Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[glasses]

Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.

The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.

You didn't say that from day 1 though.

From SH on page 1 of this thread

I wanted Moyes, but sod him, I'm right behind our new manager. All is not lost and it's not like we're getting thrashed out of sight every week. Plenty of twists and turns to come and I fully expect Garde to get us out of this mess.
Onwards and upwards!

ChuckleS

What's so funny. He wanted Moyes, so wasn't impressed. He was happy to give Remi a chance to succeed. Why dig him out?

[Tony Erdington]

I made the point a couple of weeks ago that the manager to take us forward successfully will depend on how much money is available in the summer.

No 'name' manager will come here with little money to spend. So, forget Noyes, Rodgers etc. If you think they will come because we are the famous Aston Villa, then you are deluded.

I'm with Brian Green and others in believing that Garde is the right man to take us forward, provided he is given the backing by the Board. This means moral support and financial support. He needs to be given sufficient money to get rid of about 6 senior players. It's not all of the squad by any means. These 6 or so players are then replaced with players that do give a s***, have a few leaders and have the level of ability to build the team around. It's easy to put a maximum cost on the disposal and any income is a bonus.

There is no doubt that we are going to have to rely on a fair few young players in the next 2 seasons so the right manager is essential and that's where I think Garde ticks the box.

From those that want him out, I have heard a lot about can't motivate, sits there showing no emotion, has given up, stated the obvious in public about the players etc.

What is motivation and how do you motivate players these days? You have to have that carrot that the players will stretch for e.g. further their careers, honours, more money or loss of position or earnings. If you look at the depleted squad he has had to work with, what carrot has he been able to offer them. Nothing, I would say. You can't just shout at players that are made for life and expect them to raise their game.

Not all managers prowl the touchline like a demented 6 year old on speed. Garde is a deep thinker but you can see that he is watching and analysing the game and discussing things with his coach. Nothing suggests to me that his demeanour shows that he has given up.

The Board need to decide the strategy going forward before making any decision on the manager. There is no rush to change the manager and we should not. We have to get our strategy right so that we can come back stronger and continue to evolve into a club that once more challenges.

Sorry for the length of this post but I'm not much good with 'one liners ' like "he's crap, get rid".
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I like this post.

I would like the Holte end to show their support for our manager, as the revolving door must stop.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I wonder what are the chances, should the board decide to stick with Garde, he'll manage to convince his assistants to finally join us. As important as a decent transfer kitty is, having the full set to manage and coach the team seems a priority.

[conman]

Well the 48 hours is up....What's occuring?

Was it bollocks after all?

compensation negotiation

[Steve67]

I wonder what are the chances, should the board decide to stick with Garde, he'll manage to convince his assistants to finally join us. As important as a decent transfer kitty is, having the full set to manage and coach the team seems a priority.

It's a good question Rudy, we are going down, are they really going to want to leave their current jobs for a lesser league? Is this another reason for Garde to seek a mutual consent leaving present?

[peter w]

Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.

The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.

You didn't say that from day 1 though.

From SH on page 1 of this thread

I wanted Moyes, but sod him, I'm right behind our new manager. All is not lost and it's not like we're getting thrashed out of sight every week. Plenty of twists and turns to come and I fully expect Garde to get us out of this mess.
Onwards and upwards!

ChuckleS

What's so funny. He wanted Moyes, so wasn't impressed. He was happy to give Remi a chance to succeed. Why dig him out?

Agreed. Bit puerile really. I'm sure we could all find posts where we've had a different or changing position. I don't think there were many, or are many, that don't get behind any Villa manager once appointed.

[saunders_heroes]

Yeah, but it's what you come to expect from Toronto and Clampy. I never wanted Garde but was willing to get behind him and give the new manager a chance (same as I will whoever the manager will be next time as well). Turns out Garde was absolute shite with not even a flicker of hope, and the sooner he's gone the better. I'm just surprised he's got so much support in the poll considering his appalling record.

[edgysatsuma89]

Everyone can change their mind on something/someone, obviously. That's not what it is about though at all. It's about now stating that was your opinion from day one when it actually wasn't (or atleast stated on here anyway).

Now if he'd have said 'I don't rate him I think he's shit' he would have probably have been told to not be such a miserable bastard so I can see why he would not have stated that. Don't though then say you thought this and this if that's not what you stated as some will probably pick you up on it. I wouldn't personally have bothered to (as I don't have any history with anyone on here) but that's their prerogative if they do.

[TheTimVilla]

I didn't remember Garde from Arsenal when he turned up. I might have seen him play, but I doubt it. In other words, I had no loyalty to him. On the other hand, it seems he was sold down the river by the Board. I would hope he negotiated to have some spending money in January (I had these flights of fantasy that we would bring in a Loic Remy type, or even Benteke on loan and promise them, say, 5million quid as a staying up bonus if they delivered the goods).

He may or may not be the right manager, but I see no value in firing him now. We are definitely doomed so it's not as if a change will do anything. A new manager would hopefully still be in charge next season and I wouldn't want him to be scarred by the existing cronies, eg Lescott, Richards, Gabby, etc, who will all bugger off to Qatar, China, MLS, or wherever.

I can't help feeling that we are going the Geordie route by sacking managers on such a regular basis.

[malckennedy]

Yeah, but it's what you come to expect from Toronto and Clampy. I never wanted Garde but was willing to get behind him and give the new manager a chance (same as I will whoever the manager will be next time as well). Turns out Garde was absolute shite with not even a flicker of hope, and the sooner he's gone the better. I'm just surprised he's got so much support in the poll considering his appalling record.

If the manager at the start of next season turns out to still be Garde will you get behind him and give him a proper chance this time?

[saunders_heroes]

Everyone can change their mind on something/someone, obviously. That's not what it is about though at all. It's about now stating that was your opinion from day one when it actually wasn't (or atleast stated on here anyway).

Now if he'd have said 'I don't rate him I think he's shit' he would have probably have been told to not be such a miserable bastard so I can see why he would not have stated that. Don't though then say you thought this and this if that's not what you stated as some will probably pick you up on it. I wouldn't personally have bothered to (as I don't have any history with anyone on here) but that's their prerogative if they do.

I think you missed my point. I never wanted him at the club in the first place but he got the job so id support him.

[saunders_heroes]

Yeah, but it's what you come to expect from Toronto and Clampy. I never wanted Garde but was willing to get behind him and give the new manager a chance (same as I will whoever the manager will be next time as well). Turns out Garde was absolute shite with not even a flicker of hope, and the sooner he's gone the better. I'm just surprised he's got so much support in the poll considering his appalling record.

If the manager at the start of next season turns out to still be Garde will you get behind him and give him a proper chance this time?

Of course, just like id support whoever was our manager. If it turns out he looked like he was out of his depth though I'd say so.

[glasses]

I didn't remember Garde from Arsenal when he turned up. I might have seen him play, but I doubt it. In other words, I had no loyalty to him. On the other hand, it seems he was sold down the river by the Board. I would hope he negotiated to have some spending money in January (I had these flights of fantasy that we would bring in a Loic Remy type, or even Benteke on loan and promise them, say, 5million quid as a staying up bonus if they delivered the goods).

He may or may not be the right manager, but I see no value in firing him now. We are definitely doomed so it's not as if a change will do anything. A new manager would hopefully still be in charge next season and I wouldn't want him to be scarred by the existing cronies, eg Lescott, Richards, Gabby, etc, who will all bugger off to Qatar, China, MLS, or wherever.

I can't help feeling that we are going the Geordie route by sacking managers on such a regular basis.

I feel pretty much the same, but I'd just add that perhaps bringing players in would have been made significantly easier had our results not been so dreadful in December. Realistically, we were pretty much down before the window even opened. Who'd want to join in those circumstances? Garde has to shoulder some of that responsibility.

I'd be inclined to try and save ourselves the couple of £m severance on another sacked manager if he has the desire in him to get us back up next year, and do as you say above with regards to wielding the axe on the squad. If he is sacked, you'd be hard pushed to say it isn't warranted based on the results delivered though.

[paul_e]

Yeah, but it's what you come to expect from Toronto and Clampy. I never wanted Garde but was willing to get behind him and give the new manager a chance (same as I will whoever the manager will be next time as well). Turns out Garde was absolute shite with not even a flicker of hope, and the sooner he's gone the better. I'm just surprised he's got so much support in the poll considering his appalling record.

If the manager at the start of next season turns out to still be Garde will you get behind him and give him a proper chance this time?

Of course, just like id support whoever was our manager. If it turns out he looked like he was out of his depth though I'd say so.

but surely "not impressed from day one" isn't giving him a proper chance and isn't waiting to see if he looks out of his depth.  So either you've added that comment (which prompted the responses from TV and clampy) to try to score internet points or you're lying now when you say you'd give him a proper chance because those 2 statements can't both be true.

[saunders_heroes]

Yeah, but it's what you come to expect from Toronto and Clampy. I never wanted Garde but was willing to get behind him and give the new manager a chance (same as I will whoever the manager will be next time as well). Turns out Garde was absolute shite with not even a flicker of hope, and the sooner he's gone the better. I'm just surprised he's got so much support in the poll considering his appalling record.

If the manager at the start of next season turns out to still be Garde will you get behind him and give him a proper chance this time?

Of course, just like id support whoever was our manager. If it turns out he looked like he was out of his depth though I'd say so.

but surely "not impressed from day one" isn't giving him a proper chance and isn't waiting to see if he looks out of his depth.  So either you've added that comment (which prompted the responses from TV and clampy) to try to score internet points or you're lying now when you say you'd give him a proper chance because those 2 statements can't both be true.

It is what it is. I didn't want him at the time, but he got the job so I'd support him. He never impressed me though. What's so controversial about saying that?
If ypu want to dissect my posts looking for ammo that's up to you.