Aston Villa v Sheffield United Post-Match Thread

[eastie]

I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0

Welcome gaza .

That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(

Yep Wednesday night I think.

[pauliewalnuts]

O.K, if there was sycophancy, who was being sycophantic? Maybe it happened, but I don't recall it. I do recall some of the abuse he took, which was pretty lame in my opinion.

The bottom line is, he didn't deserve it, regardless of your opinion of his worth on the forums. I found some of it embarrassing. Anyway, ancient history now. I'll remember the novelty with fondness at least.

Yes, I would agree he didn't deserve the abuse, of course not, but the sycophancy and the abuse are two separate issues. There isn't much relevance of the one to the other.

As for who was being sycophantic, we mean this sort of thing.

I've taken out the poster's name (although he doesn't post here any more), but i searched his name and the word Krulak, and this is the first result.

GK, nothing but the best response yet again. I don't know why we bother with all of the various threads on this site, we just need to communicate with you.
You simply do not have enough time to devote to your other ventures and keep Mrs K happy, you need to be an interactive answer system for us on here !
Thanks again

[pauliewalnuts]

I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0

Welcome gaza .

That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(

I remember going there in the 87-8 season, and thinking it was entirely possible that I would never, ever be as cold as that at a football match again for the rest of my life.

[Pat McMahon]

agree, terrible defending and Benteke should have buried the first half header... nice to see Helenius get a goal, he took it well.

Benteke has probably been coached to head the ball downwards and this is a flaw in football coaching, in my view. There are times for that but the Swansea player this afternoon showed how it should be done.

Me too - I was coached that forwards head down and defenders head up.

[LeeB]

The General was full of shit towards the end.
Anybody remember when TSM was appointed,top 4/5 with the right backing,both of those are still floating in the wind.

i think that's very harsh. He was doing what he thought he needed to do. To say he was full of shit is unreasonable, in my opinion.

As for defending the McLeish appointment, well, really, that was a state of affairs so ridiculously surreal, I don't think there's a person on the planet who could have come up with a satisfactory bit of logic to explain that.

Word is that now they've found the God particle in CERN, they're moving on to this next.

[LeeB]

agree, terrible defending and Benteke should have buried the first half header... nice to see Helenius get a goal, he took it well.

Benteke has probably been coached to head the ball downwards and this is a flaw in football coaching, in my view. There are times for that but the Swansea player this afternoon showed how it should be done.

Me too - I was coached that forwards head down and defenders head up.

Having played a bit in goal as well as up top, I'd say to head down every time.

[taylorsworkrate]

O.K, if there was sycophancy, who was being sycophantic? Maybe it happened, but I don't recall it. I do recall some of the abuse he took, which was pretty lame in my opinion.

The bottom line is, he didn't deserve it, regardless of your opinion of his worth on the forums. I found some of it embarrassing. Anyway, ancient history now. I'll remember the novelty with fondness at least.

Yes, I would agree he didn't deserve the abuse, of course not, but the sycophancy and the abuse are two separate issues. There isn't much relevance of the one to the other.

As for who was being sycophantic, we mean this sort of thing.

I've taken out the poster's name (although he doesn't post here any more), but i searched his name and the word Krulak, and this is the first result.

GK, nothing but the best response yet again. I don't know why we bother with all of the various threads on this site, we just need to communicate with you.
You simply do not have enough time to devote to your other ventures and keep Mrs K happy, you need to be an interactive answer system for us on here !
Thanks again

Bloody hell. Whoever it was is probably still wiping the brown stuff off his/her nose.

[bertlambshank]

Was it peterw ?

[Damo70]

I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0

Welcome gaza .

That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(

I remember going there in the 87-8 season, and thinking it was entirely possible that I would never, ever be as cold as that at a football match again for the rest of my life.

Oldham 1990 was a downer, as was Liverpool two years later. I really thought we would beat them. But the biggest downer for me was Charlton '87. Forget Sheffield Wednesday, Charlton was the day we got relegated for me. Huddersfield '87 is the wettest I have ever been at a game. A midweek goalless draw at Notts County in the BFR years was the coldest I have been.

[Herman]

O.K, if there was sycophancy, who was being sycophantic? Maybe it happened, but I don't recall it. I do recall some of the abuse he took, which was pretty lame in my opinion.

The bottom line is, he didn't deserve it, regardless of your opinion of his worth on the forums. I found some of it embarrassing. Anyway, ancient history now. I'll remember the novelty with fondness at least.

Yes, I would agree he didn't deserve the abuse, of course not, but the sycophancy and the abuse are two separate issues. There isn't much relevance of the one to the other.

As for who was being sycophantic, we mean this sort of thing.

I've taken out the poster's name (although he doesn't post here any more), but i searched his name and the word Krulak, and this is the first result.

GK, nothing but the best response yet again. I don't know why we bother with all of the various threads on this site, we just need to communicate with you.
You simply do not have enough time to devote to your other ventures and keep Mrs K happy, you need to be an interactive answer system for us on here !
Thanks again

I don't know what this proves other than there was a poster who posted a crass load of bollox and I'm sure that there will be other examples that are not unique to the General's thread. I assume that there are just as many other posts on that thread that were simply being argumentative, disrespectful or downright provocative, posted by someone with an axe to grind, about something that he was unable to deal with (be those for business reasons or football reasons).
From my perspective, the thread was a unique opportunity to have access to someone with real influence. Unfortunately it degenerated into posters wanting answers that he was either unable, reluctant or unwilling to give. I don't think that he was here for people to chuck shit at whenever they had their arse in their hands over something.  I thought at the time, that (without any need for being sycophantic) the lack of common decency that he was afforded was piss poor from certain quarters.   

[Richard E]

I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0

Welcome gaza .

That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(

I remember going there in the 87-8 season, and thinking it was entirely possible that I would never, ever be as cold as that at a football match again for the rest of my life.

Oldham 1990 was a downer, as was Liverpool two years later. I really thought we would beat them. But the biggest downer for me was Charlton '87. Forget Sheffield Wednesday, Charlton was the day we got relegated for me. Huddersfield '87 is the wettest I have ever been at a game. A midweek goalless draw at Notts County in the BFR years was the coldest I have been.

I was at Uni in Nottingham when we played that game at County. Open away end and a thin t-shirt. I thought I was going to die of hypothermia. Dire game. We were awarded a penalty for reasons no one in the entire ground could fathom and promptly missed it.

[eastie]

I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0

Welcome gaza .

That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(

I remember going there in the 87-8 season, and thinking it was entirely possible that I would never, ever be as cold as that at a football match again for the rest of my life.

Oldham 1990 was a downer, as was Liverpool two years later. I really thought we would beat them. But the biggest downer for me was Charlton '87. Forget Sheffield Wednesday, Charlton was the day we got relegated for me. Huddersfield '87 is the wettest I have ever been at a game. A midweek goalless draw at Notts County in the BFR years was the coldest I have been.

Coldest by a mile was a bitter winters day at roker park - wind blowin in off the sea and freezing cold rain - there were only a small number of us there - think it was 1984 - we won 4-0 but it was so bloody cold and wet and an open end.

[brian green]

That Charlton 87 is a horror show that sticks in my mind.   Wasn't that the game when Andy Gray hit our crossbar with a pass back to the goalkeeper?   That Huddersfield game was horrible too.   The only bit of me that was dry was my feet then I went for a piss and the "toilets" were little more than a black tar painted outhouse.   All the drains were blocked so my feet got as wet as the rest of me.   The Southampton game when we went 4-0 down after 20 minutes is also in the black museum.   The home fans were allowed to walk on a gantry over the visiting fans.   I got hit on the head by a dustbin lid. And there was that game we lost at Watford when the coppers made us walk about ten times around the local allotments before they would let us go to our buses and cars.   When was that?   Early 90s?

[pauliewalnuts]

O.K, if there was sycophancy, who was being sycophantic? Maybe it happened, but I don't recall it. I do recall some of the abuse he took, which was pretty lame in my opinion.

The bottom line is, he didn't deserve it, regardless of your opinion of his worth on the forums. I found some of it embarrassing. Anyway, ancient history now. I'll remember the novelty with fondness at least.

Yes, I would agree he didn't deserve the abuse, of course not, but the sycophancy and the abuse are two separate issues. There isn't much relevance of the one to the other.

As for who was being sycophantic, we mean this sort of thing.

I've taken out the poster's name (although he doesn't post here any more), but i searched his name and the word Krulak, and this is the first result.

GK, nothing but the best response yet again. I don't know why we bother with all of the various threads on this site, we just need to communicate with you.
You simply do not have enough time to devote to your other ventures and keep Mrs K happy, you need to be an interactive answer system for us on here !
Thanks again

I don't know what this proves other than there was a poster who posted a crass load of bollox and I'm sure that there will be other examples that are not unique to the General's thread. I assume that there are just as many other posts on that thread that were simply being argumentative, disrespectful or downright provocative, posted by someone with an axe to grind, about something that he was unable to deal with (be those for business reasons or football reasons).
From my perspective, the thread was a unique opportunity to have access to someone with real influence. Unfortunately it degenerated into posters wanting answers that he was either unable, reluctant or unwilling to give. I don't think that he was here for people to chuck shit at whenever they had their arse in their hands over something.  I thought at the time, that (without any need for being sycophantic) the lack of common decency that he was afforded was piss poor from certain quarters.   

You're right, there was a lack of common decency from a lot of people, I said that in my original post, I was one of the people trying to stop people being so petulant all the time on there, you don't have to tell me that.

That does not, however, change the fact that there was also an immense amount of sycophancy. I am not suggesting one was worse than the other, or that one excused the other, or anything of the sort.

The reason I posted that was because Mazrim didn't seem to accept that there was sycophancy, and specifically asked who it was from. I thought of the very first poster who had a good line in that at the time, searched his posts, and posted that as an example.

If you are trying to make out that I am saying the sycophancy made the abuse acceptable, then you're absolutely miles wide of the mark, I am saying absolutely nothing of the sort.

Ultimately, that thread became far more trouble than it was worth. We'd ask people not to go on about footballing matters, and they'd just ignore it, sometimes in the very next post. We'd ask people not to engage in childish abuse (like calling him "Mr Krulak", for example), and get ignored.

Trust me, I am under absolutely no illiusions about some of the absolute nonsense that went on in that thread, it created ten times the trouble for moderators than the rest of the site combined. You are utterly preaching to the converted on that point.

[tomd2103]

I found Oldham away a real downer I think it was 89/90 when we finished runners up - I thought it could be our cup year but we rolled over 3-0

Welcome gaza .

That was a bad game, midweeker I recall ? Horrible plastic pitch and we just never got going. Left on about 70 mins got back to the car to find we'd been blocked in and couldn't move. Listened glumly to rest of game on the car radio :-(

I remember going there in the 87-8 season, and thinking it was entirely possible that I would never, ever be as cold as that at a football match again for the rest of my life.

Oldham 1990 was a downer, as was Liverpool two years later. I really thought we would beat them. But the biggest downer for me was Charlton '87. Forget Sheffield Wednesday, Charlton was the day we got relegated for me. Huddersfield '87 is the wettest I have ever been at a game. A midweek goalless draw at Notts County in the BFR years was the coldest I have been.

I remember geting absolutely soaked in the game against Port Vale at home in the FA Cup in 1990.  We won 6-0 and I remember Paul Birch scoring a screamer.