Ian Taylor left out of tour...

[Steve67]

So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?

I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.   

So he is supposed to toe the line and say exactly what?

He is the club's ambassador and needs to be more tactful. That's the easy thing to understand. Not sure why you are disagreeing? I think Taylor has only said what many of us are thinking.  But, as the club's ambassador, he needs to be more thoughtful. As a fan, and an individual, as a non-employee even, he can say what he likes. In short, he represents the club, not the fans. That said, pro-Taylor, screw Lambert.

[TheEgo]

You don't get it, your reply there is exactly what I mean.  You've already decided it's true despite his replacement giving a perfectly reasonable alternative suggestion.  Therefore you're one of the people finding any excuse to point fingers at Lambert.

Not any excuse. I've already said I can see it from his perspective, however it could have been handled better and of course it's true. If it wasn't Ian Taylor would have tweeted not true and then something about his bloody headphones. I know via Paul F he was told to not go and given Taylor not denying it, I'm taking an educated guess he wasn't invited. It's an OPINION, it may differ from yours, but hey ho, that's life. Lambert has done enough wrong in 2 years without needing this to hammer him with.

[Steve67]

@MatKendrick: Luna, Tonev & Carruthers are the notable absentees from the #avfc squad in Texas. And Vlaar, of course, who is having a well-earned rest. And Robinson. (Tour thread or 14-15 thread?)

Hopefully, outgoings very soon then. Carruthers out on loan, Tonev and Luna out full stop. Also, hopefully, outgoings mean incomings!!

[PeterWithesShin]

If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Seems

26/4 after Swansea away

“@IanTaylor7: Time to get real!! The table doesn't lie!! We're in the deep stuff!! #AVFC #fuming http://twitter.com/IanTaylor7/status/460128329098866688/photo/1”

Nothing either controversial or untrue in that. A bit more of that level of honesty and passion from those running the club would be a good thing.

Lambert has said the same, perhaps even more bluntly. So yes I think his recognition that things have to change is a good thing.

"I don't want another season like this or last year, this club cannot have another one," he said. "I understand what could happen, I'm not naive.
"I never came here for it to be like this. Off the pitch, the finances are a lot healthier, that's progress in itself. But things haven't progressed the way I've wanted, I didn't come here for it to be like this. It can't keep doing this."

So what has Ian Taylor done wrong? Very strange

My opinion? He has done nothing wrong, except bail from a tour because of his other business commitments.

Until proven otherwise I do not believe the story he was asked not to come.

[villan from luton]

If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.

Would you then employ Lee Hendrie?

[john e]

So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?

I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.   

If it was personal, abusive or over the top criticism I would agree with you

I don't agree that he should 'expect' this sort of comeback from what I've seen him tweet so far

Twitter isn't the only medium in the world. He has a Mail column for a start.

We'll I agree there must be some more to it than a couple of non descript tweets

[PeterWithesShin]

If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.

Would you then employ Lee Hendrie?

If I believed he could do the job well then yes.

[john e]

If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.

Would you then employ Lee Hendrie?

I
If I believed he could do the job well then yes.

I haven't got a problem with Lee hendrie either

[TheEgo]

If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.

Firstly lambert doesn't employ him, the club does and secondly Lambert agreed with all that Taylor said (we're not good enough and we need to improve, the fans deserve better etc) so I don't get what Lambert's problem is. Is he that sensitive?! If true and I think it is, then he needs to be bigger than that.

I get the ambassador bit, however you could flip that and say he in his role was pointing out what we were all saying and thinking, he'd look like comical Ali if he started tweeting all Is well and things are looking rosey. Lambert needs to grow a pair of balls and stop sulking. Clean slate for everyone bar Taylor by the look of it. What's wrong with having it out with him and then moving on. He's got form for this kind of thing at Norwich and very very lucky to still have a job, but that's a whole other debate.

[PeterWithesShin]

If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.

Firstly lambert doesn't employ him, the club does and secondly Lambert agreed with all that Taylor said (we're not good enough and we need to improve, the fans deserve better etc) so I don't get what Lambert's problem is. Is he that sensitive?! If true and I think it is, then he needs to be bigger than that.

I get the ambassador bit, however you could flip that and say he in his role was pointing out what we were all saying and thinking, he'd look like comical Ali if he started tweeting all Is well and things are looking rosey. Lambert needs to grow a pair of balls and stop sulking. Clean slate for everyone bar Taylor by the look of it. What's wrong with having it out with him and then moving on. He's got form for this kind of thing at Norwich and very very lucky to still have a job, but that's a whole other debate.

We don't know if Taylor isn't there because of his other work.
If it is because of things he said, we don't know what Tayls said that has pissed someone off. We don't know who he pissed off. We don't know who decided he shouldn't go on the tour.

However my point was aimed at those who seem to think Taylor can speak with impunity rather than have potential comebacks from his employers. It doesn't matter if I, or all of us, agree with what he said, he is paid by Aston Villa to do a job for Aston Villa and if they aren't happy with him for whatever reason then I can see why he isn't on the tour. Which again, is far from proven as being the case anyway.

[Dante Lavelli]

So is it fact that he was asked to not attend?  Hendrie suggested that he other commitments.
I'd imagine he earns more from being an agent than the villa gig so it doesn't surprise me he is prioritising other parts of his business portfolio.

Why is everyone assuming that he was barred from attending, what article or announcement have I missed?

[pauliewalnuts]

@MatKendrick: Luna, Tonev & Carruthers are the notable absentees from the #avfc squad in Texas. And Vlaar, of course, who is having a well-earned rest. And Robinson. (Tour thread or 14-15 thread?)

What is up with Tonev?

Featured at Mansfield, is he on the move?

[UK Redsox]

@MatKendrick: Luna, Tonev & Carruthers are the notable absentees from the #avfc squad in Texas. And Vlaar, of course, who is having a well-earned rest. And Robinson. (Tour thread or 14-15 thread?)

What is up with Tonev?

Featured at Mansfield, is he on the move?

Maybe Mansfield liked what they saw and made Villa an offer.

[TheEgo]

If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.

Firstly lambert doesn't employ him, the club does and secondly Lambert agreed with all that Taylor said (we're not good enough and we need to improve, the fans deserve better etc) so I don't get what Lambert's problem is. Is he that sensitive?! If true and I think it is, then he needs to be bigger than that.

I get the ambassador bit, however you could flip that and say he in his role was pointing out what we were all saying and thinking, he'd look like comical Ali if he started tweeting all Is well and things are looking rosey. Lambert needs to grow a pair of balls and stop sulking. Clean slate for everyone bar Taylor by the look of it. What's wrong with having it out with him and then moving on. He's got form for this kind of thing at Norwich and very very lucky to still have a job, but that's a whole other debate.

We don't know if Taylor isn't there because of his other work.
If it is because of things he said, we don't know what Tayls said that has pissed someone off. We don't know who he pissed off. We don't know who decided he shouldn't go on the tour.

However my point was aimed at those who seem to think Taylor can speak with impunity rather than have potential comebacks from his employers. It doesn't matter if I, or all of us, agree with what he said, he is paid by Aston Villa to do a job for Aston Villa and if they aren't happy with him for whatever reason then I can see why he isn't on the tour. Which again, is far from proven as being the case anyway.

Fair enough. I have it pretty much from the horses mouth that he was told he wasn't welcome on the tour. However I agree with the second paragraph, he does leave himself open when commenting on the club. I think if there wasn't so much uncertainty in general then this wouldn't be an issue...would it?!