Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[gpbarr]

Yes, the argument about him having nobody to play is a cop out. Certain players can really respond to certain managers. Look at Benteke. Before Sherwood arrived, he was having an awful season, and his value was probably back down to what we paid for him. All of a sudden, Sherwood gets him playing again, we don't get relegated, and we get 32.5 mill in the bank.  He's back to being awful again under Klopp. Who knows, but another manager might have got Ayew or Grealish smashing them in. Neither are bad players. Managers are much more important than players for the success of a club.

But you yourself admit .."who knows". So it follows we keep churning through managers until one of them turns an inherently weak, poor, and priviledged squad into something else? Buy you'll never know until you know. Perfect logic.

The alternative is to find a manager who fits your plan and give them a decent amount of time and support to build the core of the squad as they want and then see where you are.  If they're not up to scratch then you stick with the same plan but find a new manager and see if he can get a little more from the players and add a few of his own to fill gaps and you repeat.  If you haven't got the plan in place then you bounce around between style and expectations and become the clusterfuck we've all witnessed over the last few years.  If fixing it means 2-3 seasons of more churn to reform the squad then so be it but I want it all to be done with a considered end goal not just 'who could be good to get a few more goals out of the current players'.  That short term approach needs to be one of the things that the review by Hollis picks up and resolves to change.

Could not have said it better. We are in this terrible situation IMO not because we hired the wrong managers, but because there was no plan, no vision, no long term commitment. It was all short term, reaction driven, by people in the boardroom totally unable to see what was transpiring.

I hope to god that this new board (and I'm enthused by what I have seen so far) realize what we need is a long term plan, and then a stable environment in which to allow the plan to materialize. My main argument against sacking Garde isn't that he is the right manager to take us forward, its that we just don't know because the club was in free fall by the time he rocked up.  And not knowing puts us in the same situation as hiring yet another new man for the job - we wont know if he is the right guy until we know. So for the love of god, lets hope this board realize that creating a sustainable and successful soccer club (assuming we are not going to be bought by a multi billionaire) needs a system in which the component parts work together, towards a single goal, to execute.

I want Garde to stay but if he goes, so be it. I just want to see some stability, a vision, a plan, and then give those people time to deliver it without castigating them as "shite" before they have even had a season to try to reverse what has been a steady decline over many years now.

[saunders_heroes]

Be that as it may, you were trying to take the moral high ground after TV and Clampy called you out and I find that an odd thing to do when you're being, at best, misleading in your comments.  I'm not however supporting dredging up old posts because I agree that opinions change and people shouldn't be called out if that's the case, they should just be honest.

They called me out on nothing, they were just trying to shit stir as usual.
My thoughts on Garde were crystal clear - I didn't want him but I backed him regardless because let's face it he was the manager of the club I support. Sadly though he didn't impress and now I think he's time he walked.

[Dave]

How about we just call this a score draw and we stop the tedious "he said/she said" silliness?

[peter w]

Be that as it may, you were trying to take the moral high ground after TV and Clampy called you out and I find that an odd thing to do when you're being, at best, misleading in your comments.  I'm not however supporting dredging up old posts because I agree that opinions change and people shouldn't be called out if that's the case, they should just be honest.

They called me out on nothing, they were just trying to shit stir as usual.
My thoughts on Garde were crystal clear - I didn't want him but I backed him regardless because let's face it he was the manager of the club I support. Sadly though he didn't impress and now I think he's time he walked.

Blimey this is all a bit pointless, eh? I think there are not many worse statements than "calling so and so out" because of what they said a while ago. It comes across as a bit snithcy and a bit narky. In the end does it really matter? For soem reason i always remember a PeterWIthe'sShin comment during a game under Lambert's tenure and (to paraphrase) "I love this Aston Villa team". it resonates because I could use that quote in isolation and make him look totally mad. As it was he was talking about Luna breaking and scoring the 3rd at Arsenal.

Why the need to try and trip people up and say nur-nur-nur-nurrrr-nur?

[peter w]

oops...posted before reading Dave's comment.

[Legion]

Can we draw a line underneath this, please?

[peter w]

Yeah, sorry Lee. i responded before reading Dave's thing.

[Legion]

Yeah, sorry Lee. i responded before reading Dave's thing.

My post was in support of Dave's original comment and not aimed at your latest responses.

[ciggiesnbeer]

So it looks like he is staying? I confess to being a bit confused, in his last interview he looked like a man who wouldn't be around at the club the week after but since then things seem to have changed a bit?

I could accept him staying I suppose but I would have to hold my nose over his results so far and assume if he is backed over the summer he would do better.

That would be a leap of faith but maybe less of a risk than some of the sad arse names the press have linked us with.

Unless Bielsa is interested, in which case "Garde out!"

[peter w]

i think the worry is if he goes do we go down the British manager or overseas manager route. An overseas manager is probably a bigger risk, especially being in the Championship, whereas a British manager will be seen as making us a redoubtable opponent and could get us promoted but won't advance us.

[Ian.]

That's the last time I take PWS seriously! 😉

[sickbeggar]

There's just no point in getting rid till May imo. Any new manager won't turn us around now so your just paying 2 managers salaries before you need to. Hopefully they're doing a detailed search of candidates and will put him out of his misery in the summer once they have agreed on someone

[Holte L2]

There's just no point in getting rid till May imo. Any new manager won't turn us around now so your just paying 2 managers salaries before you need to. Hopefully they're doing a detailed search of candidates and will put him out of his misery in the summer once they have agreed on someone

I sort of see your point.

Though I'd like us to have a manager in place ASAP so we can start the clear out on the squad.

I don't want us wasting a transfer window by recruiting a new manager.

[sickbeggar]

There's just no point in getting rid till May imo. Any new manager won't turn us around now so your just paying 2 managers salaries before you need to. Hopefully they're doing a detailed search of candidates and will put him out of his misery in the summer once they have agreed on someone

I sort of see your point.

Though I'd like us to have a manager in place ASAP so we can start the clear out on the squad.

I don't want us wasting a transfer window by recruiting a new manager.

Well i'm hoping they're looking further than just current unemployed managers and a lot of the employed types will not be making any sort of decisions till the season is over,

[PeterWithesShin]

I said it then and i'll say it now, I really enjoyed a lot about us under Lambert the first year or so. How can you not love defending a one goal lead and from their corner you get a 1 on 1 and it's your defender bombing forward to score. Much like the 4 on 1 at Stoke in the last minute when leading 2-1. No real thoughts of holding on, just pile forward.