Ian Taylor left out of tour...

[kippaxvilla2]

There's nothing on newsnow so it can't be that relevant or newsworthy seeing as the engine that carries all Aston Villa news doesn't have any news on it.

[Dave Cooper please]

Right, I admit to having better things to do involving a pub garden, The Open and cricket on my phone, but who exactly has said that Taylor was thrown off the tour by Lambert and are they in anyway a good source of reliable information?

I did a bit of Twitter over the afternoon but it seemed to me that people were just being dead angry without actually knowing any facts. No surprise there then.

[pauliewalnuts]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.

re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.

However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.

It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.

I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.

And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.

That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say

He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.

We didn't bleat when Graham Taylor ripped into the club whilst employed.

Most of us agreed with the 'time warp' comments by John Gregory.

We all knew David James and Gareth Southgate were right.

The club is at the edge and unless people within are at last prepared to speak up then we could find ourselves even more in the dark. We have become a joke in the last 5 years so its time we heard the truth.

This twat yank and his administration are putting our club in a situation matched only by the mid 1960's and I would encourage whistleblowers within every strata of the club to man up, we need people that care to prove it because this is as fucked up as anything under that old bastard ellis.

Fair fucks to Ian Taylor.

The thing is, it's possible to agree with what you say about the current administration - and I do, more or less - whilst still not being surprised by Taylor being left off the tour.

Yes, fair do's to him for being so honest.

I admire him for it.

However, at the same time, I am not even remotely surprised if it is true Lambert wanted him off the tour. I don't blame him for a second. For his preparations for the season, he'd have around the camp someone who has made it clear how much he is in disagreement with his methods.

Taylor has every right to say he is unhappy with the way things are going - which Villa fan wouldn't be? - but he can not then expect to proceed as an employee of the club as if nothing has happened.

[Holte L2]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.

re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.

However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.

It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.

I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.

And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.

That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say

He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.

We didn't bleat when Graham Taylor ripped into the club whilst employed.

Most of us agreed with the 'time warp' comments by John Gregory.

We all knew David James and Gareth Southgate were right.

The club is at the edge and unless people within are at last prepared to speak up then we could find ourselves even more in the dark. We have become a joke in the last 5 years so its time we heard the truth.

This twat yank and his administration are putting our club in a situation matched only by the mid 1960's and I would encourage whistleblowers within every strata of the club to man up, we need people that care to prove it because this is as fucked up as anything under that old bastard ellis.

Fair fucks to Ian Taylor.

The thing is, it's possible to agree with what you say about the current administration - and I do, more or less - whilst still not being surprised by Taylor being left off the tour.

Yes, fair do's to him for being so honest.

I admire him for it.

However, at the same time, I am not even remotely surprised if it is true Lambert wanted him off the tour. I don't blame him for a second. For his preparations for the season, he'd have around the camp someone who has made it clear how much he is in disagreement with his methods.

Taylor has every right to say he is unhappy with the way things are going - which Villa fan wouldn't be? - but he can not then expect to proceed as an employee of the club as if nothing has happened.

I'd be intrigued to hear Taylor's side of it.

What's to say he didn't want to continue under the current regime.

If the rumours are true, then well done Ian Taylor. Let's face it, it's not like he needs the money is it?

[pauliewalnuts]

What difference does it make if he wanted to continue under the current regime?

If this is true, he's criticised the club which employs him. That's the key to it.

[Holte L2]

What difference does it make if he wanted to continue under the current regime?

If this is true, he's criticised the club which employs him. That's the key to it.

It makes a difference if he was bothered about losing his job.

[The Laughing Policeman]

So the internet goes into meltdown over some Twitter message from some journo looking for a story.
Who in the great  scheme of things Aston Villa gives a flying f*ck about who is carrying out the Club Ambassador role on a pre season tour?
Yes, obviously a lot of you on here and other social media. Oh, sorry I forgot it's the silly season, something that seems to come around with regular monotony when discussing Aston Villa.
Time to get back to discussing more serious matters, like our impending relegation at the end of a season that hasn't even started yet. or that Randy might sell the club to a bunch of charlatans.
As I've said before on here.....Twitter= Twatter.
Haven't you got more important things to occupy your minds than an internet rumour?
Now where's that sarcastic emoticon?

[Toronto Villa]

Twitter overdrive. That made me laugh. It needs to filed with us being a national laughing stock, whatever that even means nowadays.

Outside of Villa fans nobody goes two shits about this because in the grand scheme of things this is such a non story being made into something way, way bigger than it is. And what did Ian Taylor even do on these tours that is so critical to the trip? This really isn't a big deal. The season needs to start as soon as possible so we have something legitimate to moan about.

[Malandro]

I'd swear if Max Clifford hadn't been shamed and located in the slammer that he had something to do with Lee hendrie being flavour of the month. I find this the most bizarre part of the story

[kippaxvilla2]

Although I utterly detest them one of the most amusing chants has to be 'there's only one Ian Taylor' by the manure fans at Villa Park.  Within ten minutes of his introduction as sub we were 3-2 down in THAT game.

[Clampy]

I follow Tayls on Twitter and I've listened to him whenever he's been on the Phone in's with Tom Ross and unless I've missed something, he hasn't really said anything too controversial anyway. You could tell by some of his tweets last season that he was disappointed with the results but who wasn't?

[john e]

So what is the role of an ambassador.  Criticising the club doesn't fall under the job description I would have thought, unless that is what the club want to put out.

And there you go, OMVF, the best description of the issue we've seen today. That's exactly it.

Where are these tweets of Taylor criticising the club ?

[Ron Manager]

Ian Taylor has not said anything controversial. Just stated the obvious. 'We have to do better' etc etc. Steve Bull quite often said things of that nature when Wolves were falling apart. But he is a genuine lad just as Ian Taylor is.

But I agree that if you are being paid by the club at any level you must toe the line or accept the consequences.

Lambert appears to adopting a siege mentality in the hope that things will improve for himself and the club.

As he was not prepared to resign it is probably the right thing to do.

[Chipsticks]

So what is the role of an ambassador.  Criticising the club doesn't fall under the job description I would have thought, unless that is what the club want to put out.

And there you go, OMVF, the best description of the issue we've seen today. That's exactly it.

Where are these tweets of Taylor criticising the club ?

He will have deleted them by now.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Good job we've got Roy Keane with us now. He'd never criticise his employers