Ian Taylor left out of tour...

[villan from luton]

Disagreed with, but without a point, rather strange eh?

[Saunders9]

26/4 after Swansea away

“@IanTaylor7: Time to get real!! The table doesn't lie!! We're in the deep stuff!! #AVFC #fuming http://twitter.com/IanTaylor7/status/460128329098866688/photo/1”

[dave.woodhall]

Disagreed with, but without a point, rather strange eh?

What do you mean by that? Nobody's saying he was wrong, nobody's saying he should keep quiet. The point, the one being debated, is that nobody can expect to criticise their employer without comeback. 

[villan from luton]

So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?

[john e]

Disagreed with, but without a point, rather strange eh?

What do you mean by that? Nobody's saying he was wrong, nobody's saying he should keep quiet. The point, the one being debated, is that nobody can expect to criticise their employer without comeback. 

Criticism, do you honestly feel that the two tweets people have found warrant Taylor to be left behind ?

It's so absurd weak willed and small minded, I can't actually believe it's happened,
 like Hendry says Taylor couldn't make it and and for the time being that's what I'm going to believe happened

Because what Taylor had said in his inoffensive tweets is not criticism that warrants any action

[dave.woodhall]

So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?

I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.   

[john e]

A guy at my place got the sack for saying the boss' head looked like a tomato from his work email address.

I bet the boss was a right twat though wasn't he
You know the sort that can't take any criticism because he's rubbish at what he does

All true.  ...and his face does resemble a tomato.

You could get the sack for that !

[mike]

26/4 after Swansea away

“@IanTaylor7: Time to get real!! The table doesn't lie!! We're in the deep stuff!! #AVFC #fuming http://twitter.com/IanTaylor7/status/460128329098866688/photo/1”

Nothing either controversial or untrue in that. A bit more of that level of honesty and passion from those running the club would be a good thing.

[villan from luton]

So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?

I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.   

So he is supposed to toe the line and say exactly what?

[paulcomben]

@MatKendrick: Luna, Tonev & Carruthers are the notable absentees from the #avfc squad in Texas. And Vlaar, of course, who is having a well-earned rest. And Robinson. (Tour thread or 14-15 thread?)

[ciggiesnbeer]

26/4 after Swansea away

“@IanTaylor7: Time to get real!! The table doesn't lie!! We're in the deep stuff!! #AVFC #fuming http://twitter.com/IanTaylor7/status/460128329098866688/photo/1”

Nothing either controversial or untrue in that. A bit more of that level of honesty and passion from those running the club would be a good thing.

Lambert has said the same, perhaps even more bluntly. So yes I think his recognition that things have to change is a good thing.

"I don't want another season like this or last year, this club cannot have another one," he said. "I understand what could happen, I'm not naive.
"I never came here for it to be like this. Off the pitch, the finances are a lot healthier, that's progress in itself. But things haven't progressed the way I've wanted, I didn't come here for it to be like this. It can't keep doing this."

[dave.woodhall]

So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?

I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.   

So he is supposed to toe the line and say exactly what?

How many more times do I have to say it? He can say whatever he likes, it's up to him. But - he gets paid by Aston Villa to be the club ambassador. To put Aston Villa in a good light. If he then publicly criticises Aston Villa there's a good chance the people who pay his wages might think their money could be better spent elsewhere. That's the choice he makes.

[john e]

So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?

I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.   

If it was personal, abusive or over the top criticism I would agree with you

I don't agree that he should 'expect' this sort of comeback from what I've seen him tweet so far

[dave.woodhall]

So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?

I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.   

If it was personal, abusive or over the top criticism I would agree with you

I don't agree that he should 'expect' this sort of comeback from what I've seen him tweet so far

Twitter isn't the only medium in the world. He has a Mail column for a start.

[villan from luton]

Seems

26/4 after Swansea away

“@IanTaylor7: Time to get real!! The table doesn't lie!! We're in the deep stuff!! #AVFC #fuming http://twitter.com/IanTaylor7/status/460128329098866688/photo/1”

Nothing either controversial or untrue in that. A bit more of that level of honesty and passion from those running the club would be a good thing.

Lambert has said the same, perhaps even more bluntly. So yes I think his recognition that things have to change is a good thing.

"I don't want another season like this or last year, this club cannot have another one," he said. "I understand what could happen, I'm not naive.
"I never came here for it to be like this. Off the pitch, the finances are a lot healthier, that's progress in itself. But things haven't progressed the way I've wanted, I didn't come here for it to be like this. It can't keep doing this."

So what has Ian Taylor done wrong? Very strange