Lambert in or out? Poll reset with majority 'in', 7th May

[pauliewalnuts]

Still in for me. You can't keep sacking managers, paying up their contracts, paying for a new guy to come in, use a season for them to work with a squad to see what he has to work with and then starting the process all over again. A big rebuild job was needed last summer than he realised and we might have to bite the bullet and rebuild from the Championship but it's insane to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results.

If we get relegated I'm sure we will be floundering in the bottom half like Blackburn,Bolton,Blues and Wolves.Just because we've sacked a few managers recently doesn't mean we should keep on a shit one

No, but the cost of doing so, and the absence of anyone immedaitely available who is likely to do better, and the fast disappearing transfer window are a good rason not to sack him.

It's like some of you haven't noticed the terrible fucking squad and the rapidly decreasing amount of time left in which to do something about it.

[saunders_heroes]

Still in for me.
Yes we're probably going down but I can't think of a better manager, who would want the job, to bring us back up.

I'm struggling to think of a manager who'd be worse. Poss Les Reed the ill fated failure at Charlton, Venglos, McNeill or McLeish.

PL is taking us down, that's bad enough.

Why would McLeish be worse? He never had the support of the fans, was thrown to the wolves by the board and didn't get backed in the January window by Lerner who sat at the back while he took all the flak.

Lambert tries to win matches, and fails.

McLeish didn't even try to win matches.

That's the difference. I don't give a shit he managed Small Heath, not a flying one, but although I've been embarassed by some of our results this season, last year I was even more embarassed by the horribly negative way our manager sent us out. That was way more humiliating.

I don't think I've ever been more embarassed of our club than i was at Spurs away last year.

Bang on. The line-up at Spurs was far more humiliating than the 8-0 at Chelsea for me. Bolton reserves at home in the league cup, wasn't it about the 90th minute when we had our first proper effort on goal?

We may be failing but at least we're trying to win games this season. I doubt Lambert would be punching the air in celebration over a point at home to fucking Stoke.

Absolutely nothing comes close to the humiliation we've suffered this season under Lambert. Not even McLeish. Trying to fool yourself that this season's abomination was better than last is delusion beyond belief.

[PeterWithesShin]

Still in for me.
Yes we're probably going down but I can't think of a better manager, who would want the job, to bring us back up.

I'm struggling to think of a manager who'd be worse. Poss Les Reed the ill fated failure at Charlton, Venglos, McNeill or McLeish.

PL is taking us down, that's bad enough.

Why would McLeish be worse? He never had the support of the fans, was thrown to the wolves by the board and didn't get backed in the January window by Lerner who sat at the back while he took all the flak.

Lambert tries to win matches, and fails.

McLeish didn't even try to win matches.

That's the difference. I don't give a shit he managed Small Heath, not a flying one, but although I've been embarassed by some of our results this season, last year I was even more embarassed by the horribly negative way our manager sent us out. That was way more humiliating.

I don't think I've ever been more embarassed of our club than i was at Spurs away last year.

Bang on. The line-up at Spurs was far more humiliating than the 8-0 at Chelsea for me. Bolton reserves at home in the league cup, wasn't it about the 90th minute when we had our first proper effort on goal?

We may be failing but at least we're trying to win games this season. I doubt Lambert would be punching the air in celebration over a point at home to fucking Stoke.

Clutching at straws now. Regardless of whether we were or weren't better under McLeish, this is pitiful. It couldn't be worse.

No i'm not clutching at straws. It's my opinion, I fucking hated going to Villa Park last season under him. Seeing our manager celebrating a point at home to Stoke was a far bigger disgrace than getting twatted by trying to win matches in my opinion.

[Dave Clark Five]

Still in for me.


Yes we're probably going down but I can't think of a better manager, who would want the job, to bring us back up.

I'm struggling to think of a manager who'd be worse. Poss Les Reed the ill fated failure at Charlton, Venglos, McNeill or McLeish.


PL is taking us down, that's bad enough.

Why would McLeish be worse? He never had the support of the fans, was thrown to the wolves by the board and didn't get backed in the January window by Lerner who sat at the back while he took all the flak.

Lambert tries to win matches, and fails.

McLeish didn't even try to win matches.

That's the difference. I don't give a shit he managed Small Heath, not a flying one, but although I've been embarassed by some of our results this season, last year I was even more embarassed by the horribly negative way our manager sent us out. That was way more humiliating.

I don't think I've ever been more embarassed of our club than i was at Spurs away last year.

We aren't even negative now. We just don't give a fuck. Were you embarrassed at Chelsea and Bradford?

Yes, I was embarassed, embarassed at the shitness of the performances, but at least we tried.

McLeish put out the most disgracefully negative Villa sides I think i've ever seen.

Like you, I have seen plenty of shit Villa sides, but I've seen none as embarassing as last year's. I got kind of sick of reading people saying we were an unambitious disgrace when there was absolutely no evidence to suggest we weren't.

I genuinely don't see how you can label MON - a man I have very little respect for - "evil" and then defend that shambolic embarassment McLeish.

We won't get anywhere arguing amongst ourselves. There are a few on here now, myself included, in agreement with each other, but spoiling for a row. One reason for it is that the main culprit doesn't put himself up for anyone to speak to.
You are right. I detest O'Neill but had time for Alex McLeish. One thought he was bigger than the club and managed to piss off Lerner. The other suffered from this and became one in a line of managers who Lerner put up as cannon fodder.

[silhillvilla]

Sorry but I found Chelsea away this year far more embarrassing than spurs away last year.

[PeterWithesShin]

Absolutely nothing comes close to the humiliation we've suffered this season under Lambert. Not even McLeish. Trying to fool yourself that this season's abomination was better than last is delusion beyond belief.

Again, it's my opinion. Just because you have a different one doesn't mean i'll go round telling you you're deluded.

[pauliewalnuts]

Still in for me.
Yes we're probably going down but I can't think of a better manager, who would want the job, to bring us back up.

I'm struggling to think of a manager who'd be worse. Poss Les Reed the ill fated failure at Charlton, Venglos, McNeill or McLeish.

PL is taking us down, that's bad enough.

Why would McLeish be worse? He never had the support of the fans, was thrown to the wolves by the board and didn't get backed in the January window by Lerner who sat at the back while he took all the flak.

Lambert tries to win matches, and fails.

McLeish didn't even try to win matches.

That's the difference. I don't give a shit he managed Small Heath, not a flying one, but although I've been embarassed by some of our results this season, last year I was even more embarassed by the horribly negative way our manager sent us out. That was way more humiliating.

I don't think I've ever been more embarassed of our club than i was at Spurs away last year.

Bang on. The line-up at Spurs was far more humiliating than the 8-0 at Chelsea for me. Bolton reserves at home in the league cup, wasn't it about the 90th minute when we had our first proper effort on goal?

We may be failing but at least we're trying to win games this season. I doubt Lambert would be punching the air in celebration over a point at home to fucking Stoke.

Absolutely nothing comes close to the humiliation we've suffered this season under Lambert. Not even McLeish. Trying to fool yourself that this season's abomination was better than last is delusion beyond belief.

Really?

Fuck me, get a grip.

I know we're poor this season, but some of you are at the point now when you're going to start telling us this is worse than McNeill, Turner and Venglos combined.

It feels worse because it is happening now, but FFS, get a fucking grip.

What next? Worse than World War Two? Worse than Bosnia? Worse than the holocaust?

Everyone can see things are going shitly, and everyone can see what is needed to put it right, and that it isn't happening thus far, but if this is really the worst you've ever seen from Villa, you must be about 12 years old.

[hilts_coolerking]

Lambert has put out some pretty unadventurous sides himself this season.  The first half at home to Spurs comes to mind although to give him his due he did change it for the second half, during which we got battered.

[hipkiss92]

Any manager who's spent less than 25m and kept his team in the premiership would be a good starting point. Doubt its a short list.

And Lambert didn't do this with Norwich?

[Greg N'Ash]

Still in for me.
Yes we're probably going down but I can't think of a better manager, who would want the job, to bring us back up.

I'm struggling to think of a manager who'd be worse. Poss Les Reed the ill fated failure at Charlton, Venglos, McNeill or McLeish.

PL is taking us down, that's bad enough.

Why would McLeish be worse? He never had the support of the fans, was thrown to the wolves by the board and didn't get backed in the January window by Lerner who sat at the back while he took all the flak.

Lambert tries to win matches, and fails.

McLeish didn't even try to win matches.

That's the difference. I don't give a shit he managed Small Heath, not a flying one, but although I've been embarassed by some of our results this season, last year I was even more embarassed by the horribly negative way our manager sent us out. That was way more humiliating.

I don't think I've ever been more embarassed of our club than i was at Spurs away last year.

Bang on. The line-up at Spurs was far more humiliating than the 8-0 at Chelsea for me. Bolton reserves at home in the league cup, wasn't it about the 90th minute when we had our first proper effort on goal?

We may be failing but at least we're trying to win games this season. I doubt Lambert would be punching the air in celebration over a point at home to fucking Stoke.

Absolutely nothing comes close to the humiliation we've suffered this season under Lambert. Not even McLeish. Trying to fool yourself that this season's abomination was better than last is delusion beyond belief.

yep. not trying to win matches is a bit better than  having no clue how not to lose matches. At least with the former you get a point out of it if it comes off.

[dl9]

Sorry but I found Chelsea away this year far more embarrassing than spurs away last year.

Both the above matches I happened to be in the home ends. Paxton when we capitulated to the most convincing 2-0 score line ever and this year in the Matthew Harding on my own having the piss ripped out of me by the wankers that support Cheski.

However, I have to say that today's result has hurt more than either.

[saunders_heroes]

Sorry but I found Chelsea away this year far more embarrassing than spurs away last year.

Spot on. As was the Everton defeat, the Wigan defeat, the Spurs on Boxing Day defeat, the Man City defeat, the Bradford humiliation.....

Still, it was worse under McLeish.

[Clark W Griswold]

Still 'in' for me, but if we go out of the cup (even if we win on the night) and then get twatted by Olbiyun, i will be in the 'out' camp. Yes Lerner is the root problem at the club, but it's starting to look like it's a lost cause with Lambert as well, regardless of Lerner.

[PeterWithesShin]

With the latter you get 3 if it comes off. I'd rather go down by trying to win than hoping to stay up by drawing as many as possible.

[pauliewalnuts]

No i'm not clutching at straws. It's my opinion, I fucking hated going to Villa Park last season under him. Seeing our manager celebrating a point at home to Stoke was a far bigger disgrace than getting twatted by trying to win matches in my opinion.

Me too, that was fucking abysmal, and said it all.

I didn't renew this season, for financial reasons more than anything. Normally, I'd have been gutted at not having the cash for my season ticket, but I tell you what, last season did more to make it easier to handle than I could have imagined.

McLeish is far from the only one guilty in getting us where we are, but last year the joy of football totally, totally disappeared.

I still think that after making progress under Houllier - who gets a lot of stick on here - and starting to play some football, and achieving a respectable (if somewhat flattering) final placing, we needed to appoint a manager who had a modern outlook on the way to play the game, someone who believed in modern, passing football.

That would have kept the fans onside and built on what had been achieved in a largely unpleasant year under Houllier. What they did was utterly, utterly inexplicable and made absolutely zero sense.

We've got a home semi final in a week and a bit and we will probably have 5-10,000 seats empty for it, and if you want to know the reason why, the origins of it go to the huge wedge the club put between them and the fans when they made that appointment. Everything that has happened since has just made the wedge bigger.