The replacement for MON...?

[Jimmy Rimmer]

can the moderators add Houllier to the poll and see how we rate him?

[Olneythelonely]

can the moderators add Houllier to the poll and see how we rate him?

That would only work if everyone was allowed to vote again.

[Jimmy Rimmer]

oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.

Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.

[lovejoy]

Houllier? Sven? Jesus wept.

Houllier - 3 domestic league titles, and a UEFA cup
Sven - 5 domestic league titles, 3 European trophies plus 3 European runners up

Jesus would be moderately impressed, considering.

Massive over-simplification.
You need to look at the circumstances eg the relative strength of the league and the standing of the team within that league. Weren't Sven's Lazio massively bank rolled? So if we are to be similarly bankrolled then his priors are relevant otherwise not. I think we need a guy who has had limited resourced but made a pretty good team play above their natural level, something which MON was able to do and BFR for that matter. Someone like Hughes or Allerdyce would fit here but aren't available therefore, probably AC is the best option of those available. Ideally we would get someone like Jol. If that is the end game why not line him up and leave KMac in charge in the interim. Medium term thinking over short termism.

[nick harper]

I'm struggling to see the aversion to Houllier. He is similar to Hodgson in terms of age and experience - the only difference being that he has won a lot more trophies.

Manager come in and go out of vogue. Two years ago Hodgson wouldn't have been anywhere near the Liverpool job - he does a decent job at Fulham after a bad experience at Blackburn and it all changes.

I think Houllier would be the right kind of manager for us now - someone who can broaden the narrow approach to players and tactics we've had for a number of years.

[john e]

Exactly the point.

Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.

I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor.  I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far.  I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left.  All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.

Where has this bit about not wanting to poach other managers come from? I know the General talked about it from his OWN perspective as a fan, but has the CLUB said anything about this? Who would you like to see from another club? Moyes is out as are some of the other currently employed favorites being bandied about. They have been asked and have no interest in leaving their clubs in a similar situation to how we have been left by MON. So who else? Someone like Holloway? That might be the type who might consider leaving their clubs to come to Villa. Is that the caliber you have in mind? Not having a go; just asking the question...

i know i'l be out on me own,
but i would love Holloway over quite a lot of the other prospective candidates

and i already said so on page 2 of this thread

[Jimmy Rimmer]

agree with that. as long as he's manager not, as some reports would have it, a Director of Football.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.

Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.

I may have forgot or missed it completely -

Houllier
Sven
Curbishley
K Mac

Who is the other one?

[Drummond]

In the last couple of hours the odds on KMac have gone from 11-8 to 10-11 and on Houllier from 2-1 to 9-4. Curbishley has lengthened from 3-1 to 9-2. Next best is Eriksson at 10-1.

[Jimmy Rimmer]

oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.

Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.

I may have forgot or missed it completely -

Houllier
Sven
Curbishley
K Mac

Who is the other one?

Moyes or Hughes? depends who you believe

[asgpaul]

Sorry John e - but I sincerely hope you are on your own with that.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[Irreverent ad]

Houllier? Sven? Jesus wept.

Houllier - 3 domestic league titles, and a UEFA cup
Sven - 5 domestic league titles, 3 European trophies plus 3 European runners up

Jesus would be moderately impressed, considering.

Massive over-simplification.
You need to look at the circumstances eg the relative strength of the league and the standing of the team within that league. Weren't Sven's Lazio massively bank rolled? So if we are to be similarly bankrolled then his priors are relevant otherwise not. I think we need a guy who has had limited resourced but made a pretty good team play above their natural level, something which MON was able to do and BFR for that matter. Someone like Hughes or Allerdyce would fit here but aren't available therefore, probably AC is the best option of those available. Ideally we would get someone like Jol. If that is the end game why not line him up and leave KMac in charge in the interim. Medium term thinking over short termism.

Was MON not massively bankrolled at Celtic relative to the League?

I can't understand why people want managers who have won nothing.

[Fuse]

Exactly the point.

Had he left at the start of the summer, the list would have looked a bit different. Leaving when he did limited our options.

I'd say the apparent reluctance to "poach" somebody else's manager has been more of a limiting factor.  I have to say that without actually knowing who the boss will be yet, I'm very disappointed with the list of names so far.  I'm trying to talk myself into being excited by a Houllier/MacDonald partnership, but in truth it's really not what I expected to see 5 years in now that O'Neill has left.  All the jobless managers linked so far are out of work for a reason, and it just smacks of there not being any money left for either a decent manager or new players.

Where has this bit about not wanting to poach other managers come from? I know the General talked about it from his OWN perspective as a fan, but has the CLUB said anything about this? Who would you like to see from another club? Moyes is out as are some of the other currently employed favorites being bandied about. They have been asked and have no interest in leaving their clubs in a similar situation to how we have been left by MON. So who else? Someone like Holloway? That might be the type who might consider leaving their clubs to come to Villa. Is that the caliber you have in mind? Not having a go; just asking the question...

If we have tried for the likes of Moyes/Jol/Hughes and cannot attract them due to them having morals about not leaving their current roles so soon into the new season then so be it. We will just have to put it down to bad timing which is of course why MON probably chose when he did to leave as he knew it would have maximum effect.

How much longer do you think it will be before we hear an announcement on who the new Manager will be if you don;t mind me asking?

[Toronto Villa]

oh, didn't realise we only got one vote. but guess that makes sense.

Of the 5 candidates (supposedly - maybe we could start a new poll with just them?) GH would get my vote. As long as he comes as manager, not Director of Football. That never works in the PL. The players don't know who's the boss.

I may have forgot or missed it completely -

Houllier
Sven
Curbishley
K Mac

Who is the other one?

hmmm...Moyes, maybe. The 5th one is a mystery. It isn't Bradley or Klinsmann by all accounts. I see Donadoni has thrown his hat in the ring.

[dave.woodhall]

Dont see your point about Liverpool supporters....makes no sense. You are criticizing them because they want to win trophies?
The fact that they didnt like a manager who did not bring them the trophies they wanted and should have been competing for renders them glory-hunters?

No, supporting Liverpool renders them gloryhunters.

Even if they live and grew up in Liverpool? Don't see it myself.

We're not not talking about local to Liverpool supporters.