Is celebrating an away goal among home fans ever acceptable?

[PeterWithesShin]

He's obviously a lying twat. As I said on page one, he claims his kids are "inbetween" Villa and Manure, and yet him and both kids only celebrated the Manure goal.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

I agree FMWMU, to a point.  What we're discussing here is not the fact that the father is a knob, that's accepted.  I'm sure the kids were well behaved and for the most part did what their parents told them but, they are in a charged atmosphere and, as much as nobody likes the idea of Brummie Reds or whatever their team scored and they got caught up in the excitement.  What were they expected to do?

What their dad had told them to do beforehand, if he was a responsible parent.

Which was the point of my earlier post really - I considered taking the twatty neighbour's kid and decided not to...I didn't want him - or me - to be in a vulnerable/awkward situation...and I know all the regulars around me very well.  In an away area...?

[IAmTheOneIanOlney]

I'm sure there's an argument for it and anything that promotes a trouble-free experience is welcome, but a whole section of fans sitting side by side and not one of them genuinely invested in what happens - doesn't it take away the essence of attending a game? What keeps you interested throughout a lifeless 0-0?

I started going as a six-year-old in the mid-'80s and football hooliganism was pretty horrible then and the Holte was an all-standing behemoth where a home goal created a melee, even when it was half full. It was scary and exhilirating and I stayed safe because my dad and my brothers told me and showed me what I had to do and made sure I did it.

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I'm sure there's an argument for it and anything that promotes a trouble-free experience is welcome, but a whole section of fans sitting side by side and not one of them genuinely invested in what happens - doesn't it take away the essence of attending a game? What keeps you interested throughout a lifeless 0-0?

I started going as a six-year-old in the mid-'80s and football hooliganism was pretty horrible then and the Holte was an all-standing behemoth where a home goal created a melee, even when it was half full. It was scary and exhilirating and I stayed safe because my dad and my brothers told me and showed me what I had to do and made sure I did it.

that's not what I'm saying. Goals for both sides would be celebrated. Colours could be worn, and everyone in that section behaved themselves or they'd be ejected

[IAmTheOneIanOlney]

Well, that would be great. Unlikely, but great.
A bit like the Everton-Liverpool FA Cup finals of the '80s, where families and friends all sat together in shirts of both clubs. Or was it all media myth-making? Certainly seemed to be that way.

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Why doesn't he get a season ticket up there, go to away games and build up the points to get tickets from the ballot?

What's that? You can't afford it? Too expensive up there? I wonder whose fault it is for making it too pricy? You day tripping Brummie Red shit bag.

[olaftab]

He's obviously a lying twat. As I said on page one, he claims his cards are "inbetween" Villa and Manure, and yet him and both kids only celebrated the Manure goal.

Yes and that is because the f*cker is moulding them in to Manu only without their mum there. As I said kids follow him and his face was prob full of thunder when we scored so the kids were hardly going to celebrate where as when they scored.....

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

I'm sure there's an argument for it and anything that promotes a trouble-free experience is welcome, but a whole section of fans sitting side by side and not one of them genuinely invested in what happens - doesn't it take away the essence of attending a game? What keeps you interested throughout a lifeless 0-0?

I started going as a six-year-old in the mid-'80s and football hooliganism was pretty horrible then and the Holte was an all-standing behemoth where a home goal created a melee, even when it was half full. It was scary and exhilirating and I stayed safe because my dad and my brothers told me and showed me what I had to do and made sure I did it.

Nearly posted something similar earlier - brother took me to games when I was 5/6/7 and then we moved to Tamworth and I started going again when I was about 10 - sometimes on my own. Later in a group. I could've taken my gran in the 70s - I knew exactly where to go and not to go to avoid "bovver".
If the ManU dad wants to take his kids anywhere he likes, ignore all the rules and advice but expect everyone else to make allowances for him then he's not doing his own kids any favours. 

[silhillvilla]

I'm sure there's an argument for it and anything that promotes a trouble-free experience is welcome, but a whole section of fans sitting side by side and not one of them genuinely invested in what happens - doesn't it take away the essence of attending a game? What keeps you interested throughout a lifeless 0-0?

I started going as a six-year-old in the mid-'80s and football hooliganism was pretty horrible then and the Holte was an all-standing behemoth where a home goal created a melee, even when it was half full. It was scary and exhilirating and I stayed safe because my dad and my brothers told me and showed me what I had to do and made sure I did it.

See Fulham neutral end .

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The neutral end works at Fulham because it's Fulham.

[Smirker]

I'd like to hear this radio phone call to be honest.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Why doesn't he get a season ticket up there, go to away games and build up the points to get tickets from the ballot?

What's that? You can't afford it? Too expensive up there? I wonder whose fault it is for making it too pricy? You day tripping Brummie Red shit bag.

Exactly what I thought about the Christmas present angle.
If I was a Villa fan living in Manchester and I wanted to give my kids a special treat I think I'd take them to Villa Park - make a full-day experience of it and get seats with thousands of home fans. They'd love being surrounded by fellow Villains!
 

It takes very little reading between the lines to realise that this bloke is a complete twat.
I hope and pray that his kids don't grow up with the same "the world owes me" kind of attitude.

[Dave]

The neutral end works at Fulham because it's Fulham.

Presumably if we had a similar section then it just wouldn't work because we wouldn't be able to make it through the match without 'sticking one on' somebody?

[cdbearsfan]

The neutral end works at Fulham because it's Fulham.

Presumably if we had a similar section then it just wouldn't work because we wouldn't be able to make it through the match without 'sticking one on' somebody?

More the fact that we don't really have neutrals at Villa Park. We're not in the World's most-visited tourist city, full of people who just want to see a football game. I expect the attraction factor has diminished since they stopped being in the Premier League, but even so.

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Definitely. We would have to call it the windmill end. You'd get a discount if you bring an iPad or a copy of Fever Pitch to get in.

Dave was being trite CD. But as you say, Fulham's match day attendance is made up of a lot tourists anyway, so with Fulham being one of the friendlier clubs, it makes sense. It might work at Arsenal, but none of the other London clubs.