Quote from: gpbarr on March 23, 2016, 05:54:45 PMQuote from: villa for life on March 23, 2016, 04:59:29 PMYes, the argument about him having nobody to play is a cop out. Certain players can really respond to certain managers. Look at Benteke. Before Sherwood arrived, he was having an awful season, and his value was probably back down to what we paid for him. All of a sudden, Sherwood gets him playing again, we don't get relegated, and we get 32.5 mill in the bank. He's back to being awful again under Klopp. Who knows, but another manager might have got Ayew or Grealish smashing them in. Neither are bad players. Managers are much more important than players for the success of a club.But you yourself admit .."who knows". So it follows we keep churning through managers until one of them turns an inherently weak, poor, and priviledged squad into something else? Buy you'll never know until you know. Perfect logic.The alternative is to find a manager who fits your plan and give them a decent amount of time and support to build the core of the squad as they want and then see where you are. If they're not up to scratch then you stick with the same plan but find a new manager and see if he can get a little more from the players and add a few of his own to fill gaps and you repeat. If you haven't got the plan in place then you bounce around between style and expectations and become the clusterfuck we've all witnessed over the last few years. If fixing it means 2-3 seasons of more churn to reform the squad then so be it but I want it all to be done with a considered end goal not just 'who could be good to get a few more goals out of the current players'. That short term approach needs to be one of the things that the review by Hollis picks up and resolves to change.
Quote from: villa for life on March 23, 2016, 04:59:29 PMYes, the argument about him having nobody to play is a cop out. Certain players can really respond to certain managers. Look at Benteke. Before Sherwood arrived, he was having an awful season, and his value was probably back down to what we paid for him. All of a sudden, Sherwood gets him playing again, we don't get relegated, and we get 32.5 mill in the bank. He's back to being awful again under Klopp. Who knows, but another manager might have got Ayew or Grealish smashing them in. Neither are bad players. Managers are much more important than players for the success of a club.But you yourself admit .."who knows". So it follows we keep churning through managers until one of them turns an inherently weak, poor, and priviledged squad into something else? Buy you'll never know until you know. Perfect logic.
Yes, the argument about him having nobody to play is a cop out. Certain players can really respond to certain managers. Look at Benteke. Before Sherwood arrived, he was having an awful season, and his value was probably back down to what we paid for him. All of a sudden, Sherwood gets him playing again, we don't get relegated, and we get 32.5 mill in the bank. He's back to being awful again under Klopp. Who knows, but another manager might have got Ayew or Grealish smashing them in. Neither are bad players. Managers are much more important than players for the success of a club.
Be that as it may, you were trying to take the moral high ground after TV and Clampy called you out and I find that an odd thing to do when you're being, at best, misleading in your comments. I'm not however supporting dredging up old posts because I agree that opinions change and people shouldn't be called out if that's the case, they should just be honest.
Quote from: paul_e on March 23, 2016, 05:45:30 PMBe that as it may, you were trying to take the moral high ground after TV and Clampy called you out and I find that an odd thing to do when you're being, at best, misleading in your comments. I'm not however supporting dredging up old posts because I agree that opinions change and people shouldn't be called out if that's the case, they should just be honest.They called me out on nothing, they were just trying to shit stir as usual. My thoughts on Garde were crystal clear - I didn't want him but I backed him regardless because let's face it he was the manager of the club I support. Sadly though he didn't impress and now I think he's time he walked.
Yeah, sorry Lee. i responded before reading Dave's thing.
There's just no point in getting rid till May imo. Any new manager won't turn us around now so your just paying 2 managers salaries before you need to. Hopefully they're doing a detailed search of candidates and will put him out of his misery in the summer once they have agreed on someone
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 23, 2016, 08:26:15 PMThere's just no point in getting rid till May imo. Any new manager won't turn us around now so your just paying 2 managers salaries before you need to. Hopefully they're doing a detailed search of candidates and will put him out of his misery in the summer once they have agreed on someoneI sort of see your point.Though I'd like us to have a manager in place ASAP so we can start the clear out on the squad.I don't want us wasting a transfer window by recruiting a new manager.
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