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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Cleybrooke on December 22, 2014, 06:08:58 PM
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Really not wanting for this to descend into an everything is shit thread (because it isn't), I'm just a bit surprised and reckon there must be more to the tail.
Glory hunter whinges (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11307931/Is-celebrating-an-away-goal-among-home-fans-ever-acceptable.html)
Sat at this end last year and have been aware of away fans a few times. There are normally a few disabled opposition fans in and around that end as well.
Any way, sitting with away fans is always exciting, especially on the occasions we score.
PWS: Link fixed
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Link is redundant, mate.
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Not any more.
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I don't have a problem with people sitting wherever they want, we've all gone to games with mates who are home fans, or as neutrals, or whatever. But you need to have the common sense to realise passions run high at football matches and that you need to keep your gob shut if you're in the wrong end.
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You missed the 'l':
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11307931/Is-celebrating-an-away-goal-among-home-fans-ever-acceptable.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11307931/Is-celebrating-an-away-goal-among-home-fans-ever-acceptable.html)
edit: and then fixed it while I posted this :)
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They don't sound "inbetween the two".
"I bought tickets in the Family Stand for a Christmas treat for the boys. Their mum is a Villa fan, I'm a United fan and they're inbetween the two.
"We didn't celebrate the Villa goal but when Falcao equalised the two boys jumped up in the air, super excited that Falcao had scored. I gave them a big hug.
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Lawrie from Birmingham, rang 5 Live's 606 and told the radio station:
I'm ringing to vent my disgust at how we were treated at Villa Park today. We were only allowed to stay in the ground for 53 minutes because stewards decided to kick out a seven-year-old and nine-year-old boy.
I bought tickets in the Family Stand for a Christmas treat for the boys. Their mum is a Villa fan, I'm a United fan and they're inbetween the two.
We didn't celebrate the Villa goal but when Falcao equalised the two boys jumped up in the air, super excited that Falcao had scored. I gave them a big hug. At that exact moment one woman from one side and one from three rows back jumped out of their seats to screech: 'Kick them out.'
Within a second we were dropped on by two stewards who without any thought whatsoever, no negotiation, no warning and telling us to calm down, said: 'You've got to leave the stadium, guys.' We weren't asked, we were told and booted out of the ground. I apologised to the people around, it brought my boys to tears.
I said 'surely you're joking? Can't we just apologise and promise not to jump up again ... do we really have to go? The stewards said 'you have to leave now or do you want us to get the police?'
The stewards as they were walking us out said 'it could have kicked off'. We were in the family stand. They're seven and nine. It's not going to kick off.
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I don't have a problem with people sitting wherever they want, we've all gone to games with mates who are home fans, or as neutrals, or whatever. But you need to have the common sense to realise passions run high at football matches and that you need to keep your gob shut if you're in the wrong end.
This for me aswell.
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Ban the filth.
The father should be ashamed, teaching children, children to support ManU??
Disgusting.
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I agree. I once had to reprimand a Chelsea fan at Stamford Bridge for letting his son wear a Chelsea shirt with Terry on the back. I told the dad he should be ashamed of himself.
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What was Savage's response on the radio?
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What was Savage's response on the radio?
Ugg. Waffle.
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Does it say "Villa fans only in home areas" or something similar on the tickets still?
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I agree. I once had to reprimand a Chelsea fan at Stamford Bridge for letting his son wear a Chelsea shirt with Terry on the back. I told the dad he should be ashamed of himself.
How long were you in hospital for? And are you OK now?
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Whiny fucking twat. It happens every year and sounds like the stewards tried to do it as nicely as they could. What definitely is not acceptable is a half and half scarf wearing day tripper, sodden with beer but trying to hide his allegiances, puking all over my fucking seat whilst I was downstairs during half time. My seat was filled with a bloody mop bucket when I came back up.
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Has there been any response from the club? Indeed are they obliged to answer?
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I agree. I once had to reprimand a Chelsea fan at Stamford Bridge for letting his son wear a Chelsea shirt with Terry on the back. I told the dad he should be ashamed of himself.
Fairplay. Someone has to stand up for what is right. You can't let a kid walk around like that without saying something to the parents. Animals.
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The only acceptable use for a half and half scarf is as a noose from which to hang the owner.
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Lawrie from Birmingham.
A 'Brummy Red'
It's serves him right for not bringing his kids up properly, glory hunting fucker!
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Has there been any response from the club? Indeed are they obliged to answer?
If they've got any sense they should lay on the full red carpet VIP treatment for another match and get both kids supporting Villa.
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Pathetic of the woman to have complained and for the steward to have chucked them out. I suspect they wouldn't have had the balls to act in this manner if they'd had four big blokes to contend with rather than a mum and dad with two youngsters.
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As a rule I don't pay any attention to anything a Brummie Red has to say on football, because he is a subhuman c***.
I made an exception and read this article and what struck me was how unaware the bloke is of what an epic c*** he is. I am glad the stewards made a couple of little Brummie Yanited piggies cry. Hopefully it puts them off football for life so they won't grow up to be massive c***s like their dad is.
The stewards did them a favour. I haven't seem anybody take a kicking in the Witton Lane since that Nose was bounced off every step. Quite a few were punched in the Lower Holte too. Pity somebody didn't stick one on this bellend so he didn waste licence payers airtime with his fruity rant.
If you're undercover, you keep yore head down. The golden rule.
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This bloke with the help of this article are pushing the line of nasty football club throw out two innocent little children who just want to see their heroes... He has admitted he celebrated.
To me this isn't two children being chucked out, this is one plastic Manc being ejected for being a prat... He had two children who cannot be left in the stadium on their own.
'It was their Christmas present' boo-hoo... there are two games at Old Trafford over the Christmas period and tickets aren't as hard to come by as they were, it's not Villa's problem that the crooks charge a membership fee of about £40 a season before you can even think about buying a ticket....
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Pathetic of the woman to have complained and for the steward to have chucked them out. I suspect they wouldn't have had the balls to act in this manner if they'd had four big blokes to contend with rather than a mum and dad with two youngsters.
That was my first thought as well. Easy to pick on a family who aren't going to react, less easy when it's somebody a bit bigger.
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Thanks to the pissed up, day trip, Man Ure ****** who did this to my seat at half time Saturday. The half and half scarf fucking prick. It was just as well he got thrown out before I got back otherwise I would have killed him.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10540560_1518307715121917_984216818382673763_n.jpg?oh=7d72fe53fface832d2c679c9abafaddb&oe=553AED79&__gda__=1429674917_60af2bdd38ad657a6f4c77e52d157291)
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As a rule I don't pay any attention to anything a Brummie Red has to say on football, because he is a subhuman c***.
I made an exception and read this article and what struck me was how unaware the bloke is of what an epic c*** he is. I am glad the stewards made a couple of little Brummie Yanited piggies cry. Hopefully it puts them off football for life so they won't grow up to be massive c***s like they're dad is.
The stewards did them a favour. I haven't seem anybody take a kicking in the Witton Lane since that Nose was bounced off every step. Quite a few were punched in the Lower Holte too. Pity somebody didn't stick one on this bellend so he didn waste licence payers airtime with his fruity rant.
If you're undercover, you keep yore head down. The golden rule.
I take it you'll be happy if one day someone "sticks one" on you because they don't like the look of you.
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This bloke with the help of this article are pushing the line of nasty football club throw out two innocent little children who just want to see their heroes... He has admitted he celebrated.
Yeah, you can undertstand the kids for getting exited I guess but he should have warned them beforehand to keep a lid on it and told them to be quiet when they celebrated. Instead he basically encouraged them.
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Pathetic of the woman to have complained and for the steward to have chucked them out. I suspect they wouldn't have had the balls to act in this manner if they'd had four big blokes to contend with rather than a mum and dad with two youngsters.
That was my first thought as well. Easy to pick on a family who aren't going to react, less easy when it's somebody a bit bigger.
Over the years i've seen plenty of 'big blokes' rounded on and kicked out. Although they tend to know to keep their gobs shut more than new plastics do.
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Dave Woodhall has it right; encourage the kids to be villa fans and in future there won't be an issue.
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Does it say "Villa fans only in home areas" or something similar on the tickets still?
It says on the back of the tickets that they're only for home fans and away fans will be ejected. It also says on the web site that you're only buying tickets for home fans.
There is a whole other debate about whether we should be able to sit next to opposition fans etc etc, and in an ideal world where so many people weren't fucking idiots, we would be able to, but as it stands, it is really made pretty clear that you sign up to the rules when you buy the ticket.
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This bloke with the help of this article are pushing the line of nasty football club throw out two innocent little children who just want to see their heroes... He has admitted he celebrated.
To me this isn't two children being chucked out, this is one plastic Manc being ejected for being a prat... He had two children who cannot be left in the stadium on their own.
Good point.
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Pathetic of the woman to have complained and for the steward to have chucked them out. I suspect they wouldn't have had the balls to act in this manner if they'd had four big blokes to contend with rather than a mum and dad with two youngsters.
In fairness, I've been at matches against Man United where the stewards have waded in and chucked out reasonably big sized groups of blokes who looked like they'd be trouble if they wanted to.
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I am never in the wrong end giving it the big one. If I were, then somebody would be well within their rights to plant one on me.
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I am never in the wrong end giving it the big one. If I were, then somebody would be well within their rights to plant one on me.
They wouldn't - it's called assault and it's against the law.
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You might get away with it at a corporate plastic casual fan, day out to watch some soccerball, ground like the Emirates but not at most proper grounds. It might work in the half and half scarf World but not at Villa park or most other grounds.
The dad should have known better. You just shouldn't put kids in a position like that. With the best will in the World, you can tell them to not celebrate when Utd score, but they're kids. They can't help themselves and why should they have to? But they should be in among the Utd fans.
No sympathy whatsoever. They should have sat with the Utd fans and I'm sure his Mrs would have been able to refrain from wildly celebrating when Benteke scored.
The dad stated the Steward told him "It might kick off." The dad seemed adamant such a notion was ridiculous but it obviously did kick off a little given someone shouted to send them out.
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Villa's response. Seems quite sensible to me. If you as a parent are so desperate to have your kids support a club from a different part of the country then follow the rules when buying tickets at away grounds. It really isn't that difficult to understand. It's common sense that young kids are probably going to get excited during the game, so it's almost impossible to expect them to keep their emotions in check as you might as an adult. That's partly why the policy is in place.
"The segregation of Villa supporters and fans of opposing teams is necessary for the safety of all fans at Villa Park on a match day, as it is for stadiums across the country," Villa's statement read.
"The policy of the Club, and of all clubs in the Premier League, is that any away fans purchasing tickets to sit in the home area of the stadium are liable to be ejected for their own safety and the safety of the home fans around them. While ejecting any fan from the stadium during a match is a last resort, moving away fans from a home area to the away section is not always feasible and so the decision must be taken to remove those fans instead.
"During the ticket sales process it is made clear several times that any tickets purchased for home areas are for Aston Villa fans only and are purchased on that basis, and all turnstiles for home areas clearly indicate that the areas are for Villa fans only. Opposing fans buying these tickets is a breach of the terms and conditions of entry which are laid out on our website."
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Can't see what the big deal is.
Dickhead Dad with two snivelling runts, knowingly sits in home end and gives it the big one when current preferred glory hunting side score - and gets ejected .
All seems in order .
Bring your kids up right or fuck off .
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I am never in the wrong end giving it the big one. If I were, then somebody would be well within their rights to plant one on me.
They wouldn't - it's called assault and it's against the law.
I could think of plenty of grounds up and down the country where I wouldn't walk out as pretty as I walked in if I acted like "we'll do what we want" brigade. I didn't see any Villa fans being ejected on Saturday either, despite throwing punches as the plastics.
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I have a couple of season tickets in the family stand, and utd is always a bit of an issue, usually with day tripping utd fans being a pain but sometimes with villa fans being a bit precious in my view especially towards the disabled fans, the stewards have always been fair that I have seen and never kicked kids out in all the years I have been there.
I was there on Saturday and did not see anything or anyone kicked out and actually said to the steward on the way out how much better this year it was than the last 3 or 4.
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Villa's response. Seems quite sensible to me. If you as a parent are so desperate to have your kids support a club from a different part of the country then follow the rules when buying tickets at away grounds. It really isn't that difficult to understand. It's common sense that young kids are probably going to get excited during the game, so it's almost impossible to expect them to keep their emotions in check as you might as an adult. That's partly why the policy is in place.
"The segregation of Villa supporters and fans of opposing teams is necessary for the safety of all fans at Villa Park on a match day, as it is for stadiums across the country," Villa's statement read.
"The policy of the Club, and of all clubs in the Premier League, is that any away fans purchasing tickets to sit in the home area of the stadium are liable to be ejected for their own safety and the safety of the home fans around them. While ejecting any fan from the stadium during a match is a last resort, moving away fans from a home area to the away section is not always feasible and so the decision must be taken to remove those fans instead.
"During the ticket sales process it is made clear several times that any tickets purchased for home areas are for Aston Villa fans only and are purchased on that basis, and all turnstiles for home areas clearly indicate that the areas are for Villa fans only. Opposing fans buying these tickets is a breach of the terms and conditions of entry which are laid out on our website."
Spot on.
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His whole story is inconsistent... Kids are in Half way between their moms support of Villa and dads support of Man Utd fans..... but didn't celebrate a Villa goal.
They celebrated a Man Utd goal because they were 'excited' but they weren't excited by the quality of Benteke's....
He's clearly adding bullsh*t to add weight to his claims of unfair treatment
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Has there been any response from the club? Indeed are they obliged to answer?
If they've got any sense they should lay on the full red carpet VIP treatment for another match and get both kids supporting Villa.
You poor soft hearted bastard. These kids are already lost to society. The dad is clearly a career criminal and repeat offender. The wife although fundamentally a good woman clearly is too weak or too smacked around to stand up to him. The children are obviously already destined for a lifetime in and out of corrective institutions.
The stewards really should have called childcare services to get them away from the obviously abusive father but in this PC world sadly they just had to stand and watch the family trudge away, the children already indoctrinated with a credo of pure evil, led to the darkness by the father himself. I daresay the stewards were bawling afterwards after seeing that. I am sure we all feel let down by a world that lets little children become so bad at such a young age.
Gut wrenching.
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I am never in the wrong end giving it the big one. If I were, then somebody would be well within their rights to plant one on me.
They wouldn't - it's called assault and it's against the law.
I could think of plenty of grounds up and down the country where I wouldn't walk out as pretty as I walked in if I acted like "we'll do what we want" brigade. I didn't see any Villa fans being ejected on Saturday either, despite throwing punches as the plastics.
You seem to have a very casual attitude to violence. Let's hope nothing ever happens to make you change your mind.
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There are accepted rules of behaviour that we the fans have decided - making yourself known in the opposition areas when your team score is against the rules.
Manure fans love their reputation for breaking the rules when the "jib" etc, so this bloke either was either ignorant, stupid, arrogant or all three.
There were Utd at the back of the Holte in the first half and it was made clear that they had been sussed and they needed to go to a quieter section after we scored. If they had been there when they equalised it would not have been safe.
The law is being quoted about assault - what about potential breach of the peace by their actions?
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How is that fans quite rightly aren't allowed to come into the home areas of the ground showing away colours yet half n half scarves are allowed?
If stewards started disposing of them maybe it would drive away the sellers from outside the ground. The club themselves don't sell them do they?
Either that or open a Simple Twats section just for the people that want to wear them, where they can spend all game taking photos, filming corners and walking back and forth with trays of chips. Give them a foam finger to stick up their arses too.
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I lack empathy for those calling it on, getting what they wanted. Play on the motorway, you'll get hit by a car.
As far as I can see here, this plastic avoided anything unfortunate happening to him, while the same cannot be said for others, yet he is the one complaining about he stewards.
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Whiny fucking twat. It happens every year and sounds like the stewards tried to do it as nicely as they could. What definitely is not acceptable is a half and half scarf wearing day tripper, sodden with beer but trying to hide his allegiances, puking all over my fucking seat whilst I was downstairs during half time. My seat was filled with a bloody mop bucket when I came back up.
Pleased to see you've finally accepted that I wasn't the culprit.
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I don't think there are words to describe how I feel about half and half scaf wearers.
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I thought half and half scarves were the worst, but at the Leicester game I saw a Villa fan, in his 40, Villa coat on etc, wearing a Villa scarf that also had the badge of every other PL team on it. Why the fuck would you buy and wear a Villa scarf with 19 other club badges on it?
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If we would like to say there is some kind an exception for away fans with children, I am sure every glory hunter without the wit to obtain a ticket in the proper area, or at their own ground, will somehow find a child to hide behind to allow them to sit wherever they like. Not rocket science.
I'm not going to hit an away fan who celebrates near me (however much I might feel like it) - but at the prices we pay, I am entitled to ask that the terms of my ticket are enforced, and that at a moment of abject misery, I don"t have to deal with the idiots next to me leaping 10 feet in the air in celebration.
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There are plenty of non-Villa fans in Birmingham, be they glory-hunting twats, poor unfortunates who've been brought up on the wrong side of the tracks and forced to support Small Heath or those who have moved to Birmingham for work/study purposes but still have affection for the team they left behind.
You can guarantee that there are plenty of non-Villa fans in the home ends at just about every game... probably in reasonable numbers when we play Liverpool, Arsenal, etc. With our poor home form, most of them get to see their team score.
And yet... we only ever have trouble with one team, year on year. The sad day-trippers who couldn't find Manchester on a map, only go to one game a year (two if Small Heath are in the top flight) and can't resist trying to show of their "we're real fans honest" credentials by acting like twats and jumping around, trying to annoy the Villa fans.
They can fuck off.
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He was probably lucky he celebrated in the family stand - what would have happened to him had he hopped up and down at the back of the Holte? He'd have probably been glad of the stewards swift action.
It's not right, but it's the law of a football stadium in England...
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Anyway, I think I've come up with a solution to this father's problem. This is a website I'd be consulting if I had any offspring who wanted to cheer a Manure goal...
http://tinyurl.com/mbsq3cx
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I think the club are spot on. It isn't fair for the villa supporting youngsters in that stand to have to put up with people cheering a goal against us around them.
Stupid decision of the father of the kids. I'm not even getting into the violence thing. It says the area is the family section for home fans only. Pretty clear.
Maybe there could be an area reserved for a neutral area, but currently there isn't. Tough cheese
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I lack empathy for those calling it on, getting what they wanted. Play on the motorway, you'll get hit by a car.
As far as I can see here, this plastic avoided anything unfortunate happening to him, while the same cannot be said for others, yet he is the one complaining about he stewards.
You say you lack empathy for those "getting what they wanted", but would have been happy to see the guardian of two young children getting hit at the game. It was in the family stand, it wasn't like they were all wearing full united kits in the holte singing the cantona song for 90 minutes.
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The family stand is a home stand. When I was a child attending away matches, I wouldn't have put my dad at risk by going out of my way to annoy opposition fans. They obviously haven't been brought up properly.
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They're jumping up and down in the Villa end and he cannot understand why he is being thrown out? The man is a twat.
CD has it right. Man United fans are such try hard look at me types, with their forced boisterous behaviour. "Oooh we all wear black! Yanited! Yanited".
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The family stand is a home stand. When I was a child attending away matches, I wouldn't have put my dad at risk by going out of my way to annoy opposition fans. They obviously haven't been brought up properly.
Going out of their way to annoy opposition fans? Nothing like a bit of hyperbole. One of them is 7, so I think it's fair to say that their attention span and awareness of surroundings wouldn't be too great. Whether the father was right to bring them in the first place is a different argument, but let's not try and turn their actions into something that it really isn't.
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Then their dad should've told them. It's not exactly difficult to say "don't jump up and down if a goal goes in for Manu or we might get chucked out". A poor father blaming the club for his stupidity.
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Maybe there could be an area reserved for a neutral area, but currently there isn't. Tough cheese
Like Fulham have. It always struck me as a bit naff, having a "neutral" section.
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The away end is for celebrating opposition goals at Villa Park. The tickets and the ground regulations are clear.
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Didn't Forest try a mixed fans area? Are they still doing it?
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I've done it the other way round in the Chelsea/Villa 3-3 from (I think) Jan 2011. Brother in law treated a couple of us to corporate hostility and it just happened to be this game. It was a great game and we equalised right at the death and myself and a couple of other Villa fans celebrated to the general bemusement of the Japanese tourists around us. If I hadn't been in the posh seats I would have been a lot quieter (naturally) plus having two more Villa in close proximity helped. Oh and the enormous amounts of beer.
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Would it be that bad if we set aside an area to do the same as Fulham do?
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Maybe there could be an area reserved for a neutral area, but currently there isn't. Tough cheese
Like Fulham have. It always struck me as a bit naff, having a "neutral" section.
If it were a way for us to sell more tickets then I wouldn't be particularly concerned about how 'naff' it was.
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Maybe there could be an area reserved for a neutral area, but currently there isn't. Tough cheese
Like Fulham have. It always struck me as a bit naff, having a "neutral" section.
maybe a neutral family area, then. But one where all parties were aware and happy with the fact that both sets of young fans or families were likely to occupy.
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I noticed that Fulham had a line of segregation on the weekend. Not sure how that works with the way the stand is underneath.
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Another thing... regardless of the ages, allowing opposition fans to celebrate in the home end clearly spoils the day for home fans. Whether away fans are genuinely going out of their way to piss off home fans, or are just celebrating oblivious to the impact of their actions, I don't want to see people jumping up and down next to me just after the gut-wrenching experience of watching my team concede to a team everyone with a soul hates.
I suspect many Villa fans are the same. Certainly judging by the number posting on here that the club were justified in their action and by the large quantity of Villa fans shouting "kick the fuckers out" as similar incidents played out throughout the stadium.
So, as I see it, the club has two choices...
(i) Throw the fans out. Risk annoying a few Man U fans. They may decide to stop making their once-a-year trip to Villa Park for a game which is always close to sell-out anyway.
(ii) Let them get on with it. Risk annoying countless Villa fans who may decide not to attend Villa Park on a regular basis for years to come.
Under what kind of logic would anyone choose option (ii)?
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Regardless of the right general rights and wrongs of going in "the wrong end", as a parent, how big of an arrogant twat do you have to be to take kids in with you. Family area or not, there will always be someone who takes offence if you give yourselves away.
If the kids had just been genuinely excited about being at the game and watching the players on both sides (if they genuinely are half and halfers because of their parents, they should have been jumping about just as much at Benteke's goal) = 99% chance of no problem.
He knew exactly what he was getting into (and what he was potentially taking his kids into), it was pointed out at several stages through the purchasing process and several points at the ground from the turnstiles to their seats. Sorry but no sympathy and no excuses.
In fact you've got to ask the question ig he's stupid (didn't see the potential for problems), arrogant (didn't care about the consequences) or just a coward (hiding behind his kids), or any combination of the 3.
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Would it be that bad if we set aside an area to do the same as Fulham do?
I think it's an accident waiting to happen but not sure. I don't think there would be a problem if we were playing a Fulham type team, but against Small Heath?
Do Fulham still have the neutral end when they play Chelsea? What about against Millwall? This isn't rhetorical, I was wondering if anyone knew.
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Maybe there could be an area reserved for a neutral area, but currently there isn't. Tough cheese
Like Fulham have. It always struck me as a bit naff, having a "neutral" section.
If it were a way for us to sell more tickets then I wouldn't be particularly concerned about how 'naff' it was.
Fair enough - money makes the world go round and that and lots of seats are currently empty. But when good times come around again and some absent Villa fans decide to return, that area is still neutral.
I sat in the neutral zone at Craven Cottage when I couldn't get a ticket for the away end and, yes, it was naff. Silent, atmosphere-free and restrictive (you weren't allowed to demonstrate any allegiance or emotion). I'd hate to see it at Villa Park.
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Maybe there could be an area reserved for a neutral area, but currently there isn't. Tough cheese
Like Fulham have. It always struck me as a bit naff, having a "neutral" section.
If it were a way for us to sell more tickets then I wouldn't be particularly concerned about how 'naff' it was.
Fair enough - money makes the world go round and that and lots of seats are currently empty. But when good times come around again and some absent Villa fans decide to return, that area is still neutral.
I sat in the neutral zone at Craven Cottage when I couldn't get a ticket for the away end and, yes, it was naff. Silent, atmosphere-free and restrictive (you weren't allowed to demonstrate any allegiance or emotion). I'd hate to see it at Villa Park.
That's not how I recall it being when i was in the neutral area.
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Then their dad should've told them. It's not exactly difficult to say "don't jump up and down if a goal goes in for Manu or we might get chucked out". A poor father blaming the club for his stupidity.
I don't think you have kids do you. No matter what you tell a seven year old, he/she will do one of two things: the complete opposite or ignore what you have said altogether.
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Anyone with an ounce of common sense or who regularly attends football matches would know to keep their gobs shut. Personally I don't have a problem; even with adult supporters; but there are plenty of people who do. Normal, mild mannered, sensible blokes turn into raging nutters when confronted with with away supports celebrating.
I'd never have put my kids in that situation without telling them to keep it shut in Utd score. They're 'between the two' but didn't celebrate Benteke's goal but did the Utd one, bollocks. The tickets are sold to home supporters only so stop fucking moaning. Stewards acted correctly, perhaps they'd have preferred a slap in the mouth.
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If I had kids I wouldn't bring them up to be glory-hunting filth. And I think if you tell a child "don't go mad or somebody might try to fight Daddy" most would have the common sense to behave. If they can't take in such a simple message, they shouldn't be brought to the game till they're older.
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This is exactly why I didn't take my neighbour's ManU supporting 9 year old....didn't tell him, thought about it, weighed it up, decided no.
My neighbour wouldn't take him because he's a twat - the neighbour, not the kid! - he just likes "the football" apparently.
In an attempt to make up for it I gave the boy my programme and told him that a lot of lovely Villa fans were singing a song for Ashley Young.
Heard the ManU dad on Sat night and thought he was a whinging wanker then...nice to see that, after reading these 5 pages, I am right.
Must break it to the other half!
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When Fulham play Chelsea, he whole end is given over to the away fans.
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I can't help but wonder why in a 21st century society we still have people who insist on getting violently upset over things as utterly meaningless as this. If such a trivial thing infuriates you then it's probably best if you never leave the house. Or turn on the TV. Or read a newspaper. etc etc
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If I had kids I wouldn't bring them up to be glory-hunting filth. And I think if you tell a child "don't go mad or somebody might try to fight Daddy" most would have the common sense to behave. If they can't take in such a simple message, they shouldn't be brought to the game till they're older.
A 7 year old definitely has the capacity to forget, especially in the heat of the moment. I wouldn't disagree with you on waiting til they're older though, particularly if the seats are in the "wrong" end, but in any event i was originally taking issue with your assertion that they were going out of their way to annoy home fans, which is clearly nonsense.
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Then their dad should've told them. It's not exactly difficult to say "don't jump up and down if a goal goes in for Manu or we might get chucked out". A poor father blaming the club for his stupidity.
I don't think you have kids do you. No matter what you tell a seven year old, he/she will do one of two things: the complete opposite or ignore what you have said altogether.
Well in that case he should have known the likely outcome of celebrating a man u goal with his kids against the Villa, at Villa Park, in the Villa fans end. I'm struggling to have sympathy really. As others have said; he's either stupid not to realise the possible consequences of his actions, or he's arrogant and didn't give a fuck.
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I'm willing to wager that on this particularly instance it's stupidity.
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Maybe there could be an area reserved for a neutral area, but currently there isn't. Tough cheese
Like Fulham have. It always struck me as a bit naff, having a "neutral" section.
There could be logic to it.
On the proviso that stewards can then take a flamethrower to any of the plastics caught in the Holte or Trinity.
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I was talking about Man U fans generally. Many do go out of their way to act like twats. I qualified it in a subsequent post by saying that whether they are on a deliberate wind-up, or just genuinely caught up in the moment, their actions have the capacity to piss off home fans.
Catering to the whims and needs of regular customers should come well ahead of trying not to upset once-a-year attendees on the club's priority list.
As it does, so all is well.
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He called a radio show oblivious to his stupidity. Arrogance certainly comes into it.
The Noses are only getting 13k attendances because of whoppers like him.
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I was talking about Man U fans generally. Many do go out of their way to act like twats. I qualified it in a subsequent post by saying that whether they are on a deliberate wind-up, or just genuinely caught up in the moment, their actions have the capacity to piss off home fans.
Catering to the whims and needs of regular customers should come well ahead of trying not to upset once-a-year attendees on the club's priority list.
As it does, so all is well.
Fair enough, and I'd agree with you that they do have an enormous amount of arseholes that follow them.
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half and half scarfs really get me had a fan close to me in the trinity lower with the manure badge on top i think a manure fan for def. hate half and half ban them
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Noses fans are vastly superior to "brummie reds".
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Whenever I've been to Fulham in recent years the "away" area has always included a scattering of Fulham fans...so always assumed that the "neutral" area was in with/next to/part of the "away" area anyway.
I think we had more problems with Arse fans at VP this season than the plasticmancs on Saturday - a fair scattering of Arse colours/shirts and a very vociferous one in the box behind me, who continued to wear his Arse hat and even resorted to flicking the V and wanky action at us at the end of the game - no action from stewards at all!
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I can't help but wonder why in a 21st century society we still have people who insist on getting violently upset over things as utterly meaningless as this. If such a trivial thing infuriates you then it's probably best if you never leave the house. Or turn on the TV. Or read a newspaper. etc etc
I absolutely agree in this case.
But it's very much a grey area issue. I'd like to think that if it were seven year old kids getting excited then I would tut and shake my head rather than whinge to the stewards. If it were three or four blokes in their twenties then I could see myself getting upset to the point of getting a bit mouthy.
So I suppose it depends if you consider both the examples above as trivial. Are they the same thing? Presumably there is a line that is drawn somewhere.
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half and half scarfs really get me had a fan close to me in the trinity lower with the manure badge on top i think a manure fan for def. hate half and half ban them
I saw quite a few of them 50/50 scarfs saturday. They are repulsive.
Mind you we had some from the Uefa games - Ajax , hamburg etc that were quite nice .
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Whiny fucking twat. It happens every year and sounds like the stewards tried to do it as nicely as they could. What definitely is not acceptable is a half and half scarf wearing day tripper, sodden with beer but trying to hide his allegiances, puking all over my fucking seat whilst I was downstairs during half time. My seat was filled with a bloody mop bucket when I came back up.
Pleased to see you've finally accepted that I wasn't the culprit.
Not accepted. I might be blaming the proles but have made a freedom of information request for their CCTV footage to see if it was you, in your 50/50 scarf, that did the honking.
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Then their dad should've told them. It's not exactly difficult to say "don't jump up and down if a goal goes in for Manu or we might get chucked out". A poor father blaming the club for his stupidity.
I don't think you have kids do you. No matter what you tell a seven year old, he/she will do one of two things: the complete opposite or ignore what you have said altogether.
Well in thaThen their dad should've told them. It's not exactly difficult to say "don't jump up and down if a goal goes in for Manu or we might get chucked out". A poor father blaming the club for his stupidity.
I don't think you have kids do you. No matter what you tell a seven year old, he/she will do one of two things: the complete opposite or ignore what you have said altogether.
Well in that case he should have known the likely outcome of celebrating a man u goal with his kids against the Villa, at Villa Park, in the Villa fans end. I'm struggling to have sympathy really. As others have said; he's either stupid not to realise the possible consequences of his actions, or he's arrogant and didn't give a fuck.
case he should have known the likely outcome of celebrating a man u goal with his kids against the Villa, at Villa Park, in the Villa fans end. I'm struggling to have sympathy really. As others have said; he's either stupid not to realise the possible consequences of his actions, or he's arrogant and didn't give a fuck.
Are you really trying to say that you can tell a child to curb his excitement? The kids know no better, as has been repeatedly said on this thread, it's the fault of the father. Storm in a teacup.
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Noses fans are vastly superior to "brummie reds".
Absolutely. With the exception of those who care more about Villa losing than they do their own team winning (which is, admittedly, a large proportion of them) I'd far rather talk to a Small Heath fan about football than a person who chooses a team purely based on where they are in the league.
If I asked about somebody's taste in music and they said "I like whichever band is top of the charts" or if I discussed politics and they said that they "liked whichever party won the last election" I would be quite within my rights to consider them a cretinous imbecile with no intelligence or self-worth and not worthy of talking to. That's exactly how I feel about glory-hunting football "supporters".
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Many many times I've sat in the home end at Arsenal and Stoke when we've played there.
I do get mildly excited when we score but normally do a fist pump with my hands in my coat pockets if you get me.
To me I liken it to when you visit someone's house, you generally abide by their rules e.g. shoes off at the door so yeah I don't think going mental and making it obvious you support the away team in a home area is the brightest thing to do.
Problem is so many of these are people who go to one game a season and generally don't realise this. Those that do and take the mick deserve all they get within reason.
This reminds me of a funny story I read a while ago. A West Ham fan was sitting in the home stand at Chelsea. West Ham were getting battered 5 nil but scored a consolation. Bloke next to him got up and went mental so said fan thinking he was West Ham did the same. Cue funny looks and abuse.
The bloke next to him then loudly said "right I put a fiver on Chelsea winning 5-1 today! What's your excuse?!" Think he made a swift exit!
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So I suppose it depends if you consider both the examples above as trivial. Are they the same thing? Presumably there is a line that is drawn somewhere.
I guess if the stewards judge that whoever's doing it is doing it expressly to provoke the home fans then they should chuck them out, for safety reasons. But my point really was that it's kind of depressing that people have so little tolerance and / or self-control that they have to be segregated in the first place.
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I started attending games at eight so not much older. If my dad had said "don't jump up and down if we score or I might get beaten up or we might get thrown out" I'd have done so. I don't blame the child (although he'll no doubt grow up to be a Brummie Red bellend).
I strongly suspect that, not only did the dad not warn them to temper their celebrations, but he actively encouraged them. The pathetic glory-hunting-hiding-behind-his-kids twat.
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So he says the lads are in between but didn't encourage them to celebrate Villa goal but obviously went mental on their equaliser and the lads followed. Deserved everything he got IMO.
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In my experience kids are really good at knowing better...they love rules and guidelines and will gladly tell the world and his mother about anyone who breaks them...but the parent needs to exercise a bit of responsibility.
He didn't and he's trying to blame AVFC for being unreasonable, and has shot himself in the foot on the process.
He bought tickets and chose to ignore the rules.
That's his fault, but the arrogant twat can't see it.
Just hope the kids' teachers are educating them better than he is.
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So he says the lads are in between but didn't encourage them to celebrate Villa goal but obviously went mental on their equaliser and the lads followed. Deserved everything he got IMO.
That's harsh. These are little children we are talking about here and they're in the family stand !
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I agree FMWMU, to a point. What we're discussing here is not the fact that the father is a knob, that's accepted. I'm sure the kids were well behaved and for the most part did what their parents told them but, they are in a charged atmosphere and, as much as nobody likes the idea of Brummie Reds or whatever their team scored and they got caught up in the excitement. What were they expected to do?
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I agree FMWMU, to a point. What we're discussing here is not the fact that the father is a knob, that's accepted. I'm sure the kids were well behaved and for the most part did what their parents told them but, they are in a charged atmosphere and, as much as nobody likes the idea of Brummie Reds or whatever their team scored and they got caught up in the excitement. What were they expected to do?
What their dad had told them to do beforehand, if he was a responsible parent.
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So he says the lads are in between but didn't encourage them to celebrate Villa goal but obviously went mental on their equaliser and the lads followed. Deserved everything he got IMO.
That's harsh. These are little children we are talking about here and they're in the family stand !
The family stand is for families of Villa supporters.
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I just had a chat with the wife about this and she had exactly the same view as me. That the father was daft for putting his kids in that situation. She has been to home and away matches with me, and said there's no way she would let me take our son in the home end for an away match. An away match full stop until he was at least 15. That in itself is a shame I agree.
She also said a neutral family section would make her feel much more comfortable with it all. You never know. A generation of kids used to sitting next to each other watching the match may mean less violence. I guess this also relies on the grown ups being just that.
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Are you really trying to say that you can tell a child to curb his excitement? The kids know no better, as has been repeatedly said on this thread, it's the fault of the father. Storm in a teacup.
No, but he should have known the likely effect of a man u goal on his kids. I'd say he did, what with being their dad, and went along with them anyway. It's totally his own fault for taking excitible young Manchester United fans into the Villa end. Perhaps he can get them a different football Christmas present next year, take them to Old Trafford, to see the team they clearly support, and not put his own kids in such a position.
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Are you really trying to say that you can tell a child to curb his excitement? The kids know no better, as has been repeatedly said on this thread, it's the fault of the father. Storm in a teacup.
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Yes you can tell them - they won't know any better till you do. I was certainly taught there's a time & place for certain behaviours when I was a child. Yes they might forget, but then you can remind them. This Dad could have told them to sit back down quickly and apologised to the fans around him - he could even made some joke about trying everything to get them to support The Villa 'kids today eh?' - & he probably would have got away with it.
He 'gave them a hug' instead because HE couldn't curb HIS excitement. He had no respect for the fact that it is very clear that he and his kids shouldn't have been there. Elsewhere in the ground, without his kids, rightly or wrongly this would have been very risky behaviour for him. So basically - he expects to be able to use his children as a human shield and yet it is us that are scum!
Arrogance I call it - and you know the most telling line for that arrogance....'We promised we wouldn't jump up and down again' - Funny how he was so sure they'd have cause to - even funnier that even if they'd stayed they didn't.
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He's obviously a lying twat. As I said on page one, he claims his kids are "inbetween" Villa and Manure, and yet him and both kids only celebrated the Manure goal.
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I agree FMWMU, to a point. What we're discussing here is not the fact that the father is a knob, that's accepted. I'm sure the kids were well behaved and for the most part did what their parents told them but, they are in a charged atmosphere and, as much as nobody likes the idea of Brummie Reds or whatever their team scored and they got caught up in the excitement. What were they expected to do?
What their dad had told them to do beforehand, if he was a responsible parent.
Which was the point of my earlier post really - I considered taking the twatty neighbour's kid and decided not to...I didn't want him - or me - to be in a vulnerable/awkward situation...and I know all the regulars around me very well. In an away area...?
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I'm sure there's an argument for it and anything that promotes a trouble-free experience is welcome, but a whole section of fans sitting side by side and not one of them genuinely invested in what happens - doesn't it take away the essence of attending a game? What keeps you interested throughout a lifeless 0-0?
I started going as a six-year-old in the mid-'80s and football hooliganism was pretty horrible then and the Holte was an all-standing behemoth where a home goal created a melee, even when it was half full. It was scary and exhilirating and I stayed safe because my dad and my brothers told me and showed me what I had to do and made sure I did it.
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I'm sure there's an argument for it and anything that promotes a trouble-free experience is welcome, but a whole section of fans sitting side by side and not one of them genuinely invested in what happens - doesn't it take away the essence of attending a game? What keeps you interested throughout a lifeless 0-0?
I started going as a six-year-old in the mid-'80s and football hooliganism was pretty horrible then and the Holte was an all-standing behemoth where a home goal created a melee, even when it was half full. It was scary and exhilirating and I stayed safe because my dad and my brothers told me and showed me what I had to do and made sure I did it.
that's not what I'm saying. Goals for both sides would be celebrated. Colours could be worn, and everyone in that section behaved themselves or they'd be ejected
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Well, that would be great. Unlikely, but great.
A bit like the Everton-Liverpool FA Cup finals of the '80s, where families and friends all sat together in shirts of both clubs. Or was it all media myth-making? Certainly seemed to be that way.
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Why doesn't he get a season ticket up there, go to away games and build up the points to get tickets from the ballot?
What's that? You can't afford it? Too expensive up there? I wonder whose fault it is for making it too pricy? You day tripping Brummie Red shit bag.
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He's obviously a lying twat. As I said on page one, he claims his cards are "inbetween" Villa and Manure, and yet him and both kids only celebrated the Manure goal.
Yes and that is because the f*cker is moulding them in to Manu only without their mum there. As I said kids follow him and his face was prob full of thunder when we scored so the kids were hardly going to celebrate where as when they scored.....
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I'm sure there's an argument for it and anything that promotes a trouble-free experience is welcome, but a whole section of fans sitting side by side and not one of them genuinely invested in what happens - doesn't it take away the essence of attending a game? What keeps you interested throughout a lifeless 0-0?
I started going as a six-year-old in the mid-'80s and football hooliganism was pretty horrible then and the Holte was an all-standing behemoth where a home goal created a melee, even when it was half full. It was scary and exhilirating and I stayed safe because my dad and my brothers told me and showed me what I had to do and made sure I did it.
Nearly posted something similar earlier - brother took me to games when I was 5/6/7 and then we moved to Tamworth and I started going again when I was about 10 - sometimes on my own. Later in a group. I could've taken my gran in the 70s - I knew exactly where to go and not to go to avoid "bovver".
If the ManU dad wants to take his kids anywhere he likes, ignore all the rules and advice but expect everyone else to make allowances for him then he's not doing his own kids any favours.
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I'm sure there's an argument for it and anything that promotes a trouble-free experience is welcome, but a whole section of fans sitting side by side and not one of them genuinely invested in what happens - doesn't it take away the essence of attending a game? What keeps you interested throughout a lifeless 0-0?
I started going as a six-year-old in the mid-'80s and football hooliganism was pretty horrible then and the Holte was an all-standing behemoth where a home goal created a melee, even when it was half full. It was scary and exhilirating and I stayed safe because my dad and my brothers told me and showed me what I had to do and made sure I did it.
See Fulham neutral end .
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The neutral end works at Fulham because it's Fulham.
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I'd like to hear this radio phone call to be honest.
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Why doesn't he get a season ticket up there, go to away games and build up the points to get tickets from the ballot?
What's that? You can't afford it? Too expensive up there? I wonder whose fault it is for making it too pricy? You day tripping Brummie Red shit bag.
Exactly what I thought about the Christmas present angle.
If I was a Villa fan living in Manchester and I wanted to give my kids a special treat I think I'd take them to Villa Park - make a full-day experience of it and get seats with thousands of home fans. They'd love being surrounded by fellow Villains!
It takes very little reading between the lines to realise that this bloke is a complete twat.
I hope and pray that his kids don't grow up with the same "the world owes me" kind of attitude.
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The neutral end works at Fulham because it's Fulham.
Presumably if we had a similar section then it just wouldn't work because we wouldn't be able to make it through the match without 'sticking one on' somebody?
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The neutral end works at Fulham because it's Fulham.
Presumably if we had a similar section then it just wouldn't work because we wouldn't be able to make it through the match without 'sticking one on' somebody?
More the fact that we don't really have neutrals at Villa Park. We're not in the World's most-visited tourist city, full of people who just want to see a football game. I expect the attraction factor has diminished since they stopped being in the Premier League, but even so.
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Definitely. We would have to call it the windmill end. You'd get a discount if you bring an iPad or a copy of Fever Pitch to get in.
Dave was being trite CD. But as you say, Fulham's match day attendance is made up of a lot tourists anyway, so with Fulham being one of the friendlier clubs, it makes sense. It might work at Arsenal, but none of the other London clubs.
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Anyway, neutral end does sound really lame.
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By all means sit wherever you like. I'm not a hypocrite, I've been in the home end at away grounds loads of times - obviously when it's been the only option of seeing the game - but it's very irresponsible to put your kids in that situation. They're too young to understand the consequences of cheering when they really shouldn't. He knew full well what the outcome would be. His fault entirely.
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The neutral end works at Fulham because it's Fulham.
Presumably if we had a similar section then it just wouldn't work because we wouldn't be able to make it through the match without 'sticking one on' somebody?
More the fact that we don't really have neutrals at Villa Park. We're not in the World's most-visited tourist city, full of people who just want to see a football game. I expect the attraction factor has diminished since they stopped being in the Premier League, but even so.
We get a lot of day trippers. It wasn't until I was selling the fanzine and was stood outside the ground for 2 hours before KO that I realised just how many we do get.
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Definitely. We would have to call it the windmill end. You'd get a discount if you bring an iPad or a copy of Fever Pitch to get in.
Dave was being trite CD. But as you say, Fulham's match day attendance is made up of a lot tourists anyway, so with Fulham being one of the friendlier clubs, it makes sense. It might work at Arsenal, but none of the other London clubs.
I wouldn't be surprised if West Ham do a neutral section when they move.
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I'd like to hear this radio phone call to be honest.
Not available on podcast?
He came across to me as a whinging, middle class, outraged Mr Angry - complaining that his day out at VP - where he fully expected HIS team to win (see his comments) - was spoilt because his team didn't win (had he promised his kids they would?). Their ejection provided him with the perfect opportunity to express his feelings covertly about being totally caught out at being a "fun" parent but actually having no idea what he was doing. And, of course, when it went tits up, it was all someone else's fault
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Definitely. We would have to call it the windmill end. You'd get a discount if you bring an iPad or a copy of Fever Pitch to get in.
Dave was being trite CD. But as you say, Fulham's match day attendance is made up of a lot tourists anyway, so with Fulham being one of the friendlier clubs, it makes sense. It might work at Arsenal, but none of the other London clubs.
I wouldn't be surprised if West Ham do a neutral section when they move.
You might be right. It will be interesting to see if their support becomes diluted and gentrified in what will be another lifeless bowl of a ground. I expect the place to be a big tourist attraction. Not sure how neutral the neutral end would be when them cants from Tottenham/Chelsea or sarf of the river, come to play though.
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Anyway, neutral end does sound really lame.
All together now, whoever you support:
"We are the famous, the famous Neutral End..."
"Yippee Aye Ay, Yippee Aye Ooooooooo....Neutral Enders in the sky...."
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Anyway, neutral end does sound really lame.
All together now, whoever you support:
"We are the famous, the famous Neutral End..."
"Yippee Aye Ay, Yippee Aye Ooooooooo....Neutral Enders in the sky...."
'We're not singing anymore.'
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A lot of this has to do with which clubs they support - I can remember sitting right next to Bilbao fans and the only thing that went between us was a carafe of wine and hearty handshakes.
Sat in the Trinity when Liverpool beat us 2-0 and there were two kids with their little red tops on under their anoraks. Their Dad was shitting it because he wasn't a footie fan - did we batter him and the kids? No - because when they scored the lad simply let out a little "yessss" and then sat still. The Dad and I exchanged glances and I smiled and we carried on, he even asked if I would keep an eye on them when he went to get drinks etc at half-time.
The same season there was trouble in the Lower Holte when that Manure fan got his daughter to take off her coat to reveal their shirt - when asked to cover up he began ranting that his daughter was being threatened until somebody pointed out it was about to become him being threatened. Sound familiar? The Red lads in front of us in the Holte on Saturday were informed it was in their best interests to watch from another part of the ground and they left - no violence just sensible action.
We have this discussion every year when we play Manure - the clubs rules say stay out of the home areas and our fan culture says stay out of the home areas - do they get the message?
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We have this discussion every year when we play Manure - the clubs rules say stay out of the home areas and our fan culture says stay out of the home areas - do they get the message?
This 1000%
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I think there's an element of respect. If someone's come from Bilbao to support his team, you think fair enough.
However, we all know the sort of folk who claim to "support" Man U but have never been anywhere near the sullen, moody, one-horse cotton town, have thick Brummie accents and look down their nose at the idea of cheering for a team that isn't guaranteed a trophy at least every couple of seasons. We have no respect for them, nor should we.
I go to Villa Park to sit with like-minded misery-arses and don't expect to have my day spoiled by people enjoying themselves!
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I go to Villa Park to sit with like-minded misery-arses and don't expect to have my day spoiled by people enjoying themselves!
Agree.
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Many years ago when our season tickets were in the upper Holte, Man City scored and 2 blokes jumped up a few row in front of us and looked like they were celebrating, I was pissed so took it upon myself to make everyone aware around me that they were city fans, after about 60 people unleashed all forms of abuse on the blokes the stewards moved in to cart them out, much to the joy of my ever increasing army of followers.
Much to my embarresment the two blokes produced their season tickets and began waving them in our direction, they were angry at the defensive error that caused the goal........well didn't I just die.
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I go to Villa Park to sit with like-minded misery-arses and don't expect to have my day spoiled by people enjoying themselves!
Agree.
times 2!
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Many years ago when our season tickets were in the upper Holte, Man City scored and 2 blokes jumped up a few row in front of us and looked like they were celebrating, I was pissed so took it upon myself to make everyone aware around me that they were city fans, after about 60 people unleashed all forms of abuse on the blokes the stewards moved in to cart them out, much to the joy of my ever increasing army of followers.
Much to my embarresment the two blokes produced their season tickets and began waving them in our direction, they were angry at the defensive error that caused the goal........well didn't I just die.
Better ten innocent men hang than one guilty go free! :D
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I go to Villa Park to sit with like-minded misery-arses and don't expect to have my day spoiled by people enjoying themselves!
Agree.
times 2!
Add everyone in the lower trinity .
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I assume this will come down to personal choice, but I admit to being bemused by the notion of sitting in the opposition's end. How can you actually enjoy the game knowing the only positive reaction to a negative event can waste your time, money and carries the risk of harm? Unless it was, say, an FA Cup or European Cup Final, there is no game big enough where I wouldn't just say "screw it" and follow it at home if I couldn't get a ticket with Villa fans next to me. It just seems really pointless to me.
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Bollocks to them. The dad knew he wasn't allowed to buy tickets in the Villa end for away fans yet he still went ahead with it. It's his fault and not Villa's.
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My mate's a steward in the Trinity Rd Stand. He was saying that the club knew that there was a chance that there would be quite a few, so when they saw a Utd fan they were told to 'Hide their colours and don't celebrate if Utd score'
I can assume that this was all over the ground.
There were a few by me, you could guess who, as they were the ones filming on their phones, and in fairness were very good.
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There was a group of irish lads near me in the North and it was obvious they were Man Utd fans. It's a sad fact of life I'm afraid. The world is infested with them.
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There was a group of irish lads near me in the North and it was obvious they were Man Utd fans. It's a sad fact of life I'm afraid. The world is infested with them.
Just like rats, you are never more than a few feet from one.
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The guy was surely in breach of contract. The T's and c's state quite clearly that the area he was sitting in is for home fans only. All grounds are very strict about this. This happens every time Villa play Utd.
I have been in the away end a few times up at Bolton for the LC semi, at Chelsea twice, at Wembley for the FA Cup semi final again V Bolton etc etc, I have always just kept my gob shut and watched the game, stood up when everyone else did and just didn't make it obvious. I have never had trouble. Saved the celebrations for the car trip home! ( rare celebrations)
Last year at Arsenal I was in with the Villa away fans and a guy sat by us with a kid in full Arsenal kit!, he was asked to leave by the Arsenal stewards. Expect the Daily mail will say what a cruel club we are and how we have chucked out kids for their special Xmas treat.
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Bollocks to them. The dad knew he wasn't allowed to buy tickets in the Villa end for away fans yet he still went ahead with it. It's his fault and not Villa's.
My point exactly.
He ignored the rules and then said it was somebody else's fault that his boys' day was spoilt.
What will he do on Christmas Day?
Look up the chimney accusingly?
Write a letter of complaint to the North Pole?
Shoot the reindeer?
Complete and utter twunt!
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They're jumping up and down in the Villa end and he cannot understand why he is being thrown out? The man is a twat.
CD has it right. Man United fans are such try hard look at me types, with their forced boisterous behaviour. "Oooh we all wear black! Yanited! Yanited".
It's like the entire club is built on small man syndrome.
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Many years ago when our season tickets were in the upper Holte, Man City scored and 2 blokes jumped up a few row in front of us and looked like they were celebrating, I was pissed so took it upon myself to make everyone aware around me that they were city fans, after about 60 people unleashed all forms of abuse on the blokes the stewards moved in to cart them out, much to the joy of my ever increasing army of followers.
Much to my embarresment the two blokes produced their season tickets and began waving them in our direction, they were angry at the defensive error that caused the goal........well didn't I just die.
haha ffs
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I am intrigued as to how this misguided chap got hold of the tickets in that section of the ground. I thought you had to have a Customer Number and a purchase history for this class of game.
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I'd like to hear this radio phone call to be honest.
Not available on podcast?
He came across to me as a whinging, middle class, outraged Mr Angry - complaining that his day out at VP - where he fully expected HIS team to win (see his comments) - was spoilt because his team didn't win (had he promised his kids they would?). Their ejection provided him with the perfect opportunity to express his feelings covertly about being totally caught out at being a "fun" parent but actually having no idea what he was doing. And, of course, when it went tits up, it was all someone else's fault
Didn't think to check.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/606
Got it on now, anyone know how far in it was?
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There were a few in front of us on Saturday. We made sure they celebrated when Benteke scored, and didn't celebrate the equaliser. Apart from that they just sat muttering to each other and eating a family bag of Skittles. So they might as well have been Villa fans, and I managed to keep my self- righteous indignation in check.
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I am intrigued as to how this misguided chap got hold of the tickets in that section of the ground. I thought you had to have a Customer Number and a purchase history for this class of game.
You do indeed. A work-colleague of mine (ManYoo) asked me to use my booking history to get tickets for him and his son as he wasn't able to get them without a booking history.
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Another reason why said Manure fan is a twat. It sounds like a Villa fan has done him a favour by lending him his booking reference, and he's abused that by getting himself chucked out. Could they ban the Villa fan for using his reference for a Man U fan?
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Him and his whole family deserved to be thrown out just because he uses the term "super excited".
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Of course, this wouldn't be a problem if we could go back to beating them regularly. Manchester United supporters are welcome to come and see their team get walloped. Apart from anything else, you'd never know they were there
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There were a few in the lower Trinity to the right of the tunnel I think. Couldn't quite make out what was going on, but there was lots of pointing to the away end followed by shouts of "get 'em out". Thought it was gonna kick off at one stage!
Anyway, my stance is that if you have to sit in the home end for whatever reason, don't act like a twat. Man Utd fans are the worst for it to be fair.
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As a mature, sensible adult, I would say that it's a shame that people can't just watch a game in the company of other like minded folk who happen to support the other team and be tolerant of their joy in their side's success. Having said that, I leave my mature, sensible side at the door when I enter the ground and if you haven't the sense to appraise yourself of the environment you are entering and modified your behaviour accordingly then do not complain about the consequences. You wouldn't wear a mankini on dress down Friday without finding out if it was acceptable attire and the same applies to your fucking half and half scarf. No sympathy beyond the type one reserves for children who have been dragged not brought up in this manner.
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Few people have touched on the real matter at hand here - the fact that this bloke is a Man United fan from Birmingham.
Once I hear those five words in that sequence, I don't really care what happens to you.
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Few people have touched on the real matter at hand here - the fact that this bloke is a Man United fan from Birmingham.
Once I hear those five words in that sequence, I don't really care what happens to you.
Insert Liverpool where Man United and express the same if not greater level of disdain
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No winners here is there?
Firstly, we have this Clark W Griswold of a Dad who simply wanted to take his family out for a Christmas treat. Despite the fact that he's probably a decent husband and father, he's also a deluded, arrogant cock of a man, who believes he can ride roughshod over the club's terms and rules over away fans and clearly had no real understanding of what happens when you go into the home fans end. I would be astonished if at least one person, prior to match day, had not warned him to be careful when sitting in the wrong end. Clearly, this prick thought he knew best.
Then you have the club who knew full well that the place was going to have large pockets of away fans. You'd think they'd be a bit stricter on ticket sales, but when you can't sell out for games like Man City and Arsenal, can you really blame them for taking the money? After all, the purchaser buys the ticket at their own risk. I believe that game was booking history only, so plenty of home fans would have helped their mates out. So who is to blame for that?
Lastly, and worst of all in my book, we have these pathetic wailing banshees that go ballistic every time they spot away fans. In this case it was the family stand. I've never been in this area, but I would expect it to be populated by sensible human beings, not the sort of slack jawed idiots that we see at many away games. The Dad was a dick, an absolute imbecile, but having a go at kids is out of order and those involved should take a bit of a look at themselves.
In any case, if you're going to take the risk, shut the fuck up.
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I'm sure we'd get a welcoming reception from the glory hunting fuckers if one of use was ignorant enough to try the same thing at Old Trafford.
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Ere, lads.
I only go a few times a season (but was there on Saturday) Is it safe to take my eight-year old Charlton supporting daughter to Sunderland?
Back on topic, I don't think there is anything wrong with a family taking thief kids to a home game as visitors. It's nice they're actually taking their kids to a match instead of not watching it on TV (which despite a 3pm kick off, they could have).
But he should have behaved better, and told his kids how to behave. As my dad did all the times he took me in the home end at Highfeild Road when we were there as a kid.
There's no problem sitting with the home fans if you show a little common sense.
(Yes, I have taken my daughter before. She liked Özil because "he won the World Cup, so he must be quite good".) Kept it quiet until we got home. Agreed with her, though)
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You have to ask your self, would you take your kids in the same circumstances to Old Trafford?
For me the answer is a resounding no and I am pretty sure everybody on here is the same.
The bloke knew he was in the wrong and the club acted responsibly as soon as there was an issue.
I have seen Lplop dads and kids marching into the trinity all attired in the red shirts and acting as if they own the place.
Well done the stewards for dealing with this matter correctly.
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Only if your in the middle of the Spion with a loaded AK47, that is entirely allowable.
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I have seen Lplop dads and kids marching into the trinity all attired in the red shirts and acting as if they own the place.
Well done the stewards for dealing with this matter correctly.
Walked into the Upper Holte last season to be confronted by a bloke with a Gerrard shirt arguing (in a Brummie accent) that he had paid for his ticket so should be allowed in - he had a 10 year old girl with him. The stewards were quite reasonably explaining this was not a good idea.
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I have seen Lplop dads and kids marching into the trinity all attired in the red shirts and acting as if they own the place.
Well done the stewards for dealing with this matter correctly.
Walked into the Upper Holte last season to be confronted by a bloke with a Gerrard shirt arguing (in a Brummie accent) that he had paid for his ticket so should be allowed in - he had a 10 year old girl with him. The stewards were quite reasonably explaining this was not a good idea.
Jeez, what a pillock. If it wasn't for the fact he had a 10 yr old with him, you'd almost want to see him let in so he could enjoy 90 mins of getting absolute dogs abuse.
But that's the problem with glory hunters, they think the armchair experience of supporting a winning team and the cringe worthy Tyledesley style commentry gives them the arrogance to think they can pull a stunt like that and everyone will just accept them as some kind of elite supporter.
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Has the Villa-supporting wife divorced the ijiit yet?
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Few people have touched on the real matter at hand here - the fact that this bloke is a Man United fan from Birmingham.
Once I hear those five words in that sequence, I don't really care what happens to you.
Brummie Reds = Sty dwellers in disguise.
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Few people have touched on the real matter at hand here - the fact that this bloke is a Man United fan from Birmingham.
Once I hear those five words in that sequence, I don't really care what happens to you.
When I hear the term Brummie Red, I think of the woodchipper in Fargo.
Hanging is too good for 'em!
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It's about respect
I have been in many a home section in the past and you have to have respect for your surroundings. If you want to celebrate a goal then go ahead but be prepared for what may follow. Or just keep quite and enjoy being undercover.
The 'modern' fan has no concept of respect and of the rules of the game for supporters (especially glory huntung red fuckers) so think they can sit where they like and do what they like and then moan like that fucker did when it turns out they can't
Wankers the lot of them
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I've never been in this area, but I would expect it to be populated by sensible human beings, not the sort of slack jawed idiots that we see at many away games.
I was in there for a game against Bolton a few years ago. It was pissing with rain and it was a miserable game, so nobody was really enjoying it, apart from some loud-mouthed twat who had his middle-aged harpy partner with him and was surrounded by grinning idiots who obviously indulged him as a 'character'. When one bloke quite reasonably asked him to keep the f's and c's to a minimum, he got a verbal mauling so severe that he and his family got up and left.
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Him and his whole family deserved to be thrown out just because he uses the term "super excited".
Exactly
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No winners here is there?
Firstly, we have this Clark W Griswold of a Dad who simply wanted to take his family out for a Christmas treat. Despite the fact that he's probably a decent husband and father, he's also a deluded, arrogant cock of a man, who believes he can ride roughshod over the club's terms and rules over away fans and clearly had no real understanding of what happens when you go into the home fans end. I would be astonished if at least one person, prior to match day, had not warned him to be careful when sitting in the wrong end. Clearly, this prick thought he knew best.
Then you have the club who knew full well that the place was going to have large pockets of away fans. You'd think they'd be a bit stricter on ticket sales, but when you can't sell out for games like Man City and Arsenal, can you really blame them for taking the money? After all, the purchaser buys the ticket at their own risk. I believe that game was booking history only, so plenty of home fans would have helped their mates out. So who is to blame for that?
Lastly, and worst of all in my book, we have these pathetic wailing banshees that go ballistic every time they spot away fans. In this case it was the family stand. I've never been in this area, but I would expect it to be populated by sensible human beings, not the sort of slack jawed idiots that we see at many away games. The Dad was a dick, an absolute imbecile, but having a go at kids is out of order and those involved should take a bit of a look at themselves.
In any case, if you're going to take the risk, shut the fuck up.
I'm in the family stand, and believe me you get some right idiots in there.
Sunderland, last season, Craig Gardner came over to to take a throw in, but there was a bit of a delay. It was pretty quiet and this chap stands up up and yells bucket loads of abuse at him. I think he used every foul mouthed expletive going. Just as bad, the steward did nothing!!
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I have had to sit in away stands over the years as family members or friends are deluded in not following the greatest team the world has ever seen. And its tough. But seeing my team live remains a real pleasure for me (even the past few years). Scoring a goal means sitting on hands and silently screaming with joy. Conceding is pretty much the same, just pain rather than joy. I don't jump around because im fearful of the opposition, just out of respect.
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When you're in the home end at Arsenal you have to remember to sit in complete silence while the home side completes seventeen consecutive passes, then groan loudly when they misplace the eighteenth one.
You also have to remember to criticise the home players using their first names, and using statistics where possible, eg 'for flip's sake Aaron, your rate of pass completion is more than 22% lower than Cesc's' etc
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Perhaps we should leave a block of unsold tickets in the manc end and round the interlopers up and deposit them in there, tough that they lose a batch of tickets, but thems the breaks.
He might not find it so enjoyable standing up for 90 minutes, getting trampled on by his own support and singing Yanited for most of the match...
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If only there was somewhere that United fans could go in order to support their team with other like minded fans.
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If only there was somewhere that United fans could go in order to support their team with other like minded fans.
Good idea -perhaps they could build a stadium in, for example, Manchester and hold matches there?
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I posted on the post match thrad,
What is it with these twats that gives them the arrogance to imagine that they can either attempt to or jump on the pitch at V.P when they score ?
Do you see them do it at home, L/POP Arse Chelsea Newcastle or anywhere else ?
No, they think that we are a bunch softies who they beat so often that it is carnival time when they come here.
Ban them to the upper section only next year, Fuckers.
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As if like magic, our local press join in with a typically low key headline
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/aston-villa-stewards-kick-out-8335420
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Few people have touched on the real matter at hand here - the fact that this bloke is a Man United fan from Birmingham.
Once I hear those five words in that sequence, I don't really care what happens to you.
Yep, that's my take on it too. I am utterly sick of these modern days gloryhunting fans, brought up on a diet of Skysports Big 4 sycophantic behaviour, who then think its ok to pop down the local ground, like its some bloody trip to the opera and then complain when proper fans get the hump over it. If you want to pick your team based on whom Skysports tell you to support, then stick to your overpriced tv subscription, your ManUtd supporters club tie and badge and phoning Talkshi** to complain relentlessly post-match.
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Was their allocation reduced again this year because they refuse to use the seats for what they were designed?
I've had the same United fan sat in front of me once a season for the last 5 years, he comes in, takes his photos, stands if Villa score, stays seated when United do - no problem.
'If' you choose to break the rules that the rest of us have to adhere & sit as an away fan in the home end you and only you are responsible for how you conduct yourself...and likewise you have to accept the sanction for breaking the rules.
Having purchased tickets for the game this guy is still first and foremost a parent, it is his responsibility for how the kids behave and when they jump up it was his job to tell them to sit down - from his comments he was the leading cheerleader so his arrogance / complete lack of parental responsibility put his kids in danger - rather than getting indignant he might want to reflect on how his behaviour endangers his kids.
Complete no win situation for Villa, nice to see the ever supportive local newspaper haven't jumped the bandwagon :-)
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As if like magic, our local press join in with a typically low key headline
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/aston-villa-stewards-kick-out-8335420
With added Cuddly Albion for good measure.
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It also bothers me that Mail don't call them Man/Manchester United and instead just United, as if they're the Villa and unique.
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He said the trip was a Christmas treat for his sons and he had bought them a ‘half-and-half’ scarf before kick-off.
Hang him! (Using the scarf).
I've never understood "neutral" supporters - I'll usually pick a side even if I know or care little for either team. If one of the teams has a mild Villa connection, I'd support them.
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Dont hang him, nail one end to a wall and feed it to him, until he shits out the other half to the scarf, whereby you nail that end to a wall.
The display him in public as an example of what becomes to super excited, arrogant, half and half scarf wearing, Brummie Red twats.
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I don't have a problem with people sitting wherever they want, we've all gone to games with mates who are home fans, or as neutrals, or whatever. But you need to have the common sense to realise passions run high at football matches and that you need to keep your gob shut if you're in the wrong end.
This for me aswell.
Completely this. There was a group of lads behind me in L2 that jumped up when Yanited scored. One of the lads tried to claim he'd got a bet on for a 1-1 draw. Everybody around him was fuming. The stewards came over to have him ejected until he veraciously pleased his innocence. He avoided being kicked out by the skin of his teeth.
If it's one thing that really annoys me is United fans. They really manage to get under my skin
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The Evening Mail always meets my expectations of them. Their standard of journalism is lower than shark shit.
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As a mature, sensible adult, I would say that it's a shame that people can't just watch a game in the company of other like minded folk who happen to support the other team and be tolerant of their joy in their side's success. Having said that, I leave my mature, sensible side at the door when I enter the ground and if you haven't the sense to appraise yourself of the environment you are entering and modified your behaviour accordingly then do not complain about the consequences. You wouldn't wear a mankini on dress down Friday without finding out if it was acceptable attire and the same applies to your fucking half and half scarf. No sympathy beyond the type one reserves for children who have been dragged not brought up in this manner.
- and that is why you threw up on Stu's seat?
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As if like magic, our local press join in with a typically low key headline
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/aston-villa-stewards-kick-out-8335420
With added Cuddly Albion for good measure.
Weren't the plucky neighbours falling over themselves to sell their seats to the Mancs for Siralex's farewell which led to widespread trouble and mass ejections?
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A friend who supports Ipswich went to a Villa v Ipswich match at VP with us years ago - and he supported Villa through the whole match.
Mind you, he's one of the friendliest people I've ever met and I could never imagine him causing any trouble anywhere.
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I remember going to the City Ground with my Grandad as a 6 year old (and sitting in the 'Family Stand / Home End)and him grabbing and shushing me when Villa scored. I didn't really understand why at the time, but had enough sense to just do as I was told and keep calm!
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He's obviously a lying twat. As I said on page one, he claims his kids are "inbetween" Villa and Manure, and yet him and both kids only celebrated the Manure goal.
Could it not have meant that they were sat between the two?
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Maybe there could be an area reserved for a neutral area, but currently there isn't. Tough cheese
Like Fulham have. It always struck me as a bit naff, having a "neutral" section.
Most sports, and even football grounds below Division Four, can manage to have an entire "neutral" ground.
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I've read a few pages, though admittedly not the whole way through yet.
I'm really surprised at the reaction so far. A bloke takes his 7 and 9 year old to a match. He sits in the the Family Stand, the only such area designated in the stadium. The away fans don't have a family area at Villa Park so the safest place must be the Family Stand, surely?
Either we should designate an area within the Family stand to the opposition, or just be more tolerant and try and set a good example by having a mixed seating area.
The bloke jumping up would have been wrong, inflammatory and difficult to defend, but two young lads?
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I'm sure there's an argument for it and anything that promotes a trouble-free experience is welcome, but a whole section of fans sitting side by side and not one of them genuinely invested in what happens - doesn't it take away the essence of attending a game? What keeps you interested throughout a lifeless 0-0?
I started going as a six-year-old in the mid-'80s and football hooliganism was pretty horrible then and the Holte was an all-standing behemoth where a home goal created a melee, even when it was half full. It was scary and exhilirating and I stayed safe because my dad and my brothers told me and showed me what I had to do and made sure I did it.
that's not what I'm saying. Goals for both sides would be celebrated. Colours could be worn, and everyone in that section behaved themselves or they'd be ejected
The thing is, we have actually had this at Villa Park. When I first started going the Witton End was nearly always a mix of home and away fans, that was usually where I stood and I can't remember there being that much trouble despite this being back in the days of some nasty hooliganism.
Maybe (and at the risk of opening the hoolie debate again) this was because those that wanted to fight did so against opposition fans that also wanted to fight and didn't feel the need to take it out on dads and their kids who just wanted to watch a game of football?
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The bloke jumping up would have been wrong, inflammatory and difficult to defend, but two young lads?
That's what I don't get, chucking two kids out of the Family stand, having said that I sit in there with my son and i've been quite surprised by how worked up some blokes (and it's always blokes) get even when they have young children with them.
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He's obviously a lying twat. As I said on page one, he claims his kids are "inbetween" Villa and Manure, and yet him and both kids only celebrated the Manure goal.
Could it not have meant that they were sat between the two?
I'm sure he mentioned their mum is a Villa fan?
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Maybe there could be an area reserved for a neutral area, but currently there isn't. Tough cheese
Like Fulham have. It always struck me as a bit naff, having a "neutral" section.
Most sports, and even football grounds below Division Four, can manage to have an entire "neutral" ground.
Interestingly Stourbridge had to introduce segregated standing and refreshments for the visit of.... FC United of Manchester
Buggered up the quoty box! Hope that's fixed it?
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The bloke jumping up would have been wrong, inflammatory and difficult to defend, but two young lads?
That's what I don't get, chucking two kids out of the Family stand, having said that I sit in there with my son and i've been quite surprised by how worked up some blokes (and it's always blokes) get even when they have young children with them.
Didn't the bloke say it was a woman that complained?
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So these kids that are "inbetween Villa and manure".......
Laurie said he had previously taken his sons to watch United play at West Bromwich Albion without incident.
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personally I don't have a problem with people sitting wherever they want without any segregagation. Shouldn't we be able to act in an adult manner and just enjoy the banter.
Unfortunately, there are too many twonks around for this to happen.
I had my man ure mate sat next to me on Saturday and I always sit in their end at OT
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Did he jump up like he was in the away end and celebrated when they scored?
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Did he jump up like he was in the away end and celebrated when they scored?
He said he hugged his kids when they scored and I think that's where the problem was. If he'd just let the two little un's cheer, the people sat around him might have not took too much notice. The fact that he got up and joined in as well is probably what got a few backs up and to be honest, he should have known better.
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Does it say "Villa fans only in home areas" or something similar on the tickets still?
It says on the back of the tickets that they're only for home fans and away fans will be ejected. It also says on the web site that you're only buying tickets for home fans.
There is a whole other debate about whether we should be able to sit next to opposition fans etc etc, and in an ideal world where so many people weren't fucking idiots, we would be able to, but as it stands, it is really made pretty clear that you sign up to the rules when you buy the ticket.
Agree with this. Fans in other sports seem to be able to tolerate sitting next to opposition supporters and even enjoy it in some cases, but for some reason it just doesn't seem to happen at most football grounds. It shouldn't happen, but unfortunately that's the world we live in and most people are aware of it.
As well as on the ticket and the website, I would also add it says 'home supporters only' on the turnstiles. I think the stewards were perfectly within their rights to ask the family to leave as it could have escalated. A stray word to his or someone else's wife or kids and there could have been trouble.
Just out of interest, which stand is he referring to when he says family stand? Trinity Road? North Stand?
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Interestingly Stourbridge had to introduce segregated standing and refreshments for the visit of.... FC United of Manchester
Someone who knows Stourbridge better than me will correct me if I'm wrong but I think this had more to do with the way Stour's ground is set out than a risk of trouble, you can't get a huge amount of fans in the clubhouse for a start so the cricket club opened up their pavilion bar and if you have ever been to their ground you will know that the walkway at the back of the main stand isn't ideal if something like 1000 fans are all trying to change ends at half-time.
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Whether the Father or kids jumped up, stood on their heads or whatever, the simple fact is that they should not have been there. Tickets are sold on the basis that they are for home supporters only. Once they'd made themselves known to everyone & the stewards were asked to step in, they had little alternative other than to move them out for their own safety. It is sad fact that some footIball supporters turn violent when 'offended' by opposing supporters celebrating.
If they were going to risk it, then they should have the common sense to keep quiet.
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Does it say "Villa fans only in home areas" or something similar on the tickets still?
It says on the back of the tickets that they're only for home fans and away fans will be ejected. It also says on the web site that you're only buying tickets for home fans.
There is a whole other debate about whether we should be able to sit next to opposition fans etc etc, and in an ideal world where so many people weren't fucking idiots, we would be able to, but as it stands, it is really made pretty clear that you sign up to the rules when you buy the ticket.
Agree with this. Fans in other sports seem to be able to tolerate sitting next to opposition supporters and even enjoy it in some cases, but for some reason it just doesn't seem to happen at most football grounds. It shouldn't happen, but unfortunately that's the world we live in and most people are aware of it.
As well as on the ticket and the website, I would also add it says 'home supporters only' on the turnstiles. I think the stewards were perfectly within their rights to ask the family to leave as it could have escalated. A stray word to his or someone else's wife or kids and there could have been trouble.
Just out of interest, which stand is he referring to when he says family stand? Trinity Road? North Stand?
Trinity Road.
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Does it say "Villa fans only in home areas" or something similar on the tickets still?
It says on the back of the tickets that they're only for home fans and away fans will be ejected. It also says on the web site that you're only buying tickets for home fans.
There is a whole other debate about whether we should be able to sit next to opposition fans etc etc, and in an ideal world where so many people weren't fucking idiots, we would be able to, but as it stands, it is really made pretty clear that you sign up to the rules when you buy the ticket.
Agree with this. Fans in other sports seem to be able to tolerate sitting next to opposition supporters and even enjoy it in some cases, but for some reason it just doesn't seem to happen at most football grounds. It shouldn't happen, but unfortunately that's the world we live in and most people are aware of it.
As well as on the ticket and the website, I would also add it says 'home supporters only' on the turnstiles. I think the stewards were perfectly within their rights to ask the family to leave as it could have escalated. A stray word to his or someone else's wife or kids and there could have been trouble.
Just out of interest, which stand is he referring to when he says family stand? Trinity Road? North Stand?
Trinity Road.
I wouldn't really consider Trinity Road as a 'family stand'. Upper North Stand maybe.
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There's a designated 'Family' area in the Trinity Road stand as well as one for the 'Tickets for Schools' scheme.
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Interestingly Stourbridge had to introduce segregated standing and refreshments for the visit of.... FC United of Manchester
Someone who knows Stourbridge better than me will correct me if I'm wrong but I think this had more to do with the way Stour's ground is set out than a risk of trouble, you can't get a huge amount of fans in the clubhouse for a start so the cricket club opened up their pavilion bar and if you have ever been to their ground you will know that the walkway at the back of the main stand isn't ideal if something like 1000 fans are all trying to change ends at half-time.
That's about right. There's no segregation for Halesowen on Boxing Day and there will be extra facilities and access via the cricket ground into the Shed.
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If he's so fucking disgruntled then he won't have to come back again will he?
I'm so fucking sick of these glory hunting plastic wankers!
I'd rather my son support Blues or the Albion than Man U (obviously he'll be out of the house if he does)
They just boil my piss, We've suffered years of these bellends and the HOME end signifies just that. I'm glad he was kicked out and I hope every other away fan gets kicked out as well
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What about the 7 and 9 year olds? Do they boil your piss too?
What if by going, they'd become Villa fans in spite of their dad?
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Yeah fuck em they all the same
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I wonder if there has ever actually been a parent who has thrown one of their kids out of the house just for supporting another football team?
I also wonder what it is about a football ground that brings out the worst in normally completely sane people.
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I wonder if there has ever actually been a parent who has thrown one of their kids out of the house just for supporting another football team?
I also wonder what it is about a football ground that brings out the worst in normally completely sane people.
It is very strange, especially when you consider that rival fans seem to be able to get on pretty well in other sports.
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I celebrated Young's winner against Everton volubly in the Gwladys Street Stand.
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Still think the chap is bending the truth: he is a ManU fan, says his wife is Villa and the kids in-between - yet they didn't celebrate the Villa goal but did celebrate the ManU goal. Seems very clear to me that the kids took their cue from dad. He ignored all of the T and Cs given at several stages in the booking process and took a risk, expecting everyone else to change the rules to suit him and his kids.
If he took them to OT in the home areas and they celebrated when Villa scored a well-deserved winner they're very likely to be ejected, just the same as they were at VP.
The kids are clearly ManU fans - take them to OT you wan*er!
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I reckon there's, probably, a little bit more to this story than has been told.
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The thing is, we have actually had this at Villa Park. When I first started going the Witton End was nearly always a mix of home and away fans, that was usually where I stood and I can't remember there being that much trouble despite this being back in the days of some nasty hooliganism.
Maybe (and at the risk of opening the hoolie debate again) this was because those that wanted to fight did so against opposition fans that also wanted to fight and didn't feel the need to take it out on dads and their kids who just wanted to watch a game of football?
That's how I remember it too and I'm not old enough (just) to remember the Witton End. Most games in the seats in the late 70s and throughout the 80s the supporters were mixed. See footage of Blues v Villa in the championship season when we score at railway end. I remember big away followings at villa park in the Trinity Road when we played Wolves in FA Cup in 83 and Everton in League cup semi in 84. At Coventry we used to take over the ground and locally based villa fans bought seats in the main stand. it was tolerated and there was banter. Even as late as 92 I remember being sat next to Sheffield Wednesday supporters when Sealey went mad about the goal that didn't cross the line. It was normal and people were civilised about it. Since all seater stadia we seem to have lost the hoolies but now have highly partisan intolerant people right around the ground.
I don't like midlands based Manchester united supporters any more than anybody else but surely their mere presence should not result in violence?
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Still think the chap is bending the truth: he is a ManU fan, says his wife is Villa and the kids in-between - yet they didn't celebrate the Villa goal but did celebrate the ManU goal. Seems very clear to me that the kids took their cue from dad. He ignored all of the T and Cs given at several stages in the booking process and took a risk, expecting everyone else to change the rules to suit him and his kids.
If he took them to OT in the home areas and they celebrated when Villa scored a well-deserved winner they're very likely to be ejected, just the same as they were at VP.
The kids are clearly ManU fans - take them to OT you wan*er!
Yep and I think he's also not able to grasp that it was more likely his actions and not those of his kids that led to them getting kicked out.
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The thing is, we have actually had this at Villa Park. When I first started going the Witton End was nearly always a mix of home and away fans, that was usually where I stood and I can't remember there being that much trouble despite this being back in the days of some nasty hooliganism.
Maybe (and at the risk of opening the hoolie debate again) this was because those that wanted to fight did so against opposition fans that also wanted to fight and didn't feel the need to take it out on dads and their kids who just wanted to watch a game of football?
That's how I remember it too and I'm not old enough (just) to remember the Witton End. Most games in the seats in the late 70s and throughout the 80s the supporters were mixed. See footage of Blues v Villa in the championship season when we score at railway end. I remember big away followings at villa park in the Trinity Road when we played Wolves in FA Cup in 83 and Everton in League cup semi in 84. At Coventry we used to take over the ground and locally based villa fans bought seats in the main stand. it was tolerated and there was banter. Even as late as 92 I remember being sat next to Sheffield Wednesday supporters when Sealey went mad about the goal that didn't cross the line. It was normal and people were civilised about it. Since all seater stadia we seem to have lost the hoolies but now have highly partisan intolerant people right around the ground.
I don't like midlands based Manchester united supporters any more than anybody else but surely their mere presence should not result in violence?
There seems to me to have been four stages of segregation/violence.
Seventies - not much segregation, occasional outbursts of violence inside between like-minded individuals but generally everyone got on.
Eighties - strictly enforced segregation, fences, away fans being marshalled, violence inside and out.
Nineties - less segregation, fences came down, less violence, everyone rubbed along fairly well.
Now - less violence than ever before but more hostility.
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I have been in home ends (very occasionally) when Villa have played and I have sat next to away fans in Villa Park who are sitting in the home end. On once occasion with my mate who is a Toffees fan - the 3-3 draw on Easter Sunday.
I used to say to away fans something along the lines of - '..whatever happens don't act like an idiot and jump up and down if your team scores....' None of them ever have.
The family stand is a tricky one but if it says Home Fans Only, which I assume it does, then people should have the self awareness to be discreet for their own safety. Whether a family stand should accommodate mixed fans is a different angle.
Is it Fulham which has the 'neutral' area I seem to recall from a few years back?
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I think there is an opportunity here for Tom Fox or whoever to get hold of this family and blow them out of the water with hospitality executive box, photos with Benteke and some free kits for kids as well as parents etc. and watch them turn their back on Man Utd for good. In my experience indecisive people like these once a season fans only need a light breeze in the right direction to blow them off the fence forever.
Especially if it's gone as far as radio five live and the telegraph, it would be good PR.
But on the whole I think it's not acceptable. I sat in the home end against WBA and was outed when they scored for NOT celebrating! Took a punch in the stomach from one guy however Im not bitter about it, I knew it was a dodgy thing to do.
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Interestingly Stourbridge had to introduce segregated standing and refreshments for the visit of.... FC United of Manchester
Someone who knows Stourbridge better than me will correct me if I'm wrong but I think this had more to do with the way Stour's ground is set out than a risk of trouble, you can't get a huge amount of fans in the clubhouse for a start so the cricket club opened up their pavilion bar and if you have ever been to their ground you will know that the walkway at the back of the main stand isn't ideal if something like 1000 fans are all trying to change ends at half-time.
That's about right. There's no segregation for Halesowen on Boxing Day and there will be extra facilities and access via the cricket ground into the Shed.
That was my point - segregation for FCUM but not against the Yeltz - I know the Memorial Ground well ;-)
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I think there is an opportunity here for Tom Fox or whoever to get hold of this family and blow them out of the water with hospitality executive box, photos with Benteke and some free kits for kids as well as parents etc. and watch them turn their back on Man Utd for good. In my experience indecisive people like these once a season fans only need a light breeze in the right direction to blow them off the fence forever.
Especially if it's gone as far as radio five live and the telegraph, it would be good PR.
I agree entirely.
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The thing is, we have actually had this at Villa Park. When I first started going the Witton End was nearly always a mix of home and away fans, that was usually where I stood and I can't remember there being that much trouble despite this being back in the days of some nasty hooliganism.
Maybe (and at the risk of opening the hoolie debate again) this was because those that wanted to fight did so against opposition fans that also wanted to fight and didn't feel the need to take it out on dads and their kids who just wanted to watch a game of football?
That's how I remember it too and I'm not old enough (just) to remember the Witton End. Most games in the seats in the late 70s and throughout the 80s the supporters were mixed. See footage of Blues v Villa in the championship season when we score at railway end. I remember big away followings at villa park in the Trinity Road when we played Wolves in FA Cup in 83 and Everton in League cup semi in 84. At Coventry we used to take over the ground and locally based villa fans bought seats in the main stand. it was tolerated and there was banter. Even as late as 92 I remember being sat next to Sheffield Wednesday supporters when Sealey went mad about the goal that didn't cross the line. It was normal and people were civilised about it. Since all seater stadia we seem to have lost the hoolies but now have highly partisan intolerant people right around the ground.
I don't like midlands based Manchester united supporters any more than anybody else but surely their mere presence should not result in violence?
There seems to me to have been four stages of segregation/violence.
Seventies - not much segregation, occasional outbursts of violence inside between like-minded individuals but generally everyone got on.
Eighties - strictly enforced segregation, fences, away fans being marshalled, violence inside and out.
Nineties - less segregation, fences came down, less violence, everyone rubbed along fairly well.
Now - less violence than ever before but more hostility.
I think whilst there was standing nobody cared less what happened in the seats. My experience is of away supporters always being in Trinity Road etc right through to mid 90s. I was in "home" seats at Highbury when Townsend and Whittingham scored late on and able to cheer. Once all seater stadia came in the distinction between supporters who stood and sat ended. Since all seater stadia came in all supporters behave as those in Holte used to - bravado, singing, gestures etc. So it now almost seems a fashion to threaten, gesture, call stewards to away supporters in "home" areas.
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Interestingly Stourbridge had to introduce segregated standing and refreshments for the visit of.... FC United of Manchester
Someone who knows Stourbridge better than me will correct me if I'm wrong but I think this had more to do with the way Stour's ground is set out than a risk of trouble, you can't get a huge amount of fans in the clubhouse for a start so the cricket club opened up their pavilion bar and if you have ever been to their ground you will know that the walkway at the back of the main stand isn't ideal if something like 1000 fans are all trying to change ends at half-time.
That's about right. There's no segregation for Halesowen on Boxing Day and there will be extra facilities and access via the cricket ground into the Shed.
That was my point - segregation for FCUM but not against the Yeltz - I know the Memorial Ground well ;-)
It was the first time FCUM had played locally so there was no indication of how many they might bring or of the crowd. As it was, the biggest league gate for forty years turned up and everything was fine so if they play next season it could well be unsegregated.
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I think whilst there was standing nobody cared less what happened in the seats. My experience is of away supporters always being in Trinity Road etc right through to mid 90s. I was in "home" seats at Highbury when Townsend and Whittingham scored late on and able to cheer. Once all seater stadia came in the distinction between supporters who stood and sat ended. Since all seater stadia came in all supporters behave as those in Holte used to - bravado, singing, gestures etc. So it now almost seems a fashion to threaten, gesture, call stewards to away supporters in "home" areas.
That's true - I also remember Chelsea, West Ham, Small Heath & others in the Witton Lane mob-handed and nobody bothered much as long as they weren't in the Holte.
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Interestingly Stourbridge had to introduce segregated standing and refreshments for the visit of.... FC United of Manchester
Someone who knows Stourbridge better than me will correct me if I'm wrong but I think this had more to do with the way Stour's ground is set out than a risk of trouble, you can't get a huge amount of fans in the clubhouse for a start so the cricket club opened up their pavilion bar and if you have ever been to their ground you will know that the walkway at the back of the main stand isn't ideal if something like 1000 fans are all trying to change ends at half-time.
That's about right. There's no segregation for Halesowen on Boxing Day and there will be extra facilities and access via the cricket ground into the Shed.
That was my point - segregation for FCUM but not against the Yeltz - I know the Memorial Ground well ;-)
It was the first time FCUM had played locally so there was no indication of how many they might bring or of the crowd. As it was, the biggest league gate for forty years turned up and everything was fine so if they play next season it could well be unsegregated.
Does Barwell count as locally? (does to me) They played them last year at the end of the season in what was a huge game for FCUM with no segregation.
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Does Barwell count as locally? (does to me) They played them last year at the end of the season in what was a huge game for FCUM with no segregation.
No it bloody doesn't.
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I think there is an opportunity here for Tom Fox or whoever to get hold of this family and blow them out of the water with hospitality executive box, photos with Benteke and some free kits for kids as well as parents etc. and watch them turn their back on Man Utd for good. In my experience indecisive people like these once a season fans only need a light breeze in the right direction to blow them off the fence forever.
Especially if it's gone as far as radio five live and the telegraph, it would be good PR.
I agree entirely.
Or they could say fuck them and give the package to a deserving Villa supporting family!
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Does Barwell count as locally? (does to me) They played them last year at the end of the season in what was a huge game for FCUM with no segregation.
No it bloody doesn't.
Irony is I bet there are almost as many Villa supporters as Leicester in Barwell. That's the draw of the Villa.
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Or they could say fuck them and give the package to a deserving Villa supporting family!
This family obviously feel resentful they got thrown out and probably will spend the rest of their lives recounting this story about what a disgusting place it is to whoever will listen, putting people off coming to the game and giving their money to Villa.
The story is obviously in the mainstream media so it would be a good idea for Villa to be react, a photo of glory hunter family wearing their personalized Villa shirts with some of the players in the telegraph or whatever rag the story was in would be priceless. Therefore they would probably return to Aston for a few more games, spend some money in the Villa shop and recount the tale to loads of people about what a great club we are and how they're personal friends with Benteke! and deny furiously when people say 'oh you used to support manure'
A family who support Villa would never be in this situation would they?
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I think there is an opportunity here for Tom Fox or whoever to get hold of this family and blow them out of the water with hospitality executive box, photos with Benteke and some free kits for kids as well as parents etc. and watch them turn their back on Man Utd for good. In my experience indecisive people like these once a season fans only need a light breeze in the right direction to blow them off the fence forever.
Especially if it's gone as far as radio five live and the telegraph, it would be good PR.
I agree entirely.
Or they could say fuck them and give the package to a deserving Villa supporting family!
I wouldn't put it past the dad asking if the hospitality could be for the Man u game next season.
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Or they could say fuck them and give the package to a deserving Villa supporting family!
Or they could say fuck them and give the package to a deserving Villa supporting family!
This family obviously feel resentful they got thrown out and probably will spend the rest of their lives recounting this story about what a disgusting place it is to whoever will listen, putting people off coming to the game and giving their money to Villa.
The story is obviously in the mainstream media so it would be a good idea for Villa to be react, a photo of glory hunter family wearing their personalized Villa shirts with some of the players in the telegraph or whatever rag the story was in would be priceless. Therefore they would probably return to Aston for a few more games, spend some money in the Villa shop and recount the tale to loads of people about what a great club we are and how they're personal friends with Benteke! and deny furiously when people say 'oh you used to support manure'
A family who support Villa would never be in this situation would they?
This family obviously feel resentful they got thrown out and probably will spend the rest of their lives recounting this story about what a disgusting place it is to whoever will listen, putting people off coming to the game and giving their money to Villa.
The story is obviously in the mainstream media so it would be a good idea for Villa to be react, a photo of glory hunter family wearing their personalized Villa shirts with some of the players in the telegraph or whatever rag the story was in would be priceless. Therefore they would probably return to Aston for a few more games, spend some money in the Villa shop and recount the tale to loads of people about what a great club we are and how they're personal friends with Benteke! and deny furiously when people say 'oh you used to support manure'
A family who support Villa would never be in this situation would they?
It's a nice idea, but where does that leave the Stewards and will they react the same way the next time this happens?
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All this talk of away fans in the home end has brought back a memory for me when we played Leeds at home the last season they were in the Premier League. I was sitting in the Trinity Road with my Dad and there were a group of quite vocal Leeds fans sitting directly behind us. Leeds were really struggling at the time and looked certainities to go down.
I could tell my Dad was getting quite irritated with them, but he held his tongue right up until they had seen enough and went to make an early exit (we won with Ronny Johnsen scoring if I remember correctly). As they shuffled off he shouted "Oi lads" to which they all turned round "do us a favour next season and say hello to the Blues from us". Didn't go down to well needless to say!
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Or they could say fuck them and give the package to a deserving Villa supporting family!
This family obviously feel resentful they got thrown out and probably will spend the rest of their lives recounting this story about what a disgusting place it is to whoever will listen, putting people off coming to the game and giving their money to Villa.
The story is obviously in the mainstream media so it would be a good idea for Villa to be react, a photo of glory hunter family wearing their personalized Villa shirts with some of the players in the telegraph or whatever rag the story was in would be priceless. Therefore they would probably return to Aston for a few more games, spend some money in the Villa shop and recount the tale to loads of people about what a great club we are and how they're personal friends with Benteke! and deny furiously when people say 'oh you used to support manure'
A family who support Villa would never be in this situation would they?
But the dad sounds like the sort of prick who would glorify in getting something out of The Villa who he would see as grovelling to him and his kids.
Fu*k him.
If he's so keen on "treating" his kids to ManU-related activity then he should be taking them to OT, not VP and expecting all the rules to be bent to suit him.
He's a twat and we don't need any more of those at Villa Park.
UTV!
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Being as he took them to watch ManUre against The Throstles at The Yawnthorns, are they close to the Tesco Bags as well as us?
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As a rule I don't pay any attention to anything a Brummie Red has to say on football, because he is a subhuman c***.
I made an exception and read this article and what struck me was how unaware the bloke is of what an epic c*** he is. I am glad the stewards made a couple of little Brummie Yanited piggies cry. Hopefully it puts them off football for life so they won't grow up to be massive c***s like their dad is.
The stewards did them a favour. I haven't seem anybody take a kicking in the Witton Lane since that Nose was bounced off every step. Quite a few were punched in the Lower Holte too. Pity somebody didn't stick one on this bellend so he didn waste licence payers airtime with his fruity rant.
If you're undercover, you keep yore head down. The golden rule.
I totally agree with this. I'd have no problem with the Dad and his kids sitting anywhere in the home sections of the ground and staying quite but as we are all aware a Brummie red couldn't possibly do this. Anyone who goes to football knows the rules. In fact, I'd go as far as to say sitting in a home section should be classed as an offense as it has potential to cause a disturbance. I seen quite a few ejections from the lower Holte on Saturday, they just couldn't help themselves gobbing off and then wondered why exception was taken to them and a disturbance caused because of their behaviour.
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Was in the club shop on new St Sunday and 2 what Dave whelan would call chinks but me being politically correct would class as people from another country were trying to buy tickets for the liverpool game.
Guy behind the counter said you have to have a booking history so if you buy tickets for sunderlNd game you can then have tickets for the Liverpool game they declined and walked out.
Why don't they just wear a top with Gerrard on the back fooking glory hunting shits
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Even with the new dugouts their backroom staff were sat at the front of the trinity and were getting involved with Villa fans with comments and gestures.
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Even with the new dugouts their backroom staff were sat at the front of the trinity and were getting involved with Villa fans with comments and gestures.
That's gone on since the 70's though.
Didn't some bloke call Butler to complain about Utd staff swearing at him and Butler got on his high horse until it transpired said fella and mates had been banging on the dugout roof and then threw drinks at them?
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I was in the Arsenal bit last season with my 2 boys when we won. They were celebrating but I kept quiet....it was pretty obvious I guess to those around us that we were Villa fans as we were the only ones not moaning.
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I think some of it is that so many people are just so fucked off with glory hunting Manure fans in the home ends year after year. Obviously there is no guarantee of it but i'd imagine most people would be less pissed off if it had been say a Norwich or Fulham fan.
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The idea of a small 'away families' section is quite a good one. Seniors and people with children could qualify for this area. We could put it flexibly at the front of the current away section, which would serve the dual purpose of allowing older and younger fans to see past those who persistently stand, whilst also providing a kind of 'buffer zone' to stop the other idiots leaping into the pitch.
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Even with the new dugouts their backroom staff were sat at the front of the trinity and were getting involved with Villa fans with comments and gestures.
That's gone on since the 70's though.
Didn't some bloke call Butler to complain about Utd staff swearing at him and Butler got on his high horse until it transpired said fella and mates had been banging on the dugout roof and then threw drinks at them?
Bring back Cullverhouse. He knew how to banter with the Lower Trinity dugout crew.
Too soon? Then Johnny Gregory will have to do. Grecian up JG and hit the north.
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Was in the club shop on new St Sunday and 2 what Dave whelan would call chinks but me being politically correct would class as people from another country were trying to buy tickets for the liverpool game.
Guy behind the counter said you have to have a booking history so if you buy tickets for sunderlNd game you can then have tickets for the Liverpool game they declined and walked out.
Why don't they just wear a top with Gerrard on the back fooking glory hunting shits
Bit harsh.
That match is 3 weeks away. It isn't inconceivable that they're, for example, locally based students wanting to watch a match.
I've seen plenty of young chinese people at our matches, decked out in claret and blue, and not only when we play Liverpool or Man United.
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I think there is an opportunity here for Tom Fox or whoever to get hold of this family and blow them out of the water with hospitality executive box, photos with Benteke and some free kits for kids as well as parents etc. and watch them turn their back on Man Utd for good. In my experience indecisive people like these once a season fans only need a light breeze in the right direction to blow them off the fence forever.
Especially if it's gone as far as radio five live and the telegraph, it would be good PR.
I agree entirely.
Invite the Kids and the Mum if she really is "Villa." Ban the Dad and let him stew at home watching his 99 Treble DVD or whatever.
This bloke just strikes me as the typical fan who turns up for 1 game a season when Man. United are in town and dosen't have the first clue how to behave in the home end when they score, you get hundreds of them every season because they don't go week in week out and understand you can't celebrate wildly in the home end and not expect attention to be drawn to you at least.
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The idea of a small 'away families' section is quite a good one. Seniors and people with children could qualify for this area. We could put it flexibly at the front of the current away section, which would serve the dual purpose of allowing older and younger fans to see past those who persistently stand, whilst also providing a kind of 'buffer zone' to stop the other idiots leaping into the pitch.
But it'd have been of no use to this bloke as, like all clubs (I assume), he'd have needed the appropriate manyoo history to get tickets.
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As a rule I don't pay any attention to anything a Brummie Red has to say on football, because he is a subhuman c***.
I made an exception and read this article and what struck me was how unaware the bloke is of what an epic c*** he is. I am glad the stewards made a couple of little Brummie Yanited piggies cry. Hopefully it puts them off football for life so they won't grow up to be massive c***s like their dad is.
The stewards did them a favour. I haven't seem anybody take a kicking in the Witton Lane since that Nose was bounced off every step. Quite a few were punched in the Lower Holte too. Pity somebody didn't stick one on this bellend so he didn waste licence payers airtime with his fruity rant.
If you're undercover, you keep yore head down. The golden rule.
I totally agree with this. I'd have no problem with the Dad and his kids sitting anywhere in the home sections of the ground and staying quite but as we are all aware a Brummie red couldn't possibly do this. Anyone who goes to football knows the rules. In fact, I'd go as far as to say sitting in a home section should be classed as an offense as it has potential to cause a disturbance. I seen quite a few ejections from the lower Holte on Saturday, they just couldn't help themselves gobbing off and then wondered why exception was taken to them and a disturbance caused because of their behaviour.
Nah I wouldn't go that far.
I've sat in the home end at Arsenal and Stoke loads of times in recent years because I couldn't get tickets in the away end. Most times we've scored and I've had to keep quiet.
I don't tend to find it that difficult, just a quick smile and a clench of a fist that will hardly have people running down the rows to confront me.
Probably the worst instance was when Lowton scored that wonder goal at Stoke. I was right by the Villa fans but in the other stand so had a great view of the strike but had to stay seated and watch everyone in the away end justifiably go mental.
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Was in the club shop on new St Sunday and 2 what Dave whelan would call chinks but me being politically correct would class as people from another country were trying to buy tickets for the liverpool game.
Guy behind the counter said you have to have a booking history so if you buy tickets for sunderlNd game you can then have tickets for the Liverpool game they declined and walked out.
Why don't they just wear a top with Gerrard on the back fooking glory hunting shits
Bit harsh.
That match is 3 weeks away. It isn't inconceivable that they're, for example, locally based students wanting to watch a match.
I've seen plenty of young chinese people at our matches, decked out in claret and blue, and not only when we play Liverpool or Man United.
Loads of them at the Uni too,wearing their Claret and Blue with pride.
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Or maybe they were maybe visiting friends in Brum and didn't realise you need booking history to buy tickets for some games?
I accept they could be gloryhunters but equally they could've just decided Liverpool is more likely to be more interesting and exciting game than either Palace or Sunderland as for example they have more than two players we've heard of.
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The booking history stuff is VERY confusing by the way.
I had a friend who wanted to go see a premier league game when he was visiting the UK, at my urging he tried to get a ticket at Villa. They gave him the usual "blah blah, booking history" horseshit so he gave up. Later on during his vacation the hotel he was staying at got him a ticket to see Spurs instead with no problems.
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Home games are the same as aways. They work on a priority system and eventually go to general sale. It's only recently we've stopped the general sale thing for Manure etc. So maybe the game he wanted hadn't reached general sale.
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I agree with PWS, it makes people angrier because it's Brand FC supporters who routinely listen to that chant about doing what they want and putting it into practice.
It's the fact that if you looked up Gloryhunter in the dictionary, then you would find "Laurie" of Bromsgrove in there. He never misses a match on Sky.
They're vile and we better hope and prey that Arsenal, Liverpool, bloody anybody, knocks them into 5th. Another season having budgeted for CL football but come up short may mean no more official noodle sponsors.
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Even with the new dugouts their backroom staff were sat at the front of the trinity and were getting involved with Villa fans with comments and gestures.
That's gone on since the 70's though.
Didn't some bloke call Butler to complain about Utd staff swearing at him and Butler got on his high horse until it transpired said fella and mates had been banging on the dugout roof and then threw drinks at them?
When I was about 10 (early disclaimer), we played Sheffield Wednesday in the league cup and as a bit of a treat, me, my brother and my best mate sat in the Trinity.
For a good a good while in the 2nd half, me and my pal were popping up and down behind the old dugouts throwing little bits of grit off the little flat roofs they had at some bald geezer on their bench.
Happy days.
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The idea of a small 'away families' section is quite a good one. Seniors and people with children could qualify for this area. We could put it flexibly at the front of the current away section, which would serve the dual purpose of allowing older and younger fans to see past those who persistently stand, whilst also providing a kind of 'buffer zone' to stop the other idiots leaping into the pitch.
Quite. Families need the opportunity and our reputation would improve with other sets of fans too.
All fans and clubs should be doing what we can to encourage children to go to matches; not alienating them because they support the other team.
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More the fact that we don't really have neutrals at Villa Park. We're not in the World's most-visited tourist city, full of people who just want to see a football game. I expect the attraction factor has diminished since they stopped being in the Premier League, but even so.
May be not the world's most visited but from meetbirmingham.com:
"Birmingham’s visitor economy has grown significantly over the last five years with visitor numbers rising by 13% from 29.1m to 32.8m. These figures fuel the sector’s growing economic impact which has risen by nearly three quarters (72%) in the last five years – from £2.7bn in 2005 to £4.6bn in 2010. The strength of the city’s visitor economy has also created 21,220 jobs over the last five years, with employment in the sector going up by more than half (57%)."
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It would have been okay if the kids had celebrated and their dad just ushered them back into their seats and gave an apologetic smile and simple sorry look to those around him. It would have not caused any more fuss than a "bloody tut" type reaction. that it went as far as the stewards being called suggests that the father either encouraged the celebrating, took part in it, or couldn't care less. That is taking the pee a little.
As for the PR side of it, then no. My nephew wants to go all the time but my dad picks and chooses his matches so can't take my nephew. There's a Villa fan who would appreciate the clubs efforts and not 2 Man U supporting kids who's tit of a dad caused them to get thrown out. Anyway, they're 7 and 9. Too old to be able to change teams.
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More the fact that we don't really have neutrals at Villa Park. We're not in the World's most-visited tourist city, full of people who just want to see a football game. I expect the attraction factor has diminished since they stopped being in the Premier League, but even so.
May be not the world's most visited but from meetbirmingham.com:
"Birmingham’s visitor economy has grown significantly over the last five years with visitor numbers rising by 13% from 29.1m to 32.8m.
Quite.
I mean, who the hell would want to visit Birmingham. And why would they then want to bother watching one of the most historically significant football teams in the world.
Probably easier to assume that nobody outside a committed Villa fan would want to watch us and not bother trying anything to attract new ones.
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Home games are the same as aways. They work on a priority system and eventually go to general sale. It's only recently we've stopped the general sale thing for Manure etc. So maybe the game he wanted hadn't reached general sale.
It was a few years back so it maybe better now , it was a couple of weeks before the game if I recall correctly. Anyway Villa park was not sold out , so for the sake of red tape they just lost a sale and a potential future fan.
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It would have been okay if the kids had celebrated and their dad just ushered them back into their seats and gave an apologetic smile and simple sorry look to those around him. It would have not caused any more fuss than a "bloody tut" type reaction. that it went as far as the stewards being called suggests that the father either encouraged the celebrating, took part in it, or couldn't care less. That is taking the pee a little.
I think you're probably right there.
It sounded to me like some clueless footballing Tarquin with a sense of entitlement which makes him think it is outrageous he can't take his spawn to watch "United" play and sit and cheer anywhere he wants.
What kind of parent does that? What kind of parent turns his children into Brummie Reds, FFS?
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With a dad like that they'll almost certainly turn out to be tossers too, so it's no loss.
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More the fact that we don't really have neutrals at Villa Park. We're not in the World's most-visited tourist city, full of people who just want to see a football game. I expect the attraction factor has diminished since they stopped being in the Premier League, but even so.
May be not the world's most visited but from meetbirmingham.com:
"Birmingham’s visitor economy has grown significantly over the last five years with visitor numbers rising by 13% from 29.1m to 32.8m.
Quite.
I mean, who the hell would want to visit Birmingham. And why would they then want to bother watching one of the most historically significant football teams in the world.
Probably easier to assume that nobody outside a committed Villa fan would want to watch us and not bother trying anything to attract new ones.
Don't be silly. I take offence to any accusation that I'm slagging off Birmingham. However, to suggest we attract tourists in the same way that London does is beyond mental.
In any case, the foreigners I've known that do attend Villa Park have never said to me "I nearly didn't bother when I've found out they didn't have a neutral end".
If you are a foreign visitor to England, desperate to sample the authentic English football experience, surely sitting in a home end is a far better way to do so than sitting in a watered-down fence-sitting Nick Cleggesque "neutral end"?
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"Sorry sir, no half-and-halves in here, you need to go to the Clegg enclosure"
I like it.
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"Sorry sir, no half-and-halves in here, you need to go to the Clegg enclosure"
I like it.
"Where do I find that?"
"Over there, in the Danny Alexander Stand"
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I'm a season ticket holder and have received my Blackpool ticket today through the post.
Even though I am a season ticket holder there was a separate piece of paper with the ticket advising me that the ticket purchased is for home fans only and has been purchased on that basis. It advised that any away fan will not be allowed entrance and if I disagree then a refund will be given up to 24 hours beforehand.
The man bought the ticket under these conditions and can have no excuse.
If he didn't like it he could have got his money back beforehand.
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I agree with PWS, it makes people angrier because it's Brand FC supporters who routinely listen to that chant about doing what they want and putting it into practice.
It's the fact that if you looked up Gloryhunter in the dictionary, then you would find "Laurie" of Bromsgrove in there. He never misses a match on Sky.
They're vile and we better hope and prey that Arsenal, Liverpool, bloody anybody, knocks them into 5th. Another season having budgeted for CL football but come up short may mean no more official noodle sponsors.
I think the fact it is them comes into play somewhat as well. I genuinely cannot stand that club and everything to do with it, especially their gloryhunting 'fans'. I wonder if the reaction would have been different if they had been fans of any other club (Blues excepted of course)?
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I celebrated Garry Thompson's goal at St Andrews stood on the Kop...my celebration consisted of squeezing my girlfriend's hand slightly while trying to look miserable.
Most inappropriate date ever?
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I ahd corporate seats at the Emirates for last season's 1-3 win. I just sat there quietly when we went 2-1 up (mainly because I expected us to get pegged-back), but there were so many Arsenal supporters standing up to vent their anger at Wenger when Luna scored, as i was able to disguise my celebrations as jumping up to punch the air angrily.
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I agree with PWS, it makes people angrier because it's Brand FC supporters who routinely listen to that chant about doing what they want and putting it into practice.
It's the fact that if you looked up Gloryhunter in the dictionary, then you would find "Laurie" of Bromsgrove in there. He never misses a match on Sky.
They're vile and we better hope and prey that Arsenal, Liverpool, bloody anybody, knocks them into 5th. Another season having budgeted for CL football but come up short may mean no more official noodle sponsors.
I think the fact it is them comes into play somewhat as well. I genuinely cannot stand that club and everything to do with it, especially their gloryhunting 'fans'. I wonder if the reaction would have been different if they had been fans of any other club (Blues excepted of course)?
Indeed. I remember an incident probably half a dozen years ago against the bitters. Upper Trinity, a group of 5 or 6 sat in a row next to us, transpired that one of their number was "behind enemy lines". When they scored, he half leapt out of his seat, stopped in his sort of mid-crouch position as he remembered where he was, looked around one way, then the other, obviously thought, "aah, fuck it", continued with his "yeeeeeeeesssss" and his air-punch, then sat down. Dunno if it was tempered by us winning anyway, but I don't recall even the slightest animosity. Going even farther back, on one of our got-an-extra-couple-of-quid excursions to the UT from The Holte, we sat by a load of Chelsea fans, and spent most of the game trying to work out how we could get Deadly to go for their Stainrod-Dixon swap that they seemed so keen on!
In conclusion, yes, it's pretty much just those "we do what we want" dank tufts of rectal pubic hair that people take objection to.
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Was in the club shop on new St Sunday and 2 what Dave whelan would call chinks but me being politically correct would class as people from another country were trying to buy tickets for the liverpool game.
Guy behind the counter said you have to have a booking history so if you buy tickets for sunderlNd game you can then have tickets for the Liverpool game they declined and walked out.
Why don't they just wear a top with Gerrard on the back fooking glory hunting shits
Bit harsh.
That match is 3 weeks away. It isn't inconceivable that they're, for example, locally based students wanting to watch a match.
I've seen plenty of young chinese people at our matches, decked out in claret and blue, and not only when we play Liverpool or Man United.
Correct - and may I add one or 2 South Koreans on occasions, including my Good Lady.
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As someone said earlier I think there are some grounds you can get away with it - I moved south 20 years ago and Villa results still influence my weekend.
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I idly wondered this morning if there was any scope for the club to take any further action against him for deliberately flouting the terms and conditions of the sale. Largely for shits and giggles of course but might be interesting to demonstrate to interlopers of the possible consequences of failing to abide by the house rules.
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Was in the club shop on new St Sunday and 2 what Dave whelan would call chinks but me being politically correct would class as people from another country were trying to buy tickets for the liverpool game.
Guy behind the counter said you have to have a booking history so if you buy tickets for sunderlNd game you can then have tickets for the Liverpool game they declined and walked out.
Why don't they just wear a top with Gerrard on the back fooking glory hunting shits
Bit harsh.
That match is 3 weeks away. It isn't inconceivable that they're, for example, locally based students wanting to watch a match.
I've seen plenty of young chinese people at our matches, decked out in claret and blue, and not only when we play Liverpool or Man United.
Correct - and may I add one or 2 South Koreans on occasions, including my Good Lady.
As long as they are not North Koreans
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Was in the club shop on new St Sunday and 2 what Dave whelan would call chinks but me being politically correct would class as people from another country were trying to buy tickets for the liverpool game.
Guy behind the counter said you have to have a booking history so if you buy tickets for sunderlNd game you can then have tickets for the Liverpool game they declined and walked out.
Why don't they just wear a top with Gerrard on the back fooking glory hunting shits
Bit harsh.
That match is 3 weeks away. It isn't inconceivable that they're, for example, locally based students wanting to watch a match.
I've seen plenty of young chinese people at our matches, decked out in claret and blue, and not only when we play Liverpool or Man United.
Correct - and may I add one or 2 South Koreans on occasions, including my Good Lady.
As long as they are not North Koreans
A couple of Korean kids came to last seasons Sunderland game to watch their Korean player, we chatted to them at half-time - not really a match to win them over though was it?
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About my post that was a bit harsh about the 2 ppl trying to buy tickets for the Liverpool game.
They didn't want tickets for the palace game
They didn't want tickets for the sunderland game
But wanted tickets for the Liverpool game
Oh yea they must of been 100% claret and blue then
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About my post that was a bit harsh about the 2 ppl trying to buy tickets for the Liverpool game.
They didn't want tickets for the palace game
They didn't want tickets for the sunderland game
But wanted tickets for the Liverpool game
Oh yea they must of been 100% claret and blue then
Perhaps the Liverpool game was the only one they could get to.
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The question, "Is celebrating an away goal among home fans acceptable?"
Answer: yes if you don't mind either:
A: Taking the chance that you're going to be on the receiving end of dogs abuse.
B: Taking the chance that you're going to be on the receiving end of a good few slaps.
C: Taking the chance that you're going to be ejected from the ground.
If you're happy with any of the above then yeah crack on. Might be an idea to leave the kids at home though. Or here's a thought, if they are such big yanited fans why not give them the whole theatre of dreams experience and feck of to Old Trafford you numpty.
Seriously though, what is it with these plastic mancs that they seem to think it's ok to sit wherever they want, to invade the pitch whenever they like and to act like a bunch of cocks wherever they go.
Coincidently I was having a similar conversation with a plastic manc a few days before the game. They honestly do not understand the dislike that most football fans have for them. I actually said to them to truly understand the distaste that most football fans have for man yanited you should go to an away match and sit amongst the home fans to get the full experience, only then will you be able to see for yourself that not everyone loves yanited.
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About my post that was a bit harsh about the 2 ppl trying to buy tickets for the Liverpool game.
They didn't want tickets for the palace game
They didn't want tickets for the sunderland game
But wanted tickets for the Liverpool game
Oh yea they must of been 100% claret and blue then
Do you think that all the 15,000 who wanted to go to the Man U game but didn't fancy Southampton at home were Man U fans?
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Where I sit its usually quite empty. Partly because season ticket holders tend to move from their seat to a more central area. Against Manure it was packed. Quite a lot of the new faces that day had something on them that stated they were Villa fans (scarf, top, badge et al). No one celebrated their goal- but it seemed everyone did our goal. What was amusing was the amount of people complaining that they had to sit in their own seat for once.
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My 6ft7 Blackpool mate wants to come in the Villa end v Blackpool. You wouldn't argue with him because he's built like brick shit house as well. But, and he's the dad of two young kids, he wouldn't dream of either showing colours or behaving like a tool. Football fans know the boundaries. This day tripper clearly didn't.
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Few years ago we played a night match at Elland Road, think it may have been a league cup match. Anyway a lad I worked with was a ST holder there and his mate couldn't make it so he offered me the ticket. We were in the home end in the middle right behind the goal. Ian Taylor scored right in front of us and, together with all the Leeds fans, I leapt to my feet punching the air shouting "you bast&&I'd" except all those around me didn't notice that while their faces were twisted with hate mine was full of joy.
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I had a listen to the phone-in earlier that this story originated from, and it seems that the main area of complaint from everyone involved (caller, presenter, tosspot pundit) was that it was the family stand that they were thrown out of.
It seems that they thought that "family" was a synonym for neutral and that the fact that it was "family" meant that it didn't matter how they reacted as long as there were kids involved somewhere along the line.
So in this specific instance, his lack of understanding of the point of our family stand is what has caused the issue.
Lawrie from Birmingham definitely sounded like a prick.
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Was in the club shop on new St Sunday and 2 what Dave whelan would call chinks but me being politically correct would class as people from another country were trying to buy tickets for the liverpool game.
Guy behind the counter said you have to have a booking history so if you buy tickets for sunderlNd game you can then have tickets for the Liverpool game they declined and walked out.
Why don't they just wear a top with Gerrard on the back fooking glory hunting shits
Bit harsh.
That match is 3 weeks away. It isn't inconceivable that they're, for example, locally based students wanting to watch a match.
I've seen plenty of young chinese people at our matches, decked out in claret and blue, and not only when we play Liverpool or Man United.
Correct - and may I add one or 2 South Koreans on occasions, including my Good Lady.
I see a lot more Chinese people around Birmingham, especially the JQ. I'm guessing they're students at one of the Universities, so probably not surprising that they go down the Villa.
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Was in the club shop on new St Sunday and 2 what Dave whelan would call chinks but me being politically correct would class as people from another country were trying to buy tickets for the liverpool game.
Guy behind the counter said you have to have a booking history so if you buy tickets for sunderlNd game you can then have tickets for the Liverpool game they declined and walked out.
Why don't they just wear a top with Gerrard on the back fooking glory hunting shits
Bit harsh.
That match is 3 weeks away. It isn't inconceivable that they're, for example, locally based students wanting to watch a match.
I've seen plenty of young chinese people at our matches, decked out in claret and blue, and not only when we play Liverpool or Man United.
Correct - and may I add one or 2 South Koreans on occasions, including my Good Lady.
I see a lot more Chinese people around Birmingham, especially the JQ. I'm guessing they're students at one of the Universities, so probably not surprising that they go down the Villa.
I was chatting to some Chinese students after the Boxing Day debacle v Spurs 2 years ago and they just wanted to watch a premier league game, with a loose desire for Villa to win as it is their host city. They had bought Villa scarves as souvenirs rather than as supporters but said it was their 3rd visit.
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About my post that was a bit harsh about the 2 ppl trying to buy tickets for the Liverpool game.
They didn't want tickets for the palace game
They didn't want tickets for the sunderland game
But wanted tickets for the Liverpool game
Oh yea they must of been 100% claret and blue then
I am visiting friends and relatives when the Slumberland game is on.
I am working when the Palace game is on.
I might buy a Liverpool ticket.
Can I still be a Villa fan or do I have to become a Liverpool fan?
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About my post that was a bit harsh about the 2 ppl trying to buy tickets for the Liverpool game.
They didn't want tickets for the palace game
They didn't want tickets for the sunderland game
But wanted tickets for the Liverpool game
Oh yea they must of been 100% claret and blue then
I am visiting friends and relatives when the Slumberland game is on.
I am working when the Palace game is on.
I might buy a Liverpool ticket.
Can I still be a Villa fan or do I have to become a Liverpool fan?
You sound like a Tamworth fan. Bloody glory hunting daytripper. Sod off back to the Birmingham overspills.
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You sound like a Tamworth fan. Bloody glory hunting daytripper. Sod off back to the Birmingham overspills.
All plausible except the bit about glory hunting.
Who goes to watch Villa for glory?
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You sound like a Tamworth fan. Bloody glory hunting daytripper. Sod off back to the Birmingham overspills.
All plausible except the bit about glory hunting.
Who goes to watch Villa for glory?
Jokes are always shit when you have to explain them...
I was referring to you going to watch Liverpool...
Right I'm going to watch University challenge to sharpen up.
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I know, it was an ironic twist on your original jibe.
Gin and lime anyone?
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Ok folks I will stand alongside the counter at the club shop in new street and when ppl want tickets for the manure or pool game even arse they can have my booking history ref.
because they can't make the hull or palace game and they don't want to see the mighty burnley but we can make the others and we want a friendship scarf .
I'm not visiting relatives because I'm watching the villa against palace and I'm digging a big hole in central London before the Sunderland game but I will make kick off its the last thing I do
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My 6ft7 Blackpool mate wants to come in the Villa end v Blackpool. You wouldn't argue with him because he's built like brick shit house as well. But, and he's the dad of two young kids, he wouldn't dream of either showing colours or behaving like a tool. Football fans know the boundaries. This day tripper clearly didn't.
He'll be hard to spot now then...
;-)
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Gin and lime sorry mate mount gay extra old and coke for me
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/two-young-united-fans-aged-8334053
This was in the MEN a few days ago, dunno if anyone's posted it but refers to the two kids as "Manchester United" fans so clearly the Dad was fibbing to attempt to get the local press onside.
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/two-young-united-fans-aged-8334053
This was in the MEN a few days ago, dunno if anyone's posted it but refers to the two kids as "Manchester United" fans so clearly the Dad was fibbing to attempt to get the local press onside.
I've said all along he's a liar. His kids are "inbetween Villa & United" but only celebrate when Manure score, strange how they didn't celebrate Villa scoring. And he's taken them to The Hawthorns for, amazingly enough, a game against Man Utd.
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Life's a bitch. No sympathy whatsoever for him.
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It's interesting that even the Mancs are slagging him.
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Ok folks I will stand alongside the counter at the club shop in new street and when ppl want tickets for the manure or pool game even arse they can have my booking history ref.
because they can't make the hull or palace game and they don't want to see the mighty burnley but we can make the others and we want a friendship scarf .
I'm not visiting relatives because I'm watching the villa against palace and I'm digging a big hole in central London before the Sunderland game but I will make kick off its the last thing I do
Jolly well done old chap.
You are obviously so much a better fan than me.
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It's nice to think that when the boys grow up a bit they'll be able to look back at the incident on Google, thanks to Dads efforts to bring it to the media's attention, and see that about 90% of people think he's an absolute tool.
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Ok folks I will stand alongside the counter at the club shop in new street and when ppl want tickets for the manure or pool game even arse they can have my booking history ref.
because they can't make the hull or palace game and they don't want to see the mighty burnley but we can make the others and we want a friendship scarf .
I'm not visiting relatives because I'm watching the villa against palace and I'm digging a big hole in central London before the Sunderland game but I will make kick off its the last thing I do
That may well the case, and well done you, but that doesn't make it wrong for a couple of lads to want to try and buy a couple of tickets to the Liverpool game.
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Ok folks I will stand alongside the counter at the club shop in new street and when ppl want tickets for the manure or pool game even arse they can have my booking history ref.
because they can't make the hull or palace game and they don't want to see the mighty burnley but we can make the others and we want a friendship scarf .
I'm not visiting relatives because I'm watching the villa against palace and I'm digging a big hole in central London before the Sunderland game but I will make kick off its the last thing I do
And if you were a visitor to the city and wanted to watch a game, and don't support either side, what would you do?
Like it or not we have plenty of tourists/neutrals at VP for every game.
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A few of us did it at Luton when away fans were banned centuries ago.
Think it was 1-1 and someone lobbed an own goal over Les Sealey (RIP) - we had all talked about keeping a low profile but I guess we were not as strong willed as we thought!
A mate got hit on the back of the head, and we go some abuse. Fully deserved too.
No, it's not acceptable for adults to do it.
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Tourists and neutrals are fine, I've been to be plenty of games as a neutral, but I wouldn't be cheering when the away team scored if I was sat in the home seats. That's the same across Europe, not just England, so we before we flog ourselves to death about being terrible fans, it's just the nature of club football. Is it logical, no, of course it isn't, but that's how it is.
Interestingly, at national level this doesn't seem to be as prevalent, is it because the type of fan that travels around the world has a different mindset to club fans?
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No it is not acceptable, ever, and rather the stewards eject them than some irate home fans.
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I went to watch the Baggies on Boxing Day with some Olbiyun family members (by marriage, not blood!). Despite the comedy on show in that first half I managed not to celebrate, or even laugh, at any of the 3 goals they conceded.
You've got to respect the people you're around, even when they're Boggies.
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I'm digging a big hole in central London before the Sunderland game but I will make kick off its the last thing I do
Bet you wish you'd carried on digging.
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Ok folks I will stand alongside the counter at the club shop in new street and when ppl want tickets for the manure or pool game even arse they can have my booking history ref.
because they can't make the hull or palace game and they don't want to see the mighty burnley but we can make the others and we want a friendship scarf .
I'm not visiting relatives because I'm watching the villa against palace and I'm digging a big hole in central London before the Sunderland game but I will make kick off its the last thing I do
And if you were a visitor to the city and wanted to watch a game, and don't support either side, what would you do?
Like it or not we have plenty of tourists/neutrals at VP for every game.
Sit in with the home fans and cheer on the home team. Or at the very least sit there and enjoy your neutral football experience however that manifests itself.
I'm only really neutral about teams I don't know about or care about. Chester vs Rochdale? Don't give a shit, but if due to some weird circumstance I find myself in the Chester end, I'll cheer them on for 90 minutes.
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Your right dave of neutrals at every game and all wearing a friendship scarf. And I bet evry one of them can pick out Rooney Gerrard Sanchez etc I welcome them all just as long as there villa fans.
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I bet there are lots of us on here who used to go to places like Coventry in the good old days - and go in the home sections when our section was full - I remember being in their standing area when we scored - looking around I was not the only one smiling and resisting the urge to cheer.