Is celebrating an away goal among home fans ever acceptable?

[cheltenhamlion]

Whiny fucking twat. It happens every year and sounds like the stewards tried to do it as nicely as they could. What definitely is not acceptable is a half and half scarf wearing day tripper, sodden with beer but trying to hide his allegiances, puking all over my fucking seat whilst I was downstairs during half time. My seat was filled with a bloody mop bucket when I came back up.

Pleased to see you've finally accepted that I wasn't the culprit.

Not accepted. I might be blaming the proles but have made a freedom of information request for their CCTV footage to see if it was you, in your 50/50 scarf, that did the honking.

[dave shelley]

Then their dad should've told them. It's not exactly difficult to say "don't jump up and down if a goal goes in for Manu or we might get chucked out". A poor father blaming the club for his stupidity.

I don't think you have kids do you.  No matter what you tell a seven year old, he/she will do one of two things: the complete opposite or ignore what you have said altogether.

Well in tha

Then their dad should've told them. It's not exactly difficult to say "don't jump up and down if a goal goes in for Manu or we might get chucked out". A poor father blaming the club for his stupidity.

I don't think you have kids do you.  No matter what you tell a seven year old, he/she will do one of two things: the complete opposite or ignore what you have said altogether.

Well in that case he should have known the likely outcome of celebrating a man u goal with his kids against the Villa, at Villa Park, in the Villa fans end. I'm struggling to have sympathy really. As others have said; he's either stupid not to realise the possible consequences of his actions, or he's arrogant and didn't give a fuck.

case he should have known the likely outcome of celebrating a man u goal with his kids against the Villa, at Villa Park, in the Villa fans end. I'm struggling to have sympathy really. As others have said; he's either stupid not to realise the possible consequences of his actions, or he's arrogant and didn't give a fuck.

Are you really trying to say that you can tell a child to curb his excitement?  The kids know no better, as has been repeatedly said on this thread, it's the fault of the father.  Storm in a teacup.

[cdbearsfan]

Noses fans are vastly superior to "brummie reds".

Absolutely. With the exception of those who care more about Villa losing than they do their own team winning (which is, admittedly, a large proportion of them) I'd far rather talk to a Small Heath fan about football than a person who chooses a team purely based on where they are in the league.

If I asked about somebody's taste in music and they said "I like whichever band is top of the charts" or if I discussed politics and they said that they "liked whichever party won the last election" I would be quite within my rights to consider them a cretinous imbecile with no intelligence or self-worth and not worthy of talking to. That's exactly how I feel about glory-hunting football "supporters".

[SoccerHQ]

Many many times I've sat in the home end at Arsenal and Stoke when we've played there.

I do get mildly excited when we score but normally do a fist pump with my hands in my coat pockets if you get me.

To me I liken it to when you visit someone's house, you generally abide by their rules e.g. shoes off at the door so yeah I don't think going mental and making it obvious you support the away team in a home area is the brightest thing to do.

Problem is so many of these are people who go to one game a season and generally don't realise this. Those that do and take the mick deserve all they get within reason.

This reminds me of a funny story I read a while ago. A West Ham fan was sitting in the home stand at Chelsea. West Ham were getting battered 5 nil but scored a consolation. Bloke next to him got up and went mental so said fan thinking he was West Ham did the same. Cue funny looks and abuse.

The bloke next to him then loudly said "right I put a fiver on Chelsea winning 5-1 today! What's your excuse?!" Think he made a swift exit!

[hilts_coolerking]

So I suppose it depends if you consider both the examples above as trivial. Are they the same thing? Presumably there is a line that is drawn somewhere.

I guess if the stewards judge that whoever's doing it is doing it expressly to provoke the home fans then they should chuck them out, for safety reasons.  But my point really was that it's kind of depressing that people have so little tolerance and / or self-control that they have to be segregated in the first place.

[cdbearsfan]

I started attending games at eight so not much older. If my dad had said "don't jump up and down if we score or I might get beaten up or we might get thrown out" I'd have done so. I don't blame the child (although he'll no doubt grow up to be a Brummie Red bellend).

I strongly suspect that, not only did the dad not warn them to temper their celebrations, but he actively encouraged them. The pathetic glory-hunting-hiding-behind-his-kids twat.

[olaftab]

So he says the lads are in between but didn't encourage them to celebrate Villa goal but obviously went mental on their equaliser and the lads followed. Deserved everything he got IMO.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

In my experience kids are really good at knowing better...they love rules and guidelines and will gladly tell the world and his mother about anyone who breaks them...but the parent needs to exercise a bit of responsibility.
He didn't and he's trying to blame AVFC for being unreasonable, and has shot himself in the foot on the process.
He bought tickets and chose to ignore the rules.
That's his fault, but the arrogant twat can't see it.

Just hope the kids' teachers are educating them better than he is.
 

[silhillvilla]

So he says the lads are in between but didn't encourage them to celebrate Villa goal but obviously went mental on their equaliser and the lads followed. Deserved everything he got IMO.

That's harsh. These are little children we are talking about here and they're in the family stand !

[dave shelley]

I agree FMWMU, to a point.  What we're discussing here is not the fact that the father is a knob, that's accepted.  I'm sure the kids were well behaved and for the most part did what their parents told them but, they are in a charged atmosphere and, as much as nobody likes the idea of Brummie Reds or whatever their team scored and they got caught up in the excitement.  What were they expected to do?

[cdbearsfan]

I agree FMWMU, to a point.  What we're discussing here is not the fact that the father is a knob, that's accepted.  I'm sure the kids were well behaved and for the most part did what their parents told them but, they are in a charged atmosphere and, as much as nobody likes the idea of Brummie Reds or whatever their team scored and they got caught up in the excitement.  What were they expected to do?

What their dad had told them to do beforehand, if he was a responsible parent.

[cdbearsfan]

So he says the lads are in between but didn't encourage them to celebrate Villa goal but obviously went mental on their equaliser and the lads followed. Deserved everything he got IMO.

That's harsh. These are little children we are talking about here and they're in the family stand !

The family stand is for families of Villa supporters.

[glasses]

I just had a chat with the wife about this and she had exactly the same view as me. That the father was daft for putting his kids in that situation. She has been to home and away matches with me, and said there's no way she would let me take our son in the home end for an away match. An away match full stop until he was at least 15. That in itself is a shame I agree.

She also said a neutral family section would make her feel much more comfortable with it all. You never know. A generation of kids used to sitting next to each other watching the match may mean less violence. I guess this also relies on the grown ups being just that.

[Stu]

Are you really trying to say that you can tell a child to curb his excitement?  The kids know no better, as has been repeatedly said on this thread, it's the fault of the father.  Storm in a teacup.

No, but he should have known the likely effect of a man u goal on his kids. I'd say he did, what with being their dad, and went along with them anyway. It's totally his own fault for taking excitible young Manchester United fans into the Villa end. Perhaps he can get them a different football Christmas present next year, take them to Old Trafford, to see the team they clearly support, and not put his own kids in such a position.

[amfy]

Are you really trying to say that you can tell a child to curb his excitement?  The kids know no better, as has been repeatedly said on this thread, it's the fault of the father.  Storm in a teacup.
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Yes you can tell them - they won't know any better till you do. I was certainly taught there's a time & place for certain behaviours when I was a child. Yes they might forget, but then you can remind them. This Dad could have told them to sit back down quickly and apologised to the fans around him - he could even made some joke about trying everything to get them to support The Villa 'kids today eh?' - & he probably would have got away with it.
He 'gave them a hug'  instead because HE couldn't curb HIS excitement. He had no respect for the fact that it is very clear that he and his kids shouldn't have been there. Elsewhere in the ground, without his kids, rightly or wrongly this would have been very risky behaviour for him. So basically - he expects to be able to use his children as a human shield and yet it is us that are scum!

Arrogance I call it - and you know the most telling line for that arrogance....'We promised we wouldn't jump up and down again' - Funny how he was so sure they'd have cause to - even funnier that even if they'd stayed they didn't.