Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[mr underhill]

I don't disagree with that - and when we have had a decent player on our hands, inevitably they have gone elsewhere  and been replaced with inferior players

[Villa in Denmark]

There are so many analogies and bullshit theories here.

The reality is we just had a legacy of overpaid very average players from MON compounded by a reduced budget and some very average managers. 

It is just plain wrong to say we haven't tried to address this.  The club has tried very hard to root out the overpaid and disruptive (the two aren't necessarily the same) - look at the bomb squad for instance.  Misguided, but exactly what someone above has suggested.

The fact is, whilst we may say 'sell Gabby for this, Richardson for that' (read in Bent, Ireland, Dunn, Collins, etc etc) other clubs are less keen to take our expensive problems off our hands.

I don't buy that it is a 'deep rooted culture' or any of the other hysterical theories.  We just have had some shit players, poor managers and not enough money to sort it out.

The bomb squad wasn't dealing with it though. It was the equivalent of putting the rubbish behind the shed instead of getting rid of it, then wondering why that end of the garden stinks of shit as everything rots. Then when you finally go to do something about it the bottom falls out of the bin bag and the soggy, smelly, distasteful mess ends up over your feet.

[MattW]

This shows that probably there are undesirables http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/remi-garde-asks-board-back-10718691

Very impressive honesty and strength.

[chrisw1]

There are so many analogies and bullshit theories here.

The reality is we just had a legacy of overpaid very average players from MON compounded by a reduced budget and some very average managers. 

It is just plain wrong to say we haven't tried to address this.  The club has tried very hard to root out the overpaid and disruptive (the two aren't necessarily the same) - look at the bomb squad for instance.  Misguided, but exactly what someone above has suggested.

The fact is, whilst we may say 'sell Gabby for this, Richardson for that' (read in Bent, Ireland, Dunn, Collins, etc etc) other clubs are less keen to take our expensive problems off our hands.

I don't buy that it is a 'deep rooted culture' or any of the other hysterical theories.  We just have had some shit players, poor managers and not enough money to sort it out.

The bomb squad wasn't dealing with it though. It was the equivalent of putting the rubbish behind the shed instead of getting rid of it, then wondering why that end of the garden stinks of shit as everything rots. Then when you finally go to do something about it the bottom falls out of the bin bag and the soggy, smelly, distasteful mess ends up over your feet.

Another analogy.  Brilliant.  It was 'trying' to deal with it.  In exactly the same way another poster suggested above.  As I stated, it was a misguided approach, but getting rid of dross isn't easy.

[paul_e]

Hutton is the best bit of that analogy, he's the dining chair you put behind the shed for 2 years and then suddenly decided tobring it back in the house and pay to get it restored only to realise that it is just as shit now as when you put it out there.

[not3bad]

Hutton's contract must be up at the end of this season mustn't it?  He'll have been at Villa 5 seasons then.

[Olof's Beard]

Hutton's contract must be up at the end of this season mustn't it?  He'll have been at Villa 5 seasons then.

They gave him a new one at the beginning of last season. It was the period when the board got a bit excited about us picking up 10 points from the opening four matches and started dishing out contracts willy-nilly (if I may use that phrase). Then we only got 9 more points before February and barely scored a goal.

[mr underhill]

he and CNZ really did get all their birthday's coming at once when offered those contracts. My only crumb of comfort is that no one gets fooled by Flowerpot Man and Mutton again.

[ozzjim]

9 point before February looks like luxury now.

[trevor fisher]

The most significant thing Garde has said so far is that he cannot solve problems that have been years in the making in two months. Fans need to accept this and look to what he is doing to sort the problems he inherited. If Lerner is not selling up, and we wait for his statement, then we have only Garde to sort our problems.

He looks as though he is willing to clear out the rubbish in the squad and work for a better future. If he now understands the depth of the problems, I will support him in getting to grips with this, and it will take time. It is also clear that he is going to have difficulty in getting players to sign this window, as few other than mercenaries will want to be involved in the current disaster.

So unless Lerner announces he is stepping down for a new chair, we have to rely on Garde. And please stop the nonsense of both fans and players insulting each other, as it makes it harder to sign good players and improve team performance.. I agree with Andy Townsend on the behaviour of Lescott and Guzan at Wycombe. How can Lescott claim to be a Villa fan and do what he did?

Trevor Fisher.

[Villa in Denmark]

There are so many analogies and bullshit theories here.

The reality is we just had a legacy of overpaid very average players from MON compounded by a reduced budget and some very average managers. 

It is just plain wrong to say we haven't tried to address this.  The club has tried very hard to root out the overpaid and disruptive (the two aren't necessarily the same) - look at the bomb squad for instance.  Misguided, but exactly what someone above has suggested.

The fact is, whilst we may say 'sell Gabby for this, Richardson for that' (read in Bent, Ireland, Dunn, Collins, etc etc) other clubs are less keen to take our expensive problems off our hands.

I don't buy that it is a 'deep rooted culture' or any of the other hysterical theories.  We just have had some shit players, poor managers and not enough money to sort it out.

The bomb squad wasn't dealing with it though. It was the equivalent of putting the rubbish behind the shed instead of getting rid of it, then wondering why that end of the garden stinks of shit as everything rots. Then when you finally go to do something about it the bottom falls out of the bin bag and the soggy, smelly, distasteful mess ends up over your feet.

Another analogy.  Brilliant.  It was 'trying' to deal with it.  In exactly the same way another poster suggested above.  As I stated, it was a misguided approach, but getting rid of dross isn't easy.

It was trying to deal with it, the same way that the EU spent 12 months trying to deal with the refugee problem.  By kicking the problem as far away as possible, sticking their heads in the sand and hoping it would go away.  Guess what? Both got shafted by their  own cowardice and ineptitude.

[chrisw1]

There are so many analogies and bullshit theories here.

The reality is we just had a legacy of overpaid very average players from MON compounded by a reduced budget and some very average managers. 

It is just plain wrong to say we haven't tried to address this.  The club has tried very hard to root out the overpaid and disruptive (the two aren't necessarily the same) - look at the bomb squad for instance.  Misguided, but exactly what someone above has suggested.

The fact is, whilst we may say 'sell Gabby for this, Richardson for that' (read in Bent, Ireland, Dunn, Collins, etc etc) other clubs are less keen to take our expensive problems off our hands.

I don't buy that it is a 'deep rooted culture' or any of the other hysterical theories.  We just have had some shit players, poor managers and not enough money to sort it out.

The bomb squad wasn't dealing with it though. It was the equivalent of putting the rubbish behind the shed instead of getting rid of it, then wondering why that end of the garden stinks of shit as everything rots. Then when you finally go to do something about it the bottom falls out of the bin bag and the soggy, smelly, distasteful mess ends up over your feet.

Another analogy.  Brilliant.  It was 'trying' to deal with it.  In exactly the same way another poster suggested above.  As I stated, it was a misguided approach, but getting rid of dross isn't easy.

It was trying to deal with it, the same way that the EU spent 12 months trying to deal with the refugee problem.  By kicking the problem as far away as possible, sticking their heads in the sand and hoping it would go away.  Guess what? Both got shafted by their  own cowardice and ineptitude.

Nobody is defending the fucking policy.  We all know it did't work.

But it's not the same the stupid 'deep rooted culture' theories and ridiculous garden shed analogies.

All I'm saying is that the problems are pretty simple when boiled down and all the theories and analogies are pointless at best and hysteria producing counter productive bollocks at worst.

Edit - and I'm sorry but freezing a few players out in the hope they would get the message and choose to pursue their careers elsewhere is nothing like the handling of the refugee crisis.  This is the sort of shite I'm talking about VID, you're becoming a parody of yourself.

[Risso]

I could go in and tell you who the shit players are that we need to get rid of. What I want to see from Garde is some managerial ability, and I don't think we've seen much of that yet.

[Chico Hamilton III]

I could go in and tell you who the shit players are that we need to get rid of. What I want to see from Garde is some managerial ability, and I don't think we've seen much of that yet.

What about that 20 minute spell where we played well at Norwich?

[chrisw1]

I could go in and tell you who the shit players are that we need to get rid of. What I want to see from Garde is some managerial ability, and I don't think we've seen much of that yet.

Agreed.  There was a lot of hope when he arrived (much of it a bit OTT) but to not even get a 'new manager bounce' is enormously disappointing.