Job Losses At The Club

[Percy McCarthy]

Longbridge would be flying now if BMW hadn't stitched them up by moving Mini production away from it's home to Cowley. Not very good at making cars? Jag, Land and Range Rover, Mini, Rolls Royce, Morgan and Aston Martin owners would beg to differ I'm sure.

[Chris Smith]

Chris government intervention or lack of it did not cause Rover to collapse , it was basically a badly run company that was going to fail.

The only economy will fully recover is new investment in new markets and people having balls to start new businesses.

The Governmet gave billions to prop up badly run banks, why couldn't they do the same for Rover?

You really dont have a clue about business do you, they did that in 60's and 70's called BL and it was a fucking disaster

That's not an answer to the question I posed though. If we can help one ailing business why not another? Rover was badly run but that doesn't mean it had to be stay that way. We can build Fords, Nissans, BMWs etc so the argument that we just can't do it doesn't hold water. I understand why we had to support the banks but not why we couldn't do the same for a business that was so important to this city.

[Chico Hamilton III]

dont believe the story the economy on its arse

But it is.

I'm thinking of starting a football team with my new best mates down the Lewisham Job Centre.

100,000-a-side

[Risso]

Chris government intervention or lack of it did not cause Rover to collapse , it was basically a badly run company that was going to fail.

The only economy will fully recover is new investment in new markets and people having balls to start new businesses.

The Governmet gave billions to prop up badly run banks, why couldn't they do the same for Rover?

You really dont have a clue about business do you, they did that in 60's and 70's called BL and it was a fucking disaster

That's not an answer to the question I posed though. If we can help one ailing business why not another? Rover was badly run but that doesn't mean it had to be stay that way. We can build Fords, Nissans, BMWs etc so the argument that we just can't do it doesn't hold water. I understand why we had to support the banks but not why we couldn't do the same for a business that was so important to this city.

We're very good at building cars in this country, but after we let foreign corporations cherry pick the desirable marques, we were left with out of date models like the Rover 45, and would have needed  to basically build the brand again from scratch.

[pauliewalnuts]

The problem wasn't building cars, or designing them, as we can still do both of those (look at the luxury brands we churn out still).

The problem was in the management. Look at the huge success which is Mini for a start. It took BMW to realise what a great, exploitable brand that was, and do something with it.

The management of the various British owners of the marque for decades lacked the imagination to do anything with it.

[cheltenhamlion]

With respect, and as a friend of someone in Rover middle management, he earns the thick end of 100K a year and has a gold plated pensions based on years served.

The point is however that some management are shite but they go out of their way to recruit the very best managers of the future.

The two paragraphs don't gel well but both are true.

[pauliewalnuts]

It's not about management being shite now (I'm sure the remaining handful are ace *wink*), it is about them being rubbish for years and missing the opportunity.

[Dave Cooper please]

I worked for Moben kitchens who collapsed two months ago, 75% within a 8 weeks now have jobs so roles are out there , even in grim north

So 25%, a quarter of the workforce, are still out of work?
That doesn't sound that great to me.

[Matt C]

Longbridge would be flying now if BMW hadn't stitched them up by moving Mini production away from it's home to Cowley. Not very good at making cars? Jag, Land and Range Rover, Mini, Rolls Royce, Morgan and Aston Martin owners would beg to differ I'm sure.

Add UK-made Bentley, Nissan, Toyota, McLaren, Vauxhall, Honda & Ford to that list too.

[dave.woodhall]

I worked for Moben kitchens who collapsed two months ago, 75% within a 8 weeks now have jobs so roles are out there , even in grim north

So 25%, a quarter of the workforce, are still out of work?
That doesn't sound that great to me.

That's life in a recession. As long as I've got a job there are plenty around and anyone out of work doesn't want to.

[spud1950]

How many are happy with the jobs they have got .Seems someone at villa park is not happy with theirs or working conditions.Vandalisim at the club is on the rise .Toilets are being thrashed and boxes after being set up for matches with plates and glasses etc and being smashed to a pulp .Taking ages to vac the slivers of glass from the carpets

[richardhubbard]

Chris rover had been propped up for years, it failed due to shite product , and shite management. Why should the taxpayer prop it up, I don't remember a million brummies buying the cars out of love to keep long bridge open, the city full of fords , KIA nab BMWs . Land rover, jaguar and mini flushed because of good product range, that explains why all brands are expanding.
 

[hawkeye]

Chris government intervention or lack of it did not cause Rover to collapse , it was basically a badly run company that was going to fail.

The only economy will fully recover is new investment in new markets and people having balls to start new businesses.

The Governmet gave billions to prop up badly run banks, why couldn't they do the same for Rover?

You really dont have a clue about business do you, they did that in 60's and 70's called BL and it was a fucking disaster

That's not an answer to the question I posed though. If we can help one ailing business why not another? Rover was badly run but that doesn't mean it had to be stay that way. We can build Fords, Nissans, BMWs etc so the argument that we just can't do it doesn't hold water. I understand why we had to support the banks but not why we couldn't do the same for a business that was so important to this city.

Because the place was run by the unions and inept management, so if you have a crap product useless management and a militant work force, who the fuck invests in that, thankfully even the government did not want to eventually. You would not need a very big room to house the people that destroyed the banks, lots of people that worked for or are working for banks lose thier jobs because of the idiotic decisions of the few.
Back to the car industry, so even when management wanted to introduce a new model , change working paterns, develop the ideas, they had to negotiate every single change with the Unions.

[dave.woodhall]

Chris government intervention or lack of it did not cause Rover to collapse , it was basically a badly run company that was going to fail.

The only economy will fully recover is new investment in new markets and people having balls to start new businesses.

The Governmet gave billions to prop up badly run banks, why couldn't they do the same for Rover?

You really dont have a clue about business do you, they did that in 60's and 70's called BL and it was a fucking disaster

That's not an answer to the question I posed though. If we can help one ailing business why not another? Rover was badly run but that doesn't mean it had to be stay that way. We can build Fords, Nissans, BMWs etc so the argument that we just can't do it doesn't hold water. I understand why we had to support the banks but not why we couldn't do the same for a business that was so important to this city.

Because the place was run by the unions and inept management, so if you have a crap product useless management and a militant work force, who the fuck invests in that, thankfully even the government did not want to eventually. You would not need a very big room to house the people that destroyed the banks, lots of people that worked for or are working for banks lose thier jobs because of the idiotic decisions of the few.
Back to the car industry, so even when management wanted to introduce a new model , change working paterns, develop the ideas, they had to negotiate every single change with the Unions.

And some people still  think talking to their workforce is a bad idea.

[Percy McCarthy]

Yes, unions are to blame. They don't have unions like ours in Germany. They have stronger ones.