So is it fact that he was asked to not attend? Hendrie suggested that he other commitments.I'd imagine he earns more from being an agent than the villa gig so it doesn't surprise me he is prioritising other parts of his business portfolio.Why is everyone assuming that he was barred from attending, what article or announcement have I missed?
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2014, 10:42:00 PMSo is it fact that he was asked to not attend? Hendrie suggested that he other commitments.I'd imagine he earns more from being an agent than the villa gig so it doesn't surprise me he is prioritising other parts of his business portfolio.Why is everyone assuming that he was barred from attending, what article or announcement have I missed?No announcement as such. Matt law tweeted he was angry to learn Taylor had been told not to attend. This was followed by a few other journos tweeting. Twitter then went into overdrive.
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 20, 2014, 10:32:57 PMQuote from: TheEgo on July 20, 2014, 10:18:53 PMQuote from: PeterWithesShin on July 20, 2014, 10:08:04 PMIf I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.Firstly lambert doesn't employ him, the club does and secondly Lambert agreed with all that Taylor said (we're not good enough and we need to improve, the fans deserve better etc) so I don't get what Lambert's problem is. Is he that sensitive?! If true and I think it is, then he needs to be bigger than that. I get the ambassador bit, however you could flip that and say he in his role was pointing out what we were all saying and thinking, he'd look like comical Ali if he started tweeting all Is well and things are looking rosey. Lambert needs to grow a pair of balls and stop sulking. Clean slate for everyone bar Taylor by the look of it. What's wrong with having it out with him and then moving on. He's got form for this kind of thing at Norwich and very very lucky to still have a job, but that's a whole other debate. We don't know if Taylor isn't there because of his other work. If it is because of things he said, we don't know what Tayls said that has pissed someone off. We don't know who he pissed off. We don't know who decided he shouldn't go on the tour.However my point was aimed at those who seem to think Taylor can speak with impunity rather than have potential comebacks from his employers. It doesn't matter if I, or all of us, agree with what he said, he is paid by Aston Villa to do a job for Aston Villa and if they aren't happy with him for whatever reason then I can see why he isn't on the tour. Which again, is far from proven as being the case anyway. Fair enough. I have it pretty much from the horses mouth that he was told he wasn't welcome on the tour. However I agree with the second paragraph, he does leave himself open when commenting on the club. I think if there wasn't so much uncertainty in general then this wouldn't be an issue...would it?!
Quote from: TheEgo on July 20, 2014, 10:18:53 PMQuote from: PeterWithesShin on July 20, 2014, 10:08:04 PMIf I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.Firstly lambert doesn't employ him, the club does and secondly Lambert agreed with all that Taylor said (we're not good enough and we need to improve, the fans deserve better etc) so I don't get what Lambert's problem is. Is he that sensitive?! If true and I think it is, then he needs to be bigger than that. I get the ambassador bit, however you could flip that and say he in his role was pointing out what we were all saying and thinking, he'd look like comical Ali if he started tweeting all Is well and things are looking rosey. Lambert needs to grow a pair of balls and stop sulking. Clean slate for everyone bar Taylor by the look of it. What's wrong with having it out with him and then moving on. He's got form for this kind of thing at Norwich and very very lucky to still have a job, but that's a whole other debate. We don't know if Taylor isn't there because of his other work. If it is because of things he said, we don't know what Tayls said that has pissed someone off. We don't know who he pissed off. We don't know who decided he shouldn't go on the tour.However my point was aimed at those who seem to think Taylor can speak with impunity rather than have potential comebacks from his employers. It doesn't matter if I, or all of us, agree with what he said, he is paid by Aston Villa to do a job for Aston Villa and if they aren't happy with him for whatever reason then I can see why he isn't on the tour. Which again, is far from proven as being the case anyway.
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 20, 2014, 10:08:04 PMIf I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.Firstly lambert doesn't employ him, the club does and secondly Lambert agreed with all that Taylor said (we're not good enough and we need to improve, the fans deserve better etc) so I don't get what Lambert's problem is. Is he that sensitive?! If true and I think it is, then he needs to be bigger than that. I get the ambassador bit, however you could flip that and say he in his role was pointing out what we were all saying and thinking, he'd look like comical Ali if he started tweeting all Is well and things are looking rosey. Lambert needs to grow a pair of balls and stop sulking. Clean slate for everyone bar Taylor by the look of it. What's wrong with having it out with him and then moving on. He's got form for this kind of thing at Norwich and very very lucky to still have a job, but that's a whole other debate.
If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.
9 pages on this?
So what is the role of an ambassador. Criticising the club doesn't fall under the job description I would have thought, unless that is what the club want to put out.
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 20, 2014, 10:08:04 PMIf I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.Would you then employ Lee Hendrie?
Let's be honest, it's not really twitter going into overdrive, is it? It'll be a few people moaning for a bit, maybe TBAR going into meltdown (thus involving the 20 or so people online there at any one time), and a bit of tutting on a few other forums.Is anyone really, really that bothered?If we're being honest?Strikes me there are about 500 more important things to be bothered about regarding Villa at the moment, but maybe I'm missing the point somewhere.
Quote from: villan from luton on July 20, 2014, 06:33:12 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2014, 06:22:07 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 20, 2014, 06:18:08 PMConsidering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks. I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2014, 06:22:07 PMQuote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 20, 2014, 06:18:08 PMConsidering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks. I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on July 20, 2014, 06:18:08 PMConsidering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks. I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?
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