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Online Clampy

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #465 on: December 19, 2013, 09:16:51 AM »
Many of his signings  have been awful.

Young players bought cheaply are generally a gamble, some come off, some don't.


And at least we're not wasting £8m-£10m on average players anymore which are costing us a fortune in wages.

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #466 on: December 19, 2013, 09:24:18 AM »
Many of his signings  have been awful.

Young players bought cheaply are generally a gamble, some come off, some don't.


And at least we're not wasting £8m-£10m on average players anymore which are costing us a fortune in wages.

And most of these are young enough that they can still improve.

Look how much stick Ron Vlaar got last season - i'll never understand why people are so quick to write off our players.

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #467 on: December 19, 2013, 09:31:08 AM »
Many of his signings  have been awful.

Young players bought cheaply are generally a gamble, some come off, some don't.


And at least we're not wasting £8m-£10m on average players anymore which are costing us a fortune in wages.

And most of these are young enough that they can still improve.

Look how much stick Ron Vlaar got last season - i'll never understand why people are so quick to write off our players.

No, me neither. In some cases, it's absoutely ridiculous.

Offline bobdylan

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #468 on: December 19, 2013, 09:33:23 AM »
Kozak at £7mill is hardly cheap when we already had Benteke, Helenius, Bowery, Gabby and Weimann.

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #469 on: December 19, 2013, 09:36:13 AM »
Kozak at £7mill is hardly cheap when we already had Benteke, Helenius, Bowery, Gabby and Weimann.

Kozak will prove a bargain in my opinion although I take your point that we had plenty of strikers and maybe there were more urgent priorities in the squad .
I don't think anyone could have expected to get to Xmas with Weimann and gabby only having one goal each in the league.

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #470 on: December 19, 2013, 10:34:13 AM »
Kozak at £7mill is hardly cheap when we already had Benteke, Helenius, Bowery, Gabby and Weimann.

Kozak will prove a bargain in my opinion although I take your point that we had plenty of strikers and maybe there were more urgent priorities in the squad .
I don't think anyone could have expected to get to Xmas with Weimann and gabby only having one goal each in the league.

Helinius is obviously not ready, See Bowery. Weiman and Benteke are out of form, you need other options

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #471 on: December 19, 2013, 01:13:37 PM »
I thought Kozak was £5m with add-ons.

I thought he was an odd signing too, given the strikers we already had. That said, Helenius is still too raw, possibility of being loaned out for a spell, and I don't see Bowery making it at this level. Gabby and Weimann have a league goal each. Benteke's form has totally dipped.

Kozak has three league goals in something like six starts.

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #472 on: December 19, 2013, 03:00:12 PM »
The key thing with Kozak is that everyone seems to think that if we hadn't signed him we could've got an attacking midfielder instead but I don't see any evidence to suggest that would've happened.  As far as I'm concerned we didn't find the midfielder we wanted for a price we were willing to pay and then, in an unrelated event, a striker that Lambert was very interested in became available late in the window and the board backed him to get his man.  If the midfielder had been available I think we'd have got both.

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #473 on: December 19, 2013, 03:14:37 PM »
The key thing with Kozak is that everyone seems to think that if we hadn't signed him we could've got an attacking midfielder instead but I don't see any evidence to suggest that would've happened.  As far as I'm concerned we didn't find the midfielder we wanted for a price we were willing to pay and then, in an unrelated event, a striker that Lambert was very interested in became available late in the window and the board backed him to get his man.  If the midfielder had been available I think we'd have got both.

Totally agree, I think he failed to get one target and got Kozak but that had both been available i think he would have got both - I don't think its a case of not having any money , more a case of not being able to get the player he wanted at that moment in time .

Seems clear he was looking for a midfielder with creativity and had also tracked Kozak for a long time in a different position .

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #474 on: December 19, 2013, 03:15:16 PM »
The key thing with Kozak is that everyone seems to think that if we hadn't signed him we could've got an attacking midfielder instead but I don't see any evidence to suggest that would've happened.  As far as I'm concerned we didn't find the midfielder we wanted for a price we were willing to pay and then, in an unrelated event, a striker that Lambert was very interested in became available late in the window and the board backed him to get his man.  If the midfielder had been available I think we'd have got both.

This seems to be too abstract a concept for people to grasp.

Offline Tuco Salamanca

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #475 on: December 19, 2013, 03:17:41 PM »
I don't want him gone.

The reason we're crap is because we have have crap players. That's partly PL's fault admittedly but if you buy young £2m players you get a championship standard team. Which is what we are with the exceptions of Vlaar, Delph, Benteke & Guzan.

I don't expect us to be particularly good, but I do want us to be watchable. Like the end of last season. Which is why I was so concerned by the signing of Kozak. You just don't sign a 6'5" lump if you are intent on playing like Arsenal.

I hope the 'brand' of football we have seen so far this season isn't what we can expect from the rest of his reign. It's boring. I'm bored.

I think we'll go very close to going down- we look as bad as anyone in the league at the moment. But I don't see anyone else doing any better with the players available.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2013, 03:21:24 PM by Tuco Salamanca »

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #476 on: December 19, 2013, 03:17:57 PM »
The key thing with Kozak is that everyone seems to think that if we hadn't signed him we could've got an attacking midfielder instead but I don't see any evidence to suggest that would've happened.  As far as I'm concerned we didn't find the midfielder we wanted for a price we were willing to pay and then, in an unrelated event, a striker that Lambert was very interested in became available late in the window and the board backed him to get his man.  If the midfielder had been available I think we'd have got both.

This seems to be too abstract a concept for people to grasp.

there was never any suggestion of it either or from the manager. I think Lambert has specific targets in mind and he waits to get them. I'm sure they have players in mind in January that could very well have been on the radar from the summer.

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #477 on: December 19, 2013, 03:20:00 PM »
Quite possible that he may already have a deal in place for a midfielder in the summer similar to the way cabaye was supposedly lined up by houllier .

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #478 on: December 19, 2013, 03:21:29 PM »
I don't expect us to be particularly good. But I do want us to be watchable. Like the end of last season. Which is why I was so concerned by the signing of Kozak. You just don't sign a 6'5" lump if you are intent on playing like Arsenal.
Don't Arsenal have two recognised strikers on their books, one of whom is 6'5" and the other of whom is 6'4"?

Offline Tuco Salamanca

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Re: How would you feel....
« Reply #479 on: December 19, 2013, 03:26:04 PM »
I don't expect us to be particularly good. But I do want us to be watchable. Like the end of last season. Which is why I was so concerned by the signing of Kozak. You just don't sign a 6'5" lump if you are intent on playing like Arsenal.
Don't Arsenal have two recognised strikers on their books, one of whom is 6'5" and the other of whom is 6'4"?

The key word being 'lump' (I'm pretty sure Bendtner isn't there through Wenger's choice by the way).

I don't rate Kozak to be honest and I believe Lambert bought him with a specific style of football in mind. I don't think he can play in a more 'progressive', shall we say, style.

I'd love to be wrong.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2013, 03:33:55 PM by Tuco Salamanca »

 


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