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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Gaztonniller on August 16, 2011, 09:03:35 AM
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Now that the summer uproar and protests against his appointment has settled down a bit, and the opening day draw away at Fulham (which aint the easiest of places to go), has A.M been fully accepted into the fold by you.
The pessimist side of me says NO. What ever he achieves at Villa be it FA Cup, League champions, Champions league winners there'll always be fans against him because of certain past club connections.
The optomistic side of me says that with good results on the pitch, the fair minded Holte Enders will one day come to chant his name, and those past connections will be serve as another source of irony and fun to wind-up those in the blue corner.
Im gonna let optomism rule and leave this poll open in anticipation of a fans swing in YES direction as those good results start rolling in this season, and Alex wins over the VP faithful.
Champions league footy here we come!!
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He wasn't my first choice but I was certainly never 'against' him so there's not much winning over to do to be honest
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He's our manager. He has my full support.
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Didn't want him, but he's here now so I will support him.
Never gave a fuck he was their manager and I think most people with a brain felt the same.
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Considering the financial restraints I think he is as good we were going to get.
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Too early to judge him properly but he certainly hasn't won me over yet. So far I like the signings he's made but I haven't liked his playing down of expectations which have a hint of "getting your excuses in early" about them. Also didn't like his selection on saturday, too much trying to shoehorn experienced players into roles and positions that they aren't suited for (Gabby and Heskey) and not enough creativity.
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He's the Villa manager and will try to do his best for the club. He has my support, but with the financial constraints put on him i fear he is on a hiding to nothing.
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I said when he was appointed that I would have on open mind and that stands. He's done everything right so far and while he might struggle to win the boneheads over I think most will give him a fair crack of the whip.
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Too early to judge him properly but he certainly hasn't won me over yet. So far I like the signings he's made but I haven't liked his playing down of expectations which have a hint of "getting your excuses in early" about them. Also didn't like his selection on saturday, too much trying to shoehorn experienced players into roles and positions that they aren't suited for (Gabby and Heskey) and not enough creativity.
I think he got it just right. Having the strength of Heskey and the pace of Gabby and their discipline to do the job asked of them allowed us to cover for N'.Zogbia's obvious lack of sharpness and unfamiliarity with team mares. It's horses for courses and it worked and helped get us a point at a ground where it is always a good result.
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He has done nothing to prove his worth yet.
I can't subscribe to 'as he is our manager I will be giving him my full support' because that implies having blind faith in someone, and I dont have blind faith.
I am indifferent towards him at the moment but I hope that he will do enough to convince me that the board made the club made the right choice.
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It doesn't mean blind faith, it just means giving him a chance.
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on the tube home from Fulham on Saturday and in the next carriage were a few Villa and they unfurled a large banner which said LOVE VILLA,
HATE MCLEISH !!
AM was not my choice but he is the manager of my club so I do support him.
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The Doc
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Hope he does well, still don't think he will. That team selection on Saturday was garbage, hope for much better from his first home game.
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He get's my support 110% we should get behind him he is trying to do his best for us on whatever budget he as at his disposal.
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He has taken on the job and thats good enough for us to support him. He is restricted financially, but accepts that, so in return I feel we should be pleased he is being realistic and not 'getting his excuses in early'.Better to exceed expectations than under deliver!
Lets get together and be as one team, surely we can do better working all together?!
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Despite everything said it is clear that where he came from does have a bearing on attitudes for some people. If his previous job had not been at Small Heath there would not be a thread like this after one game.
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He worked for them, he wasn't a die hard fan!
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Despite everything said it is clear that where he came from does have a bearing on attitudes for some people. If his previous job had not been at Small Heath there would not be a thread like this after one game.
I think it's entirely reasonable to ask what sort of reception a manager who a lot of people see as not being very good is going to get for his first game. It'd be no different if we'd appointed say, Avram Grant.
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He gets my support, I hope he's a tremendous success.
I've liked both his signings so far but I didn't like his team selection for the Fulham game, chiefly the way he deployed the trio behind Bent. There's a ripple of anxiety for me here, in that I'd hoped these strange tinkerings were a quirk of Houllier's reign.
I don't see any reason why AM wouldn't get a warm reception on Saturday.
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Him being Blues manager had and has absolutely no bearing on my opinion of him, I think that is largely meedya sensationalism. As Paulie indicated, anyone with half a brain would not let that affect their opinion. My doubts about him conçern his managerial record and abilities, which I don't consider good enough for the Manager of Aston Villa. But as I said it's too early to judge properly and he deserves a chance. I genuinely hope he proves my doubts wrong because it will be great for Villa if he does. As for horses for courses, well that remains to be seen, and the selection against Blackburn will give us more of a clue. But I somehow expect at least Gabby,if not Heskey, to be selected again.
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Give him a chance! He's barely had chance to take his first dump at Bodymoor Heath. 10 games in then we can measure his progress.
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By the same token it's too early to condemn him it's surely too early to praise him either. So I have chosen "undecided". I was pleased to see the reception he got at half time at Fulham (missed kick off but presume it was similar)
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I've gone for 'undecided' though I'll give him a warm reception on Saturday, and give him my full support 'on probation' as there's no point doing otherwise.
I really don't give a shit that he managed Bloose, but I am concerned that he has a mixed record with them in the PL. He brought them up he took them down (twice) as the song goes, but there again he won a cup with a pretty poor team and shit fans.
Realistically we're now miles away from the top 4 and I accept we don't have an oil well to get us there, and I'm not expecting any miracles. But I'm really concerned about the style of football he'll have us playing and that's why I'm undecided.
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I can live with Gabby being used in that wide role, but playing Heskey behind Bent when we have Ireland and Bannan is just plain daft to me. Actually, it's not daft as I can see the logic of his physical presence for defending set pieces and experience for trying to curtail Murphy a bit, but I just don't agree with it.
As it goes I think he'll get a very good reception and then he'll be judged on the performance, so picking that team at home to Blackburn would be handing the haters a knife and truning his back on them.
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I don't care that he was the Small Heath Manager, I'm more concerned about what he does at Villa.
Different budgets, different players, different infrastructure, different expectations.
Better than Houllier for sure from what I've seen at other clubs, at least he can motivate players !
Back him all day long.
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Too early to judge him properly but he certainly hasn't won me over yet. So far I like the signings he's made but I haven't liked his playing down of expectations which have a hint of "getting your excuses in early" about them. Also didn't like his selection on saturday, too much trying to shoehorn experienced players into roles and positions that they aren't suited for (Gabby and Heskey) and not enough creativity.
Same as me
The winning over he has to do with me is just to play half decent football
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Team selection this Saturday should tell us a lot and will probably have a bearing on most supporters attitude to him. While he is Villa manager he gets my support!
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Same as N'isso, I thought the team selection was poor on Saturday. I'm not against him because he managed the blues, I was against him because the football was shite when he was at Blues.
I haven't seen anything so far to suggest were not going to see Aston Villa 0 a lot this season, I would expect a much more attacking side on Saturday if not I think my patience is going to run out very quickly. I don't like the fornations I've seen so far. Time will tell, at the moment im undecided
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I'm in the wait and see catagory. Good point against Fulham but speaking as someone who doesn't care where he came from, but has doubts about his abilities he hasn't won anyone over yet. We'll see the strength of the Anyone but Mcliesh mob at Villa Park when we have a bad result at home. Personally i think he'll get a good reception to start with at least
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Give him a chance! He's barely had chance to take his first dump at Bodymoor Heath. 10 games in then we can measure his progress.
Well Alex, that last dump was a bit loose, and has left skid marks on the side of the pan. It's also going to need breaking up with the toilet brush before it flushes. Must do better.
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mcleish has had my full support from day one and i think he will do a decent job but i must admit i expected him to be given far more financial backing in the job after reading the generals posts on his appointment.
under the current financial constraints whoever took the job would find it difficult and i wish him well in his quest.
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I wish some of you would live in the real Villa world, nice to be positive and all that but if we go down to Blackburn at home the knives will be showing in his back before he reaches the tunnel.
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mcleish has had my full support from day one and i think he will do a decent job but i must admit i expected him to be given far more financial backing in the job after reading the generals posts on his appointment.
under the current financial constraints whoever took the job would find it difficult and i wish him well in his quest.
yep. it would have been hard enough coming from blose with a decent transfer budget let alone the pittance they've given him. My suspicion is they're hanging him out dry as he'll get the flack from some if results go awry. Still, he took the job..
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For our own sakes, we have to welcome him wholeheartedly to Villa Park. Anyone who doesn't needs to wake up, smell the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' we are in and pull together, otherwise we could be in for a very unsatisfactory season. This is the level we have chosen for ourselves and we have to get used to it.
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I wish some of you would live in the real Villa world, nice to be positive and all that but if we go down to Blackburn at home the knives will be showing in his back before he reaches the tunnel.
The opening few fixtures have been incredibly kind to McLeish. If he doesn't come out of them with a decent haul of points, he only has himself to blame, and will deserve the stick.
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He'll get a decent welcome from me and most of us I assume. He's our gaffer.
But, reasonably good quality goods will have to be delivered or we'll get pissed off with him and be thinking "What did we expect?/I told you so..." etc.
Talking to someone who works for the club and based at Bodymoor Heath a few days ago who says the players have taken to him really well and felt that the atmosphere around the place was miles better than last season. If he's winning the players over that's gotta be a good sign...
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A lot depends on expectations -if people are still hoping for top 6 i think they will be dissappointed but i think top 8 is achievable with a decent cup run thrown in -there is no doubt the ambitions have been lowered somewhat from the days when we felt we could challenge the top 4 and midtable seems to be where we are at.
In many ways the league can be split into 3 tiers and we could probably all name the top 6 now -along with everton , sunderland, fulham and a couple of others we are probably chasing 7th and that europa spot that may be available.
Certainly a finish below 10th would be extremely dissappointing but under the financial contraints i hope people give him a bit of leeway - having said that im sure he must have known the finances before accepting the job.
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I wish some of you would live in the real Villa world, nice to be positive and all that but if we go down to Blackburn at home the knives will be showing in his back before he reaches the tunnel.
To be fair, no matter who is the manager, If you go down at home to Blackburn, you deserve all the abuse you should rightly get.
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He'll be in the home dugout and desperately wanting the Villa to win.
Sadly there will be Villa fans sitting at home wanting him (and the Villa) to fail. And if he makes a huge success of the job these will be the same fans who call him Judas etc when he moves on to a better job.
Good luck Alex. Up the Villa.
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I wish some of you would live in the real Villa world, nice to be positive and all that but if we go down to Blackburn at home the knives will be showing in his back before he reaches the tunnel.
The opening few fixtures have been incredibly kind to McLeish. If he doesn't come out of them with a decent haul of points, he only has himself to blame, and will deserve the stick.
If we get beat at home to Blackburn then he thoroughly deserves any stick he gets.
I was not happy with the appointment of McLeish, partly owing to his poor record in the English top flight, and yes partly down to where he came from and the manner in which he was recruited (lets face it we tapped him up).
Most of that unhappiness is with the board, not McLeish himself. More to the point I am nonplussed with the retrenchment in ambition that this appointment signified, and also the dishonesty about that change in ambition (imagine how well he would do with a chairman that backed him and all that guff).
As a man I have to admit I like like him, he is honest, straightforwards, and is getting on with the job at hand as best as he can. As a manager I still do not rate his ability as good enough to be manager of Aston Villa. Obviously I hope he does well, but I don't think he will.
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I'm, erm, undecided about the undecided option. Surely if you are undecided it means he hasn't won you over yet, so your answer to the question posed should be "no". To be honest,unless you are one of those who is won over merely by the fact he is Villa boss, he hasn't really had the chance to do much winning over as yet.
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Too early to judge him properly but he certainly hasn't won me over yet. So far I like the signings he's made but I haven't liked his playing down of expectations which have a hint of "getting your excuses in early" about them. Also didn't like his selection on saturday, too much trying to shoehorn experienced players into roles and positions that they aren't suited for (Gabby and Heskey) and not enough creativity.
I think he got it just right. Having the strength of Heskey and the pace of Gabby and their discipline to do the job asked of them allowed us to cover for N'.Zogbia's obvious lack of sharpness and unfamiliarity with team mares.
As you say, it's horses for courses and it worked and helped get us a point at a ground where it is always a good result. He did look as though he sorted out some of those donkeys in our defence, and hopefully that will continue. If we could have a whip round to give him a bit more to spend before the end of the month it would be good. If we come into the final furlong of the season looking like we might have a chance of europe i wouls say he's done an excellent job, but we have many hurdles to get over first.
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on the tube home from Fulham on Saturday and in the next carriage were a few Villa and they unfurled a large banner which said LOVE VILLA, HATE MCLEISH !!
I really believe that over the last few years we've picked up fans that would normally have supported the Rags. This is just an addition to the ever growing list.
As for McLeish, I've always admired him as a decent man. If he gets the backing of the fans, as he already seems to have it from the players, I think we could be in for a pleasant surprise. I always saw his appointment as Lerner trying to bring in his own 'David Moyes', I just never imagined he would give the same sort of financial support Moyes has enjoyed at Goodison. That said, we have a small but decent squad, it's up to him to get the best out of them. Comforting is knowing that we have Sid as coach and I get the impression he's far more involved now than under Houllier and McAllister.
Saturday's game can't come soon enough.
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Too early to judge him properly but he certainly hasn't won me over yet. So far I like the signings he's made but I haven't liked his playing down of expectations which have a hint of "getting your excuses in early" about them. Also didn't like his selection on saturday, too much trying to shoehorn experienced players into roles and positions that they aren't suited for (Gabby and Heskey) and not enough creativity.
I think he got it just right. Having the strength of Heskey and the pace of Gabby and their discipline to do the job asked of them allowed us to cover for N'.Zogbia's obvious lack of sharpness and unfamiliarity with team mares.
As you say, it's horses for courses and it worked and helped get us a point at a ground where it is always a good result. He did look as though he sorted out some of those donkeys in our defence, and hopefully that will continue. If we could have a whip round to give him a bit more to spend before the end of the month it would be good. If we come into the final furlong of the season looking like we might have a chance of europe i wouls say he's done an excellent job, but we have many hurdles to get over first.
That's a load of HORSESHIT Clark and you know it!
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DeKuip, you talk a lot of sense!
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on the tube home from Fulham on Saturday and in the next carriage were a few Villa and they unfurled a large banner which said LOVE VILLA,
HATE MCLEISH !!
AM was not my choice but he is the manager of my club so I do support him.
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The Doc
All clubs have a selection of juvenile retards following them, don't see why we would be any different.
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Some of our supporters hate Small Heath more than they support the Villa.
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Some of our supporters hate Small Heath more than they support the Villa.
Pathetic isn't it. I couldn't give a shit about them apart from when we play them.
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for sure Dave, and does anyone know if they unfurled that banner at the game ? I was right at the back and could not see that far down the front.
I reckon they brought it along so if we were 3 down they would look great on the telly.
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The Doc
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My stance is it that is doesn't matter that he's managed Bloses - it not as if we've got Trevor Francis or Jasper Carrott. He happened to be a reasonably successful tier 2 manager who got their job.
I am concerned - as I would have been had Martinez was appointed - that he's not been a successful Premiership manager.
He has my full support.
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Some of our supporters hate Small Heath more than they support the Villa.
100% agree with this - sadly it is the younger fan that seems to be this way
I like the man (I did when he was at the shit - not once was he disrespectful to us, and lets face it to get the knuckledraggers on his side all he had to do was slag us off - didnt he Mr Bruce!)
My fear is that he is naturally a "dont lose first" manager and that will stifle any flair that we have.
I know the counter argument was that he did not have the players that he has now available when at the shit but i just hope that he has the bottle to use some of these kids as a positive rather than "they are all i have got".
My big fear is that his only thoughts for the first months will be get to the magic 40pts safety line - and that could be very boring football to watch.
Managers rarely go brave and rely on senior pro's to see them through so i fear we will see more of hesky / Petrov this year than in previous years - which in itself is worrying
I really hope the guy does well because as i said what i know of him he is a really decent guy
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He was very complimentary towards us when we stuffed them 5-1.
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Some of our supporters hate Small Heath more than they support the Villa.
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Couldn't give a toss that he managed blues, but unfortunately when he did they were piss poor to watch, even the blues fans didn't give a shit when he left because of the dour football they had to watch, and lets face it they have seen some crap down the years,
I know he had to work with what he had, but so did Holloway and his team was worth watching even though in the end both went down
He got some way to go yet to win me over, I think the 0-0 at the weekend might be a result to get used to
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I didnt want him but I wanted Aguero up front too , so I cant get everything I want .
He has my full support thou and I do hope he is backed by the owner .
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Couldn't give a toss that he managed blues, but unfortunately when he did they were piss poor to watch, even the blues fans didn't give a shit when he left because of the dour football they had to watch, and lets face it they have seen some crap down the years,
I know he had to work with what he had, but so did Holloway and his team was worth watching even though in the end both went down
He got some way to go yet to win me over, I think the 0-0 at the weekend might be a result to get used to
agree with all that - the only footnote i would add is that i was looking forward to seeing what he could do when properly funded
Guess we may never know and the club for whatever reason have gave him a huge get out of jail card with their current financial restrictions - almost to a point where i nearly feel sorry for him (if you can feel sorry for someone on £3mil a year)
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Let's hope he does well, otherwise he'll be hung out to dry like a dripping duvet.
All the shit we went through to get him and they won't give him adequate backing, quite baffling.
Nobody's asking for massive investment, but the money for a quality central midfielder and a couple of hungry squad players, shouldn't be beyond us.
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Nobody's asking for massive investment, but the money for a quality central midfielder and a couple of hungry squad players, shouldn't be beyond us.
Isn't Dunne enough?
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Nobody's asking for massive investment, but the money for a quality central midfielder and a couple of hungry squad players, shouldn't be beyond us.
Isn't Dunne enough?
Dunne seems better since he's employed Bobba Fett as his minder.
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Nobody's asking for massive investment, but the money for a quality central midfielder..
Whilst I agree with you, we have Petrov, Makoun, Delph, Bannan plus the kids, Hogg, Herd and Gardner, all chasing the two available shirts. Realistically, one of the first four would have to go. I'll let you choose who.
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Some of our supporters hate Small Heath more than they support the Villa.
I don't know why anyone would begrudge us that afternoon of pleasure.
it was the last day of a truly wretched season, the sun was out, we'd just beaten Liverpool (which is almost up there with breaking the Deloitte Top 20 in terms of achievements) and our hated local rivals had got relegated.
I don't hate Blues more than I support Villa, but I do hate them, and consider it my duty as a football supporter to revel in their misfortune.
I hope there's much more of it to come.
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There's a blue nose who rings up Radio WM on occasions and without fail, she'll have at the dig at us. She sounds extremley bitter and you can tell she hates us with a passion. It's both amusing and very sad.
I like to see them lose but the hatred dose'nt really go any further than that.
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Give him a chance! He's barely had chance to take his first dump at Bodymoor Heath. 10 games in then we can measure his progress.
Well Alex, that last dump was a bit loose, and has left skid marks on the side of the pan. It's also going to need breaking up with the toilet brush before it flushes. Must do better.
a couple of home wins and a cheeky result at Everton and he'll be curling down top quality Boxing Day morning two flushers
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I wish some of you would live in the real Villa world, nice to be positive and all that but if we go down to Blackburn at home the knives will be showing in his back before he reaches the tunnel.
The opening few fixtures have been incredibly kind to McLeish. If he doesn't come out of them with a decent haul of points, he only has himself to blame, and will deserve the stick.
If we get beat at home to Blackburn then he thoroughly deserves any stick he gets.
I was not happy with the appointment of McLeish, partly owing to his poor record in the English top flight, and yes partly down to where he came from and the manner in which he was recruited (lets face it we tapped him up).
Most of that unhappiness is with the board, not McLeish himself. More to the point I am nonplussed with the retrenchment in ambition that this appointment signified, and also the dishonesty about that change in ambition (imagine how well he would do with a chairman that backed him and all that guff).
As a man I have to admit I like like him, he is honest, straightforwards, and is getting on with the job at hand as best as he can. As a manager I still do not rate his ability as good enough to be manager of Aston Villa. Obviously I hope he does well, but I don't think he will.
I agree with this.
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Some of our supporters hate Small Heath more than they support the Villa.
I don't know why anyone would begrudge us that afternoon of pleasure.
it was the last day of a truly wretched season, the sun was out, we'd just beaten Liverpool (which is almost up there with breaking the Deloitte Top 20 in terms of achievements) and our hated local rivals had got relegated.
I don't hate Blues more than I support Villa, but I do hate them, and consider it my duty as a football supporter to revel in their misfortune.
I hope there's much more of it to come.
You said it perfectly for me paulie. I had quite a few bluenose mates, but it was the Tait t-shirt that did it for me. We hadn't long won the League and European Cup and the wanker wears this insult to us in public after they had won whatever the name of that trophy was when they did their open top bus tour of Brum that no fucker turned up for. To make any reference to AV at that time was so inappropriate but the twat did it and it summed the scum up for me for ever. They are a shitty, small minded bunch of twats, from top to bottom.
Except for one ex-centre forward and an ex-manager or two!
back to the thread: I think AM will get a good welcome on Sat. How we say bye bye to him will depend on the result!
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Some of our supporters hate Small Heath more than they support the Villa.
I don't know why anyone would begrudge us that afternoon of pleasure.
it was the last day of a truly wretched season, the sun was out, we'd just beaten Liverpool (which is almost up there with breaking the Deloitte Top 20 in terms of achievements) and our hated local rivals had got relegated.
I don't hate Blues more than I support Villa, but I do hate them, and consider it my duty as a football supporter to revel in their misfortune.
I hope there's much more of it to come.
I thought it was bloody brilliant!
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Winning me over is a longer term thing that will be dictated ultimately by results. He has my complete support though as Villa manager as he strives to achieve that. I hope that come Saturday every person in the ground wearing our colours is fully behind him and more importantly the 11 lads on the pitch.
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I'll be giving him a good reception. I don't rate him as a manager but he's here now and he seems a nice enough bloke so I'll get behind him.
I'm really astounded anyone would give a shit about where he came from tbh. It's just about his ability and reputation.
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I wish some of you would live in the real Villa world, nice to be positive and all that but if we go down to Blackburn at home the knives will be showing in his back before he reaches the tunnel.
The opening few fixtures have been incredibly kind to McLeish. If he doesn't come out of them with a decent haul of points, he only has himself to blame, and will deserve the stick.
If we're really struggligng after the opening 12 games or so he'll be gone, IMO. They really are kind.
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Some of our supporters hate Small Heath more than they support the Villa.
Pathetic isn't it. I couldn't give a shit about them apart from when we play them.
West Ham away a few years back, Milner forcing an OG winner game - around 20 blokes were signing 'Blues are shit m'lord' over and over. That has to be the worst song I've ever heard.
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At this point each game is a milestone, each milestone is a further rung up the ladder if we get the result or 2 rungs down if we don't.
McLiesh will stand or fall by the results he gets regardless of what fans think of him, the problem McLiesh has, in the case of most managers who have to string together a succession of poor results and even poorer decisions before they even get onto the starting grid of the slippery slope and then the boot, McLiesh is already on the top of that slippery slope waiting to slip, hence many many Villa fans already commenting that if we lose to Blackburn at the weekend, already his tenure his bought into question, IMO that's why the board won't fully back him now, they are patently aware of the mountain he as to climb each week.
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Only one game in, its a bit too early to be either putting the boot in or singing his praises so i went for undecided.
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Undecided
He`s got 6 games IMO, after that we`ll know whats what
As a Villa fan I want him to do well for obvious reasons, no point wishing the phucker ill and taking AV down the sh!tter
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I wish some of you would live in the real Villa world, nice to be positive and all that but if we go down to Blackburn at home the knives will be showing in his back before he reaches the tunnel.
The opening few fixtures have been incredibly kind to McLeish. If he doesn't come out of them with a decent haul of points, he only has himself to blame, and will deserve the stick.
If we're really struggligng after the opening 12 games or so he'll be gone, IMO. They really are kind.
see I don't think he will be at all. I think the board have a far longer term outlook and will give him plenty of time to sort this out. When you consider that Everton for the past few years have been in or around the bottom 3 after the first 10-12 games, Moyes would have been sacked on numerous occasions if their board did something so rash. Yet, they game him time, and he still worked out a way to get things going finishing strongly each season. McLeish will be given time to do his job irrespective of how things go. I don't think for a second we'll be bottom or even close to it after 12 games anyway.
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At this point each game is a milestone, each milestone is a further rung up the ladder if we get the result or 2 rungs down if we don't.
McLiesh will stand or fall by the results he gets regardless of what fans think of him, the problem McLiesh has, in the case of most managers who have to string together a succession of poor results and even poorer decisions before they even get onto the starting grid of the slippery slope and then the boot, McLiesh is already on the top of that slippery slope waiting to slip, hence many many Villa fans already commenting that if we lose to Blackburn at the weekend, already his tenure his bought into question, IMO that's why the board won't fully back him now, they are patently aware of the mountain he as to climb each week.
RL and co have made it clear they are absolutely right in their choice of Villa manager. They clearly went after him and in doing so rejected all others and paid a considerable financial cost. I hope some on here are totally wrong in thinking that AM is being set up to fail. I just don't see the point in that.
I think most of us will start forming a view of AM after 8/9/10 games, and more patient fans will give him a lot longer. I'd like to think I'm patient and reasonable but I hate it when my team loses and I was quite prepared to criticise Houllier when I couldn't see sense in what he was doing and the results weren't what I wanted. AM will be judged no differently by me. If we win every game I'll fuckin love him! And so will the rest of us!
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What on earth would be the point of the board going through all this grief only to shit themselves after 3 months and sack him? They'd then have to find more compensation and go through the whole rigmarole again with all the uncertainty that brings. I reckon both the club and the manager see this as a long term project.
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By really struggling I mean bottom 5 or 6. Look at our fixtures, if we're doing that badly going into the difficult Christmas period we'll have to let him go.
If we lose on Saturday the majority will turn against him and it's gonna be difficult from then on.
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It's the start of the season. He hasn't won me over nor am I calling for his head. He hasn't done anything yet.
I will fully support him and on Saturday will be cheering him and the players on the same way I did MON, Houllier and all other villa managers.
He will of won me over when I'm sitting there at villa park being entertained and seeing the results coming through.
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By really struggling I mean bottom 5 or 6. Look at our fixtures, if we're doing that badly going into the difficult Christmas period we'll have to let him go.
If we lose on Saturday the majority will turn against him and it's gonna be difficult from then on.
do you really think the "majority" will turn against him with a defeat? The club isn't going to fork out compensation on this manager having paid to get him. He's here for the long haul.
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As a bit of an 'anorak' who knew quite a bit about his previous managerial record and the circumstances he was working in I was whispering his name quietly when MON left. Obviously the relegation last season put me off but even then there were injury problems which made a case for the defence. For me he obviously wants and respects the job, he is a person who I think fans can identify and connect with and the bonus point is any success with us will hurt the noses even more because he is in charge. They are hoping he fails so any Villa fan who shares that hope might as well get themselves a nice gold chain with a pair of balls on.
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i personally think ecks a great manager :) vtid
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I think that is a geat bit of irony that is missed by the Blose hating knobs who slagged him off before he even took his first game
The more successful he is with us in any way is a kick in the balls for the noses - so all those nose hating people should get behind him even more to ensure he gets the best start he can with our support
simples innit
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do you really think the "majority" will turn against him with a defeat? The club isn't going to fork out compensation on this manager having paid to get him. He's here for the long haul.
He's good enough and the squad is good enough that, without tempting fate, we aren't going to be relegated. The top 6 are probably not catchable right now for us, so it's really a case of where in mid-table we finish. Given that, I think it's best to sit back and watch his Villa without any pre-conceptions and then judge him after 38 games. I know that won't happen and there will be ups and downs during those 38 games, but another managerial change isn't going to happen.
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I'll click yes after we win on saturday :)
Matthius
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I'll click yes after we win on saturday :)
Matthius
I'll click yes after we've finished 3rd in Prem and won the FA cup, beating scum 11-0 on the way! ;-)
(I'd also like AM to provide permanent sunshine, with a light breeze and free beer.)
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I'll click yes after we win on saturday :)
Matthius
I'll click yes after we've finished 3rd in Prem and won the FA cup, beating scum 11-0 on the way! ;-)
(I'd also like AM to provide permanent sunshine, with a light breeze and free beer.)
I'll click yes when this happens :)
Matthius
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Like Mcleish said "this a results business" and he like every other manager will be judged on that fact alone .................
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I agree with those saying AM is in it for the long haul. The last 12 months have been chaotic. I think the board have appointed a manager who is grateful for the chance, is hungry to succeed, does not have one eye on his next 'bigger' job. They've also got a manager who knows the limitations he'll be working within, and accepts them, because he's been working within similar conditions throughout his managerial career. Barring an absolutely disastrous season, I can't see Villa sacking McLeish.
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By the same token it's too early to condemn him it's surely too early to praise him either. So I have chosen "undecided". I was pleased to see the reception he got at half time at Fulham (missed kick off but presume it was similar)
Seems as if your in the majority of the undecided at the mo MW. Wonder if the NO voters will be big enough to change their vote if the team give a good tonking and performance gainst Blackburn.
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He has to be given a chance, it'd be ludicrous to turn on him already. He's the Villa manager and we the team to succeed.
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“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."
Who was the last new manager to say something like this?
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“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."
Who was the last new manager to say something like this?
the last manager who either a)meant it or b)had to win the fans over?
I don't like him standing there it just feels all wrong. He's a Nose.He's tainted and nothing yet will change my view on him. I want him gone but that will only mean we are doing very badly which is not something I want to see. Moreover, and this is something that hasn't been really hit upon, but a sacked/removed McLeish means we have to face the board making us look a laughing stock again with another managerial 'after you Claude'.
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“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."
Who was the last new manager to say something like this?
the last manager who either a)meant it or b)had to win the fans over?
I don't like him standing there it just feels all wrong. He's a Nose.He's tainted and nothing yet will change my view on him. I want him gone but that will only mean we are doing very badly which is not something I want to see. Moreover, and this is something that hasn't been really hit upon, but a sacked/removed McLeish means we have to face the board making us look a laughing stock again with another managerial 'after you Claude'.
That's the spirit. He's not a nose, he managed them but so what? He's Villa manager.
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“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."
Who was the last new manager to say something like this?
the last manager who either a)meant it or b)had to win the fans over?
I don't like him standing there it just feels all wrong. He's a Nose.He's tainted and nothing yet will change my view on him. I want him gone but that will only mean we are doing very badly which is not something I want to see. Moreover, and this is something that hasn't been really hit upon, but a sacked/removed McLeish means we have to face the board making us look a laughing stock again with another managerial 'after you Claude'.
You must have loved Peter Withe.
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“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."
Who was the last new manager to say something like this?
To be fair, I'm not sure it means a great deal.
He's just bright enough to know what he needs to say so that he doesn't get it in the neck. It doesn't mean that he means any of it*
*Of course, it doesn't mean that he doesn't, either.
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“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."
Who was the last new manager to say something like this?
the last manager who either a)meant it or b)had to win the fans over?
I don't like him standing there it just feels all wrong. He's a Nose.He's tainted and nothing yet will change my view on him. I want him gone but that will only mean we are doing very badly which is not something I want to see. Moreover, and this is something that hasn't been really hit upon, but a sacked/removed McLeish means we have to face the board making us look a laughing stock again with another managerial 'after you Claude'.
That's the spirit. He's not a nose, he managed them but so what? He's Villa manager.
What I mean is that Villa manager or not to me he still feels like he's a Nose. I want him to succeed but a manager is not like a player.A manager has their stamp on a club and they - especially the playing side - become an extension of their own personality. Small Heath and McLeish became one and the same because of that. Its that what's difficult to shake. his personality and his ex-club are still too recent and he feels like he's broughta bit of them with him. Its f*cking horrible.
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“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."
Who was the last new manager to say something like this?
the last manager who either a)meant it or b)had to win the fans over?
I don't like him standing there it just feels all wrong. He's a Nose.He's tainted and nothing yet will change my view on him. I want him gone but that will only mean we are doing very badly which is not something I want to see. Moreover, and this is something that hasn't been really hit upon, but a sacked/removed McLeish means we have to face the board making us look a laughing stock again with another managerial 'after you Claude'.
That's the spirit. He's not a nose, he managed them but so what? He's Villa manager.
What I mean is that Villa manager or not to me he still feels like he's a Nose. I want him to succeed but a manager is not like a player.A manager has their stamp on a club and they - especially the playing side - become an extension of their own personality. Small Heath and McLeish became one and the same because of that. Its that what's difficult to shake. his personality and his ex-club are still too recent and he feels like he's broughta bit of them with him. Its f*cking horrible.
I enjoy taking the piss out of my nose mates as much as the next man but you seem to take it all a bit too seriously. He's an employee, he's here to do a job. If he does it well what does it matter where he used to work?
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Of course if he does well it'll be all forgotten. It's just too early for that right now. Don't get me wrong I'm not hoping that he fails because it means we do-its just difficult to see his face and not think of them.
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There will be some that will never accept him, i think the bloke has been given a tough gig, i quite like him, he never showed disrespect to us when he was managing them, my concern is the style of football and his ability to manage the club, i hope he does a great job here. I have my doubts but he does not have the backing to achieve much.
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I think it's quite simple, if he gets off to a flyer he will be accepted just as much as any other bloke. Lose a few and the booers will appear faster than ever before.
I think (and hope) it will be the former. He's a good manager who had to take a Blues-style position to prove he could cut it down here. Lots of manager do this and hardly any of them get anywhere near winning anything. AM did and with a very very average team. Bit like MON really at Leicester except AM did it in the era of massive money. People forget that there are only 3 things you can win in any one season.
Anybody thinking of getting on AM's case after one game is a moron. Thankfully I these idiots are less in numbers, unfortunately they tend to be more vocal.
Here's to 3 points and a convincing month down the Villa.
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I think that is a geat bit of irony that is missed by the Blose hating knobs who slagged him off before he even took his first game
The more successful he is with us in any way is a kick in the balls for the noses - so all those nose hating people should get behind him even more to ensure he gets the best start he can with our support
simples innit
Redknapp has come out and said something similar in regards to signing Adebayor. The Arsenal fans hate him, so the Spurs fans will love him and that's the best way to look at it. Unfortunatley, i don't think the banner making lot at Fulham are bright enough to think along these lines.
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In my job at VP i have met many managers and chatted with a good few of them. One thing i will say is that AM is a real gentleman - an example is as follows
On the day of the 5-1 thrashing of the Blues
He came out to look at the stadium (which was his first time there he said) and was talking to a few fans - his first words were "What a magnificent place and you dont know how lucky you are to have it" There is a young girl who is a serial autograph hunter and she asked him for his and a photo (you would not believe how many managers and players look at the kids / fans like they are shit) he duely obliged and spent an age with them. There were a few of ours that in a nice way were taking the piss out of the noses - he took this really well and was giving it back. Then this young girl asked him if he could speak to her uncle who was a nose and proceeded to call him who was at home. He then chatted on the phone to her uncle (after a few attempts to prove he was who he said he was)
After the game and after being gubbed 5-1 he still was polite and signed a few more people autographs
Then during the press conference he had nothing but respect for us and the performance.
Now i too have some concerns over his style of play and i hope it was just a case of necessity with the dog shit - but as a man he deserves at the very least our respect because he is a very decent bloke - a lot more accomodating and generous with the fans than MON ever was
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I think that is a geat bit of irony that is missed by the Blose hating knobs who slagged him off before he even took his first game
The more successful he is with us in any way is a kick in the balls for the noses - so all those nose hating people should get behind him even more to ensure he gets the best start he can with our support
simples innit
Redknapp has come out and said something similar in regards to signing Adebayor. The Arsenal fans hate him, so the Spurs fans will love him and that's the best way to look at it. Unfortunatley, i don't think the banner making lot at Fulham are bright enough to think along these lines.
Did not hear about this - what banners were there?
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The respectful comments may or may not have been lip service, but they come across a lot better than Houllier's foot in mouth gaffes such as comments about us being a 6th-12th place club or whatever it was, and his ill-judged behaviour and comments at Anfield.
I've no doubts AM is a very decent chap, unfortunately being decent isn't what counts, it's wining football matches and playing decent football. If he does those then I he will win me over, until then it's a no from me because I still have my doubts about his ability to do either of those things and he hasn't had a chance to change that perception.
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I think that is a geat bit of irony that is missed by the Blose hating knobs who slagged him off before he even took his first game
The more successful he is with us in any way is a kick in the balls for the noses - so all those nose hating people should get behind him even more to ensure he gets the best start he can with our support
simples innit
Redknapp has come out and said something similar in regards to signing Adebayor. The Arsenal fans hate him, so the Spurs fans will love him and that's the best way to look at it. Unfortunatley, i don't think the banner making lot at Fulham are bright enough to think along these lines.
Did not hear about this - what banners were there?
Someone mentioned a few posts back about some Villa fans on a train having a banner which said 'Love Villa- Hate Mcleish'.
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“The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."
Who was the last new manager to say something like this?
the last manager who either a)meant it or b)had to win the fans over?
I don't like him standing there it just feels all wrong. He's a Nose.He's tainted and nothing yet will change my view on him. I want him gone but that will only mean we are doing very badly which is not something I want to see. Moreover, and this is something that hasn't been really hit upon, but a sacked/removed McLeish means we have to face the board making us look a laughing stock again with another managerial 'after you Claude'.
He is not really a 'nose' though is he? (I feel a bit daft using the term 'nose'). He just did a job for them. Some managers are forever associated with a particular club but many seem pretty detached. I wanted O'Neil to become a Villa man like GT and BFR but he never convinced me that he had that attachment to the club and I think its the same with McLeish and Birmingham. Hopefully he'll be given time to learn, make a few mistakes and then become a great manager and a Villa man..... Barry Fry was a 'nose' (amongst other things) as was Terry Cooper and Garry Pendrey. Their kind of simpleton/daft personalities and lack of ambition or managerial ability seemed well matched with the club but Ron Saunders was never a 'nose' and neither was Alf Ramsey and neither was McLeish I don't think.
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He wasn't my first choice but I was certainly never 'against' him so there's not much winning over to do to be honest
This.
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In my job at VP i have met many managers and chatted with a good few of them. One thing i will say is that AM is a real gentleman - an example is as follows
On the day of the 5-1 thrashing of the Blues
He came out to look at the stadium (which was his first time there he said) and was talking to a few fans - his first words were "What a magnificent place and you dont know how lucky you are to have it" There is a young girl who is a serial autograph hunter and she asked him for his and a photo (you would not believe how many managers and players look at the kids / fans like they are shit) he duely obliged and spent an age with them. There were a few of ours that in a nice way were taking the piss out of the noses - he took this really well and was giving it back. Then this young girl asked him if he could speak to her uncle who was a nose and proceeded to call him who was at home. He then chatted on the phone to her uncle (after a few attempts to prove he was who he said he was)
After the game and after being gubbed 5-1 he still was polite and signed a few more people autographs
Then during the press conference he had nothing but respect for us and the performance.
Now i too have some concerns over his style of play and i hope it was just a case of necessity with the dog shit - but as a man he deserves at the very least our respect because he is a very decent bloke - a lot more accomodating and generous with the fans than MON ever was
Very interesting and doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I've always thought he was a decent bloke. Doesn't mean he's going to be a good manager for us, granted, but I always like to think we maintain certain standards of decency at Villa Park.
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In my job at VP i have met many managers and chatted with a good few of them. One thing i will say is that AM is a real gentleman - an example is as follows
On the day of the 5-1 thrashing of the Blues
He came out to look at the stadium (which was his first time there he said) and was talking to a few fans - his first words were "What a magnificent place and you dont know how lucky you are to have it" There is a young girl who is a serial autograph hunter and she asked him for his and a photo (you would not believe how many managers and players look at the kids / fans like they are shit) he duely obliged and spent an age with them. There were a few of ours that in a nice way were taking the piss out of the noses - he took this really well and was giving it back. Then this young girl asked him if he could speak to her uncle who was a nose and proceeded to call him who was at home. He then chatted on the phone to her uncle (after a few attempts to prove he was who he said he was)
After the game and after being gubbed 5-1 he still was polite and signed a few more people autographs
Then during the press conference he had nothing but respect for us and the performance.
Now i too have some concerns over his style of play and i hope it was just a case of necessity with the dog shit - but as a man he deserves at the very least our respect because he is a very decent bloke - a lot more accomodating and generous with the fans than MON ever was
Nice story, but - apologies if I've mixed-you up with another username, did your signature on here used to be something like ''They have a different agenda to us'' - Ginger Scottish Twat, April 2008'?
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Barry Fry was a 'nose' (amongst other things) as was Terry Cooper and Garry Pendrey. Their kind of simpleton/daft personalities and lack of ambition or managerial ability seemed well matched with the club but Ron Saunders was never a 'nose' and neither was Alf Ramsey and neither was McLeish I don't think.
Stan Cullis was another - never a nose
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He's fighting a losing battle, but to be fair he is a nice bloke.
If you were manager of the blues and you got a call from Randy Lerner saying come and manage Villa and i'll pay you 6m over 3 years who wouldn't take the job!! He is only an employee but he's in a no lose situation, if he is succesful (trophies, european places) he will keep his job, if not he will be sacked and walk away with his money.
Randy has appointed a "yes man" in some respects, at Blues he said he never had the players because the money was tight, isn't that our situation now?
I don't think he will ever be accepted properly and my problem isn't with him it is with the way in which the board have appointed him. We've gone back 5 years if not further.
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In my job at VP i have met many managers and chatted with a good few of them. One thing i will say is that AM is a real gentleman - an example is as follows
On the day of the 5-1 thrashing of the Blues
He came out to look at the stadium (which was his first time there he said) and was talking to a few fans - his first words were "What a magnificent place and you dont know how lucky you are to have it" There is a young girl who is a serial autograph hunter and she asked him for his and a photo (you would not believe how many managers and players look at the kids / fans like they are shit) he duely obliged and spent an age with them. There were a few of ours that in a nice way were taking the piss out of the noses - he took this really well and was giving it back. Then this young girl asked him if he could speak to her uncle who was a nose and proceeded to call him who was at home. He then chatted on the phone to her uncle (after a few attempts to prove he was who he said he was)
After the game and after being gubbed 5-1 he still was polite and signed a few more people autographs
Then during the press conference he had nothing but respect for us and the performance.
Now i too have some concerns over his style of play and i hope it was just a case of necessity with the dog shit - but as a man he deserves at the very least our respect because he is a very decent bloke - a lot more accomodating and generous with the fans than MON ever was
Nice story, but - apologies if I've mixed-you up with another username, did your signature on here used to be something like ''They have a different agenda to us'' - Ginger Scottish Twat, April 2008'?
You are correct sir - when with them thats what he was as i am as fickle as every other fucker
I still do not think he is the right man for the job - i am not professing he is - it was just that in reality he is a very decent human being (or at least comes over that way)
I love Randy Lerner but if he went to them he would instantly be "That American twat" childish i know but there you go. Even in my old biased quote the fact that he did not slag us and pointed out in a underlining way that we were streets ahead of them came across well
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He's fighting a losing battle, but to be fair he is a nice bloke.
If you were manager of the blues and you got a call from Randy Lerner saying come and manage Villa and i'll pay you 6m over 3 years who wouldn't take the job!! He is only an employee but he's in a no lose situation, if he is succesful (trophies, european places) he will keep his job, if not he will be sacked and walk away with his money.
Randy has appointed a "yes man" in some respects, at Blues he said he never had the players because the money was tight, isn't that our situation now?
I don't think he will ever be accepted properly and my problem isn't with him it is with the way in which the board have appointed him. We've gone back 5 years if not further.
Try and remember the shambles we were in 5 years ago, we are a long way from those dark days imo.
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He's no more a nose than Paul McGrath was a filthy manc!
I'm still not happy, I ventured down to VP to protest his appointment, I left it late to renew, very late as it happens - we bought the last six this afternoon but he's here - he's our gaffer and he has my full support so if anyone gobs off at me should I feel like givin it some 'AM's Claret and Blue Army' tomorrow afternoon I suggest you bite your lip of get the fuck out of my face.
He's one of us get used to it!
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Mortimer wasn't a nose either.
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graham taylor was very much watford through and through and took them on on incredible journey but i think villa got into his blood and although he would still say watford are his club , villa are a very close 2nd- i actually think mon got the feel of the club and was proud to manage aston villa unlike mr o leary who seemed to thrive on belittling us .
there is no reason why eck cannot win over the fans but how i wish he the cash o neill was given during his tenure.
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He's fighting a losing battle, but to be fair he is a nice bloke.
If you were manager of the blues and you got a call from Randy Lerner saying come and manage Villa and i'll pay you 6m over 3 years who wouldn't take the job!! He is only an employee but he's in a no lose situation, if he is succesful (trophies, european places) he will keep his job, if not he will be sacked and walk away with his money.
Randy has appointed a "yes man" in some respects, at Blues he said he never had the players because the money was tight, isn't that our situation now?
I don't think he will ever be accepted properly and my problem isn't with him it is with the way in which the board have appointed him. We've gone back 5 years if not further.
Try and remember the shambles we were in 5 years ago, we are a long way from those dark days imo.
Have to agree, everything from 2000 to 2006 (except the year we finished 6th) was a bit of a shambles apart from the occasional JPA flicker of magic and the camerarderie that existed against a common enemy. BigEck is giong to have to try very hard to annoy me more than O'leary. Absolutely no issue with a 0-0 away at the Cottage, the fact we look short of ideas in the final third is a worry but he needs our support so it would be churlish to want him out before he's even had a chance to stamp his mark.
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What worries me is the mindset of the guy. We have Gabby, Bent and N'Zogbia, what we need to supply them is Ireland or Bannan, not pick Heskey because he can help out in our box, that is a negative philosophy.
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What worries me is the mindset of the guy. We have Gabby, Bent and N'Zogbia, what we need to supply them is Ireland or Bannan, not pick Heskey because he can help out in our box, that is a negative philosophy.
Well Bent will be up front. WithoutHheskey there we're not really going to be looking threatening at set-pieces. i think he'll score tomorrow. as for McLeish, i think he has a 90 minute honeymoon period starting at3pm tomorrow.
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Was bright and breezy on the barometer by my reckoning.
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Someone old guy by me had a banner saying "Muck Off" which was held aloft as the teams walked out. It was ripped from him by a fellow fan who enquired "How's that going to help?" who proceeded to screw said banner up with a bit of squaring off over the shoulder of a steward to follow. By Upper Doug Ellis standards it was quite the ruck.
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The old guys are the worst. ;)
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It's you yobbos in the Doug who get the club a bad name. :o
AM was met with polite applause from the Holte. And I didn't hear any abuse.
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It's you yobbos in the Doug who get the club a bad name. :o
AM was met with polite applause from the Holte. And I didn't hear any abuse.
We were in the Lower Holte and the applause was polite I thought. The feeling was that we await, and want, to be won over?
The howling build-up on the PA didn't help.
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What I mean is that Villa manager or not to me he still feels like he's a Nose. I want him to succeed but a manager is not like a player.A manager has their stamp on a club and they - especially the playing side - become an extension of their own personality. Small Heath and McLeish became one and the same because of that. Its that what's difficult to shake. his personality and his ex-club are still too recent and he feels like he's broughta bit of them with him.
[/quote] “The heritage, the history of success and the tradition of Aston Villa are compelling and irresistible."
Who was the last new manager to say something like this?
the last manager who either a)meant it or b)had to win the fans over?
I don't like him standing there it just feels all wrong. He's a Nose.He's tainted and nothing yet will change my view on him. I want him gone but that will only mean we are doing very badly which is not something I want to see. Moreover, and this is something that hasn't been really hit upon, but a sacked/removed McLeish means we have to face the board making us look a laughing stock again with another managerial 'after you Claude'.
That's the spirit. He's not a nose, he managed them but so what? He's Villa manager.
What I mean is that Villa manager or not to me he still feels like he's a Nose. I want him to succeed but a manager is not like a player.A manager has their stamp on a club and they - especially the playing side - become an extension of their own personality. Small Heath and McLeish became one and the same because of that. Its that what's difficult to shake. his personality and his ex-club are still too recent and he feels like he's broughta bit of them with him.
Begs the question, what bit a Villa did Saunders take with him, over to them? :-\
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The question is, whats more important, how much you love Villa, or how much you hate Small heath, if Villa comes first, you`ll support the gaffer no matter who he is, if hating the shite comes first, find another hobby. Give the fella a chance, he`s got Warnock back onside, Gabby`s playing his nuts off, and the commitments there for all to see, so he`s doing something right. oh, and were top as well, may not be for long, but its a start.
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The bit where he won nothing.
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Begs the question, what bit a Villa did Saunders take with him, over to them? :-\
His secretary, the youth team coach and Robert Hopkins.
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I can't get my head around the level of fury against Blues at the best of times - they're now metaphorically and ACTUALLY in a different league to us and still get whole threads devoted to them! McLeish hasn't put a foot wrong so far, in fact the team looked happier and more confident yesterday than during the entire last season, so the antipathy towards him looks petty and childish at the moment. Hansen (yes I know) said on MOTD that the welcome the fans gave him yesterday showed they had "a touch of class", that strikes me as being more about what Villa's about! UTV.
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From a PR point of view he's been spot on, four points from a tough away game and a winnable home game is a good return. I couldn't give a toss if he came from Blues. Former Liverpool and Man City-ite Matt Busby didn't do too badly at Man U.
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We were in the Lower Holte and the applause was polite I thought. The feeling was that we await, and want, to be won over?
The howling build-up on the PA didn't help.
As he came out I thought the applause was warm, polite, and sustained in a way that made it clear that most of the crowd wanted to make the point that he was "accepted", but I thought the PA spoiled that by introducing him in a tone which clearly expected us to "Go Wild" for our new manager, and it being met by more polite applause. We're not ready to go wild for him just yet, we're ready to see what he can do.
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I embraced the Confucian concept of the sound of one hand clapping.
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I thought it was a warm, polite welcome which is what I expected from the large majority of normal, reasonable blokes that make up our hone crowd. But, as I commented on the post match thread, one contemptible individual made my piss boil by his constant "blue-nosed cnut/wanker/bastard" comments. From minute 1 to 90 he was all over it. TWAT.
I haven't had a season ticket for years and attend as many home games as work allows. Every time I've had a seat in the lower North it's been the same: pissed up cocks spouting obnoxious drivel about a game they clearly a) have no understanding of b) actually enjoy. As such I'm never siting down there again.
And another thing while I'm having a rant. Two fucking pounds for a small cardboard cup of tea? It's that kind of daylight robbery that makes me think that the club are taking the piss out if me. Can you imagine the mark up on that? How much does a tea bag and boiling water actually cost? We're being treated like mugs.
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We're being treated like mugs.
Cardboard mugs.
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We're being treated like mugs.
Cardboard mugs.
Haha, yes.
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What worries me is the mindset of the guy. We have Gabby, Bent and N'Zogbia, what we need to supply them is Ireland or Bannan, not pick Heskey because he can help out in our box, that is a negative philosophy.
Well Bent will be up front. WithoutHheskey there we're not really going to be looking threatening at set-pieces. i think he'll score tomorrow. as for McLeish, i think he has a 90 minute honeymoon period starting at3pm tomorrow.
I'll ley you know next weeks scorers if you ask nicely!