Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 04:58:18 PMQuote from: Isa on September 24, 2013, 04:54:39 PMQuote from: RussellC on September 24, 2013, 04:29:27 PMI think unless a full-back manages to prevent the player he's up against from delivering any sort of ball into the box for 90 minutes he'll be deemed to have had a bad game by some! Luna's performance was absolutely fine on Saturday, IMO.Well actually Snodgrass had 20 cross attempts. In contrast Redmond only had 4 cross attempts. Why? Because one was up against a full-back who played well and one was up against a full-back who played poorly. What is the point of having a full-back if not to prevent opposition wingers getting crosses in?It's not all about the quantity of crosses. It's as much about the quality of them and if the full back restricts the opposing player into crosses that can be better handled when they come into the box then he has partly done his job. Believe me, even Maldini allowed crosses from his side of the pitch.I can see Isa's point. At the game on Saturday I was constantly concerned when Snodgrass came up against Luna. It's not the quantity of crosses, no, and I don't doubt that even Maldini allowed a winger to get a ball in from time to time. However, Luna did look frail and it can't be coincidence that Norwich targeted that area of the pitch as Newcastle had done a week previous.
Quote from: Isa on September 24, 2013, 04:54:39 PMQuote from: RussellC on September 24, 2013, 04:29:27 PMI think unless a full-back manages to prevent the player he's up against from delivering any sort of ball into the box for 90 minutes he'll be deemed to have had a bad game by some! Luna's performance was absolutely fine on Saturday, IMO.Well actually Snodgrass had 20 cross attempts. In contrast Redmond only had 4 cross attempts. Why? Because one was up against a full-back who played well and one was up against a full-back who played poorly. What is the point of having a full-back if not to prevent opposition wingers getting crosses in?It's not all about the quantity of crosses. It's as much about the quality of them and if the full back restricts the opposing player into crosses that can be better handled when they come into the box then he has partly done his job. Believe me, even Maldini allowed crosses from his side of the pitch.
Quote from: RussellC on September 24, 2013, 04:29:27 PMI think unless a full-back manages to prevent the player he's up against from delivering any sort of ball into the box for 90 minutes he'll be deemed to have had a bad game by some! Luna's performance was absolutely fine on Saturday, IMO.Well actually Snodgrass had 20 cross attempts. In contrast Redmond only had 4 cross attempts. Why? Because one was up against a full-back who played well and one was up against a full-back who played poorly. What is the point of having a full-back if not to prevent opposition wingers getting crosses in?
I think unless a full-back manages to prevent the player he's up against from delivering any sort of ball into the box for 90 minutes he'll be deemed to have had a bad game by some! Luna's performance was absolutely fine on Saturday, IMO.
Ben Arfa's a quality player and when he's on, most full-backs are going to struggle. Using that 1 game as a stick with which to beat Luna is a tad ridiculous. In the other game, we kept a clean sheet so he couldn't have been that bad.
Quote from: HertsVilla on September 24, 2013, 05:24:25 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 04:58:18 PMQuote from: Isa on September 24, 2013, 04:54:39 PMQuote from: RussellC on September 24, 2013, 04:29:27 PMI think unless a full-back manages to prevent the player he's up against from delivering any sort of ball into the box for 90 minutes he'll be deemed to have had a bad game by some! Luna's performance was absolutely fine on Saturday, IMO.Well actually Snodgrass had 20 cross attempts. In contrast Redmond only had 4 cross attempts. Why? Because one was up against a full-back who played well and one was up against a full-back who played poorly. What is the point of having a full-back if not to prevent opposition wingers getting crosses in?It's not all about the quantity of crosses. It's as much about the quality of them and if the full back restricts the opposing player into crosses that can be better handled when they come into the box then he has partly done his job. Believe me, even Maldini allowed crosses from his side of the pitch.I can see Isa's point. At the game on Saturday I was constantly concerned when Snodgrass came up against Luna. It's not the quantity of crosses, no, and I don't doubt that even Maldini allowed a winger to get a ball in from time to time. However, Luna did look frail and it can't be coincidence that Norwich targeted that area of the pitch as Newcastle had done a week previous. They targeted that area of the pitch because Snodgrass is a good player.
Quote from: paul_e on September 24, 2013, 05:26:35 PMQuote from: HertsVilla on September 24, 2013, 05:24:25 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 04:58:18 PMQuote from: Isa on September 24, 2013, 04:54:39 PMQuote from: RussellC on September 24, 2013, 04:29:27 PMI think unless a full-back manages to prevent the player he's up against from delivering any sort of ball into the box for 90 minutes he'll be deemed to have had a bad game by some! Luna's performance was absolutely fine on Saturday, IMO.Well actually Snodgrass had 20 cross attempts. In contrast Redmond only had 4 cross attempts. Why? Because one was up against a full-back who played well and one was up against a full-back who played poorly. What is the point of having a full-back if not to prevent opposition wingers getting crosses in?It's not all about the quantity of crosses. It's as much about the quality of them and if the full back restricts the opposing player into crosses that can be better handled when they come into the box then he has partly done his job. Believe me, even Maldini allowed crosses from his side of the pitch.I can see Isa's point. At the game on Saturday I was constantly concerned when Snodgrass came up against Luna. It's not the quantity of crosses, no, and I don't doubt that even Maldini allowed a winger to get a ball in from time to time. However, Luna did look frail and it can't be coincidence that Norwich targeted that area of the pitch as Newcastle had done a week previous. They targeted that area of the pitch because Snodgrass is a good player.That's good logic.
Quote from: HertsVilla on September 24, 2013, 05:30:20 PMQuote from: paul_e on September 24, 2013, 05:26:35 PMQuote from: HertsVilla on September 24, 2013, 05:24:25 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 04:58:18 PMQuote from: Isa on September 24, 2013, 04:54:39 PMQuote from: RussellC on September 24, 2013, 04:29:27 PMI think unless a full-back manages to prevent the player he's up against from delivering any sort of ball into the box for 90 minutes he'll be deemed to have had a bad game by some! Luna's performance was absolutely fine on Saturday, IMO.Well actually Snodgrass had 20 cross attempts. In contrast Redmond only had 4 cross attempts. Why? Because one was up against a full-back who played well and one was up against a full-back who played poorly. What is the point of having a full-back if not to prevent opposition wingers getting crosses in?It's not all about the quantity of crosses. It's as much about the quality of them and if the full back restricts the opposing player into crosses that can be better handled when they come into the box then he has partly done his job. Believe me, even Maldini allowed crosses from his side of the pitch.I can see Isa's point. At the game on Saturday I was constantly concerned when Snodgrass came up against Luna. It's not the quantity of crosses, no, and I don't doubt that even Maldini allowed a winger to get a ball in from time to time. However, Luna did look frail and it can't be coincidence that Norwich targeted that area of the pitch as Newcastle had done a week previous. They targeted that area of the pitch because Snodgrass is a good player.That's good logic. Actually all Norwich fans agree that Snodgrass was out of form coming into the game whilst Redmond was in form. At the beginning of the game Redmond actually had a lot more of the ball. However when Norwich realised that Bacuna was doing a great job on him whilst Snodgrass had acres of space each time he had the ball, they then intensified their pressure down our left side. Especially in the second-half.
Correct me if I'm wrong but we did win this game didn't we?
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 24, 2013, 05:49:52 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong but we did win this game didn't we?Ah yes...the 'a win equates to eleven good performances' theory.
Quote from: Isa on September 24, 2013, 06:22:33 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on September 24, 2013, 05:49:52 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong but we did win this game didn't we?Ah yes...the 'a win equates to eleven good performances' theory.Which nobody's said, but feel free to carry on down that road if you like.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2013, 04:58:18 PMQuote from: Isa on September 24, 2013, 04:54:39 PMQuote from: RussellC on September 24, 2013, 04:29:27 PMI think unless a full-back manages to prevent the player he's up against from delivering any sort of ball into the box for 90 minutes he'll be deemed to have had a bad game by some! Luna's performance was absolutely fine on Saturday, IMO.Well actually Snodgrass had 20 cross attempts. In contrast Redmond only had 4 cross attempts. Why? Because one was up against a full-back who played well and one was up against a full-back who played poorly. What is the point of having a full-back if not to prevent opposition wingers getting crosses in?It's not all about the quantity of crosses. It's as much about the quality of them and if the full back restricts the opposing player into crosses that can be better handled when they come into the box then he has partly done his job. Believe me, even Maldini allowed crosses from his side of the pitch.That is a weighty comparison. I remember, many years ago, watching Milan on the Italian on channel 4. Baresi got pulled wide, edge of the box, at the by-line. Attacker shapes to cross. The great man, in one movement, the blink of a mortal's eye, then checks inside himself, sees there's no threat, and lets the bloke cross. Now, are you saying our Tone's THAT good?