Job Losses At The Club

[Concrete John]

They'll also count it as a 'zero job loss' if they get rid of two FT employees and then bring two in on a part time/shared hours basis.

[spud1950]

When anyone who is 60 plus is laid of  etc .They are not counted in the job loss etc figures .They are paid pension credits .Which is more than jsa and you dont sign on ever again .You are not forced to look or told to get a job .You cant go on any schemes to retrain etc


Unfortunatley i am one of these

[Percy McCarthy]

Bad luck Spud, hope something good turns up for you soon. As for drysack, can't we just ban him? It's obvious the bloke is either a WUM or just a plain dimwit if he can't see that what he's posting is patent bollocks.

[drisaac]

Spud, I hope you get a job sorted out soon too.  I hope you don't have to rely on the government to find one either, as governments have never been much good at this.

Percy, I'm not a dimwit, nor am I trying to wind up anyone, I'm just disagreeing with people on a website.  You (Heroes and Villains belongs to you?) can ban everyone you disagree with if you like. 

The unemployment statistics (read about them here) include everyone who is 1. capable of working; 2. available for work; 3. actively seeking work; and 4. below state pension age

The claimant count (everyone receiving JSA) is currently about 1.57 million people.  Other unemployed people are included in the 2.51 million figure.

The numbers and facts here are true and checkable.  You can think my political views are bollocks, as much as you like.  If you think that's enough reason to ban someone, then go ahead Percy.

[Ad@m]

It's a distortion of statistics, the overall number of people out of work does not tell the whole story as it varies greatly from region to region and sector to sector. People are being made redundant directly by this government and indirectly as a result of their policies. That's a fact.

Another way of looking at it is to say that during the course of this government just as many jobs have been created as have been lost.

And if it varies from sector to sector then that's just the way it is unfortunately.  Times change and we have to move with them.  I assume that you believe we should still be manufacturing codpieces, thatched rooves and penny farthings?!

[richardhubbard]

They are jobs out there, dont believe the story the economy on its arse, its tough I should know I been made redundant twice in a career as an accountant in last 12 months but found work immediately because I network like nuts, social media now the way to find a job and secondly be flexible.

I worked in London for four weeks whilst I found a new role near home, its hard and no guarantee but it can be done.

The economy is growing in areas like technical manufacturing, cloud computing, renewable energy.

To be honest public sector needed trimming for years, regardless of political view it went too far

[Chris Smith]

It's a distortion of statistics, the overall number of people out of work does not tell the whole story as it varies greatly from region to region and sector to sector. People are being made redundant directly by this government and indirectly as a result of their policies. That's a fact.

Another way of looking at it is to say that during the course of this government just as many jobs have been created as have been lost.

And if it varies from sector to sector then that's just the way it is unfortunately.  Times change and we have to move with them.  I assume that you believe we should still be manufacturing codpieces, thatched rooves and penny farthings?!

No, but  building cars, for example, would be good rather than relying on the corrupt and discredited financial sector.

Just saying "that's the way it is" is pathetic. For the last 25 years or so this country has been the victim of a bizarre neo liberal experiment that has left us with an economy where large parts of the country, the old industrial heartlands, have been neglected and unemployment is endemic while other parts are relatively prosperous. This isn't a party political point, it started under Thatcher but Blair was happy to carry it on, but it's the reason that Germany has coped with the recession far better than we have. When the history of this period us studied in 50 years time they'll think we were barking mad.

[Chris Smith]

They are jobs out there, dont believe the story the economy on its arse, its tough I should know I been made redundant twice in a career as an accountant in last 12 months but found work immediately because I network like nuts, social media now the way to find a job and secondly be flexible.

I worked in London for four weeks whilst I found a new role near home, its hard and no guarantee but it can be done.

The economy is growing in areas like technical manufacturing, cloud computing, renewable energy.

To be honest public sector needed trimming for years, regardless of political view it went too far

Richard, you're hardly typical are you? Not everyone can be a finance director. It's at the lower paid end of the spectrum where things have hit hardest. When I was growing up people could get apprenticeships in factories so we developed a skilled work force. With the closure of those plants the training and opportunities went with them.

As for the public sector cuts, those jobs aren't just people losing their livelihoods now but the job disappears for good so it's another lost opportunity for the future. The cuts will mean poorer services not the same things done more efficiently.

[Ad@m]

It's a distortion of statistics, the overall number of people out of work does not tell the whole story as it varies greatly from region to region and sector to sector. People are being made redundant directly by this government and indirectly as a result of their policies. That's a fact.

Another way of looking at it is to say that during the course of this government just as many jobs have been created as have been lost.

And if it varies from sector to sector then that's just the way it is unfortunately.  Times change and we have to move with them.  I assume that you believe we should still be manufacturing codpieces, thatched rooves and penny farthings?!

No, but  building cars, for example, would be good rather than relying on the corrupt and discredited financial sector.

Just saying "that's the way it is" is pathetic. For the last 25 years or so this country has been the victim of a bizarre neo liberal experiment that has left us with an economy where large parts of the country, the old industrial heartlands, have been neglected and unemployment is endemic while other parts are relatively prosperous. This isn't a party political point, it started under Thatcher but Blair was happy to carry it on, but it's the reason that Germany has coped with the recession far better than we have. When the history of this period us studied in 50 years time they'll think we were barking mad.

But it comes down to competitive advantage.  Like it or not, we're not very good at building cars people want to buy and as a result we can't compete with the likes of Germany when it comes to building cars.

Our efforts are better spent in areas where we have a competitive advantage, like financial services.

The biggest issue we have in the UK when it comes to manufacturing is the lack of natural resources.  To make things we either have to buy in the raw materials or spend a fortune getting them out of the ground here.  Other countries don't have that issue so it's very difficult to compete.  Most of the industrial hearlands have suffered as a result of this but it's hardly in any government's interests to do something which makes life worse for the population they want to vote for them.

It's up to the government to help in creating new jobs for those people but it's also up to those people to want to retrain and do the new jobs.  There's no point sitting and complaining that it was better in the old days.

[richardhubbard]

Chris government intervention or lack of it did not cause Rover to collapse , it was basically a badly run company that was going to fail.

The only economy will fully recover is new investment in new markets and people having balls to start new businesses.

[Chris Smith]

Even for you that's bollocks, Adam. The stupidity of the people in the financial sector is the reason we're in this mess and the crash is proof of why we are made to rely on it. It appears to be peopled by fools, crooks and charlatans.

We're perfectly good at building cars, we make plenty for other people but not so good at the business and design side.

[Chris Smith]

Chris government intervention or lack of it did not cause Rover to collapse , it was basically a badly run company that was going to fail.

The only economy will fully recover is new investment in new markets and people having balls to start new businesses.

The Governmet gave billions to prop up badly run banks, why couldn't they do the same for Rover?

[richardhubbard]

Chris thanks for the promotion I am not an FD, but anyway.

One apprenticeships are out there, I took 2 on last month at 18 .
Two - professional roles like mine are harder to come than roles on lesser salaries as there less of them, principle the same , get of your arse stop complaining and get a route back into work. I worked for Moben kitchens who collapsed two months ago, 75% within a 8 weeks now have jobs so roles are out there , even in grim north

I come from a real working class background, my dad a tool maker and retired through ill health when I was 18, in last recession of late 80's
I did not go to university and financially I could not, but got a job and found a career , went to college  2 nights a week and got qualified and worked my balls off for last 20 years, like a lot of people. I got there through work ethic and tenacity and if worked for me , it can work for anyone.

i now work a 60 hour week , like a lot of people and and graft , not as hard as guys down the mine or in car plants on night but graft.

I hit 40 got made redundant twice in 12 months and picked myself and went for it, if someone in public sector working 35 a week looses there job, do the same, social network, use linked in, relocate etc, work is out there.

[richardhubbard]

Chris government intervention or lack of it did not cause Rover to collapse , it was basically a badly run company that was going to fail.

The only economy will fully recover is new investment in new markets and people having balls to start new businesses.

The Governmet gave billions to prop up badly run banks, why couldn't they do the same for Rover?

You really dont have a clue about business do you, they did that in 60's and 70's called BL and it was a fucking disaster

[Risso]

Good on you Richard, that's the spirit!