The Big Ecks welcome to VP barometer

[dave.woodhall]

 “The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."

Who was the last new manager to say something like this? 

[Aston Manor]

“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."

Who was the last new manager to say something like this?

the last manager who either a)meant it or b)had to win the fans over?

I don't like him standing there it just feels  all wrong. He's a Nose.He's tainted and nothing yet will change my view on him. I want him gone but that will only mean we are doing very badly which is not something I want to see. Moreover, and this is something that hasn't been really hit upon, but a sacked/removed McLeish means we have to face the board making us look a laughing stock again with another managerial 'after you Claude'.

[PaulWinch again]

“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."

Who was the last new manager to say something like this?

the last manager who either a)meant it or b)had to win the fans over?

I don't like him standing there it just feels  all wrong. He's a Nose.He's tainted and nothing yet will change my view on him. I want him gone but that will only mean we are doing very badly which is not something I want to see. Moreover, and this is something that hasn't been really hit upon, but a sacked/removed McLeish means we have to face the board making us look a laughing stock again with another managerial 'after you Claude'.

That's the spirit. He's not a nose, he managed them but so what? He's Villa manager.

[dave.woodhall]

“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."

Who was the last new manager to say something like this?

the last manager who either a)meant it or b)had to win the fans over?

I don't like him standing there it just feels  all wrong. He's a Nose.He's tainted and nothing yet will change my view on him. I want him gone but that will only mean we are doing very badly which is not something I want to see. Moreover, and this is something that hasn't been really hit upon, but a sacked/removed McLeish means we have to face the board making us look a laughing stock again with another managerial 'after you Claude'.

You must have loved Peter Withe.

[Dave]

“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."

Who was the last new manager to say something like this? 

To be fair, I'm not sure it means a great deal.

He's just bright enough to know what he needs to say so that he doesn't get it in the neck. It doesn't mean that he means any of it*

*Of course, it doesn't mean that he doesn't, either.

[Aston Manor]

“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."

Who was the last new manager to say something like this?

the last manager who either a)meant it or b)had to win the fans over?

I don't like him standing there it just feels  all wrong. He's a Nose.He's tainted and nothing yet will change my view on him. I want him gone but that will only mean we are doing very badly which is not something I want to see. Moreover, and this is something that hasn't been really hit upon, but a sacked/removed McLeish means we have to face the board making us look a laughing stock again with another managerial 'after you Claude'.

That's the spirit. He's not a nose, he managed them but so what? He's Villa manager.

What I mean is that Villa manager or not to me he still feels like he's a Nose. I want him to succeed but a manager is not like a player.A manager has their stamp on a club and they - especially the playing side - become an extension of their own personality. Small Heath and McLeish became one and the same because of that. Its that what's difficult to shake. his personality and his ex-club are still too recent and he feels like  he's broughta bit of them with him. Its f*cking horrible.

[Chris Smith]

“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."

Who was the last new manager to say something like this?

the last manager who either a)meant it or b)had to win the fans over?

I don't like him standing there it just feels  all wrong. He's a Nose.He's tainted and nothing yet will change my view on him. I want him gone but that will only mean we are doing very badly which is not something I want to see. Moreover, and this is something that hasn't been really hit upon, but a sacked/removed McLeish means we have to face the board making us look a laughing stock again with another managerial 'after you Claude'.

That's the spirit. He's not a nose, he managed them but so what? He's Villa manager.

What I mean is that Villa manager or not to me he still feels like he's a Nose. I want him to succeed but a manager is not like a player.A manager has their stamp on a club and they - especially the playing side - become an extension of their own personality. Small Heath and McLeish became one and the same because of that. Its that what's difficult to shake. his personality and his ex-club are still too recent and he feels like  he's broughta bit of them with him. Its f*cking horrible.

 I enjoy taking the piss out of my nose mates as much as the next man but you seem to take it all a bit too seriously. He's an employee, he's here to do a job. If he does it well what does it matter where he used to work?

[Aston Manor]

Of course if he does well it'll be all forgotten. It's just too early for that right now. Don't get me wrong I'm not hoping that he fails because it means we do-its just difficult to see his face and not think of them.

[hawkeye]

There will be some that will never accept him, i think the bloke has been given a tough gig, i quite like him, he never showed disrespect to us when he was managing them, my concern is the style of football and his ability to manage the club, i hope he does a great job here. I have my doubts but he does not have the backing to achieve much.

[Rigadon]

I think it's quite simple, if he gets off to a flyer he will be accepted just as much as any other bloke.  Lose a few and the booers will appear faster than ever before. 

I think (and hope) it will be the former.  He's a good manager who had to take a Blues-style position to prove he could cut it down here.  Lots of manager do this and hardly any of them get anywhere near winning anything.  AM did and with a very very average team.   Bit like MON really at Leicester except AM did it in the era of massive money.  People forget that there are only 3 things you can win in any one season. 

Anybody thinking of getting on AM's case after one game is a moron.  Thankfully I these idiots are less in numbers, unfortunately they tend to be more vocal. 

Here's to 3 points and a convincing month down the Villa. 

[Clampy]

I think that is a geat bit of irony that is missed by the Blose hating knobs who slagged him off before he even took his first game

The more successful he is with us in any way is a kick in the balls for the noses - so all those nose hating people should get behind him even more to ensure he gets the best start he can with our support

simples innit

Redknapp has come out and said something similar in  regards to signing Adebayor. The Arsenal fans hate him, so the Spurs fans will love him and that's the best way to look at it. Unfortunatley, i don't think the banner making lot at Fulham are bright enough to think along these lines.

[Hookeysmith]

In my job at VP i have met many managers and chatted with a good few of them. One thing i will say is that AM is a real gentleman - an example is as follows

On the day of the 5-1 thrashing of the Blues
He came out to look at the stadium (which was his first time there he said) and was talking to a few fans - his first words were "What a magnificent place and you dont know how lucky you are to have it" There is a young girl who is a serial autograph hunter and she asked him for his and a photo (you would not believe how many managers and players look at the kids / fans like they are shit) he duely obliged and spent an age with them. There were a few of ours that in a nice way were taking the piss out of the noses - he took this really well and was giving it back. Then this young girl asked him if he could speak to her uncle who was a nose and proceeded to call him who was at home. He then chatted on the phone to her uncle (after a few attempts to prove he was who he said he was)

After the game and after being gubbed 5-1 he still was polite and signed a few more people autographs

Then during the press conference he had nothing but respect for us and the performance.

Now i too have some concerns over his style of play and i hope it was just a case of necessity with the dog shit - but as a man he deserves at the very least our respect because he is a very decent bloke - a lot more accomodating and generous with the fans than MON ever was

[Hookeysmith]

I think that is a geat bit of irony that is missed by the Blose hating knobs who slagged him off before he even took his first game

The more successful he is with us in any way is a kick in the balls for the noses - so all those nose hating people should get behind him even more to ensure he gets the best start he can with our support

simples innit

Redknapp has come out and said something similar in  regards to signing Adebayor. The Arsenal fans hate him, so the Spurs fans will love him and that's the best way to look at it. Unfortunatley, i don't think the banner making lot at Fulham are bright enough to think along these lines.

Did not hear about this - what banners were there?

[ktvillan]

The respectful comments may or may not have been lip service, but they come across a lot better than Houllier's foot in mouth gaffes such as comments  about us being a 6th-12th place club or whatever it was, and his ill-judged behaviour and comments at Anfield.   

I've no doubts AM is a very decent chap, unfortunately being decent isn't what counts, it's wining football matches and playing decent football.  If he does those then I he will win me over, until then it's a no from me because I still have my doubts about his ability to do either of those things and he hasn't had a chance to change that perception.

[Clampy]

I think that is a geat bit of irony that is missed by the Blose hating knobs who slagged him off before he even took his first game

The more successful he is with us in any way is a kick in the balls for the noses - so all those nose hating people should get behind him even more to ensure he gets the best start he can with our support

simples innit

Redknapp has come out and said something similar in  regards to signing Adebayor. The Arsenal fans hate him, so the Spurs fans will love him and that's the best way to look at it. Unfortunatley, i don't think the banner making lot at Fulham are bright enough to think along these lines.

Did not hear about this - what banners were there?

Someone mentioned a few posts back about some Villa fans on a train having a banner which said 'Love Villa- Hate Mcleish'.