Villa being discussed at length on Talksport right now

[Clampy]

Can't agree there, Toronto.

McLeish screams "traditional British manager" - I don't think for a moment he's going to do the same thing as Houllier wanted, they're two totally different managers.

Absolutely. Let's put it this way. Do you think Houllier would have signed Hutton?

No, it would have been Bruno Cheyrou.

You're being a bit harsh on old Houiller Chris bearing in mind this time last year you were telling those who doubted him to give him time, a bit like you're doing now with Eck.

[Greg N'Ash]

the whole last two years since MON left just seems like some strategical cul-de-sac to me. One minute we're gonna change, young players, foreign scouts looking for players abroad(!), no more overpaid premiership journeymen, then bang! Alan Hutton, N'zogbia, Emile Heskey in midfield and uber Hoof!

Ho hum.......

[Chris Smith]

Compass, slow down a bit you'll give yourself a heart attack.

In answer to your over aggressive question, I don't think we'll be in a relegation battle, I've seen plenty of worse sides than us this season, that's why there are so many  of them below us in the table. However, as I have said, I don't think 14 games is enough to judge a manager on I'm not really going to be able to answer it, am I.

[Clampy]

Compass, slow down a bit you'll give yourself a heart attack.

However, as I have said, I don't think 14 games is enough to judge a manager on .

But 7 games was enough to judge Jean Makoun though?

[Chris Smith]

Can't agree there, Toronto.

McLeish screams "traditional British manager" - I don't think for a moment he's going to do the same thing as Houllier wanted, they're two totally different managers.

Absolutely. Let's put it this way. Do you think Houllier would have signed Hutton?

No, it would have been Bruno Cheyrou.

You're being a bit harsh on old Houiller Chris bearing in mind this time last year you were telling those who doubted him to give him time, a bit like you're doing now with Eck.

If you read above I've explained that. I did give him time and would have accepted it if he'd been given another season but there were plenty of shit performances and even more PR cock ups but people are trying to gloss over that.

[Clampy]

Can't agree there, Toronto.

McLeish screams "traditional British manager" - I don't think for a moment he's going to do the same thing as Houllier wanted, they're two totally different managers.

Absolutely. Let's put it this way. Do you think Houllier would have signed Hutton?

No, it would have been Bruno Cheyrou.

You're being a bit harsh on old Houiller Chris bearing in mind this time last year you were telling those who doubted him to give him time, a bit like you're doing now with Eck.

If you read above I've explained that. I did give him time and would have accepted it if he'd been given another season but there were plenty of shit performances and even more PR cock ups but people are trying to gloss over that.

I don't think they are, they're just comparing the type of players that would have come in had he stayed in comparison to Eck and it's a fair point i suppose. For example, Houiller brought in Kyle Walker, McCleish brought in Alan Hutton.

[Chris Smith]

Compass, slow down a bit you'll give yourself a heart attack.

However, as I have said, I don't think 14 games is enough to judge a manager on .

But 7 games was enough to judge Jean Makoun though?

Players and managers are completely different, it's not a like for like comparison. With every other manager we've had people have said that you need to wait until he has his own players to properly judge him but for some reason that doesn't apply this time.

Makoun isn't a bad player but I just couldn't see how he could fit in. What sort of midfield pairing would suit his style?

[BedsVillain]

Houiller brought in Kyle Walker, McCleish brought in Alan Hutton.

I don't think you could describe the difference between the two managers any better...

[Toronto Villa]

Can't agree there, Toronto.

McLeish screams "traditional British manager" - I don't think for a moment he's going to do the same thing as Houllier wanted, they're two totally different managers.

For a start, Houllier wanted us to keep possession of the ball, whereas McLeish seems allergic to it. I also find it hard to believe he'll have clamped down on the boozing and lazing culture in the way that Houllier wanted to - it's certainly very suspicious that we've had a flow of players telling us how much they hated Houllier, and McLeish is much more like it.

Under Houllier, we actually had recognisable, nameable scouts. Jeff Vetere was putting our European scouting network into place. He's since gone, has he been replaced? Who by? We also know that Cabaye was signing for us up until the point that Houllier left, and that he had a list of players he wanted to bring in.

What we have now under McLeish (and this isn't his fault) is an approach to signing new players that best resembles George Osbourne looking at a list of public spending projects, and an insistence that we have to make do with what we have.

There's nothing coming out of the club at the moment which suggests moving forward. Nothing at all. The whole place reeks of stagnation, and that's the most depressing thing.

That's not the point I was making. I'm talking about the clearing out of the high wage players and bringing in new talent. Off course GH would have bought different types of players. GH would have wanted to get rid of the players he didn't want at his pace i.e this past summer. AM would have been told to work with what he has for longer so that the club doesn't take on any more losses. I'm sure had GH had his way he would have dumped most of the crap for what he could get and then reinvested in players that could actually trap a football, and with inteligent scouting wouldn't cost us British style  transfer fees or wages.

[Clampy]

Compass, slow down a bit you'll give yourself a heart attack.

However, as I have said, I don't think 14 games is enough to judge a manager on .

But 7 games was enough to judge Jean Makoun though?

Players and managers are completely different, it's not a like for like comparison. With every other manager we've had people have said that you need to wait until he has his own players to properly judge him but for some reason that doesn't apply this time.

Makoun isn't a bad player but I just couldn't see how he could fit in. What sort of midfield pairing would suit his style?

I don't think you can write off a player from another league and country after 7 games though. Who knows how he might have done if he'd have been given a run of 10 games in midfield. As for the midfield pairing, i'm not sure but you've said yourself the midfield is'nt right so he can't have done any worse had he stayed.

[Chris Smith]

You have to put in the context of where we were at the time. Due to wages it had to be one in, one out. So to get Jenas, or anyone, somebody had to go out. Extremely harsh on the manager, I think, given that we'd already lost Young, Doening and Reo Coker but that's the reality.

In an ideal world we'd have kept him, we're not operating in an ideal world though.

[Compass]

You're being a bit harsh on old Houiller Chris bearing in mind this time last year you were telling those who doubted him to give him time, a bit like you're doing now with Eck.

Did he? Well that's settled it. I think it's apparent Chris can only see things in Claret & Blue tinted glasses. Yeah, you're right Chris. There is no point challenging you when you're like that.

Once AM gets sacked I'll await your fickleness just like what you're doing with Houllier right now.

[Legion]

Don't we all see things from a C&B-tinted perspective? They're our club. We all want the best for our club. Don't we?

[Chris Smith]

You're being a bit harsh on old Houiller Chris bearing in mind this time last year you were telling those who doubted him to give him time, a bit like you're doing now with Eck.

Did he? Well that's settled it. I think it's apparent Chris can only see things in Claret & Blue tinted glasses. Yeah, you're right Chris. There is no point challenging you when you're like that.

Once AM gets sacked I'll await your fickleness just like what you're doing with Houllier right now.

So I said Houllier deserved time before being judged and now I say McLeish should be given time before being judged and somehow in your addled brain that's being fickle. Truly fucking weird.

It's not just our manager you're obsessed with, you're stalking me now and presenting more and more nonsensical arguments because you think you can "win".

[Compass]

Don't we all see things from a C&B-tinted perspective? They're our club. We all want the best for our club. Don't we?

What I mean from a Claret & Blue perspective is everything is fine and dandy in the club. It's not though, not really. There's just too many issues under the manager.

Yes, I want the best for our club, but it's evident to the vast majority that AM remaining at the helm isn't the best for the club. Maybe the minority will turn if we lose against Bolton or when we'll get relegated. Hell, they might still back him in the fucking Championship because they think that low of us.