, he would eat with the players.


Most worrying for those at the club’s Bodymoor Heath training ground has been the division between the players and occasional open disregard for the training sessions that Garde’s coaches have put on for them. The French manager, who was appointed on the recommendation of Arsene Wenger, sets the agenda for training but it is led by his first team coach Eric Black and Garde’s assistant Reginald Ray.

 
There have been questions asked openly during sessions by players as to the relevance of what they are doing, and how it relates to their next game. Senior players have also expressed their dismay that Garde has been unwilling at times to come in to the dressing room to speak to them after certain games to dish out blame or, in the rare cases it is merited, praise.




On at least two occasions, the1-1 draw in January with Wycombe Wanderers at Adams Park in the FA Cup third round, and then the 6-0 defeat at home to Liverpool on February 14, senior players have been vocal about the absence of their manager in the changing rooms afterwards.

Garde told Fox and owner Randy Lerner when he took the job that he could keep Villa in the Premier League with the existing squad, although his faith wavered in the weeks that followed. By the time the January transfer window opened, Lerner was unwilling to chase his losses with a team that has now won only twice in the league under Garde.

Broadly the squad is split into two camps: on one side the long-serving players such as Gabby Agbonlahor, Alan Hutton, Leandro Bacuna, Ciaran Clark, Brad Guzan, Mark Bunn as well as Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards. On the other side are the new arrivals, many of them from France, including Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout as well as Aly Cissokho. The latter group feel, with some justification, that they are being blamed for all the club’s problems.


There were suggestions at the club that Garde would walk away if they lost to Everton but he has stayed on to face Manchester City on Saturday. Looking forward it is understood that Hollis wants to keep the sporting director model but is looking for a different profile of individual to fill it – potentially a former player - rather than another like Riley and Almstadt who both had a background in analytics.

Whoever takes the job will be in for a summer of major trading. The club’s highest earner Charles N’Zogbia is on £62,000-a-week and, having made two appearances all season, will be out of contract in June. Adama Traore, who was signed from Barcelona last summer instead of Aaron Lennon, earns £50,000-a-week which would have increased season by season, although that will not be a consideration now that the club are almost certain to be relegated.

There is hope that the club has a strong group of players coming through the academy who can be given their opportunity in the Championship. They include midfielder Andre Green and Rushian Hepburn-Murphy, both 17, and also the Under-18s defender Jake Humphries. Aston Villa declined to comment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 03, 2016, 10:07:47 PM
Minor point, but, Mark Bunn is one of our long serving players?

My biggest concern with a total change from Fox down to Garde is that a whole new structure would have be put in place, at the very least a new CEO, manager and assistant almost as soon as the final whistle goes on 15th May to give them a chance of going through the squad into keep or let go if we can flog them piles and identify new players that will fit in with the remaining players from the existing squad.

From a purely practical point of view, I can't see us ditching the entire management team and having a big turn over of players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2016, 10:14:28 PM
Quote
There is hope that the club has a strong group of players coming through the academy who can be given their opportunity in the Championship. They include midfielder Andre Green and Rushian Hepburn-Murphy, both 17, and also the Under-18s defender Jake Humphries. Aston Villa declined to comment.

Fucking hell. It's going to take more than that to get out of the championship.

Give them a chance, yes. Rely on them? No.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2016, 10:15:25 PM
As for this bit:

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Broadly the squad is split into two camps: on one side the long-serving players such as Gabby Agbonlahor, Alan Hutton, Leandro Bacuna, Ciaran Clark, Brad Guzan, Mark Bunn as well as Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards. On the other side are the new arrivals, many of them from France, including Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout as well as Aly Cissokho. The latter group feel, with some justification, that they are being blamed for all the club’s problems.

With the exception of Bunn, there's not a single one in that group I'd piss on if he were on fire. Not one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 03, 2016, 10:21:58 PM
How many games have that selection of wankets  won at the Villa?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on March 03, 2016, 10:23:23 PM
They've got some front, our players. The fucking cheek of criticising anyone but themselves. Look in the mirror, lads. You're all absolutely shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: 1_Pablo_Angel on March 03, 2016, 10:49:41 PM
Quote from: Des Little on March 03, 2016, 10:23:23 PM
They've got some front, our players. The fucking cheek of criticising anyone but themselves. Look in the mirror, lads. You're all absolutely shit.

Was my reaction to seeing the story also.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 03, 2016, 10:54:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2016, 10:15:25 PM
As for this bit:

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Broadly the squad is split into two camps: on one side the long-serving players such as Gabby Agbonlahor, Alan Hutton, Leandro Bacuna, Ciaran Clark, Brad Guzan, Mark Bunn as well as Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards. On the other side are the new arrivals, many of them from France, including Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout as well as Aly Cissokho. The latter group feel, with some justification, that they are being blamed for all the club’s problems.

With the exception of Bunn, there's not a single one in that group I'd piss on if he were on fire. Not one.

If they worked in a 'proper' job in a 'proper' industry, they all would've been sacked long ago. No severance pay, no payment to cover end of contract, no fucking bonus, nothing. I'd be happy if all of those ****** left tomorrow. Twats.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 03, 2016, 11:00:57 PM
There's a little ditty on the "songs" thread that sums them up perfectly.

Whoever came up with the cattle prod idea, we could run them round Bodymoor a few times with the aid of the cattle prod before dumping them outside the gates.  They really are an odious bunch of contemptuous wankers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 03, 2016, 11:04:43 PM
All this talk of committee's to sign players, getting the right structure in place! Sir Brian, BFR and Sir Graham didn't need recruitment committees or worry and concern about structure. Back to basics might be the way to go. Find a decent Manager, yeah I know, this is Villa!! But appointing the right man is half the battle.

The article from the Telegraph tells me that the lack of leadership also runs as deep as the dressing room as the Manager is as absent as the owner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AV89 on March 03, 2016, 11:27:45 PM
Has someone actually been paid to put this article together?

http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/03/10-reasons-why-aston-villa-must-sack-remi-garde-and-hire-paolo-di-canio-5730911/
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: A Northern Soul on March 03, 2016, 11:29:17 PM
If Remi goes, and if Burnley don't go up, I would hope we would look at Dyche. Good track record at championship level, Burnley play decent football, he can spot a goal scorer, generally seems to bring players on and looks like he has the ability to impose himself and his will on the squad - without being a Pearson bully.
Sad that we would ever need to consider this but he ticks more boxes than most.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 03, 2016, 11:30:21 PM
Quote from: AV89 on March 03, 2016, 11:27:45 PM
Has someone actually been paid to put this article together?

http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/03/10-reasons-why-aston-villa-must-sack-remi-garde-and-hire-paolo-di-canio-5730911/

Probably not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 03, 2016, 11:33:17 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 03, 2016, 11:04:43 PM
All this talk of committee's to sign players, getting the right structure in place! Sir Brian, BFR and Sir Graham didn't need recruitment committees or worry and concern about structure. Back to basics might be the way to go. Find a decent Manager, yeah I know, this is Villa!! But appointing the right man is half the battle.

The article from the Telegraph tells me that the lack of leadership also runs as deep as the dressing room as the Manager is as absent as the owner.

There are 2 arguments against the all powerful manager.

1. Less chance of getting completely f##ked over if someone does an O'Neill Flounce. The idea is that you recruit a coach that will fit with what you're already doing. Just as Southampton and Swansea have done.

2. In the days of SGT, BFR and the one who walks on water, they weren't expected to keep tabs on just about every player on the planet (or in the case of O'Neill, every player on your side of the English Channel). 
These days you need people who can trawl through the vast amounts of data and scouting reports to try and sift through players from every continent. Whether or not Paddy Reilly is any good at his job, taking the piss and calling him Playstation or X Box because he does that number crunching is plain wrong.  How do you thing the likes of Park Joo-Ho made his way from the Japanese J-League to Basel before ending up at Dortmund?  Because I bet Klöpp hadn't spent too many airmiles flying to Tokyo.
Also someone else managing the contracts avoids a.) O'Neill style madness with Habib Beye. b.) Hopefully a repeat of the Delph situation, which we're probably going to run into with Okore as well.

The manager only has to manage and coach the squad.  All of the ball ache admin is removed. All of the rough cut scouting is removed.  The shocking thing is that it's 2016 and that's how well run clubs have been doing it for as long as Lerner's been here and before.
Pre Lerner it was Doug doing everything except scouting. Post Doug it was O'Neill doing everything (apart from managing the contracts well) and then nothing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 03, 2016, 11:53:46 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2016, 10:15:25 PM
As for this bit:

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Broadly the squad is split into two camps: on one side the long-serving players such as Gabby Agbonlahor, Alan Hutton, Leandro Bacuna, Ciaran Clark, Brad Guzan, Mark Bunn as well as Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards. On the other side are the new arrivals, many of them from France, including Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout as well as Aly Cissokho. The latter group feel, with some justification, that they are being blamed for all the club’s problems.

With the exception of Bunn, there's not a single one in that group I'd piss on if he were on fire. Not one.

If there's any truth in that article those players might have a valid reason to question Garde. Why wouldn't he come to the dressing room when things have gone particularly badly. It doesn't sound like he communicates with them particularly well, it doesn't sound like they are being well prepared for games, and then he questions their ability and professionalism publicly before and after every game. The newer arrivals have been blamed by the media and the previous manager so no wonder they're not happy either.

The story could all be bullshit, and the players are all responsible too but it's not a ringing endorsement of Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 12:07:30 AM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on March 03, 2016, 11:29:17 PM
If Remi goes, and if Burnley don't go up, I would hope we would look at Dyche. Good track record at championship level, Burnley play decent football, he can spot a goal scorer, generally seems to bring players on and looks like he has the ability to impose himself and his will on the squad - without being a Pearson bully.
Sad that we would ever need to consider this but he ticks more boxes than most.

If some of these rumours regarding Garde are true, then I just can't see how he can possibly stay.  If we are back in the market for a manager this summer I would hope we would be looking for someone who not only could take us up, but could also keep us up in the first couple of seasons.  Not sure the likes of Dyche and Pearson could do that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 04, 2016, 12:10:37 AM
It depends on the backing they'd get but I'd be fairly confident that Dyche could get us up and keep us up with a Burnley style level of investment. Even if he couldn't I suspect he'd leave us in better shape rather than worse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on March 04, 2016, 12:17:14 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2016, 10:15:25 PM
As for this bit:

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Broadly the squad is split into two camps: on one side the long-serving players such as Gabby Agbonlahor, Alan Hutton, Leandro Bacuna, Ciaran Clark, Brad Guzan, Mark Bunn as well as Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards. On the other side are the new arrivals, many of them from France, including Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout as well as Aly Cissokho. The latter group feel, with some justification, that they are being blamed for all the club’s problems.

With the exception of Bunn, there's not a single one in that group I'd piss on if he were on fire. Not one.

To be fair Hutton gives his all each game, its just he is a really poor footballer

Bunn has just been thrown into that group randomly, he isnt even second division standard lets be honest.

these long serving players above can do one, they will be playing against us next term with the likes of Bristol City and Leeds
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: croatian on March 04, 2016, 01:15:20 AM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on March 03, 2016, 11:29:17 PM
If Remi goes, and if Burnley don't go up, I would hope we would look at Dyche. Good track record at championship level, Burnley play decent football, he can spot a goal scorer, generally seems to bring players on and looks like he has the ability to impose himself and his will on the squad - without being a Pearson bully.
Sad that we would ever need to consider this but he ticks more boxes than most.
Totally agree.
I had a conversation with a Burnley fan recently, apparently Dyche runs a very tight ship with his squad. You do it his way or you're shipped out. Immediately. He has a code of conduct governing the players interaction with fans, autograph requests, social media activity etc.
Reckon we could do with this.
He's numero uno for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 01:20:35 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2016, 10:15:25 PM
As for this bit:

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Broadly the squad is split into two camps: on one side the long-serving players such as Gabby Agbonlahor, Alan Hutton, Leandro Bacuna, Ciaran Clark, Brad Guzan, Mark Bunn as well as Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards. On the other side are the new arrivals, many of them from France, including Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout as well as Aly Cissokho. The latter group feel, with some justification, that they are being blamed for all the club’s problems.

With the exception of Bunn, there's not a single one in that group I'd piss on if he were on fire. Not one.

What if you had just consumed a couple of gallons of petrol?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on March 04, 2016, 02:31:03 AM
Quote from: LTA on March 03, 2016, 12:30:45 PM
Quote from: Pete on March 02, 2016, 11:04:10 AM
From the Guardian match report
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“I’m not been here for a long time enough to assess the behaviour of everybody,” said Garde, when asked about the Villa supporters’ protest. “I respect the fans because they are totally part of the club but I have to respect as well my position and the people who put me in this position.

“I concentrate my energy on what I am asked to do, which is to try to win games with this squad of players.”

He's not a happy bunny. " the people who put me in this position." Is he referring to the board, the players, or the whole lot of them?

They classic 'blame everyone else" line then?

Sooner we see sense and boot Garde back down the channel tunnel the better.

Yes it's all his fault - sigh
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on March 04, 2016, 02:52:19 AM
The Torygraph article is written by Sam Wallace. If it was was written by John Percy, I would be more inclined to trust it , but your mileage may vary, as they say.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Axl Rose on March 04, 2016, 03:14:51 AM
That group of wankers-the Gabby group. They should be targeted with bile laden hatred at all remaining games. If these claims are true of course.
If I wasn't abroad, I'd be at each game absolutely destroying them. I despise the fuckers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 04, 2016, 07:18:15 AM
Isn't Dyche from Birmingham? I thought he was a Blues fan. But I agree that he would be a good appointment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on March 04, 2016, 07:24:52 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on March 04, 2016, 12:17:14 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2016, 10:15:25 PM
As for this bit:

Quote
Broadly the squad is split into two camps: on one side the long-serving players such as Gabby Agbonlahor, Alan Hutton, Leandro Bacuna, Ciaran Clark, Brad Guzan, Mark Bunn as well as Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards. On the other side are the new arrivals, many of them from France, including Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout as well as Aly Cissokho. The latter group feel, with some justification, that they are being blamed for all the club’s problems.

With the exception of Bunn, there's not a single one in that group I'd piss on if he were on fire. Not one.

To be fair Hutton gives his all each game, its just he is a really poor footballer

Bunn has just been thrown into that group randomly, he isnt even second division standard lets be honest.

these long serving players above can do one, they will be playing against us next term with the likes of Bristol City and Leeds

Yeah, Hutton does at least try.

To be honest, we will probably need him next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 04, 2016, 07:31:26 AM
So, the 'wanker group' who pretty much got us into this mess, is upset becuse their boss doesn't bollock them?
Eh?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on March 04, 2016, 07:38:26 AM
Quote from: andyh on March 04, 2016, 07:31:26 AM
So, the 'wanker group' who pretty much got us into this mess, is upset becuse their boss doesn't bollock them?
Eh?
When teams get thrashed I thought it was common practice for the manager to say nothing at the time? You would expect a reaction/inquest from the manager in the following days. The article made me wonder which of our superstars is blabbing to the press?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 04, 2016, 08:02:57 AM
Quote from: andyh on March 04, 2016, 07:31:26 AM
So, the 'wanker group' who pretty much got us into this mess, is upset becuse their boss doesn't bollock them?
Eh?

It's what they expect in their insulated bubble of a world maybe - when "da boss" doesn't give you some verbals after a match he obviously doesn't love you - If Garde has lost the plot then I would not be at all surprised as everything else about us has gone down the pan why should he be any different.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on March 04, 2016, 08:07:13 AM
We need Reg Hollis to put us out of our collective nightmare, sack Fox, Reilly, Almstadt.
Thank Remi for having a go but it hasn't worked out has it?
Strive to get a manager who rules with an Iron Fist.
Then start the cull.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 04, 2016, 08:11:39 AM
Quote from: Hoppo on March 04, 2016, 08:07:13 AM
Then start the cull.

Ooooo - I like the sound of that....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 08:18:27 AM
Quote from: croatian on March 04, 2016, 01:15:20 AM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on March 03, 2016, 11:29:17 PM
If Remi goes, and if Burnley don't go up, I would hope we would look at Dyche. Good track record at championship level, Burnley play decent football, he can spot a goal scorer, generally seems to bring players on and looks like he has the ability to impose himself and his will on the squad - without being a Pearson bully.
Sad that we would ever need to consider this but he ticks more boxes than most.
Totally agree.
I had a conversation with a Burnley fan recently, apparently Dyche runs a very tight ship with his squad. You do it his way or you're shipped out. Immediately. He has a code of conduct governing the players interaction with fans, autograph requests, social media activity etc.
Reckon we could do with this.
He's numero uno for me.

that is exactly what we need
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 04, 2016, 08:20:26 AM
After the Janutrayal I have zero faith in Hollis doing anything good for the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 04, 2016, 08:23:45 AM
Billy McNeill had an iron fist. So did Tommy Docherty and Tommy Cummings and David O'Leary and Alex McLeish.  Paul Lambert had six, his own two and two each Karsa and Culverhouse.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 08:24:55 AM
Quote from: aev on March 04, 2016, 07:24:52 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on March 04, 2016, 12:17:14 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2016, 10:15:25 PM
As for this bit:

Quote
Broadly the squad is split into two camps: on one side the long-serving players such as Gabby Agbonlahor, Alan Hutton, Leandro Bacuna, Ciaran Clark, Brad Guzan, Mark Bunn as well as Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards. On the other side are the new arrivals, many of them from France, including Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout as well as Aly Cissokho. The latter group feel, with some justification, that they are being blamed for all the club’s problems.

With the exception of Bunn, there's not a single one in that group I'd piss on if he were on fire. Not one.

To be fair Hutton gives his all each game, its just he is a really poor footballer

Bunn has just been thrown into that group randomly, he isnt even second division standard lets be honest.

these long serving players above can do one, they will be playing against us next term with the likes of Bristol City and Leeds

Yeah, Hutton does at least try.

To be honest, we will probably need him next season.

I really don't think that is the way to be looking at next season.  We should be looking to replace the likes of Hutton, not just keep him around because he "puts in a bit of a shift".  I would like to see us try and build a consistent and solid back four next season and I can't see Hutton ever being part of one due to his poor positioning.  When you add in he's poor on the ball and can't cross, it's not a great outlook.  I just hope Rangers get promoted and he heads off back there. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2016, 08:28:41 AM
To be honest I don't know what's perceived within the playing group, but the fans aren't blaming the new players that's for sure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2016, 08:34:39 AM
To be honest if I never saw Bacuna, Agbonlahor, Guzan, Clark, N'Zogbia and Richards anywhere the club ever again I'd be happy.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 08:37:18 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 08:24:55 AM
Quote from: aev on March 04, 2016, 07:24:52 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on March 04, 2016, 12:17:14 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2016, 10:15:25 PM
As for this bit:

Quote
Broadly the squad is split into two camps: on one side the long-serving players such as Gabby Agbonlahor, Alan Hutton, Leandro Bacuna, Ciaran Clark, Brad Guzan, Mark Bunn as well as Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards. On the other side are the new arrivals, many of them from France, including Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout as well as Aly Cissokho. The latter group feel, with some justification, that they are being blamed for all the club’s problems.

With the exception of Bunn, there's not a single one in that group I'd piss on if he were on fire. Not one.

To be fair Hutton gives his all each game, its just he is a really poor footballer

Bunn has just been thrown into that group randomly, he isnt even second division standard lets be honest.

these long serving players above can do one, they will be playing against us next term with the likes of Bristol City and Leeds

Yeah, Hutton does at least try.

To be honest, we will probably need him next season.

I really don't think that is the way to be looking at next season.  We should be looking to replace the likes of Hutton, not just keep him around because he "puts in a bit of a shift".  I would like to see us try and build a consistent and solid back four next season and I can't see Hutton ever being part of one due to his poor positioning.  When you add in he's poor on the ball and can't cross, it's not a great outlook.  I just hope Rangers get promoted and he heads off back there. 

I agree. You can't fault his commitment but he's a poor defender.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Vegas on March 04, 2016, 08:54:12 AM
I disagree.  If we were staying up I would look to improve on him, but he's one of the few players we have that are pretty much perfect for the Championship.  Hope he stays
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 04, 2016, 10:01:24 AM
Always take articles like that Telegraph one with a pinch of salt, but Garde's method sounds like Wenger's. Fairly standoffish, doesn't shout and scream a lot, lets the players get on with it.

It's noticeable that the ones (allegedly) most riled by that approach are the shit British players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rigadon on March 04, 2016, 10:02:29 AM
I thought Garde was an(other) shit appointment at the time, and he's done nothing to change that opinion.  He might be a decent manager in another club, but he was never the guy to dig us out of bottom place.   The players are mostly shit and he was shafted in January.  But he has been a total, abject failure nonetheless.

He has to go and I have no doubt he will.

The Villa need to appoint the right manager next time, it's absolutely critical, because clubs can languish down there for years.  I'd go all out for Moyes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 04, 2016, 11:01:38 AM
Quote from: Vegas on March 04, 2016, 08:54:12 AM
I disagree.  If we were staying up I would look to improve on him, but he's one of the few players we have that are pretty much perfect for the Championship.  Hope he stays

Perfect because he runs around a lot? His positioning isn't going to get any better in the Championship, it's appalling, it costs us goals. I can't fault him, except he's shit at football. I don't understand this train of thought at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 11:10:08 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on March 04, 2016, 10:01:24 AM
Garde's method sounds like Wenger's. Fairly standoffish, doesn't shout and scream a lot, lets the players get on with it.

Have you seen Wenger on the touchline? he's probably one of the most animated managers in the league. Usually moaning to the 4th official or whining to the other manager
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hillbilly on March 04, 2016, 11:15:01 AM
Don't know about anyone else but i've worked in places where there are intransigent miserable old gets. They go out of their way to undermine any attempt at change, no matter how needed and carefully communicated it is. It's been said that British players on the whole are pretty close-minded and it's starting to seem like we have one of the last major outposts of that mentality. I hope Garde stays, has a clear out and gets in a bunch of players who have half a brain.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2016, 11:28:47 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on March 04, 2016, 10:01:24 AM
Always take articles like that Telegraph one with a pinch of salt, but Garde's method sounds like Wenger's. Fairly standoffish, doesn't shout and scream a lot, lets the players get on with it.

It's noticeable that the ones (allegedly) most riled by that approach are the shit British players.

Apparently Garde's nickname at Arsenal was "The Ambassador" as he was the player who effectively formed the link between Wenger and the team in communicating what he wanted.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 04, 2016, 11:31:00 AM
I'll have you know there is nothing wrong with being an 'intransigent miserable old get'.
I quite enjoy it :-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2016, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2016, 08:34:39 AM
To be honest if I never saw Bacuna, Agbonlahor, Guzan, Clark, N'Zogbia and Richards anywhere the club ever again I'd be happy.

Missed out Westwood! Banning order in place for that....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AV89 on March 04, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
Walked out of his press conference today apparently (Remi, not me).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on March 04, 2016, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 04, 2016, 11:31:00 AM
I'll have you know there is nothing wrong with being an 'intransigent miserable old get'.
I quite enjoy it :-)

And me.  The word curmudgeon was invented for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 04, 2016, 12:39:51 PM
Quote from: AV89 on March 04, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
Walked out of his press conference today apparently (Remi, not me).
Much more distinguished than skateboarding.
;-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2016, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: AV89 on March 04, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
Walked out of his press conference today apparently (Remi, not me).

How else do you leave a press conference.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 12:59:05 PM
He was asked whether he was lied to (by the board/owner) and after he said it was something for the end of the season, he kept being pushed on it. He then, along with the Scottish bloke (press officer?) walked out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2016, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: AV89 on March 04, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
Walked out of his press conference today apparently (Remi, not me).

How else do you leave a press conference.

Doing that pretend walking down the stairs behind a table?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 01:11:08 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 12:59:05 PM
He was asked whether he was lied to (by the board/owner) and after he said it was something for the end of the season, he kept being pushed on it. He then, along with the Scottish bloke (press officer?) walked out.

I can't say I blame him but he'll probably get asked again before next weeks game. It's all a bit of a mess isn't it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on March 04, 2016, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2016, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: AV89 on March 04, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
Walked out of his press conference today apparently (Remi, not me).

How else do you leave a press conference.

Doing that pretend walking down the stairs behind a table?

Magic Carpet not available
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on March 04, 2016, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2016, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: AV89 on March 04, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
Walked out of his press conference today apparently (Remi, not me).

How else do you leave a press conference.

Doing that pretend walking down the stairs behind a table?

Magic Carpet not available

Moonwalk?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on March 04, 2016, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 01:43:22 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on March 04, 2016, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2016, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: AV89 on March 04, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
Walked out of his press conference today apparently (Remi, not me).

How else do you leave a press conference.

Doing that pretend walking down the stairs behind a table?

Magic Carpet not available

Moonwalk?

What do they do in Star Trek where they disappear in one place and then appear in another
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 01:46:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 01:11:08 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 12:59:05 PM
He was asked whether he was lied to (by the board/owner) and after he said it was something for the end of the season, he kept being pushed on it. He then, along with the Scottish bloke (press officer?) walked out.

I can't say I blame him but he'll probably get asked again before next weeks game. It's all a bit of a mess isn't it?

It certainly is and unfortunately Garde is becoming more engulfed by it.  I think it might have already gone too far for him to stay on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 04, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
Players that are clearly not good enough to play at this level will look to make excuses for this, rather than get thrown off the gravy train.
This piece is the first example of this, expect a flood of sympathetic pieces from their friends in the press if and when Remi departs.
A gaggle of fuckwits, the lot them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on March 04, 2016, 01:55:26 PM
I am indifferent to Garde staying or going.

There is an argument to keeping him on and giving him the tools to operate in the league below. But we might be past the point of return for that, and I am not sure he has the heart for it anyway.  It looks like the stuffing has well and truly been knocked out of him these past few months.

But whether he stays or goes, the same frauds on the pitch can't be given a chance under yet another manager.

There is one constant in all this and it is their general shitness.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 02:10:01 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 04, 2016, 01:55:26 PM
I am indifferent to Garde staying or going.

There is an argument to keeping him on and giving him the tools to operate in the league below. But we might be past the point of return for that, and I am not sure he has the heart for it anyway.  It looks like the stuffing has well and truly been knocked out of him these past few months.

But whether he stays or goes, the same frauds on the pitch can't be given a chance under yet another manager.

There is one constant in all this and it is their general shitness.

I'm kind of there too Kev. I've caught myself swinging back and forth on going for a total clear out vs just dumping everyone but Fox. Hollis has a tough choice to make. But as for Garde he's said a lot of brilliant things that I want our manager to say and be his philosophy. But then he's done other things, said things, team selections that make me wonder about his state of mind and how his has affected him. He's going to had some scars after all of this. I'm leaning still towards giving him every opportunity to rebuild the club because after all of this when it is a lot calmer then maybe some better decisions can be made. In the thick of battle it's hard to do that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 02:10:46 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 01:11:08 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 12:59:05 PM
He was asked whether he was lied to (by the board/owner) and after he said it was something for the end of the season, he kept being pushed on it. He then, along with the Scottish bloke (press officer?) walked out.

I can't say I blame him but he'll probably get asked again before next weeks game. It's all a bit of a mess isn't it?

It's horrible Clamps. The press aren't going to make it easy and you're right, this question isn't going away.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2016, 02:22:54 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 04, 2016, 01:55:26 PM
I am indifferent to Garde staying or going.

There is an argument to keeping him on and giving him the tools to operate in the league below. But we might be past the point of return for that, and I am not sure he has the heart for it anyway.  It looks like the stuffing has well and truly been knocked out of him these past few months.

But whether he stays or goes, the same frauds on the pitch can't be given a chance under yet another manager.

There is one constant in all this and it is their general shitness.

I'd agree. I quite like Garde and I won't be disappointed if he's in charge next year, but at the same time I won't be surprised if he's not. It is however absolutely essential we get rid of the likes of Gabby, Guzan and Clark who have consistently been part of pathetic Villa teams.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on March 04, 2016, 02:32:56 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 04, 2016, 01:55:26 PM
I am indifferent to Garde staying or going.

There is an argument to keeping him on and giving him the tools to operate in the league below. But we might be past the point of return for that, and I am not sure he has the heart for it anyway.  It looks like the stuffing has well and truly been knocked out of him these past few months.

But whether he stays or goes, the same frauds on the pitch can't be given a chance under yet another manager.

There is one constant in all this and it is their general shitness.

Problem is it will be the 'general shitness' picking the next bloke if he goes. There will be all the clamour from the usual suspects to go for a British manager and we end up with glow in the dark Phil Brown.

I think that we have, more by luck than judgement, stumbled across a decent man with Garde and I would like to see him given the opportunity to build a team of his own.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 04, 2016, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 12:59:05 PM
He was asked whether he was lied to (by the board/owner) and after he said it was something for the end of the season, he kept being pushed on it. He then, along with the Scottish bloke (press officer?) walked out.
They have persisted in asking him questions about the overall management of the club which he has made clear is not his responsibility...and they continue to ask the same questions. His frustration is clear for all to see and I'm surprised his patience has lasted this long.
 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 04, 2016, 02:53:45 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on March 04, 2016, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 04, 2016, 11:31:00 AM
I'll have you know there is nothing wrong with being an 'intransigent miserable old get'.
I quite enjoy it :-)

And me.  The word curmudgeon was invented for me.

Must have some Yorkshire blood in you Dave.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 04, 2016, 02:56:53 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on March 04, 2016, 02:32:56 PM
There will be all the clamour from the usual suspects to go for a British manager and we end up with glow in the dark Phil Brown.


I'm convinced Nigel Pearson will be the manager by the start of next season and if it's not him it will be Billy Davies.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 04, 2016, 02:57:27 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 11:10:08 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on March 04, 2016, 10:01:24 AM
Garde's method sounds like Wenger's. Fairly standoffish, doesn't shout and scream a lot, lets the players get on with it.

Have you seen Wenger on the touchline? he's probably one of the most animated managers in the league. Usually moaning to the 4th official or whining to the other manager

Yeah that's true, but I meant more in the dressing room. I seem to remember Lee Dixon saying how Wenger wouldn't really bollock the players after a poor performance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 04, 2016, 02:58:55 PM
When Wenger isn't whinging and moaning to the fourth official he's trying to do his coat up, can they not make him one with velcro instead of of a zip?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 04, 2016, 03:04:23 PM
Dixon's thoughts on Wenger:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/21/arsene-wenger-1000-games-lee-dixon-arsenal

Quote
"I like Arsène a lot. He's got a really cool sense of humour, he can be really funny, he laughs at himself. He can be difficult at times – he is not very good at confrontation which you would expect him to be. He finds it very difficult to front you up and tell you why he's dropped you because he cares about you, so it is very difficult for him to look you in the eye."

I get the impression Garde is similar in that respect.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Stares on March 04, 2016, 03:06:45 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on March 04, 2016, 02:32:56 PM
I think that we have, more by luck than judgement, stumbled across a decent man with Garde and I would like to see him given the opportunity to build a team of his own.
This is how I feel.  I hope he stays, but if he does go, I think he will be a very good manager (elsewhere) when given the chance to operate within a properly-run football club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 04, 2016, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on March 04, 2016, 02:32:56 PM
Problem is it will be the 'general shitness' picking the next bloke if he goes. There will be all the clamour from the usual suspects to go for a British manager and we end up with glow in the dark Phil Brown.

Well he got sacked by Fleetwood this season, so at least no compensation needed - should appeal to the idiots on the board.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on March 04, 2016, 03:09:48 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on March 04, 2016, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on March 04, 2016, 02:32:56 PM
Problem is it will be the 'general shitness' picking the next bloke if he goes. There will be all the clamour from the usual suspects to go for a British manager and we end up with glow in the dark Phil Brown.

Well he got sacked by Fleetwood this season, so at least no compensation needed - should appeal to the idiots on the board.

He's manager of Southend, so beyond our means.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 04, 2016, 03:12:13 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 04, 2016, 02:56:53 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on March 04, 2016, 02:32:56 PM
There will be all the clamour from the usual suspects to go for a British manager and we end up with glow in the dark Phil Brown.


I'm convinced Nigel Pearson will be the manager by the start of next season and if it's not him it will be Billy Davies.
A mate who has been to VP once in the last 10 years sent me a text after the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' game saying that we need a good, proper British manager and proper British players as all these young foreigners have let the club down.


I nearly cried. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: joe_c on March 04, 2016, 03:27:32 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 04, 2016, 03:12:13 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 04, 2016, 02:56:53 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on March 04, 2016, 02:32:56 PM
There will be all the clamour from the usual suspects to go for a British manager and we end up with glow in the dark Phil Brown.


I'm convinced Nigel Pearson will be the manager by the start of next season and if it's not him it will be Billy Davies.
A mate who has been to VP once in the last 10 years sent me a text after the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' game saying that we need a good, proper British manager and proper British players as all these young foreigners have let the club down.


I nearly cried. 

I was listening to 5 Live on Wednesday night while doing the dinner and they were talking about Villa's current plight and it was basically five minutes of quack quack manager with Championship experience quack quack foreign players quack quack and I was reduced to swearing at the radio.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on March 04, 2016, 04:07:55 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on March 04, 2016, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2016, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: AV89 on March 04, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
Walked out of his press conference today apparently (Remi, not me).

How else do you leave a press conference.

Doing that pretend walking down the stairs behind a table?

Magic Carpet not available
Here you go
https://www.facebook.com/ITVCentral/videos/10153933368794035/
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on March 04, 2016, 04:11:48 PM
He shouldn't have to answer questions about the owner and the board but as they're akin to the Invisible Man (or Men in this case) those questions are always going to come his way. It must be infuriating.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 04, 2016, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on March 04, 2016, 04:07:55 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on March 04, 2016, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 04, 2016, 12:41:50 PM
Quote from: AV89 on March 04, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
Walked out of his press conference today apparently (Remi, not me).

How else do you leave a press conference.

Doing that pretend walking down the stairs behind a table?

Magic Carpet not available
Here you go
https://www.facebook.com/ITVCentral/videos/10153933368794035/


Tommy Jordan strikes again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holte132 on March 04, 2016, 04:16:14 PM
A mate who has been to VP once in the last 10 years sent me a text after the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' game saying that we need a good, proper British manager and proper British players as all these young foreigners have let the club down.


I nearly cried. 
[/quote]

A 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' supporter said exactly the same to me on Tuesday. Didn't have an answer when I reeled off the names of our recent British managers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 04:30:58 PM
The whole British manager thing is so utterly bollocks. Especially when they don't stop to think who has managed Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool over the past few years. It's so fucking lazy. Ferguson aside what British manager has been a success? I'd argue the vast majority have been a failure. Moyes and Rodgers have been the most consistent and neither has achieved all that much at the top level. Certainly not in terms of winning things.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 04, 2016, 04:32:29 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 04:30:58 PM
The whole British manager thing is so utterly bollocks. Especially when they don't stop to think who has managed Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool over the past few years. It's so fucking lazy. Ferguson aside what British manager has been a success? I'd argue the vast majority have been a failure. Moyes and Rodgers have been the most consistent and neither has achieved all that much at the top level. Certainly not in terms of winning things.

Quck question - how many English managers have won a trophy since Brian Little twenty years ago?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on March 04, 2016, 04:38:21 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 04, 2016, 04:32:29 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 04:30:58 PM
The whole British manager thing is so utterly bollocks. Especially when they don't stop to think who has managed Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool over the past few years. It's so fucking lazy. Ferguson aside what British manager has been a success? I'd argue the vast majority have been a failure. Moyes and Rodgers have been the most consistent and neither has achieved all that much at the top level. Certainly not in terms of winning things.

Quck question - how many English managers have won a trophy since Brian Little twenty years ago?

'Arry and McLaren?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Edvard Remberg on March 04, 2016, 04:38:44 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 04, 2016, 04:32:29 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 04:30:58 PM
The whole British manager thing is so utterly bollocks. Especially when they don't stop to think who has managed Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool over the past few years. It's so fucking lazy. Ferguson aside what British manager has been a success? I'd argue the vast majority have been a failure. Moyes and Rodgers have been the most consistent and neither has achieved all that much at the top level. Certainly not in terms of winning things.

Quck question - how many English managers have won a trophy since Brian Little twenty years ago?
Steve Mclaren?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 04, 2016, 04:39:21 PM
'arry, as he bankrupted pompey. Other than that......
British, TSM.
Not many leap out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: Dave on March 04, 2016, 04:38:21 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 04, 2016, 04:32:29 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 04:30:58 PM
The whole British manager thing is so utterly bollocks. Especially when they don't stop to think who has managed Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool over the past few years. It's so fucking lazy. Ferguson aside what British manager has been a success? I'd argue the vast majority have been a failure. Moyes and Rodgers have been the most consistent and neither has achieved all that much at the top level. Certainly not in terms of winning things.

Quck question - how many English managers have won a trophy since Brian Little twenty years ago?

'Arry and McLaren?

Bobby Robson
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on March 04, 2016, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: Dave on March 04, 2016, 04:38:21 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 04, 2016, 04:32:29 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 04:30:58 PM
The whole British manager thing is so utterly bollocks. Especially when they don't stop to think who has managed Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool over the past few years. It's so fucking lazy. Ferguson aside what British manager has been a success? I'd argue the vast majority have been a failure. Moyes and Rodgers have been the most consistent and neither has achieved all that much at the top level. Certainly not in terms of winning things.

Quck question - how many English managers have won a trophy since Brian Little twenty years ago?

'Arry and McLaren?

Bobby Robson

Like it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villafirst on March 04, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
Feel sorry for Garde having to field questions beyond his remit. Where are the spineless gutless cowardly cretins supposedly running the club?  They need to explain themselves, wankers...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rigadon on March 04, 2016, 05:59:50 PM
Are we including the second division league title as a trophy?  If so, I'd guess there have been loads.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 06:00:35 PM
i think garde is a nice bloke but feel no sympathy for him whatsover

yes we have got shit players but garde has won 2 games in 17 with a horrific goal difference. grizzling about the players and then doing the same shit week in week out just says to me just hurry up and sack me and give me a payoff

no way do i want him in charge next season as he is way out of his depth
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 06:23:42 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on March 04, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
Feel sorry for Garde having to field questions beyond his remit. Where are the spineless gutless cowardly cretins supposedly running the club?  They need to explain themselves, wankers...

Allardyce had to answer questions yesterday about the sex case who was charged before he even became manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on March 04, 2016, 06:29:10 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 06:00:35 PM
i think garde is a nice bloke but feel no sympathy for him whatsover

yes we have got shit players but garde has won 2 games in 17 with a horrific goal difference. grizzling about the players and then doing the same shit week in week out just says to me just hurry up and sack me and give me a payoff

no way do i want him in charge next season as he is way out of his depth

Never going to be easy with fellow work mates promising one thing and then throwing banana skins and hurdles in your way whilst also wrapping you in chains. I like Remi, but it's hard to judge with the situation and idiots around him. And that's before we even get on to the limited and idiotic players. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on March 04, 2016, 06:31:26 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 06:23:42 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on March 04, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
Feel sorry for Garde having to field questions beyond his remit. Where are the spineless gutless cowardly cretins supposedly running the club?  They need to explain themselves, wankers...

Allardyce had to answer questions yesterday about the sex case who was charged before he even became manager.

Yeah I listened to a piece on the radio about that and for once thought "thank god that's not us" it could actually be worse - not something I've thought often this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 06:33:49 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 06:23:42 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on March 04, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
Feel sorry for Garde having to field questions beyond his remit. Where are the spineless gutless cowardly cretins supposedly running the club?  They need to explain themselves, wankers...

Allardyce had to answer questions yesterday about the sex case who was charged before he even became manager.

In fairness, he did pick that player whilst the court case was ongoing so it was bound to be brought up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 04, 2016, 06:34:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 06:33:49 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 06:23:42 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on March 04, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
Feel sorry for Garde having to field questions beyond his remit. Where are the spineless gutless cowardly cretins supposedly running the club?  They need to explain themselves, wankers...

Allardyce had to answer questions yesterday about the sex case who was charged before he even became manager.

In fairness, he did pick that player whilst the court case was ongoing so it was bound to be brought up.

Innocent til proven guilty?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 06:36:11 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on March 04, 2016, 06:34:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 06:33:49 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 06:23:42 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on March 04, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
Feel sorry for Garde having to field questions beyond his remit. Where are the spineless gutless cowardly cretins supposedly running the club?  They need to explain themselves, wankers...

Allardyce had to answer questions yesterday about the sex case who was charged before he even became manager.

In fairness, he did pick that player whilst the court case was ongoing so it was bound to be brought up.

Innocent til proven guilty?

Of course. I'm not knocking them for picking him, but he was bound to be asked about it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 04, 2016, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 06:36:11 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on March 04, 2016, 06:34:56 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 06:33:49 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 06:23:42 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on March 04, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
Feel sorry for Garde having to field questions beyond his remit. Where are the spineless gutless cowardly cretins supposedly running the club?  They need to explain themselves, wankers...

Allardyce had to answer questions yesterday about the sex case who was charged before he even became manager.

In fairness, he did pick that player whilst the court case was ongoing so it was bound to be brought up.

Innocent til proven guilty?

Of course. I'm not knocking them for picking him, but he was bound to be asked about it.

Although I'd be suspended by my employer if I was charged awaiting trial for a serious criminal offence.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 06:38:16 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 06:33:49 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 04, 2016, 06:23:42 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on March 04, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
Feel sorry for Garde having to field questions beyond his remit. Where are the spineless gutless cowardly cretins supposedly running the club?  They need to explain themselves, wankers...

Allardyce had to answer questions yesterday about the sex case who was charged before he even became manager.

In fairness, he did pick that player whilst the court case was ongoing so it was bound to be brought up.
Yes, but Allardyce is about as qualified to discuss legal matters as Garde is to discuss issues which are beyond his remit. Both been hung out to dry by cowardly boards.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2016, 06:47:23 PM
That walk out was a bit pathetic wasn't it?  Just further proof that he hasn't got the stomach for the fight.  I also think it guarantees that he won't be our boss next season, if he does see this one out.  To not respond in the negative when asked if his bosses lied to him, isn't going to go down very well at all.  All things considered, he's been an absolutely dreadful appointment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:00:18 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 04, 2016, 06:47:23 PM
That walk out was a bit pathetic wasn't it?  Just further proof that he hasn't got the stomach for the fight.  I also think it guarantees that he won't be our boss next season, if he does see this one out.  To not respond in the negative when asked if his bosses lied to him, isn't going to go down very well at all.  All things considered, he's been an absolutely dreadful appointment.

instead of sulking he should man up or resign

in fact if he left and we finished the season with no manager and just let the players do what they want. it wouldnt be any diferent
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on March 04, 2016, 07:00:43 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 04, 2016, 06:47:23 PM
That walk out was a bit pathetic wasn't it?  Just further proof that he hasn't got the stomach for the fight.  I also think it guarantees that he won't be our boss next season, if he does see this one out.  To not respond in the negative when asked if his bosses lied to him, isn't going to go down very well at all.  All things considered, he's been an absolutely dreadful appointment.

What walk out?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on March 04, 2016, 07:01:01 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on March 04, 2016, 02:32:56 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 04, 2016, 01:55:26 PM
I am indifferent to Garde staying or going.

There is an argument to keeping him on and giving him the tools to operate in the league below. But we might be past the point of return for that, and I am not sure he has the heart for it anyway.  It looks like the stuffing has well and truly been knocked out of him these past few months.

But whether he stays or goes, the same frauds on the pitch can't be given a chance under yet another manager.

There is one constant in all this and it is their general shitness.

Problem is it will be the 'general shitness' picking the next bloke if he goes. There will be all the clamour from the usual suspects to go for a British manager and we end up with glow in the dark Phil Brown.

I think that we have, more by luck than judgement, stumbled across a decent man with Garde and I would like to see him given the opportunity to build a team of his own.
I'm with you Chris I would hope he's given the chance he decides to stay.

I'm just worried he's had enough of it and his hands are more tied than he thought which is why we are hearing very negative answers from him, critising players and generally looking defeated.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on March 04, 2016, 07:02:50 PM
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:08:56 PM
pathetic wanker just fuck off
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2016, 07:09:16 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 04, 2016, 07:02:50 PM


Good to see that embarrassing us on match days isn't enough for them. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on March 04, 2016, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 04, 2016, 06:47:23 PM
That walk out was a bit pathetic wasn't it?  Just further proof that he hasn't got the stomach for the fight.  I also think it guarantees that he won't be our boss next season, if he does see this one out.  To not respond in the negative when asked if his bosses lied to him, isn't going to go down very well at all.  All things considered, he's been an absolutely dreadful appointment.

Thanks for the link Legion. It looked to me that it was the press officer that intervened and cut the press conference short rather than Remi throwing a strop. Remi just confirmed what we already knew that the board changed their minds and went back on their word.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 04, 2016, 07:10:09 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/705697389248696320

Remi looks utterly pissed off in this picture posted by AVOFFICIAL on Twitter.
His face appears to be saying an awful lot.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on March 04, 2016, 07:11:33 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 04, 2016, 06:47:23 PM
That walk out was a bit pathetic wasn't it?  Just further proof that he hasn't got the stomach for the fight.  I also think it guarantees that he won't be our boss next season, if he does see this one out.  To not respond in the negative when asked if his bosses lied to him, isn't going to go down very well at all.  All things considered, he's been an absolutely dreadful appointment.

The walkout seemed to be actioned by the scottish guy rather than Remi who just followed
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:12:39 PM
his maths is a bit off as well, i always thought half of 38 was 19 not 11
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 04, 2016, 07:18:08 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:08:56 PM
pathetic wanker just fuck off

Really?

Why is he a wanker? For what exactly? And pathetic for leaving a press conference the press officer has ended?

He is doing a shitty job at the moment for sure, and clearly won't be here next season, so pointless aiming abuse at a guy who really it is not the fault of. No one would have kept us up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on March 04, 2016, 07:21:53 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:08:56 PM
pathetic wanker just fuck off

It's been said before but I think even Mourinho would struggle with this gigantic clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 04, 2016, 07:18:08 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:08:56 PM
pathetic wanker just fuck off

Really?

Why is he a wanker? For what exactly? And pathetic for leaving a press conference the press officer has ended?

He is doing a shitty job at the moment for sure, and clearly won't be here next season, so pointless aiming abuse at a guy who really it is not the fault of. No one would have kept us up.

errr for making no differece to the team whatsover and for his continual snivelling over the past two weeks

its not my fault, its the players, its the board, the dog ate my homework. if its that bad and its making you that upset then walk.

he is crying about everything being rubbish but it doesnt stop him picking up a massive wedge every week
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on March 04, 2016, 07:26:54 PM
When we have had a good run in my time, the likes of Taylor, Atkinson, Little have had the chance to rebuild. What has Remi had the chance to do? I can't think of a manager who has had his hands tied so much to be honest.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 04, 2016, 07:30:09 PM
Quote from: joe_c on March 04, 2016, 03:27:32 PM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 04, 2016, 03:12:13 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 04, 2016, 02:56:53 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith on March 04, 2016, 02:32:56 PM
There will be all the clamour from the usual suspects to go for a British manager and we end up with glow in the dark Phil Brown.


I'm convinced Nigel Pearson will be the manager by the start of next season and if it's not him it will be Billy Davies.
A mate who has been to VP once in the last 10 years sent me a text after the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' game saying that we need a good, proper British manager and proper British players as all these young foreigners have let the club down.


I nearly cried. 

I was listening to 5 Live on Wednesday night while doing the dinner and they were talking about Villa's current plight and it was basically five minutes of quack quack manager with Championship experience quack quack foreign players quack quack and I was reduced to swearing at the radio.

It's fucking Danny fucking Mills stock answer. Blah, blah, english, blah, blah, passion, blah, blah, blah, Championship knowledge, repeat to fade...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 04, 2016, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:08:56 PM
pathetic wanker just fuck off
There are many,many others at the club who should be on the end of that before Remi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on March 04, 2016, 07:30:46 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:12:39 PM
his maths is a bit off as well, i always thought half of 38 was 19 not 11

So his English isn't absolutely perfect. Well done. Not being a native English speaker myself, I can understand someone saying "in the middle of the season" instead of something along the lines of "with the season well under way", especially when doing a live press conference.

But who has claimed that this was to do with him doing exact maths calculations anyway? Besides, if someone asked you to divide a 38 game season into three thirds instead of two halves, the "middle of the season" statement wouldn't be that far off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on March 04, 2016, 07:11:33 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 04, 2016, 06:47:23 PM
That walk out was a bit pathetic wasn't it?  Just further proof that he hasn't got the stomach for the fight.  I also think it guarantees that he won't be our boss next season, if he does see this one out.  To not respond in the negative when asked if his bosses lied to him, isn't going to go down very well at all.  All things considered, he's been an absolutely dreadful appointment.

The walkout seemed to be actioned by the scottish guy rather than Remi who just followed

Yeah that seemed the case to me as well.  Who was the journo?  Was it Pete Colley?  Heard the Scottish guy mention something about being a fan.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 04, 2016, 07:35:52 PM
I just watched it and it's pretty clear whoever the Scottish bloke is jumped in and ended it. Bugger all to see here. I hope he's still our manager next season but know he won't be and when he goes I hope he tells all on the cowardly pricks that are responsible for the mess our great club are in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on March 04, 2016, 07:38:19 PM
If anything, it was the Scottish bloke who was pathetic, Remi just followed when he said "that's it".

I dont blame Pete Colley - things like this just add to circus we've become / or are fast becoming.

Remi is a beaten man, I think he'll walk when we're mathematically down.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on March 04, 2016, 07:46:54 PM
I'm not sure I get why anybody be would levelling abuse at him over that? The Press Officer terminate the interview and proceeds to continue arguing with Pete Colley after. "Is it because you're  fan Pete?".

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 04, 2016, 07:53:46 PM
Nothing wrong with Remi Garde's conduct there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: conman on March 04, 2016, 07:54:46 PM
so remi says that was a question for the end of the season , presuming he is off in the summer  , I hope he has the balls to stick the confidentiality agreement up the clubs arse  ,
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on March 04, 2016, 07:57:00 PM
When Colley fires the question at him; you can audibly hear Remi Garde sigh.  He must be thinking, not this shit again, please ask me something you don't already know the answer to.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on March 04, 2016, 07:58:34 PM
Everything about the Club from the top down is broken - it shouldn't be surprising that it's come to this, I suppose.  People calling Remi pathetic for walking out are missing the point that this shambles is not his fault, he has been shat on by our dysfunctional boardroom and left hanging out to dry. (Not a great image there.)  I think another small but telling example of how the Club is not running properly is that none of us know who the Scottish bloke is.  Is he our new head of media and PR?  Why has he such a low profile?  It's a small detail, admittedly but, to me, it smacks of things not running as smoothly, openly or professionally as before.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 04, 2016, 08:00:28 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 04, 2016, 04:32:29 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 04:30:58 PM
The whole British manager thing is so utterly bollocks. Especially when they don't stop to think who has managed Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool over the past few years. It's so fucking lazy. Ferguson aside what British manager has been a success? I'd argue the vast majority have been a failure. Moyes and Rodgers have been the most consistent and neither has achieved all that much at the top level. Certainly not in terms of winning things.

Quck question - how many English managers have won a trophy since Brian Little twenty years ago?

Roy Evans, Schteve McLaren and Dodgy Harry. Can't remember anymore.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on March 04, 2016, 08:01:14 PM
I believe he'll want to stay at Villa to the end of the season, and even wants to stay in charge for the foreseeable future, rebuilding the squad. But I also think he'll walk the very minute he's certain he won't be given the financial/moral support to do so. Some interesting insights into the inner workings of Villa might be emerging at that point.

If he's sacked, he's probably too honorable to ignore a non-disclosure agreement. I don't believe money comes into it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 04, 2016, 08:02:05 PM
Quote from: Ian J on March 04, 2016, 07:26:54 PM
When we have had a good run in my time, the likes of Taylor, Atkinson, Little have had the chance to rebuild. What has Remi had the chance to do? I can't think of a manager who has had his hands tied so much to be honest.

Two of those took over during the summer, when they had three months to bring in the players they wanted. The third took over mid-season and we came closer to going down than we have since 1987 before he had the chance the rebuild.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lsvilla on March 04, 2016, 08:07:13 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 04, 2016, 07:35:52 PM
I just watched it and it's pretty clear whoever the Scottish bloke is jumped in and ended it. Bugger all to see here. I hope he's still our manager next season but know he won't be and when he goes I hope he tells all on the cowardly pricks that are responsible for the mess our great club are in.
Quote from: Ads on March 04, 2016, 07:46:54 PM
I'm not sure I get why anybody be would levelling abuse at him over that? The Press Officer terminate the interview and proceeds to continue arguing with Pete Colley after. "Is it because you're  fan Pete?".


Quote from: brian green on March 04, 2016, 07:53:46 PM
Nothing wrong with Remi Garde's conduct there.
Thanks the three of you - nails it exactly for me. Nothing at all wrong with Garde's conduct here. He deserves better than this and I hope - probably in vain - that he sticks around and is given the chance to make a difference.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 08:13:00 PM
I'm not a massive fan of these press conferences anyway. We didn't have them years ago, we don't need them now, apart from Sky.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Taylor on March 04, 2016, 08:13:56 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 04, 2016, 07:18:08 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:08:56 PM
pathetic wanker just fuck off

Really?

Why is he a wanker? For what exactly? And pathetic for leaving a press conference the press officer has ended?

He is doing a shitty job at the moment for sure, and clearly won't be here next season, so pointless aiming abuse at a guy who really it is not the fault of. No one would have kept us up.

errr for making no differece to the team whatsover and for his continual snivelling over the past two weeks

its not my fault, its the players, its the board, the dog ate my homework. if its that bad and its making you that upset then walk.

he is crying about everything being rubbish but it doesnt stop him picking up a massive wedge every week
It really bugs me when posters resort to the "money" line. Would you say to your boss, "you know what I don't think I've pulled my weight this week, take a few quid off my pay packet"?

Remi's wages don't dictate how good he is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 04, 2016, 08:17:03 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 04, 2016, 07:18:08 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:08:56 PM
pathetic wanker just fuck off

Really?

Why is he a wanker? For what exactly? And pathetic for leaving a press conference the press officer has ended?

He is doing a shitty job at the moment for sure, and clearly won't be here next season, so pointless aiming abuse at a guy who really it is not the fault of. No one would have kept us up.

errr for making no differece to the team whatsover and for his continual snivelling over the past two weeks

its not my fault, its the players, its the board, the dog ate my homework. if its that bad and its making you that upset then walk.

he is crying about everything being rubbish but it doesnt stop him picking up a massive wedge every week

He is answering questions each week after being hung out to dry in January. The same ones. He is hardly going to change his answer is he... Oh yes you have asked this 16 times now I will no longer moan and instead say it's all rosy and we go again.

Pathetic wanker fuck off is surely more deserving to professional players not putting the effort in our board members who have got us here. Not the guy who has to face the shit for it every week when he is the least to do with it.

You post is significantly more pathetic than any of his actions in that press conference.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on March 04, 2016, 08:18:03 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 04, 2016, 08:02:05 PM
Quote from: Ian J on March 04, 2016, 07:26:54 PM
When we have had a good run in my time, the likes of Taylor, Atkinson, Little have had the chance to rebuild. What has Remi had the chance to do? I can't think of a manager who has had his hands tied so much to be honest.

Two of those took over during the summer, when they had three months to bring in the players they wanted. The third took over mid-season and we came closer to going down than we have since 1987 before he had the chance the rebuild.
Which just goes to prove unless a manager can make the team his own how can he be judged?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 08:20:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 04, 2016, 08:17:03 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 04, 2016, 07:18:08 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:08:56 PM
pathetic wanker just fuck off

Really?

Why is he a wanker? For what exactly? And pathetic for leaving a press conference the press officer has ended?

He is doing a shitty job at the moment for sure, and clearly won't be here next season, so pointless aiming abuse at a guy who really it is not the fault of. No one would have kept us up.

errr for making no differece to the team whatsover and for his continual snivelling over the past two weeks

its not my fault, its the players, its the board, the dog ate my homework. if its that bad and its making you that upset then walk.

he is crying about everything being rubbish but it doesnt stop him picking up a massive wedge every week

He is answering questions each week after being hung out to dry in January. The same ones. He is hardly going to change his answer is he... Oh yes you have asked this 16 times now I will no longer moan and instead say it's all rosy and we go again.

Pathetic wanker fuck off is surely more deserving to professional players not putting the effort in our board members who have got us here. Not the guy who has to face the shit for it every week when he is the least to do with it.

You post is significantly more pathetic than any of his actions in that press conference.

Sometimes a like button is needed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on March 04, 2016, 08:23:56 PM
The most important question which arises from this incident is why the PO felt it necessary to terminate the session.

The more cynical among us will think the board are running scared that Garde is on the verge of spilling the beans on the extent of their wretched incompetence.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on March 04, 2016, 08:24:44 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 08:20:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 04, 2016, 08:17:03 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 04, 2016, 07:18:08 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 04, 2016, 07:08:56 PM
pathetic wanker just fuck off

Really?

Why is he a wanker? For what exactly? And pathetic for leaving a press conference the press officer has ended?

He is doing a shitty job at the moment for sure, and clearly won't be here next season, so pointless aiming abuse at a guy who really it is not the fault of. No one would have kept us up.

errr for making no differece to the team whatsover and for his continual snivelling over the past two weeks

its not my fault, its the players, its the board, the dog ate my homework. if its that bad and its making you that upset then walk.

he is crying about everything being rubbish but it doesnt stop him picking up a massive wedge every week

He is answering questions each week after being hung out to dry in January. The same ones. He is hardly going to change his answer is he... Oh yes you have asked this 16 times now I will no longer moan and instead say it's all rosy and we go again.

Pathetic wanker fuck off is surely more deserving to professional players not putting the effort in our board members who have got us here. Not the guy who has to face the shit for it every week when he is the least to do with it.

You post is significantly more pathetic than any of his actions in that press conference.

Sometimes a like button is needed.
Like!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 04, 2016, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: TB on March 04, 2016, 08:01:14 PM
I believe he'll want to stay at Villa to the end of the season, and even wants to stay in charge for the foreseeable future, rebuilding the squad. But I also think he'll walk the very minute he's certain he won't be given the financial/moral support to do so. Some interesting insights into the inner workings of Villa might be emerging at that point.

If he's sacked, he's probably too honorable to ignore a non-disclosure agreement. I don't believe money comes into it.

He may be the most honourable man ever to have walked the earth but considering pretty much none of us had ever even heard of him 6 months ago, I'll wait and see before presuming he'll turn his nose up at having his contract paid up (or whatever the incentive usually is for our managers to clam up.)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on March 04, 2016, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: django on March 04, 2016, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: TB on March 04, 2016, 08:01:14 PM
I believe he'll want to stay at Villa to the end of the season, and even wants to stay in charge for the foreseeable future, rebuilding the squad. But I also think he'll walk the very minute he's certain he won't be given the financial/moral support to do so. Some interesting insights into the inner workings of Villa might be emerging at that point.

If he's sacked, he's probably too honorable to ignore a non-disclosure agreement. I don't believe money comes into it.

He may be the most honourable man ever to have walked the earth but considering pretty much none of us had ever even heard of him 6 months ago...

Really?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 08:31:50 PM
Quote from: django on March 04, 2016, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: TB on March 04, 2016, 08:01:14 PM
I believe he'll want to stay at Villa to the end of the season, and even wants to stay in charge for the foreseeable future, rebuilding the squad. But I also think he'll walk the very minute he's certain he won't be given the financial/moral support to do so. Some interesting insights into the inner workings of Villa might be emerging at that point.

If he's sacked, he's probably too honorable to ignore a non-disclosure agreement. I don't believe money comes into it.

He may be the most honourable man ever to have walked the earth but considering pretty much none of us had ever even heard of him 6 months ago, I'll wait and see before presuming he'll turn his nose up at having his contract paid up (or whatever the incentive usually is for our managers to clam up.)

Why should he?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 04, 2016, 08:34:08 PM
I doubt very much he'll be sacked, unless there's a clause we can get rid on the cheap if he takes us down.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 04, 2016, 08:39:19 PM
Manager shows irritation with the press. Who gives a fuck?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on March 04, 2016, 08:48:53 PM
Quote from: django on March 04, 2016, 08:27:57 PM
He may be the most honourable man ever to have walked the earth but considering pretty much none of us had ever even heard of him 6 months ago, I'll wait and see before presuming he'll turn his nose up at having his contract paid up (or whatever the incentive usually is for our managers to clam up.)

I didn't claim that he is. You might not have heard of him, but I'd dare say many have. When at Lyon, keeping them close to the top of the league table despite the board selling their top players, he offered to resign there and then if the board chose to sell a player he saw as a crucial cog in his 1st 11. They backed down.

I would hope he is as confident in his own ability and vision of the game today, even after January. No, I don't think he's the next Messiah, being able to win the PL/CL sometime soon. But I do believe that if he's allowed to build his own team (and usher out a few tools, at that!) we'd actually have the beginnings of a team able to compete.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 04, 2016, 08:50:21 PM
Quote from: Dave on March 04, 2016, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: django on March 04, 2016, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: TB on March 04, 2016, 08:01:14 PM
I believe he'll want to stay at Villa to the end of the season, and even wants to stay in charge for the foreseeable future, rebuilding the squad. But I also think he'll walk the very minute he's certain he won't be given the financial/moral support to do so. Some interesting insights into the inner workings of Villa might be emerging at that point.

If he's sacked, he's probably too honorable to ignore a non-disclosure agreement. I don't believe money comes into it.

He may be the most honourable man ever to have walked the earth but considering pretty much none of us had ever even heard of him 6 months ago...

Really?

Well I'm basing this on my own experience, and that of the fans I speak to, and the response on the various Villa forums when he was first mooted/appointed and not that many people were familiar with him (or maybe just me). Probably because the French league is a bit niche for a lot of people.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 04, 2016, 08:50:26 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 04, 2016, 08:02:05 PM
Quote from: Ian J on March 04, 2016, 07:26:54 PM
When we have had a good run in my time, the likes of Taylor, Atkinson, Little have had the chance to rebuild. What has Remi had the chance to do? I can't think of a manager who has had his hands tied so much to be honest.

Two of those took over during the summer, when they had three months to bring in the players they wanted. The third took over mid-season and we came closer to going down than we have since 1987 before he had the chance the rebuild.

Little also was able to bring in  Gary Charles, Tommy Johnson, Ian Taylor and Alan Wright pretty much straight away.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 04, 2016, 08:52:29 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 08:31:50 PM
Quote from: django on March 04, 2016, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: TB on March 04, 2016, 08:01:14 PM
I believe he'll want to stay at Villa to the end of the season, and even wants to stay in charge for the foreseeable future, rebuilding the squad. But I also think he'll walk the very minute he's certain he won't be given the financial/moral support to do so. Some interesting insights into the inner workings of Villa might be emerging at that point.

If he's sacked, he's probably too honorable to ignore a non-disclosure agreement. I don't believe money comes into it.

He may be the most honourable man ever to have walked the earth but considering pretty much none of us had ever even heard of him 6 months ago, I'll wait and see before presuming he'll turn his nose up at having his contract paid up (or whatever the incentive usually is for our managers to clam up.)

Why should he?

I'm not saying he will or that he should. I don't think he will, I think he'll do what our other managers have done and think of himself and his family rather than the curiosities of a fanbase of a club he's only been at for 5'mins.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr woo on March 04, 2016, 09:17:27 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 04, 2016, 08:02:05 PM
Quote from: Ian J on March 04, 2016, 07:26:54 PM
When we have had a good run in my time, the likes of Taylor, Atkinson, Little have had the chance to rebuild. What has Remi had the chance to do? I can't think of a manager who has had his hands tied so much to be honest.

Two of those took over during the summer, when they had three months to bring in the players they wanted. The third took over mid-season and we came closer to going down than we have since 1987 before he had the chance the rebuild.

Quite right.

If you really want to draw similarities to a manager who took over in a near identical situation, you only have to go back to 1986.

An inexperienced manager had poorly rebuilt a squad, using up all available funds.

Team started season poorly and sat at or near bottom of the league. Inexperienced manager subsequently taken outside to admire the flora and fauna of the chairman's garden.

New manager takes over.

Despite hype, new manager doesn't make a jot of difference,  team get relegated.



Now, what I really don't understand is this.

The 1986/7 manager is a comical figure widely regarded as one of the worst in Villas history, yet the current version is a poor put-upon character who's been dealt a bad hand and deserves another chance to put things right.


Personally,  I think the world's gone a bit soft. I prefer the 1980's way of dealing with people who have proved incapable of carrying out their duties to the required standard.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 04, 2016, 09:27:15 PM
Quote from: mr woo on March 04, 2016, 09:17:27 PM

Personally,  I think the world's gone a bit soft. I prefer the 1980's way of dealing with people who have proved incapable of carrying out their duties to the required standard.

Maybe we could try the North Korean way of dealing with people who have proved incapable of carrying out their duties to the required standard?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr woo on March 04, 2016, 09:32:26 PM
Why?  Do they have nice gardens too?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on March 04, 2016, 09:34:51 PM
It's a good job we never sacked Taylor then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr woo on March 04, 2016, 09:40:47 PM
We did the second time round.


I don't recall any reason to do so in his first stay. If you mean the low finish in our season after promotion, he had more than enough credit in the bank.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rigadon on March 04, 2016, 09:52:19 PM
Quote from: django on March 04, 2016, 08:50:21 PM
Quote from: Dave on March 04, 2016, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: django on March 04, 2016, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: TB on March 04, 2016, 08:01:14 PM
I believe he'll want to stay at Villa to the end of the season, and even wants to stay in charge for the foreseeable future, rebuilding the squad. But I also think he'll walk the very minute he's certain he won't be given the financial/moral support to do so. Some interesting insights into the inner workings of Villa might be emerging at that point.

If he's sacked, he's probably too honorable to ignore a non-disclosure agreement. I don't believe money comes into it.

He may be the most honourable man ever to have walked the earth but considering pretty much none of us had ever even heard of him 6 months ago...

Really?

Well I'm basing this on my own experience, and that of the fans I speak to, and the response on the various Villa forums when he was first mooted/appointed and not that many people were familiar with him (or maybe just me). Probably because the French league is a bit niche for a lot of people.


It isn't just you. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rigadon on March 04, 2016, 09:56:27 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 04, 2016, 08:13:00 PM
I'm not a massive fan of these press conferences anyway. We didn't have them years ago, we don't need them now, apart from Sky.

Neither am I.  They are largely pointless, and didn't exist until we had 24 hour rolling 'news'.  He didn't walk out anyway, some journo asked him the same question (he'd already answered it) and the Scots guy shut it down. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 04, 2016, 10:17:36 PM
To be honest I only realised Garde had played for Arsenal after he was appointed manager and had no idea he had gone into management as like many I don't follow French football. Now he's here though I'd like him to be given a proper chance to sort the sorry mess out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 04, 2016, 10:21:35 PM
I have the same rule for every manager: don't make a definitive judgment until he's had a summer to build his own squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 10:22:39 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on March 04, 2016, 08:23:56 PM
The most important question which arises from this incident is why the PO felt it necessary to terminate the session.

The more cynical among us will think the board are running scared that Garde is on the verge of spilling the beans on the extent of their wretched incompetence.

I think we can all have a good guess about that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: berneboy on March 04, 2016, 10:33:56 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 04, 2016, 10:17:36 PM
To be honest I only realised Garde had played for Arsenal after he was appointed manager and had no idea he had gone into management as like many I don't follow French football. Now he's here though I'd like him to be given a proper chance to sort the sorry mess out.

Me too. I feel confident he'll do well as a manager (as he appears to have done previously in France) but I suspect it'll be somewhere else.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 04, 2016, 11:41:42 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 04, 2016, 08:34:08 PM
I doubt very much he'll be sacked, unless there's a clause we can get rid on the cheap if he takes us down.

Just like we didn't pay to dispense with the services of Houllier, McLeish, Lambert or Sherwood.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 04, 2016, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 04, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
Players that are clearly not good enough to play at this level will look to make excuses for this, rather than get thrown off the gravy train.
This piece is the first example of this, expect a flood of sympathetic pieces from their friends in the press if and when Remi departs.
A gaggle of fuckwits, the lot them.

I'm not sure gaggle is the correct collective noun for fuckwits.

A dribble or maybe a stain of fuckwits?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on March 05, 2016, 12:36:11 AM
Jesus. Only just seen the conference. That was a car crash. Who is the PR guy and what does he think he's achieving? No wonder the journalists have no time for us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Gregorys Boy on March 05, 2016, 01:01:28 AM
For awhile I felt that one way or the other than Garde would be there next season.  But it does seem with our form just getting worse and the press relations at an all time low than I can see him leaving or being sacked at the end of the season.  I feel bad for him as he's been put in a bad spot and has handled himself very well in interviews, but it seems more and more likely that he will not be Villa manager next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TB on March 05, 2016, 01:20:28 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on March 04, 2016, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 04, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
Players that are clearly not good enough to play at this level will look to make excuses for this, rather than get thrown off the gravy train.
This piece is the first example of this, expect a flood of sympathetic pieces from their friends in the press if and when Remi departs.
A gaggle of fuckwits, the lot them.

I'm not sure gaggle is the correct collective noun for fuckwits.

A dribble or maybe a stain of fuckwits?

Genuine laugh out loud moment. Thank you.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 05, 2016, 01:29:27 AM
Quote from: TB on March 05, 2016, 01:20:28 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on March 04, 2016, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 04, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
Players that are clearly not good enough to play at this level will look to make excuses for this, rather than get thrown off the gravy train.
This piece is the first example of this, expect a flood of sympathetic pieces from their friends in the press if and when Remi departs.
A gaggle of fuckwits, the lot them.

I'm not sure gaggle is the correct collective noun for fuckwits.

A dribble or maybe a stain of fuckwits?

Genuine laugh out loud moment. Thank you.

Should have been a cluster of fuckwits, apologies, I was rushed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Louzie0 on March 05, 2016, 01:44:01 AM
Quote from: LeeB on March 05, 2016, 01:29:27 AM
Quote from: TB on March 05, 2016, 01:20:28 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on March 04, 2016, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 04, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
Players that are clearly not good enough to play at this level will look to make excuses for this, rather than get thrown off the gravy train.
This piece is the first example of this, expect a flood of sympathetic pieces from their friends in the press if and when Remi departs.
A gaggle of fuckwits, the lot them.

I'm not sure gaggle is the correct collective noun for fuckwits.

A dribble or maybe a stain of fuckwits?

Genuine laugh out loud moment. Thank you.


Should have been a cluster of fuckwits, apologies, I was rushed.
Or:
A strain of fuckwits.
A boggle of fuckwits.
An attempt of fuckwits.
Un debacle de fuckwitterie

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 05, 2016, 06:21:14 AM
Or Ein Fukkerwitgruppe.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 05, 2016, 07:11:08 AM
 Obergruppenfuckwit? Does that make any sense?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 05, 2016, 07:13:45 AM
Works for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: claret and blue blood on March 05, 2016, 11:30:33 AM
I hope watching that performance from our 'head of communications' that he uses his communication skills very quickly to find a new job elsewhere as that was embarrassing and shows a lot of what is wrong within the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 02:29:53 PM
What did he do wrong? Garde don't want to answer that question. The press officer then asked for that question not be asked again, and it still was. He then saw that Garde was getting annoyed by it and ended the press conference. What exactly was he meant to do? He'd have been slaughtered had he left Garde out there having to answer that question or five minutes later another version of it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on March 05, 2016, 02:34:40 PM
By refusing to answer the question "Were you lied to?" Remi Garde has answered the question.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on March 05, 2016, 02:49:30 PM
Picks Westwood, Richards, Gabby again. Shakes head.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 05, 2016, 03:16:44 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 02:29:53 PM
What did he do wrong? Garde don't want to answer that question. The press officer then asked for that question not be asked again, and it still was. He then saw that Garde was getting annoyed by it and ended the press conference. What exactly was he meant to do? He'd have been slaughtered had he left Garde out there having to answer that question or five minutes later another version of it.

If our defence was on its feet as quick as he was off, we'd never concede again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 05, 2016, 04:24:41 PM
Probably worth just getting shot of him, he's doing nothing other than fill a position.

They can hire me and I can tell them they're all shit for a couple of grand a week.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 05, 2016, 04:33:23 PM
Regardless of nebulous concepts such as blame he has presided over some utter tripe. Statistically our worst manager by some distance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 05, 2016, 04:33:41 PM
it's the end of the line for Remi
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 04:35:03 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 05, 2016, 03:16:44 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 02:29:53 PM
What did he do wrong? Garde don't want to answer that question. The press officer then asked for that question not be asked again, and it still was. He then saw that Garde was getting annoyed by it and ended the press conference. What exactly was he meant to do? He'd have been slaughtered had he left Garde out there having to answer that question or five minutes later another version of it.

If our defence was on its feet as quick as he was off, we'd never concede again.

I think I'm done with him after today. I like his philosophy on the game and how players should act, but it's not going to apply here and now with us. We're not going to rid ourselves of all of the wankers at the club and they won't play for Garde next season either. We need to get rid of as many of those ****** as possible and start fresh with a new manager who hasn't got a history of slaughtering his players in the media. Not saying the players don't deserve a lot of it, but first Sherwood, now Garde. Neither got the players on their side. It's a utter fucking disaster.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on March 05, 2016, 04:36:33 PM
....and now he brings on Bacuna.

Sorry Remi, I like you, but this is fucking pathetic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2016, 04:37:52 PM
The club really does seem to be disintegrating.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2016, 04:38:48 PM
I like him and I think he'd have been great if he'd come in during the summer. He talks a great game, then fails to back it up with selections and that pisses me off. Problems run deeper than him though, how often have we collapsed during a game over the last 5 years? It's been going on long before he arrived.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on March 05, 2016, 04:41:18 PM
I think someone said on here when he was appointed that he was everyhing that MON wasn't.  They were dead right there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on March 05, 2016, 04:42:15 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2016, 04:38:48 PM
I like him and I think he'd have been great if he'd come in during the summer. He talks a great game, then fails to back it up with selections and that pisses me off. Problems run deeper than him though, how often have we collapsed during a game over the last 5 years? It's been going on long before he arrived.

Absolutely this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 05, 2016, 04:43:13 PM
He seems to have recreated the bomb squad.

Except now it's got 25 fucking players in it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on March 05, 2016, 04:47:26 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on March 05, 2016, 04:43:13 PM
He seems to have recreated the bomb squad.

Except now it's got 25 fucking players in it.

I'd like to volunteer to light the fuse
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on March 05, 2016, 04:49:08 PM
Allardyce showing how it should be done
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on March 05, 2016, 04:50:29 PM
He should have resigned directly after the transfer window ended. He is now being talked about in the same way that the players are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2016, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: myf on March 05, 2016, 04:49:08 PM
Allardyce showing how it should be done

Throwing away 2 points against 10 men?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CJ on March 05, 2016, 04:54:29 PM
Have to admit my support for Remi is dwindling. The continuing use of Westwood, who is an appalling footballer at this level, and Bacuna is just baffling.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MarkM on March 05, 2016, 04:55:54 PM
He has no idea, no motivation, no tactics

He has to go
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 05, 2016, 04:57:19 PM
Needs to go. Him still being here is a symptom of our problems. Lerner does nothing, the board does nothing, Garde does nothing, the players do nothing........
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 04:58:19 PM
The one thing we needed right off the bat was a bit of inspiration. He hasn't provided any. And he's been sucked into the vortex of misery and is trapped. He offers nothing now as a way forward.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 04:59:31 PM
Let's face it, he's been useless hasn't he?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 05, 2016, 05:01:33 PM
When the squad only has rubbish players in it we're going to be rubbish.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on March 05, 2016, 05:02:07 PM
Let's face it, you could pool the very best of Clough, Shankly and Ferguson, twinned with divine inspiration and they'd struggle to get a result out of this clusterfuck of a club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on March 05, 2016, 05:02:26 PM
Remi's position is untenable. He should walk now, with his head held high, from this poisonous clusterfuck. He remains the only, solitary intelligent, dignified and honest voice I've heard emanating from Villa Park in the whole of the last five years, maybe more. But this rotten club is soiling him and his reputation. He doesn't deserve it. Go, let us appoint a raging anus like Nigel Pearson and let us fulfil our own prophecy of doom.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2016, 05:02:33 PM
He's got nothing to work with.

The squad clearly consists largely of mercenary ****** who don't give too much of a shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 05, 2016, 05:03:54 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 04:59:31 PM
Let's face it, he's been useless hasn't he?


Well useless would have been as bad as Tim. He's took on the challenge and made Sherwood look an amateur at this relegation lark
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 05, 2016, 05:04:45 PM
Completely uninspiring, can't motivate the players. Terrible performances game after game. It's not working, in fact, it's embarrassing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 05, 2016, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2016, 05:02:33 PM
He's got nothing to work with.

The squad clearly consists largely of mercenary c***s who don't give too much of a shit.

I'm not sure he gives a stuff either.  Telling players they're all shit on a weekly basis isn't going to make them try harder.  They're shit, he's shit.  A perfect storm of shitness.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 05, 2016, 05:06:27 PM
There are three players in our team who I truly despise, I've never felt like that about any Villa player other than Hodge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: ez on March 05, 2016, 05:01:33 PM
When the squad only has rubbish players in it we're going to be rubbish.

I agree, but he's offered nothing though, not even the 'new manager lift' that even some of the shittest out there can manage for a few weeks. I think there's a bit of the emperor's new clothes about him. I keep hearing stuff about him being a fine manager and then I look at the results.
He's been appalling. Even Sherwood managed to lift us for a few weeks and kept us up.
Wrong choice, wrong manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2016, 05:06:45 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on March 05, 2016, 05:02:26 PM
Remi's position is untenable. He should walk now, with his head held high, from this poisonous clusterfuck. He remains the only, solitary intelligent, dignified and honest voice I've heard emanating from Villa Park in the whole of the last five years, maybe more. But this rotten club is soiling him and his reputation. He doesn't deserve it. Go, let us appoint a raging anus like Nigel Pearson and let us fulfil our own prophecy of doom.

This is it.

This club is disintegrating, it has just been left to crumble to pieces by that idiot rich kid who got bored of his new toy faster than anyone predicted.

He spoke when he arrived of being a custodian of the club and understanding what that meant. Well, as a "custodian", he has been absolutely disastrous. If he hasn't been making idiotic decisions himself, he's been appointing other idiots to make them for him.

Even Man City's mega rich owners realised that pumping money in was only half of it, so they went and got most of Barcelona's leadership. Lerner went four years leaving it all to the manager, then appointed someone who managed a call centre for him, then someone whose one achievement in the game was doing a shirt deal.

Garde getting utterly fucking stitched up is just one sign of how insane things have been.

This is not going to get any better until Lerner sells up and can stop even pretending to give a fuck any more.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave P on March 05, 2016, 05:06:54 PM
It's hard to judge him as he had nothing to work at. Clearly motivation is a problem. If he went before the end of the season, I wouldn't shed a tear but he is not the problem and everyone know that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on March 05, 2016, 05:07:21 PM
At least Sherwood gave us some good fuckin days! This prick gives off a defensive, negative, persona, beaten before we start. We all know the players are in the main wank but he has to go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 05:08:02 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 05, 2016, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2016, 05:02:33 PM
He's got nothing to work with.

The squad clearly consists largely of mercenary c***s who don't give too much of a shit.

I'm not sure he gives a stuff either.  Telling players they're all shit on a weekly basis isn't going to make them try harder.  They're shit, he's shit.  A perfect storm of shitness.

That's the moment I lost it with Garde. You don't say stuff like that in public and expect the players to be on your side. It was amateurish.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 05, 2016, 05:08:21 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 05, 2016, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2016, 05:02:33 PM
He's got nothing to work with.

The squad clearly consists largely of mercenary c***s who don't give too much of a shit.

I'm not sure he gives a stuff either.  Telling players they're all shit on a weekly basis isn't going to make them try harder.  They're shit, he's shit.  A perfect storm of shitness.

He could do a Lambert and keep saying "we were excellent". No thanks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 05:09:45 PM
If he had anything about him he'd resign. It would at least take away the spotlight from him and shine it on the person responsible for this clusterfuck, and that's Randy Lerner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rico on March 05, 2016, 05:10:48 PM
Just posted on the post match thread. Could we actually be any worse by not having a manager for the remainder of the season. Surely Garde's position is untenable?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 05, 2016, 05:10:51 PM
Relegation i can take. capitulation i can't. We were awful under Sherwood. We're 5 times as worse under Garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2016, 05:10:55 PM
If Lerner is responsible for the cluster fuck, why would Garde resign?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on March 05, 2016, 05:11:05 PM
Rather like Keane and Wilkins before them Remi's assistants have had absolutely no effect on the players whatsoever.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 05:14:35 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2016, 05:10:55 PM
If Lerner is responsible for the cluster fuck, why would Garde resign?

Why should Garde take the flack that should be aimed at Lerner? I feel sorry for him even though he's contributed feck all to the club in his short time here.
He should resign with a bit of dignity and walk away from this joke of a club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on March 05, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2016, 05:06:45 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on March 05, 2016, 05:02:26 PM
Remi's position is untenable. He should walk now, with his head held high, from this poisonous clusterfuck. He remains the only, solitary intelligent, dignified and honest voice I've heard emanating from Villa Park in the whole of the last five years, maybe more. But this rotten club is soiling him and his reputation. He doesn't deserve it. Go, let us appoint a raging anus like Nigel Pearson and let us fulfil our own prophecy of doom.

This is it.

This club is disintegrating, it has just been left to crumble to pieces by that idiot rich kid who got bored of his new toy faster than anyone predicted.

He spoke when he arrived of being a custodian of the club and understanding what that meant. Well, as a "custodian", he has been absolutely disastrous. If he hasn't been making idiotic decisions himself, he's been appointing other idiots to make them for him.

Even Man City's mega rich owners realised that pumping money in was only half of it, so they went and got most of Barcelona's leadership. Lerner went four years leaving it all to the manager, then appointed someone who managed a call centre for him, then someone whose one achievement in the game was doing a shirt deal.

Garde getting utterly fucking stitched up is just one sign of how insane things have been.

This is not going to get any better until Lerner sells up and can stop even pretending to give a fuck any more.

The lack of rage and anger at what Randy Lerner has done will forever amaze me. He's made humiliation a routine fact of our existence, and this juggernaut of horror with no brakes will not magically slow down and turn itself around in the Championship. Lerner is the problem, he's always been the problem, and he will continue to be the problem when every tin-pot mob of scrotes in the Championship is queuing up to give us a pasting.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 05, 2016, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: Rico on March 05, 2016, 05:10:48 PM
Just posted on the post match thread. Could we actually be any worse by not having a manager for the remainder of the season. Surely Garde's position is untenable?


yep,  It would almost be worth the experiment to cancel any training or input from the manager and see if it was possible to be worse than a Garde trained team
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 05:17:17 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on March 05, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2016, 05:06:45 PM
Quote from: Jimbo on March 05, 2016, 05:02:26 PM
Remi's position is untenable. He should walk now, with his head held high, from this poisonous clusterfuck. He remains the only, solitary intelligent, dignified and honest voice I've heard emanating from Villa Park in the whole of the last five years, maybe more. But this rotten club is soiling him and his reputation. He doesn't deserve it. Go, let us appoint a raging anus like Nigel Pearson and let us fulfil our own prophecy of doom.

This is it.

This club is disintegrating, it has just been left to crumble to pieces by that idiot rich kid who got bored of his new toy faster than anyone predicted.

He spoke when he arrived of being a custodian of the club and understanding what that meant. Well, as a "custodian", he has been absolutely disastrous. If he hasn't been making idiotic decisions himself, he's been appointing other idiots to make them for him.

Even Man City's mega rich owners realised that pumping money in was only half of it, so they went and got most of Barcelona's leadership. Lerner went four years leaving it all to the manager, then appointed someone who managed a call centre for him, then someone whose one achievement in the game was doing a shirt deal.

Garde getting utterly fucking stitched up is just one sign of how insane things have been.

This is not going to get any better until Lerner sells up and can stop even pretending to give a fuck any more.

The lack of rage and anger at what Randy Lerner has done will forever amaze me. He's made humiliation a routine fact of our existence, and this juggernaut of horror with no brakes will not magically slow down and turn itself around in the Championship. Lerner is the problem, he's always been the problem, and he will continue to be the problem when every tin-pot mob of scrotes in the Championship is queuing up to give us a pasting.

Hear hear! Absolutely spot on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 05, 2016, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: ez on March 05, 2016, 05:01:33 PM
When the squad only has rubbish players in it we're going to be rubbish.

I agree, but he's offered nothing though, not even the 'new manager lift' that even some of the shittest out there can manage for a few weeks. I think there's a bit of the emperor's new clothes about him. I keep hearing stuff about him being a fine manager and then I look at the results.
He's been appalling. Even Sherwood managed to lift us for a few weeks and kept us up.
Wrong choice, wrong manager.

That was before the last 2 disastrous transfer windows. Sherwood got 1 league win with the current players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 05, 2016, 05:25:09 PM
I'm totally fucked off with him now.
Nice man.
Shit manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: ez on March 05, 2016, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: ez on March 05, 2016, 05:01:33 PM
When the squad only has rubbish players in it we're going to be rubbish.

I agree, but he's offered nothing though, not even the 'new manager lift' that even some of the shittest out there can manage for a few weeks. I think there's a bit of the emperor's new clothes about him. I keep hearing stuff about him being a fine manager and then I look at the results.
He's been appalling. Even Sherwood managed to lift us for a few weeks and kept us up.
Wrong choice, wrong manager.

That was before the last 2 disastrous transfer windows. Sherwood got 1 league win with the current players.

Sherwood kept us up last season which I'll always be grateful for. It was always going to end in tears with Lerner in charge but at least he could point to those first few weeks of his reign. What can Garde point to? He's done absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: lovejoy on March 05, 2016, 05:26:17 PM
You can't blame Garde for the mess he inherited or that he has perpetuated, he has not been backed to enable him to make changes.
Frankly I don't care who manages us next season, but I do not want the overpaid mercenaries at our club, go with youth down to Div2 for all I care, I just want the players to try.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: preston28 on March 05, 2016, 05:27:57 PM
Seems to me that Garde has given up. I think he will be gone when we a finally relegated. God knows why he took the job?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 05, 2016, 05:28:38 PM
Should be a poll up by now. Yes he's inherited a turd but he's done the worse polishing job in history
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SteveN on March 05, 2016, 05:29:16 PM
Garde is last in my list of who/what is responsible for the shite we are now in.  Unfortunately for him he will be gone before the main culprits including players who do not seem to care.

I'm still struggling to come to terms with how Lerner has destroyed this great football club.  But for those of us of a certain age who can remember relegation in the early 60s and then again under Docherty we know we will be back.  I just hope that will be in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 05:30:36 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on March 05, 2016, 05:26:17 PM
You can't blame Garde for the mess he inherited or that he has perpetuated, he has not been backed to enable him to make changes.
Frankly I don't care who manages us next season, but I do not want the overpaid mercenaries at our club, go with youth down to Div2 for all I care, I just want the players to try.

I don't blame him nor has anyone else from what I've read. He's offered nothing though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on March 05, 2016, 05:30:52 PM
Quote from: preston28 on March 05, 2016, 05:27:57 PM
Seems to me that Garde has given up. I think he will be gone when we a finally relegated. God knows why he took the job?

Clearly, he was lied to, then the capricious, whimsical Randy Lerner decided to stab him in the back. He's been right royally shafted, as we've all been by this feckless charlatan.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 05, 2016, 05:35:03 PM
Quote from: ez on March 05, 2016, 05:08:21 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 05, 2016, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2016, 05:02:33 PM
He's got nothing to work with.

The squad clearly consists largely of mercenary c***s who don't give too much of a shit.

I'm not sure he gives a stuff either.  Telling players they're all shit on a weekly basis isn't going to make them try harder.  They're shit, he's shit.  A perfect storm of shitness.

He could do a Lambert and keep saying "we were excellent". No thanks.

The thing is Lamberts annoying 'we were excellent' 'we go again' bullshit was an attempt to prop up the players fragile confidence and turn around our form. When Sherwood and Garde have called out the players for not being good enough it's about recognising that changing our form is almost impossible and trying to preserve their reputations and careers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 05, 2016, 05:35:16 PM
EVERYBODY appreciates that he inherited a complete sack of shit when he took over.
But, does that really justify the results, batterings and humiliations week after week after week?

Surely a managers job is to get the best out the resources available to him.

As bad as they are I do not believe the results and performances from this team should be as absolutely fucking atrocious as they are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 05, 2016, 05:35:34 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 05:25:15 PM
Quote from: ez on March 05, 2016, 05:21:52 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: ez on March 05, 2016, 05:01:33 PM
When the squad only has rubbish players in it we're going to be rubbish.

I agree, but he's offered nothing though, not even the 'new manager lift' that even some of the shittest out there can manage for a few weeks. I think there's a bit of the emperor's new clothes about him. I keep hearing stuff about him being a fine manager and then I look at the results.
He's been appalling. Even Sherwood managed to lift us for a few weeks and kept us up.
Wrong choice, wrong manager.

That was before the last 2 disastrous transfer windows. Sherwood got 1 league win with the current players.

Sherwood kept us up last season which I'll always be grateful for. It was always going to end in tears with Lerner in charge but at least he could point to those first few weeks of his reign. What can Garde point to? He's done absolutely nothing.

I'm grateful for it too. But the club signed 13 rubbish players in the summer and both Sherwood and Garde have got next to nothing out of them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on March 05, 2016, 05:38:01 PM
He gave up after the transfer window, needs to be fired now. Fuck knows who we will get in to replace him in our current state
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 05, 2016, 05:41:18 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on March 05, 2016, 05:38:01 PM
He gave up after the transfer window, needs to be fired now. Fuck knows who we will get in to replace him in our current state
Someone who knows how to operate in the championship, and who can start planning to get us back up as champions.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: preston28 on March 05, 2016, 05:41:47 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on March 05, 2016, 05:38:01 PM
He gave up after the transfer window, needs to be fired now. Fuck knows who we will get in to replace him in our current state

Trouble is the board as usual won't see what we can. They now have a manager who isn't managing the team.
I was hopeful the Garde would be a good manager for he Villa. His attitude and facial expressions are like the man who has accepted his wife is really leaving him and the marriage is over. He's just going through the motions.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: lovejoy on March 05, 2016, 05:42:28 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 05, 2016, 05:41:18 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on March 05, 2016, 05:38:01 PM
He gave up after the transfer window, needs to be fired now. Fuck knows who we will get in to replace him in our current state
Someone who knows how to operate in the championship, and who can start planning to get us back up as champions.
Not Garde?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 05, 2016, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on March 05, 2016, 05:42:28 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 05, 2016, 05:41:18 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on March 05, 2016, 05:38:01 PM
He gave up after the transfer window, needs to be fired now. Fuck knows who we will get in to replace him in our current state
Someone who knows how to operate in the championship, and who can start planning to get us back up as champions.
Not Garde?
If our board has an ounce of sense, credibility or desire to bring the club back from the depths, they should break the bank for Eddie Howe.

I see a few flaws in that though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: amfy on March 05, 2016, 05:46:51 PM
we've tried every size and shape of manager and regardless of whether we get any 'bounce' or not, we just continue to look progressively more shit. Worse than that we actually continue to look worse than the sum of our parts, but it's happened for so long, with so many different faces at the helm, I can't see the point of changing the manager now.

Some other shit needs to change first, because winning 3 games because someone new comes in and shouts at them, then returning to being shit again isn't actually going to help anyone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on March 05, 2016, 05:47:46 PM
Quote from: preston28 on March 05, 2016, 05:41:47 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on March 05, 2016, 05:38:01 PM
He gave up after the transfer window, needs to be fired now. Fuck knows who we will get in to replace him in our current state

Trouble is the board as usual won't see what we can. They now have a manager who isn't managing the team.
I was hopeful the Garde would be a good manager for he Villa. His attitude and facial expressions are like the man who has accepted his wife is really leaving him and the marriage is over. He's just going through the motions.

Agree.  Hoped he would be the right man for us, but his position is becoming more untenable by the game.  He obviously feels let down, but looks like a beaten man and I just can't see a way back for him now.  Better he went now and either appoint someone new or finish the season with a caretaker manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2016, 05:50:35 PM
What difference does it really make to replace him with a caretaker manager now?

It isn't going to get any better than this with the current squad, things have just got way too bad for that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on March 05, 2016, 05:52:22 PM
I've got sympathy for garde. As said above, God knows why he took the job. He probably considers it the worst thing he's done in his career. We're as good at sucking the life out of young managers as young players. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 05, 2016, 05:53:55 PM
Quote from: preston28 on March 05, 2016, 05:27:57 PM
Seems to me that Garde has given up. I think he will be gone when we a finally relegated. God knows why he took the job?

oh i would imagine 20 odd grand per week was a factor

he isnt a decent man at all, if he had any dignity at all he would have already resigned. an 11% win ratio cannot be defended in any way.

the bloke is a pathetic manager
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on March 05, 2016, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 05, 2016, 05:53:55 PM
Quote from: preston28 on March 05, 2016, 05:27:57 PM
Seems to me that Garde has given up. I think he will be gone when we a finally relegated. God knows why he took the job?

oh i would imagine 20 odd grand per week was a factor

he isnt a decent man at all, if he had any dignity at all he would have already resigned. an 11% win ratio cannot be defended in any way.

the bloke is a pathetic manager

Why in gods name should he resign?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 05, 2016, 05:57:05 PM
Can  only concur what other guys and girls have said - why did he take the Job?  Cant be good for his CV.  Been sold down the West Midland canals and was well and truly canalled streeted  today in Manchester.  He will no doubt leave in the summer with a shrug of the shoulders by  most Villa fans.

Right choice of man at the wrong time. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on March 05, 2016, 05:57:57 PM
I think we'd do better with a fan as interim manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 05, 2016, 06:04:19 PM
We could sack him but we'll still have the same players and there lies the problem. Are we going to try a third manager in one season to try to get them playing?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 05, 2016, 06:06:04 PM
Quote from: themossman on March 05, 2016, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 05, 2016, 05:53:55 PM
Quote from: preston28 on March 05, 2016, 05:27:57 PM
Seems to me that Garde has given up. I think he will be gone when we a finally relegated. God knows why he took the job?

oh i would imagine 20 odd grand per week was a factor

he isnt a decent man at all, if he had any dignity at all he would have already resigned. an 11% win ratio cannot be defended in any way.

the bloke is a pathetic manager

Why in gods name should he resign?

fuck me just hazarding a wild guess:

a win ratio of 11%
being tactically inept
having had zero impact since he arrived
doing the same shit week in week out
refusing to take any proportion of blame
having a gd of minus fuck knows what since he arrived
picking gabby
picking westwood
picking richards
continual grizzling

is that enough?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on March 05, 2016, 06:06:59 PM
Fuck me.

You've listed the reasons you don't like garde, now tell me why he should resign.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pav on March 05, 2016, 06:09:59 PM
Who should he pick ? The squad is awful , it's a shit deck of cards . I don't know which manager would improve that lot. The problem is way deeper then Remi .
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 05, 2016, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: themossman on March 05, 2016, 06:06:59 PM
Fuck me.

You've listed the reasons you don't like garde, now tell me why he should resign.

jesus wept if they arent enough reasons to prove he is way out his depth there really is no hope

he is worse than billy mcneill

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 06:13:52 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 05, 2016, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: themossman on March 05, 2016, 06:06:59 PM
Fuck me.

You've listed the reasons you don't like garde, now tell me why he should resign.

jesus wept if they arent enough reasons to prove he is way out his depth there really is no hope

he is worse than billy mcneill



Would you resign if your contract could be paid up in 3 months time? Would you?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 05, 2016, 06:16:17 PM
All those criticising Garde for picking the same players, who should he pick? Please don't say the youngsters unless you spend your time watching them and there are some outstanding players coming through because putting them into this toxic atmosphere could destroy them.

I honestly don't know what Garde could do differently with the shite has to work with.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on March 05, 2016, 06:18:23 PM
He's moved to another country to have a go at rescuing a club in its death throes. There is strong evidence he has been lied to and, at the least, starved of budget in a way no PL manager in history has. The players he's lumbered with are taking the piss. If I was him, I'd be hanging on to get every penny I could out of those disgraceful shysters and I wouldn't give two shits about the fans who are slagging me off on message boards. There's no reason on earth he owes anyone the convenience of falling on his sword.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: montague on March 05, 2016, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 05, 2016, 06:16:17 PM
All those criticising Garde for picking the same players, who should he pick? Please don't say the youngsters unless you spend your time watching them and there are some outstanding players coming through because putting them into this toxic atmosphere could destroy them.

I honestly don't know what Garde could do differently with the shite has to work with.

Last time I looked the U21s are in the second tier and not pulling up any trees. When was the last time we produced a good homegrown player and yet we keep telling ourselves how wonderful our academy is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 06:27:21 PM
Mourinho didn't resign when Chelsea went plummeting towards the bottom 4 earlier this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on March 05, 2016, 06:29:34 PM
Basically managers never resign, let alone when they have been so royally fucked over.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 05, 2016, 06:29:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 06:27:21 PM
Mourinho didn't resign when Chelsea went plummeting towards the bottom 4 earlier this season.
Are you really comparing Chelsea, the defending league champions, to Aston Villa?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 06:34:48 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 05, 2016, 06:29:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 06:27:21 PM
Mourinho didn't resign when Chelsea went plummeting towards the bottom 4 earlier this season.
Are you really comparing Chelsea, the defending league champions, to Aston Villa?

Yes why not? To go from champions to hovering over the bottom three is some going, don't you think?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on March 05, 2016, 06:36:37 PM
Quote
Can  only concur what other guys and girls have said - why did he take the Job?

Because he was unemployed?

Because we pay him 1.2M a year?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on March 05, 2016, 06:38:39 PM
Disgraceful, him earning a wage commensurate with the going rate for a PL manager. He should have negotiated that right down at the start if he had any self respect.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 05, 2016, 06:39:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 06:34:48 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 05, 2016, 06:29:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 06:27:21 PM
Mourinho didn't resign when Chelsea went plummeting towards the bottom 4 earlier this season.
Are you really comparing Chelsea, the defending league champions, to Aston Villa?

Yes why not? To go from champions to hovering over the bottom three is some going, don't you think?
It does, but no-one believed for a minute they would ever stay there or end up fighting relegation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 05, 2016, 06:41:26 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 06:27:21 PM
Mourinho didn't resign when Chelsea went plummeting towards the bottom 4 earlier this season.

Advocaat did.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 05, 2016, 06:43:16 PM
Think it will be a mutual consent thing after Arsenal game. Or even sooner as we must be on course to go down by Mid April at this rate?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 06:45:25 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 05, 2016, 06:39:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 06:34:48 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 05, 2016, 06:29:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 06:27:21 PM
Mourinho didn't resign when Chelsea went plummeting towards the bottom 4 earlier this season.
Are you really comparing Chelsea, the defending league champions, to Aston Villa?

Yes why not? To go from champions to hovering over the bottom three is some going, don't you think?
It does, but no-one believed for a minute they would ever stay there or end up fighting relegation.

Then why did they sack him then?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ronshirt on March 05, 2016, 06:46:42 PM
I quite liked the idea of Garde. But he was always going to be another of our Randolf's gambles. And experience teaches that they rarely pay. Come August I doubt our latest manageri will still be with us. Having faulted a Premier League relegation battle Remi must realise that the muck and nettles of the old Second Division is not for him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 05, 2016, 07:17:35 PM
If Garde leaves it will be yet another blind, stupid, short term, blundering lurch into the unknown that have littered the decline of the club over the last six years.

When Garde goes there will be shouts of jubilation from these pages that he has been sent packing.  The engineer has packed his bag and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start has been sent for.  We will have Howe/Rowett/Dych photographed in front of the Holte End holding a scarf over his head, telling us what a big club we are.  He will be hailed as the new Messiah.

Then he will have to deal with an absentee want-out owner, an incompetent CEO, a Chairman who is actually the owner's de facto administrator, a completely demoralised staff, a dressing room like the OK Corral, the loss to better clubs of the few talented players we have, the entrenchment of the rubbish on long contracts and sky high wages, a media pack with a taste for Villa blood, wall to wall piss taking and ridicule from the pundits, season ticket sales falling through the floor and the club's only real asset it's fanbase pig sick and raw from everything it has had to endure.

All that on a budget of peanuts.

Anything less than straight wins from day one and the dead cat bouncing higher than a house and the sniping and manager hating will start up all over again. A death spiral.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 05, 2016, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 05, 2016, 07:17:35 PM
If Garde leaves it will be yet another blind, stupid, short term, blundering lurch into the unknown that have littered the decline of the club over the last six years.

When Garde goes there will be shouts of jubilation from these pages that he has been sent packing.  The engineer has packed his bag and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start has been sent for.  We will have Howe/Rowett/Dych photographed in front of the Holte End holding a scarf over his head, telling us what a big club we are.  He will be hailed as the new Messiah.

Then he will have to deal with an absentee want-out owner, an incompetent CEO, a Chairman who is actually the owner's de facto administrator, a completely demoralised staff, a dressing room like the OK Corral, the loss to better clubs of the few talented players we have, the entrenchment of the rubbish on long contracts and sky high wages, a media pack with a taste for Villa blood, wall to wall piss taking and ridicule from the pundits, season ticket sales falling through the floor and the club's only real asset it's fanbase pig sick and raw from everything it has had to endure.

All that on a budget of peanuts.

Anything less than straight wins from day one and the dead cat bouncing higher than a house and the sniping and manager hating will start up all over again. A death spiral.

Yes granted Brian, that goes without saying. But apart from that, what has Remi Garde ever done for us?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: clash city rocker on March 05, 2016, 07:25:19 PM
I would imagine that Garden has already decided what he wants to do cone the summer. I also imagine the board have already decided his fate. Just think a few months ago Moyes was being discussed on these pages as a possible manager and there wasn't 100% support for him. The next villa manager will be miles below the class of Moyes.God help us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on March 05, 2016, 07:26:08 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 06:13:52 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 05, 2016, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: themossman on March 05, 2016, 06:06:59 PM
Fuck me.

You've listed the reasons you don't like garde, now tell me why he should resign.

jesus wept if they arent enough reasons to prove he is way out his depth there really is no hope

he is worse than billy mcneill



Would you resign if your contract could be paid up in 3 months time? Would you?

if I wanted to leave with dignity and still have some credibility I would have resigned after west ham. He can stick around for cash but a major black mark on cv taking Villa down. He'll never manage in the prem again
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
For a few million quid I think i'd ignore pride and dignity. Especially if i'd been shit on by my employers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on March 05, 2016, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
For a few million quid I think i'd ignore pride and dignity. Especially if i'd been shit on by my employers.

Maybe so. Depends on whether he wants to be a millionaire - probably already is - or have a decent future in football management. Walking in out in feb would have shat on his employers when we still had a chance as no one would have joined us then
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 07:36:00 PM
Quote from: myf on March 05, 2016, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
For a few million quid I think i'd ignore pride and dignity. Especially if i'd been shit on by my employers.

Maybe so. Depends on whether he wants to be a millionaire - probably already is - or have a decent future in football management. Walking in out in feb would have shat on his employers when we still had a chance as no one would have joined us then

Ok, let's put it another way. Should Steve McClaren walk away from his Newcastle contract?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on March 05, 2016, 07:39:50 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 07:36:00 PM
Quote from: myf on March 05, 2016, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
For a few million quid I think i'd ignore pride and dignity. Especially if i'd been shit on by my employers.

Maybe so. Depends on whether he wants to be a millionaire - probably already is - or have a decent future in football management. Walking in out in feb would have shat on his employers when we still had a chance as no one would have joined us then

Ok, let's put it another way. Should Steve McClaren walk away from his Newcastle contract?

no comparison.  Steve has been damaged goods for years and his career is finished now. Gardes was just begining
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on March 05, 2016, 07:41:21 PM
It's nonsense to write him off based on his time here. He will go to another club in Europe, possibly back to Lyon, and resume his progress as a good young manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on March 05, 2016, 07:41:28 PM
I think it would be reasonable to say he should have got a few wins considering how long he has been in the job.Unfortunately he has failed to do this.Much as I like Remi I think the end is very close.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Durham58 on March 05, 2016, 07:41:54 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 05, 2016, 07:17:35 PM
If Garde leaves it will be yet another blind, stupid, short term, blundering lurch into the unknown that have littered the decline of the club over the last six years.

When Garde goes there will be shouts of jubilation from these pages that he has been sent packing.  The engineer has packed his bag and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start has been sent for.  We will have Howe/Rowett/Dych photographed in front of the Holte End holding a scarf over his head, telling us what a big club we are.  He will be hailed as the new Messiah.

Then he will have to deal with an absentee want-out owner, an incompetent CEO, a Chairman who is actually the owner's de facto administrator, a completely demoralised staff, a dressing room like the OK Corral, the loss to better clubs of the few talented players we have, the entrenchment of the rubbish on long contracts and sky high wages, a media pack with a taste for Villa blood, wall to wall piss taking and ridicule from the pundits, season ticket sales falling through the floor and the club's only real asset it's fanbase pig sick and raw from everything it has had to endure.

All that on a budget of peanuts.

Anything less than straight wins from day one and the dead cat bouncing higher than a house and the sniping and manager hating will start up all over again. A death spiral.

While Lerner's austerity has obviously damaged us , our main problem has been a stream of woeful managerial appointments.

Even with Lerner at the  helm  if we appoint Sean Dyche in the close season I'm sure he'd get us back up pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: in exile on March 05, 2016, 07:43:27 PM
Quote from: Durham58 on March 05, 2016, 07:41:54 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 05, 2016, 07:17:35 PM
If Garde leaves it will be yet another blind, stupid, short term, blundering lurch into the unknown that have littered the decline of the club over the last six years.

When Garde goes there will be shouts of jubilation from these pages that he has been sent packing.  The engineer has packed his bag and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start has been sent for.  We will have Howe/Rowett/Dych photographed in front of the Holte End holding a scarf over his head, telling us what a big club we are.  He will be hailed as the new Messiah.

Then he will have to deal with an absentee want-out owner, an incompetent CEO, a Chairman who is actually the owner's de facto administrator, a completely demoralised staff, a dressing room like the OK Corral, the loss to better clubs of the few talented players we have, the entrenchment of the rubbish on long contracts and sky high wages, a media pack with a taste for Villa blood, wall to wall piss taking and ridicule from the pundits, season ticket sales falling through the floor and the club's only real asset it's fanbase pig sick and raw from everything it has had to endure.

All that on a budget of peanuts.

Anything less than straight wins from day one and the dead cat bouncing higher than a house and the sniping and manager hating will start up all over again. A death spiral.

While Lerner's austerity has obviously damaged us , our main problem has been a stream of woeful managerial appointments.

Even with Lerner at the  helm  if we appoint Sean Dyche in the close season I'm sure he'd get us back up pretty quickly.
Yeah, because Dyche will come to us in a flash won't he?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 07:43:45 PM
Quote from: myf on March 05, 2016, 07:39:50 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 07:36:00 PM
Quote from: myf on March 05, 2016, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
For a few million quid I think i'd ignore pride and dignity. Especially if i'd been shit on by my employers.

Maybe so. Depends on whether he wants to be a millionaire - probably already is - or have a decent future in football management. Walking in out in feb would have shat on his employers when we still had a chance as no one would have joined us then

Ok, let's put it another way. Should Steve McClaren walk away from his Newcastle contract?

no comparison.  Steve has been damaged goods for years and his career is finished now. Gardes was just begining

Maybe, but he's still walking away from a lot of money. People who say he should wouldn't do it themselves.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: myf on March 05, 2016, 07:49:56 PM
If he's sacked will that be about £20m in compo on last 5 gaffers?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2016, 07:50:13 PM
I don't want Dyche until he learns to clear his throat.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on March 05, 2016, 07:53:39 PM
No manager with any ambition will come here. We are poisonous.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Yossarian on March 05, 2016, 08:00:34 PM
Not even Jesus could save us now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on March 05, 2016, 08:09:29 PM
He should be sent on Gardening leave
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on March 05, 2016, 08:11:19 PM
Quote from: Yossarian on March 05, 2016, 08:00:34 PM
Not even Jesus could save us now.

We've had our last supper and Judas invited his brothers to dine.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: Des Little on March 05, 2016, 07:53:39 PM
No manager with any ambition will come here. We are poisonous.

That's my take on it as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: clash city rocker on March 05, 2016, 08:17:56 PM
If there are players in that changing room who are poisoning  the atmosphere it would be lovely for them to be named. I know it will never happen but they get paid obscene amounts of money and players like that just seem like bullies. Well if they are like that let them be known and the bullies can feel the wrath of thousands of fans.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 08:28:34 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of decent manager's would love the chance of managing this club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 05, 2016, 08:29:25 PM
Quote from: clash city rocker on March 05, 2016, 08:17:56 PM
If there are players in that changing room who are poisoning  the atmosphere it would be lovely for them to be named. I know it will never happen but they get paid obscene amounts of money and players like that just seem like bullies. Well if they are like that let them be known and the bullies can feel the wrath of thousands of fans.

I agree but the timing needs to be right.  Whilst we cannot salvage this season, 9 games is still a few months and by outing the players then there will be open warfare from that point onwards.  THere'd be a fair amount of collateral damage if he we to do it now, Garde being an obvious potential victim too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on March 05, 2016, 08:31:11 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 08:28:34 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of decent manager's would love the chance of managing this club.

Correct. I hope we give Garde a chance first however.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 05, 2016, 08:32:15 PM
I'll say it for the 4th or 5th time. Howe would do it given the backing and the guarantees. We're a big club albeit it in pieces, and a manager with ambition at a smaller club a division above us would look at us seriously.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 08:35:00 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 08:28:34 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of decent manager's would love the chance of managing this club.

If you provide them a budget worthy of the club that is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 08:36:26 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 08:35:00 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 08:28:34 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of decent manager's would love the chance of managing this club.

If you provide them a budget worthy of the club that is.

Like MON was.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 05, 2016, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: preston28 on March 05, 2016, 05:27:57 PM
Seems to me that Garde has given up. I think he will be gone when we a finally relegated. God knows why he took the job?

When he took over we were 4 pts behind with the promise of January spending. January came and weren't we 9 pts behind? No spending game over.

The lack of initial impact is what done for us. We should never have been so far behind come January, for that it's partly Garde's fault. But in this whole shit storm of wank his is only a small part to play. Way, way behind that useless fuck Lerner and all the yes men, morons and cronies he's employed the last decade.

A pox on Lerner, his mismanagement and poor attitude towards us has completely broken the club I support. ******.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on March 05, 2016, 08:39:07 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 08:28:34 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of decent manager's would love the chance of managing this club.

That's strange because ever since MON left none have applied. Other than " single candidate Sherwood" its been a hard job to fill quality wise. We've been turned down more times than a Premier Inn duvet.

We are an absolute graveyard for Managerial careers now and everyone knows it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 08:40:52 PM
Lots of managers will want to come. It's not like we are going to become a non league side next season is it? As utterly shit as it is it's not like we are shutting down shop. There will be an Aston Villa in 2016/17 and it will still be step up for many, many managers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on March 05, 2016, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on March 05, 2016, 08:31:11 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 05, 2016, 08:28:34 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of decent manager's would love the chance of managing this club.
Quote
Correct. I hope we give Garde a chance first however.

This is the camp I sit in too.  We're all punch drunk at what's happening to our club.  Difference of opinion is human nature but, whilst some of the team selections under Remi Garde have been perplexing to us watchers; I feel he needs the opportunity to build his own team. 

Veretout, Amavi, Ayew, Adama and Okore I'd keep, the rest I'd stick on one of those cars they use at the circus where the door opens and a never ending stream of clowns spill out.  Pity Bingley Hall has gone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: preston28 on March 05, 2016, 08:48:24 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on March 05, 2016, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 05, 2016, 07:17:35 PM
If Garde leaves it will be yet another blind, stupid, short term, blundering lurch into the unknown that have littered the decline of the club over the last six years.

When Garde goes there will be shouts of jubilation from these pages that he has been sent packing.  The engineer has packed his bag and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start has been sent for.  We will have Howe/Rowett/Dych photographed in front of the Holte End holding a scarf over his head, telling us what a big club we are.  He will be hailed as the new Messiah.

Then he will have to deal with an absentee want-out owner, an incompetent CEO, a Chairman who is actually the owner's de facto administrator, a completely demoralised staff, a dressing room like the OK Corral, the loss to better clubs of the few talented players we have, the entrenchment of the rubbish on long contracts and sky high wages, a media pack with a taste for Villa blood, wall to wall piss taking and ridicule from the pundits, season ticket sales falling through the floor and the club's only real asset it's fanbase pig sick and raw from everything it has had to endure.

All that on a budget of peanuts.

Anything less than straight wins from day one and the dead cat bouncing higher than a house and the sniping and manager hating will start up all over again. A death spiral.

Yes granted Brian, that goes without saying. But apart from that, what has Remi Garde ever done for us?

Fine Bordeaux? Flushing toilets ? In a monty Python-esq way!,
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 09:02:25 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 08:40:52 PM
Lots of managers will want to come. It's not like we are going to become a non league side next season is it? As utterly shit as it is it's not like we are shutting down shop. There will be an Aston Villa in 2016/17 and it will still be step up for many, many managers.

If these managers you speak of are anything like the ones we've employed over the last 5 seasons then I don't think the fans will be getting too excited.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: maigrait on March 05, 2016, 09:07:52 PM
Yes results have been terrible under garde goes without saying. Although he hasnt got any of his own players and was thrust in mid season i will give him leeway in this regard.

Everyone wants a silver bullet and they think its a new manager but as someone else put it we've had a lot of managers over the past few years none seem to have given us success to any great degree. Randolph is the main clown in this. If he cant be bothered why should anyone at his level and down be bothered?

We need a player clearout if thats possible but as potential assets this is highly unlikely. As crap as we think they are no contracts will be cancelled and we will have a lot of the muppets next season.

I can offer no solution to this mess except a glimmer of a new owner but its unlikely to happen unless randolph cuts his asking price significantly.

The only hope is a decent summer transfer window with a new up and coming manager with new ideas. I cant see garde staying or being allowed to stay the axe will fall yet again.


The worst part of it all is when we lose i just have a chuckle and go meh. Thats no way to be. I used to be a miserable bugger for the rest of the day in the past, when we lost. The passion has been drained out of me.

Shocking state of affairs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 05, 2016, 09:09:07 PM
We might have to wait and see what the so called investigation/inquiry brings before we start thinking about attracting another Manager in. We may need to clear the decks first before we even know the shape, structure and spending budget  of the club. Do I trust Garde to take Villa forward? Not from the Championship, no.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 05, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
I do find it odd that this cliche that a manager needs to 'know the Championship' to get out of it still gets thrown about. It's exactly the same as the Premier League only with worse teams and it's exactly the same as League 1 but with better teams. The Championship does not exist in some parallel universe where they play a different game. It's an old myth that you have to be ultra physical to get out of it. Nowadays the teams who play better football tend to get out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on March 05, 2016, 09:40:59 PM
It's nonsense. You don't need Mick McCarthy and eleven Lee Cattermole's to achieve anything in the championship.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 09:43:39 PM
Correct. It's a complete myth. Garde with proper support from the board would get us out. Newcastle, with Hughton and Ashley upstairs pissed it. And they were every bit a joke as we are when they went down.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave P on March 05, 2016, 09:44:47 PM
If there is a vacancy in the summer, then you can bet Martin Laursen's name would be bounded about. I'd love us to get Simon Grayson.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 05, 2016, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 09:43:39 PM
Correct. It's a complete myth. Garde with proper support from the board would get us out. Newcastle, with Hughton and Ashley upstairs pissed it. And they were every bit a joke as we are when they went down.

No he wouldn't. Looks like Moyes for Newcastle. Now there's a man who could have done a job for us...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 05, 2016, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 05, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
I do find it odd that this cliche that a manager needs to 'know the Championship' to get out of it still gets thrown about. It's exactly the same as the Premier League only with worse teams and it's exactly the same as League 1 but with better teams. The Championship does not exist in some parallel universe where they play a different game. It's an old myth that you have to be ultra physical to get out of it. Nowadays the teams who play better football tend to get out.

It would be a factor in the case for someone like Chris Hughton, or whisper it Steve Bruce, who have shown with different clubs they can get the job done, and most importantly have experience and knowledge of the division as it is now.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on March 05, 2016, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 05, 2016, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 05, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
I do find it odd that this cliche that a manager needs to 'know the Championship' to get out of it still gets thrown about. It's exactly the same as the Premier League only with worse teams and it's exactly the same as League 1 but with better teams. The Championship does not exist in some parallel universe where they play a different game. It's an old myth that you have to be ultra physical to get out of it. Nowadays the teams who play better football tend to get out.

It would be a factor in the case for someone like Chris Hughton, or whisper it Steve Bruce, who have shown with different clubs they can get the job done, and most importantly have experience and knowledge of the division as it is now.



There's a guy at Blackburn who's got experience of getting promoted from the Championship. We could go (again) for him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on March 05, 2016, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 09:43:39 PM
Correct. It's a complete myth. Garde with proper support from the board would get us out. Newcastle, with Hughton and Ashley upstairs pissed it. And they were every bit a joke as we are when they went down.

No he wouldn't. Looks like Moyes for Newcastle. Now there's a man who could have done a job for us...

How do you suppose Newcastle fans felt after their hero Shearer took them down and they all found out Hughton was their appointed saviour? And Moyes didn't want to join us. More than once.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave P on March 05, 2016, 09:53:37 PM
Quote from: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on March 05, 2016, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 05, 2016, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 05, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
I do find it odd that this cliche that a manager needs to 'know the Championship' to get out of it still gets thrown about. It's exactly the same as the Premier League only with worse teams and it's exactly the same as League 1 but with better teams. The Championship does not exist in some parallel universe where they play a different game. It's an old myth that you have to be ultra physical to get out of it. Nowadays the teams who play better football tend to get out.

It would be a factor in the case for someone like Chris Hughton, or whisper it Steve Bruce, who have shown with different clubs they can get the job done, and most importantly have experience and knowledge of the division as it is now.



There's a guy at Blackburn who's got experience of getting promoted from the Championship. We could go (again) for him.

Or there is a guy who's just taken over a club in Egypt who took another club straight up after taking them down and won them a cup a few years later.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 05, 2016, 09:58:10 PM
Quote from: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on March 05, 2016, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 05, 2016, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 05, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
I do find it odd that this cliche that a manager needs to 'know the Championship' to get out of it still gets thrown about. It's exactly the same as the Premier League only with worse teams and it's exactly the same as League 1 but with better teams. The Championship does not exist in some parallel universe where they play a different game. It's an old myth that you have to be ultra physical to get out of it. Nowadays the teams who play better football tend to get out.

It would be a factor in the case for someone like Chris Hughton, or whisper it Steve Bruce, who have shown with different clubs they can get the job done, and most importantly have experience and knowledge of the division as it is now.



There's a guy at Blackburn who's got experience of getting promoted from the Championship. We could go (again) for him.

Well, you know, he might be able to do it. What he couldn't do was make us better in the Premier League with a decreasing budget.

But I'm not saying that. I'm saying in certain cases if the opportunity arose you would look at those factors as favourable to the candidate, as they are relevant.

If we're to carry out a complete overhaul, then a proven man at the level we play at, who has experience of all of these sides that we haven't given a second glance to in donkeys years, may be a key factor for us. Given that we are an utter shambles as it is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on March 05, 2016, 10:06:31 PM
Quote from: Dave P on March 05, 2016, 09:53:37 PM
Quote from: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on March 05, 2016, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 05, 2016, 09:46:04 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 05, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
I do find it odd that this cliche that a manager needs to 'know the Championship' to get out of it still gets thrown about. It's exactly the same as the Premier League only with worse teams and it's exactly the same as League 1 but with better teams. The Championship does not exist in some parallel universe where they play a different game. It's an old myth that you have to be ultra physical to get out of it. Nowadays the teams who play better football tend to get out.

It would be a factor in the case for someone like Chris Hughton, or whisper it Steve Bruce, who have shown with different clubs they can get the job done, and most importantly have experience and knowledge of the division as it is now.



There's a guy at Blackburn who's got experience of getting promoted from the Championship. We could go (again) for him.

Or there is a guy who's just taken over a club in Egypt who took another club straight up after taking them down and won them a cup a few years later.

Give Randy a call now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 05, 2016, 10:09:14 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on March 05, 2016, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 09:43:39 PM
Correct. It's a complete myth. Garde with proper support from the board would get us out. Newcastle, with Hughton and Ashley upstairs pissed it. And they were every bit a joke as we are when they went down.

No he wouldn't. Looks like Moyes for Newcastle. Now there's a man who could have done a job for us...

How do you suppose Newcastle fans felt after their hero Shearer took them down and they all found out Hughton was their appointed saviour? And Moyes didn't want to join us. More than once.

And ironically, Garde turned down Newcastle as he did not think they were a good fit for him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 05, 2016, 10:09:36 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on March 05, 2016, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 09:43:39 PM
Correct. It's a complete myth. Garde with proper support from the board would get us out. Newcastle, with Hughton and Ashley upstairs pissed it. And they were every bit a joke as we are when they went down.

No he wouldn't. Looks like Moyes for Newcastle. Now there's a man who could have done a job for us...

How do you suppose Newcastle fans felt after their hero Shearer took them down and they all found out Hughton was their appointed saviour? And Moyes didn't want to join us. More than once.

What's your point?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on March 05, 2016, 10:09:36 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 09:49:28 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on March 05, 2016, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2016, 09:43:39 PM
Correct. It's a complete myth. Garde with proper support from the board would get us out. Newcastle, with Hughton and Ashley upstairs pissed it. And they were every bit a joke as we are when they went down.

No he wouldn't. Looks like Moyes for Newcastle. Now there's a man who could have done a job for us...

How do you suppose Newcastle fans felt after their hero Shearer took them down and they all found out Hughton was their appointed saviour? And Moyes didn't want to join us. More than once.

What's your point?

My point is you don't need to be Carlo Ancelotti to get out of the Championship. So yes Garde could get us out if he was in charge. It all depends on the circumstances at the club. No different to wed be doing a lot better if the club was settled behind the scenes. Whether it's Garde in charge or anyone else, they don't stand a chance it they don't get support from the board and less off the field noise.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lucky Eddie on March 05, 2016, 10:15:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 05, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
I do find it odd that this cliche that a manager needs to 'know the Championship' to get out of it still gets thrown about. It's exactly the same as the Premier League only with worse teams and it's exactly the same as League 1 but with better teams. The Championship does not exist in some parallel universe where they play a different game. It's an old myth that you have to be ultra physical to get out of it. Nowadays the teams who play better football tend to get out.

This post gave me a reality check and really cheered me up.

Thank you for taking the time to post it.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 05, 2016, 10:16:29 PM
That's a very bold declaration saying Garde could get us back considering he's shown absolutely zero managerial competence in the short time he's been with us. What's more I can guarantee that the circumstances of the club won't be any different until RL sells up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 10:20:41 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on March 05, 2016, 10:16:29 PM
That's a very bold declaration saying Garde could get us back considering he's shown absolutely zero managerial competence in the short time he's been with us. What's more I can guarantee that the circumstances of the club won't be any different until RL sells up.

Agree with this. Garde has offered nothing in the PL so I don't see why anyone should have so much faith in his ability to get us out of the Championship.
I think you're right about the club under Lerner as well. Does anyone really think he'll be like a changed man next season and become ambitious again? Not a chance, it'll be more of the same.
Nothing will change till he sells up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mike on March 05, 2016, 10:28:38 PM
I am undecided whether Garde should walk away with dignity and a Gallic shrug having been given a shit stick or be sacked for being worse than his predecessor.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 05, 2016, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 05, 2016, 08:32:15 PM
I'll say it for the 4th or 5th time. Howe would do it given the backing and the guarantees. We're a big club albeit it in pieces, and a manager with ambition at a smaller club a division above us would look at us seriously.

You can say it as many times as you like he won't be coming to Villa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 05, 2016, 10:37:50 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 10:20:41 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on March 05, 2016, 10:16:29 PM
That's a very bold declaration saying Garde could get us back considering he's shown absolutely zero managerial competence in the short time he's been with us. What's more I can guarantee that the circumstances of the club won't be any different until RL sells up.

Agree with this. Garde has offered nothing in the PL so I don't see why anyone should have so much faith in his ability to get us out of the Championship.
I think you're right about the club under Lerner as well. Does anyone really think he'll be like a changed man next season and become ambitious again? Not a chance, it'll be more of the same.
Nothing will change till he sells up.

The only way Garde can work next season - and further forward - is if he is given the authority to strip the club back and remove it's rotten core.  With out that it will just be a continuation of what exists now.  He has given up on a fair few of the players and they have given up on him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on March 05, 2016, 10:38:08 PM
Media starting to turn the screw (via The Mirror) http://bit.ly/24IHKfK
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 05, 2016, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: Lucky Eddie on March 05, 2016, 10:15:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 05, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
I do find it odd that this cliche that a manager needs to 'know the Championship' to get out of it still gets thrown about. It's exactly the same as the Premier League only with worse teams and it's exactly the same as League 1 but with better teams. The Championship does not exist in some parallel universe where they play a different game. It's an old myth that you have to be ultra physical to get out of it. Nowadays the teams who play better football tend to get out.

This post gave me a reality check and really cheered me up.

Thank you for taking the time to post it.

Your welcome.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 05, 2016, 10:42:08 PM
Quote from: Matt C on March 05, 2016, 10:38:08 PM
Media starting to turn the screw (via The Mirror) http://bit.ly/24IHKfK

Will save us a few quid in compo I suppose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on March 05, 2016, 10:49:19 PM
I actually feel a bit for Garde and he certainly owes us nothing.  The Board hung him out to dry. I bet he can't wait to get away but doesn't want to make it easy on them the way he's been treated.

Promised funds but then none materialsed. Dreadful squad with poor attitudes and couldn't change it.

I'm now sure MON had a minimum transfer annual spend fixed in his contract, hence he walked and won his employment tribunal, maybe Garde wishes he'd done the same for the January window.  Take them for every penny you can Remi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frank black on March 05, 2016, 10:50:56 PM
He's really not very good. Certainly expect him to be fired, rather than him walk. It's the Villa way.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Irish villain on March 05, 2016, 10:55:01 PM
Quote from: mike on March 05, 2016, 10:28:38 PM
I am undecided whether Garde should walk away with dignity and a Gallic shrug having been given a shit stick or be sacked for being worse than his predecessor.

We were making progress in January. Harder to beat, showing more spirit, grinding our way to a similar points total as we were in mid-February last season. The fact that he wasn't backed in the window was the final nail in our coffin and men of less integrity than him would have waked away on 1 February.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 05, 2016, 11:11:03 PM
Only the blind would fail to see he doesn't have the backing of the squad. Therefor if he were to stay we'd need to cull about 10 players, can anyone see us selling and buying 10 players successfully? I bloody can't. It isn't going to happen in my opinion. Sacking Remi is the easy option, rather than the root cause the useless, gobshite, couldn't give a toss players on easy street with their cliques.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 06, 2016, 12:31:42 AM
He has so clearly given up the fight which alarms me. A month ago I was fully behind him rebuilding as long as he got to the point a game sort of mark. He is nowhere near that now and the performances are as shambolic as the christmas of dread under Lambert where we lost about 33-0 in 5 games.

I think he has been completely de-motivated by those above him, and is fed up of those he is trying to manage. When Richards, Lescott, Gabby and NZogbia are your 4 highest paid players, "earning" 60k a week plus each, what fucking chance do you stand.

But, and it is a big one, he has called them out, moaned about them, told the world they are shitbags essentially, but keeps picking them. Lyden could have come in today to add extra legs in midfield. Okore and Clark can play together in the back 4. Gestede and Ayew could have started up front.

I understand his hands are tied with the squad, but Gardner is a better midfielder than Bacuna and Westwood and was allowed to go.

Whoever comes in next season has to find 7-8 players, cheaply, who have got the stomach for a fucking fight, and be allowed to get shut of at least 8-9 of our current lot. Horrible task for anyone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 06, 2016, 12:50:27 AM
Pot one: Moyes, Rodgers, Hughes
Pot two: Dyche, Bruce, Warburton
Shit on the pot: Pearson, Holloway, Penis

Who's it gonna be?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 06, 2016, 01:11:16 AM
I'd have Dyche from that list but doubt we'd get him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 06, 2016, 01:11:21 AM
I actually wouldn't mind Steve Bruce and think he would do a pretty decent job but there is no point considering him due to the fact the moronic media and some of our fans would be anti him for his Blue connections straight away. He also has a 3 year shelf life at a club when it starts going south.

Warburton would be my first choice because he has managed in the Championship and done a decent job at Rangers, but I doubt he would come. I fear we will end up with Gary Monk who was way out of his depth once the novelty wore off at Swansea.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on March 06, 2016, 01:13:09 AM
Pot two if we're lucky.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on March 06, 2016, 01:19:06 AM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on March 05, 2016, 10:42:08 PM
Quote from: Matt C on March 05, 2016, 10:38:08 PM
Media starting to turn the screw (via The Mirror) http://bit.ly/24IHKfK

Will save us a few quid in compo I suppose.

Moxley.

File under bullshit.

Just scours the internet for snippets. No real contacts.

The Sunday People does not exist in the real world; it is a taste of the virtual hell to come.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Damo70 on March 06, 2016, 01:31:20 AM
I would keep Garde until the end of the season and then get shot of him as soon as the final whistle goes. I think we all know this wasn't his mess but he hasn't mopped up any of the mess he inherited and we probably would have been better off sticking with Sherwood. So accept our fate and then appoint a new manager as soon as the season finishes. Pearson for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on March 06, 2016, 01:39:32 AM
Quote from: Irish villain on March 05, 2016, 10:55:01 PM
Quote from: mike on March 05, 2016, 10:28:38 PM
I am undecided whether Garde should walk away with dignity and a Gallic shrug having been given a shit stick or be sacked for being worse than his predecessor.

We were making progress in January. Harder to beat, showing more spirit, grinding our way to a similar points total as we were in mid-February last season. The fact that he wasn't backed in the window was the final nail in our coffin and men of less integrity than him would have waked away on 1 February.

That sums it up for me.

Unfortunately, since he was sold down the river, he has been protecting his position for next season to the detriment of our remaining games. 

I can't really blame him for this, since he is dealing with a bunch of  lying ****s, but I think he might have miscalculated the strength of his position.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: croatian on March 06, 2016, 03:54:37 AM
I've just had a vision of Pearson taking over.

Given his reputed aggression and arrogance and the squads known spineless indifference, his first day at BH could involve a fleet of ambulances, armed riot police and Cameron calling in the SAS. Kay Burley would be on the spot reporting on a succession of bloodied and bandaged players on stretchers, including one face down with an iphone protruding from his rectum. Another in very bright, expensive blood stained pyjamas being rushed to a Harley Street clinic, whilst checking his wallet.

It could provide some much needed entertainment.

Exaggeration perhaps, but he'd bring heavy ordnance to the party.

Bring it on.

Pearson or Dyche.

Please.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on March 06, 2016, 05:15:46 AM
What's the point if the board back any new manager the way they've backed Garde then they will fail. I still believe that Garde  has been undermined from day one by a coterie of senior players, only that explains the continual lack of effort. The club has to make an example and telling Gabby to stay away for the rest of the season and to start looking for another club may just do the trick. What is there to lose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 06, 2016, 05:43:18 AM
As has been pointed out many times, we are just going to continue to spiral down if the only answer to all our problems is change the manager, but I see no alternative in this case, we are not going to rid the club overnight of the well paid, could not give a toss footballers we have managed to collect all at the same time, so after seeing that Remi cannot get anything out of them, change will occur.

The problem then, the last time this club had any level of competence was when we put all our eggs in one basket MON style, now rightly or wrongly to a degree it worked, since then we have tried to put together a level of management that will allow for some over seeing of the person nominated by these same people as the FOOTBALL Manager, the highlighted word football, the problem being we have placed in positions persons not capable especially in a football sense of doing this to any level of success.
 
As we stand at the moment we have accountants, marketing monkeys and retired bankers who could write what they know about football on the back of a stamp and still have room for War and Peace.

We then hit the issue that will cause us major problems, when we stop thinking we are Aston Villa so of course a top man will want the job, well since pube head went out the door we have not had great success on that scale and the names that were attached to us if they were of a reasonable quality level would not touch us, Moyes how many times, Rafa etc, football management is a very small but close world within the shores of the UK / Europe and you get the feeling that the word, career ender and toxic gets associated with AVFC on a regular basis, so then we are back to taking a chance on a chancer, see Sherwood or on a suitably unknown man from abroad, to a certain degree see Remi.

Randy and his yes men have really done a fine job of restricting our options going forward, while he is still here we are in for a sustained period of despair and much anger from the only good thing at AVFC the support.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 06, 2016, 07:41:23 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on March 06, 2016, 01:31:20 AM

Pearson for me.

What is the appeal of Pearson?  Surely the up turn in form between Ranieri's leicester versus Pearson's leicester should be a warning sign that he does not get the most out of his players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: OzVilla on March 06, 2016, 07:49:00 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on March 06, 2016, 07:41:23 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on March 06, 2016, 01:31:20 AM

Pearson for me.

What is the appeal of Pearson?  Surely the up turn in form between Ranieri's leicester versus Pearson's leicester should be a warning sign that he does not get the most out of his players.

But Pearson can spin the reflected glory of the last 10 games as the start of their revolution and our numpties will happily believe it. Oh and he'll be cheap of course and desperate for a job

They'll love his Sgt Major routine as it'll be mainly the squad we have this year minus players they can get buyers for - so that'll be just a couple of our few decent ones leaving and the deadwood remaining.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on March 06, 2016, 07:50:22 AM
Reading this thread is actually becoming more depressing than watching the team. Which is some achievement.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: preston28 on March 06, 2016, 07:53:56 AM
Quote from: Newby on March 06, 2016, 12:50:27 AM
Pot one: Moyes, Rodgers, Hughes
Pot two: Dyche, Bruce, Warburton
Shit on the pot: Pearson, Holloway, Penis

Who's it gonna be?

As said by other posters - Grayson worth a punt? Has worked with worse owners at Leeds, he's ex Villa and doing well with a Preston squad assembled on near to nothing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ldavfc4eva on March 06, 2016, 08:23:23 AM
Pot one wouldn't touch us with a barge pole, pot two I doubt would either as all three will gain promotion with the clubs they currently manage (well it is a three horse race in the championship so one of them may miss out to Middlesboro)

Pot three, erm if I had to then I'd have to say penis I suppose, never said that before or will again!

Grayson isn't a bad shout, how about Karanka if Boro don't get promoted?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 06, 2016, 08:28:31 AM
We've been going through managers like the clappers. Some of them were even good before they arrived.

At some point, you have to start wondering whether it might not be the managers who are the problem.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Allan C on March 06, 2016, 08:35:17 AM
It dosnt matter who is in charge. No one mentioned will do anything with our load of useless wasters, surely the worst Villa squad EVER. I feel like crying every time I see the team sheet. Unless there's change at the very top, it's more of the same. What's certain is that none of it is RG's fault cos he didn't buy any of them. Nobody could get a tune from this lot I'm afraid
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on March 06, 2016, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 06, 2016, 12:31:42 AM


I understand his hands are tied with the squad, but Gardner is a better midfielder than Bacuna and Westwood and was allowed to go.

I find the Gardner decision really odd too. Why not have him on the bench at the very least?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on March 06, 2016, 09:46:15 AM
It all come back to one thing , in my opinion. We will never get a quality manager with Lerner owning the club.

We desperately need new ownership if we are to climb out of the hole we are in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 06, 2016, 10:43:03 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on March 06, 2016, 07:41:23 AM
Quote from: Damo70 on March 06, 2016, 01:31:20 AM

Pearson for me.

What is the appeal of Pearson?  Surely the up turn in form between Ranieri's leicester versus Pearson's leicester should be a warning sign that he does not get the most out of his players.

He's had a pretty brief career but generally he seems to improve teams, keep them up, or get them promoted.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rico on March 06, 2016, 10:53:09 AM
Spot on. It's got to the point now where the choice of manager is almost irrelevant. The club cannot function properly until Lerner sells up.

For my mind we are in a viscous circle of who is the lesser of two evils. If we stick with Garde we are fucked because clearly he has lost the dressing room, but if we get rid of Garde we are stuck with the biggest bunch of useless bastards I have ever seen pull on the claret and blue. (and I can remember Bernie Gallagher).

If I had a choice I would back Garde and honestly, if I had my way I would drop every single member of the first team and tell them that they are never going to play for Aston Villa again. The useless c**ts can f**k right off and get together in their cliques away from Villa park and Bodymoor Heath and stick their poisonous atmosphere where the sun don't shine. Seriously, I hate those f****rs. I would rather see the reserves. I feel so bad about Aston Villa right now that I would rather us be in league one than see Guzan, Westwood, Lescott, Gabby, Richards or Bacuna ever pull on the claret and blue again.

But it isn't going to happen is it, because even though they are the worst Villa team ever they ain't going to get sacked because sadly its all about player power now. So sadly Garde has got to go and this cluster f**k of a football club will continue to spiral out of control until a new owner comes to our rescue.

Never has a football club with so much potential been so badly run on all levels since 1983. It's almost laughable. These people are supposed to be intelligent. We're the biggest club for a radius of about 80 miles. We could be the biggest club in the country with the right people in charge. Instead we've had Ellis and Lerner. Jesus wept!

UTV
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 06, 2016, 11:41:16 AM
It is irrelevant. The players were rubbish before he arrived and they are still rubbish. They are not capable of playing to premier league standard and changing managers won't change that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 06, 2016, 11:53:19 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on March 05, 2016, 10:37:50 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 10:20:41 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on March 05, 2016, 10:16:29 PM
That's a very bold declaration saying Garde could get us back considering he's shown absolutely zero managerial competence in the short time he's been with us. What's more I can guarantee that the circumstances of the club won't be any different until RL sells up.

Agree with this. Garde has offered nothing in the PL so I don't see why anyone should have so much faith in his ability to get us out of the Championship.
I think you're right about the club under Lerner as well. Does anyone really think he'll be like a changed man next season and become ambitious again? Not a chance, it'll be more of the same.
Nothing will change till he sells up.

The only way Garde can work next season - and further forward - is if he is given the authority to strip the club back and remove it's rotten core.  With out that it will just be a continuation of what exists now.  He has given up on a fair few of the players and they have given up on him.

That's a pre-condition for whoever's in charge.  Otherwise you might as well save some cash and take a random 18 fans between the ages of 40 and 50, based on current fitness levels, to make up the team and a random 3 others to play manager and "backroom staff"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ronshirt on March 06, 2016, 11:58:13 AM
I would interview each player individually to establish whether or not they felt they were worth a place in the squad for the rest of the season. Those players that didn't convince me that they were worth keeping would be isolated from the rest of the squad and be made to train well away from BH. There is plenty of open space to the south of the city where they could practise their limited skills. I would recruit training staff from the local Job Centres. Modules would include spitting gum over distances, laughing up the sleeve, pointing and shrugging. That sort of thing. No changing facilities would be provided other than those of the nearest public toilets. Players would be disciplined for lateness and non-attendence. Persistent offenders would be sacked.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 06, 2016, 12:23:37 PM
Quote from: ronshirt on March 06, 2016, 11:58:13 AM
I would interview each player individually to establish whether or not they felt they were worth a place in the squad for the rest of the season. Those players that didn't convince me that they were worth keeping would be isolated from the rest of the squad and be made to train well away from BH. There is plenty of open space to the south of the city where they could practise their limited skills. I would recruit training staff from the local Job Centres. Modules would include spitting gum over distances, laughing up the sleeve, pointing and shrugging. That sort of thing. No changing facilities would be provided other than those of the nearest public toilets. Players would be disciplined for lateness and non-attendence. Persistent offenders would be sacked.

If he doesn't know that by now, he can take a straw poll of the fans, because I think we've got it pretty much right.

The only reasons for not dropping some of the wastrels for the kids are:

1. Not wanting to "contaminate" them with the poison that appears to be the dressing room.  I remain convinced, based on earlier appearances that the likes of Clark and Weimann whilst never being world beaters, had the potential limited by coming into the team as they did.

2. The kids aren't actually of the required quality.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 06, 2016, 12:29:32 PM
The reality of Premier League Sky fest, is it is cheaper to sack the manager than rip up a load of unprofessional, unfit for purpose wankers contracts, that even if we wanted to get rid, unless it is done correctly will have Taylor and his PFA association all over us in a second, but even after 10 years the people who run Aston Villa have not been able to identify good professional footballers with decent characters, they would rather go the overload with numbers, (MON) approach, costly route therefore they must be good, the young, hungry and not fit for premier league route, or our present route of the money ball transfer club route. Until we have a system of scouting in place that is going to have to be as good as anything in the premier league and beyond nothing is going to change and with Lerner in charge Birmingham City have more chance of being crowned Kings of Europe.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VinnieChase84 on March 06, 2016, 12:40:12 PM
For me I can't see him staying at all and think if he doesn't walk then he will 100% get the boot.
Reason:
Upon his appointment as manager - We were told that RG was brought in to coach and get more out the crop we currently have. We were told he was happy with the summer recruitment and could get more from them.
This hasn't happened. If the league season started when RG was appointed then we would still be rock bottom of the league.
Doesn't seem to be able to coach, motivate, develop anyone in our group (rightly or wrongly with the egos and attitudes that we have)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Yossarian on March 06, 2016, 12:52:00 PM
Quote from: Rico on March 06, 2016, 10:53:09 AM
Spot on. It's got to the point now where the choice of manager is almost irrelevant. The club cannot function properly until Lerner sells up.

For my mind we are in a viscous circle of who is the lesser of two evils. If we stick with Garde we are fucked because clearly he has lost the dressing room, but if we get rid of Garde we are stuck with the biggest bunch of useless bastards I have ever seen pull on the claret and blue. (and I can remember Bernie Gallagher).

If I had a choice I would back Garde and honestly, if I had my way I would drop every single member of the first team and tell them that they are never going to play for Aston Villa again. The useless c**ts can f**k right off and get together in their cliques away from Villa park and Bodymoor Heath and stick their poisonous atmosphere where the sun don't shine. Seriously, I hate those f****rs. I would rather see the reserves. I feel so bad about Aston Villa right now that I would rather us be in league one than see Guzan, Westwood, Lescott, Gabby, Richards or Bacuna ever pull on the claret and blue again.

But it isn't going to happen is it, because even though they are the worst Villa team ever they ain't going to get sacked because sadly its all about player power now. So sadly Garde has got to go and this cluster f**k of a football club will continue to spiral out of control until a new owner comes to our rescue.

Never has a football club with so much potential been so badly run on all levels since 1983. It's almost laughable. These people are supposed to be intelligent. We're the biggest club for a radius of about 80 miles. We could be the biggest club in the country with the right people in charge. Instead we've had Ellis and Lerner. Jesus wept!

UTV


I completely agree with what you say here.

Lerner and Ellis whilst not being anywhere near as bad as Olsen or Cellino have been pretty awful owners. Surely (although maths says that this isn't the case) we are due a good owner.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 06, 2016, 01:50:31 PM
The last thing I'm offering any of this lot is a holiday in the sun. If the cause hasn't united them then nothing will. We need to get to the end of the season and wave goodbye to those who are the root of the issues at the club. Otherwise it simply doesn't end.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on March 06, 2016, 02:02:51 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 05, 2016, 08:32:15 PM
I'll say it for the 4th or 5th time. Howe would do it given the backing and the guarantees.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Funniest post I've ever read.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: bob on March 06, 2016, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 06, 2016, 12:50:27 AM
Pot one: Moyes, Rodgers, Hughes
Pot two: Dyche, Bruce, Warburton
Shit on the pot: Pearson, Holloway, Penis

Who's it gonna be?

Lerner's magical mystery pot:
Someone so bad no-one even considered them a possibility
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 06, 2016, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.


The thought of this lot together "on a week training camp abroad in the sun" is hilarious.  Or scary.  Hilariously scary, even.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on March 06, 2016, 02:31:41 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.

At the very least it could give Gabby a chance to impregnate a few more women. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villadelph on March 06, 2016, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: Ian Price on March 06, 2016, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.


The thought of this lot together "on a week training camp abroad in the sun" is hilarious.  Or scary.  Hilariously scary, even.

This squad doesn't deserve anything let alone a week's vacation. Throw them to the wolves.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 06, 2016, 02:52:02 PM
Quote from: villadelph on March 06, 2016, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: Ian Price on March 06, 2016, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.


The thought of this lot together "on a week training camp abroad in the sun" is hilarious.  Or scary.  Hilariously scary, even.

This squad doesn't deserve anything let alone a week's vacation. Throw them to the wolves.

They'd probably throw them back.  They're a proud and pious lot at the other end of the Wolverhampton Road.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pete3206 on March 06, 2016, 03:04:08 PM
Quote from: Ian Price on March 06, 2016, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.


The thought of this lot together "on a week training camp abroad in the sun" is hilarious.  Or scary.  Hilariously scary, even.

For shits and giggles, I read that line above in the style of Snagglepuss. Small minds and all that

(http://www.toynerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/snag4.jpg)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on March 06, 2016, 03:04:36 PM
Quote from: villadelph on March 06, 2016, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: Ian Price on March 06, 2016, 02:24:39 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.


The thought of this lot together "on a week training camp abroad in the sun" is hilarious.  Or scary.  Hilariously scary, even.

This squad doesn't deserve anything let alone a week's vacation. Throw them to the wolves.

I'll chip in for wolves. They do a "meet the wolves" and various other events here https://ukwct.org.uk
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on March 06, 2016, 03:56:22 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.


Personally, I'd fuck them all off to Svalbard.

Or this lovely place:  http://rbth.com/multimedia/pictures/2016/01/04/life-in-norilsk-adapting-to-extreme-climate-and-ecological-challenges_551977

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 06, 2016, 04:03:53 PM
I'd love to go to Svalbard personally.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on March 06, 2016, 04:10:36 PM
It has it's charms, no doubt.

But might not be ideal for a sunshine break. Guessing there might be a lack of golf facilities and bling too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on March 06, 2016, 04:57:17 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 06, 2016, 03:56:22 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.


Personally, I'd fuck them all off to Svalbard.

Or this lovely place:  http://rbth.com/multimedia/pictures/2016/01/04/life-in-norilsk-adapting-to-extreme-climate-and-ecological-challenges_551977



Norilsk looks the ideal place for them - extreme cold and pollution. If we dropped them off there and chipped in for some hungry wolves too I think we'd be on to something
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 06, 2016, 05:40:03 PM
Remi's a broken manager now. He's done here now. He's a turd now, that needs flushing. The club has wrecked him and he was never fit for the job in the first place (there's barely a manager out the who would be to be fair).
Out of his depth. Fuck him off in May and get a fresh face in. Yes, like everyone else here I dread who that may be, but we've got to sweep the place clean and start again in the summer. There's absolutely no coming back for Garde. The players don't back him. The board have fucked him about and there's clearly a relationship beyond repair now. He's also had any shred of enthusiasm buggered out of him and he's devoid of ideas. We've pretty much turned a promising young manager, who wasn't really suited to this league, nor the task required here, into a terrible, fucking godawful manager. He's shit now. We're talking Les Reed (insert any other piss poor manager) level bad. That's not an exaggeration. Results show that. I feel for the guy, but this is a tough business and he has to go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 06, 2016, 06:07:53 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 06, 2016, 05:40:03 PM
Remi's a broken manager now. He's done here now. He's a turd now, that needs flushing. The club has wrecked him and he was never fit for the job in the first place (there's barely a manager out the who would be to be fair).
Out of his depth. Fuck him off in May and get a fresh face in. Yes, like everyone else here I dread who that may be, but we've got to sweep the place clean and start again in the summer. There's absolutely no coming back for Garde. The players don't back him. The board have fucked him about and there's clearly a relationship beyond repair now. He's also had any shred of enthusiasm buggered out of him and he's devoid of ideas. We've pretty much turned a promising young manager, who wasn't really suited to this league, nor the task required here, into a terrible, fucking godawful manager. He's shit now. We're talking Les Reed (insert any other piss poor manager) level bad. That's not an exaggeration. Results show that. I feel for the guy, but this is a tough business and he has to go.

Bit harsh...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on March 06, 2016, 06:13:29 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 06, 2016, 05:40:03 PM
Remi's a broken manager now. He's done here now. He's a turd now, that needs flushing. The club has wrecked him and he was never fit for the job in the first place (there's barely a manager out the who would be to be fair).
Out of his depth. Fuck him off in May and get a fresh face in. Yes, like everyone else here I dread who that may be, but we've got to sweep the place clean and start again in the summer. There's absolutely no coming back for Garde. The players don't back him. The board have fucked him about and there's clearly a relationship beyond repair now. He's also had any shred of enthusiasm buggered out of him and he's devoid of ideas. We've pretty much turned a promising young manager, who wasn't really suited to this league, nor the task required here, into a terrible, fucking godawful manager. He's shit now. We're talking Les Reed (insert any other piss poor manager) level bad. That's not an exaggeration. Results show that. I feel for the guy, but this is a tough business and he has to go.

Have to agree with that unfortunately.  Really wanted him to work out, but it hasn't and things have gone too far now for him to pull it back.  He's been massively stitched up by the board and the players and now looks like a beaten man. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 06, 2016, 06:20:23 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on March 06, 2016, 06:07:53 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 06, 2016, 05:40:03 PM
Remi's a broken manager now. He's done here now. He's a turd now, that needs flushing. The club has wrecked him and he was never fit for the job in the first place (there's barely a manager out the who would be to be fair).
Out of his depth. Fuck him off in May and get a fresh face in. Yes, like everyone else here I dread who that may be, but we've got to sweep the place clean and start again in the summer. There's absolutely no coming back for Garde. The players don't back him. The board have fucked him about and there's clearly a relationship beyond repair now. He's also had any shred of enthusiasm buggered out of him and he's devoid of ideas. We've pretty much turned a promising young manager, who wasn't really suited to this league, nor the task required here, into a terrible, fucking godawful manager. He's shit now. We're talking Les Reed (insert any other piss poor manager) level bad. That's not an exaggeration. Results show that. I feel for the guy, but this is a tough business and he has to go.

Bit harsh...
He's damaged goods. As I say I feel for him but sympathy only goes so far in football. I don't think there's any way that he can turn it around and be a positive influence on the squad and results. Sometimes you have to pull the trigger. By no means do I think he's a cockpiece like Sherwood, or Lambert. I'll probably wish him well when he goes, but he definitely has to go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT Villan on March 06, 2016, 06:33:26 PM
Remi has been chewed up and spit out by the Villa machine, just like the many other 'failed' managers in recent history. He now looks to me like he has given up and who would blame him ? I think it would be better for him to exit and go back to Lyon where he is appreciated and supported by the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 06, 2016, 06:55:57 PM
Quote from: CT Villan on March 06, 2016, 06:33:26 PM
Remi has been chewed up and spit out by the Villa machine, just like the many other 'failed' managers in recent history. He now looks to me like he has given up and who would blame him ? I think it would be better for him to exit and go back to Lyon where he is appreciated and supported by the club.
He left Lyon after three fairly decent years because he needed a break from football. Fuck knows how long he'll need to recover after managing us, if we haven't put him off the game for life.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2016, 07:02:31 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.

Not a bad idea.

I suggest Raqqa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 06, 2016, 07:43:05 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2016, 07:02:31 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.

Not a bad idea.

I suggest Raqqa.

*chortle*
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 06, 2016, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2016, 07:02:31 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.

Not a bad idea.

I suggest Raqqa.

They could swap tips with IS about destroying historic institutions.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2016, 10:45:39 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 06, 2016, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2016, 07:02:31 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.

Not a bad idea.

I suggest Raqqa.

They could swap tips with IS about destroying historic institutions.

*applause*

Marvellous.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 07, 2016, 05:57:11 AM
Perfect place for them would be Grenoble, the one in Ukraine, with a bit of green glow sickness Flabby might lose some weight.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 07, 2016, 06:46:06 AM
I would gladly fund an extended break to Chernobyl for all of them
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 07, 2016, 07:55:06 AM
I keep thinking I wouldn't be too bothered if Garde left now. Then I remember that xenophobic idiot McDonald would take over.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 07, 2016, 08:11:37 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 05, 2016, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: Des Little on March 05, 2016, 07:53:39 PM
No manager with any ambition will come here. We are poisonous.

That's my take on it as well.

There's always Peter Withe, the proverbial walker over hot coals to manage us candidate......
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on March 07, 2016, 09:02:34 AM
Quote from: Risso on March 06, 2016, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 06, 2016, 07:02:31 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on March 06, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
I think Remi Garde should take whole squad on a week training camp aboard in the sun to get away from pressure as it might help to unite the team. Worth a try. It might be what we need.

Not a bad idea.

I suggest Raqqa.

They could swap tips with IS about destroying historic institutions.
There are times when amid the doom and gloom posters on here come up with gems like this. Well done sirs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on March 07, 2016, 12:08:24 PM
I see the Daily Express is reporting that Remi is on the verge of getting the sack but that he might beat beat the board to it by walking.
Talk about hedging your bets.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 07, 2016, 12:23:17 PM
No point in sacking him now, the shit thing is though if we had a bit of fight we'd have pulled away as the sides above us are gash
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on March 07, 2016, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 06, 2016, 05:40:03 PM
Remi's a broken manager now. He's done here now. He's a turd now, that needs flushing. The club has wrecked him and he was never fit for the job in the first place (there's barely a manager out the who would be to be fair).
Out of his depth. Fuck him off in May and get a fresh face in. Yes, like everyone else here I dread who that may be, but we've got to sweep the place clean and start again in the summer. There's absolutely no coming back for Garde. The players don't back him. The board have fucked him about and there's clearly a relationship beyond repair now. He's also had any shred of enthusiasm buggered out of him and he's devoid of ideas. We've pretty much turned a promising young manager, who wasn't really suited to this league, nor the task required here, into a terrible, fucking godawful manager. He's shit now. We're talking Les Reed (insert any other piss poor manager) level bad. That's not an exaggeration. Results show that. I feel for the guy, but this is a tough business and he has to go.

"Sweep the place clean" yet all you advocate is getting rid of the manager. You mean we need to get rid of 80% of the squad, most the board, and the owner right?

And the chance that happens - nil.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 07, 2016, 12:27:36 PM
there's gash and there's Villa - and this season the difference is immense
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 07, 2016, 12:32:22 PM
Does anyone know how much Garde gets paid? 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on March 07, 2016, 12:33:20 PM
If he left now, and we certainly started playing properly and getting results, it would be some indictment on the players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on March 07, 2016, 12:43:30 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 07, 2016, 12:32:22 PM
Does anyone know how much Garde gets paid?

£1.2m per annum according to reports.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 07, 2016, 12:44:02 PM
I thought he would have walked/ gone by mutual consent this am.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 07, 2016, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: Dave on March 07, 2016, 12:43:30 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 07, 2016, 12:32:22 PM
Does anyone know how much Garde gets paid?

£1.2m per annum according to reports.

How does that stand in premier league wage rankings? any idea?

What I'm trying to say is did we get him on the cheap?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on March 07, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
I think  Remy should resign if he has a bit  of dignity.
His impact on the team  was equal to zero.
He proved not be able to make a bunch of players to become a team, not able to motivate them, not able to induce them to be committed to the club and to have a correct conduct outside the pitch, not able to teach the ABC of  defensive movements. Not able to do that sort of things for which a coach is a coach.
Surely these players are crap, but after all they costed 50 mln of £ and I'de be curious to see what they could do with  a normal coach.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on March 07, 2016, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Archie on March 07, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
I think  Remy should resign if he has a bit  of dignity.
His impact on the team  was equal to zero.
He proved not be able to make a bunch of players to become a team, not able to motivate them, not able to induce them to be committed to the club and to have a correct conduct outside the pitch, not able to teach the ABC of  defensive movements. Not able to do that sort of things for which a coach is a coach.
Surely these players are crap, but after all they costed 50 mln of £ and I'de be curious to see what they could do with  a normal coach.

I have seen some crazy stuff on here but this made me chuckle
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 07, 2016, 12:59:44 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 07, 2016, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Archie on March 07, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
I think  Remy should resign if he has a bit  of dignity.
His impact on the team  was equal to zero.
He proved not be able to make a bunch of players to become a team, not able to motivate them, not able to induce them to be committed to the club and to have a correct conduct outside the pitch, not able to teach the ABC of  defensive movements. Not able to do that sort of things for which a coach is a coach.
Surely these players are crap, but after all they costed 50 mln of £ and I'de be curious to see what they could do with  a normal coach.

I have seen some crazy stuff on here but this made me chuckle

Archie's English is much batter than my Italian
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on March 07, 2016, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 07, 2016, 12:59:44 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 07, 2016, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Archie on March 07, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
I think  Remy should resign if he has a bit  of dignity.
His impact on the team  was equal to zero.
He proved not be able to make a bunch of players to become a team, not able to motivate them, not able to induce them to be committed to the club and to have a correct conduct outside the pitch, not able to teach the ABC of  defensive movements. Not able to do that sort of things for which a coach is a coach.
Surely these players are crap, but after all they costed 50 mln of £ and I'de be curious to see what they could do with  a normal coach.

I have seen some crazy stuff on here but this made me chuckle

Archie's English is much batter than my Italian

Archie's English is much better than my English.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 07, 2016, 01:15:08 PM
If I remember correctly, Archie nailed it at the start of this season and warned us that with the quality of players we were signing we were heading for trouble.
His input to any debate should be welcomed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on March 07, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
Sorry for my poor English and if I have written something wrong or some nonsense, mates.
I have litterally translated what I thought in Italian and probably I am lost in translation...

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on March 07, 2016, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Richard E on March 07, 2016, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 07, 2016, 12:59:44 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 07, 2016, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Archie on March 07, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
I think  Remy should resign if he has a bit  of dignity.
His impact on the team  was equal to zero.
He proved not be able to make a bunch of players to become a team, not able to motivate them, not able to induce them to be committed to the club and to have a correct conduct outside the pitch, not able to teach the ABC of  defensive movements. Not able to do that sort of things for which a coach is a coach.
Surely these players are crap, but after all they costed 50 mln of £ and I'de be curious to see what they could do with  a normal coach.

I have seen some crazy stuff on here but this made me chuckle

Archie's English is much batter than my Italian

Archie's English is much better than my English.

Well, you are from Tipton, bay ya.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 07, 2016, 01:18:34 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 07, 2016, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Richard E on March 07, 2016, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 07, 2016, 12:59:44 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 07, 2016, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Archie on March 07, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
I think  Remy should resign if he has a bit  of dignity.
His impact on the team  was equal to zero.
He proved not be able to make a bunch of players to become a team, not able to motivate them, not able to induce them to be committed to the club and to have a correct conduct outside the pitch, not able to teach the ABC of  defensive movements. Not able to do that sort of things for which a coach is a coach.
Surely these players are crap, but after all they costed 50 mln of £ and I'de be curious to see what they could do with  a normal coach.

I have seen some crazy stuff on here but this made me chuckle

Archie's English is much batter than my Italian

Archie's English is much better than my English.

Well, you are from Tipton, bay ya.

Yow am from Tipton, surely?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 07, 2016, 01:19:17 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 07, 2016, 12:59:44 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 07, 2016, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Archie on March 07, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
I think  Remy should resign if he has a bit  of dignity.
His impact on the team  was equal to zero.
He proved not be able to make a bunch of players to become a team, not able to motivate them, not able to induce them to be committed to the club and to have a correct conduct outside the pitch, not able to teach the ABC of  defensive movements. Not able to do that sort of things for which a coach is a coach.
Surely these players are crap, but after all they costed 50 mln of £ and I'de be curious to see what they could do with  a normal coach.

I have seen some crazy stuff on here but this made me chuckle

Archie's English is much batter than my Italian

The batter in Archie's Italian fish is to die for apparently.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on March 07, 2016, 01:20:22 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 07, 2016, 01:15:08 PM
If I remember correctly, Archie nailed it at the start of this season and warned us that with the quality of players we were signing we were heading for trouble.
His input to any debate should be welcomed.

Yes, how can you remember that? I am jealous of your memory mate.
I was particularly shocked when I heard that we had signed for the Premier League Angel Crespo, that was a reserve of my local team in the Italian Serie B.... That spoke volumes about our campaign.....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 07, 2016, 01:21:02 PM
It would have helped matters had these new players not been ostracized from the start. And clearly Richards being an English lad Sherwood signing didn't help at all and started the divide that only got wider as the season went on. Especially after Sherwood was fired. I can just imagine after the Leicester game the level of finger pointing that probably went on and crushed team spirit. It couldn't have been the stupid tactical decision that precipitated the collapse. It was dem foreign players. The rest is history.

The way this season has panned out behind the scenes I still have no idea how good the foreign players we purchased actually are, or indeed ever will be in a Villa shirt. But they will remain an easy scapegoat to explain away our failure.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on March 07, 2016, 01:24:24 PM
TBF, I think there are still one or two posters that aren't aware that English isn't Archie's first language.  All the posters on here whose first language isn't English do themselves tremendous credit as, I've never, ever had to struggle to understand the points they are making.  This site is all the better for them.  As for the Noses that come on here...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 07, 2016, 03:48:38 PM
I don't agree with everything posters like Archie or Edvard say but their written English is outstanding.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on March 07, 2016, 03:49:21 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 07, 2016, 01:18:34 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 07, 2016, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Richard E on March 07, 2016, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 07, 2016, 12:59:44 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 07, 2016, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Archie on March 07, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
I think  Remy should resign if he has a bit  of dignity.
His impact on the team  was equal to zero.
He proved not be able to make a bunch of players to become a team, not able to motivate them, not able to induce them to be committed to the club and to have a correct conduct outside the pitch, not able to teach the ABC of  defensive movements. Not able to do that sort of things for which a coach is a coach.
Surely these players are crap, but after all they costed 50 mln of £ and I'de be curious to see what they could do with  a normal coach.

I have seen some crazy stuff on here but this made me chuckle

Archie's English is much batter than my Italian

Archie's English is much better than my English.

Well, you are from Tipton, bay ya.

Yow am from Tipton, surely?

Ar.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rico on March 07, 2016, 05:10:01 PM
Good coach or not, surely one of the most important skills a football manager must possess is the ability to unite a group of individuals so that the team functions to the best of their ability. Something that Remi has spectacularly failed at. Would he do better with a different bunch of players? Possibly, but the problem is the players ain't going anywhere, therefore Remi must either resign or be sacked.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 07, 2016, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: Rico on March 07, 2016, 05:10:01 PM
Good coach or not, surely one of the most important skills a football manager must possess is the ability to unite a group of individuals so that the team functions to the best of their ability. Something that Remi has spectacularly failed at. Would he do better with a different bunch of players? Possibly, but the problem is the players ain't going anywhere, therefore Remi must either resign or be sacked.

If the players aren't going anywhere we are stuffed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on March 07, 2016, 06:09:57 PM
Tony Cascarino in todays Times:' Garde Gets It All Hopelessly Wrong' Remi Garde's managenent of Aston Villa is abysmal.  Liverpool beat Manchester City by pressing:Garde asked his side to sit off. That is not good enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on March 07, 2016, 06:12:40 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 07, 2016, 03:48:38 PM
I don't agree with everything posters like Archie or Edvard say but their written English is outstanding.

Thank you mate, and as far as i am concerned I agree with you on many things that you write.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on March 07, 2016, 06:13:16 PM
Quote from: Rico on March 07, 2016, 05:10:01 PM
Good coach or not, surely one of the most important skills a football manager must possess is the ability to unite a group of individuals so that the team functions to the best of their ability. Something that Remi has spectacularly failed at. Would he do better with a different bunch of players? Possibly, but the problem is the players ain't going anywhere, therefore Remi must either resign or be sacked.

Exactly!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 07, 2016, 06:41:36 PM
He did start to get them organised at one point. Was it 8 points from 5 games? So what went wrong after that? Why did we suddenly nose dive again? I really am on the fence here. I wonder if it might be a bit of both? These players aren't up to it, but then, neither is Remi?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 07, 2016, 06:59:26 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 07, 2016, 06:41:36 PM
He did start to get them organised at one point. Was it 8 points from 5 games? So what went wrong after that? Why did we suddenly nose dive again? I really am on the fence here. I wonder if it might be a bit of both? These players aren't up to it, but then, neither is Remi?
The players have taken their foot off the gas again. In addition we've played better quality teams since then. Palace haven't been in brilliant form lately and Norwich are as bad as we are at the moment.

It's also telling that Gabby has ended up waltzing back into the starting 11 too. Granted options are thin, but Garde really should have turfed him to the stiffs and played a kid in his place if needs be. Gabby undermines his authority. Also Garde has openly questionned his squad overall and also certain players individually, in the press. That's not going to endear himself to the players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: wozwebs on March 07, 2016, 07:15:21 PM
Could be off back to France:

Quote
Remi Garde's situation with Aston Villa is getting worse by the week, and that's quite some achievement. The club's players aren't performing for the manager, the fans, or their own sense of worth. The dismay around Villa is quick turning to a begrudging acceptance that things are likely to get even worse before they get better.

There's a growing sense of pity in France toward Garde, where it's thought he took on an impossible job, and was very wrong to do so. His ability as a manager isn't being questioned, given the reputation he built up at Lyon, but his ability to pick the right job opportunity is certainly under the microscope.

French newspaper L'Equipe have reiterated today that Garde could be set for a rather grand job in French football, if and when he leaves Aston Villa. In a feature looking at French managers who have suffered nightmares abroad, L'Equipe state Noël Le Graët, the President of the French Football Association, is eyeing Garde up for a role.

Francois Blaquart is France's current national technical director, but he's coming up for retirement, and Garde is seen as a good option.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 07, 2016, 07:22:58 PM
My hope is that the club from owner down to coaching staff go into bunker mode for the remainder of the season.  Those like Cascarino should be told to f*ck off. The only removals should be of those who actually caused this shitstorm, the players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 07, 2016, 07:27:09 PM
Yep it's the players and it has been for years. They're the one constant through this period of misery and generally it's those that speak English as their native tongue who are responsible. They need to be purged.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on March 07, 2016, 07:30:58 PM
From Dave's latest article:

Quote
But at the moment I want him to stay for one main reason – the players clearly want him out and I wouldn’t give this bunch of under-achieving no-hopers the satisfaction of knowing that they hounded out someone whose biggest crime was that he was the first man in far too long to tell them straight that their perfomances aren’t good enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 07, 2016, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 07, 2016, 06:09:57 PM
Tony Cascarino in todays Times:' Garde Gets It All Hopelessly Wrong' Remi Garde's managenent of Aston Villa is abysmal.  Liverpool beat Manchester City by pressing:Garde asked his side to sit off. That is not good enough.

I feel a bit sorry for Garde because he walked into this shitfest but let's face it he's offered precious little so far so I'm not surprised to read this kind of thing in the media.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 07, 2016, 08:46:44 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 07, 2016, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 07, 2016, 06:09:57 PM
Tony Cascarino in todays Times:' Garde Gets It All Hopelessly Wrong' Remi Garde's managenent of Aston Villa is abysmal.  Liverpool beat Manchester City by pressing:Garde asked his side to sit off. That is not good enough.

I feel a bit sorry for Garde because he walked into this shitfest but let's face it he's offered precious little so far so I'm not surprised to read this kind of thing in the media.

As someone else pointed out above, he'd started to get things moving in the right direction with a decent points return over 5 or 6 games after New Year.  I'll hazard a guess that the threat of being publicly and unceremoniously ditched by new arrivals disappearing on the 2nd Feb has wiped out what little leverage he had with tosspots like Gabby and Richards.  Unless he's got at least 50% of the dressing room he can count on he's f##ked regardless of how good a coach or man manager he is.   Having been on both sides of the fence in my professional life I can unequivocally say that you can't manage someone who's not prepared to at least try and meet you half way.

I'm not comparing him to Clough, but even someone as good as Clough was completely stitched up by a Leeds squad that had decided from before he arrived that they were going to get rid of him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 07, 2016, 08:50:13 PM
I still like him but the performances have got much worse recently. We can blame players & the board (and should) but Garde needs to take his share as well and that share is rising.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on March 07, 2016, 09:21:05 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on March 07, 2016, 08:50:13 PM
I still like him but the performances have got much worse recently. We can blame players & the board (and should) but Garde needs to take his share as well and that share is rising.

Yes well the players cant be sacked (because they are holding the club to ransom and treating the fans like mugs - it's frankly disgusting) and the board are a bunch of yes-men who just follow Lerner's orders to cut at all costs (and then escape back to the cozy boardroom & their fine houses in their rather nice cars). Garde on the other hand who certainly hasn't got it all right is an easy scapegoat - which is exactly what he is now - and I am sure it'll make some happy to see him gone. If ever there was a better example of firing the messenger...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on March 07, 2016, 09:35:54 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on March 07, 2016, 08:50:13 PM
I still like him but the performances have got much worse recently. We can blame players & the board (and should) but Garde needs to take his share as well and that share is rising.

Same for me. The responsibility for this dreadful season must be distributed, there are many culprits.
We can blame Lerner for cutting all costs but we must acknowledge that nevertheless he spent 50 mln in the last campaign. Considering that Lerner is trying and sell the club, that's not bad, in situation like ours other clubs went into adminstration.
The general director, the sporting director and the scouting chief are responsible to invest these 50 mln. £  in crap players.
On the other hand, Garde must be blamed for not improving the team since his arrival. If the squad collapses after conceding a goal, if there isn't any fighting team spirit,  if the defenders don't mark the opponents and always are in the wrong position, if we don't have any distinctive style of play, that's a managerial responsibility.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 07, 2016, 10:26:00 PM
I agree with Archie. This is a systemic problem of which Remi is a part. Not his players, poor recruitment, lack of backing, disinterested owner, players with attitude and so on and so on. I just hope that this is all a part of the Steve Hollis brief to get it sorted and begin to rebuild the terrible reputation that the club now has. I think, once heads have rolled at the end of the season, including one or two of the players, only then can we begin to move forward.  However, I dread another cheapskate managerial appointment. Only 30% bounce straight back into the Premier League, we simply have to get this one right.  For me, despite the systemic issues above, Remi doesn't show me that he has enough in his locker. You will always have players who don't bust a gut and cliques in the dressing room. He has to manage it, not show that famous Gallic shrug.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on March 07, 2016, 10:50:26 PM
The co-commentator on Saturday said that it does not matter what defensive system you play, if players are not willing to pick players up or make an attempt to get to the ball first, it is not going to make any difference.

Cascarino's comment about standing off is not the manager's idea, it is down to Agbonlahor.  Ayew tries to close players down Sinclair when he comes on tries to close players down and even Gested was trying, so it is not a tactic.  Add in Westwood who is just trying to hide now and you can see why Gana visibly gave up with about 10 minutes to go.  He must have been thinking "why the f*** should I run my b******* off with these lazy b******* around me".  To his credit, he pulled himself out of it and dragged himself back into the game for the last 5 minutes or so.

Having improved since the new year, our slide back coincided with Ayew's suspension and Gabby coming back into the team.  Also, Hutton alongside Richards has coincided with us the shambles over the last two matches.  Before that (Liverpool aside), the defence had been playing far better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 08, 2016, 07:11:27 AM
If you believe the latest reports Remi is set to stay on in a different role of Technical Director. Strike that it's for France.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 08, 2016, 07:16:16 AM
that's a bit like being the engineering director of Lada in the 1970s given the limited talents of our squad. He'll be on the first plane out of the country come the end of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 08, 2016, 07:22:53 AM
Ha! didn't read the for France bit!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 08, 2016, 08:16:14 AM
I wonder if they're going to to do some symbolic sacking of him once we're mathematically certain to go down because if they thought we had a hope of staying up, they'd have sacked him after the last line of results. Wouldn't put it past those weasels to try and shift the whole disaster on to his shoulders
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 08, 2016, 09:29:28 AM
Bottom line is that we have a shit owner with a shit board, shit players and a shit manager. Every aspect of the club is second rate except the support.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MarkM on March 08, 2016, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 08, 2016, 09:29:28 AM
Bottom line is that we have a shit owner with a shit board, shit players and a shit manager. Every aspect of the club is second rate except the support.

Can't disagree with this
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on March 08, 2016, 09:35:12 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 08, 2016, 09:29:28 AM
Bottom line is that we have a shit owner with a shit board, shit players and a shit manager. Every aspect of the club is second rate except the support.

Sad but true.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Allan C on March 08, 2016, 09:40:01 AM
I can't understand why we mostly agree that the team is the worst ever and in my opinion not one of them Premier league class, yet getting rid of RG and appointing someone else will change things??? They are useless and no one will change that simple fact. I fear we are stuck with them too cos who will buy any of them ???
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 08, 2016, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: Allan C on March 08, 2016, 09:40:01 AM
I can't understand why we mostly agree that the team is the worst ever and in my opinion not one of them Premier league class, yet getting rid of RG and appointing someone else will change things??? They are useless and no one will change that simple fact. I fear we are stuck with them too cos who will buy any of them ???

I can't think of any other manager who would publicly announce that his team isn't the one he would pick if he had the choice. Tell someone they're shit and then expect them to jump through hoops for you? It is a shit team, but I honestly reckon that I could have got more points out of them than Garde has. I could sit in a press conference with a smacked arse for a face, moaning about the hand I've been dealt but I wouldn't expect that to motivate anyone other than the oppoosition
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Hoppo on March 08, 2016, 09:48:15 AM
100% agree Chico..
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 08, 2016, 09:53:54 AM
He's not done a great job so far, but I'd be interested to see what he could do with a group of players who actually wanted to play for him and for the club.

Things were looking vaguely promising before he seemingly got shafted in January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on March 08, 2016, 10:03:32 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on March 08, 2016, 09:53:54 AM
He's not done a great job so far, but I'd be interested to see what he could do with a group of players who actually wanted to play for him and for the club.

Surely it is part of his remit to motivate the players so they want to play for him and the club?

That's not to say that he's the one to blame for the likes of Richards and Agbonlahor being lazy shitehawks, but I don't believe that it is impossible to make a bunch of professional footballers want to play football.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 08, 2016, 10:23:53 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 08, 2016, 09:44:43 AM
Quote from: Allan C on March 08, 2016, 09:40:01 AM
I can't understand why we mostly agree that the team is the worst ever and in my opinion not one of them Premier league class, yet getting rid of RG and appointing someone else will change things??? They are useless and no one will change that simple fact. I fear we are stuck with them too cos who will buy any of them ???

I can't think of any other manager who would publicly announce that his team isn't the one he would pick if he had the choice. Tell someone they're shit and then expect them to jump through hoops for you? It is a shit team, but I honestly reckon that I could have got more points out of them than Garde has. I could sit in a press conference with a smacked arse for a face, moaning about the hand I've been dealt but I wouldn't expect that to motivate anyone other than the oppoosition

Precisely, if this is all he's going to do then what is the point in him being here? Can anyone see there being a gigantic overhaul of the playing squad in the summer? If there's not going to be then Garde has already shown he can't get a tune from them, they aren't playing for him and has publicly called them shite, so next season will be no better. If there's no plan to remove a huge chunk of the squad then Garde is just a place holder right now because his position is untenable next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Archie on March 08, 2016, 10:25:33 AM
Quote from: Allan C on March 08, 2016, 09:40:01 AM
I can't understand why we mostly agree that the team is the worst ever and in my opinion not one of them Premier league class, yet getting rid of RG and appointing someone else will change things??? They are useless and no one will change that simple fact. I fear we are stuck with them too cos who will buy any of them ???

Not sure that the players are so bad. Ayew, Guana, Veretout, Amavi, Traorè had a good reputation in their Countries and after all last campaign costed 50 min. £. But they don't work as a team.This is the reason why I am convinced that things could be different with another - and good - manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 08, 2016, 10:42:29 AM
I spoke to my Baggie mate this morning and we had the usual banter then he actually said all joking aside mate your players are a joke. they look uninterested and are clearly not trying, if he can see it then it's obviously more blantat than we feel it is
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on March 08, 2016, 10:52:23 AM
Quote from: Newby on March 07, 2016, 06:41:36 PM
He did start to get them organised at one point. Was it 8 points from 5 games? So what went wrong after that? Why did we suddenly nose dive again? I really am on the fence here. I wonder if it might be a bit of both? These players aren't up to it, but then, neither is Remi?

I think once it became obvious that the board had given up following the non-event that was the transfer window, the players also subsequently gave up
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 08, 2016, 10:55:18 AM
He seriously needs to stop fucking playing them then.  I'm not advocating pulling the entire first team, but we seem to have a split between players who just aren't very good (Gestede, Westwood, Gana etc) and the absolutely poisonous tossers like Richards, Lescott and Agbonlahor, who also happen to be shit.

This would be the team I'd pick at the moment, with all other things like injuries being equal:

Bunn
Hutton Okore Clark Cissokho
Gil Gana Veretout Sinclair
Ayew Gestede

It probably won't win many matches, but at least it would provide a bit of width and get some balls in for Gestede to get on the end of, with Ayew looking for knocks downs.  Then fill the bench with kids if need be.  Hopefully at least the above would put effort in, and would show the likes of Agbonlahor and Richards that they and their terrible attitudes aren't required any more.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Allan C on March 08, 2016, 11:18:45 AM
Thats my point. Look at that team. It makes me want to cry. I fear that team will see us struggling in the championship let alone the premiership. I'm glad that RG called them out too. It's fact and we would all be on his back if he tried to imply that there was hope for this lot. Shockingly poor players in my opinion considering where we were 6 years ago
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 08, 2016, 11:41:57 AM
I can imagine someone telling us that they were all "excellent".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on March 08, 2016, 11:58:14 AM
As long as we have even a small number of the following players we will struggle

Guzan
Clark
Richards
Richardson
Agbonalhor
Lescott
Hutton
Bacuna
Westwood

All of them need binning. No lets, no give so and so a chance. They either are inadequate, have had too many poor performances in losing team or worse have a poor attitude.

Get any pennies we can and pay off the rest of them.

It doesn't matter who the manager or coach is, they all need to be binned. Little got rid of lots of players in his first 6 months in charge and most of them were miles better than that bunch listed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 08, 2016, 11:59:25 AM
If the actual inferiority of the squad were to be tested scientifically you would need a "control" with which to measure it.

I suggest that control is Alan Hutton.  When he first came to us, our last Premiership signing I believe, he was universally regarded as a poor player.  Many in these pages went so far as to say he was among the worst Villa player's they had ever seen.

Now, he is rightly regarded as one of our best players, not skillful or of good technique but an honest tryer who puts in a shift.

He has not changed since he joined us.  He has always been an honest tryer who does his best.  What has changed us that the rest of the squad is so unspeakably bad and idle that Alan Hutton looks good.  That is how bad a group of players Remi Garde has got to pick a team from.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 08, 2016, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on March 08, 2016, 11:58:14 AM
As long as we have even a small number of the following players we will struggle

Guzan
Clark
Richards
Richardson
Agbonalhor
Lescott
Hutton
Bacuna
Westwood

All of them need binning. No lets, no give so and so a chance. They either are inadequate, have had too many poor performances in losing team or worse have a poor attitude.

Get any pennies we can and pay off the rest of them.

It doesn't matter who the manager or coach is, they all need to be binned. Little got rid of lots of players in his first 6 months in charge and most of them were miles better than that bunch listed.

That looks the kind of team that moron Mcdonald would pick.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 08, 2016, 12:03:45 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 08, 2016, 11:59:25 AM
If the actual inferiority of the squad were to be tested scientifically you would need a "control" with which to measure it.

I suggest that control is Alan Hutton.  When he first came to us, our last Premiership signing I believe, he was universally regarded as a poor player.  Many in these pages went so far as to say he was among the worst Villa player's they had ever seen.

Now, he is rightly regarded as one of our best players, not skillful or of good technique but an honest tryer who puts in a shift.

He has not changed since he joined us.  He has always been an honest tryer who does his best.  What has changed us that the rest of the squad is so unspeakably bad and idle that Alan Hutton looks good.  That is how bad a group of players Remi Garde has got to pick a team from.

As I said to my mate the other day, you always know we are in a really bad run of form when Hutton starts standing out as our man of the match every week. I completely agree that he should be the gauge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Jimbo on March 08, 2016, 12:05:47 PM
The majority of our senior players act irresponsibly, hide, go missing, refuse to be accountable, deflect blame and show zero regard for the club. Remind you of anyone?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ZhongYi on March 08, 2016, 12:06:34 PM
what seems to have been a tad glossed over is that a large factor in his appointment according to the media, was to get the French guys more settled in and playing. What seems to have happened in actual fact is Jozef Venglos mark 2.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on March 08, 2016, 12:09:58 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 08, 2016, 09:29:28 AM
Bottom line is that we have a shit owner with a shit board, shit players and a shit manager. Every aspect of the club is second rate except the support.

 Unfortunately that is the crux of it.That lethal combination is why we are in free fall.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on March 08, 2016, 12:16:26 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 08, 2016, 11:59:25 AM
If the actual inferiority of the squad were to be tested scientifically you would need a "control" with which to measure it.

I suggest that control is Alan Hutton.  When he first came to us, our last Premiership signing I believe, he was universally regarded as a poor player.

Wouldn't Lescott and Richards be our last signings from within the Premier League*?

*unless you mean our last signing who had ever played in the Premiership, in which case he might well be from his time at Rangers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 08, 2016, 12:50:21 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-11006585?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on March 08, 2016, 02:38:27 PM
I did want Garde to stay but I think after January the writing was on the wall, and the way he's spoken and acted since shows he's a man who expects a parting of ways in the summer. I'm dreading that grade A bellend Nigel Pearson walking through the door next.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 08, 2016, 03:08:46 PM
Gone today I reckon
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: in exile on March 08, 2016, 03:10:03 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 08, 2016, 03:08:46 PM
Gone today I reckon
What makes you think it will be today?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 08, 2016, 03:47:24 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 08, 2016, 12:50:21 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-11006585?

Poor Remi. It must have been quite a shock to realise he hadn't taken over at Real Madrid like he seemed to have thought.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 09, 2016, 12:42:08 AM
Load of faff really. We must have about 1000 games of premiership experience in the squad. You don't survive that long  in the top league if all of your players are total crap quality wise.

Either they're

a) Past it - not Garde's fault
b)Won't play for him - Not Garde's fault but his problem
c)Don't respond to him or understand his tactics - Garde's fault
d)he's not very good

My guess is a liitle bit of all of them
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 09, 2016, 05:39:49 AM
The level of performance returning to unacceptable level, I believe was linked with no new players, but something you mention before Old Man VF, Hutton alongside Richards, this is only happening after a change in the formation, with us going 3 at the back (5 really) with two wing backs and it has not been a huge success, that has been Gardes decisions no one else's.

As for the inclusion again the manager’s decision, he may not have had many options, but if I was him and the only option was Gabby, let alone based on his performance level, but the aggravation it is believed he is causing, I am sorry but a 16, 17 year old or whatever would have been my preferred choice.

You should not moan about performance levels whether that be on the pitch or in training and then go and pick them every week, you may not be able to lance all of the boils, but if you lance the biggest one you may just get your message out there.

I do not believe Garde has acted forcefully enough and by that has allowed the cretins that are trying to undermine him even more power
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: conman on March 09, 2016, 01:21:13 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 08, 2016, 12:06:34 PM
what seems to have been a tad glossed over is that a large factor in his appointment according to the media, was to get the French guys more settled in and playing. What seems to have happened in actual fact is Jozef Venglos mark 2.
even our French players have got worse under garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 09, 2016, 02:16:22 PM
Quote from: conman on March 09, 2016, 01:21:13 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 08, 2016, 12:06:34 PM
what seems to have been a tad glossed over is that a large factor in his appointment according to the media, was to get the French guys more settled in and playing. What seems to have happened in actual fact is Jozef Venglos mark 2.
even our French players have got worse under garde

I'm not sure that's true at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2016, 12:15:29 AM
I really respect Remi for these comments.

Villa signed 11 new players last summer, while a number of others are on long-term deals.

And Garde said: “I think they are aware when you have a contract, you are linked to the club.

“You cannot think you are well paid when you are under contract, but when it is a nice time for you you forget the contract.

“Everybody has a contract. Everybody will have to respect that.

“This is a not a discussion I have with my players but they are not coming from another planet. They are aware of football rules.”

Asked about whether players had sufficient motivation for the battle ahead, he replied: “Hopefully, yes. I’m not in every brain of the players that I manage. I don’t know exactly what is their position.


Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2016/03/11/aston-villas-remi-garde-no-space-for-weak-players/?#UA0v9A16iEyueQRJ.99
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 12, 2016, 12:44:12 AM
I really hope he stays.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 12, 2016, 01:13:45 AM
It's stuff like that which makes me want him to stay and succeed. It's why I don't think he'll quit, why the likes of Fox will be canned, and why Hollis has made the recent appointments. I also don't think Randy wants to fire another manager so unless Garde walks away then he'll be manager next season. They are putting smart people at the club to deal with the manager who is also an intelligent man. He said today he has offered his thoughts on the path forward. Let's hope some of these recent moves are being made based on those conversations and to convince him that they are going to support him in the rebuilding of Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 07:52:50 AM
i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on March 12, 2016, 09:39:46 AM
Woods and trees.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2016, 10:41:09 AM
I'd like to see Garde get next season.

It's almost disingenuous to say 2 wins in half a season (which I'd  agree is desperate) but on the other hand bemoan that this is the worst squad in 140 years of history.

I think it also ignores the Norwich-Liverpool gap where something must have happened for the team to surrender as they did. There are a core of players who are entirely parasticial and it's not just wages they drain but also the intangible elements necessary in a team; spirit, élan, unity, mental grit etc.

They have corroded at the coffers and the aspirations of a number of previous managers.

Now Garde sits with the remnants of O'Neill, McLiesh, Lambert and Sherwood era players, some of whom contribute zero and drain 5% of the wage budget. How can a manager make  silk purse out of such a disparate group of ideas and personalities? You're supposed to blend a squad together, where quality is important but also the fit of the player too. We don't have that. We have Gabby, N'Zogbia, Guzan, Young and Hungry/Cheap and Crap, French players in their first season, Old and Past Its; what a fudge.

Throw all that onto the most dire of circumstances in November with there being no confidence and it's a miracle he stopped the bleeding at all, before the infection that is the likes of Westwood, Bacuna, Gabby and Richards tore the wound open again.

And then the ultimate insult; he wasnt backed in January. When you think of the importance of a manager having their own players, you think of the role Garde himself played in helping Wenger revolutionise Arsenal's thinking. He's been denied that presence in his own dressing room.

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.

How do you judge a manager, in the context of that? The football equivalent of Berlin in April 1945 and say with a straight face that 2 in 18 and it's a simple as that?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 07:52:50 AM
i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 12, 2016, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: Ads on March 12, 2016, 10:41:09 AM
I'd like to see Garde get next season.

It's almost disingenuous to say 2 wins in half a season (which I'd  agree is desperate) but on the other hand bemoan that this is the worst squad in 140 years of history.

I think it also ignores the Norwich-Liverpool gap where something must have happened for the team to surrender as they did. There are a core of players who are entirely parasticial and it's not just wages they drain but also the intangible elements necessary in a team; spirit, élan, unity, mental grit etc.

They have corroded at the coffers and the aspirations of a number of previous managers.

Now Garde sits with the remnants of O'Neill, McLiesh, Lambert and Sherwood era players, some of whom contribute zero and drain 5% of the wage budget. How can a manager make  silk purse out of such a disparate group of ideas and personalities? You're supposed to blend a squad together, where quality is important but also the fit of the player too. We don't have that. We have Gabby, N'Zogbia, Guzan, Young and Hungry/Cheap and Crap, French players in their first season, Old and Past Its; what a fudge.

Throw all that onto the most dire of circumstances in November with there being no confidence and it's a miracle he stopped the bleeding at all, before the infection that is the likes of Westwood, Bacuna, Gabby and Richards tore the wound open again.

And then the ultimate insult; he wasnt backed in January. When you think of the importance of a manager having their own players, you think of the role Garde himself played in helping Wenger revolutionise Arsenal's thinking. He's been denied that presence in his own dressing room.

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.

How do you judge a manager, in the context of that? The football equivalent of Berlin in April 1945 and say with a straight face that 2 in 18 and it's a simple as that?


Excellent summary and I agree whole heartedly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brontebilly on March 12, 2016, 12:01:05 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 12, 2016, 10:41:09 AM
I'd like to see Garde get next season.

It's almost disingenuous to say 2 wins in half a season (which I'd  agree is desperate) but on the other hand bemoan that this is the worst squad in 140 years of history.

I think it also ignores the Norwich-Liverpool gap where something must have happened for the team to surrender as they did. There are a core of players who are entirely parasticial and it's not just wages they drain but also the intangible elements necessary in a team; spirit, élan, unity, mental grit etc.

They have corroded at the coffers and the aspirations of a number of previous managers.

Now Garde sits with the remnants of O'Neill, McLiesh, Lambert and Sherwood era players, some of whom contribute zero and drain 5% of the wage budget. How can a manager make  silk purse out of such a disparate group of ideas and personalities? You're supposed to blend a squad together, where quality is important but also the fit of the player too. We don't have that. We have Gabby, N'Zogbia, Guzan, Young and Hungry/Cheap and Crap, French players in their first season, Old and Past Its; what a fudge.

Throw all that onto the most dire of circumstances in November with there being no confidence and it's a miracle he stopped the bleeding at all, before the infection that is the likes of Westwood, Bacuna, Gabby and Richards tore the wound open again.

And then the ultimate insult; he wasnt backed in January. When you think of the importance of a manager having their own players, you think of the role Garde himself played in helping Wenger revolutionise Arsenal's thinking. He's been denied that presence in his own dressing room.

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.

How do you judge a manager, in the context of that? The football equivalent of Berlin in April 1945 and say with a straight face that 2 in 18 and it's a simple as that?

taped to the desk? you make it sound like he is a coal miner in communist Russia

He is an incredibly well paid football manager that results are showing is doing a very poor job, regardless of the constraints

Garde could have left in Jan when it became clear that the board had given up on him and the club's efforts to stay in the division

Yet he stayed, evidently content to pick up his wages for little effort, like the players he castigates on a weekly basis.

I liked Garde no nonsense style when he came in and hoped it would work out.

But as every manager knows, even Mourinho this year, if you start openly castigating the "senior players" in your dressing room, then there generally is only one winner.

Without funds to replace the likes of Gabby, Richards and Guzan, Garde first tried to replace them with the likes of Bunn, Hutton, Bacuna, Kozak, Gestede etc. But he quickly realised they were crap too. Injuries ruled out other options so he has been forced to go back with to those he ran out of the first team early on.

So we are left with a non trying manager and non trying players.

Proud history, bright future I think
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 07:52:50 AM
i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?

dont say anything then

he has a worse record than mcneill yet is absolved from blame and is the man to get us out of the championship

heaven help us
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 12:20:43 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 07:52:50 AM
i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?

dont say anything then

he has a worse record than mcneill yet is absolved from blame and is the man to get us out of the championship

heaven help us

It's a bit hard not to speak at a press conference.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 12, 2016, 12:21:47 PM
The squad was was a busted flush before he arrived. I'd keep Remi because he wants to change it. That's the only way it's going to get better. Nobody's going to prove themselves either way with these players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 12:20:43 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 07:52:50 AM
i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?

dont say anything then

he has a worse record than mcneill yet is absolved from blame and is the man to get us out of the championship

heaven help us

It's a bit hard not to speak at a press conference.

if you are going to critisize players dont do it at a press conerence do it behind closed doors

beause then when it unsurprisgly goes tits up and said players still get picked, sulk, dont try and we get battered it makes you look stupid
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 12, 2016, 12:39:12 PM
If Garde stays, the board are going to have to back him and allow him to get rid of the players who need shifting and bring in his own players. If he gets that backing, and stays, then I am all for it.  However, I also fully understand what others are saying as he doesn't seem to be able to motivate players.  Do we stick with Garde and potentially spend an extra season in the Championship in the hope that he gets the backing and gets it right, or do we go out and get someone who knows that league and has something of a track record? Tough choice, I am happy either way.  That said, Garde has to hit the ground running if he stays, get the crap players gone and start to build the faith and confidence of his own squad.  FWIW, I haven't seen anything in Garde as yet that tells me he has the nuts for the rebuild, especially given that this will be at the at the lower level of the Championship, a league he will have little knowledge of, one would think.  However, I am happy to back him as long as the board don't dither for too long if he doesn't come up with the goods.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2016, 12:39:40 PM
You misunderstood the metaphor. If you don't like the hand, flip the table over. He couldn't, because his hands were tied as nobody was willing to back him in the transfer market. The only solution is to cut out the malignant  elements. That should have started in January and it's a scandal that we didn't and simply surrendered.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 01:09:02 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 12:20:43 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 07:52:50 AM
i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?

dont say anything then

he has a worse record than mcneill yet is absolved from blame and is the man to get us out of the championship

heaven help us

It's a bit hard not to speak at a press conference.

if you are going to critisize players dont do it at a press conerence do it behind closed doors

beause then when it unsurprisgly goes tits up and said players still get picked, sulk, dont try and we get battered it makes you look stupid

You changed the argument slightly although I do agree on that. He's not wrong though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on March 12, 2016, 01:35:54 PM
Call me naive but, Remi Garde by his own admission tried to sign players during the January window.  They didn't arrive due to the reasons he has given, that's not his fault.

I offer the suggestion that he was told by Hollis to keep his powder dry and try to make the proverbial silk purse.  He then may have been told of the future plans regarding the restructuring of the board and the incoming personnel. 

Now that has happened; he could have then been promised a transfer kitty of sorts for the summer, and his demeanour over the last few days suggests that he's heard something that he's happy with.

I don't feel qualified to argue in depth because of my irregular attendances but I was at the Burnley game on the final day last season and the again for the Watford match in November and there was a definite improvement in the style of play and application.  I could actually see what they were trying to do.

I hope a decision is made by both parties that sees Remi Garde given the opportunity to begin another Renaissance.  Looking at some of the alternatives: Billy Davies, Nigel Pearson,  Tiny et al, sends a shudder through me of seismic proportions.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 12, 2016, 01:47:31 PM
His comments about having offered his opinions as part of the inquiry being conducted at the club fill me with hope. Because hopefully he is being included in the solution.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 12, 2016, 01:53:13 PM
I agree with Ads summation 100%.  If he goes our aspirational bar gets lowered again to wanting to be as good as the Albion.  We will get a Steve Bruce or a Billy Davies and the stats will improve.  I personally hate the idea of a Davies or a Bruce or a Pearson or a McClaren or a Warnock.  I want to see long term planning for the future.  The past is gone and cannot be changed.  The future cannot be one of the board and the players chewing up a manager and spitting him out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 12, 2016, 10:41:09 AM

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.


Not a diss, respect your post. But to compare the situation to 2 other disastrous seasons in post 82 timeline: well, McNeill and Venglos had to manage another person's players for a season (albeit 6 games McNeill) and Doug at his point of ultra-super austerity only sanctioned one signing for each respective manager - Warren Aspinall and Gary Penrice, yet they were not the manager's signings they were Doug Ellis'. In the case of McNeill, whilst being the biggest tosser ever to set foot in the Villa Manager's office, he did record more than 2 league wins that season. And he had a bounce effect as well.

Read it somewhere lately that Garde is over using the "its not my squad" argument to hide behind his own failings. And Tony Cascarino is spot on as well with what he says. So Worse hand dealt or not, if he, Garde stays as manager of Aston Villa he will be out the door by October/ November next season in the same way the likes of "OGS" at Cardiff and Felix Magathe at Fulham were.

Villa should not have appointed Remi Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on March 12, 2016, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 12, 2016, 01:53:13 PM
I agree with Ads summation 100%.  If he goes our aspirational bar gets lowered again to wanting to be as good as the Albion.  We will get a Steve Bruce or a Billy Davies and the stats will improve.  I personally hate the idea of a Davies or a Bruce or a Pearson or a McClaren or a Warnock.  I want to see long term planning for the future.  The past is gone and cannot be changed.  The future cannot be one of the board and the players chewing up a manager and spitting him out.

Well said, Brian.  I also agree with you on Ads excellent post.

We have to try and get some stability.  There are very few British managers that can build a squad based on youth and limited financial resources.  Possibly because most have gone straight to management, without climbing the ladder through the levels of coaching.  I believe that Garde has been through the right apprenticeship to know what is required.  I would trust him to build the respect and confidence of the players in him by allowing to ditch the dregs that have been left at the club from previous managers.

 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 12, 2016, 03:46:41 PM
So it's a vote for Pulis from you then Zhong?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Brian Taylor on March 12, 2016, 03:54:42 PM
Remi
Aminnu Umar. Nigeeian. Get this lad. Spectacular goal scorer. English speaking. Better than benteke. Plays in Ankara Turkey for osmanlispor. Swop anyone for him. Two French speaking player also. Very entertaining 2-3 away win today.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Brian Taylor on March 12, 2016, 03:55:06 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aminu_Umar
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on March 12, 2016, 04:05:57 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 12, 2016, 10:41:09 AM

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.


Not a diss, respect your post. But to compare the situation to 2 other disastrous seasons in post 82 timeline: well, McNeill and Venglos had to manage another person's players for a season (albeit 6 games McNeill) and Doug at his point of ultra-super austerity only sanctioned one signing for each respective manager - Warren Aspinall and Gary Penrice, yet they were not the manager's signings they were Doug Ellis'. In the case of McNeill, whilst being the biggest tosser ever to set foot in the Villa Manager's office, he did record more than 2 league wins that season. And he had a bounce effect as well.

Read it somewhere lately that Garde is over using the "its not my squad" argument to hide behind his own failings. And Tony Cascarino is spot on as well with what he says. So Worse hand dealt or not, if he, Garde stays as manager of Aston Villa he will be out the door by October/ November next season in the same way the likes of "OGS" at Cardiff and Felix Magathe at Fulham were.

Villa should not have appointed Remi Garde.

If Garde did have an awful start in the championship he would obviously be under pressure. However may I just say Tony Cascarino is an absolute idiot (there that's are me feel better).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 04:07:39 PM
no Brian. No not a vote from me for Tony Pulis. That would compound the small time mentality that has beseiged the image of Aston Villa in the public perception since they brought in Alex McLeish.

To put it into perspective, if Newcastle with an owner like Mike Ashley can appoint Rafa Benitez then surely in god's name Villa can do something like that? That is the kind of calibre of a manager Villa should be going for not the likes of Pearson, Grayson, Southgate even McLaren which all of whom will probably be in the hiring line soon.

Rafa would have taken the Villa job but they baulked at his request for a 40m kitty or something like that.

Anyway, its a no to Pulis to answer your question.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 04:10:14 PM
Quote from: Diablo on March 12, 2016, 04:05:57 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 12, 2016, 10:41:09 AM

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.


Not a diss, respect your post. But to compare the situation to 2 other disastrous seasons in post 82 timeline: well, McNeill and Venglos had to manage another person's players for a season (albeit 6 games McNeill) and Doug at his point of ultra-super austerity only sanctioned one signing for each respective manager - Warren Aspinall and Gary Penrice, yet they were not the manager's signings they were Doug Ellis'. In the case of McNeill, whilst being the biggest tosser ever to set foot in the Villa Manager's office, he did record more than 2 league wins that season. And he had a bounce effect as well.

Read it somewhere lately that Garde is over using the "its not my squad" argument to hide behind his own failings. And Tony Cascarino is spot on as well with what he says. So Worse hand dealt or not, if he, Garde stays as manager of Aston Villa he will be out the door by October/ November next season in the same way the likes of "OGS" at Cardiff and Felix Magathe at Fulham were.

Villa should not have appointed Remi Garde.

If Garde did have an awful start in the championship he would obviously be under pressure. However may I just say Tony Cascarino is an absolute idiot (there that's are me feel better).

yeah but he got it right when he was the first so called media pundot to call out Benitez as the man to sort out Chelsea who went on to win the Europa league that season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 12, 2016, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 12:20:43 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 07:52:50 AM
i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?

dont say anything then

he has a worse record than mcneill yet is absolved from blame and is the man to get us out of the championship

heaven help us

It's a bit hard not to speak at a press conference.

if you are going to critisize players dont do it at a press conerence do it behind closed doors

beause then when it unsurprisgly goes tits up and said players still get picked, sulk, dont try and we get battered it makes you look stupid

I liked him because I thought he was intelligent. Then he stupidly re-enacted Houllier's idiocy in castigating players he has to rely on. Expose them as the wankers they undoubtedly are when you can get rid of them, not when you're stuck with them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on March 12, 2016, 04:30:40 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 04:10:14 PM
Quote from: Diablo on March 12, 2016, 04:05:57 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 12, 2016, 10:41:09 AM

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.


Not a diss, respect your post. But to compare the situation to 2 other disastrous seasons in post 82 timeline: well, McNeill and Venglos had to manage another person's players for a season (albeit 6 games McNeill) and Doug at his point of ultra-super austerity only sanctioned one signing for each respective manager - Warren Aspinall and Gary Penrice, yet they were not the manager's signings they were Doug Ellis'. In the case of McNeill, whilst being the biggest tosser ever to set foot in the Villa Manager's office, he did record more than 2 league wins that season. And he had a bounce effect as well.

Read it somewhere lately that Garde is over using the "its not my squad" argument to hide behind his own failings. And Tony Cascarino is spot on as well with what he says. So Worse hand dealt or not, if he, Garde stays as manager of Aston Villa he will be out the door by October/ November next season in the same way the likes of "OGS" at Cardiff and Felix Magathe at Fulham were.

Villa should not have appointed Remi Garde.

If Garde did have an awful start in the championship he would obviously be under pressure. However may I just say Tony Cascarino is an absolute idiot (there that's are me feel better).

yeah but he got it right when he was the first so called media pundot to call out Benitez as the man to sort out Chelsea who went on to win the Europa league that season.

I didn't know that fair play. But rather than Cascarino being a soothsayer with mystic powers I'd think it was more probable that he was given a tip off with his Chelsea connections prior to the Benitez appointment. Good shout though Benitez did a great job at Chelsea under difficult circumstances. I take comfort in the fact that even a stopped clock is right twice a day ;-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 01:09:02 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 12:20:43 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 12, 2016, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 07:52:50 AM
i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?

dont say anything then

he has a worse record than mcneill yet is absolved from blame and is the man to get us out of the championship

heaven help us

It's a bit hard not to speak at a press conference.

if you are going to critisize players dont do it at a press conerence do it behind closed doors

beause then when it unsurprisgly goes tits up and said players still get picked, sulk, dont try and we get battered it makes you look stupid

You changed the argument slightly although I do agree on that. He's not wrong though.

totally agree with you

its a bit like a poor performer at work, bollock them on their own and not in the middle of the office in front of 50 people.

if you call them out then you have to back it up with dropping them.

onwards and upwards!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 12, 2016, 04:45:32 PM
I can't see how getting a new manager in changes anything on the pitch. The squad has been crap for a long time now under 2 different managers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 12, 2016, 04:51:09 PM
The club to me, for the last five years, has looked like a school with no teachers. It just bobs along, nobody in control, the players doing what they like.

That lack of leadership starts right at the top.

I would give garde a season to see what he can do, it is tough judging him against the cluster fuck of this season. I want to see him move on some of the utter shit we have now, and bring in some of his own choice.

He has made mistakes too, obviously, but I'd rather see what he can do than resort to someone like Pearson - I see his name come up here and I think some of us must hate ourselves for wanting him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
@Diablo yeah well maybe Cas does have some kind of mystic powers, he was signed by Millwall for a set of trackuits and some corrigated iron and went on to play for Villa, Celtic, Marseille and Chelsea. Not to mention a World Cup Quarter Final with Ireland. He may not be everyone's favourite Villain but when he comes out with what are occasional printed media statements concerning football clubs he is usually not far wrong.

And I am not a fan either but he was good value alongside Patrick Kinghorn.

anyway, respect man. my original reason for contributing to the debate was cos i disagree with the "its not my squad" argument that seems to be coming from Villa Park as a viable excuse. Remi Garde was hired in the main to unite the dressing room and by all accounts he hasn't and any grand olde football club with any proper self respect does not/should not retain a manager that gets you relegated.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on March 12, 2016, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
@Diablo yeah well maybe Cas does have some kind of mystic powers, he was signed by Millwall for a set of trackuits and some corrigated iron and went on to play for Villa, Celtic, Marseille and Chelsea. Not to mention a World Cup Quarter Final with Ireland. He may not be everyone's favourite Villain but when he comes out with what are occasional printed media statements concerning football clubs he is usually not far wrong.

And I am not a fan either but he was good value alongside Patrick Kinghorn.

anyway, respect man. my original reason for contributing to the debate was cos i disagree with the "its not my squad" argument that seems to be coming from Villa Park as a viable excuse. Remi Garde was hired in the main to unite the dressing room and by all accounts he hasn't and any grand olde football club with any proper self respect does not/should not retain a manager that gets you relegated.

I thought Garde was brought in to get the best value out of the players brought in during the summer, especially those from France.  The first thing was to get them into the team.  I do not remember any specific mention about uniting the dressing room.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 12, 2016, 05:11:09 PM
I find it quite disconcerting when discussing Remi and the argument that he 'should be given a year to see what he can do with his won players'.
Firstly, he has done nothing to warrant such faith. He will have had the best part of 2 thirds of a season by May, and a couple of wins in that time, is a disgustingly poor return in that time.
Yes, we all know the squad is piss poor, crap attitudes and all that, but a couple of wins in all that time? Come on.
Not only are the results disgraceful, the approach and performances are beyond dire.
There has been no variation in our play, every game is approached the same, pretty much every game is a carbon copy of the previous one, with the only vacation being the number of goals conceded.
Secondly, I don't believe he will get 'his own team'.
We will undoubtably lose a few players, we will undoubtedly sign a few.
But, I will bet that the vast majority of what we have now, will form the basis of our squad next season.
The problem is, he doesn't believe in them, and they don't believe in him.
I do like him. He is articulate, intelligent and dignified.
But, being a nice talker is not enough.

I think it will best all round if he leaves.
And if he does go, why should that automatically mean Pearson, Pulis or Bruce?
One would hope that a new board might be a bit more savvy than that.

And my 'pie in the sky' dream would be to go for Eddie Howe.
Break the bank for him, make him an offer he cannot refuse.
As I said before, Aston Villa in the Championship is 1000 times bigger that Bournemouth in the prem.




Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on March 12, 2016, 05:12:22 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on March 12, 2016, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
@Diablo yeah well maybe Cas does have some kind of mystic powers, he was signed by Millwall for a set of trackuits and some corrigated iron and went on to play for Villa, Celtic, Marseille and Chelsea. Not to mention a World Cup Quarter Final with Ireland. He may not be everyone's favourite Villain but when he comes out with what are occasional printed media statements concerning football clubs he is usually not far wrong.

And I am not a fan either but he was good value alongside Patrick Kinghorn.

anyway, respect man. my original reason for contributing to the debate was cos i disagree with the "its not my squad" argument that seems to be coming from Villa Park as a viable excuse. Remi Garde was hired in the main to unite the dressing room and by all accounts he hasn't and any grand olde football club with any proper self respect does not/should not retain a manager that gets you relegated.

I thought Garde was brought in to get the best value out of the players brought in during the summer, especially those from France.  The first thing was to get them into the team.  I do not remember any specific mention about uniting the dressing room.

Correct OMVF.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 12, 2016, 05:14:47 PM
I fear Garde will be gone at the end of the season. I expect he wants a clearout and to rebuild. Unfortunately the powers that be are still in denial that the summer signings are useless and therefore it must be the manager's faults. Garde isn't the yes man who's going to tow the line but he will be replaced with one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on March 12, 2016, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
@Diablo yeah well maybe Cas does have some kind of mystic powers, he was signed by Millwall for a set of trackuits and some corrigated iron and went on to play for Villa, Celtic, Marseille and Chelsea. Not to mention a World Cup Quarter Final with Ireland. He may not be everyone's favourite Villain but when he comes out with what are occasional printed media statements concerning football clubs he is usually not far wrong.

And I am not a fan either but he was good value alongside Patrick Kinghorn.

anyway, respect man. my original reason for contributing to the debate was cos i disagree with the "its not my squad" argument that seems to be coming from Villa Park as a viable excuse. Remi Garde was hired in the main to unite the dressing room and by all accounts he hasn't and any grand olde football club with any proper self respect does not/should not retain a manager that gets you relegated.

I thought Garde was brought in to get the best value out of the players brought in during the summer, especially those from France.  The first thing was to get them into the team.  I do not remember any specific mention about uniting the dressing room.

well the French contigent had felt ostracised under Sherwood and Garde was seen as an ideal choice to get everyone (the dressing room) heading in the same direction. Example, just an observation - watch Jordan Ayew's goal celebration against Swansea when he tells another team mate to F off. It could well be nothing but "early doors" it seemed the French guys felt they were to blame for what was going on. That is a point that has been made in the media since. 

Concede though that my point of maybe uniting the dressing room is debatable, depending on how you look at it but Garde as reported at the time was hired to get the French players who cost a few million each into the Villa ethos. At the time of Garde's appointment people talked of those players as money ball players. A Yankee phrase. Yankee owner. Yanke mis-management.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 12, 2016, 05:37:24 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on March 12, 2016, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
@Diablo yeah well maybe Cas does have some kind of mystic powers, he was signed by Millwall for a set of trackuits and some corrigated iron and went on to play for Villa, Celtic, Marseille and Chelsea. Not to mention a World Cup Quarter Final with Ireland. He may not be everyone's favourite Villain but when he comes out with what are occasional printed media statements concerning football clubs he is usually not far wrong.

And I am not a fan either but he was good value alongside Patrick Kinghorn.

anyway, respect man. my original reason for contributing to the debate was cos i disagree with the "its not my squad" argument that seems to be coming from Villa Park as a viable excuse. Remi Garde was hired in the main to unite the dressing room and by all accounts he hasn't and any grand olde football club with any proper self respect does not/should not retain a manager that gets you relegated.

I thought Garde was brought in to get the best value out of the players brought in during the summer, especially those from France.  The first thing was to get them into the team.  I do not remember any specific mention about uniting the dressing room.

well the French contigent had felt ostracised under Sherwood and Garde was seen as an ideal choice to get everyone (the dressing room) heading in the same direction. Example, just an observation - watch Jordan Ayew's goal celebration against Swansea when he tells another team mate to F off. It could well be nothing but "early doors" it seemed the French guys felt they were to blame for what was going on. That is a point that has been made in the media since. 

Concede though that my point of maybe uniting the dressing room is debatable, depending on how you look at it but Garde as reported at the time was hired to get the French players who cost a few million each into the Villa ethos. At the time of Garde's appointment people talked of those players as money ball players. A Yankee phrase. Yankee owner. Yanke mis-management.

We've said this many times and will keep saying it. Nationality has nothing to do with what's going on, so kindly refrain from such comments.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 12, 2016, 05:37:52 PM
The French contingent felt that way and compounded by the English Amigos; Tim, Micah and the Gabster ensuring the divide in the dressing room not only remained but got wider.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 12, 2016, 05:48:42 PM
wider even than the Flabster?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 05:49:05 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 12, 2016, 05:37:24 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on March 12, 2016, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
@Diablo yeah well maybe Cas does have some kind of mystic powers, he was signed by Millwall for a set of trackuits and some corrigated iron and went on to play for Villa, Celtic, Marseille and Chelsea. Not to mention a World Cup Quarter Final with Ireland. He may not be everyone's favourite Villain but when he comes out with what are occasional printed media statements concerning football clubs he is usually not far wrong.

And I am not a fan either but he was good value alongside Patrick Kinghorn.

anyway, respect man. my original reason for contributing to the debate was cos i disagree with the "its not my squad" argument that seems to be coming from Villa Park as a viable excuse. Remi Garde was hired in the main to unite the dressing room and by all accounts he hasn't and any grand olde football club with any proper self respect does not/should not retain a manager that gets you relegated.

I thought Garde was brought in to get the best value out of the players brought in during the summer, especially those from France.  The first thing was to get them into the team.  I do not remember any specific mention about uniting the dressing room.

well the French contigent had felt ostracised under Sherwood and Garde was seen as an ideal choice to get everyone (the dressing room) heading in the same direction. Example, just an observation - watch Jordan Ayew's goal celebration against Swansea when he tells another team mate to F off. It could well be nothing but "early doors" it seemed the French guys felt they were to blame for what was going on. That is a point that has been made in the media since. 

Concede though that my point of maybe uniting the dressing room is debatable, depending on how you look at it but Garde as reported at the time was hired to get the French players who cost a few million each into the Villa ethos. At the time of Garde's appointment people talked of those players as money ball players. A Yankee phrase. Yankee owner. Yanke mis-management.

We've said this many times and will keep saying it. Nationality has nothing to do with what's going on, so kindly refrain from such comments.

Okay Dave sure, understood. Freedom of speech / opinion here is allowed and is not misconstrued as trolling right.

wrong.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on March 12, 2016, 05:52:37 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
@Diablo yeah well maybe Cas does have some kind of mystic powers, he was signed by Millwall for a set of trackuits and some corrigated iron and went on to play for Villa, Celtic, Marseille and Chelsea. Not to mention a World Cup Quarter Final with Ireland. He may not be everyone's favourite Villain but when he comes out with what are occasional printed media statements concerning football clubs he is usually not far wrong.

And I am not a fan either but he was good value alongside Patrick Kinghorn.

anyway, respect man. my original reason for contributing to the debate was cos i disagree with the "its not my squad" argument that seems to be coming from Villa Park as a viable excuse. Remi Garde was hired in the main to unite the dressing room and by all accounts he hasn't and any grand olde football club with any proper self respect does not/should not retain a manager that gets you relegated.

@ZhongYi Arrrgh!! Tony Cascarino has mystic powers!! You mention his World Cup quarter final but omitted the fact that he wasn't even eligible to play for Ireland?! That alone is wizardry. Eighty effin' eight appearances for Ireland!!? 88!!? I feel like I'm in the part of a horror film where the sheer power and extent of the evil that they face is revealed just before their death. Sheeeeet!!

I see your original point by the way and would normally agree with you (under normal managerial circumstances). Scary times! Even more so now with the Cascarino revelation ;-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 12, 2016, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 05:49:05 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 12, 2016, 05:37:24 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on March 12, 2016, 05:04:34 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
@Diablo yeah well maybe Cas does have some kind of mystic powers, he was signed by Millwall for a set of trackuits and some corrigated iron and went on to play for Villa, Celtic, Marseille and Chelsea. Not to mention a World Cup Quarter Final with Ireland. He may not be everyone's favourite Villain but when he comes out with what are occasional printed media statements concerning football clubs he is usually not far wrong.

And I am not a fan either but he was good value alongside Patrick Kinghorn.

anyway, respect man. my original reason for contributing to the debate was cos i disagree with the "its not my squad" argument that seems to be coming from Villa Park as a viable excuse. Remi Garde was hired in the main to unite the dressing room and by all accounts he hasn't and any grand olde football club with any proper self respect does not/should not retain a manager that gets you relegated.

I thought Garde was brought in to get the best value out of the players brought in during the summer, especially those from France.  The first thing was to get them into the team.  I do not remember any specific mention about uniting the dressing room.

well the French contigent had felt ostracised under Sherwood and Garde was seen as an ideal choice to get everyone (the dressing room) heading in the same direction. Example, just an observation - watch Jordan Ayew's goal celebration against Swansea when he tells another team mate to F off. It could well be nothing but "early doors" it seemed the French guys felt they were to blame for what was going on. That is a point that has been made in the media since. 

Concede though that my point of maybe uniting the dressing room is debatable, depending on how you look at it but Garde as reported at the time was hired to get the French players who cost a few million each into the Villa ethos. At the time of Garde's appointment people talked of those players as money ball players. A Yankee phrase. Yankee owner. Yanke mis-management.

We've said this many times and will keep saying it. Nationality has nothing to do with what's going on, so kindly refrain from such comments.

Okay Dave sure, understood. Freedom of speech / opinion here is allowed and is not misconstrued as trolling right.

wrong.

If you dont like the way we do things there are plenty of other places where you can be as xenophobic as you like.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on March 12, 2016, 06:09:22 PM
Quote from: ZhongYi on March 12, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
At the time of Garde's appointment people talked of those players as money ball players. A Yankee phrase. Yankee owner. Yanke mis-management.

Well, people who didn't really have a clue might have talked like that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on March 12, 2016, 06:10:33 PM
I said (not here, to a mate) when Garde joined that I thought he was the right man for the medium term, but I feared the inevitable relegation, given the position and squad he inherited, would damage him to the point where he'd leave in the summer.

I'd still like to see him given fair crack with his own players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 12, 2016, 06:12:31 PM
Quote from: DaveD on March 12, 2016, 06:10:33 PM
I said (not here, to a mate) when Garde joined that I thought he was the right man for the medium term, but I feared the inevitable relegation, given the position and squad he inherited, would damage him to the point where he'd leave in the summer.

I'd still like to see him given fair crack with his own players.

I said almost exactly the same thing at the same time to my brother. It depressingly seems to be panning out as expected.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on March 12, 2016, 06:39:26 PM
I'm excited, being just one "clique" away from calling House!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 07:02:16 PM
i still find it hard to understand how mcneill is described as one of our worst ever managers whose was bought in early in the season, not his players and wasnt given the opportunity to strengthen the squad

garde has a bigger squad and coaches galore, fan goodwill and he still has a worse record - 2 wins in half a season, and an appalling gd and people think give him a full season

bizarrely i really struggle with the reasoning behind this
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MarkM on March 12, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 07:02:16 PM
i still find it hard to understand how mcneill is described as one of our worst ever managers whose was bought in early in the season, not his players and wasnt given the opportunity to strengthen the squad

garde has a bigger squad and coaches galore, fan goodwill and he still has a worse record - 2 wins in half a season, and an appalling gd and people think give him a full season

bizarrely i really struggle with the reasoning behind this

Me too, I think he has been a bit of a disaster
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 07:07:00 PM
Quote from: MarkM on March 12, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 12, 2016, 07:02:16 PM
i still find it hard to understand how mcneill is described as one of our worst ever managers whose was bought in early in the season, not his players and wasnt given the opportunity to strengthen the squad

garde has a bigger squad and coaches galore, fan goodwill and he still has a worse record - 2 wins in half a season, and an appalling gd and people think give him a full season

bizarrely i really struggle with the reasoning behind this

Me too, I think he has been a bit of a disaster

i do quite like the bloke, just not as manager of our club

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 12, 2016, 07:15:12 PM
I suggest respectfully that you better get used it because I am sure an axis of club power forged by the ex governor if the Bank of England and the ex chairman of the FA will demand a manager for the club of intelligence, articulation and integrity.  Whether or not that is Remi Garde is down to Remi Garde but you can bet your mortgage that King and Bernstein will never tolerate a media luvvie, a geezer or a head banger.  The manager they will demand will be either Remi Garde or somebody very much in the same mould.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on March 12, 2016, 08:54:17 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 12, 2016, 07:15:12 PM
I suggest respectfully that you better get used it because I am sure an axis of club power forged by the ex governor if the Bank of England and the ex chairman of the FA will demand a manager for the club of intelligence, articulation and integrity.  Whether or not that is Remi Garde is down to Remi Garde but you can bet your mortgage that King and Bernstein will never tolerate a media luvvie, a geezer or a head banger.  The manager they will demand will be either Remi Garde or somebody very much in the same mould.
I hope your right on that one Brian.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 12, 2016, 09:19:14 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 12, 2016, 07:15:12 PM
I suggest respectfully that you better get used it because I am sure an axis of club power forged by the ex governor if the Bank of England and the ex chairman of the FA will demand a manager for the club of intelligence, articulation and integrity.  Whether or not that is Remi Garde is down to Remi Garde but you can bet your mortgage that King and Bernstein will never tolerate a media luvvie, a geezer or a head banger.  The manager they will demand will be either Remi Garde or somebody very much in the same mould.
Hope you're right. Although Bernstein did appoint Keegan to Man City
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on March 12, 2016, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 12, 2016, 10:41:09 AM
I'd like to see Garde get next season.

How do you judge a manager, in the context of that? The football equivalent of Berlin in April 1945 and say with a straight face that 2 in 18 and it's a simple as that?


Not sure that scans. Allthepies at Sunderland inherited a team not drastically superior talent-wise to our mob.

They had zero wins on the board when he took over in October yet somehow had four by early January. Would he, Pearson or any of the other legion of doom been good long-term options for us?  Probably not. But would they have been more likely to get a tune out of the current side?  I'd say they would.

What Garde faced wasn't Berlin in 1945 when the gig was to all intents and purposes up, but Stalingrad in 1942, pre-Kessel with the winter setting in. Odds against, but still a reasonable chance. I don't think the Sixth Army would have dragged it out for so long if Paulus had fired his men up on the eve of Operation Uranus by saying 'You're all shitheads, I don't rate you and I am better than this."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on March 12, 2016, 11:37:45 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 12, 2016, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 12, 2016, 10:41:09 AM
I'd like to see Garde get next season.

How do you judge a manager, in the context of that? The football equivalent of Berlin in April 1945 and say with a straight face that 2 in 18 and it's a simple as that?


Not sure that scans. Allthepies at Sunderland inherited a team not drastically superior talent-wise to our mob.

They had zero wins on the board when he took over in October yet somehow had four by early January. Would he, Pearson or any of the other legion of doom been good long-term options for us?  Probably not. But would they have been more likely to get a tune out of the current side?  I'd say they would.

What Garde faced wasn't Berlin in 1945 when the gig was to all intents and purposes up, but Stalingrad in 1943, pre-Kessel. Odds against, but still a reasonable chance. I don't think the Sixth Army would have dragged it out for so long if Paulus had fired his men up on the eve of Operation Uranus by saying 'You're all shitheads, I don't rate you and I am better than this."

I disagree, I think our squad is much poorer than Sunderland's. Some of the younger ones have the ability to make it as PL players but they're not at that standard *consistently* yet. Most of them are either has beens or never wases. And more importantly, we do not possess *one* player with the X Factor, who the oppo think "we can't let him do his thing".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 12, 2016, 11:39:54 PM
Garde has been dealt a poor hand but he hasn't been great has he?  I'm really on the fence whether I want him to continue. I know the club will probably get it wrong again if they get rid of him, but that shouldn't be my reason for keeping him either. He seems calm, professional, but you don't slag your players off in public, you do it behind closed doors, even if we like him for doing it. He hasn't improved us at all. Yet I quite like the man.

DaveD, Traore, Gil and Grealish, one might argue, all have the x factor. But for reasons unknown are not showing it. I appreciate that Traore is injured at the moment.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on March 12, 2016, 11:43:48 PM
Sunderland were stinking out the league earlier this season. They were even lower than us for most of the opening part of the campaign and weren't too different personnel-wise to the team we smashed 4-1 up at their place a few months previous.

Admittedly we're veering into tallest dwarf territory; we are talking about two pretty dreadful football sides.

But I don't think they were particularly better than us talent-wise. Then, or now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2016, 11:45:21 PM
I like Remi and unfortunately because of the law that players never get sacked felt he had to go after the Everton game but nonetheless I like what he says so I still want him to succeed.

With regard to the championship am I right in thinking that no manager from outside the British Isles has got a team promoted since its current guise formation in 2004?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 13, 2016, 12:02:05 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2016, 11:45:21 PM
I like Remi and unfortunately because of the law that players never get sacked felt he had to go after the Everton game but nonetheless I like what he says so I still want him to succeed.

With regard to the championship am I right in thinking that no manager from outside the British Isles has got a team promoted since its current guise formation in 2004?

The Watford Spaniard? I might be wrong... Di Matteo with Albion?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 13, 2016, 12:14:42 AM
Yes I knew I was wrong Watford yes.  Wasn't it Mowbray that got Albion up?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 13, 2016, 12:17:37 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 13, 2016, 12:14:42 AM
Yes I knew I was wrong Watford yes.  Wasn't it Mowbray that got Albion up?

I thought it was Di Matteo. I'm happy to be corrected.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 13, 2016, 12:17:50 AM
You're right it was Di Matteo.  Well that's my assertions wrong.  Not many though is it?  The bloke from Middlesbrough has apparently walked out after their last game.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 13, 2016, 05:28:01 AM
Few things I think need light pouring on here,
(1) No Manager ever gets his team when he first arrives at a club especially if it is mid season, so he takes his time to assess and hopefully from prior knowledge of the game finds a formation, pattern of play that suits available personnel until changes can be made.
(2) If you find that you have inherited a bunch of malcontents and effortless merchants you have two ways of dealing with it (a) Coach and just as importantly coax them on side or (b) identify ring leaders and place as far away as possible from the rest of the squad, club.
Not tell the world and his dog via the press they are a useless bunch of unprofessional tossers, but as I have no options I am going to pick them every week and even at times change formation so I can get more of them into the team.
(3) Not backed in January, think this is his only non self induced excuse, but also a concern with his targets, we are crying out for a goal scorer, but correct me if I am wrong there was not one out and out goalscorer in the mix.
(4) If you put the kids in (not talking about 6 or 7, we could get rid of Richards, Gabby , Westwood, so maybe 3)they are going to be scarred for life, again two ways of looking at that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 13, 2016, 05:35:00 AM
(4) Got posted early there, two ways of looking at it, If I was a young player at Villa now and I fancied myself to make the grade, I would be at Garde's door banging and banging, because if I was Lyden and I can't do the job as well as Westwood maybe time to look at career options. Same would go for a young forward looking at Gabby. If put into the team with the wrong mix agree it could do damage, but as mentioned above that can damage players as well.

Sherwood got a bounce and also was slagged for the players he fancied for this season, well I watched one of them last night put more into 90 minutes than I have seen from any Villa player this season and that was Lennon at Everton, not saying I wanted the chancer to stay, but we can't state that certain managers are not getting what they should out of the squad, then back the next guy when he gets even less out of them and we should not keep, on the danger the board might go loop shit and appoint another looney tune. today's result will go along way to deciding, I think another tonking and if he does not walk he needs to be walked around the rose garden
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 13, 2016, 06:31:48 AM
Never going to happen Kuwait, or if there is a walk around the rose garden it will be to persuade Remi Garde to stay.  Whether he chooses to waste any more time on us is a coin toss but they want him for the long haul and so do I.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 13, 2016, 07:08:52 AM
Brian I have never been as convinced about this guy as much as yourself, but have thought what is the use of yet another chopping and yes agree that he has held himself with great dignity after falling into the storm, I just think if the results keep going against us, but more so if the results are going against us with a large number of the players he has called out, still there week in week out on the pitch and the goal difference i.e. the beatings keep getting heavy, something has got to give and it will not be the players until May that's for sure.
Can honestly state Brian that for the first time I am not looking forward to the game today, the scoreline god only knows, but I have the feeling the nucleolus of the side will be the wasters that have served up garbage all season, we will play to the same pattern without adventure and the inevitable acceptance of what is to occur, the manager can only pass that off as none and I say none, not total, his responsibility.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 13, 2016, 07:36:27 AM
Utmost respect Kuwait. I am in a similar boat today.  For the first time for longer than I care to recall I shall be going to Villa Park on my own.  No brother, neither son, no daughter, no grandson beside me.  Just me.  That is how bad it has become.

I have a number of misgivings about Remi Garde.  All top managers have to have the ability in extreme situations of putting the fear of God up their players.  He seems to lack that.  He is too forgiving and should never have allowed Agbonlahor or Richards back into the fold.  He is a percentage player not a risk taker.  He clearly needs men of his choice to help him.

Having said all that I come back like a compass needle to magnetic north to the unshakeable belief that there must be an end to manager hating, manager baiting and manager sacking at Villa Park.  We need a time to regroup and to rebuild.

I compare it to a family in a car on a journey.  Let one person hold the map and work out the directions, don't keep snatching it off him and going off in another direction.

I have the utmost respect for Mervyn King and David Bernstein.  I worked for the Bernstein family in the 60s and 70s and they are top drawer business people.  I am completely confident that they fully understand the overwhelming need for stability at the club.

If it is not going to be Remi in charge after the summer it will be somebody very similar.  Pearson, Davies, Bruce and their ilk are not what will happen.  I am a betting man and my money is still just about on Garde being persuaded to stay.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on March 13, 2016, 07:49:48 AM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on March 13, 2016, 12:02:05 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2016, 11:45:21 PM
I like Remi and unfortunately because of the law that players never get sacked felt he had to go after the Everton game but nonetheless I like what he says so I still want him to succeed.

With regard to the championship am I right in thinking that no manager from outside the British Isles has got a team promoted since its current guise formation in 2004?

The Watford Spaniard? I might be wrong... Di Matteo with Albion?

Jokanovic isn't Spanish.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ormy Droid on March 13, 2016, 07:58:13 AM
I get the stability argument and in an ideal world I would like Remi to continue and given the chance to weed out the dissenters against his regime and bring in his own backroom team from Lyon, plus players who want to play for him.

Unfortunately, there's nothing ideal about Aston Villa's world at the moment. And if anything, speculation and some rational thinking all point to the fact that we're going to be stuck with the fat. lazy ingrates that have so disgraced our shirt this season - Gabby, Richards, Guzan, etc.

While those leaving will be the French contingent, plus Traore, who have at least shown some spark (understandably on an inconsistent basis in their first season in new league, new country and in 'our worst team ever') and are players that would likely buy into Garde's thinking/training.

I hope I'm proved wrong, but if not, Garde is clearly not the manager we're going to need next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 13, 2016, 08:13:54 AM
Agree Ormy but my view is that it is not just next season, but the one after that and the one after that.  Villa is seriously broken.  Bouncing back is very, very important but not as important as the whole future of the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2016, 08:42:48 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 13, 2016, 07:36:27 AM
Utmost respect Kuwait. I am in a similar boat today.  For the first time for longer than I care to recall I shall be going to Villa Park on my own.  No brother, neither son, no daughter, no grandson beside me.  Just me.  That is how bad it has become.

I have a number of misgivings about Remi Garde.  All top managers have to have the ability in extreme situations of putting the fear of God up their players.  He seems to lack that.  He is too forgiving and should never have allowed Agbonlahor or Richards back into the fold.  He is a percentage player not a risk taker.  He clearly needs men of his choice to help him.

Having said all that I come back like a compass needle to magnetic north to the unshakeable belief that there must be an end to manager hating, manager baiting and manager sacking at Villa Park.  We need a time to regroup and to rebuild.

I compare it to a family in a car on a journey.  Let one person hold the map and work out the directions, don't keep snatching it off him and going off in another direction.

I have the utmost respect for Mervyn King and David Bernstein.  I worked for the Bernstein family in the 60s and 70s and they are top drawer business people.  I am completely confident that they fully understand the overwhelming need for stability at the club.

If it is not going to be Remi in charge after the summer it will be somebody very similar.  Pearson, Davies, Bruce and their ilk are not what will happen.  I am a betting man and my money is still just about on Garde being persuaded to stay.

I used to give Mrs Tayls that responsibility. I'd have faired better giving it to the tartan blanket and fedora on the parcel shelf.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on March 13, 2016, 08:48:05 AM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on March 13, 2016, 05:28:01 AM
Few things I think need light pouring on here,
(1) No Manager ever gets his team when he first arrives at a club especially if it is mid season, so he takes his time to assess and hopefully from prior knowledge of the game finds a formation, pattern of play that suits available personnel until changes can be made.
(2) If you find that you have inherited a bunch of malcontents and effortless merchants you have two ways of dealing with it (a) Coach and just as importantly coax them on side or (b) identify ring leaders and place as far away as possible from the rest of the squad, club.
Not tell the world and his dog via the press they are a useless bunch of unprofessional tossers, but as I have no options I am going to pick them every week and even at times change formation so I can get more of them into the team.
(3) Not backed in January, think this is his only non self induced excuse, but also a concern with his targets, we are crying out for a goal scorer, but correct me if I am wrong there was not one out and out goalscorer in the mix.
(4) If you put the kids in (not talking about 6 or 7, we could get rid of Richards, Gabby , Westwood, so maybe 3)they are going to be scarred for life, again two ways of looking at that.
I can't disagree with any of this and this is why I have lost a little bit of faith in Remi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 08:48:36 AM
did anyone want mcneill to stay?

garde is worse whats the difference?

i am genuinely surprised at the goodwill afforded to a manger who is making a shit team even shitter. if things are bad now then next season will be even harder.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 09:03:06 AM
Surely a Brian Little presence in the dressing room would help Garde, he seems to be fighting a one man battle and to have a Villa legend walk among the players showing his support for the manager may give Remi a little (no pun intended) breathing space.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:03:47 AM
How is he making them shitter? They are terrible I'm not disagreeing with that, but through this season did you forget the first 10 games under Sherwood? I don't know whether Garde can suceed or not, but to write him off against a back drop of probably the worst squad we've had and him not being able to sign any players is ridiculous. He deserves a chance at getting some players in. Can you not see the pattern that we have been sacking managers for the last few years and have continued to decline? Also without knowing what the plans are for next season yet I don't know how you can say things are only going to get worse, because we'll be playing poorer teams next year.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on March 13, 2016, 09:17:32 AM
Garde gets the goodwill generally being voiced on some threads here because he was dealt an impossible hand. Given the financial benefits of staying in the PL from next season onwards, the fact that the club has not tried harder to stay up (by buying the players that would have made the difference), one can only speculate how much as-yet uncovered stuff has been going on behind the scenes.
I don't believe that Garde has particularly covered himself in glory. However, with the shift in the management team above him, he should be given the chance to stay - if he's prepared to do so - and shape the future we all want.
As far as next season is concerned, money should be budgeted to offload / pay up the wasters. Furthermore, money should be given to persuade the players we do want to remain, to commit 12 months more to the club. Finally, our scouting effort should focus on emerging 2nd and 3rd players to blend into the core of the squad that will remain.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on March 13, 2016, 09:29:04 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 09:03:06 AM
Surely a Brian Little presence in the dressing room would help Garde, he seems to be fighting a one man battle and to have a Villa legend walk among the players showing his support for the manager may give Remi a little (no pun intended) breathing space.

He already has a Villa"legend" working in his team. His name is Gordon Cowans. Personally I don't think think Brian Little will make any difference. Graham Taylor
could have but Lerner has ignored him before and obviously Graham Taylor didnt like it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on March 13, 2016, 09:36:15 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 08:48:36 AM
did anyone want mcneill to stay?

garde is worse whats the difference?

i am genuinely surprised at the goodwill afforded to a manger who is making a shit team even shitter. if things are bad now then next season will be even harder.

You keep saying this, but your simplistic argument takes no account of the relative strengths of the squads. The one McNeill inherits was far stronger than the current one which is frankly a bit of a camel.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldtimernow on March 13, 2016, 09:39:02 AM
come on that's not fair, Camels are useful...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on March 13, 2016, 09:40:01 AM
They're bad for your health.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oldtimernow on March 13, 2016, 09:40:54 AM
only if they spit
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on March 13, 2016, 09:43:16 AM
Quote from: oldtimernow on March 13, 2016, 09:39:02 AM
come on that's not fair, Camels are useful...

Not when your committee was aiming for a horse!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on March 13, 2016, 09:36:15 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 08:48:36 AM
did anyone want mcneill to stay?

garde is worse whats the difference?

i am genuinely surprised at the goodwill afforded to a manger who is making a shit team even shitter. if things are bad now then next season will be even harder.

You keep saying this, but your simplistic argument takes no account of the relative strengths of the squads. The one McNeill inherits was far stronger than the current one which is frankly a bit of a camel.

It is a shit squad, everyone can see that, but I reckon any manager could get 2 wins out of 18 games with that bunch. Law of averages would dictate that we won't lose all 38 league games. Morale, effort, hope, expectation and commitment all seem to have plummeted since Garde took over though, which is what really worries me. He hasn't  improved anything, which is fair enough given the shit he's had to face, but actually making us a worse team is the reason I think he should go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 09:57:00 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

If that's what you think, fine, but at best you're saying that he's as bad as Sherwood? Reason enough to bin him off
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on March 13, 2016, 09:57:43 AM
I feel sure he will go as he hasn't got much out of this squad the majority of which we will be stuck with next year. The players are the least affected by all this unfortunately but that's football today.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on March 13, 2016, 10:15:02 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on March 13, 2016, 09:36:15 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 08:48:36 AM
did anyone want mcneill to stay?

garde is worse whats the difference?

i am genuinely surprised at the goodwill afforded to a manger who is making a shit team even shitter. if things are bad now then next season will be even harder.
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You keep saying this, but your simplistic argument takes no account of the relative strengths of the squads. The one McNeill inherits was far stronger than the current one which is frankly a bit of a camel.

It is a shit squad, everyone can see that, but I reckon any manager could get 2 wins out of 18 games with that bunch. Law of averages would dictate that we won't lose all 38 league games. Morale, effort, hope, expectation and commitment all seem to have plummeted since Garde took over though, which is what really worries me. He hasn't  improved anything, which is fair enough given the shit he's had to face, but actually making us a worse team is the reason I think he should go.

I can see that, and I'm extremely disappointed Garde hasn't done better, but you miss my point regarding what McNeill and Garde had dealt to them, and therefore the validity of funkeltrumpet's specious argument.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:39:48 AM
Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on March 13, 2016, 09:36:15 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 08:48:36 AM
did anyone want mcneill to stay?

garde is worse whats the difference?

i am genuinely surprised at the goodwill afforded to a manger who is making a shit team even shitter. if things are bad now then next season will be even harder.

You keep saying this, but your simplistic argument takes no account of the relative strengths of the squads. The one McNeill inherits was far stronger than the current one which is frankly a bit of a camel.

that is a cop out

garde has made zero difference, we look worse defensively hence a minus 20 odd goal difference

there is no arguement for keeping him whatsover

next season will be even harder, the shit will still be here because no ne will want them, he aint going to get much money and the few decent players we have will leave

these isnt a magic switch that will get turned on in the summer that will all of a sudden make garde fit for purpose
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 13, 2016, 10:41:24 AM
Managers are paid to organise, get the best out of their resources. Garde has not done this. We might argue, throw players out of the club, bring more in. Can Garde be trusted to get the best out of them? Oooh, he will if we bring in his own players? His own players would have surely wanted premiership football and won't want to drop a league.  I see this both ways. It's a risk to keep Remi Garde next season either way. Does the new board see enough in him to get the team straight back up? Personally, I don't. But then again, I am not the chairman, and given the lack of support already dished out, I might be inclined to see what he can do, once supported. Will the board take the risk? Due to wanting stability, I reckon they will.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on March 13, 2016, 10:52:38 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 13, 2016, 07:36:27 AM
Utmost respect Kuwait. I am in a similar boat today.  For the first time for longer than I care to recall I shall be going to Villa Park on my own.  No brother, neither son, no daughter, no grandson beside me.  Just me.  That is how bad it has become.

I have a number of misgivings about Remi Garde.  All top managers have to have the ability in extreme situations of putting the fear of God up their players.  He seems to lack that.  He is too forgiving and should never have allowed Agbonlahor or Richards back into the fold.  He is a percentage player not a risk taker.  He clearly needs men of his choice to help him.

Having said all that I come back like a compass needle to magnetic north to the unshakeable belief that there must be an end to manager hating, manager baiting and manager sacking at Villa Park.  We need a time to regroup and to rebuild.

I compare it to a family in a car on a journey.  Let one person hold the map and work out the directions, don't keep snatching it off him and going off in another direction.

I have the utmost respect for Mervyn King and David Bernstein.  I worked for the Bernstein family in the 60s and 70s and they are top drawer business people.  I am completely confident that they fully understand the overwhelming need for stability at the club.

If it is not going to be Remi in charge after the summer it will be somebody very similar.  Pearson, Davies, Bruce and their ilk are not what will happen.  I am a betting man and my money is still just about on Garde being persuaded to stay.

You should have given me a shout Brian, i would have joined you
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 13, 2016, 11:01:30 AM
Thanks Mal, I could have treated you to lunch at The George.  Perhaps better on my own, I am shit company at the moment.  Like Bridget Jones I am on the edge of reason.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on March 13, 2016, 11:03:39 AM
In about 30 years we will all probably look back and say Garde was useless. He had players like Adama, Amavi, Gana, Gill, Grealish Richards at his disposal who all went on to do well. (maybe no Richards)
I bet in 1987 people thought the players were garbage too, no one dreamed Dorigo and Hodge would go to world cups, Keown, Walters would win honours, Daley would get silverwear with us, Birch would be a solid player.

Hell, in 5 years we could be gushing about how Ashley Westwood man marked Messi out of the game during a champions league group match at Villa Park :o
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:08:01 AM
I'd love to know what the team talks are like. I'd love to know what goes on in the dressing room before and after the games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2016, 11:09:56 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:08:01 AM
I'd love to know what the team talks are like. I'd love to know what goes on in the dressing room before and after the games.

I know. Lots of fit young men moisturising their rippling muscles and flicking towels at each other. Wonderful.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2016, 11:09:56 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:08:01 AM
I'd love to know what the team talks are like. I'd love to know what goes on in the dressing room before and after the games.

I know. Lots of fit young men moisturising their rippling muscles and flicking towels at each other. Wonderful.

PM me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2016, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2016, 11:09:56 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:08:01 AM
I'd love to know what the team talks are like. I'd love to know what goes on in the dressing room before and after the games.

I know. Lots of fit young men moisturising their rippling muscles and flicking towels at each other. Wonderful.

PM me.

Ha ha, God no.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2016, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2016, 11:09:56 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:08:01 AM
I'd love to know what the team talks are like. I'd love to know what goes on in the dressing room before and after the games.

I know. Lots of fit young men moisturising their rippling muscles and flicking towels at each other. Wonderful.

PM me.

Ha ha, God no.

That hurt, you bitch
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2016, 11:17:46 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2016, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2016, 11:09:56 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:08:01 AM
I'd love to know what the team talks are like. I'd love to know what goes on in the dressing room before and after the games.

I know. Lots of fit young men moisturising their rippling muscles and flicking towels at each other. Wonderful.

PM me.

Ha ha, God no.

That hurt, you bitch

I'd be flicking Gabby but it'd be with a mace!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on March 13, 2016, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: Stinkin_Thinkin on March 13, 2016, 11:03:39 AM
In about 30 years we will all probably look back and say Garde was useless. He had players like Adama, Amavi, Gana, Gill, Grealish Richards at his disposal who all went on to do well. (maybe no Richards)
I bet in 1987 people thought the players were garbage too, no one dreamed Dorigo and Hodge would go to world cups, Keown, Walters would win honours, Daley would get silverwear with us, Birch would be a solid player.

Hell, in 5 years we could be gushing about how Ashley Westwood man marked Messi out of the game during a champions league group match at Villa Park :o

<Pedant>I think in 1987 they might have had an idea that Steve Hodge would play in the 1986 world cup </Pedant>
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TonyD on March 13, 2016, 11:39:02 AM
He is lost like a middle class supply teacher at a naughty school. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on March 13, 2016, 11:45:40 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 13, 2016, 11:01:30 AM
Thanks Mal, I could have treated you to lunch at The George.  Perhaps better on my own, I am shit company at the moment.  Like Bridget Jones I am on the edge of reason.

I know how you feel. Safe trip and I hope the spring sun is shining on the Villa ttoday
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 13, 2016, 12:15:05 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2016, 11:17:46 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2016, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on March 13, 2016, 11:09:56 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 13, 2016, 11:08:01 AM
I'd love to know what the team talks are like. I'd love to know what goes on in the dressing room before and after the games.

I know. Lots of fit young men moisturising their rippling muscles and flicking towels at each other. Wonderful.

PM me.

Ha ha, God no.

That hurt, you bitch

I'd be flicking Gabby but it'd be with a mace!

Can you two get a room please! (joke)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 13, 2016, 12:31:38 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

About the same and there lies the problem. The same players have been consistently crap under 2 managers.  If the same players start next season under a new manager we'll be having this discussion again by christmas.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on March 13, 2016, 12:44:48 PM
Quote from: ez on March 13, 2016, 12:31:38 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

About the same and there lies the problem. The same players have been consistently crap under 2 managers.  If the same players start next season under a new manager we'll be having this discussion again by christmas.

With the exception of the players brought in during last summer, you could say 3 managers. It was only the fact that Lambert had Benteke that the wolf was kept away from the door for so long. Sherwood was made to look better than he was by the same reason.

So, we have identified that it's the weakness of the squad, both in quality and fighting spirit. Now the club has to do something about the problem, not deal with the consequences.

As you say, a different musician is not going to get a different tune.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: seanthevillan on March 13, 2016, 01:22:21 PM
Quote from: Stinkin_Thinkin on March 13, 2016, 11:03:39 AM
In about 30 years we will all probably look back and say Garde was useless. He had players like Adama, Amavi, Gana, Gill, Grealish Richards at his disposal who all went on to do well. (maybe no Richards)
I bet in 1987 people thought the players were garbage too, no one dreamed Dorigo and Hodge would go to world cups, Keown, Walters would win honours, Daley would get silverwear with us, Birch would be a solid player.

Hell, in 5 years we could be gushing about how Ashley Westwood man marked Messi out of the game during a champions league group match at Villa Park :o

I think not having Amavi has hit the team hard, more than Adama and Grealish being absent for stretches. He'd settled quickest, had quality and made an impact going forward.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DB on March 13, 2016, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

We are conceding more goals under Garde?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: seanthevillan on March 13, 2016, 01:37:23 PM
Quote from: DB on March 13, 2016, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

We are conceding more goals under Garde?

Sherwood kept one clean sheet in the league before he left - in Garde's first game, the 0-0 against City, the team looked better defensively organised than it had done, and I think the Leicester home match was a decent performance as well.

Unfortunately as everyone has identified, a clique of players have just stopped performing for Garde and the club - we had a few batterings under Sherwood as well though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2016, 01:39:33 PM
Quote from: Stinkin_Thinkin on March 13, 2016, 11:03:39 AM
In about 30 years we will all probably look back and say Garde was useless. He had players like Adama, Amavi, Gana, Gill, Grealish Richards at his disposal who all went on to do well. (maybe no Richards)

Amavi played 1 game under Garde and then had that injury. Adama has made 5 appearances under him. He's hardly had them at his disposal. That's a bit like saying McNeill had Gary Shaw at his disposal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 13, 2016, 02:25:29 PM
If my gaffer sent me to a job to drill through a concrete floor, but gave me a 12v hand drill and a wood bit, I wouldn't be able to do it.

It wouldn't mean I was incapable of doing the job, just the tools were not up to it. It feels like we've asked Garde to do similar.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on March 13, 2016, 02:36:52 PM
However if your Gaffer said to you at the interview that you will have to drill such holes with tools we have then I am sure you will either look at the tools and accept or ask for alternative  suitable tools and you will not accept the job otherwise?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 02:43:53 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 13, 2016, 02:25:29 PM
If my gaffer sent me to a job to drill through a concrete floor, but gave me a 12v hand drill and a wood bit, I wouldn't be able to do it.

It wouldn't mean I was incapable of doing the job, just the tools were not up to it. It feels like we've asked Garde to do similar.

Only bad workmen blame their tools. If I was in charge, I'd be sending Garde to B&Q to ask for a long wait and a tin of elbow grease
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 13, 2016, 02:48:49 PM
Quote from: olaftab on March 13, 2016, 02:36:52 PM
However if your Gaffer said to you at the interview that you will have to drill such holes with tools we have then I am sure you will either look at the tools and accept or ask for alternative  suitable tools and you will not accept the job otherwise?

But I bet it was more like being asked to make a start with those tools, and we'll get you some new ones in a couple of months, which of course didn't happen.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 13, 2016, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 02:43:53 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 13, 2016, 02:25:29 PM
If my gaffer sent me to a job to drill through a concrete floor, but gave me a 12v hand drill and a wood bit, I wouldn't be able to do it.

It wouldn't mean I was incapable of doing the job, just the tools were not up to it. It feels like we've asked Garde to do similar.

Only bad workmen blame their tools. If I was in charge, I'd be sending Garde to B&Q to ask for a long wait and a tin of elbow grease

Bad workmen do blame their tools, but it doesn't change the fact you need a certain level of equipment to do complex jobs.

You're not going to dig the channel tunnel with a pick axe, however talented you are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on March 13, 2016, 02:55:48 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 13, 2016, 02:48:49 PM
Quote from: olaftab on March 13, 2016, 02:36:52 PM
However if your Gaffer said to you at the interview that you will have to drill such holes with tools we have then I am sure you will either look at the tools and accept or ask for alternative  suitable tools and you will not accept the job otherwise?

But I bet it was more like being asked to make a start with those tools, and we'll get you some new ones in a couple of months, which of course didn't happen.
Yes perhaps but at that stage you would resign unless of course you have signed a fat 1.2 Million pounds a year contract than you would stay and wait for paid up sack!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2016, 03:05:41 PM
while relegation isn't mathematically certain Garde isn't going to play the kids because of the poisonous nature of the dressing room. My guess is as soon as it is he'll turf the wasters like Richards and Gabby. Only then will he start to introduce younger players because the pressure will be relieved as ultimately depressing as the fact of relegation might be. We would essentially be starting pre-season a little early.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on March 13, 2016, 03:07:08 PM
Quote from: DB on March 13, 2016, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

We are conceding more goals under Garde?
But if your using these stats then you need to consider that it was a team Sherwood built with 12 or so new signings.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on March 13, 2016, 03:36:53 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 13, 2016, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 02:43:53 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 13, 2016, 02:25:29 PM
If my gaffer sent me to a job to drill through a concrete floor, but gave me a 12v hand drill and a wood bit, I wouldn't be able to do it.

It wouldn't mean I was incapable of doing the job, just the tools were not up to it. It feels like we've asked Garde to do similar.

Only bad workmen blame their tools. If I was in charge, I'd be sending Garde to B&Q to ask for a long wait and a tin of elbow grease



You're not going to dig the channel tunnel with a pick axe, however talented you are.

It always reverts back to the fact he's French!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 03:49:29 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 13, 2016, 04:13:44 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 12, 2016, 11:26:22 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 12, 2016, 10:41:09 AM
I'd like to see Garde get next season.

How do you judge a manager, in the context of that? The football equivalent of Berlin in April 1945 and say with a straight face that 2 in 18 and it's a simple as that?


Not sure that scans. Allthepies at Sunderland inherited a team not drastically superior talent-wise to our mob.

They had zero wins on the board when he took over in October yet somehow had four by early January. Would he, Pearson or any of the other legion of doom been good long-term options for us?  Probably not. But would they have been more likely to get a tune out of the current side?  I'd say they would.

What Garde faced wasn't Berlin in 1945 when the gig was to all intents and purposes up, but Stalingrad in 1942, pre-Kessel with the winter setting in. Odds against, but still a reasonable chance. I don't think the Sixth Army would have dragged it out for so long if Paulus had fired his men up on the eve of Operation Uranus by saying 'You're all shitheads, I don't rate you and I am better than this."

I like this analogy Mr Gage.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 13, 2016, 05:20:15 PM
Our players are bad but they aren't as talentless as they look at the moment. We shouldn't be quite this shit, and Garde's come across a little petulant to me since January. Rather than moaning week on week about his players not listening to him (which is essentially an admission that he's not doing his own job properly) or that they're not good enough, he should have just walked. He's so passionless and not in the least bit inspiring. You can only excuse our results so far for him. I appreciate the squad is mediocre. I appreciate it's not his team (Sherwood will argue the same until the end of time no doubt) but 2 wins in 18 is inexcusable at a premier league football club. Bournemouth do not have a better squad than we do. They didn't spend the best part of 50 million on new players in the summer.

Garde's future lies back in France where his managerial style will be better suited and where he's at his level. He has to go in the summer. To be honest I'd bin him now and let Sir Brian see us through to the end of the season. We dead and buried but Garde's relationship with his board and players has broken down beyond repair.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 13, 2016, 05:44:51 PM
He couldn't do any worse , could he?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MarkM on March 13, 2016, 05:52:34 PM
Garde can't manage, can't motivate players, has little tactical ability

Apart from that he's a good manager!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VillaAlways on March 13, 2016, 05:55:35 PM
The guy is sitting there just waiting to be sacked. This is inexcusable now
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: jwarry on March 13, 2016, 05:56:23 PM
Is his honeymoon period over yet?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 05:58:04 PM
I think the fact that we're arguing whether he's as good as Sherwood or not says it all. It doesn't matter, he's not good enough for us. And he can take Fox and the entire first team with him for all I care. Wankers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2016, 06:00:19 PM
Spineless and clueless.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on March 13, 2016, 06:00:52 PM
Louis van Gaal has gone from respected manager to clown at Utd. I see no reason to abuse or mock Garde - the players are just awful.

History will forget McLeish, Houllier, Lambert and Sherwood. It's a pity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: CT on March 13, 2016, 06:02:18 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 05:58:04 PM
I think the fact that we're arguing whether he's as good as Sherwood or not says it all. It doesn't matter, he's not good enough for us. And he can take Fox and the entire first team with him for all I care. Wankers.

Would have to agree. I like RG and wanted him to succeed and yes, he's been royally fucked by his bosses.

But fucking hell, he's been absolutely terrible and appeared to throw in the towel shortly after the Board did.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 13, 2016, 06:02:55 PM
It sickens me a bit to see that Newcastle have shown a bit of ambition and balls and gone for the FSW. Granted it may not work and one sniff of a better club and he'll jump ship, but he's got a decent, proven track record, and is tactically astute. They'll probably stay up now. We've taken wildly inconsistent and huge gambles and tried to do things on the cheap and it's biting us on the scrote.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: NorthYvillan on March 13, 2016, 06:03:00 PM
I think including Houllier in that list is a little unfair
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 13, 2016, 06:04:00 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on March 13, 2016, 06:00:52 PM
Louis van Gaal has gone from respected manager to clown at Utd. I see no reason to abuse or mock Garde - the players are just awful.

History will forget McLeish, Houllier, Lambert and Sherwood. It's a pity.
I'd love LVG here. At the very least we'd get comedy value.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 13, 2016, 06:21:29 PM
we've got that already
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 06:23:41 PM
These players don't want to play for the manager, no matter who he is. If it is true there are cliques in the dressing room then we are in bigger trouble than we thought.

Given that we are going to have a huge amount of work to do in the summer if we want a cat's chance in hell of coming straight back, id rather we did that with the manager already in place.

I'd rather keep Garde than poke around with the likes of Bruce or Pearson on some spurious "knows the championship" basis.

There isn't a manager out there who can get decent results out of the likes of Richardson, Bacuna, Westwood, Hutton or cissokho.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 06:23:48 PM
I think some of you need a reality check, I don't care who the manager is or was with this squad we were always going to be relegated. The powers that be took a massive gamble last summer and it has blown up in our face, to bring in so many players that were untried in the premiership or at least a league equivalent to it has been shown to be a disaster and the biggest mistake of all was replacing our leading goal scorer with a donkey has proved fatal. Get of Gardes back his only mistake was in believing the players may have been better than what they turned out to be. As we saw today the effort was there but the players are simply not good enough at this level.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DB on March 13, 2016, 06:26:45 PM
Nothing he has done so far has put any belief he has improved on what went before him. Yes, it isn't his squad (which is shit), but not even fight or a glimpse that we have improved. I would look elsewhere come what May.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 13, 2016, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 06:23:48 PM
I think some of you need a reality check, I don't care who the manager is or was with this squad we were always going to be relegated. The powers that be took a massive gamble last summer and it has blown up in our face, to bring in so many players that were untried in the premiership or at least a league equivalent to it has been shown to be a disaster and the biggest mistake of all was replacing our leading goal scorer with a donkey has proved fatal. Get of Gardes back his only mistake was in believing the players may have been better than what they turned out to be. As we saw today the effort was there but the players are simply not good enough at this level.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 06:28:50 PM
Quote from: DB on March 13, 2016, 06:26:45 PM
Nothing he has done so far has put any belief he has improved on what went before him. Yes, it isn't his squad (which is shit), but not even fight or a glimpse that we have improved. I would look elsewhere come what May.

 I think they showed some fight today they are simply not good enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on March 13, 2016, 06:29:29 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 13, 2016, 06:21:29 PM
we've got that already

It's a cracker!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: TheMalandro on March 13, 2016, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 06:23:48 PM
I think some of you need a reality check, I don't care who the manager is or was with this squad we were always going to be relegated. The powers that be took a massive gamble last summer and it has blown up in our face, to bring in so many players that were untried in the premiership or at least a league equivalent to it has been shown to be a disaster and the biggest mistake of all was replacing our leading goal scorer with a donkey has proved fatal. Get of Gardes back his only mistake was in believing the players may have been better than what they turned out to be. As we saw today the effort was there but the players are simply not good enough at this level.

Very well put. Dire straits when he arrived - I said at the time I wouldn't blame him.
I'm sure he will be the next Lerner scapegoat.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on March 13, 2016, 06:32:54 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 13, 2016, 06:04:00 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on March 13, 2016, 06:00:52 PM
Louis van Gaal has gone from respected manager to clown at Utd. I see no reason to abuse or mock Garde - the players are just awful.

History will forget McLeish, Houllier, Lambert and Sherwood. It's a pity.
I'd love LVG here. At the very least we'd get comedy value.

Pretty sure Yanited will be his last gig. Although he's clearly bat shit crazy I don't think he'd have the energy (or more importantly be crazy enough) to undertake the enormity of the project.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 06:33:31 PM
Graham Taylor on the radio, said it was the first time he's seen us live this season and he was surprised to see the lack of effort being shown. Players standing around, hands on hips, looking at other players, shit body language, general negativity.....he sounded quite sad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on March 13, 2016, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on March 13, 2016, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 06:23:48 PM
I think some of you need a reality check, I don't care who the manager is or was with this squad we were always going to be relegated. The powers that be took a massive gamble last summer and it has blown up in our face, to bring in so many players that were untried in the premiership or at least a league equivalent to it has been shown to be a disaster and the biggest mistake of all was replacing our leading goal scorer with a donkey has proved fatal. Get of Gardes back his only mistake was in believing the players may have been better than what they turned out to be. As we saw today the effort was there but the players are simply not good enough at this level.


Very well put. Dire straits when he arrived - I said at the time I wouldn't blame him.
I'm sure he will be the next Lerner scapegoat.

Agreed. Those calling for a new manager still don't get it - its quite unbelievable - I really do wonder how many managers we need to burn cash on before the twig falls. A new manager simply buys a few months hope (for some) before the reality settles in again that he is the least of the problems at this club.

I hope Remi walks, I really do - why should he give a shit when no-one else at the club clearly does, and the fans are turning (easy scape-goat again).   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 13, 2016, 06:40:45 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 06:23:48 PM
I think some of you need a reality check, I don't care who the manager is or was with this squad we were always going to be relegated. The powers that be took a massive gamble last summer and it has blown up in our face, to bring in so many players that were untried in the premiership or at least a league equivalent to it has been shown to be a disaster and the biggest mistake of all was replacing our leading goal scorer with a donkey has proved fatal. Get of Gardes back his only mistake was in believing the players may have been better than what they turned out to be. As we saw today the effort was there but the players are simply not good enough at this level.
There was some effort today but we're never going to compete with a club like Spurs (vomits in mouth). What has really let us down, and this includes under Garde, is not showing enough fight in the games we should be competing on an even keel. We've really let ourselves down against the sides from 8th down, because these are results we need to be pulling off. I still don't think some of the players do enough, and all the basic errors are shocking. Tactically we're atrocious.

We don't have the worst squad of players in this league. We just don't have the fight that some of the others have, or the cohesion or management. We're not worse than Bournemouth if you're talking about ability, but they wipe the floor with us as far as organisation and desire goes and they've got over twice as many points as we do to show for it. Garde has failed dismally.

This season is done with, and I agree, thanks to the clubs dismal organisation, it would have been a hell of a task for anyone to keep us up, but at the very least we would expect some fight and to at least take it to the final weeks. We'll be lucky if we're not mathematically done by mid-April.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 13, 2016, 06:45:41 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 13, 2016, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on March 13, 2016, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 06:23:48 PM
I think some of you need a reality check, I don't care who the manager is or was with this squad we were always going to be relegated. The powers that be took a massive gamble last summer and it has blown up in our face, to bring in so many players that were untried in the premiership or at least a league equivalent to it has been shown to be a disaster and the biggest mistake of all was replacing our leading goal scorer with a donkey has proved fatal. Get of Gardes back his only mistake was in believing the players may have been better than what they turned out to be. As we saw today the effort was there but the players are simply not good enough at this level.


Very well put. Dire straits when he arrived - I said at the time I wouldn't blame him.
I'm sure he will be the next Lerner scapegoat.

Agreed. Those calling for a new manager still don't get it - its quite unbelievable - I really do wonder how many managers we need to burn cash on before the twig falls. A new manager simply buys a few months hope (for some) before the reality settles in again that he is the least of the problems at this club.

I hope Remi walks, I really do - why should he give a shit when no-one else at the club clearly does, and the fans are turning (easy scape-goat again).   
I don't think anyone is saying the main problem isn't the top of the club. That most certainly needs adressing in the summer and hopefully the recent acquisitions on the board are the beginning (As well as fucking Tom Fox a million miles away on a rocket into the Sun).
But Remi hasn't shown anything whatsoever to suggest that he'd be up for a battle in the Championship to get us up. Quite the opposite. He's been fucking horrendous recently and the excuses don't wash any more.

What we need is a complete sweep from top to bottom and we need to identify a feasible plan that can see the club firstly stabilise and then rebuild. That means changing our transfer policy, our youth policy, our club structure and on the playing side that also means fresh impetus from a manager who has the potential to inspire. Garde isn't that man. Too much damage has been done. He's damaged good and the relationship between he and the board is irreparable.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Billy Walker on March 13, 2016, 06:57:47 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 13, 2016, 06:35:00 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on March 13, 2016, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 06:23:48 PM
I think some of you need a reality check, I don't care who the manager is or was with this squad we were always going to be relegated. The powers that be took a massive gamble last summer and it has blown up in our face, to bring in so many players that were untried in the premiership or at least a league equivalent to it has been shown to be a disaster and the biggest mistake of all was replacing our leading goal scorer with a donkey has proved fatal. Get of Gardes back his only mistake was in believing the players may have been better than what they turned out to be. As we saw today the effort was there but the players are simply not good enough at this level.


Very well put. Dire straits when he arrived - I said at the time I wouldn't blame him.
I'm sure he will be the next Lerner scapegoat.

Agreed. Those calling for a new manager still don't get it - its quite unbelievable - I really do wonder how many managers we need to burn cash on before the twig falls. A new manager simply buys a few months hope (for some) before the reality settles in again that he is the least of the problems at this club.

I hope Remi walks, I really do - why should he give a shit when no-one else at the club clearly does, and the fans are turning (easy scape-goat again).   

Spot on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on March 13, 2016, 07:16:29 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 06:33:31 PM
Graham Taylor on the radio, said it was the first time he's seen us live this season and he was surprised to see the lack of effort being shown. Players standing around, hands on hips, looking at other players, shit body language, general negativity.....he sounded quite sad.

Bloody hell, and we thought that was one of our better performances for effort shown
Can you imagine what he would have thought if he was at the Liverpool match
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 13, 2016, 07:19:46 PM
Quote from: john e on March 13, 2016, 07:16:29 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 06:33:31 PM
Graham Taylor on the radio, said it was the first time he's seen us live this season and he was surprised to see the lack of effort being shown. Players standing around, hands on hips, looking at other players, shit body language, general negativity.....he sounded quite sad.

Bloody hell, and we thought that was one of our better performances for effort shown
Can you imagine what he would have thought if he was at the Liverpool match
I saw Gana putting in a hell of a shift. The others? Some did the bare minimum, others didn't get close (as per).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 13, 2016, 07:24:06 PM
Garde out along with Wenger.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Durham58 on March 13, 2016, 07:25:08 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 06:33:31 PM
Graham Taylor on the radio, said it was the first time he's seen us live this season and he was surprised to see the lack of effort being shown. Players standing around, hands on hips, looking at other players, shit body language, general negativity.....he sounded quite sad.

That ain't right , he was at  the Man City game in November, he looked pretty depressed then..
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: andyh on March 13, 2016, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 06:33:31 PM
Graham Taylor on the radio, said it was the first time he's seen us live this season and he was surprised to see the lack of effort being shown. Players standing around, hands on hips, looking at other players, shit body language, general negativity.....he sounded quite sad.
But Remi said we fought and battled?
I'm all confused on who to believe now!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 07:32:15 PM
Still don't understand why people think Garde will have a totally different squad next season. He won't. He'll have the ones he has now minus the (better) ones he can sell, with 4 or 5 new faces if he's lucky. He really needs to be able to motivate the current squad because like it or not he's stuck with them. These new players he wants better be blinding because we're gonna struggle if they're the only ones that will play for him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: walsall villain on March 13, 2016, 07:44:11 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 06:33:31 PM
Graham Taylor on the radio, said it was the first time he's seen us live this season and he was surprised to see the lack of effort being shown. Players standing around, hands on hips, looking at other players, shit body language, general negativity.....he sounded quite sad.
I didn't see it that way today. I thought they tried and worked quite hard but crossing was, as usual, crap and they had far better players than us (obviously). Even when we had one or two clear chances we contrived to miss and we were so easily carved open by there speed of thought and movement. Our squad, with Traore and Amavi injured, completely lacks pace so all our attempts at attacking are ponderous.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 07:48:22 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 07:32:15 PM
Still don't understand why people think Garde will have a totally different squad next season. He won't. He'll have the ones he has now minus the (better) ones he can sell, with 4 or 5 new faces if he's lucky. He really needs to be able to motivate the current squad because like it or not he's stuck with them. These new players he wants better be blinding because we're gonna struggle if they're the only ones that will play for him.

So, a different squad - you're the one who made "totally" different a requirement.

He's going to have to work with some of the same players but he'll get to choose the ones we try to move on, and the new ones coming in.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 07:52:15 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 07:48:22 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 07:32:15 PM
Still don't understand why people think Garde will have a totally different squad next season. He won't. He'll have the ones he has now minus the (better) ones he can sell, with 4 or 5 new faces if he's lucky. He really needs to be able to motivate the current squad because like it or not he's stuck with them. These new players he wants better be blinding because we're gonna struggle if they're the only ones that will play for him.

So, a different squad - you're the one who made it "totally" different

yeah, but the fact remains if he can't get anything out of the current squad, he's not going to do it with the same players plus 4 or 5 new faces is he, unless you think we can mount a challenge with only 4 or 5 players bothering in the team?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 07:55:22 PM
That's not a "fact" though, its an opinion.

Was that your take on the lack of January spending too? He won't get much out of four or five new players so why bother?

You're making judgements on how much a manager could get out of new signings before he has had the chance to sign a single player himself.

How is that a "fact"?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 07:57:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 03:49:29 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.

if you want to split hairs

ts played 10 won one gd from memory -11

rg played 19 won two gd i think -22

so fail to win at swansea and garde is officially worse than sherwood

agreed?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 08:00:21 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 07:57:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 03:49:29 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.

if you want to split hairs

ts played 10 won one gd from memory -11

rg played 19 won two gd i think -22

so fail to win at swansea and garde is officially worse than sherwood

agreed?



That's not the same as "is worse than Sherwood", though, that's "will be worse than Sherwood if ...."

Agreed?

And what's more, if he loses at Swansea, that'll be: W2 D6 L12 = 0.6 points per game

Against Sherwood: W1 D1 L8 = 0.4 points per game

So, once again, you're factually wrong.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 07:55:22 PM
That's not a "fact" though, its an opinion.

Was that your take on the lack of January spending too? He won't get much out of four or five new players so why bother?

You're making judgements on how much a manager could get out of new signings before he has had the chance to sign a single player himself.

How is that a "fact"?


It's certainly a fact that that no team is going to mount a challenge with only half of them bothering however well his signings perform. He can't get anything out of the current players so why are they suddenly going to play for him in the Championship?? You may not have noticed, but a lot of the fucks up we regularly perform wil be punished just as badly in a division lower
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 08:05:38 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 07:55:22 PM
That's not a "fact" though, its an opinion.

Was that your take on the lack of January spending too? He won't get much out of four or five new players so why bother?

You're making judgements on how much a manager could get out of new signings before he has had the chance to sign a single player himself.

How is that a "fact"?


It's certainly a fact that that no team is going to mount a challenge with only half of them bothering however well his signings perform. He can't get anything out of the current players so why are they suddenly going to play for him in the Championship?? You may not have noticed, but a lot of the fucks up we regularly perform wil be punished just as badly in a division lower

You say "he can't get anything out of the players" and you've decided that is "all of the players".

As for having noticed a lot of these fuck ups will perform just as badly in the championship - no, I haven't "noticed" it at all, because it hasn't happened - once again, you're treating things which are opinion as fact.

Is Hutton good enough for the top flight? No.

Is he good enough for the championship? Possibly, yes.

If you are expecting 25 players out and 25 in this summer, then you are going to be disappointed, regardless of who is the manager.

How different do you think this team would be if - taking five of them - Bacuna, Hutton, Lescott, Richards and Gabby had been replaced with half useful players?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 08:00:21 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 07:57:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 03:49:29 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.

if you want to split hairs

ts played 10 won one gd from memory -11

rg played 19 won two gd i think -22

so fail to win at swansea and garde is officially worse than sherwood

agreed?



That's not the same as "is worse than Sherwood", though, that's "will be worse than Sherwood if ...."

Agreed?

fuck me

garde will be worse than sherwood IF we dont win at swansea

would you agree with that statement or should i use capital letters and full stops
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 13, 2016, 08:07:54 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 06:23:48 PM
I think some of you need a reality check, I don't care who the manager is or was with this squad we were always going to be relegated. The powers that be took a massive gamble last summer and it has blown up in our face, to bring in so many players that were untried in the premiership or at least a league equivalent to it has been shown to be a disaster and the biggest mistake of all was replacing our leading goal scorer with a donkey has proved fatal. Get of Gardes back his only mistake was in believing the players may have been better than what they turned out to be. As we saw today the effort was there but the players are simply not good enough at this level.

We took a massive gamble in the summer recruiting untried players, it blew up in our faces. And then we took the same gamble recruiting our manager. That has also blown up in our faces.

In large part, that's the clubs fault not Gardes. The teams performance itself is largely down to our poor players and general malaise at the club which has dragged us down for years, our brittle confidence is the fault of all the managers from Houllier onwards, not simply Garde alone.

But he has to take his share of the blame. If he is really incapable of having any effect whatsoever under his working conditions, he'll have to make way for someone else to try.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2016, 08:10:50 PM
The most damning thing for me is that every time the camera panned to him today, he was just sat there, silent and completely still. He's as bad as Agbonlahor.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard on March 13, 2016, 08:11:23 PM
It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 13, 2016, 08:11:51 PM
Surely Gardes record is worse over the same number of games as Sherwood?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 08:11:59 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 08:00:21 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 07:57:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 03:49:29 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.

if you want to split hairs

ts played 10 won one gd from memory -11

rg played 19 won two gd i think -22

so fail to win at swansea and garde is officially worse than sherwood

agreed?



That's not the same as "is worse than Sherwood", though, that's "will be worse than Sherwood if ...."

Agreed?

fuck me

garde will be worse than sherwood IF we dont win at swansea

would you agree with that statement or should i use capital letters and full stops

Use what you want, but take the effort to check the facts first, why not.

Quote
And what's more, if he loses at Swansea, that'll be: W2 D6 L12 = 0.6 points per game

Against Sherwood: W1 D1 L8 = 0.4 points per game

So, once again, you're factually wrong.

So, no, morse code, semaphore, English, drums, whatever your chosen mode of communication, if we lose against Swansea, Garde won't be mathematically worse than Sherwood, no.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on March 13, 2016, 08:12:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 13, 2016, 08:10:50 PM
The most damning thing for me is that every time the camera panned to him today, he was just sat there, silent and completely still. He's as bad as Agbonlahor.

I think he's in an extreme state of shock.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 13, 2016, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 08:00:21 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 07:57:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 03:49:29 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.

if you want to split hairs

ts played 10 won one gd from memory -11

rg played 19 won two gd i think -22

so fail to win at swansea and garde is officially worse than sherwood

agreed?



That's not the same as "is worse than Sherwood", though, that's "will be worse than Sherwood if ...."

Agreed?

fuck me

garde will be worse than sherwood IF we dont win at swansea

would you agree with that statement or should i use capital letters and full stops

At the very least Sherwood gave us a "new manager lift" last season that kept us in this league. Garde has done absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Legion on March 13, 2016, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: Richard on March 13, 2016, 08:11:23 PM
It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing

Pretty much spot on for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 13, 2016, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: Richard on March 13, 2016, 08:11:23 PM
It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing

Pretty much spot on for me.


Yes.

Whilst I don't doubt the ability of the morons fucking us up from the top down to continue doing so, at the same time, it's not going to take earth-shattering levels of investment to get us promoted back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 08:16:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 08:05:38 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 07:55:22 PM
That's not a "fact" though, its an opinion.

Was that your take on the lack of January spending too? He won't get much out of four or five new players so why bother?

You're making judgements on how much a manager could get out of new signings before he has had the chance to sign a single player himself.

How is that a "fact"?


It's certainly a fact that that no team is going to mount a challenge with only half of them bothering however well his signings perform. He can't get anything out of the current players so why are they suddenly going to play for him in the Championship?? You may not have noticed, but a lot of the fucks up we regularly perform wil be punished just as badly in a division lower

You say "he can't get anything out of the players" and you've decided that is "all of the players".

As for having noticed a lot of these fuck ups will perform just as badly in the championship - no, I haven't "noticed" it at all, because it hasn't happened - once again, you're treating things which are opinion as fact.

Is Hutton good enough for the top flight? No.

Is he good enough for the championship? Possibly, yes.

If you are expecting 25 players out and 25 in this summer, then you are going to be disappointed, regardless of who is the manager.

How different do you think this team would be if - taking five of them - Bacuna, Hutton, Lescott, Richards and Gabby had been replaced with half useful players?


Well my opinion is the way we've performed would get us beat by 2/3rds of the championship, probably more. I agree a lot of them are good enough for the championship but that's not the problem,The problem  is they won't or can't  play for garde.  They're lower premiership/championship players but that never stopped them surviving in the premier before .You can stick messi and ronaldo in for 2 of those 5 and all we'd get was a lot of 5-5 draws. Yes people like Hutton aren't good enough for the premier but they're not even playing at championship level for Garde and they are that good.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 13, 2016, 08:16:54 PM
If that Wolves SHA game is anything to go by then I'd agree.  Still not convinced by Remi though for some reason.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 13, 2016, 08:19:39 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 08:16:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 08:05:38 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 07:55:22 PM
That's not a "fact" though, its an opinion.

Was that your take on the lack of January spending too? He won't get much out of four or five new players so why bother?

You're making judgements on how much a manager could get out of new signings before he has had the chance to sign a single player himself.

How is that a "fact"?


It's certainly a fact that that no team is going to mount a challenge with only half of them bothering however well his signings perform. He can't get anything out of the current players so why are they suddenly going to play for him in the Championship?? You may not have noticed, but a lot of the fucks up we regularly perform wil be punished just as badly in a division lower

You say "he can't get anything out of the players" and you've decided that is "all of the players".

As for having noticed a lot of these fuck ups will perform just as badly in the championship - no, I haven't "noticed" it at all, because it hasn't happened - once again, you're treating things which are opinion as fact.

Is Hutton good enough for the top flight? No.

Is he good enough for the championship? Possibly, yes.

If you are expecting 25 players out and 25 in this summer, then you are going to be disappointed, regardless of who is the manager.

How different do you think this team would be if - taking five of them - Bacuna, Hutton, Lescott, Richards and Gabby had been replaced with half useful players?


Well my opinion is the way we've performed would get us beat by 2/3rds of the championship, probably more. I agree a lot of them are good enough for the championship but that's not the problem,The problem  is they won't or can't  play for garde.  They're lower premiership/championship players but that never stopped them surviving in the premier before .You can stick messi and ronaldo in for 2 of those 5 and all we'd get was a lot of 5-5 draws. Yes people like Hutton aren't good enough for the premier but they're not even playing at championship level for Garde and they are that good.

And didn't play for Sherwood save for about five games. Or K-Mac. Or Lambert in some cases. Or even McLeish and Houllier in one or two cases. But yeah, it's Garde's fault.

You seem to be forgetting that in the other seasons where they were good enough to survive in the Premier League that they had Benteke, or before him Bent up front. We now have Gestede.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: David_Nab on March 13, 2016, 08:23:44 PM
Quote from: walsall villain on March 13, 2016, 07:44:11 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2016, 06:33:31 PM
Graham Taylor on the radio, said it was the first time he's seen us live this season and he was surprised to see the lack of effort being shown. Players standing around, hands on hips, looking at other players, shit body language, general negativity.....he sounded quite sad.
I didn't see it that way today. I thought they tried and worked quite hard but crossing was, as usual, crap and they had far better players than us (obviously). Even when we had one or two clear chances we contrived to miss and we were so easily carved open by there speed of thought and movement. Our squad, with Traore and Amavi injured, completely lacks pace so all our attempts at attacking are ponderous.

Thats how I saw it .We try but the midfield bar Gana is too slow and physically lighweight they don't protect the defence and contribute little going forward.

Beyond that its 20 games we have lost , mentally the players are shot.I think some of them aren't good enough anyway but losing constantly has killed their confidence.Thats another reason we needed new players in Jan we needed some players to come in not tainted with constantly losing.

As for Garde I did see him with Lescott telling him and defence to push up ,but they kept dropping team allowing Spurs to thread balls through, I don't he lacks passion he just has a team that have nothing left to give
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 08:24:12 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 13, 2016, 08:19:39 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 08:16:20 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 08:05:38 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 08:00:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 07:55:22 PM
That's not a "fact" though, its an opinion.

Was that your take on the lack of January spending too? He won't get much out of four or five new players so why bother?

You're making judgements on how much a manager could get out of new signings before he has had the chance to sign a single player himself.

How is that a "fact"?


It's certainly a fact that that no team is going to mount a challenge with only half of them bothering however well his signings perform. He can't get anything out of the current players so why are they suddenly going to play for him in the Championship?? You may not have noticed, but a lot of the fucks up we regularly perform wil be punished just as badly in a division lower

You say "he can't get anything out of the players" and you've decided that is "all of the players".

As for having noticed a lot of these fuck ups will perform just as badly in the championship - no, I haven't "noticed" it at all, because it hasn't happened - once again, you're treating things which are opinion as fact.

Is Hutton good enough for the top flight? No.

Is he good enough for the championship? Possibly, yes.

If you are expecting 25 players out and 25 in this summer, then you are going to be disappointed, regardless of who is the manager.

How different do you think this team would be if - taking five of them - Bacuna, Hutton, Lescott, Richards and Gabby had been replaced with half useful players?


Well my opinion is the way we've performed would get us beat by 2/3rds of the championship, probably more. I agree a lot of them are good enough for the championship but that's not the problem,The problem  is they won't or can't  play for garde.  They're lower premiership/championship players but that never stopped them surviving in the premier before .You can stick messi and ronaldo in for 2 of those 5 and all we'd get was a lot of 5-5 draws. Yes people like Hutton aren't good enough for the premier but they're not even playing at championship level for Garde and they are that good.

And didn't play for Sherwood save for about five games. Or K-Mac. Or Lambert in some cases. Or even McLeish and Houllier in one or two cases. But yeah, it's Garde's fault.

You seem to be forgetting that in the other seasons where they were good enough to survive in the Premier League that they had Benteke, or before him Bent up front. We now have Gestede.

I never denied he had a shitty hand from when he first arrived. My problem is he's doing worse with the shitty hand than could ever be imagined. As someone who realises he will need to use a lot of the same shitty hand next season, I'd rather let someone else buy the new players and hope he can't get slightly more out of the existing players
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 13, 2016, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: Richard on March 13, 2016, 08:11:23 PM
It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing

Pretty much spot on for me.

Thats more likely a list of the players first out the door. As if lerner is going to turn down 1 half decent offer for Ayew etc..
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 13, 2016, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 13, 2016, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: Richard on March 13, 2016, 08:11:23 PM
It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing

Pretty much spot on for me.

Thats more likely a list of the players first out the door. As if lerner is going to turn down 1 half decent offer for Ayew etc..
The consensus seems to be that it's been our foreign signings who've got us into this mess (not true of course). I'd also imagine there will be takers for many of them, whilst a few will surely want to jump ship. I think the Jordan's (bar Amavi...inititally, but probably in Jan) will probably be sold.

The squad come August will look very different I think. The key thing will be that we find some consistency in our acquisitions. We need to build a team. The signings last summer were just too much of a hodge-podge. There seemed no dicernable plan, and we didn't adequately replace the players we lost, even with spending over 50 million.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on March 13, 2016, 09:53:32 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 13, 2016, 08:11:51 PM
Surely Gardes record is worse over the same number of games as Sherwood?
It is now but a useless comparison. It's asking if Cyanide is worse than Polonium.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: olaftab on March 13, 2016, 09:55:10 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 13, 2016, 08:12:25 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 13, 2016, 08:10:50 PM
The most damning thing for me is that every time the camera panned to him today, he was just sat there, silent and completely still. He's as bad as Agbonlahor.

I think he's in an extreme state of shock.
No I don't think so that is if you are serious. The man is sitting pretty on a few million pounds from us whatever happens. It's easy money.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 09:57:11 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 13, 2016, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 13, 2016, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: Richard on March 13, 2016, 08:11:23 PM
It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing

Pretty much spot on for me.

Thats more likely a list of the players first out the door. As if lerner is going to turn down 1 half decent offer for Ayew etc..
The consensus seems to be that it's been our foreign signings who've got us into this mess (not true of course). I'd also imagine there will be takers for many of them, whilst a few will surely want to jump ship. I think the Jordan's (bar Amavi...inititally, but probably in Jan) will probably be sold.

The squad come August will look very different I think. The key thing will be that we find some consistency in our acquisitions. We need to build a team. The signings last summer were just too much of a hodge-podge. There seemed no dicernable plan, and we didn't adequately replace the players we lost, even with spending over 50 million.

i don't think the foreign players have been the cause of the mess. Not sure many people do. mebbe they were signed a year too early but then they could have been out of our reach. I think most of them have enough credit in the bank to attract bids from abroad. I really don't think most of them will be here and that list is cloud cuckoo land. We've been moaning about Lerner's cut the wages budget for donkeys years and arguing that could threaten our premiership position and he never listened. I think he will go all out to accept any offers for them and we'll be left with the ones we can't offload, and again, we need someone who can get something out of them. Garde ain't it
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 13, 2016, 09:59:40 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 13, 2016, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2016, 08:00:21 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 07:57:28 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 03:49:29 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2016, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 13, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.

if you want to split hairs

ts played 10 won one gd from memory -11

rg played 19 won two gd i think -22

so fail to win at swansea and garde is officially worse than sherwood

agreed?



That's not the same as "is worse than Sherwood", though, that's "will be worse than Sherwood if ...."

Agreed?

fuck me

garde will be worse than sherwood IF we dont win at swansea

would you agree with that statement or should i use capital letters and full stops

At the very least Sherwood gave us a "new manager lift" last season that kept us in this league. Garde has done absolutely nothing.

Well yes, or we lost a couple and were struggling and then Benteke got fit.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 13, 2016, 10:04:47 PM
The players aren't playing crap out of choice. They're playing crap because they are crap. They are not capable of playing better. Getting rid of Garde isn't going to change that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2016, 10:04:48 PM
If you base what you see now as any kind of indication that it will exactly the same in the Championship, then 1) take a look at championship football and 2) take a good look at who is at the top of that division as an indication of what it takes to be at the top. Two of those sides were relegated last season yet by keeping a good core of the same players are doing just fine. What we have to do is not only rid ourselves of certain players but more importantly the stench of this season and all it represents. Garde needs a fresh start be it in the PL or Championship. And if it is a division lower then we don't need massive change to give ourselves a solid chance of coming back up. It's hard to see now but let's not make the Championship out to be this frightening proposition. It's not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 13, 2016, 10:05:05 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 09:57:11 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 13, 2016, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 13, 2016, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: Legion on March 13, 2016, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: Richard on March 13, 2016, 08:11:23 PM
It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing

Pretty much spot on for me.

Thats more likely a list of the players first out the door. As if lerner is going to turn down 1 half decent offer for Ayew etc..
The consensus seems to be that it's been our foreign signings who've got us into this mess (not true of course). I'd also imagine there will be takers for many of them, whilst a few will surely want to jump ship. I think the Jordan's (bar Amavi...inititally, but probably in Jan) will probably be sold.

The squad come August will look very different I think. The key thing will be that we find some consistency in our acquisitions. We need to build a team. The signings last summer were just too much of a hodge-podge. There seemed no dicernable plan, and we didn't adequately replace the players we lost, even with spending over 50 million.

i don't think the foreign players have been the cause of the mess. Not sure many people do. mebbe they were signed a year too early but then they could have been out of our reach. I think most of them have enough credit in the bank to attract bids from abroad. I really don't think most of them will be here and that list is cloud cuckoo land. We've been moaning about Lerner's cut the wages budget for donkeys years and arguing that could threaten our premiership position and he never listened. I think he will go all out to accept any offers for them and we'll be left with the ones we can't offload, and again, we need someone who can get something out of them. Garde ain't it
The press and many pundits seem to suggest so, that our signings have almost all been poor and the Frenchies haven't been able to settle. Whilst that is indeed not particularly accurate, that sort of guff still filters through to the club, and noises (apparently) from the club, seem to suggest we're not entirely satisfied with how most of these players have performed. To be honest not one of our signings has been anything close to good. We've seen patches from the Jordans (Amavi was unfortunate of course) whilst Gana has largely been mediocre (good today to be fair).

Are any of the 2015 signings what you could possibly call the future of the club? Probably not. There's going to be a fire sale for a number of reasons and not least because Randy will want to claw back as much money as possible.

And yes. Garde has to go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Des Little on March 13, 2016, 10:09:39 PM
Never since the introduction of beer goggles has Steve Bruce looked more attractive
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 13, 2016, 10:12:47 PM
Quote from: ez on March 13, 2016, 10:04:47 PM
The players aren't playing crap out of choice. They're playing crap because they are crap. They are not capable of playing better. Getting rid of Garde isn't going to change that.
They are largely shit but I don't see it as purely that. Compare our squad to Bournemouth. We have more individual talent. But there was a league table recently that showed miles covered by each team. Bournemouth were top. We were bottom. Now it's not all about running around like a maniac of course, but it's clear that they're put their heart and soul into this season and have exceeded their expectations by a long, long way. They're safe in mid-March. Hats off, applause, well done. Hard work. Unity. Enthusiasm. Those things go a long way in this league. There are many sides who are full off duffers that without the right attitude could easily struggle. What will keep some sides up at the expense of perhaps more talented sides who may go down, is simply down to application. Good man-management, dedicated players and cohesion. We have absolutely none of that. I don't think the current Aston Villa squad is the worst top flight side on paper. Not by a long shot. Aside from Newcastle, it's the must fractured squad with the most appallingly toxic attitude and is not performing anywhere close to potential. We should be duffing around aimlessly in 15th place, which isn't brilliant, but we've not worked hard enough, so we're rock bottom.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 13, 2016, 10:16:18 PM
Quote from: Des Little on March 13, 2016, 10:09:39 PM
Never since the introduction of beer goggles has Steve Bruce looked more attractive
Jesus. It's sad. But what's frightening is, he's probably a reasonable bet for getting us out of the championship or at least stabilising us.
That said, not with a 10 foot barge pole. Bruce looks like a heart attack waiting to happen and walking into this football club would be bonkers in his state. We need a young spunky manager rolling on a bit of success who can bring us into the 21st century and motivate the squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: rob_bridge on March 13, 2016, 10:23:45 PM
As long as we have Guzan, Clark, Bacuna, Westwood, Lescott, Gabby, Richards, Richardson and Hutton near the first team as higher earners it dosen't matter if we had Clough/Shankley/Stein/Ramsey reincarnated we can not move one. All of them have to be binned. All of Them. No Ifs No Buts - No so and so should be given another chance. Sherwood was right in one regard there is a stench and an acceptance of failure at the club. Start with the key personnel.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 10:44:41 PM
One point I would take issue with is comparing Gardes record with TS over the same period of time, as in another thread I would point out that TS had Delph, Cleverley and Benteke at his disposal all three better players than any other in our present squad. As for a new manager he would probably think he could turn Gabby into a footballer so we would have all the troublemakers still at the club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 13, 2016, 11:32:07 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 10:44:41 PM
One point I would take issue with is comparing Gardes record with TS over the same period of time, as in another thread I would point out that TS had Delph, Cleverley and Benteke at his disposal all three better players than any other in our present squad. As for a new manager he would probably think he could turn Gabby into a footballer so we would have all the troublemakers still at the club.

Thing is if you compare Sherwoods overall record it's better than Gardes. Which is why people compare Sherwoods record this season with the same players.

On that basis Garde is slightly ahead, .2 points per game, of the form that was so abysmal it got Sherwood the sack when he had credit in the bank from keeping us up and getting us to an FA cup final. Garde has no credit in the bank and I imagine is statistically our worst ever manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 13, 2016, 11:44:10 PM
As one of the mods said on another thread, Sherwood's record is slightly better than Garde's at this point. I'm fairly sure it won't be by the end of the season though. I can only see us picking up 19 points, draws against Bormuff, Barcodes and Saints. And I'm being optimistic. Whether Garde survives (or walks before being pushed) is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 13, 2016, 11:49:30 PM
Quote from: django on March 13, 2016, 11:32:07 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 13, 2016, 10:44:41 PM
One point I would take issue with is comparing Gardes record with TS over the same period of time, as in another thread I would point out that TS had Delph, Cleverley and Benteke at his disposal all three better players than any other in our present squad. As for a new manager he would probably think he could turn Gabby into a footballer so we would have all the troublemakers still at the club.

Thing is if you compare Sherwoods overall record it's better than Gardes. Which is why people compare Sherwoods record this season with the same players.

On that basis Garde is slightly ahead, .2 points per game, of the form that was so abysmal it got Sherwood the sack when he had credit in the bank from keeping us up and getting us to an FA cup final. Garde has no credit in the bank and I imagine is statistically our worst ever manager.

However, what also needs to be taken into account, is the fact that it was Sherwood who signed a lot of these players. Depending on what you believe about the international signings, at the very least he signed Richards, Lescott and Gestede. That's right, he signed Gestede as our main hope of scoring goals this season. So for that alone, he is far, far more culpable than Garde for the situation we are in.

And before anybody wants to say he wasn't who Sherwood wanted, here's what he had to say upon signing him.

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"I've known about Rudy since he was at Cardiff and he is a player I've always admired," said Sherwood. "His goalscoring ratio last season was fantastic and he is someone who certainly knows how to find the back of the net."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on March 14, 2016, 01:43:40 AM
Sherwood inherited some decent players and one world class one who were woefully underperforming alongside some poor players.

Garde inherited poor players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 14, 2016, 03:17:06 AM
With this squad it's difficult to say if its his fault, (possibly) the players fault ( definitely ) or both.
Whoevers fault it is, with the changes at board level and presumably the sackings about to come, we need a clean start. The majority of the squad need to go ( some will really want to , and the rest by and large need to be moved on )we need a new man to take us forward.
I don't blame remi for our position, but he is,in the last 4 months of our awfulness, in charge, and as so partly responsible for our relegation.
Clean sweep all round and a breath of new hope for next year.




Who that is God only knows. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 14, 2016, 05:02:22 AM
Dream Team         Actual

New signing            Bunn
New signing            Hutton   
Amavi                      Amavi
Okore                      Clark
New signing             Lescott
Sanchez                  Westwood
Gana                       Gardner
Grealish                   Lyden
Traore                     Sinclair
Ayew                       Gestede
New signing            New signing
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 14, 2016, 05:03:17 AM
Substitutes Gabby and 5 walking lamp posts
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 14, 2016, 06:47:31 AM
Agree with your reality check team Kuwait except I think it will be Baker for Lescott and Green for New Signing.  Manager? New Signing.  Performance of the reality check team?  Play offs knocked out in first play off by Wolves. Owner?  Consortium of Taipei seafood processors with Gabby on the board as an advisor.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 14, 2016, 07:23:07 AM
Hey watch it Brian I'm married to a Thai, nothing wrong with dodgy Thais lol or as they would write 555
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Walmley_Villa on March 14, 2016, 07:29:47 AM
My worry with Garde is that he is now tarnished as part of the club's decline and with the possible relegation hangover to come would we not be better off with sweeping out the old and getting somebody in that can re-energise the club like Sir Graham did. Who that person is however is the million dollar question.
What I do know is that we have to clear out the losing mentality that is currently part of our DNA.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VicMackey on March 14, 2016, 07:31:15 AM
Garde just doesn't do it for me.  He seems a very nice chap but he's like a rabbit in the headlights - I don't think he really appreciated what he was walking into.  It's going to take a long time for his managerial reputation to recover (if ever).  If he was genuinely trying to get in new players in January and was prevented by the board then he should have walked.  As it is, I can't see him surviving the bloodletting at the end of the season. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on March 14, 2016, 07:39:33 AM
There is absolutely no doubt at all he should have walked straight after the January window.His reputation was very high wth the support and no one blamed him at all for the demise of the club

Now he is seen as part of it.A man who is hanging on to pick up big money

Just like Gabby in fact!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 14, 2016, 07:42:17 AM
Sorry Kuwait, thought you were a bachelor.  Duly amended.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: MattW on March 14, 2016, 09:52:56 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on March 14, 2016, 07:39:33 AM
There is absolutely no doubt at all he should have walked straight after the January window.His reputation was very high wth the support and no one blamed him at all for the demise of the club

Now he is seen as part of it.A man who is hanging on to pick up big money

Just like Gabby in fact!

I don't agree that is what he is doing. These comments (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5417618,00.html) about Green seem genuine. He would play a youngish team in the Championship.

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Rémi Garde was pleased to see Andre Green produce some "good moments" in his Barclays Premier League debut against Tottenham.

Green was a high point in the defeat to Spurs, as a brace from Harry Kane earned the visitors the victory.

The 17-year-old, from Birmingham, has been starring for the U18s and U21s this season - and was called up to the senior set-up at the end of the previous campaign - even travelling to Portugal for pre-season.

He's bided his time - and got his chance with just under half an hour to go against second-placed Spurs, who are chasing the top-flight title.

Green potentially offered a small glimpse into the future - and Garde was pleased with his contribution.

He said: "It's not a good time - a good environment - for young players to start in the first team.

"But I saw Andre training well.

"And I saw he has physical ability to make him very close to the standard I require for Premier League football.

"I am very pleased he made his debut.

"He did some good stuff, even though it wasn't easy for him.

"It's good news for Aston Villa if Andre continues to train well and continues to show the good attitude.

"He's a long way from being a regular player but he's showing good commitment in sessions and around the complex."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on March 14, 2016, 09:59:49 AM
Quote from: supertom on March 13, 2016, 10:12:47 PM
Quote from: ez on March 13, 2016, 10:04:47 PM
The players aren't playing crap out of choice. They're playing crap because they are crap. They are not capable of playing better. Getting rid of Garde isn't going to change that.
They are largely shit but I don't see it as purely that. Compare our squad to Bournemouth. We have more individual talent. But there was a league table recently that showed miles covered by each team. Bournemouth were top. We were bottom. Now it's not all about running around like a maniac of course, but it's clear that they're put their heart and soul into this season and have exceeded their expectations by a long, long way. They're safe in mid-March. Hats off, applause, well done. Hard work. Unity. Enthusiasm. Those things go a long way in this league. There are many sides who are full off duffers that without the right attitude could easily struggle. What will keep some sides up at the expense of perhaps more talented sides who may go down, is simply down to application. Good man-management, dedicated players and cohesion. We have absolutely none of that. I don't think the current Aston Villa squad is the worst top flight side on paper. Not by a long shot. Aside from Newcastle, it's the must fractured squad with the most appallingly toxic attitude and is not performing anywhere close to potential. We should be duffing around aimlessly in 15th place, which isn't brilliant, but we've not worked hard enough, so we're rock bottom.

As good a post as I've seen on the subject.

Garde inherited a dog's dinner, but he is falling short in far too may key areas.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 14, 2016, 10:30:03 AM
Quote from: Matt C on March 14, 2016, 01:43:40 AM
Sherwood inherited some decent players and one world class one who were woefully underperforming alongside some poor players.

Garde inherited poor players.

Some other managers have taken over teams of poor players, including;

Les reed 'worst manager ever' 0.57 points per game (only got 7 games before sack)

Pepe Mel 1.1 points per game

John carver 0.65 points per game

Garde is currently at 0.63. Not his players certainly, hands tied and all that. But he is amongst the worst performing managers in the history of the premier league and not good enough for us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on March 14, 2016, 11:44:25 AM
Quote from: Risso on March 13, 2016, 08:10:50 PM
The most damning thing for me is that every time the camera panned to him today, he was just sat there, silent and completely still. He's as bad as Agbonlahor.

No he didn't. Didn't you see when he was explaining the play to his assistant (presumably about how he wanted them to play) and a player not doing it. It was clear as anything to see. So your statement is not correct. Perhaps you missed it, or perhaps not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 11:46:06 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on March 14, 2016, 11:44:25 AM
Quote from: Risso on March 13, 2016, 08:10:50 PM
The most damning thing for me is that every time the camera panned to him today, he was just sat there, silent and completely still. He's as bad as Agbonlahor.

No he didn't. Didn't you see when he was explaining the play to his assistant (presumably about how he wanted them to play) and a player not doing it. It was clear as anything to see. So your statement is not correct. Perhaps you missed it, or perhaps not.

And the break in play for Westwood's injury where he was up explaining something to Lescott.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on March 14, 2016, 11:56:36 AM
I think that he was saying he wanted players to be closing down a lot quicker which comes back to a lack of application.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: conman on March 14, 2016, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 14, 2016, 11:56:36 AM
I think that he was saying he wanted players to be closing down a lot quicker which comes back to a lack of application.
and why do the players take no notice of what he says
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 12:07:25 PM
Quote from: conman on March 14, 2016, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 14, 2016, 11:56:36 AM
I think that he was saying he wanted players to be closing down a lot quicker which comes back to a lack of application.
and why do the players take no notice of what he says

Same reason they took no notice of what Sherwood, MacDonald, Lambert, McLeish or Houllier said - a sizeable number of them couldn't care less, and another sizeable number of them aren't capable of carrying out the instructions.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 14, 2016, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: conman on March 14, 2016, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 14, 2016, 11:56:36 AM
I think that he was saying he wanted players to be closing down a lot quicker which comes back to a lack of application.
and why do the players take no notice of what he says

Because he's not a good manager
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: conman on March 14, 2016, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 14, 2016, 12:30:40 PM
Quote from: conman on March 14, 2016, 12:06:08 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 14, 2016, 11:56:36 AM
I think that he was saying he wanted players to be closing down a lot quicker which comes back to a lack of application.
and why do the players take no notice of what he says

Because he's not a good manager
correct
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 14, 2016, 12:37:32 PM
I think some of  our support has Stockholm syndrome when it comes to Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on March 14, 2016, 12:40:08 PM
I'm not too bothered whether he is ranting or sitting silently. Saunders never ranted but the players new exactly what was expected of them.  That is why he is a poor manager the players clearly do not know  what he wants of them,which is a basic requirement.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on March 14, 2016, 01:41:22 PM
People seem to like to compare managers or players to demonstrate a point but very rarely take into account the differing circumstances that make the comparison almost invalid. Trouble is, the more people say it, the more they and others believe it.

I have even seen Garde being compared with McNeill. Ignoring the almost 30 years of footballing difference between them, you only have to compare the playing squads against the competition to see the unlevel playing field.  Bringing it up to date and the so called new manager bounce. As others have commented, Benteke et al. have no comparison in the current squad. Even more up to date, the lack of options Garde has now compared with Sherwood at the beginning of the season. Although a hot or cold player, Sanchez is badly missed as was Ayew when he was suspended. Add in the rapidly declining confidence and you see comparisons are not being made on the same basis.

I've said it before that the alternative always seems better than the current when things are not going well. I cannot be sure what they saw in Garde to appoint him and knew little of him but having read up on him, it seemed as though he was a good fit to rebuild the squad from the bottom based on his experience. I still believe so and hope that, if that was the reason, he is given the chance to bring Villa back to modern day football.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Fred on March 14, 2016, 01:44:10 PM
I think for one reason or another we will need a new manager for the fight to get back up (oh for a sir Graham Mk2). Tom Fox too will have to go as he appointed Garde and Sherwood.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on March 14, 2016, 03:38:32 PM
I will be happy if Garde stays as I think he could do a good job of rebuilding the club from the bottom up if given the time and resources. However, it won't be the end of my world if he goes
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 14, 2016, 03:40:29 PM
Do we need a change to build some momentum and to give hope going in to the Championship?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 14, 2016, 03:40:29 PM
Do we need a change to build some momentum and to give hope going in to the Championship?
We definitely need a change but I think we're beyond building momentum now. I can't see us, regardless of Remi going now or in May (the latter is pretty much a given) picking up many points. Remi will leave, I'd personally let him go now and let a caretaker see us through the last 8 games. We need to be resigned to the inevitable now and the last 8 games should be played without pressure and perhaps the shackles off. Maybe Sid and Brian in unison for the last 8 games.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 14, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 14, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: ez on March 14, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.
They are able to though. And you can't excuse the awful team selections and tactical deficiencies. The squad isn't very good, but it shouldn't be as piss awful as it has been, and we're not the 20th worst squad in the Premier League on paper. We're just the most feckless, woefully run and managed side in the top flight.
Every manager at every club across the world has to take responsibility for that teams results. That's what you sign up for when you take up the job. Sometimes circumstances are tough. Sometimes you get a raw deal, but you still have to get the best out of what you have. I don't think Remi is getting that. Not even close. Would we stay up if this lot were playing to their best? Maybe not, but at the very least we should be going down fighting.
Yes this is 90% Randy's fault for being a feck brained cretin, but Remi has been atrocious. All excuses aside he's been atrocious.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: malckennedy on March 14, 2016, 05:38:04 PM
Yesterday's performance was a whole lot better than of late, mainly because the likes of Bacuna and Agbonlahor were not playing. Whilst I wouldn't claim that we were not deservedly beaten it is disingenuous of the BBC and others to simply state that "Villa only mustered 2 shots on target" while deliberately failing to point out that 3 others (Ayew, Gestede and Lescott) hit the frame of the goal. This was lazy, easy reporting on the basis that nobody will complain if I just print the same old shit regardless of the performance. Unfortunately many of our fans do the same.

This was an improved performance, albeit with some familiar errors, and it is not fair to pretend otherwise.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on March 14, 2016, 05:38:34 PM
Quote from: ez on March 14, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.

Only if you accept that a manager cannot have any impact on a player's performance.

I don't have any strong feelings either for or against him remaining our manager next season, but if we were to accept that Garde is blameless for the players being hopeless and that there is nothing that he is able to do to improve them, then what was the point in getting rid of the last guy?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on March 14, 2016, 05:40:16 PM
Quote from: Dave on March 14, 2016, 05:38:34 PM
Quote from: ez on March 14, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.

Only if you accept that a manager cannot have any impact on a player's performance.

I don't have any strong feelings either for or against him remaining our manager next season, but if we were to accept that Garde is blameless for the players being hopeless and that there is nothing that he is able to do to improve them, then what was the point in getting rid of the last guy?
Spot on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 14, 2016, 05:45:59 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on March 14, 2016, 05:40:16 PM
Quote from: Dave on March 14, 2016, 05:38:34 PM
Quote from: ez on March 14, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.

Only if you accept that a manager cannot have any impact on a player's performance.

I don't have any strong feelings either for or against him remaining our manager next season, but if we were to accept that Garde is blameless for the players being hopeless and that there is nothing that he is able to do to improve them, then what was the point in getting rid of the last guy?
Spot on.


It's just another incredibly bad decision in the sea of bad decisions. I'm not saying that we should stuck with Tim, I'm saying  that we seem to have got it wrong twice! Given a choice, I think I'd have another go at getting it right, especially with slightly more football brained people on the board now. Oh, and I'd be inclined to do it now. Sorry Remi.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ez on March 14, 2016, 05:47:33 PM
Quote from: Dave on March 14, 2016, 05:38:34 PM
Quote from: ez on March 14, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.

Only if you accept that a manager cannot have any impact on a player's performance.

I don't have any strong feelings either for or against him remaining our manager next season, but if we were to accept that Garde is blameless for the players being hopeless and that there is nothing that he is able to do to improve them, then what was the point in getting rid of the last guy?

No point at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2016, 06:12:54 PM
Thing is with decisions they are not obviously good or bad ones at the time. Garde seemed a good decision at the time. He came with a pretty decent CV and he was taking over from Sherwood. Plus he wasn't Pulis or Warnock or Curbs or Pearson or Jewell or Brown or Strachan etc etc. So in hindsight it hasn't worked out. Partly down to him but also down to the clowns who hired him and the mess they have made of things and much of it down to the players he needs to manage with their deep rooted psychological issues. If you could invent a shit storm it would look a lot like what we are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on March 14, 2016, 06:20:53 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 14, 2016, 03:40:29 PM
Do we need a change to build some momentum and to give hope going in to the Championship?
We definitely need a change but I think we're beyond building momentum now. I can't see us, regardless of Remi going now or in May (the latter is pretty much a given) picking up many points. Remi will leave, I'd personally let him go now and let a caretaker see us through the last 8 games. We need to be resigned to the inevitable now and the last 8 games should be played without pressure and perhaps the shackles off. Maybe Sid and Brian in unison for the last 8 games.
The last person I'd change right now is the manager. The people above and around him need removing and then let's see how good he is. We need to see him operating in tandem with a propoerly-qualified board, with a coherent club and playing strategy, a bunch of motivated players, a decent coaching staff and a player-acquisition policy and youth-development approach that enables a distinctive playing style to be developed over a period of years.
In short, a rootand-branches overhaul.

Amateur night has to end.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 14, 2016, 06:21:53 PM
There is no way the board will even consider replacing a manager who has not been allowed to sign not ONE single player.  Remi may walk and there is not any fair minded person who would blame him but they will not sack him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2016, 06:43:59 PM
I agree Brian. They are not going to fire him. But I don't think he'll quit either. As horrendous as it has been I think he'll be backed to conduct the clear out in the summer. I think he's made his point to the board about what needs fixing and he'll be backed to do it. I think relegation will see a much needed clear out all across the club. That's why Hollis has brought in King, Little and Bernstein when he has.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 14, 2016, 07:01:51 PM
Agree TV. What also has to be taken into account is that two massive heavyweights like Mervyn King and David Bernstein are not going to put their reputations at risk playing the crazy dice rolling games that have gone on for the last six years. If Steve Hollis sucks his teeth at the sums of money Remi asks for, King and Bernstein will mark his card of that I am certain.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
hah! Since when has Hollis had any control on what we spend? It's Lerner and if King and Bernstein don't like it they will go. Anyway, i'm not sure a Governor of the Bank of England was brought in to encourage a splurge of spending while we're losing millions. The opposite i would have thought.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
hah! Since when has Hollis had any control on what we spend?

Since he was appointed as Chairman?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2016, 07:24:45 PM
Which is something he defined quite clearly shortly after he took the position.

Steve Hollis interview (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:26:49 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
hah! Since when has Hollis had any control on what we spend?

Since he was appointed as Chairman?

He's employed by Lerner and follows Lerner's wishes. Do you really think if garde asks to keep the likes of Ayew when we get relegated and another 20m on top for new players, Hollis would be in a position to okay it whatever he thinks personally?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 14, 2016, 07:28:06 PM
Quote from: Mister E on March 14, 2016, 06:20:53 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 14, 2016, 03:40:29 PM
Do we need a change to build some momentum and to give hope going in to the Championship?
We definitely need a change but I think we're beyond building momentum now. I can't see us, regardless of Remi going now or in May (the latter is pretty much a given) picking up many points. Remi will leave, I'd personally let him go now and let a caretaker see us through the last 8 games. We need to be resigned to the inevitable now and the last 8 games should be played without pressure and perhaps the shackles off. Maybe Sid and Brian in unison for the last 8 games.
The last person I'd change right now is the manager. The people above and around him need removing and then let's see how good he is. We need to see him operating in tandem with a propoerly-qualified board, with a coherent club and playing strategy, a bunch of motivated players, a decent coaching staff and a player-acquisition policy and youth-development approach that enables a distinctive playing style to be developed over a period of years.
In short, a rootand-branches overhaul.

Amateur night has to end.
The only way forward is an overhaul this summer with a genuinely effective and realistic plan put into place to rebuild the club. I still think Remi will end up walking. He just seems to have had all enthusiasm beaten out of him and he's had no idea how to get the best of the limited talent at his disposal. I think it's too much to ask for him to come back rejuvenated in July, ready to build a squad almost entirely from scratch (because he appears to have lost almost every player, and those who still perform for him are likely to leave). Remi has the look of a manager who needs a year off before he comes back into the game. He just looks utterly defeated. I don't think there's anyway back for him at this club.

Of course until Randy buggers off we're pretty much on a hiding to nothing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2016, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:26:49 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
hah! Since when has Hollis had any control on what we spend?

Since he was appointed as Chairman?

He's employed by Lerner and follows Lerner's wishes. Do you really think if garde asks to keep the likes of Ayew when we get relegated and another 20m on top for new players, Hollis would be in a position to okay it whatever he thinks personally?

Read the article. He's going to sanction spending as any chairman would. Joe Lewis owns Tottenham. Daniel Levy makes decisions in the same way Hollis will have the power to do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:30:24 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2016, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:26:49 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
hah! Since when has Hollis had any control on what we spend?

Since he was appointed as Chairman?

He's employed by Lerner and follows Lerner's wishes. Do you really think if garde asks to keep the likes of Ayew when we get relegated and another 20m on top for new players, Hollis would be in a position to okay it whatever he thinks personally?

Read the article. He's going to sanction spending as any chairman would. Joe Lewis owns Tottenham. Daniel Levy makes decisions in the same way Hollis will have the power to do.


Within his remit. He can't just spend money that Lerner hasn't budgeted for.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 14, 2016, 07:31:50 PM
That interview is completely at odds with what is happening in reality. The relationship between Fox and Remi is the most important? Yet he wasn't supported in the transfer market.  Remove the negativity? Sorry, but it's got far worse. Censorship rules ok.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2016, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:30:24 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2016, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:26:49 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
hah! Since when has Hollis had any control on what we spend?

Since he was appointed as Chairman?

He's employed by Lerner and follows Lerner's wishes. Do you really think if garde asks to keep the likes of Ayew when we get relegated and another 20m on top for new players, Hollis would be in a position to okay it whatever he thinks personally?

Read the article. He's going to sanction spending as any chairman would. Joe Lewis owns Tottenham. Daniel Levy makes decisions in the same way Hollis will have the power to do.


Within his remit. He can't just spend money that Lerner hasn't budgeted for.

Randy isn't doing the budgeting. That's the point. The board is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:35:35 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:30:24 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2016, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:26:49 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
hah! Since when has Hollis had any control on what we spend?

Since he was appointed as Chairman?

He's employed by Lerner and follows Lerner's wishes. Do you really think if garde asks to keep the likes of Ayew when we get relegated and another 20m on top for new players, Hollis would be in a position to okay it whatever he thinks personally?

Read the article. He's going to sanction spending as any chairman would. Joe Lewis owns Tottenham. Daniel Levy makes decisions in the same way Hollis will have the power to do.


Within his remit. He can't just spend money that Lerner hasn't budgeted for.

So he doesn't have "no control over the money we spend", does he? Now you're saying he has control over the money we spend within his remit. Which is it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:36:20 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2016, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:30:24 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2016, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:26:49 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
hah! Since when has Hollis had any control on what we spend?

Since he was appointed as Chairman?

He's employed by Lerner and follows Lerner's wishes. Do you really think if garde asks to keep the likes of Ayew when we get relegated and another 20m on top for new players, Hollis would be in a position to okay it whatever he thinks personally?

Read the article. He's going to sanction spending as any chairman would. Joe Lewis owns Tottenham. Daniel Levy makes decisions in the same way Hollis will have the power to do.


Within his remit. He can't just spend money that Lerner hasn't budgeted for.

Randy isn't doing the budgeting. That's the point. The board is.


Yes within our means which is sweet f.a.  unless you think they can just withdraw cash from Lerner's bank account to fund us and he just goes "nothing to do with me"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 14, 2016, 07:37:59 PM
You have to ask what sort of budget whoever is controlling it will have. I'm no accountant but Randy's cut up his credit card, we've just reported a 20m loss and we're about to drop out of the richest league in the world with only a parachute payment to live on. How much are we likely to be spending?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:40:00 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:35:35 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:30:24 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2016, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:26:49 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
hah! Since when has Hollis had any control on what we spend?

Since he was appointed as Chairman?

He's employed by Lerner and follows Lerner's wishes. Do you really think if garde asks to keep the likes of Ayew when we get relegated and another 20m on top for new players, Hollis would be in a position to okay it whatever he thinks personally?

Read the article. He's going to sanction spending as any chairman would. Joe Lewis owns Tottenham. Daniel Levy makes decisions in the same way Hollis will have the power to do.


Within his remit. He can't just spend money that Lerner hasn't budgeted for.

So he doesn't have "no control over the money we spend", does he? Now you're saying he has control over the money we spend within his remit. Which is it?


okay he has control of the money the club generates. So that's erm.......well let's just say don't expect many signings this summer unlss they're free or funded by sales
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 14, 2016, 07:41:51 PM
I think we can probably agree that Hollis will cut costs where appropriate and will run the club in the same way Ellis used to, like a business. If there is money spare then we spend it on players. Randy won't bankroll like he used to. Hollis will be responsible for the daily running but will be expected NOT to lose money.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 14, 2016, 07:44:10 PM
If, to use your example Remi Garde wants to keep Ayew plus £20 million to spend on top and it is a condition of Remi Garde staying Mervyn King would phone Randy Lerner and talk about it.  Randy is a banker, Mervyn King was one of the most powerful bankers in the world.  It would be like your parish priest getting a call from the Pope.  Likewise we shall never get knocked back by a veto in an FA committee as unfairly as we were in January. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:44:59 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 14, 2016, 07:41:51 PM
I think we can probably agree that Hollis will cut costs where appropriate and will run the club in the same way Ellis used to, like a business. If there is money spare then we spend it on players. Randy won't bankroll like he used to. Hollis will be responsible for the daily running but will be expected NOT to lose money.


Precisely. Garde can turn up with any wishlist he likes but if it involves the club spending more than it gets it from transfers he might as well have Messi on the list
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: john e on March 14, 2016, 07:47:00 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:44:59 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 14, 2016, 07:41:51 PM
I think we can probably agree that Hollis will cut costs where appropriate and will run the club in the same way Ellis used to, like a business. If there is money spare then we spend it on players. Randy won't bankroll like he used to. Hollis will be responsible for the daily running but will be expected NOT to lose money.


Precisely. Garde can turn up with any wishlist he likes but if it involves the club spending more than it gets it from transfers he might as well have Messi on the list

To be honest I would take him
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:48:46 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 14, 2016, 07:44:10 PM
If, to use your example Remi Garde wants to keep Ayew plus £20 million to spend on top and it is a condition of Remi Garde staying Mervyn King would phone Randy Lerner and talk about it.  Randy is a banker, Mervyn King was one of the most powerful bankers in the world.  It would be like your parish priest getting a call from the Pope.  Likewise we shall never get knocked back by a veto in an FA committee as unfairly as we were in January.

I just love this idea of Mervyn King doing an aboutface from his years as a prudent banker and urging Lerner to splash the cash at every opportunity
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 14, 2016, 07:49:38 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 14, 2016, 07:37:59 PM
You have to ask what sort of budget whoever is controlling it will have. I'm no accountant but Randy's cut up his credit card, we've just reported a 20m loss and we're about to drop out of the richest league in the world with only a parachute payment to live on. How much are we likely to be spending?
We'll spend anything we raise in funds and there will be a firesale. I expect most of last seasons signings to be gone and we'll probably recoup about 25-30 million (from the 50 odd we spent). In addition there will be a handful of players out of contract which frees up some wages.

At that point we sign 5-6 half decent players with a bit of experience and desire, and players who are actually likely to blend together as a team. Then there will be a big onus on our youngsters to step up to the plate.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:48:46 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 14, 2016, 07:44:10 PM
If, to use your example Remi Garde wants to keep Ayew plus £20 million to spend on top and it is a condition of Remi Garde staying Mervyn King would phone Randy Lerner and talk about it.  Randy is a banker, Mervyn King was one of the most powerful bankers in the world.  It would be like your parish priest getting a call from the Pope.  Likewise we shall never get knocked back by a veto in an FA committee as unfairly as we were in January.

I just love this idea of Mervyn King doing an aboutface from his years as a prudent banker and urging Lerner to splash the cash at every opportunity

Only that's not at all what Brian said, is it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:54:24 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:48:46 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 14, 2016, 07:44:10 PM
If, to use your example Remi Garde wants to keep Ayew plus £20 million to spend on top and it is a condition of Remi Garde staying Mervyn King would phone Randy Lerner and talk about it.  Randy is a banker, Mervyn King was one of the most powerful bankers in the world.  It would be like your parish priest getting a call from the Pope.  Likewise we shall never get knocked back by a veto in an FA committee as unfairly as we were in January.

I just love this idea of Mervyn King doing an aboutface from his years as a prudent banker and urging Lerner to splash the cash at every opportunity

Only that's not at all what Brian said, is it?

okay so he's phoning lerner to tell him NOT to throw another 20m at a business facing a financial black hole? makes sense now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: four fornicholl on March 14, 2016, 07:58:31 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:48:46 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 14, 2016, 07:44:10 PM
If, to use your example Remi Garde wants to keep Ayew plus £20 million to spend on top and it is a condition of Remi Garde staying Mervyn King would phone Randy Lerner and talk about it.  Randy is a banker, Mervyn King was one of the most powerful bankers in the world.  It would be like your parish priest getting a call from the Pope.  Likewise we shall never get knocked back by a veto in an FA committee as unfairly as we were in January.

I just love this idea of Mervyn King doing an aboutface from his years as a prudent banker and urging Lerner to splash the cash at every opportunity
He is villa and if I was in his position ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:58:51 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:54:24 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:48:46 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 14, 2016, 07:44:10 PM
If, to use your example Remi Garde wants to keep Ayew plus £20 million to spend on top and it is a condition of Remi Garde staying Mervyn King would phone Randy Lerner and talk about it.  Randy is a banker, Mervyn King was one of the most powerful bankers in the world.  It would be like your parish priest getting a call from the Pope.  Likewise we shall never get knocked back by a veto in an FA committee as unfairly as we were in January.

I just love this idea of Mervyn King doing an aboutface from his years as a prudent banker and urging Lerner to splash the cash at every opportunity

Only that's not at all what Brian said, is it?

okay so he's phoning lerner to tell him NOT to throw another 20m at a business facing a financial black hole? makes sense now.

You do understand the meaning of 'at every available opportunity', don't you?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 08:03:43 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on March 14, 2016, 07:58:31 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 07:48:46 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 14, 2016, 07:44:10 PM
If, to use your example Remi Garde wants to keep Ayew plus £20 million to spend on top and it is a condition of Remi Garde staying Mervyn King would phone Randy Lerner and talk about it.  Randy is a banker, Mervyn King was one of the most powerful bankers in the world.  It would be like your parish priest getting a call from the Pope.  Likewise we shall never get knocked back by a veto in an FA committee as unfairly as we were in January.

I just love this idea of Mervyn King doing an aboutface from his years as a prudent banker and urging Lerner to splash the cash at every opportunity
He is villa and if I was in his position ;) ;) ;)


Well quite but realistically i would suggest that's he's been brought in to manage the huge losses and rationalise us to a leaner core business that can survive rather than him encouraging Randy to get his wallet out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 14, 2016, 08:04:06 PM
I said nothing about splashing cash. It is a matter of investment of resources.  The doomsday scenario which has become so popular in these threads is predicated on the assumption that there is no money for players.  Justification for that assumption is that we spent nothing in January so the coffers are empty. My view is that a positive decision was made in January that we were as good as down and funds could achieve more spent in the summer.  Very hard for any Villa fan, me included, to take but a hard nosed and sound business strategy nonetheless.
If Garde can be persuaded to stay he will have the money he was denied in January.  If the money comes up short Randy Lerner will be approached and a case put to him, probably by Mervyn King, banker to banker.  That is not splashing the cash, it is good business.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 14, 2016, 08:10:46 PM
Brian, I also think they decided not to spend because the wages are way too high and need to be brought under control. We might just see a one in, one out policy in the summer. Richardson, CNZ both gone, saving over 100k a week will help too I guess.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 14, 2016, 08:04:06 PM
I said nothing about splashing cash. It is a matter of investment of resources.  The doomsday scenario which has become so popular in these threads is predicated on the assumption that there is no money for players.  Justification for that assumption is that we spent nothing in January so the coffers are empty. My view is that a positive decision was made in January that we were as good as down and funds could achieve more spent in the summer.  Very hard for any Villa fan, me included, to take but a hard nosed and sound business strategy nonetheless.
If Garde can be persuaded to stay he will have the money he was denied in January.  If the money comes up short Randy Lerner will be approached and a case put to him, probably by Mervyn King, banker to banker.  That is not splashing the cash, it is good business.


well i agree with the January decision really even if they screwed Garde royally doing it. Personally though i don't think King would agree with letting the club spend 20m on new players whilst turning down bids for the existing better players with the financial mess we're in.. If Garde stays I think he will get what he can generate from sales and maybe a small amount  from the parachute payment on top. Any further spending will be dependant on where we are in the league next January and whether a final bit of investment could get us promoted
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 14, 2016, 08:19:05 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 14, 2016, 08:10:46 PM
Brian, I also think they decided not to spend because the wages are way too high and need to be brought under control. We might just see a one in, one out policy in the summer. Richardson, CNZ both gone, saving over 100k a year will help too I guess.

If we estimate N'Zogbia's wage at £65,000(shudder) then that puts Richardson on about £35,000 a week. I just can't see that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 14, 2016, 08:21:53 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 14, 2016, 08:19:05 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 14, 2016, 08:10:46 PM
Brian, I also think they decided not to spend because the wages are way too high and need to be brought under control. We might just see a one in, one out policy in the summer. Richardson, CNZ both gone, saving over 100k a year will help too I guess.

If we estimate N'Zogbia's wage at £65,000(shudder) then that puts Richardson on about £35,000 a week. I just can't see that.
Rico was reported as being on 25k a week, the same as Senderos and Joe Cole. Whether that's true of course is another matter. We'll still save a hefty chunk. Richards will definitely have to go, as will Gabby if at all possible. We can't justify paying anyone over 50k a week next season. In an ideal situation we'll lose all the high earners and have no one sitting on our books raking it in for nothing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 14, 2016, 08:23:12 PM
We are closer to consensus now.  The example plucked from the air was keep Ayew plus £20 million.  I did not say keep Gil and Traore and Amavi and that tripe hound Richards and Veretout plus £20 million.  There will be horse trading. That is only to be expected but funds will be forthcoming.  Neither King nor Bernstein would have agreed to serve on the board to watch Hollis count beans.

If it was my call I would do all our selling in January when you can shift all kinds of crap to desperate clubs for silly money.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 08:24:34 PM
Their main aim i would presume would be to reduce the size of the squad. I can't see them sanctioning say 5 new faces if there's still 30 odd professionals at the club, and not ones on cheap wages at that
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 14, 2016, 08:25:54 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 14, 2016, 08:04:06 PM
I said nothing about splashing cash. It is a matter of investment of resources.  The doomsday scenario which has become so popular in these threads is predicated on the assumption that there is no money for players.  Justification for that assumption is that we spent nothing in January so the coffers are empty. My view is that a positive decision was made in January that we were as good as down and funds could achieve more spent in the summer.  Very hard for any Villa fan, me included, to take but a hard nosed and sound business strategy nonetheless.
If Garde can be persuaded to stay he will have the money he was denied in January.  If the money comes up short Randy Lerner will be approached and a case put to him, probably by Mervyn King, banker to banker.  That is not splashing the cash, it is good business.

Sound business strategy my absolute arse. It's abandonment and neglect by any barometer you care to use.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 08:30:05 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 08:24:34 PM
Their main aim i would presume would be to reduce the size of the squad. I can't see them sanctioning say 5 new faces if there's still 30 odd professionals at the club, and not ones on cheap wages at that

And there would be nothing wrong with that. Richardson and N'Zogbia are out of contract anyway, so that's two gone who contribute nothing and take home around £80k per week combined.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 08:35:23 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 08:30:05 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 08:24:34 PM
Their main aim i would presume would be to reduce the size of the squad. I can't see them sanctioning say 5 new faces if there's still 30 odd professionals at the club, and not ones on cheap wages at that

And there would be nothing wrong with that. Richardson and N'Zogbia are out of contract anyway, so that's two gone who contribute nothing and take home around £80k combined.


Still a big ask. I make it 29 professionals with those two gone, not including the youngsters. You'd want another 9 or 10 of them gone to if you were getting 5 new players in
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 14, 2016, 08:36:18 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 08:30:05 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 08:24:34 PM
Their main aim i would presume would be to reduce the size of the squad. I can't see them sanctioning say 5 new faces if there's still 30 odd professionals at the club, and not ones on cheap wages at that

And there would be nothing wrong with that. Richardson and N'Zogbia are out of contract anyway, so that's two gone who contribute nothing and take home around £80k per week combined.
Those two are the only two big earners out of contract in May. We've then got Guzan, Lescott, Hutton, Kozak, Okore and Bunn going into their last years and I'd be looking to sell all but Okore if possible.
Shockingly Westwood appears to be hear until the end of time. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 14, 2016, 08:40:24 PM
9 or 10 gone is quite feasible I guess. That said, it's even more churn when many are saying that stability is needed. What Remi needs to understand, if he stays, is that there is no way we will get rid of all of the crap attitude players. He WILL be stuck with one or two of them. I mean, who in their right mind would want Bacuna? We also have some of the loanees coming back too. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 14, 2016, 08:50:43 PM
His reluctance to pay some of the kids is annoying. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: themossman on March 14, 2016, 08:56:05 PM
As someone has probably already said in here, I think he's the precise managerial equivalent of our French players. Talented, will no doubt go onto do well at a more successful club post-villa, but exactly what we didn't need this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 09:03:48 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 14, 2016, 08:50:43 PM
His reluctance to pay some of the kids is annoying.

yep missed opportunity. We have nothing left to play for which is the idea time to blood them. No expectations and we may just find a few who could could flourish next season given the opportunity. They really can't do any worse than the 4 and 6-0 hidings we've seen from the seniors.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on March 14, 2016, 09:30:13 PM
He cannot be seen to run up the white flag, although the chances of beating the drop is miniscule he will pick the players he believes are best suited to the challenge. Once there is no chance you will see him trying kids like Green to measure how close to senior football they are and if they can improve the side in the championship.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on March 14, 2016, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: ez on March 14, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.
They are able to though. And you can't excuse the awful team selections and tactical deficiencies. The squad isn't very good, but it shouldn't be as piss awful as it has been, and we're not the 20th worst squad in the Premier League on paper. We're just the most feckless, woefully run and managed side in the top flight.
Every manager at every club across the world has to take responsibility for that teams results. That's what you sign up for when you take up the job. Sometimes circumstances are tough. Sometimes you get a raw deal, but you still have to get the best out of what you have. I don't think Remi is getting that. Not even close. Would we stay up if this lot were playing to their best? Maybe not, but at the very least we should be going down fighting.
Yes this is 90% Randy's fault for being a feck brained cretin, but Remi has been atrocious. All excuses aside he's been atrocious.

You summarize nicely why the next manager will fail regardless - he only has a 10% impact and the 90% will still screw it up. But $2m more debt and a new face will appease the fickle
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 14, 2016, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 14, 2016, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: ez on March 14, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.
They are able to though. And you can't excuse the awful team selections and tactical deficiencies. The squad isn't very good, but it shouldn't be as piss awful as it has been, and we're not the 20th worst squad in the Premier League on paper. We're just the most feckless, woefully run and managed side in the top flight.
Every manager at every club across the world has to take responsibility for that teams results. That's what you sign up for when you take up the job. Sometimes circumstances are tough. Sometimes you get a raw deal, but you still have to get the best out of what you have. I don't think Remi is getting that. Not even close. Would we stay up if this lot were playing to their best? Maybe not, but at the very least we should be going down fighting.
Yes this is 90% Randy's fault for being a feck brained cretin, but Remi has been atrocious. All excuses aside he's been atrocious.

You summarize nicely why the next manager will fail regardless - he only has a 10% impact and the 90% will still screw it up. But $2m more debt and a new face will appease the fickle
Oh it will fail. We know that. Until Randy sells up we're stuck. What the club needs is a total change from top to bottom. Ideally Hollis could possibly oversea a degree of stability, and the recent appointments suggest some kind of logic finally being used. Will it change anything? Probably not. But we still need fresh managerial impetus for the playing squad in the summer because it just seems patently clear that Remi's heart isn't in it.
I do agree though without a change in the way the club is run, no amount of managerial changes will make a difference, which is why the coming summer is pretty much the most defining one this club has had in decades.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2016, 10:13:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 14, 2016, 08:50:43 PM
His reluctance to pay some of the kids is annoying. 

We'll see them as soon as relegation is confirmed. When that day comes we will start to see the future a little more clearly. It will mark whether Garde remains at the club or not by the players who will be picked. If he stays I don't think he'll ever pick again the wasters who have made his tenure as difficult as possible.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 14, 2016, 10:57:58 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 08:36:18 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 14, 2016, 08:30:05 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 14, 2016, 08:24:34 PM
Their main aim i would presume would be to reduce the size of the squad. I can't see them sanctioning say 5 new faces if there's still 30 odd professionals at the club, and not ones on cheap wages at that

And there would be nothing wrong with that. Richardson and N'Zogbia are out of contract anyway, so that's two gone who contribute nothing and take home around £80k per week combined.
Those two are the only two big earners out of contract in May. We've then got Guzan, Lescott, Hutton, Kozak, Okore and Bunn going into their last years and I'd be looking to sell all but Okore if possible.
Shockingly Westwood appears to be hear until the end of time. 

Okore is on £25K per week and has a relegation clause according to the press over here, so he's not going to be the one bleeding the system dry.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 14, 2016, 11:08:12 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 14, 2016, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: ez on March 14, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.
They are able to though. And you can't excuse the awful team selections and tactical deficiencies. The squad isn't very good, but it shouldn't be as piss awful as it has been, and we're not the 20th worst squad in the Premier League on paper. We're just the most feckless, woefully run and managed side in the top flight.
Every manager at every club across the world has to take responsibility for that teams results. That's what you sign up for when you take up the job. Sometimes circumstances are tough. Sometimes you get a raw deal, but you still have to get the best out of what you have. I don't think Remi is getting that. Not even close. Would we stay up if this lot were playing to their best? Maybe not, but at the very least we should be going down fighting.
Yes this is 90% Randy's fault for being a feck brained cretin, but Remi has been atrocious. All excuses aside he's been atrocious.

You summarize nicely why the next manager will fail regardless - he only has a 10% impact and the 90% will still screw it up. But $2m more debt and a new face will appease the fickle
Oh it will fail. We know that. Until Randy sells up we're stuck. What the club needs is a total change from top to bottom. Ideally Hollis could possibly oversea a degree of stability, and the recent appointments suggest some kind of logic finally being used. Will it change anything? Probably not. But we still need fresh managerial impetus for the playing squad in the summer because it just seems patently clear that Remi's heart isn't in it.
I do agree though without a change in the way the club is run, no amount of managerial changes will make a difference, which is why the coming summer is pretty much the most defining one this club has had in decades.

Not specifically having a pop at you tom, just your quote that caught the eye, but there are plenty of similar about.

As someone who's walked a few people through disciplinary procedures and in 2 cases, out of the door for non-performance in the real world, I can tell you how hard it can be to get someone who genuinely doesn't give a f¤¤k to do their job when you've got real sanctions you can use against them.

If Garde has inherited a squad with a fair proportion of wankers and wastrels who've pretty much made their minds up that they really can't be arsed, once he's gone through arm around shoulder to professional pride ending up with just f##king do it, there's not a lot left to call on. 

I think that was what we saw when he hung them out to dry a couple of weeks ago.  If the only thing you're interested in is a fat PL pay cheque then you're going to have to prove you're not one of the wankers to get a move come June.

It probably only needs 2 or 3 to f¤¤k off and never darken our doorsteps again to change the entire atmosphere and oh god do I rue the day Sherwood was called by Richards' agent.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on March 15, 2016, 12:29:58 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on March 14, 2016, 11:08:12 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 14, 2016, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: ez on March 14, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.
They are able to though. And you can't excuse the awful team selections and tactical deficiencies. The squad isn't very good, but it shouldn't be as piss awful as it has been, and we're not the 20th worst squad in the Premier League on paper. We're just the most feckless, woefully run and managed side in the top flight.
Every manager at every club across the world has to take responsibility for that teams results. That's what you sign up for when you take up the job. Sometimes circumstances are tough. Sometimes you get a raw deal, but you still have to get the best out of what you have. I don't think Remi is getting that. Not even close. Would we stay up if this lot were playing to their best? Maybe not, but at the very least we should be going down fighting.
Yes this is 90% Randy's fault for being a feck brained cretin, but Remi has been atrocious. All excuses aside he's been atrocious.

You summarize nicely why the next manager will fail regardless - he only has a 10% impact and the 90% will still screw it up. But $2m more debt and a new face will appease the fickle
Oh it will fail. We know that. Until Randy sells up we're stuck. What the club needs is a total change from top to bottom. Ideally Hollis could possibly oversea a degree of stability, and the recent appointments suggest some kind of logic finally being used. Will it change anything? Probably not. But we still need fresh managerial impetus for the playing squad in the summer because it just seems patently clear that Remi's heart isn't in it.
I do agree though without a change in the way the club is run, no amount of managerial changes will make a difference, which is why the coming summer is pretty much the most defining one this club has had in decades.

Not specifically having a pop at you tom, just your quote that caught the eye, but there are plenty of similar about.

As someone who's walked a few people through disciplinary procedures and in 2 cases, out of the door for non-performance in the real world, I can tell you how hard it can be to get someone who genuinely doesn't give a f¤¤k to do their job when you've got real sanctions you can use against them.

If Garde has inherited a squad with a fair proportion of wankers and wastrels who've pretty much made their minds up that they really can't be arsed, once he's gone through arm around shoulder to professional pride ending up with just f##king do it, there's not a lot left to call on. 

I think that was what we saw when he hung them out to dry a couple of weeks ago.  If the only thing you're interested in is a fat PL pay cheque then you're going to have to prove you're not one of the wankers to get a move come June.

It probably only needs 2 or 3 to f¤¤k off and never darken our doorsteps again to change the entire atmosphere and oh god do I rue the day Sherwood was called by Richards' agent.

The "Garde isn't getting the right reaction" is nonsense in my book. These players are shit, and they have proved that with successive managers. Modern football finances encourages them to do just what they want - and no amount of coddling, hugging, tub thumping is going to get shit overpaid lazy soccer players to do anything but.

As true as ever, the table doesn't lie. Our squad is the poorest in the PL by some margin. Someone earlier said our squad was better than Bournemouth - are you kidding! They have a squad of hungry, hard working, honest, and fairly talented players who are punching above their weight - thats why they are above us. We have a squad of fat, lazy, past it, has beens given ridiculous contracts (sprinkled with some unknown foreign potential) and are where we deserve to be.  None of that is Garde's fault - none of it.

Go back - MON did well - bloody right too given the vast sums of money he splurged. Then when Lerner got burnt and turned the screw, the fall began. Not one manager since MON has arrested that decline despite all sorts of different contexts.

Those banging the drum for another manager will be the same ones banging the same drum in a years time, and the year after that, and the year after that. GUARANTEED 

Shoot the messenger, time and time again. We just never learn, which is why we will get exactly what we deserve in May.     
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on March 15, 2016, 12:49:10 AM
I'd say our entire squad is better talent-wise than Norwich, Bournemouth and the Olbiyun and there shouldn't be much in it between Sunderland and worselves.

If the suggestion is that Garde or no other manager on God's green earth could possibly hope to get a reaction out of the seven or eight professionals it would need from a 25-man squad to give us a fighting chance then lets just save the £2 to £3 million and do
away with his position entirely.

Let Elaine Rose and Nicola Keye pick the team. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on March 15, 2016, 01:27:45 AM
I agree re Norwich, but Bournemouth have a massive advantage in the fact their defensive unit has been together for a long time, and know each others game inside out, which allows them to have a solid base. Add in then that Matt Richie is more creative than anyone in our squad, King, Afobe and Wilson are all better centre forwards than anyone we have and Gradel is a terrific player, then you can see why they are so much better than us.

Albion simply have better fighters and an ultra defensive manager that sets his team up to spoil their way to points, but is helped no end by a striker who when in the mood is a quality goalscorer, streets better than we have.

The other difference there is that if you do have a creative spark and a few goals in the side, then it makes the defensive side so much easier. Benteke relieved our pressure and allowed others to play, Grealish last season for example, got space due to Benteke moving people about and working to create it. Our best 45 minutes this season at Leicester was achieved through Gabby doing exactly that but one week he will, the next 9 he won't.

Simply, our forwards are as much of an issue as the useless back 4, as they don't hold it up, and they don't score, and they don't create much. We have no pace unless we play Traore, as the rest are pedestrian, and we don't have a winger in the squad that will work up and down and get the ball in from dangerous areas. Only Amavi has done that all season. The movement is shocking too.

Next season, whoever is in charge, I want to see injecting a huge amount of pace, some power through midfield and some real leaders.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DaveD on March 15, 2016, 01:46:32 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 15, 2016, 12:49:10 AM
I'd say our entire squad is better talent-wise than Norwich, Bournemouth and the Olbiyun and there shouldn't be much in it between Sunderland and worselves.

On what evidence ? Name one of our players who would be a certain starter at any of the other clubs. Ayew has been our best player this season and even he's only done it in flashes. I mean seriously - Craig Gardener or Ashley Westwood ? That's how low we've sunk.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 15, 2016, 06:55:04 AM
the table never lies
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 15, 2016, 07:29:31 AM
Quote
Those banging the drum for another manager will be the same ones banging the same drum in a years time, and the year after that, and the year after that. GUARANTEED 

So we should still have Lambert as manager? what about those banging the drum for keeping shit managers in a job? they usually see sense when it's too late and we're too deep in the shit. I can't think if a club who retained a poor manager and succeeded. You're clearly a big fan of Garde and I think it's clouding your argument. Club first. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 15, 2016, 07:31:06 AM
The situation is very clear.  You either believe Randy Lerner is going to cut and run regardless of the losses he has sustained or he is going to stay and ride out the slump in the value of his asset.  You believe what you like.  If you favour the doomsday scenario that is your choice.  My attitude to such a business dilemma based on a long lifetime of wealth generation for others, my family and myself is to play the long game.  You can never deny funding to any business you want to save.  Economise yes, eat your seed corn no.

There is s also another simple choice of beliefs to address.  Once again the choice is yours.  You either believe we are always going to play badly, lose games and go  into a spiral of endless decline or you believe we will pull out of this terrible run of form and start to win again.

I sympathise with the former scenario and from my weekly attendance at Villa games often am tempted to support the doomsday concept but in times of cooler more level headed judgement I know the latter is the reality.

History seems to indicate that Randy Lerner is not good at making business calls, he may get this one wrong again but any advisor, be it King or Bernstein or Maynard Keynes reincarnate would advise him against jettisoning his investment at rock bottom value.

Villa's future is uncertain.  This forum exists for us to express our views. Mine is that there are better, more stable times ahead.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sid1964 on March 15, 2016, 07:44:08 AM
There will never be a Manager of Aston Villa that everyone likes or that we think is right for our club, we could get Mourinho in and some would moan and some in a way would hope that he would fail so they can say "I told you he was rubbish".

But eventually we will have to stick with a manager because we cannot keep sacking them every 6 months, we cannot afford it and we desperately need a period of stability.

I hate to say this but we WILL lose games in the Championship next season, even GT lost games when we were in the old Division 2 (against Blues at home for a start) if that happens next season then there will be uproar on this site!

If it is not Garde in charge next season, then I hope that Brian Little advises the board well on who the new man is going to be.

My guess is that the new manager will be someone who is currently not in a job, as we wont be paying compensation to any club for their manager.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 15, 2016, 08:00:43 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 15, 2016, 07:31:06 AM
The situation is very clear.  You either believe Randy Lerner is going to cut and run regardless of the losses he has sustained or he is going to stay and ride out the slump in the value of his asset.  You believe what you like.  If you favour the doomsday scenario that is your choice.  My attitude to such a business dilemma based on a long lifetime of wealth generation for others, my family and myself is to play the long game.  You can never deny funding to any business you want to save.  Economise yes, eat your seed corn no.

There is s also another simple choice of beliefs to address.  Once again the choice is yours.  You either believe we are always going to play badly, lose games and go  into a spiral of endless decline or you believe we will pull out of this terrible run of form and start to win again.

I sympathise with the former scenario and from my weekly attendance at Villa games often am tempted to support the doomsday concept but in times of cooler more level headed judgement I know the latter is the reality.

History seems to indicate that Randy Lerner is not good at making business calls, he may get this one wrong again but any advisor, be it King or Bernstein or Maynard Keynes reincarnate would advise him against jettisoning his investment at rock bottom value.

Villa's future is uncertain.  This forum exists for us to express our views. Mine is that there are better, more stable times ahead.

The only problem is that Lerner has not shown himself to follow solid business principles Brian - he sticks his head in the sand and then panics when it is too late, which fails of course so he runs further away with his fingers in his ears going "Lalalalalalalaaa".

Never assume he is as insightful as yourself mate!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on March 15, 2016, 09:47:27 AM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 10:05:29 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 14, 2016, 09:33:10 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: ez on March 14, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 14, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.
They are able to though. And you can't excuse the awful team selections and tactical deficiencies. The squad isn't very good, but it shouldn't be as piss awful as it has been, and we're not the 20th worst squad in the Premier League on paper. We're just the most feckless, woefully run and managed side in the top flight.
Every manager at every club across the world has to take responsibility for that teams results. That's what you sign up for when you take up the job. Sometimes circumstances are tough. Sometimes you get a raw deal, but you still have to get the best out of what you have. I don't think Remi is getting that. Not even close. Would we stay up if this lot were playing to their best? Maybe not, but at the very least we should be going down fighting.
Yes this is 90% Randy's fault for being a feck brained cretin, but Remi has been atrocious. All excuses aside he's been atrocious.

You summarize nicely why the next manager will fail regardless - he only has a 10% impact and the 90% will still screw it up. But $2m more debt and a new face will appease the fickle
Oh it will fail. We know that. Until Randy sells up we're stuck. What the club needs is a total change from top to bottom. Ideally Hollis could possibly oversea a degree of stability, and the recent appointments suggest some kind of logic finally being used. Will it change anything? Probably not. But we still need fresh managerial impetus for the playing squad in the summer because it just seems patently clear that Remi's heart isn't in it.
I do agree though without a change in the way the club is run, no amount of managerial changes will make a difference, which is why the coming summer is pretty much the most defining one this club has had in decades.

what makes you think his heart isn't in it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: levico on March 15, 2016, 09:48:56 AM
Yes, playing the long game is correct in general terms but it begs the question - how long is long?

Also, in specific terms, when some companies are broken they remain so for many years e.g. I am never going to get my money back on my RBS shares.

I fear that Villa maybe 'broken' for the foreseable future, particularly if Lerner also plays the long game. As you say, Brian, he won't sell quickly and cheaply. He'll go for damage limitation in terms of operating costs and bunker down for 10 years in so. Who knows where we'll be then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2016, 10:49:58 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 15, 2016, 07:31:06 AM
The situation is very clear.  You either believe Randy Lerner is going to cut and run regardless of the losses he has sustained or he is going to stay and ride out the slump in the value of his asset.  You believe what you like.  If you favour the doomsday scenario that is your choice.  My attitude to such a business dilemma based on a long lifetime of wealth generation for others, my family and myself is to play the long game.  You can never deny funding to any business you want to save.  Economise yes, eat your seed corn no.

There is s also another simple choice of beliefs to address.  Once again the choice is yours.  You either believe we are always going to play badly, lose games and go  into a spiral of endless decline or you believe we will pull out of this terrible run of form and start to win again.

I sympathise with the former scenario and from my weekly attendance at Villa games often am tempted to support the doomsday concept but in times of cooler more level headed judgement I know the latter is the reality.

History seems to indicate that Randy Lerner is not good at making business calls, he may get this one wrong again but any advisor, be it King or Bernstein or Maynard Keynes reincarnate would advise him against jettisoning his investment at rock bottom value.

Villa's future is uncertain.  This forum exists for us to express our views. Mine is that there are better, more stable times ahead.

You'd just completely contradicted your earlier post when you said that the decision to not spend in January was a sound business one.  It wasn't, it was foolishness in the extreme.  When you've still got a chance to save a failing investment, you take it.  Spending £10m may have been enough to keep us up, and even if not, would have given us the chance to at least keep Garde on side, keep some of the wankers out of the side, and start getting the team ready for next year.  If he doesn't want to sell at rock bottom value, he should have looked after it a bit better, because right now, he doesn't have much of a choice.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passport1 on March 15, 2016, 11:03:06 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 15, 2016, 07:31:06 AM
The situation is very clear.  You either believe Randy Lerner is going to cut and run regardless of the losses he has sustained or he is going to stay and ride out the slump in the value of his asset.  You believe what you like.  If you favour the doomsday scenario that is your choice.  My attitude to such a business dilemma based on a long lifetime of wealth generation for others, my family and myself is to play the long game.  You can never deny funding to any business you want to save.  Economise yes, eat your seed corn no.

There is s also another simple choice of beliefs to address.  Once again the choice is yours.  You either believe we are always going to play badly, lose games and go  into a spiral of endless decline or you believe we will pull out of this terrible run of form and start to win again.

I sympathise with the former scenario and from my weekly attendance at Villa games often am tempted to support the doomsday concept but in times of cooler more level headed judgement I know the latter is the reality.

History seems to indicate that Randy Lerner is not good at making business calls, he may get this one wrong again but any advisor, be it King or Bernstein or Maynard Keynes reincarnate would advise him against jettisoning his investment at rock bottom value.

Villa's future is uncertain.  This forum exists for us to express our views. Mine is that there are better, more stable times ahead.


The problem with comparing football clubs to ordinary businesses is that the fate of ordinary businesses do not rest on 90 mins once or twice a week.

Most professionals in the business and investment world would not touch football clubs with a barge pole.

The idea that applying some business principals will somehow lead to sunny times ahead is in my opinion fanciful at best.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 15, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
I was only nine at the time so i can't remember but was there this much support for McNeill in 87?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 15, 2016, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: django on March 15, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
I was only nine at the time so i can't remember but was there this much support for McNeill in 87?

No. But he didn't seem to give a shit from the moment he rocked up here from working his magic at Maine Road.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2016, 12:42:40 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 15, 2016, 07:31:06 AM
The situation is very clear.  You either believe Randy Lerner is going to cut and run regardless of the losses he has sustained or he is going to stay and ride out the slump in the value of his asset.  You believe what you like.  If you favour the doomsday scenario that is your choice.  My attitude to such a business dilemma based on a long lifetime of wealth generation for others, my family and myself is to play the long game.  You can never deny funding to any business you want to save.  Economise yes, eat your seed corn no.

There is s also another simple choice of beliefs to address.  Once again the choice is yours.  You either believe we are always going to play badly, lose games and go  into a spiral of endless decline or you believe we will pull out of this terrible run of form and start to win again.

I sympathise with the former scenario and from my weekly attendance at Villa games often am tempted to support the doomsday concept but in times of cooler more level headed judgement I know the latter is the reality.

History seems to indicate that Randy Lerner is not good at making business calls, he may get this one wrong again but any advisor, be it King or Bernstein or Maynard Keynes reincarnate would advise him against jettisoning his investment at rock bottom value.

Villa's future is uncertain.  This forum exists for us to express our views. Mine is that there are better, more stable times ahead.

I'm with you Brian. If Randy wanted to maintain the status quo why appoint Hollis, and why then allow him to bring in King, Little and Bernstein at all? He could have just muddled along with Fox and his million pound a year contract. He's given up control of the club to those who might be able to fix it once and for all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2016, 12:46:36 PM
Because they're probably not being paid very much.  I would think King will be on a NED type rate of pay, and Little on a consultancy basis depending on how much they use him, which I would guess that past settling the fans down a bit, won't be very much.  It's also something that Merrill Lynch acting for the trust have insisted upon, because they have quite a big say on how much the club is sold for.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2016, 01:00:06 PM
In your opinion Riss, what exactly would Merrill Lynch be saying at this point? Why has a buyer been that difficult in what is a team in the most lucrative sports league on the planet? When NBA or MLB teams are being sold for in excess of a billion $ why have we not been sold?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on March 15, 2016, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 15, 2016, 07:29:31 AM
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Those banging the drum for another manager will be the same ones banging the same drum in a years time, and the year after that, and the year after that. GUARANTEED 

So we should still have Lambert as manager? what about those banging the drum for keeping shit managers in a job? they usually see sense when it's too late and we're too deep in the shit. I can't think if a club who retained a poor manager and succeeded. You're clearly a big fan of Garde and I think it's clouding your argument. Club first.

Not a big fan of Garde, nor was I of Lambert. If you think spending 3-4m pounds every 1-2 years chopping managers is the solution, your clearly deluded.

The club always comes first which is why we need to stop repeating the same failure time and time again. Said it before and will say it again - the manager (whoever it is) is the very least of our problems.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on March 15, 2016, 01:08:58 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 15, 2016, 12:46:36 PM
Because they're probably not being paid very much.  I would think King will be on a NED type rate of pay, and Little on a consultancy basis depending on how much they use him, which I would guess that past settling the fans down a bit, won't be very much.

This came up on King's appointment and I think Dave Woodhall looked into it and confirmed that King wasn't being paid.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Locko on March 15, 2016, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 15, 2016, 07:31:06 AM
The situation is very clear.  You either believe Randy Lerner is going to cut and run regardless of the losses he has sustained or he is going to stay and ride out the slump in the value of his asset.  You believe what you like.  If you favour the doomsday scenario that is your choice.  My attitude to such a business dilemma based on a long lifetime of wealth generation for others, my family and myself is to play the long game.  You can never deny funding to any business you want to save.  Economise yes, eat your seed corn no.

There is s also another simple choice of beliefs to address.  Once again the choice is yours.  You either believe we are always going to play badly, lose games and go  into a spiral of endless decline or you believe we will pull out of this terrible run of form and start to win again.

I sympathise with the former scenario and from my weekly attendance at Villa games often am tempted to support the doomsday concept but in times of cooler more level headed judgement I know the latter is the reality.

History seems to indicate that Randy Lerner is not good at making business calls, he may get this one wrong again but any advisor, be it King or Bernstein or Maynard Keynes reincarnate would advise him against jettisoning his investment at rock bottom value.

Villa's future is uncertain.  This forum exists for us to express our views. Mine is that there are better, more stable times ahead.

Superb and very eloquently put. You've made me a believer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2016, 01:12:01 PM
Quote from: Dave on March 15, 2016, 01:08:58 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 15, 2016, 12:46:36 PM
Because they're probably not being paid very much.  I would think King will be on a NED type rate of pay, and Little on a consultancy basis depending on how much they use him, which I would guess that past settling the fans down a bit, won't be very much.

This came up on King's appointment and I think Dave Woodhall looked into it and confirmed that King wasn't being paid.

Sounds about right.  I wouldn't imagine Bernstein is on much either, although I don't know if he's more of a full time director or a NED.  I can't imagine that Lerner wants to increase the amounts paid to the executives by very much, given that he's already paying fox more than a million a year.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2016, 01:19:17 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2016, 01:00:06 PM
In your opinion Riss, what exactly would Merrill Lynch be saying at this point? Why has a buyer been that difficult in what is a team in the most lucrative sports league on the planet? When NBA or MLB teams are being sold for in excess of a billion $ why have we not been sold?

Because Lerner wants too much money, and obviously because in the past year or two there's been a very real doubt about us staying in that richest league, and now there's almost certainty that we won't be.  I've got the Merrill Lynch offer document, and it's all predicated on an upturn in business based on staying in the Premier League, ie the increase in TV money, selling the stadium naming rights and completing better corporate deals.  Those forecasts are now completely and utterly out of the window, for obvious reasons.  Any serious potential owner will see the reduction in turnover and the required rebuilding job, and factor that into what they're prepared to offer.

Then we're faced with an owner with a serious hole in his finances who can't afford to accept much less, and who can't afford to spend much more than the club generates.  It's an unholy mess, and is why I don't think we'll canter through the Championship.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: castlefields_villan on March 15, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on March 15, 2016, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: django on March 15, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
I was only nine at the time so i can't remember but was there this much support for McNeill in 87?

No. But he didn't seem to give a shit from the moment he rocked up here from working his magic at Maine Road.

Just about the worst manager we've ever had (certainly in my time - which now extends to watching us for 49 years) - and yet as I remember he came in on twice Graham Turner's salary and was full of big talk to start with.  Shame I'd always admired him as a player at Celtic - the only manager ever to get 2 clubs relegated from the big time in the same season ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 15, 2016, 01:29:05 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 15, 2016, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 15, 2016, 07:29:31 AM
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Those banging the drum for another manager will be the same ones banging the same drum in a years time, and the year after that, and the year after that. GUARANTEED 

So we should still have Lambert as manager? what about those banging the drum for keeping shit managers in a job? they usually see sense when it's too late and we're too deep in the shit. I can't think if a club who retained a poor manager and succeeded. You're clearly a big fan of Garde and I think it's clouding your argument. Club first.

Not a big fan of Garde, nor was I of Lambert. If you think spending 3-4m pounds every 1-2 years chopping managers is the solution, your clearly deluded.

The club always comes first which is why we need to stop repeating the same failure time and time again. Said it before and will say it again - the manager (whoever it is) is the very least of our problems.

The average tenure of a football manager in England is 1.2 years. I can't think of a single club who have retained a poor manager in the hope that somehow things will improve. Certainly not one with such a miserable return as Garde. I agree that our problem is that we have consistently appointed inappropriate managers at will and held on to them long after they should have gone. As is the case here. As for your 3-4m guess at compensation paid to sacked managers, it's a drop in the ocean when compared with the money we will lose when we go down. And, if we're trading petty insults, it's "you're" as in you're deluded if you think this will end well with Garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 15, 2016, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: castlefields_villan on March 15, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on March 15, 2016, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: django on March 15, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
I was only nine at the time so i can't remember but was there this much support for McNeill in 87?

No. But he didn't seem to give a shit from the moment he rocked up here from working his magic at Maine Road.

Just about the worst manager we've ever had (certainly in my time - which now extends to watching us for 49 years) - and yet as I remember he came in on twice Graham Turner's salary and was full of big talk to start with.  Shame I'd always admired him as a player at Celtic - the only manager ever to get 2 clubs relegated from the big time in the same season ?

Ron Saunders did it with Blues and Albion
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 15, 2016, 01:30:44 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 15, 2016, 01:06:33 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 15, 2016, 07:29:31 AM
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Those banging the drum for another manager will be the same ones banging the same drum in a years time, and the year after that, and the year after that. GUARANTEED 

So we should still have Lambert as manager? what about those banging the drum for keeping shit managers in a job? they usually see sense when it's too late and we're too deep in the shit. I can't think if a club who retained a poor manager and succeeded. You're clearly a big fan of Garde and I think it's clouding your argument. Club first.

Not a big fan of Garde, nor was I of Lambert. If you think spending 3-4m pounds every 1-2 years chopping managers is the solution, your clearly deluded.

The club always comes first which is why we need to stop repeating the same failure time and time again. Said it before and will say it again - the manager (whoever it is) is the very least of our problems.

Paying compensation every season or so is a disaster but less of a disaster next season than getting stuck in the championship with the wrong manager. What's going to cost more money in the long run keep McNeill and save the cash or pay him off and get Taylor in?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: dave shelley on March 15, 2016, 01:31:13 PM
Quote from: django on March 15, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
I was only nine at the time so i can't remember but was there this much support for McNeill in 87?

There wasn't social media as such back then otherwise IMO, it would just be the same.  There's always going to be divided opinion among football supporters, whatever the issue.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: django on March 15, 2016, 01:32:30 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 15, 2016, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: castlefields_villan on March 15, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on March 15, 2016, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: django on March 15, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
I was only nine at the time so i can't remember but was there this much support for McNeill in 87?

No. But he didn't seem to give a shit from the moment he rocked up here from working his magic at Maine Road.

Just about the worst manager we've ever had (certainly in my time - which now extends to watching us for 49 years) - and yet as I remember he came in on twice Graham Turner's salary and was full of big talk to start with.  Shame I'd always admired him as a player at Celtic - the only manager ever to get 2 clubs relegated from the big time in the same season ?

Ron Saunders did it with Blues and Albion

Legend.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 15, 2016, 01:32:55 PM
the only way the Garde era can't end disastrously is if we stay up. Which is as likely as snow on Venus.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: conman on March 15, 2016, 01:38:58 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 15, 2016, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: castlefields_villan on March 15, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on March 15, 2016, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: django on March 15, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
I was only nine at the time so i can't remember but was there this much support for McNeill in 87?

No. But he didn't seem to give a shit from the moment he rocked up here from working his magic at Maine Road.

Just about the worst manager we've ever had (certainly in my time - which now extends to watching us for 49 years) - and yet as I remember he came in on twice Graham Turner's salary and was full of big talk to start with.  Shame I'd always admired him as a player at Celtic - the only manager ever to get 2 clubs relegated from the big time in the same season ?

Ron Saunders did it with Blues and Albion
2 or 3 seasons inbetween
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 15, 2016, 01:44:25 PM
Quote from: conman on March 15, 2016, 01:38:58 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 15, 2016, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: castlefields_villan on March 15, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on March 15, 2016, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: django on March 15, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
I was only nine at the time so i can't remember but was there this much support for McNeill in 87?

No. But he didn't seem to give a shit from the moment he rocked up here from working his magic at Maine Road.

Just about the worst manager we've ever had (certainly in my time - which now extends to watching us for 49 years) - and yet as I remember he came in on twice Graham Turner's salary and was full of big talk to start with.  Shame I'd always admired him as a player at Celtic - the only manager ever to get 2 clubs relegated from the big time in the same season ?

Ron Saunders did it with Blues and Albion
2 or 3 seasons inbetween

Do you wanna bet against me?  Both went down 86, he managed both teams that season
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: conman on March 15, 2016, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 15, 2016, 01:44:25 PM
Quote from: conman on March 15, 2016, 01:38:58 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 15, 2016, 01:29:52 PM
Quote from: castlefields_villan on March 15, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on March 15, 2016, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: django on March 15, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
I was only nine at the time so i can't remember but was there this much support for McNeill in 87?

No. But he didn't seem to give a shit from the moment he rocked up here from working his magic at Maine Road.

Just about the worst manager we've ever had (certainly in my time - which now extends to watching us for 49 years) - and yet as I remember he came in on twice Graham Turner's salary and was full of big talk to start with.  Shame I'd always admired him as a player at Celtic - the only manager ever to get 2 clubs relegated from the big time in the same season ?

Ron Saunders did it with Blues and Albion
2 or 3 seasons inbetween

Do you wanna bet against me?  Both went down 86, he managed both teams that season
Certainly not mate , if you say they both went down in 86 thats good enough for me ,
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Villa Lew on March 15, 2016, 07:25:54 PM
Quote from: castlefields_villan on March 15, 2016, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on March 15, 2016, 11:25:30 AM
Quote from: django on March 15, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
I was only nine at the time so i can't remember but was there this much support for McNeill in 87?

No. But he didn't seem to give a shit from the moment he rocked up here from working his magic at Maine Road.

Just about the worst manager we've ever had (certainly in my time - which now extends to watching us for 49 years) - and yet as I remember he came in on twice Graham Turner's salary and was full of big talk to start with.  Shame I'd always admired him as a player at Celtic - the only manager ever to get 2 clubs relegated from the big time in the same season ?
Undoubtedly one of Celtic and Scotland's greatest ever defenders, captain of Celtic's European Cup winning team of '67, the first British team to achieve that honour. Always felt he would make a good manager, couldn't have been more wrong.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 15, 2016, 09:21:30 PM
Interestingly, it was actually Graham Turner, on being sacked by Doug, who recommended Billy McBingo for the job! WTF!!

On the point about Randy. Frankly, his poor decisions early on have cost him what he now has; a broken shell of a club that he can't seem to sell. He wants nothing more to do with football or its fickle fans ever since the loyalty of MON in taking him to court kicked the crap out of him. Selling Villa? No buyers? Perhaps it's because we are just not that attractive or that Birmingham isn't as attractive? Who knows. Hollis has been brought in to basically do a Doug. Run it as a business, get it on a level but don't overstretched the finances. That said, the board know that the big money is in the Premiership, so get back there, and quick.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on March 15, 2016, 10:16:15 PM
Quote from: DaveD on March 15, 2016, 01:46:32 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 15, 2016, 12:49:10 AM
I'd say our entire squad is better talent-wise than Norwich, Bournemouth and the Olbiyun and there shouldn't be much in it between Sunderland and worselves.

On what evidence ?

Just the individual ability of the respective sides, our league position compared to most of that lot over the last few years and how much we spent in the summer. Small little indicators like that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 15, 2016, 10:41:47 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 15, 2016, 10:16:15 PM
Quote from: DaveD on March 15, 2016, 01:46:32 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 15, 2016, 12:49:10 AM
I'd say our entire squad is better talent-wise than Norwich, Bournemouth and the Olbiyun and there shouldn't be much in it between Sunderland and worselves.

On what evidence ?

Just the individual ability of the respective sides, our league position compared to most of that lot over the last few years and how much we spent in the summer. Small little indicators like that.
Agreed and our squad didn't cost peanuts by any stretch of the imagination either. If someone wants evidence about one contributing factor to Bournemouths success in comparison to ours, given they're squad on paper should have been going down, is that they've covered more miles than any other club in the top flight. By comparison (last time I checked anyway) our side have covered the fewest. Does that point to a lack of work-rate? Not entirely of course, nothing is that black and white but it's certainly a suggestion that our squad doesn't give enough and that for a supposed lack of talent our gameplan isn't effective enough in accounting for that lack of ability by "running about a lot more." It might sound simple but we don't close down enough and our players don't track back effectively enough. That's key. As it is I do actually think our squad doesn't work hard enough, regardless of any stat. Bournemouth conversely, do work their bollocks off. They're staying up, we're going down and good luck to them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: sickbeggar on March 15, 2016, 11:45:35 PM
yep. Our problem isn't just ability. it's a failure of them to play as a coherent entity. Ability wise we're a struggling premiership side, have been for 4 or 5 years. Possibly the sales of delpth and benteke and the failure  to replace them adequately were the final straws but it doesn't explain why we'd get a good kicking from half the championship now imo. There;s obviously some not putting in a shift but moreso there's a lack of confidence and understanding of what the manager requires.  Whatever his tactics are, they're not getting them or not able to put them into practice
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: passitsideways on March 16, 2016, 01:21:08 AM
I think we badly need a competent striker and a wide player who can get defences wobbly on a relatively consistent basis; we wouldn't be amiss with a midfielder who actually makes forward runs either. I mean, the only stretch of the season where we sort of looked competent was when Kozak started, as crap as he was, simply because he worked hard, held the ball up, and kept the centrebacks busy. Not saying it definitely would have continued if it weren't for the injury (which was always bound to happen given that he was being asked to run his balls off not very soon after coming back from a major injury), but it was at least something. It's pretty clear now that Gestede is only good for 20-30 minute cameos off the bench at PL level.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on March 16, 2016, 01:39:49 AM
Gestede was a TS personal pick he owns it and if we can point to any position that has bought our downfall it is the central striker. I only know what I've read and that is that when Garde came in he couldn't believe how unfit the players were, he got them doing loads of laps to get their fitness up which led to certain players complaining about his training regime. The point is well made that our players run the least of any team in the premiership and it shows I can't remember which game but a couple of months ago the whole team put in and closed down the opposition, they looked a different side that day but sadly it was a one off. I would just choose runners from now on and the first time Garde sees a player not chasing or closing down drag him off even if it's only ten minutes in, examples have to be made.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: VancouverLion on March 16, 2016, 03:18:01 AM
Even Hutton who as very limited as he is generally puts a shift in, jogged back with no attempt to tackle or intercept the cross for Kane' s 2nd Sunday.
The players offer nothing, sweet fa!
That ladies and gentlemen is why we're rock bottom and relegated.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 16, 2016, 05:49:00 AM
The point raised that our squad has more ability than lets say Bournemouth, I just do not see this lets take a couple of them for example, Bacuna do me a favor, no worse player in the prem, Westwood as bad as Bacuna, Richards awful defender, Gil as lightweight as any to be found in this division, Gestede calls himself a forward, god help us, Gabby need anymore be said, thats 6 players who have played a large part of this season, we are not where we are just because of effort, we are also there because we have to many players without the required ability and also who conspire to not put the effort in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on March 16, 2016, 07:19:48 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 16, 2016, 01:39:49 AM
Gestede was a TS personal pick he owns it and if we can point to any position that has bought our downfall it is the central striker. I only know what I've read and that is that when Garde came in he couldn't believe how unfit the players were, he got them doing loads of laps to get their fitness up which led to certain players complaining about his training regime. The point is well made that our players run the least of any team in the premiership and it shows I can't remember which game but a couple of months ago the whole team put in and closed down the opposition, they looked a different side that day but sadly it was a one off. I would just choose runners from now on and the first time Garde sees a player not chasing or closing down drag him off even if it's only ten minutes in, examples have to be made.

I don't think buying Gestede was a mistake, but picking him and not playing to his strengths is silly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on March 16, 2016, 07:22:55 AM
I'd say buying him in the first place and not playing to his strengths were both mistakes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: aev on March 16, 2016, 07:27:26 AM
Quote from: LukeJames on March 16, 2016, 07:22:55 AM
I'd say buying him in the first place and not playing to his strengths were both mistakes.

Maybe it was all part of the long term plan, as he has scored goals in the Championship before.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LukeJames on March 16, 2016, 07:37:31 AM
Quote from: aev on March 16, 2016, 07:27:26 AM
Quote from: LukeJames on March 16, 2016, 07:22:55 AM
I'd say buying him in the first place and not playing to his strengths were both mistakes.

Maybe it was all part of the long term plan, as he has scored goals in the Championship before.

With forward thinking like that we could take over the world!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 16, 2016, 12:01:31 PM
good heavens - the Randy, Rudy, and Remi show! It reads like a firm of shady lawyers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on March 16, 2016, 03:17:34 PM
Some may have seen a story going around about Sky Sports website stating Remi Garde had left.

http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7520491

We think it was via a 6th Form student (WBA fan) of ours who did this during a Media lesson. When I walked in the room he was in this morning, he specifically called me over to show me what he had done, which was basically altering the coding of a website page that had a different story about Remi Garde and Villa and it had the headline saying something along the lines of how Remi Garde has left Villa. I have to say, when I first saw it , it did look genuine.

He took a picture of it and posted it on Twitter, which then started doing the rounds, and ended up with other websites reporting that he'd left.

Makes a mockery of what people take for granted through rumour pages on the Internet and Newspapers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: class-of-82 on March 16, 2016, 06:04:44 PM
They should be all put on that Dudley wheel and never let off
Ay it
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 16, 2016, 06:31:15 PM
Quote from: class-of-82 on March 16, 2016, 06:04:44 PM
They should be all put on that Dudley wheel and never let off
Ay it

Dudley now has the wheel? I didn't even know they had fire. Bloody hell a lot has changed since I left the area.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Richard E on March 16, 2016, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 16, 2016, 06:31:15 PM
Quote from: class-of-82 on March 16, 2016, 06:04:44 PM
They should be all put on that Dudley wheel and never let off
Ay it

Dudley now has the wheel? I didn't even know they had fire. Bloody hell a lot has changed since I left the area.

Yeah, we have computers, electricity, all sorts of stuff now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on March 16, 2016, 07:04:55 PM
Quote from: Richard E on March 16, 2016, 06:44:31 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 16, 2016, 06:31:15 PM
Quote from: class-of-82 on March 16, 2016, 06:04:44 PM
They should be all put on that Dudley wheel and never let off
Ay it
And a great selection of second hand vinyl in the Salvation Army charity shop opposite the Little Barrel.

Dudley now has the wheel? I didn't even know they had fire. Bloody hell a lot has changed since I left the area.

Yeah, we have computers, electricity, all sorts of stuff now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 16, 2016, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on March 16, 2016, 05:49:00 AM
The point raised that our squad has more ability than lets say Bournemouth, I just do not see this lets take a couple of them for example, Bacuna do me a favor, no worse player in the prem, Westwood as bad as Bacuna, Richards awful defender, Gil as lightweight as any to be found in this division, Gestede calls himself a forward, god help us, Gabby need anymore be said, thats 6 players who have played a large part of this season, we are not where we are just because of effort, we are also there because we have to many players without the required ability and also who conspire to not put the effort in.
One of my incredibly deeply thought-out phrases after most games this season has been:
"You can carry one or two players who underperform, but you can't carry seven or eight"!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on March 16, 2016, 07:57:33 PM
To that Frank I would add my own homily.  You can carry one or two dressing room trouble makers but not four or five.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on March 16, 2016, 11:42:30 PM
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Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Diablo on March 16, 2016, 11:43:11 PM
An interesting, relevant and timely BBC article? Would football be different with six-month managers? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35820772
A defence for Remi?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 17, 2016, 12:41:35 AM
Quote from: dave shelley on March 15, 2016, 01:31:13 PM
Quote from: django on March 15, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
I was only nine at the time so i can't remember but was there this much support for McNeill in 87?

There wasn't social media as such back then otherwise IMO, it would just be the same.  There's always going to be divided opinion among football supporters, whatever the issue.

Most of the fans anger that season went towards Ellis from memory.  When McNeil came in he was yet another left field appointment given that citeh were fairly crap as well. 

Yet he got a new manager bounce and so got support.  That soon ebbed away however to an air of resignation as it dawned on us just how bad the side was.  I'm pretty sure there wasn't anywhere near the anger towards the players there is today though.  Hodge excepted.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 17, 2016, 01:36:58 PM
Quote from: class-of-82 on March 16, 2016, 06:04:44 PM
They should be all put on that Dudley wheel and never let off
Ay it

Yow can see Dudley Magistrates Court from the top of the wheel yow know..
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 17, 2016, 07:45:35 PM
The recent bloodletting at the club (Fox, Almstadt, Reilly next surely) makes me think more and more that Remi will be here next season.

Clearly, he's not been happy with them. They've now almost all gone and he's almost the last man standing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on March 17, 2016, 07:48:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 17, 2016, 07:45:35 PM
The recent bloodletting at the club (Fox, Almstadt, Reilly next surely) makes me think more and more that Remi will be here next season.

Clearly, he's not been happy with them. They've now almost all gone and he's almost the last man standing.

And it will be a good thing, a sign that they intend to do things properly.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 17, 2016, 07:51:10 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 17, 2016, 07:48:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 17, 2016, 07:45:35 PM
The recent bloodletting at the club (Fox, Almstadt, Reilly next surely) makes me think more and more that Remi will be here next season.

Clearly, he's not been happy with them. They've now almost all gone and he's almost the last man standing.

And it will be a good thing, a sign that they intend to do things properly.

I'd agree.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on March 17, 2016, 07:51:57 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 17, 2016, 07:48:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 17, 2016, 07:45:35 PM
The recent bloodletting at the club (Fox, Almstadt, Reilly next surely) makes me think more and more that Remi will be here next season.

Clearly, he's not been happy with them. They've now almost all gone and he's almost the last man standing.

And it will be a good thing, a sign that they intend to do things properly.
It would be even better if we could get rid of unwanted players just as easily. I'd trust Remi if he had his own team without the trouble makers. Unless those are turfed out I can not see it working here for him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Holtemeister on March 17, 2016, 07:52:20 PM
More like Hollis has had to convince Garde with actions rather than words that things will change and prove that he has the power to make the changes necessary.

Then again its not rocket science to work out that things have gone tits up and something needed to be done.

Problem is that we haven’t been assured that Garde is the right man to take us forward ... we still know no more than when he first joined us as he wasn’t given the chance to bring in his own players.

Purely on results and performance to date regrettably Id say no however what he would be like with his own team around him is another matter.   I really thought and hoped he would be the manager to lead us to mid table mediocrity but as we know thats just not worked out like that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 17, 2016, 07:53:10 PM
I got that impression from his last press conference. That he stated he had given his opinions and he is being consulted as part of the process to rectify the ills. Which is also why I think that once they have done with the boardroom/management changes, they'll tackle the players. But they need to get this but sorted first so they go into the summer with a clear and unified path. Irrespective of whichever division we find ourselves in.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy65 on March 17, 2016, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 17, 2016, 07:45:35 PM
The recent bloodletting at the club (Fox, Almstadt, Reilly next surely) makes me think more and more that Remi will be here next season.

Clearly, he's not been happy with them. They've now almost all gone and he's almost the last man standing.

Personally, I think after Reilly has gone, Remi will be go as well. Not such a bad thing either. A total clear out from the top with a load of players to go in the summer
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 17, 2016, 08:29:46 PM
I still think he will go back to France.  And then ladies and gentlemen a choice of Pearson, N or Penis, T.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 17, 2016, 08:35:36 PM
Not his players I know, not been backed as we all know. But, Remi has failed to control the players and perhaps the board will be considering whether they have made a mistake with his appointment, given he was another Fox appointee? I doubt we will be able to afford the wholesale changes amongst the playing staff that we are claiming to need, so Remi may have to fit in with the spending plan again.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Ads on March 17, 2016, 08:36:49 PM
Garde, Sherwood, Lambert, McLiesh, they all failed to get anything out of this squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Steve67 on March 17, 2016, 08:46:18 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 17, 2016, 08:36:49 PM
Garde, Sherwood, Lambert, McLiesh, they all failed to get anything out of this squad.

All poor managers to be fair. Remi aside. They purchased these players so they get what they deserve. It was totally their fault for not getting a tune out of them. We can only blame the board for appointing them and not giving them enough money. We cannot blame them for the piss poor tactics, player purchases or dynamics in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: DB on March 17, 2016, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 17, 2016, 07:51:10 PM
Quote from: LeeB on March 17, 2016, 07:48:26 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 17, 2016, 07:45:35 PM
The recent bloodletting at the club (Fox, Almstadt, Reilly next surely) makes me think more and more that Remi will be here next season.

Clearly, he's not been happy with them. They've now almost all gone and he's almost the last man standing.

And it will be a good thing, a sign that they intend to do things properly.

I'd agree.

Do we want him here next season? As said, as he done anything to show he can get us back up? Yes the squad is shit but has anything improved?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Matt C on March 17, 2016, 10:34:57 PM
I'd like to see what he can do with some freedom to make some changes but I find it increasingly hard to believe he'll be here come the summer. He wears the look of a broken man who has already checked out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on March 17, 2016, 10:46:45 PM
Quote
The recent bloodletting at the club (Fox, Almstadt, Reilly next surely) makes me think more and more that Remi will be here next season.

I think quite the opposite.

There's no way they were ever going to get rid of Garde and have to rush in a replacement with 8 games left. That would just be more expense, more hassle, more risk, for no real positive outcome on the season's ending. The new board members will be spending their time taking soundings about candidates for the manager's job between now and May.

Garde is a effectively a dead man walking. He's seeing out the season, making the expected noises about us still being in with a chance, but in reality knowing the inevitable will happen in May. Both to us as a team and to him as a manager.

The prime mover behind him being here (Fox) has gone. He'll have no sponsor backing him up. He's part of the cull - just the trigger won't be pulled until May (or maybe when we're mathematically down).

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: villabear on March 18, 2016, 11:06:54 AM
Matter of time?


http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/18/aston-villa-uncertain-remi-garde-future
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 18, 2016, 11:31:52 AM
Quote from: villabear on March 18, 2016, 11:06:54 AM
Matter of time?


http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/18/aston-villa-uncertain-remi-garde-future

it's the right approach and the right thing to say at the moment. It would be ludicrous to do otherwise and make a commitment to a manager that is sat bottom of the table. I believe though he is very much involved in the clean up and they will back him next season to show he can do the job without the distractions this season has brought. They will at least give him one transfer window. Off course if Garde feels its time to move on thats different but I'm not convinced he will.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: nodge on March 18, 2016, 11:35:20 AM
Sky are making a big deal of it, enough to put it on the yellow ticker this morning.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on March 18, 2016, 11:40:47 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 18, 2016, 11:31:52 AM
Quote from: villabear on March 18, 2016, 11:06:54 AM
Matter of time?


http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/18/aston-villa-uncertain-remi-garde-future

it's the right approach and the right thing to say at the moment. It would be ludicrous to do otherwise and make a commitment to a manager that is sat bottom of the table. I believe though he is very much involved in the clean up and they will back him next season to show he can do the job without the distractions this season has brought. They will at least give him one transfer window. Off course if Garde feels its time to move on thats different but I'm not convinced he will.

I agree. Hollis makes clear that RG is involved which is a good sign
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: b23 on March 18, 2016, 11:44:08 AM
Quote from: class-of-82 on March 16, 2016, 06:04:44 PM
They should be all put on that Dudley wheel and never let off
Ay it

Dudley Eye: Is it Britain's worst tourist attraction?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-35825747
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: Comrade Blitz on March 18, 2016, 11:45:44 AM
Having participated in the type of change management that Hollis is leading, I wouldn't necessarily think Garde's departure is inevitable.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on March 18, 2016, 01:52:20 PM
I thought I read somewhere that Lyon are keen to have him back.  I would have thought he would jump at the opportunity if it is true.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
Post by: mr underhill on March 18, 2016, 03:09:51 PM
I've read that too - if we haven't already riven Remi to the Absinthe, we soon will
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 18, 2016, 07:20:55 PM
I done a poll.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 18, 2016, 07:57:50 PM
At this time I think I'd like to see what he can do with some of the wasters out of the way and a chance to fill a few holes.  If we're mathematically relegated and he's still fielding the same teams and we're still toothless I'll change my mind but right now I think he's trying to keep the kids out of the spotlight whilst there's still something to play for.  If I'm right in 3-4 games we'll start seeing more of the kids involved to get a bit of experience next year.  Switching to them too soon would've been a white flag and would've detracted from them playing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Ian. on March 18, 2016, 08:27:52 PM
I would like him to stay.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 18, 2016, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: Ian J on March 18, 2016, 08:27:52 PM
I would like him to stay.

Phew, I do too. I agree with your sentiments entirely. We must be ideologically entwined, like Marx and Engels.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: rob_bridge on March 18, 2016, 09:41:12 PM
He should be our manager if the vast majority of the following are shifted on:

Hutton
Westwood
Gabby
Richards
Richardson
Westwood
Clark
Guzan
CNz
Bacuna

Scrap that he should be manager if all of them are gone. I've probably missed one or two.

If not he should resign and let someone else try their hand until they get a pay off around Christmas time. And another and another.

Garde is not the problem. He may not be the solution but until we address the other causes we won't know.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: olaftab on March 18, 2016, 09:45:45 PM
Have lost a little bit of confidence in him but he should stay and prove himself.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: rob_bridge on March 18, 2016, 09:47:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on March 18, 2016, 09:45:45 PM
Have lost a little bit of confidence in him but he should stay and prove himself.

So have I - I bet he has lost some confidence too Olaf managing that bunch of underperforming clowns with an appalling attitude. Them, not him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 18, 2016, 11:05:00 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on March 18, 2016, 09:41:12 PM
He should be our manager if the vast majority of the following are shifted on:

Hutton
Westwood
Gabby
Richards
Richardson
Westwood
Clark
Guzan
CNz
Bacuna

Scrap that he should be manager if all of them are gone. I've probably missed one or two.

If not he should resign and let someone else try their hand until they get a pay off around Christmas time. And another and another.

Garde is not the problem. He may not be the solution but until we address the other causes we won't know.

Westwood is so bad we should sell him twice.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 18, 2016, 11:09:21 PM
Sadly I think he should go. We need a complete change from this season. Players and manager. I fear too much " hangover " if he stays. A shame because he has more integrity than most at the club
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ozzjim on March 19, 2016, 02:58:18 AM
I reckon this new head of football operations is perfect for him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Axl Rose on March 19, 2016, 03:23:02 AM
I want him to go. Nothing personal,of course. Just his picking of appalling players week in,week out, regardless of their performances and behaviour.

He comes across as smart, articulate and knowledgeable. But ultimately, also weak and bereft of passion and motivational skills.

The main concern for me is who would replace him? I hear Pearson, Bruce.....incredibly depressing. I want Howe, and can't think of anyone else.

If he does stay, he will get my full backing. I hate myself for being so quick to judge him, considering the startling lack of backing from the board. I feel hypocritical. Maybe with a full summer and new board members behind him, we'll see an improvement.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: passitsideways on March 19, 2016, 03:24:55 AM
To be fair, he pretty much only has appalling players to pick from week in, week out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Axl Rose on March 19, 2016, 03:26:45 AM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 19, 2016, 03:24:55 AM
To be fair, he pretty much only has appalling players to pick from week in, week out.

That's true, and I know my argument is a much repeated one. I'd play the kids,but I'm not a manager and don't know how it all works.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: AV82EC on March 19, 2016, 03:31:36 AM
Stay for me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Rigadon on March 19, 2016, 06:47:18 AM
Go.  I think he's a poor manager managing an awful squad. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Steve67 on March 19, 2016, 07:52:39 AM
Statistics apart, not being supported in the market etc, I like the man but not the management. Don't care either way if he stays or goes but I have a perverse wish for him to go just to see who this board would bring in!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on March 19, 2016, 07:56:50 AM
Stay, if the squad is bombed. I think he will leave if not given assurances before the Summer that he can bring in his own players. The playing staff at the club are just rotten.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 19, 2016, 08:01:47 AM
has he won more games than sherwood?
has he tightened up the defence?
has he shown any motivational skills?
does he inspire confidence?
does he have a tactical plan?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: walsall villain on March 19, 2016, 08:07:18 AM
Quote from: aldridgeboy on March 18, 2016, 11:09:21 PM
Sadly I think he should go. We need a complete change from this season. Players and manager. I fear too much " hangover " if he stays. A shame because he has more integrity than most at the club
Yep, somehow can't imagine he will be able to turn things around sufficiently.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: olaftab on March 19, 2016, 08:28:18 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 19, 2016, 08:01:47 AM
has he won more games than sherwood?
has he tightened up the defence?
has he shown any motivational skills?
does he inspire confidence?
does he have a tactical plan?
OK but other than that what's wrong?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Ads on March 19, 2016, 08:31:29 AM
We he has won more than Sherwood could with his own players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: olaftab on March 19, 2016, 08:31:44 AM
Quote from: rob_bridge on March 18, 2016, 09:47:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on March 18, 2016, 09:45:45 PM
Have lost a little bit of confidence in him but he should stay and prove himself.

So have I - I bet he has lost some confidence too Olaf managing that bunch of underperforming clowns with an appalling attitude. Them, not him.
The problem is rob it's not so easy to move on  these lazy bastard masquerading as footballers these days as was proved with the original bomb squad. I hope we can bribe the fuckers to sign for Small Heath or Smethwick. It will be the best 20 Million ever spent.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: VillaAlways on March 19, 2016, 08:34:00 AM
I was all for Remi but sadly now I think he should go. His record is completely unacceptable, whether they are his players or not.

You are always going to get divisive characters in the dressing room, it's up to the manager to manage that

I also feel he is just ticking off each game til we're relegated

Not acceptable and neither is his record no matter what the circumstances

We need a completely fresh start
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: brian green on March 19, 2016, 08:44:09 AM
Firmly in the stay camp.

He inherited the biggest collective mess at all levels of the club from the owner down, that I can recall since WW2.

He has not been allowed to sign a single player, not one.

He has not been allowed to sell or dispose of the trouble makers at the core of the dressing room knife fighting.

He has not prejudiced the careers of young players by throwing them into dog fights with the shite hawks at the core of our squad around them dragging them down to their level.

We have to pull out of the tail spin that is hiring managers, chewing them up and spitting them out.

The manager, whether we like it or not, is the face of the club. Honesty, integrity and dignity in my view are the values I want Aston Villa to present to the world.  I cringe at the thought of the name Aston Villa being preceded in the media by "Nigel Pearson' s or Tony Pulis's or Harry Redknapp's or Neil Warnock's or Steve Bruce's or Billy Davies's or Schteve McClaren's.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Ormy Droid on March 19, 2016, 09:12:17 AM
If we can get rid of those elements in the squad who have lined themselves up against him and bring in some of his own players, I'd be happy for him to stay. But if we can't, sticking with him would just write off another season. I know the list of alternatives is depressing in the extreme, but IMO we could probably use a bit of Realpolitik in our current predicament.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: john e on March 19, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
But he's the manager, if he wants to get rid of the 'wastrels' then all he had to do is drop them

no one picks the side only him,
anyone he puts onto the pitch is his pick, he has options, not good or strong ones but he has them, it's not that the players he is choosing are making themselves up undroppable

If there is backroom problems he needs to be stronger especially while he has some support from the fans
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Diablo on March 19, 2016, 11:28:23 AM
Can we have an undecided added to the poll? As I am currently dazed and confused.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: TheMalandro on March 19, 2016, 11:41:51 AM
I hope he both wants and gets the chance next season,  but it is imperative the decision is made once relegation is confirmed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: andyh on March 19, 2016, 12:06:01 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 19, 2016, 08:31:29 AM
We he has won more than Sherwood could with his own players.

Last season, did Sherwood win as many games as Lambert, with Lamberts players?

Not advocating Sherwood in any way, just saying that you can still get a tune out of a broken fiddle.
And yes, I know he had Benteke and Delph and Cleverly,but  the team was stil destined to go down though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Ads on March 19, 2016, 12:07:58 PM
You've answered your own question. Sherwood had a 1 in 2 striker who had saved us the previous two seasons.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Ormy Droid on March 19, 2016, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: john e on March 19, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
But he's the manager, if he wants to get rid of the 'wastrels' then all he had to do is drop them

no one picks the side only him,
anyone he puts onto the pitch is his pick, he has options, not good or strong ones but he has them, it's not that the players he is choosing are making themselves up undroppable

If there is backroom problems he needs to be stronger especially while he has some support from the fans

I don't think dropping them is going to be enough, we need to get them away from our first team squad altogether such is the level of malaise/toxicity they've helped create. But if we can't do that and end up flogging the french contingent instead, it would be suicide to leave Garde in charge. We'll just have to wait and see how the summer and this review pans out first. Anyway, Remi might want to go back to Lyon, regardless of what our 'model' is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: sickbeggar on March 19, 2016, 12:42:43 PM
Still not getting the "he'll be good when we sell all the shite" arguement.. Someone please state a coherent scenario where anyone is going to buy Gabby, Bacuna and all the rest. And if its just the players, why didn't we just keep Sherwood and find a decent scout?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Jimbo on March 19, 2016, 12:55:01 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 19, 2016, 12:42:43 PM
Still not getting the "he'll be good when we sell all the shite" arguement.. Someone please state a coherent scenario where anyone is going to buy Gabby, Bacuna and all the rest. And if its just the players, why didn't we just keep Sherwood and find a decent scout?

Ooh, I know the answer. Is it because Sherwood is a thick twat who encourages dressing room cliques and leaks shit-stirring stories to the press?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mr underhill on March 19, 2016, 01:03:04 PM
I might be being thick but that doesn't address the issue of anyone (Garde/A N Other) trying to move on the shite we know exists and who must leave one way or the other. If the troublemakers do not go, it doesn't matter one iota who is in charge. The tail will still be wagging the dog.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 19, 2016, 03:24:55 AM
To be fair, he pretty much only has appalling players to pick from week in, week out.

Exactly. Like for tonights game we already know it's going to be an appalling starting 11 because that's all there is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: sickbeggar on March 19, 2016, 01:14:25 PM
Are they troublemakers though? Some of them have been shite for years but apart from being crap, there's not much evidence of causing trouble. Mebbe the signing of piss poor players has been been mirrored by employing piss poor managers
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: VillaAlways on March 19, 2016, 01:18:14 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 19, 2016, 03:24:55 AM
To be fair, he pretty much only has appalling players to pick from week in, week out.

Exactly. Like for tonights game we already know it's going to be an appalling starting 11 because that's all there is.
No there isn't. What's stopping him picking Green and Lyden
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on March 19, 2016, 01:18:14 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 19, 2016, 03:24:55 AM
To be fair, he pretty much only has appalling players to pick from week in, week out.

Exactly. Like for tonights game we already know it's going to be an appalling starting 11 because that's all there is.
No there isn't. What's stopping him picking Green and Lyden

Maybe not good enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: sickbeggar on March 19, 2016, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on March 19, 2016, 01:18:14 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 19, 2016, 03:24:55 AM
To be fair, he pretty much only has appalling players to pick from week in, week out.

Exactly. Like for tonights game we already know it's going to be an appalling starting 11 because that's all there is.
No there isn't. What's stopping him picking Green and Lyden

Maybe not good enough.


hah, so our players aren't good enough, but we shouldn't play youth players who may not be good enough?!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 19, 2016, 01:24:05 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on March 19, 2016, 01:18:14 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 19, 2016, 03:24:55 AM
To be fair, he pretty much only has appalling players to pick from week in, week out.

Exactly. Like for tonights game we already know it's going to be an appalling starting 11 because that's all there is.
No there isn't. What's stopping him picking Green and Lyden

Maybe not good enough.

If they're not better than Guzan and Bacuna then we're in deep shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:29:08 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 19, 2016, 01:24:05 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on March 19, 2016, 01:18:14 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 19, 2016, 03:24:55 AM
To be fair, he pretty much only has appalling players to pick from week in, week out.

Exactly. Like for tonights game we already know it's going to be an appalling starting 11 because that's all there is.
No there isn't. What's stopping him picking Green and Lyden

Maybe not good enough.

If they're not better than Guzan and Bacuna then we're in deep shit.

We are.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: VillaAlways on March 19, 2016, 01:30:46 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 19, 2016, 01:24:05 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on March 19, 2016, 01:18:14 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 19, 2016, 03:24:55 AM
To be fair, he pretty much only has appalling players to pick from week in, week out.

Exactly. Like for tonights game we already know it's going to be an appalling starting 11 because that's all there is.
No there isn't. What's stopping him picking Green and Lyden

Maybe not good enough.

If they're not better than Guzan and Bacuna then we're in deep shit.
Well a 20 year old has just scored for Arsenal on his first Premier League start. And they've come off a bad run. You have to take a chance sometimes. We've got nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 19, 2016, 01:35:44 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:29:08 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 19, 2016, 01:24:05 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on March 19, 2016, 01:18:14 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 19, 2016, 03:24:55 AM
To be fair, he pretty much only has appalling players to pick from week in, week out.

Exactly. Like for tonights game we already know it's going to be an appalling starting 11 because that's all there is.
No there isn't. What's stopping him picking Green and Lyden

Maybe not good enough.

If they're not better than Guzan and Bacuna then we're in deep shit.

We are.
So why doesn't Garde play the kids. Isn't the definition of madness doing the same thing time after time and expecting different results?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: brian green on March 19, 2016, 01:47:32 PM
We have potentially good future players to lose.

Look at the games we highlighted in Brian Little's career.  When Sid Cowans was eased into the first team he joined players of the stature of Brian Little, Andy Gray, John Gidman and Frank Carrodus.  Who of our senior players is going to guide and help Green or Lyden?
Bacuna? Westwood? Richardson? a captain who runs around like a cocker spaniel, a captain who baits the fans after a six nil home defeat, a captain who is overweight and bone idle, a goalkeeper who, when the mighty Wycombe Wanderers are putting us to the sword plays gum spitting games rather than follow play?

We need our young players for the future not as sacrificial lambs for a slaughter.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Clampy on March 19, 2016, 01:52:11 PM
I can kind of understand why he might be reluctant to play them at home, what with the atmosphere being the away it is. I don't see any reason why he couldn't throw a couple in today though. I really liked the look of Davies and Lyden for the U21's on Monday.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 19, 2016, 01:58:19 PM
Quote from: brian green on March 19, 2016, 01:47:32 PM
We have potentially good future players to lose.

Look at the games we highlighted in Brian Little's career.  When Sid Cowans was eased into the first team he joined players of the stature of Brian Little, Andy Gray, John Gidman and Frank Carrodus.  Who of our senior players is going to guide and help Green or Lyden?

Andy Gray would have been 20 when Sid made his debut as a teenager, Little and Gidman would have been 23. Hardly seasoned pros. Give the kids a go, Garde, the fans won't complain, they can't be worse than the first team and we've got nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: in exile on March 19, 2016, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 19, 2016, 01:58:19 PM
...Give the kids a go, Garde, the fans won't complain, they can't be worse than the first team and we've got nothing to lose.
I'm not arguing but how many do you introduce into the starting XI?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2016, 03:49:08 PM
It still needs to be a mix of experience and youth especially while we have a mathematical chance of staying up. I'm certainly in favour of not playing Gabby/Richards however and giving others an opportunity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: adrenachrome on March 19, 2016, 04:41:47 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 19, 2016, 01:03:04 PM
I might be being thick but that doesn't address the issue of anyone (Garde/A N Other) trying to move on the shite we know exists and who must leave one way or the other. If the troublemakers do not go, it doesn't matter one iota who is in charge. The tail will still be wagging the dog.

I would hazard that an effective purge of the malcontents and sufficient funds will be a prerequisite for him accepting the project. That is what I glean from the statements of all parties concerned. We shall see soon enough.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: exigo on March 19, 2016, 04:55:47 PM
Bring the kids in to replace those we never want to see in the shirt again. It's time to start planning for next season.
I'm all for keeping Ayew, Veretout, Adama in the team, when they're fit. But dropping Richards, Westwood, Gabby now sends them a message. We don't want you, start looking for a new club.

I can see why Garde might wait until we're mathematically gone. But after that, change has to happen.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 19, 2016, 07:17:13 PM
Garde really is pretty shite as an actual football manager isnt he? I mean he is wonderfully sane which I appreciate, been royally screwed by no transfers but still has to take the blame for the fact we play worse now than when he arrived. Sorry Remi thats on you son.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: MarkM on March 19, 2016, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on March 19, 2016, 07:17:13 PM
Garde really is pretty shite as an actual football manager isnt he? I mean he is wonderfully sane which I appreciate, been royally screwed by no transfers but still has to take the blame for the fact we play worse now than when he arrived. Sorry Remi thats on you son.

Agree 100% with this
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2016, 07:21:35 PM
Like I said before I flip flop on this topic constantly. Maybe a fresh start all round is the way to go but then the flip side is that it means these wanker players have won. Garde is a part of the issue and mainly because he looks thoroughly fucked off by it all. The players are the big issue and we have to purge as many of them as possible, and certainly the ones that have done this to our club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Risso on March 19, 2016, 07:24:36 PM
He's a bigger waste of space than Agbonlahor. Absolutely no chance he's going to hang round after going down so may as well pot him now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Richard E on March 19, 2016, 07:25:08 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 07:24:36 PM
He's a bigger waste of space than Agbonlahor. Absolutely no chance he's going to hang round after going down so may as well pot him now.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ez on March 19, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 07:24:36 PM
He's a bigger waste of space than Agbonlahor. Absolutely no chance he's going to hang round after going down so may as well pot him now.

Do you think a new manager coming in would get wins out of these players?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 19, 2016, 07:30:40 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 07:24:36 PM
He's a bigger waste of space than Agbonlahor. Absolutely no chance he's going to hang round after going down so may as well pot him now.

Do you think a new manager coming in would get wins out of these players?

Honestly yes. Or at least give us a better chance. These same players actually played marginally better when Garde arrived than now. He has taken them backwards.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Summers on March 19, 2016, 07:30:45 PM
I wish we'd sack him now. Let Kev Mac or Sir Brian finish the season.

Remi Garde's 13 or whateveer % win record is horrendous. Useless for us. Get rid.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: frank black on March 19, 2016, 07:31:12 PM
He's awful
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: CT on March 19, 2016, 07:31:23 PM
Quote from: Summers on March 19, 2016, 07:30:45 PM
I wish we'd sack him now. Let Kev Mac or Sir Brian finish the season.

Remi Garde's 13 or whateveer % win record is horrendous. Useless for us. Get rid.

This.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: DB on March 19, 2016, 07:32:32 PM
Yes, some against shit opposition. We just roll over every game.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Richard E on March 19, 2016, 07:32:56 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 07:24:36 PM
He's a bigger waste of space than Agbonlahor. Absolutely no chance he's going to hang round after going down so may as well pot him now.

Do you think a new manager coming in would get wins out of these players?

That's beside the point, our goose is cooked anyway. We may as well get next season's manager in now so he can hit the ground running.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2016, 07:34:24 PM
Brian Little will never be manager of Aston Villa again. And I would never want to have him manage this lot either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: LTA on March 19, 2016, 07:35:14 PM
This idiot does not give a shit about the club.  He's boring and has no passion   I hate the bloke.  Sooner he crawls back into the gutter where he belongs the better.

Just fuck off now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 19, 2016, 07:38:32 PM
Quote from: LTA on March 19, 2016, 07:35:14 PM
This idiot does not give a shit about the club.  He's boring and has no passion   I hate the bloke.  Sooner he crawls back into the gutter where he belongs the better.

Just fuck off now.

There there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: TonyD on March 19, 2016, 07:38:40 PM
Useless.  Pure and simple.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: AV89 on March 19, 2016, 07:39:18 PM
Quote from: LTA on March 19, 2016, 07:35:14 PM
This idiot does not give a shit about the club.  He's boring and has no passion   I hate the bloke.  Sooner he crawls back into the gutter where he belongs the better.

Just fuck off now.

Grow up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 07:39:19 PM
I'm torn. He talks the talk. Nearly everything he says is what I want to hear from the manager of this bunch of wasters. He sounds like he knows exactly what the problems are and what needs to be done. But then he fails to walk the walk. Which pisses me off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mr underhill on March 19, 2016, 07:41:44 PM
it must be hard to walk the walk when you don't really have anyone to help you do it
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: myf on March 19, 2016, 07:42:31 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 07:28:04 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 07:24:36 PM
He's a bigger waste of space than Agbonlahor. Absolutely no chance he's going to hang round after going down so may as well pot him now.

Do you think a new manager coming in would get wins out of these players?

a draw would be nice
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2016, 07:42:46 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 07:39:19 PM
I'm torn. He talks the talk. Nearly everything he says is what I want to hear from the manager of this bunch of wasters. He sounds like he knows exactly what the problems are and what needs to be done. But then he fails to walk the walk. Which pisses me off.

100% agree. The thing is he has been sucked into the spiral of depression now and cannot get out of it. He has to go back to work in Monday with this lot which can't be any fun. There's two months to go of this bollocks too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 19, 2016, 07:43:19 PM
Quote from: AV89 on March 19, 2016, 07:39:18 PM
Quote from: LTA on March 19, 2016, 07:35:14 PM
This idiot does not give a shit about the club.  He's boring and has no passion   I hate the bloke.  Sooner he crawls back into the gutter where he belongs the better.

Just fuck off now.

Grow up.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/14/article-1192916-00CB5DB100000190-868_468x575.jpg)

Here you go LTA.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: myf on March 19, 2016, 07:43:30 PM
Statistically the worst manager in our history?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: dave shelley on March 19, 2016, 07:43:46 PM
No matter who the manager is, he would never be able to legislate for a mistake the like of what that useless excuse for a goalkeeper Guzan did today.  Until that, we were doing ok given the pile of shite we are.

I don't get all this critisism Garde is getting because he's less than animated on the touchline.  He could be like a chimpanzee on speed and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.  A waste of energy IMO.  He has a fair idea what he's going to get even before the game kicks off.  The whole squad range in ability from diabolically shite at worst to poor at best.  No-hopers the lot of them.  Not Garde's fault.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Summers on March 19, 2016, 07:45:05 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2016, 07:42:46 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 07:39:19 PM
I'm torn. He talks the talk. Nearly everything he says is what I want to hear from the manager of this bunch of wasters. He sounds like he knows exactly what the problems are and what needs to be done. But then he fails to walk the walk. Which pisses me off.

100% agree. The thing is he has been sucked into the spiral of depression now and cannot get out of it. He has to go back to work in Monday with this lot which can't be any fun. There's two months to go of this bollocks too.

We can all see the problems, doesn't mean we'd be any good either. Garde can talk all day, but he's done nothing good for us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 07:45:59 PM
What we really need is an animated passionate manager. One that lets the team know what they should be doing. Someone like this fella.

(http://giant.gfycat.com/MarvelousNewJabiru.gif)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 19, 2016, 07:46:55 PM
See I don't really know what to think still from what I saw today we were defensively solid and gave them nothing and we were getting good balls into the box to create chances those are things that the manager is responsible for.  Guzan handing them a goal on a plate and us failing to hit the target are tougher because I'd put money on Gestede, Lescott and Clark to all bury the chances they had today in training.  I just find myself wondering how things may be if we looked remotely threatening and if we didn't have a defensive 5 who all look capable of gifting a goal.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2016, 07:47:05 PM
That's part of it too Dave, some of the errors and goals conceded cannot be explained. Not only does it crush us as fans, it must do the same to the manager and other players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2016, 07:48:22 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 07:45:59 PM
What we really need is an animated passionate manager. One that lets the team know what they should be doing. Someone like this fella.

(http://giant.gfycat.com/MarvelousNewJabiru.gif)

Just in case anyone wonders why we went on to lose that game, and why the season fell apart thereafter.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: KevinGage on March 19, 2016, 07:48:34 PM
At the moment we are the footballing equivalent of a free hit, and some of that - now- has to be down to Garde.

Swansea were there for the taking today. On their first half showing, any other side in the league (and a fair few in the league below) would have put a couple past them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 19, 2016, 07:51:32 PM
I don't get the "yeah, the players are shit, but he should be doing better" thing.

Who, for example, is he supposed to play who doesn't get picked at the moment up front?

Gestede is awful. Gabby is fat and shit. So who does he pick instead? Who do we have who could be getting us goals?

And suggesting some embryo from the academy who has never played for the first team as the answer is clutching at straws.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: CT on March 19, 2016, 07:51:55 PM
Exactly.

Twice this season, Swansea have been pretty poor, average at very best.

...and we've got no points.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: auntiesledd on March 19, 2016, 07:53:50 PM
I've been behind the guy until recently, but it appears he's given up now - like the majority of the players. Nobody else could survive the chop at VP with his abject record, so I fully expect him to be given his P45 asap (unless he walks).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: myf on March 19, 2016, 07:53:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 07:45:59 PM
What we really need is an animated passionate manager. One that lets the team know what they should be doing. Someone like this fella.

(http://giant.gfycat.com/MarvelousNewJabiru.gif)

at least he came in and motivated the squad, got us playing with a bit of fight and saved us. Garde has looked disinterested from the start. We clearly have no leaders on the pitch so a bit of passion from the bench may have helped
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 19, 2016, 07:54:51 PM
Quote from: myf on March 19, 2016, 07:53:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 07:45:59 PM
What we really need is an animated passionate manager. One that lets the team know what they should be doing. Someone like this fella.

(http://giant.gfycat.com/MarvelousNewJabiru.gif)

at least he came in and motivated the squad, got us playing with a bit of fight and saved us. Garde has looked disinterested from the start. We clearly have no leaders on the pitch so a bit of passion from the bench may have helped

Came in and motivated the squad - for half a dozen matches tops.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ronshirt on March 19, 2016, 07:55:35 PM
I thought I detected a bit of five o'clock shadow today. Managerial stubble has over the last couple of seasons usually equalled a lack of toil and a lot of trouble; cf McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Summers on March 19, 2016, 07:55:49 PM
A bad workman blames his tools.

Claudio Ranieri doesn't have the best players in the league, but he's going to win it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 07:57:15 PM
Quote from: myf on March 19, 2016, 07:53:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 07:45:59 PM
What we really need is an animated passionate manager. One that lets the team know what they should be doing. Someone like this fella.

(http://giant.gfycat.com/MarvelousNewJabiru.gif)

at least he came in and motivated the squad, got us playing with a bit of fight and saved us. Garde has looked disinterested from the start. We clearly have no leaders on the pitch so a bit of passion from the bench may have helped

4 points from the 10 games he was in charge this season suggests not. 4 points from 12 games if you include the last 2 of last season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Risso on March 19, 2016, 07:58:52 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 19, 2016, 07:51:32 PM
I don't get the "yeah, the players are shit, but he should be doing better" thing.

Who, for example, is he supposed to play who doesn't get picked at the moment up front?

Gestede is awful. Gabby is fat and shit. So who does he pick instead? Who do we have who could be getting us goals?

And suggesting some embryo from the academy who has never played for the first team as the answer is clutching at straws.

On the other hand, players get castigated for going through the motions and not giving a shit, so why should Garde get a pass for the same? He's just as half arsed and shit as the players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 08:00:22 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 19, 2016, 07:51:32 PM
I don't get the "yeah, the players are shit, but he should be doing better" thing.

Who, for example, is he supposed to play who doesn't get picked at the moment up front?

Gestede is awful. Gabby is fat and shit. So who does he pick instead? Who do we have who could be getting us goals?

And suggesting some embryo from the academy who has never played for the first team as the answer is clutching at straws.

I'd definitely be starting one or two kids now. There's nothing left to play for this season, let's see how they cope and who knows, it could be the making of them and it's 1, 2, 3 or whatever signings we don't need to make next season.
And if i'm honest, I reckon our U21 side could have managed 16 points or more by now if we'd played them instead of the first team all season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: dave shelley on March 19, 2016, 08:00:25 PM
Quote from: myf on March 19, 2016, 07:53:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 07:45:59 PM
What we really need is an animated passionate manager. One that lets the team know what they should be doing. Someone like this fella.

(http://giant.gfycat.com/MarvelousNewJabiru.gif)

at least he came in and motivated the squad, got us playing with a bit of fight and saved us. Garde has looked disinterested from the start. We clearly have no leaders on the pitch so a bit of passion from the bench may have helped

To what end though? He can't score the goals required, he can't defend the goal area as soft goals go in.  Just what do you expect the man to do?  None of us ever see or hear what sort of motivational speech he gives prior to the players taking the field.  They could be as fired up as the Towering Inferno but as is often quoted, time after time, once the players step over that white line, there is nothing the manager can do.  Just maybe, Garde has given as much passion as he has in that pre-match speech and knows that he can do no more.  Who knows?

As for that other prick Sherwood, he'd be better employed at this past weeks Cheltenham festival as a tic-tac man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 19, 2016, 08:01:59 PM
Regardless of whether Sherwood or Garde is more shit than another neither are right for us. We are going to have to play manager roulette again this summer.

I didnt want another change, I like Garde but this game has finally flipped me. He has to do better even with these players. Really has to. The fact that he still cannot manage that after all this time just cements that. Decent managers would at least have drilled the players for his style by this point, no matter how bad, he has not even managed that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 19, 2016, 08:06:15 PM
Quote from: myf on March 19, 2016, 07:53:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 07:45:59 PM
What we really need is an animated passionate manager. One that lets the team know what they should be doing. Someone like this fella.

(http://giant.gfycat.com/MarvelousNewJabiru.gif)

at least he came in and motivated the squad, got us playing with a bit of fight and saved us. Garde has looked disinterested from the start. We clearly have no leaders on the pitch so a bit of passion from the bench may have helped

Yes, someone waving their hands around and screaming a lot would really make up for the fact that we haven't got a striker worthy of the description. Of course, Sherwood having Benteke fit and available wasn't a factor at all in why we got a few wins with him last season and were dreadful this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: andyh on March 19, 2016, 08:06:56 PM
Quote from: Summers on March 19, 2016, 07:55:49 PM
A bad workman blames his tools.

Claudio Ranieri doesn't have the best players in the league, but he's going to win it.
Actually, this is a brilliant point.
The Leicester team should not be within a million miles of the champions league places, let alone winning the title.
But, there is every chance they will win the league.
Their manager has got an average team playing miles above their ability.

Surely, a decent manager could have gotten our load of shite playing 3 places better than we actually are?
 Just 3 fucking places !
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 08:07:44 PM
I prefer Garde to Sherwood. However that's beginning to feel like saying i'd prefer to be punched in the face rather than kicked in the bollocks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mr-villa on March 19, 2016, 08:09:00 PM
Quote from: MarkM on March 19, 2016, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on March 19, 2016, 07:17:13 PM
Garde really is pretty shite as an actual football manager isnt he? I mean he is wonderfully sane which I appreciate, been royally screwed by no transfers but still has to take the blame for the fact we play worse now than when he arrived. Sorry Remi thats on you son.

Agree 100% with this

Don't agree he needs to be given the chance to work with his own players.  He has made it patently obvious that he thinks a core of the squad is not making an effort so therefore like any manager he should be given the opportunity to shape his own squad every other manager under Lerner has been allowed this opportunity, even TSM and he came from a place worse than hell!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ez on March 19, 2016, 08:09:36 PM
The trouble with changing managers again is the new guy is going to have to judge the squad for himself before deciding it's rubbish and we need a clearout.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 19, 2016, 08:11:12 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 19, 2016, 08:06:56 PM
Quote from: Summers on March 19, 2016, 07:55:49 PM
A bad workman blames his tools.

Claudio Ranieri doesn't have the best players in the league, but he's going to win it.
Actually, this is a brilliant point.
The Leicester team should not be within a million miles of the champions league places, let alone winning the title.
But, there is every chance they will win the league.
Their manager has got an average team playing miles above their ability.

Surely, a decent manager could have gotten our load of shite playing 3 places better than we actually are?
 Just 3 fucking places !

Good point. Including by the way Marc Albrighton who was discarded by us because he wasnt good enough to make this squad. Which he wasnt. And yet now under a good manager is having a solid season at the top of the table.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mr-villa on March 19, 2016, 08:11:14 PM
Quote from: LTA on March 19, 2016, 07:35:14 PM
This idiot does not give a shit about the club.  He's boring and has no passion   I hate the bloke.  Sooner he crawls back into the gutter where he belongs the better.

Just fuck off now.

Sorry you didn't clarify which PLAYER are you referring to?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Richard E on March 19, 2016, 08:11:50 PM
Quote from: ez on March 19, 2016, 08:09:36 PM
The trouble with changing managers again is the new guy is going to have to judge the squad for himself before deciding it's rubbish and we need a clearout.

Only if he's been held hostage without any access to TV, radio or the internet since August.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Risso on March 19, 2016, 08:11:54 PM
Garde isn't making an effort either though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: myf on March 19, 2016, 08:12:05 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on March 19, 2016, 08:00:25 PM
Quote from: myf on March 19, 2016, 07:53:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 07:45:59 PM
What we really need is an animated passionate manager. One that lets the team know what they should be doing. Someone like this fella.

(http://giant.gfycat.com/MarvelousNewJabiru.gif)

at least he came in and motivated the squad, got us playing with a bit of fight and saved us. Garde has looked disinterested from the start. We clearly have no leaders on the pitch so a bit of passion from the bench may have helped

To what end though? He can't score the goals required, he can't defend the goal area as soft goals go in.  Just what do you expect the man to do?  None of us ever see or hear what sort of motivational speech he gives prior to the players taking the field.  They could be as fired up as the Towering Inferno but as is often quoted, time after time, once the players step over that white line, there is nothing the manager can do.  Just maybe, Garde has given as much passion as he has in that pre-match speech and knows that he can do no more.  Who knows?

As for that other prick Sherwood, he'd be better employed at this past weeks Cheltenham festival as a tic-tac man.

I expected a bit of positivity when he joined the club when we still had a chance. Weve seen nowt. The point im making is even sherwood could manage a few decent performances and wins just by inspiring a bit of fight.

IMO we've been far worse under garde than sherwood.  That's saying something
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2016, 08:12:06 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 19, 2016, 08:06:56 PM
Quote from: Summers on March 19, 2016, 07:55:49 PM
A bad workman blames his tools.

Claudio Ranieri doesn't have the best players in the league, but he's going to win it.
Actually, this is a brilliant point.
The Leicester team should not be within a million miles of the champions league places, let alone winning the title.
But, there is every chance they will win the league.
Their manager has got an average team playing miles above their ability.

Surely, a decent manager could have gotten our load of shite playing 3 places better than we actually are?
 Just 3 fucking places !

Though I would be loathe to credit Pearson with anything Ranieri did build on the incredible run that Leicester went on at the end of last season. What was intelligent about initially and he has been since is not trying to fix something that wasn't broken and had some momentum. He was precisely what they needed and has sufficient experience and smarts to just keeper nudging what has become a juggernaut along the path to the title. It's arguably going to be the greatest achievement in the history of top flight football in England.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 19, 2016, 08:14:13 PM
Quote from: myf on March 19, 2016, 08:12:05 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on March 19, 2016, 08:00:25 PM
Quote from: myf on March 19, 2016, 07:53:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 07:45:59 PM
What we really need is an animated passionate manager. One that lets the team know what they should be doing. Someone like this fella.

(http://giant.gfycat.com/MarvelousNewJabiru.gif)

at least he came in and motivated the squad, got us playing with a bit of fight and saved us. Garde has looked disinterested from the start. We clearly have no leaders on the pitch so a bit of passion from the bench may have helped

To what end though? He can't score the goals required, he can't defend the goal area as soft goals go in.  Just what do you expect the man to do?  None of us ever see or hear what sort of motivational speech he gives prior to the players taking the field.  They could be as fired up as the Towering Inferno but as is often quoted, time after time, once the players step over that white line, there is nothing the manager can do.  Just maybe, Garde has given as much passion as he has in that pre-match speech and knows that he can do no more.  Who knows?

As for that other prick Sherwood, he'd be better employed at this past weeks Cheltenham festival as a tic-tac man.

I expected a bit of positivity when he joined the club when we still had a chance. Weve seen nowt. The point im making is even sherwood could manage a few decent performances and wins just by inspiring a bit of fight.

Could he? Would you like to point me to a match this season where he did that i.e. minus Benteke?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: adrenachrome on March 19, 2016, 08:14:33 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 07:58:52 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 19, 2016, 07:51:32 PM
I don't get the "yeah, the players are shit, but he should be doing better" thing.

Who, for example, is he supposed to play who doesn't get picked at the moment up front?

Gestede is awful. Gabby is fat and shit. So who does he pick instead? Who do we have who could be getting us goals?

And suggesting some embryo from the academy who has never played for the first team as the answer is clutching at straws.

On the other hand, players get castigated for going through the motions and not giving a shit, so why should Garde get a pass for the same? He's just as half arsed and shit as the players.

On the basis of his coefficient of animation? 
Jump up Jump up And Turn around
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: andyh on March 19, 2016, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2016, 08:12:06 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 19, 2016, 08:06:56 PM
Quote from: Summers on March 19, 2016, 07:55:49 PM
A bad workman blames his tools.

Claudio Ranieri doesn't have the best players in the league, but he's going to win it.
Actually, this is a brilliant point.
The Leicester team should not be within a million miles of the champions league places, let alone winning the title.
But, there is every chance they will win the league.
Their manager has got an average team playing miles above their ability.

Surely, a decent manager could have gotten our load of shite playing 3 places better than we actually are?
 Just 3 fucking places !

Though I would be loathe to credit Pearson with anything Ranieri did build on the incredible run that Leicester went on at the end of last season. What was intelligent about initially and he has been since is not trying to fix something that wasn't broken and had some momentum. He was precisely what they needed and has sufficient experience and smarts to just keeper nudging what has become a juggernaut along the path to the title. It's arguably going to be the greatest achievement in the history of top flight football in England.
I totally agree.
I think the most intelligent thing about their situation though is that, they made a great choice in bringing in a manger who could carry on that momentum.
Never in their wildest dreams would they have expected is to carry on like it has though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2016, 08:16:47 PM
And it wasn't the most popular hire either. Ranieri was seen by most as washed up, way past his best. Nobody saw this coming.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: adrenachrome on March 19, 2016, 08:18:14 PM
Jump up, Remi!

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Matt C on March 19, 2016, 08:20:15 PM
Yes he was dealt a bad hand, yes the damage was done before he arrived, yes he was shafted in January... But the bloke dearly needed to deliver some green shoots, just a hint of upward trajectory and instead we're regressing - incredibly - even further.

I think the writing is on the wall unfortunately which is a real shame because I really thought he'd be the man to sort it out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 19, 2016, 08:21:22 PM
I honestly don't care whether he jumps and does cartwheels or just sits there smoking. 

What I do care about is him seeming to have the first idea of how to motivate and organise a team that's a) running through walls not to lose and b) have some idea of how to play to score goals to win a game.  He's shown none of this.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: adrenachrome on March 19, 2016, 08:22:00 PM
Git Mac Daddy and Kriss Kross on RG's case innit.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Risso on March 19, 2016, 08:23:27 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 19, 2016, 08:21:22 PM
I honestly don't care whether he jumps and does cartwheels or just sits there smoking. 

What I do care about is him seeming to have the first idea of how to motivate and organise a team that's a) running through walls not to lose and b) have some idea of how to play to score goals to win a game.  He's shown none of this.

Indeed. His approach to management is to tell everybody they're shit and sit around looking glum.   He hasn't shown any ability at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: adrenachrome on March 19, 2016, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 08:23:27 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 19, 2016, 08:21:22 PM
I honestly don't care whether he jumps and does cartwheels or just sits there smoking. 

What I do care about is him seeming to have the first idea of how to motivate and organise a team that's a) running through walls not to lose and b) have some idea of how to play to score goals to win a game.  He's shown none of this.

Indeed. His approach to management is to tell everybody they're shit and sit around looking glum.   He hasn't shown any ability at all.

I never saw Ron Saunders looking anything other than glum, so I would suggest it is a red herring.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: myf on March 19, 2016, 08:32:09 PM
Sheffield - did sherwood inspire a turn around in form with lamberts squad?

Sherwood was a disaster granted, but it would have been nice to have seem some fight and passion from a new manager
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: DaveD on March 19, 2016, 08:35:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 08:23:27 PM

His approach to management is to tell everybody they're shit and sit around looking glum.


That's just being French.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 19, 2016, 08:36:40 PM
Quote from: DaveD on March 19, 2016, 08:35:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 08:23:27 PM

His approach to management is to tell everybody they're shit and sit around looking glum.


That's just being French.

/hands over trophy

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 19, 2016, 08:39:12 PM
just get Pearson in - f@@k it - Leicesters success  has a lot to do with him

collymore saying Bruce would go Villa ... ermmmmm
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 08:42:29 PM
collymore also said McInally was part of the 86/87 side. And shouted "go on then" in encouragement of a late Swansea attack. He's a prize plum so my default position is we should do the exact opposite of anything he says.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: adrenachrome on March 19, 2016, 08:43:18 PM
Quote from: DaveD on March 19, 2016, 08:35:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 08:23:27 PM

His approach to management is to tell everybody they're shit and sit around looking glum.


That's just being French.

Xenophobic bullshit.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: DaveD on March 19, 2016, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on March 19, 2016, 08:43:18 PM
Quote from: DaveD on March 19, 2016, 08:35:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 08:23:27 PM

His approach to management is to tell everybody they're shit and sit around looking glum.


That's just being French.

Xenophobic bullshit.

Or humour. Definitely one of the two
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 19, 2016, 08:47:08 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2016, 08:12:06 PM
Quote from: andyh on March 19, 2016, 08:06:56 PM
Quote from: Summers on March 19, 2016, 07:55:49 PM
A bad workman blames his tools.

Claudio Ranieri doesn't have the best players in the league, but he's going to win it.
Actually, this is a brilliant point.
The Leicester team should not be within a million miles of the champions league places, let alone winning the title.
But, there is every chance they will win the league.
Their manager has got an average team playing miles above their ability.

Surely, a decent manager could have gotten our load of shite playing 3 places better than we actually are?
 Just 3 fucking places !

Though I would be loathe to credit Pearson with anything Ranieri did build on the incredible run that Leicester went on at the end of last season. What was intelligent about initially and he has been since is not trying to fix something that wasn't broken and had some momentum. He was precisely what they needed and has sufficient experience and smarts to just keeper nudging what has become a juggernaut along the path to the title. It's arguably going to be the greatest achievement in the history of top flight football in England.

No argument about it. It's incredible, and actually a little bit beautiful (assuming it happens!).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 19, 2016, 08:49:40 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 19, 2016, 08:42:29 PM
collymore also said McInally was part of the 86/87 side. And shouted "go on then" in encouragement of a late Swansea attack. He's a prize plum so my default position is we should do the exact opposite of anything he says.

go on then did he ? cnut
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 19, 2016, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: DaveD on March 19, 2016, 08:35:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 08:23:27 PM

His approach to management is to tell everybody they're shit and sit around looking glum.


That's just being French.

Air of sulky detachment: check.
Expression of withering contempt: check.
Lit Gitane: ....

Someone give that man a fag!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on March 19, 2016, 09:05:55 PM
Theres no way back from here, the new board need to make the decision now personally i think he was the right man at the wrong time but with all the defeats hes inspiring no one in that dressing room anymore. Let him go this week and get someone in place before the Summer to assess the squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: myf on March 19, 2016, 09:11:06 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on March 19, 2016, 09:05:55 PM
Theres no way back from here, the new board need to make the decision now personally i think he was the right man at the wrong time but with all the defeats hes inspiring no one in that dressing room anymore. Let him go this week and get someone in place before the Summer to assess the squad.

"anymore" - did he ever?  I agree the sooner he leaves the better.  Just can't see us paying him off though with our financial predicament
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 19, 2016, 09:56:40 PM
Simply have not seen anything positive from him.  All Mr Gard seems to do is underline the issues with the team. 

We may just have to go with someone who initially is an unpopular chosen one for the job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ozzjim on March 19, 2016, 10:08:05 PM
I think he is irrevocably damaged by this season.  He and Villa need to part ways for the sake of both.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 19, 2016, 10:13:55 PM
He's not to blame but he needs to go. An absolute fresh start is the only way forward.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: David_Nab on March 19, 2016, 10:36:41 PM
Ranieri walked into a upwards moving Leicester and has done very well to keep that momentum going helped by being graced with 2 of the stand out players in the league this season , Vardy and Marhrez.Garde meanwhile walked into a club who have been heading downwards for 4 seasons and hadn't won in a number of games.

At the beginning of the season if you had been offered Garde , who had down well at Lyon during cost cutting measures at the club or Ranieri who as boss of Greece didn't win in 4 games and lost to the Faroe islands who would you have picked ?More interestingly if the mangers had gone to the opposite clubs would the clubs fortunes also be reversed , would Leicester under Garde be heading down without a trace and would Ranieri's Villa be 8 points clear at the top of the league ?

The manager can effect a club of that there is no doubt but he does need the tools , the players to perform to his directions.Garde his is blameless no he takes some responsibility but he hasn't the fundamentals in place .Case in point the position of goalkeeper , clearly Guzan was has not been rated be either TS or RG yet he is still out best keeper because as a , current at least Prem League club we have spent under £1.1mil on 3 senior goalkeepers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 19, 2016, 10:46:17 PM
Quote from: LTA on March 19, 2016, 07:35:14 PM
This idiot does not give a shit about the club.  He's boring and has no passion   I hate the bloke.  Sooner he crawls back into the gutter where he belongs the better.

Just fuck off now.

One more like that and you'll be the one going.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: villan from luton on March 19, 2016, 10:56:02 PM
I actually feel sorry for Garde, but he is not what we need going forward IMO.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: phantom limb on March 19, 2016, 11:18:24 PM
Collymore reckons he'll be sacked this week.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 19, 2016, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.

Trumpesque in its credibility.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ROBBO on March 19, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.


Ridiculous statement, if Garde had the same squad as last season and had the same results I would agree but the fact is that the three best players from last season were sold and replaced with very average footballers. Sherwood was sacked because he had the same squad and couldn't win games either I don't care who we took on as manager the result would have been the same because we have the worst Villa squad I can ever remember.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: VinnieChase84 on March 19, 2016, 11:27:20 PM
Gone by end of Monday it seems. Firmly file his tenure as manager and impact on us in the same file that David Unsworth had
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: peter w on March 19, 2016, 11:32:30 PM
Whatever you think of Garde he hasn't been a success. I'm not sure whether the January lack of sales should really be held as his prime defence either. he missed out on a Croatian B keeper, a defender who went on loan to Bordeaux (I think) and a player who preferred Newcastle because they weren't rooted to the bottom. I'm not sure where the board went wrong on that one.

Garde has said the right things but really other than going from a totally aimless shit team to a totally shit team what has he done? Gestede and Ayew together could have been a way forward but we've seen it rarely. Wycombe haven't got the players but they gave us a game twice so I don't accept that you cannot get a bunch of players, the current ones, and forge them into a team that, well, tries a little. It's simply just not good enough.

I'm still torn though. I like him. He might be brilliant. He just hasn't got that across.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:43:59 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on March 19, 2016, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.

Trumpesque in its credibility.
Quote from: ROBBO on March 19, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.


Ridiculous statement, if Garde had the same squad as last season and had the same results I would agree but the fact is that the three best players from last season were sold and replaced with very average footballers. Sherwood was sacked because he had the same squad and couldn't win games either I don't care who we took on as manager the result would have been the same because we have the worst Villa squad I can ever remember.

So prove me wrong ?

Get your stats out.

He may have mitigating circumstances. Granted.

He's been another Managerial disaster.

Tell me why he should'nt get the tin tack.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: adrenachrome on March 19, 2016, 11:46:04 PM
Quote from: DaveD on March 19, 2016, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on March 19, 2016, 08:43:18 PM
Quote from: DaveD on March 19, 2016, 08:35:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 08:23:27 PM

His approach to management is to tell everybody they're shit and sit around looking glum.


That's just being French.

Xenophobic bullshit.

Or humour. Definitely one of the two

UKIP have some great jokes about the frogs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Ads on March 19, 2016, 11:48:41 PM
I can't see why you'd bother sacking him now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: peter w on March 19, 2016, 11:50:50 PM
Ahh, why not? Everything else has been fucked up and mind-bogglingly bizarre this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: DB on March 19, 2016, 11:51:00 PM
Now would be a good time to lose him. We are down, get someone* in who can assess the squad and get ready for the summer to get players in etc. Or sounding candidates out

*'someone' is the magic ingredient here
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 19, 2016, 11:51:11 PM
13%win rate , probably is the worse. his players or not , its bad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on March 19, 2016, 11:51:21 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on March 19, 2016, 11:46:04 PM
Quote from: DaveD on March 19, 2016, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on March 19, 2016, 08:43:18 PM
Quote from: DaveD on March 19, 2016, 08:35:19 PM
Quote from: Risso on March 19, 2016, 08:23:27 PM

His approach to management is to tell everybody they're shit and sit around looking glum.


That's just being French.

Xenophobic bullshit.

Or humour. Definitely one of the two

UKIP have some great jokes about the frogs.
I very much doubt UKIP have anything funny to say.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:55:42 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 19, 2016, 11:48:41 PM
I can't see why you'd bother sacking him now.

Like Fox ?

Like Almstadt ?

Like the Playstation guy [/hopefully]

Garde has to go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: KevinGage on March 20, 2016, 12:00:49 AM
I just think back to that Everton away game and I felt then he wouldn't be able to get the reaction we required.

After the start to the season we had when we gobbed it in a succession of supposedly easier fixtures, we needed to pull out an unexpected win or two to get our season back on track.

Not that I was expecting us to just go up there and roll them over. Even when we had a good side, you couldn't bank on that. But I had expected a bit of fire, players proving they were up for it and busting to impress a new manager.

What we got was a limp-wristed surrender as dismal as anything Houllier or McLeish served up, just sitting off them and playing the game at testimonial pace. Everton got 4 but they could have had as many as they wanted that afternoon. There have been too many performances like that with Garde in charge, even if the scoreline hasn't always been as emphatic as that afternoon.

Accepting there are some rotters and malcontents in the side (as is true in most workplaces)not all of this is on Garde, But he didn't get enough of the squad onside early enough in his tenure to make a difference.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:04:41 AM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on March 19, 2016, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.



Trumpesque in its credibility.

I'm waiting for your response.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 19, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.


Ridiculous statement, if Garde had the same squad as last season and had the same results I would agree but the fact is that the three best players from last season were sold and replaced with very average footballers. Sherwood was sacked because he had the same squad and couldn't win games either I don't care who we took on as manager the result would have been the same because we have the worst Villa squad I can ever remember.

I'm waiting for your response too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 19, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.


Ridiculous statement, if Garde had the same squad as last season and had the same results I would agree but the fact is that the three best players from last season were sold and replaced with very average footballers. Sherwood was sacked because he had the same squad and couldn't win games either I don't care who we took on as manager the result would have been the same because we have the worst Villa squad I can ever remember.

I'm waiting for your response too.

You answered your own question - mitigating circumstances, to a pretty extreme degree. That doesn't necessarily mean he's any good either, but it makes any assessment pretty much impossible.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:13:40 AM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 19, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.


Ridiculous statement, if Garde had the same squad as last season and had the same results I would agree but the fact is that the three best players from last season were sold and replaced with very average footballers. Sherwood was sacked because he had the same squad and couldn't win games either I don't care who we took on as manager the result would have been the same because we have the worst Villa squad I can ever remember.

I'm waiting for your response too.

You answered your own question - mitigating circumstances, to a pretty extreme degree. That doesn't necessarily mean he's any good either, but it makes any assessment pretty much impossible.

Are you a Garde fan ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:17:08 AM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 19, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.


Ridiculous statement, if Garde had the same squad as last season and had the same results I would agree but the fact is that the three best players from last season were sold and replaced with very average footballers. Sherwood was sacked because he had the same squad and couldn't win games either I don't care who we took on as manager the result would have been the same because we have the worst Villa squad I can ever remember.

I'm waiting for your response too.

You answered your own question - mitigating circumstances, to a pretty extreme degree. That doesn't necessarily mean he's any good either, but it makes any assessment pretty much impossible.

Agreed. What people seem to ignore is that with a few tweaks here and there these players have failed under several managers now. Most of them are just utterly rubbish and I genuinely believe you could chuck any manager in here and we'd bomb. I don't know if Garde can suceed, but to write him off before he's been able to sign any players is too soon.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 12:17:59 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:13:40 AM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 19, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.


Ridiculous statement, if Garde had the same squad as last season and had the same results I would agree but the fact is that the three best players from last season were sold and replaced with very average footballers. Sherwood was sacked because he had the same squad and couldn't win games either I don't care who we took on as manager the result would have been the same because we have the worst Villa squad I can ever remember.

I'm waiting for your response too.

You answered your own question - mitigating circumstances, to a pretty extreme degree. That doesn't necessarily mean he's any good either, but it makes any assessment pretty much impossible.

Are you a Garde fan ?

I don't see why it matters. For the record, I'd prefer if he stayed, but I wouldn't give a toss if he left providing we hired someone sensible in his place.

Anyway, the burden of proof's really on you if you're going to make such a severe claim. I think we've agree that he's inherited a squad with no players capable of leading the line, an ineffective midfield, a leaky defence, and two sub-par goalkeepers, and then been given no money to improve on any of it. Even the best managers would have struggled to get something out of them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:19:05 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 19, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.


Ridiculous statement, if Garde had the same squad as last season and had the same results I would agree but the fact is that the three best players from last season were sold and replaced with very average footballers. Sherwood was sacked because he had the same squad and couldn't win games either I don't care who we took on as manager the result would have been the same because we have the worst Villa squad I can ever remember.

I'm waiting for your response too.

Looks like he's given you a response to me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 12:19:29 AM
If Garde is going then it's just an admission that he's exhausted by it all. The life has simply been sucked out of him and he just looks massively fucked off. I don't blame him at all, and it wouldn't have been a shock to see him pull out a bottle of something strong when the goal went in today. I honestly believe the board wanted him to be the manager next year but given that we have two months to go, with everything else changing we may as well consider changing the manager now. A lot of good things are happening behind the scenes but this is obviously going to get worse than better. With Norwich winning and opening a 12 point gap (13 points if you consider the GD) then it's absolutely inevitable we are gone.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:31:20 AM


Quote from: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 12:17:59 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:13:40 AM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 19, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.


Ridiculous statement, if Garde had the same squad as last season and had the same results I would agree but the fact is that the three best players from last season were sold and replaced with very average footballers. Sherwood was sacked because he had the same squad and couldn't win games either I don't care who we took on as manager the result would have been the same because we have the worst Villa squad I can ever remember.

I'm waiting for your response too.

You answered your own question - mitigating circumstances, to a pretty extreme degree. That doesn't necessarily mean he's any good either, but it makes any assessment pretty much impossible.

Are you a Garde fan ?

I don't see why it matters. For the record, I'd prefer if he stayed, but I wouldn't give a toss if he left providing we hired someone sensible in his place.

Anyway, the burden of proof's really on you if you're going to make such a severe claim. I think we've agree that he's inherited a squad with no players capable of leading the line, an ineffective midfield, a leaky defence, and two sub-par goalkeepers, and then been given no money to improve on any of it. Even the best managers would have struggled to get something out of them.

13% win rate.

Which Villa Manager has stats worse than that ?




Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 20, 2016, 12:32:28 AM
I too think Garde is an honourable, decent man, who took the opportunity offered to him to manage a PL club. He was then given no support by his employers and also some of the players seemed to rally against him. Under those circumstances I think most managers would suffer poor results. I do think that he is now out of his depth and will be sacked, or resign, at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:34:28 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:31:20 AM


Quote from: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 12:17:59 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:13:40 AM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 19, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.


Ridiculous statement, if Garde had the same squad as last season and had the same results I would agree but the fact is that the three best players from last season were sold and replaced with very average footballers. Sherwood was sacked because he had the same squad and couldn't win games either I don't care who we took on as manager the result would have been the same because we have the worst Villa squad I can ever remember.

I'm waiting for your response too.

You answered your own question - mitigating circumstances, to a pretty extreme degree. That doesn't necessarily mean he's any good either, but it makes any assessment pretty much impossible.

Are you a Garde fan ?

I don't see why it matters. For the record, I'd prefer if he stayed, but I wouldn't give a toss if he left providing we hired someone sensible in his place.

Anyway, the burden of proof's really on you if you're going to make such a severe claim. I think we've agree that he's inherited a squad with no players capable of leading the line, an ineffective midfield, a leaky defence, and two sub-par goalkeepers, and then been given no money to improve on any of it. Even the best managers would have struggled to get something out of them.

13% win rate.

Which Villa Manager has stats worse than that ?






Who's had a worse squad? Stats are arbitrary. No ones saying he's done well, but anyone who is unaware of just how bad our squad is is either deluded or willfully ignorant.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Matt C on March 20, 2016, 12:35:23 AM
Growing media consensus he'll be off this week. Shame - definitely not the root of the problem but it's becoming difficult to envisage he's part of the solution.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 12:37:38 AM
Quote from: Matt C on March 20, 2016, 12:35:23 AM
Growing media consensus he'll be off this week. Shame - definitely not the root of the problem but it's becoming difficult to envisage he's part of the solution.

Unfortunately Matt he's been drowned by it all and has become part of the problem. I think the club will ditch the wanker players in the summer. There's no way some of this lot are getting away with it, but Garde isn't helping matters at all now, and 6 straight defeats is the final nail in the coffin it appears.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:40:35 AM
Sorry where's this media consensus being reported?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 12:43:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:40:35 AM
Sorry where's this media consensus being reported?

Stan appears pretty convinced by it and he's pretty connected. Not saying it's 100% or anything but with the international break it won't be a shock either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:47:13 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:34:28 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:31:20 AM


Quote from: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 12:17:59 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:13:40 AM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 19, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.


Ridiculous statement, if Garde had the same squad as last season and had the same results I would agree but the fact is that the three best players from last season were sold and replaced with very average footballers. Sherwood was sacked because he had the same squad and couldn't win games either I don't care who we took on as manager the result would have been the same because we have the worst Villa squad I can ever remember.

I'm waiting for your response too.

You answered your own question - mitigating circumstances, to a pretty extreme degree. That doesn't necessarily mean he's any good either, but it makes any assessment pretty much impossible.

Are you a Garde fan ?

I don't see why it matters. For the record, I'd prefer if he stayed, but I wouldn't give a toss if he left providing we hired someone sensible in his place.

Anyway, the burden of proof's really on you if you're going to make such a severe claim. I think we've agree that he's inherited a squad with no players capable of leading the line, an ineffective midfield, a leaky defence, and two sub-par goalkeepers, and then been given no money to improve on any of it. Even the best managers would have struggled to get something out of them.

13% win rate.

Which Villa Manager has stats worse than that ?






Who's had a worse squad? Stats are arbitrary. No ones saying he's done well, but anyone who is unaware of just how bad our squad is is either deluded or willfully ignorant.

In Premier League history ?

Derby and Sunderland.

Stats are arbitrary ?


 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
Of course they are, because in football you're fully reliant on your players and the club's strategy. I think we can all agree the squad is atrocious, the worst collective to represent Villa, and it's clear Garde has been working under a failed and then a changing management structure. What results can you honestly expect in those circumstances? He hasn't even had all the coaching staff he wanted.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: villan from luton on March 20, 2016, 12:55:33 AM
I feel sorry for the bloke as he has come in to a pile of shit. However I think he needs to go. As Gary Mccalister said go for Mellberg, lets be honest would he put up with same team and same shit

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: tomd2103 on March 20, 2016, 12:56:33 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 12:37:38 AM
Quote from: Matt C on March 20, 2016, 12:35:23 AM
Growing media consensus he'll be off this week. Shame - definitely not the root of the problem but it's becoming difficult to envisage he's part of the solution.

Unfortunately Matt he's been drowned by it all and has become part of the problem. I think the club will ditch the wanker players in the summer. There's no way some of this lot are getting away with it, but Garde isn't helping matters at all now, and 6 straight defeats is the final nail in the coffin it appears.

Agree.  I like the guy and at another time, I think he could have done well with us.  He's the kind of manager who needs to go in somewhere where the basics are already in place and he's got something to build on.  I just think things have gone too far now and there is no other option really. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
He hasn't even had all the coaching staff he wanted.

Oh Poor guy.

13% win rate.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Matt C on March 20, 2016, 01:00:35 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on March 20, 2016, 12:56:33 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 12:37:38 AM
Quote from: Matt C on March 20, 2016, 12:35:23 AM
Growing media consensus he'll be off this week. Shame - definitely not the root of the problem but it's becoming difficult to envisage he's part of the solution.

Unfortunately Matt he's been drowned by it all and has become part of the problem. I think the club will ditch the wanker players in the summer. There's no way some of this lot are getting away with it, but Garde isn't helping matters at all now, and 6 straight defeats is the final nail in the coffin it appears.

Agree.  I like the guy and at another time, I think he could have done well with us.  He's the kind of manager who needs to go in somewhere where the basics are already in place and he's got something to build on.  I just think things have gone too far now and there is no other option really.

That's where I am now too. He's got too much baggage to allow us to do the major reboot we need.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Matt C on March 20, 2016, 01:01:23 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on March 20, 2016, 12:56:33 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 12:37:38 AM
Quote from: Matt C on March 20, 2016, 12:35:23 AM
Growing media consensus he'll be off this week. Shame - definitely not the root of the problem but it's becoming difficult to envisage he's part of the solution.

Unfortunately Matt he's been drowned by it all and has become part of the problem. I think the club will ditch the wanker players in the summer. There's no way some of this lot are getting away with it, but Garde isn't helping matters at all now, and 6 straight defeats is the final nail in the coffin it appears.

Agree.  I like the guy and at another time, I think he could have done well with us.  He's the kind of manager who needs to go in somewhere where the basics are already in place and he's got something to build on.  I just think things have gone too far now and there is no other option really.

That's where I am now too. He's got too much baggage to allow us to do the major reboot we need.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Matt C on March 20, 2016, 01:02:14 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on March 20, 2016, 12:56:33 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 12:37:38 AM
Quote from: Matt C on March 20, 2016, 12:35:23 AM
Growing media consensus he'll be off this week. Shame - definitely not the root of the problem but it's becoming difficult to envisage he's part of the solution.

Unfortunately Matt he's been drowned by it all and has become part of the problem. I think the club will ditch the wanker players in the summer. There's no way some of this lot are getting away with it, but Garde isn't helping matters at all now, and 6 straight defeats is the final nail in the coffin it appears.

Agree.  I like the guy and at another time, I think he could have done well with us.  He's the kind of manager who needs to go in somewhere where the basics are already in place and he's got something to build on.  I just think things have gone too far now and there is no other option really.

That's where I am now too. He's got too much baggage to allow us to do the major reboot we need.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
He hasn't even had all the coaching staff he wanted.

Oh Poor guy.

13% win rate.

Don't concern yourself with the other points. Out of interest though with the exact same squad, just so we're comparing like with like, what was Sherwood's win rate in the league this season? Or points per game rate?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: b23 on March 20, 2016, 01:14:24 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
He hasn't even had all the coaching staff he wanted.

Oh Poor guy.

13% win rate.

Don't concern yourself with the other points. Out of interest though with the exact same squad, just so we're comparing like with like, what was Sherwood's win rate in the league this season? Or points per game rate?

I'm not interested in that.

This is the Garde thread.

He is useless and has to be binned.

You can try to convince me why he should'nt.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:20:29 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 01:14:24 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
He hasn't even had all the coaching staff he wanted.

Oh Poor guy.

13% win rate.

Don't concern yourself with the other points. Out of interest though with the exact same squad, just so we're comparing like with like, what was Sherwood's win rate in the league this season? Or points per game rate?

I'm not interested in that.

This is the Garde thread.

He is useless and has to be binned.

You can try to convince me why he should'nt.



Well it seems kind of pointless given that you're disregarding anything relevant. Also it's more about understanding why it might be difficult to be Villa manager at the moment than whether Garde should go or not. If you can't see how bad our squad is and leadership has been then it's a pointless debate.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: b23 on March 20, 2016, 01:29:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:20:29 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 01:14:24 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
He hasn't even had all the coaching staff he wanted.

Oh Poor guy.

13% win rate.

Don't concern yourself with the other points. Out of interest though with the exact same squad, just so we're comparing like with like, what was Sherwood's win rate in the league this season? Or points per game rate?

I'm not interested in that.

This is the Garde thread.

He is useless and has to be binned.

You can try to convince me why he should'nt.



Well it seems kind of pointless given that you're disregarding anything relevant. Also it's more about understanding why it might be difficult to be Villa manager at the moment than whether Garde should go or not. If you can't see how bad our squad is and leadership has been then it's a pointless debate.

13% win rate.

What is more relevant than that ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 01:47:45 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 01:29:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:20:29 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 01:14:24 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
He hasn't even had all the coaching staff he wanted.

Oh Poor guy.

13% win rate.

Don't concern yourself with the other points. Out of interest though with the exact same squad, just so we're comparing like with like, what was Sherwood's win rate in the league this season? Or points per game rate?

I'm not interested in that.

This is the Garde thread.

He is useless and has to be binned.

You can try to convince me why he should'nt.



Well it seems kind of pointless given that you're disregarding anything relevant. Also it's more about understanding why it might be difficult to be Villa manager at the moment than whether Garde should go or not. If you can't see how bad our squad is and leadership has been then it's a pointless debate.

13% win rate.

What is more relevant than that ?

Um, maybe the fact that the rest of the club, from top to bottom, is a flaming garbage pile?

Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree if you're going to completely unreasonable by arbitrarily ignoring any other salient points being brought up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Diablo on March 20, 2016, 01:48:14 AM
Article in the Sunday Mirror saying he'll be gone in the next 48hrs. God what a depressing article http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-set-sack-remi-7591655
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: KevinGage on March 20, 2016, 02:03:23 AM
It's more shit list than short list.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: b23 on March 20, 2016, 02:16:19 AM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 01:47:45 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 01:29:57 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:20:29 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 01:14:24 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
He hasn't even had all the coaching staff he wanted.

Oh Poor guy.

13% win rate.

Don't concern yourself with the other points. Out of interest though with the exact same squad, just so we're comparing like with like, what was Sherwood's win rate in the league this season? Or points per game rate?

I'm not interested in that.

This is the Garde thread.

He is useless and has to be binned.

You can try to convince me why he should'nt.



Well it seems kind of pointless given that you're disregarding anything relevant. Also it's more about understanding why it might be difficult to be Villa manager at the moment than whether Garde should go or not. If you can't see how bad our squad is and leadership has been then it's a pointless debate.

13% win rate.

What is more relevant than that ?

Um, maybe the fact that the rest of the club, from top to bottom, is a flaming garbage pile?

Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree if you're going to completely unreasonable by arbitrarily ignoring any other salient points being brought up.

OK.

Write to the Villa Board with your Pro Garde sentiments.

Dear Board. 20.3.16

I would like to heartily recommend that AVFC retain the services of Remi Garde.

Many thanks,

[just add your signature]
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: CT Villan on March 20, 2016, 02:25:47 AM
Maybe we would be throwing the baby out with the bath water, but it feels like we need a clean sweep and should start again from scratch. Remi seems like a very nice guy, but I expected a little more from him despite all of the obvious issues he inherited.

He should get an honourable discharge...where as Paddy Reilly should be unceremoniously kicked to the curb.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 20, 2016, 02:38:23 AM
Quote from: Diablo on March 20, 2016, 01:48:14 AM
Article in the Sunday Mirror saying he'll be gone in the next 48hrs. God what a depressing article http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-set-sack-remi-7591655

Quote
Hollis has already instigated a search for a British manager with a proven track record of getting teams promoted from the Championship.

Oh ffs. How about just looking for a good manager? Why limit your pool to the usual British dinosaurs?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: django on March 20, 2016, 02:40:24 AM
Sherwood was a shit manager who needed to be sacked. Garde is a shit manager who needs to be sacked. Who is the least worst of the two is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 02:40:49 AM
It is protecting the investment to get someone in who has a record of getting teams up. We need some sort of mundane stability.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 02:44:40 AM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on March 20, 2016, 02:38:23 AM
Quote from: Diablo on March 20, 2016, 01:48:14 AM
Article in the Sunday Mirror saying he'll be gone in the next 48hrs. God what a depressing article http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-set-sack-remi-7591655

Quote
Hollis has already instigated a search for a British manager with a proven track record of getting teams promoted from the Championship.

Oh ffs. How about just looking for a good manager? Why limit your pool to the usual British dinosaurs?

If they do fire Garde now the club won't be in any rush to get someone in. So the article is pure speculation in that regard. In the summer there will be more choice, be it British or otherwise and they are not all dinosaurs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Drummond on March 20, 2016, 02:47:37 AM
I genuinely can't think of anyone else I'd like right now. There just isn't anyone out there that covers all the criteria. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: villadelph on March 20, 2016, 02:51:48 AM
We are an absolute dumpster fire. I don't care what Remi inherited, we never progressed in any way, shape or form.

We're just as garage as before.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SteveD on March 20, 2016, 03:12:00 AM
We're past needing to hang onto Garde any longer. It would do both he and the club good not to postpone the inevitable. Let him go back to France. He's no use nor ornament with the current team. I've no confidence he can turn us around at Championship level, so there is no point carrying on. On pointing the finger of blame in the shambles of this season, he takes a small part of it - he's been left down badly in the boardroom but also the attitude shown by too many of the players. But he's been like a rabbit in headlights in recent weeks. He hasn't been able to motivate them or get even the basic effort out of some of them; he might have taken some more positive steps in terms of playing some of the younger players; his approach in games has been too cautious. Now he looks and sounds as weary as the rest of us. Put him and us out of our misery.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: villan from luton on March 20, 2016, 03:18:49 AM
I think Remi needs to go now, nice hit?bloke but would Ron Saunders accept this shit?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: eamonn on March 20, 2016, 03:24:35 AM
Paying-off another two years of a manager's contract cos he's delivering shit results...make him stay and be miserable while be earns his salary.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: villan from luton on March 20, 2016, 03:29:02 AM
Quote from: eamonn on March 20, 2016, 03:24:35 AM
Paying-off another two years of a manager's contract cos he's delivering shit results...make him stay and be miserable while be earns his salary.
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hopr yjay is a joke Eamonn ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: myf on March 20, 2016, 07:36:51 AM
Oh dear KMAC until the end of the season. Welcome back Gabby and Micah!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: wince on March 20, 2016, 08:20:52 AM
We are using the same reasons for Garde as we did for Sherwood and Lambert although, statistically Garde is the worst of the bunch. Yes we are without any fight but I do believe that, given our recent sackings, players are sitting back believing the manager will be sacked soon and they will get away scott free. The players work rate is poor and they were not doing what they were being asked to do under training under Sherwood and they are also not doing what is asked of them now under Garde. Garde is not innocent aswe already know he didnt get all his backrrom staff and he wasnt backed in January but I fear he has gone as far as he can with this bunch and I do not believe any manager coming in will get anything out of this team. Sherwood had Cleverley, Benteke, Delph, Vlaar to get us out of the rut. Garde has players who were gambles.

I rate Gestede as a player, but Garde needs to get players on to keep them crosses coming in but I do feel that the players picked are the best we have. There is nobody else and I would give him next season to build his squad, get rid of the dead wood and get us believing again.

I would not want Pearson anywhere near this club. I dont care what he did with Leicester. (Look what Lambert did with Norwich and that didnt end well) nor do I want Tony Pulis etc

I still think that Garde was the right option for us but should have come in last summer. However I feel it is too late for him and I wish him the very best and I do not blame him in our plight. He was as powerless with that bunch of bastards as a man trying to stop the tide from coming in with his hands
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 20, 2016, 08:23:19 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:31:20 AM


Quote from: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 12:17:59 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:13:40 AM
Quote from: passitsideways on March 20, 2016, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:05:55 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 19, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: b23 on March 19, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
He has to go.

Worst Villa Manager ever.


Ridiculous statement, if Garde had the same squad as last season and had the same results I would agree but the fact is that the three best players from last season were sold and replaced with very average footballers. Sherwood was sacked because he had the same squad and couldn't win games either I don't care who we took on as manager the result would have been the same because we have the worst Villa squad I can ever remember.

I'm waiting for your response too.

You answered your own question - mitigating circumstances, to a pretty extreme degree. That doesn't necessarily mean he's any good either, but it makes any assessment pretty much impossible.

Are you a Garde fan ?

I don't see why it matters. For the record, I'd prefer if he stayed, but I wouldn't give a toss if he left providing we hired someone sensible in his place.

Anyway, the burden of proof's really on you if you're going to make such a severe claim. I think we've agree that he's inherited a squad with no players capable of leading the line, an ineffective midfield, a leaky defence, and two sub-par goalkeepers, and then been given no money to improve on any of it. Even the best managers would have struggled to get something out of them.

13% win rate.

Which Villa Manager has stats worse than that ?

he has a 10% win rate in the league and a -25 gd
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 20, 2016, 08:27:22 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
He hasn't even had all the coaching staff he wanted.

Oh Poor guy.

13% win rate.

Don't concern yourself with the other points. Out of interest though with the exact same squad, just so we're comparing like with like, what was Sherwood's win rate in the league this season? Or points per game rate?

sherwood played 10 won 1 gd -11
garde played 20 won 2 gd -25

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: olaftab on March 20, 2016, 08:31:52 AM
So the stats all align to poor set of players. No point in shooting the Coach.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: olaftab on March 20, 2016, 08:33:25 AM
It's amazing how one more, predicted, defeat has influenced the poll.  F word comes to mind.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 20, 2016, 08:42:33 AM
garde was dealt a shit hand in january but he has had no impact on the team whatsover

his stats are worse than sherwood and ultimately its how many games you win that you get measured on.

6 defeats on the bounce would get you the chop at a lot of clubs, never mind the other 14 games before

garde like the team gave up at least a month ago and will welcome the sack as he will get paid off and can go back to lyon

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: claret and blue blood on March 20, 2016, 08:45:50 AM
Far too easy to blame Garde but he is fighting every other team who have had investment of sorts with an injury hit already poor squad and zero investment.
Let Brian Little decide if we need a new manager or not.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 08:48:07 AM
Quote from: olaftab on March 20, 2016, 08:31:52 AM
So the stats all align to poor set of players. No point in shooting the Coach.

Yep.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 08:50:20 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 20, 2016, 08:27:22 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
He hasn't even had all the coaching staff he wanted.

Oh Poor guy.

13% win rate.

Don't concern yourself with the other points. Out of interest though with the exact same squad, just so we're comparing like with like, what was Sherwood's win rate in the league this season? Or points per game rate?

sherwood played 10 won 1 gd -11
garde played 20 won 2 gd -25



So his win ratio is the same then. How about points per game?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 08:52:38 AM
Not fucking KMac he should have been sacked after his behaviour in his previous two games in charge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 20, 2016, 08:58:31 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 08:50:20 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 20, 2016, 08:27:22 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
He hasn't even had all the coaching staff he wanted.

Oh Poor guy.

13% win rate.

Don't concern yourself with the other points. Out of interest though with the exact same squad, just so we're comparing like with like, what was Sherwood's win rate in the league this season? Or points per game rate?

sherwood played 10 won 1 gd -11
garde played 20 won 2 gd -25



So his win ratio is the same then. How about points per game?

sherwood 0.4
garde 0.8
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on March 20, 2016, 09:27:46 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 20, 2016, 08:58:31 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 08:50:20 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 20, 2016, 08:27:22 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: b23 on March 20, 2016, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 12:52:19 AM
He hasn't even had all the coaching staff he wanted.

Oh Poor guy.

13% win rate.

Don't concern yourself with the other points. Out of interest though with the exact same squad, just so we're comparing like with like, what was Sherwood's win rate in the league this season? Or points per game rate?

sherwood played 10 won 1 gd -11
garde played 20 won 2 gd -25



So his win ratio is the same then. How about points per game?

sherwood 0.4
garde 0.8
Fuck all doubled is still fuck all

Changing managers is pointless until the manager can be in a position to drop players who aren't performing or who are causing trouble in the dressing room. From team selections it appears there is limited opportunity to do this so there is little leverage in terms of motivation of the players. We get rid of another manager who can't change the team much then were back to square one and it strengthens the hold of the malcontents. I've worked places where a couple of people can massively influence the rest of the group and until you can get rid its hard to draw a line and move on.

If hes to be sacked it should be when we are relegated and a new manager can be brought in to play the kids in a no risk situation and look to build in the Championship with a transfer window. Trouble makers can be dropped or offered the chance to work in a new set up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 20, 2016, 09:37:14 AM
I said after he'd arrived and got the players fit that his target was 24 points for the season (this was 1 point per game at that point).  If he hits that target then I think he deserves the opportunity next season, if not then we start the search again... albeit I did expect the board to try and buy/sell a few players in January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Clampy on March 20, 2016, 09:51:14 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if some kind of announcement is made in the next couple of days. I know it's being reported in some of the tabloids but they do seem to be getting on with things.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 20, 2016, 09:55:50 AM
sorry sherwood 4 points from 10 games 0.4
garde 12 points from 20 so 0.6
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mr underhill on March 20, 2016, 10:04:11 AM
we're arguing over who's the tallest dwarf
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 20, 2016, 10:05:32 AM
We can't just keep him because
(a) It is going to cost us to get rid
(b) The list of options is full of the likes of Mad Percy, Bruce etc.

Garde in some ways came out of left field, he was not a name mentioned by any of us I should imagine, the same for the next guy, but something has to give and by that I mean a statement, stating the obvious,
  "This has been a shit season and although we did not give funds out in January as we believed the position to be lost even then, rightly or WRONGLY, Remi will be our manager for the 2016/2017 season, funds will be given from any sales generated plus a undeclared amount, we have had detailed discussion as to how we want to take Aston Villa forward and believe with the right backing Remi is in the best position to do this".

Or "By mutual consent Remi Garde has left Aston Villa with immediate effect"

One may come when we re down mathematically, the other one may come tomorrow.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: sickbeggar on March 20, 2016, 10:06:19 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 20, 2016, 10:04:11 AM
we're arguing over who's the tallest dwarf


Heh. Quite.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 20, 2016, 10:10:01 AM
I think what the last few years have showed us is that the main problem is that the squad has been getting worse and worse year on year, both in terms of ability and attitude. I genuinely think it makes no odds who is put in charge until the actual problem is addressed. We all know what will happen a new manager will come in and then within 4 months of poor results there will be comments like, 'I know the squad is bad but they're  not this bad' ignoring the fact that actually they are that bad. Until that particular pattern is broken we'll never move on.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: sickbeggar on March 20, 2016, 10:15:13 AM
I don't think he wants to be here truthfully. He certainly doesn't give the impression he does and while wild optimists are predicting he'll get the money to bring in his players, its more likely most of his targets are out of the club's budget now, or frankly don't want to move to the Championship. My guess is he will see out the season and then be quietly dismissed with a pay-off. If you're gonna have a clean break then its makes sense to bring in the new manager in the summer
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 20, 2016, 10:19:39 AM
I get that impression too sick beggar, I think we, well the board and players have broken him.

If that is the case we should be using this period to discretely sound out possible replacements; aiming high and then working down the list.  If we get as low as people like Pearson then the gameplay might be better to see whether Garde's enthusiasm for the club can be reignited.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: in exile on March 20, 2016, 10:21:06 AM
I'm feeling thoroughly down this morning.
Not because we lost again, that Guzan messed up massively again, that Gestede was poor again etc etc, but because the story of Garde is to be sacked and replaced with McDonald until the end of the season seems to be gaining momentum
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Ian. on March 20, 2016, 10:28:06 AM
By all accounts (pure speculation) I don't see Remi here after this weekend which I think is a real shame. Under different circumstances it might have worked. To arrive when he did with the squad divided and all the unrest behind the scenes it was mission impossible. Maybe after the clear out of the boardroom and if the trouble makers behind the scenes were not here he might have stood a chance.

I really don't want KMac in charge again, surely we can find someone else to see us through?

What a bloody mess. I hope this new look board look further afield than Pearson, Pullis and Bruce and interview lots of candidates and not just the first man who rocks up here wanting the job.

Whoever comes in I hope they have the power to turf out the likes of Richards and Gabby. We need a new strong spine from the off and a harmonious squad otherwise this rot will continue whoever is in charge.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: myf on March 20, 2016, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: in exile on March 20, 2016, 10:21:06 AM
I'm feeling thoroughly down this morning.
Not because we lost again, that Guzan messed up massively again, that Gestede was poor again etc etc, but because the story of Garde is to be sacked and replaced with McDonald until the end of the season seems to be gaining momentum

That Kmac game against spurs seems like yesterday when garde turned up late and sat in stands with Fox. What an absolute waste of time and money his appointment has been
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 20, 2016, 10:30:28 AM
Quote from: in exile on March 20, 2016, 10:21:06 AM
I'm feeling thoroughly down this morning.
Not because we lost again, that Guzan messed up massively again, that Gestede was poor again etc etc, but because the story of Garde is to be sacked and replaced with McDonald until the end of the season seems to be gaining momentum

Even for us, this would represent a whole new level of utter pointlessness.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 20, 2016, 10:31:39 AM
Firing him at this stage would be pointless. Unless of course, Hollis and co have decided to keep the spunkbuckets we have in our squad this summer and bring in a manager specifically chosen to get the best out of them, Sherwood style.

In which case, they are collectively as thick as a whale omelette.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: sickbeggar on March 20, 2016, 10:38:46 AM
I'm not sure the likes of Pearson are that desperate for a return at any cost. His reputation by association to Leicester's squad is quite high at the moment and i can't imagine he'd come under Garde's terms. He would probably have a chance of taking over most championship clubs and  have more control of things than we've given our managers recently. If the club are serious about coming back up they need to ringfence some spending for a new manager and given him free reign on transfers within that budget. If that happens then we'll probably attract better candidates than the likes of Pearson,
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2016, 10:40:47 AM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on March 20, 2016, 10:31:39 AM
Firing him at this stage would be pointless. Unless of course, Hollis and co have decided to keep the spunkbuckets we have in our squad this summer and bring in a manager specifically chosen to get the best out of them, Sherwood style.

In which case, they are collectively as thick as a whale omelette.

I disagree actually.

More I think about it more firing him during this break makes sense.

As things stand the question we all have to ask yourselves is....do you honestly believe at this time next year we'll be in play off zone as a minimum with Garde as manager.

I honestly think not.

Of course there's no guarentee with someone else but I've always thought we'd stand a better chance with a manager with a working knowledge down there. We can argue all day long about that but it's purely my gut instinct.

Make a change now and instead of wasting pre season and even a few games next year judging the squad, the new manager can see for himself in the final 7 games what a hopeless squad this is, decide the few he wants to keep next year, formulate a playing system and generally just get his feet under the table here.

The worst thing we can do is dither and fudge another managerial decision.

You also have to consider....does Remi Garde actually want to be here? I've seen little in his press conferences since January 31st to indicate this so would imagine Hollis doing his review has picked up the vibe there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 20, 2016, 10:46:35 AM
Our very own Christian Gross. Shit manager who sounds intelligent because he talks shit in an exotic accent rather than talking shit in a london or Glaswegian accent. He's got to go. We have a shit team but there's nothing I've seen in him that makes me think he'd be better with other players. Watching him sitting there yesterday, I wanted to slap him into action. He wants to grow a spine and start earning his wages. hes taken a shit team and made them shitter
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ROBBO on March 20, 2016, 10:47:55 AM
My main objection to Remi being fired is that the worthless wankers that have been the main cause of our relegation will get a second coming with a new manager, and again it will take that new manager half a season to work out that they really are worthless wankers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Monty on March 20, 2016, 10:52:19 AM
He does have to leave, for himself as much as for us. He'll get another job, at another club which isn't such a basket case, and he'll probably do well there. He's a good manager, I think - it's just that the club at the moment is like a black hole, collapsing infinitely in on itself. There was nothing he could do.

I'm slightly worried that we'll do another leap to the other extreme with his successor. The new people appear to have decided that the 'moneyball' approach might be the problem, so maybe they're thinking a return to good, stupid, old-fashioned, spudbrained football will revive us next season. But hey, let's not jump the gun. Maybe we'll appoint Karanka or someone promising like that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: in exile on March 20, 2016, 10:54:39 AM
Yes, all of the "promising" managers will be lining up to work for Lerner
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: OzVilla on March 20, 2016, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 20, 2016, 10:38:46 AM
If the club are serious about coming back up they need to ringfence some spending for a new manager and given him free reign on transfers within that budget. If that happens then we'll probably attract better candidates than the likes of Pearson,

This is the only reasonable argument that can be made for our lack of spending in January. That they all looked at the squad, agreed we were as good as gone and decided to wait for the Summer window rather than short term transfer budget busting signings like the Barcodes did.  I'm not saying it was right but Atleast woud indicate a plan. With or without Garde.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 20, 2016, 10:56:53 AM
John Percy of the Telegraph saying Garde will be sacked tomorrow.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Monty on March 20, 2016, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on March 20, 2016, 10:56:53 AM
John Percy of the Telegraph saying Garde will be sacked tomorrow.

Oh God he says Pearson is the number one target. I hope that's not true - not because he couldn't get us promoted or anything, just because he's an embarrassing midlife-crisis psycho.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 20, 2016, 11:01:39 AM
Oh well. If it does turn out to be Pearson, at least we won't have to put up with sulky, childish press conferences when things are going badly.

Er....
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mr underhill on March 20, 2016, 11:03:46 AM
the John Paul Sartre thing is so yesterday man
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 20, 2016, 11:07:50 AM
I'm worried that a man who thinks ostriches bury their heads in the sand may also think that Gabby and Westwood are footballers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Ads on March 20, 2016, 11:07:56 AM
If he does go then I wouldn't replace him till the summer. Get your candidate lined up,  get him to sign a contract starting 1st June if you like, but don't taint them with this season and it's inevitable conclusion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: MattW on March 20, 2016, 11:09:46 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 20, 2016, 10:47:55 AM
My main objection to Remi being fired is that the worthless wankers that have been the main cause of our relegation will get a second coming with a new manager, and again it will take that new manager half a season to work out that they really are worthless wankers.

I agree that is a real downside. But at this stage I am not confident the board would have trusted his judgement anyway. All we can hope is the next manager cottons on quickly and has the capacity to act.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: MattW on March 20, 2016, 11:10:34 AM
Quote from: Ads on March 20, 2016, 11:07:56 AM
If he does go then I wouldn't replace him till the summer. Get your candidate lined up,  get him to sign a contract starting 1st June if you like, but don't taint them with this season and it's inevitable conclusion.

Reading the John Percy piece, that seems like what they will do, and I agree - rightly so.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: TelfordVilla on March 20, 2016, 11:10:41 AM
Whoever is manager next season is not going to determine whether or not we get promoted. The players will decide that. So the crucial question is not who will our manager be but who will our players be. No manager on earth would get this current bunch of useless players back to the Prem. So unless Lerner/the board have decided to fund replacements and somehow get shot of most of this squad (unlikely) we are going to endure many years in the wilderness. If they are going to sanction wholesale replacements then we should keep the manager and let him rebuild, he has the pedigree for that job. Not sure he signed up for this job though and clearly he feels betrayed by Fox etc
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Monty on March 20, 2016, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: TelfordVilla on March 20, 2016, 11:10:41 AM
Whoever is manager next season is not going to determine whether or not we get promoted. The players will decide that.

Tends to be a mixture of the two though, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2016, 11:14:03 AM
Quote from: Ads on March 20, 2016, 11:07:56 AM
If he does go then I wouldn't replace him till the summer. Get your candidate lined up,  get him to sign a contract starting 1st June if you like, but don't taint them with this season and it's inevitable conclusion.

I don't see a problem with getting in a new one now, we're most likely going to be relegated in two games time at the end of the Bournemouth game so a new manager will have minimal association with that and hopefully then he can then have licence to deliver a few home truths to this wretched squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: sickbeggar on March 20, 2016, 11:17:09 AM
Quote from: TelfordVilla on March 20, 2016, 11:10:41 AM
Whoever is manager next season is not going to determine whether or not we get promoted. The players will decide that. So the crucial question is not who will our manager be but who will our players be. No manager on earth would get this current bunch of useless players back to the Prem. So unless Lerner/the board have decided to fund replacements and somehow get shot of most of this squad (unlikely) we are going to endure many years in the wilderness. If they are going to sanction wholesale replacements then we should keep the manager and let him rebuild, he has the pedigree for that job. Not sure he signed up for this job though and clearly he feels betrayed by Fox etc


I'm not sure that's true. We went down last time with awful players, as bad as this lot IMO - there was lots of rumours of cliques in the dressing room for example, but given the right manager, the right players added, youth given a chance, and the right attitude the core of this squad can get us promoted, like the core of the last villa side relegated did
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Risso on March 20, 2016, 11:17:30 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2016, 11:14:03 AM
Quote from: Ads on March 20, 2016, 11:07:56 AM
If he does go then I wouldn't replace him till the summer. Get your candidate lined up,  get him to sign a contract starting 1st June if you like, but don't taint them with this season and it's inevitable conclusion.

I don't see a problem with getting in a new one now, we're most likely going to be relegated in two games time at the end of the Bournemouth game so a new manager will have minimal association with that and hopefully then he can then have licence to deliver a few home truths to this wretched squad.

I agree, and at least it would mean that we wouldn't have to endure that wretched ****** KTwat being caretaker.  Use it as an early pre-season, get a bit of confidence back.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: dl9 on March 20, 2016, 11:21:25 AM
Nice and simple.

Get rid of nice guy Remi and put him out of his misery. He is not a football manager. An usher or a pallbearer perhaps but not at our expense please.

Take the unprecedented step of giving the first teamers two options:

1. Leave now with their reputations at one above the lowest level they could be (give it 3 weeks and it'll be at the lowest by then)

2. Challenge them with the offer of this incentive:

For the remaining 7 games, they will each get paid double for every win, nothing however for a draw or a loss.

Then when they've won all 7 - don't pay them and tell them all to f*ck off!

OR

Put the kids in the first team (didn't they recently beat the seniors 3-0 of late anyway at BH)? and let Cowans and Little oversee first team matters.

21 losses in a record 'worst ever' season - it cannot get any worse, this won't be a gamble  - we are already down - let's experiment
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: VillaAlways on March 20, 2016, 11:21:42 AM
Reports suggest he will be gone in 48 hours

http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/20/aston-villa-set-to-sack-remi-garde-5763191/?ITO=facebook
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 20, 2016, 11:22:25 AM
I think whoever comes in if Garde as I suspect will be gone very shortly, apart from money made on sales, how much do we think the club will be able to put up, Holis states that we will be in a fine financial position, but how does this tie in with the 27 million loss just reported, when we were all getting told that these accounts just out would show a small profit.

Who ever comes in has to be able to find players that will get maximum value for the spend we will make, something that we have not been able to do for a very long time.

Something does not add up and it is not just my maths.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Clampy on March 20, 2016, 11:27:47 AM
If he does go, I reckon they'll give it Sir Brian until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Axl Rose on March 20, 2016, 11:29:06 AM
Quote from: Risso on March 20, 2016, 11:17:30 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2016, 11:14:03 AM
Quote from: Ads on March 20, 2016, 11:07:56 AM
If he does go then I wouldn't replace him till the summer. Get your candidate lined up,  get him to sign a contract starting 1st June if you like, but don't taint them with this season and it's inevitable conclusion.

I don't see a problem with getting in a new one now, we're most likely going to be relegated in two games time at the end of the Bournemouth game so a new manager will have minimal association with that and hopefully then he can then have licence to deliver a few home truths to this wretched squad.

I agree, and at least it would mean that we wouldn't have to endure that wretched c*** KTwat being caretaker.  Use it as an early pre-season, get a bit of confidence back.

I agree with all points made, Risso. I laughed at your Kevin McDonald description. Very true. I can't stand the bumbling wanker. Hopefully he will be culled,too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: dl9 on March 20, 2016, 11:30:41 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on March 20, 2016, 11:21:42 AM
Reports suggest he will be gone in 48 hours

http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/20/aston-villa-set-to-sack-remi-garde-5763191/?ITO=facebook


Good. Nice guy but shite. In fairness I cannot think of anyone other than Paul Daniels or David Copperfield who could have done much with that herd of cattle, that said he clearly doesn't have any fear factor and they probably have him cleaning their cars on their days off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ez on March 20, 2016, 11:31:09 AM
I wonder if season ticket prices are already in place and the club is waiting for the best time to announce them. They may have been waiting a while.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Villa Lew on March 20, 2016, 11:33:40 AM
Very surprised to find 55% want Remi as manager next season. Would like someone to tell me what he has done this season to make you think he is the man to take us back up next season.

If he does go this week, I would put Brian Little in charge until the end of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: exigo on March 20, 2016, 11:38:04 AM
If Hollis does carry on with his ruthlessness, maybe he can go through contracts with a fine-tooth comb and find a way to fire the following:

A captain who visibly didn't put any effort in cos diddums didn't like playing right back.
A goalkeeper who can't punch, catch, throw or kick.
A club captain who's been booked more times than he's scored, and constantly posts stuff online to fans about haters hating.
A teenage first teamer pictured passed out on holiday, pissed on the evening of a 4-0 drubbing.
A bloke who takes most of our set pieces, yet hasn't beaten the first man since the days of black and white.
A bloke paid to put the ball in the net whose movement Opta have had to start measuring in microns.
Any of a dozen players who can't take a throw in and receive the ball back, retaining possession.

In short, fuck modern football, fuck players' agents, fuck the PFA, fuck this hopeless first team who get off scot free.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: supertom on March 20, 2016, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 20, 2016, 11:27:47 AM
If he does go, I reckon they'll give it Sir Brian until the end of the season.
That would be my vote. Brian and Sid perhaps, to take us through to the end of the season. Play a few kids, or at least unify the dressing room to some extent. Remi has lost it, and it doesn't even seem like he's getting too much out of the French lads anymore either.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 11:45:28 AM
 I vehemently do not want Pearson.

However, if that is the route they want to go down, and have decided that, then there is no point waiting till May. I would talk to Rodgers and Moyes first though, and if not interested then they may as well get him in this season to let him assess the squad in training before the summer window.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 20, 2016, 11:59:12 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 11:45:28 AM
I vehemently do not want Pearson.

However, if that is the route they want to go down, and have decided that, then there is no point waiting till May. I would talk to Rodgers and Moyes first though, and if not interested then they may as well get him in this season to let him assess the squad in training before the summer window.

Pearson. Just when you think we can't sink any further.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 12:00:26 PM
I know. I would sooner have Eck back. Cluster fuck of a man Pearson. Lost his mind completely at Leicester. Who was his backroom team there?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Mellin on March 20, 2016, 12:02:14 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/20/aston-villa-remie-garde-reign-swift-end

Looks like it's happening.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 20, 2016, 12:05:23 PM
Why put Sid and HWWOW into this? We venerate them. Other than Lescott, Grealish and Onegoalayear perhaps recalling them from childhood history lessons, do any of them have the first idea who they are, what they represent? If they won't/can't play for Garde, I don't see why they'd feel like they should for someone else. They don't care about Villa, and that's never gonna change.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: avfc_1874 on March 20, 2016, 12:10:11 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 20, 2016, 10:47:55 AM
My main objection to Remi being fired is that the worthless wankers that have been the main cause of our relegation will get a second coming with a new manager, and again it will take that new manager half a season to work out that they really are worthless wankers.

Yep. If we did go for the likes of Bruce & Pearson and got promoted straight away, then we'd just go back to being lower mid-table/relegation fighting shite again. We need wholesale changes, not short term fixes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2016, 12:10:25 PM
If they're going to sack him can I suggest they appoint someone who's able to bring in all of his favoured and trusted coaching staff as well.  This is an area that has been half cocked over the last couple of years as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 12:17:42 PM
Firing him won't make a difference to how this season will end up and it doesn't take a complete genius to bring us back up. It would have been good to see this appointment work but we need to make a managerial choice in line with decisions being made in the boardroom. Someone who believes in the direction and beyond this season will be energized and enthusiastic about what we have to do to get back to being a relevant team at the top level. Garde just looks burnt out by the day to day fight.

It has had to be draining just getting out of bed knowing that there is such disunity in the squad and up until the last couple of weeks in the boardroom. And with 2 months yet to go maybe now is the right time to call it a day and move on. None of this ideal and there isn't a right or wrong way of proceeding. We are not going to turn the entire squad over so whoever is in charge still has to work the majority of the players at the club now next season. There just maybe too much damage to make it work and parting company could be the best solution now that relegation is pretty much confirmed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: VicMackey on March 20, 2016, 12:20:56 PM
Much as I think Garde should go I don't really see the point of getting rid now.  May as well just limp along to the end of the season and then put him out of his misery.  There's not going to be a sudden upturn in results - the players are not going to suddenly bust a gut because Kevin Mac or Sid are in charge.  And if by some miracle they did then I'd hate that group of players even more...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2016, 12:10:25 PM
If they're going to sack him can I suggest they appoint someone who's able to bring in all of his favoured and trusted coaching staff as well.  This is an area that has been half cocked over the last couple of years as well.

Pearson has worked with Walsh and Shakespear wherever he has been by the looks of it.

Are you really going to get them off Leicester? I would suggest not a chance, and there is no point appointing the bloke without his team. We have surely learnt that lesson from Garde AND Sherwood?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2016, 12:24:00 PM
Never suggested he was the answer fills me with dread just thinking about it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 12:25:39 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2016, 12:24:00 PM
Never suggested he was the answer fills me with dread just thinking about it.

Me too, I was agreeing with you that we have to get the team, not just the manager. Apparently this Walsh guy who was with him at Hull was responsible for Mahrez and Kante -
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2016, 12:29:55 PM
Andy Dunn on MOTD2 saying it's going to happen.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: passport1 on March 20, 2016, 12:38:39 PM
Good
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: joe_c on March 20, 2016, 12:54:51 PM
I'd be happy to see him given more time on the off chance it might encourage LTA to retire to the drawing room with a large scotch and his service revolver.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: KevinGage on March 20, 2016, 01:01:31 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on March 20, 2016, 08:45:50 AM
Far too easy to blame Garde but he is fighting every other team who have had investment of sorts with an injury hit already poor squad and zero investment.
Let Brian Little decide if we need a new manager or not.


Reading between the lines, that looks like what has happened.

Hollis said the football side of the board (ie Bernstein and Little) would be looking at that aspect of things, so there was no point preempting their decision.

Well the vote seems to be in now, according to all these reports -even from the respectable newspapers.

On the subject of Pearson, supporters (myself included) might not be too enamored with him. But people in the game don't seem to have those hang ups. BFR was calling for him to be appointed in November, and I'm sure I seen something from GT around that time praising him.

Sir Brian does a bit of pundit work, but I'm not sure he'd be in a position to recommend a good up and coming manager in the Pochettino, Clement or Karanka mould, say. By that, I mean advocating a manager like that before he comes to widespread attention in England.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 20, 2016, 02:07:27 PM
Sherwood did a great job motivating a team without Benteke and Delph. Oh wait...

Judging both Sherwood and Garde on the same players they've both been shit so I don't get anyone saying Sherwood could have done better.

I'm in favour of Garde staying though personally.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 20, 2016, 02:32:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2016, 12:10:25 PM
If they're going to sack him can I suggest they appoint someone who's able to bring in all of his favoured and trusted coaching staff as well.  This is an area that has been half cocked over the last couple of years as well.

Pearson has worked with Walsh and Shakespear wherever he has been by the looks of it.

Are you really going to get them off Leicester? I would suggest not a chance, and there is no point appointing the bloke without his team. We have surely learnt that lesson from Garde AND Sherwood?

Very good point.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2016, 02:39:44 PM
Just reading the People report and Moxley is claiming Remi is on 4m a year....no way surely, that would make it one of the highest paid managers in world football!!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 02:42:42 PM
Most other places have said about 25k a week.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: spangley1812 on March 20, 2016, 02:44:08 PM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on March 20, 2016, 02:32:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2016, 12:10:25 PM
If they're going to sack him can I suggest they appoint someone who's able to bring in all of his favoured and trusted coaching staff as well.  This is an area that has been half cocked over the last couple of years as well.

Pearson has worked with Walsh and Shakespear wherever he has been by the looks of it.

Are you really going to get them off Leicester? I would suggest not a chance, and there is no point appointing the bloke without his team. We have surely learnt that lesson from Garde AND Sherwood?

Very good point.

I may well be wrong but I heard that both Walsh and Shakespeare are on rolling 1 year contracts so getting them in the summer may be a viable option
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 02:46:26 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2016, 02:39:44 PM
Just reading the People report and Moxley is claiming Remi is on 4m a year....no way surely, that would make it one of the highest paid managers in world football!!

Mosley doesn't half make a lot of things up or simply gets things wrong.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 02:55:53 PM
Even his name it would appear TV?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Ian. on March 20, 2016, 03:12:36 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2016, 12:10:25 PM
If they're going to sack him can I suggest they appoint someone who's able to bring in all of his favoured and trusted coaching staff as well.  This is an area that has been half cocked over the last couple of years as well.
We have surely learnt that lesson from Garde AND Sherwood?
That's something that really worries me. For a long time our board have not learned a thing. Hopefully though this New board will look at past mistakes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 02:55:53 PM
Even his name it would appear TV?

Haha yes, fucking autocorrect
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Quiet Lion on March 20, 2016, 03:23:45 PM
Shit decision if true.

Still with the leading lights of Pearson and Bruce ready to take over I am sure we will all super content next season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Clampy on March 20, 2016, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 02:46:26 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2016, 02:39:44 PM
Just reading the People report and Moxley is claiming Remi is on 4m a year....no way surely, that would make it one of the highest paid managers in world football!!

Mosley doesn't half make a lot of things up or simply gets things wrong.

And he works for The People.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Holte L2 on March 20, 2016, 03:34:19 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on March 20, 2016, 02:44:08 PM
Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on March 20, 2016, 02:32:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2016, 12:10:25 PM
If they're going to sack him can I suggest they appoint someone who's able to bring in all of his favoured and trusted coaching staff as well.  This is an area that has been half cocked over the last couple of years as well.

Pearson has worked with Walsh and Shakespear wherever he has been by the looks of it.

Are you really going to get them off Leicester? I would suggest not a chance, and there is no point appointing the bloke without his team. We have surely learnt that lesson from Garde AND Sherwood?

Very good point.

I may well be wrong but I heard that both Walsh and Shakespeare are on rolling 1 year contracts so getting them in the summer may be a viable option

Would you swap the Champions League for the Second Division?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Walmley_Villa on March 20, 2016, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2016, 12:10:25 PM
If they're going to sack him can I suggest they appoint someone who's able to bring in all of his favoured and trusted coaching staff as well.  This is an area that has been half cocked over the last couple of years as well.

I feel this has be one of the biggest issues facing Garde, he needed his lieutenants from Lyon and didn't get them and couldn't make things happen. You need the whole package of a manager and his trusted back room team, on their own they are limited.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: curiousorange on March 20, 2016, 03:38:29 PM
I would much rather be in Leicester's position than ours, but something on the BBC live feed yesterday struck a chord, and it was about their success being based on 442 and "how English football was played in the 1990s". I'm not sure I'm terribly in love with that approach. But ask me again when we're winning games and I'll probably be fine about it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mr underhill on March 20, 2016, 03:40:10 PM
I wouldn't give a flying fuck what formation we played as long as it was a winning one
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Clampy on March 20, 2016, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 02:55:53 PM
Even his name it would appear TV?

Haha yes, fucking autocorrect

He was on about that bloke out of Auf Wedeirshein probably.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Monty on March 20, 2016, 03:41:55 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 20, 2016, 03:38:29 PM
I would much rather be in Leicester's position than ours, but something on the BBC live feed yesterday struck a chord, and it was about their success being based on 442 and "how English football was played in the 1990s". I'm not sure I'm terribly in love with that approach. But ask me again when we're winning games and I'll probably be fine about it.

It's not quite though. The players are really fit, the two midfielders mainly sit deep, the wingers are wingers not wide midfielders, they don't have a 'target man' but instead play outballs into space to get Vardy moving. I've said, it reminds me of Villa under MON - 4-4-2 can be a great counterattacking system - but the fact that both strikers are mobile and quick gives them a lot more unpredictability than one or two big lumps up front would do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: TelfordVilla on March 20, 2016, 03:48:08 PM
I cant understand why people are saying sack Garde, appoint someone else (insert any name here) and get new players in.
What is the point of paying off the existing manager. That wasted money is needed to bring in the new players. If there is going to be an influx of new (cheap) players Garde is as likely to succeed with players of his choosing than any other manager. I believe he was appointed with the remit to rebuild the squad for next season. It was hoped that with a couple of January buys we would remain in the Prem but they never arrived and Garde has now given up on this season. Tempting as it is to drop the entire 1st team for the rest of the season, they will all still have to be paid. No doubt the money men at the helm will expect the big earners to be on the pitch, at least, if they are to continue getting their pay. Perhaps their appearances may even help to get shot of them in the summer (although who is going to want to buy the likes of Guzan and Westwood after seeing them perform ?)     
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: curiousorange on March 20, 2016, 03:48:38 PM
That's a good summary, I think. Makes you wonder what a Villa side with Ayew and Traore up front would have been like.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: supertom on March 20, 2016, 04:35:02 PM
Quote from: Monty on March 20, 2016, 03:41:55 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on March 20, 2016, 03:38:29 PM
I would much rather be in Leicester's position than ours, but something on the BBC live feed yesterday struck a chord, and it was about their success being based on 442 and "how English football was played in the 1990s". I'm not sure I'm terribly in love with that approach. But ask me again when we're winning games and I'll probably be fine about it.

It's not quite though. The players are really fit, the two midfielders mainly sit deep, the wingers are wingers not wide midfielders, they don't have a 'target man' but instead play outballs into space to get Vardy moving. I've said, it reminds me of Villa under MON - 4-4-2 can be a great counterattacking system - but the fact that both strikers are mobile and quick gives them a lot more unpredictability than one or two big lumps up front would do.
And Mahrez pretty much drifts anywhere he likes too. He and Vardy together remind me of Young and Agbonlahor at their best, but they've found more consistency and more final product, which is almost remarkable as Vardy hadn't really been prolific for Leicester before this season and Mahrez was erratic at best.
Who knows how far we might have gone had Young and Gabby found an extra level.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Gareth on March 20, 2016, 04:54:24 PM
The more restructuring that can be done before the end of the season the better, Remi has contributed the square root of eff all, whilst we all know that the squad is utter garbage a good coach can at least get them organised & fitter, neither of which he has done.

However the restructure cannot stop with Remi getting the heave ho, when a new manager comes in they have to have the power to create the 2016 'bomb squad' where they jettison those who are part of the disease / losing culture - we can't go into next season with a squad of players who are used to losing every week.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2016, 07:07:13 PM
He's gone according to Wikipedia !

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rémi_Garde
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Legion on March 20, 2016, 07:10:59 PM
Pathetic as well as illiterate:

Quote
On 20th March 2016 he was sack by Aston villa
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 20, 2016, 07:13:37 PM
When you have got that kind of white hot ITK there is no time for literacy!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Steve67 on March 20, 2016, 08:14:22 PM
We keep referring to some of the players as poisonous and a waste of space, but you know what, another Manager might actually be able to get a tune out of them if he is sharp enough. Not sure which Manager is the right man to do this but I think there has to be someone out there who will improve us?   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 08:15:59 PM
My fear is some of them will respond to someone like Pearson in a much better way.  The shit bags.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Steve67 on March 20, 2016, 08:19:30 PM
I really hope that this board has more sense.  I'd expect this sort of appointment of Tom Fox but not the likes of Little, Bernstein, King and Hollis.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2016, 08:26:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 08:15:59 PM
My fear is some of them will respond to someone like Pearson in a much better way.  The shit bags.

Ultimately is that a bad thing? I think I have less time for some of these fucking players than I do the idea of having Pearson as manager. Off course, get rid of the players, not employing Pearson would be the ideal option but we may not be in a position to get everything we want. I just hope the decision isn't rushed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ozzjim on March 20, 2016, 08:31:21 PM
It's not bad but they get away with it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 20, 2016, 11:30:33 PM
I'll be gutted if Garde leaves and we replace him with a dickhead like Pearson or Bruce.  They had the right idea with him but it was probably the wrong time and following the wrong manager to go for someone like Garde.  I just don't want us to do what we did post-houllier and think that the failure of a foreign coach means we have to go for a blood and thunder 110% effort British replacement.  There is a very good reason why there's only 1 of them in the top half of the premier league and even then he (Hughes) isn't anything like as archaic the sort of names we'd be linked with.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2016, 11:43:11 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-remi-garde-set-11069090
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: dl9 on March 20, 2016, 11:44:27 PM
I don't care when he goes, just as long as he does. Don't get me wrong, he has been faced with nothing short of an impossible task, turning the Titanic with a piss poor crew and superiors of whom are either inept or absent. He comes across as a really genuine nice guy, but he ain't the one to get us back up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: dl9 on March 20, 2016, 11:48:00 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2016, 11:43:11 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-remi-garde-set-11069090

Looks like the end is nigh,
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: wince on March 21, 2016, 12:14:53 AM
lets not forget that for huge parts of last season Leicester were shite. Whose to  say that if pearson came here, we would be no better off? If garde goes, moyes in please.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: django on March 21, 2016, 01:15:04 AM
Quote from: wince on March 21, 2016, 12:14:53 AM
lets not forget that for huge parts of last season Leicester were shite. Whose to  say that if pearson came here, we would be no better off? If garde goes, moyes in please.

In no cheerleader for Pearson but he did get Leicester promoted last season and keep them up. A lot of promoted teams would love to be shite enough to stay up. I don't see how everyone is so forgiving of Garde because of the circumstances he found himself in but don't extend the same sympathy to Pearson et al.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on March 21, 2016, 01:33:45 AM
Quote from: django on March 21, 2016, 01:15:04 AM
Quote from: wince on March 21, 2016, 12:14:53 AM
lets not forget that for huge parts of last season Leicester were shite. Whose to  say that if pearson came here, we would be no better off? If garde goes, moyes in please.

In no cheerleader for Pearson but he did get Leicester promoted last season and keep them up. A lot of promoted teams would love to be shite enough to stay up. I don't see how everyone is so forgiving of Garde because of the circumstances he found himself in but don't extend the same sympathy to Pearson et al.

Why does Pearson deserve any sympathy?
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Post by: django on March 21, 2016, 01:53:48 AM
Sympathy was the wrong word. But I've never seen anyone have so many excuses made for him as Garde. He can't be expected to get us winning games scoring goals or even creating proper chances because our players are championship players. But if a manager gets a team of championship players to stay up in the premier league that's not a creditable achievement. It just seems a bit of a double standard because of their different personalities.

I like the personality of Garde, im no fan of Pearson. I think if I was a footballer I would respond better to Garde than Pearson. But it appears in reality that footballers respond better to Pearson.
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Post by: Chris Harte on March 21, 2016, 07:47:09 AM
Garde may turn out to be a very good manager at a club that is stable. But lets face it, Villa are not stable. He was shafted in the transfer window and we hear of senior players refusing to train to his methods - he really didn't stand a chance.
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Post by: sid1964 on March 21, 2016, 08:24:11 AM
There is the main problem with our Football CLUB, the senior players refuse to train to a Managers methods! you could not make it up!, surely the club can take disciplinary action against them for this?

So if the players don't like the next managers training methods, he will be out of a job in 6 months time....surely we have someone who can tell these players where they stand, and that they need to adhere to the Managers ways of training etc...

So before they appoint the next manager, are the players to have a meeting to see who they prefer?

If at work I turned round to my Director and said I am not doing that,  I would not last too long in my job!
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Post by: rob_bridge on March 21, 2016, 08:36:13 AM
Quote from: Chris Harte on March 21, 2016, 07:47:09 AM
Garde may turn out to be a very good manager at a club that is stable. But lets face it, Villa are not stable. He was shafted in the transfer window and we hear of senior players refusing to train to his methods - he really didn't stand a chance.

This for me.

There are a dozen players who need binning - most of those experienced 'British' pros but we'll be lucky to shift 4 or 5 so the manager, now a symptom of the problems, gets binned whilst the other causes (players) carry on.
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Post by: DB on March 21, 2016, 08:44:57 AM
Quote from: exigo on March 19, 2016, 04:55:47 PM
Bring the kids in to replace those we never want to see in the shirt again. It's time to start planning for next season.
I'm all for keeping Ayew, Veretout, Adama in the team, when they're fit. But dropping Richards, Westwood, Gabby now sends them a message. We don't want you, start looking for a new club.

I can see why Garde might wait until we're mathematically gone. But after that, change has to happen.

Just drop those players who have relegation clauses. No point in playing them.
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Post by: Dave on March 21, 2016, 10:18:55 AM
Quote from: DB on March 21, 2016, 08:44:57 AM
Quote from: exigo on March 19, 2016, 04:55:47 PM
Bring the kids in to replace those we never want to see in the shirt again. It's time to start planning for next season.
I'm all for keeping Ayew, Veretout, Adama in the team, when they're fit. But dropping Richards, Westwood, Gabby now sends them a message. We don't want you, start looking for a new club.

I can see why Garde might wait until we're mathematically gone. But after that, change has to happen.

Just drop those players who have relegation clauses. No point in playing them.

Why not? If the likes of Gana have a clause that says that they can leave for say, £10m it doesn't actually mean that somebody is going to bid £10m for him and he is going to leave.
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Post by: brian green on March 21, 2016, 10:47:41 AM
Likewise Traore and Amavi and Kozak.  Any potential bidder for them will take a look at their injury record and put their cheque book back in their pocket.  In the meantime sweat them and get value out of them.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 21, 2016, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: wince on March 21, 2016, 12:14:53 AM
lets not forget that for huge parts of last season Leicester were shite. Whose to  say that if pearson came here, we would be no better off? If garde goes, moyes in please.

If you talk to PNE fans, they will tell you that Moyes couldn't get them promoted, they bottled two playoff finals under him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: DB on March 21, 2016, 10:50:10 AM
Quote from: Dave on March 21, 2016, 10:18:55 AM
Quote from: DB on March 21, 2016, 08:44:57 AM
Quote from: exigo on March 19, 2016, 04:55:47 PM
Bring the kids in to replace those we never want to see in the shirt again. It's time to start planning for next season.
I'm all for keeping Ayew, Veretout, Adama in the team, when they're fit. But dropping Richards, Westwood, Gabby now sends them a message. We don't want you, start looking for a new club.

I can see why Garde might wait until we're mathematically gone. But after that, change has to happen.

Just drop those players who have relegation clauses. No point in playing them.

Why not? If the likes of Gana have a clause that says that they can leave for say, £10m it doesn't actually mean that somebody is going to bid £10m for him and he is going to leave.

I'd be surprised if there was a value that high upon relegation.If they have a clause as they do no want to play in the  championship then drop them.
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Post by: aj2k77 on March 21, 2016, 10:56:52 AM
Garde has been absolutely shit. I quite like the man but he's had as much effect as a traffic cone in the dug out.
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Post by: Hillbilly on March 21, 2016, 12:15:51 PM
I just don't know what to think. The results have been crap and there appears to be a lot of 'staff issues' with the players going on behind the scenes. Some portion of this is Garde's problem, some of it the players', some is a legacy of previous managers and some of it the club administration. From the outside it's hard to tell. And because of that it's hard to say whether or not Garde should go. The one thing I'm sure of is the turnover of managers is pathetic and I have no faith that if Garde is culled the next guy will do any better. On the one hand I think we should settle down and give the guy a run. But on the other that didn't work too well with Lambert. I just don't know.
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Post by: mr underhill on March 21, 2016, 12:21:27 PM
so it's a sort of little Britain yes but no moment?
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Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 21, 2016, 12:48:39 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on March 20, 2016, 01:01:31 PM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on March 20, 2016, 08:45:50 AM
Far too easy to blame Garde but he is fighting every other team who have had investment of sorts with an injury hit already poor squad and zero investment.
Let Brian Little decide if we need a new manager or not.


Reading between the lines, that looks like what has happened.

Hollis said the football side of the board (ie Bernstein and Little) would be looking at that aspect of things, so there was no point preempting their decision.

Well the vote seems to be in now, according to all these reports -even from the respectable newspapers.

On the subject of Pearson, supporters (myself included) might not be too enamored with him. But people in the game don't seem to have those hang ups. BFR was calling for him to be appointed in November, and I'm sure I seen something from GT around that time praising him.

Sir Brian does a bit of pundit work, but I'm not sure he'd be in a position to recommend a good up and coming manager in the Pochettino, Clement or Karanka mould, say. By that, I mean advocating a manager like that before he comes to widespread attention in England.

Was that an unsolicited opinion or in response to a "could you see Pearson doing a job?" type question in the aftermath of Sherwood's departure.

If it's the first one, fair enough, if it's the second, they're not likely to laugh and say "what, that psychopathic ******?"
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Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 21, 2016, 12:51:06 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 20, 2016, 08:14:22 PM
We keep referring to some of the players as poisonous and a waste of space, but you know what, another Manager might actually be able to get a tune out of them if he is sharp enough. Not sure which Manager is the right man to do this but I think there has to be someone out there who will improve us?   

The only tune I'd like to hear out of some of them is a high pitched squeal as someone uses their bollocks as a glockenspiel with a rather large hammer.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 21, 2016, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on March 21, 2016, 12:51:06 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 20, 2016, 08:14:22 PM
We keep referring to some of the players as poisonous and a waste of space, but you know what, another Manager might actually be able to get a tune out of them if he is sharp enough. Not sure which Manager is the right man to do this but I think there has to be someone out there who will improve us?   

The only tune I'd like to hear out of some of them is a high pitched squeal as someone uses their bollocks as a glockenspiel with a rather large hammer.

If it had been one manager who had failed with these players you might have a case Newby, but most of these players have failed under numerous managers. They are the problem either through attitude or lack of ability.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 21, 2016, 02:14:47 PM
Whatever you think about Garde and this article will probably finish him off, this is a damning indictment of the players we have at the moment.  Wtf do they think they are.  Just obscene really.

David Ginola has told TalkSPORT programme The Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast, which was broadcast on 21st March, that Aston Villa boss Remi Garde has criticised the attitude of his players at Villa Park.

Garde took over at Villa from Tim Sherwood last year, and he was tasked with saving the Midlands side from relegation.

However, the French boss’s appointment has not had the desired impact - with Villa slipping even further away from safety.

The Claret and Blues are currently 12 points behind Norwich City, who occupy 17th place in the Premier League table, and they have won just three games all season.

Villa will almost certainly be playing Championship football next season, and, according to Ginola, Garde has suggested that the players at the club do not realise what relegation will mean.

“I’ve spoken to Remi many times,” Ginola said. “He said the attitude of the players isn’t bright. He also said that ‘I don’t think I have got the players to understand what keeping Villa in the Premier League means’. They are not ready to fight for the club. The attitude on the pitch isn’t right. I think he gave up.”

Garde’s time at Villa appears to be coming to an end, with The Sun suggesting that he will be sacked very shortly.

Villa are have reportedly compiled a three-man shortlist to take over from Garde, with Steve Bruce, Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche at the top of their wishlist (The Sun).

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 21, 2016, 02:19:28 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 21, 2016, 02:14:47 PM
Whatever you think about Garde and this article will probably finish him off, this is a damning indictment of the players we have at the moment.  Wtf do they think they are.  Just obscene really.

David Ginola has told TalkSPORT programme The Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast, which was broadcast on 21st March, that Aston Villa boss Remi Garde has criticised the attitude of his players at Villa Park.

Garde took over at Villa from Tim Sherwood last year, and he was tasked with saving the Midlands side from relegation.

However, the French boss’s appointment has not had the desired impact - with Villa slipping even further away from safety.

The Claret and Blues are currently 12 points behind Norwich City, who occupy 17th place in the Premier League table, and they have won just three games all season.

Villa will almost certainly be playing Championship football next season, and, according to Ginola, Garde has suggested that the players at the club do not realise what relegation will mean.

“I’ve spoken to Remi many times,” Ginola said. “He said the attitude of the players isn’t bright. He also said that ‘I don’t think I have got the players to understand what keeping Villa in the Premier League means’. They are not ready to fight for the club. The attitude on the pitch isn’t right. I think he gave up.”

Garde’s time at Villa appears to be coming to an end, with The Sun suggesting that he will be sacked very shortly.

Villa are have reportedly compiled a three-man shortlist to take over from Garde, with Steve Bruce, Nigel Pearson and Sean Dyche at the top of their wishlist (The Sun).



I think Garde is spot on. It's seem like he's going to go anyway now, but I really hope that a major part of this review focusses on the players. For far too long they have got away without any blame, they need to be well and truly in the sights of this review.
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Post by: Chris Jameson on March 21, 2016, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on March 21, 2016, 10:49:29 AM
If you talk to PNE fans

I try not to.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on March 21, 2016, 02:23:15 PM
We can't keep sacking managers so quickly and so often. We need to steady the ship after relegation is confirmed. Garde inherited a sinking ship and hasn't had the opportunity to bring in a single player of his own choosing. How can we condemn the man so quickly in those circumstances?
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Post by: sid1964 on March 21, 2016, 02:47:31 PM
I agree with Big Dick Edwards, we need a period of stability

When we sack Garde and bring in this next candidate, if he fails to get us promotion or in the play offs next season, most fans will be calling for a change of manager again!

If we are going to go down that route, it would make sense to start giving out a 12 month rolling contract to our next Manager

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: andyh on March 21, 2016, 02:58:29 PM
If Remi wasn't  undermined before, he certainly is now after that revelation from Ginola.
I don't think that will help the situation at all.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 21, 2016, 03:08:48 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 21, 2016, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on March 21, 2016, 10:49:29 AM
If you talk to PNE fans

I try not to.

Hard for me as my partners family are all PNE fans. Our little boy is being brought up to support Villa, not sure that is an act of kindness mind.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ozzjim on March 21, 2016, 09:56:19 PM
What do they think of Grayson??
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Post by: DB on March 21, 2016, 10:00:46 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 21, 2016, 09:56:19 PM
What do they think of Grayson??

I think we can close the door on that one...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: conman on March 22, 2016, 03:35:23 AM
Quote from: DB on March 21, 2016, 10:00:46 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 21, 2016, 09:56:19 PM
What do they think of Grayson??

I think we can close the door on that one...
shut it
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: TheMalandro on March 22, 2016, 06:43:50 AM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on March 21, 2016, 02:23:15 PM
We can't keep sacking managers so quickly and so often. We need to steady the ship after relegation is confirmed. Garde inherited a sinking ship and hasn't had the opportunity to bring in a single player of his own choosing. How can we condemn the man so quickly in those circumstances?

My sentiments too. To hire a manager and sack him six months later, in our situation, is ludicrous. It sits very badly with me.

It speaks more about Lerner than Garde.
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Post by: brian green on March 22, 2016, 07:11:49 AM
It also sits very badly with me.  My metaphor that the mechanic will be sent packing and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start sent for is, I admit, simplistic but in essence true.

We either accept that the whole Villa machine is broken or we don't.  I believe it is broken.  This calamitous season has been coming for the last five years. It is not something that has suddenly happened that can be fixed by a Nigel Pearson character grabbing players by the throat or managerial methods of the same style.

The team needs to be rebuilt totally.  Stupid long term contracts with players of negative value have to be sorted out.  Nothing short of a new start will be needed.

I think Remi Garde has been treated shamefully by the club and nowhere near enough appreciation of the magnitude of the mess he was thrown into extended to him.

If he is replaced whoever takes his place will owe Remi Garde a very big debt of gratitude for having been put in front of the firing squad and having his football career severely damaged by being held to account for circumstances beyond his control and not of his making.

Facing up to a new season in the Championship in August will be a walk in the park compared with walking into the snake pit that was Villa Park last November.
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Post by: Ian. on March 22, 2016, 07:19:03 AM
My thoughts to Brian.
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Post by: croatian on March 22, 2016, 07:23:37 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 22, 2016, 07:11:49 AM
It also sits very badly with me.  My metaphor that the mechanic will be sent packing and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start sent for is, I admit, simplistic but in essence true.

We either accept that the whole Villa machine is broken or we don't.  I believe it is broken.  This calamitous season has been coming for the last five years. It is not something that has suddenly happened that can be fixed by a Nigel Pearson character grabbing players by the throat or managerial methods of the same style.

The team needs to be rebuilt totally.  Stupid long term contracts with players of negative value have to be sorted out.  Nothing short of a new start will be needed.

I think Remi Garde has been treated shamefully by the club and nowhere near enough appreciation of the magnitude of the mess he was thrown into extended to him.

If he is replaced whoever takes his place will owe Remi Garde a very big debt of gratitude for having been put in front of the firing squad and having his football career severely damaged by being held to account for circumstances beyond his control and not of his making.

Facing up to a new season in the Championship in August will be a walk in the park compared with walking into the snake pit that was Villa Park last November.
Couldn't agree more.
Whatever the outcome, he's been treated disgustingly, which doesn't surprise me given what this club has sunk to, and is owed a grovelling apology.
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Post by: Hoppo on March 22, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
I'm not heartless but treated shamefully? Treated disgustingly?
I'm sorry it's just over the top sentimental Shite.
He has been an unmitigated disaster.
Incapable of any enthusiasm for the job, yeah he realised Gabby was crap, I saw that from L8 7 years ago.
Some fans fell in love with the French name and thought how beautiful this was going to be.
In reality the man has been crap, the charisma of a dead badger.
Yet another parasite raping our club, he can do one and take David Ginolas mum with him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: brian green on March 22, 2016, 07:38:39 AM
You have a way with words Hoppo.  A very bad one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 22, 2016, 07:43:05 AM
Although I think it's an inevitable consequence of what's happened this season that he will go, I actually feel guilt (ridiculous I know) when I think about him being sacked.  If he'd have bought some players and then failed then fair enough but to see those jokers still in jobs and him not is an unseemly episode in our history.
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Post by: Hoppo on March 22, 2016, 07:54:58 AM
It's not about having a way with words, the fact is he has been horrendous.
A bright point against Man City and downhill all the way.
He has nothing but negative, no plan, no cohesion.
Lower league cup teams look more organised, there has been nothing, absolutely nothing to get excited about since he arrived.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: UK Redsox on March 22, 2016, 07:59:09 AM
I have also been disappointed with Garde's time as manager. However, I don't see any point in ditching him now and making a panic appointment such as Mad-Nige.

Leave making a decision until after the season. Then, if a decision is taken to ditch Remi, so be it. At least there will be time to sell the club's potential to other managers, rather than just having to settle for who's out of work at the moment.
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Post by: oldtimernow on March 22, 2016, 08:00:56 AM
Quote from: croatian on March 22, 2016, 07:23:37 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 22, 2016, 07:11:49 AM
It also sits very badly with me.  My metaphor that the mechanic will be sent packing and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start sent for is, I admit, simplistic but in essence true.

We either accept that the whole Villa machine is broken or we don't.  I believe it is broken.  This calamitous season has been coming for the last five years. It is not something that has suddenly happened that can be fixed by a Nigel Pearson character grabbing players by the throat or managerial methods of the same style.

The team needs to be rebuilt totally.  Stupid long term contracts with players of negative value have to be sorted out.  Nothing short of a new start will be needed.

I think Remi Garde has been treated shamefully by the club and nowhere near enough appreciation of the magnitude of the mess he was thrown into extended to him.

If he is replaced whoever takes his place will owe Remi Garde a very big debt of gratitude for having been put in front of the firing squad and having his football career severely damaged by being held to account for circumstances beyond his control and not of his making.

Facing up to a new season in the Championship in August will be a walk in the park compared with walking into the snake pit that was Villa Park last November.
Couldn't agree more.
Whatever the outcome, he's been treated disgustingly, which doesn't surprise me given what this club has sunk to, and is owed a grovelling apology.

pour encourager les autres?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Tony Erdington on March 22, 2016, 08:01:13 AM
Quote from: Hoppo on March 22, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
I'm not heartless but treated shamefully? Treated disgustingly?
I'm sorry it's just over the top sentimental Shite.
He has been an unmitigated disaster.
Incapable of any enthusiasm for the job, yeah he realised Gabby was crap, I saw that from L8 7 years ago.
Some fans fell in love with the French name and thought how beautiful this was going to be.
In reality the man has been crap, the charisma of a dead badger.
Yet another parasite raping our club, he can do one and take David Ginolas mum with him.

Reasonable argument,

Aston Villa is rotten from the top, lerner appoints wannabe premiership managers, with no knowledge of the premiership then sacks them, got to admit its a formula,

To be honest would/will any manager of "experience" take this job now?

The next manager will have to be given a hefty budget, is that going to happen?

No then bring in the next Garde
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Post by: berneboy on March 22, 2016, 08:12:51 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 22, 2016, 07:11:49 AM
It also sits very badly with me.  My metaphor that the mechanic will be sent packing and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start sent for is, I admit, simplistic but in essence true.

We either accept that the whole Villa machine is broken or we don't.  I believe it is broken.  This calamitous season has been coming for the last five years. It is not something that has suddenly happened that can be fixed by a Nigel Pearson character grabbing players by the throat or managerial methods of the same style.

The team needs to be rebuilt totally.  Stupid long term contracts with players of negative value have to be sorted out.  Nothing short of a new start will be needed.

I think Remi Garde has been treated shamefully by the club and nowhere near enough appreciation of the magnitude of the mess he was thrown into extended to him.

If he is replaced whoever takes his place will owe Remi Garde a very big debt of gratitude for having been put in front of the firing squad and having his football career severely damaged by being held to account for circumstances beyond his control and not of his making.

Facing up to a new season in the Championship in August will be a walk in the park compared with walking into the snake pit that was Villa Park last November.

Agreed
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Post by: cdward on March 22, 2016, 08:29:32 AM
Since Garde has been here there has been upheaval at the club.  His boss Randy Lerner has shown he is not interested, Tom Fox has shown he is only interested in himself, the players are underperforming and clearly not motivated. The sporting director has been sacked, the fans have been protesting against the owner and players for their lack of commitment. The players have no confidence, and keep dropping clangers. He identifies areas in the team to strengthen and doesn't get anybody in the transfer window. All round he has been dealt a shit hand. He has called it as straight as he can, Ginola is only reiterating it.  Now the whole set up at the club has changed, with a new chairman and board.
Any manager needs to identify our areas of weakness and strengthen them, personally i would prefer the board to come out and back him in the summer, he knows who needs binning the same as the rest of us. But is it any wonder he seems to have lost faith himself, when you see the likes of Guzan, Lescott, Richards dropping you in it week after week, then looking at Gabby and N'Zog on the bench.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: croatian on March 22, 2016, 08:58:57 AM
I've got a deal of sympathy for Remi, or Remy as the AVFC web site know him. Or R.E.M.E. as the Gen might know him.

Take away the players that are plainly not premier, or even Championship quality.
Take away the wasters that apparently have a point to prove by withdrawing their effort on the pitch.

Who's left? Anybody?

What chance of success did Remi have?

None.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Ron Manager on March 22, 2016, 09:14:36 AM
It is blindingly obvious he should have withdrawn his services immediately after the January transfer window.But he did not and that was a major error on his part.His reputation is now shattered and he will probably be dispensed with.The thought of the huge grin on Agbonlahors face when he goes makes me wish that they do employ Nigel Pearson just to sort the flabby one out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mike on March 22, 2016, 09:19:32 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 22, 2016, 07:11:49 AM
It also sits very badly with me.  My metaphor that the mechanic will be sent packing and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start sent for is, I admit, simplistic but in essence true.

We either accept that the whole Villa machine is broken or we don't.  I believe it is broken.  This calamitous season has been coming for the last five years. It is not something that has suddenly happened that can be fixed by a Nigel Pearson character grabbing players by the throat or managerial methods of the same style.

The team needs to be rebuilt totally.  Stupid long term contracts with players of negative value have to be sorted out.  Nothing short of a new start will be needed.

I think Remi Garde has been treated shamefully by the club and nowhere near enough appreciation of the magnitude of the mess he was thrown into extended to him.

If he is replaced whoever takes his place will owe Remi Garde a very big debt of gratitude for having been put in front of the firing squad and having his football career severely damaged by being held to account for circumstances beyond his control and not of his making.

Facing up to a new season in the Championship in August will be a walk in the park compared with walking into the snake pit that was Villa Park last November.

The only part of this I disagree with, Brian, is that this will affect Garde's reputation or future career. It was already obvious to the neutral observer that he had been given in an a hopeless task with no support but the failure to back him in January was the final evidence they needed. I think the reputation that is tarnished is ours, not his.

He seems to be polarising opinion at the moment but I think the actual truth is we will only find out whether he is a good football manager when he takes on his next job. if you give me two pieces of bread and a turd I will struggle to provide anything other than a shit sandwich but I would not expect my culinary skills to be judged one way or the other.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mattjpa on March 22, 2016, 09:26:56 AM
Ultimately, I dont think he will outlast this, I think he will be gone as a victim of circumstance. Something needs to change and we cant sack and pay off the whole squad. but in a few years time, I imagine we will look back on his short time here as contributing more than the previous 4-5years of self serving depression. He hasnt towed the line, He has called out the board for hiding, he has called out the players for what they are - poor quality, unmotivated, self serving wankers. He has told the management what is required and put his own reputation on the line to prove that what we have is not good enough. He has identified what is wrong and has not hid when questioned on it.

If we had him here 5 years ago, we would be in a better place than we are now, im sure of it. As has been said many times before, Right man, wrong time. I think he is someone that could have restored us to the top echelons of world football but we are simply in too much of a mess for someone of his ilk right now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on March 22, 2016, 09:27:32 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on March 22, 2016, 09:14:36 AM
It is blindingly obvious he should have withdrawn his services immediately after the January transfer window.But he did not and that was a major error on his part.His reputation is now shattered and he will probably be dispensed with.The thought of the huge grin on Agbonlahors face when he goes makes me wish that they do employ Nigel Pearson just to sort the flabby one out. Po

I really do like Garde. At risk of repeating others, he is very dignified in press conference and has done what he can with a horrendous hand. I also think that his reputation will still be intact, particularly in France where he will probably do well at his next club. What you have put your finger on with regards to Gabby Agbonlahor is my fear going into our next appointment: we have far too many players whose poor attitude somewhat amazingly trumps their lack of ability as their main problem and I would hate us to get a manager who lets them get away with it. Gabby, Lescott, Richards and Guzan have shown degrees of poor attitude this season and longer. I'm not even counting N'Zogbia who is thankfully not our problem going forward. There are others too. If we don't get a manager who is strong enough to stand up to them and get rid of them if at all possible (unlikely) then we cannot progress.

Going back to Garde - whilst I like him, I cannot say I will be too sad if he goes. Him and Villa don't seem to 'fit' at this stage - with mistakes being made primarily in January.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 22, 2016, 09:35:25 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 22, 2016, 07:11:49 AM
It also sits very badly with me.  My metaphor that the mechanic will be sent packing and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start sent for is, I admit, simplistic but in essence true.

We either accept that the whole Villa machine is broken or we don't.  I believe it is broken.  This calamitous season has been coming for the last five years. It is not something that has suddenly happened that can be fixed by a Nigel Pearson character grabbing players by the throat or managerial methods of the same style.

The team needs to be rebuilt totally.  Stupid long term contracts with players of negative value have to be sorted out.  Nothing short of a new start will be needed.

I think Remi Garde has been treated shamefully by the club and nowhere near enough appreciation of the magnitude of the mess he was thrown into extended to him.

If he is replaced whoever takes dinghis place will owe Remi Garde a very big debt of gratitude for having been put in front of the firing squad and having his football career severely damaged by being held to account for circumstances beyond his control and not of his making.

Facing up to a new season in the Championship in August will be a walk in the park compared with walking into the snake pit that was Villa Park last November.

In other threads you've talked about the dignity that Bernstein, King and Hollis will restore to Villa. Yet these will be the people who will be sacking Garde. I'm a bit confused because you seem to be slating the old regime that hired Garde and lauding the new Board who will be sacking him? In which case, I'm in total agreement with you.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: DeKuip on March 22, 2016, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 22, 2016, 07:11:49 AM
It also sits very badly with me.  My metaphor that the mechanic will be sent packing and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start sent for is, I admit, simplistic but in essence true.

We either accept that the whole Villa machine is broken or we don't.  I believe it is broken.  This calamitous season has been coming for the last five years. It is not something that has suddenly happened that can be fixed by a Nigel Pearson character grabbing players by the throat or managerial methods of the same style.

The team needs to be rebuilt totally.  Stupid long term contracts with players of negative value have to be sorted out.  Nothing short of a new start will be needed.

I think Remi Garde has been treated shamefully by the club and nowhere near enough appreciation of the magnitude of the mess he was thrown into extended to him.

If he is replaced whoever takes his place will owe Remi Garde a very big debt of gratitude for having been put in front of the firing squad and having his football career severely damaged by being held to account for circumstances beyond his control and not of his making.

Facing up to a new season in the Championship in August will be a walk in the park compared with walking into the snake pit that was Villa Park last November.

Spot on.

The senior players are the biggest problem and any manager we appoint will only be as successful as their attention span allows.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: chrisw1 on March 22, 2016, 10:24:44 AM
For all his dignity and lack of backing we simply should have secured more points that we have since he was appointed.

Ultimately, the love in when we hired him seemed more based on him being different, sounding eloquent and, if people are honest with themselves, I suspect the hope he could be the next Wegner.

But frankly, he appears to have shown absolutely nothing on the training ground or in the dug-out to justify the level of backing he has had (from the fans and on here) and continues to get.  In all honestly he has done a worse job than John Carver.

I would love him to be the next great manager, but for fucks sake he has to show something, surely?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: clash city rocker on March 22, 2016, 10:25:06 AM
Perhaps the players will now see a board who are less likely to suffer fools and this may make it easier for the manager going forward whoever that may be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: sid1964 on March 22, 2016, 10:28:57 AM
I could not agree more Brian

For me the biggest problem and has been for 5+ years are the players at our club

I watched Gabby in the warm up before one of our home games, they play 2 touch (supposedly pass and move) football between the 10 outfield players who are starting in the game

Gabby stood at the corner of the pitch and hardly moved, and therein lies the problem, everything they are asked to do is too much like hard work

For me the likes of Gabby / Richards / Guzan etc... will always look to blame someone else it is never there fault

Roy Keane realised that they were all on easy street, and their attitude etc.. could not be changed, we need to get rid of them quickly in the summer.

I think that at the next home game, instead of having a go at Lerner / the Board etc... we ought to let certain players know what we think of them! they are a disgrace to this great Football Club
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: peter w on March 22, 2016, 10:34:54 AM
Garde has been let down by his players. They are not good enough obviously but they were the same players that he knew we had when he decided to take the job. That the board and backroom staff them were inadequate is symptomatic of where we are as a club and for that Garde will have my sympathies. But he has to shoulder a lot of blame because he has failed to get any fight from them. That is his job and he's failed and has also clearly given up. The January window is also a red herring because there is no evidence that he wasn't backed other than our targets went elsewhere for a variety of reasons.

I too like Garde and like every other Villa manager in the Lerner era post MON he can just argue that the club was a mess and nothing that he could do. His reputation of anything will be stronger for the experience.

No Garde has to shoulder his fair proportion of the blame and as has been said if he can't get this lot to run for him then he be they need to go.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 22, 2016, 10:50:44 AM
So has he gone then?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 22, 2016, 10:51:08 AM
Quote from: peter w on March 22, 2016, 10:34:54 AM
Garde has been let down by his players. They are not good enough obviously but they were the same players that he knew we had when he decided to take the job. That the board and backroom staff them were inadequate is symptomatic of where we are as a club and for that Garde will have my sympathies. But he has to shoulder a lot of blame because he has failed to get any fight from them. That is his job and he's failed and has also clearly given up. The January window is also a red herring because there is no evidence that he wasn't backed other than our targets went elsewhere for a variety of reasons.

I too like Garde and like every other Villa manager in the Lerner era post MON he can just argue that the club was a mess and nothing that he could do. His reputation of anything will be stronger for the experience.

No Garde has to shoulder his fair proportion of the blame and as has been said if he can't get this lot to run for him then he be they need to go.

As I've said, I think he started to get something out of the team until the defeat to Liverpool and since then it's looked like everyone has given up on trying to stay up which ties in with what Ginola has said.

What I find interesting is that the 6 games (including the cup games) where Kozak came in are the ones where we looked like we knew what we were doing.  Since then we've had Gabby turn up for his 1 game this season against Norwich and we've lost the rest.  It shows, for me, that having a striker who offers movement and forces defenders to make decisions makes us a better side and probably one that could stay up.  I know it's a small sample but 5 points in 4 games in the midst of this season is a significant 'bump' and the only real difference was up front.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: DBTW on March 22, 2016, 10:57:52 AM
A good friend who works in the media has just text me to say the story is just about to be released, Garde has gone
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: boozey182 on March 22, 2016, 10:59:22 AM
One of the best arguments to keep Remi that I can come up with is that he seems to have already identified the players we need to get rid of. The idea of a bunch of them getting a clean slate with a manager is soul destroying. Of course, the counter argument to that is that we might not be able to shift them under Remi or anyone else, so do we get a manager to make the most of our players, rather than getting in the players to make the most of the manager... One would be considerably cheaper than the other, but not the best option in the long term.

I really like Remi, but I'll admit to being slightly disillusioned with him. I wanted him to be a bit more adventurous and our football to be more exciting, and hoped he'd be able to get it out of these players. He hasn't, and he needs to take responsibility for that. Enough to lose his job though? I don't think so. I'd still like to see what he can do with some of his own signings, a full pre season (a much better time to get you players fit than the middle of November), and maybe even a couple of members of staff.

If our current board was about to hire him, I'd be really excited.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: gpbarr on March 22, 2016, 11:05:49 AM
Quote from: brian green on March 22, 2016, 07:11:49 AM
It also sits very badly with me.  My metaphor that the mechanic will be sent packing and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start sent for is, I admit, simplistic but in essence true.

We either accept that the whole Villa machine is broken or we don't.  I believe it is broken.  This calamitous season has been coming for the last five years. It is not something that has suddenly happened that can be fixed by a Nigel Pearson character grabbing players by the throat or managerial methods of the same style.

The team needs to be rebuilt totally.  Stupid long term contracts with players of negative value have to be sorted out.  Nothing short of a new start will be needed.

I think Remi Garde has been treated shamefully by the club and nowhere near enough appreciation of the magnitude of the mess he was thrown into extended to him.

If he is replaced whoever takes his place will owe Remi Garde a very big debt of gratitude for having been put in front of the firing squad and having his football career severely damaged by being held to account for circumstances beyond his control and not of his making.

Facing up to a new season in the Championship in August will be a walk in the park compared with walking into the snake pit that was Villa Park last November.

Agreed Brian. I don't think the polarization is about Garde per se, I think it's about a fundamental question of winning at all costs, irrespective the consequences.

The club is on its knees and no one man will turn it around. It needs a complete overhaul - which includes tackling the biggest problems here - ownership and players.

Garde has been treated abysmally - but then that seems to be the way the club wants to behave which is all the more sad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Eigentor on March 22, 2016, 11:10:30 AM
Voted "Yes".

Results have been poor. He hasn't found a way to get the non-triers to try, but that shouldn't be his job description. Let him get his own players in and then judge him, is my opinion.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 11:21:17 AM
He is totally out of his depth In the same way that Fox and Amstat were woefully inadequate. That in no way absolves the people who presided over the club structure that lead to their appointments in the first place.

That's why anyone with even a modicum of common sense is counceling a wait and see approach with the latest reshufle.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ROBBO on March 22, 2016, 11:29:01 AM
Who would have done any better with this group of players? I for one don't believe it would have made any difference whoever was the manager, look at the skill levels the energy levels and the total lack of backbone by most of the squad. This isn't a managerial problem it is a problem of years of mismanagement from the very top, I'm sick of sacking managers.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Dazvillain on March 22, 2016, 11:34:50 AM
As with some on here I don't necessarily have reason to not like remi but his record is awful and we shown no desire or ability in winning games and therefore he should go. However if he hasn't by this weekend it's been a fortnight wasted for a new manager to work with the squad. So if not gone by weekend I think the club must have reason in keeping him whatever into next season . Is that a fair assumption ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: gpbarr on March 22, 2016, 12:08:33 PM
Quote from: ROBBO on March 22, 2016, 11:29:01 AM
Who would have done any better with this group of players? I for one don't believe it would have made any difference whoever was the manager, look at the skill levels the energy levels and the total lack of backbone by most of the squad. This isn't a managerial problem it is a problem of years of mismanagement from the very top, I'm sick of sacking managers.

Its always the easy way out, which is why it happens so much in modern day football. You would think they would learn, alas they don't. Get a fresh face, stick your head in the sand, and hope it will be different next time.

How utterly stupid 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 22, 2016, 12:17:55 PM
Quote
Get a fresh face, stick your head in the sand

Are you an ostrich?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: gpbarr on March 22, 2016, 12:23:27 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 22, 2016, 12:17:55 PM
Quote
Get a fresh face, stick your head in the sand

Are you an ostrich?

Not the last time I checked.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 22, 2016, 12:25:57 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 22, 2016, 10:24:44 AM
For all his dignity and lack of backing we simply should have secured more points that we have since he was appointed.

Ultimately, the love in when we hired him seemed more based on him being different, sounding eloquent and, if people are honest with themselves, I suspect the hope he could be the next Wegner.

But frankly, he appears to have shown absolutely nothing on the training ground or in the dug-out to justify the level of backing he has had (from the fans and on here) and continues to get.  In all honestly he has done a worse job than John Carver.

I would love him to be the next great manager, but for fucks sake he has to show something, surely?

This. His record is appalling. It was a difficult job but he's been crap at it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mr underhill on March 22, 2016, 12:40:18 PM
interesting that Mike Ashley has just come out and said the Toon don't have a pot to piss in and he ain't stumping up any more tin. Could be interesting with them next season
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: b23 on March 22, 2016, 12:40:29 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on March 22, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
I'm not heartless but treated shamefully? Treated disgustingly?
I'm sorry it's just over the top sentimental Shite.
He has been an unmitigated disaster.
Incapable of any enthusiasm for the job, yeah he realised Gabby was crap, I saw that from L8 7 years ago.
Some fans fell in love with the French name and thought how beautiful this was going to be.
In reality the man has been crap, the charisma of a dead badger.
Yet another parasite raping our club, he can do one and take David Ginolas mum with him.

I agree.

People seem to forget that the Club tried to back him in January.
Kalinic couldn't get a work permit.
Doumbia chose Newcastle.
Debuchy chose Bordeaux.
Maybe there were other players too, that didn't want to join ?

Garde has been well paid but he's been another Managerial disaster and must go.

I had high hopes for him, he was likened to the Second coming of Wenger but it has'nt worked out that way. He has an appalling win percentage at Villa. He seems to have made a bad team even worse.

Au revoir Remi and thanks for your input. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 22, 2016, 01:13:52 PM
He has been shat on its true, and I do feel sympathy for the fact that he hasn't been able to have a go 'on a level playing field' as things might have been very different. The fact of the matter is though, his points per game average and the performances have been truely shocking even taking into consideration the obstacles and I'm quite happy to see anyone replaced in the job with that record. I have no confidence what so ever that he could get us back up next season, he appears to be and results would suggest that he's not the right fit for us and where we are as a club. I genuinely believe that there are other managers out there who could do better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 22, 2016, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on March 22, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
Yet another parasite raping our club

*makes note for annual 'most ludicrous post of the year award'*

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: malckennedy on March 22, 2016, 01:29:20 PM
Reading this thread, though I admit that there are large gaps in my reading of it, I have noticed a correlation between contributors' ability to express themselves clearly in writing and their views on whether or not Remi Garde deserves to be sacked. Generally those with the best levels of written expression are more sympathetic to his situation whereas those for whom written English seems more of a challenge want him gone. Is there an element of inverted snobbery in evidence here?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: UK Redsox on March 22, 2016, 01:30:55 PM
I'm sure that 'The Raping Parasites" were the original support band on the current 'African Car Reverser' tour.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Clampy on March 22, 2016, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on March 22, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
I'm not heartless but treated shamefully? Treated disgustingly?
I'm sorry it's just over the top sentimental Shite.
He has been an unmitigated disaster.
Incapable of any enthusiasm for the job, yeah he realised Gabby was crap, I saw that from L8 7 years ago.
Some fans fell in love with the French name and thought how beautiful this was going to be.
In reality the man has been crap, the charisma of a dead badger.
Yet another parasite raping our club, he can do one and take David Ginolas mum with him.

Well it get's my vote for idiotic post of the year so far anyway.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: joe_c on March 22, 2016, 01:37:47 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on March 22, 2016, 01:30:55 PM
I'm sure that 'The Raping Parasites" were the original support band on the current 'African Car Reverser' tour.

I remember seeing them as I sipped a pint of Hoppo's Frothing Overreaction.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: chrisw1 on March 22, 2016, 01:58:12 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 22, 2016, 12:40:18 PM
interesting that Mike Ashley has just come out and said the Toon don't have a pot to piss in and he ain't stumping up any more tin. Could be interesting with them next season

I'll never advocate our abject surrender in January, but this is the over side of the coin we could have been looking at.  If they go down they are well and truly fucked.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Tony Erdington on March 22, 2016, 02:00:16 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 22, 2016, 01:58:12 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on March 22, 2016, 12:40:18 PM
interesting that Mike Ashley has just come out and said the Toon don't have a pot to piss in and he ain't stumping up any more tin. Could be interesting with them next season

I'll never advocate our abject surrender in January, but this is the over side of the coin we could have been looking at.  If they go down they are well and truly fucked.

Agreed Newcastle are going down with us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: chrisw1 on March 22, 2016, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 22, 2016, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on March 22, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
I'm not heartless but treated shamefully? Treated disgustingly?
I'm sorry it's just over the top sentimental Shite.
He has been an unmitigated disaster.
Incapable of any enthusiasm for the job, yeah he realised Gabby was crap, I saw that from L8 7 years ago.
Some fans fell in love with the French name and thought how beautiful this was going to be.
In reality the man has been crap, the charisma of a dead badger.
Yet another parasite raping our club, he can do one and take David Ginolas mum with him.

Well it get's my vote for idiotic post of the year so far anyway.

That may be a decent shout, but this one just a few posts before surely has to take the biscuit?

Quote from: malckennedy on March 22, 2016, 01:29:20 PM
Reading this thread, though I admit that there are large gaps in my reading of it, I have noticed a correlation between contributors' ability to express themselves clearly in writing and their views on whether or not Remi Garde deserves to be sacked. Generally those with the best levels of written expression are more sympathetic to his situation whereas those for whom written English seems more of a challenge want him gone. Is there an element of inverted snobbery in evidence here?

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 22, 2016, 02:05:22 PM
While it was clearly difficult, part of walking into any management position in any industry is working with the employees that you have at your disposal and getting the most out of them. Over time you evaluate and observe so you make well thought out changes. What's disappointed me about Garde is that he very quickly drew a line in the sand and while some of things he said we all agreed with,  given the circumstances it was counter productive. His job was to use what he had to bridge a 5 point gap. That it has become 12 points and certain relegation is in part down to how he has handled the situation.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 22, 2016, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 22, 2016, 02:05:22 PM
While it was clearly difficult, part of walking into any management position in any industry is working with the employees that you have at your disposal and getting the most out of them. Over time you evaluate and observe so you make well thought out changes. What's disappointed me about Garde is that he very quickly drew a line in the sand and while some of things he said we all agreed with,  given the circumstances it was counter productive. His job was to use what he had to bridge a 5 point gap. That it has become 12 points and certain relegation is in part down to how he has handled the situation.

The difference is though if you can see glaring gaps in your staffing in any other industry you advertise to fill those roles and if you have staff that don't fit you can always move them on.  Transfer windows and fixed term contracts mean that those options aren't available in football so the turn around from failing as badly as we were isn't so easy.

My issue with sacking him is that if we do that we either replace him with another manager in the same mold who will have the same problems or we go with someone like Pearson or Bruce. I personally can't support that because I think it would be a backwards step and would leave us struggling as a bit of a yoyo side for years.  I therefore want someone like Garde to try to change the ethos of the club and help us create an identity.  Getting someone to come in and do that when we gave the last guy 5 months is going to be very tough so I want us to keep Garde for now.  That said I hope that if he does stay (which seems unlikely) he starts picking a side for the future because there's no point worrying about relegation now we should be concentrating on getting back up.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: KevinGage on March 22, 2016, 02:22:02 PM
Totally agree TV.

He made a very difficult job virtually impossible.

Thing is, I think quite a few Villa fans would have accepted going down this season, from the position we were in in November. Not embraced it, just being realistic after the start we had.

But we haven't even made a fight of it, and part of that has to be on Remi.  More responsibility rests with our shitbag players though.  For that reason, it's only fair that if Remi loses his job, they get the guillotine.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 22, 2016, 03:10:35 PM
I've said before that I like Garde and I think a number of our players are total wasters. However it is a fact that Garde has been crap. Not all his own fault for sure (who read that in Brian Little's voice?) but he has been very well paid to ultimately delivery very little. I wouldn't be fussed if he stayed, likewise I won't be fussed if he is sacked.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: rob_bridge on March 22, 2016, 03:13:03 PM
Probably the first manager since BFR where I don't believe his time is yet up.

Although in hindsight I was wrong about BFR with an ageing unmotivated squad.

Plus if we give the previous 3 utter muppets £2m for clearing off then Garde can rightfully claim the same loot.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 22, 2016, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 22, 2016, 02:05:22 PM
While it was clearly difficult, part of walking into any management position in any industry is working with the employees that you have at your disposal and getting the most out of them. Over time you evaluate and observe so you make well thought out changes. What's disappointed me about Garde is that he very quickly drew a line in the sand and while some of things he said we all agreed with,  given the circumstances it was counter productive. His job was to use what he had to bridge a 5 point gap. That it has become 12 points and certain relegation is in part down to how he has handled the situation.

It might be another case of fading memory, but I don't remember that being his first line of defence.  We'd gone through the almost euphoric period of 5 points in 4 games through January and a perception that Wycombe away had been our nadir, only to reach 2nd February with no new signings. That was where I recall the wheels coming off spectacularly.

It was almost as if he'd run out of tricks to get them bothered after the lack of threat about being replaced had gone. It almost feels like a good old fashioned work to rule, where they're doing the bare minimum to not get sacked.
Turn up for training as per contact? Tick.
Carry out drills as per coaches instructions? Tick.
Turn up on match day? Tick.
Play where required by manager? Tick.
Put some effort in and look like I give at least half a f##k? Is that in my contract? No? Bollocks to that then.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: LeeB on March 22, 2016, 04:25:12 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on March 22, 2016, 02:02:03 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 22, 2016, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on March 22, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
I'm not heartless but treated shamefully? Treated disgustingly?
I'm sorry it's just over the top sentimental Shite.
He has been an unmitigated disaster.
Incapable of any enthusiasm for the job, yeah he realised Gabby was crap, I saw that from L8 7 years ago.
Some fans fell in love with the French name and thought how beautiful this was going to be.
In reality the man has been crap, the charisma of a dead badger.
Yet another parasite raping our club, he can do one and take David Ginolas mum with him.

Well it get's my vote for idiotic post of the year so far anyway.

That may be a decent shout, but this one just a few posts before surely has to take the biscuit?

Quote from: malckennedy on March 22, 2016, 01:29:20 PM
Reading this thread, though I admit that there are large gaps in my reading of it, I have noticed a correlation between contributors' ability to express themselves clearly in writing and their views on whether or not Remi Garde deserves to be sacked. Generally those with the best levels of written expression are more sympathetic to his situation whereas those for whom written English seems more of a challenge want him gone. Is there an element of inverted snobbery in evidence here?



I doubt it, I've thought the same myself.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: LeeB on March 22, 2016, 04:29:13 PM
Unless you factor in my idiocy of course, in which case you may have a point
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Ron Manager on March 22, 2016, 04:31:45 PM
I think he may be staying as it appears he is still in the job this afternoon. Perhaps the major players on the board sense it would not look good if they were to dispense with his services when he hasn't had a fair crack of the whip. I would have agreed with this until a few weeks ago. I do not now. He looks totally defeated on the sidelines (as Lambert did) and despite doing his best has failed to improve the team one iota.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: glasses on March 22, 2016, 04:32:46 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 22, 2016, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on March 22, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
I'm not heartless but treated shamefully? Treated disgustingly?
I'm sorry it's just over the top sentimental Shite.
He has been an unmitigated disaster.
Incapable of any enthusiasm for the job, yeah he realised Gabby was crap, I saw that from L8 7 years ago.
Some fans fell in love with the French name and thought how beautiful this was going to be.
In reality the man has been crap, the charisma of a dead badger.
Yet another parasite raping our club, he can do one and take David Ginolas mum with him.

Well it get's my vote for idiotic post of the year so far anyway.
Without the last sentence, it's not that bad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 22, 2016, 05:41:11 PM
Quote from: glasses on March 22, 2016, 04:32:46 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 22, 2016, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on March 22, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
I'm not heartless but treated shamefully? Treated disgustingly?
I'm sorry it's just over the top sentimental Shite.
He has been an unmitigated disaster.
Incapable of any enthusiasm for the job, yeah he realised Gabby was crap, I saw that from L8 7 years ago.
Some fans fell in love with the French name and thought how beautiful this was going to be.
In reality the man has been crap, the charisma of a dead badger.
Yet another parasite raping our club, he can do one and take David Ginolas mum with him.

Well it get's my vote for idiotic post of the year so far anyway.
Without the last sentence, it's not that bad.
I dunno, the insinuation that having a foreign name was enough for some fans is pretty poor form as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Brian Taylor on March 22, 2016, 05:53:24 PM
Is he is or is he ain't?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Mister E on March 22, 2016, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on March 22, 2016, 04:10:43 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 22, 2016, 02:05:22 PM
While it was clearly difficult, part of walking into any management position in any industry is working with the employees that you have at your disposal and getting the most out of them. Over time you evaluate and observe so you make well thought out changes. What's disappointed me about Garde is that he very quickly drew a line in the sand and while some of things he said we all agreed with,  given the circumstances it was counter productive. His job was to use what he had to bridge a 5 point gap. That it has become 12 points and certain relegation is in part down to how he has handled the situation.

It might be another case of fading memory, but I don't remember that being his first line of defence.  We'd gone through the almost euphoric period of 5 points in 4 games through January and a perception that Wycombe away had been our nadir, only to reach 2nd February with no new signings. That was where I recall the wheels coming off spectacularly.

It was almost as if he'd run out of tricks to get them bothered after the lack of threat about being replaced had gone. It almost feels like a good old fashioned work to rule, where they're doing the bare minimum to not get sacked.
Turn up for training as per contact? Tick.
Carry out drills as per coaches instructions? Tick.
Turn up on match day? Tick.
Play where required by manager? Tick.
Put some effort in and look like I give at least half a f##k? Is that in my contract? No? Bollocks to that then.
The euphoric period ... aah, I remember that.
The issue is starker than you've described: after the potentially season-defining victory over Norwich we should have really pushed on. Instead, something happened which caused our terminally-flaky players to effectively withdraw their labour for the game against the Red Scouse. What is it that happened? - because I really feel that we could have resurrected hopes of staying up after the Norwich game.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Steve67 on March 22, 2016, 07:23:03 PM
I appreciate that we can't keep sacking Managers but neither should we give crap Managers more time than they deserve and we slip even further behind in the Championship. I think we DID try to sign players in January but couldn't because our situation was almost hopeless. Since then, whether his players or not, he has been a disaster. Moan and sulk all he wants but he is the manager and should do anything he can to get something out of them. Dreadful, get rid, but not if they plan another punt on an untried, untested.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: glasses on March 22, 2016, 07:36:01 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 22, 2016, 05:41:11 PM
Quote from: glasses on March 22, 2016, 04:32:46 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 22, 2016, 01:35:56 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on March 22, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
I'm not heartless but treated shamefully? Treated disgustingly?
I'm sorry it's just over the top sentimental Shite.
He has been an unmitigated disaster.
Incapable of any enthusiasm for the job, yeah he realised Gabby was crap, I saw that from L8 7 years ago.
Some fans fell in love with the French name and thought how beautiful this was going to be.
In reality the man has been crap, the charisma of a dead badger.
Yet another parasite raping our club, he can do one and take David Ginolas mum with him.

Well it get's my vote for idiotic post of the year so far anyway.
Without the last sentence, it's not that bad.
I dunno, the insinuation that having a foreign name was enough for some fans is pretty poor form as well.
You honestly don't think that has a bearing on some people's viewpoint? How many times have the words 'I don't want another british clogger/meat and potatoes manager, let's look abroad' and the like been uttered around these parts on the all too frequent occasions we've been without a manager?

Granted, enough people then point out it shouldn't matter where they're from so long as they do a good job, but for some, that's the thought process.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Ian. on March 22, 2016, 07:52:24 PM
Well I'm wondering if Remi is fighting his corner now a decent board of directors and a plan is being finally put in place. I hope so, given some funds I'd like still like him to be the one to build a team.

Surely if he had had enough he would have left by mutual consent or fired by now? The press seemed to think he'd be gone by now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Drummond on March 22, 2016, 07:54:14 PM
I don't see the point on sacking him now. It wouldn't achieve anything other than costing us more cash in paying him and saddle another manager with relegation.

By all means when it's mathematically impossible but seriously what is the point? Our new board will know who to keep, and by waiting, someone else may become available at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: glasses on March 22, 2016, 08:00:16 PM
My take on it, is that I'd only get rid of him now if we had someone lined up. That's on the basis that we can afford to sever the contract and not impinge too much on transfer funds in the summer. If nobody is lined up, I don't see the point binning him off until we have someone to come in. We may save ourself a few quid if he gets a few more performances out of the appalling squad in the last 8 games and has the fight in him, and the support behind him to get us back up. I'm so ambivalent about it all though to be honest.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: VillaAlways on March 22, 2016, 08:03:46 PM
Well he took training today according to this and then was due talks with Hollis

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-11082206
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: adrenachrome on March 22, 2016, 08:19:50 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on March 22, 2016, 08:03:46 PM
Well he took training today according to this and then was due talks with Hollis

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-remi-garde-11082206

Sounds like an old Westerren:

"Aah  wuz doo tokes with Haaliss".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: AV89 on March 22, 2016, 08:32:01 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on March 22, 2016, 07:31:19 AM
I'm not heartless but treated shamefully? Treated disgustingly?
I'm sorry it's just over the top sentimental Shite.
He has been an unmitigated disaster.
Incapable of any enthusiasm for the job, yeah he realised Gabby was crap, I saw that from L8 7 years ago.
Some fans fell in love with the French name and thought how beautiful this was going to be.
In reality the man has been crap, the charisma of a dead badger.
Yet another parasite raping our club, he can do one and take David Ginolas mum with him.

Are you LTA in disguise?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: andyh on March 22, 2016, 08:45:08 PM
Some want a Garde gone, some don't.
Some were defending Lambert right upto the end, some weren't.
Some wanted Timmy to have more time, some didn't.

It's just the way it is.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 22, 2016, 08:52:48 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hEyOtCCiwnY

God this makes me cringe.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on March 22, 2016, 09:03:40 PM
If he does go and Hollis decided to go with Stan Collymore's suggestion of Gordon Cowans and Brian Little, we'd be managed by Sid Little.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 09:42:22 PM
Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll. He's brought absolutely nothing to the job, just nothing. Get rid asap.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 22, 2016, 09:43:35 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 22, 2016, 08:52:48 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hEyOtCCiwnY

God this makes me cringe.

I'm not sure what your youtube will link to next, but mine covers an interview between Pat Murphy and Pearson which is possibly worse than the Ostrich one.  I would not be surprised if there are a few journalists with a vendetta against him having watched these, which will make his next job that much harder.  That compounded by the local press' attitude towards Villa and the London media's indifference could be, well a complete clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Ivo Stas on March 22, 2016, 10:17:30 PM
I voted for Remi Garde to stay purely because I believe - and you can call it "Ivo's Law" - every manager should be given two seasons (or four transfer windows) to prove themselves. After that time they ought to have a team that can truly be called their own. Then simply see if an improvement has occurred (for instance in league position) and extend/sack accordingly.

Firing managers every twenty-five games gets us nowhere. So I wouldn't sack Garde but nor would I have sacked Sherwood. Nor McLeish. Not a popular view I'm sure, but building a team takes time. I would have sacked Lambert at the end of season two (shortly after Karsa and Culverhouse left) and I think in hindsight that would have been the best time. Remember that it took Ferguson something like four years of struggle at ManUre before his first team came together. Also didn't BFR go down with Sheff Wed before bouncing back, winning a cup and eloping to the Villa.

That said I fully sympathise with those who fear Garde is not the man to bring us straight back up, current performances being so uninspiring. But "Ivo's Law" says give him more time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 22, 2016, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 09:42:22 PM
Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ez on March 22, 2016, 10:41:41 PM
I'd prefer Garde to stay as and be given a chance with some better players. I know people say he should get more out of the current team but i don't believe there is anything more to get out of them. They are dross and they've proved it over the whole season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 22, 2016, 10:42:07 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on March 22, 2016, 09:43:35 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 22, 2016, 08:52:48 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hEyOtCCiwnY

God this makes me cringe.

I'm not sure what your youtube will link to next, but mine covers an interview between Pat Murphy and Pearson which is possibly worse than the Ostrich one.  I would not be surprised if there are a few journalists with a vendetta against him having watched these, which will make his next job that much harder.  That compounded by the local press' attitude towards Villa and the London media's indifference could be, well a complete clusterfuck.

I got that one too.

Then the one where he tells a fan to 'f*** off and die'. Then the one where he says there was nothing wrong with that.

Lovely man.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 10:50:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 22, 2016, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 09:42:22 PM
Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.

I understand he's been shafted by the club and he has my sympathies there but I've not seen anything from him that suggests he's a decent manager who could do a job here. He didn't even give us 'new manager boost' which even Sherwood managed, and he lost brownie points when he lamented the players in training in public was amateurish at best.
The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 22, 2016, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 22, 2016, 10:42:07 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on March 22, 2016, 09:43:35 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 22, 2016, 08:52:48 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hEyOtCCiwnY

God this makes me cringe.

I'm not sure what your youtube will link to next, but mine covers an interview between Pat Murphy and Pearson which is possibly worse than the Ostrich one.  I would not be surprised if there are a few journalists with a vendetta against him having watched these, which will make his next job that much harder.  That compounded by the local press' attitude towards Villa and the London media's indifference could be, well a complete clusterfuck.

I got that one too.

Then the one where he tells a fan to 'f*** off and die'. Then the one where he says there was nothing wrong with that.

Lovely man.

Pearson is a vile individual.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: TB on March 22, 2016, 10:54:16 PM
Quote from: Ivo Stas on March 22, 2016, 10:17:30 PM
I voted for Remi Garde to stay purely because I believe - and you can call it "Ivo's Law" - every manager should be given two seasons (or four transfer windows) to prove themselves. After that time they ought to have a team that can truly be called their own. Then simply see if an improvement has occurred (for instance in league position) and extend/sack accordingly.

Firing managers every twenty-five games gets us nowhere. So I wouldn't sack Garde but nor would I have sacked Sherwood. Nor McLeish. Not a popular view I'm sure, but building a team takes time. I would have sacked Lambert at the end of season two (shortly after Karsa and Culverhouse left) and I think in hindsight that would have been the best time. Remember that it took Ferguson something like four years of struggle at ManUre before his first team came together. Also didn't BFR go down with Sheff Wed before bouncing back, winning a cup and eloping to the Villa.

That said I fully sympathise with those who fear Garde is not the man to bring us straight back up, current performances being so uninspiring. But "Ivo's Law" says give him more time.

In principle, I agree with Ivo's Law. But just two points:
I) I'm not sure if the club are willing (or indeed able) to fund the team rebuild so desperately required in just two seasons. He has no chance to succeed with the current lot, as already proven. I don't think that's down to him, though.
II) I definitely would have sacked Sherwood (with hindsight: the moment he'd kept us up), Ivo's Law notwithstanding. When you're basically saying in public that you really don't have a clue, but will continue to experiment, you deserve to be sacked.

Garde might not be the future. Without major investment from the club, he won't be. Sherwood? Not a chance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: peter w on March 22, 2016, 11:01:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 10:50:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 22, 2016, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 09:42:22 PM
Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.

I understand he's been shafted by the club and he has my sympathies there but I've not seen anything from him that suggests he's a decent manager who could do a job here. He didn't even give us 'new manager boost' which even Sherwood managed, and he lost brownie points when he lamented the players in training in public was amateurish at best.
The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.

But we don't know he was shafted by the club do we? This is one thing that is rolled out by people who defend him, and I qualify this by saying that I sway from one day to the next going into both keep or sack camps, is that Garde was shafted, or that the club failed to back him, without a single shred of evidence.

Garde himself said that two of our targets - one I believe he thought was going to join (the Newcastle one?) - eventually went elsewhere because of our position. I have failed to see where the club really could have been held to blame for any lack of signings.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 11:09:43 PM
This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: TB on March 22, 2016, 11:16:28 PM
I believe he's first and foremost been shafted by some of the senior players. If the board commits to a major squad clearout, all well and good. If not, Villa needs another manager, and just hope he won't be shafted as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 22, 2016, 11:21:10 PM
The goalposts moved on them supporting him in January. But then again the points gap went from 5 to 11 in the few months he was with us. Not defending what the club did but just pointing out there's two sides to the equation. My guess is if it was 5 points we'd have been more aggressive in pursuing certain targets. Garde has been seriously hindered by the circumstances at the club, and as he rightly points out the real issues predate him. But that said, he could have offered more and at times when the situation requires a fire extinguisher he added fuel.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 22, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 11:09:43 PM
This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

Oh well, if it's that simple, Tim Sherwood has a overall win ratio of 39% and Graham Taylor in his second spell 31.67%. So clearly Sherwood is a better manager.

Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 22, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
Quote from: peter w on March 22, 2016, 11:01:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 10:50:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 22, 2016, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 09:42:22 PM
Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.

I understand he's been shafted by the club and he has my sympathies there but I've not seen anything from him that suggests he's a decent manager who could do a job here. He didn't even give us 'new manager boost' which even Sherwood managed, and he lost brownie points when he lamented the players in training in public was amateurish at best.
The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.

But we don't know he was shafted by the club do we? This is one thing that is rolled out by people who defend him, and I qualify this by saying that I sway from one day to the next going into both keep or sack camps, is that Garde was shafted, or that the club failed to back him, without a single shred of evidence.

Garde himself said that two of our targets - one I believe he thought was going to join (the Newcastle one?) - eventually went elsewhere because of our position. I have failed to see where the club really could have been held to blame for any lack of signings.

I defend him but I'm with you in thinking that the club and him did what they could in January but we were just in too tough a spot.  I back him because: 1. I don't see the point in sacking him now and having a caretaker until the summer, if they have a replacement in mind and he's willing and able to join now then fair enough but otherwise it's pointless and 2. I don't want us to become a club that jumps from manager to manager after 20-30 games.  Sherwood had a summer to get the team fit, playing to his style and to fill out the squad as he wanted to.  He failed on all 3 fronts and deserved to go.  I'd prefer to see Garde get that same chance, if he wants it.  This is based on nothing more than pure hope that the man we see in interviews can back up that calm, intelligent demeanour with a team that plays calm, intelligent football, or simpler still, I like him and want him be the manager I think he can be.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: peter w on March 22, 2016, 11:30:04 PM
I think I'm firmly in the camp of whatever happens, and I have no idea which way to go, I just hope the next decision is the right one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: malckennedy on March 22, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 11:09:43 PM
This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.
All businesses are results based. Before pointing the finger of blame at any manager of any (results based) business' continued failure it really is worth considering the complete picture. This has been done on this site many times and very clearly over the recent past by various posters. Unfortunately this has no impact on the thinking of those who seek the simple option. There is no quick fix to our situation and simply quoting win ratios for someone who has managed a group of other people's incompetents for 5 months is very simple indeed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 22, 2016, 11:36:10 PM
Despite what tossers some of the squad are, i'm pretty confident I, or pretty much any of us on here, could have got 16 points from 31 games with them. Even through pretty much blind luck you'd get a few wins.

It takes a special kind of shite that has you struggling to average half a point a game, and it's actually pretty hard to manage to be that consistently shit, which is why as it stands, there's only ever been 2 sides worse than us in the history of a 38 game 3 points for a win top flight season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: TB on March 22, 2016, 11:57:48 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 22, 2016, 11:36:10 PM
Despite what tossers some of the squad are, i'm pretty confident I, or pretty much any of us on here, could have got 16 points from 31 games with them. Even through pretty much blind luck you'd get a few wins.

It takes a special kind of shite that has you struggling to average half a point a game, and it's actually pretty hard to manage to be that consistently shit, which is why as it stands, there's only ever been 2 sides worse than us in the history of a 38 game 3 points for a win top flight season.

Possibly the mindset of a major part of the senior players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: robbyfvillain on March 22, 2016, 11:59:35 PM
Even allowing for the fact that he is a nice guy, communicates well with the media, was completely stuffed by the board in January and has a very poor set of players, he should have been able to motivate some of them to play better, produce more effort etc.

But I don't see one single player who looks better than when Sherwood was here or even tries harder. Bearing in mind we are not going to buy a new squad of 26 players in the summer I cannot see how we can improve with Remi as the manager. For me he has to go and if we can identify the new manager and get him in this season then the sooner the better.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: conman on March 23, 2016, 04:10:55 AM
Quote from: robbyfvillain on March 22, 2016, 11:59:35 PM
Even allowing for the fact that he is a nice guy, communicates well with the media, was completely stuffed by the board in January and has a very poor set of players, he should have been able to motivate some of them to play better, produce more effort etc.

But I don't see one single player who looks better than when Sherwood was here or even tries harder. Bearing in mind we are not going to buy a new squad of 26 players in the summer I cannot see how we can improve with Remi as the manager. For me he has to go and if we can identify the new manager and get him in this season then the sooner the better.
true , we have gone downhill since he arrived
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mr woo on March 23, 2016, 05:15:46 AM
Absolutely.

Dim Tim was awful once his cheerleading effect had worn off. Without Benteke and Delph he was a dead man walking.


 Garde has not only failed to motivate the playing staff, he has actually managed to piss them off more, partly due to him  talking candidly in the press, which to me was a huge indication of his inexperience.  I think he's burnt his bridges now and isn't too unhappy at that I suspect.

I'm against him staying mostly because I think the rebuilding job would be better passed to someone else now.  I'd maintain he would be struggle to remove all of the dissidents in one foul swoop and therefore the poison could infect any new incumbents.

I also think his lack of knowledge in this league is a major disadvantage, though I accept it has been achieved before,  the vast majority of promotions are by the more traditional type of manager.


I think the plan should be to appoint a (not necessarily him) Steve Bruce TYPE on a two year deal. 

Yr 1 Get us promoted.  Yr 2 Get us consolidated in the Prem. Yr3 Look to another more cultured manager to push us on.

This may not be pretty in the short term but it has worked for the likes of West Ham, Southampton,  and you could argue Newcastle - they just undid all the good work by giving a job to that clown Mclaren who's very predictably taken them back to square one.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mr underhill on March 23, 2016, 07:09:57 AM
The problem is that I don't think anyone who could cut the mustard would agree to a two year deal
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Clampy on March 23, 2016, 07:16:06 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 10:50:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 22, 2016, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 09:42:22 PM
Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.
The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.

You didn't say that from day 1 though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Clampy on March 23, 2016, 07:21:49 AM
Quote from: glasses on March 22, 2016, 08:00:16 PM
My take on it, is that I'd only get rid of him now if we had someone lined up.

That's kind of my take on it as well. Whoever comes in can assess the squad and decide who he wants to keep (if any). It's a shame it hasn't worked, he's a very decent man who's handled himself with dignity despite the place falling down around him and the lack of effort from some of the players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: passport1 on March 23, 2016, 07:57:12 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 22, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 11:09:43 PM
This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

Oh well, if it's that simple, Tim Sherwood has a overall win ratio of 39% and Graham Taylor in his second spell 31.67%. So clearly Sherwood is a better manager.

Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio?

Let's deal with the present shall  we.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Mouse Potato on March 23, 2016, 08:02:02 AM
Quote from: paul_e on March 22, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
I defend him but I'm with you in thinking that the club and him did what they could in January but we were just in too tough a spot.  I back him because: 1. I don't see the point in sacking him now and having a caretaker until the summer, if they have a replacement in mind and he's willing and able to join now then fair enough but otherwise it's pointless and 2. I don't want us to become a club that jumps from manager to manager after 20-30 games.  Sherwood had a summer to get the team fit, playing to his style and to fill out the squad as he wanted to.  He failed on all 3 fronts and deserved to go.  I'd prefer to see Garde get that same chance, if he wants it.  This is based on nothing more than pure hope that the man we see in interviews can back up that calm, intelligent demeanour with a team that plays calm, intelligent football, or simpler still, I like him and want him be the manager I think he can be.

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Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: passport1 on March 23, 2016, 08:03:52 AM
Quote from: malckennedy on March 22, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 11:09:43 PM
This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.
All businesses are results based. Before pointing the finger of blame at any manager of any (results based) business' continued failure it really is worth considering the complete picture. This has been done on this site many times and very clearly over the recent past by various posters. Unfortunately this has no impact on the thinking of those who seek the simple option. There is no quick fix to our situation and simply quoting win ratios for someone who has managed a group of other people's incompetents for 5 months is very simple indeed.

I'm very well aware of the other factors . He's still an appalling manager. I think I'm watching football long enough to recognise that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Tony Erdington on March 23, 2016, 08:05:34 AM
Quote from: peter w on March 22, 2016, 11:30:04 PM
I think I'm firmly in the camp of whatever happens, and I have no idea which way to go, I just hope the next decision is the right one.

and so say all of us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 23, 2016, 08:21:52 AM
Quote from: malckennedy on March 22, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 11:09:43 PM
This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.
All businesses are results based. Before pointing the finger of blame at any manager of any (results based) business' continued failure it really is worth considering the complete picture. This has been done on this site many times and very clearly over the recent past by various posters. Unfortunately this has no impact on the thinking of those who seek the simple option. There is no quick fix to our situation and simply quoting win ratios for someone who has managed a group of other people's incompetents for 5 months is very simple indeed.
You're comparing football to other business? We're not Sainsbury's or Barclays ( if we were, I'd happily take my support/custom elsewhere). And I haven't seen any posts on here blaming Garde for the situation we're in, only posts from Villa fans who think that Garde isn't the person to help us get out of the situation we're in. 

With apologies for my grammar
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: claret and blue blood on March 23, 2016, 08:54:22 AM
Keep Remi , ditch the rotten egg players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: malckennedy on March 23, 2016, 09:37:17 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 23, 2016, 08:21:52 AM
Quote from: malckennedy on March 22, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 11:09:43 PM
This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.
All businesses are results based. Before pointing the finger of blame at any manager of any (results based) business' continued failure it really is worth considering the complete picture. This has been done on this site many times and very clearly over the recent past by various posters. Unfortunately this has no impact on the thinking of those who seek the simple option. There is no quick fix to our situation and simply quoting win ratios for someone who has managed a group of other people's incompetents for 5 months is very simple indeed.
You're comparing football to other business? We're not Sainsbury's or Barclays ( if we were, I'd happily take my support/custom elsewhere). And I haven't seen any posts on here blaming Garde for the situation we're in, only posts from Villa fans who think that Garde isn't the person to help us get out of the situation we're in. 

With apologies for my grammar
No I'm not comparing football to Sainsburys or Barclays specifically, merely pointing out that football is not unique in being results based.

The post I was replying to was clearly blaming Garde for the position we are in, using the simplest of measures as evidence to support the argument. That is, using win ratios over a 5 month period during which the environment in which he was working became gradually more difficult, without taking account of this context.

Your grammar is fine.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: godzvilla on March 23, 2016, 09:49:42 AM
Quote from: claret and blue blood on March 23, 2016, 08:54:22 AM
Keep Remi , ditch the rotten egg players.

Agreed, arrêter la pourriture ............Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 23, 2016, 09:55:11 AM
Quote from: malckennedy on March 23, 2016, 09:37:17 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 23, 2016, 08:21:52 AM
Quote from: malckennedy on March 22, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 11:09:43 PM
This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.
All businesses are results based. Before pointing the finger of blame at any manager of any (results based) business' continued failure it really is worth considering the complete picture. This has been done on this site many times and very clearly over the recent past by various posters. Unfortunately this has no impact on the thinking of those who seek the simple option. There is no quick fix to our situation and simply quoting win ratios for someone who has managed a group of other people's incompetents for 5 months is very simple indeed.
You're comparing football to other business? We're not Sainsbury's or Barclays ( if we were, I'd happily take my support/custom elsewhere). And I haven't seen any posts on here blaming Garde for the situation we're in, only posts from Villa fans who think that Garde isn't the person to help us get out of the situation we're in. 

With apologies for my grammar
No I'm not comparing football to Sainsburys or Barclays specifically, merely pointing out that football is not unique in being results based.

The post I was replying to was clearly blaming Garde for the position we are in, using the simplest of measures as evidence to support the argument. That is, using win ratios over a 5 month period during which the environment in which he was working became gradually more difficult, without taking account of this context.

Your grammar is fine.

I didn't interpret the original post as blaming Garde for the situation we're in. I read it as a response to the question of whether he should be in charge next season. The results-based business of football is unique in that clubs are judged on a week by week basis. How else are we to measure how well a football club is doing?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: old man villa fan on March 23, 2016, 10:34:20 AM
I made the point a couple of weeks ago that the manager to take us forward successfully will depend on how much money is available in the summer.

No 'name' manager will come here with little money to spend. So, forget Noyes, Rodgers etc. If you think they will come because we are the famous Aston Villa, then you are deluded.

I'm with Brian Green and others in believing that Garde is the right man to take us forward, provided he is given the backing by the Board. This means moral support and financial support. He needs to be given sufficient money to get rid of about 6 senior players. It's not all of the squad by any means. These 6 or so players are then replaced with players that do give a s***, have a few leaders and have the level of ability to build the team around. It's easy to put a maximum cost on the disposal and any income is a bonus.

There is no doubt that we are going to have to rely on a fair few young players in the next 2 seasons so the right manager is essential and that's where I think Garde ticks the box.

From those that want him out, I have heard a lot about can't motivate, sits there showing no emotion, has given up, stated the obvious in public about the players etc.

What is motivation and how do you motivate players these days? You have to have that carrot that the players will stretch for e.g. further their careers, honours, more money or loss of position or earnings. If you look at the depleted squad he has had to work with, what carrot has he been able to offer them. Nothing, I would say. You can't just shout at players that are made for life and expect them to raise their game.

Not all managers prowl the touchline like a demented 6 year old on speed. Garde is a deep thinker but you can see that he is watching and analysing the game and discussing things with his coach. Nothing suggests to me that his demeanour shows that he has given up.

The Board need to decide the strategy going forward before making any decision on the manager. There is no rush to change the manager and we should not. We have to get our strategy right so that we can come back stronger and continue to evolve into a club that once more challenges.

Sorry for the length of this post but I'm not much good with 'one liners ' like "he's crap, get rid".
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 23, 2016, 10:46:44 AM
Well the 48 hours is up....What's occuring?

Was it bollocks after all?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 23, 2016, 10:50:03 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on March 23, 2016, 10:46:44 AM
Well the 48 hours is up....What's occuring?

Was it bollocks after all?

Internet ITK bollox turns out to be bollox shock?  ;-)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on March 23, 2016, 10:51:06 AM
Quote from: Witton Warrior on March 23, 2016, 10:50:03 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on March 23, 2016, 10:46:44 AM
Well the 48 hours is up....What's occuring?

Was it bollocks after all?

Internet ITK bollox turns out to be bollox shock?  ;-)

Wasn't it in a few papers as well and the mail?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 11:09:40 AM
yeah but when it comes to football stories internet ITK bollocks appears to be one of the most regularly used sources.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mr woo on March 23, 2016, 11:21:35 AM
Quote from: Clampy on March 23, 2016, 07:21:49 AM
Quote from: glasses on March 22, 2016, 08:00:16 PM
My take on it, is that I'd only get rid of him now if we had someone lined up.

That's kind of my take on it as well. Whoever comes in can assess the squad and decide who he wants to keep (if any). It's a shame it hasn't worked, he's a very decent man who's handled himself with dignity despite the place falling down around him and the lack of effort from some of the players.


Yes, I accept the original quote too, although I would add the the next manager has not only to be lined up but also to be BETTER than the current one.


The point being every sacking in the Lerner era has been warranted and the right thing to do. The problem has been the idiots responsible for recruitment have somehow endeavoured to find a subsequently (and often obviously) worse manager every single time.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: tomd2103 on March 23, 2016, 11:28:19 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on March 23, 2016, 10:46:44 AM
Well the 48 hours is up....What's occuring?

Was it bollocks after all?

Birmingham Mail tend to be quite restrained when it comes to stories like that, so for them to go in with both feet earlier in the week must mean it was on the cards. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: cdward on March 23, 2016, 11:34:33 AM
I want Garde to stay, for a lot of the reasons already mentioned by others.
It will show strength and unity from the board, they are backing him and send the message to players who have been called out by him, that they either shape up or ship out.

I also would like to see the players he wants to bring to the club.
The players we were linked with in January would have all been improvements on the current crop.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ROBBO on March 23, 2016, 12:01:46 PM
A lot more research has to go in to the players we bring in especially temperament, we need players that will give everything for the shirt every time they get on the pitch, that is the quality that has been missing all season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 23, 2016, 12:02:55 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 23, 2016, 07:57:12 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 22, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 11:09:43 PM
This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

Oh well, if it's that simple, Tim Sherwood has a overall win ratio of 39% and Graham Taylor in his second spell 31.67%. So clearly Sherwood is a better manager.

Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio?

Let's deal with the present shall  we.

OK. Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio. Now as well as in the past. That better for you?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 23, 2016, 12:17:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 23, 2016, 07:16:06 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 10:50:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 22, 2016, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 09:42:22 PM
Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.
The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.

You didn't say that from day 1 though.

From SH on page 1 of this thread

Quote
I wanted Moyes, but sod him, I'm right behind our new manager. All is not lost and it's not like we're getting thrashed out of sight every week. Plenty of twists and turns to come and I fully expect Garde to get us out of this mess.
Onwards and upwards!

Chuckle
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: glasses on March 23, 2016, 12:21:43 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 23, 2016, 12:17:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 23, 2016, 07:16:06 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 10:50:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 22, 2016, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 09:42:22 PM
Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.
The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.

You didn't say that from day 1 though.

From SH on page 1 of this thread

Quote
I wanted Moyes, but sod him, I'm right behind our new manager. All is not lost and it's not like we're getting thrashed out of sight every week. Plenty of twists and turns to come and I fully expect Garde to get us out of this mess.
Onwards and upwards!

ChuckleS
What's so funny. He wanted Moyes, so wasn't impressed. He was happy to give Remi a chance to succeed. Why dig him out?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Tony Erdington on March 23, 2016, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on March 23, 2016, 10:34:20 AM
I made the point a couple of weeks ago that the manager to take us forward successfully will depend on how much money is available in the summer.

No 'name' manager will come here with little money to spend. So, forget Noyes, Rodgers etc. If you think they will come because we are the famous Aston Villa, then you are deluded.

I'm with Brian Green and others in believing that Garde is the right man to take us forward, provided he is given the backing by the Board. This means moral support and financial support. He needs to be given sufficient money to get rid of about 6 senior players. It's not all of the squad by any means. These 6 or so players are then replaced with players that do give a s***, have a few leaders and have the level of ability to build the team around. It's easy to put a maximum cost on the disposal and any income is a bonus.

There is no doubt that we are going to have to rely on a fair few young players in the next 2 seasons so the right manager is essential and that's where I think Garde ticks the box.

From those that want him out, I have heard a lot about can't motivate, sits there showing no emotion, has given up, stated the obvious in public about the players etc.

What is motivation and how do you motivate players these days? You have to have that carrot that the players will stretch for e.g. further their careers, honours, more money or loss of position or earnings. If you look at the depleted squad he has had to work with, what carrot has he been able to offer them. Nothing, I would say. You can't just shout at players that are made for life and expect them to raise their game.

Not all managers prowl the touchline like a demented 6 year old on speed. Garde is a deep thinker but you can see that he is watching and analysing the game and discussing things with his coach. Nothing suggests to me that his demeanour shows that he has given up.

The Board need to decide the strategy going forward before making any decision on the manager. There is no rush to change the manager and we should not. We have to get our strategy right so that we can come back stronger and continue to evolve into a club that once more challenges.

Sorry for the length of this post but I'm not much good with 'one liners ' like "he's crap, get rid".
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I like this post.

I would like the Holte end to show their support for our manager, as the revolving door must stop.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 23, 2016, 12:31:36 PM
I wonder what are the chances, should the board decide to stick with Garde, he'll manage to convince his assistants to finally join us. As important as a decent transfer kitty is, having the full set to manage and coach the team seems a priority.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: conman on March 23, 2016, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on March 23, 2016, 10:46:44 AM
Well the 48 hours is up....What's occuring?

Was it bollocks after all?
compensation negotiation
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Steve67 on March 23, 2016, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on March 23, 2016, 12:31:36 PM
I wonder what are the chances, should the board decide to stick with Garde, he'll manage to convince his assistants to finally join us. As important as a decent transfer kitty is, having the full set to manage and coach the team seems a priority.

It's a good question Rudy, we are going down, are they really going to want to leave their current jobs for a lesser league? Is this another reason for Garde to seek a mutual consent leaving present?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: peter w on March 23, 2016, 02:22:18 PM
Quote from: glasses on March 23, 2016, 12:21:43 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 23, 2016, 12:17:10 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 23, 2016, 07:16:06 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 10:50:48 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 22, 2016, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 22, 2016, 09:42:22 PM
Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.
The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.

You didn't say that from day 1 though.

From SH on page 1 of this thread

Quote
I wanted Moyes, but sod him, I'm right behind our new manager. All is not lost and it's not like we're getting thrashed out of sight every week. Plenty of twists and turns to come and I fully expect Garde to get us out of this mess.
Onwards and upwards!

ChuckleS
What's so funny. He wanted Moyes, so wasn't impressed. He was happy to give Remi a chance to succeed. Why dig him out?

Agreed. Bit puerile really. I'm sure we could all find posts where we've had a different or changing position. I don't think there were many, or are many, that don't get behind any Villa manager once appointed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 03:48:53 PM
Yeah, but it's what you come to expect from Toronto and Clampy. I never wanted Garde but was willing to get behind him and give the new manager a chance (same as I will whoever the manager will be next time as well). Turns out Garde was absolute shite with not even a flicker of hope, and the sooner he's gone the better. I'm just surprised he's got so much support in the poll considering his appalling record.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 23, 2016, 03:58:49 PM
Everyone can change their mind on something/someone, obviously. That's not what it is about though at all. It's about now stating that was your opinion from day one when it actually wasn't (or atleast stated on here anyway).

Now if he'd have said 'I don't rate him I think he's shit' he would have probably have been told to not be such a miserable bastard so I can see why he would not have stated that. Don't though then say you thought this and this if that's not what you stated as some will probably pick you up on it. I wouldn't personally have bothered to (as I don't have any history with anyone on here) but that's their prerogative if they do.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: TheTimVilla on March 23, 2016, 04:02:13 PM
I didn't remember Garde from Arsenal when he turned up. I might have seen him play, but I doubt it. In other words, I had no loyalty to him. On the other hand, it seems he was sold down the river by the Board. I would hope he negotiated to have some spending money in January (I had these flights of fantasy that we would bring in a Loic Remy type, or even Benteke on loan and promise them, say, 5million quid as a staying up bonus if they delivered the goods).

He may or may not be the right manager, but I see no value in firing him now. We are definitely doomed so it's not as if a change will do anything. A new manager would hopefully still be in charge next season and I wouldn't want him to be scarred by the existing cronies, eg Lescott, Richards, Gabby, etc, who will all bugger off to Qatar, China, MLS, or wherever.

I can't help feeling that we are going the Geordie route by sacking managers on such a regular basis.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: malckennedy on March 23, 2016, 04:02:32 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 03:48:53 PM
Yeah, but it's what you come to expect from Toronto and Clampy. I never wanted Garde but was willing to get behind him and give the new manager a chance (same as I will whoever the manager will be next time as well). Turns out Garde was absolute shite with not even a flicker of hope, and the sooner he's gone the better. I'm just surprised he's got so much support in the poll considering his appalling record.
If the manager at the start of next season turns out to still be Garde will you get behind him and give him a proper chance this time?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on March 23, 2016, 03:58:49 PM
Everyone can change their mind on something/someone, obviously. That's not what it is about though at all. It's about now stating that was your opinion from day one when it actually wasn't (or atleast stated on here anyway).

Now if he'd have said 'I don't rate him I think he's shit' he would have probably have been told to not be such a miserable bastard so I can see why he would not have stated that. Don't though then say you thought this and this if that's not what you stated as some will probably pick you up on it. I wouldn't personally have bothered to (as I don't have any history with anyone on here) but that's their prerogative if they do.

I think you missed my point. I never wanted him at the club in the first place but he got the job so id support him.
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Post by: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 04:08:54 PM
Quote from: malckennedy on March 23, 2016, 04:02:32 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 03:48:53 PM
Yeah, but it's what you come to expect from Toronto and Clampy. I never wanted Garde but was willing to get behind him and give the new manager a chance (same as I will whoever the manager will be next time as well). Turns out Garde was absolute shite with not even a flicker of hope, and the sooner he's gone the better. I'm just surprised he's got so much support in the poll considering his appalling record.
If the manager at the start of next season turns out to still be Garde will you get behind him and give him a proper chance this time?

Of course, just like id support whoever was our manager. If it turns out he looked like he was out of his depth though I'd say so.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: glasses on March 23, 2016, 04:12:41 PM
Quote from: TheTimVilla on March 23, 2016, 04:02:13 PM
I didn't remember Garde from Arsenal when he turned up. I might have seen him play, but I doubt it. In other words, I had no loyalty to him. On the other hand, it seems he was sold down the river by the Board. I would hope he negotiated to have some spending money in January (I had these flights of fantasy that we would bring in a Loic Remy type, or even Benteke on loan and promise them, say, 5million quid as a staying up bonus if they delivered the goods).

He may or may not be the right manager, but I see no value in firing him now. We are definitely doomed so it's not as if a change will do anything. A new manager would hopefully still be in charge next season and I wouldn't want him to be scarred by the existing cronies, eg Lescott, Richards, Gabby, etc, who will all bugger off to Qatar, China, MLS, or wherever.

I can't help feeling that we are going the Geordie route by sacking managers on such a regular basis.
I feel pretty much the same, but I'd just add that perhaps bringing players in would have been made significantly easier had our results not been so dreadful in December. Realistically, we were pretty much down before the window even opened. Who'd want to join in those circumstances? Garde has to shoulder some of that responsibility.

I'd be inclined to try and save ourselves the couple of £m severance on another sacked manager if he has the desire in him to get us back up next year, and do as you say above with regards to wielding the axe on the squad. If he is sacked, you'd be hard pushed to say it isn't warranted based on the results delivered though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 04:30:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 04:08:54 PM
Quote from: malckennedy on March 23, 2016, 04:02:32 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 03:48:53 PM
Yeah, but it's what you come to expect from Toronto and Clampy. I never wanted Garde but was willing to get behind him and give the new manager a chance (same as I will whoever the manager will be next time as well). Turns out Garde was absolute shite with not even a flicker of hope, and the sooner he's gone the better. I'm just surprised he's got so much support in the poll considering his appalling record.
If the manager at the start of next season turns out to still be Garde will you get behind him and give him a proper chance this time?

Of course, just like id support whoever was our manager. If it turns out he looked like he was out of his depth though I'd say so.

but surely "not impressed from day one" isn't giving him a proper chance and isn't waiting to see if he looks out of his depth.  So either you've added that comment (which prompted the responses from TV and clampy) to try to score internet points or you're lying now when you say you'd give him a proper chance because those 2 statements can't both be true.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 04:40:24 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 04:30:48 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 04:08:54 PM
Quote from: malckennedy on March 23, 2016, 04:02:32 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 03:48:53 PM
Yeah, but it's what you come to expect from Toronto and Clampy. I never wanted Garde but was willing to get behind him and give the new manager a chance (same as I will whoever the manager will be next time as well). Turns out Garde was absolute shite with not even a flicker of hope, and the sooner he's gone the better. I'm just surprised he's got so much support in the poll considering his appalling record.
If the manager at the start of next season turns out to still be Garde will you get behind him and give him a proper chance this time?

Of course, just like id support whoever was our manager. If it turns out he looked like he was out of his depth though I'd say so.

but surely "not impressed from day one" isn't giving him a proper chance and isn't waiting to see if he looks out of his depth.  So either you've added that comment (which prompted the responses from TV and clampy) to try to score internet points or you're lying now when you say you'd give him a proper chance because those 2 statements can't both be true.

It is what it is. I didn't want him at the time, but he got the job so I'd support him. He never impressed me though. What's so controversial about saying that?
If ypu want to dissect my posts looking for ammo that's up to you.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 04:54:40 PM
I haven't dissected any posts, I've picked 2 quotes from the last day or 2.

What I'm trying to say is that if you were honestly never impressed then you never gave him a chance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 04:56:23 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 04:54:40 PM
I haven't dissected any posts, I've picked 2 quotes from the last day or 2.

What I'm trying to say is that if you were honestly never impressed then you never gave him a chance.

What did I miss from Garde's Aston Villa team then?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: villa for life on March 23, 2016, 04:59:29 PM
Yes, the argument about him having nobody to play is a cop out. Certain players can really respond to certain managers. Look at Benteke. Before Sherwood arrived, he was having an awful season, and his value was probably back down to what we paid for him. All of a sudden, Sherwood gets him playing again, we don't get relegated, and we get 32.5 mill in the bank.  He's back to being awful again under Klopp. Who knows, but another manager might have got Ayew or Grealish smashing them in. Neither are bad players. Managers are much more important than players for the success of a club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 05:11:26 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 04:56:23 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 04:54:40 PM
I haven't dissected any posts, I've picked 2 quotes from the last day or 2.

What I'm trying to say is that if you were honestly never impressed then you never gave him a chance.

What did I miss from Garde's Aston Villa team then?

I don't know what you missed from his team but you've just completely missed the point so that's something.

If you were unimpressed from the start then nothing that has happened since (i.e his entire time in charge of the club) has changed your opinion of him (it's simply reinforced it) and therefore you can never have given him the chance that you say you did, or you did and have now decided that you were wrong.  "I think you're going to be shit but I'll give you the opportunity to prove me wrong" isn't giving someone a chance it's accepting that your opinion isn't going to make a bit of difference and getting on with it.  Which is what I think you actually did so just admit, no one will think less of you for it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: glasses on March 23, 2016, 05:17:31 PM
But you're not dissecting his posts, paul_e?

Jesus
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: django on March 23, 2016, 05:17:40 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 04:54:40 PM
I haven't dissected any posts, I've picked 2 quotes from the last day or 2.

What I'm trying to say is that if you were honestly never impressed then you never gave him a chance.

I don't know if that necessarily follows. I imagine if we appointed Allardyce or Pearson to replace Garde a lot of his fans would express reservations but then get behind the manager even if they didn't agree with the appointment, but they'd expect the manager to impress them by earning it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 05:29:07 PM
Quote from: django on March 23, 2016, 05:17:40 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 04:54:40 PM
I haven't dissected any posts, I've picked 2 quotes from the last day or 2.

What I'm trying to say is that if you were honestly never impressed then you never gave him a chance.

I don't know if that necessarily follows. I imagine if we appointed Allardyce or Pearson to replace Garde a lot of his fans would express reservations but then get behind the manager even if they didn't agree with the appointment, but they'd expect the manager to impress them by earning it.

Precisely. I didn't want him but when we appoint a new manager you didn't want you at least give him a chance and get behind him. Sadly Garde never delivered a thing, not even a short lived 'new manager boost'.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 05:33:41 PM
Quote from: glasses on March 23, 2016, 05:17:31 PM
But you're not dissecting his posts, paul_e?

Jesus

No I'm not, Dissecting them would suggest searching back through posts looking for things, I'm commenting on current posts that I consider to be contradictions.

Quote from: django on March 23, 2016, 05:17:40 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 04:54:40 PM
I haven't dissected any posts, I've picked 2 quotes from the last day or 2.

What I'm trying to say is that if you were honestly never impressed then you never gave him a chance.

I don't know if that necessarily follows. I imagine if we appointed Allardyce or Pearson to replace Garde a lot of his fans would express reservations but then get behind the manager even if they didn't agree with the appointment, but they'd expect the manager to impress them by earning it.

I followed this up, expecting someone to be shit and being surprised if they're not isn't the same as giving them a chance.  In that regard I'll freely admit to never giving McLeish a chance because he turned us into exactly what I expected.  That's my point it's being dishonest to say you were never impressed by someone and saying you gave them a chance, just say you never saw anything to make you change your mind.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 05:35:33 PM
Good god talk about splitting hairs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 05:45:30 PM
Be that as it may, you were trying to take the moral high ground after TV and Clampy called you out and I find that an odd thing to do when you're being, at best, misleading in your comments.  I'm not however supporting dredging up old posts because I agree that opinions change and people shouldn't be called out if that's the case, they should just be honest.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: gpbarr on March 23, 2016, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: villa for life on March 23, 2016, 04:59:29 PM
Yes, the argument about him having nobody to play is a cop out. Certain players can really respond to certain managers. Look at Benteke. Before Sherwood arrived, he was having an awful season, and his value was probably back down to what we paid for him. All of a sudden, Sherwood gets him playing again, we don't get relegated, and we get 32.5 mill in the bank.  He's back to being awful again under Klopp. Who knows, but another manager might have got Ayew or Grealish smashing them in. Neither are bad players. Managers are much more important than players for the success of a club.

But you yourself admit .."who knows". So it follows we keep churning through managers until one of them turns an inherently weak, poor, and priviledged squad into something else? Buy you'll never know until you know. Perfect logic.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 23, 2016, 05:55:26 PM
There was a time I liked David O' Leary for example.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 06:03:10 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 23, 2016, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: villa for life on March 23, 2016, 04:59:29 PM
Yes, the argument about him having nobody to play is a cop out. Certain players can really respond to certain managers. Look at Benteke. Before Sherwood arrived, he was having an awful season, and his value was probably back down to what we paid for him. All of a sudden, Sherwood gets him playing again, we don't get relegated, and we get 32.5 mill in the bank.  He's back to being awful again under Klopp. Who knows, but another manager might have got Ayew or Grealish smashing them in. Neither are bad players. Managers are much more important than players for the success of a club.

But you yourself admit .."who knows". So it follows we keep churning through managers until one of them turns an inherently weak, poor, and priviledged squad into something else? Buy you'll never know until you know. Perfect logic.

The alternative is to find a manager who fits your plan and give them a decent amount of time and support to build the core of the squad as they want and then see where you are.  If they're not up to scratch then you stick with the same plan but find a new manager and see if he can get a little more from the players and add a few of his own to fill gaps and you repeat.  If you haven't got the plan in place then you bounce around between style and expectations and become the clusterfuck we've all witnessed over the last few years.  If fixing it means 2-3 seasons of more churn to reform the squad then so be it but I want it all to be done with a considered end goal not just 'who could be good to get a few more goals out of the current players'.  That short term approach needs to be one of the things that the review by Hollis picks up and resolves to change.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Steve R on March 23, 2016, 06:12:15 PM
So what happens when we get rid of Garde and the next hapless soul fails to flog a few results out of the dead horse that is our first team squad? Lets face it, it's the squad that is the real problem, such a scenario would be the way to bet.

Getting rid of Garde is surely a case  of getting rid of the baby and keeping the bathwater. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: mr underhill on March 23, 2016, 06:17:57 PM
I'm now convinced  he's staying
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: gpbarr on March 23, 2016, 06:58:26 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 06:03:10 PM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 23, 2016, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: villa for life on March 23, 2016, 04:59:29 PM
Yes, the argument about him having nobody to play is a cop out. Certain players can really respond to certain managers. Look at Benteke. Before Sherwood arrived, he was having an awful season, and his value was probably back down to what we paid for him. All of a sudden, Sherwood gets him playing again, we don't get relegated, and we get 32.5 mill in the bank.  He's back to being awful again under Klopp. Who knows, but another manager might have got Ayew or Grealish smashing them in. Neither are bad players. Managers are much more important than players for the success of a club.

But you yourself admit .."who knows". So it follows we keep churning through managers until one of them turns an inherently weak, poor, and priviledged squad into something else? Buy you'll never know until you know. Perfect logic.

The alternative is to find a manager who fits your plan and give them a decent amount of time and support to build the core of the squad as they want and then see where you are.  If they're not up to scratch then you stick with the same plan but find a new manager and see if he can get a little more from the players and add a few of his own to fill gaps and you repeat.  If you haven't got the plan in place then you bounce around between style and expectations and become the clusterfuck we've all witnessed over the last few years.  If fixing it means 2-3 seasons of more churn to reform the squad then so be it but I want it all to be done with a considered end goal not just 'who could be good to get a few more goals out of the current players'.  That short term approach needs to be one of the things that the review by Hollis picks up and resolves to change.

Could not have said it better. We are in this terrible situation IMO not because we hired the wrong managers, but because there was no plan, no vision, no long term commitment. It was all short term, reaction driven, by people in the boardroom totally unable to see what was transpiring.

I hope to god that this new board (and I'm enthused by what I have seen so far) realize what we need is a long term plan, and then a stable environment in which to allow the plan to materialize. My main argument against sacking Garde isn't that he is the right manager to take us forward, its that we just don't know because the club was in free fall by the time he rocked up.  And not knowing puts us in the same situation as hiring yet another new man for the job - we wont know if he is the right guy until we know. So for the love of god, lets hope this board realize that creating a sustainable and successful soccer club (assuming we are not going to be bought by a multi billionaire) needs a system in which the component parts work together, towards a single goal, to execute.

I want Garde to stay but if he goes, so be it. I just want to see some stability, a vision, a plan, and then give those people time to deliver it without castigating them as "shite" before they have even had a season to try to reverse what has been a steady decline over many years now.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 07:05:14 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 05:45:30 PM
Be that as it may, you were trying to take the moral high ground after TV and Clampy called you out and I find that an odd thing to do when you're being, at best, misleading in your comments.  I'm not however supporting dredging up old posts because I agree that opinions change and people shouldn't be called out if that's the case, they should just be honest.

They called me out on nothing, they were just trying to shit stir as usual.
My thoughts on Garde were crystal clear - I didn't want him but I backed him regardless because let's face it he was the manager of the club I support. Sadly though he didn't impress and now I think he's time he walked.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Dave on March 23, 2016, 07:13:45 PM
How about we just call this a score draw and we stop the tedious "he said/she said" silliness?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: peter w on March 23, 2016, 07:36:05 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on March 23, 2016, 07:05:14 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 05:45:30 PM
Be that as it may, you were trying to take the moral high ground after TV and Clampy called you out and I find that an odd thing to do when you're being, at best, misleading in your comments.  I'm not however supporting dredging up old posts because I agree that opinions change and people shouldn't be called out if that's the case, they should just be honest.

They called me out on nothing, they were just trying to shit stir as usual.
My thoughts on Garde were crystal clear - I didn't want him but I backed him regardless because let's face it he was the manager of the club I support. Sadly though he didn't impress and now I think he's time he walked.

Blimey this is all a bit pointless, eh? I think there are not many worse statements than "calling so and so out" because of what they said a while ago. It comes across as a bit snithcy and a bit narky. In the end does it really matter? For soem reason i always remember a PeterWIthe'sShin comment during a game under Lambert's tenure and (to paraphrase) "I love this Aston Villa team". it resonates because I could use that quote in isolation and make him look totally mad. As it was he was talking about Luna breaking and scoring the 3rd at Arsenal.

Why the need to try and trip people up and say nur-nur-nur-nurrrr-nur?
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Post by: peter w on March 23, 2016, 07:36:39 PM
oops...posted before reading Dave's comment.
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Post by: Legion on March 23, 2016, 07:36:57 PM
Can we draw a line underneath this, please?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: peter w on March 23, 2016, 07:40:24 PM
Yeah, sorry Lee. i responded before reading Dave's thing.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Legion on March 23, 2016, 07:41:32 PM
Quote from: peter w on March 23, 2016, 07:40:24 PM
Yeah, sorry Lee. i responded before reading Dave's thing.

My post was in support of Dave's original comment and not aimed at your latest responses.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 23, 2016, 07:45:54 PM
So it looks like he is staying? I confess to being a bit confused, in his last interview he looked like a man who wouldn't be around at the club the week after but since then things seem to have changed a bit?

I could accept him staying I suppose but I would have to hold my nose over his results so far and assume if he is backed over the summer he would do better.

That would be a leap of faith but maybe less of a risk than some of the sad arse names the press have linked us with.

Unless Bielsa is interested, in which case "Garde out!" :)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: peter w on March 23, 2016, 07:54:04 PM
i think the worry is if he goes do we go down the British manager or overseas manager route. An overseas manager is probably a bigger risk, especially being in the Championship, whereas a British manager will be seen as making us a redoubtable opponent and could get us promoted but won't advance us.
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Post by: Ian. on March 23, 2016, 07:55:09 PM
That's the last time I take PWS seriously! 😉
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Post by: sickbeggar on March 23, 2016, 08:26:15 PM
There's just no point in getting rid till May imo. Any new manager won't turn us around now so your just paying 2 managers salaries before you need to. Hopefully they're doing a detailed search of candidates and will put him out of his misery in the summer once they have agreed on someone
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Post by: Holte L2 on March 23, 2016, 08:32:37 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 23, 2016, 08:26:15 PM
There's just no point in getting rid till May imo. Any new manager won't turn us around now so your just paying 2 managers salaries before you need to. Hopefully they're doing a detailed search of candidates and will put him out of his misery in the summer once they have agreed on someone

I sort of see your point.

Though I'd like us to have a manager in place ASAP so we can start the clear out on the squad.

I don't want us wasting a transfer window by recruiting a new manager.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: sickbeggar on March 23, 2016, 08:37:59 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on March 23, 2016, 08:32:37 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 23, 2016, 08:26:15 PM
There's just no point in getting rid till May imo. Any new manager won't turn us around now so your just paying 2 managers salaries before you need to. Hopefully they're doing a detailed search of candidates and will put him out of his misery in the summer once they have agreed on someone

I sort of see your point.

Though I'd like us to have a manager in place ASAP so we can start the clear out on the squad.

I don't want us wasting a transfer window by recruiting a new manager.

Well i'm hoping they're looking further than just current unemployed managers and a lot of the employed types will not be making any sort of decisions till the season is over,
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 23, 2016, 08:48:05 PM
I said it then and i'll say it now, I really enjoyed a lot about us under Lambert the first year or so. How can you not love defending a one goal lead and from their corner you get a 1 on 1 and it's your defender bombing forward to score. Much like the 4 on 1 at Stoke in the last minute when leading 2-1. No real thoughts of holding on, just pile forward.
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Post by: DB on March 23, 2016, 08:53:56 PM
Quote from: peter w on March 23, 2016, 07:54:04 PM
i think the worry is if he goes do we go down the British manager or overseas manager route. An overseas manager is probably a bigger risk, especially being in the Championship, whereas a British manager will be seen as making us a redoubtable opponent and could get us promoted but won't advance us.

While I don't agree an overseas manager is a bigger risk - just needs the right manager, I get what you are saying regarding a solid British type. They could get us up only to come a cropper in the top flight - there are a few managers who are good in the Ch-ship but can't do it in the Prem. That's said, priority has to be to get us up - next appointment is the biggest since GT 30 years ago.
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Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 23, 2016, 08:54:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 23, 2016, 08:48:05 PM
I said it then and i'll say it now, I really enjoyed a lot about us under Lambert the first year or so. How can you not love defending a one goal lead and from their corner you get a 1 on 1 and it's your defender bombing forward to score. Much like the 4 on 1 at Stoke in the last minute when leading 2-1. No real thoughts of holding on, just pile forward.

I really enjoyed that lambert. He really did start out as a swashbuckling manager then just faded and faded over time into the usual mush. Now he is just another ex manager who loves in the past. Strange.
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Post by: boozey182 on March 23, 2016, 08:57:25 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 23, 2016, 08:48:05 PM
I said it then and i'll say it now, I really enjoyed a lot about us under Lambert the first year or so. How can you not love defending a one goal lead and from their corner you get a 1 on 1 and it's your defender bombing forward to score. Much like the 4 on 1 at Stoke in the last minute when leading 2-1. No real thoughts of holding on, just pile forward.

I really thought that summer, particularly after Christian signed a new contract, was going to be the springboard for something special. I do wonder, if we wouldn't have been cheated away at Chelsea in the first week, Lambert might not have completely changed approach and we might have built on that. As it was, he seemed to lose all faith in the attacking, free flowing tactic and we went more negative and backwards, in every respect. Just another false dawn...
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Post by: DaveD on March 23, 2016, 09:01:03 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on March 23, 2016, 08:54:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 23, 2016, 08:48:05 PM
I said it then and i'll say it now, I really enjoyed a lot about us under Lambert the first year or so. How can you not love defending a one goal lead and from their corner you get a 1 on 1 and it's your defender bombing forward to score. Much like the 4 on 1 at Stoke in the last minute when leading 2-1. No real thoughts of holding on, just pile forward.

I really enjoyed that lambert. He really did start out as a swashbuckling manager then just faded and faded over time into the usual mush. Now he is just another ex manager who loves in the past. Strange.

A bad set up and constantly broken promises is a soul destroying and confidence crushing environment to have to come into every day. You start to second guess yourself on everything. I think our last four managers have suffered from it. Doesn't give them a pass, that's part of the job, but we've really not made it easy.
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Post by: lovejoy on March 23, 2016, 09:06:01 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 22, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 11:09:43 PM
This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

Oh well, if it's that simple, Tim Sherwood has a overall win ratio of 39% and Graham Taylor in his second spell 31.67%. So clearly Sherwood is a better manager.

Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio?

I don't believe Sherwood had a 39% win ratio, I call false.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 23, 2016, 09:07:11 PM
I have been a supporter of Garde because of the mess he walked into,the cuntiest bunch ala walnuts and the total lack of backing.
The difficultiy now he has probably become part of the problem.
I do not blame him in any way and have more respect for him any of the current crop of players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 23, 2016, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on March 23, 2016, 09:06:01 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 22, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 11:09:43 PM
This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

Oh well, if it's that simple, Tim Sherwood has a overall win ratio of 39% and Graham Taylor in his second spell 31.67%. So clearly Sherwood is a better manager.

Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio?

I don't believe Sherwood had a 39% win ratio, I call false.

Probably includes cup wins.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: sickbeggar on March 23, 2016, 09:14:12 PM
mebbe overall includes spurs. To be fair Sherwood only got sacked from them for not being foreign enough
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 23, 2016, 09:14:36 PM
Just checked and it does include 4 cup wins. In the league he won 6 of 23.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: sickbeggar on March 23, 2016, 09:20:17 PM
Still hammering garde unfortunately
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 23, 2016, 10:18:14 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on March 23, 2016, 09:06:01 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 22, 2016, 11:23:53 PM
Quote from: passport1 on March 22, 2016, 11:09:43 PM
This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

Oh well, if it's that simple, Tim Sherwood has a overall win ratio of 39% and Graham Taylor in his second spell 31.67%. So clearly Sherwood is a better manager.

Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio?

I don't believe Sherwood had a 39% win ratio, I call false.

Don't know, took it from Wikipedia. 

The point however is still valid. That the wider picture affects results and needs to be looked at alongside win ratios.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 23, 2016, 10:20:40 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 23, 2016, 09:14:36 PM
Just checked and it does include 4 cup wins. In the league he won 6 of 23.

5 of those wins with a squad which had Benteke, Delph, Cleverly, Vlaar available.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 10:21:09 PM
but 4 points in 10 games this season after making a hell of a lot of new signings to the squad.  Garde has 12 points in 21, still very poor but better than Sherwood with this squad of players and having not been able to add anything to it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 23, 2016, 10:24:05 PM
Quote from: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 10:21:09 PM
but 4 points in 10 games this season after making a hell of a lot of new signings to the squad.  Garde has 12 points in 21, still very poor but better than Sherwood with this squad of players and having not been able to add anything to it.

That's exactly my point. Passport's 'only win ratios count' rule discounts anything having an effect on the results. Which is what my Sherwood v Taylor stats comparison was meant to show. Stats alone don't always tell the whole story (I was tempted to use narrative but decided against...!)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 23, 2016, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: boozey182 on March 23, 2016, 08:57:25 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 23, 2016, 08:48:05 PM
I said it then and i'll say it now, I really enjoyed a lot about us under Lambert the first year or so. How can you not love defending a one goal lead and from their corner you get a 1 on 1 and it's your defender bombing forward to score. Much like the 4 on 1 at Stoke in the last minute when leading 2-1. No real thoughts of holding on, just pile forward.

I really thought that summer, particularly after Christian signed a new contract, was going to be the springboard for something special. I do wonder, if we wouldn't have been cheated away at Chelsea in the first week, Lambert might not have completely changed approach and we might have built on that. As it was, he seemed to lose all faith in the attacking, free flowing tactic and we went more negative and backwards, in every respect. Just another false dawn...
That summer was probably the last point of what felt like genuine well founded optimism for me.

Benteke signing an extension on the back of a really promising last 3rd of the season, tempered a little by the lack of experience in the summer signings, but then built on with the win at Arsenal and battering Chelsea at Stamford Bridge only to be robbed by Ivanovic.

I was optimistic after last summer that we'd resolved our midfield issues with the additions of Guaye and Veretout, resigned to having to give Richards a chance and perplexed that Gestede was apparently plans B, C, D and E. Oh and concerned that Sherwood wouldn't last till Christmas, as lots of us had been when he joined.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Louzie0 on March 24, 2016, 12:31:31 AM
He's not gone yet, then.
Good for Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Steve67 on March 24, 2016, 04:27:22 AM
The poll is getting closer in terms of the result. I wonder where it would be if those voting for 'not sure' went for yay or nay.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 24, 2016, 10:35:59 AM
Reluctantly voted no, based mainly on the recent team selections starting to look like Sherwood and McBingo himself.

Nothing to do with not playing the youngsters, I actually think on balance that's probably the right decision.

It's the not backing his own judgment over a sort of settled best 11 and flailing around like a beached fish on team selections that's convinced me to say goodbye.

He might well do very well in another setting, but as much as we might wish to see 20 odd of the current squad shown the door, somewhere between 15 and 20 of them will still be here come the start of August. That will be around 60-80% of next season's squad who he'll potentially have some credibility issues with and it's a big ask to turn that around quickly enough for what we're looking to achieve.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 24, 2016, 11:02:57 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on March 24, 2016, 10:35:59 AM
He might well do very well in another setting, but as much as we might wish to see 20 odd of the current squad shown the door, somewhere between 15 and 20 of them will still be here come the start of August. That will be around 60-80% of next season's squad who he'll potentially have some credibility issues with and it's a big ask to turn that around quickly enough for what we're looking to achieve.

You're probably right about that, but it would still be hugely depressing. Relegation should be the perfect opportunity for an extensive clear-out. If you're sitting about 15th in the Premier League and your shit, unwanted players are on nice fat contracts, they're not going to be motivated to leave. That's the main problem - they won't accept the lower wages offered by potential suitor clubs.

I don't know which of our players have relegation clauses, but the prospect of playing in an unfashionable division for significantly reduced wages should hopefully inspire more than a few of them to seek pastures new.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 24, 2016, 11:11:42 AM
The other aspect of a huge clear out is how many new players can you realistically expect to integrate to form an essentially new team from scratch?

The most pertinent argument for not having spent more last summer was that we'd already turned over was it 11 out and 10 in? I think in hindsight that's also contributed to our problems. A manager that really didn't know what he was doing trying to integrate so many new players at once was always going to be slim odds. (Lack of football experience on the board allowing that situation to happen?)
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 24, 2016, 01:15:43 PM
Whichever way it goes the decision needs to be made asap.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Boz on March 24, 2016, 04:01:30 PM
Quote from: SamTheMouse on March 24, 2016, 11:02:57 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on March 24, 2016, 10:35:59 AM
He might well do very well in another setting, but as much as we might wish to see 20 odd of the current squad shown the door, somewhere between 15 and 20 of them will still be here come the start of August. That will be around 60-80% of next season's squad who he'll potentially have some credibility issues with and it's a big ask to turn that around quickly enough for what we're looking to achieve.

You're probably right about that, but it would still be hugely depressing. Relegation should be the perfect opportunity for an extensive clear-out. If you're sitting about 15th in the Premier League and your shit, unwanted players are on nice fat contracts, they're not going to be motivated to leave. That's the main problem - they won't accept the lower wages offered by potential suitor clubs.

I don't know which of our players have relegation clauses, but the prospect of playing in an unfashionable division for significantly reduced wages should hopefully inspire more than a few of them to seek pastures new.

But who would want them based on the form they've shown for Villa, and pay them anything like their current wages?

This is the biggest problem for whoever the manager is next season, having these dead legs still poisoning the dressing room.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: old man villa fan on March 26, 2016, 12:23:56 PM
Until it's established which of the overpaid senior players we can get rid of, there's no point in discussing who will be the best manager.

We have some of the worst tactical unaware players and players lacking in ethusiasm that I have seen as a group in all my time watching Villa. Too many players living off their reputations of years gone by.

If we can get rid of the core of these players and bring in Garde's replacements mixed with promoted U21 players, I believe Garde can bring this club back with the right style and with a tactically astute set of players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 26, 2016, 12:33:50 PM
Just get rid of Guzan Bacuna Richards Lescott Agbonlahor and the dressing room will be very different
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: clash city rocker on March 26, 2016, 12:40:49 PM
Surely we could used the trades description act to get rid of guzan.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: gpbarr on March 26, 2016, 05:56:39 PM
if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 28, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 26, 2016, 05:56:39 PM
if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 
Isn't it the manager's job to read the riot act and to drop players who don't put the effort in?  Garde can't do anything about the off field shambles he walked into, but I'd expect any manager to play the alpha male and start banging heads together. I can't see any evidence that he's done that which is why I want him to go. Seems to me that he's lost the dressing room, assuming he ever found it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: MarkM on March 28, 2016, 11:45:24 AM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 28, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 26, 2016, 05:56:39 PM
if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 
Isn't it the manager's job to read the riot act and to drop players who don't put the effort in?  Garde can't do anything about the off field shambles he walked into, but I'd expect any manager to play the alpha male and start banging heads together. I can't see any evidence that he's done that which is why I want him to go. Seems to me that he's lost the dressing room, assuming he ever found it.

Agree with this
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: malckennedy on March 28, 2016, 12:06:16 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 28, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 26, 2016, 05:56:39 PM
if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 
Isn't it the manager's job to read the riot act and to drop players who don't put the effort in?  Garde can't do anything about the off field shambles he walked into, but I'd expect any manager to play the alpha male and start banging heads together. I can't see any evidence that he's done that which is why I want him to go. Seems to me that he's lost the dressing room, assuming he ever found it.
Yet the 5 players mentioned just above (Guzan, Bacuna, Richards, Lescott and Agbonlahor) have all been dropped and/or "read the Riot Act" to at some stage by Garde. Unfortunately he doesn't have any alternative players to pick instead, which is why it would have been nice if the promises re player investment in January had been kept.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 28, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
Quote from: malckennedy on March 28, 2016, 12:06:16 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 28, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 26, 2016, 05:56:39 PM
if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 
Isn't it the manager's job to read the riot act and to drop players who don't put the effort in?  Garde can't do anything about the off field shambles he walked into, but I'd expect any manager to play the alpha male and start banging heads together. I can't see any evidence that he's done that which is why I want him to go. Seems to me that he's lost the dressing room, assuming he ever found it.
Yet the 5 players mentioned just above (Guzan, Bacuna, Richards, Lescott and Agbonlahor) have all been dropped and/or "read the Riot Act" to at some stage by Garde. Unfortunately he doesn't have any alternative players to pick instead, which is why it would have been nice if the promises re player investment in January had been kept.

They've been dropped, not sure anybody knows whether they were read the riot act or not though. Clearly hasn't worked though. Who is responsible when senior players can't be motivated, cajoled, humiliated into playing to their potential?  And who knows whether his failings with the current squad wouldn't extend to any players he might sign for Villa?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Clampy on March 28, 2016, 12:15:42 PM
You'd think players wouldn't need motivating to try and get their team out of trouble.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on March 28, 2016, 12:41:17 PM
It's not "their team" though Clampy. It's just somewhere to mark time until some other mug comes along to buy them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 28, 2016, 12:41:45 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 28, 2016, 12:15:42 PM
You'd think players wouldn't need motivating to try and get their team out of trouble.

That essentially is our problem. That we have a combination of players who have strong characters but with no professional pride leading astray others who are mentally weak. And that can enough in an environment like a football club to smash and bury talent. I don't agree that we don't have some good players, but their ability to perform to a high standard has been all but consumed by the negativity at the club, not just in the dressing room but all round the place. Hollis has to root out the various issues at board room level all the way down to fix the problem permanently. It will take more than a lick of paint as he is having to deal with structural issues that aren't quick to resolve.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 28, 2016, 12:43:27 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on March 28, 2016, 12:41:17 PM
It's not "their team" though Clampy. It's just somewhere to mark time until some other mug comes along to buy them.

It should be their team while under contract. Winning teams embody togetherness and take ownership of their environment. Many of these players only see it as a place to get paid.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 28, 2016, 01:05:28 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 28, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
Quote from: malckennedy on March 28, 2016, 12:06:16 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 28, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 26, 2016, 05:56:39 PM
if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 
Isn't it the manager's job to read the riot act and to drop players who don't put the effort in?  Garde can't do anything about the off field shambles he walked into, but I'd expect any manager to play the alpha male and start banging heads together. I can't see any evidence that he's done that which is why I want him to go. Seems to me that he's lost the dressing room, assuming he ever found it.
Yet the 5 players mentioned just above (Guzan, Bacuna, Richards, Lescott and Agbonlahor) have all been dropped and/or "read the Riot Act" to at some stage by Garde. Unfortunately he doesn't have any alternative players to pick instead, which is why it would have been nice if the promises re player investment in January had been kept.

They've been dropped, not sure anybody knows whether they were read the riot act or not though. Clearly hasn't worked though. Who is responsible when senior players can't be motivated, cajoled, humiliated into playing to their potential?  And who knows whether his failings with the current squad wouldn't extend to any players he might sign for Villa?

I'm pretty sure he's said in interviews that he has bollocked players but also inferred that they don't care.  That suggests he is either not up to it, or the clique of 'don't give a shits' is so big and influential that he has no leverage over them.  The fact that people have been dropped but have to return to the team suggests that the later is the case for me. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 28, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
More than any other season in living memory there seems to have been a perfect storm of dissent, splits, a lack of care, Ill discipline and complete apathy for our situation.

Grealish after Everton would never have happened under Ferguson at Manure.

The whole ridiculous Richards Bad Santa video was repellant with no French players included.

Bacuna and Co laughing getting on the coach at Wycombe.  Couldn't give two shits.

Gabby and his cnutish I showed you celebrations after his goal against Norwich despite still having more cautions and reds than goals in the last five years.

Guzan and Lescott at Wycombe.

Lescotts 'accidental' tweet.

Gabbys appearances at foreign nightclubs - adding to his general perceived couldn't give a fcuk attitude.

Anyone notice how many times gabbys name appears?  More than anyone I want him bombed out in the summer and to end up at a shit club going nowhere.  Just not us.

The manager has inherited all this of course but I cannot help thinking that there is a sense within the camp of never respecting him and therefore as unfortunate as it is he will have to go.



Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Clampy on March 28, 2016, 01:37:26 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on March 28, 2016, 12:41:17 PM
It's not "their team" though Clampy. It's just somewhere to mark time until some other mug comes along to buy them.

Couldn't you say that about every player at every club? It doesn't stop other players in other teams making an effort do want their team to do well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 28, 2016, 02:08:54 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 28, 2016, 01:37:26 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on March 28, 2016, 12:41:17 PM
It's not "their team" though Clampy. It's just somewhere to mark time until some other mug comes along to buy them.

Couldn't you say that about every player at every club? It doesn't stop other players in other teams making an effort do want their team to do well.


As Kippax says above, we have got a huge attitude and discipline problem which will not be solved until we ship out these chancers, sadly this will not be cheap.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: gpbarr on March 28, 2016, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on March 28, 2016, 01:05:28 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 28, 2016, 12:14:21 PM
Quote from: malckennedy on March 28, 2016, 12:06:16 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on March 28, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
Quote from: gpbarr on March 26, 2016, 05:56:39 PM
if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 
Isn't it the manager's job to read the riot act and to drop players who don't put the effort in?  Garde can't do anything about the off field shambles he walked into, but I'd expect any manager to play the alpha male and start banging heads together. I can't see any evidence that he's done that which is why I want him to go. Seems to me that he's lost the dressing room, assuming he ever found it.
Yet the 5 players mentioned just above (Guzan, Bacuna, Richards, Lescott and Agbonlahor) have all been dropped and/or "read the Riot Act" to at some stage by Garde. Unfortunately he doesn't have any alternative players to pick instead, which is why it would have been nice if the promises re player investment in January had been kept.

They've been dropped, not sure anybody knows whether they were read the riot act or not though. Clearly hasn't worked though. Who is responsible when senior players can't be motivated, cajoled, humiliated into playing to their potential?  And who knows whether his failings with the current squad wouldn't extend to any players he might sign for Villa?

I'm pretty sure he's said in interviews that he has bollocked players but also inferred that they don't care.  That suggests he is either not up to it, or the clique of 'don't give a shits' is so big and influential that he has no leverage over them.  The fact that people have been dropped but have to return to the team suggests that the later is the case for me.

Right. The biggest problem is the players.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 28, 2016, 03:27:33 PM
The biggest problem is the owner, who allows shit players to run the club because the weak manager is unable to control them.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: conman on March 28, 2016, 03:28:15 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 28, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
More than any other season in living memory there seems to have been a perfect storm of dissent, splits, a lack of care, Ill discipline and complete apathy for our situation.

Grealish after Everton would never have happened under Ferguson at Manure.

The whole ridiculous Richards Bad Santa video was repellant with no French players included.

Bacuna and Co laughing getting on the coach at Wycombe.  Couldn't give two shits.

Gabby and his cnutish I showed you celebrations after his goal against Norwich despite still having more cautions and reds than goals in the last five years.

Guzan and Lescott at Wycombe.

Lescotts 'accidental' tweet.

Gabbys appearances at foreign nightclubs - adding to his general perceived couldn't give a fcuk attitude.

Anyone notice how many times gabbys name appears?  More than anyone I want him bombed out in the summer and to end up at a shit club going nowhere.  Just not us.

The manager has inherited all this of course but I cannot help thinking that there is a sense within the camp of never respecting him and therefore as unfortunate as it is he will have to go.



Dont know about inherited , all those incidents happened under Remi
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 28, 2016, 03:43:58 PM
True enough but they were already showing signs of being twats before that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: gpbarr on March 28, 2016, 04:08:57 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 28, 2016, 03:43:58 PM
True enough but they were already showing signs of being twats before that.

Long before that - most the so called senior players are a disgrace to their profession, let alone to our club. Sooner we get rid, whomever is in charge, the better the long term future of the club. Lets hope the board see that problem as acute as most on these boards.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Ivo Stas on March 30, 2016, 04:33:33 PM
I hope the next manager will be given more than 147 days and no money to try and turn this club around...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 30, 2016, 04:34:39 PM
Still, he got a record payment for doing a 147.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: adrenachrome on March 30, 2016, 05:05:15 PM
Used to be the Midland Red bus to Astwood Bank.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on March 30, 2016, 05:06:27 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 30, 2016, 04:34:39 PM
Still, he got a record payment for doing a 147.

I'm sure it will cushion the blow.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 30, 2016, 05:13:48 PM
Shame it went to pot, we all have to chalk it up to experience.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on March 30, 2016, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 30, 2016, 05:13:48 PM
Shame it went to pot, we all have to chalk it up to experience.

Give it a rest PWS.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Ron Manager on March 30, 2016, 05:40:26 PM
I imagine Reggie Ray and that bloke who sat next to Remi have cleared off as well.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: AV89 on March 30, 2016, 06:13:33 PM
Nice fair assessment by Durham and Gough on Talkshite tonight.

Garde totally to blame for relegation, worst manager ever, Tim would definitely have kept them up......

Yet pretty then defend Gary Neville as he deserved time to learn about managing in another country.  Even though his records every bit as dismal as Remi Garde's.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 30, 2016, 07:08:01 PM
Quote from: AV89 on March 30, 2016, 06:13:33 PM
Nice fair assessment by Durham and Gough on Talkshite tonight.

Garde totally to blame for relegation, worst manager ever, Tim would definitely have kept them up......

Yet pretty then defend Gary Neville as he deserved time to learn about managing in another country.  Even though his records every bit as dismal as Remi Garde's.
Nevilles record at Valencia was W10, D7 L11. Bang average. Remi Garde however has buggered off with one of the worst records in our clubs history.
Although yes, there is still clearly a bias there toward saint Neville.

I feel sorry for the Garde in many respects but his record is inexcusable. He's been piss poor, which on top of the cards dealt to him was a disaster waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - NOW WITH ADDED POLL
Post by: Rudy65 on March 30, 2016, 07:21:00 PM
Quote from: conman on March 28, 2016, 03:28:15 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 28, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
More than any other season in living memory there seems to have been a perfect storm of dissent, splits, a lack of care, Ill discipline and complete apathy for our situation.

Grealish after Everton would never have happened under Ferguson at Manure.

The whole ridiculous Richards Bad Santa video was repellant with no French players included.

Bacuna and Co laughing getting on the coach at Wycombe.  Couldn't give two shits.

Gabby and his cnutish I showed you celebrations after his goal against Norwich despite still having more cautions and reds than goals in the last five years.

Guzan and Lescott at Wycombe.

Lescotts 'accidental' tweet.

Gabbys appearances at foreign nightclubs - adding to his general perceived couldn't give a fcuk attitude.

Anyone notice how many times gabbys name appears?  More than anyone I want him bombed out in the summer and to end up at a shit club going nowhere.  Just not us.

The manager has inherited all this of course but I cannot help thinking that there is a sense within the camp of never respecting him and therefore as unfortunate as it is he will have to go.



Dont know about inherited , all those incidents happened under Remi

Two of the bad apples, Lescott and Richards were signed by Sherwood. I think the laisse faire attitude was started under the Sherwood reign. Sherwood left, the players stayed
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on March 30, 2016, 07:34:49 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on March 30, 2016, 07:21:00 PM
Quote from: conman on March 28, 2016, 03:28:15 PM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 28, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
More than any other season in living memory there seems to have been a perfect storm of dissent, splits, a lack of care, Ill discipline and complete apathy for our situation.

Grealish after Everton would never have happened under Ferguson at Manure.

The whole ridiculous Richards Bad Santa video was repellant with no French players included.

Bacuna and Co laughing getting on the coach at Wycombe.  Couldn't give two shits.

Gabby and his cnutish I showed you celebrations after his goal against Norwich despite still having more cautions and reds than goals in the last five years.

Guzan and Lescott at Wycombe.

Lescotts 'accidental' tweet.

Gabbys appearances at foreign nightclubs - adding to his general perceived couldn't give a fcuk attitude.

Anyone notice how many times gabbys name appears?  More than anyone I want him bombed out in the summer and to end up at a shit club going nowhere.  Just not us.

The manager has inherited all this of course but I cannot help thinking that there is a sense within the camp of never respecting him and therefore as unfortunate as it is he will have to go.



Dont know about inherited , all those incidents happened under Remi

Two of the bad apples, Lescott and Richards were signed by Sherwood. I think the laisse faire attitude was started under the Sherwood reign. Sherwood left, the players stayed
Sherwood alienated half the squad. Remi came in and then seemed to alienate the other half. And most of the squad all season have been pish to boot.
But Houllier came and knew right off the bat 5 years ago that Gabby was a piss kidney.  He's been shitting up the dressing room ever since.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: in exile on March 30, 2016, 08:21:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on March 30, 2016, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 30, 2016, 05:13:48 PM
Shame it went to pot, we all have to chalk it up to experience.

Give it a rest PWS.
I would have thought there would have been a cue of people ready to have given Remi a few tips about the squad
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 30, 2016, 10:53:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on March 30, 2016, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 30, 2016, 05:13:48 PM
Shame it went to pot, we all have to chalk it up to experience.

Give it a rest PWS.

Spot on. If he keeps it up he'll get black balled.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 30, 2016, 11:15:15 PM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/504709/Remi-Garde-Aston-Villa-boss-Jack-Grealish

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/504747/David-Moyes-Aston-Villa-manager

When I read this it makes me sad.  Not the Moyes bit obviously.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: aj2k77 on March 30, 2016, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: supertom on March 30, 2016, 07:08:01 PM
Quote from: AV89 on March 30, 2016, 06:13:33 PM
Nice fair assessment by Durham and Gough on Talkshite tonight.

Garde totally to blame for relegation, worst manager ever, Tim would definitely have kept them up......

Yet pretty then defend Gary Neville as he deserved time to learn about managing in another country.  Even though his records every bit as dismal as Remi Garde's.
Nevilles record at Valencia was W10, D7 L11. Bang average. Remi Garde however has buggered off with one of the worst records in our clubs history.
Although yes, there is still clearly a bias there toward saint Neville.

I feel sorry for the Garde in many respects but his record is inexcusable. He's been piss poor, which on top of the cards dealt to him was a disaster waiting to happen.

A little misleading seeing as the majority of his wins came in cup games. His league record is

P 16
W 3
D 5
L 8

When he took over they were 8th they're now 14th and spent a ridiculous amount of money in the summer, it's fair to say he hasn't been average at Valencia, he's been poor.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: lovejoy on March 31, 2016, 06:56:01 AM
Certainly by Valencias standards as probably the thirds best team in Spain.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: AVH87 on March 31, 2016, 11:25:43 AM
I'd say 3 wins in 16 games with that Valencia squad, in La Liga, is much worse than Garde getting 2 wins in 20 games with our squad, in a more competitive Premier League.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Duncan Shaw on March 31, 2016, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on March 28, 2016, 03:43:58 PM
True enough but they were already showing signs of being twats before that.
i suspect - and I have no evidence to back it up, just a hunch - that Sherwood allowed and encouraged a "laddish" enviornment as it was his way of building a "team spirit"  The French lads didn't get it, and Remi didn't like it coming in and it all imploded from there, with the "lads" no longer giving a shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: somec on March 31, 2016, 12:08:03 PM
Quote from: lovejoy on March 31, 2016, 06:56:01 AM
Certainly by Valencias standards as probably the thirds best team in Spain.

Atletico would have something to say about that.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Colin B on April 01, 2016, 11:45:51 PM
I am one of those who feel a large amount of discomfort about the way Remi has left the club. It still does not feel right to me

There has been something bugging me about his leaving and it has just occurred to me what it is.

He has been the only employee of the club to say that until we are mathmatically certain to go down we will continue to fight for the points to stay up.

He even said it after the Swansea game

I haven't heard that from any player or any member of the board - either new or old.

Or at least I can't recall anyone else saying it - I may be wrong

Gl Remi wherever you turn up

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: conman on April 02, 2016, 12:02:29 AM
Quote from: Colin B on April 01, 2016, 11:45:51 PM
I am one of those who feel a large amount of discomfort about the way Remi has left the club. It still does not feel right to me

There has been something bugging me about his leaving and it has just occurred to me what it is.

He has been the only employee of the club to say that until we are mathmatically certain to go down we will continue to fight for the points to stay up.

He even said it after the Swansea game

I haven't heard that from any player or any member of the board - either new or old.

Or at least I can't recall anyone else saying it - I may be wrong

Gl Remi wherever you turn up


maybe we should have kept him on for not being realistic
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: gpbarr on April 02, 2016, 12:25:36 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 12:02:29 AM
Quote from: Colin B on April 01, 2016, 11:45:51 PM
I am one of those who feel a large amount of discomfort about the way Remi has left the club. It still does not feel right to me

There has been something bugging me about his leaving and it has just occurred to me what it is.

He has been the only employee of the club to say that until we are mathmatically certain to go down we will continue to fight for the points to stay up.

He even said it after the Swansea game

I haven't heard that from any player or any member of the board - either new or old.

Or at least I can't recall anyone else saying it - I may be wrong

Gl Remi wherever you turn up


maybe we should have kept him on for not being realistic

because the fans are realistic?!?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: conman on April 02, 2016, 12:33:58 AM
Quote from: gpbarr on April 02, 2016, 12:25:36 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 12:02:29 AM
Quote from: Colin B on April 01, 2016, 11:45:51 PM
I am one of those who feel a large amount of discomfort about the way Remi has left the club. It still does not feel right to me

There has been something bugging me about his leaving and it has just occurred to me what it is.

He has been the only employee of the club to say that until we are mathmatically certain to go down we will continue to fight for the points to stay up.

He even said it after the Swansea game

I haven't heard that from any player or any member of the board - either new or old.

Or at least I can't recall anyone else saying it - I may be wrong

Gl Remi wherever you turn up


maybe we should have kept him on for not being realistic

because the fans are realistic?!?
yes , ok not mathematically down  , but i would say 99% realise that we are already relegated
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: TB on April 02, 2016, 12:46:14 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 12:02:29 AM
maybe we should have kept him on for not being realistic

He's gone, and under the circumstances I think it was for the best. But you're actually criticizing the manager for not wanting to give up before task of staying up was mathematically impossible.

Did you want the players to be equally realistic as well and not bother to put a shift in?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: conman on April 02, 2016, 12:48:18 AM
Quote from: TB on April 02, 2016, 12:46:14 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 12:02:29 AM
maybe we should have kept him on for not being realistic

He's gone, and under the circumstances I think it was for the best. But you're actually criticizing the manager for not wanting to give up before task of staying up was mathematically impossible.

Did you want the players to be equally realistic as well and not bother to put a shift in?
no of course not , and i am sure Remi knew it too , but he cant come out in a press conference and say it while he is still the manager
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on April 02, 2016, 01:06:09 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 12:48:18 AM
Quote from: TB on April 02, 2016, 12:46:14 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 12:02:29 AM
maybe we should have kept him on for not being realistic

He's gone, and under the circumstances I think it was for the best. But you're actually criticizing the manager for not wanting to give up before task of staying up was mathematically impossible.

Did you want the players to be equally realistic as well and not bother to put a shift in?
no of course not , and i am sure Remi knew it too , but he cant come out in a press conference and say it while he is still the manager

Did Pearson know it at Leicester last season before they escaped? Surely the manager is the one who should believe until the very last kick.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: TB on April 02, 2016, 01:07:31 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 12:48:18 AM
no of course not , and i am sure Remi knew it too , but he cant come out in a press conference and say it while he is still the manager

I'm confused. Your point seemed to be that he wasn't being realistic when he said they would continue to fight until it was mathematically impossible to stay up. I'd say he was being professional to the very end, acting like any fan would want  their manager and players to do. Why should he say otherwise? I'd hate the manager to admit defeat when there was a small chance of survival.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: conman on April 02, 2016, 01:14:24 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 02, 2016, 01:06:09 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 12:48:18 AM
Quote from: TB on April 02, 2016, 12:46:14 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 12:02:29 AM
maybe we should have kept him on for not being realistic

He's gone, and under the circumstances I think it was for the best. But you're actually criticizing the manager for not wanting to give up before task of staying up was mathematically impossible.

Did you want the players to be equally realistic as well and not bother to put a shift in?
no of course not , and i am sure Remi knew it too , but he cant come out in a press conference and say it while he is still the manager
Did Pearson know it at Leicester last season before they escaped? Surely the manager is the one who should believe until the very last kick.
I would say yes , with the players they had and the way they were playing I am sure Pearson knew all along they would stay up
Remi comes out with things like admitting he cant motivate the players
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: conman on April 02, 2016, 01:20:55 AM
Quote from: TB on April 02, 2016, 01:07:31 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 12:48:18 AM
no of course not , and i am sure Remi knew it too , but he cant come out in a press conference and say it while he is still the manager

I'm confused. Your point seemed to be that he wasn't being realistic when he said they would continue to fight until it was mathematically impossible to stay up. I'd say he was being professional to the very end, acting like any fan would want  their manager and players to do. Why should he say otherwise? I'd hate the manager to admit defeat when there was a small chance of survival.
Yes i agree he had to be and was  professional to the very end when talking to the press , telling them we can still stay up , which was unrealistic
but lets face it with the reactions he was getting from the players , our position in the table , the way we were playing , he must have known deep down  that we had no chance of staying up , but couldnt say it in public what he realistically thought
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: TB on April 02, 2016, 01:27:23 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 01:14:24 AM
I would say yes , with the players they had and the way they were playing I am sure Pearson knew all along they would stay up
Remi comes out with things like admitting he cant motivate the players

There's a vast difference between the manager admitting he can't motivate the players and the manager stating that the players are not willing put the required shift in. Professionals, eh?

I guess it's a matter of perspective.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: TB on April 02, 2016, 01:36:18 AM
'I am sure Pearson knew all along they would stay up'. Really? Oh well, sign him up. A clairvoyant manager would be just the thing...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: conman on April 02, 2016, 01:39:08 AM
Quote from: TB on April 02, 2016, 01:27:23 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 01:14:24 AM
I would say yes , with the players they had and the way they were playing I am sure Pearson knew all along they would stay up
Remi comes out with things like admitting he cant motivate the players

There's a vast difference between the manager admitting he can't motivate the players and the manager stating that the players are not willing put the required shift in. Professionals, eh?

I guess it's a matter of perspective.
yes , sorry , your right , I didnt put my point across very well , I think he said something like he wasnt seeing commitment from the players in training . which was a bit of an indictment on him
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: conman on April 02, 2016, 01:40:50 AM
Quote from: TB on April 02, 2016, 01:36:18 AM
'I am sure Pearson knew all along they would stay up'. Really? Oh well, sign him up. A clairvoyant manager would be just the thing...
he wasnt the only one
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: TB on April 02, 2016, 01:56:54 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 01:40:50 AM
Quote from: TB on April 02, 2016, 01:36:18 AM
'I am sure Pearson knew all along they would stay up'. Really? Oh well, sign him up. A clairvoyant manager would be just the thing...
he wasnt the only one

Well, possibly not. But I've also seen them staying up described as 'miraculous' elsewhere. They were sure-fire candidates to be relegated, bar some miracle - which happened for once.
 
Their end-of-season run-in was impressive, and all the power to those involved, players and management team and everyone else. But no-one would have known beforehand. Hoping, yes. Feeling positive? Possibly. But knowing? Heck, no.

I'd wish Villa could be able to pull off a similar coup this season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: conman on April 02, 2016, 02:18:31 AM
Quote from: TB on April 02, 2016, 01:56:54 AM
Quote from: conman on April 02, 2016, 01:40:50 AM
Quote from: TB on April 02, 2016, 01:36:18 AM
'I am sure Pearson knew all along they would stay up'. Really? Oh well, sign him up. A clairvoyant manager would be just the thing...
he wasnt the only one

Well, possibly not. But I've also seen them staying up described as 'miraculous' elsewhere. They were sure-fire candidates to be relegated, bar some miracle - which happened for once.
 
Their end-of-season run-in was impressive, and all the power to those involved, players and management team and everyone else. But no-one would have known beforehand. Hoping, yes. Feeling positive? Possibly. But knowing? Heck, no.

I'd wish Villa could be able to pull off a similar coup this season.
well pearson was available when sherwood was sacked
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 02, 2016, 02:50:26 AM
Pearson and others knew Leicester would stay up all along? This would be 4 wins out of 29 Leicester? A side that hadn't won for 8 games when they started that crazy run? I'm sure there were people that thought they had a chance, but knew 100% a side that spent 29 games last season being pretty much as useless as we have this would stay up? Yeah ok and Gabby ain't a chubby little fecker.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: conman on April 02, 2016, 02:59:33 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 02, 2016, 02:50:26 AM
Pearson and others knew Leicester would stay up all along? This would be 4 wins out of 29 Leicester? A side that hadn't won for 8 games when they started that crazy run? I'm sure there were people that thought they had a chance, but knew 100% a side that spent 29 games last season being pretty much as useless as we have this would stay up? Yeah ok and Gabby ain't a chubby little fecker.
i knew
Leicester last season were ten times better than us this season
dont know if you was there in january last season  when they beat us one nil
i was , and it should have been 6 or 7  , they were bottom we were about 12th
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 02, 2016, 11:27:51 AM
You must have made a fortune at the bookies. And I said as useless, which they were, they had 19 points after 29 games, we had 16. So they were nearly as useless as us.

Using one game doesn't prove anything. I know we were woeful that day. We were better than them at VP this season and drew, we were bottom and they were top, doesn't prove anything. If Leicester were so good how come they didn't win another league game for nearly 3 months? Or had taken 2 points from 13 games prior to beating us and Hull in the space of a couple of weeks?

So 2 wins from 23 games before an anomaly happened but you knew they'd stay up? *scratches chin*
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: conman on April 03, 2016, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 02, 2016, 11:27:51 AM
You must have made a fortune at the bookies. And I said as useless, which they were, they had 19 points after 29 games, we had 16. So they were nearly as useless as us.

Using one game doesn't prove anything. I know we were woeful that day. We were better than them at VP this season and drew, we were bottom and they were top, doesn't prove anything. If Leicester were so good how come they didn't win another league game for nearly 3 months? Or had taken 2 points from 13 games prior to beating us and Hull in the space of a couple of weeks?

So 2 wins from 23 games before an anomaly happened but you knew they'd stay up? *scratches chin*
yes and i knew they would win the league this season
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on April 03, 2016, 04:49:04 PM
Quote from: conman on April 03, 2016, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on April 02, 2016, 11:27:51 AM
You must have made a fortune at the bookies. And I said as useless, which they were, they had 19 points after 29 games, we had 16. So they were nearly as useless as us.

Using one game doesn't prove anything. I know we were woeful that day. We were better than them at VP this season and drew, we were bottom and they were top, doesn't prove anything. If Leicester were so good how come they didn't win another league game for nearly 3 months? Or had taken 2 points from 13 games prior to beating us and Hull in the space of a couple of weeks?

So 2 wins from 23 games before an anomaly happened but you knew they'd stay up? *scratches chin*
yes and i knew they would win the league this season
There was a consensus last season that Leicester were somewhat unfortunate in many games. That they were plucky and deserved more than what they had but perhaps didn't have the quality for this level. Then of course some things clicked into place, they had a little more fortune and were winning games.

Last season for pretty much Lamberts entire run after the opening two months, until his sacking I thought we were far and away the most piss awful side in the top flight to behold. Sherwood through she new manager bounce and gusto then saved us.

I don't think, points or not, there's been a more thoroughly awful side to behold in the top flight since those dreadful Derby and Sunderland sides. And probably QPR last season. Certainly in terms of squad performance, given how much we pay our players and how much we paid for them, our level of performance is possibly unmatched as far as wretchedness is concerned. If you look at that Derby side for example, I can kind of see why they were that bad when you consider the quality they had. Less forgiveable is ourselves, QPR and also that Sunderland side which wasn't without it's share of decent players (they still had Super Kev IIRC).

If a club comes up and finishes bottom then it's not really a great surprise. There's no way a club like us should be finish bottom and be so far adrift. It's shocking really.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: AV89 on April 15, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
Good to see him looking fresher already for being away from Villa Park!

https://twitter.com/OL/status/721008706981212160
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: supertom on April 15, 2016, 05:59:44 PM
Quote from: AV89 on April 15, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
Good to see him looking fresher already for being away from Villa Park!

https://twitter.com/OL/status/721008706981212160
As per normal when a manager leaves here, they look ten years younger within weeks.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on April 15, 2016, 06:22:05 PM
Look at that picture of Garde and look at the picture of Gabby in his baseball cap with one eye closed and the other rolled  back inside his head and tell me which one will go on to better things in football.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 15, 2016, 07:06:32 PM
Quote from: brian green on April 15, 2016, 06:22:05 PM
Look at that picture of Garde and look at the picture of Gabby in his baseball cap with one eye closed and the other rolled  back inside his head and tell me which one will go on to better things in football.

Or more importantly in life
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on April 15, 2016, 07:12:10 PM
Indeed TV.  Remiss of me to omit the really important matter.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: ozzjim on April 16, 2016, 11:38:27 AM
Glad he looks well. I like Remi Garde, and think he will have a much more enjoyable next few seasons in football than we will.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on April 16, 2016, 11:46:19 AM
He deserves to considering the way he handled the treatment he got from the board and the players.  Once again only the supporters emerged from the 157 days with any credit.  It basically is all Aston Villa FC has got in the bank.  Great supporters.  Nothing else.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on April 26, 2016, 07:40:06 PM
Why did we get rid of Remi Garde when we did?  We may as well have carried on with him to the end of the season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 26, 2016, 07:53:33 PM
Cuz that's the "Villa way"
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on April 26, 2016, 08:01:59 PM
I would imagine after the dissapointment of the transfer window it was quite a mutual agreement to part company.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2016, 05:08:13 PM
When is he going to ''spill'' to the French media the type of shit he had to put-up with at Villa while Ged Houllier shakes his head sagely ?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2016, 05:15:15 PM
You could say the same about Sherwood, both decisions look like mistakes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on April 27, 2016, 05:26:24 PM
Sherwood was the wrong man (cocky, brash, impulsive) at the right time.  He was the slug of whisky to the man with the flu.  Garde was the right man (thoughtful, patient, clever) at the wrong time.  He was the man who knew where the fire escape was but everyone was already burning.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Eigentor on April 27, 2016, 08:23:57 PM
Maybe Garde knew where the fire escape was and suggested we should escape through it in January, but the board told him instead to put out the fire with a very small blanket.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on April 27, 2016, 08:26:42 PM
Agree, better metaphor altogether.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 27, 2016, 08:27:55 PM
Quote from: brian green on April 27, 2016, 05:26:24 PM
Sherwood was the wrong man (cocky, brash, impulsive) at the right time.  He was the slug of whisky to the man with the flu.  Garde was the right man (thoughtful, patient, clever) at the wrong time.  He was the man who knew where the fire escape was but everyone was already burning.

Bravo  superbly summarised
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: not3bad on April 27, 2016, 08:37:36 PM
Are Garde and Sherwood bound by any kind of confidentiality agreements?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on April 27, 2016, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 27, 2016, 08:37:36 PM
Are Garde and Sherwood bound by any kind of confidentiality agreements?

Probably.  It seems as Lerner would rather lose more money than let his ex-managers speak about their time at Villa.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 27, 2016, 09:29:01 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on April 27, 2016, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 27, 2016, 08:37:36 PM
Are Garde and Sherwood bound by any kind of confidentiality agreements?

Probably.  It seems as Lerner would rather lose more money than let his ex-managers speak about their time at Villa.

Lambert seems happy enough to shoot his mouth off every five minutes.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on April 27, 2016, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 27, 2016, 09:29:01 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on April 27, 2016, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 27, 2016, 08:37:36 PM
Are Garde and Sherwood bound by any kind of confidentiality agreements?

Probably.  It seems as Lerner would rather lose more money than let his ex-managers speak about their time at Villa.

Lambert seems happy enough to shoot his mouth off every five minutes.

Hasn't really said much, though.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 27, 2016, 09:37:49 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on April 27, 2016, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 27, 2016, 09:29:01 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on April 27, 2016, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: not3bad on April 27, 2016, 08:37:36 PM
Are Garde and Sherwood bound by any kind of confidentiality agreements?

Probably.  It seems as Lerner would rather lose more money than let his ex-managers speak about their time at Villa.

Lambert seems happy enough to shoot his mouth off every five minutes.

Hasn't really said much, though.

Did he ever?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: b23 on April 27, 2016, 10:30:05 PM
Quote from: brian green on April 27, 2016, 05:26:24 PM
Sherwood was the wrong man (cocky, brash, impulsive) at the right time.  He was the slug of whisky to the man with the flu.  Garde was the right man (thoughtful, patient, clever) at the wrong time.  He was the man who knew where the fire escape was but everyone was already burning.

Garde, right man ?

Thoughtful ? Patient ? Clever ?

He may well have been all three ? How many points did he accrue ?

Defend him as much as you like. He was yet another hapless appointment.

He was merde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on April 28, 2016, 05:15:19 AM
The problem was never Remi Garde the problem was Aston Villa FC.

Not a single signing when you are staring relegation in the face?  It speaks for itself.

As for points, how many have Sherwood and Black notched up?

Remi Garde, and thank you for allowing me to defend him, was not a hapless appointment, he was an appointment to a hapless club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 28, 2016, 06:45:42 AM
Quote from: brian green on April 28, 2016, 05:15:19 AM
The problem was never Remi Garde the problem was Aston Villa FC.

Not a single signing when you are staring relegation in the face?  It speaks for itself.

As for points, how many have Sherwood and Black notched up?

Remi Garde, and thank you for allowing me to defend him, was not a hapless appointment, he was an appointment to a hapless club.

An important distinction, which I happen to agree with.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Ian. on April 28, 2016, 06:51:40 AM
Me too, completely.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on April 28, 2016, 07:11:16 AM
I should have added that Sherwood had the whole summer and all the Benteke and Delph money to build a fit-for-purpose team.  He brought in, though he later denied any part in it and threw them under the bus, Crespo, Amavi, Bunn, Gueye, Veretout, Traore, Illori, Gestede, Ayew, Lescott and Richards.  Sherwood being more interested in staying onside with his bestie mates in the media and putting alibis in place rather than forging a fit, united team last July and August is what made what we are now experiencing inevitable, not Remi Garde being shit.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Chris Smith on April 28, 2016, 07:33:25 AM
It was not Garde's fault but, with the benefit of hindsight, he was the wrong man for the task in hand. A more experienced, battle-hardened man might have had more chance of dealing with the dissolute influences within the squad.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: old man villa fan on April 28, 2016, 07:38:18 AM
The good thing that came out of Remi's time at the club was the bringing out into the open the issues behind the scenes with players and the Club itself, something that past managers since Houllier have failed to do.  It has caused a meltdown but has opened everyone's eyes to the issues that need addressing and gives us a base to start from in rebuilding the Club.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on April 28, 2016, 07:51:26 AM
It is tempting to agree with what you say Chris but I have very serious doubts whether any manager, let alone an available one could have rescued us.  If we had been closer to the other relegation threatened teams and if the old war horse we might have brought in had been allowed to buy reinforcements there would have been a chance but neither of those conditions applied.

Since Christmas we have been in self inflicted turmoil.  No use of the transfer window, the sacking of Fox and Almstadt, the suspension of Agbonlahor, a very disappointing set of accounts, the resignation of two eminent men from the board, the sacking of Remi Garde, the refusal of players to play, the growing problem of protracted uncertainty about a sale of the club and the knock on that has on manager appointment.  There is every sign that it will all drag on at snail's pace into the summer.

I think my Villa instincts are pretty much tuned in when I feel that 2016/17 will be a scramble for the play offs.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 28, 2016, 08:24:53 AM
Cant argue with much of that Brian. Sadly :(

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Witton Warrior on April 28, 2016, 08:27:30 AM
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I think my Villa instincts are pretty much tuned in when I feel that 2016/17 will be a scramble for the play offs.
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At the moment I would take that gladly Brian!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: mattjpa on April 28, 2016, 08:58:17 AM
Quote from: brian green on April 28, 2016, 07:51:26 AM
It is tempting to agree with what you say Chris but I have very serious doubts whether any manager, let alone an available one could have rescued us.  If we had been closer to the other relegation threatened teams and if the old war horse we might have brought in had been allowed to buy reinforcements there would have been a chance but neither of those conditions applied.

Since Christmas we have been in self inflicted turmoil.  No use of the transfer window, the sacking of Fox and Almstadt, the suspension of Agbonlahor, a very disappointing set of accounts, the resignation of two eminent men from the board, the sacking of Remi Garde, the refusal of players to play, the growing problem of protracted uncertainty about a sale of the club and the knock on that has on manager appointment.  There is every sign that it will all drag on at snail's pace into the summer.

I think my Villa instincts are pretty much tuned in when I feel that 2016/17 will be a scramble for the play offs.
That is the most relevant point - If Garde was brought into a club where things were in a good state off the field (Everton are probably a good example of this), then yes, blame him wholeheartedly. But as he said, he had no idea just how much of a mess villa were in behind the scenes (or words to that effect). We were and are the perfect storm, a mess from top to bottom and negativity is running through the club like a plague. Despite that, there were glimpses of positive things coming through on the pitch. Garde's only chance of saving us from the drop was for us to pull out all of the stops to bring in  his backroom team and hand him 15-18m in January to bring in a couple of really good signings. Bolster that with 3-4 good 6 month loan deals and we certainly would still be in the mix for survival, I have no doubt.

sadly, If im honest though I think the way things have panned out will be better for the club in the long run...
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 02, 2017, 10:56:19 PM
Remi Garde on his Aston Villa regrets

Villa still holds a place in Garde's heart

19:40, 2 MAY 2017Updated19:51, 2 MAY 2017
Remi Garde would be "very happy" to see Aston Villa back in the big time - and still regrets not having the opportunity to win promotion himself.

Villa were bottom of the top flight when the Frenchman was appointed as Tim Sherwood's successor in November 2015.

Garde was unable to improve the club's fortunes and eventually left by mutual consent in March last year, just four months into a three-and-a-half year deal.

The 41-year-old looks back on his testing tenure with regret, but still has nothing but love for the club.

"I would have liked that this period lasted longer than it did, but that’s football life," he told the Guardian.

"I respect this club – especially the fans who were really supportive.

"I would be very happy to see Aston Villa once again in the Premier League."

Despite enduring a turbulent few months at Villa Park, Garde would dearly love another job in English football and a second chance to prove his managerial worth.

"Now I am only thinking about coming back one day in this country to work again and show I can be a manager here," he said.

Garde spent three years as a player at Arsenal in the late 1990s and recently returned to his old stomping ground to take in a Gunners match.

His former coach Arsene Wenger is under increasing pressure from fans to walk away this summer after 20 years at the club.

And Garde, who now lives back in his home town of Lyon, admits he is saddened by the censure.

"He is an unbelievable guy," Garde said.

"It is difficult for me to imagine the end. I don’t know when that will be.

"I can say only he inspired me, the way I manage, the way I behave in life as well.

"I am sad to read the criticism of him and the bad words, because he committed the last 20 years to the club he loves so much."
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2017, 11:42:39 PM
Weird as I was randomly thinking the other day for some reason if Garde had come out and said anything about his time here? 13 months on from his departure so guess the confidentially clauses are disappearing.

I wish him no ill, just thought he came in at the completely wrong time (would've been better coming in at the time we appointed Lambert or even maybe when Sherwood turned up but when have we ever appointed managers in a logical order?)

Surprised he wanted to stay on and win promotion as it seemed he just gave up when the board failed to back him in that January window.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on May 03, 2017, 08:01:28 AM
I am a big fan of Remi Garde but the one huge hole he put in the bottom of his own boat was to start to clean out the dressing room of its poisonousness then to do a U turn.  I expected better of him.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 03, 2017, 08:52:47 AM
Quote from: brian green on May 03, 2017, 08:01:28 AM
I am a big fan of Remi Garde but the one huge hole he put in the bottom of his own boat was to start to clean out the dressing room of its poisonousness then to do a U turn.  I expected better of him.
I am not sure what options he had.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 03, 2017, 09:13:47 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 03, 2017, 08:52:47 AM
Quote from: brian green on May 03, 2017, 08:01:28 AM
I am a big fan of Remi Garde but the one huge hole he put in the bottom of his own boat was to start to clean out the dressing room of its poisonousness then to do a U turn.  I expected better of him.
I am not sure what options he had.
The total lack of transfers in January was the final nail, both for him and any lingering hopes of survival. It backed him into playing the very players he'd identified as wanting rid of.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: ROBBO on May 03, 2017, 09:19:31 AM
I would like to know what if any guarantees were given to Garde regarding money for players, surely he would not have taken the job if he was told there would be no money made available. He took the job at the exact time when Lerner decided to pull up the drawbridge, no manager no matter how good could have got Villa out of the mess that Lerner had created.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 03, 2017, 09:43:57 AM
I think the club just assumed he'd massively improve our French speaking players. Amavi did his ligaments a week after Remi took over but I did think he'd make us better in midfield and get Gana and Veretout up to the standard they're playing this season.

You're right there, no way on earth he'd have turned up without a promise of spending in January. We were talking about Loic Remy at the start of that window IIRC.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on May 03, 2017, 11:33:24 AM
The biggest problem Garde had was that we had no functioning attack.  The only proper striker at the club, in my opinion was a broken Kozak.  We had a little run when he was available the results were better (still relegation battle but not completely out of touch).  Gestede just isn't good enough for that level, Gabby couldn't be arsed and Despite being the best of the lot Ayew was a wide forward not a striker.  Enough money to get a proper front man and I think we'd have still gone down but with 10-15 more points and with something to build on and Garde would've still been here when the takeover happened.

He's the 1 manager we've had that I genuinely feel sorry for all the others have made their own mess to add to the rest.  To be honest I'd probably take him back this summer.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Nelly on May 03, 2017, 12:24:08 PM
I have no ill will towards Garde. He had the worst of the impossible job at Villa. In a parallel universe where Lerner had properly supported him, Villa might have played their way out of trouble. The club was too broken for him to single-handedly turn around.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Three Spires Villa on May 03, 2017, 12:34:46 PM
Quote from: Nelly on May 03, 2017, 12:24:08 PM
I have no ill will towards Garde. He had the worst of the impossible job at Villa. In a parallel universe where Lerner had properly supported him, Villa might have played their way out of trouble. The club was too broken for him to single-handedly turn around.

Agree with this, but I wouldn't want him back
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Nelly on May 03, 2017, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: Three Spires Villa on May 03, 2017, 12:34:46 PM
Quote from: Nelly on May 03, 2017, 12:24:08 PM
I have no ill will towards Garde. He had the worst of the impossible job at Villa. In a parallel universe where Lerner had properly supported him, Villa might have played their way out of trouble. The club was too broken for him to single-handedly turn around.

Agree with this, but I wouldn't want him back

Yeah agreed. I think his name is tainted for many supporters now. The still thing is, and no disrespect to Bruce but Garde is the sort of manager we need now. Someone to instil a footballing philosophy at Villa, play a certain way, technique, coaching, tactics, etc. He might not have been capable of any of that, but I think that's what we were hoping for.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 03, 2017, 01:14:33 PM
Could say the same about Eric black yet he gets lambasted
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: oldhill_avfc on May 03, 2017, 01:24:07 PM
I don't think he had a chance of doing anything in the short term last season - we were effectively down when he joined. 

Having said that he never offered any glimpse of the abilities needed to be a candidate for the longer term -  and on that basis it seems unwise to highlight his Villa experiences when touting for a job.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 03, 2017, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: Three Spires Villa on May 03, 2017, 12:34:46 PM
Quote from: Nelly on May 03, 2017, 12:24:08 PM
I have no ill will towards Garde. He had the worst of the impossible job at Villa. In a parallel universe where Lerner had properly supported him, Villa might have played their way out of trouble. The club was too broken for him to single-handedly turn around.

Agree with this, but I wouldn't want him back

I would over Steve "Tactics "Bruce
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 03, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
He was a rabbit between headlights. Okay we lost our way with sherwood but he had a game play. Garde to me took us down totally out of depth
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 03, 2017, 01:56:24 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 03, 2017, 11:33:24 AM
The biggest problem Garde had was that we had no functioning attack.  The only proper striker at the club, in my opinion was a broken Kozak.  We had a little run when he was available the results were better (still relegation battle but not completely out of touch).  Gestede just isn't good enough for that level, Gabby couldn't be arsed and Despite being the best of the lot Ayew was a wide forward not a striker.  Enough money to get a proper front man and I think we'd have still gone down but with 10-15 more points and with something to build on and Garde would've still been here when the takeover happened.

He's the 1 manager we've had that I genuinely feel sorry for all the others have made their own mess to add to the rest.  To be honest I'd probably take him back this summer.

There was a hell of a lot more wrong last season than no functioning attack, our best player was one who had signed as a centre forward. None of the countless issues were the fault of Garde though, and if he was a little meek to deal with the situation more effectively I blame those that employed him. I too feel sorry for him and I think he could still have a decent management career but I wouldn't have him back all the same.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: paul_e on May 03, 2017, 02:37:32 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on May 03, 2017, 01:56:24 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 03, 2017, 11:33:24 AM
The biggest problem Garde had was that we had no functioning attack.  The only proper striker at the club, in my opinion was a broken Kozak.  We had a little run when he was available the results were better (still relegation battle but not completely out of touch).  Gestede just isn't good enough for that level, Gabby couldn't be arsed and Despite being the best of the lot Ayew was a wide forward not a striker.  Enough money to get a proper front man and I think we'd have still gone down but with 10-15 more points and with something to build on and Garde would've still been here when the takeover happened.

He's the 1 manager we've had that I genuinely feel sorry for all the others have made their own mess to add to the rest.  To be honest I'd probably take him back this summer.

There was a hell of a lot more wrong last season than no functioning attack, our best player was one who had signed as a centre forward. None of the countless issues were the fault of Garde though, and if he was a little meek to deal with the situation more effectively I blame those that employed him. I too feel sorry for him and I think he could still have a decent management career but I wouldn't have him back all the same.

There were other problems but the insurmountable one was the fact that we had no one to hold up play and no movement in the box.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Three Spires Villa on May 03, 2017, 03:04:36 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 03, 2017, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: Three Spires Villa on May 03, 2017, 12:34:46 PM
Quote from: Nelly on May 03, 2017, 12:24:08 PM
I have no ill will towards Garde. He had the worst of the impossible job at Villa. In a parallel universe where Lerner had properly supported him, Villa might have played their way out of trouble. The club was too broken for him to single-handedly turn around.

Agree with this, but I wouldn't want him back

I would over Steve "Tactics "Bruce

Ha ha :D
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 03, 2017, 03:16:57 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on May 03, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
He was a rabbit between headlights. Okay we lost our way with sherwood but he had a game play. Garde to me took us down totally out of depth

Did he? At the start of last season the formation seemed to be picked by throwing darts at a board and the team selected via a tombola.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 03, 2017, 03:19:56 PM
Nice fella, completely out of his depth though. My highlight of his tenure was when we went to Wycombe and were sitting right behind the dugout - where we had a great view of Guzan and Lescott pissing about on the bench and Richards arguing with our fans. PatMcMahon's French mate came with us and every couple of minutes he would hurl some abuse towards Garde in perfect French. Childish, I know, but more fun than watching us limp towards a draw against a park team.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2017, 03:47:34 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on May 03, 2017, 09:13:47 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 03, 2017, 08:52:47 AM
Quote from: brian green on May 03, 2017, 08:01:28 AM
I am a big fan of Remi Garde but the one huge hole he put in the bottom of his own boat was to start to clean out the dressing room of its poisonousness then to do a U turn.  I expected better of him.
I am not sure what options he had.
The total lack of transfers in January was the final nail, both for him and any lingering hopes of survival. It backed him into playing the very players he'd identified as wanting rid of.

it didn't help that he provided no bounce at all when he arrived and the hole that he started with became a chasm. I still believe had the points gap been what it was when he arrived then he would have got some money. But as much as he had a hell of a task he didn't make anything better. The whole thing was a massive disaster. Thank fuck Eric Black came in like Gandalph the White and saved the day.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on May 03, 2017, 11:59:42 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on May 03, 2017, 03:19:56 PM
Nice fella, completely out of his depth though. My highlight of his tenure was when we went to Wycombe and were sitting right behind the dugout - where we had a great view of Guzan and Lescott pissing about on the bench and Richards arguing with our fans. PatMcMahon's French mate came with us and every couple of minutes he would hurl some abuse towards Garde in perfect French. Childish, I know, but more fun than watching us limp towards a draw against a park team.

A shit performance made good by too much beer and a gargantuan chip shop.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: TB on May 04, 2017, 12:53:05 AM
In order to provide a bounce you'll have to work with something that's not totally inert at the outset...

IMO, Garde's largest obstacle during his time at Villa was his nationality. When replacing a struggling English manager f*ckwit at a club with a very obvious us vs. them (English-based vs new French-based players) division in the squad, any competent manager of any other nationality might work. Spanish, Italian, Dutch, German, etc, but not English or French.

Appointing a French manager to replace Sherwood just turned the tables 180 degrees, with the squad division still intact. 'Us' vs. 'them' just became 'them' vs 'us'. A no-win scenario, especially without being allowed to bring in any players.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on May 04, 2017, 07:18:39 AM
Agree 100% TB.  The club was awash with francophobia fuelled by Sherwood's strategy of staying in the favour of his media friends by shifting all the blame for bad performances onto the French and French speaking players whom he claimed he had no part in signing.  As somebody commented after the Blackburn game, who would you sooner have in midfield,  Veretout and Gueye or Gardner and Bacuna.

I freely admit to being disappointed with Remi Garde, mostly because he agreed to come without enforceable guarantees of backing.  The real problem he left behind him was the tailor made excuse for the dinosaurs at the club to resist the absolutely overwhelming evidence that the way forward is with young, intelligent, imaginative, preferably multi lingual managers.  We tried it with Remi Garde they will say as they search for David Moyes' telephone number.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on May 04, 2017, 07:47:09 AM
I'm sorry but i just don't by this the club was more rotten to the core than an us v them french attitude prevailing through the club. Sherwood said after his sacking:

"I believe that those players in time will be good players for the football club, but when you bring in a lot of players from other countries that have not played and experienced the Premier League before, the competitive nature of it, it is going to take time.

According to the Daily mail:

Rudy Gestede and Mark Bunn were Sherwood choices, but he missed out on a number of other targets including Aaron Lennon, Andros Townsend, Joe Gomez and Esteban Cambiasso.
Emmanuel Adebayor was extremely close to signing before having personal doubts.


According to the Daily mail:

Rudy Gestede and Mark Bunn were Sherwood choices, but he missed out on a number of other targets including Aaron Lennon, Andros Townsend, Joe Gomez and Esteban Cambiasso.
Emmanuel Adebayor was extremely close to signing before having personal doubts.

Reilly and Almstadt, a data analytics expert, have preferred to employ 'Moneyball' methods and look abroad for emerging talents. Reilly moved to Villa after leaving his role as scouting co-ordinator at Liverpool, a club where such statistical theory is fundamental.
That resulted in the likes of Jordan Amavi, Jordan Veretout, and Adama Traore arriving, highly thought of in their own countries but untried in England. It is believed Idrissa Gana and Jordan Ayew were cumulative calls.

I have never brought in the idea that there was a them v us which was the problem. Garde came in to try and help the French players, or those from the French league, settle in as they were quality players who the club were hoping would propel us up the league. It didn't work out and there may have been a fractious relationship within the dressing-room, but that was more to do with the lack of scouting, buying, and overall structure to make the club strong on and off the pitch on a playing front. As news leaked out about the lack of scouting for certain age groups in birmingham, and scouts being AWOL, its clear the problem isn't or wasn't Sherwood or Garde. Sherwood didn't help but that a collection of players were thrown together who shouldn't have been, and that teh coaching was clearly not up to it, and that club was rotten was key.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on May 04, 2017, 08:47:02 AM
Would not disagree with you directly Peter, we see eye to eye on most things but I try to examine why the club was rotten as you put it.  It was, but why?  How had it come about?  I had heard from my son who has a friend who is a friend and colleague of Remi Garde that he is a very decent man and a very competent manager at Lyon.  How did we come to treat him so badly?

The closest I have come to ever understanding what went on in the death throes of Lerner's ownership was a post by Ads suggesting that the club was effectively in receivership.  Steering the club off the rocks took priority over everything else, including dumping Remi Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 04, 2017, 02:42:21 PM
It would be interesting to see if Remi Garde took over Steve Bruce rather than Tim Sherwood. But he had his chance and doesn't seem to be strong enough to handle the job. We need a young Ron Atkinson type.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 04, 2017, 04:55:38 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on May 03, 2017, 11:59:42 PM

Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on May 03, 2017, 03:19:56 PM
Nice fella, completely out of his depth though. My highlight of his tenure was when we went to Wycombe and were sitting right behind the dugout - where we had a great view of Guzan and Lescott pissing about on the bench and Richards arguing with our fans. PatMcMahon's French mate came with us and every couple of minutes he would hurl some abuse towards Garde in perfect French. Childish, I know, but more fun than watching us limp towards a draw against a park team.

A shit performance made good by too much beer and a gargantuan chip shop.
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A shit performance made good by too much beer and a gargantuan chip shop.
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It was called Mr Cod. Funny the things you remember when the rest of the day was a total blur.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on May 04, 2017, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on May 03, 2017, 03:19:56 PM
Nice fella, completely out of his depth though. My highlight of his tenure was when we went to Wycombe and were sitting right behind the dugout - where we had a great view of Guzan and Lescott pissing about on the bench and Richards arguing with our fans. PatMcMahon's French mate came with us and every couple of minutes he would hurl some abuse towards Garde in perfect French. Childish, I know, but more fun than watching us limp towards a draw against a park team.

I was, unknowingly, stood right next to you.  I had a chuckle every time the (to me) random fella to my left screamed something in French down to the bench.  I did think it was very strange that a French tourist would choose Wycombe away to go and see the worst Villa side in a generation play!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: peter w on May 04, 2017, 07:49:04 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 04, 2017, 08:47:02 AM
Would not disagree with you directly Peter, we see eye to eye on most things but I try to examine why the club was rotten as you put it.  It was, but why?  How had it come about?  I had heard from my son who has a friend who is a friend and colleague of Remi Garde that he is a very decent man and a very competent manager at Lyon.  How did we come to treat him so badly?

The closest I have come to ever understanding what went on in the death throes of Lerner's ownership was a post by Ads suggesting that the club was effectively in receivership.  Steering the club off the rocks took priority over everything else, including dumping Remi Garde.

I agree with that. garde was probably who we needed either after O'Neill or Houllier. Not when he came in. Lerner made such a mess of us it was going to take him to get it back onto an even keel again, never mind getting it right.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Pat McMahon on May 04, 2017, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 04, 2017, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on May 03, 2017, 03:19:56 PM
Nice fella, completely out of his depth though. My highlight of his tenure was when we went to Wycombe and were sitting right behind the dugout - where we had a great view of Guzan and Lescott pissing about on the bench and Richards arguing with our fans. PatMcMahon's French mate came with us and every couple of minutes he would hurl some abuse towards Garde in perfect French. Childish, I know, but more fun than watching us limp towards a draw against a park team.

I was, unknowingly, stood right next to you.  I had a chuckle every time the (to me) random fella to my left screamed something in French down to the bench.  I did think it was very strange that a French tourist would choose Wycombe away to go and see the worst Villa side in a generation play!

A lot of those French insults came from me too!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on May 04, 2017, 09:32:36 PM
Quote from: Pat McMahon on May 04, 2017, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 04, 2017, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on May 03, 2017, 03:19:56 PM
Nice fella, completely out of his depth though. My highlight of his tenure was when we went to Wycombe and were sitting right behind the dugout - where we had a great view of Guzan and Lescott pissing about on the bench and Richards arguing with our fans. PatMcMahon's French mate came with us and every couple of minutes he would hurl some abuse towards Garde in perfect French. Childish, I know, but more fun than watching us limp towards a draw against a park team.

I was, unknowingly, stood right next to you.  I had a chuckle every time the (to me) random fella to my left screamed something in French down to the bench.  I did think it was very strange that a French tourist would choose Wycombe away to go and see the worst Villa side in a generation play!

A lot of those French insults came from me too!

Excellent!  I don't speak a word of French (OK, one, merde!) but it was still very entertaining!
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2017, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: peter w on May 04, 2017, 07:49:04 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 04, 2017, 08:47:02 AM
Would not disagree with you directly Peter, we see eye to eye on most things but I try to examine why the club was rotten as you put it.  It was, but why?  How had it come about?  I had heard from my son who has a friend who is a friend and colleague of Remi Garde that he is a very decent man and a very competent manager at Lyon.  How did we come to treat him so badly?

The closest I have come to ever understanding what went on in the death throes of Lerner's ownership was a post by Ads suggesting that the club was effectively in receivership.  Steering the club off the rocks took priority over everything else, including dumping Remi Garde.

I agree with that. garde was probably who we needed either after O'Neill or Houllier. Not when he came in. Lerner made such a mess of us it was going to take him to get it back onto an even keel again, never mind getting it right.

I absolutely agree with that.

For me the pivotal moment in the last 6 or 7 years was when, after the Houllier season, we'd had a painful time, but had started to show glimpses of knowing how to play actual, proper football.

What we needed then was a manager with the ethos to take those hard earned little signs of growth and work with them, create a side that passed the ball around a bit.

They tried with Martinez, then decided to go for McLeish, which was *exactly* the type of manager we did not need.

They threw away every little bit of progress in the Houllier season and went for a mental year zero approach. Insanity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 04, 2017, 11:15:25 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2017, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: peter w on May 04, 2017, 07:49:04 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 04, 2017, 08:47:02 AM
Would not disagree with you directly Peter, we see eye to eye on most things but I try to examine why the club was rotten as you put it.  It was, but why?  How had it come about?  I had heard from my son who has a friend who is a friend and colleague of Remi Garde that he is a very decent man and a very competent manager at Lyon.  How did we come to treat him so badly?

The closest I have come to ever understanding what went on in the death throes of Lerner's ownership was a post by Ads suggesting that the club was effectively in receivership.  Steering the club off the rocks took priority over everything else, including dumping Remi Garde.

I agree with that. garde was probably who we needed either after O'Neill or Houllier. Not when he came in. Lerner made such a mess of us it was going to take him to get it back onto an even keel again, never mind getting it right.

I absolutely agree with that.

For me the pivotal moment in the last 6 or 7 years was when, after the Houllier season, we'd had a painful time, but had started to show glimpses of knowing how to play actual, proper football.

What we needed then was a manager with the ethos to take those hard earned little signs of growth and work with them, create a side that passed the ball around a bit.

They tried with Martinez, then decided to go for McLeish, which was *exactly* the type of manager we did not need.

They threw away every little bit of progress in the Houllier season and went for a mental year zero approach. Insanity.

Totally agree, for the life of me I still dont understand the McLeish appointment
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 04, 2017, 11:26:20 PM
The only vague idea I ever had about what they might have seen in McLeish was that we had been utterly incompetent at the back under Houllier, while just breaking our transfer record to bring in a new centre-forward.

They might have thought that if we can sort the defence out, the attack will take care of itself, and that McLeish was known as a man who could deliver tight defences.

Still makes very little sense considering we had spent most of the previous years selling the majority of our creative players, and had approached Martinez prior to the ill-fated McLeish appointment, as he's about as far as you can get from Alex.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2017, 11:38:05 PM
McLeish was very much a little effort / 'lazy' appointment.

It also largely coincided with the point at which Randy decided to stop giving a fuck.

That's what sticks in my craw about the Lerner era. All that time General Krulak telling us they'd be here through thick and thin, and the first instance of thin, they were off like a rat up a fucking drainpipe.

Fucking chancers. I appreciate he spent a lot of money, but it was largely wasted through his own stupidity, and they cultivated fan approval right up till the very moment at which it started to become difficult for them.

He was a dreadful owner for us, and surrounded himself with utterly average people who had not the first idea what they were doing.

We are paying the price for it now, an extended spell not in the top flight, and meanwhile he's probably found some other sparkly rich kids toy he prefers to obsess about.

The fact General Krulak got himself a new job at a University and lifted the 'Proud History, Bright Future' slogan tells you all you need to know about their sincerity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 04, 2017, 11:48:39 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2017, 11:38:05 PM
McLeish was very much a little effort / 'lazy' appointment.

It also largely coincided with the point at which Randy decided to stop giving a fuck.

That's what sticks in my craw about the Lerner era. All that time General Krulak telling us they'd be here through thick and thin, and the first instance of thin, they were off like a rat up a fucking drainpipe.

Fucking chancers. I appreciate he spent a lot of money, but it was largely wasted through his own stupidity, and they cultivated fan approval right up till the very moment at which it started to become difficult for them.

He was a dreadful owner for us, and surrounded himself with utterly average people who had not the first idea what they were doing.

We are paying the price for it now, an extended spell not in the top flight, and meanwhile he's probably found some other sparkly rich kids toy he prefers to obsess about.

The fact General Krulak got himself a new job at a University and lifted the 'Proud History, Bright Future' slogan tells you all you need to know about their sincerity.

Agree but .......Shit but not all not all shit.....Bodymoor Heath modernisation, Acorns and the renovation of the Holte pub
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: TB on May 05, 2017, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2017, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: peter w on May 04, 2017, 07:49:04 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 04, 2017, 08:47:02 AM
Would not disagree with you directly Peter, we see eye to eye on most things but I try to examine why the club was rotten as you put it.  It was, but why?  How had it come about?  I had heard from my son who has a friend who is a friend and colleague of Remi Garde that he is a very decent man and a very competent manager at Lyon.  How did we come to treat him so badly?

The closest I have come to ever understanding what went on in the death throes of Lerner's ownership was a post by Ads suggesting that the club was effectively in receivership.  Steering the club off the rocks took priority over everything else, including dumping Remi Garde.

I agree with that. garde was probably who we needed either after O'Neill or Houllier. Not when he came in. Lerner made such a mess of us it was going to take him to get it back onto an even keel again, never mind getting it right.

I absolutely agree with that.

For me the pivotal moment in the last 6 or 7 years was when, after the Houllier season, we'd had a painful time, but had started to show glimpses of knowing how to play actual, proper football.

What we needed then was a manager with the ethos to take those hard earned little signs of growth and work with them, create a side that passed the ball around a bit.

They tried with Martinez, then decided to go for McLeish, which was *exactly* the type of manager we did not need.

They threw away every little bit of progress in the Houllier season and went for a mental year zero approach. Insanity.

@peter w: If you'd written someone like Garde I'd wholeheartedly agree. But McLeish was already the new Villa manager a week before Garde was asked to step up from his job as director of the Lyon training complex to become the new manager at Lyon. Imagine the uproar if an unknown Frenchman became the new Villa manager. "How low have we sunk? Etc."

@pauliewalnuts: couldn't agree more. Replacing Houllier with McLeish was an absolutely bizarre decision. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater and all that...

But that's Villa over the past few years, isn't it?. Almost Pythonesque: "And now, for something completely different...."

I'd like to see someone like Garde to manage at Villa at some point - provided that someone is sufficiently backed by the owner and the board and is allowed to have a full pre-season in order to get his ideas across to the squad. Some managers fit the Red Adair fire-fighter mould, some need to be able to teach, develop and build.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Garde doing well as a manager somewhere else in English football sometime in the future. Unfortunately, he is now spoiled goods at Villa.


Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 05, 2017, 08:33:44 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2017, 11:38:05 PM
McLeish was very much a little effort / 'lazy' appointment.

It also largely coincided with the point at which Randy decided to stop giving a fuck.

That's what sticks in my craw about the Lerner era. All that time General Krulak telling us they'd be here through thick and thin, and the first instance of thin, they were off like a rat up a fucking drainpipe.

Fucking chancers. I appreciate he spent a lot of money, but it was largely wasted through his own stupidity, and they cultivated fan approval right up till the very moment at which it started to become difficult for them.

He was a dreadful owner for us, and surrounded himself with utterly average people who had not the first idea what they were doing.

We are paying the price for it now, an extended spell not in the top flight, and meanwhile he's probably found some other sparkly rich kids toy he prefers to obsess about.

The fact General Krulak got himself a new job at a University and lifted the 'Proud History, Bright Future' slogan tells you all you need to know about their sincerity.
Absoloutely.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 05, 2017, 09:58:06 AM
Quote from: Wes Derby Villan on May 04, 2017, 11:48:39 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2017, 11:38:05 PM
McLeish was very much a little effort / 'lazy' appointment.

It also largely coincided with the point at which Randy decided to stop giving a fuck.

That's what sticks in my craw about the Lerner era. All that time General Krulak telling us they'd be here through thick and thin, and the first instance of thin, they were off like a rat up a fucking drainpipe.

Fucking chancers. I appreciate he spent a lot of money, but it was largely wasted through his own stupidity, and they cultivated fan approval right up till the very moment at which it started to become difficult for them.

He was a dreadful owner for us, and surrounded himself with utterly average people who had not the first idea what they were doing.

We are paying the price for it now, an extended spell not in the top flight, and meanwhile he's probably found some other sparkly rich kids toy he prefers to obsess about.

The fact General Krulak got himself a new job at a University and lifted the 'Proud History, Bright Future' slogan tells you all you need to know about their sincerity.

Agree but .......Shit but not all not all shit.....Bodymoor Heath modernisation, Acorns and the renovation of the Holte pub

Not everything shit, no, but when you balance it all up, a new training ground, some charity work and doing up a pub (and I'll throw in mosaics) versus the other stuff, it's not a very healthy looking balance.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Ad@m on May 05, 2017, 11:59:32 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2017, 11:38:05 PM
McLeish was very much a little effort / 'lazy' appointment.

It also largely coincided with the point at which Randy decided to stop giving a fuck.

That's what sticks in my craw about the Lerner era. All that time General Krulak telling us they'd be here through thick and thin, and the first instance of thin, they were off like a rat up a fucking drainpipe.

Fucking chancers. I appreciate he spent a lot of money, but it was largely wasted through his own stupidity, and they cultivated fan approval right up till the very moment at which it started to become difficult for them.

He was a dreadful owner for us, and surrounded himself with utterly average people who had not the first idea what they were doing.

We are paying the price for it now, an extended spell not in the top flight, and meanwhile he's probably found some other sparkly rich kids toy he prefers to obsess about.

The fact General Krulak got himself a new job at a University and lifted the 'Proud History, Bright Future' slogan tells you all you need to know about their sincerity.

I actually think the McLeish appointment made more sense than the Remi Garde one when you consider that the people making the decision didn't have the faintest idea what they were doing.

It was a classic checklist appointment - they decided they wanted someone with knowledge of the Prem, knowledge of the local area and therefore the status of the Villa, someone with international experience - tick, tick, tick.  They completely missed the fact that subjectively he was obviously the wrong candidate but he met all the criteria they set out.

Garde on the other hand - no idea what the thinking was there.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Comrade Blitz on May 05, 2017, 12:04:10 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 05, 2017, 11:59:32 AM
They completely missed the fact that subjectively he was obviously the wrong candidate but he met all the criteria they set out.

Local government and HE recruitment in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: KevinGage on May 05, 2017, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 05, 2017, 11:59:32 AM

Garde on the other hand - no idea what the thinking was there.


European technical director +  three French and three Francophone players = let's get a French manager.  Fox's Arsenal background might also have played a part.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 05, 2017, 06:28:02 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 05, 2017, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 05, 2017, 11:59:32 AM

Garde on the other hand - no idea what the thinking was there.


European technical director +  three French and three Francophone players = let's get a French manager.  Fox's Arsenal background might also have played a part.

Fox wanted a French speaking manager with modern ideas on how to play football. That is from the Horses chops.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 05, 2017, 06:39:23 PM
Quote from: Wes Derby Villan on May 04, 2017, 11:15:25 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2017, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: peter w on May 04, 2017, 07:49:04 PM
Quote from: brian green on May 04, 2017, 08:47:02 AM
Would not disagree with you directly Peter, we see eye to eye on most things but I try to examine why the club was rotten as you put it.  It was, but why?  How had it come about?  I had heard from my son who has a friend who is a friend and colleague of Remi Garde that he is a very decent man and a very competent manager at Lyon.  How did we come to treat him so badly?

The closest I have come to ever understanding what went on in the death throes of Lerner's ownership was a post by Ads suggesting that the club was effectively in receivership.  Steering the club off the rocks took priority over everything else, including dumping Remi Garde.

I agree with that. garde was probably who we needed either after O'Neill or Houllier. Not when he came in. Lerner made such a mess of us it was going to take him to get it back onto an even keel again, never mind getting it right.

I absolutely agree with that.

For me the pivotal moment in the last 6 or 7 years was when, after the Houllier season, we'd had a painful time, but had started to show glimpses of knowing how to play actual, proper football.

What we needed then was a manager with the ethos to take those hard earned little signs of growth and work with them, create a side that passed the ball around a bit.

They tried with Martinez, then decided to go for McLeish, which was *exactly* the type of manager we did not need.

They threw away every little bit of progress in the Houllier season and went for a mental year zero approach. Insanity.

Totally agree, for the life of me I still dont understand the McLeish appointment

Even after the McLeish appointment there was still a chance to turn things round. We'd had a poor season but plenty of teams have finished bottom half and then bounced back strongly, Everton this season for example.

Appointing Garde would've made a lot more sense the summer we got in Lambert who for all the hype had only managed for one season in the premier league.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 05, 2017, 06:45:23 PM
Quote from: Ad@m on May 05, 2017, 11:59:32 AM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2017, 11:38:05 PM
McLeish was very much a little effort / 'lazy' appointment.

It also largely coincided with the point at which Randy decided to stop giving a fuck.

That's what sticks in my craw about the Lerner era. All that time General Krulak telling us they'd be here through thick and thin, and the first instance of thin, they were off like a rat up a fucking drainpipe.

Fucking chancers. I appreciate he spent a lot of money, but it was largely wasted through his own stupidity, and they cultivated fan approval right up till the very moment at which it started to become difficult for them.

He was a dreadful owner for us, and surrounded himself with utterly average people who had not the first idea what they were doing.

We are paying the price for it now, an extended spell not in the top flight, and meanwhile he's probably found some other sparkly rich kids toy he prefers to obsess about.

The fact General Krulak got himself a new job at a University and lifted the 'Proud History, Bright Future' slogan tells you all you need to know about their sincerity.

I actually think the McLeish appointment made more sense than the Remi Garde one when you consider that the people making the decision didn't have the faintest idea what they were doing.

It was a classic checklist appointment - they decided they wanted someone with knowledge of the Prem, knowledge of the local area and therefore the status of the Villa, someone with international experience - tick, tick, tick.  They completely missed the fact that subjectively he was obviously the wrong candidate but he met all the criteria they set out.

Garde on the other hand - no idea what the thinking was there.

When you think back to that summer the three candidates we were going to appoint were at various stages Steve McClaren, Martinez and then eventually McLeish.

Yet again not even scouring europe and seeing if there was a decent manager out of work on the level of say a Bilic or Pochettino.

At that point our 4 premier league finishes had been 6th, 6th, 6th and 9th so it's not even as if we were percieved as just relegation strugglers at at that stage.

I shake my head when Hull can be all but relegated and then make a genius appointment like Marco Silva coming in. Maybe they just got lucky but example of owners not just taking the obvious domestic option.

I just hope when we eventually get back in the prem Xia can make an inspired managerial choice or two. RDM was a bit of a left field choice that didn't work and SB was a very obvious appointment anyone on the Holte End could've made so jury still out.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: LeeB on May 05, 2017, 07:27:42 PM
I thought the McLeish appointment was to try and get a tune out of the likes of Dunne and Collins rather than go throughthe expensive process of fucking them off, like we should have done.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2017, 07:50:08 PM
Our old mate Remi is about to resurface as coach of the Montreal Impact.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 08, 2017, 07:55:35 PM
These managers really do get some lucky breaks with these gigs
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2017, 07:56:21 PM
At least he speaks the language.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 08, 2017, 08:16:33 PM
Remi Garde is a decent bloke.  That is also straight from the horse's chops.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2017, 09:18:44 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2017, 07:50:08 PM
Our old mate Remi is about to resurface as coach of the Montreal Impact.

Thought he'd get another job in France.

Still MLS is improving at the time so do o.k there and he can come back to europe.

I was critical of him a bit but in reality he didn't have much chance. Joined a terrible squad that was already down and of course wasn't allowed to sign anyone in January at which point he gave up.

Edit: If we make that sort of left field appointment in the future it has to be made in the summer rather than mid season.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 08, 2017, 09:26:11 PM
Make no mistake about it Villa were in a pickle  before Garde, after Garde we looked like a Sunday  League Team.

The defeats at the likes of Everton were terrible, the home games in the league, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City in the cup were just shocking.  Sherwood would have got something out of the players maybe not enough but something.  Garde was shocking.  It will be written in the scripts that he had no chance - rubbish.   I am just happy we didn't have to play Small Heath under Garde they would have beaten us. 

For all the kindness shown to Garde, we reserve our annoyance at Eric Black. Now if ever there was someone who had no hope it was this fella. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 08, 2017, 09:34:22 PM
Agree WW.  My son met Garde at the Cannes TV festival.  Nothing but good to say about Villa.  No rancour. No bitterness.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2017, 09:38:04 PM
Sherwood used up all our winnable home games before he got sacked. 1 point from Sunderland, WBA, Stoke and Swansea which set the tone.

I honestly don't think we'd have stayed up if we'd got Big Sam at that point, the squad was that poor.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2017, 09:41:27 PM
My thoughts on Garde are similar to the other views shared, but I feel that he was also a significant contributor to his own downfall. Of course he had a disaster to deal with but he didn't do himself any favours in some of the things he said or did. Anyway, I'll be wishing him the best of luck in Montreal, just not too much whenever they play TFC.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Ger Regan on November 08, 2017, 09:43:43 PM
Is he the only permanent manager we've had that has not been afforded the opportunity of bringing in at least one singing of his own?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 08, 2017, 10:24:51 PM
Not only that but blocked by the CEO of one of our relegation opponents in her FA capacity.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2017, 11:34:42 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 08, 2017, 10:24:51 PM
Not only that but blocked by the CEO of one of our relegation opponents in her FA capacity.

That was scandalous. In a way I do get not signing anyone because the situation was so much worse when January rolled around to the position when he took over. But if that was given the green light to be fucked over because the woman supported Sunderland was disgraceful.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: passitsideways on November 08, 2017, 11:35:26 PM
The stick that Black got, at least here, from what I remember, wasn't really for the bad results/not being able to get much out of the players in the same way Garde or Sherwood hadn't, but the fact that he came off as not giving a fuck, which could at least partially be inferred from the fact that kept trotting out the same nonsense even after our fate had largely been sealed.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2017, 11:40:49 PM
For all his experience Black was utterly fucking bollocks. Throw Kevin MacDonald into that pot too.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 09, 2017, 07:52:22 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2017, 11:34:42 PM
Quote from: brian green on November 08, 2017, 10:24:51 PM
Not only that but blocked by the CEO of one of our relegation opponents in her FA capacity.

That was scandalous. In a way I do get not signing anyone because the situation was so much worse when January rolled around to the position when he took over. But if that was given the green light to be fucked over because the woman supported Sunderland was disgraceful.

By all accounts he's been great for Gent to whom he moved after his move to us fell down.

Voted best goalkeeper in the Pro League on half a season's work.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on November 09, 2017, 08:35:11 AM
He was thrown in at the deep end and sank like a stone.  Wrong man at the wrong time, but might have stood a chance had he been appointed before the rot had well and truly set in.   
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: ironmaidenmania on November 09, 2017, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2017, 09:41:27 PM
My thoughts on Garde are similar to the other views shared, but I feel that he was also a significant contributor to his own downfall. Of course he had a disaster to deal with but he didn't do himself any favours in some of the things he said or did. Anyway, I'll be wishing him the best of luck in Montreal, just not too much whenever they play TFC.

I agree. Toronto are my second team, even though I'm from Birmingham.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 09, 2017, 05:19:57 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 09, 2017, 08:35:11 AM
He was thrown in at the deep end and sank like a stone.  Wrong man at the wrong time, but might have stood a chance had he been appointed before the rot had well and truly set in.   

He would have made more sense following Houllier.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: brian green on November 09, 2017, 05:23:26 PM
Agree.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 09, 2017, 08:58:15 PM
Quote from: Dave on November 09, 2017, 07:52:22 AM
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Not only that but blocked by the CEO of one of our relegation opponents in her FA capacity.

That was scandalous. In a way I do get not signing anyone because the situation was so much worse when January rolled around to the position when he took over. But if that was given the green light to be fucked over because the woman supported Sunderland was disgraceful.

By all accounts he's been great for Gent to whom he moved after his move to us fell down.

Voted best goalkeeper in the Pro League on half a season's work.

Watched him v Spurs and he really struggled on crosses so think premier league would've been too much for him at that stage of his career.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Dave on November 09, 2017, 11:31:27 PM
It's not like he would have been playing in it for long.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: tomd2103 on November 10, 2017, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on November 09, 2017, 05:19:57 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 09, 2017, 08:35:11 AM
He was thrown in at the deep end and sank like a stone.  Wrong man at the wrong time, but might have stood a chance had he been appointed before the rot had well and truly set in.   

He would have made more sense following Houllier.

Agree.  If we could wind the clock back, him with Houllier as Director of Football might have been a better option than what followed when the latter's health failed.  Saying that, I can't think of many options that would have been worse than the one that followed after that. 
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2017, 06:57:56 AM
It was a while ago though. Was Garde in management at the time?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2017, 10:12:01 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 10, 2017, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on November 09, 2017, 05:19:57 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 09, 2017, 08:35:11 AM
He was thrown in at the deep end and sank like a stone.  Wrong man at the wrong time, but might have stood a chance had he been appointed before the rot had well and truly set in.   

He would have made more sense following Houllier.

Agree.  If we could wind the clock back, him with Houllier as Director of Football might have been a better option than what followed when the latter's health failed.  Saying that, I can't think of many options that would have been worse than the one that followed after that. 

I've never understood the clamour for Houllier as a director of football.  His signings at Liverpool in his later years were mostly horrendous.  They weren't much better with us.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: passitsideways on November 10, 2017, 10:27:49 AM
Quote from: Risso on November 10, 2017, 10:12:01 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 10, 2017, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on November 09, 2017, 05:19:57 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 09, 2017, 08:35:11 AM
He was thrown in at the deep end and sank like a stone.  Wrong man at the wrong time, but might have stood a chance had he been appointed before the rot had well and truly set in.   

He would have made more sense following Houllier.

Agree.  If we could wind the clock back, him with Houllier as Director of Football might have been a better option than what followed when the latter's health failed.  Saying that, I can't think of many options that would have been worse than the one that followed after that. 

I've never understood the clamour for Houllier as a director of football.  His signings at Liverpool in his later years were mostly horrendous.  They weren't much better with us.

Walker and Bent were crucial for us in the second half of the season, Makoun did alright after signing for us before being turfed out through no fault of his own and before we could make any definitive assessment, while Pires and Bradley were essentially in for midfield cover. Not sure he would've been able to do much after Lerner cut costs, but that business looks mostly good to me.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: robleflaneur on June 30, 2018, 11:38:23 PM
Khazri has looked pretty good for Tunisia and Pavard,highly rated by Hitzlsperger at Stuttgart,has been sensational for France.Pity the board didn't back Garde.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2018, 12:23:29 PM
When were we linked to Pavard?
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 02, 2018, 12:25:45 AM
Garde's only (closed) window.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: itbrvilla on July 02, 2018, 06:34:45 AM
Quote from: robleflaneur on June 30, 2018, 11:38:23 PM
Khazri has looked pretty good for Tunisia and Pavard,highly rated by Hitzlsperger at Stuttgart,has been sensational for France.Pity the board didn't back Garde.
They'd have become shit overnight of they came here, and would have been loaned out before being sold on the cheap.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: eamonn on April 10, 2021, 10:40:24 AM
Garde was not even our first choice Frenchman at the time, according to The Athletic...


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Chairman’s tears and a show of loyalty: How Villa missed out on Galtier and ended up with Garde


By Gregg Evans Apr 8, 2021 24

Aston Villa thought they had their man.

Christophe Galtier, who has taken Lille to the top of Ligue 1 this season, was earmarked as the perfect candidate and felt ready to commit to the new challenge in the Premier League.

Then, however, came the tears.

Saint-Etienne chairman Roland Romeyer couldn’t hold it together as Galtier, his previously long-serving manager, arranged a private meeting in October 2015, to explain that he was warming to the idea of taking over at Villa.

The French club were about to lose the man who saved the side from relegation in his first season and subsequently transformed them into a top-five outfit in the years thereafter.

But something unusual also happened on that day. Galtier reacted to the emotionally charged meeting with a show of loyalty that isn’t usually associated with modern football.

Touched by a passionate plea to stick around and complete what he had started, Galtier promised to see out the season, later saying: “After I spoke to Aston Villa, I was attracted to go to England, but it was impossible for me to leave. I did not want to leave the club (Saint-Etienne) in difficulty.”

Villa owner Randy Lerner and his close support team were devastated.

The decision to then appoint Remi Garde was costly as we all know what happened next. Villa were relegated with 17 points and that vintage will go down as one of the worst Premier League teams in history.

But what might have happened had Villa landed their top target? Five years on from Garde’s departure, we take a closer look at what could have been. This is the story of two Frenchmen, one flying high at the top of Ligue 1 and the other jobless, with little chance of ever getting a top role in England again.

It’s October 2015 and Villa are bottom of the Premier League with four points from 10 games.

Tim Sherwood’s energy is sapping and the bitter in-house disagreements have reached boiling point. All momentum from the Sherwood-inspired turnaround at the back end of 2014-15 has been lost and chief executive Tom Fox is barely on speaking terms with the man fronting up to the supporters after every defeat.

Relationships with sporting director Hendrik Almstadt and head of recruitment and scouting, Paddy Riley, are also strained.

Lerner, deeply concerned by the form and Sherwood’s inability to successfully pull together a group of new players, sacks the ex-Tottenham man on October 25, and so the managerial search begins.

On Villa’s list of potential new managers were a number of names. Lucien Favre had just resigned from Borussia Monchengladbach and was considered. David Moyes, reinventing himself at Real Sociedad back then, was also mentioned, but Galtier ticked all the boxes and was the man Villa wanted.

It was Riley who had compiled a detailed profile on Galtier. The recruitment chief put in the groundwork months in advance so Villa were in a position to act quickly if needed.

Through various trips to France, Riley had heavily scrutinised Galtier’s training ground methods as well as his record in the transfer window. Lerner and Fox liked the findings. What appealed most was his ability to get the best out of average or previously underperforming players.

Lille have benefited from that this season with the notable step up in performance from the likes of Renato Sanches and Jonathan Bamba. Jose Fonte has also rolled back the years while young defender Sven Botman has significantly increased in value too.

Another instantly likeable trait when Galtier became a target for Villa was how he wasn’t afraid to lean on others for support and turn his energy to getting the best out of players at his disposal.

He has been aided by the work of Luis Campos, director of football at Lille, and his ability to identify bargain buys and sell them on for considerably higher figures. Victor Osimhen moved to Napoli for £73 million and Nicolas Pepe joined Arsenal for £72 million. Rafael Leao (AC Milan, £32 million), Gabriel (Arsenal, £23 million) and Thiago Mendes (Lyon, £19 million) all left in recent years for a sizeable profit.

A figure with knowledge close to the club praised Galtier’s role in leading Lille to the top of the division.

“It’s incredible what he has done at Lille considering he loses his best players every year. He’s hard but fair with the players and the players respond well to his specific team talks.”

When Lille beat Paris Saint-Germain last week to go three points clear at the top of the division, his pre-match words were understood to be particularly rousing.

“He nailed it tactically and it was also inspiring,” says a figure close to the dressing room.

That’s the kind of impact Villa were hoping he would have in the West Midlands.

Back in 2015, Galtier had Saint-Etienne punching above their weight.

After keeping the club in the league when he arrived, he followed up with finishes of fifth, fourth and fifth between 2012 and 2015.

Newcastle United were also showing interest in the man who had a short stint in England alongside Alain Perrin at Portsmouth. Still, it was Villa who thought they were in a strong position to get their man.

Fox, it is understood, was particularly excited and discussed what it would be like at Villa with Galtier. Lerner even called from the US and hoped he would be the man to drag Villa off the bottom.

Galtier was close to agreeing but when he addressed his chairman and was met with the waterworks, that also set him off too. He then turned Villa down.

And so on Villa’s search went. The desire for a French speaker was not a necessity but certainly seen as an advantage.

Half of the starting XI could speak the language and had formed their own dressing room clique away from the other group of senior, British-born players. A French manager, it was felt, could help bring the best out of the new recruits and unite what was quickly becoming a fractured dressing room.

Fox, Arsenal’s former chief commercial officer, knew about Garde from his association with the London club. Arsene Wenger also gave a glowing reference of the man he had as a player, so Villa went ahead with the hiring.

Yet from the off, Garde was doomed. Inheriting a group with no cohesion and on the back of a dreadful start to the season, he could not turn things around.

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Garde walks off after watching Villa lose 6-0 at home to Liverpool (Photo: Adrian Dennis/AFP via Getty Images)
Senior players like Micah Richards and Gabby Agbonlahor have since given their thoughts.

“It was the worst ever decision that Aston Villa could have made at the time,” Richards says. “Training was awful and everything went downhill.”

Agbonlahor also told Talksport: “Remi Garde was the worst manager I ever played under. He is up there at the top on his own.”

Jack Grealish was exiled under the boss and he tells stories of getting told off for smiling at the training ground too often.

Even the French players did not warm to Garde and his staff.

By the time January came around, Lerner had pulled the plug on any spending, insisting he was not investing any more money on a club heading into the Championship without so much of a fight.

The memories of that fatal 2015-16 season still cut deep. The 6-0 defeat by Liverpool, Villa’s opponents this weekend, was a particular low point.

Jordan Lyden, an academy graduate recalls making his Premier League debut that day.

“I was trying to enjoy the moment but the players look disheartened around me because they’re getting booed by their own fans which is not a nice feeling,” he told The Athletic.

Garde left after just five months in charge. In truth it was five months too many. Those in charge got it wrong and have faced the consequences ever since.

For Lerner, it was particularly damaging as he sold the club for £65 million on relegation. Of course, he would have received a much larger sum had they stayed in the Premier League.

Garde, who had enjoyed some success at Lyon, has since dropped off the radar. His time in MLS with Montreal Impact was disappointing and he is currently out of work.

Galtier, on the other hand, is thriving. We’ll never know if he would have provided the spark that Villa needed six years ago and secured survival. Perhaps he made the right decision not to join at such a wretched time for the club.

Seeing him get the best out of a squad that is currently outperforming the might of wealthy PSG will not come as a surprise to those who pushed for him at Villa, though.

He was the top target, the man Villa thought they had, but for reasons out of their control, it just wasn’t meant to be.

Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 10, 2021, 11:52:20 AM
Note to Villa owners in future: if an opposition manager recommends a potential recruit, tell him to fuck off.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Mister E on April 10, 2021, 12:09:40 PM
Thanks for posting the article, eamonn.
Blimey, every bit as bad as I remember (even though trying to forget).
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2021, 12:19:21 PM
As shit as those times were, we probably wouldn't have had Edens and Sawiris as co-owners if things had happened differently.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Mellin on April 10, 2021, 12:31:35 PM
We'd have destroyed him at that stage, or at least set his career back significantly. Smart move.

Glad we're well past it.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 10, 2021, 02:55:06 PM
Interesting some of the names mentioned there.

Moyes actually got sacked by Real Sociedad two weeks later in November 2015 so we'd have probably gone for him if he'd left earlier. Would've been seen as very underwhelming appointment but he's done very well at West Ham in two seperate spells so shown he's far from finished.

Always admired Lucien Favre. Didn't quite work out for him at Dortmund but did excellent jobs at similar sized clubs to us at Nice and 'Gladbach.

One thing I can't quite get, where the hell was this managerial ambition from Lerner in summer 2010 and 2011? I mean we were still finishing 6th and 9th in those times yet look at who we went after, british based or past it.

We finally started going after decent managers when we were rock bottom and all but relegated.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: Rigadon on April 10, 2021, 02:56:43 PM
Everything was wrong at that point in time and I doubt any manager would've made much difference.  But, Garde was utterly shite.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: ez on April 10, 2021, 05:01:41 PM
Looks like he's dumping the whole blame on Garde. No mention of how crap the previous managers were or the standard of players he inherited.
Title: Re: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 10, 2021, 05:15:04 PM
Quote from: ez on April 10, 2021, 05:01:41 PM
Looks like he's dumping the whole blame on Garde. No mention of how crap the previous managers were or the standard of players he inherited.

Garde never had a chance.....but it's not like in last 5 years he's proved everyone wrong like many of the players in that team did like Gana, Veretout etc.

He went to what MLS and lasted a few months and don't think he's even managing now.
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