Aston Villa under-10's vs Arsenal -FA Cup Final Post-Match Thread

[Dave]

Guzan's conceded 8 against Arsenal this season. He'd have let in a few today aswell.

He might have done, he might not have done. He might have dropped a bollock that Given didn't.

But I bet he wouldn't have let a bloke who is 5ft 6 win a header at the edge of our six-yard box.

I'm sorry, but to say that Given should/could have come to meet that cross is ridiculous.

I sort of agree. He's not good enough or commanding enough to come to meet that cross. He hasn't done for his whole career, so today wouldn't be the time for him to start.

The bloke on our bench though would have come for it and would probably have caught it comfortably.

That wasn't the point made though, was he at fault for our first three goals?

I personally think that Guzan wouldn't have conceded any of those three goals. I also think there isn't a save that Given made that he wouldn't also have made.

He may have ballsed up a kick or two or sent the ball out of play when Given didn't as that is his weakness.

Whoever the keeper was today I still think we would have lost as we were rubbish all over the pitch. But being rubbish all over the pitch doesn't excuse our goalkeeper (or more accurately our choice of goalkeeper) from conceding avoidable goals.

[Toronto Villa]

I am really so very glad this season is finally over.

[Risso]

Guzan's conceded 8 against Arsenal this season. He'd have let in a few today aswell.

He might have done, he might not have done. He might have dropped a bollock that Given didn't.

But I bet he wouldn't have let a bloke who is 5ft 6 win a header at the edge of our six-yard box.

I'm sorry, but to say that Given should/could have come to meet that cross is ridiculous.

I sort of agree. He's not good enough or commanding enough to come to meet that cross. He hasn't done for his whole career, so today wouldn't be the time for him to start.

The bloke on our bench though would have come for it and would probably have caught it comfortably.

That wasn't the point made though, was he at fault for our first three goals?

I personally think that Guzan wouldn't have conceded any of those three goals. I also think there isn't a save that Given made that he wouldn't also have made.

He may have ballsed up a kick or two or sent the ball out of play when Given didn't as that is his weakness.

Whoever the keeper was today I still think we would have lost as we were rubbish all over the pitch. But being rubbish all over the pitch doesn't excuse our goalkeeper (or more accurately our choice of goalkeeper) from conceding avoidable goals.

Oh do turn it in.  Guzan has played in more than his fair share of thrashings.  When the whole of your outfield team is playing abysmally, a team like Arsenal is always going to have a field day.  Like they did twice against us this season with Guzan in the nets.

[PaulWinch again]

Guzan's conceded 8 against Arsenal this season. He'd have let in a few today aswell.

He might have done, he might not have done. He might have dropped a bollock that Given didn't.

But I bet he wouldn't have let a bloke who is 5ft 6 win a header at the edge of our six-yard box.

I'm sorry, but to say that Given should/could have come to meet that cross is ridiculous.

I think there's a debate to be had, but ultimately Given isn't the root cause of today.

We were awful all over the pitch.

Arsenal are much better than us, but they're much better than lots of teams who manage to make it a lot less easy for them. Like Reading in the semi final, for example.

We offered absolutely nothing. It was embarrassingly one sided. I can live with losing, but being so humiliatingly shit is another thing entirely.

And that's it, defeat is ok, but humiliation is not. 10 out of the 11 players on the field having some of the worst games of their careers is a fucking disgrace.

[villan from luton]

Guzan's conceded 8 against Arsenal this season. He'd have let in a few today aswell.

He might have done, he might not have done. He might have dropped a bollock that Given didn't.

But I bet he wouldn't have let a bloke who is 5ft 6 win a header at the edge of our six-yard box.

I'm sorry, but to say that Given should/could have come to meet that cross is ridiculous.

I sort of agree. He's not good enough or commanding enough to come to meet that cross. He hasn't done for his whole career, so today wouldn't be the time for him to start.

The bloke on our bench though would have come for it and would probably have caught it comfortably.

That wasn't the point made though, was he at fault for our first three goals?

I personally think that Guzan wouldn't have conceded any of those three goals. I also think there isn't a save that Given made that he wouldn't also have made.

He may have ballsed up a kick or two or sent the ball out of play when Given didn't as that is his weakness.

Whoever the keeper was today I still think we would have lost as we were rubbish all over the pitch. But being rubbish all over the pitch doesn't excuse our goalkeeper (or more accurately our choice of goalkeeper) from conceding avoidable goals.

I personally think you are talking nonsense, especially for the first two goals I don't think the likes of Hart of Buffon would have got them.

[Flamingo Lane]

The ref's performance was just about as bad as ours too...1 or 2 penalties at 3-0 down would have made for a more exciting finish.

I'll have what he's had.

[nick harper]

Guzan's conceded 8 against Arsenal this season. He'd have let in a few today aswell.

He might have done, he might not have done. He might have dropped a bollock that Given didn't.

But I bet he wouldn't have let a bloke who is 5ft 6 win a header at the edge of our six-yard box.

I'm sorry, but to say that Given should/could have come to meet that cross is ridiculous.

I sort of agree. He's not good enough or commanding enough to come to meet that cross. He hasn't done for his whole career, so today wouldn't be the time for him to start.

The bloke on our bench though would have come for it and would probably have caught it comfortably.

I must admit when I saw the first goal I didn't once think Given should've come for that. I was more annoyed Alexis outjumped Richardson for the header and everyone watched the ball and not Walcott.

The third goal was embarassing though, Mertasacker has headed that pretty much in the centre of the goal and Given can't even move, that was the worst one of the opening three.

Once Benteke decide to go walkabout given didn't stand a chance. We should be grateful Arsenal stepped off the gas after 60 minutes.

The only consolation is it will focus minds on the fact we need a major overhaul this summer. Hopefully there will be a sale to change the mentality of this club. The fans deserve so much more.

[Dave]

When the whole of your outfield team is playing abysmally, a team like Arsenal is always going to have a field day.

Yes, just like I said in that post you quoted. We'd have lost today whoever the keeper was.

My apologies for the suggestion that Given wasn't some sort of saviour who rescued us from even more embarrassment than we actually saw.

[villan from luton]

what have you seen so far though, he hasn't bought anyone yet?

His team selections. That's not the be-all-and-end-all, as he is dealing with the hand he has been dealt.

However if he's decided that Cole is a better option then Gil going on what they've shown for the club so far then it's probably not unreasonable to think that he's going with 'Premier League = good, fancy foreign types = bad".

So maybe you should let him buy the players he wants and then decide. You are quite right in the fact he is having to go with what he has, so going against you own point really

I've not decided anything, as there is nothing to decide yet. I'm offering an opinion based on nothing more than gut-feeling.

If the topic that is being discussed is "what sort of players is Tim Sherwood going to sign", then I don't think it's unreasonable to comment on it.

Things would be a bit dull is every thread was just people saying "I have no opinion on this subject until I see concrete evidence one way or the other".

Well lets hope your gut feeling is wrong and there is not much substance behind it to be fair

[Chris Jameson]

With regards to the slightly tedious goalkeeper discussion we could have had David De Gea, Manuel Neur and Brad Guzan in goal today and we'd still have been hammered.

Admittedly we'd have been short in midfield with three keepers.

[Dave]

what have you seen so far though, he hasn't bought anyone yet?

His team selections. That's not the be-all-and-end-all, as he is dealing with the hand he has been dealt.

However if he's decided that Cole is a better option then Gil going on what they've shown for the club so far then it's probably not unreasonable to think that he's going with 'Premier League = good, fancy foreign types = bad".

So maybe you should let him buy the players he wants and then decide. You are quite right in the fact he is having to go with what he has, so going against you own point really

I've not decided anything, as there is nothing to decide yet. I'm offering an opinion based on nothing more than gut-feeling.

If the topic that is being discussed is "what sort of players is Tim Sherwood going to sign", then I don't think it's unreasonable to comment on it.

Things would be a bit dull is every thread was just people saying "I have no opinion on this subject until I see concrete evidence one way or the other".

Well lets hope your gut feeling is wrong and there is not much substance behind it to be fair

I completely agree. I hope that it's just dodgy lamb from the barbecue and too much beer.

[villan from luton]

Guzan's conceded 8 against Arsenal this season. He'd have let in a few today aswell.

He might have done, he might not have done. He might have dropped a bollock that Given didn't.

But I bet he wouldn't have let a bloke who is 5ft 6 win a header at the edge of our six-yard box.

I'm sorry, but to say that Given should/could have come to meet that cross is ridiculous.

I sort of agree. He's not good enough or commanding enough to come to meet that cross. He hasn't done for his whole career, so today wouldn't be the time for him to start.

The bloke on our bench though would have come for it and would probably have caught it comfortably.

I must admit when I saw the first goal I didn't once think Given should've come for that. I was more annoyed Alexis outjumped Richardson for the header and everyone watched the ball and not Walcott.

The third goal was embarassing though, Mertasacker has headed that pretty much in the centre of the goal and Given can't even move, that was the worst one of the opening three.

Once Benteke decide to go walkabout given didn't stand a chance. We should be grateful Arsenal stepped off the gas after 60 minutes.

The only consolation is it will focus minds on the fact we need a major overhaul this summer. Hopefully there will be a sale to change the mentality of this club. The fans deserve so much more.

Benteke was a disgrace defending for that third goal, for a couple of set pieces in the first half as well. The service to him was poor though, Arsenal were superb but really wanted to get in their faces and not let them play like that.That is the most annoying thing

[villan from luton]

what have you seen so far though, he hasn't bought anyone yet?

His team selections. That's not the be-all-and-end-all, as he is dealing with the hand he has been dealt.

However if he's decided that Cole is a better option then Gil going on what they've shown for the club so far then it's probably not unreasonable to think that he's going with 'Premier League = good, fancy foreign types = bad".

So maybe you should let him buy the players he wants and then decide. You are quite right in the fact he is having to go with what he has, so going against you own point really

I've not decided anything, as there is nothing to decide yet. I'm offering an opinion based on nothing more than gut-feeling.

If the topic that is being discussed is "what sort of players is Tim Sherwood going to sign", then I don't think it's unreasonable to comment on it.

Things would be a bit dull is every thread was just people saying "I have no opinion on this subject until I see concrete evidence one way or the other".

Well lets hope your gut feeling is wrong and there is not much substance behind it to be fair

I completely agree. I hope that it's just dodgy lamb from the barbecue and too much beer.

Well my BBQ was top class with a few round, but the lads girlfriend is taking the p as a gooner

[LTA]

Just got back.

So galling that the tremendous effort to reach the final ends with such a lacklustre display.  Yes Arsenal are a better side, but we made it too easy for them and in truth they wont have had an easier game this season.

So galling that we allowed George Ramsays record to be equalled by Wenger with such ease.

Have to say the photos ive seen of our inept owner laughing and joking with Prince William while we were being taken apart haven't exactly thrilled me.

[ciggiesnbeer]

With regards to the slightly tedious goalkeeper discussion we could have had David De Gea, Manuel Neur and Brad Guzan in goal today and we'd still have been hammered.

Admittedly we'd have been short in midfield with three keepers.

First time I have cracked a smile since kick off. very good.