Not the General Krulak Thread

[ROBBO]

As supporters what do we hope for more than anything, not a 60.000 stadium, not a great reserve side , not great catering facilites, what we want most is a first team to be proud of, to look forward to watching, players to hero worship. When the General says he cannot talk about football matters all that's left is the perifary because when it comes down to it, all that really matters is what happens on the pitch. Look at our main topics of discussion, possible transfers, injuries, players form, who should we sell who should we buy, because it all leads to what happens on the pitch. Any thread that precludes any discussion of these matters is a nonsense.

[dave.woodhall]

Where exactly can you back up your claim that I called them liars? If not then I'd assume you'd happily retract the post inferring that I have done so.

They decided that they would not appoint a manager until after transfer deadline day because they wanted to gamble on us not being this bad on the pitch. Forget all about the 'we had to wait to get the right man' nonsense because it is that.

Which is saying you don't believe their story. Which is calling them liars.

Do you know why Brian Little left? John Gregory? The full story behind O'Leary? We don't even know the real reason why Ron Saunders resigned and that's almost thirty years ago so stop making out that O'Neill walking out is in some way unique. 

[Clampy]

If they made one error it was trusting him for so long and not kicking him to the curb earlier but then they weren't alone in that making that mistake.

Nice to see you again

Was it a mistake though? There are plenty of fans, many on here in fact, who still try to shift the blame away from Mon, for the way he left.
Even above some still apportion some unknown blame to the Board.
Had Randy sacked him and them appointed say Houllier, imagine the flack they'd be having here and most everywhere else now. Mon would be turned from the Messiah to the Martyr of Aston

  I think a lot of clubs have looked at the way MON behaved and no doubt whispers have reached them about what went on which is why a manager who got consistant top6 finishes can't seem to get a job

There's not been that many jobs available Greg, Chris Houghton is the first Premiership manager to be sacked this season.

[Greg N'Ash]

As supporters what do we hope for more than anything, not a 60.000 stadium, not a great reserve side , not great catering facilites, what we want most is a first team to be proud of, to look forward to watching, players to hero worship. When the General says he cannot talk about football matters all that's left is the perifary because when it comes down to it, all that really matters is what happens on the pitch. Look at our main topics of discussion, possible transfers, injuries, players form, who should we sell who should we buy, because it all leads to what happens on the pitch. Any thread that precludes any discussion of these matters is a nonsense.

Aye. Always said it would end in tears. you can't have a board member come on to answer questions and expect people to stick to queries about the price of the pies. Not fair on him and it becomes impossible when things aren't going well

[Greg N'Ash]

If they made one error it was trusting him for so long and not kicking him to the curb earlier but then they weren't alone in that making that mistake.

Nice to see you again

Was it a mistake though? There are plenty of fans, many on here in fact, who still try to shift the blame away from Mon, for the way he left.
Even above some still apportion some unknown blame to the Board.
Had Randy sacked him and them appointed say Houllier, imagine the flack they'd be having here and most everywhere else now. Mon would be turned from the Messiah to the Martyr of Aston

  I think a lot of clubs have looked at the way MON behaved and no doubt whispers have reached them about what went on which is why a manager who got consistant top6 finishes can't seem to get a job

There's not been that many jobs available Greg, Chris Houghton is the first Premiership manager to be sacked this season.

maybe but there's enough desperate chairman around who would look at his record on paper and be tempted. If you discount the top clubs then MON is easily the best qualifed candidate for clubs 6th and lower.  and yet the only clubs he's been linked to are north of the border and championship clubs. Maybe he's waiting for a big club to become available but i think he's gonna be disappointed if he thinks they'll come calling

[peter w]

Where exactly can you back up your claim that I called them liars? If not then I'd assume you'd happily retract the post inferring that I have done so.

They decided that they would not appoint a manager until after transfer deadline day because they wanted to gamble on us not being this bad on the pitch. Forget all about the 'we had to wait to get the right man' nonsense because it is that.

Which is saying you don't believe their story. Which is calling them liars.

Do you know why Brian Little left? John Gregory? The full story behind O'Leary? We don't even know the real reason why Ron Saunders resigned and that's almost thirty years ago so stop making out that O'Neill walking out is in some way unique.

No, its not calling them liars at all. I'm saying that they are using the dates conveniently to fit the ends of not spending money. I haven't said that they are trying to deceive us just that they have set the date for a reason. Huge difference.

As for all managers, no I don't know the full reasons why any of the managers left but reasons have been offered on both sides as to why they departed. Whether true or not the club and the fans have an idea as to why the manager's you said left at the time they did. Maybe not there and then but reasons were offered. With O'Neill we've had mudslinging from the General but not much more. We have absolutely no idea why MOn walked when he did and who was to blame.

[Mr Diggles]

Its been a while since I read much of the thread anyway, in the beginning it was interesting and useful, but the way it has descended, particularly since the Annual March Slump of 2010, into a ridiculous amount of waffle, ill-informed observations, name-calling and second-guessing about the motives and meanings behind the Board's actions and comments, its been one of the most pointless threads on this site. Release the General from his limbo. Close it, and keep it closed. (Just my opinion, like).

[dave.woodhall]

No, its not calling them liars at all. I'm saying that they are using the dates conveniently to fit the ends of not spending money. I haven't said that they are trying to deceive us just that they have set the date for a reason. Huge difference.

As for all managers, no I don't know the full reasons why any of the managers left but reasons have been offered on both sides as to why they departed. Whether true or not the club and the fans have an idea as to why the manager's you said left at the time they did. Maybe not there and then but reasons were offered. With O'Neill we've had mudslinging from the General but not much more. We have absolutely no idea why MOn walked when he did and who was to blame.

"They decided that they would not appoint a manager until after transfer deadline day because they wanted to gamble on us not being this bad on the pitch. Forget all about the 'we had to wait to get the right man' nonsense because it is that."

You cannot get more cast-iron evidence of an accusation of lying.
 
Maybe O'Neill doesn't want to say anything because there's nothing for him to say. He walked out. 

[peter w]

But we don't know the reasons behind him walking out. What was the trigger?

As for the lying point, I'd suggest that  they are shaping the facts to reflect their truth. I have never said they are lying nor would I.

[Greg N'Ash]

he was being courted by Dalglish all last spring and was using that to put pressure on the board to give him more money. When he lost the liverpool gig the board held firm and having no more cards to play he flounced off. Simple.

[oldtimernow]

Welcome back GN...looks like treatment worked just remember to keep taking the tablets and the new cuddly form will continue...trust me.

Joking apart I find myself in agreement with you....not a regular occurrence I must say!

 

[pelty]

But we don't know the reasons behind him walking out. What was the trigger?

As for the lying point, I'd suggest that  they are shaping the facts to reflect their truth. I have never said they are lying nor would I.

You do know the reasons as they have been stated many times. You just prefer not to believe them and to call it mudslinging. Whatever floats your boat...

[peter w]

But we don't know the reasons behind him walking out. What was the trigger?

As for the lying point, I'd suggest that  they are shaping the facts to reflect their truth. I have never said they are lying nor would I.

You do know the reasons as they have been stated many times. You just prefer not to believe them and to call it mudslinging. Whatever floats your boat...

Has it? The only thing that has been said is that, and I cannot remember the actual quote, that MON thought he was bigger than the club, or that he hadn't the best interests of the club in his work.

If you want my boat to be flaoted even more, or even just sink it, then tell me went on. Why did MON go, and why did he do it when he did.

[Linus]

For what it's worth, i'm accusing them of lying about that :p

[Edvard Remberg]

I would like to comment to all those who say Lerner shouldn't waste money on players, or make sure "this and that", and should be more at Villa doing this and that.

It is perfectly acceptable for the chairman to delegate responsibilities to his Directors. If he was interfering with day to day things, he would undermine his employees, and would not get top people to work for him. The same goes with the Manager. RL can only support him in his requests for players - not tell him which ones to buy. He can set constraints, goals etc.. but not micromanagement - as it would not work with top managers.

just my opinion