Post-match thread - Newcastle v Aston Villa

[Rudy Can't Fail]

NRC has to come in alongside Petrov at the expense of either Downing or Albrighton. Petrov can't do all the donkeywork by himself.

The thing is, we've known that for a long time now. He's exposed even more now with Milner gone.

Absolutley. For me it would be Downing as he offers little defensive cover and it's no surprise our full backs look poor. Add to that he rarely makes a tackle, not that Albrighton was much better today, both were passengers in a toothless midfield.

Problem is Downing is more composed on the ball and can keep possession, whereas Albrighton is useless against a decent fullback (just as MON basically said after the befica game).

I'd start with Downing, but for me NRC would be first name on the team sheet. He is our only player who can break up play!

To be fair to Albrighton, he was up against one of the best young left backs in Europe, Coentrão.
Whether we drop Albrighton or Downing, both have got to grow a pair of balls, get stuck in and give some support to the full backs.

[richard moore]

I’ve seen some fucking shit over the years, but that was the fucking biggest by far. I never walk out early, but I left after the 4th went in and to be honest, I don’t think I’m going to bother going back again. Fuck it, its a waste of fucking money and effort.

Why the fuck should a gang of millionaires embarrass me and make me feel ashamed? Just fuck off Villa you c***s, fuck off.

Made me smile Ads, not that you really want to know that just now. Top rant.

I only ever walked out twice, both during the season we went down in the 80s - Brighton and Man City, both at VP and both at half time

It was the sheer pain of seeing what we had come to after being European Champions 3 or 4 years previously

[Toronto Villa]

NRC has to come in alongside Petrov at the expense of either Downing or Albrighton. Petrov can't do all the donkeywork by himself.

The thing is, we've known that for a long time now. He's exposed even more now with Milner gone.

Absolutley. For me it would be Downing as he offers little defensive cover and it's no surprise our full backs look poor. Add to that he rarely makes a tackle, not that Albrighton was much better today, both were passengers in a toothless midfield.

Problem is Downing is more composed on the ball and can keep possession, whereas Albrighton is useless against a decent fullback (just as MON basically said after the befica game).

I'd start with Downing, but for me NRC would be first name on the team sheet. He is our only player who can break up play!

To be fair to Albrighton, he was up against one of the best young left backs in Europe, Coentrão.
Whether we drop Albrighton or Downing, both have got to grow a pair of balls, get stuck in and give some support to the full backs.

speaking of which I wouldn't mind seeing Ashley Young get the captaincy of Villa down the road. Say what you want about him, but he does throw himself about in games. You can rarely ever accuse him of not putting in the effort, even if he sometimes falls short on end product.

[JJ-AV]

MON out.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

fuck me 17 pages already!

[bob]

fuck me 17 pages already!

Eh? I'm only on page 5.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

NRC has to come in alongside Petrov at the expense of either Downing or Albrighton. Petrov can't do all the donkeywork by himself.

The thing is, we've known that for a long time now. He's exposed even more now with Milner gone.

Absolutley. For me it would be Downing as he offers little defensive cover and it's no surprise our full backs look poor. Add to that he rarely makes a tackle, not that Albrighton was much better today, both were passengers in a toothless midfield.

Problem is Downing is more composed on the ball and can keep possession, whereas Albrighton is useless against a decent fullback (just as MON basically said after the befica game).

I'd start with Downing, but for me NRC would be first name on the team sheet. He is our only player who can break up play!

To be fair to Albrighton, he was up against one of the best young left backs in Europe, Coentrão.
Whether we drop Albrighton or Downing, both have got to grow a pair of balls, get stuck in and give some support to the full backs.

speaking of which I wouldn't mind seeing Ashley Young get the captaincy of Villa down the road. Say what you want about him, but he does throw himself about in games. You can rarely ever accuse him of not putting in the effort, even if he sometimes falls short on end product.

I know what you mean TV but I don't think it's a job for Ashley. Today we really needed some leadership out on the pitch and there was none there. The players seemed to be waiting for somebody else to take the initiative. Kevin MacDonald was spot on this week when he described how Milner was a "power" player, complared to Ireland who was more "flair". Ireland, Downing and Albrighton could be described as flair players but today for large parts of the game they were all passengers. We really missed Milner today and will continue to until we can find players that are willing to battle hard as well as show their attacking talents.

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

MON out.

Too right ! 

[bob]

I know what you mean TV but I don't think it's a job for Ashley. Today we really needed some leadership out on the pitch and there was none there. The players seemed to be waiting for somebody else to take the initiative. Kevin MacDonald was spot on this week when he described how Milner was a "power" player, complared to Ireland who was more "flair". Ireland, Downing and Albrighton could be described as flair players but today for large parts of the game they were all passengers. We really missed Milner today and will continue to until we can find players that are willing to battle hard as well as show their attacking talents.

Downing: flair?

Got to lol at that.

(I know you said "coulde be described as")

[ktvillan]

Still reeling from it and don;t quite know how it happened when the first 15 minutes looked quite promising.  After missing the penalty we just seemed to give up. 

Newcastle are a big strong physical side and were totally up for it.  I think too many of our midfielders and defenders just got bullied out of it, especially the youngsters like Albrighton and Clark, but also Petrov, Downing, Ireland, and the full backs.  Might have been different with Collins or Cuellar at CB alongside Dunne, and maybe NRC in from the start. 

Cant understand anyone blaming L Young, he was no worse than a few other senior players like Dunne, Petrov or Warnock.

Blaming O'Neill is out of order too.  I didn't like him or his football , but his away record was very very good, Chelsea aside, and I doubt we would have capitulated like that to such an ordinary team under him.   This was down to KMac's selection and tactics and the players not being up for it enough.

Edit:Forgot to say I've thought Friedel has been a bit past it for a while now and he looked it again today, first goal especially was a straightfoward save.

[adrenachrome]

Well, quite a few posters wanted excitement, and I suppose we have seen 9 goals in 2 league games.

I am inclined to agree with Ads comment on The General's thread:

Fuck off and die football. It was better when we were kicking the shit out of each other in crumbling shit holes- at least it cost us near enough fuck all then.

and also with Quintus Lentulus Batiatus, who said, after a similar humiliation:

One again the gods part cheeks to ram cock in fucking ass.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Still reeling from it and don;t quite know how it happened when the first 15 minutes looked quite promising.  After missing the penalty we just seemed to give up. 

Newcastle are a big strong physical side and were totally up for it.  I think too many of our midfielders and defenders just got bullied out of it, especially the youngsters like Albrighton and Clark, but also Petrov, Downing, Ireland, and the full backs.  Might have been different with Collins or Cuellar at CB alongside Dunne, and maybe NRC in from the start. 

Cant understand anyone blaming L Young, he was no worse than a few other senior players like Dunne, Petrov or Warnock.

Blaming O'Neill is out of order too.  I didn't like him or his football , but his away record was very very good, Chelsea aside, and I doubt we would have capitulated like that to such an ordinary team under him.   This was down to KMac's selection and tactics and the players not being up for it enough.

Edit:Forgot to say I've thought Friedel has been a bit past it for a while now and he looked it again today, first goal especially was a straightfoward save.

Agree with all of that.
Regarding the first goal, Brad was crouching down when Barton struck the ball. Had he been standing up straight, he would have got a hand to it. It was a cracking, powerful shot but he probably should have saved it.

[ktvillan]

It just occurred to me we lost 6-0 to a team containing Wayne Routledge, Alan Smith, and Joey Barton. Ye Gods.

[eastie]

Delighted mon has fucked off - but now randy needs to show ambition and bring in a quality manager and give him the milner money to spend.
Kmac is a good coach but was exposed today as a coach not a manager.

An experienced manager who knows English football- Sven or jol please,and FAST!

[wombat]

To a man abysmal.

I thought MON was still in charge when he bought Heskey (ps why boo Heskey, they should have been cheering his every move, no fucking chance of us getting back into it with him on) on....... and played him on the fucking wing!!!

I see some calls for Reo-Coker to be introduced...... although he may break up the game he gets caught in possession or just loses it, thus making his sum contribution.... nil! And don't start me on the namby pamby mincing antics of Downing. Warnock's inability to pass to one of his own players. The fact the Freidel is stuck to his line more than Spinksy and has the mobility of a tortoise. Dunne's one balls up per match minimum. Ashley Youngs perpetual whining at officials. Carew's bone idle laziness. Petrov's legs stop working when someone goes past him, which lets face it doesn't take a gazelle! At least Ireland has got rid of that bloody stupid beard.

All the things that we know are shit were there for all to see time and time again today.

Oh well from the highs of West Ham to the lows of a drubbing. Who knows what we will get next week.