Official - Houllier leaves by mutual consent (p.28)

[paul_e]

Good luck to Gerard Houllier, I liked him. I liked his personality and I liked what he tried to achieve here in extremely hard circumstances. It did not work out and we will never see if his long term plans would have been successful. He made errors, don't we all? Especially when new to a job.

All the best to him and his family.

100% agree with this.

Yep, and me.

Me and all...

and me! 

Me too.

Yup, add me to the list

[sidcowans10]

Although with Hindsight 9 th was better than I could have hoped for a few months ago it's the increasing fear and dread I was feeling with 4 or 5 games to go. I really did fear being relegated and every time I think about maybe Houllier was slowly taking us in the direction we should be, that feeling comes back to me.
We should never have been in that position with the squad we have, and for that I am Glad he is going. I wish him a happy retirement and wouldn't even mind him being employed in some role as Dr Jo was when he left.
The board hopefully have learnt that they cannot afford to delayand we get new man in soon

[holtepaul]

Dave

Sorry mate you are having a laugh.

On around May 1st (I haven't got the figures to hand) - we were out of the bottom three by 1 POINT , 1 POINT !!!!

i cvan't remember the game GH took over, or left - I think GMac's first game was Wolves if I recall (the game after we threw it away to Bolton)

We got 15 of our 48 points in this time

If I remember I think he took over after the Wolves game (even though he had already been appointed) - if thats correct we were on 10 points

That means he got 23 points whilst in charge of the Villa in 23 games

If you tell me that isnt a disaster tell me what is !!

Lets face it - I cant stand the bloke, but we have GMac to thank for us being in the PL next year !

[Dave]

Dave

Sorry mate you are having a laugh.

I think we're all having a good laugh.

[Ger Regan]

Dave

Sorry mate you are having a laugh.

On around May 1st (I haven't got the figures to hand) - we were out of the bottom three by 1 POINT , 1 POINT !!!!

i cvan't remember the game GH took over, or left - I think GMac's first game was Wolves if I recall (the game after we threw it away to Bolton)

We got 15 of our 48 points in this time

If I remember I think he took over after the Wolves game (even though he had already been appointed) - if thats correct we were on 10 points

That means he got 23 points whilst in charge of the Villa in 23 games

If you tell me that isnt a disaster tell me what is !!

Lets face it - I cant stand the bloke, but we have GMac to thank for us being in the PL next year !

On May 1st we had 41 points. So would have been safe. On 20th April we were on 40 points with 5 games to play, and were 7 points outside the relegation zone (and actually safe by then). So by the time that Houllier was out ill, we were safe. Meaning your whole argument is, well, bollocks.
But carry on, I'm enjoying this.

[The Situation]

Dave

Sorry mate you are having a laugh.

On around May 1st (I haven't got the figures to hand) - we were out of the bottom three by 1 POINT , 1 POINT !!!!

i cvan't remember the game GH took over, or left - I think GMac's first game was Wolves if I recall (the game after we threw it away to Bolton)

We got 15 of our 48 points in this time

If I remember I think he took over after the Wolves game (even though he had already been appointed) - if thats correct we were on 10 points

That means he got 23 points whilst in charge of the Villa in 23 games

If you tell me that isnt a disaster tell me what is !!

Lets face it - I cant stand the bloke, but we have GMac to thank for us being in the PL next year !

Again you're assuming Houllier would have got the same results as McAllister in the Stoke, Wigan and West Brom games.

The bottom line is after the Wigan game we were on 42 points... we were safe, we couldn't of gone down. Just because we beat both Arsenal and Liverpool you're now assuming those two results kept us up lol (the Arsenal win in particular).

The most important result was the last minute win against West Ham... under Houllier.

[Dave Cooper please]

On around May 1st (I haven't got the figures to hand) - we were out of the bottom three by 1 POINT , 1 POINT !!!!

Is it worse with 4 exclamation marks?

[Ger Regan]

Repeat after me: We were safe before GH took ill. We were safe before GH took ill. Repeat until you've worked it out. Better get a calculator though.

[holtepaul]

I've actually just checked it up on the official site, I was wrong, but the figures are even worse.

Basically GMac was in charge of 5 games and got 10 points , GH got I think (its hard to keep track) 30 points in 27 games.

Sorry, thats bloody abysmal !

You have to ask yourself why a guy who has totally failed as a manager at two clubs managed to get 2 points a game, which is basically similar form to what O'Neill got out of the same side, when GH got 1.1 !

I feel sorry for Gerard - but his time was a disaster, and I honestly feel, if had not had gone at the time he had, we would not have got the subsequent results and may have gone.

But nobody will ever know !

[paul_e]

You don't have the statistics to hand so you've decided to make them up I take it?

In 28 games under Houllier we got 33 points.
In 5 games under Mcallister we got 8 points.
in 5 games under Mcdonald we got 7 points.

slightly more than the 23 points you plucked out of the sky to strength your argument.

[Ger Regan]

MacAllister got 8 points in 5 games. And we were safe before he took ill, so it couldn't be described as a disaster.

[john e]

You don't have the statistics to hand so you've decided to make them up I take it?

In 28 games under Houllier we got 33 points.
In 5 games under Mcallister we got 8 points.
in 5 games under Mcdonald we got 7 points.

slightly more than the 23 points you plucked out of the sky to strength your argument.

you must be mistaken Paul,
he's checked them on the official site

[paul_e]

Bad forum etiquette on my part but it's worth pointing out that 33 in 28 is the exact same situation we were in after 28 games in mons first season.

[paul_e]

You don't have the statistics to hand so you've decided to make them up I take it?

In 28 games under Houllier we got 33 points.
In 5 games under Mcallister we got 8 points.
in 5 games under Mcdonald we got 7 points.

slightly more than the 23 points you plucked out of the sky to strength your argument.

you must be mistaken Paul,
he's checked them on the official site

Me too, the difference is I can count

[Chris Smith]

In the 11 games before GH was sick we gained 18 points. That happened to coincide with the time when injuries had cleared up and Bent had signed. So once he had a full squad to choose from results far from being "disastrous" were pretty decent and is when fears of relegation were banished. The last few games was the icing on the cake that gave us a respectable finish.