Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[hipkiss92]

I could go in and tell you who the shit players are that we need to get rid of. What I want to see from Garde is some managerial ability, and I don't think we've seen much of that yet.

What about that 20 minute spell where we played well at Norwich?

We were shite at Norwich - Newcastle was reasonable though, probably because they're so appalling.

[Diablo]

TV has Garde actually said that Mr "look after number one" Houllier is one of his influences? Serious question. I fucking hope not.

Garde has said that Houiller is indeed one of his influences. Wenger being the other main one who actually gave him the inspiration to become a manager. I think it was on an interview on AVTV when he first arrived (Houllier had been at Lyon). Remi had been to Villa Park to watch us when Houllier was here too (if my memory serves me right) as well as playing here while at Arsenal - which also was mentioned.

[Chico Hamilton III]

I could go in and tell you who the shit players are that we need to get rid of. What I want to see from Garde is some managerial ability, and I don't think we've seen much of that yet.

What about that 20 minute spell where we played well at Norwich?

We were shite at Norwich - Newcastle was reasonable though, probably because they're so appalling.

Then there was that 5 minute spell against West Ham....

[aj2k77]

First 10 minutes against Sunderland was pretty good. We could join them all together and get a 90 minute decent performance.

[Villa in Denmark]

There are so many analogies and bullshit theories here.

The reality is we just had a legacy of overpaid very average players from MON compounded by a reduced budget and some very average managers. 

It is just plain wrong to say we haven't tried to address this.  The club has tried very hard to root out the overpaid and disruptive (the two aren't necessarily the same) - look at the bomb squad for instance.  Misguided, but exactly what someone above has suggested.

The fact is, whilst we may say 'sell Gabby for this, Richardson for that' (read in Bent, Ireland, Dunn, Collins, etc etc) other clubs are less keen to take our expensive problems off our hands.

I don't buy that it is a 'deep rooted culture' or any of the other hysterical theories.  We just have had some shit players, poor managers and not enough money to sort it out.

The bomb squad wasn't dealing with it though. It was the equivalent of putting the rubbish behind the shed instead of getting rid of it, then wondering why that end of the garden stinks of shit as everything rots. Then when you finally go to do something about it the bottom falls out of the bin bag and the soggy, smelly, distasteful mess ends up over your feet.

Another analogy.  Brilliant.  It was 'trying' to deal with it.  In exactly the same way another poster suggested above.  As I stated, it was a misguided approach, but getting rid of dross isn't easy.

It was trying to deal with it, the same way that the EU spent 12 months trying to deal with the refugee problem.  By kicking the problem as far away as possible, sticking their heads in the sand and hoping it would go away.  Guess what? Both got shafted by their  own cowardice and ineptitude.

Nobody is defending the fucking policy.  We all know it did't work.

But it's not the same the stupid 'deep rooted culture' theories and ridiculous garden shed analogies.

All I'm saying is that the problems are pretty simple when boiled down and all the theories and analogies are pointless at best and hysteria producing counter productive bollocks at worst.

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When the whole place has been going to bollocks for over 5 years over 5 different managers plus 2 caretakers, you don't think that's deep rooted?

I'd say it was endemic of an organisation that
a.) hasn't got a clue what it's doing and even worse,
b.) hasn't been too bothered about the fact that it has not only been falling behind it's own standards, but also letting competitors go sailing past.

In a previous post you referred to bullshit theories. Unless you've concrete inside knowledge from Villa Park and Bodymoor Heath you can't definitively say that they're bullshit. Anyway what do you expect. This is a forum populated by Villa fans upset about the state of the club. Not just the impending relegation, but the fact that the whole thing just stinks. People ae bound to explore various ideas (or theories for want of a posh word) and points of view (lets call it discussion being as we're on a discussion board) to try and make sense of what the hell is going on.

I'll give you one point. The one a lot of people have been making on here since before O'Neill flounced off. He largely paid way over the odds for mediocrity and gave them far too much in wages.  That was the start all of the shit became visible. 
When we've still got squad members behaving like spoiled school kids 5 years after that shit between Dunne, Collins and Cowans you can't pin it just on the current squad. When you change out so many employees as we have and still get the same behaviour I can only conclude that it's the organisation itself.  Anyone who's done the slightest amount of work in change management or behavioural analysis will tell you that 5 years of that kind of bollocks, (and it's probably been the case since the latter days of O'Neill's tenure.) will mean that that culture is engrained.

As for the analogies, well humour is a well recognised method of dealing with stressful situations, but not all situations apparently.

EDIT - Just seen your edit.

1. I'm not advocating the bomb squad. It thought it was stupid then and stupid now.
2. In what way am I becoming a parody of myself? To do that I'd have to have some defining characteristic which is taken beyond the point of excess to the point where the whole characteristic is laughable. Now unless you mean that my charming wit has reached the point that mere mortals can't cope with, I'm struggling.

[LTA]

There are so many analogies and bullshit theories here.

The reality is we just had a legacy of overpaid very average players from MON compounded by a reduced budget and some very average managers. 

It is just plain wrong to say we haven't tried to address this.  The club has tried very hard to root out the overpaid and disruptive (the two aren't necessarily the same) - look at the bomb squad for instance.  Misguided, but exactly what someone above has suggested.

The fact is, whilst we may say 'sell Gabby for this, Richardson for that' (read in Bent, Ireland, Dunn, Collins, etc etc) other clubs are less keen to take our expensive problems off our hands.

I don't buy that it is a 'deep rooted culture' or any of the other hysterical theories.  We just have had some shit players, poor managers and not enough money to sort it out.

The bomb squad wasn't dealing with it though. It was the equivalent of putting the rubbish behind the shed instead of getting rid of it, then wondering why that end of the garden stinks of shit as everything rots. Then when you finally go to do something about it the bottom falls out of the bin bag and the soggy, smelly, distasteful mess ends up over your feet.

In a nutshell, hide the problem and ignore it, then if we're lucky it might go away.

[Witton Warrior]

Garde seems to be saying that potential new signings are turning us down - sorry haven't got a link as someone just showed me on their 'phone - so we are going to be stuck with the majority of this team until we go down then...

[AVH87]

Garde seems to be saying that potential new signings are turning us down - sorry haven't got a link as someone just showed me on their 'phone - so we are going to be stuck with the majority of this team until we go down then...

http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre

7:43AM on the timeline on that link.

[amfy]

More than even needing the actual points, that's why we needed to show more signs if life over Christmas and new year.

[aj2k77]

If we beat Palace and Leicester then it might give us hope of signing a few decent players....

[AVH87]

If we beat Palace and Leicester then it might give us hope of signing a few decent players....

It's a vicious circle, I don't think we can start winning games without signing a few decent players.

[Toronto Villa]

TV has Garde actually said that Mr "look after number one" Houllier is one of his influences? Serious question. I fucking hope not.

From this article when Garde arrived

Garde/Houllier relationship

Garde has spoken of the close relationship the pair share, which blossomed at the Stade de Gerland and how Houllier's guidance influenced his decision to attempt management in England.
Talking to AVTV, Garde said: 'Gerard told me a lot of good, positive things. He encouraged me to take the job. We had a long chat together.
'Actually I visited him when he was manager of Aston Villa. So I was not totally lost when I came here to (training centre) Bodymoor Heath.
'We liked each other very much. I don't know why - sometimes you can't explain why.
'We had a spell together at Lyon and then we never lost contact.
'Of course when he spoke to me about Aston Villa it was all positive.

[oldtimernow]

Does anyone actually expect an honest, open statement from Lerner? It'll be the usual cryptic, noncommittal or motivational shit that it's always been. Nothing to see here.

I could not care less about any statement.  We have long passed the time when weasel words or marketing flimflam mean anything to anybody with half a clue.

On the other hand, I most concerned that he backs his manager in practice by enabling him to do the necessary.

Garde must be allowed to wield to wield the scalpel and excise the rotten core.   

I think he needs something like a machete really

[Martin Wadsworth]

I agree with Andy Townsend on the behaviour of Lescott and Guzan at Wycombe. How can Lescott claim to be a Villa fan and do what he did?

Their reaction may have come as a result of being verbally abused on more than that occasion. Leaning into the dugout should not be allowed and stewards should have stopped it. Despite all that, the gum spitting nonsense shows disrespect and better standards should be enforced. Guzan may be smug, expecting to be rested only for cup games. If I was the manager, I would drop him tonight, Lescott also, depending on availability of players.

[Witton Warrior]

Garde seems to be saying that potential new signings are turning us down - sorry haven't got a link as someone just showed me on their 'phone - so we are going to be stuck with the majority of this team until we go down then...

http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre

7:43AM on the timeline on that link.

Cheers h37