Not the General Krulak Thread

[KevinGage]

I think the board has to take some share of the blame over the events of the summer. It should have been made clear to MON at the start of the summer, what funds were/werent available etc and if he wasnt happy they should have shown him the door.

If that didnt happen, it should have. If it did something must have happened in the interim for MON to walk. What that was is anybody's guess, but the most likely scenario to me is that MON was told no more transfers, so he walked.

Why that didnt happen at the end of May is a mystery to me.

Before this summer, they acted flawlessly. The next 2 windows will tell us more about how committed Randy is....maybe we should let GH go on a spending spree, then get rid of him....Liverpool won the CL doing that

The explanation I heard (I forget exactly where, could have been here) is that MON was made fully aware of the financial situation at the end of March and again in May.

He reasoned that (a) he could probably shift Curtis Davies, Luke Young, NRC and co off the wage bill, but that (b) If he couldn't, RL would probably relent.

As we know, Shorey apart, he didn't shift most of those off the wage bill and RL wasn't prepared to bloat it further with the arrival of McGeady and Keane with seemingly no movement in the other direction.

[Clampy]

My only gripe with the board in the summer was the amount of time they took replacing O'Neill and in particular the interviewing process. You don't interview manager's for a job like this. It's not a job in an office. You make a short-list of people you'd like and approach them, their clubs etc. 

Other than that, i've not got too many complaints with what the board have done since they've been here, they get my respect and i'm delighted they're here.

[pestria]

Pestria I suspect you are a knuckledragger on the wind up.

If you are a Villa fan, which I doubt, you should attempt not to twist the facts to fit your prejudices.

The example which springs immediately from your most recent post is your claim that the board does not have the capabilities to move the club forward.   How can a statement like that be taken seriously?   It implies that things are as bad as they were in the time of Doug Ellis and David O'Leary when the England team refused to use our training facilities.

I'm a Villa fan of 40+ years standing having had my first season ticket in the late '60s just prior to the drop to div 3.  I'm not at all sure of what facts I'm supposed to be twisting.  I'm merely saying what I see and how it compares the ups and downs I've witnessed in years gone by.

I am not comparing the current situation to the fag end of HDE's reign.  The comparison I've been drawn to is that at the end of the Gregory era.  At that time the we'd finished 6th ish on a number of occassions on the back of the NTL windfall.  This time around we've done the same on with the Lerner windfall.

At that time the club failed to market itself effectively, failed to develop overseas scouting networks, failed to appoint an effective chief executive, etc - ie exactly the same situation as now.

I suppose the big difference is that there's always the get-out of using more of Lerner's personal fortune.  However, that misses the point I'm trying to make.  The issue for me is that on the evidence we've seen so far I doubt the ability of the senior management team to leverage the financial resources at their disposal and translate them into sustained development.

Anyhow I can see that not sticking to the party line on this one seems to be upsetting certain members here.   In speaking out I've been accused of being a knuckledragger and angry.  In reality I'm the opposite - a passionate Villa fan who's disappointed at what appears to have been another wasted opportunity.




.......  btw if you want to extend the footballing comparison you could even directly compare the appointments of Taylor and Houlier.  Both dropped right in it by previous managers, both given virtually no time to prepare, both 'football men' who build and develop squads in their style.  Both had strong records in being very succesful relative to the resources at their disposal.  Let's hope the comparisons end there and Houlier doesn't end up getting the same treatment at Sir Graham.

[ROBBO]

I'm not sure of the relevance of the Generals thread to be honest, any informaton he is able to give can be obtained either from the club or pm him. When we are in strife no matter how temperary a member of the board can expect to get playing matters thrown at him,he's a direct link to the club,not knocking anyone here just believe if you come on a forum you shouldn't pick which questions you refuse to reply to. As a board member it puts the general in a very difficult position that's why he probaly shouldn't have his own thread.

[WarszaVillan]

Pestria I suspect you are a knuckledragger on the wind up.

If you are a Villa fan, which I doubt, you should attempt not to twist the facts to fit your prejudices.

The example which springs immediately from your most recent post is your claim that the board does not have the capabilities to move the club forward.   How can a statement like that be taken seriously?   It implies that things are as bad as they were in the time of Doug Ellis and David O'Leary when the England team refused to use our training facilities.

I'm a Villa fan of 40+ years standing having had my first season ticket in the late '60s just prior to the drop to div 3.  I'm not at all sure of what facts I'm supposed to be twisting.  I'm merely saying what I see and how it compares the ups and downs I've witnessed in years gone by.

I am not comparing the current situation to the fag end of HDE's reign.  The comparison I've been drawn to is that at the end of the Gregory era.  At that time the we'd finished 6th ish on a number of occassions on the back of the NTL windfall.  This time around we've done the same on with the Lerner windfall.

At that time the club failed to market itself effectively, failed to develop overseas scouting networks, failed to appoint an effective chief executive, etc - ie exactly the same situation as now.

I suppose the big difference is that there's always the get-out of using more of Lerner's personal fortune.  However, that misses the point I'm trying to make.  The issue for me is that on the evidence we've seen so far I doubt the ability of the senior management team to leverage the financial resources at their disposal and translate them into sustained development.

Anyhow I can see that not sticking to the party line on this one seems to be upsetting certain members here.   In speaking out I've been accused of being a knuckledragger and angry.  In reality I'm the opposite - a passionate Villa fan who's disappointed at what appears to have been another wasted opportunity.




.......  btw if you want to extend the footballing comparison you could even directly compare the appointments of Taylor and Houlier.  Both dropped right in it by previous managers, both given virtually no time to prepare, both 'football men' who build and develop squads in their style.  Both had strong records in being very succesful relative to the resources at their disposal.  Let's hope the comparisons end there and Houlier doesn't end up getting the same treatment at Sir Graham.

I'm not sure if you're right on all of this, but its an intelligent post and worthy of discussion, rather than throwing accusation's about being a blue nose.

[MadJohnnyC]

Bloody typical, the night i was going to ask the general a question it gets locked !
Ive heard today from someone in the know at the sty that the 2 clubs have come to an agreement to give us only 500 tickets for next months game... Wondered if that was true.

[usav]

If that is true, which I doubt it is for one second, there goes the safety in numbers theory.

[Lowendbehold]

Pestria I suspect you are a knuckledragger on the wind up.

If you are a Villa fan, which I doubt, you should attempt not to twist the facts to fit your prejudices.

The example which springs immediately from your most recent post is your claim that the board does not have the capabilities to move the club forward.   How can a statement like that be taken seriously?   It implies that things are as bad as they were in the time of Doug Ellis and David O'Leary when the England team refused to use our training facilities.

I'm a Villa fan of 40+ years standing having had my first season ticket in the late '60s just prior to the drop to div 3.  I'm not at all sure of what facts I'm supposed to be twisting.  I'm merely saying what I see and how it compares the ups and downs I've witnessed in years gone by.

I am not comparing the current situation to the fag end of HDE's reign.  The comparison I've been drawn to is that at the end of the Gregory era.  At that time the we'd finished 6th ish on a number of occassions on the back of the NTL windfall.  This time around we've done the same on with the Lerner windfall.

At that time the club failed to market itself effectively, failed to develop overseas scouting networks, failed to appoint an effective chief executive, etc - ie exactly the same situation as now.

I suppose the big difference is that there's always the get-out of using more of Lerner's personal fortune.  However, that misses the point I'm trying to make.  The issue for me is that on the evidence we've seen so far I doubt the ability of the senior management team to leverage the financial resources at their disposal and translate them into sustained development.

Anyhow I can see that not sticking to the party line on this one seems to be upsetting certain members here.   In speaking out I've been accused of being a knuckledragger and angry.  In reality I'm the opposite - a passionate Villa fan who's disappointed at what appears to have been another wasted opportunity.




.......  btw if you want to extend the footballing comparison you could even directly compare the appointments of Taylor and Houlier.  Both dropped right in it by previous managers, both given virtually no time to prepare, both 'football men' who build and develop squads in their style.  Both had strong records in being very succesful relative to the resources at their disposal.  Let's hope the comparisons end there and Houlier doesn't end up getting the same treatment at Sir Graham.

Pestria,

I take it therefore that you are not the Pestria that was posting on the Small Heath Alliance blog earlier in the year?

[MadJohnnyC]

If that is true, which I doubt it is for one second, there goes the safety in numbers theory.

Yeah that was my first thoughts too. Obviously don't take it as gospel, as these things are normally chinese whispers, BUT I don't have any reason to doubt this "source". Heres hoping i'm wrong.

[Legion]

Pestria I suspect you are a knuckledragger on the wind up.

If you are a Villa fan, which I doubt, you should attempt not to twist the facts to fit your prejudices.

The example which springs immediately from your most recent post is your claim that the board does not have the capabilities to move the club forward.   How can a statement like that be taken seriously?   It implies that things are as bad as they were in the time of Doug Ellis and David O'Leary when the England team refused to use our training facilities.

From the site rules:

Please do not accuse people of being, for example, "a bluenose" or "a manyoo fan" because you don't like or agree with what they are saying.

[Mazrim]

I suspect Brian is not accusing him of being a Bluenose because he doesnt like what he's saying but rather that he thinks he actually is a bluenose.

[pauliewalnuts]

Anyhow I can see that not sticking to the party line on this one seems to be upsetting certain members here. 

God knows how anyone thinks there can be a party line on here on anything.

Have you missed the thousands of threads of petty squabbling?

[Mazrim]

I rang the H&V party line once.
Once!



A fucking nonsense.

[Clark W Griswold]

Jumping up and down with the General on the Holte when Der Hammer showed the Noses his big one is probably my best memory of Villa Park in nearly 70 years.

Que?

[kipeye]

Seeing as this is a thread we can finally speak freely on I agree with Pestria in his response to the replies he has got to his post.
He does not sound to me as if he is saying anything provocative or even in my view, that remarkable. The replies mainly make the mistakes of selectively interpreting what he has said and joining in the stoning of the infidel.
I don't necessarily agree with the totality of his post but find no reason to round on him for voicing his concerns and implying betrayal, lies and deceit in his comments.
Before I am subject to the same, I would ask, please can we all just stop beating each other up? I understand why people would feel a strong need to defend the board and the club. Like me, many of us have given years to it before the Preeemiership was invented by Doug, Edwards and  Bates
Mods, as usual, I am probably being drawn in to an argument I do not have the full facts about, but I am only going on what is actually posted above-not on the last years of semi-deleted history.