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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2025, 12:52:26 PM
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Deal close to being done for Marcus Rashford
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/1885667361203568806?s=46
https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1885667507299651720?s=46
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1885614065961320767?s=46
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Is this an attempt to derail it by starting the thread too early?
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It’s not too early. Stop being obsessed with that nonsense. But I am very surprised
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Yessssss, TV has started a thread for Rashford.
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It's pure speculation of course but I'd absolutely love to see him at the Villa. Always rated him very highly. Him coming in on the left for us and linking with Ollie Watkins would be amazing.
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Shame. Wanted to sign Rashford, assume we won't now we've started an early thread for no apparent reason, again.
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Interesting. Low risk (if you think £3m is a low risk gamble).
Good back-up to Oli, IF he puts in the effort.
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It's pure speculation of course but I'd absolutely love to see him at the Villa. Always rated him very highly. Him coming in on the left for us and linking with Ollie Watkins would be amazing.
A bit like Jacob Ramsey but not as committed and a lot more expensive though. I hope it works, as it's an expensive mistake if it doesn't.... And it better not be at the expense of Jacob.
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Phew. Thought we were going to sign him for a minute.
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I would have liked the Marcus Rashford of 5 years ago may the player he is now - probably not.
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It's pure speculation of course but I'd absolutely love to see him at the Villa. Always rated him very highly. Him coming in on the left for us and linking with Ollie Watkins would be amazing.
A bit like Jacob Ramsey but not as committed and a lot more expensive though. I hope it works, as it's an expensive mistake if it doesn't.... And it better not be at the expense of Jacob.
Of course. I wouldn't want to see Jacob go anywhere. But you can't have too many quality players if you want to win trophies.
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I've spent the last 12 months listening to a ManU-supporting colleague slagging Rashford off. Attitude and application is apparently suspect. Said colleague has just sent me a screen-full of laughing emojis.
If he comes, I hope he's still getting £250k of his weekly salary paid by the chemical king.
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Emery wanted 2-3 players in. Having lost Duran we need a back up striker or someone who can play wide. Don’t see how we go after Felix now although given Emery’s obsession with him maybe we still do. Just need that CB in
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Can’t blame Rashford for deserting a sinking ship and joining an upwardly mobile CL club.
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Aston Villa close to agreeing loan for Manchester United’s Marcus Rashford
David Ornstein and Laurie Whitwell
Aston Villa are close to agreeing a deal to sign Marcus Rashford on loan from Manchester United.
The proposed move has not yet been finalised as some details still need to be ironed out between all parties.
Significant progress has been made though, with Villa moving to sort the financial terms, looking to satisfy United on salary coverage, and convince the player. The chance to play in the Champions League is an appeal for Rashford, with Unai Emery fully behind the approach. It is believed an option to buy will be agreed with Villa.
Villa are set to cover a significant portion of the forward’s wage alongside offering performance-related bonuses.
Villa manager Emery personally requested the club enter talks over Rashford as he is a big fan of the England international, whom he thinks is one of the world’s most dangerous attacking players, and believes he can help him recapture his best form.
The 27-year-old has attracted interest across Europe this window with Barcelona, Milan and Borussia Dortmund among those keen on signing him but is now set to stay in the Premier League with a move to Villa Park for the remainder of 2024-25.
Rashford’s United contract runs until 2028 and he is among the club’s top earners, with his salary more than £325,000 per week.
Rashford has not featured in any of United’s last 12 games in all competitions after being left out of the squad for the derby win over Manchester City on December 15. The forward has been sidelined by head coach Ruben Amorim after he said he was “ready for a new challenge”.
Marcus Rashford has missed five Manchester United games. What's going on?
Rashford was named on the bench for United’s defeat to Newcastle on December 30 but was an unused substitute and has continued to be left out entirely since then, including for the club’s 2-2 draw at Anfield on January 5 and the FA Cup third round tie at Arsenal the following week.
Prior to his omission at the Etihad Stadium, he had previously played in all 15 of United’s Premier League games, starting 12 of them.
Rashford famously came through the academy at United, having been associated with the club since he was seven years old. He made his senior debut for the side in 2016 and has made 426 appearances for the club since then, scoring 138 goals.
Villa, eighth in the league, brought in Donyell Malen from Borussia Dortmund earlier this month and have been looking at attacking options after the departure of Jhon Duran to Saudi Pro League side Al Nassr.
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he needs this, but we also need a forward - makes sense, and Emery improves players - £3mil isn't bad....
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He tends to bounce from being very good to being crap. Hopefully we get the good version.
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He just doesn’t fit our system at all, what is Unai’s plan here?
Can’t play the Ollie role, he’s no lone striker and doesn’t press enough.
Not disciplined enough for our wide roles.
Not technical enough as a ‘10’
He could work in a 4231 as the wide left forward. But that leaves Ramsey out as neither are as effective on the right.
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Take your pick from Watkins, Ramsey, Rogers, Rashford, Bailey, Malen. Rogers or Rashford could play CF in the event of Ollie being injured. Ollie could play in a 2 with Rashford also. We've had worse options up front.
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He tends to bounce from being very good to being crap. Hopefully we get the good version.
Unai Emery would resurrect his career. He's been playing under crap managers since Fergie retired. Get it done please Villa.
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Take your pick from Watkins, Ramsey, Rogers, Rashford, Bailey, Malen. Rogers or Rashford could play CF in the event of Ollie being injured. Ollie could play in a 2 with Rashford also. We've had worse options up front.
We have indeed
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I dont want him at Villa but then I said the same thing about John Terry.
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I'm astonished by this, but here we are. I hope it works out.
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He just doesn’t fit our system at all, what is Unai’s plan here?
Can’t play the Ollie role, he’s no lone striker and doesn’t press enough.
Not disciplined enough for our wide roles.
Not technical enough as a ‘10’
He could work in a 4231 as the wide left forward. But that leaves Ramsey out as neither are as effective on the right.
Unai Emery is apparently keen on getting him in. That's all I need to know.
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Ramsey is my favourite player and he's finally getting back to form. I care more about that than the Rashford baggage. The right side of our attack needs a lot more work.
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Ramsey is my favourite player and he's finally getting back to form. I care more about that than the Rashford baggage. The right side of our attack needs a lot more work.
Could Ramsey play there? He's pretty two-footed.
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Hoping we get this version of Marcus Rashford. Not the one that stopped giving a fuck about football in the last year.
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Ramsey is my favourite player and he's finally getting back to form. I care more about that than the Rashford baggage. The right side of our attack needs a lot more work.
Could Ramsey play there? He's pretty two-footed.
His set up for the goal to Ollie this week suggests he could.
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Massive gamble by Emery here. If this backfires it will undo a lot of the good work he's done.
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Given the form Ramsey has shown the last few weeks, if Rashford starts getting in ahead of him he must be playing well. Rashford can play across the front 3, and I’m sure in his younger days he pressed and tackled back, maybe he just needs a change of scenery, have we ever signed an MBE before ?
The salary package could upset a few in the squad if we don’t get it right though.
I’m more interested in knowing who our new centre half is going to be, but I guess there is not as much interest in that, compared to the Rashford story.
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Id rather we took a punt on Rashford than Felix.
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Are we panicking? This doesn't feel thought through. Completely out of the blue.
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Massive gamble by Emery here. If this backfires it will undo a lot of the good work he's done.
I think that's an exaggeration.
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I've spent the last 12 months listening to a ManU-supporting colleague slagging Rashford off. Attitude and application is apparently suspect. Said colleague has just sent me a screen-full of laughing emojis.
If he comes, I hope he's still getting £250k of his weekly salary paid by the chemical king.
Yeah, for the past 18 months the comments on the Yanited forum about his performances and attitude have been scathing. There will be no shortage of Mancunian Reds willing to drive him to B6.
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"Villa are set to cover a significant portion of the forward’s wage alongside offering performance-related bonuses."
I'm struggling with this bit. And, is be pretty pissed off if Ramsey loses out just as he reaches full fitness and form.
And where does it leave Malen, out new bright eight-sided player, if both Rashford and Ramsey play?
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As long as Manure are paying a large percntage of his wages I think it could be a cracking bit of business for us.
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Hopefully this is just the start of us opening our doubloon filled warchest,
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Id rather we took a punt on Rashford than Felix.
This is a good point. Get Rashford on song, he's a MUCH better option than Felix. Would also count as a 'homegrown' player in our European Squad.
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"Villa are set to cover a significant portion of the forward’s wage alongside offering performance-related bonuses."
I'm struggling with this bit. And, is be pretty pissed off if Ramsey loses out just as he reaches full fitness and form.
And where does it leave Malen, out new bright eight-sided player, if both Rashford and Ramsey play?
I don't understand this sort of attitude. We're all complaining about needing reinforcements in forward positions after losing Duran, Buendia and Philogene, and only adding Malen - then we potentially add a player and suddenly there is concern for the players we already have.
If he joins, it's good for us. No obligation to buy, so if he's dire, it'll be an expensive loan, but certainly not a disaster. If it works, we get a forward who at his best would be an absolute asset to any club in the world.
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"Villa are set to cover a significant portion of the forward’s wage alongside offering performance-related bonuses."
I'm struggling with this bit. And, is be pretty pissed off if Ramsey loses out just as he reaches full fitness and form.
And where does it leave Malen, out new bright eight-sided player, if both Rashford and Ramsey play?
Someone is polygon have to sit on the bench.
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I can't understand the negativity on here. We idolise Unai Emery because he has got us in a better place than we have been for years. Concerns over his attitude and form are fair enough but I trust the process and if Emery is happy with the move so am I.
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"Villa are set to cover a significant portion of the forward’s wage alongside offering performance-related bonuses."
I'm struggling with this bit. And, is be pretty pissed off if Ramsey loses out just as he reaches full fitness and form.
And where does it leave Malen, out new bright eight-sided player, if both Rashford and Ramsey play?
Someone is polygon have to sit on the bench.
Even though he's the Euclid on the block?
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Massive gamble by Emery here. If this backfires it will undo a lot of the good work he's done.
How so ?
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I would have liked the Marcus Rashford of 5 years ago may the player he is now - probably not.
He scored 30 only two seasons ago.
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I'd take Felix over him any day of the week.
I can't imagine Emery will guarantee him game time, so if he plays ahead of Ramsey it will be on merit. An expensive loan with no obligation isn't the end of the world I suppose.
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It will be great to see the likes of JJ, Rashford, Rogers in behind Ollie with interchangeable players like Barkley, Malan, McGinn etc also ready and available. On form, this is a no brainer, always been a handful, lots of England caps, a decent man. If his head is on straight.
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This strikes me as one of those deals where some are bit down on it, then he does really well. Loads of ability, with a point to prove. Being freed from the pressures of that crumbling shit hole might help too. It clearly weighs heavy on a lot of managers and players.
If it goes badly he's here for a few months. Bit of a no brainer. Shouldn't be at the expense of Ramsey, mind. Rotational option on the left and up front, keeping Rogers at 10.
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It seems to me that Rashford needs a manager who believes in him. I don’t think he has had that for a long time at that cess pit.
To me it seems that he has been made a scapegoat for much of the shite that has happened up there over the last few years.
This is compound by people who ‘just don’t like him’ because he has been outspoken on social issues.
It’s a two way choice. Unai wants him, and he wants to come to us, seemingly.
Getting him out of the toxicity of that place is a start.
I am convinced Unai can get him back, close to his best.
If not, he goes back in 4 months time.
It’s an absolute no brainer, for me.
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If we take him, Man Utd should be paying us an advertising fee yet alone us giving them any money.
Sorry, but a leopard doesn't change its spots.
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With crazy horse leaving, and Malen and Rashford in, it looks like Emery is assembling an interchangeable attacking unit that Duran couldn't fit into due to him being a maverick and unpredictable.
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Where is Rushford supposed to play? Ramsey and Rogers are playing really well. Does he have bailys place? Where does Malen fit in? We don't need Rushford.
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The poster boy for a player on big money who doesn't give a shit. In Unai we trust but I'm really not sure about this. Hope I'm wrong but I thought the days of taking in overpaid wasters were over.
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He just doesn’t fit our system at all, what is Unai’s plan here?
Can’t play the Ollie role, he’s no lone striker and doesn’t press enough.
Not disciplined enough for our wide roles.
Not technical enough as a ‘10’
He could work in a 4231 as the wide left forward. But that leaves Ramsey out as neither are as effective on the right.
I just can't see it really, unless he is coming in to play wide right? I'm not sure it's a wise move to pay that kind of money for someone who is going to be a back up to Ollie Watkins and is he going to want that anyway? We don't play with a left-winger and I can't see him being able to play the role Ramsey and Rogers play on that side. Which just leaves the right and I can't really recall him playing there.
If it happens then I obviously hope it works, but it seems like an expensive gamble because when I think of him in recent years, that clip where he lamely chases after Ross Barkley springs to mind.
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It seems to me that Rashford needs a manager who believes in him. I don’t think he has had that for a long time at that cess pit.
To me it seems that he has been made a scapegoat for much of the shite that has happened up there over the last few years.
This is compound by people who ‘just don’t like him’ because he has been outspoken on social issues.
It’s a two way choice. Unai wants him, and he wants to come to us, seemingly.
Getting him out of the toxicity of that place is a start.
I am convinced Unai can get him back, close to his best.
If not, he goes back in 4 months time.
It’s an absolute no brainer, for me.
I might not be all the way where you are Andy but I could be convinced. There is definitely a story there to be told of what happened to a superb young player from 2 seasons ago. My concern is of the mental health side is so overwhelming that he’s lost his drive to that footballer again. There a side of me that thinks he might be Dele Alli who completely lost his way. Add to that Rashford’s social media presence and scrutiny which seems to have affected him. Hey, we have to trust the best manager we have had at this club in a long time to make good decisions and bring back to form a player who is still only 27. And a short term loan means we haven’t committed to anything long term if it doesn’t work. English player, homegrown, bags of international and European competition experience.
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Where is Rushford supposed to play? Ramsey and Rogers are playing really well. Does he have bailys place? Where does Malen fit in? We don't need Rushford.
Centre half ?
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a decent man. If his head is on straight.
This is it. Is he a decent man or is he a lazy arse?
As far as football goes he really looks like a lazy arse.
I'm not arsed if we win The Socially-Conscious Cup.
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Yeah I've been thinking of that clip too, he's just going through the motions not giving a shit.
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Lazy with a suspect temperament, you say? Sounds like Tielemans at Leicester. What’s he up to now?
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He's been a waste of space.
All Ifs and Maybes
A bad signing.
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The clubs officially lost it.
What a absolutely terrible idea. This is going to be a expensive disaster. Thank god its only a loan
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This strikes me as one of those deals where some are bit down on it, then he does really well. Loads of ability, with a point to prove. Being freed from the pressures of that crumbling shit hole might help too. It clearly weighs heavy on a lot of managers and players.
If it goes badly he's here for a few months.
Hopefully. But what if he's ace for four months, we sign him permanently and then he reverts to turning up late for training?
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Another plus point for this is he won’t be cup tied in the FA Cup
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Our bench is paper thin. We are getting into the business end of the season. 5th in likely a CL spot. FA Cup round 4, CL last 16. We need depth and options across the squad. Ramsey has a history of injuries. We need defensive cover also. But having versatile attacking midfielders, wingers and forwards could be huge down the stretch.
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Where is Rushford supposed to play? Ramsey and Rogers are playing really well. Does he have bailys place? Where does Malen fit in? We don't need Rushford.
Malen will be on the right and interchangeable with Bailey. Emery wants Rogers at 10, as we all should. If Ramsey gets injured, who plays on the left right now? If Watkins gets injured, who plays up front? We're in the last 16 of the Champions League FFS.
We need a left sided attacker who can play up top. On short notice, Marcus Rashford is, qualitywise, easily the highest level we can get. People read too much into the mental stuff. A fresh start makes a difference.
I reckon if he'd left those school dinners alone he'd be having an easier time of things too.
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The clubs officially lost it
Stop being such a titty babby. We're bringing in a highly-coveted striker on a four month loan. It's hardly the last days of Rome.
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The clubs officially lost it.
What a absolutely terrible idea. This is going to be a expensive disaster. Thank god its only a loan
We can look forward to you slagging him off after he scores or creates his first goal for us.
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Where is Rushford supposed to play? Ramsey and Rogers are playing really well. Does he have bailys place? Where does Malen fit in? We don't need Rushford.
Malen will be on the right and interchangeable with Bailey
Emery wants Rogers at 10, as we all should. If Ramsey gets injured, who plays on the left right now? If Watkins gets injured, who plays up front? We're in the last 16 of the Champions League FFS.
We need a left sided attacker who can play up top. On short notice, Marcus Rashford is, qualitywise, easily the highest level we can get. People read too much into the mental stuff. A fresh start makes a difference.
I reckon if he'd left those school dinners alone he'd be having an easier time of things too.
Correct on all counts.
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The buy option is interesting too. What is valued at today? And it’s great incentive to the player to get out Manchester and write a new chapter to his life and career.
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It will be great to see the likes of JJ, Rashford, Rogers in behind Ollie with interchangeable players like Barkley, Malan, McGinn etc also ready and available. On form, this is a no brainer, always been a handful, lots of England caps, a decent man. If his head is on straight.
The reason they want rid of him is he doesn't take training seriously and refuses to track back. We'd be doing Man U a MASSIVE favour taking him off their hands, even for a few months.
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The buy option is interesting too. What is valued at today? And it’s great incentive to the player to get out Manchester and write a new chapter to his life and career.
You are coming round TV 👍
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Where is Rushford supposed to play? Ramsey and Rogers are playing really well. Does he have bailys place? Where does Malen fit in? We don't need Rushford.
Malen will be on the right and interchangeable with Bailey
Emery wants Rogers at 10, as we all should. If Ramsey gets injured, who plays on the left right now? If Watkins gets injured, who plays up front? We're in the last 16 of the Champions League FFS.
We need a left sided attacker who can play up top. On short notice, Marcus Rashford is, qualitywise, easily the highest level we can get. People read too much into the mental stuff. A fresh start makes a difference.
I reckon if he'd left those school dinners alone he'd be having an easier time of things too.
Correct on all counts.
Except he's clearly not coming in to be cover. There's not a chance he comes to us other than with the expectation of starting. So who does he displace? You'd prefer him in the side to Ramsey?
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The clubs officially lost it
Stop being such a titty babby. We're bringing in a highly-coveted striker on a four month loan. It's hardly the last days of Rome.
Highly coveted? Who else wants him?
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Rashford or Felix would be great. Ramsey might be put out by it but as much as I love him he should have no qualms as his injury record testifies.
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It will be great to see the likes of JJ, Rashford, Rogers in behind Ollie with interchangeable players like Barkley, Malan, McGinn etc also ready and available. On form, this is a no brainer, always been a handful, lots of England caps, a decent man. If his head is on straight.
The reason they want rid of him is he doesn't take training seriously and refuses to track back. We'd be doing Man U a MASSIVE favour taking him off their hands, even for a few months.
It will be interesting to see what shape he’s in and if that’s actually the case when you joins us
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The clubs officially lost it
Stop being such a titty babby. We're bringing in a highly-coveted striker on a four month loan. It's hardly the last days of Rome.
Highly coveted? Who else wants him?
Actually, Barcelona. Which you might feel is incredible but it's true.
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So he is coming to sit on the bench until Ramsey or Watkins get injured. Hmmm not really our priority need at the moment
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Where is Rushford supposed to play? Ramsey and Rogers are playing really well. Does he have bailys place? Where does Malen fit in? We don't need Rushford.
Malen will be on the right and interchangeable with Bailey
Emery wants Rogers at 10, as we all should. If Ramsey gets injured, who plays on the left right now? If Watkins gets injured, who plays up front? We're in the last 16 of the Champions League FFS.
We need a left sided attacker who can play up top. On short notice, Marcus Rashford is, qualitywise, easily the highest level we can get. People read too much into the mental stuff. A fresh start makes a difference.
I reckon if he'd left those school dinners alone he'd be having an easier time of things too.
Correct on all counts.
Except he's clearly not coming in to be cover. There's not a chance he comes to us other than with the expectation of starting. So who does he displace? You'd prefer him in the side to Ramsey?
And you know this how ?
I am 100% sure that the discussion would be something along the lines of Unai saying he will play and be in the team on merit.
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This strikes me as one of those deals where some are bit down on it, then he does really well. Loads of ability, with a point to prove. Being freed from the pressures of that crumbling shit hole might help too. It clearly weighs heavy on a lot of managers and players.
If it goes badly he's here for a few months.
Hopefully. But what if he's ace for four months, we sign him permanently and then he reverts to turning up late for training?
If he's ace for four months we can't afford to drive the wage structure up that high anyway. I wouldn't worry about it.
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He’ll be nowhere near the 1st XI until he proves to Unai he’s ready to be so. A good option off the bench for us in the meantime. Maybe means Rogers and Ramsey get the occasional rest rather than being flogged to death. However, it is a risk with what’s happened in the last 12-18 months. Loan only would be my preference.
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He’s coming to get a starting position. I would hope every player we sign has that objective. And the other players should know that they need to work hard to not lose their place.
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Where is Rushford supposed to play? Ramsey and Rogers are playing really well. Does he have bailys place? Where does Malen fit in? We don't need Rushford.
Malen will be on the right and interchangeable with Bailey
Emery wants Rogers at 10, as we all should. If Ramsey gets injured, who plays on the left right now? If Watkins gets injured, who plays up front? We're in the last 16 of the Champions League FFS.
We need a left sided attacker who can play up top. On short notice, Marcus Rashford is, qualitywise, easily the highest level we can get. People read too much into the mental stuff. A fresh start makes a difference.
I reckon if he'd left those school dinners alone he'd be having an easier time of things too.
Correct on all counts.
No it's not, I'm guessing most of the concerns are about his attitude in games and training over recent years making Ross McCormack look like a model pro.
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Where is Rushford supposed to play? Ramsey and Rogers are playing really well. Does he have bailys place? Where does Malen fit in? We don't need Rushford.
Malen will be on the right and interchangeable with Bailey
Emery wants Rogers at 10, as we all should. If Ramsey gets injured, who plays on the left right now? If Watkins gets injured, who plays up front? We're in the last 16 of the Champions League FFS.
We need a left sided attacker who can play up top. On short notice, Marcus Rashford is, qualitywise, easily the highest level we can get. People read too much into the mental stuff. A fresh start makes a difference.
I reckon if he'd left those school dinners alone he'd be having an easier time of things too.
Correct on all counts.
Except he's clearly not coming in to be cover. There's not a chance he comes to us other than with the expectation of starting. So who does he displace? You'd prefer him in the side to Ramsey?
I'd like to have options all over the front line, rather than having to leave my phone on loud in case Emery rings me to come on every time Ramsey grabs his leg. Rashford can play all over.
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So he is coming to sit on the bench until Ramsey or Watkins get injured. Hmmm not really our priority need at the moment
I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous.
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Sure, Rashford's swapping their bench (at best) for ours. That's how we're selling it to him and that's what he's really keen on.
Nah, he's not coming to do a Barkley, he's starting.
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Except he's clearly not coming in to be cover. There's not a chance he comes to us other than with the expectation of starting. So who does he displace? You'd prefer him in the side to Ramsey?
And you know this how ?
I am 100% sure that the discussion would be something along the lines of Unai saying he will play and be in the team on merit.
So you agree with Monty?
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Rashford or Felix would be great. Ramsey might be put out by it but as much as I love him he should have no qualms as his injury record testifies.
When Rashford has played on the left for Manchester United and England, he's played as a wide forward. The role on the left that Ramsey and Rogers play isn't that kind of role, so I can't really see him fitting in there to be honest.
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As an aside I posted the other day it was around this time in 2020 we signed Borja Baston in January on a free. Now we are arguing over signing a 27 year old former international footballer on loan to help us compete in Champions League. How times have changed.
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The clubs officially lost it.
What a absolutely terrible idea. This is going to be a expensive disaster. Thank god its only a loan
Blimey, this is really out of character Demi, you’re normally so measured and level.
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It will be great to see the likes of JJ, Rashford, Rogers in behind Ollie with interchangeable players like Barkley, Malan, McGinn etc also ready and available. On form, this is a no brainer, always been a handful, lots of England caps, a decent man. If his head is on straight.
The reason they want rid of him is he doesn't take training seriously and refuses to track back. We'd be doing Man U a MASSIVE favour taking him off their hands, even for a few months.
It will be interesting to see what shape he’s in and if that’s actually the case when you joins us
Since day 1 he hasn't been prepared to train properly for Amorim at the club he claims to love, so I wouldn't expect he's ready to start. It's his mental health I'd be more worried about, that and disrupting a very tight knit squad.
Between him and Felix and I'm no fan of Felix, I'd take Felix every day.
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Rashford or Felix would be great. Ramsey might be put out by it but as much as I love him he should have no qualms as his injury record testifies.
When Rashford has played on the left for Manchester United and England, he's played as a wide forward. The role on the left that Ramsey and Rogers play isn't that kind of role, so I can't really see him fitting in there to be honest.
Unless we’ve decided that rather than playing with a right side winger Bailey we’ll be playing a left side one instead. I’m sure Unai will have some ideas on what he wants to do with him.
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I think some on here must be on drugs or something.
We have Unai Emery as our manager. A man who has managed some of the biggest names, egos, and players in the world.
He doesn’t take fools gladly. He’s not going to take on a player who thinks is a busted flush.
He’s not going to bring in a player and promise him a start every week regardless of his form or performances.
I think we all need to take a deep breath and consider that this just might give us some very, very valuable cover in the last 4 months of the season, where we are chasing a European place, in the last 16 of the CL and are embarking on our FA cup winning campaign.
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I do find it funny how people get very upset about where he’s going to play. If he comes and he does well enough to force himself into the starting line up that is very good for us.
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It will be great to see the likes of JJ, Rashford, Rogers in behind Ollie with interchangeable players like Barkley, Malan, McGinn etc also ready and available. On form, this is a no brainer, always been a handful, lots of England caps, a decent man. If his head is on straight.
The reason they want rid of him is he doesn't take training seriously and refuses to track back. We'd be doing Man U a MASSIVE favour taking him off their hands, even for a few months.
It will be interesting to see what shape he’s in and if that’s actually the case when you joins us
Since day 1 he hasn't been prepared to train properly for Amorim at the club he claims to love, so I wouldn't expect he's ready to start. It's his mental health I'd be more worried about, that and disrupting a very tight knit squad.
Between him and Felix and I'm no fan of Felix, I'd take Felix every day.
Well hardly surprising as you do favour anyone that’s Portuguese.
😉
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Ramsey, as much as I love him, has played 1,265 minutes this season. For comparison, Tielemans has played 2,744. We're in three competitions.
But yeah, fuck it. We'll be alright.
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This will be worse than coutinhio
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I do find it funny how people get very upset about where he’s going to play. If he comes and he does well enough to force himself into the starting line up that is very good for us.
Paul, the whole worry is that he plays on hope not merit.
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It's a sad day for the club. No longer are we loaning in players the calibre of Grant Holt.
/sadnessinmyeyes
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You just know that this one will happen. It’s so underwhelming!
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It's a sad day for the club. No longer are we loaning in players the calibre of Grant Holt.
/sadnessinmyeyes
Simon Dawkins will be spinning in his grave
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The clubs officially lost it.
What a absolutely terrible idea. This is going to be a expensive disaster. Thank god its only a loan
Blimey, this is really out of character Demi, you’re normally so measured and level.
Even a broken clock..
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I do find it funny how people get very upset about where he’s going to play. If he comes and he does well enough to force himself into the starting line up that is very good for us.
Paul, the whole worry is that he plays on hope not merit.
I understand that - but if people think that then I think they underrate our manager. It might not work, but if it does we have a brilliant player on our hands. It’s worth a shot.
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This will be worse than coutinhio
Jesus wept. He's a very very useful player. Give him a chance to show us what he can still do before you lay into him eh?
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Anyway, I'm leaving it. People are too emotional on this subject. I don't know why, but there we go.
Sit on your hands when he scores his first goal please. Thanks.
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This will be worse than coutinhio
Coutinho’s loan was fine.
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Fingers crossed Unai can work his magic. His ability suggests he should be a better option than Philogene. We just have to work on his attitude. Hopefully a change is as good as a rest for him.
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This will be worse than coutinhio
Coutinho was fucking great, the problem signing him outright not the loan.
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I do find it funny how people get very upset about where he’s going to play. If he comes and he does well enough to force himself into the starting line up that is very good for us.
Paul, the whole worry is that he plays on hope not merit.
I understand that - but if people think that then I think they underrate our manager. It might not work, but if it does we have a brilliant player on our hands. It’s worth a shot.
I hope so! There's no doubting the talent. But Emery does seem to fancy himself as an 'I can fix him' kind of guy (Duran, the Felix obsession), and nobody's immune to the odd blind spot.
I obviously hope to be digging into a big humble pie of the finest crow come the end of the season, but my instinct doesn't tell me this one works out.
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It's a sad day for the club. No longer are we loaning in players the calibre of Grant Holt.
/sadnessinmyeyes
Simon Dawkins will be spinning in his grave
Ally Samatta and Libor Kozak enter the chat
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I’m really not sure about this, but if anyone can get him playing well again it’s Emery. A very good player on his day, if he does rock up at Villa let’s hope it works out for all concerned.
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The clubs officially lost it.
What a absolutely terrible idea. This is going to be a expensive disaster. Thank god its only a loan
We can look forward to you slagging him off after he scores or creates his first goal for us.
Then we can look forward to you screaming to sign him permanently and then we he flops and comes for a pay day like coutinho then you will be moaning why did we sign him.
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The clubs officially lost it.
What a absolutely terrible idea. This is going to be a expensive disaster. Thank god its only a loan
Blimey, this is really out of character Demi, you’re normally so measured and level.
Even a broken clock..
You can amend you name to marcus cant fail once this move pays off
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I do find it funny how people get very upset about where he’s going to play. If he comes and he does well enough to force himself into the starting line up that is very good for us.
True, I just think people should not build up their expectations regarding Rashford. Best comparison I can think of is Gabby in the relegation season and even he didn't think he should be signing for Barcelona.
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Remember Rashford played central under Solskjaer, probably playing his best football at the time. I see it as temporary Duran cover until the summer and then evaluate the situation then when there's a better idea finance wise where we are.
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The clubs officially lost it.
What a absolutely terrible idea. This is going to be a expensive disaster. Thank god its only a loan
We can look forward to you slagging him off after he scores or creates his first goal for us.
Then we can look forward to you screaming to sign him permanently and then we he flops and comes for a pay day like coutinho then you will be moaning why did we sign him.
Eh ?
If we sign him permanently, it will be because he has proved himself and the club believes he can do a job.
Your ramblings are completely nonsensical.
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Sorry not sure about this one. If he can't put the effort in for his boyhood club why would he do it for us?
I trust Unai though so I'm probably wrong.
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Absolutely desperate move, but I guess it's where we are post Duran.
Really surprised that a lot of Villa fans are optimistic about Rashford given that Man U haven't been able to get a tune out him for the last couple of years.
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I suspect people will feel very different when he scores the winner in the Champions League final…
#fingerscrossed
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Rashford or Felix would be great. Ramsey might be put out by it but as much as I love him he should have no qualms as his injury record testifies.
When Rashford has played on the left for Manchester United and England, he's played as a wide forward. The role on the left that Ramsey and Rogers play isn't that kind of role, so I can't really see him fitting in there to be honest.
Unless we’ve decided that rather than playing with a right side winger Bailey we’ll be playing a left side one instead. I’m sure Unai will have some ideas on what he wants to do with him.
Maybe, but seeing that we've played with a right side winger since Emery has arrived then it would be quite a big change wouldn't it?
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The clubs officially lost it.
What a absolutely terrible idea. This is going to be a expensive disaster. Thank god its only a loan
We can look forward to you slagging him off after he scores or creates his first goal for us.
Then we can look forward to you screaming to sign him permanently and then we he flops and comes for a pay day like coutinho then you will be moaning why did we sign him.
What on earth are you talking about? We're taking a punt on a player who was playing for England and scored 30 goals two seasons ago. He has the ability to be great for us and if it doesn't work out he goes back. It's not something to be upset about really is it?
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I suspect people will feel very different when he scores the winner in the Champions League final…
#fingerscrossed
Well thats probably one good thing at least he has CL experience
I will gove rash a chance like any player but i can see this being a bad move. Its a loan so its only a small risk
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Absolutely desperate move, but I guess it's where we are post Duran.
Really surprised that a lot of Villa fans are optimistic about Rashford given that Man U haven't been able to get a tune out him for the last couple of years.
Desperate? I'm out of here. This thread is getting silly now.
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I read his wages were 300k at Man U. That can't be real.
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Where is Rushford supposed to play? Ramsey and Rogers are playing really well. Does he have bailys place? Where does Malen fit in? We don't need Rushford.
Malen will be on the right and interchangeable with Bailey
Emery wants Rogers at 10, as we all should. If Ramsey gets injured, who plays on the left right now? If Watkins gets injured, who plays up front? We're in the last 16 of the Champions League FFS.
We need a left sided attacker who can play up top. On short notice, Marcus Rashford is, qualitywise, easily the highest level we can get. People read too much into the mental stuff. A fresh start makes a difference.
I reckon if he'd left those school dinners alone he'd be having an easier time of things too.
Correct on all counts.
Except he's clearly not coming in to be cover. There's not a chance he comes to us other than with the expectation of starting. So who does he displace? You'd prefer him in the side to Ramsey?
It’ll take him three or four weeks to get match fit, so a sub initially. After that, it depends on form, fitness and our schedule. I’d hope, and doubt, he’s been promised a starting spot.
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Ramsey, as much as I love him, has played 1,265 minutes this season. For comparison, Tielemans has played 2,744. We're in three competitions.
But yeah, fuck it. We'll be alright.
Rogers and McGinn can both play where Ramsey plays, so we've got options in that area.
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As most transfers are completed in the summer this could well be a short term gap until then, hope it works out because he does have plenty of ability.
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I am struggling with the fact that having just moved a problem, we are about to replace him with what could be an even bigger problem.
Did we really need all the noise and baggage that comes with Rashford?
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Will it have a positive effect on ticket sales on the Elmdon to Belfast route?
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I am struggling with the fact that having just moved a problem, we are about to replace him with what could be an even bigger problem.
Did we really need all the noise and baggage that comes with Rashford?
I don’t know all of the nuances. What is the baggage ?
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I am struggling with the fact that having just moved a problem, we are about to replace him with what could be an even bigger problem.
Did we really need all the noise and baggage that comes with Rashford?
Yes, it was horrible having to deal with Durán smashing the ball in all the time, and we only managed to treble his value. Let's hope we never have a player who might put us through that sort of torture again.
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I read his wages were 300k at Man U. That can't be real.
£320k a week...signed the deal after the great season and went to shit after. That's never happened before.
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Is this an attempt to derail it by starting the thread too early?
Let’s hope so
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This has completely destroyed the feel good factor from reaching the last 16.
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Is this an attempt to derail it by starting the thread too early?
Let’s hope so
USA v Canada.
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This has completely destroyed the feel good factor from reaching the last 16.
This is tongue in cheek, yes ?
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This has completely destroyed the feel good factor from reaching the last 16.
Even winning the Champions League and the FA Cup wouldn’t wipe this pain away.
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My heart is broken too.
I tend to gage these things by what my soon to be 15 year old thinks. And he thinks its a really good signing. Thats good enough for me.
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I am struggling with the fact that having just moved a problem, we are about to replace him with what could be an even bigger problem.
Did we really need all the noise and baggage that comes with Rashford?
Yes, it was horrible having to deal with Durán smashing the ball in all the time, and we only managed to treble his value. Let's hope we never have a player who might put us through that sort of torture again.
As if I said I wanted Duran out, but his issues appear to be the reason why everyone is accepting of him leaving.
I have no idea if Rashford will be smashing the ball in.
Not sure if you are being serious or just an excuse to have a pop at me.
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If we are covering half his wages that will be about 150k a week. Bloody hell.
I bet he wont be fit for at least 2-3 weeks either
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This has completely destroyed the feel good factor from reaching the last 16.
This is tongue in cheek, yes ?
I’m sure it is and it won’t be long and it will be scooooooooorchio
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This has completely destroyed the feel good factor from reaching the last 16.
Even winning the Champions League and the FA Cup wouldn’t wipe this pain away.
I see we've already had to write off the title.
Ffs, Marcus. Children-feeding Commie twat.
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On the bad attitude front, Sancho is a good example of how Man U (and the media circus that goes with it) might be the problem, not the players. He was training with the kids, moved to Dortmund and was integral to getting them to the champions league final. Been solid at Chelsea too.
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I can definitely think of a bad attitude Man U player we signed who did alright.
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He just doesn’t fit our system at all, what is Unai’s plan here?
Can’t play the Ollie role, he’s no lone striker and doesn’t press enough.
Not disciplined enough for our wide roles.
Not technical enough as a ‘10’
He could work in a 4231 as the wide left forward. But that leaves Ramsey out as neither are as effective on the right.
Unai Emery is apparently keen on getting him in. That's all I need to know.
He was keen to get Philogene in too.
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Feels like worst case scenario is he replaces Duran as the moody child who annoys everyone but might occasionally put in a decent 20 minutes. Meaning we're no worse off really than we were.
Anything beyond that seems like an improvement, so how bad can it be?
(I'll bookmark this post myself just for future shaming)
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I dont want him at Villa but then I said the same thing about John Terry.
Same here: was dead against that to anyone who'd listened! I'll give him a chance like I gave John.
Not looking forward to the media circus , though!
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This has completely destroyed the feel good factor from reaching the last 16.
Even winning the Champions League and the FA Cup wouldn’t wipe this pain away.
I see we've already had to write off the title.
Ffs, Marcus. Children-feeding Commie twat.
Oh, I get it now.
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I can definitely think of a bad attitude Man U player we signed who did alright.
Djemba-Djemba didn't do alright.
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The last loan wasnt great either
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The clubs officially lost it.
What a absolutely terrible idea. This is going to be a expensive disaster. Thank god its only a loan
Blimey, this is really out of character Demi, you’re normally so measured and level.
Even a broken clock..
Not if the arms have fallen off and the numbers have faded away.
Anyway, on Rashford seems reasonable for a loan. Ideally we’re not covering all his wages. But if he’s good he’ll get time if he’s rubbish he won’t and we’ll send him back.
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I can definitely think of a bad attitude Man U player we signed who did alright.
Djemba-Djemba didn't do alright.
Bad attitude, not dress sense.
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We’re trying to sign a player on loan who has scored 87 prem goals in 287 games, and 17 goals in 60 games for England.
A bit of perspective ?
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The main downside, is IF he’s a success I doubt w’d be able to make the deal permanent. He’s not going to take a 50% haircut on his wages when his current deal lasts until 2028
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The main downside, is IF he’s a success I doubt w’d be able to make the deal permanent. He’s not going to take a 50% haircut on his wages when his current deal lasts until 2028
We might be able to trim a bit off the edges though.
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By spending all our money on him, will it leave us short at the back and sides?
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The main downside, is IF he’s a success I doubt w’d be able to make the deal permanent. He’s not going to take a 50% haircut on his wages when his current deal lasts until 2028
This is a good point, there is probably a sweet spot where we consider the loan successful, but not so successful his price and wage demands sky rocket.
If it goes badly, we know the cost now and go our separate ways in the summer. If it goes brilliantly, we might find ourselves thinking about him the way Stockport fans think about Louie Barry.
It would be a nice problem to have!
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The main downside, is IF he’s a success I doubt w’d be able to make the deal permanent. He’s not going to take a 50% haircut on his wages when his current deal lasts until 2028
We might be able to trim a bit off the edges though.
It doesn't strike me as completely impossible that we might just keep extending his loan every year, if that suits both parties.
Unless there is some rule against this that I don't know about.
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If we sign him you can perm any 3 from 5 in the starting 11.
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He just doesn’t fit our system at all, what is Unai’s plan here?
Can’t play the Ollie role, he’s no lone striker and doesn’t press enough.
Not disciplined enough for our wide roles.
Not technical enough as a ‘10’
He could work in a 4231 as the wide left forward. But that leaves Ramsey out as neither are as effective on the right.
Unai Emery is apparently keen on getting him in. That's all I need to know.
He was keen to get Philogene in too.
Yep and it didn't work out so we sold him for 20m which bankrolled the move for Malen. If Rashford doesn't work out he will be sent packing too. Wheeling and dealing taking risks that sometimes work out and sometimes don't is kind of how football works.
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We’re trying to sign a player on loan who has scored 87 prem goals in 287 games, and 17 goals in 60 games for England.
A bit of perspective ?
Agreed, but it's also a player of who, in the last week or so, his manager said that his attitude meant thst he would rather have the goalkeeping coach on the bench.
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The main downside, is IF he’s a success I doubt w’d be able to make the deal permanent. He’s not going to take a 50% haircut on his wages when his current deal lasts until 2028
We might be able to trim a bit off the edges though.
I doubt he's coming here just to be a fringe player.
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We’re trying to sign a player on loan who has scored 87 prem goals in 287 games, and 17 goals in 60 games for England.
A bit of perspective ?
Agreed, but it's also a player of who, in the last week or so, his manager said that his attitude meant thst he would rather have the goalkeeping coach on the bench.
We should have signed the goalkeeping coach.
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The main downside, is IF he’s a success I doubt w’d be able to make the deal permanent. He’s not going to take a 50% haircut on his wages when his current deal lasts until 2028
If its so successful that his price has skyrocketed, we've probably had a decent end to the season, and if we're back in the CL again, we can hopefully attract other high class players on lower wages.
If we have a bad end of season and somehow Rashford has been our best player to the point he's now wanted by all of Europe’s top teams, well it's probably not going to be our biggest problem over the summer.
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The main downside, is IF he’s a success I doubt w’d be able to make the deal permanent. He’s not going to take a 50% haircut on his wages when his current deal lasts until 2028
We might be able to trim a bit off the edges though.
I doubt he's coming here just to be a fringe player.
Not sure if it's a good move, I will have to mullet over.
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The main downside, is IF he’s a success I doubt w’d be able to make the deal permanent. He’s not going to take a 50% haircut on his wages when his current deal lasts until 2028
We might be able to trim a bit off the edges though.
I doubt he's coming here just to be a fringe player.
Not sure if it's a good move, I will have to mullet over.
It depends how much we have toupee.
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Absolutely desperate move, but I guess it's where we are post Duran.
Really surprised that a lot of Villa fans are optimistic about Rashford given that Man U haven't been able to get a tune out him for the last couple of years.
They’ve hardly got a tune out of any of their players for the last couple of years. They’re a basket case.
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It may or may not work out for us but I think some of the reactions verge on the hysterical.
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We’re trying to sign a player on loan who has scored 87 prem goals in 287 games, and 17 goals in 60 games for England.
A bit of perspective ?
Agreed, but it's also a player of who, in the last week or so, his manager said that his attitude meant thst he would rather have the goalkeeping coach on the bench.
We should have signed the goalkeeping coach.
So if his attitude is rubbish at Villa as well he won’t play.
The cost seems steep but I guess the devil is in the detail, do we pay a loan fee or just cover his salary ? 16 weeks at £325K is £5.2M, I’ve heard of loan fees being that much on their own.
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It may or may not work out for us but I think some of the reactions verge on the hysterical.
Yeh it’s a bit bizarre. I’m staying open minded on this because of the player he was less than two years ago. Clearly a lot has happened with him personally and professionally, let alone that mess of a club. But the upside is huge and we have a manager in place to get that from him. It’s not Paul Lambert is in charge where everything goes from bad to worse.
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We’re trying to sign a player on loan who has scored 87 prem goals in 287 games, and 17 goals in 60 games for England.
A bit of perspective ?
Agreed, but it's also a player of who, in the last week or so, his manager said that his attitude meant thst he would rather have the goalkeeping coach on the bench.
We should have signed the goalkeeping coach.
So if his attitude is rubbish at Villa as well he won’t play.
The cost seems steep but I guess the devil is in the detail, do we pay a loan fee or just cover his salary ? 16 weeks at £325K is £5.2M, I’ve heard of loan fees being that much on their own.
fair point. Furthermore you could arguably deduct Duran’s wages from the £5.2m to access the impact on our accounts.
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We’re trying to sign a player on loan who has scored 87 prem goals in 287 games, and 17 goals in 60 games for England.
A bit of perspective ?
Agreed, but it's also a player of who, in the last week or so, his manager said that his attitude meant thst he would rather have the goalkeeping coach on the bench.
We should have signed the goalkeeping coach.
So if his attitude is rubbish at Villa as well he won’t play.
The cost seems steep but I guess the devil is in the detail, do we pay a loan fee or just cover his salary ? 16 weeks at £325K is £5.2M, I’ve heard of loan fees being that much on their own.
Which means it will have been a complete waste of time and a very expensive one to boot.
I suppose there is a risk that might happen, but I would expect us to have done our homework on him if we are looking to bring him in. I can't imagine that Unai Emery won't have.
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I would prefer the little Argie fella.
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I would prefer the little Argie fella.
I think Ossie Ardiles has retired, mate.
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I’m looking forward to Rashford smashing a hat trick past the pricks at their place on the last day of the season confirming our place in the CL.
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The clubs officially lost it.
What a absolutely terrible idea. This is going to be a expensive disaster. Thank god its only a loan
Blimey, this is really out of character Demi, you’re normally so measured and level.
Even a broken clock..
Not if the arms have fallen off and the numbers have faded away.
Anyway, on Rashford seems reasonable for a loan. Ideally we’re not covering all his wages. But if he’s good he’ll get time if he’s rubbish he won’t and we’ll send him back.
Its a lose lose for us. If he flops he hasnt contributed anything and is a waste of money. Or he does significantly well where we sign him permanently then once he has his contract we get stuck with the rashford on a long contract with big wages.
Only way this is a winner is if he helps us win a trophy or he does brilliantly well and goes somewhere like barcelona in the summer 😂 the latter would be my favoured option!
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Good player when motivated. Better to get someone in now just in case the Watkins saga does actually happen.
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The main downside, is IF he’s a success I doubt w’d be able to make the deal permanent. He’s not going to take a 50% haircut on his wages when his current deal lasts until 2028
We might be able to trim a bit off the edges though.
I doubt he's coming here just to be a fringe player.
Of course not, he's a superstar.
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I’m looking forward to Rashford smashing a hat trick past the pricks at their place on the last day of the season confirming our place in the CL.
He'd be ineligible.
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Yessssss, TV has started a thread for Rashford.
May it rest with Loic Bade thread by Monday.
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I’m looking forward to Rashford smashing a hat trick past the pricks at their place on the last day of the season confirming our place in the CL.
He'd be ineligible.
Indeed.
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Good player when motivated. Better to get someone in now just in case the Watkins saga does actually happen.
There is no Watkins saga and it will not happen.
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If we were signing him on a permanent deal, I’d be worried.
On a loan? No brainer for me. He knew he has to prove his worth. And there must be a class player in there somewhere. Unai will sort him out
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I’m looking forward to Rashford smashing a hat trick past the pricks at their place on the last day of the season confirming our place in the CL.
He'd be ineligible.
Bollocks. I hate when rules and facts get in the way
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We’re trying to sign a player on loan who has scored 87 prem goals in 287 games, and 17 goals in 60 games for England.
A bit of perspective ?
Agreed, but it's also a player of who, in the last week or so, his manager said that his attitude meant thst he would rather have the goalkeeping coach on the bench.
We should have signed the goalkeeping coach.
So if his attitude is rubbish at Villa as well he won’t play.
The cost seems steep but I guess the devil is in the detail, do we pay a loan fee or just cover his salary ? 16 weeks at £325K is £5.2M, I’ve heard of loan fees being that much on their own.
21 weeks until June 30 is £6.825m.
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I assume all the heretics on here comparing this to the second coming will be offering themselves up for a good old stoning by the rest of us on the steps of the Holte if this comes to pass and then turns out to be another once-great player who flatters to deceive , has a few good matches and then disappears once a 5 year contract is signed.
Comparing him to God is just beyond belief. A few of you need to go to see your local priests and ask forgiveness.
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They’ve hardly got a tune out of any of their players for the last couple of years. They’re a basket case.
Even Antony hasn't played well for them.
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🚨🟣🔵 Marcus Rashford has agreed personal terms with Aston Villa! Deal imminent after initial green light in the morning.
Understand Villa and United are closing in on loan deal, discussing buy option clause.
Emery called Rashford, player attracted by project & UCL football.
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If it works it’ll be good….if it doesn’t work he’ll be getting 10 mins from the bench every week so about as much use as Buendia has been this season.
Wouldn’t have been my first choice but it’s relatively low risk to add another attacking option.
Now we do need a quality centre half
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Well if there was someone Id trust to make sure the deal is right, its UE.
But it looks a dogs breakfast to me.
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Welcome, Marcus. Score millions and win Champions League, please.
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The main downside, is IF he’s a success I doubt w’d be able to make the deal permanent. He’s not going to take a 50% haircut on his wages when his current deal lasts until 2028
We might be able to trim a bit off the edges though.
I doubt he's coming here just to be a fringe player.
Of course not, he's a superstar.
I'm trying hard to spot the pun here..
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If I take my hatred for anything to do with them out of it, if I ignore the rumours I have heard about his lifestyle and usual entourage (from a local guy in Wythenshawe who is big red fan) away from it. If I remove the horror of his loan deal, that it would "only" be 50% of his current £326k per week, would mean he is our biggest earner. And if I take away the distinct possibility his shit attitude rubs off on some of our younger players. Any of thier players will come with a chip on thier shoulder acting like they are doing us the favour.
Then with SUE there is a chance it might work. I still really hope we don't have to find out
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If it’s Unai that’s attracted him to it it doesn’t speak of a player who doesn’t give a toss about his game anymore.
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As an attacking option we could do with someone who has pace and control like he has to take the pressure off our backline. Healthy goal return for a wide forward as well.
But yowsers, with all the baggage, this feels like a risk we don't need.
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The main downside, is IF he’s a success I doubt w’d be able to make the deal permanent. He’s not going to take a 50% haircut on his wages when his current deal lasts until 2028
We might be able to trim a bit off the edges though.
I doubt he's coming here just to be a fringe player.
Of course not, he's a superstar.
I'm trying hard to spot the pun here..
Hopefully we don't dread his attitude.
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Not happy about it BUT you will get my backing as every villa player does when you put our wonderful shirt on
Hopefully you prove alot of us wrong and do the business. If you take the piss like you did at manure you wont be here very long and the fans wont accept it. Enjoy your time here
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Not happy about it BUT you will get my backing as every villa player does when you put our wonderful shirt on
Hopefully you prove alot of us wrong and do the business. If you take the piss like you did at manure you wont be here very long and the fans wont accept it. Enjoy your time here
Well backing until they misplace a pass or something Dem…(wink emoji)
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I can understand the reticence, we seem to have a fairly happy ship, its reported he doesnt train well and clearly is completely disinterested in tracking back when his team dont have the ball.
He'll come in as our highest paid player, with the above, I cant see this being good for morale.
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You'd like to think we've done the equivalent of a job interview with him before signing which would give us an idea of his attitude.
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You'd like to think we've done the equivalent of a job interview with him before signing which would give us an idea of his attitude.
It can't be as much research as I've done, i.e. watching a bunch of Man Utd fan videos on YouTube for the schadenfreude.
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The wages thing could be a weird reverse psychology thing. He's coming in with a bad reputation of late, and apparently getting paid probably twice as much as most of our squad, and they all know that. If it was me I'd feel very aware of that and want to prove I wasn't a waste of money. Its like a carrot AND a stick?
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But yowsers, with all the baggage, this feels like a risk we don't need.
So much baggage that Amorim refers to him as Imelda Marcus.
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Not happy about it BUT you will get my backing as every villa player does when you put our wonderful shirt on
Hopefully you prove alot of us wrong and do the business. If you take the piss like you did at manure you wont be here very long and the fans wont accept it. Enjoy your time here
Who are you talking to?
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Not happy about it BUT you will get my backing as every villa player does when you put our wonderful shirt on
Hopefully you prove alot of us wrong and do the business. If you take the piss like you did at manure you wont be here very long and the fans wont accept it. Enjoy your time here
Who are you talking to?
Rashford and Prince William share a log in.
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If he can’t motivate himself to play/train hard for his home town club on the wages he’s being paid I fail to see why it will be any different for him at Villa.
I’ve never really rated him anyway to be honest.
He only got capped because of the club he played for.
It’s a big no-no for me.
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You'd like to think we've done the equivalent of a job interview with him before signing which would give us an idea of his attitude.
It can't be as much research as I've done, i.e. watching a bunch of Man Utd fan videos on YouTube for the schadenfreude.
Are you ok Monty? I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I felt a little dirty and broken just posting videos of Rashford's goals.
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Not happy about it BUT you will get my backing as every villa player does when you put our wonderful shirt on
Hopefully you prove alot of us wrong and do the business. If you take the piss like you did at manure you wont be here very long and the fans wont accept it. Enjoy your time here
Who are you talking to?
And is he available for hire as a motivational speaker?
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To his credit, he was the one that said ‘I need a move’ so he clearly wants a different environment and headspace.
I also think Man U will have employed some dark arts to make his position uncomfortable so take some of the noise with a pinch of salt.
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I'm as fickle as the next fan and will hold the vomit down and support him if he is in our shirt.
Just wish I didn't have to and am very concerned for all the negatives already raised by many posters but more for the media circus that will follow.
Even if SUE turns him around and he performs it will all be about his return to them
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I have a I say, I'm a little surprised at the passion from those that don't agree with this deal. It seems like a pretty low risk, high ceiling kind of deal. We could do with some extra bodies in the squad at short notice - our first eleven is pretty solid (especially if Malen makes the right wing position his own) so what we need is a few players that can make an impact, and potentially challenge the players we have.
On his day, Rashford is world class. A brilliant finisher, strong and quick. He's been dreadful recently, so I hear, but I'm not sure anyone can be certain that this means he'll never get any form back. Sometimes players just need a move to rediscover something that's been missing a while.
I'm sure Unai won't take any nonsense, and if he proves to be trouble, we'll send him back at the end of the season. He'll know that if that happens, he probably won't get to play at a high level after his contract expires.
He seems like a decent bloke (is that controversial?). He'll know players like Tyrone and Ollie from England, and I'm sure they'll be excited about playing with him. They seem like decent blokes too, so they could be the kind of teammates he needs around him.
A loan with an option to buy seems like a really sensible deal, which could end up with us having a world class, very grateful and committed, player on our hands.
I should add, I don't know any Man United fans to tell me how awful he is. But, I have to say, the fact that they can't stand him does make me warm to him a bit more.
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I knew we would get our revenge one day when they took Dwight.
It's not the same is it!? Nope.
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Debatable whether this improves us or not, but it definitely improves utd. We have taken a financially crippling burden off them and allowed them to get in a new player that will improve them. I don't get why we have done this.
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🚨🧨 Marcus Rashford has said his goodbyes to his Manchester United teammates.
@MailSport
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Obviously wants to join a Cup winning club (57 and all that)
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To his credit, he was the one that said ‘I need a move’ so he clearly wants a different environment and headspace.
I also think Man U will have employed some dark arts to make his position uncomfortable so take some of the noise with a pinch of salt.
I agree, I think the club quite clearly wanted to push him out. How he reacted to that hasn't bene great but how he reacts in a new environment is a bit of an unknown. If he puts the effort in and makes the most of it he's easily capable of getting some goals between now and the summer and he'll definitely add some extra pace in our attack.
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I knew we would get our revenge one day when they took Dwight.
It's not the same is it!? Nope.
Never has a player broke my heart like he did when it happened.
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I have a I say, I'm a little surprised at the passion from those that don't agree with this deal. It seems like a pretty low risk, high ceiling kind of deal. We could do with some extra bodies in the squad at short notice - our first eleven is pretty solid (especially if Malen makes the right wing position his own) so what we need is a few players that can make an impact, and potentially challenge the players we have.
On his day, Rashford is world class. A brilliant finisher, strong and quick. He's been dreadful recently, so I hear, but I'm not sure anyone can be certain that this means he'll never get any form back. Sometimes players just need a move to rediscover something that's been missing a while.
I'm sure Unai won't take any nonsense, and if he proves to be trouble, we'll send him back at the end of the season. He'll know that if that happens, he probably won't get to play at a high level after his contract expires.
He seems like a decent bloke (is that controversial?). He'll know players like Tyrone and Ollie from England, and I'm sure they'll be excited about playing with him. They seem like decent blokes too, so they could be the kind of teammates he needs around him.
A loan with an option to buy seems like a really sensible deal, which could end up with us having a world class, very grateful and committed, player on our hands.
I should add, I don't know any Man United fans to tell me how awful he is. But, I have to say, the fact that they can't stand him does make me warm to him a bit more.
He's woke though mate, which renders all your logic and sound judgment completely pointless. He's woke. He campaigned to feed kids, which he didn't have to do, but chose to do to further woke ideology. And to feed hungry kids, but why does he care about hungry kids when I don't? Exactly.
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In Unai I (completely) trust.
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Not happy about it BUT you will get my backing as every villa player does when you put our wonderful shirt on
Hopefully you prove alot of us wrong and do the business. If you take the piss like you did at manure you wont be here very long and the fans wont accept it. Enjoy your time here
Well backing until they misplace a pass or something Dem…(wink emoji)
Haha. Dont worry ill back him as i do with every player. All i hope is he puts his heart into this we aint here as a club to have our time wasted
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This is unfolding like a bad dream and made worse by no sign of a CB on the horizon.
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I have a I say, I'm a little surprised at the passion from those that don't agree with this deal. It seems like a pretty low risk, high ceiling kind of deal. We could do with some extra bodies in the squad at short notice - our first eleven is pretty solid (especially if Malen makes the right wing position his own) so what we need is a few players that can make an impact, and potentially challenge the players we have.
On his day, Rashford is world class. A brilliant finisher, strong and quick. He's been dreadful recently, so I hear, but I'm not sure anyone can be certain that this means he'll never get any form back. Sometimes players just need a move to rediscover something that's been missing a while.
I'm sure Unai won't take any nonsense, and if he proves to be trouble, we'll send him back at the end of the season. He'll know that if that happens, he probably won't get to play at a high level after his contract expires.
He seems like a decent bloke (is that controversial?). He'll know players like Tyrone and Ollie from England, and I'm sure they'll be excited about playing with him. They seem like decent blokes too, so they could be the kind of teammates he needs around him.
A loan with an option to buy seems like a really sensible deal, which could end up with us having a world class, very grateful and committed, player on our hands.
I should add, I don't know any Man United fans to tell me how awful he is. But, I have to say, the fact that they can't stand him does make me warm to him a bit more.
He's woke though mate, which renders all your logic and sound judgment completely pointless. He's woke. He campaigned to feed kids, which he didn't have to do, but chose to do to further woke ideology. And to feed hungry kids, but why does he care about hungry kids when I don't? Exactly.
I very much doubt anyone would be bringing their politics into football.
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He also leaves those incredibly vulgar cars on double yellows with tickets all over them, because the laws we are subject to don't apply to rich lazy people like him. And he wears those stupid huge earphones. He'll need to grow on me.
I'm a football fan, I'm allowed, and even expected, to be completely unreasonable.
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I'm as fickle as the next fan and will hold the vomit down and support him if he is in our shirt.
Just wish I didn't have to and am very concerned for all the negatives already raised by many posters but more for the media circus that will follow.
Even if SUE turns him around and he performs it will all be about his return to them
if he performs we will surely exercise the buy clause that is in this deal. Fuck Man U at that point and whatever they might think. And speaking of vomit, I went on Red Cafe there is an underlying sense of concern that he will get back to somewhere near his best away from that disaster.
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I have a I say, I'm a little surprised at the passion from those that don't agree with this deal. It seems like a pretty low risk, high ceiling kind of deal. We could do with some extra bodies in the squad at short notice - our first eleven is pretty solid (especially if Malen makes the right wing position his own) so what we need is a few players that can make an impact, and potentially challenge the players we have.
On his day, Rashford is world class. A brilliant finisher, strong and quick. He's been dreadful recently, so I hear, but I'm not sure anyone can be certain that this means he'll never get any form back. Sometimes players just need a move to rediscover something that's been missing a while.
I'm sure Unai won't take any nonsense, and if he proves to be trouble, we'll send him back at the end of the season. He'll know that if that happens, he probably won't get to play at a high level after his contract expires.
He seems like a decent bloke (is that controversial?). He'll know players like Tyrone and Ollie from England, and I'm sure they'll be excited about playing with him. They seem like decent blokes too, so they could be the kind of teammates he needs around him.
A loan with an option to buy seems like a really sensible deal, which could end up with us having a world class, very grateful and committed, player on our hands.
I should add, I don't know any Man United fans to tell me how awful he is. But, I have to say, the fact that they can't stand him does make me warm to him a bit more.
He's woke though mate, which renders all your logic and sound judgment completely pointless. He's woke. He campaigned to feed kids, which he didn't have to do, but chose to do to further woke ideology. And to feed hungry kids, but why does he care about hungry kids when I don't? Exactly.
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.
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I have a I say, I'm a little surprised at the passion from those that don't agree with this deal. It seems like a pretty low risk, high ceiling kind of deal. We could do with some extra bodies in the squad at short notice - our first eleven is pretty solid (especially if Malen makes the right wing position his own) so what we need is a few players that can make an impact, and potentially challenge the players we have.
On his day, Rashford is world class. A brilliant finisher, strong and quick. He's been dreadful recently, so I hear, but I'm not sure anyone can be certain that this means he'll never get any form back. Sometimes players just need a move to rediscover something that's been missing a while.
I'm sure Unai won't take any nonsense, and if he proves to be trouble, we'll send him back at the end of the season. He'll know that if that happens, he probably won't get to play at a high level after his contract expires.
He seems like a decent bloke (is that controversial?). He'll know players like Tyrone and Ollie from England, and I'm sure they'll be excited about playing with him. They seem like decent blokes too, so they could be the kind of teammates he needs around him.
A loan with an option to buy seems like a really sensible deal, which could end up with us having a world class, very grateful and committed, player on our hands.
I should add, I don't know any Man United fans to tell me how awful he is. But, I have to say, the fact that they can't stand him does make me warm to him a bit more.
He's woke though mate, which renders all your logic and sound judgment completely pointless. He's woke. He campaigned to feed kids, which he didn't have to do, but chose to do to further woke ideology. And to feed hungry kids, but why does he care about hungry kids when I don't? Exactly.
I very much doubt anyone would be bringing their politics into football.
Yep, people aren't subconsciously biased in decision making to suit their own core beliefs. They don't react with emotionally when these beliefs are compromised...and they're absolutely NOT susceptible to having those opinions manipulated by the press.
Everyone's too smart for that.
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You'd like to think we've done the equivalent of a job interview with him before signing which would give us an idea of his attitude.
It can't be as much research as I've done, i.e. watching a bunch of Man Utd fan videos on YouTube for the schadenfreude.
Are you ok Monty? I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I felt a little dirty and broken just posting videos of Rashford's goals.
Trust me, disgruntled Man Utd fans gruntles you like a tonic for the soul.
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Woke ?
I dont think anyone has mentioned anything about that. Just utter nonsense and not related to why some fans myself included are not keen on him coning here
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Generally speaking, the political leanings of those most against him are in fact known, and aren't surprising in the least.
As are, I should say, those of his biggest supporters.
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Woke ?
I dont think anyone has mentioned anything about that.
They wouldn't, would they?
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You'd like to think we've done the equivalent of a job interview with him before signing which would give us an idea of his attitude.
It can't be as much research as I've done, i.e. watching a bunch of Man Utd fan videos on YouTube for the schadenfreude.
Are you ok Monty? I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I felt a little dirty and broken just posting videos of Rashford's goals.
Trust me, disgruntled Man Utd fans gruntles you like a tonic for the soul.
Nothing would make me happier than their misery injected into my veins should Rashford prove to be everything they fear he could be.
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Probably about right monty. But its not a factor for me more about his attitude and application on the pitch. If he wasnt on such high wages i wouldnt be as bothered.
It does also worry me how long is it going to take him to get fit as hw hasnt played much football for a while
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx2pypyj2g7o
Look at this embedded video.
As a club, what the fuck are we doing ?
Unai needs his bumps feeling.
Monchi is donkey and the owners have pissed on us from a great height.
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a decent man. If his head is on straight.
This is it. Is he a decent man or is he a lazy arse?
As far as football goes he really looks like a lazy arse.
I'm not arsed if we win The Socially-Conscious Cup.
Why am I not surprised.
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Probably about right monty. But its not a factor for me more about his attitude and application on the pitch. If he wasnt on such high wages i wouldnt be as bothered.
It does also worry me how long is it going to take him to get fit as hw hasnt played much football for a while
Well, if you personally are having to pay him, then I understand your deep concerns about his wages.
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I'm quite positive about this. Since when have Villa fans listened to the manure driven media or gloryhunters? A struggling manager (ten hag) scapegoated Rashford, in an attempt to save his own skin. Amorim is no different, showing weakness already and trying to play billy big bollox like gerrrrard attempted to do with Tyrone.
Rashford may have his issues, but so did McGrath and look at the legend he became.
I have faith in Unai and he will attempt to get the best out of Rashford. A loan deal initially is a no-brainer!
The guy scores goals (I was surprised to learn that he's scored 68 right footed pl goals, even though he seems to have played on the left side most of his career). I feel sure he can play across the front line. He provides assists, so that's an improvement already on the guy who has left for non-league football. He will know that if he performs Unai will help get him back onto the international stage. He has great experience playing in Europe and the world stage and contributing goals. He has pace (something we've been crying out for). He has 4 months to prove himself, despite his record when firing on all cylinders. I can only see positives and I'm certainly prepared to back him fully.
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Yeah I'm worried about these things too, and more sceptical of this signing than basically any other yet made under Unai Emery (I'm not 'sceptical' exactly about Dobbin, as I don't think there's any secret what that was about). Just some of the quite mad reactions have made me wonder if I shouldn't be more cautious when predicting his Villa fate!
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One question about Villa signing Rashford.
If he wanted out from Mancland was well known and the fact that Amorim didn't fancy him was an open secret, then why has it taken us 32 days into the transfer window to complete a deal?
4 weeks wasted in terms of bringing him up to our levels and integrating him into the team?
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My main beef is with those comparing him to God. The only player in our current squad fit to lace Gods boots is Tyrone Mings, a player who was sidelined at his club and has turned out to be a player who has battled through his own issues and a leader in the squad.
Rashford is probably comparable to Dwight Yorke, prodigiously gifted but hasn't always used his talents. Yes he's done good outside football but last time I checked we weren't looking for Mother Teresa to play off Ollie.
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Basically. People are basing their “bad attitude” arguments on tabloid newspaper nonsense.
This is why we had Brexit.
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I'm quite positive about this. Since when have Villa fans listened to the manure driven media or gloryhunters? A struggling manager (ten hag) scapegoated Rashford, in an attempt to save his own skin. Amorim is no different, showing weakness already and trying to play billy big bollox like gerrrrard attempted to do with Tyrone.
Rashford may have his issues, but so did McGrath and look at the legend he became.
I have faith in Unai and he will attempt to get the best out of Rashford. A loan deal initially is a no-brainer!
The guy scores goals (I was surprised to learn that he's scored 68 right footed pl goals, even though he seems to have played on the left side most of his career). I feel sure he can play across the front line. He provides assists, so that's an improvement already on the guy who has left for non-league football. He will know that if he performs Unai will help get him back onto the international stage. He has great experience playing in Europe and the world stage and contributing goals. He has pace (something we've been crying out for). He has 4 months to prove himself, despite his record when firing on all cylinders. I can only see positives and I'm certainly prepared to back him fully.
100 % nailed it
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One question about Villa signing Rashford.
If he wanted out from Mancland was well known and the fact that Amorim didn't fancy him was an open secret, then why has it taken us 32 days into the transfer window to complete a deal?
4 weeks wasted in terms of bringing him up to our levels and integrating him into the team?
Maybe Barcelona spent three and a bit weeks messing him about?
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One question about Villa signing Rashford.
If he wanted out from Mancland was well known and the fact that Amorim didn't fancy him was an open secret, then why has it taken us 32 days into the transfer window to complete a deal?
4 weeks wasted in terms of bringing him up to our levels and integrating him into the team?
We didn’t need him while Duran was here and he’s been looking for a move to Europe.
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His talent is unquestionable. His attitude isn't and that's why they're letting him go. I trust Unai to get the best out of him. Imagine how pissed off Yanited fans will be if Unai can make him great again. That would be wonderful.
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Probably about right monty. But its not a factor for me more about his attitude and application on the pitch. If he wasnt on such high wages i wouldnt be as bothered.
It does also worry me how long is it going to take him to get fit as hw hasnt played much football for a while
Well, if you personally are having to pay him, then I understand your deep concerns about his wages.
We are fast closing in on £100 tickets, we are paying for this. Cant see why its particularly notable that people are talking about the financials of this deal.
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Basically. People are basing their “bad attitude” arguments on tabloid newspaper nonsense.
This is why we had Brexit.
They're actually based on the recent comments by his current coach.
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Probably about right monty. But its not a factor for me more about his attitude and application on the pitch. If he wasnt on such high wages i wouldnt be as bothered.
It does also worry me how long is it going to take him to get fit as hw hasnt played much football for a while
Well, if you personally are having to pay him, then I understand your deep concerns about his wages.
We are fast closing in on £100 tickets, we are paying for this. Cant see why its particularly notable that people are talking about the financials of this deal.
We are paying those prices before Rashford signs.
His salary is not our concern. That’s for the club to worry about.
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One question about Villa signing Rashford.
If he wanted out from Mancland was well known and the fact that Amorim didn't fancy him was an open secret, then why has it taken us 32 days into the transfer window to complete a deal?
4 weeks wasted in terms of bringing him up to our levels and integrating him into the team?
Maybe Barcelona spent three and a bit weeks messing him about?
We also needed space in the squad and bank account, which only happened once Duran left.
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Basically. People are basing their “bad attitude” arguments on tabloid newspaper nonsense.
This is why we had Brexit.
They're actually based on the recent comments by his current coach.
Who just reads tabloid nonsense!!
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Dont agree at all, Coutinhos salary is still having an impact.
Next stop is 'if you want to watch world class talent like Rashford, you have to pay £150 to watch from the North Stand car park.
Pretty natural to question if bringing in a player better paid than all current ones, with a seeming aversion to working for it, could be a mistake. And a big one at that.
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🚨💣 Aston Villa have agreed to pay a loan fee & will cover the majority of Marcus Rashford's £325,000 weekly salary — they also have an option to buy in the summer.
@samuelluckhurst
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🚨💣 Aston Villa have agreed to pay a loan fee & will cover the majority of Marcus Rashford's £325,000 weekly salary — they also have an option to buy in the summer.
@samuelluckhurst
Loan fee is pretty shitty but it solves a problem and I doubt the whole package is more than £10m.
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Probably about right monty. But its not a factor for me more about his attitude and application on the pitch. If he wasnt on such high wages i wouldnt be as bothered.
It does also worry me how long is it going to take him to get fit as hw hasnt played much football for a while
Well, if you personally are having to pay him, then I understand your deep concerns about his wages.
The clubs rumoured to be paying half of his wages whoch will be 175k a week. We are all paying some of his wages as the money we spend goes to the club. But thats irrelevant. We can have a opinion if we feel the money spent doesnt represent good value.
Would have rather seen felix or tel than rashford in all honesty
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Basically. People are basing their “bad attitude” arguments on tabloid newspaper nonsense.
This is why we had Brexit.
They're actually based on the recent comments by his current coach.
And we're going to take that on face value? Do you know Amorim personally? What's he like? Is he honest?
Ulterior motives:
- Doesn't play a formation with Rashford's position
- Wants to lay down the law in front of a possibly disengaged squad with a scapegoat (someone mentioned Gerrard and Mings...really good example. Who do we all feel was in the right there?)
- Alleged FFP restraints...320kpw goes pretty far
I'm a manager, as many of us will be, and found those comments pretty startling. I definitely wouldn't take them at face value. He's already proven he'll make flamboyant statements based away from fact with the "worst team in history" quote (they aren't).
Let's just see how he does before throwing 17 pages of batshit nonsense together. Properly mental thread. All a bit embarrassing.
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This is a terrible deal for AVFC.
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This is a terrible deal for AVFC.
Hi there in the future, do we have hoverboards and have the ants taken over, yet?
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A terrible business deal for us. Fantastic deal for MUFC and of course Rashford himself.
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This is a terrible deal for AVFC.
If we paid £75M for him you're probably right. But on loan...nah.
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Telling that we picked Zych and not Rashford on the bench today. Very telling indeed.
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This is a terrible deal for AVFC.
If we paid £75M for him you're probably right. But on loan...nah.
Yep
That’s the big difference for me as well
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I'm not sure how much of his wages we are picking up, 50% maximum I'd hope . Do feel the money might have been more wisely invested.
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Basically. People are basing their “bad attitude” arguments on tabloid newspaper nonsense.
This is why we had Brexit.
They're actually based on the recent comments by his current coach.
And the one before him. And Jose Mourinho after his time there. Let's hope he can re-ignite his career with us if he comes.
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This is a terrible deal for AVFC.
*Throws self out window*
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Unai will get a tune out of him.
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Debatable whether this improves us or not, but it definitely improves utd. We have taken a financially crippling burden off them and allowed them to get in a new player that will improve them. I don't get why we have done this.
There's so much wrong at Man Utd, I highly doubt removing Rashford is going to have them racing up the table.
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This is a terrible deal for AVFC.
Hi there in the future, do we have hoverboards and have the ants taken over, yet?
When he missed the crucial penalty in our Champions league final penalty shoot out ......facepalm
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If he can’t motivate himself to play/train hard for his home town club on the wages he’s being paid I fail to see why it will be any different for him at Villa.
I’ve never really rated him anyway to be honest.
He only got capped because of the club he played for.
It’s a big no-no for me.
Massive no from me too.
If you can ignore his blatant lack of professionalism during his career, and it's impossible to, it's an odd fit for footballing reasons.
We play a narrow midfield four and a 10 off Watkins. Rashford doesn't fit any position there. Backup to Watkins - no he is a dreadful player with his back to goal. In recent seasons for his hometown club he hasnt tried a leg either up front or on right wing. We don't play 433 where we could keep him high up on the left.
We have lacked raw pace in the squad since Diaby left. If Emery, in light of our defensive issues for some time, decides to change our shape out of possession to sitting deep and countering quickly, then Rashford could be an asset on left. Like he was for a season under OGS & ETH.
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Woke ?
I dont think anyone has mentioned anything about that. Just utter nonsense and not related to why some fans myself included are not keen on him coning here
Anyone know cone-tract details?
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Basically. People are basing their “bad attitude” arguments on tabloid newspaper nonsense.
This is why we had Brexit.
They're actually based on the recent comments by his current coach.
And the one before him. And Jose Mourinho after his time there. Let's hope he can re-ignite his career with us if he comes.
I'm a card carrying member of the wokerati, but I've seen him really, really not put a shift in on the pitch quite a few times. That's nothing to do with any press speculation.
Hopefully he feels like he has something to prove and can turn his reputation around.
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🚨💣 Aston Villa have agreed to pay a loan fee & will cover the majority of Marcus Rashford's £325,000 weekly salary — they also have an option to buy in the summer.
@samuelluckhurst
Loan fee is pretty shitty but it solves a problem and I doubt the whole package is more than £10m.
As per the MEN reporter who, I expect, will be happy to trot out whatever United brief him to say, knowing it cannot be corrected as it is speculation and it is what his (largely) Manchester-based audience will want to hear, i.e., "we're getting rid of a wrong 'un and the Brummies are paying over the odds". UTV
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Manchester United are a shitshow. Utterly toxic at the moment. If Unai thinks he can get a tune out of Rashford, then I’d go with that.
Comes across as a good sort, so I can perfectly well believe the problem is the environment and not the person.
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When I think of Unai Emery tapping his head and talking about mentality, I don’t think of Marcus Rashford.
As SaddVillian had posted earlier, if we wanted the player, we could have got him 28 days ago. This strikes me as a move of desperation, born out of a failure to land our preferred targets…not for the first time with Monchi leading on the dealings.
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Massive gamble by Emery here. If this backfires it will undo a lot of the good work he's done.
I think that's an exaggeration.
Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho, Solskjaer, Ten Hag and Amiron have all had problems with him. He's very much in the Gabby Agbonlahor mode - the poster boy for their decline. Emery has built a brilliant team spirit here - do we really need this in the dressing room?
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When I think of Unai Emery tapping his head and talking about mentality, I don’t think of Marcus Rashford.
As SaddVillian had posted earlier, if we wanted the player, we could have got him 28 days ago. This strikes me as a move of desperation, born out of a failure to land our preferred targets…not for the first time with Monchi leading on the dealings.
We couldn’t afford the wages 28 days ago.
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When I think of Unai Emery tapping his head and talking about mentality, I don’t think of Marcus Rashford.
As SaddVillian had posted earlier, if we wanted the player, we could have got him 28 days ago. This strikes me as a move of desperation, born out of a failure to land our preferred targets…not for the first time with Monchi leading on the dealings.
Hardly had the funds to make it happen until Duran and Buendia left. But agreed, there was no way Rashford was top of any list at start of the month.
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Could simply be a case of 28 days ago he was 3rd or 4th on our wants list. Others didn't happen so he's moved up the list.
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Great for us, great for him. If and when it works out, there's no turning back.
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When I think of Unai Emery tapping his head and talking about mentality, I don’t think of Marcus Rashford.
As SaddVillian had posted earlier, if we wanted the player, we could have got him 28 days ago. This strikes me as a move of desperation, born out of a failure to land our preferred targets…not for the first time with Monchi leading on the dealings.
Hardly had the funds to make it happen until Duran and Buendia left. But agreed, there was no way Rashford was top of any list at start of the month.
Yeah, well we had 2 strikers at the start of the month, both who were - or considered themselves to be - a starter. Loaning him at that point would’ve been mental.
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When I think of Unai Emery tapping his head and talking about mentality, I don’t think of Marcus Rashford.
As SaddVillian had posted earlier, if we wanted the player, we could have got him 28 days ago. This strikes me as a move of desperation, born out of a failure to land our preferred targets…not for the first time with Monchi leading on the dealings.
We couldn’t afford the wages 28 days ago.
With the champions league money we likely could.
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When I think of Unai Emery tapping his head and talking about mentality, I don’t think of Marcus Rashford.
As SaddVillian had posted earlier, if we wanted the player, we could have got him 28 days ago. This strikes me as a move of desperation, born out of a failure to land our preferred targets…not for the first time with Monchi leading on the dealings.
Hardly had the funds to make it happen until Duran and Buendia left. But agreed, there was no way Rashford was top of any list at start of the month.
Champions league dosh we probably could.
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In the last 28 days we've banked approx £80m and are a striker down. Things and main targets can change.
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Earlier in the month he was rumoured to be deciding between Barcelona, Napoli, Juventus and Dortmund.
Maybe we weren't his first choice more than he wasn't ours.
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a decent man. If his head is on straight.
This is it. Is he a decent man or is he a lazy arse?
As far as football goes he really looks like a lazy arse.
I'm not arsed if we win The Socially-Conscious Cup.
Why am I not surprised.
Presumably you missed when he was left out of the squad for turning up late for training.
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I’ve seen the future and a few of the poster that are spitting feather right now are going to apoplectic when Rashford moves to Barcelona this summer having scored ten goals, won us the FA Cup and helped secure fourth place.
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I’ve seen the future and a few of the poster that are spitting feather right now are going to apoplectic when Rashford moves to Barcelona this summer having scored ten goals, won us the FA Cup and helped secure fourth place.
That we didn't win the CL as well shows what a disaster his signing will be.
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Woke ?
I dont think anyone has mentioned anything about that. Just utter nonsense and not related to why some fans myself included are not keen on him coning here
Anyone know cone-tract details?
Lol good one percy. I walked right into that
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Paying his 325k per week wages in full is madness.
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Another thing - Di Maria, Depay, Sanchez, Sancho, Greenwood*, Mkhitarian.
The list of supposedly washed-up, useless wingers to leave Man Utd only to be anywhere between decent and brilliant not long after they left is...sizeable.
*was reluctant to include him for obvious reasons, but still.
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Paying his 325k per week wages in full is madness.
We aint that stupid surely
It will be half at most i think
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Paying his 325k per week wages in full is madness.
We aint that stupid surely
It will be half at most i think
I believe we have agreed to double his wages along with loan fee. Also he will be manager and NSWE have agreed to sell the team to him for a quid.
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youri is flat too
playing those crap tippy tappy passes
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youri is flat too
playing those crap tippy tappy passes
Rashford's negative attitude already infecting our players!
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I am sorry but all these links to attackers when defence should have been the number one priority.
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Unai will get a tune out of him.
cant get a tune out of no one in this match so far :)
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Unai will get a tune out of him.
cant get a tune out of no one in this match so far :)
It's a dull fart so far.
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I wouldn’t mind Rashford at the club. Worth the risk. He could be the difference in a champions league game or fa cup final etc.
However, Man U want to get rid. He won’t play for their new manager. No other team seems interested or can afford, so we should be driving a hard bargain… not paying over half his wages etc
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I wouldn’t mind Rashford at the club. Worth the risk. He could be the difference in a champions league game or fa cup final etc.
However, Man U want to get rid. He won’t play for their new manager. No other team seems interested or can afford, so we should be driving a hard bargain… not paying over half his wages etc
Agree with this, I understand the resistance towards him, however, this player only a few short seasons ago was rated World Class, you couldn't buy him, for me this is a classic example of a players head gone, as the club has gone into decline he's followed, if Villa can get him anywhere near the threat he once carried, and he's still young, we will do very well with him on board, carries a huge threat, years ago every time we played Man U he was the first one I looked for on the opposition team sheet, get him in, if it works all the other histrionics will fade if we can get him back on track.
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Don't think it's a big deal as a loan and certainly not high risk. He could be brilliant and if not we send him back.
Finger's-crossed he replicates Jesse Lingard's success at West Ham.
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In tomorrow's Observer
Marcus Rashford due for Aston Villa medical to seal Manchester United loan
Aston Villa are close to agreeing a deal to take Marcus Rashford on loan for the rest of the season, with Unai Emery driving the move to sign the out-of-favour Manchester United forward.
Villa have been exploring the market in that position after the departure of Jhon Durán, with Matheus Cunha, João Félix, Marco Asensio and Mathys Tel among the options considered. The club regard Rashford as a low-risk signing given they are unlikely to pay a fee. The England international is due to have a medical on Sunday.
Villa are discussing potentially including an option to buy Rashford in the summer if the move proves fruitful. The 27-year-old has been frozen out by Ruben Amorim at United, and has not made an appearance since 12 December, but a move to Villa would allow him to play in the Champions League and push for the top four.
The West Midands club have agreed to cover a significant portion of Rashford’s £365,000-a-week wages. Their highest earner is thought to be the goalkeeper Emiliano Martínez, at about £200,000 a week.
Rashford had been keen on a move to Barcelona but barring a late twist he will be confirmed as a Villa play before the window shuts at 11pm GMT on Monday. If he joins, Villa are expected to try to bring in a younger forward too. They are also targeting a central defender, with Chelsea’s Axel Disasi still an option.
Emery is an admirer of versatile players and Rashford’s experience playing centrally as a striker and on the flanks appeals to the Villa manager. Villa signed Donyell Malen, who can also play across the front line, from Borussia Dortmund last month. Emery believes he can work with Rashford and help him recapture his best form.
The United forward has scored seven times this season, most recently a double at home to Everton at the start of December. Since his 30 goals in the 2022-23 campaign, his numbers have dropped off significantly. Rashford would link up at Villa with his England colleague Ollie Watkins, who is said by Emery to be happy to stay after Arsenal had a bid for the striker rejected. “Some players prefer to leave and some players accept to stay here, to be here and commit with us,” Emery said. “One of those is Ollie Watkins.”
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Quite a few comments on here worrying about the media circus that comes with Rashford. I think you will find that there is a lot more media talk if he's 5 minutes late for training at mighty Man U than if he scored a hat trick for little old Aston Villa.
I think it will be good for him to be taken away from the constant glare associated with the Old Trafford soap opera. Rashford, Emery and his staff can then quietly get to work at Bodymoor Heath.
It's a yes from me.
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Another thing - Di Maria, Depay, Sanchez, Sancho, Greenwood*, Mkhitarian.
The list of supposedly washed-up, useless wingers to leave Man Utd only to be anywhere between decent and brilliant not long after they left is...sizeable.
*was reluctant to include him for obvious reasons, but still.
Lingard for half a season loan......
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I'm not happy about this at all but once he's playing for us I hope he's great
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Interesting to see that article suggest we're not paying a loan fee. So covering most if not all of his wages is probably financially not a bad deal?
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I like rashford and think he will do well with us
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Being suggested the buy price would be in the region of £45m.
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Being suggested the buy price would be in the region of £45m.
Which seems ok if he has a barnstorming 20 games with us between now and the end of May.
But he'll presumably still want as close to his current £325k a week if he joins us permanently. We'd be mad to pay that. We're still paying Coutinho c£150k a week til June 2026.
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Being suggested the buy price would be in the region of £45m.
Which seems ok if he has a barnstorming 20 games with us between now and the end of May.
But he'll presumably still want as close to his current £325k a week if he joins us permanently. We'd be mad to pay that. We're still paying Coutinho c£150k a week til June 2026.
Who also had a barnstorming loan with us, resulting in him joining us permanently.
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🚨🧨 Marcus Rashford is due to have a medical at Aston Villa today — buy option is £40m, with Villa paying 70% of his wages.
@TomCollomosse
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70% seems a bit high tbh, would have preferred 50%.
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What’s that? Nearly £250k a week we’ll be paying?
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What’s that? Nearly £250k a week we’ll be paying?
£227,500
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70% seems a bit high tbh, would have preferred 50%.
I can't be arsed to do the maths while drinking but I'd imagine 70% of the salary plus no loan fee isn't that different to 50% of the salary plus a few million loan fee, as was previously speculated.
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70% seems a bit high tbh, would have preferred 50%.
I can't be arsed to do the maths while drinking but I'd imagine 70% of the salary plus no loan fee isn't that different to 50% of the salary plus a few million loan fee, as was previously speculated.
Given the acrimony with Amorim, we shouldn't have had to pay a loan fee even if we were only covering 50% of his wages.
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They should be paying us to take him.
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Sure, if we were the only bidder. But that doesn't seem to have been the case.
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70% seems a bit high tbh, would have preferred 50%.
I can't be arsed to do the maths while drinking but I'd imagine 70% of the salary plus no loan fee isn't that different to 50% of the salary plus a few million loan fee, as was previously speculated.
70% is only around £1m more than 50% for the rest of this season so it sounds better.
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Beaten by Double Denim Dogheads and then signing this has been. Great weekend.
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They should be paying us to take him.
This ^^^
Its going to take at least 3-4 weeks for him to get fit as well
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They should be paying us to take him.
This ^^^
Its going to take at least 3-4 weeks for him to get fit as well
Not fussed by this, arguably a positive. He’ll be phased in as a sub and then only selected on merit or if injuries dictate. Going straight into the side would justifiably annoy Ramsey or Watkins.
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Depends how injured Ollie is, we might need him to be ready pretty quick.
Scores the winner against Spurs in the cup, worth the fee.
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Tap-in merchant follows up Ornstein
Marcus Rashford to Aston Villa, here we go!
Agreement in place on loan deal with over 70% salary covered by Villa.
Buy option clause worth £40m also included in contract with potential three year and half deal to follow.
Medical booked today.
Guess one thing that is interesting about the "buy option clause" is that we have clearly worked out a situation that we / he / they are happy with regarding the rest of his Man Utd salary if we decide to push ahead with the permanent deal.
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Tap-in merchant follows up Ornstein
Marcus Rashford to Aston Villa, here we go!
Agreement in place on loan deal with over 70% salary covered by Villa.
Buy option clause worth £40m also included in contract with potential three year and half deal to follow.
Medical booked today.
Guess one thing that is interesting about the "buy option clause" is that we have clearly worked out a situation that we / he / they are happy with regarding the rest of his Man Utd salary if we decide to push ahead with the permanent deal.
If he does come and finds his form again, £40m could look like a steal.
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Will we have agreed his wages for the scenario where we end up signing him? Yes £40m is in theory cheap if he does well, but surely we aren't going to pay him 300k a week.
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Depends how injured Ollie is, we might need him to be ready pretty quick.
Scores the winner against Spurs in the cup, worth the fee.
The kind of logic that has us still paying Coutinho's pension.
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In the scenario where he is a success and we want to sign him up.
I might be being ridiculously naive, but negotiating with a man who seems to have a moral compass, might be easier than others we have dealt with.
If he turns down £20K a week and an Austin Montego then I know he’s not quite the socialist hero I thought he was.
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A cut on his weekly wage but a lot of bonus options thrown in could be an choice. He's still got the opportunity to make the same money, but we'll be reaping the rewards if we actually have to pay all of it to him.
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In the scenario where he is a success and we want to sign him up.
I might be being ridiculously naive, but negotiating with a man who seems to have a moral compass, might be easier than others we have dealt with.
If he turns down £20K a week and an Austin Montego then I know he’s not quite the socialist hero I thought he was.
Moral compass? Not sure his recent conduct reflects that exactly.
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I don’t think turning up late for training is a moral issue.
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Indeed, it might be a morale issue but it’s not moral.
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What’s that Marcus, you’ve been feeding thousands of hungry kids? That’s great and all that, but have you been putting 110% into football training?
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If he turns down £20K a week and an Austin Montego then I know he’s not quite the socialist hero I thought he was.
He should forego the Montego, all property is theft.
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I don’t think he’s ever claimed to be a socialist.
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They should be paying us to take him.
This ^^^
Its going to take at least 3-4 weeks for him to get fit as well
Not fussed by this, arguably a positive. He’ll be phased in as a sub and then only selected on merit or if injuries dictate. Going straight into the side would justifiably annoy Ramsey or Watkins.
If we didnt have injuries or this was in the summer giving him more time to get fit wouldnt be so bad. But we need players now esp now ollie looks injured.
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Medical complete
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They should be paying us to take him.
This ^^^
Its going to take at least 3-4 weeks for him to get fit as well
Any novelty he might feel about the move will soon get tested when he's spending most of the day sitting on the M6.
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There is nothing about this deal that benefits Villa. Rashford is a washed up player. Their version of Jack Grealish. He will be our new Micah Richards. Bleeding us dry until he crawls back to them at the end of this season. As above, he will hate the commute. If he was late for their training, he will be absent from ours completely. He will not relocate from Manchester just for a short loan period. He will not want to commit the time to Uni's legendary video sessions. The biggest disaster is the wages we are paying him and a loan fee for taking him off their wage bill. This is utter madness.
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If we'd signed Marcus Rashford on loan 3 or four years ago we'd have all had a hard-on for the idea, now there are understandable questions about his attitude people aint so keen. He obviously still wants to play and coming to VP isnt the worst he could have done so the rest is up to him. I'd love to know who is really behind this move and is UE really that keen because this just doesnt seem to be his type of deal. Time - and the goals scored column - will tell.
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There is nothing about this deal that benefits Villa. Rashford is a washed up player. Their version of Jack Grealish. He will be our new Micah Richards. Bleeding us dry until he crawls back to them at the end of this season. As above, he will hate the commute. If he was late for their training, he will be absent from ours completely. He will not relocate from Manchester just for a short loan period. He will not want to commit the time to Uni's legendary video sessions. The biggest disaster is the wages we are paying him and a loan fee for taking him off their wage bill. This is utter madness.
Not keen then
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There is nothing about this deal that benefits Villa. Rashford is a washed up player. Their version of Jack Grealish. He will be our new Micah Richards. Bleeding us dry until he crawls back to them at the end of this season. As above, he will hate the commute. If he was late for their training, he will be absent from ours completely. He will not relocate from Manchester just for a short loan period. He will not want to commit the time to Uni's legendary video sessions. The biggest disaster is the wages we are paying him and a loan fee for taking him off their wage bill. This is utter madness.
Can I trouble you for next week's lottery numbers.
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There is nothing about this deal that benefits Villa. Rashford is a washed up player. Their version of Jack Grealish. He will be our new Micah Richards. Bleeding us dry until he crawls back to them at the end of this season. As above, he will hate the commute. If he was late for their training, he will be absent from ours completely. He will not relocate from Manchester just for a short loan period. He will not want to commit the time to Uni's legendary video sessions. The biggest disaster is the wages we are paying him and a loan fee for taking him off their wage bill. This is utter madness.
Can I trouble you for next week's lottery numbers.
The lottery numbers are not predictable. This Rashford deal is utterly predictable
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He'd struggle to contribute less than Philogene so I guess you can put that in the positive column. Can share some game time with Ramsey so we don't break him.
Still don't think it's a great signing, unlikely to contribute enough to justify the outlay and the money could probably have been used better elsewhere or on someone else (don't ask me who)
It's not a disaster though. An expensive short term punt.
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There is nothing about this deal that benefits Villa. Rashford is a washed up player. Their version of Jack Grealish. He will be our new Micah Richards. Bleeding us dry until he crawls back to them at the end of this season. As above, he will hate the commute. If he was late for their training, he will be absent from ours completely. He will not relocate from Manchester just for a short loan period. He will not want to commit the time to Uni's legendary video sessions. The biggest disaster is the wages we are paying him and a loan fee for taking him off their wage bill. This is utter madness.
Can I trouble you for next week's lottery numbers.
The lottery numbers are not predictable. This Rashford deal is utterly predictable
We'll see. No offence, but I trust Emery more than a grumpy fan on the internet.
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There is nothing about this deal that benefits Villa. Rashford is a washed up player. Their version of Jack Grealish. He will be our new Micah Richards. Bleeding us dry until he crawls back to them at the end of this season. As above, he will hate the commute. If he was late for their training, he will be absent from ours completely. He will not relocate from Manchester just for a short loan period. He will not want to commit the time to Uni's legendary video sessions. The biggest disaster is the wages we are paying him and a loan fee for taking him off their wage bill. This is utter madness.
Can I trouble you for next week's lottery numbers.
You have might more joy if you ask Goldenballs.
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Even Emery gets things wrong. Digne at centre back. Trying to play Duran and Ollie together. Signing Rashford. We all make mistakes. He just gets a lot more right than wrong. It's Monchi I worry about. His radar at the moment feels like a blind man with a dowsing rod.
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I don’t think turning up late for training is a moral issue.
No, ripping off your employers and supporters of the club while earning a fortune has nothing to do with morals has it? Doing very worthy charitable work hasn't always been a true reflection of a person's character has it?
After mulling it over, I'm firmly in the 'let's see' camp. It could be just the move the lad needs to get himself and his career back on track, or it might be that he is too far gone and can't get himself going. Not having to pay a loan fee means it's not a massive risk for us.
Either way, he deserves to be given a chance and the support of the fans when he gets here.
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even thou he has been frozen out this season and their manager saying he is a waste of space , still scored 7 goals . I wish Bailey had with all his minutes played .
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He's a Villa player. Therefore he's great.
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As unhappy i am about this deal as i question whether he still has it in him to still want to play top level football, i will get behind him and give him every opportunity to see ahat he can do.
As someone said above he definitely is a step up from philiogene on his day.
Lets see if is willing to put the effort in. Whatever happens i wouldnt want us to sign on 300k a week wages. Thats disaster all over it
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I don’t think turning up late for training is a moral issue.
No, ripping off your employers and supporters of the club while earning a fortune has nothing to do with morals has it? Doing very worthy charitable work hasn't always been a true reflection of a person's character has it?
After mulling it over, I'm firmly in the 'let's see' camp. It could be just the move the lad needs to get himself and his career back on track, or it might be that he is too far gone and can't get himself going. Not having to pay a loan fee means it's not a massive risk for us.
Either way, he deserves to be given a chance and the support of the fans when he gets here.
If he was ripping off his employers there'd be no £300k per week contract for them to worry about.
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Even Emery gets things wrong. Digne at centre back. Trying to play Duran and Ollie together. Signing Rashford. We all make mistakes. He just gets a lot more right than wrong. It's Monchi I worry about. His radar at the moment feels like a blind man with a dowsing rod.
Not sure I understand the analogy
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I don’t think turning up late for training is a moral issue.
No, ripping off your employers and supporters of the club while earning a fortune has nothing to do with morals has it? Doing very worthy charitable work hasn't always been a true reflection of a person's character has it?
After mulling it over, I'm firmly in the 'let's see' camp. It could be just the move the lad needs to get himself and his career back on track, or it might be that he is too far gone and can't get himself going. Not having to pay a loan fee means it's not a massive risk for us.
Either way, he deserves to be given a chance and the support of the fans when he gets here.
If he was ripping off his employers there'd be no £300k per week contract for them to worry about.
That came after he produced the work worth 300k. The ol "new contract, can't be arsed" switcheroo then followed. Not that we haven't suffered from some of those.
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He is great finisher thou , something we desperately we need.
Laughing at the Manure fans, looking at BAaley or Tel , wtf . Shame we couldnt get Tel now ..
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I don’t think he’s ever claimed to be a socialist.
Maybe not, he just seems to crack on with stuff and let others interpret it, but I’d imagine he’s closer to Luca Digne than Matty Cash politically.
I doubt he’ll ever make an MP, if he can’t get to training when he should, he’ll never be able to make the trains run on time.
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Media trying to put a positive Utd spin on things….
But according to a fresh update from Ben Jacobs, the terms are even rosier for the Red Devils.
Taking to X, Jacobs claimed the exact nature of the deal is Villa will actually cover 75 percent of the salary and that figure can rise to a mind-boggling 90 percent pending performance-related objectives.
“Understand Manchester United will get minimum three-quarters wage recovery during Marcus Rashford’s Villa loan and up to 90% depending on performance-based bonuses,” wrote Jacobs. “Move to Villa finalised today. £40m option to buy.”
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I don’t think turning up late for training is a moral issue.
No, ripping off your employers and supporters of the club while earning a fortune has nothing to do with morals has it? Doing very worthy charitable work hasn't always been a true reflection of a person's character has it?
After mulling it over, I'm firmly in the 'let's see' camp. It could be just the move the lad needs to get himself and his career back on track, or it might be that he is too far gone and can't get himself going. Not having to pay a loan fee means it's not a massive risk for us.
Either way, he deserves to be given a chance and the support of the fans when he gets here.
If he was ripping off his employers there'd be no £300k per week contract for them to worry about.
I'd call turning up late or not even turning up for training and not trying a leg in games ripping your employers off to be honest. We've had a number of them over the years to know all about that!!
He comes here with a clean slate for me though and I genuinely hope he can reproduce his best form with us, as he will be a real asset if he can.
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Is he a great finisher though?
GPT thinks otherwise. Take it with a pinch of salt though as sometimes it's well off.
In the 2023-2024 Premier League season, Ollie Watkins had a shot conversion rate of approximately 17.9%, scoring 19 goals from 106 shots.
In comparison, Marcus Rashford's shot conversion rate was approximately 11.3%, with 7 goals from 62 shots.
This indicates that Watkins was more efficient in converting his shots into goals during that season.
And Watkins gets slated for missing too much.
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If being bad at your job was a moral failure, hell would need to get outside investment from Comcast because it's going to need a bigger ground.
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Rashford was shit last season. We're loaning him with the intention of getting his head focussed and turning him back in to the 22/23 Rashford who's stats i'm sure would be much more impressive.
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Rashford was shit last season. We're loaning him with the intention of getting his head focussed and turning him back in to the 22/23 Rashford who's stats i'm sure would be much more impressive.
That's a big ask in the couple of months we'll have him for though. Maybe decent numbers for someone playing off the left? Dunno.
In the 2022-2023 Premier League season, Marcus Rashford scored 17 goals from 108 shots, resulting in a shot conversion rate of approximately 15.7%.
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Media trying to put a positive Utd spin on things….
But according to a fresh update from Ben Jacobs, the terms are even rosier for the Red Devils.
Taking to X, Jacobs claimed the exact nature of the deal is Villa will actually cover 75 percent of the salary and that figure can rise to a mind-boggling 90 percent pending performance-related objectives.
“Understand Manchester United will get minimum three-quarters wage recovery during Marcus Rashford’s Villa loan and up to 90% depending on performance-based bonuses,” wrote Jacobs. “Move to Villa finalised today. £40m option to buy.”
If those performance-based bonuses rely on him scoring enough goals for us to qualify for the CL again, I'm alright with that.
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Is he a great finisher though?
30 goals in a season would tell me he is ok to be fair.
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Some will be glass half empty and coming off the back of losing to the Dogheads we're all more grumpy than had we won yesterday, but I'm struggling to see why some see this deal (if it happens) as a guaranteed failure that will ruin our season.
If we were signing him on a permanent deal, then I get it, but we're not.
He's 27, capable of being of exceptional player and can cover two positions. Despite not being selected for several weeks, he's scored 7 goals in a side that has scored fewer league goals than us (I've not checked the comparative cup goals).
For us, other than Watkins, Duran, and Rogers, our next leading goalscorer is on 4.
He might sulk, he might not find form, and he might disrupt the squad. If he does, then he won't feature and Emery has to manage the impact on the squad.
For me, it's a punt, so inevitably there is a degree of risk. But provided it is only an option to buy and given the other attacking options we have, it's not an enormous risk. UTV
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Thats how I feel with it Russ BN
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Is he a great finisher though?
30 goals in a season would tell me he is ok to be fair.
That season he was on fire, had the season of his life. Got a new deal and hasn't looked anything like the same player, for whatever reason. Given he's only here for a few months his more recent seasons hold more weight.
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Is he a great finisher though?
30 goals in a season would tell me he is ok to be fair.
That season he was on fire, had the season of his life. Got a new deal and hasn't looked anything like the same player, for whatever reason. Given he's only here for a few months his more recent seasons hold more weight.
I’m not so sure, what does hold more weight is the basket case United have been for the last 3-4 seasons
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If being bad at your job was a moral failure, hell would need to get outside investment from Comcast because it's going to need a bigger ground.
Being bad at your job is different from actually having the ability to do your job well but turning up late, not turning up at all and not trying isn't it? That said, it isn't always clear cut and there might be underlying reasons for that kind of behaviour where a person needs help.
As I say though, I view him coming here with a clean slate.
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So stop having a dig at his fucking morals then.
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If he gets close to his best form and Unai can motivate him, or he has a Lingard/West Ham impact, it could be the perfect loan signing. I wouldn't then go headfirst into a permanent deal though, because there's no guarantee he'd not slip into old habits.
Lets face it though. His benchmark in our side right now is probably Bailey. We're not sharing the goals enough and not getting enough contributions from our midfield and attack to help Ollie and Morgz. As bad as the media and fans say Rashford has been this season, he's still scored 7 times and got 3 assists. That's considered bad but if he can hit 5 goals and grab a couple of assists in the run-in, I'd say he'll be offering more than Bailey and probably JJ (although he's getting back in the swing of it, at least until the next inevitable injury). I suspect initially Rashford will play the Duran role, which is to come on at 60 minutes for Ollie and run at a tired backline.
We need squad options desperately having let too many attackers go in the summer and this month and with a lot of players unable to match last season's form. There's not anyone that jumps out as a permanent deal so a couple of loans makes sense.
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Just hope he doesn’t turn up wearing this
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS6TDehUn/
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While we're talking about morality, I believe it to be the moral obligation of all employees of a company that employs more than 50 people to take the piss as much as possible. Diddling the till and nicking stock if you work in retail, three-hour boozy lunches if you work in an office, taking £200 in your top pocket for £5k's worth of stock if you work in a warehouse etc etc.
If you work for Manchester United, burn the fucking place down.
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So stop having a dig at his fucking morals then.
Blimey, are you OK? You seem to be awfully angry at the moment. If you read back, I wasn't having a go at Marcus Rashford personally, just the notion that turning up for training late etc. could reflect poor morals.
I've said that Rashford deserves to be given a chance and should come to Villa Park with a clean slate.
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Bit torn on this one. He's undoubtedly a superb player on his day, and I've always felt the criticism he gets is a bit OTT. But somehow this feels like an unimaginative, short-termist move. He seems like a lovely lad away from football, certainly, but doesn't show anything like the professional application you'd be entitled to expect from a player on his gargantuan wages, and his club is desperate to move him on.
I guess it's a risk-free signing, given that it's only for a few months. But assuming he does OK for us. What then? Are we really going to commit to paying a player three hundred grand a week for four years? Or will he be prepared to take a big pay cut? I'm struggling to see this as anything other than a stopgap solution made necessary by our questionable decision to let so many players leave in the middle of the season.
Hopefully he won't be Coutinho 2.0.
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Even Emery gets things wrong. Digne at centre back. Trying to play Duran and Ollie together. Signing Rashford. We all make mistakes. He just gets a lot more right than wrong. It's Monchi I worry about. His radar at the moment feels like a blind man with a dowsing rod.
I'd argue that he didn't get it wrong with Ollie and Duran. He had an obligation to try and make it work with both of them, and it didn't work, so Duran is gone.
Digne at CB was out of desperation, still a mistake, sure, but it wasn't like he just woke up one morning and decided it was a great idea.
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I’m going to enjoy Man U fans losing their mind as Rashford suddenly remembers that he’s a superb footballer and was just dying to get away from them.
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While we're talking about morality, I believe it to be the moral obligation of all employees of a company that employs more than 50 people to take the piss as much as possible. Diddling the till and nicking stock if you work in retail, three-hour boozy lunches if you work in an office, taking £200 in your top pocket for £5k's worth of stock if you work in a warehouse etc etc.
If you work for Manchester United, burn the fucking place down.
In my professional capacity, I would strongly advise anyone in employment not to follow these recommendations.
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Even Emery gets things wrong. Digne at centre back. Trying to play Duran and Ollie together. Signing Rashford. We all make mistakes. He just gets a lot more right than wrong. It's Monchi I worry about. His radar at the moment feels like a blind man with a dowsing rod.
I'd argue that he didn't get it wrong with Ollie and Duran. He had an obligation to try and make it work with both of them, and it didn't work, so Duran is gone.
Digne at CB was out of desperation, still a mistake, sure, but it wasn't like he just woke up one morning and decided it was a great idea.
To be fair it did look unplanned. I would have expected Unai to have in-game plans should Ty break down. I got the feeling he went with his heart in that game
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Even Emery gets things wrong. Digne at centre back. Trying to play Duran and Ollie together. Signing Rashford. We all make mistakes. He just gets a lot more right than wrong. It's Monchi I worry about. His radar at the moment feels like a blind man with a dowsing rod.
last summer we didn't bring in enough players that were first team ready or first team quality. It has cost us.
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While we're talking about morality, I believe it to be the moral obligation of all employees of a company that employs more than 50 people to take the piss as much as possible. Diddling the till and nicking stock if you work in retail, three-hour boozy lunches if you work in an office, taking £200 in your top pocket for £5k's worth of stock if you work in a warehouse etc etc.
If you work for Manchester United, burn the fucking place down.
In my professional capacity, I would strongly advise anyone in employment not to follow these recommendations.
Lol
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I'm self-employed and all my people are at it.
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Genuine question as I don't pay lots of interest in what happens at Man U, but in a misfiring team, has he:
- performed below par, or
- completely downed tools
I know there is more to it than a few stats, but this season, despite not getting picked for several weeks, he's got 7 goals. Last season he got 8 - the same as Duran who featured in 37 games (I know Duran was/is young and not the finished article, yet).
For me, it points to an exceptional player that has either underperformed in a side/club that is a basket case OR someone that is part of the decline.
From the outside, I don't see him as problematic - more a scapegoat for failing managers.
I guess we will find out. UTV
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I'm self-employed and all my people are at it.
I'm sure like Chris Philip, you too bemoan the lack of productivity in your workforce.
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I'm self-employed and all my people are at it.
I'm sure like Chris Philip, you too bemoan the lack of productivity in your workforce.
I'm less worried about the productivity of the workforce than the fact it seems to hate and want to sabotage me.
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Just been listening to Talksport and Sam Matterface has just said "The Marcus Rashford saga is now over. The first thing that has to be said is how well Ruben Amorim has done".
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In an effort to get my head around exactly why people are so against this, I've looked up his stats for this season. I was genuinely under the impression that he had hardly played for them, but it turns out he's scored 7 goals for them. Only Watkins and Rogers have got more in our squad. If he's still scoring goals at a place that seems to hate him, it's given me some optimism that he might be able to score a few in a slightly more stable environment.
I've also seen that he's played in four different positions for them - LW, RW, CAM & ST. He seems to score more in the central positions, and his output is pretty similar between LW and RW - one of my worries was that he might be brought in at the expense of Ramsey, but there doesn't seem to be any reason why they couldn't start together. Picking four out of; Watkins, Rashford, Asensio, Rogers, Ramsey, McGinn, Tielemens and Malen should give us plenty of options. (Bailey too, if he's still here and finds any kind of form)
His wages - now, I'm a bit of a sucker for believing things that I read and want to think are true, but I've seen it suggested that his contract stipulated that he would only be on the £300,000+ wage when they were in the Champions League. Which they're not - I've double-checked. He's actually on around £200,000 a week, so if we are paying 100%, 70%, 60%, or 50% (I've seen all of these quoted), then it's not that out of kilter with the other members of our squad, and it certainly won't be a case of bleeding us dry. If he helps us get through a round of the Champions League, or finish a couple of places higher in the Premier League, then he will have paid for himself, I'd have thought.
All the players that we have signed, or are about to sign, this January are players that have shown that they are incredible players, but are currently in a bit of a slump. Dortmund fans questioned Malen's commitment, and told us he was going to be incredibly inconsistent. Asensio seems to have stagnated at PSG, having won everything there is to win at Real Madrid. (Last January, we bought a kid from Middlesborough and their fans said that they'd pulled our pants down on the deal.)
There are risks to all the deals, and I get that Rashford's issues are much more widely reported, but that doesn't mean that they are bigger issues. We just hear about them more because the British press love to build people up and knock them down. It's just what they do.
If he's completely useless, he'll be gone in a few months, but there are plenty of potential upsides to this deal, if you want to see them, whereas I think all of the downsides have been massively exaggerated for some reason. The money we'll be giving him isn't huge, and quite frankly, we're desperate for a bit more quality in the squad. I think you can count on one hand the amount of times we've actually played well this season. Players like Rashford and Asensio could add a bit of quality and composure that we've been crying out for. (I would also very much like a centre back, though).
All I'm trying to say is - you don't have to be worried, you could be excited. This could be a very good thing, and if it isn't, there's no great loss.
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Well said boozey.
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But what about his big nose?
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Just been listening to Talksport
Why?
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Excellent post Boozey.
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Just been listening to Talksport
Why?
Natalie Sawyer was on.
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Good post, Boozey, cheers. Feel more optimistic after reading that. Didn't know about the wage thing.
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Just been listening to Talksport
Why?
It's no Radio WM phone-in I'll give you that! Just seemed an odd take to go with first up.
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For someone who says he’s a sucker for what he reads, what a load of bollocks! That is a thoroughly researched and articulate post Mr Boozy!
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manu fans are glad to get rid of him. They're loving it that he wanted to go to Paris or Barca but he's ended up in Birmingham. We're a laughing stock. His best bet would be to go abroad, the press have something on him, will still be all over him, we don't need this circus, collymore mk2 disaster ready to unfold.
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manu fans are glad to get rid of him. They're loving it that he wanted to go to Paris or Barca but he's ended up in Birmingham. We're a laughing stock. His best bet would be to go abroad, the press have something on him, will still be all over him, we don't need this circus, collymore mk2 disaster ready to unfold.
Ok Stinkin Thinkin
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With all the shit he's taken, don't you think he'll be just a tad bit motivated to shove it up them?
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manu fans are glad to get rid of him. They're loving it that he wanted to go to Paris or Barca but he's ended up in Birmingham. We're a laughing stock. His best bet would be to go abroad, the press have something on him, will still be all over him, we don't need this circus, collymore mk2 disaster ready to unfold.
Who cares what them glory hunting tossers think? His head had gone there pure and simple. We have a manager/coaching team that believe in themselves to turn things around for him. It could be a stroke of genius and it might not. It's a relatively low risk punt on a player with ability and pace to burn. I can't wait to see how it works out. Good luck Marcus.
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With all the shit he's taken, don't you think he'll be just a tad bit motivated to shove it up them?
Not sure he's the GIRFUY type.
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I’m going to enjoy Man U fans losing their mind as Rashford suddenly remembers that he’s a superb footballer and was just dying to get away from them.
Exactly, if true I totally welcome Marcus to Villa, this could be the magic signing of many a year that Emry has pulled of, if he gets Marcus up to speed this is a guy that can destroy teams, score precisely the kind of goals that Ollie has been missing of late, it really is something very cool watching all the Manure fans coming out with this bollox about how he's let the club down and lets his team mates down, of course its never the Clubs fault or the managers fault, sorry Amorin you've stuffed this, now reap the whirlwind.
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It's pretty hard to argue that Man Utd have fucked Rashford over. He's been a problem pre Amorim and the bloke has decided he doesn't want the attitude or circus around the club.
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I’m going to enjoy Man U fans losing their mind as Rashford suddenly remembers that he’s a superb footballer and was just dying to get away from them.
Exactly, if true I totally welcome Marcus to Villa, this could be the magic signing of many a year that Emry has pulled of, if he gets Marcus up to speed this is a guy that can destroy teams, score precisely the kind of goals that Ollie has been missing of late, it really is something very cool watching all the Manure fans coming out with this bollox about how he's let the club down and lets his team mates down, of course its never the Clubs fault or the managers fault, sorry Amorin you've stuffed this, now reap the whirlwind.
Precisely. And if it doesn't work out we can send him back and they'll be stuck with a player they've anhilated and can't ever play for them again. His value there would be peanuts now as every club will know he can't play for them again. Win win. For the record I think it's going to turn out to be a masterstroke by the club.
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I’m going to enjoy Man U fans losing their mind as Rashford suddenly remembers that he’s a superb footballer and was just dying to get away from them.
Exactly, if true I totally welcome Marcus to Villa, this could be the magic signing of many a year that Emry has pulled of, if he gets Marcus up to speed this is a guy that can destroy teams, score precisely the kind of goals that Ollie has been missing of late, it really is something very cool watching all the Manure fans coming out with this bollox about how he's let the club down and lets his team mates down, of course its never the Clubs fault or the managers fault, sorry Amorin you've stuffed this, now reap the whirlwind.
Precisely. And if it doesn't work out we can send him back and they'll be stuck with a player they've anhilated and can't ever play for them again. His value there would be peanuts now as every club will know he can't play for them again. Win win. For the record I think it's going to turn out to be a masterstroke by the club.
Well said, it will work out and tbh I couldn't give a flying flip flop what Man U think or say.
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Just been listening to Talksport and Sam Matterface has just said "The Marcus Rashford saga is now over. The first thing that has to be said is how well Ruben Amorim has done".
What's Amorim done other than publicly slate the player who was already being widely slated? He strikes me as a bit of a plámáser, does Amorim. He's saying what he knows the fans are thinking before they have a chance to blame him for any of it.
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If true about his wages only being 2/3s (of what they reportedly are) due to ManUre non-CL involvement....well gee, son, why didn't you someone say anything sooner?!
Come on in Marcus, make yourself at home at this here Bodymoor Heath on the Prairie!
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Deja Vu, been here before with a bloke called Paul Mcgrath, came here from the same club with a far more dodgy past than Rashford supposedly has, the rest his history. we've got a serious player and to there cost.
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It goes back to my comment in yesterday’s post match thread. There’s a mentality issue at Villa now that we have stepped up a level and that needs to change big time and players who were good enough to get us here need to be replaced.
For all his current woes Rashford has been in and around a club where the expectations are enormous and until recently he has been up to those expectations albeit in a relatively underperforming environment.
It’s a big yes from me. And Bailey to them in return is an even bigger yes.
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manu fans are glad to get rid of him. They're loving it that he wanted to go to Paris or Barca but he's ended up in Birmingham. We're a laughing stock. His best bet would be to go abroad, the press have something on him, will still be all over him, we don't need this circus, collymore mk2 disaster ready to unfold.
I wouldn’t give a shiny shit what they think. The fucking idiots still think they have a better team than we do, despite 3 years evidence to the contrary.
Rashford was never the problem there, if anything he’s one of the few players they have who would be good enough for some of their past teams. The problem they’ve got is they still can’t accept their place in the grand scheme at the moment, so there always has to be a scapegoat for why they are essentially mid-table shite and Rashford has fit the bill for the last 18 months.
I give it 6 months before it’s back to blaming the manager and the whole circus starts again, and in the meantime hopefully Rashford will be ramming it down their throats.
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
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The people in the media especially who are slagging this move off are the same ones who think it’s an affront that a player would want to leave Mould Trafford.
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
2 hr chauffeur driven commute.
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The people in the media especially who are slagging this move off are the same ones who think it’s an affront that a player would want to leave Mould Trafford.
Well Gary Neville says it’s a good move for all parties
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manu fans are glad to get rid of him. They're loving it that he wanted to go to Paris or Barca but he's ended up in Birmingham. We're a laughing stock. His best bet would be to go abroad, the press have something on him, will still be all over him, we don't need this circus, collymore mk2 disaster ready to unfold.
I wouldn’t give a shiny shit what they think. The fucking idiots still think they have a better team than we do, despite 3 years evidence to the contrary.
Rashford was never the problem there, if anything he’s one of the few players they have who would be good enough for some of their past teams. The problem they’ve got is they still can’t accept their place in the grand scheme at the moment, so there always has to be a scapegoat for why they are essentially mid-table shite and Rashford has fit the bill for the last 18 months.
I give it 6 months before it’s back to blaming the manager and the whole circus starts again, and in the meantime hopefully Rashford will be ramming it down their throats.
I like the cut of your jib!
And remember we have 2 Champions league games coming up in which Rashford has plenty of experience.
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manu fans are glad to get rid of him. They're loving it that he wanted to go to Paris or Barca but he's ended up in Birmingham. We're a laughing stock. His best bet would be to go abroad, the press have something on him, will still be all over him, we don't need this circus, collymore mk2 disaster ready to unfold.
I wouldn’t give a shiny shit what they think. The fucking idiots still think they have a better team than we do, despite 3 years evidence to the contrary.
Rashford was never the problem there, if anything he’s one of the few players they have who would be good enough for some of their past teams. The problem they’ve got is they still can’t accept their place in the grand scheme at the moment, so there always has to be a scapegoat for why they are essentially mid-table shite and Rashford has fit the bill for the last 18 months.
I give it 6 months before it’s back to blaming the manager and the whole circus starts again, and in the meantime hopefully Rashford will be ramming it down their throats.
I like the cut of your jib!
And remember we have 2 Champions league games coming up in which Rashford has plenty of experience.
And they are losing 1-0 at home to Palace at the moment
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Didn’t that Amorim chap come in and basically tell them they’re all shit and they’re going down? Or words to that effect.
I mean, it’s a different approach to motivating players, but if that’s been his general demeanour then maybe Marcus Rashford just thinks he’s a prick primarily because he IS a prick, and told him to fuck off because it’s a perfectly reasonable thing to say in that situation.
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Didn’t that Amorim chap come in and basically tell them they’re all shit and they’re going down? Or words to that effect.
I mean, it’s a different approach to motivating players, but if that’s been his general demeanour then maybe Marcus Rashford just thinks he’s a prick primarily because he IS a prick, and told him to fuck off because it’s a perfectly reasonable thing to say in that situation.
Where does he fit into that 3-4-3 Amorim is so hell bent on? He’s not a natural centre forward. He’s not going to play as one of the two number 10s and he’s definitely not going to play as one of the wingbacks.
I get the impression Rashford was told very early on he wasn’t part of the long term plan.
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I think United might change their mind now lol
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Didn’t that Amorim chap come in and basically tell them they’re all shit and they’re going down? Or words to that effect.
I mean, it’s a different approach to motivating players, but if that’s been his general demeanour then maybe Marcus Rashford just thinks he’s a prick primarily because he IS a prick, and told him to fuck off because it’s a perfectly reasonable thing to say in that situation.
Where does he fit into that 3-4-3 Amorim is so hell bent on? He’s not a natural centre forward. He’s not going to play as one of the two number 10s and he’s definitely not going to play as one of the wingbacks.
I get the impression Rashford was told very early on he wasn’t part of the long term plan.
Also the owners might want him gone so the manager has gone along with it and communicated that. Made a bad situation worse. Hard to know. But he suddenly hasn’t become shit and as we are seeing again, the club is all over the place on the pitch. Fuck Man U anyway. I hope this turns out to be fucking ace for us.
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Man U seem to be doing just swimmingly without him...
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Even if Rashford is a busted khazi, Hojlund and Zirkzee are utter blose.
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Even if Rashford is a busted khazi, Hojlund and Zirkzee are utter blose.
He started with no striker. I'm not sure what he's thinking even if they aren't good enough.
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Even if Rashford is a busted khazi, Hojlund and Zirkzee are utter blose.
He started with no striker. I'm not sure what he's thinking even if they aren't good enough.
I saw the line up on BBC. They had Mainoo playing as a false nine? Was that the case or was it Fernandes?
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Didn’t that Amorim chap come in and basically tell them they’re all shit and they’re going down? Or words to that effect.
We got fucked off when Gerrard said Chelsea should wipe the floor with us. Amorim after a few weeks in job referred to them as possibly the worst ever Man U side. I’m sure that’s gone down a treat. Mind you it might actually be true given how truly shit they are. And the other thing to point out is Emery took over a side 4th bottom, that cost much, much less and got us into Europe immediately. Amorim for all his accolades seems to be fucking things up very nicely right now.
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I think United might change their mind now lol
They might get desperate and offer us 45m for bailey 😂
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They might get desperate and offer us 45m for bailey 😂
🙏
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
2 hr chauffeur driven commute.
The M6 is a nightmare though, he'll be regularly late for training if this is his plan.
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
2 hr chauffeur driven commute.
The M6 is a nightmare though, he'll be regularly late for training if this is his plan.
Yeah, it’s all going to be a complete disaster isn’t it. He’ll be stuck in traffic and be late for training and everything. And, he’ll make sure he ruins team spirit. I hear he has an Emery doll that he sticks pins in and doesn’t remember who won the 1982 European Cup. The ******.
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
2 hr chauffeur driven commute.
The M6 is a nightmare though, he'll be regularly late for training if this is his plan.
Fucking hell.
Do you find absolute misery in everything?
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It's a shame he can't afford to stay in a hotel.
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It's a shame he can't afford to stay in a hotel.
He’d probably try and leave without paying the bill. The thief.
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Does he have a young family and doesn't want to temporarily move them?
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The Keele Travel Tavern is highly recommended. The genius is that it is equidistant from Birmingham and Manchester.
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The Keele Travel Tavern is highly recommended. The genius is that it is equidistant from Birmingham and Manchester.
He'll have a scam going with a 12 inch plate because of his character.
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Deja Vu, been here before with a bloke called Paul Mcgrath, came here from the same club with a far more dodgy past than Rashford supposedly has, the rest his history. we've got a serious player and to there cost.
Sorry but this is such a crap comparison. They didn't shift McGrath because of his poor form, he'd been playing well. So well in fact he's still very highly thought of by Man Utd fans. None of which can be said of Rashford.
If he's such a serious player what's he been doing the last two years?
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
2 hr chauffeur driven commute.
The M6 is a nightmare though, he'll be regularly late for training if this is his plan.
He'll just have to leave a bit earlier. His chauffeur-driven Vito Maybach van is kitted out with a Playstation, 40in telly, and a galaxy ceiling with twinkling stars, so I assume it has a coffee machine.
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
2 hr chauffeur driven commute.
The M6 is a nightmare though, he'll be regularly late for training if this is his plan.
He'll just have to leave a bit earlier. His chauffeur-driven Vito Maybach van is kitted out with a Playstation, 40in telly, and a galaxy ceiling with twinkling stars, so I assume it has a coffee machine.
You're thinking of LeeB, who thinks kettles are saaaad.
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Pires did the same didn't he when he joined.
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Pires did the same didn't he when he joined.
I reckon Rashford will be less mobile than Pires was. That, and I’ve heard that he reads Mein Kampf to toddlers.
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Even if Rashford is a busted khazi, Hojlund and Zirkzee are utter blose.
He started with no striker. I'm not sure what he's thinking even if they aren't good enough.
I saw the line up on BBC. They had Mainoo playing as a false nine? Was that the case or was it Fernandes?
I didn't watch it but it was my assumption that Mainoo being the 9 must have been wrong and that it was Fernandes. Must be a classic case of a manager sending a message to the board.
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I suppose at least Rashford is used to taking three points at Villa Park, so that part of his integration should be straightforward.
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If anybody can get Rashford back to his best it's Unai Emery I believe he wouldn't touch him if he thought he was past his best.
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Pires did the same didn't he when he joined.
I reckon Rashford will be less mobile than Pires was. That, and I’ve heard that he reads Mein Kampf to toddlers.
Are you ok
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Pires did the same didn't he when he joined.
I reckon Rashford will be less mobile than Pires was. That, and I’ve heard that he reads Mein Kampf to toddlers.
Are you ok
Are you a real person?
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
That will work fine. As most manc footballers live in Cheshire it’s about 90 minutes to BMH, about the same as driving from Bromsgroe through the city.
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Pires did the same didn't he when he joined.
Difference was that it took Pires two hours to commute from the centre circle to the penalty area.
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
It shows the level of commitment he has towards the move that he can't even be bothered to move closer to Bodymoor. This signing is an utter betrayal.
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
It shows the level of commitment he has towards the move that he can't even be bothered to move closer to Bodymoor. This signing is an utter betrayal.
Haha! Brilliant satire.
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I thought it was ok when it was said we were only paying half his wages. That seemed a good bargain and no lose situation. If we are now paying as much as claimed it seems v high risk and desperation because we’ve had another terrible window!
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
It shows the level of commitment he has towards the move that he can't even be bothered to move closer to Bodymoor. This signing is an utter betrayal.
::)
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
It shows the level of commitment he has towards the move that he can't even be bothered to move closer to Bodymoor. This signing is an utter betrayal.
It's worse than that. It's a holocaust of all the values this once-great club was built on. This signing signals the end for Aston Villa. I'm crying salt tears here. The thought of children getting a lunch they didn't pay for, I just...I can't.
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It shows the level of commitment he has towards the move that he can't even be bothered to move closer to Bodymoor. This signing is an utter betrayal.
We're getting a footballer on loan for a few months, not renaming the Holte after the 'Cambridge Five'.
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Jesus, few years ago we'd haver been jumping for joy at the prospect of a multiple international cap signing with the option of a summer purchase. I'm prepared to give the fecker a chance before I start beating the club with a shitty stick for making the effort to push us back up towards the top 4 and possibly qualify for the last 8 of the Champs League. Maybe you lot should try cheering the fuck up?
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Pires did the same didn't he when he joined.
Difference was that it took Pires two hours to commute from the centre circle to the penalty area.
Ha ha! That made me laugh. He has to be the slowest player to ever wear* the shirt.
*have to say wear, because he didn’t play.
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I know. About to add Rashford and Asensio and it’s been received by some like we are adding Rudy Gestede and Simon Dawkins.
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
It shows the level of commitment he has towards the move that he can't even be bothered to move closer to Bodymoor. This signing is an utter betrayal.
I am not a fan of this deal but this is load of bollocks.
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
It shows the level of commitment he has towards the move that he can't even be bothered to move closer to Bodymoor. This signing is an utter betrayal.
It reminds me of the 9/11 attacks.
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It shows the level of commitment he has towards the move that he can't even be bothered to move closer to Bodymoor. This signing is an utter betrayal.
We're getting a footballer on loan for a few months, not renaming the Holte after the 'Cambridge Five'.
😂😂😂
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I thought it was ok when it was said we were only paying half his wages. That seemed a good bargain and no lose situation. If we are now paying as much as claimed it seems v high risk and desperation because we’ve had another terrible window!
If we were paying half his wages, we'd probably be paying a loan fee too. It appears we're not paying a loan fee, so as others have done the sums, financially speaking, it's the same, probably cheaper.
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
It shows the level of commitment he has towards the move that he can't even be bothered to move closer to Bodymoor. This signing is an utter betrayal.
Bloody hell this convinces me, you’re normally so sunny and positive and not prone to melodrama at all….
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The radio said he is intending to stay in manchester and travel down. Hows that going to work?
Thats gotta be bollocks
It shows the level of commitment he has towards the move that he can't even be bothered to move closer to Bodymoor. This signing is an utter betrayal.
It reminds me of the 9/11 attacks.
😂😂
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Come on there are more flights from Manchester for when he wants to hang and watch the Basketball.
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To me, it looks like Rashford wants games so he can make a move to a Champions league regular next season. I'm sure that would suit Man U as well.
If that is the case, I get why he wouldn't want to relocate.
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The problem with Rashford is that, yes, he clearly has a lot of talent and needs to get back on the right course, and the right manager could very well do that.
I just can't forgive him for annexing the Sudetenland, though.
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People can't actually expect the man to move for a 3 month loan in a city that's 90 minutes away.
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I'm sure he can afford a hotel should dire need require him to.
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This is the very definition of getting upset over nothing. He doesn’t need to clock in for a shift at Rover at 7am. 90 minutes commute is nothing at all.
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At least he has stopped everyone arguing about how good/ shit Watkins is.
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People can't actually expect the man to move for a 3 month loan in a city that's 90 minutes away.
The ultimate betrayal 🤣🤣🤣
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I thought it was ok when it was said we were only paying half his wages. That seemed a good bargain and no lose situation. If we are now paying as much as claimed it seems v high risk and desperation because we’ve had another terrible window!
If we were paying half his wages, we'd probably be paying a loan fee too. It appears we're not paying a loan fee, so as others have done the sums, financially speaking, it's the same, probably cheaper.
Precisely. The alternative way to think of it is he’s a short term free transfer and is taking a 30% pay cut to come here.
He might prove to be terrible, but if he is, it’s cost us about 4 mill in wages. Not great, but a LONG way from being a disaster given Buendia and Carlos would easily have costs us the same.
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If he comes and scores important goals I’ll forgive him for withholding what he knows about the disappearance of Flight 19 in the Bermuda Triangle.
Maybe.
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Brilliant player when on form. When was the last time we had a winger that could score 35 in a season? Little risk with it being non compulsory purchase option.
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Tap in merchant Romano now saying it’s done. As of about 40 mins ago.
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This is the very definition of getting upset over nothing. He doesn’t need to clock in for a shift at Rover at 7am. 90 minutes commute is nothing at all.
people clocked in at 7am at the Rover?
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The more I hear Redfilth fans moan about him and laugh at us taking him the more my mind is changing to giving him a chance on the hope them fuckers choke.
They have enough problems of tier own (Amorim being a big one)
Just hope a defender is imminent
And I really know nothing about Asensio
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The problem with Rashford is that, yes, he clearly has a lot of talent and needs to get back on the right course, and the right manager could very well do that.
I just can't forgive him for annexing the Sudetenland, though.
Haha. The punchline. Bravo.
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When was the last time we had a winger that could score 35 in a season?
At a guess Ray Graydon. He didn't score that many but was capable of it in 1974/75.
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People can't actually expect the man to move for a 3 month loan in a city that's 90 minutes away.
He can easily afford to stay in a hotel for the whole duration of his stay.
It makes no sense to me that he will be doing a 90-120 min journey every day
Also on a seperate note did anyone hear frogface deeneys comments about us sigbing rashford on talkshite?
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No, so go on….
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People can't actually expect the man to move for a 3 month loan in a city that's 90 minutes away.
He can easily afford to stay in a hotel for the whole duration of his stay.
It makes no sense to me that he will be doing a 90-120 min journey every day
Also on a seperate note did anyone hear frogface deeneys comments about us sigbing rashford on talkshite?
£350.000k a week still goes a long way in the U.K.
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No, so go on….
Disagree. Please don’t…
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People can't actually expect the man to move for a 3 month loan in a city that's 90 minutes away.
He can easily afford to stay in a hotel for the whole duration of his stay.
It makes no sense to me that he will be doing a 90-120 min journey every day
Also on a seperate note did anyone hear frogface deeneys comments about us sigbing rashford on talkshite?
You do know lots of people commute these distances for work on a regular basis in the normal world? It’s not exactly a gruelling thing for a chap who’s not doing the usual 9-5 job either.
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And he'll obviously stay in a hotel as and when necessary.
Still though, TalkSport...
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I've just been listening to PointlessChatDesignedToEnrageVillaFans FM and they've been really mean about Villa, the bastards. I'm really enraged, now.
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I thought it was ok when it was said we were only paying half his wages. That seemed a good bargain and no lose situation. If we are now paying as much as claimed it seems v high risk and desperation because we’ve had another terrible window!
If we were paying half his wages, we'd probably be paying a loan fee too. It appears we're not paying a loan fee, so as others have done the sums, financially speaking, it's the same, probably cheaper.
Precisely. The alternative way to think of it is he’s a short term free transfer and is taking a 30% pay cut to come here.
He might prove to be terrible, but if he is, it’s cost us about 4 mill in wages. Not great, but a LONG way from being a disaster given Buendia and Carlos would easily have costs us the same.
To be honest, I'm not sure why you would think the deal was ok, to then not ok, just because we're paying another 20% of his wages for half a season, anyway.
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If Rashford ends up here on a short term loan, then my considered opinion is…
Is it a gamble? Yes.
Is it a gamble worth taking? Also yes.
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No, so go on….
Disagree. Please don’t…
😂
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If Rashford ends up here on a short term loan, then my considered opinion is…
Is it a gamble? Yes.
Is it a gamble worth taking? Also yes.
This is all true, but for the "well, it's a gamble" crowd, are there examples of risk-free, nailed-on success, couldn't-possibly-fail transfers?
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Not at all, but some are higher risk gambles than others.
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If Rashford ends up here on a short term loan, then my considered opinion is…
Is it a gamble? Yes.
Is it a gamble worth taking? Also yes.
This is all true, but for the "well, it's a gamble" crowd, are there examples of risk-free, nailed-on success, couldn't-possibly-fail transfers?
Lionel Messi to Inter Miami. Ronaldo playing for Al Nassr. Probably not many after that.
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If Rashford ends up here on a short term loan, then my considered opinion is…
Is it a gamble? Yes.
Is it a gamble worth taking? Also yes.
This is all true, but for the "well, it's a gamble" crowd, are there examples of risk-free, nailed-on success, couldn't-possibly-fail transfers?
Every transfer carries a risk, but the risk rating slides up and down the scale. Rashford is very much in the red zone , same as Coutinho was , same as Drunkwater and Bobby Pires too.
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And he'll obviously stay in a hotel as and when necessary.
Still though, TalkSport...
…and have a driver.
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Rashford is in the higher risk category but the fact that it’s a short term loan some what mitigates the high risk to being an acceptable risk worth taking.
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People didn't want Ross Barkley in the summer for the tiny amount we paid for him for somewhat similar reasons to Rashford.
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People didn't want Ross Barkley in the summer for the tiny amount we paid for him for somewhat similar reasons to Rashford.
I know. You'd think it was going to be stopped out of their wages.
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People didn't want Ross Barkley in the summer for the tiny amount we paid for him for somewhat similar reasons to Rashford.
Really poor comparison, Barkley was playing regular football and hadn't thrown his toys out , taken the piss for months on end upsetting more than 2 managers .
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And he'll obviously stay in a hotel as and when necessary.
Still though, TalkSport...
…and have a driver.
Well he is not very good at driving
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People didn't want Ross Barkley in the summer for the tiny amount we paid for him for somewhat similar reasons to Rashford.
Really poor comparison, Barkley was playing regular football and hadn't thrown his toys out , taken the piss for months on end upsetting more than 2 managers .
And that arguably elevated level of risk is obviously mitigated by the fact that Marcus Rashford at his best is about a million times better than Ross Barkley at his best.
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People didn't want Ross Barkley in the summer for the tiny amount we paid for him for somewhat similar reasons to Rashford.
Barkley wasn't a lazy player who hadn't lifted a finger for two seasons. So not a valid comparison for me.
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High risk without mitigating actions which we have put in place.
The real risk is with Rashford and United if he doesn’t perform
The upside is very much in favour of us.
Anyway let’s see how he settles in, I’m sure he will had a chat with the likes of Ollie and Tyrone.
Once he puts that claret and blue shirt on I will give him 100% and expect the same back.
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People didn't want Ross Barkley in the summer for the tiny amount we paid for him for somewhat similar reasons to Rashford.
Barkley wasn't a lazy player who hadn't lifted a finger for two seasons. So not a valid comparison for me.
This time two seasons ago Rashford was just about to go on a run of scoring six goals in five games on his way to a 34 goal season.
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People didn't want Ross Barkley in the summer for the tiny amount we paid for him for somewhat similar reasons to Rashford.
Barkley wasn't a lazy player who hadn't lifted a finger for two seasons. So not a valid comparison for me.
This time two seasons ago Rashford was just to go on a run of scoring six goals in five games on his way to a 34 goal season.
True but he's done nothing in the last 18 months.
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People didn't want Ross Barkley in the summer for the tiny amount we paid for him for somewhat similar reasons to Rashford.
Really poor comparison, Barkley was playing regular football and hadn't thrown his toys out , taken the piss for months on end upsetting more than 2 managers .
Yes, but they were Man U toys and it was taking the piss out of Man U and upsetting managers of Man U. Every cloud.
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People didn't want Ross Barkley in the summer for the tiny amount we paid for him for somewhat similar reasons to Rashford.
Barkley wasn't a lazy player who hadn't lifted a finger for two seasons. So not a valid comparison for me.
This time two seasons ago Rashford was just to go on a run of scoring six goals in five games on his way to a 34 goal season.
True but he's done nothing in the last 18 months.
He's been saving them up for us
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Tap in merchant Romano now saying it’s done. As of about 40 mins ago.
Think they're just waiting to confirm that his Chinawhite membership can be transferred from Manchester to Birmingham.
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Have seen some comments from ManU fans that say Rashford isn't on anywhere near 300k a week for them because a lot of that was CL and bonus related, so they reckon Villa paying 70% if his actual salary is more like 170k a week. I'd assume we've got performance bonus' too, but that's really not as diabolical an amount as some people are claiming.
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Tap in merchant Romano now saying it’s done. As of about 40 mins ago.
Think they're just waiting to confirm that his Chinawhite membership can be transferred from Manchester to Birmingham.
He was supposed to be having his medical today but apparently he's currently in Belfast. ;)
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And he'll obviously stay in a hotel as and when necessary.
Still though, TalkSport...
Ita talkshite get it right
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Have seen some comments from ManU fans that say Rashford isn't on anywhere near 300k a week for them because a lot of that was CL and bonus related, so they reckon Villa paying 70% if his actual salary is more like 170k a week. I'd assume we've got performance bonus' too, but that's really not as diabolical an amount as some people are claiming.
He was on a 20% reduction because he wasn't playing CL football. Probably picking up £255K a week at Utd approx.
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Have seen some comments from ManU fans that say Rashford isn't on anywhere near 300k a week for them because a lot of that was CL and bonus related, so they reckon Villa paying 70% if his actual salary is more like 170k a week. I'd assume we've got performance bonus' too, but that's really not as diabolical an amount as some people are claiming.
He was on a 20% reduction because he wasn't playing CL football. Probably picking up £255K a week at Utd approx.
Thought experiment: given he now *will* be playing Champions League football, does that increase his Man Utd salary and thus the amount we need to pay?
(I mean, obviously not. But y'know)
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Tap in merchant Romano now saying it’s done. As of about 40 mins ago.
Think they're just waiting to confirm that his Chinawhite membership can be transferred from Manchester to Birmingham.
Nobody has been to China White since 1998.
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Have seen some comments from ManU fans that say Rashford isn't on anywhere near 300k a week for them because a lot of that was CL and bonus related, so they reckon Villa paying 70% if his actual salary is more like 170k a week. I'd assume we've got performance bonus' too, but that's really not as diabolical an amount as some people are claiming.
He was on a 20% reduction because he wasn't playing CL football. Probably picking up £255K a week at Utd approx.
Thought experiment: given he now *will* be playing Champions League football, does that increase his Man Utd salary and thus the amount we need to pay?
(I mean, obviously not. But y'know)
I did see that being brought up by the journo speaking about his 20% salary reduction but couldn't either confirm or deny. I'm sure it will come out if that's the case very soon.
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Pires did the same didn't he when he joined.
Difference was that it took Pires two hours to commute from the centre circle to the penalty area.
👏
Superb, cd.
I’m with the, ‘He’ll be brill in the CL and liven up the PL’ crowd.
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Tap in merchant Romano now saying it’s done. As of about 40 mins ago.
Think they're just waiting to confirm that his Chinawhite membership can be transferred from Manchester to Birmingham.
He was supposed to be having his medical today but apparently he's currently in Belfast. ;)
Great city for a weekend break but what's he doing out there if signing for us .
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Tap in merchant Romano now saying it’s done. As of about 40 mins ago.
Think they're just waiting to confirm that his Chinawhite membership can be transferred from Manchester to Birmingham.
He was supposed to be having his medical today but apparently he's currently in Belfast. ;)
Great city for a weekend break but what's he doing out there if signing for us .
Doing jagerbombs.
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Didn’t that Amorim chap come in and basically tell them they’re all shit and they’re going down? Or words to that effect.
I mean, it’s a different approach to motivating players, but if that’s been his general demeanour then maybe Marcus Rashford just thinks he’s a prick primarily because he IS a prick, and told him to fuck off because it’s a perfectly reasonable thing to say in that situation.
Where does he fit into that 3-4-3 Amorim is so hell bent on? He’s not a natural centre forward. He’s not going to play as one of the two number 10s and he’s definitely not going to play as one of the wingbacks.
I get the impression Rashford was told very early on he wasn’t part of the long term plan.
Where does he fit in our formation?
He downed tools under four successive managers at Old Trafford.
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Stayed out for a day. Are the second 17 pages more of the same as the first 17 pages?
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Have seen some comments from ManU fans that say Rashford isn't on anywhere near 300k a week for them because a lot of that was CL and bonus related, so they reckon Villa paying 70% if his actual salary is more like 170k a week. I'd assume we've got performance bonus' too, but that's really not as diabolical an amount as some people are claiming.
He was on a 20% reduction because he wasn't playing CL football. Probably picking up £255K a week at Utd approx.
Thought experiment: given he now *will* be playing Champions League football, does that increase his Man Utd salary and thus the amount we need to pay?
(I mean, obviously not. But y'know)
I did see that being brought up by the journo speaking about his 20% salary reduction but couldn't either confirm or deny. I'm sure it will come out if that's the case very soon.
I would assume not, given we're paying a % of the wages he's on this season. He wasn't getting the CL or other bonuses at Man U this season, so he's not losing out on them by coming to us.
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Didn’t that Amorim chap come in and basically tell them they’re all shit and they’re going down? Or words to that effect.
I mean, it’s a different approach to motivating players, but if that’s been his general demeanour then maybe Marcus Rashford just thinks he’s a prick primarily because he IS a prick, and told him to fuck off because it’s a perfectly reasonable thing to say in that situation.
Where does he fit into that 3-4-3 Amorim is so hell bent on? He’s not a natural centre forward. He’s not going to play as one of the two number 10s and he’s definitely not going to play as one of the wingbacks.
I get the impression Rashford was told very early on he wasn’t part of the long term plan.
Where does he fit in our formation?
He downed tools under four successive managers at Old Trafford.
And scored about 70 odd goals during that time in a very dysfunctional football club. I'll have a slice of that for 4 months.
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Didn’t that Amorim chap come in and basically tell them they’re all shit and they’re going down? Or words to that effect.
I mean, it’s a different approach to motivating players, but if that’s been his general demeanour then maybe Marcus Rashford just thinks he’s a prick primarily because he IS a prick, and told him to fuck off because it’s a perfectly reasonable thing to say in that situation.
Where does he fit into that 3-4-3 Amorim is so hell bent on? He’s not a natural centre forward. He’s not going to play as one of the two number 10s and he’s definitely not going to play as one of the wingbacks.
I get the impression Rashford was told very early on he wasn’t part of the long term plan.
Where does he fit in our formation?
He downed tools under four successive managers at Old Trafford.
And that is the £325,000 p/w question .
Back up for Ramsey presumably.
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We won't be paying anywhere near £325,000 a week. He's even on that at Man U.
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One of the concerns about Duran was that he was a "distraction". How much of a distraction would Rashford be by comparison?
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Stayed out for a day. Are the second 17 pages more of the same as the first 17 pages?
Pretty much, but worth searching for the phrase 'utter betrayal' in this thread.
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Difference could be that Duran was the distraction. In this case it will more the media around him. I think the player will be a lot more low key and get on with it. That’s the hope anyway.
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Difference could be that Duran was the distraction. In this case it will more the media around him. I think the player will be a lot more low key and get on with it. That’s the hope anyway.
That's even worse, though.
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One of the concerns about Duran was that he was a "distraction". How much of a distraction would Rashford be by comparison?
Depends what you mean by distraction.
Something for TalkSport to get excited about to fill hours for the simpletons who listen to them, probably more.
Just some bloke being paid to play football, probably less.
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One of the concerns about Duran was that he was a "distraction". How much of a distraction would Rashford be by comparison?
Depends what you mean by distraction.
Something for TalkSport to get excited about to fill hours for the simpletons who listen to them, probably more.
Just some bloke being paid to play football, probably less.
I am not anti this move, I just think Rashford has become a bit of a media circus, and I suspect we're going to get sick to the tits of hearing about it, relatively quickly.
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One of the concerns about Duran was that he was a "distraction". How much of a distraction would Rashford be by comparison?
I'd have to accept the first proposition was correct - which I don't - to answer the question, which I won't. The real question, if questions are our business, is why have I started posting like I'm on a subreddit about whether Dr Who really is a Vulcan?
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One of the concerns about Duran was that he was a "distraction". How much of a distraction would Rashford be by comparison?
Depends what you mean by distraction.
Something for TalkSport to get excited about to fill hours for the simpletons who listen to them, probably more.
Just some bloke being paid to play football, probably less.
I am not anti this move, I just think Rashford has become a bit of a media circus, and I suspect we're going to get sick to the tits of hearing about it, relatively quickly.
Depends if he plays well I suppose, that will outweigh everything else
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Stop that right now, SE.
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Sorry, Mr Who.
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I forgot he was a surgeon.
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Talking of surgeons, medical done, apparently.
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A big part of the circus is to do with him being an easy scapegoat because he didnt want kids to go hungry.
Its the wrong kind of player, trying to do some good and they have had it in for him since.
Im not saying he isnt without fault but hes done pretty well for Man Utd & England. At both they havent had the greatest coaches and / or situations
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This does not feel like an Unai type of transfer I really hope it goes well.
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This does not feel like an Unai type of transfer I really hope it goes well.
He may work, he may not work, but one thing is for sure, any player that comes in is suggested and rubber stamped by Unai. Monchi just gets the deals done.
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Interesting read on BBC about Rashford
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cqld41124n3o
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(https://i.ibb.co/F46JNztK/Screenshot-20250202-210035-Opera.jpg)
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He looks happy enough to be out of that mess. Good luck there kid
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Bring your A game and it'll be just fine Marcus, welcome to a grand old club
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Could be amazing…
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He is only 27 and should be coming into his prime. He is 2 years younger than Ollie Watkins, 4 years younger than Harry Kane. He has spent his entire career at a club in steady decline which has had a stream of big money signings pass through it's doors and underperform. The day in day out work being done at Bodymoor Heath is achieving the polar opposite with players to whatever goes on at Carrington.
Rashford has known nothing else up to now and I reckon he is going to find the next few days a real breath of fresh air.
All Villa fans ( and Thomas Tuchel) should be looking forward with great hope and optimism.
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Welcome Marcus!
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Welcome matey to a proper club. Just give your all and do your best, that’s all we ask.
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All Villa fans ( and Thomas Tuchel) should be looking forward with great hope and optimism.
Tuchel will be delighted when England's front line picks itself. Rogers, Rashford and Watkins will be banging them in for fun.
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Here's journalist Henry Winter's take on the deal.
A pretty good summary in my view.
Aston Villa offers a fantastic relaunching opportunity for Marcus Rashford if he responds to Unai Emery’s demands in and out of possession. Emery’s a very detailed technical and tactical coach who can bring the best out of underperforming individuals. If there are no last-minute hitches in the loan deal, Rashford will be playing in front of the Holte End which will expect total commitment. If he delivers, Villa fans will love him.
His pace, directness and goal threat, cutting in from the left will be a useful asset for Villa. They need reinforcements and options because of the European workload and Jhon Duran’s exit. He will need a couple of games to regain match sharpness but Rashford is fitter than depicted. He's let his career drift over the past two years but there's still a good player there. Anyone who has scored 139 goals in 426 games for United, and 17 goals in 60 for England, clearly has quality.
It’s all down to Rashford now. His character and ability are being questioned. He has to seize this chance. Villa are a distinguished club with a fine history and an exciting future thanks to Emery, Monchi and the owners. Villa Park is a special place, raucous and rocking, when the team are flying. It’s all there for Rashford, the stage, the support, the manager, the Champions League.
He’s only 27. He’s desperate to get back in the England squad - a tall order given the attacking quality Thomas Tuchel can call upon (not least Ollie Watkins and Morgan Rogers). But Rashford has to deliver for club first before even dreaming about an England recall.
It's been clear for two months that Rashford was going to leave United. Whatever the reasons – a combination of tactical, PSR, effort - a parting of the ways makes sense for club and player. It’s a loan but hard to see Rashford returning. Ruben Amorim can get on with his important rebuilding job without the distraction of another saga. Eventually freeing up Rashford’s wages will allow significant reinvestment in squad - at centre-forward.
One caveat: the suggestion is that Rashford will commute to Bodymoor Heath. Really, he should move away from Manchester, closer to the training ground and Villa Park. Rashford has to pour every minute, and every ounce of energy, into this great opportunity at Villa.
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With Asensio likely, our forward options are surely the most exciting we've had if they find form, and Unai can mould them all together.
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He's got 17 million instagram followers. Is that the biggest of any player we have? It could be a huge attention grabber for the club, hopefully in a positive sense.
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Has this been confirmed now?
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Agree with Winter, he should get clear of Manchester, clean break.
I hope he does brilliantly.
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He's got 17 million instagram followers. Is that the biggest of any player we have? It could be a huge attention grabber for the club, hopefully in a positive sense.
Coutinho 24 million.
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His coach at Yanited when he was young and whom he credits with his development has the same full name as me and there are only three of us in the world so I really want to like Marcus and ultimately bond with him.
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Welcome Marcus. Hope you prove to be a genius loan transfer.
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Maybe Unai sees a little bit of himself in these recovery projects. He came back to England to prove a point having been hounded out of Arsenal. He might be putting a similar opportunity in front of Rashford. Unwanted at a club he’s given a lot to and a chance to shove it in everyone’s face that has tossed him aside.
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Signed! The official site seems slow!
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Even the yellow program on sky hasn’t confirmed
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Like all Villa players, he'll have my support (unless he's strolling around the pitch looking uninterested). Let's see how it goes.
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Great news if true. Good luck Marcus.
By a distance the best player we have ever signed where we do not know if or where he will play.
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Interesting read on BBC about Rashford
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cqld41124n3o
Some interesting bits from that article....
Club sources say Rashford has trained well. Unlike Jadon Sancho, who fell out with former United boss Erik ten Hag, again over standards, Rashford was not banished to a different area of the Carrington training ground and told to change on his own.
While Rashford's body language has not always presented the most positive image, recent open training showed a different side.
During the 15 minutes session broadcast before the Europa League matches against Rangers and FCSB, Rashford was expressive and light-hearted.
When Amorim 'ran the gauntlet' through the first-team squad to mark his 40th birthday, Rashford was among those in the line, smiling after the United boss had charged through.
However, despite missing the past 11 games, he is still United's joint-fourth highest scorer this season with seven, the same as £72m signing Hojlund, who has played four more games.
Only Amad Diallo (six), Bruno Fernandes (five) and Hojlund (four) have scored more goals under Amorim than Rashford (three), who has only been on the pitch in 35% of the new head coach's games at United.
Also some suggestions that Amorim was trying to make himself the "strongest" person at the club, and proving he's the boss by taking control of a situation and not backing down. Also the idea that getting rid of their highest earners will make it easier for them to offer lower wages to potential new signings, which is why Rashford and Caesmero have been left out.
If they left, representatives of prospective signings would be unable to use them as a benchmark for wage negotiations.
Consequently, it is not until those salaries are off the books that United can properly start to move forward in a more sustainable manner, without the threat of profit and sustainability breaches hanging over them. Those rules also feed the view that homegrown stars such as Alejandro Garnacho and Kobbie Mainoo might need to be sold.
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Welcome Marcus, be great.
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Part of his huge salary pays for this:
Aston Villa have missed three of the last six penalties they've taken in all competitions.
Marcus Rashford has scored all 11 spot kicks he's taken since October 2019 and has a penalty conversion rate of 90% in his professional career.
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So basically, Main Utd have appointed themselves a Portuguese Paul Lambert.
Sound.
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So basically, Main Utd have appointed themselves a Portuguese Paul Lambert.
Sound.
That’s exactly how I’ve read it. Create a bomb squad. That should make everyone happy. I expect him to look like an unshaven homeless tramp as Lambert did in about six months; spouting utter bollocks, ending every interview with “we go again”.
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This hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
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Villa usually do the whole media package with video etc. when they announce it. They’re probably a bit annoyed someone leaked that pic.
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We've got a picture. From a Man U fan account on Bluesky (which I'm assuming is a mirror of the same account on Twitter). We're going to look very silly if I've been done by a clever piece of AI. Well, I am.
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Marcus Rashford has scored all 11 spot kicks he's taken since October 2019
I don't mean to quibble statistics, but I definitely remember a famous miss in the Euro 2020 final.
And while I'll happily accept that scoring in a penalty shootout doesn't count as a goal, they could definitely phrase their stat better so that it's not objectively wrong.
Nobody is ever going to go with "Gareth Southgate never missed a penalty in his career" are they?
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Like all Villa players, he'll have my support (unless he's strolling around the pitch looking uninterested). Let's see how it goes.
Yes I will hope for the best. Point to prove etc.. Just hope it isn't another Drinkwater or Collymore
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Marcus Rashford has scored all 11 spot kicks he's taken since October 2019
I don't mean to quibble statistics, but I definitely remember a famous miss in the Euro 2020 final.
And while I'll happily accept it doesn't count as a goal if it's scored, they could definitely phrase it better so that it's not objectively wrong.
Nobody is ever going to go with "Gareth Southgate had never missed a penalty before" are they?
Even with that in mind it still makes him the best PK taker at our club by a long shot. We are lucky to get ours on target. Of course I could be cynical by saying that Tielemans had a good record before he rolled up to B6. How’s that gone?
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So basically, Main Utd have appointed themselves a Portuguese Paul Lambert.
Sound.
Vamos de novo....
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Marcus Rashford has scored all 11 spot kicks he's taken since October 2019
I don't mean to quibble statistics, but I definitely remember a famous miss in the Euro 2020 final.
And while I'll happily accept it doesn't count as a goal if it's scored, they could definitely phrase it better so that it's not objectively wrong.
Nobody is ever going to go with "Gareth Southgate had never missed a penalty before" are they?
Even with that in mind it still makes him the best PK taker at our club by a long shot. We are lucky to get ours on target. Of course I could be cynical by saying that Tielemans had a good record before he rolled up to B6. How’s that gone?
I'm comfortable with the logic. Just uncomfortable with the phraseology of the lazy bastards whose facts you're quoting.
Unless they're your facts - in which case, fix your phraseology, you lazy bastard.
*wink*
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This hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
Yep so we’re backed to the thread etiquette - “signed” really should be once there’s official confirmation.
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Like all Villa players, he'll have my support (unless he's strolling around the pitch looking uninterested). Let's see how it goes.
Yes I will hope for the best. Point to prove etc.. Just hope it isn't another Drinkwater or Collymore
This is where context is important, drinkwater was on loan, so despite being rotten cost us very little. Collymore was on a bumper contract so way harder to solve (also had some good games).
rashford is low risk by comparison.
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Marcus Rashford has scored all 11 spot kicks he's taken since October 2019
I don't mean to quibble statistics, but I definitely remember a famous miss in the Euro 2020 final.
And while I'll happily accept it doesn't count as a goal if it's scored, they could definitely phrase it better so that it's not objectively wrong.
Nobody is ever going to go with "Gareth Southgate had never missed a penalty before" are they?
Even with that in mind it still makes him the best PK taker at our club by a long shot. We are lucky to get ours on target. Of course I could be cynical by saying that Tielemans had a good record before he rolled up to B6. How’s that gone?
I'm comfortable with the logic. Just uncomfortable with the phraseology of the lazy bastards whose facts you're quoting.
Unless they're your facts - in which case, fix your phraseology, you lazy bastard.
*wink*
Ha! Bloody fact checkers. Blame “Villa correspondent” John Townley. The Mail has gone right downhill.
https://x.com/johntownley11/status/1886162245148660136?s=46
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This hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
Yep so we’re backed to the thread etiquette - “signed” really should be once there’s official confirmation.
Hey…to make clear that wasn’t me. Fuck, the player thread brigade will be all over me again
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AI - deep fakery
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Oooooh Villa you teasing fuckers
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1886172757299167544?s=46
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OS just teasing a little vid.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/february/02/villa-announce-marcus-rashford-loan-signing/
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Fake photo shopped, obviously
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Now he's in the door I'm fully behind him . If he can recapture his best form he will be superb for us , linking up with Watkins .
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Official !
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/february/02/villa-announce-marcus-rashford-loan-signing/
Aston Villa is delighted to announce the loan signing of Marcus Rashford from Manchester United.
The England international, capped 60 times by the Three Lions, joins Villa on a deal until the end of the season.
Rashford has scored 138 goals in over 400 appearances having come through the ranks at Old Trafford and has lifted the Europa League, two FA Cups and two League Cups with his boyhood club.
The versatile forward, who can play anywhere along the front line, has also netted 17 goals in an England shirt and has represented his country at two World Cups and two European Championships.
Welcome, Marcus!
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ITS OFFICIAL
ON THE WEBSITE
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I wonder if they'll actually address any of the noise around him in his welcome stuff, or just leave it for the journalists to ask him about it if and when he faces the media?
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Good luck Marcus. You’ll find this club will love you if you work hard and get back to your best. You won’t want to go back to the circus you just left.
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Marcus Rashford has scored all 11 spot kicks he's taken since October 2019
I don't mean to quibble statistics, but I definitely remember a famous miss in the Euro 2020 final.
And while I'll happily accept it doesn't count as a goal if it's scored, they could definitely phrase it better so that it's not objectively wrong.
Nobody is ever going to go with "Gareth Southgate had never missed a penalty before" are they?
Even with that in mind it still makes him the best PK taker at our club by a long shot. We are lucky to get ours on target. Of course I could be cynical by saying that Tielemans had a good record before he rolled up to B6. How’s that gone?
I'm comfortable with the logic. Just uncomfortable with the phraseology of the lazy bastards whose facts you're quoting.
Unless they're your facts - in which case, fix your phraseology, you lazy bastard.
*wink*
Ha! Bloody fact checkers. Blame “Villa correspondent” John Townley. The Mail has gone right downhill.
https://x.com/johntownley11/status/1886162245148660136?s=46
I nearly did a fourth ever Twitter in 13 or so years to correct him. Then decided that life's too short for such things.
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He's posted the little video tease on his Instagram already too. Can't see if there's a caption.
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Now he's in the door I'm fully behind him . If he can recapture his best form he will be superb for us , linking up with Watkins .
Hahahahahahahahaha.
But such a shame is all such a fecking rush job eh ?
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Be amazing. Let's face it you can't do worse than the last left sided attacker we loaned.
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How extraordinarily bizarre to see Marcus Rashford in a Villa shirt.
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What can I say🤷🏽♂️ He’s here now and he will be wearing our colours so I hope he lights up Villa Park next Sunday (that is if he’s not cup tied)
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Aston Villa complete signing of Marcus Rashford on loan from Manchester United
Jacob Tanswell
Aston Villa have completed the signing of Marcus Rashford on loan from Manchester United.
The England international, 27, moves to the West Midlands club for the remainder of the season with Villa holding an option to make the move permanent for £40million (€47.8m, $49.5m) in the summer.
Villa will cover a minimum of three-quarters of his wages for the duration of his stay at Villa Park and up to 90 per cent depending on performance-based bonuses.
Rashford’s contract at Old Trafford — which runs until 2028 — puts him among the club’s top earners at more than £325,000 per week.
The pursuit of Rashford has been personally requested by Unai Emery with the Villa manager a huge admirer and of the belief he can help him recapture his best form.
Emery is an expert at rejuvenating footballers' careers - can he do it with Rashford?
Rashford has not played in United’s last 12 games in all competitions having initially been left out of the Manchester derby squad on December 15.
He was again absent as United beat Fulham in the Premier League last week before Amorim said he would rather play his 63-year-old goalkeeping coach, Jorge Vital, as a substitute than pick a player who wasn’t giving their all.
Rashford has not featured for United since the Europa League fixture against Viktoria Plzen on December 12. He has been included in a matchday squad just once since then — against Newcastle United, where he was an unused substitute.
He has been available for loan all month after he said in an interview in December he was “ready for a new challenge” with Barcelona, Milan and Borussia Dortmund among those interested around Europe.
He will now join a Villa side who are in the race for European qualification once again under Emery and are into the last 16 of the Champions League, where Rashford will be eligible to feature.
Rashford’s debut for his new club could come against Tottenham Hotspur in the FA Cup next Sunday or in the Premier League against Ipswich Town the following weekend.
Villa signed Donyell Malen from Borussia Dortmund earlier this month but have been looking at further attacking additions after Emi Buendia’s loan move to Bayer Leverkusen and the departure of Jhon Duran to Saudi Pro League side Al Nassr.
‘A chance to become a more valuable asset’
Analysis by The Athletic’s Manchester United correspondent Laurie Whitwell
United would traditionally be wary of sending a player to an English rival, fearful of the prospect of them performing well and making their difficulties at Old Trafford seem the fault of the club. Jesse Lingard’s loan to West Ham springs to mind.
But the new United regime is doing things differently and they are ready to sanction a Premier League exit now the money looks like making sense. Villa would be paying a significant portion of Rashford’s £325,000-a-week wages and committing to a buy option.
The appeal from a United perspective is that Rashford is so far out of the picture under Amorim that his salary is wasted cash. Recouping some of that at least boosts the bank balance and should Rashford reignite his form, then he becomes a more valuable asset to sell in the summer.
Villa’s place in the Champions League, and Rashford’s eligibility, presents the possibility of him reminding people he is capable of delivering on the biggest of stages. Rashford appears to have been persuaded of the appeal.
‘Emery believes he can rejuvenate Rashford’
Analysis by Aston Villa correspondent Jacob Tanswell
Villa have been aiming to strengthen in attacking areas following the departure of Buendia to Bayer Leverkusen and the sale of Jhon Duran to Al Nassr.
Versatility in the frontline appeals to Villa, with Emery wanting players that can cover multiple positions, both centrally and out-wide. Rashford will provide an alternative option to Ollie Watkins in the No 9 role and play on both flanks, with the right winger in Emery’s system tasked with making out-to-in runs and stretching opponents’ backline.
Emery has long held value in rejuvenating the careers of players — his interest in Marco Asensio and Joao Felix serve as illustrative examples — and believes he can do the same with Rashford.
The Spaniard has a reputation for forwards peaking under his tutelage and working with a player who can play out wide and in the inside channels has often been a cornerstone of his coaching.
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We've merited a Sky News alert. Not the sport website, the actual news site. Can't remember that with any of our signings before. Maybe Bowery?
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Right good luck Marcus, Monchi get a fucking centre-back in.
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This does not feel like an Unai type of transfer I really hope it goes well.
Well it is an Unai type signing because he has the final say on who comes and goes.
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I’m going to try to stay positive and dream it’s Rashford-Watkins-Rogers as an all Villa front three for England at the 2026 World Cup.
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Welcome to the best club in the world Marcus! You'll want to stay, so make sure you get back to your best quick smart otherwise well send you back to that shitshow!
UTV
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Happy to give him a fresh start - the circus of manu doesn’t mean much - they turn a lot of good players to crap - but he has to commit. It’s that simple - he wants it, he’s got talent, he doesn’t - a pup. I tend to think he’ll have a go - he’s 27 - no commentary history - he’s football institutionalised - won’t want to stop - and he’s not that old. The personal attitude to Villa will be interesting - might sting early action by not being united, but will being a Villa player have an effect on someone who was part of the greatest manu and team of the uk under fergie - he might just accept its downhill from now - I don’t know but we’re at the no one knows situation. I hope for the best and do think he’ll be net good.
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Looking at a Man U subreddit there to see their opinions now it's official. Most saying its upsetting to see him wearing any other team's kit. A few saying good riddance. Most seem to take the reasonable view that he couldn't stay and wish him luck. One person says its the equivalent of Amorim walking into the prison on his first day and punching the biggest guy there. Which made me chuckle, but I suspect there's something to that.
The funniest thing is there's a few of them convinced the leaked photo of him signing the contract proves it was him leaking their lineups.
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Now he's in the door I'm fully behind him . If he can recapture his best form he will be superb for us , linking up with Watkins .
Hahahahahahahahaha.
But such a shame is all such a fecking rush job eh ?
Dont see anything wrong with this post.
Welcome marcus !
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Right good luck Marcus, Monchi get a fucking centre-back in.
This. Welcome to the greatest club you'll ever play for and don't be shit for us.
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It’s put a smile on my face.
Do the business Marcus. Be great.
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I have seen a lot of these type comments
"Emery has long held value in rejuvenating the careers of players"
He has actually done it rather than just triedi it, right? right?
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Is that a list of enemies? Pretty sure I can see "Coopers Injury".
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Can he play in cup v Tottenham?
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Can he play in cup v Tottenham?
Yes. He hasn't played for Man U since December, I believe, so he won't have played in the cup.
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If someone told me 12 months ago rashford would be coming villa i would have thought you were insane. Unbelievable
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Can he play in cup v Tottenham?
Yes - but only at CB
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Marcus Rashford MBE (born 31 October 1997) is an English professional footballer who plays as a forward for Premier League club Aston Villa F.C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Rashford
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🚨 Marcus Rashford statement: “I would like to thank Manchester United and Aston Villa for making this loan deal happen”.
"I was lucky to have a few clubs approach me but Aston Villa was an easy decision - I really admire the way that Aston Villa have been playing this season, and the managers' ambitions”.
“I just want to play football and am excited to get started. I wish everyone at Manchester United all the best for the rest of the season”.
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If someone told me 12 months ago rashford would be coming villa i would have thought you were insane. Unbelievable
You’re happy with this?
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If someone told me 12 months ago rashford would be coming villa i would have thought you were insane. Unbelievable
You’re happy with this?
Happy or annoyed, its still kind of insane.
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If someone told me 12 months ago rashford would be coming villa i would have thought you were insane. Unbelievable
You’re happy with this?
He can’t be. He has been bellyaching about it since the story broke.
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Can he play CB?
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If someone told me 12 months ago rashford would be coming villa i would have thought you were insane. Unbelievable
Quote from: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 01:46:01 PM
The clubs officially lost it.
What a absolutely terrible idea. This is going to be a expensive disaster. Thank god its only a loan
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Aye I had that one lined up also.
So by unbelievable he must mean unbelievably bad. Unless he’s gone full 180 in the space of a day.
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News item on main BBC national news….well well well.
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I'm open-minded on this one.
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Probably one of the most bizarre Sundays for donkeys years watching this developing, roll on tomorrow. Who is the other team who wanted him but wouldn't pay the wages..??
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Aye I had that one lined up also.
So by unbelievable he must mean unbelievably bad. Unless he’s gone full 180 in the space of a day.
Genuinely pissing myself at the flip flopping in the space of 24hrs.
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Is it just the photo but he looks a stone over weight. Hopefully our fitness team can get him ready.
The media circus will be all over him
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He's looking, err, "healthy".
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He's looking, err, "healthy".
I thought homeless.
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Is it just the photo but he looks a stone over weight. Hopefully our fitness team can get him ready.
The media circus will be all over him
It’s probably you - you do have a bit of a thing about Man Utd.
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Man U fans are commenting on his appearance too. Even the ones wishing him well are saying he looks wrong. Hopefully he just needs a haircut and a shave.
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He's looking, err, "healthy".
I thought homeless.
Hahahaha
He does look a little disheveled.
Needs a hair cut and to stop eating all those school dinners.
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He'll be fine when he sobers up.
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I didn't want you here, but your here now, so.. you know, well done... Welcome!
But seriously, have a proper good go and become a hero, bet you'll love it here.
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It's that long commute he's just done to sign the contract. He really should stay in a hotel or something.
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It's that long commute he's just done to sign the contract. He really should stay in a hotel or something.
He looks like he stopped for a steak bake at every Greggs on the way down.
I hope we know what we're doing here.
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🚨 Marcus Rashford statement: “I would like to thank Manchester United and Aston Villa for making this loan deal happen”.
"I was lucky to have a few clubs approach me but Aston Villa was an easy decision - I really admire the way that Aston Villa have been playing this season, and the managers' ambitions”.
“I just want to play football and am excited to get started. I wish everyone at Manchester United all the best for the rest of the season”.
I mean, I've read more enthusiastic hostage statements! But who cares if he scores goals, I suppose.
Buh. A very strange deal, let's hope it works.
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I wish I could look as fat or unhealthy as him. Looks fine here.
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1886177130444181620?s=46
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🚨 Marcus Rashford statement: “I would like to thank Manchester United and Aston Villa for making this loan deal happen”.
"I was lucky to have a few clubs approach me but Aston Villa was an easy decision - I really admire the way that Aston Villa have been playing this season, and the managers' ambitions”.
“I just want to play football and am excited to get started. I wish everyone at Manchester United all the best for the rest of the season”.
They left off the bit about him focussing on Barcelona until it transpired they couldn’t afford him.
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He'll be fine when he sobers up.
The last Man Utd player we took on who had to sober up before he played did alright.
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Actually, he looks like he needs a bath as much as anything
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I wish I could look as fat or unhealthy as him. Looks fine here.
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1886177130444181620?s=46
Yeah, but you are not, and one assumes never have been, a top level athlete.
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"I really admire the way that Aston Villa have been playing this season”.
Hmm.
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I think the statement is a pr neutral one - just say something and move on - it’s not a point scoring situation - it’s says something he hasn’t said anything negative about united and also wants to play football - no one knows anything - so let’s find out
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Now he's in the door I'm fully behind him . If he can recapture his best form he will be superb for us , linking up with Watkins .
Hahahahahahahahaha.
But such a shame is all such a fecking rush job eh ?
Get some kip , school tomorrow.
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I wish I could look as fat or unhealthy as him. Looks fine here.
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1886177130444181620?s=46
Yeah, but you are not, and one assumes never have been, a top level athlete.
I don’t need to be a top level athlete to see he doesn’t look fat.
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Putting all reservations aside, there's undeniably a little frisson at seeing such a big-name player stretching the Villa shirt.
And I must admit there's more than a smidgen of satisfaction too, at us now having two players representing us who have come in for unwarranted criticism, merely for having the temerity to be black men unafraid to speak up for the values they believe in. I think that's something we can be proud of.
Welcome Marcus. I hope you do brilliantly.
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"I really admire the way that Aston Villa have been playing this season”.
Hmm.
He’s only watched us at home then I take it!
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"I really admire the way that Aston Villa have been playing this season”.
Hmm.
He’s only watched us at home then I take it!
From the comfort of his luxury armchair.
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Putting all reservations aside, there's undeniably a little frisson at seeing such a big-name player stretching the Villa shirt.
And I must admit there's more than a smidgen of satisfaction too, at us now having two players representing us who have come in for unwarranted criticism, merely for having the temerity to be black men unafraid to speak up for the values they believe in. I think that's something we can be proud of.
Welcome Marcus. I hope you do brilliantly.
Well said
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How extraordinarily bizarre to see Marcus Rashford in a Villa shirt.
Isnt it just and I think he will be alright here.
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I wish I could look as fat or unhealthy as him. Looks fine here.
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1886177130444181620?s=46
Yeah, but you are not, and one assumes never have been, a top level athlete.
I don’t need to be a top level athlete to see he doesn’t look fat.
He looks absolutely fine to me. I expect he's had an unusually busy day today which would explain his slightly dishevelled appearance.
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This is a good signing. If he wasn't motivated to play he'd have stayed there and raked in the cash.
Instead he's shown ambition, wants to improve himself by going to a big club that's going places, and won't have to disrupt his life getting settled. Just needs to remember which way to turn out of his drive in the morning.
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Welcome Marcus. Please be great.
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Don't be shit. Or a twat.
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Don't be shit. Or a twat.
Or both.
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Well he's here now so time to hit the ground running and get us progressing through the FA Cup and back up the league.
No pressure then Marcus. Good luck!
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Don't be shit. Or a twat.
Seconded - especially my biggest fear that he also acts like Billy big bollocks
This is a huge opportunity for him and he must know, fuck this up and its over
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Has he ever acted a Billy Big Bollocks?
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His head appears very small. And he looks like he's chewing a toffee.
Get him gone!
Edit: I thought I was referring to his appearance jokingly, then I read the last few pages and realised some people genuinely are.
He looks perfectly fine to me. Good luck Marcus.
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Don't think so. Hopefully more of a McGrath than a Coutinho.
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a huge step up for him joining a top four club in the final stages of the CL
I think he will rise to the challenge
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His head appears very small. And he looks like he's chewing a toffee.
Get him gone!
Compared to us Irish, everyone's head appears small.
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Just noticing that he's covering up some of the letters in the club's name, there. Arsenal must always have to be really careful where they position players/photographers when they do transfer announcements. And as for Scunthorpe...
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I wonder how many more negatives we can come up with, as a collective.
Panic buy
Too much baggage
Doesn’t train well
Doesn’t track back
Too much money
Too high wages
Won’t relocate
Looks overweight
Billy big bollocks
Oh, and he’s got a fucking big nose.
Welcome to Aston Villa, Marcus.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjdejvxvk29o
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I think the statement is a pr neutral one - just say something and move on - it’s not a point scoring situation - it’s says something he hasn’t said anything negative about united and also wants to play football - no one knows anything - so let’s find out
Exactly this. They'll know there's people out there just waiting to twist anything he says or dies now, so giving them as little as possible is the correct choice.
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His head appears very small. And he looks like he's chewing a toffee.
Get him gone!
Compared to us Irish, everyone's head appears small.
Haha, you have a point!
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Whether his reputation is true or not, I don't think, because of preconceptions, that he will be given much leeway by our fans (and would be the same pretty much anywhere in this country). It's harsh, but I think he's going to have to do pretty well quite quickly. Hopefully this happens!
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Emery is going to have a job on his hands moulding Watkins, Rogers, Ramsey, Rashford, Malen and Asensio (if we sign him) in to a unit. I don't think there's a middle ground here. We are going to either fire or look rusty. Maybe we've given up defending and will try and win 4-3. If this works we could have the most exciting end to a season in a long time.
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you cant give it the billy big bollocks when you have a world cup winner in your team.
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Let us be honest here if he didn't have 'issues' we wouldn't have a cat in hells chance of signing him. Bottom line is he is a top class player and for once I am glad the next time I see him playing he will be playing for the best club in the world and NOT against us! UTV
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If he hits it off with Watkins it could be a masterstroke, Ollie + Ings / Ollie + Duran never came off. I think he gives us options formation wise, at some stage I can see us try 442 if Unai sees fit.
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I reckon I've missed all this evidence of him having an attitude problem. Maybe because I don't pay much interest to football outside of B6.
The first I heard of him being a trouble-maker was when the Man Utd manager started talking to the press about it this season. Sounded to me a bit like the Gerrard/Tyrone situation, which was a case of a manager forcing his ego on his players - unnecessarily and in public.
Do we know he has previously had an attitude problem? Or are we taking it at face value because it was claimed by a manager of Man Utd - a man who, by virtue of his position, *must* be a twat?
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Strange signing, even on the short term deal. How long will it take him to get up to speed given that he's not had a game since December? His golden 30 goal season was 2 years ago and since then, he's done pretty much fuck all except fall out with managers, sulk and by all accounts, failed to train properly. It's a baffling, expensive gamble and has me worried seeing that he'll be our only proper back up for Watkins.
I hope I'm wrong, I really do.
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Whether his reputation is true or not, I don't think, because of preconceptions, that he will be given much leeway by our fans (and would be the same pretty much anywhere in this country). It's harsh, but I think he's going to have to do pretty well quite quickly. Hopefully this happens!
He’ll certainly have my full support whilst he wears a Villa shirt and puts the effort in. The one thing I think he does have going is that everything he does well will be two fingers up to the Manchester reds. I think that alone will give him goodwill factor.
It’s a massive opportunity for him and probably his last big chance with a manager who will be ‘demanding’ (Emery trademark) but will also try and nurture the person as well as the professional. He can have little excuse not to succeed here.
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I got to thinking the other day, after Grealish left we did not have one player in our squad that any of the top sides would want. Now look at us, we have many players that would fetch over fifty million on the market. To have Rashford with all the reservations agree to come to us speaks volumes of where we're at. We are still a work in progress and have disappointments but we are still within range of the top five. Hope he does well and we should all get behind him.
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Low risk, welcome Marcus, please be brilliant.
PS. Not a good photo, I agree. He looks like Maatsen after 3 rounds in the ring with peak Tyson.
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Strange signing, even on the short term deal. How long will it take him to get up to speed given that he's not had a game since December? His golden 30 goal season was 2 years ago and since then, he's done pretty much fuck all except fall out with managers, sulk and by all accounts, failed to train properly. It's a baffling, expensive gamble and has me worried seeing that he'll be our only proper back up for Watkins.
I hope I'm wrong, I really do.
See the BBC article linked earlier, which says sources inside the club say he's been training well. No idea what Amorim's beef with him is but it seems to be his word against others there.
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Just imagine if we had the internet when we signed a crocked player with a drink problem from Man Utd.
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Five years and two days between Rashford and Baston. It’s a wild ride if nothing else - enjoy it.
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I got to thinking the other day, after Grealish left we did not have one player in our squad that any of the top sides would want.
Surely Martinez?
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One thing that isn't to do with the press shit stirring is the effort he gives on the pitch, and I have definitely witnessed him down tools in the last season or so. Hopefully he works harder in a better, more suitable environment.
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Emery is going to have a job on his hands moulding Watkins, Rogers, Ramsey, Rashford, Malen and Asensio (if we sign him) in to a unit. I don't think there's a middle ground here. We are going to either fire or look rusty. Maybe we've given up defending and will try and win 4-3. If this works we could have the most exciting end to a season in a long time.
I think Rashford will be Duran's replacement really. If all are fit we could be looking at Ramsey / Rogers on the left, Tielemans / Rogers / Malen in the the 'number 10 role', Watkins / Rashford as the central striker and Asensio / Bailey on the right.
There is obviously scope for players to interchange positions there, but that's where I see everyone fitting in.
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May 25th will be interesting at least.
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He won't be eligible to play.
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He won't be eligible to play.
damn was hoping he would score to send them down :)
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May 25th will be interesting at least.
We'll be resting him ahead of the Champions League Final. Best for all involved.
*Plus he'd be ineligible to play.
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He won't be eligible to play.
damn was hoping he would score to send them down :)
They would need a points deduction to even be close to going down the way the teams below them are.
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Henry Winter absolutely nails it in that article (page 37), his first line summing up perfectly the situation. It's worth remembering Winter's was the journalist Rashford did his big interview with last month where he claimed he wanted a "new challenge".
'Aston Villa offers a fantastic relaunching opportunity for Marcus Rashford if he responds to Unai Emery’s demands in and out of possession'.
Amorim couldn't get him working out of possession, Rashford needs to realise it's Villa who are doing HIM a favour and Unai expects hard work from all players. Deliver and he will have a lot of people asking questions about Amorim; fail and you'll be finished and will end up at West Ham or Everton if you're lucky.
Fresh start. Give absolutely everything and enjoy your football.
Good luck, Marcus though luck will have very little to do with your success.
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If he hits it off with Watkins it could be a masterstroke, Ollie + Ings / Ollie + Duran never came off. I think he gives us options formation wise, at some stage I can see us try 442 if Unai sees fit.
I thought 442 is the only system Emery DOES play! Slot said so and he's a better manager.
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Unai Emery improves players – rebuilding Marcus Rashford should be a simple task
England international needs a reboot as he approaches his peak years and now finds himself working with a manager fit for the task
John Percy
02 February 2025 10:07pm GMT
Six years ago to this day, Aston Villa were battling out a 0-0 draw with Reading in the Championship. Now, under the spell of Unai Emery, they are signing Marcus Rashford who has opted to leave Manchester United because his new club can offer Champions League football.
These are heady times at Villa Park and the arrival of Rashford is further evidence of the transformational effect Emery has had on this historic club. Rashford has joined on an initial loan deal until the end of the season, with an option for Villa to sign the England international permanently for £40 million.
It is a huge investment from Villa, who are paying around 75 per cent of his wages which are understood to be £325,000 a week. It is also something of a gamble, despite Rashford’s past achievements and impressive CV with United and England.
The Rashford of 2025 needs a reboot. His reputation has been damaged by the past 12 months at United, where he has gone from being the club’s poster boy and homegrown star to an emblem of their malaise. It had even got to a stage where Rashford was booed by his own fans.
Ruben Amorim, the United manager, has made it perfectly clear that he has no future under him. His application in training has been in question – and that is one thing Emery will never tolerate.
What will Villa be getting from a player who will be 28 in October? He should be approaching his peak years, and if anybody can revive his Premier League career, it will be Villa’s manager. He has developed and improved so many players over the years that rebuilding Rashford should be a simple task.
You only have to consider the progress of Morgan Rogers over the past six months to realise that Emery’s best work is on the training pitches at Bodymoor Heath. He is incredibly meticulous and demanding. Video analysis will be at the forefront, and lengthy team meetings.
Rashford unquestionably has the ability and talent to emerge from a year of drift. Perhaps he just needs a change of scenery after so many months of underachievement at Old Trafford
Inevitably there will be huge scrutiny and pressure. There will also be questions over what position Rashford plays.
Though Ollie Watkins was taken off at half-time in the defeat at Wolves on Saturday with a muscle injury, he is expected to return soon.
Watkins has been employed as a lone forward in a fluid 4-3-3 formation, and the difficulty in playing both him and Jhon Durán together was a constant concern.
Durán departed last week for Saudi Arabia, in a £65 million move to Al-Nassr, and the view is that Emery clearly backed Watkins over the Colombian.
Career in desperate need of positive publicity
Rashford is likely to be utilised out wide, either on the left or right. He has played there before, and the freedom Emery allows his attacking players should liberate him. The prospect of Watkins, Rashford and Rogers playing together will be exciting for Emery. And that is before you even consider other attacking options such as Donyell Malen, Jacob Ramsey, Leon Bailey and, perhaps, Paris St-Germain’s Marco Asensio.
Rashford will need patience at first. He has not featured for United since a Europa League tie against Viktoria Plzen on December 12.
While he still harbours hopes of an England recall, the prospect of Champions League football at Villa will be a major incentive behind his move. Villa do not return to their European excursions until early March, when they play in the round of 16. By that time, we will know how the latest chapter in Rashford’s story is panning out.
Emery needs this to work, as Villa seek a spark to jump-start the second half of their season. They have won only two of their last seven league games and, at the moment, a top-four finish appears a stretch.
Rashford will hopefully realise that Villa are offering him a huge opportunity here. He needs to grab it. It is nowhere near the last-chance saloon, but his career desperately needs some positive publicity.
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It will be interesting to see how he does, I am surprised that we signed him but now he is here I do hope he is brilliant.
But it will be down to Rashford to show that he still wants and has the desire to play in the premier league, for a club that has aspirations to be amongst the top 4/5 this season and win the FA Cup!
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I reckon I've missed all this evidence of him having an attitude problem. Maybe because I don't pay much interest to football outside of B6.
The first I heard of him being a trouble-maker was when the Man Utd manager started talking to the press about it this season. Sounded to me a bit like the Gerrard/Tyrone situation, which was a case of a manager forcing his ego on his players - unnecessarily and in public.
Do we know he has previously had an attitude problem? Or are we taking it at face value because it was claimed by a manager of Man Utd - a man who, by virtue of his position, *must* be a twat?
This is exactly where I am.
Despite the wall to wall media coverage of Yanited on a daily basis, I must admit that I all I hear generally is the fact they are shit, their stadium is shit, their manager is shit and their owners are shit.
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Try before you buy is a good deal, a change of club could be a blessing for him.
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Welcome Marcus. I don’t care much for anything ManU but in his prime as a player he was unstoppable. Saying that, he should be in his prime now, hopefully we can rekindle his obvious talent. As a person, he’s first class from what I’ve read and heard.
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If someone told me 12 months ago rashford would be coming villa i would have thought you were insane. Unbelievable
You’re happy with this?
Not really but he will get my 100 backing now he has signed. Hopefully he will give us the same on pitch and has a point to prove. He looks like he has put a little bit of timber which i guess is natural having not played much football. Would be suprised if he starts vs spurs. Bench at best
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Looks like he bites his nails. Must be a nervous wreck.
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I'm happy if Unai's happy.
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If someone told me 12 months ago rashford would be coming villa i would have thought you were insane. Unbelievable
You’re happy with this?
Not really but he will get my 100 backing now he has signed. Hopefully he will give us the same on pitch and has a point to prove. He looks like he has put a little bit of timber which i guess is natural having not played much football. Would be suprised if he starts vs spurs. Bench at best
Put on a bit of timber? I very much doubt that mate. He hasn't been injured and hasn't missed training as far as I know so while he may be not quite match fit having not played for the last month or so he will be in peak physical condition. Some of the crap being written about him on this thread is laughable. I believe he's about to ram the words of his detractors from Manchester down their throats and it will be great to see.
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The only 'timber' I can see is on his shoulders and arms, and it's solid oak.
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Is Rashford eligible to play for us in the CL? Likewise Asensio?
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Is Rashford eligible to play for us in the CL? Likewise Asensio?
Yes.
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Everyone we sign this window is eligible, whether they will be registered to play is up in the air being as we only have three slots.
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I'm assuming he will be having 9 or 10 shirt.
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Interesting he says he is only here for a short time. Not” I hope to prove myself and hopefully sign permanently in the summer “
Oh well. I hope he gets his career back and track and scores loads. Even if ifs a short term thing.
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Interesting he says he is only here for a short time. Not” I hope to prove myself and hopefully sign permanently in the summer “
Difficult to say that when you’re owned by a different club.
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According to John Townley the highest paid player is Martinez on £150k a week - I would imagine both our new loan signings will be on far more than that.
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Unai does like a project doesn't he? Probably what brought him to try with Zaniolo, who's so similar to Asensio it's a little spooky (physical versatile leftfooted attacker who hasn't been the same since the injury). Obviously, Zaniolo didn't work out.
Rashford's a different level though, both in risk and reward. Nothing in the world would make me happier than him being awesome, scoring a bunch and being all-round excellent, and making that £40m look a steal and Man Utd even more a bunch of mugs than they do now.
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Interesting he says he is only here for a short time. Not” I hope to prove myself and hopefully sign permanently in the summer “
Oh well. I hope he gets his career back and track and scores loads. Even if ifs a short term thing.
Whilst I have my concerns about the deal, this isn't one of them. He might well be going back after the loan, he'd be daft to burn any bridges with ManU.
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Interesting he says he is only here for a short time. Not” I hope to prove myself and hopefully sign permanently in the summer “
Oh well. I hope he gets his career back and track and scores loads. Even if ifs a short term thing.
I don't blame him for that, it is only a loan. He's got the right attitude, which is to do the best he can in the short time he's here. Everything else will take care of itself from there.
I assume he's not cup-tied for the FA cup, given he hasn't been in Amorim's match day squads?
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No, not cup tied.
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Interesting he says he is only here for a short time. Not” I hope to prove myself and hopefully sign permanently in the summer “
Oh well. I hope he gets his career back and track and scores loads. Even if ifs a short term thing.
I don't think we can expect him to say otherwise, if it doesn't work out he has to go back and deal with the fans there. We have an option, and I am sure we would take it if it goes well.
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Unai does like a project doesn't he? Probably what brought him to try with Zaniolo, who's so similar to Asensio it's a little spooky (physical versatile leftfooted attacker who hasn't been the same since the injury).
Rashford's a different level though, both in risk and reward. Nothing in the world would make me happier than him being awesome, scoring a bunch and being all-round excellent, and making that £40m look a steal and Man Utd even more a bunch of mugs than they do now.
There is a sweetspot for Rashford's performances for us in the next four months, where he's good enough for us that we DO want to sign him for £40m, but where he's not SO good that there will be others willing the pay the same who might be a little more attractive (I'm thinking Barcelona and a few others).
Of course, if he's incredible, and goes to Barca (or similar) in the summer, it'll be annoying, but at least we'll have the memory of some brilliant performances for us.
If he's not great, then he'll go back to Man U and we'll write it off as a bad loan (it won't be our first, or last).
Ideally we want him to be good, but not TOO good.
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A quick aside, Zaniolo's loan fee was about £100k a week while he was with us (£4.25m over 10 months). So in that context, paying 70% of Rashford's wages, but NO loan fee, actually doesn't look too bad at all.
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Unai does like a project doesn't he? Probably what brought him to try with Zaniolo, who's so similar to Asensio it's a little spooky (physical versatile leftfooted attacker who hasn't been the same since the injury). Obviously, Zaniolo didn't work out.
Rashford's a different level though, both in risk and reward. Nothing in the world would make me happier than him being awesome, scoring a bunch and being all-round excellent, and making that £40m look a steal and Man Utd even more a bunch of mugs than they do now.
That's it, in a nutshell.
If it doesn't work we've lost what we pay in wages, no big deal, but on the other had, if it does we've picked up a world class forward for a relatively small fee and made them look like the twats they are.
And we now have two players that have won an actual FA Cup.
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Unai does like a project doesn't he? Probably what brought him to try with Zaniolo, who's so similar to Asensio it's a little spooky (physical versatile leftfooted attacker who hasn't been the same since the injury).
Rashford's a different level though, both in risk and reward. Nothing in the world would make me happier than him being awesome, scoring a bunch and being all-round excellent, and making that £40m look a steal and Man Utd even more a bunch of mugs than they do now.
There is a sweetspot for Rashford's performances for us in the next four months, where he's good enough for us that we DO want to sign him for £40m, but where he's not SO good that there will be others willing the pay the same who might be a little more attractive (I'm thinking Barcelona and a few others).
Of course, if he's incredible, and goes to Barca (or similar) in the summer, it'll be annoying, but at least we'll have the memory of some brilliant performances for us.
If he's not great, then he'll go back to Man U and we'll write it off as a bad loan (it won't be our first, or last).
Ideally we want him to be good, but not TOO good.
If he is that good that Barcelona want him surely we would trigger the £40m clause and sell him on for £100m? The best thing for us is for him to be a good as possible.
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Interesting he says he is only here for a short time. Not” I hope to prove myself and hopefully sign permanently in the summer “
Oh well. I hope he gets his career back and track and scores loads. Even if ifs a short term thing.
I don't blame him for that, it is only a loan. He's got the right attitude, which is to do the best he can in the short time he's here. Everything else will take care of itself from there.
I assume he's not cup-tied for the FA cup, given he hasn't been in Amorim's match day squads?
Correct.
And given Emery's previous form with the FA Cup, I reckon it's easy to see him and Malen chucked straight in against Spurs to give Ollie a rest.
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To be honest, if he's that good and he turns his career around here a) we'd surely execute the buyout and b) he'd want to stay and work with the man that's helped him do it.
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I suppose being realistic, all involved in pro football have an ego, only they can get the 'waifs and strays' back on the road to redemption where all others have failed.
DS thought he could do it with Drinkwater, there will be other examples, some successful.
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Unai does like a project doesn't he? Probably what brought him to try with Zaniolo, who's so similar to Asensio it's a little spooky (physical versatile leftfooted attacker who hasn't been the same since the injury).
Rashford's a different level though, both in risk and reward. Nothing in the world would make me happier than him being awesome, scoring a bunch and being all-round excellent, and making that £40m look a steal and Man Utd even more a bunch of mugs than they do now.
There is a sweetspot for Rashford's performances for us in the next four months, where he's good enough for us that we DO want to sign him for £40m, but where he's not SO good that there will be others willing the pay the same who might be a little more attractive (I'm thinking Barcelona and a few others).
Of course, if he's incredible, and goes to Barca (or similar) in the summer, it'll be annoying, but at least we'll have the memory of some brilliant performances for us.
If he's not great, then he'll go back to Man U and we'll write it off as a bad loan (it won't be our first, or last).
Ideally we want him to be good, but not TOO good.
If he is that good that Barcelona want him surely we would trigger the £40m clause and sell him on for £100m? The best thing for us is for him to be a good as possible.
I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think that's how buy-options work. Man Utd have to accept our offer of £40m IF we make one, but they can also accept other offers too, and then it would be up to the player.
All we've done is agree the fee if we want him in the summer. It's also possible we've agreed wages with Rashford, but I would be STUNNED if he is now legally obliged to sign for us if we trigger the £40m buy clause.
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Unai does like a project doesn't he? Probably what brought him to try with Zaniolo, who's so similar to Asensio it's a little spooky (physical versatile leftfooted attacker who hasn't been the same since the injury).
Rashford's a different level though, both in risk and reward. Nothing in the world would make me happier than him being awesome, scoring a bunch and being all-round excellent, and making that £40m look a steal and Man Utd even more a bunch of mugs than they do now.
There is a sweetspot for Rashford's performances for us in the next four months, where he's good enough for us that we DO want to sign him for £40m, but where he's not SO good that there will be others willing the pay the same who might be a little more attractive (I'm thinking Barcelona and a few others).
Of course, if he's incredible, and goes to Barca (or similar) in the summer, it'll be annoying, but at least we'll have the memory of some brilliant performances for us.
If he's not great, then he'll go back to Man U and we'll write it off as a bad loan (it won't be our first, or last).
Ideally we want him to be good, but not TOO good.
If he is that good that Barcelona want him surely we would trigger the £40m clause and sell him on for £100m? The best thing for us is for him to be a good as possible.
I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think that's how buy-options work. Man Utd have to accept our offer of £40m IF we make one, but they can also accept other offers too, and then it would be up to the player.
All we've done is agree the fee if we want him in the summer. It's also possible we've agreed wages with Rashford, but I would be STUNNED if he is now legally obliged to sign for us if we trigger the £40m buy clause.
As far as I understand it, both are possible. We had a binding buyback clause with Philogene last summer, for instance. No idea what the nature of this deal is, but regardless we need him ripping it up and restoring his value.
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Unai does like a project doesn't he? Probably what brought him to try with Zaniolo, who's so similar to Asensio it's a little spooky (physical versatile leftfooted attacker who hasn't been the same since the injury).
Rashford's a different level though, both in risk and reward. Nothing in the world would make me happier than him being awesome, scoring a bunch and being all-round excellent, and making that £40m look a steal and Man Utd even more a bunch of mugs than they do now.
There is a sweetspot for Rashford's performances for us in the next four months, where he's good enough for us that we DO want to sign him for £40m, but where he's not SO good that there will be others willing the pay the same who might be a little more attractive (I'm thinking Barcelona and a few others).
Of course, if he's incredible, and goes to Barca (or similar) in the summer, it'll be annoying, but at least we'll have the memory of some brilliant performances for us.
If he's not great, then he'll go back to Man U and we'll write it off as a bad loan (it won't be our first, or last).
Ideally we want him to be good, but not TOO good.
The better he is the better for us, the rest is semantics.
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I think the important thing is to remember that pretty much the only way Man Utd get him back is if he's shit, which is funny in itself.
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I think this is a low-risk, high-reward situation for us. For him it's different, fail and that'll be him almost certainly done.
His goals and assists record is good, and the shit show that ManU are isn't his fault. We have a strong dressing room, proven talent and are 8th in the Premier League and Champions League. We have a brilliant manager and support network.
If it doesn't work here, it won't work anywhere.
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Unai does like a project doesn't he? Probably what brought him to try with Zaniolo, who's so similar to Asensio it's a little spooky (physical versatile leftfooted attacker who hasn't been the same since the injury).
Rashford's a different level though, both in risk and reward. Nothing in the world would make me happier than him being awesome, scoring a bunch and being all-round excellent, and making that £40m look a steal and Man Utd even more a bunch of mugs than they do now.
There is a sweetspot for Rashford's performances for us in the next four months, where he's good enough for us that we DO want to sign him for £40m, but where he's not SO good that there will be others willing the pay the same who might be a little more attractive (I'm thinking Barcelona and a few others).
Of course, if he's incredible, and goes to Barca (or similar) in the summer, it'll be annoying, but at least we'll have the memory of some brilliant performances for us.
If he's not great, then he'll go back to Man U and we'll write it off as a bad loan (it won't be our first, or last).
Ideally we want him to be good, but not TOO good.
If he is that good that Barcelona want him surely we would trigger the £40m clause and sell him on for £100m? The best thing for us is for him to be a good as possible.
I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think that's how buy-options work. Man Utd have to accept our offer of £40m IF we make one, but they can also accept other offers too, and then it would be up to the player.
All we've done is agree the fee if we want him in the summer. It's also possible we've agreed wages with Rashford, but I would be STUNNED if he is now legally obliged to sign for us if we trigger the £40m buy clause.
As far as I understand it, both are possible. We had a binding buyback clause with Philogene last summer, for instance. No idea what the nature of this deal is, but regardless we need him ripping it up and restoring his value.
That wasn't "binding" on the player though, he could have chosen Ipswich last summer if he wanted to. But Philgene chose to come back to us.
There ARE binding buy options, like Archer going to Sheff Utd and coming back if they were relegated, where fee, wages etc all agreed up front - but that's not what the Rashford deal is, as I understand it.
Like I said, I would LOVE it if he HAD to sign for us in the summer if we trigger the buy-clause, but that would be stunningly naive on the part of Man Utd, and all the agents involved.
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I think the important thing is to remember that pretty much the only way Man Utd get him back is if he's shit, which is funny in itself.
Or another manager.
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I think the important thing is to remember that pretty much the only way Man Utd get him back is if he's shit, which is funny in itself.
Or another manager.
No, I think he's just doing the clubs bidding, they want to get rid of him (and Casimero) so they can get a grip on the wage bill and not pay other players so much.
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I think this is a low-risk, high-reward situation for us. For him it's different, fail and that'll be him almost certainly done.
His goals and assists record is good, and the shit show that ManU are isn't his fault. We have a strong dressing room, proven talent and are 8th in the Premier League and Champions League. We have a brilliant manager and support network.
If it doesn't work here, it won't work anywhere.
He also will have trained with most of (if not all of) Watkins, Barkley, Mings, Konsa and Rogers when on England duty. That's half a team he has already played with. He has been taking extra training sessions to stay fit and will be pumped up to shove all the critics from Man Utd words down their throats.
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Which two former Villa players have managed Rashford? One is obvious, the other not so much.
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Presumably Gareth Southgate is the obvious one. Someone who managed him in the England u17s or some such?
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I think the important thing is to remember that pretty much the only way Man Utd get him back is if he's shit, which is funny in itself.
Or another manager.
No, I think he's just doing the clubs bidding, they want to get rid of him (and Casimero) so they can get a grip on the wage bill and not pay other players so much.
Yep, this rings true, particularly given the comments that he's training fine. It feels very much like they fucked up with giving out some huge contracts and are desperately trying to clean things up.
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If someone told me 12 months ago rashford would be coming villa i would have thought you were insane. Unbelievable
You’re happy with this?
Not really but he will get my 100 backing now he has signed. Hopefully he will give us the same on pitch and has a point to prove. He looks like he has put a little bit of timber which i guess is natural having not played much football. Would be suprised if he starts vs spurs. Bench at best
Put on a bit of timber? I very much doubt that mate. He hasn't been injured and hasn't missed training as far as I know so while he may be not quite match fit having not played for the last month or so he will be in peak physical condition. Some of the crap being written about him on this thread is laughable. I believe he's about to ram the words of his detractors from Manchester down their throats and it will be great to see.
Its hard to tell from photos as ot could angles and shit. But his face looks a bit rounder. I dont want to comment on it unril we see in training.
Hope your right buddy and he is in peak cpndition ready to play games as we need him!
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Presumably Gareth Southgate is the obvious one. Someone who managed him in the England u17s or some such?
Yes to both.
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Which two former Villa players have managed Rashford? One is obvious, the other not so much.
Southgate and I was going to go controversial with Noel Blake, but I don't they overlapped when Blake was England u19 coach.
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Not Blake.
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I dont want to comment on it unril we see in training.
Thank god you haven’t already commented on it then.
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Presumably Gareth Southgate is the obvious one. Someone who managed him in the England u17s or some such?
Yes to both.
Having just done a bit of Googling, obvious, "not so much" is very much the understatement.
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It's a pretty well known player. Unless you have found someone very obscure that managed Man U under-13s and messed my stat up.
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Not Blake.
Kenny Swain?
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I dont want to comment on it unril we see in training.
Thank god you haven’t already commented on it then.
Thanks for the pointless comment
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Steve Froggatt?
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Not Blake.
Kenny Swain?
We have a winner.
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It's a pretty well known player. Unless you have found someone very obscure that managed Man U under-13s and messed my stat up.
Sure, just had no idea he did anything in the England child setup.
Although it was clearly obvious enough to LeeB
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I was going to guess Dwight Yorke, because I thought he had some coaching role at Manchester Utd.
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It's not impossible. But if he did, it ruins my question so shush. 🙂
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I find it really hard to come up with reasons not to like signing a 27-year-old who's won a couple of FA Cups, a couple of League Cups, a Uefa Cup, has a 1-in-3 scoring rate across 10 seasons at the top end of the Premier League and in Europe, a 1-in-3 from 60 caps and done it all at a club where the spotlight is at its most intrusive and while that club gradually sinks in its own ego-fuelled ridiculousness.
I could cling to "sources say" space-fillers targeting a high profile celeb who refuses to wind his neck in on issues guaranteed to redden gammons, but all told I reckon I'm OVERTHEFUCKINGMOON at this signing. And I'm sure Villa will lend him the flat in The Mailbox if there are roadworks on the M6 in Staffordshire.
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I find it really hard to come up with reasons not to like signing a 27-year-old who's won a couple of FA Cups, a couple of League Cups, a Uefa Cup, has a 1-in-3 scoring rate across 10 seasons at the top end of the Premier League and in Europe, a 1-in-3 from 60 caps and done it all at a club where the spotlight is at its most intrusive and while that club gradually sinks in its own ego-fuelled ridiculousness.
I could cling to "sources say" space-fillers targeting a high profile celeb who refuses to wind his neck in on issues guaranteed to redden gammons, but all told I reckon I'm OVERTHEFUCKINGMOON at this signing. And I'm sure Villa will lend him the flat in The Mailbox if there are roadworks on the M6 in Staffordshire.
I agree with Simon Page.
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I agree with Simon Page and Sexual Ealing.
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I find it really hard to come up with reasons not to like signing a 27-year-old who's won a couple of FA Cups, a couple of League Cups, a Uefa Cup, has a 1-in-3 scoring rate across 10 seasons at the top end of the Premier League and in Europe, a 1-in-3 from 60 caps and done it all at a club where the spotlight is at its most intrusive and while that club gradually sinks in its own ego-fuelled ridiculousness.
I could cling to "sources say" space-fillers targeting a high profile celeb who refuses to wind his neck in on issues guaranteed to redden gammons, but all told I reckon I'm OVERTHEFUCKINGMOON at this signing. And I'm sure Villa will lend him the flat in The Mailbox if there are roadworks on the M6 in Staffordshire.
I wish I were so eloquent.
I completey agree.
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I find it really hard to come up with reasons not to like signing a 27-year-old who's won a couple of FA Cups, a couple of League Cups, a Uefa Cup, has a 1-in-3 scoring rate across 10 seasons at the top end of the Premier League and in Europe, a 1-in-3 from 60 caps and done it all at a club where the spotlight is at its most intrusive and while that club gradually sinks in its own ego-fuelled ridiculousness.
I could cling to "sources say" space-fillers targeting a high profile celeb who refuses to wind his neck in on issues guaranteed to redden gammons, but all told I reckon I'm OVERTHEFUCKINGMOON at this signing. And I'm sure Villa will lend him the flat in The Mailbox if there are roadworks on the M6 in Staffordshire.
When was the last time there wasn't roadworks on the M6 in Staffs? With all the alterations for the HS2 around the north of the area we should also sort him an apartment out at the Belfrey.
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Don't make him hang around with golfers. No-one deserves that.
Except Steve Hodge.
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I thought the club had built/were building some accommodation at Bodymoor Heath anyway?
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I find it really hard to come up with reasons not to like signing a 27-year-old who's won a couple of FA Cups, a couple of League Cups, a Uefa Cup, has a 1-in-3 scoring rate across 10 seasons at the top end of the Premier League and in Europe, a 1-in-3 from 60 caps and done it all at a club where the spotlight is at its most intrusive and while that club gradually sinks in its own ego-fuelled ridiculousness.
I could cling to "sources say" space-fillers targeting a high profile celeb who refuses to wind his neck in on issues guaranteed to redden gammons, but all told I reckon I'm OVERTHEFUCKINGMOON at this signing. And I'm sure Villa will lend him the flat in The Mailbox if there are roadworks on the M6 in Staffordshire.
When was the last time there wasn't roadworks on the M6 in Staffs? With all the alterations for the HS2 around the north of the area we should also sort him an apartment out at the Belfrey.
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More Man Utd related than Villa, but still:
The Manchester United manager would find it neither “humiliating” nor “embarrassing” if Marcus Rashford were to rediscover his form and self at Aston Villa. After losing five of his nine home games so far it could be safely assumed that Amorim can simply no longer feel shame of any kind.
A Rashford renaissance would at the very least make for an unpleasant juxtaposition with his biggest of myriad problems. Only Leicester, Everton, Ipswich and Southampton have scored fewer Premier League goals than Manchester United this season and just Everton can be added to that number if looking specifically since Amorim’s appointment; he has done nothing to address their most glaring issue, and arguably exacerbated it.
He has tried to rectify things. On Sunday alone he sanctioned the exit of the 13th-highest scorer in the club’s history on the same day he named a midfielder as centre-forward for another goalless defeat after dropping almost £110m of centre-forward signings to the bench, all while a player purchased for £82m (Antony) put in a man-of-the-match debut for his new club.
Amorim did not bring these conundrums to Old Trafford but he absolutely inherited the Rashford, Hojlund, Zirkzee and Antony situations and has inspired precious little confidence he has a suitable answer for any of them.
But perhaps most damning of all were the post-match words of Glasner, who spoke candidly of how he told his players “there will be five, ten, 15 minutes to survive, where we will be struggling, because every team has this at Old Trafford,” but to retain trust in his plan after weathering that mild quarter-hour storm.
It was yet more stark proof of what everyone already knows: the only team who play with fear at Old Trafford in the modern day are the hosts.
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I was more excited signing Coutinho. He was brilliant in the first five or six games. However I first watched him live at home to Norwich in April 2022 and was shocked how poor he was, ballooning shots over the bar and being off the pace against a side that was relegated that afternoon. Probably the indication we shouldn't have signed him permanently but we did and he's become a big financial issue.
However those were different times. Feels we needed to make that type of statement signing just to indicate to others we were targeting we were serious about competing as we were firmly bottom half at the time.
Rashford is joining a pretty experienced and effective squad. We need him to be a difference maker and I expect him to hit the ground running in league and cup given he's been bleating about doing double sessions at Man. United to get back into contention.
My main query is how he's going to fit into an Emery system as his best spells at Man. United were always in 4-3-3 counter attacking style and we just don't play like that anymore.
I don't think there's any guarentee this will work just because he wants to prove Man. United wrong. What he can't afford is waiting until April for him to adapt.
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Reading what Rashford has said about coming here, it seems safe to assume he's 100% being added to the CL squad. Probably a no brain decision anyway, but it sounds like he's been promised it. Which only leaves 2 other changes?
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I find it really hard to come up with reasons not to like signing a 27-year-old who's won a couple of FA Cups, a couple of League Cups, a Uefa Cup, has a 1-in-3 scoring rate across 10 seasons at the top end of the Premier League and in Europe, a 1-in-3 from 60 caps and done it all at a club where the spotlight is at its most intrusive and while that club gradually sinks in its own ego-fuelled ridiculousness.
I could cling to "sources say" space-fillers targeting a high profile celeb who refuses to wind his neck in on issues guaranteed to redden gammons, but all told I reckon I'm OVERTHEFUCKINGMOON at this signing. And I'm sure Villa will lend him the flat in The Mailbox if there are roadworks on the M6 in Staffordshire.
A reason to not like it was that the "sources" include his last three managers saying that he was unprofessional.
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I find it really hard to come up with reasons not to like signing a 27-year-old who's won a couple of FA Cups, a couple of League Cups, a Uefa Cup, has a 1-in-3 scoring rate across 10 seasons at the top end of the Premier League and in Europe, a 1-in-3 from 60 caps and done it all at a club where the spotlight is at its most intrusive and while that club gradually sinks in its own ego-fuelled ridiculousness.
I could cling to "sources say" space-fillers targeting a high profile celeb who refuses to wind his neck in on issues guaranteed to redden gammons, but all told I reckon I'm OVERTHEFUCKINGMOON at this signing. And I'm sure Villa will lend him the flat in The Mailbox if there are roadworks on the M6 in Staffordshire.
A reason to not like it was that the "sources" include his last three managers saying that he was unprofessional.
The last 3 managers have failed to get a tune out of a squad costing over £1 billion, which they have all had a hand in constructing. Rashford has just been a convenient lightning rod for them, the fundamental problem there is that they have spent an absolute fortune on dross, have had no coherent plan since Ferguson retired, and yet still have a massively over-inflated sense of who they are. At this point they are just like Everton have been over the last 10 years, albeit with a much bigger turnover that has enabled them to keep limping along pretending to be one of the important teams.
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They gave Rashford a contract they shouldn't have, and are now trying to remedy their error. It feels as simple as that to me.
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If you think about it, they got rid of OGS when they were 7th in the table. They've been on a downward trajectory ever since, and each new manager seems to take a pick at one player and make a big song and dance about it. Maybe it is the show them who's in charge idea, but first it was Maguire, then Sancho, then Rashford. Maguire, poor sap, really didn't do anything, Sancho and Rashford may not have helped their cases with their own behavior, but there's been a lot of players left that place as flops recently and gone on to be brilliant at their next club.
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Or that they are by far the best supported team in the UK, their fans click articles and provide vast revenue for news and sport websites so its in their interest to keep running stories that wouldn't get reported at other clubs.
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They gave Rashford a contract they shouldn't have, and are now trying to remedy their error. It feels as simple as that to me.
And needed to find a sucker to help them that. Yes it's simple.
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They gave Rashford a contract they shouldn't have, and are now trying to remedy their error. It feels as simple as that to me.
And needed to find a sucker to help them that. Yes it's simple.
well I do not think it will be us long term if he doesnt perform
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They gave Rashford a contract they shouldn't have, and are now trying to remedy their error. It feels as simple as that to me.
And needed to find a sucker to help them that. Yes it's simple.
well I do not think it will be us long term if he doesnt perform
Alternatively this is what we could have won
https://youtu.be/uFvsHouWAXw?si=Uhn0wyvVKmKod9S_
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They gave Rashford a contract they shouldn't have, and are now trying to remedy their error. It feels as simple as that to me.
And needed to find a sucker to help them that. Yes it's simple.
We are suckers because we took a short term low cost punt on a player who is capable of being brilliant on his day? Fair enough if that's how you choose to perceive it.
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I see a free kick in that video. If he can take Digne off set pieces and Ollie or penalties, it'll be worth it for that alone.
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Reading what Rashford has said about coming here, it seems safe to assume he's 100% being added to the CL squad. Probably a no brain decision anyway, but it sounds like he's been promised it. Which only leaves 2 other changes?
It's three newbies as a baseline, but if you lose five from the original squad list it goes up to four newbies. And five newbies if seven get removed.
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Has he ever acted a Billy Big Bollocks?
Not sure if this is considered giving it the biggun
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/18j6tEjB2WA
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/afi0rrUVUHk
www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/marcus-rashford-speeding-rolls-royce-03dz6j6mg?id=17515457033&gad_source=2
www.youtube.com/shorts/RY-0-dIPquQ
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1BmZUdQFla0
He really needs to hit the ground running or all this baggage will stay with him.
Not happy but i really hope it works out for the club and we are not made to look stupid
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They gave Rashford a contract they shouldn't have, and are now trying to remedy their error. It feels as simple as that to me.
And needed to find a sucker to help them that. Yes it's simple.
Yep Emery has proven to be a sucker over and over, in the last two and a bit years.
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H'es capable of great things, but even he's going to struggle unless we start moving the damn ball quicker.
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Reading what Rashford has said about coming here, it seems safe to assume he's 100% being added to the CL squad. Probably a no brain decision anyway, but it sounds like he's been promised it. Which only leaves 2 other changes?
It's three newbies as a baseline, but if you lose five from the original squad list it goes up to four newbies. And five newbies if seven get removed.
It doesn't. Stop it.
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Has he ever acted a Billy Big Bollocks?
Not sure if this is considered giving it the biggun
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/18j6tEjB2WA
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/afi0rrUVUHk
www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/marcus-rashford-speeding-rolls-royce-03dz6j6mg?id=17515457033&gad_source=2
www.youtube.com/shorts/RY-0-dIPquQ
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1BmZUdQFla0
He really needs to hit the ground running or all this baggage will stay with him.
Not happy but i really hope it works out for the club and we are not made to look stupid
you could probably place Claret and Blue Jack Grealish into many of those
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They gave Rashford a contract they shouldn't have, and are now trying to remedy their error. It feels as simple as that to me.
And needed to find a sucker to help them that. Yes it's simple.
well I do not think it will be us long term if he doesnt perform
Alternatively this is what we could have won
https://youtu.be/uFvsHouWAXw?si=Uhn0wyvVKmKod9S_
Poor Matty Cash, about 50 seconds in :)
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More Man Utd related than Villa, but still:
The Manchester United manager would find it neither “humiliating” nor “embarrassing” if Marcus Rashford were to rediscover his form and self at Aston Villa. After losing five of his nine home games so far it could be safely assumed that Amorim can simply no longer feel shame of any kind.
A Rashford renaissance would at the very least make for an unpleasant juxtaposition with his biggest of myriad problems. Only Leicester, Everton, Ipswich and Southampton have scored fewer Premier League goals than Manchester United this season and just Everton can be added to that number if looking specifically since Amorim’s appointment; he has done nothing to address their most glaring issue, and arguably exacerbated it.
He has tried to rectify things. On Sunday alone he sanctioned the exit of the 13th-highest scorer in the club’s history on the same day he named a midfielder as centre-forward for another goalless defeat after dropping almost £110m of centre-forward signings to the bench, all while a player purchased for £82m (Antony) put in a man-of-the-match debut for his new club.
Amorim did not bring these conundrums to Old Trafford but he absolutely inherited the Rashford, Hojlund, Zirkzee and Antony situations and has inspired precious little confidence he has a suitable answer for any of them.
But perhaps most damning of all were the post-match words of Glasner, who spoke candidly of how he told his players “there will be five, ten, 15 minutes to survive, where we will be struggling, because every team has this at Old Trafford,” but to retain trust in his plan after weathering that mild quarter-hour storm.
It was yet more stark proof of what everyone already knows: the only team who play with fear at Old Trafford in the modern day are the hosts and Aston Villa.
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Doing 104mph is probably a sign that you're a bit of a twat. However I'm not sure that it's the sign that says he won't be a decent player for us.
None of the other things in those weird clips are cause for concern. An American dickhead on YouTube says that Rashford is a selfish player? Well, that's all the evidence I need, rip the loan agreement up now.
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Has he ever acted a Billy Big Bollocks?
Not sure if this is considered giving it the biggun
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/18j6tEjB2WA
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/afi0rrUVUHk
www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/marcus-rashford-speeding-rolls-royce-03dz6j6mg?id=17515457033&gad_source=2
www.youtube.com/shorts/RY-0-dIPquQ
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1BmZUdQFla0
He really needs to hit the ground running or all this baggage will stay with him.
Not happy but i really hope it works out for the club and we are not made to look stupid
We're not going to look stupid. If it doesn't work out, he'll go back to them in the summer having cost us less than Zaniolo's season here did.
With no loan fee, and not even paying all of his wages, plus an option to buy him for about £15m less than Spurs paid for Solanke if it goes well, this is about as favourable a deal as it's possible to get, in my opinion.
Even if he's "average" by his own standards, he's still going to be able to contribute in our first team.
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Wow he looks happy.
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Duran wasn't exactly a shining example of good behaviour, was actually giving it Billy Big Bollox on the regular, and we'd have been happy to keep him.
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H'es capable of great things, but even he's going to struggle unless we start moving the damn ball quicker.
This is true, hopefully it will lead to a slight change in play.
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Wow he looks happy.
I wonder where people get the idea from that he suffers under unfair levels of scrutiny.
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Wow he looks happy.
He looks rough, hope he’s alright. Probably a long day
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H'es capable of great things, but even he's going to struggle unless we start moving the damn ball quicker.
This is true, hopefully it will lead to a slight change in play.
Sit deep, concede nothing and fuck it over the top for Rashford to run onto.
I reckon it would be more effective than what we've tried so far this season.
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Doing 104mph is probably a sign that you're a bit of a twat. However I'm not sure that it's the sign that says he won't be a decent player for us.
None of the other things in those weird clips are cause for concern. An American dickhead on YouTube says that Rashford is a selfish player? Well, that's all the evidence I need, rip the loan agreement up now.
You’re forgetting that he has a nose though.
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We're not going to look stupid. If it doesn't work out, he'll go back to them in the summer having cost us less than Zaniolo's season here did.
If it’s true that this will cost less than Zaniolo all told, that certainly puts a different perspective on the ‘hefty’ wage subsidy. There’s always a possibility that he might not hit his stride, but this deal has a lot of upside potential for us.
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All the pics look like he’s scowling not smiling!
It could be a great move for us, but his wages can’t be £325k week if we take up the option to buy
Those wages would cause a lot of problems.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-aston-villa-transfer-34604713
Jeez they don’t like it when manure are scorned do they?
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All the pics look like he’s scowling not smiling!
It could be a great move for us, but his wages can’t be £325k week if we take up the option to buy
Those wages would cause a lot of problems.
Man U fans are looking at these same pics and saying "oh look, he can smile!"
As for long term, I highly doubt anyone sees this as a long term thing. We need someone to get us back on track for Europe next season. He needs a spell away from Manchester, and he and Man U will be happy to use us a shop window for someone else to buy him in the summer.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-aston-villa-transfer-34604713
Jeez they don’t like it when manure are scorned do they?
Got as far as "you'd have to assume Rashford is under no obligation to move". You're a journalist, why not do some research and find out what the clause is, rather than just guessing?
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-aston-villa-transfer-34604713
Jeez they don’t like it when manure are scorned do they?
Got as far as "you'd have to assume Rashford is under no obligation to move". You're a journalist, why not do some research and find out what the clause is, rather than just guessing?
It's Reach. They all have to pump out 20 pieces a day. They're not going to research further than Twitter, it's not possible.
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We all need to be careful where there's Reach around.
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Why people give a shit if a player is smiling enough or not I'll never know. You'd all hate me because I wouldn't be smiling at any of you pricks. Get Jordan Ayew back.
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Why people give a shit if a player is smiling enough or not I'll never know. You'd all hate me because I wouldn't be smiling at any of you pricks. Get Jordan Ayew back.
I don't see the issue, it's hardly this is it?
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I mean that's more like a disgusted parent confronting their teenage child that they've found spunk on their clothes. Again.
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Have we ever had a decorated player before? He’s an MBE
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Did we have a Graham Brown once?
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Why people give a shit if a player is smiling enough or not I'll never know. You'd all hate me because I wouldn't be smiling at any of you pricks. Get Jordan Ayew back.
I don't see the issue, it's hardly this is it?
(https://i.ibb.co/WvRT3Cqc/images-8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WvRT3Cqc)
I mean that's more like a disgusted parent confronting their teenage child that they've found spunk on their clothes. Again.
The way he holds that shirt will always be childishly funny.
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Have we ever had a decorated player before? He’s an MBE
The fact he's willing to take the colonial soup is more of an issue for me than anything else he's done!
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Have we ever had a decorated player before? He’s an MBE
Have we ever had a Marcus or even a Rashford before?
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Have we ever had a decorated player before? He’s an MBE
Have we ever had a Marcus or even a Rashford before?
Allback
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Robert Pires is a Knight of the Legion of Honour.
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Robert Pires is a Knight of the Legion of Honour.
Sound like a Marvel spinoff. What's his superpower, playing football very slowly?
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Have we ever had a decorated player before?
Makoun's jumper made him look a bit like a Christmas tree.
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Good work Bill!
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Good work Bill!
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Bastard is smiling for the future king.
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Robert Pires is a Knight of the Legion of Honour.
Sound like a Marvel spinoff. What's his superpower, playing football very slowly?
The Anti-Flash.
Mind you, that sounds like someone who keeps putting clothes on.
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Have we ever had a decorated player before? He’s an MBE
Have we ever had a Marcus or even a Rashford before?
Allback
.....apart from Marcus Allback obviously.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-aston-villa-transfer-34604713
Jeez they don’t like it when manure are scorned do they?
My goodness me. That’s some sour faced nonsense.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-aston-villa-transfer-34604713
Jeez they don’t like it when manure are scorned do they?
Fuck me - who wrote that Fergiscum - what biased hogwash.
Looking at that clip makes me realise my total blind hatred for anything to do with them means i only really watch games in which i a) Know they have lost or b) watch until they look like winning and turn off.
I never watch their players individually - only to throw abuse at the TV (In fact maybe i need help as each time a close up comes on the TV my missus comments that i stick my 2 fingers up at the srceen - sad)
But - i dont think i have ever seen a player meg another player so many times.
I really hope this works out and he gets back to that - not only for our own aspirations but it will stick the knife into them fuckers even more.
Oh and Amorim - will be funny when he gets the sack
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We need someone who can come straight in and add goals, either himself or through opening up the opposition. We could take a punt on a signing, or get someone with a decade of consistently doing that at or near the top of this very league. Everything else is froth. In terms of risk, I think this is low. I hope and believe he'll be good for us, but if he isn't he won't be in the team, or having to commute, for long.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-aston-villa-transfer-34604713
Jeez they don’t like it when manure are scorned do they?
My goodness me. That’s some sour faced nonsense.
You would expect better from their chief sports writer wouldn’t you
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-aston-villa-transfer-34604713
Jeez they don’t like it when manure are scorned do they?
My goodness me. That’s some sour faced nonsense.
You would expect better from their chief sports writer wouldn’t you
Yep. To paraphrase that article : don’t get any ideas above your station Villa fans, Rashford is too good for the likes of you and if he proves himself will be off to a more worthy club.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-aston-villa-transfer-34604713
Jeez they don’t like it when manure are scorned do they?
My goodness me. That’s some sour faced nonsense.
You would expect better from their chief sports writer wouldn’t you
Yep. To paraphrase that article : don’t get any ideas above your station Villa fans, Rashford is too good for the likes of you and if he proves himself will be off to a more worthy club.
I'd be absolutely fine with him performing really well for us and then going somewhere else.
The part about it threatening the integrity of the competition is hyperbolic nonsense though.
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I'm fine with it overall and while I can understand some having slight understandable reservations, the way some posters are going on, you'd think we'd just signed Mr Creosote.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-aston-villa-transfer-34604713
Jeez they don’t like it when manure are scorned do they?
My goodness me. That’s some sour faced nonsense.
You would expect better from their chief sports writer wouldn’t you
We've obviously upset the order somewhat here, this one's not so easy for them to brush off as getting rid of an old cast off, this is their posterboy and it could seriously embarrass them further over the next few months.
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I very rarely use the term "racism," but in this case, this smells of targeted harrassment & underlying racism.
I'll say it again...
"IF YOU THINK YOU HATE THE MEDIA? YOU DON'T HATE THEM ENOUGH!"
#MarcusRashford #AVFC #MUFC
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Marcus Rashford's 'rough' appearance sparks concern among fans at Aston Villa unveiling, as they fear he looks 'unhealthy' after Man United exile https://trib.al/fmwycGa
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-aston-villa-transfer-34604713
Jeez they don’t like it when manure are scorned do they?
My goodness me. That’s some sour faced nonsense.
Has anyone explained to him how the loan system works?
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-aston-villa-transfer-34604713
Jeez they don’t like it when manure are scorned do they?
Got as far as "you'd have to assume Rashford is under no obligation to move". You're a journalist, why not do some research and find out what the clause is, rather than just guessing?
It's Reach. They all have to pump out 20 pieces a day. They're not going to research further than Twitter, it's not possible.
"Andy, can you bash out 300 words which will annoy EVERYONE involved so that they get all their angry mates to click on our advert infested hellsite?"
"On it boss"
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BookofAEGIS
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I very rarely use the term "racism," but in this case, this smells of targeted harrassment & underlying racism.
I'll say it again...
"IF YOU THINK YOU HATE THE MEDIA? YOU DON'T HATE THEM ENOUGH!"
#MarcusRashford #AVFC #MUFC
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Mail Sport
@MailSport
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Marcus Rashford's 'rough' appearance sparks concern among fans at Aston Villa unveiling, as they fear he looks 'unhealthy' after Man United exile https://trib.al/fmwycGa
Sorry what does that mean - what / who is racist
Hate the media?
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It might be worth saving that article to throw back at the writer in the summer, depending on how things go.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-aston-villa-transfer-34604713
Jeez they don’t like it when manure are scorned do they?
Got as far as "you'd have to assume Rashford is under no obligation to move". You're a journalist, why not do some research and find out what the clause is, rather than just guessing?
It's Reach. They all have to pump out 20 pieces a day. They're not going to research further than Twitter, it's not possible.
"Andy, can you bash out 300 words which will annoy EVERYONE involved so that they get all their angry mates to click on our advert infested hellsite?"
"On it boss"
It just seems so futile to get angry at anything that is both that stupid and and that inconsequential.
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It would be even better to completely ignore the Mirror as it's shit.
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Yes, both the content and layout are appalling.
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Since when has a news item been solely based on some knobheads comment on twitter
That is not journalism - and anyone who uses the term "Bro" in a communication should not be taken seriously as they are obviously 12 years old
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I've had the misfortune of reading the paper version of The Mirror. There's normally about three pages dedicated to Man Utd so this doesn't surprise me at all.
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I cant see much to rage against, just your standard filler piece to get clicks from ManU supporters.
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Oh...
...I thought that once a player had worn a squad number, another player couldn't take it up that same season
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he does look a bit rough in those pictures.
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Just had a clip on SSN when he met OLlie at training
Must be nice to be surrounded by decent , family men and nice human beings he has met before through England camps
Tyrone
Ollie
Ross
Konsa
I think he may love it here away from the madness
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Reading what Rashford has said about coming here, it seems safe to assume he's 100% being added to the CL squad. Probably a no brain decision anyway, but it sounds like he's been promised it. Which only leaves 2 other changes?
It's three newbies as a baseline, but if you lose five from the original squad list it goes up to four newbies. And five newbies if seven get removed.
There are conflicting versions of this. Some say that the only clubs this applies to is those who’s season begins and ends in a calendar year.
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Reading what Rashford has said about coming here, it seems safe to assume he's 100% being added to the CL squad. Probably a no brain decision anyway, but it sounds like he's been promised it. Which only leaves 2 other changes?
It's three newbies as a baseline, but if you lose five from the original squad list it goes up to four newbies. And five newbies if seven get removed.
There are conflicting versions of this. Some say that the only clubs this applies to is those who’s season begins and ends in a calendar year.
My understanding of the rules is the maximum squad size is 25, but in that 25 you have to have 8 "association" trained players, 4 of which have to be your own trained. We didn't meet that target with the first squad, so we only named a 23 man squad. Ramsey and Philogene being the only 2 that counted as "home grown" for the A squad (those under a certain age are B squad).
With Philogene gone, I'd imagine we don't meet the homegrown quota at all, so we cannot name a 25 man squad.
From what I can see, we've got 17 of that original 23 man squad still here. (Gauci, Carlos, Nedeljkovic, Buendia, Philogene, and Duran removed).
The question is, can we replace the players who have left, or can we only add 3, which would mean we'd have a 20 man squad for the remainder of the competition? From what I'm reading on UEFA website, it's 3 new players.
Teams remaining in the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and UEFA Conference League are allowed to register a maximum of three new eligible players after the completion of the league phase and before the start of the knockout phase.
After the completion of the league phase and before the start of the knockout phase, a club may register a maximum of three new eligible players for the remaining matches in the current competition. Such registrations must be completed by 6 February 2025 (24:00 CET) at the latest.
It's only clubs whose domestic seasons run by calendar year that can add more.
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Since when has a news item been solely based on some knobheads comment on twitter
That is not journalism - and anyone who uses the term "Bro" in a communication should not be taken seriously as they are obviously 12 years old
Where have you been? There are articles based off a few Twitter comments all the time. It's horseshit, but it's far from new.
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I've seen some odd comments about Rashford, but a disgruntled Man Utd fan calling a one club player a mercenary was among the oddest.
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The question is, can we replace the players who have left, or can we only add 3, which would mean we'd have a 20 man squad for the remainder of the competition? From what I'm reading on UEFA website, it's 3 new players.
I've found nothing to indicate that it's anything other than as you say.
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This bloke is going to have to score some goals now.
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This bloke is going to have to score some goals now.
Or play centre half
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The question is, can we replace the players who have left, or can we only add 3, which would mean we'd have a 20 man squad for the remainder of the competition? From what I'm reading on UEFA website, it's 3 new players.
I've found nothing to indicate that it's anything other than as you say.
So we have 4 (assuming Asensio) new signings, only 3 of which can be added to the squad. Do we go with the 3 attacking players, or 2 of them and Garcia, given the questionable state of our defence?
Also could be a reason why we didn't splash the cash on a CB who wasn't our 1st/2nd choice, given we may not have been able to add them to the squad, or would have had to leave out one of the attacking signings to do so.
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The question is, can we replace the players who have left, or can we only add 3, which would mean we'd have a 20 man squad for the remainder of the competition? From what I'm reading on UEFA website, it's 3 new players.
I've found nothing to indicate that it's anything other than as you say.
So we have 4 (assuming Asensio) new signings, only 3 of which can be added to the squad. Do we go with the 3 attacking players, or 2 of them and Garcia, given the questionable state of our defence?
Also could be a reason why we didn't splash the cash on a CB who wasn't our 1st/2nd choice, given we may not have been able to add them to the squad, or would have had to leave out one of the attacking signings to do so.
God only knows. I assume a bit of the Garcia thing depends on Cash's injury. If he's back in good time then probably Rashford, Malen and Asensio.
If he's not then add Garcia and flip a coin between Malen and Asensio? I would guess Asensio would miss out as he's clearly the one who isn't needed as much.
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I suppose having someone like Asensio fresh for league games would be a good thing too.
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Maybe thats the hold up with Asencio? He's been told we don't plan to have him in the CL squad so he's waiting to see what else turns up.
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So if can’t be bothered at ManU. Why all of a sudden will he turn on the effort?
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So if can’t be bothered at ManU. Why all of a sudden will he turn on the effort?
Just to spite you.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-aston-villa-transfer-34604713
Jeez they don’t like it when manure are scorned do they?
My goodness me. That’s some sour faced nonsense.
You would expect better from their chief sports writer wouldn’t you
Yep. To paraphrase that article : don’t get any ideas above your station Villa fans, Rashford is too good for the likes of you and if he proves himself will be off to a more worthy club.
I'd be absolutely fine with him performing really well for us and then going somewhere else.
The part about it threatening the integrity of the competition is hyperbolic nonsense though.
While they stick their fingers in their ears to shut out Man City’s 115 charges.....
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Maybe he was going to cut off his nose to spite his face but didn't have a big enough knife.
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Maybe he was going to cut off his nose to spite his face but didn't have a big enough knife.
Less of the big nose jibes! ;)
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Maybe he was going to cut off his nose to spite his face but didn't have a big enough knife.
Less of the big nose jibes! ;)
Who do you think you are, Richarlison?
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Maybe he was going to cut off his nose to spite his face but didn't have a big enough knife.
Less of the big nose jibes! ;)
Who do you think you are, Richarlison?
Behave. I'm a better player, albeit that is a low bar, and I've been known to smile - though only occasionally (being a Brummie and all that).
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A wonderful man who believes in Christianity and has been treated cruelly by Manchester United. Overly critical for no good reason.
Villa are to benefit from this. If the alleged reports about his behaviour were accurate, Emery would obviously not sign him.
It is a credit to our club to have Rashy and Mings because they are both more than just football players, and I am forward to watching Marcus play.
Given the improvements and upgrades made, Rashy being one of them, I believe the transfer window is clearly indicating that Villa will be winning a trophy, and I'm on course for that becoming true.
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What time do they have to clock in tomorrow morning
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Well I don't think Rashford will be late for training!
Not on Emery watch!
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So if can’t be bothered at ManU. Why all of a sudden will he turn on the effort?
Well we've signed him now and I'm pretty sure our world class manager and coaching team will have addressed that particular question. I was hoping all the negative postulating would stop once he was confirmed as a Villa player but apparently not.
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So if can’t be bothered at ManU. Why all of a sudden will he turn on the effort?
Well one thing - if he’s not fussed why come here? He’ll get his money either way. Suggests to me he’s got something to prove.
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If Emery personally requested to sign Rashy then that's telling isnt it ?
It can't just be a chance signing.
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If Emery personally requested to sign Rashy then that's telling isnt it ?
It can't just be a chance signing.
True, but might be on 'a winger and a prayer'.
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If Emery personally requested to sign Rashy then that's telling isnt it ?
It can't just be a chance signing.
Just use his normal name. The one everyone else uses. Please.
There no such thing as a chance signing.
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I'll come out in a rash if we signed Rashers rashly.
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Apparently I heard on sky sports earlier they said Rashford is £40m buy option.
That's a decent price if the case.
Providing he shows up and makes an impact.
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Has this been posted?
From Barney Ronay in the Guardian
No other footballer presents such an obvious mismatch between celebrity status and actual on-field performance
Watching Sky Sports News this weekend it was hard not to feel a rush of sympathy for Flex, the YouTube pundit and transfer‑chat expert. Flex seems like a nice bloke. He’s clearly well informed on players and clubs. He seems to genuinely care about this stuff.
On this occasion, however, he was thrown a genuine hospital pass, asked to stand next to a vast picture of Marcus Rashford’s head and talk about, well, basically, the entity that is Marcus Rashford. What is it? Is it good? What can it do? What do you think, Flex, about all this? Basically, Flex, just say Marcus Rashford words.
At which point Flex found himself stuck in a kind of semantic logjam, reduced to repeating the words “Marcus Rashford” over and over again, at one point 10 times in a minute, eyes a little wide, saying things like: “Marcus Rashford has to do what’s best for Marcus Rashford if Marcus Rashford feels Marcus Rashford can still contribute to what Marcus Rashford wants now for Marcus Rashford.”
This is not a criticism. Flex nailed it. He got out of there in one piece. It was in many ways an entirely logical response. Rashford’s late‑breaking move to Aston Villa had yet to appear in the treeline. What else are you supposed to say about someone who is essentially just content, a brand, algorithm fodder?
There is a kind of trap here, Flex’s Conundrum, which states that it is impossible to discuss Rashford properly because he doesn’t really play much football and isn’t that interesting when he does; at the same time it is also impossible to stop discussing him because he’s Marcus Rashford.
This is what the digital noise‑world has given us. Andy Warhol defined a good photograph as one that’s in focus and of a famous person. Maybe a good modern football discussion is one that’s about a famous person, where that famous person’s name is clearly enunciated at least 10 times.
In this sense Rashford is arguably the best example of a post-truth footballer. What we have here is a superstar without superstar achievements, superstar numbers or, let’s face it, superstar talent. But who is nonetheless a superstar all the same. His public existence is an extraordinary thing in an extraordinary time, when every act, every close-up, every twitch is spun out, pored over, given meaning, processed across every platform.
This is not really how humans are supposed to exist, or what sport is supposed to be. Little wonder it is hard against this backdrop to assess exactly what a loan move to Aston Villa means, or how it’s likely to work out.
The optics of Rashford’s unveiling video weren’t exactly promising. “I can’t wait for the first training session,” he said, looking heartbreakingly glum. “The sense of ambition is what is attractive,” he added later, with all the uncontainable excitement of a man discussing the slow and painful death of his beloved pet rabbit.
And yet this is clearly the right thing for Rashford, if only because he just had to get out of Old Trafford before he was swallowed entirely by the machine. A move to Villa represents clear lines. Unai Emery is a pragmatist. This is his show. There is no homegrown superstar mythology to muddy the epicure.
Rashford will be asked to train and play with good footballers under a coherent coaching system, and to play in a defined role. What he has here is a clear matrix of success or failure, with numbered instructions on how to get there. Plus the chance to find out some things that sound disarmingly basic, from what is his actual position right down to how much does he actually want to do this.
Is it a good thing for Villa? As a loan move the risks are relatively low. As are the potential rewards on the face of it. Villa have signed a player with three assists in his past 48 Premier League games, whose Emery-facing metrics – interceptions, tackles, indications of labour, effort, team play – are all way down. But this is also part of the fascination. It brings us back to the most basic question of all. Is he actually any good?
It is a question that seems uniquely hard to ask, let alone answer. In part because Rashford is so popular (and also unpopular) with Manchester United fans; because he has a machinery of extreme celebrity at his back; and because of the unavoidable political sensitivities around a footballer who has fought some vital battles via his social media channels.
One thing bleeds into another. Even asking if Rashford is actually any good can feel a bit like announcing that you also run an inflammatory alt-right YouTube channel called Why Enoch Was Right About The Great Chem-Trail Vaccination Steal.
But it is a fascinating question in its own right. If only because no other footballer presents such an obvious mismatch between celebrity status and on-field performance. That fame premium is clearly visible. Rashford is the fourth-highest-paid player in the Premier League, up there with Mohamed Salah, Kevin De Bruyne and Erling Haaland. Why? Even Casemiro, also in that company, has been world-class in the past.
Whereas Rashford’s record is decent but not elite. In the Premier League he has 87 goals in 287 games, 40 assists across nine years, the same number as Jermaine Pennant, fewer than Brian Deane, Chris Brunt and Steed Malbranque. His supporters, fans, entourage, have taken to fudging this by saying, well, at his best he did have a 30-goal season. But did he?
He definitely had a 17-goal league season and 30 in 56 games overall. Either side he’s a 10-a-season man, unable to string together two good years. It used to be easy to see things like this, to allow people simply to be quite good but not great.
Rashford is a talented player with excellent movement, when he actually moves, and eye-catching skills. But he’s also not as good as Cole Palmer, Harry Kane, Ollie Watkins, Jude Bellingham, Phil Foden, Anthony Gordon, Morgan Rogers, Eberechi Eze, Dominic Solanke. He’s not as good as Bryan Mbeumo, Cody Gakpo and various other less famous people there’s no space to list here.
And yet Rashford is the conversation every time, to the extent he will now routinely complain about being the conversation, while failing to acknowledge that being undeservedly the conversation is also why he earns so much money, is so famous, and has an A-list career.
This is a new phenomenon, the interference of fame in the internal metrics of sporting merit. It can also cause problems. In this respect Rashford is an example of something else, too: the Negative Value Player. There is value in having him. But there is value in not having him too, in not carrying all that noise.
Rashford signing for Villa is good news for Arsenal, who were never interested enough and have two domestic loans already. It’s good news for Paris Saint-Germain, who have built a much-fanfared new identity around jettisoning the fame‑over‑substance footballer.
Mainly it’s a great move for Ruben Amorim, who has found himself caught early on by a process that gets its hooks into all United managers now, the urge to go to war with one of their own players, convinced that if they can just weed out Idle Star X, this might all suddenly start to work.
This is football’s version of the Pardoner’s Tale, in which a group of drunken men decide the only way to escape death is to find death, who they have become convinced is an actual person, and to kill him, not realising this is impossible and they will naturally die in the process.
Erik ten Hag’s death, his Rashford, was Cristiano Ronaldo. Getting rid of a 37-year-old celebrity poacher wasn’t going to solve the wonky structures that led to a 37‑year‑old celebrity poacher being in your team in the first place. But Ten Hag still had to fight that battle just as Amorim had to fight this one. If only because he seemed stuck at this first obstacle, unable to talk about anything else in his press conference, was becoming, like Flex, a man who says “Marcus Rashford” for a living.
Who knows where this will end? Maybe when enough managers have fallen, enough idle senior players been slayed, death will finally be satisfied. But it is also important to remember Rashford didn’t make any of this happen, that the Manchester United Effect was inflicted on him too.
Rashford was overplayed, overhyped, over-anointed as a very young man. His physical grace, his basic skills, his star power were misleading. He looked ready, but wasn’t ready. He never had time to grow, was expected to be The One right from the start, and did his best to keep running from there to here, as managers, teammates, systems, regimes came and went. A saner club and a saner surrounding industry would surely have made a better Rashford.
There is still plenty of hope here. Villa are a great club, Emery an excellent manager. Rashford is talented enough to make this work. It will require discipline, hunger and a degree of personal and professional development. But he deserves a chance to find out how good he is; and above all a chance to be happy, nine years into one of the stranger sporting lives.
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Watching his signing video and him walking around the gym at BMH, and it got me thinking of when Ronaldo left ManU to go to Saudi and he was saying that the facilities at Man U hadn't changed since he was there the first time. I'm sure they're not like going to your local community gym or anything, but I wonder if Rashford, who has been there since he was 7, is looking at our facilities and thinking wow, Carrington is shit!
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Like pretty much everything the guardian writes about football that's a massive pile of smug bullshit.
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Yeah, the Guardian's football coverage is unreadable.
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Like pretty much everything the guardian writes about football that's a massive pile of smug bullshit.
Agreed, and not just football, either.
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I thought it was worth reading, he's here now so will get support, but if he'd have joined someone else I'd be nodding in agreement with a lot of it.
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Who knows where this will end? Maybe when enough managers have fallen, enough idle senior players been slayed, death will finally be satisfied. But it is also important to remember Rashford didn’t make any of this happen, that the Manchester United Effect was inflicted on him too.
Rashford was overplayed, overhyped, over-anointed as a very young man. His physical grace, his basic skills, his star power were misleading. He looked ready, but wasn’t ready. He never had time to grow, was expected to be The One right from the start, and did his best to keep running from there to here, as managers, teammates, systems, regimes came and went. A saner club and a saner surrounding industry would surely have made a better Rashford.
There is still plenty of hope here. Villa are a great club, Emery an excellent manager. Rashford is talented enough to make this work. It will require discipline, hunger and a degree of personal and professional development. But he deserves a chance to find out how good he is; and above all a chance to be happy, nine years into one of the stranger sporting lives.
This bit sounds right though. A very talented player who was thrust into the media spotlight for reasons other than his football, combined with the continued downfall of the club, and a weird public/media vendetta against him. This should just be another January transfer, but we'll be under extreme scrutiny now, just as he will.
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This bit sounds right though. A very talented player who was thrust into the media spotlight for reasons other than his football, combined with the continued downfall of the club, and a weird public/media vendetta against him. This should just be another January transfer, but we'll be under extreme scrutiny now, just as he will.
Maybe, or maybe without the ManU connection and clicks, he wont be that newsworthy?
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This bit sounds right though. A very talented player who was thrust into the media spotlight for reasons other than his football, combined with the continued downfall of the club, and a weird public/media vendetta against him. This should just be another January transfer, but we'll be under extreme scrutiny now, just as he will.
Maybe, or maybe without the ManU connection and clicks, he wont be that newsworthy?
He's still their player though, and they're still a mess. The only way it goes away, I think, is if he does well here and they miraculously start doing well too. There's very little to write about him then. If he's good here and they continue as they have been, or he flops and they start being brilliant, or he's bad and they're still bad, he's still a ManU player and they'll keep writing about him.
I think we're probably a better club for protecting players though. I don't know that a lot of Duran's antics were that well known outside of fans of the club, for example. Players do a certain amount of promo, but none of them seem to be actively seeking game or attention beyond their football achievements. So maybe they will get bored of him and move onto whoever the next player Amorim points the finger at. My moneys on Hojlund.
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I thought it was worth reading, he's here now so will get support, but if he'd have joined someone else I'd be nodding in agreement with a lot of it.
Yeah, I didn't think it was that bad, and I'm not a big fan of Ronay.
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I like Ronay. Liew is mostly good, has his bad days. Wilson's gone quite downhill I think, but is grumpy about the right stuff.
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Three assists in his past 48 Premier League games is pretty shite.
He allegedly has/had addiction issues. Not sure if that kind of thing can be discussed here but shouldn't be too hard to find on Google. Could also just be made up Internet bollocks.
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Who knows where this will end? Maybe when enough managers have fallen, enough idle senior players been slayed, death will finally be satisfied. But it is also important to remember Rashford didn’t make any of this happen, that the Manchester United Effect was inflicted on him too.
Rashford was overplayed, overhyped, over-anointed as a very young man. His physical grace, his basic skills, his star power were misleading. He looked ready, but wasn’t ready. He never had time to grow, was expected to be The One right from the start, and did his best to keep running from there to here, as managers, teammates, systems, regimes came and went. A saner club and a saner surrounding industry would surely have made a better Rashford.
There is still plenty of hope here. Villa are a great club, Emery an excellent manager. Rashford is talented enough to make this work. It will require discipline, hunger and a degree of personal and professional development. But he deserves a chance to find out how good he is; and above all a chance to be happy, nine years into one of the stranger sporting lives.
This bit sounds right though. A very talented player who was thrust into the media spotlight for reasons other than his football, combined with the continued downfall of the club, and a weird public/media vendetta against him. This should just be another January transfer, but we'll be under extreme scrutiny now, just as he will.
Couldn't this have been written about other 'local boy makes good' individuals? - Grealish comes to mind but the history of football in my time is littered with prodigious talent being distracted by sex n' drugs n' rocknroll. Many find redemption, and maybe the boy Marcus is starting his road to redemption by coming to B6 for 4 months ...
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Only the very last paragraph is relevant. The rest flip flops and can’t make its mind up. Oh, and you can make of statistics what you want. Manchester United is a train wreck, I’m sure he’s glad to be at a functional club with a proper manager. Amorim is way out of his depth.
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For someone who doesn’t seem to say much, a lot of people have opinions about him, and are more than willing to share them with you.
Barney Ronnay is usually quite good to read, but that article seems a bit of a hatchet job.
I just hope Rashford has planned his route to Bodymoor Heath well, it’s not the easiest place to find normally, let alone with journalists throwing drawing pins under your car, and leaving oil cans on the road, so they can write the follow up story.
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Presumably the club have done their homework on the player and whatever baggage that he brings with him is not going to be a surprise and they have a plan to tackle it. It will also be interesting what shape he is in, as he’s not played for a while it make take a little time to reach fitness but as this is a relatively short loan we should really be expecting him fairly soon.
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He allegedly has/had addiction issues. Not sure if that kind of thing can be discussed here but shouldn't be too hard to find on Google. Could also just be made up Internet bollocks.
I’m not convinced it should be. I’ve searched on Google and none of it convinced me it’s more than made up bollocks.
Also, not sure some of us will need extra ammunition to call him a wanker if he puts in the odd poor performance.
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For someone who doesn’t seem to say much, a lot of people have opinions about him, and are more than willing to share them with you.
Barney Ronnay is usually quite good to read, but that article seems a bit of a hatchet job.
I just hope Rashford has planned his route to Bodymoor Heath well, it’s not the easiest place to find normally, let alone with journalists throwing drawing pins under your car, and leaving oil cans on the road, so they can write the follow up story.
Yea agree about Ronay, but also the hatchet job comments on this occasion
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I like the Guardian's football coverage. And there's nothing wrong with that article that I can see.
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I'll come out in a rash if we signed Rashers rashly.
Let's hope he brings home the bacon then.
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Three assists in his past 48 Premier League games is pretty shite.
He allegedly has/had addiction issues. Not sure if that kind of thing can be discussed here but shouldn't be too hard to find on Google. Could also just be made up Internet bollocks.
He also has 7 goals, with an almost 1 in 3 scoring record THIS season, while being in and out of the side and played out wide when he does appear. He's got fewer league minutes than Jacob Ramsey, for context.
I'm still baffled by people looking for alleged negative things about him. He's here. He's ours (for the rest of the season at least), and when he's good, he's VERY VERY good.
By all means remain sceptical, but why on earth would anyone go trawling through dodgy rumours on the Internet to find negative things about a new signing? It baffles me.
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The fact he had the chance to retire to the desert, but chose to stay in the Premier League to try and get back into the England team is a positive.
However, we have plenty of experience of players taking a step down from so-called "big club", only to fail. I'm trying to think of the last one that actually was a success for us?
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The fact he had the chance to retire to the desert, but chose to stay in the Premier League to try and get back into the England team is a positive.
However, we have plenty of experience of players taking a step down from so-called "big club", only to fail. I'm trying to think of the last one that actually was a success for us?
I don't believe we've ever had one like this. i.e. a player at their prime age, who, at their best, could play for literally any club on the planet.
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The fact he had the chance to retire to the desert, but chose to stay in the Premier League to try and get back into the England team is a positive.
However, we have plenty of experience of players taking a step down from so-called "big club", only to fail. I'm trying to think of the last one that actually was a success for us?
I don't believe we've ever had one like this. i.e. a player at their prime age, who, at their best, could play for literally any club on the planet.
Collymore?
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That ended well.
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The fact he had the chance to retire to the desert, but chose to stay in the Premier League to try and get back into the England team is a positive.
However, we have plenty of experience of players taking a step down from so-called "big club", only to fail. I'm trying to think of the last one that actually was a success for us?
Martinez has been alright.
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Emi, yes. 100%.
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The fact he had the chance to retire to the desert, but chose to stay in the Premier League to try and get back into the England team is a positive.
However, we have plenty of experience of players taking a step down from so-called "big club", only to fail. I'm trying to think of the last one that actually was a success for us?
I don't believe we've ever had one like this. i.e. a player at their prime age, who, at their best, could play for literally any club on the planet.
Collymore?
That's a decent example, but I don't think he counts. Collymore was a big, high-profile player - a record signing for us, and undoubtedly a huge talent. But he wasn't even a regular International, never mind good enough to sign for any club in the world. Liverpool sold him to us at a loss after Michael Owen emerged.
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I like the Guardian's football coverage. And there's nothing wrong with that article that I can see.
Same.
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I like the Guardian's football coverage. And there's nothing wrong with that article that I can see.
Same.
I don't particularly like the Guardian's football coverage anymore, but I also don't really see anything wrong with that piece.
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I read that piece and thought it was pretty good. Some of their coverage is annoying though.
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Even if you don't agree with what they write, you can't deny it's usually well written. In fact, most of the best writers in the "mainstream" press seem to be at the Guardian.
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Even if you don't agree with what they write, you can't deny it's usually well written. In fact, most of the best writers in the "mainstream" press seem to be at the Guardian.
Some people think that anything that looks like it wasn't written with a fist and a crayon pretentious etc.
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Perhaps I'm being too sensitive, and over-protective of my new mate, but it's the comparisons to Chris Brunt and Brian Deane that seem a bit low.
A quick google, and he's got more assists for Man Utd than Ronaldo and Solksjaer, and more goals than the likes of Walcott, Deane & Bellamy.
Just seems unnecessary, I'm sure the "it's time for Rashford to shut up and prove his worth" article is being penned in time for Sunday, which is the same for any new signing but I bet they all don't get the same coverage.
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Barney Ronnay is usually quite good to read, but that article seems a bit of a hatchet job.
I dunno really, you could really sum it all up in a sentence. Player has a celebrity status unsupported by his performances. Is that his fault, his former clubs fault or our fault as a society for elevating him thus?
As they are like rats in always been near you, I have a few mates who follow ManU, their gleeful reporting of the 'strong rumours' surrounding Rashfords supposed off field habits don't survive the first couple of questions.
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Hat-trick on Sunday please.
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Great signing if he realises his potential at Villa. Needs to put shifts in as at ManUre he didn't look bothered. It's up to him now, he has a great opportunity at the world's best club.
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Even if you don't agree with what they write, you can't deny it's usually well written. In fact, most of the best writers in the "mainstream" press seem to be at the Guardian.
Some people think that anything that looks like it wasn't written with a fist and a crayon pretentious etc.
And a lot of journalists like to develop a persona and celebrity all of their own. I'd have subbed that down to 300 words and suggested he takes a poetry course in his own time. In places it's impenetrable, often massively contradictory and always so desperate to reach for the next "huh-huh" in-the-clique acknowledgement. It's pretty much smart-arse column by numbers; something he can knock out from a template rather than really stretch his talent.
As for the substance - where it exists - it could be written about any high profile player, especially one that steps outside football and dares to have an interest in things above their station. Player X can be good, doesn't usually live up to they hype, splits opinion, has fallow periods, adds to my clicks. I learned a lot about Barney Roney in that piece, and discovered there may be someone called Flex, but sod all about Rashford or this transfer.
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It's not my favourite Ronay column but honestly, he's a writer who's got a style. You don't have to like it, but that's what it is.
And perhaps someone who sees this as a 'style vs substance' issue maybe isn't best placed to judge.
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Even if you don't agree with what they write, you can't deny it's usually well written. In fact, most of the best writers in the "mainstream" press seem to be at the Guardian.
Some people think that anything that looks like it wasn't written with a fist and a crayon pretentious etc.
And a lot of journalists like to develop a persona and celebrity all of their own. I'd have subbed that down to 300 words and suggested he takes a poetry course in his own time. In places it's impenetrable, often massively contradictory and always so desperate to reach for the next "huh-huh" in-the-clique acknowledgement. It's pretty much smart-arse column by numbers; something he can knock out from a template rather than really stretch his talent.
As for the substance - where it exists - it could be written about any high profile player, especially one that steps outside football and dares to have an interest in things above their station. Player X can be good, doesn't usually live up to they hype, splits opinion, has fallow periods, adds to my clicks. I learned a lot about Barney Roney in that piece, and discovered there may be someone called Flex, but sod all about Rashford or this transfer.
It's an opinion piece by their star man. Most people are reading it to read Barney Ronay pontificating about x,y or z, and if they want to find out details of the transfer they can click on the news next door.
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I only read articles by my favourite journalist who's all info and no bleedin' poetry. I think his name's 'Press Association'.
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I don't know why people keep saying 'if he realises his potential'. Rashford has more than demonstrated what he is about and what he can deliver.
Duran has potential, but no has nowhere near 'realised' it yet.
Its more a case of whether Rashford can recapture his form, not realise his potential.
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Also Simon, if you'd subbed it down to 300 words you'd quickly have been subbed out the door!
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Three assists in his past 48 Premier League games is pretty shite.
He allegedly has/had addiction issues. Not sure if that kind of thing can be discussed here but shouldn't be too hard to find on Google. Could also just be made up Internet bollocks.
He also has 7 goals, with an almost 1 in 3 scoring record THIS season, while being in and out of the side and played out wide when he does appear. He's got fewer league minutes than Jacob Ramsey, for context.
I'm still baffled by people looking for alleged negative things about him. He's here. He's ours (for the rest of the season at least), and when he's good, he's VERY VERY good.
By all means remain sceptical, but why on earth would anyone go trawling through dodgy rumours on the Internet to find negative things about a new signing? It baffles me.
Responses like this baffle me to be honest, creating a scenario that didn't happen to get upset about. Who's trawling through the Internet looking for dodgy rumours?
What's happened to him at utd is very unusual, not many managers throw players under the bus so publicly. It's an interesting discussion point. The only reason he's here is because what's happened there. Either he's a lazy fuck who's downed tools completely, Amorim is a mental case, or something in between. If none of that interests you, no worries.
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I only read articles by my favourite journalist who's all info and no bleedin' poetry. I think his name's 'Press Association'.
Yes Fauntleroy, I get the desire to be very clever and love it when it's done well. When it becomes a bit cliched and to a template, it drifts between tiresome and twattish. I have no doubt fans of Ronay will be quite happy with it. As it's on the Marcus Rashford thread I thought I'd look for some Marcus Rashford elements as well, as Flex might stutter. My additional interest in journalism should be no huge surprise.
Mr Ealing, the subbed to 300 words should be read like a mum saying "I'll brain you". In truth I'd leave subbing stuff like that to others or just spellcheck and legal the fucker. We all have our favourites.
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Just worries me that you called an article written in B1 English 'impenetrable'. Makes me wonder what your definition of 'clever' is.
Also, someone who doesn't like clichés calls someone else 'Fauntleroy'. That's some original shit.
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Crikey. Remind me never to criticise an article in the Guardian around Monty.
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I hate the fucking Guardian!
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In that case, I'm not even sure what we're arguing about. But I didn't want to miss out.
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Just worries me that you called an article written in B1 English 'impenetrable'. Makes me wonder what your definition of 'clever' is.
Also, someone who doesn't like clichés calls someone else 'Fauntleroy'. That's some original shit.
The point, rather than the individual words, is impenetrable, as should not have been clear from one's polysemic post.
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The point is Barney Ronay writes about things in a Barney Ronay style, which gets the Graun site views. So they keep doing it. It's a bit like going to a stand-up act and saying, you know, I learned a lot about Rodney Dangerfield, but what was his point about mothers-in-law? Impenetrable!
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I didn't think for a second that you were a sub, Simon. I'm a fan of your work on here, we're just having a minor dispute about the work of Barney Ronay. A stand-off between two sordid emperors beside a TKMaxx discount bin, as he probably wouldn't say.
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Read it last night. Think it needs a 2nd read.
Basically:
He's not the Messiah, but with better handling could have been a top, top player. And under Emery’ he might well be.
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The point is Barney Ronay writes about things in a Barney Ronay way? Which gets the Graun website views? So they keep doing it? It's a bit like going to a stand-up act and saying, you know, I learned a lot about Rodney Dangerfield, but what was his point about mothers-in-law? Impenetrable!
First bit, yes I get it. Analogy, not so much. Unless the stand-up routine was being presented for discussion in the context of a Rodney Dangerfield thread, or Barney Ronay was writing a funny column about Barney Ronay (as Flex might stutter). Just one line to save me typing reams of HTML:
There is a kind of trap here, Flex’s Conundrum, which states that it is impossible to discuss Rashford properly because he doesn’t really play much football and isn’t that interesting when he does; at the same time it is also impossible to stop discussing him because he’s Marcus Rashford.
Neither is correct. His point on Marcus Rashford is not so much not thought through, more non-existent and baseless. It would be no better or worse if he shouted GARLIC BREAD every fourth par.
However, I'm happy for Ronay to keep doing what he does and for people to like it. If it was a thread about Ronay's style, I'd probably avoid it like the rugby one.
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He hasn't played since whenever, and his goals and assists record are no great shakes, yet he gets an inordinate amount of media attention. If you want me to agree that the point is banal, well, I can see that. But for 'non-existent and baseless' you probably couldn't have produced a worse example.
Also I am fairly certain he didn't write the piece with the H&V Rashford thread in mind, so criticising it for not contributing to it seems a little unfair!
At least we agree on rugby.
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He has a 1 in 3 goals record for club and country.
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He's played 24 times this season and has something close to 500 first class appearances for Manchester United and England - ave 50 per year.
But I love you for sharing my lack of love for ovals.
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In the Premier League, 87 in 287. Watkins has 69 in 170.
And I'll agree that 'doesn't really play much football' is a bit sloppy (though we all know what he means).
As long as you don't betray us for golf like russon.
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Just as i was almost coming to terms with the loan deal he goes and states, quite categorically that he is "Here for the short term"
Not the way to start off is it?
Would rather something along the lines "I would like to think that what i can bring here will give me the opportunity to stay full time" Even if he does not mean it its better than sounding like - i will use Villa and once that bellend Amorim is fired ill go back, especially as he is the only one of the 3 that has a buy option.
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He's accurately describing the terms of his contract.
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yeh I don't see an issue at all. The terms of the contract is exactly that; a short term loan deal. He's still officially a Man U player. But the fact that the clubs and player agreed to pretty modest buy clause if it works out suggests he would be open to moving. I think he's said all the right things since he arrived.
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Breaking down the athletic article TV shared on transfers for each player and some key pieces.
Marcus Rashford’s arrival encapsulated Aston Villa’s transfer window.
It was unexpected and a product of a volatile market, stretching several targets, setbacks and late frenzy.
Rashford was Villa’s marquee signing. They had signed one of Britain’s most talked about footballers, known for his inherent talent but equally increasing concerns. Unai Emery was enamoured with Rashford and encouraged by him being out of favour at Manchester United.
"At his best, Emery regards Rashford among the most threatening attackers in the world and backs himself to rejuvenate the 27-year-old. When it became evident there were diminishing alternatives for Rashford and Villa could make the finances work — largely owing to what had gone before in the window — senior figures quickly pressed ahead.
Villa will contribute a minimum of three-quarters of Rashford’s wages, which stands at more than £325,000 (€390,000, $403,500) per week and up to 90 per cent depending on performance-based bonuses.
Sources at Villa and close to players, speaking on the condition of anonymity to protect relationships, expressed their excitement at the signing, believing Emery, who thinks Rashford can operate on both flanks, as a No 10 and lone striker, will tap into a different side of the player’s personality and provide a platform to perform at his best. Villa possess an option to buy for £40million (€48.17m, $49.67m)
The swift nature of Rashford’s signing — with The Athletic reporting talks had started on Friday afternoon and the deal wrapped up Sunday night — underlined how the landscape changed almost daily at Villa."
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For me, Rashford and perhaps more so Arsensio, I'm hoping these are a Carbone-type loan. Contribute, have an impact and then we say goodbye and move on in the summer. Asensio is getting close to 30 with questionable injuries.
But for Rashford, I feel like it could be similar to the Lingard/West Ham. Get him with a point to prove and hopefully keen to raise his game.
I suspect if we were to keep Rashford long-term, he'd probably be a bit underwhelmed coming here and not going to a PSG or Barca as he may have expected. He'll be having one eye on the exit all next season.
Of course, he could love it here, the style and feeling less pressure to carry a team on his shoulder and may want to stay longer. I'd still worry he could slip back to malaise though.
I think he's going to be good for us, but even if he bangs in 10 goals I don't think we should just jump in and make it permanent. I feel this is potentially best as a short and romantic tryst, like Beni (that one not becoming permanent was of course different circumstances). I think much like the most expensive firework out the back of that van, we'll see an explosive impact before he inevitably fizzles out quickly. Like Coutinho. So let's get to May and evaluate whether it's best to wave goodbye before the fizzle starts.
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I'm not sure about that. Assuming he plays well I think the biggest factor in whether we take up the option will be whether we're in the champions League again or not.
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I'm not sure about that. Assuming he plays well I think the biggest factor in whether we take up the option will be whether we're in the champions League again or not.
Yup, that feels about right.
If we end up in the top five, he's likely done quite a bit to put us there so we'll want to keep him, will have the money to be able to afford to, and he's more likely to want to stay.
If we end up sixth or below (and don't win it) then he probably hasn't done enough to make us want him permanently, we wouldn't be able to afford it and he wouldn't want us to.
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Breaking down the athletic article TV shared on transfers for each player and some key pieces.
Marcus Rashford’s arrival encapsulated Aston Villa’s transfer window.
It was unexpected and a product of a volatile market, stretching several targets, setbacks and late frenzy.
Rashford was Villa’s marquee signing. They had signed one of Britain’s most talked about footballers, known for his inherent talent but equally increasing concerns. Unai Emery was enamoured with Rashford and encouraged by him being out of favour at Manchester United.
"At his best, Emery regards Rashford among the most threatening attackers in the world and backs himself to rejuvenate the 27-year-old. When it became evident there were diminishing alternatives for Rashford and Villa could make the finances work — largely owing to what had gone before in the window — senior figures quickly pressed ahead.
Villa will contribute a minimum of three-quarters of Rashford’s wages, which stands at more than £325,000 (€390,000, $403,500) per week and up to 90 per cent depending on performance-based bonuses.
Sources at Villa and close to players, speaking on the condition of anonymity to protect relationships, expressed their excitement at the signing, believing Emery, who thinks Rashford can operate on both flanks, as a No 10 and lone striker, will tap into a different side of the player’s personality and provide a platform to perform at his best. Villa possess an option to buy for £40million (€48.17m, $49.67m)
The swift nature of Rashford’s signing — with The Athletic reporting talks had started on Friday afternoon and the deal wrapped up Sunday night — underlined how the landscape changed almost daily at Villa."
Emery is right on the button, the likes of Bellingham followed in Rashfords footsteps and in my opinion Marcus is the better player of the 2, as previously mentioned he as been part of a bigger problem that is the club itself its not the other way around in that Man Utd's problems are down to the likes of Rashford as Man U fans would have you believe and here he is a Villa player, brilliant work by Emery and Monchi, can't wait until the weekend, its been ages since I looked forward to an FA Cup game as much, for me Marcus should be the first name on the team sheet, get him in there, show him some love, let him know we need him right at the top of his game, in fact this cup game coming up should be a seriously good game.
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In the Premier League, 87 in 287. Watkins has 69 in 170.
And I'll agree that 'doesn't really play much football' is a bit sloppy (though we all know what he means).
As long as you don't betray us for golf like russon.
As good as Ollie's goal-scoring has been, you're not comparing like-for-like here. Rashford has spent most of the last five years as a wide-forward, rather than a centre-forward. Most of his England caps have come as a wide-forward, not a centre-forward. He's closer to a goal-scoring winger than a centre-forward, though he has at times played through the middle.
The season he scored 30 a couple of years ago, he was used more centrally more often, but STILL more than half of his appearances were as a wide-forward.
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Rashford being better than Bellingham is a nuts take. I mean I hope so, but I'm not sure how you get 'there'.
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With the caveat that wide forwards in this day and age are often - depending on the system - expected to as much of a goal threat as the centre forward. You know, Saka, Salah, Zaha, Grealish. Names synonymous with prolific goalscoring.
Rashford by and large has played in those types of front threes, where he's been expected to be a goal threat. In that context I think it's fair enough to look at his goal record - and, if not, more than fair enough to look at his (very questionable) assists record!
I'm not against Rashford coming like I was. Emery is a mystic with attackers and I'd love nothing more in the world than for this to be a masterstroke. But if Rashford hadn't been underwhelming, underperforming, under-utilising his talent, then there's no way he'd be here in the first place!
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I do like the idea of us playing with three attackers. Actually, make it four!
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I'm not against Rashford coming like I was. Emery is a mystic with attackers and I'd love nothing more in the world than for this to be a masterstroke. But if Rashford hadn't been underwhelming, underperforming, under-utilising his talent, then there's no way he'd be here in the first place!
Didn't you just spend the morning defending the newspaper article that argued that he's actually quite good, but expectations of him are set too high?
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I'm not against Rashford coming like I was. Emery is a mystic with attackers and I'd love nothing more in the world than for this to be a masterstroke. But if Rashford hadn't been underwhelming, underperforming, under-utilising his talent, then there's no way he'd be here in the first place!
Didn't you just spend the morning defending the newspaper article that argued that he's actually quite good, but expectations of him are set too high?
Evidently, both can be true at the same time. He can be better, much better, than he's been; he's unlikely to be as good as Haaland or Salah, the only players in the league who earn more than him.
Anyway, I wasn't that interested in the point of the article, more that it's one to read if you like the style, and that there are reasons to praise journalism other than whether you like the arguments they make, and that some weren't grasping this point. And here we are again!
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With the caveat that wide forwards in this day and age are often - depending on the system - expected to as much of a goal threat as the centre forward. You know, Saka, Salah, Zaha, Grealish. Names synonymous with prolific goalscoring.
Rashford by and large has played in those types of front threes, where he's been expected to be a goal threat. In that context I think it's fair enough to look at his goal record - and, if not, more than fair enough to look at his (very questionable) assists record!
I'm not against Rashford coming like I was. Emery is a mystic with attackers and I'd love nothing more in the world than for this to be a masterstroke. But if Rashford hadn't been underwhelming, underperforming, under-utilising his talent, then there's no way he'd be here in the first place!
Saka has an almost identical goals per premier league game record as Rashford, in fact, it's very slightly worse (Rashford has a goal every 3.29 appearances, Saka every 3.57 appearances).
Rashford's scoring record is vastly superior to Saha and Grealish. Salah is a phenomenon.
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As a catchment if you look at Rashfords stats at that point in his career when things where as they should be, he is without doubt one of the most effective and most threatening forwards in the game, without question he know precisely where the goal is, put another way, which is probably what Emery is thinking, just where would Marcus Rashford be right now had Utd not gone into meltdown, 30 goals in a season plus assists is nothing to be sneezed at, sure that's what Emery is hoping for, I know I am, we have a very serious top player here if we can get his head back in the game.
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I agree Bo, I think there is huge potential to be unlocked.
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With the caveat that wide forwards in this day and age are often - depending on the system - expected to as much of a goal threat as the centre forward. You know, Saka, Salah, Zaha, Grealish. Names synonymous with prolific goalscoring.
Rashford by and large has played in those types of front threes, where he's been expected to be a goal threat. In that context I think it's fair enough to look at his goal record - and, if not, more than fair enough to look at his (very questionable) assists record!
I'm not against Rashford coming like I was. Emery is a mystic with attackers and I'd love nothing more in the world than for this to be a masterstroke. But if Rashford hadn't been underwhelming, underperforming, under-utilising his talent, then there's no way he'd be here in the first place!
Saka has an almost identical goals per premier league game record as Rashford, in fact, it's very slightly worse (Rashford has a goal every 3.29 appearances, Saka every 3.57 appearances).
Rashford's scoring record is vastly superior to Saha and Grealish. Salah is a phenomenon.
(I wasn't being entirely serious with my choice of examples - I am, amazingly, aware of Grealish's goalscoring record!)
Salah's salary is as flush as flash Rashford's. Maybe you'd expect a similar goals return - a phenomenon of sorts - from that, rather than being put in the shade by the same Ollie Watkins we always whinge about missing sitters.
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I agree Bo, I think there is huge potential to be unlocked.
Can't wait to see him come out that tunnel in a Villa shirt, don't get me wrong I hated the bloke when he emerged in that red shirt 😊 such a threat, such is football. 👍
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I agree Bo, I think there is huge potential to be unlocked.
Can't wait to see him come out that tunnel in a Villa shirt, don't get me wrong I hated the bloke when he emerged in that red shirt 😊 such a threat, such is football. 👍
Yep, under Emery, with Tielemans passing, the power of Rogers' running, and Watkins etc there too, then I think he can have some fun.
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I'm not against Rashford coming like I was. Emery is a mystic with attackers and I'd love nothing more in the world than for this to be a masterstroke. But if Rashford hadn't been underwhelming, underperforming, under-utilising his talent, then there's no way he'd be here in the first place!
Didn't you just spend the morning defending the newspaper article that argued that he's actually quite good, but expectations of him are set too high?
Evidently, both can be true at the same time. He can be better, much better, than he's been; he's unlikely to be as good as Haaland or Salah, the only players in the league who earn more than him.
Anyway, I wasn't that interested in the point of the article, more that it's one to read if you like the style, and that there are reasons to praise journalism other than whether you like the arguments they make, and that some weren't grasping this point. And here we are again!
Just say that then. I thought you were Barney's mom!
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He did say that!
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I agree Bo, I think there is huge potential to be unlocked.
Can't wait to see him come out that tunnel in a Villa shirt, don't get me wrong I hated the bloke when he emerged in that red shirt 😊 such a threat, such is football. 👍
Yep, under Emery, with Tielemans passing, the power of Rogers' running, and Watkins etc there too, then I think he can have some fun.
We could well be looking at a new Villa for the second part the season.
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I agree Bo, I think there is huge potential to be unlocked.
Can't wait to see him come out that tunnel in a Villa shirt, don't get me wrong I hated the bloke when he emerged in that red shirt 😊 such a threat, such is football. 👍
Yep, under Emery, with Tielemans passing, the power of Rogers' running, and Watkins etc there too, then I think he can have some fun.
We could well be looking at a new Villa for the second part the season.
I'm genuinely quite excited about the prospect of our attack for the rest of the season. We have options that we've just not had. Diaby going, and Bailey's lack of form took away some of our unpredictability and threat, the added players seem confident and hungry to play. Emery will have told them all they have a big part to play, that he wants to finish Top 4/5 and win a trophy.
Rashford has that ability, moving to us suggests he has the ambition.
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Just say that then. I thought you were Barney's mom!
Imagine liking anything.
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He did say that!
Good! My tag team of Mr magoo eyesight and trying to read this thread on the bus has obviously tripped me up.
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He did say that!
Good! My tag team of Mr magoo eyesight and trying to read this thread on the bus has obviously tripped me up.
Top deck or bottom?
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Just say that then. I thought you were Barney's mom!
Imagine liking anything.
I don't need to imagine liking you. xox
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Just say that then. I thought you were Barney's mom!
Imagine liking anything.
I don't need to imagine liking you. xox
I'm so easy.
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He is used to winning at Villa Park. That's a good start.
Best of luck Marcus.
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It is exciting but I just remember that clip of him barely following the opposition around at Luton ( might have been Barkley ) last season
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It is exciting but I just remember that clip of him barely following the opposition around at Luton ( might have been Barkley ) last season
There was another shocker away at Newcastle. I think it was Jamie Redknapp went to town on him at half time, he didn't try a leg. Playing on left wing too. There was no excuse.
For football reasons alone, I don't think it's going to work, I don't see any tactical setup that is going to give him that spot high on left wing he likes. Similar to Coutinho, I also think when the fire is gone from a player it is very hard for it to consistently return. It isn't one season with Rashford where he has downed tools, it's 3 of the last 4 and maybe 4 different managers in that time.
But Rashford has a nice start opening up for him with a cup game v Spurs, Watkins out and a bit less pressure as Asensio also urgently needs to get his career on track too. Best of luck to him.
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I honestly think he will love it here once he has settled in, and we will quickly see the player he was a few years ago. The contrast between us and Manure could not be greater at the moment - we've got a strong, settled and happy squad under a progressive coach, a club that seems to be working to a clear plan and a support base enjoying where we are without the sense of entitlement he has been playing under throughout his career up to now.
I've thought this a fair bit recently, but if you are an ambitious and professional young footballer then Villa is an incredibly attractive prospect at the moment. We are playing at the very highest level, with one of the best coaches in the world but without the circus surrounding us you get elsewhere.
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Think he'll do OK but he'll have to something remarkable for us to make it permanent. The transfer fee isn't too bad, but I don't see with our PSR concerns him doing well enough to justify us paying his typical salary.
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If he does something remarkable, he'll go somewhere else. £40 million isn't a big deal these days
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Well, if he wants a move like Barca to happen, then he has to have a few good months in the shop window.
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It's going to depend on the end of our season.
Get a Champions League place, then it makes us very attractive, as well as rich. As we saw with Duran, there are only a handful of clubs that could afford him and he has pissed one of them off and would be very unlikely to move to man city or liverpool.
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If he does something remarkable, he'll go somewhere else. £40 million isn't a big deal these days
It isn't but add the £250k a week wages and it suddenly becomes a big investment. Coutinho's fee wasn't absurdly high but his wages were big.
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Is he moving to Birmingham for duration of his contract?
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Is he moving to Birmingham for duration of his contract?
No, but I don't think anyone would really expect him to would they?
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For some reason he's actually moved to the Shetlands, so will commute from there.
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I thought our players based themselves in Bahrain so they can get a strawpedo?
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It's a ploy to apply pressure on the government to get the Birmingham to Manchester part of HS2 restarted.
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The reason he has become available is that Amorim has been told to get rid of him and Casemiro in order to get the wage bill down and also when talking to possible new arrivals the agents can’t use their wages as what will be required.
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I honestly think he will love it here once he has settled in, and we will quickly see the player he was a few years ago. The contrast between us and Manure could not be greater at the moment - we've got a strong, settled and happy squad under a progressive coach, a club that seems to be working to a clear plan and a support base enjoying where we are without the sense of entitlement he has been playing under throughout his career up to now.
I've thought this a fair bit recently, but if you are an ambitious and professional young footballer then Villa is an incredibly attractive prospect at the moment. We are playing at the very highest level, with one of the best coaches in the world but without the circus surrounding us you get elsewhere.
I agree. We have first class facilities to boot and behave like you'd expect a big club to behave without the circus that ManU has. Our management team are supportive and encouraging, and won't dig our players out in public, so we're a safe place for a player to be.
This could be brilliant.
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I saw Monchi said the same in an interview about how the Villa brand is making it easier to attract players. Could be corporate schmooze but it does make sense. Emery is a big draw and the club being consistently forward thinking in a sea of clubs acting like clowns has to count for something.
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The reason he has become available is that Amorim has been told to get rid of him and Casemiro in order to get the wage bill down and also when talking to possible new arrivals the agents can’t use their wages as what will be required.
I wish that were true, Fred. Rashford's problems are extremely well documented and I don't doubt for a second that Amorim would prefer to have a striker at the club rather than having to play Kobbie Mainoo as a false 9. Maybe he wants to get himself sacked.
Casemiro's legs have gone and simply doesn't fit the system Amorim is trying to introduce there. They had their pants pulled down by Real Madrid and have had one decent season out of him.
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I saw Monchi said the same in an interview about how the Villa brand is making it easier to attract players. Could be corporate schmooze but it does make sense. Emery is a big draw and the club being consistently forward thinking in a sea of clubs acting like clowns has to count for something.
There's a growing number of forward thinking clubs, with good people, trying to do things in the right way, and we're a big club doing the same. It's bound to make us attractive.
Having higher-profile players in our squad helps a lot too.
Martinez, Rashford, Asensio and Watkins are clearly all in that top echelon. Mings, Kamara, Tielemans and Onana are there or thereabouts and with Rogers and Ramsey getting into better and better form you'd hope they will be viewed in that way too.
The thing I like about our recruitment is that we're signing and developing good people who do good things. Mings and Rashford are people who strive to improve the lives of others outside of football, and that stands us in good stead.
Now we just need to win a trophy.
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The reason he has become available is that Amorim has been told to get rid of him and Casemiro in order to get the wage bill down and also when talking to possible new arrivals the agents can’t use their wages as what will be required.
I wish that were true, Fred. Rashford's problems are extremely well documented and I don't doubt for a second that Amorim would prefer to have a striker at the club rather than having to play Kobbie Mainoo as a false 9. Maybe he wants to get himself sacked.
He's got strikers, he picked Mainoo over Zirkzee and Hoilund against Palace.
Maybe Amorim just isn't as good as it looked like he might be?
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Just had a clip on SSN when he met OLlie at training
Must be nice to be surrounded by decent , family men and nice human beings he has met before through England camps
Tyrone
Ollie
Ross
Konsa
I think he may love it here away from the madness
I noticed he smiled instantly in his arrival interview when Mings name was mentioned. Maybe he can be a big brother figure and help him get back on track.
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
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Fully agree, Drummond - especially about improving players. Luiz was a good example of that, I feel bad for him, but without Villa's set up, it's not that simple. Whereas someone like Rogers comes in and no one sees his worth, not even the club he plays for, but Villa/Emery have a precise plan for him.
Yes to the trophy too. We've been so close under, respectfully, lesser managers with lesser setups. Matter of time ;)
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The reason he has become available is that Amorim has been told to get rid of him and Casemiro in order to get the wage bill down and also when talking to possible new arrivals the agents can’t use their wages as what will be required.
I wish that were true, Fred. Rashford's problems are extremely well documented and I don't doubt for a second that Amorim would prefer to have a striker at the club rather than having to play Kobbie Mainoo as a false 9. Maybe he wants to get himself sacked.
He's got strikers, he picked Mainoo over Zirkzee and Hoilund against Palace.
Maybe Amorim just isn't as good as it looked like he might be?
Ha! And there was me thinking you knew a thing or two about football. ;) I'm delighted they have Zirkzee and Hoilund, neither would make our bench and you're being very generous to call them strikers. Their recruitment has been shocking for years, long may it continue. They really have been stitched up by the Glazers, if it was any other club I'd feel sorry for the fans.
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You still play them over Mainoo up top, madness.
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I think both Zirkzee and Hojlund are decent players who've been made to look worse than they are. That doesn't mean Amorim's wrong to drop them, they're low on confidence and he's casting around for anything that works (as long as it's within a shape that resolutely, steadfastly, absolutely 100% doesn't suit the actual group of players he's got). But let's say it probably won't help them much.
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In no one else’s world with the possible exception of Alex McLeish are you starting a game with a defensive midfielder upfront instead of two recognised and not that bad strikers.
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I don't think either are bad players, just that between them they aren't £100m worth of players. Which isn't their fault. They may become that, at a similar age to they are Ollie was scoring 10 in his first season at Championship level, as a bit of Villa related context.
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I don't think either are bad players, just that between them they aren't £100m worth of players. Which isn't their fault. They may become that, at a similar age to they are Ollie was scoring 10 in his first season at Championship level, as a bit of Villa related context.
That puts it firmly into perspective. Their squad is full of massively overpaid players who can't live up to the price tag, which is obviously hilarious.
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I don't think either are bad players, just that between them they aren't £100m worth of players. Which isn't their fault. They may become that, at a similar age to they are Ollie was scoring 10 in his first season at Championship level, as a bit of Villa related context.
That puts it firmly into perspective. Their squad is full of massively overpaid players who can't live up to the price tag, which is obviously hilarious.
I also don’t think they’ve had good enough coaches to improve them. Both those players would be better under Emery after a year than they would be under anyone they’ve had lately.
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I don't think either are bad players, just that between them they aren't £100m worth of players. Which isn't their fault. They may become that, at a similar age to they are Ollie was scoring 10 in his first season at Championship level, as a bit of Villa related context.
That puts it firmly into perspective. Their squad is full of massively overpaid players who can't live up to the price tag, which is obviously hilarious.
I also don’t think they’ve had good enough coaches to improve them. Both those players would be better under Emery after a year than they would be under anyone they’ve had lately.
Another difference is that we can lose 2-0 at home to Crystal Palace without it being one of the main stories for every sports outlet for three straight days. The amount of media coverage they are afforded is staggering. That can't be helpful when things aren't going well.
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On a human level I feel a bit for them, they didn't force Man U to overpay them and it can be easy being a young man in a new country being scrutinised and criticised so much.
On a football level it's funny as fuck that Man U are a basket case that keeps getting worse.
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Man Utd Career stats all comps
Rashford 426 matches played.
Goals and Assists involvement 198
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
The main reason it didn't work for Marcus Rashford at Man United is down to Marcus Rashford. Let's not kid ourselves. The last player I can recall who took the piss out of our club in such a manner was Gabby.
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I don't think either are bad players, just that between them they aren't £100m worth of players. Which isn't their fault. They may become that, at a similar age to they are Ollie was scoring 10 in his first season at Championship level, as a bit of Villa related context.
That puts it firmly into perspective. Their squad is full of massively overpaid players who can't live up to the price tag, which is obviously hilarious.
Funnily enough, that's why this window was probably their best in several years, but it seems unlikely their fans will see it that way. They need several more where they clear out the wage bill and don't sign any overpriced and overpaid wasters.
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
The main reason it didn't work for Marcus Rashford at Man United is down to Marcus Rashford. Let's not kid ourselves. The last player I can recall who took the piss out of our club in such a manner was Gabby.
Cheer up bb, you can look forward to giving him low marks in scores if you think he’s going to be that bad.
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
The main reason it didn't work for Marcus Rashford at Man United is down to Marcus Rashford. Let's not kid ourselves. The last player I can recall who took the piss out of our club in such a manner was Gabby.
You sure about that? He's got 7 goals and 3 assists this season despite not playing for ages. Third behind Diallo and Fernandes. I don't recall Gabby giving an fraction of a shit that Rashford has given that colossal fuck up at Man in the relegation season.
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I have my reservations about the signing myself but I'm an Englishman and fair play dictates we should at least wait to see him play before commencing slagging him off.
Looks in good shape in that photo, far better than he did in the signing photo when he looked dishevilled, good fresh Warwickshire air doing him the power of good.
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"Ooooooooooooooo you fat bastard aahhh"
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
The main reason it didn't work for Marcus Rashford at Man United is down to Marcus Rashford. Let's not kid ourselves. The last player I can recall who took the piss out of our club in such a manner was Gabby.
What a jolly ray of sunshine you are.
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
The main reason it didn't work for Marcus Rashford at Man United is down to Marcus Rashford. Let's not kid ourselves. The last player I can recall who took the piss out of our club in such a manner was Gabby.
You sure about that? He's got 7 goals and 3 assists this season despite not playing for ages. Third behind Diallo and Fernandes. I don't recall Gabby giving an fraction of a shit that Rashford has given that colossal fuck up at Man in the relegation season.
Yes I am sure. I've seen him enough over last couple of seasons that the stats fail to mask. The fact he is third on their scoring charts says more about how inept the rest of them are than any hard luck story. It costs nothing to run and give your all. That's the bare minimum for any player, not to mind a homegrown player getting an outrageous wage. Let's not rewrite history.
Look, maybe he can go on and have an impact for us like Carew had. From memory Houllier was basically trying to bomb Carew out of Lyon at the time for whatever it cost (Milan Baros 😂) , nightclubs and everything else. But he's still a cult hero at Villa Park
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Looking at the table today it struck me that while we sit in 8th our -4 goal difference puts us 12th level with Wolves. It looks like they've achieved what they set out to do which is to supercharge our firepower in one fell swoop. I'm really looking forward to seeing some fantastic attacking football with the holy trinity of Watkins, Rashford and Ascencio causing mayhem aided and abetted by Malen and Rogers. Who knows it might even spark Bailey into life. I think we're going to go on an all out assault to try and secure 5th spot which should be enough to qualify for CL football. Buckle up Dorothy it's going to be an exciting ride. Bring it on.
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Gabby took the piss for years. Rashford seems more a case of the owners have finally realised they can't keep paying crazy wages and a new manager doesn't want him. If Rashford had an attitude problem you'd think he'd just do a Winston Bogarde and sit out his contract for a few years and retire. Instead he's making a move where he'll be under the spotlight to show he isn't, or is, the issue.
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
The main reason it didn't work for Marcus Rashford at Man United is down to Marcus Rashford. Let's not kid ourselves. The last player I can recall who took the piss out of our club in such a manner was Gabby.
You sure about that? He's got 7 goals and 3 assists this season despite not playing for ages. Third behind Diallo and Fernandes. I don't recall Gabby giving an fraction of a shit that Rashford has given that colossal fuck up at Man in the relegation season.
Yes I am sure. I've seen him enough over last couple of seasons that the stats fail to mask. The fact he is third on their scoring charts says more about how inept the rest of them are than any hard luck story. It costs nothing to run and give your all. That's the bare minimum for any player, not to mind a homegrown player getting an outrageous wage. Let's not rewrite history.
Look, maybe he can go on and have an impact for us like Carew had. From memory Houllier was basically trying to bomb Carew out of Lyon at the time for whatever it cost (Milan Baros 😂) , nightclubs and everything else. But he's still a cult hero at Villa Park
Have you sat a few rows behind me throughout my whole Villa supporting life?
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
The main reason it didn't work for Marcus Rashford at Man United is down to Marcus Rashford. Let's not kid ourselves. The last player I can recall who took the piss out of our club in such a manner was Gabby.
You sure about that? He's got 7 goals and 3 assists this season despite not playing for ages. Third behind Diallo and Fernandes. I don't recall Gabby giving an fraction of a shit that Rashford has given that colossal fuck up at Man in the relegation season.
Yes I am sure. I've seen him enough over last couple of seasons that the stats fail to mask. The fact he is third on their scoring charts says more about how inept the rest of them are than any hard luck story. It costs nothing to run and give your all. That's the bare minimum for any player, not to mind a homegrown player getting an outrageous wage. Let's not rewrite history.
Look, maybe he can go on and have an impact for us like Carew had. From memory Houllier was basically trying to bomb Carew out of Lyon at the time for whatever it cost (Milan Baros 😂) , nightclubs and everything else. But he's still a cult hero at Villa Park
Have you sat a few rows behind me throughout my whole Villa supporting life?
Only when the guards permit
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At least we dont have to worry when we get a penalty .
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At least we dont have to worry when we get a penalty .
Ollie's only out for 10 days.
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At least we dont have to worry when we get a penalty .
You’ve gone and fucked it now.
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
The main reason it didn't work for Marcus Rashford at Man United is down to Marcus Rashford. Let's not kid ourselves. The last player I can recall who took the piss out of our club in such a manner was Gabby.
I'm genuinely stunned you'd compare Rashford at Man Utd to Gabby with us. In Gabby's last 3 years with us (from age 29 up), he played a total of 38 times, and scored three goals. Rashford has maintained a 1 in 3 scoring record whenever he's been called upon.
Man Utd is a shambles of a club right now, and so I won't judge a player based purely on how it's gone for them there under three different managers in three years. Look at Scott McTominay, deemed not good enough for their midfield, and now leading the title charge at the heart of Napoli's midfield in Serie A. Look at Antony Elanga, tearing it up at Forest. All it seems to take is to get the decent players out of that environment and they can thrive.
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Even that Antony bloke was at his new club 5 minutes and he gave a MoTM performance.
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
The main reason it didn't work for Marcus Rashford at Man United is down to Marcus Rashford. Let's not kid ourselves. The last player I can recall who took the piss out of our club in such a manner was Gabby.
I'm genuinely stunned you'd compare Rashford at Man Utd to Gabby with us. In Gabby's last 3 years with us (from age 29 up), he played a total of 38 times, and scored three goals. Rashford has maintained a 1 in 3 scoring record whenever he's been called upon.
Man Utd is a shambles of a club right now, and so I won't judge a player based purely on how it's gone for them there under three different managers in three years. Look at Scott McTominay, deemed not good enough for their midfield, and now leading the title charge at the heart of Napoli's midfield in Serie A. Look at Antony Elanga, tearing it up at Forest. All it seems to take is to get the decent players out of that environment and they can thrive.
Anthony got man of the match on his debut for Real Betis.
Edit: as noted by AV84 !
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Rashford could lose as much as 100% of the sponsorship money he receives from Nike because the sportswear giant considers Aston Villa a lower category of club than United. Nike could also ask him to partially pay back signing-on fees.
No idea if that's true or not, but how ridiculous that he could seemingly do absolutely nothing at Man Utd, literally not be seen on a pitch, and they'd still have happily paid him for the association. But get actual game time at a CL club and it's seen as lowering yourself?! What a load of balls.
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Yes I read that with a fair bit of cynacism, wouldn't he have just signed a contact for a set period of time with bonuses for winning stuff.
The contract would run to biblical length if it listed all world clubs into catagories they'd pay him if he moved there
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
The main reason it didn't work for Marcus Rashford at Man United is down to Marcus Rashford. Let's not kid ourselves. The last player I can recall who took the piss out of our club in such a manner was Gabby.
I'm genuinely stunned you'd compare Rashford at Man Utd to Gabby with us. In Gabby's last 3 years with us (from age 29 up), he played a total of 38 times, and scored three goals. Rashford has maintained a 1 in 3 scoring record whenever he's been called upon.
Man Utd is a shambles of a club right now, and so I won't judge a player based purely on how it's gone for them there under three different managers in three years. Look at Scott McTominay, deemed not good enough for their midfield, and now leading the title charge at the heart of Napoli's midfield in Serie A. Look at Antony Elanga, tearing it up at Forest. All it seems to take is to get the decent players out of that environment and they can thrive.
McTominay and Elanga were never accused of not trying though. There's a big difference.
There's a lot of parallels with Rashford & Gabby. Talented forward players maybe too reliant on their pace and power to the detriment of the technical skills. At the same age Rashford is now, Gabby was flying for a stint under Lambert on the LW up with Benteke and Weimann (the time to sell him in hindsight). I've memories of him being called up by England around then but not showing up for whatever reason. Never as prolific as Rashford sure but could be a very effective PL player when he wanted to be.
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At the same age Rashford is Gabby scored 10 goals in the rest of his career.
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
The main reason it didn't work for Marcus Rashford at Man United is down to Marcus Rashford. Let's not kid ourselves. The last player I can recall who took the piss out of our club in such a manner was Gabby.
I'm genuinely stunned you'd compare Rashford at Man Utd to Gabby with us. In Gabby's last 3 years with us (from age 29 up), he played a total of 38 times, and scored three goals. Rashford has maintained a 1 in 3 scoring record whenever he's been called upon.
Man Utd is a shambles of a club right now, and so I won't judge a player based purely on how it's gone for them there under three different managers in three years. Look at Scott McTominay, deemed not good enough for their midfield, and now leading the title charge at the heart of Napoli's midfield in Serie A. Look at Antony Elanga, tearing it up at Forest. All it seems to take is to get the decent players out of that environment and they can thrive.
McTominay and Elanga were never accused of not trying though. There's a big difference.
There's a lot of parallels with Rashford & Gabby. Talented forward players maybe too reliant on their pace and power to the detriment of the technical skills. At the same age Rashford is now, Gabby was flying for a stint under Lambert on the LW up with Benteke and Weimann (the time to sell him in hindsight). I've memories of him being called up by England around then but not showing up for whatever reason. Never as prolific as Rashford sure but could be a very effective PL player when he wanted to be.
Yet more ways to weirdly keep doubling down on anything you can find to have a pop at him. It's bullshit to say Rashford relies on his pace to the detriment of his technical skills. He's a very skillful player and way more technical than Gabby ever was. His dribbling skills are superb Gabbys we're not and when did you ever see Gabby smash a free kick in from 25 yards? People who disagree with him signing are desperately digging around for anything detrimental to say about him and it's becoming very tiresome. You dont agree with him signing for us. I get it. But I do hope that when he scores a beauty in front of the Holte End you stick to your principles and refuse to celebrate.
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At the same age Rashford is Gabby scored 10 goals in the rest of his career.
On the plus side, eight of them were winners against Small Heath.
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At the same age Rashford is Gabby scored 10 goals in the rest of his career.
On the plus side, eight of them were winners against Small Heath.
True. He'll always be a hero to us for his prolific scoring record against the noses. Even if Rashford were to stay for another 5 years he'll never match that stat. Hopefully he will never have to try.
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I'll never view that fat waster as a hero, regardless of how many he scored against them. Unlike that image of Rashford, he genuinely did become overweight for a footballer. He epitomised the years of our decline.
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I blame O'Neill for that, he made him bulk up.
Anyway, Rashford, as I suggested in December (insight, intuition, foresight, fluke, desperately searching for someone, anyone to help the cause 😉 ) he will add unpredictability to our frontline.
He has all the ability in the world, and whilst Emery will be demanding of him in our way, he will get the best out of him.
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I blame O'Neill for that, he made him bulk up.
Strange that this often gets repeated when O’Neill denies it and said at the time that he was surprised by Gabby’s change in build.
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
The main reason it didn't work for Marcus Rashford at Man United is down to Marcus Rashford. Let's not kid ourselves. The last player I can recall who took the piss out of our club in such a manner was Gabby.
I'm genuinely stunned you'd compare Rashford at Man Utd to Gabby with us. In Gabby's last 3 years with us (from age 29 up), he played a total of 38 times, and scored three goals. Rashford has maintained a 1 in 3 scoring record whenever he's been called upon.
Man Utd is a shambles of a club right now, and so I won't judge a player based purely on how it's gone for them there under three different managers in three years. Look at Scott McTominay, deemed not good enough for their midfield, and now leading the title charge at the heart of Napoli's midfield in Serie A. Look at Antony Elanga, tearing it up at Forest. All it seems to take is to get the decent players out of that environment and they can thrive.
McTominay and Elanga were never accused of not trying though. There's a big difference.
There's a lot of parallels with Rashford & Gabby. Talented forward players maybe too reliant on their pace and power to the detriment of the technical skills. At the same age Rashford is now, Gabby was flying for a stint under Lambert on the LW up with Benteke and Weimann (the time to sell him in hindsight). I've memories of him being called up by England around then but not showing up for whatever reason. Never as prolific as Rashford sure but could be a very effective PL player when he wanted to be.
Detriment of their technical skills? I'm beginning to wonder if you've ever actually watched Rashford play? He's a very technicaly, very skillful player. Gabby had pace and was an okay finisher when on form - but his technical skills were well below average. That's not a criticism of him, it's just he wasn't that sort of player. He was never expected to dribble around two players and put one in the top corner - he wasn't that sort player.
Nothing like Rashford. The only similarity is some of his own fans think he was lazy. The difference is with Gabby it was almost universal across the fan base, whereas with Rashford there are still PLENTY of Man Utd fans who think he's been hard done by and mismanaged with a great player still in there.
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I'm going to enjoy fans of other top clubs regretting making this move for Rashford and the media losing their mind as he performs well for little olf Villa. Of course it will circle back to why it didn't work at Man U at every opportunity.
The main reason it didn't work for Marcus Rashford at Man United is down to Marcus Rashford. Let's not kid ourselves. The last player I can recall who took the piss out of our club in such a manner was Gabby.
I'm genuinely stunned you'd compare Rashford at Man Utd to Gabby with us. In Gabby's last 3 years with us (from age 29 up), he played a total of 38 times, and scored three goals. Rashford has maintained a 1 in 3 scoring record whenever he's been called upon.
Man Utd is a shambles of a club right now, and so I won't judge a player based purely on how it's gone for them there under three different managers in three years. Look at Scott McTominay, deemed not good enough for their midfield, and now leading the title charge at the heart of Napoli's midfield in Serie A. Look at Antony Elanga, tearing it up at Forest. All it seems to take is to get the decent players out of that environment and they can thrive.
McTominay and Elanga were never accused of not trying though. There's a big difference.
There's a lot of parallels with Rashford & Gabby. Talented forward players maybe too reliant on their pace and power to the detriment of the technical skills. At the same age Rashford is now, Gabby was flying for a stint under Lambert on the LW up with Benteke and Weimann (the time to sell him in hindsight). I've memories of him being called up by England around then but not showing up for whatever reason. Never as prolific as Rashford sure but could be a very effective PL player when he wanted to be.
Detriment of their technical skills? I'm beginning to wonder if you've ever actually watched Rashford play? He's a very technicaly, very skillful player. Gabby had pace and was an okay finisher when on form - but his technical skills were well below average. That's not a criticism of him, it's just he wasn't that sort of player. He was never expected to dribble around two players and put one in the top corner - he wasn't that sort player.
Nothing like Rashford. The only similarity is some of his own fans think he was lazy. The difference is with Gabby it was almost universal across the fan base, whereas with Rashford there are still PLENTY of Man Utd fans who think he's been hard done by and mismanaged with a great player still in there.
There's no Man United fan I know who thinks Rashford has been hard done by at their club.
Anyway he's with us now so let's see how he gets on.
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There's no Man United fan I know who thinks Rashford has been hard done by at their club.
Anyway he's with us now so let's see how he gets on.
Convenient that.
I know a couple of ManU fans and when I asked they think that he's been singled out because of his wages but has also clearly let it affect his game and attitude so it's probably best for everyone for him to leave.
As for the last line, most people got there a few days ago, it's only really you still moaning about him.
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One of my closest friends is one of them. Glory hunting Gavin we call him but he has had a season ticket for over 20 years and Rashford is his all time favourite player. He's gutted that it's come to this. He's of the opinion that it's 50/50 as for who's to blame but he blames the club 100% for not dealing with it and allowing the situation to come to this. Oh and he's met him at a charity event and he's a thoroughly decent and charming person.
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The Talksport Man United fanclub Alex Crook was slagging off Rashford and the move asking if Amorim is stupid to Jim White - White said no. However, playing Mainoo up front is a touch of genius none of us are even qualified to understand nor should we.
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The reason he has become available is that Amorim has been told to get rid of him and Casemiro in order to get the wage bill down and also when talking to possible new arrivals the agents can’t use their wages as what will be required.
I wish that were true, Fred. Rashford's problems are extremely well documented and I don't doubt for a second that Amorim would prefer to have a striker at the club rather than having to play Kobbie Mainoo as a false 9. Maybe he wants to get himself sacked.
He's got strikers, he picked Mainoo over Zirkzee and Hoilund against Palace.
Maybe Amorim just isn't as good as it looked like he might be?
Ha! And there was me thinking you knew a thing or two about football. ;) I'm delighted they have Zirkzee and Hoilund, neither would make our bench and you're being very generous to call them strikers. Their recruitment has been shocking for years, long may it continue. They really have been stitched up by the Glazers, if it was any other club I'd feel sorry for the fans.
I appreciate that you have too much emotionally invested in Amorim now to entertain the possibility that he might not turn out to be the second coming of Christ.
Playing your defensive midfielder up front only looks clever if it works, not if you slip meekly to a 2-0 home defeat to Crystal Palace. Particularly if it happens on the day that you're shipping out a player that's scored 138 goals for you to a club higher up the league, because you haven't been good enough to get him playing.
He's currently on fewer points per game than any Man Utd manager since Dave Sexton. He might turn it around and get them moving, but he wouldn't be the first promising manager to excel at a lower level and fall short when stepping up a level.
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To be fair, that's such a basket case of a club, with utterly scumbag owners and strange investors and operators, that it's going to be very difficult to turn it around without wholesale changes from top to bottom. I hope it takes a very, very long time.
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Worst change of ownership since Doctor Tony Uber.
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To be fair, that's such a basket case of a club, with utterly scumbag owners and strange investors and operators, that it's going to be very difficult to turn it around without wholesale changes from top to bottom. I hope it takes a very, very long time.
Agreed on all counts. But there are small things you can do in the short term - like not playing Kobbie Mainoo up front.
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One of my closest friends is one of them. Glory hunting Gavin we call him but he has had a season ticket for over 20 years and Rashford is his all time favourite player and he's gutted that it's come to this. He's of the opinion that it's 50/50 as for who's to blame but he blames the club 100% for not dealing with it and allowing the situation to come to this. Oh and he's met him at a charity event and he's a thoroughly decent and charming person.
The two Man Utd fans I know are of almost exactly the same opinion. Great player, hasn't been the best recently, but successive managers have failed to get the best out of him - which they have to also take blame for. Though one was a bit more industrial language adding that "he can fuck off now he's gone to you lot".
The reality is it HASN'T gone well at Man Utd the last two years, and he probably should have left last summer when the club was briefing he was available. But he didn't leave, and it's likely we're going to be the beneficiaries of that.
I still maintain there is a large portion of the country's fan base that doesn't like him purely because of his political positions outside of football, rather than anything he's done (or hasn't done) on the pitch. He could score a 7 or 8 goals before the end of the season, but if you're of the "woke is evil" "BLM are terrorists" mindset, then the likelihood is you'd probably still want him nowhere near your team.
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The Talksport Man United fanclub Alex Crook was slagging off Rashford and the move asking if Amorim is stupid to Jim White - White said no. However, playing Mainoo up front is a touch of genius none of us are even qualified to understand nor should we.
We're not worthy.
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He is supposed to be one of the most incrediblest, magnificent young managers in the world yet has not been able to get a single tune out of the players he inherited. Pretty much what every new manager inherits - see Glasner at Palace, see Moyes at Everton, see the bloke at Wolves even, see Emery at Villa.
He cannot just keep rocking up to press conferences saying the players are shit and the team is the worst in their history and expect no one to notice that he has done nothing to change things in fact is worse than his predecessor at this point.
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He is supposed to be one of the most incrediblest, magnificent young managers in the world yet has not been able to get a single tune out of the players he inherited. Pretty much what every new manager inherits - see Glasner at Palace, see Moyes at Everton, see the bloke at Wolves even, see Emery at Villa.
He cannot just keep rocking up to press conferences saying the players are shit and the team is the worst in their history and expect no one to notice that he has done nothing to change things in fact is worse than his predecessor at this point.
Yeah but he has a system..... ;D
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I did a quick check of Rashford / Amorim's shared time together.
Amorim's first game, away to Ipswich - Rashford starts, 1-1, Rashford scores
Bodo Glimt - dropped to the bench, plays the last 30 minutes, Man Utd win 3-2
Everton - Rashford plays 90 minutes, scores twice, Man Utd win 4-0
Arsenal - Rashford dropped to the bench, plays the last 30 minutes, Man Utd lose 2-0
Forest - Rashford dropped to the bench, plays the last 30 minutes, Man Utd lose 3-2 (already losing 3-1 when he comes on)
Plzen - Rashford starts, subbed just before an hour, Man Utd win 2-1 (both goals coming after Rashford is subbed)
So he must have REALLY done something shocking in that first hour against Plzen to never be considered for selection again, given he was doing absolutely fine whenever he was called upon in the earlier matches.
And I wonder how jolly I'd be in training if I kept being dropped each time I'd played well.
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To be fair, that's such a basket case of a club, with utterly scumbag owners and strange investors and operators, that it's going to be very difficult to turn it around without wholesale changes from top to bottom. I hope it takes a very, very long time.
That's where the problem is. They had an asset worth £100M+ 2 years ago that's now £40M max. They're stewardship of that asset has seen its value fall over that 2 years. Digging your heels in is fine if the player responds in the way you hope. If he doesn't, then you need to change your stance. I do get the feeling that as he was paid so much there was a great resentment to Rashford in the boardroom when he wasn't delivering on the pitch which is understandable. There's a lot of egos in boardrooms and I would bet that someone has spoke their mind ( Ratcliffe?) to Rashford instead of identifying where the issues are. Not throwing the correct amount of resource at the problem to protect their asset I don't understand.
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Rashford is a convenient scapegoat to cover a whole clusterfuck of issues at Man Utd & the press are only too happy to lap it up. I think Ratcliffe & his treatment of staff there will have sickened Rashford to the point that he lost all respect for the club. They have been on a spiral downwards for a decade which is now accelerating.
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Rashford is a convenient scapegoat to cover a whole clusterfuck of issues at Man Utd & the press are only too happy to lap it up. I think Ratcliffe & his treatment of staff there will have sickened Rashford to the point that he lost all respect for the club. They have been on a spiral downwards for a decade which is now accelerating.
Just wait till he hears about Heck.
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The problem with Amorim he has a set way of playing, yet he does not have the players to play his way. Emery for example came in and worked out the best way to get the most out of his players. The next issue is they don’t have the capacity to fundamentally change the squad to adopt to his method.
It’s a glorious shit show.
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The problem with Amorim he has a set way of playing, yet he does not have the players to play his way. Emery for example came in and worked out the best way to get the most out of his players. The next issue is they don’t have the capacity to fundamentally change the squad to adopt to his method.
It’s a glorious shit show.
You'd think that they'd have considered whether the squad was suitable for Amorim's requirements before paying huge amounts of money to get him.
I'd also have thought that given Rashford's preference is to play high up the pitch as a wide forward cutting in from the left, surely Amorim's 4-3-3 is pretty much tailor-made for him to do that. As as above, he seemed to be doing it fine when Amorim was picking him.
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Nothing but trouble, send him back.
https://bsky.app/profile/avfcthereligion.bsky.social/post/3lhf6566joi2z
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Nothing but trouble, send him back.
https://bsky.app/profile/avfcthereligion.bsky.social/post/3lhf6566joi2z
How dare he
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I also heard he was seen actually kicking a ball at BMH. WTF!
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Nothing but trouble, send him back.
https://bsky.app/profile/avfcthereligion.bsky.social/post/3lhf6566joi2z
The hungry kids I know didn't even want his lunches because he played for the red filth. They told me as I was having my third sausage sandwich, with butter.
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I still maintain there is a large portion of the country's fan base that doesn't like him purely because of his political positions outside of football, rather than anything he's done (or hasn't done) on the pitch. He could score a 7 or 8 goals before the end of the season, but if you're of the "woke is evil" "BLM are terrorists" mindset, then the likelihood is you'd probably still want him nowhere near your team.
I must admit his off field stuff had, through time, kind of melted into 'um, did something for poor kids' in my mind, so I've just had a recap.
An impressive young man, good on him.
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He is supposed to be one of the most incrediblest, magnificent young managers in the world yet has not been able to get a single tune out of the players he inherited. Pretty much what every new manager inherits - see Glasner at Palace, see Moyes at Everton, see the bloke at Wolves even, see Emery at Villa.
He cannot just keep rocking up to press conferences saying the players are shit and the team is the worst in their history and expect no one to notice that he has done nothing to change things in fact is worse than his predecessor at this point.
Yeah but he has a system..... ;D
Or an "idea" as Gary Neville puts it. It's funny in football and increasingly in life how perception trumps actual results. Kompany taking Burnley down with his identity and somehow landing the Bayern gig off the back of it, for example.
Amorim I guess made clear to those INEOS clowns he had an "idea" that involves a strict 3421 formation regardless of the resources at his disposal or results. Playing an attacking midfielder up front in itself isn't an issue (false 9s have been used to win PL and international tournaments) but it seems deliberately provocative to do so near the end of a transfer window and leave two (admittedly average) strikers on the bench. The game where he played Eriksen and Casemiro in midfield v Newcastle seemed even more pointed imo, where he hooked Zirkzee early, when his midfield were getting destroyed. Jack Charlton did something similar with Liam Brady near the end, he admitted afterwards he needed to make a show of him. Amorim I reckon tried to do that with Casemiro that day.
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Nothing but trouble, send him back.
https://bsky.app/profile/avfcthereligion.bsky.social/post/3lhf6566joi2z
Toxic….
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To be fair, that's such a basket case of a club, with utterly scumbag owners and strange investors and operators, that it's going to be very difficult to turn it around without wholesale changes from top to bottom. I hope it takes a very, very long time.
Agreed on all counts. But there are small things you can do in the short term - like not playing Kobbie Mainoo up front.
Yep I think this is it. I’ve no doubt he’s got talent as a coach and he’s being dragged down by the hilarious Man Utd black hole. But he is doing stuff, as highlighted, that further exacerbates the problem. He’s taking a weirdly dogmatic approach.
Villa weren’t in amazing shape when Unai came in, he did alright pretty quickly.
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To be fair, that's such a basket case of a club, with utterly scumbag owners and strange investors and operators, that it's going to be very difficult to turn it around without wholesale changes from top to bottom. I hope it takes a very, very long time.
Agreed on all counts. But there are small things you can do in the short term - like not playing Kobbie Mainoo up front.
Yep I think this is it. I’ve no doubt he’s got talent as a coach and he’s being dragged down by the hilarious Man Utd black hole. But he is doing stuff, as highlighted, that further exacerbates the problem. He’s taking a weirdly dogmatic approach.
Villa weren’t in amazing shape when Unai came in, he did alright pretty quickly.
Emery's debut v ManU, winning 3-1 in what proved to be Ronaldo's last game for them, and ending their 9 match unbeaten run is one of my favourite games ever.
Emery had a plan and we looked like a team, we were organised, had a system and the players all knew what they were doing and were motivated.
It showed what can be done when a manager thinks about what he has, what the opponent offers and changes things accordingly.
Absolutely glorious.
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Nothing but trouble, send him back.
https://bsky.app/profile/avfcthereligion.bsky.social/post/3lhf6566joi2z
Toxic….
Total waste of space
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Nothing but trouble, send him back.
https://bsky.app/profile/avfcthereligion.bsky.social/post/3lhf6566joi2z
Toxic….
Total waste of space
Hope that kind of behaviour doesn't rub off on the others
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A panic buy. Wake up people.
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A disgrace and an embarrassment.
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Unprofessional with an attitude problem and fully deserves to have been singled out by Amorim!
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He has all the ability in the world, and whilst Emery will be demanding of him in our way, he will get the best out of him.
Pretty much where I am. There's still a great player in there, hopefully this fresh start will be just what he needs. As Man U pundits and journalists are queuing up to say, it's a brilliant opportunity for Rashford. Last chance saloon? Probably. It's up to him and given the positive environment he'll find at Villa Park, I'll be amazed if he doesn't take it with both hands.
As for Unai, there's massive respect from all and a common theme I'm hearing these last few days is how Rashford needs structure and instruction from Unai. You can bet the house he'll get it. Rashford has had so many different managers at Old Trafford, all with different styles and messages, it's little wonder he's confused. My guess is he'll be a willing student of Emery as he knows it brings results and can only be good for him.
Play him on the left, let him cut in and we'll hopefully start to see the best of him. He needs to put in the hard yards now to get up to speed. Once there we should have a proper player on our hands and his nightmare will be over.
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Someone cutting in and shooting, feels like bloody ages since we've done that. Not sure why as it seems to be very effective for our opponents.
Watching his YouTube goals you forget how good he can be, and Christ on a bike he can twat a football, that's always good to see, I'm bored of fanny shots as well.
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Rashford and Asensio both seem to be twat it specialists.
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Someone cutting in and shooting, feels like bloody ages since we've done that. Not sure why as it seems to be very effective for our opponents.
Watching his YouTube goals you forget how good he can be, and Christ on a bike he can twat a football, that's always good to see, I'm bored of fanny shots as well.
And this, ladies and gents, is why he sold up to David Sullivan.
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Someone cutting in and shooting, feels like bloody ages since we've done that. Not sure why as it seems to be very effective for our opponents.
Watching his YouTube goals you forget how good he can be, and Christ on a bike he can twat a football, that's always good to see, I'm bored of fanny shots as well.
My pet hate is shots straight at the keeper. It really shouldn't count as a shot on target. Give me a striker who can put it in the corner every day of the week and twice on Saturdays.
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Someone cutting in and shooting, feels like bloody ages since we've done that. Not sure why as it seems to be very effective for our opponents.
Watching his YouTube goals you forget how good he can be, and Christ on a bike he can twat a football, that's always good to see, I'm bored of fanny shots as well.
And this, ladies and gents, is why he sold up to David Sullivan.
You become desensitised.
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I had a little day-dream today about the scenario when Unai sits him down and explains what he wants.
“We are demanding you to run to this position when you see Youri about to receive with the ball - don’t worry about everyone else - I know you haven’t played with unselfish players in a while, but Ollie will make space for you. Do this, and you will get goals.”
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Risky doing extra training now he's a Villa player. It's only a matter of time before his hamstring goes.
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Risky doing extra training now he's a Villa player. It's only a matter of time before his hamstring goes.
You can relax, the reference to him doing extra training is from a couple of weeks ago (when he was still at Yanited).
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Just seeing Rashy do the mentality work out celebration even once will be great!
I don’t want to forecast how many goals he’ll score just yet - and in turn seeing the celebration.
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stop calling him Rashy FFS.
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It’s not confusing though because know who referring to. Especially as it’s on the Marcus Rashford thread.
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Rashmeister is better.
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It’s not confusing though because know who referring to. Especially as it’s on the Marcus Rashford thread.
But why though, just why? Personally I'm looking forward to a few goals from Mally, Watky and Assy.
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It’s not confusing though because know who referring to. Especially as it’s on the Marcus Rashford thread.
Could get confusing on a match thread if both Cashy and Rashy are playing.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjC8EDWXIAA8V1g?format=jpg&name=large)
Rashford looks gutted to be with us. Awful attitude
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Hopefully Rashers brings home the bacon.
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What's the problem? We had Birchy, Withey and Grant Holty?
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It’s not confusing though because know who referring to. Especially as it’s on the Marcus Rashford thread.
But why though, just why? Personally I'm looking forward to a few goals from Mally, Watky and Assy.
There's no need to get Assy about it, it's only the footy.
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It’s not confusing though because know who referring to. Especially as it’s on the Marcus Rashford thread.
But why though, just why? Personally I'm looking forward to a few goals from Mally, Watky and Assy.
There's no need to get Assy about it, it's only the footy.
Rashy is a nickname and shorter than Rash Meister.
Rashmeister is better.
Meister =denoting a person skilled or prominent in a specified area of activity.
Seems to suit some of our players with meister added on the end it’s mainly the uk players
Ginnmeister
Watmeister
Cashmeister
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjC8EDWXIAA8V1g?format=jpg&name=large)
Rashford looks gutted to be with us. Awful attitude
Look at the belly rolls on the fat bastard as well!!
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Adding a Y to a player's name is pretty basic.
Anyway back on topic, Hopefully Rashford will help get Leon Baile back on form.
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Meister =denoting a person skilled or prominent in a specified area of activity.
Seems to suit some of our players with meister added on the end it’s mainly the uk players
Ginnmeister
Watmeister
Cashmeister
That's already been claimed by Monchi.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjC8EDWXIAA8V1g?format=jpg&name=large)
Rashford looks gutted to be with us. Awful attitude
Look at the belly rolls on the fat bastard as well!!
Give to him when he asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away x3
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Adding a Y to a player's name is pretty basic.
Anyway back on topic, Hopefully Rashford will help get Leon Baile back on form.
Haha Ver Funn
That’s brilliant work! Hats off to you to be fair!
pwshinmeister!
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Oh FFS, this does my head in. When a player wants to have a nickname, or they accept one, I understand it , but they haven't asked for it. We're also not 6 year olds in the playground. We're not their friend, let's respect them enough to use their name properly.
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Oh FFS, this does my head in. When a player wants to have a nickname, or they accept one, I understand it , but they haven't asked for it. We're also not 6 year olds in the playground. We're not their friend, let's respect them enough to use their name properly.
You're right Drummondy.
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Oh FFS, this does my head in. When a player wants to have a nickname, or they accept one, I understand it , but they haven't asked for it. We're also not 6 year olds in the playground. We're not their friend, let's respect them enough to use their name properly.
Footy-Villy doesn't understand this.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjC8EDWXIAA8V1g?format=jpg&name=large)
Rashford looks gutted to be with us. Awful attitude
Look at the belly rolls on the fat bastard as well!!
Looks like he's had a shave, at least.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjC8EDWXIAA8V1g?format=jpg&name=large)
Rashford looks gutted to be with us. Awful attitude
Look at the belly rolls on the fat bastard as well!!
‘Yes Mainoo at number 9.’
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Debut hatrick , was Dublin the last one / only one.
That training gear , strange colours for us btw , very Norwich / Plymouth.
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That training gear , strange colours for us btw , very Norwich / Plymouth.
Celtic was my first though, given Adidas supply them too.
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That training gear , strange colours for us btw , very Norwich / Plymouth.
Celtic was my first though, given Adidas supply them too.
Yeah , maybe they had a load leftover and thought fuck it you're having this
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stop calling him Rashy FFS.
It's one step better than Lazy Arse.
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I've always called him Meals on Wheels since his great Charidy work mate .
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That training gear , strange colours for us btw , very Norwich / Plymouth.
Celtic was my first though, given Adidas supply them too.
Yeah , maybe they had a load leftover and thought fuck it you're having this
Green represents growth.
Some players will look better in green than others
If you get your colours done you can see what is the most suitable colours for you to look and feel your best.
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I've always called him Meals on Wheels since his great Charidy work mate .
Yes, that checks out.
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That training gear , strange colours for us btw , very Norwich / Plymouth.
Celtic was my first though, given Adidas supply them too.
Yeah , maybe they had a load leftover and thought fuck it you're having this
Green represents growth.
Some players will look better in green than others
If you get your colours done you can see what is the most suitable colours for you to look and feel your best.
Guess we have had green before in the muller kit, if they'd done a green red and black training palette I think people would get that rather than what they conjured up
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It’s not confusing though because know who referring to. Especially as it’s on the Marcus Rashford thread.
But why though, just why? Personally I'm looking forward to a few goals from Mally, Watky and Assy.
There's no need to get Assy about it, it's only the footy.
I see what you did there
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IMP PP Augustus Caesar Marcus Rashfordus
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The Rashmeister does sound a bit like he's a celebrated doctor renowned for his work treating STDs.
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Well after all that referee intercourse, there is probably plenty of work around.
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Debut hatrick , was Dublin the last one / only one.
That training gear , strange colours for us btw , very Norwich / Plymouth.
He didn’t score a hat-trick on his debut.
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Still feels really weird seeing him in a Villa kit. I wonder when he switches from "they" to"we" in interviews. I think that's when it will have reached acceptance for him. I would imagine the last 3-4 weeks have been emotionally exhausting for him.
I admire him taking the move here, it does show he's decided he wants to be a footballer again be very interesting how it goes. My lad has already ordered a shirt with Rashford on which I guess shows the side of this deal the club will be counting on. He's signed handedly moved the needle on club perception.
On the pitch he, Asensio and Disasi are really really lucky. We're in a decent league position, through in the CL and still in the FA cup, all in spite of our form in many ways, where we've been largely inconsistent all season. Going forward, Ollie, Rogers and Duran are the only players contributing goals and assists. From the left Rashford scores 6-7 goals and gets 4-5 assists he's immediately more productive than anyone we've played there in a long while. Asensio has an even lower bar. At the back we're terrible, so Disasi gets us any semblance of solidity we'll be into a winner.
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Debut hatrick , was Dublin the last one / only one.
That training gear , strange colours for us btw , very Norwich / Plymouth.
He didn’t score a hat-trick on his debut.
Don't let facts get in the way of a VT post, he never does.
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Two on debut, hat-trick second game, two in his third game. So I can see where VT got confused. It was a ridiculous start, anyway.
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Two on debut, hat-trick second game, two in his third game. So I can see where VT got confused. It was a ridiculous start, anyway.
Yeah, it was hardly VT's most egregious error on here.
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Did Dublin also have a goal ruled out on his debut?
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Did Dublin also have a goal ruled out on his debut?
Anyone who knows the answer to that must be a serious Villa historian.
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Still feels really weird seeing him in a Villa kit. I wonder when he switches from "they" to"we" in interviews. I think that's when it will have reached acceptance for him. I would imagine the last 3-4 weeks have been emotionally exhausting for him.
He was saying we in his signing interview, I'm pretty sure?
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Still feels really weird seeing him in a Villa kit. I wonder when he switches from "they" to"we" in interviews. I think that's when it will have reached acceptance for him. I would imagine the last 3-4 weeks have been emotionally exhausting for him.
He was saying we in his signing interview, I'm pretty sure?
It was the royal 'we'. Just shows how much his ego is out of control.
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Did Dublin also have a goal ruled out on his debut?
Yes. 10mins in although for some reason the goal is cut so only the highlight which I assumed called him offside from the "pass" by Ugo.
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Debut hatrick , was Dublin the last one / only one.
That training gear , strange colours for us btw , very Norwich / Plymouth.
He didn’t score a hat-trick on his debut.
Either way Dublin had a flying start to his Villa career as did Dean Saunders. Be bloody marvellous if Rashford could produce something similar in the coming weeks.
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I thought Dublin was going to our Cantona and fire us to the title, which I suppose is ironic as Cantona only became that for Man U when Dion bost his leg.
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I’m too slow. Anyway, first sentence of the report for big Dion’s debut:
(https://i.ibb.co/hxz385kN/Birmingham-Mail-09-November-1998.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hxz385kN)
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Dion had a third goal against Spuds incorrectly disallowed for offside so in reality he did score a hat trick on debut. As another poster relates, DD then scored three at Southampton. He then added a couple against Liverpool and also had a penalty saved by David 'the human flypaper' James. It's not stretching things too far to say he could have had three hattricks in his first three games, which seems incredible.
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It’s not confusing though because know who referring to. Especially as it’s on the Marcus Rashford thread.
Could get confusing on a match thread if both Cashy and Rashy are playing.
He's known as Cashy Matt in our house. When he shoots, I shout 'Cash is King!'. I'm great fun....
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It’s not confusing though because know who referring to. Especially as it’s on the Marcus Rashford thread.
Could get confusing on a match thread if both Cashy and Rashy are playing.
He's known as Cashy Matt in our house. When he shoots, I shout 'Cash is King!'. I'm great fun....
For a while now I've been referring to the 'D' on the edge of the box as 'the attic'. The main reason for this (other than it being a much better name than 'the D') is so that when we get corners, and our right back is lurking there, ready to strike, I can shout "Cash in the attic, Cash in the attic!". Unfortunately he, without fail, fucks it up every time it gets near him, and it just isn't catching on.
I'm also great fun...
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I normally start pining for a Cashless Villa Park.
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I normally start pining for a Cashless Villa Park.
That would be a true sign of progress.
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I normally start pining for a Cashless Villa Park.
Ah, I like him. You can't fault him for effort!
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It’s not confusing though because know who referring to. Especially as it’s on the Marcus Rashford thread.
Could get confusing on a match thread if both Cashy and Rashy are playing.
He's known as Cashy Matt in our house. When he shoots, I shout 'Cash is King!'. I'm great fun....
For a while now I've been referring to the 'D' on the edge of the box as 'the attic'. The main reason for this (other than it being a much better name than 'the D') is so that when we get corners, and our right back is lurking there, ready to strike, I can shout "Cash in the attic, Cash in the attic!". Unfortunately he, without fail, fucks it up every time it gets near him, and it just isn't catching on.
I'm also great fun...
I’d started calling those moments when you counter-attack and move from defensive to attacking play “converters”. I think Matty Cash really could do with realising that was happening as quickly as possible so that we can fully capitalise on them, and have started shouting “Cash - Converters!” at the top of my voice at the telly.
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It’s not confusing though because know who referring to. Especially as it’s on the Marcus Rashford thread.
Could get confusing on a match thread if both Cashy and Rashy are playing.
He's known as Cashy Matt in our house. When he shoots, I shout 'Cash is King!'. I'm great fun....
For a while now I've been referring to the 'D' on the edge of the box as 'the attic'. The main reason for this (other than it being a much better name than 'the D') is so that when we get corners, and our right back is lurking there, ready to strike, I can shout "Cash in the attic, Cash in the attic!". Unfortunately he, without fail, fucks it up every time it gets near him, and it just isn't catching on.
I'm also great fun...
I’d started calling those moments when you counter-attack and move from defensive to attacking play “converters”. I think Matty Cash really could do with realising that was happening as quickly as possible so that we can fully capitalise on them, and have started shouting “Cash - Converters!” at the top of my voice at the telly.
Just don't shout "Cash for Gold!"
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It’s not confusing though because know who referring to. Especially as it’s on the Marcus Rashford thread.
Could get confusing on a match thread if both Cashy and Rashy are playing.
He's known as Cashy Matt in our house. When he shoots, I shout 'Cash is King!'. I'm great fun....
For a while now I've been referring to the 'D' on the edge of the box as 'the attic'. The main reason for this (other than it being a much better name than 'the D') is so that when we get corners, and our right back is lurking there, ready to strike, I can shout "Cash in the attic, Cash in the attic!". Unfortunately he, without fail, fucks it up every time it gets near him, and it just isn't catching on.
I'm also great fun...
I’d started calling those moments when you counter-attack and move from defensive to attacking play “converters”. I think Matty Cash really could do with realising that was happening as quickly as possible so that we can fully capitalise on them, and have started shouting “Cash - Converters!” at the top of my voice at the telly.
If Matty Cash could realise what was happening a bit quicker, I think he'd be a decent player!
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Maybe it’s time to cash out
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We played three different guys at RB in Cashy's absence last weekend. You don't know what you got until it's gone...
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Maybe it’s time to cash out
Ironically he's probably having his best Prem season for us .
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Getting slagged off in the press by Amorim. Apparently they don’t see football in the same way, which is probably why Marcus has gone off to join a well organised football club, with a world class Coach whilst Amorim manages that circus full of clowns. At some point, I expect the FA to step in to protect ‘our’ player. I know Amorim is answering a journalist question but it’s unprofessional to talk about players who play for other clubs.
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Getting slagged off in the press by Amorim. Apparently they don’t see football in the same way, which is probably why Marcus has gone off to join a well organised football club, with a world class Coach whilst Amorim manages that circus full of clowns. At some point, I expect the FA to step in to protect ‘our’ player. I know Amorim is answering a journalist question but it’s unprofessional to talk about players who play for other clubs.
He's Man Utd manager, therefore a dickhead.
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There was me thinking Man U would get their shit together under Amorim, whereas it’s yet another chapter in the glorious mess, long may it founder & spiral….,
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Amorin is working for ManU and is doing the boards dirty work. He seems a decent enough person but Utd want him to take all the flak. If Utd’s results pick up and Rashford is a flop for us then they’re vindicated. If they don’t and we go from strength to strength with Rashford being pivotal. Well, it could be fun.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjC8EDWXIAA8V1g?format=jpg&name=large)
Rashford looks gutted to be with us. Awful attitude
I've mentioned it before on here, but as nice as some of the Adidas training gear is, it just doesn't look like Aston Villa kit. The red stuff earlier in the season was the strangest.
Do you just have to accept generic colours, as I think some of that gear in claret and blue would look great. Unai Emery was rocking a really nice claret hoodie before the West Ham game in the cup.
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I bet loads of clubs have training gear that isn't in the club colours, I'm not sure why it matters. If I want something claret and blue then I'd just buy the kit. I prefer the greater choice.
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I bet loads of clubs have training gear that isn't in the club colours, I'm not sure why it matters. If I want something claret and blue then I'd just buy the kit. I prefer the greater choice.
It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. It's just that a lot of the training stuff over the years has been claret and blue and hasn't looked like something the Australian cricket team would wear.
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I bet loads of clubs have training gear that isn't in the club colours, I'm not sure why it matters. If I want something claret and blue then I'd just buy the kit. I prefer the greater choice.
It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. It's just that a lot of the training stuff over the years has been claret and blue and hasn't looked like something the Australian cricket team would wear.
Well next year it may be black and look like the New Zealand cricket team. I quite like having different coloured Villa gear.
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The fact we signed the Adidas deal late may have something to do with it. Also the fact we're not one of their "A" clubs, or whatever they call it. We don't get special stuff.
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The fact we signed the Adidas deal late may have something to do with it. Also the fact we're not one of their "A" clubs, or whatever they call it. We don't get special stuff.
We do next year.
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Type Arsenal Training Top into google to see some of the stuff that is produced for the "A" clubs.
However their training pictures just show them in a generic blue or green over the last two years
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Amorim "I couldn't get Marcus to see the way you're supposed to play football and to train the way I see it," Amorim said.
Amorim has lost 5 of 7 home league games with football how he sees it.
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Yeah, sounds like the players that do agree with him can't, or won't, do it. Hilarious.
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He’d do better to shut up about it now wouldn’t he. I’ve stopped reading articles about Rashford being at Villa, they’re all so patronising about the club and negative about the player. I understand why etc, but it’s disrespectful to both.
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He’d do better to shut up about it now wouldn’t he. I’ve stopped reading articles about Rashford being at Villa, they’re all so patronising about the club and negative about the player. I understand why etc, but it’s disrespectful to both.
you just know if Rashford does really well for us, then all the articles will be about United and not actually about how/why he's doing well at Villa.
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I feel like I'd be rooting for Rashford to do well now regardless of which club he had gone to on loan. It just feels a bit unnecessary and almost mean at this stage. Added bonus that he'll do it for us, but I'd be hoping Big Ange could get the best out of him if he'd gone to Spurs.
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Oh FFS, this does my head in. When a player wants to have a nickname, or they accept one, I understand it , but they haven't asked for it. We're also not 6 year olds in the playground. We're not their friend, let's respect them enough to use their name properly.
Footy-Villy doesn't understand this.
Let’s get this clear and thank you for understanding.
I will explain somethings. And we move on. There is no issue other than some necessary need to criticise.
Okey doke the use of the nickname Rashy is not problematic. It’s not an issue why is this going on ?
No nicksname is as long as it is comprehended and not offensive.
People may have different tastes, thus I advise individuals who are agitated about not getting their way by hearing me say Rashy to be less domineering of me or any other people who are using any nicknames for our players.
Come on now let’s be respectful but also understanding of other people's ways and opinions regarding how they refer to players.
I used to yell for Douglas Luiz, "Go on, Dougie."
Whatever name I or anyone else decides to use for Marcus is up to them.
Now that’s cleared up.
I believe that Sunday's game is perfectly positioned for him, Rashy, to display his skills and have a fantastic opening game!
It’s being shown on BBC and they’ll be a lot of viewers on a Sunday evening with a lot of attention focused on him.
I already had said on pre match that have a feeling Rashy for a Hatty! There’s a headline !
Go on Marcus!
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Oh FFS, this does my head in. When a player wants to have a nickname, or they accept one, I understand it , but they haven't asked for it. We're also not 6 year olds in the playground. We're not their friend, let's respect them enough to use their name properly.
Footy-Villy doesn't understand this.
Let’s get this clear and thank you for understanding.
I will explain somethings. And we move on. There is no issue other than some necessary need to criticise.
Okey doke the use of the nickname Rashy is not problematic. It’s not an issue why is this going on ?
No nicksname is as long as it is comprehended and not offensive.
People may have different tastes, thus I advise individuals who are agitated about not getting their way by hearing me say Rashy to be less domineering of me or any other people who are using any nicknames for our players.
Come on now let’s be respectful but also understanding of other people's ways and opinions regarding how they refer to players.
I used to yell for Douglas Luiz, "Go on, Dougie."
Whatever name I or anyone else decides to use for Marcus is up to them.
Now that’s cleared up.
I believe that Sunday's game is perfectly positioned for him, Rashy, to display his skills and have a fantastic opening game!
It’s being shown on BBC and they’ll be a lot of viewers on a Sunday evening with a lot of attention focused on him.
I already had said on pre match that have a feeling Rashy for a Hatty! There’s a headline !
Go on Marcus!
FFS Botty
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Rashy has to be the worst idea for a nickname surely? Why dont we just call him herpes
herpes for the hatrick
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I feel like I'd be rooting for Rashford to do well now regardless of which club he had gone to on loan. It just feels a bit unnecessary and almost mean at this stage. Added bonus that he'll do it for us, but I'd be hoping Big Ange could get the best out of him if he'd gone to Spurs.
Pretty much this. The level of punditry, "analysis" and "expert" opinion is so woeful, loaded and biased. Surely, almost anyone remotely involved in football would like to see a talented player doing as well as he can. A ManU fan said to me yesterday "If he does well at Villa it will be proof that he has been scamming ManU and its fans for years".
I asked him if he knew what a sense of perspective was.
The open mouthed gape was all the answer I needed.
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Amorim is coming across as a massive twat, here. A simple "I wish him all the best at Villa but I'd rather just talk about players who are here" would be fine, wouldn't it?
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Amorim is coming across as a massive twat, here. A simple "I wish him all the best at Villa but I'd rather just talk about players who are here" would be fine, wouldn't it?
Its always bad form to talk in anyway negatively about players, Top Managers don't do it.
For him to say what he said after Rashford has left shows a total lack of class.
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You’re all going to get our boy Rudy fired up. Amorim is a saint in his eyes. Amorim went all Stevie G on sterioids with his “we’re the shittest Man U team ever” comment let alone what he’s saying about Rashford. He’s not going to last in that job if after a couple of months he’s showing signs of cracking.
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I think the bit that bothers me most about how the press are reporting things around Rashford is how accepting they are of everything Amorim says. He's made them worse than they were under Ten Haag and yet, instead of questioning why he's forcing a formation/tactic that doesn't work with his squad they just accept that Rashford (1 goal in 3 over 8 seasons at the club) suddenly doesn't know how to play football.
I'm not saying that Rashford is perfect and did nothing wrong but Amorim has acted like a proper wanker over it, almost as if he's trying to deflect attention away from his own shortcomings.
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I think the bit that bothers me most about how the press are reporting things around Rashford is how accepting they are of everything Amorim says. He's made them worse than they were under Ten Haag and yet, instead of questioning why he's forcing a formation/tactic that doesn't work with his squad they just accept that Rashford (1 goal in 3 over 8 seasons at the club) suddenly doesn't know how to play football.
I'm not saying that Rashford is perfect and did nothing wrong but Amorim has acted like a proper wanker over it, almost as if he's trying to deflect attention away from his own shortcomings.
It shows him up for what he is, an inexperienced manager, and a few sunshine years with a clever system in a less pressurised environment is no preperation for dropping himself into that decaying shitshow.
I was amazed he took that job alone, even more that he took it when he did, the idiot.
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I think the bit that bothers me most about how the press are reporting things around Rashford is how accepting they are of everything Amorim says. He's made them worse than they were under Ten Haag and yet, instead of questioning why he's forcing a formation/tactic that doesn't work with his squad they just accept that Rashford (1 goal in 3 over 8 seasons at the club) suddenly doesn't know how to play football.
I'm not saying that Rashford is perfect and did nothing wrong but Amorim has acted like a proper wanker over it, almost as if he's trying to deflect attention away from his own shortcomings.
It shows him up for what he is, an inexperienced manager, and a few sunshine years with a clever system in a less pressurised environment is no preperation for dropping himself into that decaying shitshow.
I was amazed he took that job alone, even more that he took it when he did, the idiot.
Yep, agreed, it wasn't a job for someone inexperienced who's looking to build their career but then I also have no idea who would've been a better fit because they're sucha shitshow that no one was going to have an easy time there.
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I think the bit that bothers me most about how the press are reporting things around Rashford is how accepting they are of everything Amorim says. He's made them worse than they were under Ten Haag and yet, instead of questioning why he's forcing a formation/tactic that doesn't work with his squad they just accept that Rashford (1 goal in 3 over 8 seasons at the club) suddenly doesn't know how to play football.
I'm not saying that Rashford is perfect and did nothing wrong but Amorim has acted like a proper wanker over it, almost as if he's trying to deflect attention away from his own shortcomings.
It shows him up for what he is, an inexperienced manager, and a few sunshine years with a clever system in a less pressurised environment is no preperation for dropping himself into that decaying shitshow.
I was amazed he took that job alone, even more that he took it when he did, the idiot.
Yep, agreed, it wasn't a job for someone inexperienced who's looking to build their career but then I also have no idea who would've been a better fit because they're sucha shitshow that no one was going to have an easy time there.
The one chance they had was to listen to Ralf Rangnick and do the required cull there and then, but they ignored him and carried on.
Brilliant stuff.
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Amorim is doing all the talking and looking an absolute twat by not avoiding the subject or just being magnanimous about the subject. I love that Rashford hasn’t said a thing. We are all hoping he makes Man U and Amorim look even bigger twats by performing on the training ground and on the pitch.
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Since Rashford last played their league record is W3 D1 L5 F9 A16.
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Their home form is like what we used to have under Lambert, and in the middle of that they jacked up the prices.
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For some reason Marcus Rashford gets undue criticism more than most . I don’t like that.
The man stands for a lot of good things and think there has been some campaign to discredit him.
This Man Utd manager is doing a power play and scapegoating.
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For some reason Marcus Rashford gets undue criticism more than most . I don’t like that.
The man stands for a lot of good things and think there has been some campaign to discredit him.
This Man Utd manager is doing a power play and scapegoating.
Totally agree.
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For some reason Marcus Rashford gets undue criticism more than most . I don’t like that.
The man stands for a lot of good things and think there has been some campaign to discredit him.
This Man Utd manager is doing a power play and scapegoating.
Nail on the head
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Of course, I don't even particularly blame him, I think it's pretty clear that ineos want to cut the wage bill and improve their PSR position so they've put pressure on him to pusha few players out of the door. Being a dick to players to convince them to accept a wage cut to leave is needed given the mess they're in. What I find wrong is that their fans and the press don't seem to want to accept that's what's behind this so they believe that the problem is all with the players and just getting rid of a few will somehow fix them. It's the same lies they've been telling themselves for 10years at this point.
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For some reason Marcus Rashford gets undue criticism more than most . I don’t like that.
The man stands for a lot of good things and think there has been some campaign to discredit him.
This Man Utd manager is doing a power play and scapegoating.
The ‘some reason’ is a mixture of racism and embarrassing the Tory government by feeding some poor kids.
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I’d paid zero attention to Amorim until we signed Rashford so I wanted to see what all the fuss was about and he seems a bit of a bell. But he’s cannon fodder for the owners.
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Emery on Marcus Rashford: "Today he trained fantastic, tomorrow again, Sunday match. We are going to enjoy each step forward. Then, in the future, is only building in the present. If we try to get the future before the present it is impossible and we are going to crash."
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It would be very weak of Amorim to have digs at Rashford because the owners want him to. It would also be very stupid as a club/manager to want to move a highly paid player on and then both devalue him and put potential buyers off with said digs.
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You can tell Unai massively rates Rashford.
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It would be very weak of Amorim to have digs at Rashford because the owners want him to. It would also be very stupid as a club/manager to want to move a highly paid player on and then both devalue him and put potential buyers off with said digs.
It's what it also says to future signings as well, if things don't go to plan they hang you out to dry.
Keep on keeping on lad.
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For some reason Marcus Rashford gets undue criticism more than most . I don’t like that.
The man stands for a lot of good things and think there has been some campaign to discredit him.
This Man Utd manager is doing a power play and scapegoating.
The ‘some reason’ is a mixture of racism and embarrassing the Tory government by feeding some poor kids.
I am not sure about racism, but i could not definately say he has not been exposed to it, as up to the point of him joining us i do not take much notice of what a lot of players get up to - especially THEM .. I thought the biggest criticism toward him for the feeding kids campaign came a lot from United fans wanting him to focus as much on his game as the charitable actions but again i could be wrong.
We can argue that that is poor from them but i'm sure we have our own fans that would have thought /. said similair things if we had a superstar player of our own.
Its a shame but people do get obsessed with club football being the centre of their universe
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The criticism of him came from the then government and egged on by the likes of the Heil and the Torygraph. I remember the former pointing out the house he lived in and maybe what he had spent on his mother as some type of dig into HE should be funding school dinners instead of the government.
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You’re all going to get our boy Rudy fired up. Amorim is a saint in his eyes. Amorim went all Stevie G on sterioids with his “we’re the shittest Man U team ever” comment let alone what he’s saying about Rashford. He’s not going to last in that job if after a couple of months he’s showing signs of cracking.
Not even close. He pretty much did exactly the same when he entered Sporting. Context is everything. After two months of too many interviews and press conferences where almost every question was about Rashford. Maybe he thought finally he won't have to answer any more questions about Rashford.
The most encouraging words are those from Unai. Obviously it's still the honeymoon period but to hear him say how well Rashford has been training is music to the ears. The lad's back with a point to prove and it can only be good news for us. Obviously things can change but with his head in a good place we really could see something special in the coming months. This is a player that by himself would each year take a 8-10 day fitness programme so he returned to preseason in top, top condition.
He's been poor for the last 18 months but I feel if he sorts out his head, just focuses on what he's paid to do, avoids the circus that surrounds him, he'll be more than fine. Those images of him walking into Bodymoor Heath to be greeted by a great big smile from Ollie Watkins, a tight, hard working squad and a coach who wants to get the best from you, it will hopefully see him return to his happy place.
Amorim didn't break him, he was already broken and leaving Old Trafford is probably something he wanted 12-18 months ago. One step at a time but today all the signs are good. Next step is doing it on matchday. When we see him sprinting back instead of casually jogging to help out the team we'll know he's fully onboard. Unai managed to get Duran doing it, I don't see why he'd fail with Rashford.
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We all hope Amorim stays just as he has been at Man U.
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I like Amorim, he's made ManU worse than even ETH did. Gotta respect that.
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The criticism of him came from the then government and egged on by the likes of the Heil and the Torygraph. I remember the former pointing out the house he lived in and maybe what he had spent on his mother as some type of dig into HE should be funding school dinners instead of the government.
It’s exactly this.
Plus, with the heil particularly, they didn’t want ‘someone getting uppity* ‘ and showing up Johnson and his scummy cronies.
*We know what that means.
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The most encouraging words are those from Unai. Obviously it's still the honeymoon period but to hear him say how well Rashford has been training is music to the ears.
Agreed, it's encouraging stuff. If he starts against Spurs, it'll be a sign that Unai thinks he's in a good place (at least physically).
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Who is listening to ITV now and Roy Keane on Rashford going to Villa?
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Who is listening to ITV now and Roy Keane on Rashford going to Villa?
Me and I nearly kicked the tv, what a twat, and not helped by the clearly biased wanchor man
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Who is listening to ITV now and Roy Keane on Rashford going to Villa?
They seem to be really confused about where Man United currently are in the pecking order and have been for a while now. No, not every club in England is now a step down. I wonder how long it will take for that view to change?
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For some reason Marcus Rashford gets undue criticism more than most . I don’t like that.
The man stands for a lot of good things and think there has been some campaign to discredit him.
This Man Utd manager is doing a power play and scapegoating.
The ‘some reason’ is a mixture of racism and embarrassing the Tory government by feeding some poor kids.
I am not sure about racism, but i could not definately say he has not been exposed to it, as up to the point of him joining us i do not take much notice of what a lot of players get up to - especially THEM .. I thought the biggest criticism toward him for the feeding kids campaign came a lot from United fans wanting him to focus as much on his game as the charitable actions but again i could be wrong.
We can argue that that is poor from them but i'm sure we have our own fans that would have thought /. said similair things if we had a superstar player of our own.
Its a shame but people do get obsessed with club football being the centre of their universe
I am not a fan of this signing, it will end in tears, but Rashford deserves immense credit for his off-pitch work with charity.
And I also agree, there is a definite bit of dog whistle racism about the media coverage of him. See also: Raheem Sterling.
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At least Ian Wright seems to have a dose of reality
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At least Ian Wright seems to have a dose of reality
He tends to be decent.
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Who is listening to ITV now and Roy Keane on Rashford going to Villa?
Me and I nearly kicked the tv, what a twat, and not helped by the clearly biased wanchor man
Me too and good work by Ian Wright to give some balance to the other two twats
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Why get angry, though? Just amuse yourself at their delusion.
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Why get angry, though? Just amuse yourself at their delusion.
The smile on my face will last a very long time if he gets back to his best with us. Mark my words there will be a week of mourning if that happens.
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Why get angry, though? Just amuse yourself at their delusion.
Indeed. Since I found out the Glazers' are taking out £200m every summer to pay off 'their' debt I can't help laughing. If it was pretty much any other club I'd feel really sorry for their fans. Those plastic tossers are probably too young to remember when Man U were the first club to be listed on the stock exchange and suddenly could buy every top player they wanted. Capitalism, eh? Don't you just love it!
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Indeed. Since I found out the Glazers' are taking out £200m every summer to pay off 'their' debt I can't help laughing. If it was pretty much any other club I'd feel really sorry for their fans.
Spurs, Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton, West Ham, West Brom, SHA, Wolves, WBA.....
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🚨 Marcus Rashford volunteered to train on Monday while the rest of the squad were on a day off. It is understood he also intends to relocate to the Midlands for the duration of the loan.
@mjmarr_star
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From requesting to train on his first two days off to recording the fourth-lowest body fat percentage score in the Aston Villa squad, Marcus Rashford has made a positive impression in his first week at Bodymoor Heath.
https://x.com/johntownley11/status/1887992235633033564?s=46
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Who is listening to ITV now and Roy Keane on Rashford going to Villa?
Me and I nearly kicked the tv, what a twat, and not helped by the clearly biased wanchor man
I can imagine. Pundits still talk about the ‘top 6’ too, like that’s a thing anymore. It’ll obviously take eons for them to move on mentally.
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Indeed. Since I found out the Glazers' are taking out £200m every summer to pay off 'their' debt I can't help laughing. If it was pretty much any other club I'd feel really sorry for their fans.
Spurs, Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton, West Ham, West Brom, SHA, Wolves, WBA.....
I don't feel sorry for any other bigger clubs fans, or Wrexham, starting to despise them too.
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For some reason Marcus Rashford gets undue criticism more than most . I don’t like that.
The man stands for a lot of good things and think there has been some campaign to discredit him.
This Man Utd manager is doing a power play and scapegoating.
The ‘some reason’ is a mixture of racism and embarrassing the Tory government by feeding some poor kids.
I am not sure about racism, but i could not definately say he has not been exposed to it, as up to the point of him joining us i do not take much notice of what a lot of players get up to - especially THEM .. I thought the biggest criticism toward him for the feeding kids campaign came a lot from United fans wanting him to focus as much on his game as the charitable actions but again i could be wrong.
We can argue that that is poor from them but i'm sure we have our own fans that would have thought /. said similair things if we had a superstar player of our own.
Its a shame but people do get obsessed with club football being the centre of their universe
I’m talking about the criticism he gets from right-wing, racist organs like the Daily Heil.
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He’s definitely singled out by the Daily Mail. From the day he signed for us, the Mail Online posted some strange stuff not just once but several times in the same day. It was weird. They really are the worst of the lot for storing up hate, even more so than the Sun which is quite an achievement.
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He’s apparently going to relocate to be closer to Bodymoor for the duration of the loan spell. So he won’t be driving 90 minutes as previously discussed
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All sound very positive so far, fair play to him.
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Who is listening to ITV now and Roy Keane on Rashford going to Villa?
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Regards re locating then it's going to be the Belfry perhaps?
He’s apparently going to relocate to be closer to Bodymoor for the duration of the loan spell. So he won’t be driving 90 minutes as previously discussed
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I have found the majority of coverage about this offensive and distasteful. It’s all been tinged with arrogance and racism.
Hope he smash’s it
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Who is listening to ITV now and Roy Keane on Rashford going to Villa?
Mark Pougash is a Utd fan can't stand the smarmy prick, Keane disrespectful
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He’s apparently going to relocate to be closer to Bodymoor for the duration of the loan spell. So he won’t be driving 90 minutes as previously discussed
Or bedwetted about
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Came across two BBC articles yesterday on their website
One of Grealish and one of Rashford
The Treble to the periphery - what's going on with Jack Grealish?
Certainly not a negative headline , neutral at least or inquisitive.
Of Marcus Rashford
Headline used:
"Challenge with Rashford at Villa is huge - Emery"
Taken from the quote
"My challenge with him is a huge challenge. His challenge with us is exciting"
BBC used half the quote with no focus or use of word "exciting"
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Is this the same Roy Keane who pissed off from the Ireland training camp because he said Mick McCarthy was not professional enough?
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You'd think Keane would have a bit more respect for us seeing as we once paid his wages.
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Who is listening to ITV now and Roy Keane on Rashford going to Villa?
Me and I nearly kicked the tv, what a twat, and not helped by the clearly biased wanchor man
I can imagine. Pundits still talk about the ‘top 6’ too, like that’s a thing anymore. It’ll obviously take eons for them to move on mentally.
There will always be a 'top 6' it's the term 'Big 6' that grinds the gears especially so when 2 of their beloved 'Big 6' aren't even in the 'Top 10'.
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The big 6 are the 6 clubs that drive the clicks and revenue for broadcasters
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Strange how Rashford, Sterling and Mings cop more than most players from some quarters.
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Strange how Rashford, Sterling and Mings cop more than most players from some quarters.
They should know their place.
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You'd think Keane would have a bit more respect for us seeing as we once paid his wages he once shamelessly accepted payments for nothing in return.
FIFY
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From requesting to train on his first two days off to recording the fourth-lowest body fat percentage score in the Aston Villa squad, Marcus Rashford has made a positive impression in his first week at Bodymoor Heath.
https://x.com/johntownley11/status/1887992235633033564?s=46
'You'll never sing that'
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If we were Spurs fans you just know thier thoughts would be
"I bet he scores on his debut" I really hope he does.
I will just imagine he never played for them
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From requesting to train on his first two days off to recording the fourth-lowest body fat percentage score in the Aston Villa squad, Marcus Rashford has made a positive impression in his first week at Bodymoor Heath.
https://x.com/johntownley11/status/1887992235633033564?s=46
And that body fat is all in his face judging by the signing photo.
I think he's going to do brilliantly for us, absolutely smashing it.
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Strange how Rashford, Sterling and Mings cop more than most players from some quarters.
They should know their place.
As should we.
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Strange how Rashford, Sterling and Mings cop more than most players from some quarters.
Yes, it’s mystifying.
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Jessie Linghard had a loan spell at West Ham and did awfully well after his form dropped off at Man Utd. Hoping can get the same sort of performances , influence on the team and goals from Rashford.
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Jessie Linghard had a loan spell at West Ham and did awfully well after his form dropped off at Man Utd. Hoping can get the same sort of performances , influence on the team and goals from Rashford.
He played well for a while, probably looking for a new contract, and then disappeared into oblivion
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If he scores:
Too shit for United,
but you'll do for the Villa
do for the Villa,
yes, you'll do for the Villa
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If he scores:
Too shit for United,
but you'll do for the Villa
do for the Villa,
yes, you'll do for the Villa
It’s a no from me Doc.
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No chance. It is obviously going to be...
Out on the wily, windy moors
We'd roll and fall in green
You had a temper like my jealousy
Too hot, too greedy
How could you leave me
When I needed to possess you?
I hated you, I loved you, too
Bad dreams in the night
They told me I was going to lose the fight
Leave behind my Wuthering, Wuthering
Wuthering Heights
Heathcliff, it's me, I'm Rashy
I've come home, I'm so cold
Let me in your window
Heathcliff, it's me, I'm Rashy
I've come home, I'm so cold
Let me in your window
Ooh, it gets dark, it gets lonely
On the other side from you
I pine a lot, I find the lot
Falls through without you
I'm coming back love, cruel Heathcliff
My one dream, my only master
Too long I roam in the night
I'm coming back to his side to put it right
I'm coming home to wuthering, wuthering
Wuthering Heights
Heathcliff, it's me, I'm Rashy
I've come home, I'm so cold
Let me in your window
Heathcliff, it's me, I'm Rashy
I've come home, I'm so cold
Let me in your window
Ooh, let me have it
Let me grab your soul away
Ooh, let me have it
Let me grab your soul away
You know it's me, Rashy
Heathcliff, it's me, I'm Rashy
I've come home, I'm so cold
Let me in your window
Heathcliff, it's me, I'm Rashy
I've come home, I'm so cold
Let me in your window
Heathcliff, it's me, I'm Rashy
I've come home, I'm so cold
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This is brilliant!
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I was working on Pharrels Happy with Rashy.
Clap along if you feel ….
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We really should just take up the "he left cuz you're shit" chant.
Potential for the opposition fans to join in too.
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Rashford record v Spurs
Rashy last 4 Prem games v Spurs 2 goals 1 assist
Overall:
6 goals in 16 Prem games
6 in 17 (one FA Cup match)
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We really should just take up the "he left cuz you're shit" chant.
Potential for the opposition fans to join in too.
Not sure. I'm generally in favour of chants where a player can stand and applaud the crowd when it's being sang at him pre-game, which doesn't work if it includes slagging off his other employers.
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The chant should be the one we serenaded Alex Ferguson to, when Man U were battered 3-0 at Villa Park. To the Cadbury’s Roses commercial tune of “ Thank you very for Paul McGrath, thank you very much, thank you very, very much…” Marcus Rashford fits in very nicely into that.
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But it only makes sense if we are playing Man U. He can't play against them.
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Nah I want to remind Man U and Amorim at every possible moment that they are buffoons
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The chant should be the one we serenaded Alex Ferguson to, when Man U were battered 3-0 at Villa Park. To the Cadbury’s Roses commercial tune of “ Thank you very for Paul McGrath, thank you very much, thank you very, very much…” Marcus Rashford fits in very nicely into that.
Would have been inspired by the ad I imagine but the original tune is 'Thank You Very Much' by The Scaffold (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzueFTN-lDg)
Pop quiz: Who is the brother of the lead singer of The Scaffold?
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The chant should be the one we serenaded Alex Ferguson to, when Man U were battered 3-0 at Villa Park. To the Cadbury’s Roses commercial tune of “ Thank you very for Paul McGrath, thank you very much, thank you very, very much…” Marcus Rashford fits in very nicely into that.
Would have been inspired by the ad I imagine but the original tune is 'Thank You Very Much' by The Scaffold (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzueFTN-lDg)
Pop quiz: Who is the brother of the lead singer of The Scaffold?
Paul McCartney
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The chant should be the one we serenaded Alex Ferguson to, when Man U were battered 3-0 at Villa Park. To the Cadbury’s Roses commercial tune of “ Thank you very for Paul McGrath, thank you very much, thank you very, very much…” Marcus Rashford fits in very nicely into that.
Would have been inspired by the ad I imagine but the original tune is 'Thank You Very Much' by The Scaffold (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzueFTN-lDg)
Pop quiz: Who is the brother of the lead singer of The Scaffold?
Paul McCartney
Correct. We don't want to hear 'The Long And Winding Road', Paul mate. We want weeeee'll drink a drink a drink to Lily the pinkah pinkah pink...
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Who is listening to ITV now and Roy Keane on Rashford going to Villa?
Keane is a dismal-faced bellend and Pougash is a brown nosing shithouse. Ian Wright isn't afraid to give an honest opinion and pretty much told keane to stop talking bollocks here. Good on him.
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Welcome to Aston Villa Marcus. You are going to love being with us. A very encouraging first few minutes
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Impressive stuff from Rashy, gave his all when he was out there. No question of his commitment whatsoever.
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Very lively. No doubts about attitude or fitness in that.
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No idea if he could do the full 90 yet but having the option to bring him off the bench for the next few games is really exciting.
I'm being very positive and thinking that the atmosphere around our club at the moment will work wonders for Rashford. I'm sure the likes of Forest are in a great mood too, but over the last few years it's like we're on the opposite trajectory to Man Utd, and all the positives that come with that are bound to be a relief to someone coming from there.
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Does anyone know id we draw utd next round can rashford play against them?
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Does anyone know id we draw utd next round can rashford play against them?
He can’t
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Was trying a bit too hard at times but very encouraging, think he’s going to be great for us.
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If that was the " disinterested, fallen out of love with the game" Rashford, then he might be half decent when Unai’s had a few weeks to sort him out and he rediscovers his appetite for, and joy of the game.
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Not writing Ipswich off because we know what happened last game, but it's a decent set of fixtures to get the new guys up and running. A goal or assist would work wonders, I think.
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You can see once he relaxes back into his game my goodness there is some serious skill there, bring it on Marcus.
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Does anyone know id we draw utd next round can rashford play against them?
He can’t
Bollocks. So you know that means we will draw utd next round
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I'll have them wankers at home in the next round no problem. Then Man City in the Quarters, Newcastle in the Semis and beat Plymouth in the final 5-0.
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Won a lot of headers too..
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That run near the end when he ended up fouling Gray in the area showed that he’s not quite ready to play however he will getter fitter and sharper in the next few weeks.
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Although the run at the even ender to support Asensio for the Rogers chance shows he might not be that far away. Although both him and Marco weren't really needing to conserve energy with lack of season game time and another week before we play.
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Very promising debut. I liked that the very first thing he did was flatten their centre half in an aerial challenge and then not long after that was in a bit of a tangle with their full-back. Thought that showed he meant business.
There were some sublime touches that showed his class and he got a great reception from the fans.
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Did he come over to the Holte at the end? I saw him by the dug outs but not sure if he did.
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Did he come over to the Holte at the end? I saw him by the dug outs but not sure if he did.
The players were heading back to the centre circle when he came out from the dugouts so he just joined them.
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Looked a little crowded on the left at times with Ramsey out there as well. Encouraging start.
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He was over on the right at one point, and in the middle of the pitch for that fabulous move that JJ should have squared. I wonder what his instructions were?
I'd still rather we had Ollie than didn't, but it didn't feel like we missed him much today, whereas when we played with Duran instead, it certainly felt like we were missing something at times.
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He was over on the right at one point, and in the middle of the pitch for that fabulous move that JJ should have squared. I wonder what his instructions were?
I'd still rather we had Ollie than didn't, but it didn't feel like we missed him much today, whereas when we played with Duran instead, it certainly felt like we were missing something at times.
I thought Malen bought sharpness and acceleration that we've lacked before but we missed the physicality for an out ball, when we went long it came straight back.
Rashford was then surprisingly physical and gave us what we missed in that sense. I see big potential as a super deluxe Ian Ormondroyd on this evidence, coming off the left onto high balls.
Good stuff.
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He was over on the right at one point, and in the middle of the pitch for that fabulous move that JJ should have squared. I wonder what his instructions were?
I'd still rather we had Ollie than didn't, but it didn't feel like we missed him much today, whereas when we played with Duran instead, it certainly felt like we were missing something at times.
It was interesting to see the shape when they came on. I thought Asensio would go on the right, but he was in a more central role and Rogers seemed to go to the right. Rashford started centrally, but drifted out to the left more.
At times, it was almost like a front three, with Rogers and Rashford out wide and Asensio playing as a 'false 9'.
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I did rather enjoy that attack down the left where he nutmegged Pedro Porro only for Porro to chase back and clobber him inside or right on the line of the box. Obviously Anthony Taylor saw nothing.
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I did rather enjoy that attack down the left where he nutmegged Pedro Porro only for Porro to chase back and clobber him inside or right on the line of the box. Obviously Anthony Taylor saw nothing.
It was outside the box, unfortunately, as I was screaming that's called back for a pen if VAR is in play! A brilliant bit of play though.
I thought it was a really promising debut. Lots of effort, even winning a corner with his pressing, and showing great link up play with other attackers which was a surprise given it was the first time they'd played together. It didn't look it. Shame he couldn't get his shot away when he was running at Gray near the end.
I also think he'll have enjoyed it. Being part of a team that passes the ball so well, has good attacking intent, and some creative and mobile players around him.
I think he's going to be brilliant for us.
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Man Utd fans complaining that he couldn't initiate the press for them like he was for us last night.
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Man Utd fans complaining that he couldn't initiate the press for them like he was for us last night.
Well there has to be something.
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He's a big lad isn't he? Looks great in our kit too. Anyone would look great in our kit mind.
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Man Utd fans complaining that he couldn't initiate the press for them like he was for us last night.
Aww diddums to the little cry babies. Maybe they’ll start realising maybe just maybe the problem isn’t Rashford.
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My thoughts were that he's finally got decent coaches now.
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Man Utd fans complaining that he couldn't initiate the press for them like he was for us last night.
A lot of them saying he'll do it for a week or so and then revert to making no effort.
He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Does well for us they'll say they were right and he just wasn't making any effort cuz he's lazy. Does badly for us and they'll say they were right, he's just useless.
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He's a big lad isn't he? Looks great in our kit too. Anyone would look great in our kit mind.
Oooh i dunno - i still look like shit in one - not sure the beer gut and varicose veins help but there you go.
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Man Utd fans complaining that he couldn't initiate the press for them like he was for us last night.
Aww diddums to the little cry babies. Maybe they’ll start realising maybe just maybe the problem isn’t Rashford.
There is no version of events in which their club will be at fault for his form in the last 18 months. Like most fans, they demand that the absolute minimum from their players is "effort", but we have no idea what instructions he's been playing to. Was it his job to initiate the press in the Man Utd system? Who knows.
I really don't think it's a coincidence that the high-profile players who've left United recently have done better when they've got away from there. McTominay, Antony, Sancho (though his bright start at Chelsea has definitely faded), and now Rashford.
Something's rotten in the state of Denmark.
It feels a bit like us when we were losing the likes of Milner, Downing, Young (first time round). Not that they were bad players for us at all (quite the opposite), but they felt they had to leave to further their careers, and you could argue all of them did just that (they all won at least one trophy at the club they left us for), because the club wasn't able to match their ambitions at the time.
Likewise, Man Utd simply isn't the force it once was, and now it's ambitions are limited to challenging for European places, rather than the title - and while it remains the case that they can't do the latter, the blame will often fall to the players, especially those who have performed to a really high level in the past. No regard is given to the players they currently have around them, or how they're being managed.
You never know, we might get a bright month, and then nothing but lacklustre performances from Rashford (though I very much doubt that will be the case), but I would bet my house on the fact that our club is light years ahead of Man Utd right now in terms of team spirit, togetherness and overall professionalism and coaching.
But I wouldn't expect a Man U fan to recognise that.
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Did well, couple of superb lay offs and was always looking to be involved. It would be a tragedy for him and England if he couldnt re-establish himself as the player we all know he can be.
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Great to see Marky Marcus in the Villa kit. He's gonna fit in well.
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Man Utd fans complaining that he couldn't initiate the press for them like he was for us last night.
Well there has to be something.
They’re scared he will once again become the player they remember fondly.
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Rashy showed some excellent touches didn’t he just ?
But also a bit rusty and over eager .
Neither were a deliberate foul on Danso and Gray and he showed just either eagerness or at worst rash! Funnily enough!
Interesting positions he took up on the pitch. Will be interesting to see what happens with Watkins soon to be back in the mix as well.
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Rashy?
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He did well, but it was pretty inevitable for me that he was gonna start off really good
Time will be the real Test
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well i liked he ran a bit , it is a start !💪😃
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Rashy?
It’s they’re latest trolling technique.
They have been told to put a sock in it but,it gets a reaction so they keep doing it.
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Rashy?
It’s they’re latest trolling technique.
They have been told to put a sock in it but,it gets a reaction so they keep doing it.
Hi Villian for Life . Yes Rashy for Rashford.
I explained previously as was trying to be restricted by others unfairly.
I don’t know why Chicago is being unnecessarily mean but the truth is written below not the narrative this Chicago lion character is trying to spin!
Shame on you!
Oh FFS, this does my head in. When a player wants to have a nickname, or they accept one, I understand it , but they haven't asked for it. We're also not 6 year olds in the playground. We're not their friend, let's respect them enough to use their name properly.
Footy-Villy doesn't understand this.
Let’s get this clear and thank you for understanding.
I will explain somethings. And we move on. There is no issue other than some necessary need to criticise.
Okey doke the use of the nickname Rashy is not problematic. It’s not an issue why is this going on ?
No nicksname is as long as it is comprehended and not offensive.
People may have different tastes, thus I advise individuals who are agitated about not getting their way by hearing me say Rashy to be less domineering of me or any other people who are using any nicknames for our players.
Come on now let’s be respectful but also understanding of other people's ways and opinions regarding how they refer to players.
I used to yell for Douglas Luiz, "Go on, Dougie."
Whatever name I or anyone else decides to use for Marcus is up to them.
Now that’s cleared up.
I believe that Sunday's game is perfectly positioned for him, Rashy, to display his skills and have a fantastic opening game!
It’s being shown on BBC and they’ll be a lot of viewers on a Sunday evening with a lot of attention focused on him.
I already had said on pre match that have a feeling Rashy for a Hatty! There’s a headline !
Go on Marcus!
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Yeah let's change everyone's name for cheap thrills. FFS
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While perusing some Man U boards to see what they made of the Rashford deal, I noticed quite a lot of them refer to him as Rashy. No idea if it was derogatory or not.
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Yeah let's change everyone's name for cheap thrills. FFS
SHUT UP, BUMmond!
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Yeah let's change everyone's name for cheap thrills. FFS
SHUT UP, BUMmond!
That's rich coming from Pauliewaltesticles!
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Yeah let's change everyone's name for cheap thrills. FFS
SHUT UP, BUMmond!
Alright PauliesNUTS! Titter
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Rashy?
It’s they’re latest trolling technique.
They have been told to put a sock in it but,it gets a reaction so they keep doing it.
Hi Villian for Life . Yes Rashy for Rashford.
I explained previously as was trying to be restricted by others unfairly.
I don’t know why Chicago is being unnecessarily mean but the truth is written below not the narrative this Chicago lion character is trying to spin!
Shame on you!
Oh FFS, this does my head in. When a player wants to have a nickname, or they accept one, I understand it , but they haven't asked for it. We're also not 6 year olds in the playground. We're not their friend, let's respect them enough to use their name properly.
Footy-Villy doesn't understand this.
Let’s get this clear and thank you for understanding.
I will explain somethings. And we move on. There is no issue other than some necessary need to criticise.
Okey doke the use of the nickname Rashy is not problematic. It’s not an issue why is this going on ?
No nicksname is as long as it is comprehended and not offensive.
People may have different tastes, thus I advise individuals who are agitated about not getting their way by hearing me say Rashy to be less domineering of me or any other people who are using any nicknames for our players.
Come on now let’s be respectful but also understanding of other people's ways and opinions regarding how they refer to players.
I used to yell for Douglas Luiz, "Go on, Dougie."
Whatever name I or anyone else decides to use for Marcus is up to them.
Now that’s cleared up.
I believe that Sunday's game is perfectly positioned for him, Rashy, to display his skills and have a fantastic opening game!
It’s being shown on BBC and they’ll be a lot of viewers on a Sunday evening with a lot of attention focused on him.
I already had said on pre match that have a feeling Rashy for a Hatty! There’s a headline !
Go on Marcus!
Only legends qualify for nicknames.
Sid
God
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While perusing some Man U boards to see what they made of the Rashford deal, I noticed quite a lot of them refer to him as Rashy. No idea if it was derogatory or not.
Yeah, I know a couple of Red filth fans whose company I endure occasionally, and they refer to him as ‘Rashy’.
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While perusing some Man U boards to see what they made of the Rashford deal, I noticed quite a lot of them refer to him as Rashy. No idea if it was derogatory or not.
Yeah, I know a couple of Red filth fans whose company I endure occasionally, and they refer to him as ‘Rashy’.
No that can't be right, it is a FootyVil original isn't it?
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While perusing some Man U boards to see what they made of the Rashford deal, I noticed quite a lot of them refer to him as Rashy. No idea if it was derogatory or not.
Yeah, I know a couple of Red filth fans whose company I endure occasionally, and they refer to him as ‘Rashy’.
Solskjaeer referred to him as “Rashy” frequently when he was manager.
(e.g.) https://youtu.be/SgrmwpCfI1E?si=8J57JyQwYUJ3vc71. (3.10).
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While perusing some Man U boards to see what they made of the Rashford deal, I noticed quite a lot of them refer to him as Rashy. No idea if it was derogatory or not.
Jesus, in what way could it be interpreted as derogatory ?
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What a surprise, FootyVill correct again.
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While perusing some Man U boards to see what they made of the Rashford deal, I noticed quite a lot of them refer to him as Rashy. No idea if it was derogatory or not.
Jesus, in what way could it be interpreted as derogatory ?
They seem to refer to Jadon Sancho as Jason Sancho quite a lot, and it feels like it's an attempt at an insult. A lot of them don't like Rashford and think he was the cause of all their woes, so I wasn't sure if they were calling him it as a nick name, or in a snide way.
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What a surprise, FootyVill correct again.
Didn’t they claim to have made it up themselves? Or was it one of the tiny number of the things they don’t claim credit for?
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They seem to refer to Jadon Sancho as Jason Sancho quite a lot, and it feels like it's an attempt at an insult. A lot of them don't like Rashford and think he was the cause of all their woes, so I wasn't sure if they were calling him it as a nick name, or in a snide way.
I expect most of that is people who are either persistently bad spellers, or the phone auto-correct. We have both on here, although even funnier when they misspell most of their posts, then occasionally blame the autocorrect.
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Ok something nil no quick jism
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Ok something nil no quick jism
Isn’t that Everton’s motto?
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While perusing some Man U boards to see what they made of the Rashford deal, I noticed quite a lot of them refer to him as Rashy. No idea if it was derogatory or not.
Jesus, in what way could it be interpreted as derogatory ?
Only if they know personally that he doesn't like it.
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What a surprise, FootyVill correct again.
Didn’t they claim to have made it up themselves? Or was it one of the tiny number of the things they don’t claim credit for?
Insight.
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I never claimed to have developed the nickname. I just used it sometimes and was aware that it was in use. Let's move forward from these name-calling preferences. Each to their own.
I believe some individuals referred to Henri as Angela. I didn't understand it myself but it was because the two had the same surname:Lansbury they wrote.
At the end of the day, we're all on the same page: we want him to succeed and contribute positively to the team.
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While perusing some Man U boards to see what they made of the Rashford deal, I noticed quite a lot of them refer to him as Rashy. No idea if it was derogatory or not.
Jesus, in what way could it be interpreted as derogatory ?
Only if they know personally that he doesn't like it.
Not quite sure I get the level of scrutiny this is getting, maybe I’m wrong and there’s some underlying nastiness to the name and it’s something that is really hurtful to poor Marcus but it’s quite obvious it’s just a nickname or even a shorter bloody version of his surname.
Rashford = Rashy
Kegworth = Keggy
Green = Greeny
Brown = Browny
I know the last two aren’t shorter but you can see what I’m getting at.
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When I was working, Rasher was a term (Nickname) for a Nonce! Or in laymans terms, a sex offender/paedophile.
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When I was working, Rasher was a term (Nickname) for a Nonce! Or in laymans terms, a sex offender/paedophile.
Hey, not all sex offenders are paedophiles. Come on man, this is naked prejudice. Your common or garden flasher, the bloke that falls in love with B&Q stock, they're not into kids. It's just not fair to lump them all together. This is a live issue for the sex-offending community. I'm led to believe.
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When I was working, Rasher was a term (Nickname) for a Nonce! Or in laymans terms, a sex offender/paedophile.
Hey, not all sex offenders are paedophiles. Come on man, this is naked prejudice. Your common or garden flasher, the bloke that falls in love with B&Q stock, they're not into kids. It's just not fair to lump them all together. This is a live issue for the sex-offending community. I'm led to believe.
A long while ago I saw an advert on channel 5 for a documentary about a lady who loved, in a very physical sense, the Eiffel Tower. I didn't see the documentary at hand, but I've often wondered since about what her feelings were on Blackpool Tower, or even electricity pylons. Like, would she be OK with them if the Eiffel Tower wasn't available for some reason, or is it specifically the Eiffel Tower and only the Eiffel Tower that turns her on. No judgements, of course - but it is something I wonder about from time to time.
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When I was working, Rasher was a term (Nickname) for a Nonce! Or in laymans terms, a sex offender/paedophile.
Hey, not all sex offenders are paedophiles. Come on man, this is naked prejudice. Your common or garden flasher, the bloke that falls in love with B&Q stock, they're not into kids. It's just not fair to lump them all together. This is a live issue for the sex-offending community. I'm led to believe.
A long while ago I saw an advert on channel 5 for a documentary about a lady who loved, in a very physical sense, the Eiffel Tower. I didn't see the documentary at hand, but I've often wondered since about what her feelings were on Blackpool Tower, or even electricity pylons. Like, would she be OK with them if the Eiffel Tower wasn't available for some reason, or is it specifically the Eiffel Tower and only the Eiffel Tower that turns her on. No judgements, of course - but it is something I wonder about from time to time.
I don't know the woman - and anyone who says I do is lying - but if she's in love with the Eiffel Tower, why would she be interested in Blackpool Tower? What is that you don't understand about love, algy?
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When I was working, Rasher was a term (Nickname) for a Nonce! Or in laymans terms, a sex offender/paedophile.
Hey, not all sex offenders are paedophiles. Come on man, this is naked prejudice. Your common or garden flasher, the bloke that falls in love with B&Q stock, they're not into kids. It's just not fair to lump them all together. This is a live issue for the sex-offending community. I'm led to believe.
I'm not saying all sex offenders are paedophiles just that the nickname "Rasher" was a common reference term for them all!
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I'm sorry mate, the damage is done.
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I'm sorry mate, the damage is done.
Don't let it get to you ;)
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I'm sorry mate, the damage is done.
Don't let it get to you ;)
Nope, it's too late now, he's alrady left to go to B&Q to destress.
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I could try to cheer you up by telling you that when Paul Gadd came onto his new wing (in a wheelchair!), the staff sang to him!!
'Do you want to be in my pram, my pram'
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Well I just use the name Rashy as an affectionate nickname and shorthand I certainly wouldn’t use offensive language knowingly !
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Would love to see Fordy score the winner against Liverpool
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Would love to see Fordy score the winner against Liverpool
Picky Fordy?
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Did anyone have a nickname for 80s singer Andrew Roachford ?
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Did anyone have a nickname for 80s singer Andrew Roachford ?
Roachford.
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Did anyone have a nickname for 80s singer Andrew Roachford ?
Andy.
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Andy Cockprefect.
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Files.
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While perusing some Man U boards to see what they made of the Rashford deal, I noticed quite a lot of them refer to him as Rashy. No idea if it was derogatory or not.
Jesus, in what way could it be interpreted as derogatory ?
Only if they know personally that he doesn't like it.
Not quite sure I get the level of scrutiny this is getting, maybe I’m wrong and there’s some underlying nastiness to the name and it’s something that is really hurtful to poor Marcus but it’s quite obvious it’s just a nickname or even a shorter bloody version of his surname.
Rashford = Rashy
Kegworth = Keggy
Green = Greeny
Brown = Browny
I know the last two aren’t shorter but you can see what I’m getting at.
To clarify, again, the tone of the posts I was seeing it used in were quite angry and they all seemed to hate him. People don't usually use nicknames in a positive way when having a pop at a man and everything he's ever done. So I wasn't sure if it was commonly used among Man U fans, or just a select bunch that hate him.
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If Marcus hits a screamer in the FA Cup the commentator can shout Raassshfordddd like Ronnie Radford
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Or…..
Shit!
Did you see that?
He must have a foot like a traction engine
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Would have to be one of those where it hits the underside of the bar, bounces on the line, then smashes into the roof of the net through.
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Would have to be one of those where it hits the underside of the bar, bounces on the line, then smashes into the roof of the net through.
Like this?
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Yes, one of those please.
Eat my goal.
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When I was working, Rasher was a term (Nickname) for a Nonce! Or in laymans terms, a sex offender/paedophile.
Hey, not all sex offenders are paedophiles. Come on man, this is naked prejudice. Your common or garden flasher, the bloke that falls in love with B&Q stock, they're not into kids. It's just not fair to lump them all together. This is a live issue for the sex-offending community. I'm led to believe.
A long while ago I saw an advert on channel 5 for a documentary about a lady who loved, in a very physical sense, the Eiffel Tower. I didn't see the documentary at hand, but I've often wondered since about what her feelings were on Blackpool Tower, or even electricity pylons. Like, would she be OK with them if the Eiffel Tower wasn't available for some reason, or is it specifically the Eiffel Tower and only the Eiffel Tower that turns her on. No judgements, of course - but it is something I wonder about from time to time.
I don't know the woman - and anyone who says I do is lying - but if she's in love with the Eiffel Tower, why would she be interested in Blackpool Tower? What is that you don't understand about love, algy?
(Sits crying)
"Love" .... how I am I supposed to understand what "love" is?
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Would have to be one of those where it hits the underside of the bar, bounces on the line, then smashes into the roof of the net through.
Like this?
That was almost Duranesque - proper banger
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When I was working, Rasher was a term (Nickname) for a Nonce! Or in laymans terms, a sex offender/paedophile.
Hey, not all sex offenders are paedophiles. Come on man, this is naked prejudice. Your common or garden flasher, the bloke that falls in love with B&Q stock, they're not into kids. It's just not fair to lump them all together. This is a live issue for the sex-offending community. I'm led to believe.
A long while ago I saw an advert on channel 5 for a documentary about a lady who loved, in a very physical sense, the Eiffel Tower. I didn't see the documentary at hand, but I've often wondered since about what her feelings were on Blackpool Tower, or even electricity pylons. Like, would she be OK with them if the Eiffel Tower wasn't available for some reason, or is it specifically the Eiffel Tower and only the Eiffel Tower that turns her on. No judgements, of course - but it is something I wonder about from time to time.
I don't know the woman - and anyone who says I do is lying - but if she's in love with the Eiffel Tower, why would she be interested in Blackpool Tower? What is that you don't understand about love, algy?
(Sits crying)
"Love" .... how I am I supposed to understand what "love" is?
Oh, another Foreigner.
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When I was working, Rasher was a term (Nickname) for a Nonce! Or in laymans terms, a sex offender/paedophile.
Hey, not all sex offenders are paedophiles. Come on man, this is naked prejudice. Your common or garden flasher, the bloke that falls in love with B&Q stock, they're not into kids. It's just not fair to lump them all together. This is a live issue for the sex-offending community. I'm led to believe.
A long while ago I saw an advert on channel 5 for a documentary about a lady who loved, in a very physical sense, the Eiffel Tower. I didn't see the documentary at hand, but I've often wondered since about what her feelings were on Blackpool Tower, or even electricity pylons. Like, would she be OK with them if the Eiffel Tower wasn't available for some reason, or is it specifically the Eiffel Tower and only the Eiffel Tower that turns her on. No judgements, of course - but it is something I wonder about from time to time.
I don't know the woman - and anyone who says I do is lying - but if she's in love with the Eiffel Tower, why would she be interested in Blackpool Tower? What is that you don't understand about love, algy?
(Sits crying)
"Love" .... how I am I supposed to understand what "love" is?
Oh, another Foreigner.
Do you want me to show you?
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Not seen in any of the training images released ???
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Not seen in any of the training images released ???
I noticed that.
Obviously out on the lash
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Not seen in any of the training images released ???
Back down China White's :)
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Anyone worried that he might have gone off to Dublin to sample one of SJM's favourite watering-holes?
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Reaching here, but is that him on the right?
(https://img.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/6d121ac0-ea24-11ef-8350-f719d752ccfb.jpg)
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I’d say that’s him
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Maybe it's image rights.
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He created some threatening moments today and a cracking free kick against the crossbar which Ollie scored from the rebound. Encouraging.
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I thought he was excellent. Unlucky not to score
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His directness was very useful.
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Also thought he was excellent, he's a level above what we normally have on the wing, fast feet , fast brain .
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I’m sure he will start the next match, he’s looking sharp and ready. I hope so anyway.
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He will be much more effective against teams that do not park the bus.
It would also help if we could move the ball quicker out of defence.
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Maybe I’m a tough audience but I thought he was ok, nothing more. Cracking free kick for the equaliser though.
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Maybe I’m a tough audience but I thought he was ok, nothing more. Cracking free kick for the equaliser though.
Some great bits of play and some bad ones. Did OK is fair I think.
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Nah he was quality when he came on , created great moments from very confined areas . He's top class when he wants to be .
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He changed the game.
We’d have lost without him
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He will want to beat liverpool so has to start for me
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I also thought he was a mixed bag. But that’s what I expected initially.
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It was a cracking pass that put Ollie through for the sitter he missed in the first half.
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Wrong thread.
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Maybe I’m a tough audience but I thought he was ok, nothing more. Cracking free kick for the equaliser though.
Agree with this. Great free kick but apart from that ran into brick walls and the less said about corners the better. To be fair to him, it wasn't easy with a such a stubborn rear guard.
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He did fine yesterday and his attitude looks bang on.
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He looked good and lively to me probably our most dangerous player in the second half
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Not too sure about some of his corners mind.
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I wasn't sure about any of them, the ones at the Holte/TR corner particularly, if you having three men on them, well fine if that's the plan, but surely you want the left footed Asencio ending up with the option to shoot, not Garcia.
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Maybe I’m a tough audience but I thought he was ok, nothing more. Cracking free kick for the equaliser though.
Agree with this. Great free kick but apart from that ran into brick walls and the less said about corners the better. To be fair to him, it wasn't easy with a such a stubborn rear guard.
Yes he managed to avoid their stubborn defence with his corners.
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Ha!
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Not too sure about some of his corners mind.
Brutal...quality footwork down the left flank at the end, mind. Should have been a cracking assist.
I didn't see first half, was Ramsey that bad?
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Varying opinions on Ramsey. I thought he wasn't in the game enough, others say he was unlucky to be hooked and looked dangerous in possession. "Won" the sending-off too.
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Not too sure about some of his corners mind.
Brutal...quality footwork down the left flank at the end, mind. Should have been a cracking assist.
I didn't see first half, was Ramsey that bad?
I thought Ramsey was our brightest player first half, along with Malen. I’d assumed he was injured.
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Varying opinions on Ramsey. I thought he wasn't in the game enough, "Won" the sending-off too.
Same here, didn't think he stayed wide enough and when he did, he didn't stretch them enough to get them out of their shape. Thought Rashford was understandably rusty, but offered the chance to get them going backward.
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He actually ran at players, and got past them. It's something we don't do enough of in the wide areas and him driving into the box made us more dangerous.
There was a lovely moment with him and Maatsen, let down by Maatsen not continuing the overlap and Rashford playing a great ball to where he should have been. It will come.
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He actually ran at players, and got past them. It's something we don't do enough of in the wide areas and him driving into the box made us more dangerous.
There was a lovely moment with him and Maatsen, let down by Maatsen not continuing the overlap and Rashford playing a great ball to where he should have been. It will come.
Didn't see it, but I expect that was the Sky live commentary which was something along the lines of "And there is the Rashford we all know, plays a pass out of play".
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Rashford's still getting his match fitness back; hence a performance that was a little in-and-out. Great free kick.
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He actually ran at players, and got past them. It's something we don't do enough of in the wide areas and him driving into the box made us more dangerous.
There was a lovely moment with him and Maatsen, let down by Maatsen not continuing the overlap and Rashford playing a great ball to where he should have been. It will come.
Didn't see it, but I expect that was the Sky live commentary which was something along the lines of "And there is the Rashford we all know, plays a pass out of play".
Not sure, but he was trying things. He was demanding the ball constantly too. He's up for it, there's no question in my mind. I'd start him on Wednesday, I think he'd give Liverpool a problem before then bringing Ramsey in to torment them further. I doubt that will happen though.
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He would give "trent" a torrid time though so yes, start him and get the crowd up from the start.
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I’d play him every game. We’ve only got him for 4 months so let’s make the most of it. He desperately wants a move to Barca so his motivation is sky high. Let’s make his dream come true.
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I’d play him every game. We’ve only got him for 4 months so let’s make the most of it. He desperately wants a move to Barca so his motivation is sky high. Let’s make his dream come true.
This.
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I’d play him every game. We’ve only got him for 4 months so let’s make the most of it. He desperately wants a move to Barca so his motivation is sky high. Let’s make his dream come true.
And piss off Ramsey completely in the process?
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Ramsey hasn't been available to help us for much of the last year. He can have no complaints.
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I’d play him every game. We’ve only got him for 4 months so let’s make the most of it. He desperately wants a move to Barca so his motivation is sky high. Let’s make his dream come true.
This.
Yes, and bring Jacob on for him on 60th minute when we are 3-0 up. I am going to sunbathe in the garden now.
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Ramsey hasn't been available to help us for much of the last year. He can have no complaints.
It's not like he's been tossing it off for a year, he bost his foot.
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One of the biggest cheers was when he chased back and put a tackle in on the advancing RB.
The media should of picked up on that and tweeted it to Amorim.
I thought he looked dangerous and if anyone was to come off it should of been Rogers who was anonymous for most of the game
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Ramsey hasn't been available to help us for much of the last year. He can have no complaints.
It's not like he's been tossing it off for a year, he bost his foot.
I know it's not his fault, but the fact is he wasn't available so we've had to make other plans.
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Ramsey hasn't been available to help us for much of the last year. He can have no complaints.
He had some decent performances lately. Celtic, West Ham, Spurs....mixed in with getting hooked at half time in two other games.
Fine, bring on Rashford at home to 10 man Ipswich. But Ramsey at his best gives us balance on that left side that I think Rashford will struggle to. Let's see how he goes v Liverpool, Ramsey was roasting TAA at Anfield until he limped off.
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I’d play him every game. We’ve only got him for 4 months so let’s make the most of it. He desperately wants a move to Barca so his motivation is sky high. Let’s make his dream come true.
Is he fit enough to start?
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How does he get fit if he doesn't get decent minutes?
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Beeb Sport
Former Premier League striker Glenn Murray believes Aston Villa fans saw "the Marcus Rashford of old" in the second half of Saturday's 1-1 draw against Ipswich.
The Manchester United loanee was substituted on at half-time with his side 1-0 down and impacted the game with direct running, physicality and intent.
It was his fine free-kick which hit the crossbar and fell to Ollie Watkins to score the equaliser from the rebound.
If not for some late heroics from Ipswich goalkeeper Alex Palmer, Rashford would have forced the winner when his cross was deflected towards his own goal by Conor Townsend.
A player criticised recently for his work-rate, he also recorded impressive defensive numbers, making three tackles alongside winning seven duels to illustrate his commitment to helping the team.
"I watched him and he looked like a weight had been lifted off his shoulders," Murray told the Football Daily podcast.
"He looked like the Marcus Rashford of old - running at people, committing defenders, being positive in his end product.
"We all knew it was there, we all knew he was capable of it. It's been a long time coming. Aston Villa fans will hope they continue to see that.
"Really refreshing from Marcus Rashford."
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Former Premier League striker Glenn Murray
Who?
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He's this striker who has formerly played in the Premier League.
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I would start Rashford he did well when he came on against Ipswich.
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Ramsey hasn't been available to help us for much of the last year. He can have no complaints.
Of course he can have complaints: he's worked his nuts off to get back to full fitness, and the side has benefitted from having him back.
That said, using both him and Rashford will get the best out of our current resources.
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Former Premier League striker Glenn Murray
Who?
Ah, a gap in your knowledge? Really, I'd never have guessed. Utilise a search engine of your choice and you'll find the answer you're looking for.
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I was having a 'moan' about JJ getting into the game against Ipswich but the more the half went on he was getting more into it and being dangerous . I would have left him on and bought on Rashford for Rogers who wasnt at the races .
Id like to see JJ and Rashford together getting some minutes .
Rashford has to start on Wednesday , he was involved with alot of the best attacking moves against Ipswich , that run in the last minute was excellent , loved his play for the Asensio shot and of course the goal. Cant wait to see him match fit .
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Rashford’s dream of playing for Barcelona remains alive, but the landscape has shifted. According to Spanish outlet Sport, Barcelona are now prioritising a move for Liverpool’s Luis Díaz. The Colombian winger, who has been in impressive form for the Reds, is reportedly eager to join the La Liga side, with his father revealing that Díaz was a boyhood Barcelona fan.
If Barcelona succeed in signing Díaz, it would effectively rule out any move for Rashford.
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I was having a 'moan' about JJ getting into the game against Ipswich but the more the half went on he was getting more into it and being dangerous . I would have left him on and bought on Rashford for Rogers who wasnt at the races .
Id like to see JJ and Rashford together getting some minutes .
Rashford has to start on Wednesday , he was involved with alot of the best attacking moves against Ipswich , that run in the last minute was excellent , loved his play for the Asensio shot and of course the goal. Cant wait to see him match fit .
JJ could play at 10 too I think but needs space to run into. Close control needs frankly a lot of work.
Didn't see first half at weekend but Emery would play Rogers on one leg. He's very rarely taken off early.
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Given we agreed a figure to buy him, and that figure is publicly known, you'd have to assume that other clubs aren't going to be offering that much more than that if they're interested?
I know if he has run of form like he did a few years ago, his value would go up, but if Man U don't want to keep him, they're a little bit over a barrel in terms of demanding more money for him?
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I think that if we've agreed a price, then that's the price we'd pay, regardless of what anyone else wanted to pay. However, that's only if he wants to come, if he then wanted to go to another club they'd have to negotiate their own price with ManU at that point.
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Unless I've missed something I've never seen JJ play as a 10. If he was to play in that position I'd say he was 3rd in line behind Rogers and Asensio. Even with the threat of Rashford on the bench vs Ipswich JJ put in a poor 1st half performance and was rightly hooked and I'm a big fan of his.
Rogers became ineffective last Saturday when he was moved to the right to accommodate Asensio. Rogers missed a sitter in the 1st half, but he was in the right place, before his composure let him down. I'd be reluctant to drop Rogers from any starting line-up because other than him and Ollie where are the goals and assists coming from 2/3rds into the season. Nobody else is stepping up consistently and it remains to be seen whether the loanees can.
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Unless I've missed something I've never seen JJ play as a 10. If he was to play in that position I'd say he was 3rd in line behind Rogers and Asensio. Even with the threat of Rashford on the bench vs Ipswich JJ put in a poor 1st half performance and was rightly hooked and I'm a big fan of his.
Rogers became ineffective last Saturday when he was moved to the right to accommodate Asensio. Rogers missed a sitter in the 1st half, but he was in the right place, before his composure let him down. I'd be reluctant to drop Rogers from any starting line-up because other than him and Ollie where are the goals and assists coming from 2/3rds into the season. Nobody else is stepping up consistently and it remains to be seen whether the loanees can.
It's where he played all through youth football and where he was mostly playing for us until Emery arrived and shifted him out to the left. Transfermarkt has him as playing 59 games on the left and 64 in the centre (and a handful on the right). That seems about right to me.
It's a fair argument that he's bene more successful on the left but he was moved when he was 21 and still finding his feet. I wouldn't let that put me off giving him a go centrally.
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Wasn't Rogers 'sitter' deflected over the bar?
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Goalkeeper pushed it over the bar.
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Rashford’s dream of playing for Barcelona remains alive, but the landscape has shifted. According to Spanish outlet Sport, Barcelona are now prioritising a move for Liverpool’s Luis Díaz. The Colombian winger, who has been in impressive form for the Reds, is reportedly eager to join the La Liga side, with his father revealing that Díaz was a boyhood Barcelona fan.
If Barcelona succeed in signing Díaz, it would effectively rule out any move for Rashford.
He ain't been in impressive form, his chested winner against Wulfs was his first goal in ages. And as for the "boyhood Barcelona fan", sure weren't we all?! FFS, it's not like Robbie Keane pretending to have supported every club he ever played for...
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Rashford has a great goal record against this lot.
I would rest / drop Rogers for Asensio and bring him on at the 60min mark - same for Ramsay
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I think that if we've agreed a price, then that's the price we'd pay, regardless of what anyone else wanted to pay. However, that's only if he wants to come, if he then wanted to go to another club they'd have to negotiate their own price with ManU at that point.
I know. My point, or my rambling thought, was that if they've agreed a fee with us, and then we don't want him, they can hardly say to Barca we want 75mil for him. Especially if Man U really want rid of him. It seems like they're not in a great position, negotiation wise, come the summer if we don't buy him.
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What's to stop us buying him, upping the price and selling him on?
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What's to stop us buying him, upping the price and selling him on?
The player not wanting to hinder a move to his preferred club.
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What's to stop us buying him, upping the price and selling him on?
The player not wanting to hinder a move to his preferred club.
Yeah, it would make no sense for him.
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What's to stop us buying him, upping the price and selling him on?
I think there might be a rule about that? Or maybe its loans?
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Is there a call back option for him? I know he's the most unpopular player with their manager, but if they get a really bad run of injuries, can they call him back?
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Is there a call back option for him? I know he's the most unpopular player with their manager, but if they get a really bad run of injuries, can they call him back?
Too late, he's already blocked Amorim's number.
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What's to stop us buying him, upping the price and selling him on?
The player not wanting to hinder a move to his preferred club.
Yeah, it would make no sense for him.
Unless Man Utd were asking for £70m or something from Barca which they wouldn't pay, and we offered to buy him at our price and take £50m.
It wouldn't happen like that anyway, and is probably illegal now but hypothetically that could be a situation that was in the interests of the buying club and the player.
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Did alright again today.
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Did alright again today.
Seriously? The difference Ramsey made when he came on was unbelievable
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Did alright again today.
Seriously? The difference Ramsey made when he came on was unbelievable
I agree with Smirker, he did alright again.
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Ramsey came on at the same time Terrence went off so hard to judge really how much was down to which change.
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Jury still out for me.
He might be fit but some of his decision making is poor.
Maybe needs more game time but we don’t have lots of time, Ramsey looks a better bet right now.
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Jury still out for me.
He might be fit but some of his decision making is poor.
Maybe needs more game time but we don’t have lots of time, Ramsey looks a better bet right now.
We only have 12 PL games left...Rashford is gassed after less than an hour.
Couldn't be bothered even jogging after TAA for the second goal, after a 10 min spell of losing the ball every time he got it. This is a guy meant to be fighting for his career at the top level.
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I thought second hald he was really poor and rightly subbed.was decent 1st thought
I wouldnt want him permanently personally due to the huge wages.but hoping he can at least help us while he is here.
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People were saying he should start already and then when he does people are saying he looks wrecked after 60 minutes. Which is exactly why he didn't start before now.
He's contributed directly to 2 goals from free kicks already. He's been a good signing so far.
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Good first half and then faded as Liverpool
And TAA in particular upped the tempo so he started to struggle. Rightly subbed but that’s 60 in his legs so hopefully he can move on from his first start.
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Perhaps what hindered us, was that Digne was naturally worried about the threat of Salah so reluctant to get forward at times, Rashfords first touch is usually excellent, he was drawing players to him but he didn't always have an overload option. I liked the way UE switched things around so the 4 forward players rotated around the forward positions, you wonder if him and Ramsey could play together as Ramsey overlapping would be a big threat.
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We must remember he hasnt played much football so will take a few weeks to build his fitness up. He can look a handful at times
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Yeah, I agree with Demitri there. He's not really played for about 2 months, and I'd guess he's being expected to do more at Villa than he has been at Manchester United for quite some time. Not too worried about him getting tired early at this stage. It's to be expected really.
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His first goal will not be far away
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His first goal will not be far away
My mate had him as next goal scorer at h/t, it caused much excitement when he rounded the keeper out wide and tried to chip the ball in, unfortunately it didn’t really get much better.
I still thought he offered something and naturally tired, he started poorly but he never hid.
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We must remember he hasnt played much football so will take a few weeks to build his fitness up. He can look a handful at times
Agreed. He's been better than I thought he would be, and I didn't expect him to play much past 60 mins on his first start.
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We must remember he hasnt played much football so will take a few weeks to build his fitness up. He can look a handful at times
Agreed. He's been better than I thought he would be, and I didn't expect him to play much past 60 mins on his first start.
Same. I was expected glimpses but he has shown more than i expected at this stage. Same with asensio
Both look a real handful.
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For everyone moaning about his tracking for Terrence, Salah didn't track Digne for our goal, which if we had lost it would have meant a break was on for them.
Also, they also were not in the same position in the pitch when Liverpool broke with the foul on Ollie. TTA had come right over to the middle and had 10 yards or so on Rashford closer to our half. But we also had a reasonable amount back. If the bounce had favoured Digne instead of Salah, Rashford would have been away on his own as well.
Yes, in hindsight I would have preferred him to come back more, and would be fuming more IF they had both starting on the wing, but it is not like TTA ran right passed him.
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His first touch is excellent and he knows how he wants to use the ball; speed of mind is good. Last night, I think he caused Liverpool to tread a little more carefully than they perhaps might have done.
What disapointed me was that almost all his passes were poor. However, I'm reckoning that is rustiness rather than crapness.
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I think his directness is a massive asset. His passing is a bit rusty but I think that’ll return quick. He’s very clearly motivated.
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I think his directness is a massive asset.
It certainly was when he clashed with the Tories.
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For everyone moaning about his tracking for Terrence, Salah didn't track Digne for our goal, which if we had lost it would have meant a break was on for them.
Also, they also were not in the same position in the pitch when Liverpool broke with the foul on Ollie. TTA had come right over to the middle and had 10 yards or so on Rashford closer to our half. But we also had a reasonable amount back. If the bounce had favoured Digne instead of Salah, Rashford would have been away on his own as well.
Yes, in hindsight I would have preferred him to come back more, and would be fuming more IF they had both starting on the wing, but it is not like TTA ran right passed him.
There's also a very high chance that he was told to stay high up the pitch so we could try to exploit the space TAA was leaving regularly, lots of teams do it against Liverpool and have for a few years.
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A direct, attack minded left winger. What’s not to like? He’s been decent so far and think he’ll be super handy for our run in. If he can’t take a sizeable wage drop I wouldn’t keep him as we already have an issue with wages to income. And every other player will want a pay rise if he comes in on those wages.
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For everyone moaning about his tracking for Terrence, Salah didn't track Digne for our goal, which if we had lost it would have meant a break was on for them.
Also, they also were not in the same position in the pitch when Liverpool broke with the foul on Ollie. TTA had come right over to the middle and had 10 yards or so on Rashford closer to our half. But we also had a reasonable amount back. If the bounce had favoured Digne instead of Salah, Rashford would have been away on his own as well.
Yes, in hindsight I would have preferred him to come back more, and would be fuming more IF they had both starting on the wing, but it is not like TTA ran right passed him.
Rashford didn't bother his h*le, that's the long and short of it. He saw that break and play developing and could have broken his last sweat to get back, it wasn't a lightning quick break...but he wasn't bothered. That's the main reason his career is in freefall to start with. 60 mins into his first start in a Villa shirt...
Any whataboutery comparison with Salah is bogus...Salah is given licence by Liverpool to stay high on the right, hes arguably the best player in the PL, hes everything Rashford isn't basically.
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For everyone moaning about his tracking for Terrence, Salah didn't track Digne for our goal, which if we had lost it would have meant a break was on for them.
Also, they also were not in the same position in the pitch when Liverpool broke with the foul on Ollie. TTA had come right over to the middle and had 10 yards or so on Rashford closer to our half. But we also had a reasonable amount back. If the bounce had favoured Digne instead of Salah, Rashford would have been away on his own as well.
Yes, in hindsight I would have preferred him to come back more, and would be fuming more IF they had both starting on the wing, but it is not like TTA ran right passed him.
Rashford didn't bother his h*le, that's the long and short of it. He saw that break and play developing and could have broken his last sweat to get back, it wasn't a lightning quick break...but he wasn't bothered. That's the main reason his career is in freefall to start with. 60 mins into his first start in a Villa shirt...
Any whataboutery comparison with Salah is bogus...Salah is given licence by Liverpool to stay high on the right, hes arguably the best player in the PL, hes everything Rashford isn't basically.
This is just Rashford hate isn’t it? How do you know he was t given licence by Emery to stay up the pitch? I’ll answer for you. You don’t.
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Yeah, he didn't like Rashford before so he's determined to find nonsense reasons to have a go.
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For everyone moaning about his tracking for Terrence, Salah didn't track Digne for our goal, which if we had lost it would have meant a break was on for them.
Also, they also were not in the same position in the pitch when Liverpool broke with the foul on Ollie. TTA had come right over to the middle and had 10 yards or so on Rashford closer to our half. But we also had a reasonable amount back. If the bounce had favoured Digne instead of Salah, Rashford would have been away on his own as well.
Yes, in hindsight I would have preferred him to come back more, and would be fuming more IF they had both starting on the wing, but it is not like TTA ran right passed him.
Rashford didn't bother his h*le, that's the long and short of it. He saw that break and play developing and could have broken his last sweat to get back, it wasn't a lightning quick break...but he wasn't bothered. That's the main reason his career is in freefall to start with. 60 mins into his first start in a Villa shirt...
Any whataboutery comparison with Salah is bogus...Salah is given licence by Liverpool to stay high on the right, hes arguably the best player in the PL, hes everything Rashford isn't basically.
This is just Rashford hate isn’t it? How do you know he was t given licence by Emery to stay up the pitch? I’ll answer for you. You don’t.
Neither do you...yet he was taken off a few minutes later and his replacement Ramsey did put in a serious shift defensively to support Digne and later Maatsen up against Salah. We were so much better with Malen, Rogers and Ramsey
Everything I feared with Rashford and Asensio was shown up yesterday. Woefully short of match fitness and their selection unbalanced the team completely. When are we expecting they could play 90mins against a decent opponent - end of March?
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Yeah, he didn't like Rashford before so he's determined to find nonsense reasons to have a go.
Seems like it might be similar for Disasi.
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Players don't have to play 90 minutes. We have lots of subs, including some brilliant players.
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Players don't have to play 90 minutes. We have lots of subs, including some brilliant players.
only half the outfield players do these days
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He was decent but JJ was mint when he came on and he's one of our own so he wins.
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Rashford pace and quickness of feet are what makes him valuable. When he gets the ball there is that feeling he's capable of causing problems . Just enjoy him while he's here could be a huge asset in the cup games especially.
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He's with us for the next few months, how about giving him all our support? It might just help us win something! A cup, maybe?
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Yeah, he didn't like Rashford before so he's determined to find nonsense reasons to have a go.
Seems like it might be similar for Disasi.
Thing is you could dig out any one of the players last night or any other game if you so wish and you look hard enough.
Some get special treatment though, as is the case for this lad or Super Ollie for example.
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Yeah, he didn't like Rashford before so he's determined to find nonsense reasons to have a go.
Seems like it might be similar for Disasi.
Thing is you could dig out any one of the players last night or any other game if you so wish and you look hard enough.
Some get special treatment though, as is the case for this lad or Super Ollie for example.
Well you can, if you come with a bias and look for mistakes rather than at performances in the round.
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great freekick from rashford , thats twice
happy so far , cant wait until hes up to speed.
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Genuinely baffled by the criticism from you-know-who. Has Marcus had an affair with his missus? The level of blinkered criticism is so significant that it's like there has to be something personal there, surely?
I think he's been pretty good. Not perfect. Not brilliant. But pretty good, and certainly better than I expected. He was unlucky with the offside disallowed goal yesterday, and Ollie doesn't score against Ipswich without his free-kick. Plus he's created other chances too.
If his name wasn't Marcus Rashford, I'm 100% sure everyone would be excited by the performances he's put in since he arrived.
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Neither do you...yet he was taken off a few minutes later and his replacement Ramsey did put in a serious shift defensively to support Digne and later Maatsen up against Salah. We were so much better with Malen, Rogers and Ramsey
Everything I feared with Rashford and Asensio was shown up yesterday. Woefully short of match fitness and their selection unbalanced the team completely. When are we expecting they could play 90mins against a decent opponent - end of March?
And TTA was taken off a few mins later after scoring, probably for the same reason of they were being given 60 odd mins and subs were going to be made.
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The media agenda against Rashford may end up being the reason why we don't ultimately sign him permanently. The gist of every article about him is he isn't good enough for the largest club in Salford but too good for us.
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For everyone moaning about his tracking for Terrence, Salah didn't track Digne for our goal, which if we had lost it would have meant a break was on for them.
Also, they also were not in the same position in the pitch when Liverpool broke with the foul on Ollie. TTA had come right over to the middle and had 10 yards or so on Rashford closer to our half. But we also had a reasonable amount back. If the bounce had favoured Digne instead of Salah, Rashford would have been away on his own as well.
Yes, in hindsight I would have preferred him to come back more, and would be fuming more IF they had both starting on the wing, but it is not like TTA ran right passed him.
Rashford didn't bother his h*le, that's the long and short of it. He saw that break and play developing and could have broken his last sweat to get back, it wasn't a lightning quick break...but he wasn't bothered. That's the main reason his career is in freefall to start with. 60 mins into his first start in a Villa shirt...
Any whataboutery comparison with Salah is bogus...Salah is given licence by Liverpool to stay high on the right, hes arguably the best player in the PL, hes everything Rashford isn't basically.
This is just Rashford hate isn’t it? How do you know he was t given licence by Emery to stay up the pitch? I’ll answer for you. You don’t.
Neither do you...yet he was taken off a few minutes later and his replacement Ramsey did put in a serious shift defensively to support Digne and later Maatsen up against Salah. We were so much better with Malen, Rogers and Ramsey
Everything I feared with Rashford and Asensio was shown up yesterday. Woefully short of match fitness and their selection unbalanced the team completely. When are we expecting they could play 90mins against a decent opponent - end of March?
Are you going to completely ignore the fact that JJ only started getting ready to come on after Connor Bradley was waiting to come on, completely removing the benefit of having a player in behind TAA to exploit the space he leaves?
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Genuinely baffled by the criticism from you-know-who. Has Marcus had an affair with his missus? The level of blinkered criticism is so significant that it's like there has to be something personal there, surely?
I think he's been pretty good. Not perfect. Not brilliant. But pretty good, and certainly better than I expected. He was unlucky with the offside disallowed goal yesterday, and Ollie doesn't score against Ipswich without his free-kick. Plus he's created other chances too.
If his name wasn't Marcus Rashford, I'm 100% sure everyone would be excited by the performances he's put in since he arrived.
Sore Tory?
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Genuinely baffled by the criticism from you-know-who. Has Marcus had an affair with his missus? The level of blinkered criticism is so significant that it's like there has to be something personal there, surely?
I think he's been pretty good. Not perfect. Not brilliant. But pretty good, and certainly better than I expected. He was unlucky with the offside disallowed goal yesterday, and Ollie doesn't score against Ipswich without his free-kick. Plus he's created other chances too.
If his name wasn't Marcus Rashford, I'm 100% sure everyone would be excited by the performances he's put in since he arrived.
I think all 5 January additions have added a lot to us with their performances so far.
If we can get most of the injured masses back I think we could be a very good side for the run in, the squad now has the best depth I think we've ever had.
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^ I think it's safe to say all 5 January signings have already been more impressive than our summer signings? I think Barkley has been the best of the summer bunch so far.
Maybe the bar is quite low there, to be fair, but it feels like we've added depth and quality this time around.
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I've liked what I have seen of Barkley on the whole. Shame he got injured.
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I think Maatsen and Onana have shown enough to think that they can both be big players for us over the next few years and Barkley, as said, has been a good addition.
Philogene turned a big profit and SIJ and Enzo we can't really judge.
I think the problem really was that we made a lot of signings for the future and probably didn't add enough for the now. We've addressed that.
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He’s a brilliant footballer who is starting to believe again. It wasn’t going to happen immediately. But he’s putting the work in and you can see he’s beginning to enjoy himself again.
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Hope we can keep him after the summer, at twenty seven he still has a lot of football in him. Why would anyone knock him this early?
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Because they hated him before he signed and would rather be proved right in their own head than enjoy watching a world class player play for Villa.
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Ramsey is a fine player, one of my favourites and a game changer when fit and on song. Rashford is also a top class player and has the ability to be one of the best attacking players out there.
Isn’t it great to have those two options.
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I also love the general omission of quite an important fact, and this isn’t a criticism of the players coming on they did great and exactly what was needed, it’s easier playing once the opposition are tired and spaces are opening up a bit. The players who played the first 60 odd minutes did excellently giving us attacking threat and stressing the Liverpool team at its freshest. That gave the subs the platform to do what they did, and they delivered. It’s such a simplistic view to say, the subs came on and did well so they’re better.
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Jhon Duran being the perfect case in point. He was way more effective coming off the bench than he was as a starter. He wants to start games as the main striker and who can blame him but it's a totally different challenge. Bronte's criticism of the winter signings smacks of someone who made his stance clear from the outset and is going to stick to his guns no matter what. He was pretty quiet about Asensio & Rashfords superb debut cameo and Rashfords brilliant free kick that led to Ollies goal against Ipswich. There hasn't been a dead ball hit like that in villa colours for a long long time.
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Yes and the criticism of Disasi is indicative of that too - hammered him for the one mistake he made, as opposed to the quality and importance of his all round performance.
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Jhon Duran being the perfect case in point. He was way more effective coming off the bench than he was as a starter. He wants to start games as the main striker and who can blame him but it's a totally different challenge. Bronte's criticism of the winter signings smacks of someone who made his stance clear from the outset and is going to stick to his guns no matter what. He was pretty quiet about Asensio & Rashfords superb debut cameo and Rashfords brilliant free kick that led to Ollies goal against Ipswich. There hasn't been a dead ball hit like that in villa colours for a long long time.
Whilst I understand the sentiment, in all but one game that Duran started last season, he scored a goal. The one was the Newcastle game where he was unfortunately sent off.
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Yes and the criticism of Disasi is indicative of that too - hammered him for the one mistake he made, as opposed to the quality and importance of his all round performance.
Agree, Disasi was excellent on the night. I hope Konsa is fit on Saturday. Mings looked a bit leggy at times against Liverpool. All these centre back injuries have resulted in Tyrone being forced to play when he could do with a rest for some games. I think the backline has changed 11 times this season through injuries. It's no wonder we can't keep a clean sheet!
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The media agenda against Rashford may end up being the reason why we don't ultimately sign him permanently. The gist of every article about him is he isn't good enough for the largest club in Salford but too good for us.
Todays chip paper, I reckon the press are already bored with the story, and long may it continue.
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Jhon Duran being the perfect case in point. He was way more effective coming off the bench than he was as a starter. He wants to start games as the main striker and who can blame him but it's a totally different challenge. Bronte's criticism of the winter signings smacks of someone who made his stance clear from the outset and is going to stick to his guns no matter what. He was pretty quiet about Asensio & Rashfords superb debut cameo and Rashfords brilliant free kick that led to Ollies goal against Ipswich. There hasn't been a dead ball hit like that in villa colours for a long long time.
I praised both for their performance v Spurs. Would have been a quality assist from Rashford to beat Ipswich at the death too, great run and cross. But they were soft enough cameos really, Spurs team on its knees and 10 man Ipswich. Starting at home against the likely title winners was going to be a real test of where they are both at. I thought it was worrying how far off the pace they both were and how unbalanced the team was as a result.
I really didn't get Emery's logic in bringing both in and Malen at the same time. I still don't.
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Yep, if he was the only story at Man Utd at the moment they might keep it up, but there's so many other clickbait worthy nonsense happening there that they don't need to focus on Rashford now.
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Jhon Duran being the perfect case in point. He was way more effective coming off the bench than he was as a starter. He wants to start games as the main striker and who can blame him but it's a totally different challenge. Bronte's criticism of the winter signings smacks of someone who made his stance clear from the outset and is going to stick to his guns no matter what. He was pretty quiet about Asensio & Rashfords superb debut cameo and Rashfords brilliant free kick that led to Ollies goal against Ipswich. There hasn't been a dead ball hit like that in villa colours for a long long time.
I praised both for their performance v Spurs. Would have been a quality assist from Rashford to beat Ipswich at the death too, great run and cross. But they were soft enough cameos really, Spurs team on its knees and 10 man Ipswich. Starting at home against the likely title winners was going to be a real test of where they are both at. I thought it was worrying how far off the pace they both were and how unbalanced the team was as a result.
I really didn't get Emery's logic in bringing both in and Malen at the same time. I still don't.
Malen is a longer term replacement for Watkins, not the only one, but fitting the bill of a player that's a bit more versatile and can play alongside another forward rather than just instead.
In my view.
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I also love the general omission of quite an important fact, and this isn’t a criticism of the players coming on they did great and exactly what was needed, it’s easier playing once the opposition are tired and spaces are opening up a bit. The players who played the first 60 odd minutes did excellently giving us attacking threat and stressing the Liverpool team at its freshest. That gave the subs the platform to do what they did, and they delivered. It’s such a simplistic view to say, the subs came on and did well so they’re better.
And these "crap" players in the first 60 minutes were on the pitch when our goals were scored.
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Jhon Duran being the perfect case in point. He was way more effective coming off the bench than he was as a starter. He wants to start games as the main striker and who can blame him but it's a totally different challenge. Bronte's criticism of the winter signings smacks of someone who made his stance clear from the outset and is going to stick to his guns no matter what. He was pretty quiet about Asensio & Rashfords superb debut cameo and Rashfords brilliant free kick that led to Ollies goal against Ipswich. There hasn't been a dead ball hit like that in villa colours for a long long time.
I praised both for their performance v Spurs. Would have been a quality assist from Rashford to beat Ipswich at the death too, great run and cross. But they were soft enough cameos really, Spurs team on its knees and 10 man Ipswich. Starting at home against the likely title winners was going to be a real test of where they are both at. I thought it was worrying how far off the pace they both were and how unbalanced the team was as a result.
I really didn't get Emery's logic in bringing both in and Malen at the same time. I still don't.
Malen is a longer term replacement for Watkins, not the only one, but fitting the bill of a player that's a bit more versatile and can play alongside another forward rather than just instead.
In my view.
I think your right Lee, he’s going to be our long term option for centre forward.
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Jhon Duran being the perfect case in point. He was way more effective coming off the bench than he was as a starter. He wants to start games as the main striker and who can blame him but it's a totally different challenge. Bronte's criticism of the winter signings smacks of someone who made his stance clear from the outset and is going to stick to his guns no matter what. He was pretty quiet about Asensio & Rashfords superb debut cameo and Rashfords brilliant free kick that led to Ollies goal against Ipswich. There hasn't been a dead ball hit like that in villa colours for a long long time.
I praised both for their performance v Spurs. Would have been a quality assist from Rashford to beat Ipswich at the death too, great run and cross. But they were soft enough cameos really, Spurs team on its knees and 10 man Ipswich. Starting at home against the likely title winners was going to be a real test of where they are both at. I thought it was worrying how far off the pace they both were and how unbalanced the team was as a result.
I really didn't get Emery's logic in bringing both in and Malen at the same time. I still don't.
I thought Rashford played well in the first half against Liverpool, and they look fairly panicked every time he ran off them. I think the comments of him being way off the pace are way off the mark. In terms of Ascensio I’d be more inclined to agree with you, however my 15 year old see’s the game far clearer than I ever do and in his view, Ascensio was finding loads of pockets of space and knitting everything together first half.
It seems pretty churlish to keep sticking to your narrative of them being bad signings when the evidence to date doesn’t back this up
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Jhon Duran being the perfect case in point. He was way more effective coming off the bench than he was as a starter. He wants to start games as the main striker and who can blame him but it's a totally different challenge. Bronte's criticism of the winter signings smacks of someone who made his stance clear from the outset and is going to stick to his guns no matter what. He was pretty quiet about Asensio & Rashfords superb debut cameo and Rashfords brilliant free kick that led to Ollies goal against Ipswich. There hasn't been a dead ball hit like that in villa colours for a long long time.
I praised both for their performance v Spurs. Would have been a quality assist from Rashford to beat Ipswich at the death too, great run and cross. But they were soft enough cameos really, Spurs team on its knees and 10 man Ipswich. Starting at home against the likely title winners was going to be a real test of where they are both at. I thought it was worrying how far off the pace they both were and how unbalanced the team was as a result.
I really didn't get Emery's logic in bringing both in and Malen at the same time. I still don't.
I thought Rashford played well in the first half against Liverpool, and they look fairly panicked every time he ran off them. I think the comments of him being way off the pace are way off the mark. In terms of Ascensio I’d be more inclined to agree with you, however my 15 year old see’s the game far clearer than I ever do and in his view, Ascensio was finding loads of pockets of space and knitting everything together first half.
It seems pretty churlish to keep sticking to your narrative of them being bad signings when the evidence to date doesn’t back this up
Didn't you hear? They were miles off the pace and we were very unbalanced team. You just have to ignore the fact we were playing the runaway league leaders, had more possession, and were leading 2-1 at half-time with both of them in the side.
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Sign him up.
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0 goals scored. Not good enough.
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His ability to burn full backs is so good to watch. He massively adds to us
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Sorry to be that guy (I'm not really), but it's time to start quoting people from the first 50 pages of this thread. Excellent player. Excellent signing.
Don't believe everything you read in the press.
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I thought he was great, and though not everything came off, he has so much ability that it worries defenders and creates space for others. I don't care if this is just him putting himself in the shop window for the summer, so far he's been great, and I hope it continues. Two assists today, in just 45 minutes. He's a massive asset!
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Has he moved to Birmingham yet? That is the only thing the haters have left to beat him with. Looks immense, direct running and ability to spot a pass... whoop de feckin' whoop!
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Don't believe everything you read in the press.
I've been checking Man U forums the last few games just to see what they're saying, and to be fair to them most seem willing to acknowledge that he wasn't the problem at Man Utd. Some still seem petty about the whole situation, but most seem to know the club is a toxic mess at the moment and the fact most of the "problem" players are having an instant resurgence for their new clubs just proves that for them.
It would be nice to think Rashford will get back to where he was a few years ago and want to stay with us, and we can afford to keep him, but even if he keeps on like he's started and then is gone again in a few months, I think we're going to do really well out of this deal. And I hope he gets something out of it too.
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Don't believe everything you read in the press.
I've been checking Man U forums the last few games just to see what they're saying, and to be fair to them most seem willing to acknowledge that he wasn't the problem at Man Utd. Some still seem petty about the whole situation, but most seem to know the club is a toxic mess at the moment and the fact most of the "problem" players are having an instant resurgence for their new clubs just proves that for them.
It would be nice to think Rashford will get back to where he was a few years ago and want to stay with us, and we can afford to keep him, but even if he keeps on like he's started and then is gone again in a few months, I think we're going to do really well out of this deal. And I hope he gets something out of it too.
Nicely put mate. Agree with every word.
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If Rashford goes anywhere it will be Barca, can they afford him in there present state?, if we can give Rashford a Cup Final or Champions league spot for next season, or both, why leave.
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Think he might even get a 5/10 from brontebilly tonight
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Yeah, perpetual motion. Martinez, Kamara, Rashford, Asensio, Disasi. Need to give them all reasons to stay. Success breeds success, blah, blah, blah.
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Think he might even get a 5/10 from brontebilly tonight
But he’ll probably take 1 point off him for being uppity.
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He looks happy, Marcus has made a big impact since putting on the Villa shirt.
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Don't take on the man, brother. You'll get punished.
Keep going, Marcus. Look good in claret and blue.
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He’s a fabulous footballer. We all got a bit conned by what was written about him and his performances for England more so than Man U. But things weren’t right and it’s clear he is breathing fresh air. Not the toxic shit at his former club. A manager and a club with supporters that want him to do well and succeed.
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We all? No, some. It was frustrating as fuck and I'm going to be a massive cock about it.
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We all? No, some. It was frustrating as fuck and I'm going to be a massive cock about it.
I’m talking about before he joined us. What was said about him in the media, by many of their fans, and very much members of their club. There were some who had doubts when he joined us. And they were entitled to them. He’s proving a lot of people wrong now.
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Still, no we didn't.
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In fairness ManU gave been flying since bombing him out. Amorim is a genius.
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I agree with that. It isn't personal mate. More challenging "we all got conned". There was all sorts going on further forward in this thread and it was really embarrassing. People should be pulled on it.
@ Toronto
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I think its abit petty to call people out.
We are all villa fans at end of the day. People are entitled to express their opinion
Lets enjoy his time here
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That's handy.
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I think its abit petty to call people out.
We are all villa fans at end of the day. People are entitled to express their opinion
Lets enjoy his time here
Is it fuck. I haven't called anyone out either. I'll leave others to reflect on if they were being completely irrational based on what they were being fed.
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Good to see him making a positive impact.
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I think its abit petty to call people out.
We are all villa fans at end of the day. People are entitled to express their opinion
Lets enjoy his time here
Is it fuck. I haven't called anyone out either. I'll leave others to reflect on if they were being completely irrational based on what they were being fed.
And if they do reflect, perhaps they might decide to spare us days of barely-literate histrionics the next time we're linked with a sub goalie.
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Unai Emery on Marcus Rashford: "[We want to] Support him. Help him. Try to help him to feel comfortable here. Try to help him get confidence with us. Try to use the skill in our tactical idea, try to be demanding with him. He is in this process."
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I think its abit petty to call people out.
We are all villa fans at end of the day. People are entitled to express their opinion
Lets enjoy his time here
Is it fuck. I haven't called anyone out either. I'll leave others to reflect on if they were being completely irrational based on what they were being fed.
And if they do reflect, perhaps they might decide to spare us days of barely-literate histrionics the next time we're linked with a sub goalie.
That would be nice.
I've just checked. Right in there, spraying bile, nose to the trough. Accountability, motherfuckers.
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Rashford been better than expected. Id obviously take him of he took a wage cut but at 300k too expensive and wont happen
If he helps us deliver a trophy or CL the momey would have been well spent
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Stick those caveats in, mate. The step down will feel better.
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Rashford been better than expected. Id obviously take him of he took a wage cut but at 300k too expensive and wont happen
If he helps us deliver a trophy or CL the momey would have been well spent
It was said a few times when we were negotiating the deal, he's not on 300k as a basic wage. That includes CL bonuses and other such add ons. He wouldn't have been getting 300k this season from Man U as they didn't qualify for the CL. I doubt he'd be agreeing to 120k a week, but there may be room for negotiation there, if both parties wanted it.
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Good to see him making a positive impact.
Nice one! I hope he keeps it up so our financiers have to juggle figures to keep him.
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Rashford been better than expected. Id obviously take him of he took a wage cut but at 300k too expensive and wont happen
If he helps us deliver a trophy or CL the momey would have been well spent
It was said a few times when we were negotiating the deal, he's not on 300k as a basic wage. That includes CL bonuses and other such add ons. He wouldn't have been getting 300k this season from Man U as they didn't qualify for the CL. I doubt he'd be agreeing to 120k a week, but there may be room for negotiation there, if both parties wanted it.
Thanks wasnt aware. I dnt think we can even afford 200k thats the problem as our wage bill is a big issue
I dont think he would re sign if we fail to get champions league this season
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Allegedly the £40m fee will be used to pay off the remainder of his Man U contract, so he may accept something more modest.
Probably with Barcelona, but you never know.
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I think its abit petty to call people out.
We are all villa fans at end of the day. People are entitled to express their opinion
Lets enjoy his time here
No, it's not. When you have a poster who can barely crack a smile when we win but spend days posting after a defeat, it can grate and you wonder why they bother.
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Rashford been better than expected. Id obviously take him of he took a wage cut but at 300k too expensive and wont happen
If he helps us deliver a trophy or CL the momey would have been well spent
How do you know what wage he’s on and whether we can afford it?
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I had my reservations, but he's well up for it and working hard. Great to see.
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Reservations were understandable.
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The ideal situation is that Barca can't afford him and other clubs offer more money to buy him but he doesn't agree personal terms and signs for us. So Man Utd only get the minimum price for him, which barely helps them given the mess they're in, and us and Rashford live happily ever after (for another season before we sell him to Barca for £75mil)
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I think he will want to be where he is wanted and loved. That’s certainly not going back to Man U. And if he’s happy with us it will be risk on his part to move again and start elsewhere. Emery clearly wanted him and I am sure at the end of the loan spell he wants us the deal will be made long term.
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Sign him. Now.
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Yep.
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Yes please!
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At the risk of being a party pooper my overall impression is he’s very direct, a good dribbler and dangerous but his decision making isn’t the best, which is probably due to the shocking coaching he’ll have received for the majority of his career. Hopefully Emery can improve that because he could be a real asset
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Seeing someone just burn a player and get to the line is always great to see.
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Excellent performance tonight. A goal is inevitable the way he is working for the team.
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For everyone moaning about his tracking for Terrence, Salah didn't track Digne for our goal, which if we had lost it would have meant a break was on for them.
Also, they also were not in the same position in the pitch when Liverpool broke with the foul on Ollie. TTA had come right over to the middle and had 10 yards or so on Rashford closer to our half. But we also had a reasonable amount back. If the bounce had favoured Digne instead of Salah, Rashford would have been away on his own as well.
Yes, in hindsight I would have preferred him to come back more, and would be fuming more IF they had both starting on the wing, but it is not like TTA ran right passed him.
Rashford didn't bother his h*le, that's the long and short of it. He saw that break and play developing and could have broken his last sweat to get back, it wasn't a lightning quick break...but he wasn't bothered. That's the main reason his career is in freefall to start with. 60 mins into his first start in a Villa shirt...
Any whataboutery comparison with Salah is bogus...Salah is given licence by Liverpool to stay high on the right, hes arguably the best player in the PL, hes everything Rashford isn't basically.
This is just Rashford hate isn’t it? How do you know he was t given licence by Emery to stay up the pitch? I’ll answer for you. You don’t.
Brontebilly often claims to be ITK on Unai’s inner thoughts.
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Sign him. Now.
Agreed, he is just class. The readjustment and wherewithal for Asensio’s was tremendous.
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For everyone moaning about his tracking for Terrence, Salah didn't track Digne for our goal, which if we had lost it would have meant a break was on for them.
Also, they also were not in the same position in the pitch when Liverpool broke with the foul on Ollie. TTA had come right over to the middle and had 10 yards or so on Rashford closer to our half. But we also had a reasonable amount back. If the bounce had favoured Digne instead of Salah, Rashford would have been away on his own as well.
Yes, in hindsight I would have preferred him to come back more, and would be fuming more IF they had both starting on the wing, but it is not like TTA ran right passed him.
Rashford didn't bother his h*le, that's the long and short of it. He saw that break and play developing and could have broken his last sweat to get back, it wasn't a lightning quick break...but he wasn't bothered. That's the main reason his career is in freefall to start with. 60 mins into his first start in a Villa shirt...
Any whataboutery comparison with Salah is bogus...Salah is given licence by Liverpool to stay high on the right, hes arguably the best player in the PL, hes everything Rashford isn't basically.
This is just Rashford hate isn’t it? How do you know he was t given licence by Emery to stay up the pitch? I’ll answer for you. You don’t.
Brontebilly often claims to be ITK on Unai’s inner thoughts.
It’s basically BS and shows a complete lack of understanding at a professional level compared to Football Manager.
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Despite only playing for half of the game, Rashford had the joint second-most touches in the opposition's box of any Villa player on Saturday.
He also created the most chances of any player for his side - with two of the three he created resulting in goals - and registered the most dribbles.
From an article on BBC https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cx2gd810143o
Not sure if those stats speak highly of Rashford, or poorly of the rest of the team today.
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For everyone moaning about his tracking for Terrence, Salah didn't track Digne for our goal, which if we had lost it would have meant a break was on for them.
Also, they also were not in the same position in the pitch when Liverpool broke with the foul on Ollie. TTA had come right over to the middle and had 10 yards or so on Rashford closer to our half. But we also had a reasonable amount back. If the bounce had favoured Digne instead of Salah, Rashford would have been away on his own as well.
Yes, in hindsight I would have preferred him to come back more, and would be fuming more IF they had both starting on the wing, but it is not like TTA ran right passed him.
Rashford didn't bother his h*le, that's the long and short of it. He saw that break and play developing and could have broken his last sweat to get back, it wasn't a lightning quick break...but he wasn't bothered. That's the main reason his career is in freefall to start with. 60 mins into his first start in a Villa shirt...
Any whataboutery comparison with Salah is bogus...Salah is given licence by Liverpool to stay high on the right, hes arguably the best player in the PL, hes everything Rashford isn't basically.
This is just Rashford hate isn’t it? How do you know he was t given licence by Emery to stay up the pitch? I’ll answer for you. You don’t.
Brontebilly often claims to be ITK on Unai’s inner thoughts.
It’s basically BS and shows a complete lack of understanding at a professional level compared to Football Manager.
Oh I know.
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BBC gossip, citing a Spanish source, saying that Barca have made Diaz from Liverpool their priority signing for the summer. Don't know how that would impact on Rashford's dream move, but it's interesting.
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He's a level above what we have had on that left wing. The quickness of feet mind and body when he's given the ball is brilliant , sends defenders spinning. Absolutely top level player .
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I am happy with him trying to play his way back into form rather than us potentially crippling ourselves with permanent millstone financially around our neck.
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I love his direct running, he moves forwards and takes risks and takes players on. He can be hit and miss with his decision making but I really like him. I was wrong, if he's not up to speed now, then in another few weeks he is going to be awesome. Let's sign him.
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He stagnated at Manure. Mostly down to a succession of crap Manager appointments at Old Trafford. Worst of all is probably Amorim, who isn't good enough for the Premier League.
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Amorim's showing himself right up. Wedding himself to a dysfunctional system because he wants to be seen as an innovator. He's Gerrard with a tan.
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A fair few of their fans seem to be hoping Amorim goes before the summer and Rashford can just come back to them and be the player he is for us. I suppose it's possible, but the manager wasn't the only one giving Rashford a reason to leave.
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Seeing the slow motion replay of the first goal I think that is a world class assist from Rashford, he was shaping to shoot but the touch from Gusto meant he had to readjust in the blink of an eye and poke it with his studs back across goal. Usually it would be the other way around where the attacker would have a bad touch and only on the replay would you see why.
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A fair few of their fans seem to be hoping Amorim goes before the summer and Rashford can just come back to them and be the player he is for us. I suppose it's possible, but the manager wasn't the only one giving Rashford a reason to leave.
All Rashford needed was to be surrounded by good players.
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A fair few of their fans seem to be hoping Amorim goes before the summer and Rashford can just come back to them and be the player he is for us. I suppose it's possible, but the manager wasn't the only one giving Rashford a reason to leave.
All Rashford needed was to be surrounded by good players.
t would appear that simple wouldn't it. Fantastic loan signing.
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Good coaching, man management and a positive enviroment can't be underestimated. We have that, meanwhile ManU are closer to being us at the tail end of Gerrard.
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Good coaching, man management and a positive enviroment can't be underestimated. We have that, meanwhile ManU are closer to being us at the tail end of Gerrard.
Difference is it’s embedded in the club culture there rather than just being linked to the manager.
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I don't like Ronaldo and try my best to ignore his existence, but... be said a lot of things when he left them the second time, and he was right about them all.
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Amorim has come in, it looks a joyless club to play for, they look badly coached, players are being chucked under a bus and their players are better than being 15th. That's why it's like Gerrard for me.
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It is, but that was happening pre-him as well.
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They were winning trophies and not their heading for their lowest finish for 50 years.
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Maybe so, but it’s pretty revisionist to suggest that the wheels have all fallen off and the rot has set in because of Amorim. He’s part of it and has not helped himself, but there are underlying cultural issues at play.
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Maybe so, but it’s pretty revisionist to suggest that the wheels have all fallen off and the rot has set in because of Amorim. He’s part of it and has not helped himself, but there are underlying cultural issues at play.
I think it's probably both. Amorim has ostracised their best player (who now plays for us, thanks for that) and has made them worse than under Ten Hag, which is something. Yes, the cultural stuff I'm sure is under the surface, but you can't call Amorim anything other than an abject failure so far. I wanted their game yesterday and until Everton ran out of steam and Pickford decided to leave the goal open for the Fernandez free kick, they looked like a team who were already relegated. Which, obviously, can't go on long enough.
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There's no maybe about it. They won trophies the last 2 seasons and 15th would be their worst finish since relegation. And i've never said they didn't have issues before, but Rashford left a badly coached side, was thrown under the bus by the manager, and they are still comically shit. Meanwhile in a better enviroment he appears to be thriving. Much as our squad did as soon Gerrard was fucked off. Which was my point, a positive enviroment and good coaching makes a massive difference to a player. We saw that with Gerrard, and we're seeing it with Rashford and other players that left.
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Yeah they've been rotten for ages, but Amorim is, as said earlier, Gerrard with a tan, it's almost a join-the-dots replica of his time, the unsuitable system, shit football and results, player 'management, the lot.
It's fucking brilliant, isn't it?
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Yeah they've been rotten for ages, but Amorim is, as said earlier, Gerrard with a tan, it's almost a join-the-dots replica of his time, the unsuitable system, shit football and results, player 'management, the lot.
It's fucking brilliant, isn't it?
Success with Sporting surely out ranks success with Sevco?
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Yeah they've been rotten for ages, but Amorim is, as said earlier, Gerrard with a tan, it's almost a join-the-dots replica of his time, the unsuitable system, shit football and results, player 'management, the lot.
It's fucking brilliant, isn't it?
Success with Sporting surely out ranks success with Sevco?
I would agree but it's still a gulf in class and lack of experience leading to the same outcomes.
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Emery came in to a team lacking in self belief and apparent quality, looked at the players and picked a system to get early results whilst instilling self belief and coaching they hadn't come across before. That meant Mings cut out his mistakes and marked the one area, not all over the pitch and Watkins didn't keep on pulling wide of goal but stayed within the width of the goal box. We end up qualifying for European competition.
Amorim comes in to a team lacking self belief, but should have quality, looked at the players and started trying to get them into a system he knows but they don't, then rubbished the club, team and individual players.
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Has Rashford said that Barca is his "dream move"? We just had 3 pages of don't believe the media BS and are still spouting the same. Just let him play his football, that's probably all he wants, too, after the media circus surrounding his Old Trafford departure. He'd be an excellent signing on his current form.
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For Manchester United, it was yet another day during which their troubles were exposed. For Marcus Rashford, it was the polar opposite.
Rashford, who joined United at the age of seven and for so long was an instrumental player for the club, found himself frozen out under new manager Ruben Amorim.
So he went on loan to Aston Villa - and, on Saturday, he shone.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx2gd810143o
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If it is true that five managers at Yanited struggled with his discipline, motivation or whatever, I'd be wary about wanting to sign him based on a couple of games. Yes, they are a circus of a club but if Maguire and Bruno have shown him up as how senior players should lead, it's not great.
Who's to say he won't revert to type after the novelty of being wanted by another club and playing every game wears off? It's a massive salary outlay and we're already fucked by UEFA's revenue-wages ratio. I'd want assurances that he won't start acting the twat and getting pissed in Belfast nightclubs if we were to commit to four more years.
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Rashford’s heading back to Old Trafford.
Apparently he's needed to run the free meals scheme for staff.
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Rashford’s heading back to Old Trafford.
Apparently he's needed to run the free meals scheme for staff.
Are there any staff left to feed?
A billion in debt and they sack the dinner ladies.
Implosion could not happen to better club
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Rest assured, Offshore Jim and his acolytes/Ineos hatchet team will still be spending big.
It would be pretty amusing if the "minions" went on strike for the next home game in solidarity with those who've been given the boot.
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From The Athletic
IS RASHFORD ON THE RIGHT PATH?
There’s a lot of narrative around Marcus Rashford.
When things were going wrong at Manchester United, the story was about his decline, about the kid who was the future once but, for reasons too varied and nuanced to boil down into responsible talking points, had become persona non grata at Old Trafford.
Now, having moved to Aston Villa on loan, the story is revival, rejuvenation, a change is as good as a rest, that maybe a new environment would breathe new life into a career that was going off the rails.
As such, it’s been tempting to lean into whichever narrative you prefer, and to over-emphasise any incident that supports whatever point of view you take.
Rashford has only made four appearances for Aston Villa since joining them on loan in January, 181 minutes on the pitch in which he hasn’t yet scored a goal, a sample size far too small to draw significant conclusions. If you are using that as proof that he is ‘back’, however you want to define that, then you have drunk too much from the narrative cup.
But it is at least nice to see him playing football again, to see him as part of a decent football team and away from United. Whatever the reasons for his decline, it’s clear he needed to get out of his boyhood club.
It was incredibly sad to watch, to remember how good he once was and see a facsimile of Rashford play more and more listlessly and be shifted more and more to the periphery.
He registered two assists in Aston Villa’s win over Chelsea, prodding across the penalty area twice for Marco Asensio to score two goals. You can’t necessarily credit him with carving open the Chelsea defence and creating two chances from nothing, particularly the second which owed more to suspect goalkeeping than brilliant forward play.
But he looked like some of his vigour had returned. Every time he got the ball in that wide-left channel, you shifted a little further forward in your seat. You could hear the anticipation in the crowd. When he did that in the low points at United, you flinched slightly and hoped he didn’t embarrass himself.
Here he was quick, dynamic, direct. He was even tracking back and helping out his defence, something that was a key source of frustration at United.
His team-mates seem to enjoy having him around, too. “Every time he got the ball he was dangerous,” Youri Tielemans told Sky Sports after the game.
“Marcus is someone who can threaten everyone one-versus-one and even one-versus-two. He is very important for us in the way he plays because he gives us something different on the left-hand side.”
Rashford is not yet “back”. But, at the very least, it’s encouraging that he seems to be on the right path.
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Who wrote that, was it their Yanited correspondent? Doesn't seem nuanced enough to be Tanswell.
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Who wrote that, was it their Yanited correspondent? Doesn't seem nuanced enough to be Tanswell.
indeed. Also, not enough data. :D
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Who wrote that, was it their Yanited correspondent? Doesn't seem nuanced enough to be Tanswell.
indeed. Also, not enough data. :D
Also, dumb. He claims the second chance owed more to poor goalkeeping than to Rashford's attacking skill. The goal owed something to a keeping error, but you can't use that error to diss the assist.
It's just another story that was only written because it's Marcus Rashford: a blurring of the boundaries between sport journalism and celebrity journalism.
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“Prodding” the ball across for the two assists, tells you all you need to know about which narrative this journalist prefers.
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I bet he's bored of reading about himself.
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The article seems to basically be saying "it's too early to judge whether he's back", which is fair enough, but begs the question of why bother writing the article at this point, then.
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The article seems to basically be saying "it's too early to judge whether he's back", which is fair enough, but begs the question of why bother writing the article at this point, then.
I guess to (a) counter the narrative from the weekend that two assists against Chelsea means that he is "back" and (b) because a sports journalist doesn't really have the luxury of saying "well, nothing to really write about today so we'll just not bother updating this website that people pay us to read".
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It appears to be part of a round up of the weeks "biggest questions" along with "Did we ever think the title race would be this… undramatic?" and "What’s wrong with Palmer?" by whoever Nick Miller is.
In the latter about Cole, he came up with this gem after rubbishing Rashford's assists. "He also hasn’t registered an assist since December 1, 15 games ago. Again, very concerning on the face of things, but assists are a tricky thing because they rely on others doing their jobs."
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I reckon there are probably other things he could have written about. Look forward to today's Rashford update. "He probably attended training, might have got on a coach".
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"There's a lot of narrative around Marcus Rashford; based on two-tenths of sod all but all of it leaning on cherry-picked evidence. Here's some more."
At best it's writer tries to be clever. Say people see what they want to justify their position then do the same, with the smug fallback of "see what I did there" if anyone criticises.
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Pity the narrative isn't something like this...
Bright start since signing - adds something to Villa, and looks to be enjoying his football.
Clearly getting match fitness back and has to work in Emery's system - where there are no passengers...
The door is very much open for him to kick-start his career at a well-run, big club.
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Its a bit like that old quote attributed to the Chinese leader in the 70s about the success of French revolution - it's too early to say.
We are going to need exceptional performances from our attacking players tonight to get a result at Palace, might suit Rashford if we are sitting in a bit and he gets a chance to break on them.
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Pity the narrative isn't something like this...
Bright start since signing - adds something to Villa, and looks to be enjoying his football.
Clearly getting match fitness back and has to work in Emery's system - where there are no passengers...
The door is very much open for him to kick-start his career at a well-run, big club.
For pretty much everyone but Man Utd fans and weird right-wingers still angry about 2020, it is, isn't it?
But if you're a Man Utd fan, then obviously the narrative isn't going to be the above, it's going to be through the lens of what it means about Man Utd.
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I’d rather like this one to be the 0-6 goal fest we haven’t had for some time.
It’s way overdue and would start young Marcus’ scoring off a treat.
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Its a bit like that old quote attributed to the Chinese leader in the 70s about the success of French revolution - it's too early to say.
And while it's a nice quote, it's often forgotten that Zhou Enlai thought that Kissinger was asking him about the 1968 Paris uprisings which had happened three years earlier, rather than it being a piece of wise philosophising on the nature of history.
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Ah, boo. Didn't know that.
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Yeah, I was disappointed to learn it too.
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Amorims treatment of him i feel was worse than Gerrards to Mings.
My initial fear about him signing was this - that all the narrative was to be about them and how his move affected them.
When really the story was "Former star returning to form thanks to the superb coaching and man management of SUE"
I only want to hear about how his performances are embellishing our team not theirs
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My initial fear about him signing was this - that all the narrative was to be about them and how his move affected them.
No it wasn't.
Your initial fears (https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=65643.msg4769608#msg4769608) were his "lifestyle and usual entourage", "the horror of his loan deal", that "his shit attitude rubs off on some of our younger players", that he'd "come with a chip on thier shoulder acting like they are doing us the favour" and that you really hoped we wouldn't have to find out how he might perform for us.
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That is a blow. I thought Zhou was a wise old bastard.
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My initial fear about him signing was this - that all the narrative was to be about them and how his move affected them.
No it wasn't.
Your initial fears (https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=65643.msg4769608#msg4769608) were his "lifestyle and usual entourage", "the horror of his loan deal", that "his shit attitude rubs off on some of our younger players", that he'd "come with a chip on thier shoulder acting like they are doing us the favour" and that you really hoped we wouldn't have to find out how he might perform for us.
Thanks for stalking me - appreciated that you care that much.
To be honest that could of been attached to anyone of their players as i feel they are all the same but he was portrayed as being the pantomime villain in the fall of the Redfilth.
I admit that my fears were not proved correct and i have been very pleasantly a surprised by his attitude and application whilst with us.
I am still not happy with all the talk about him is linked to them rather than how great a coach Emery is to have gotten his mojo back in less than a month. The media are still peddling that Amorim was ok to hang him out to dry - its appalling really.
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And his big nose.
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The media are still peddling that Amorim was ok to hang him out to dry - its appalling really.
Where? Perhaps we read different things, but I can honestly say I've not seen anyone say this.
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It’s really not stalking, it’s public domain.
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It’s really not stalking, it’s public domain.
By the way, how is Minnie? I saw her pop out through the skirting board the other day.
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Amorims treatment of him i feel was worse than Gerrards to Mings.
My initial fear about him signing was this - that all the narrative was to be about them and how his move affected them.
When really the story was "Former star returning to form thanks to the superb coaching and man management of SUE"
I only want to hear about how his performances are embellishing our team not theirs
Amorim wanted him gone at all costs, that's true, after he gave him a chance to start with. But Amorim, EtH, OGS, Rangnick all had issues with him that weren't solely tactical. Rashford wasn't doing the basics on or off the pitch hence why he had to eventually leave.
I don't think it's remotely comparable to Gerrards "look me in the eye" nonsense with Mings. Mings was always seen as a model pro on and off the pitch, Gerrard didn't rate him fair enough and brought Carlos in to replace him. But when you make tactical decisions like that, you can't leave the senior player stewing on the bench. 2 games in he had to bring him back in, don't think that was ever going to work. Gerrards ego had most of our players downing tools by the end, not just one player.
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The club wanted him out because of his contract. That's it.
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The club wanted him out because of his contract. That's it.
I think you're right and that Amorim was told the brief and followed it.
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The club wanted him out because of his contract. That's it.
I think you're right and that Amorim was told the brief and followed it.
Paul Lambert and the bomb squad, with a tan.
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And his big nose.
Which is really not contestable, Just like Benteke had little ears, Rooney is fat and Fergiscum has a big red nose, Sideshow Bob at Chelsea has ridiculous hair and Asensio is a sex god.
Not sure what the problem is really as none of that is made up?
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The club wanted him out because of his contract. That's it.
I think you're right and that Amorim was told the brief and followed it.
That is probably more the case but to state publically that he would pick a 63 year old goalkeeping coach over Rashford seems like a deliberate action to belittle him. I would also image that the constant media questioning over only Rashford when the whole of their team was gash he probably found galling so removed the root cause.
How has that gone for him?
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I saw Man U fans asking after our win at Chelsea, "how come our 65 year old goalkeeping coach can't get an assist like that?"
I suppose they need a sense of humour these days.
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I was in shock last night with the speed of Rashford, it was like a scene from Forrest Gump, he just ran past everybody, amazing acceleration, almost comical. Unfortunately he ran out of pitch and it came to nothing but had me thinking has the ever been a Villa player (even on loan) that fast?
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Daley was rapid
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Tony Daley was ridiculously fast. And it usually ended with a goal.
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Daley, Gabby, Kyle Walker were all fast but it was like Rashford was fast then he turned on his turbo changers. The fact he also did it with the ball was most impressive.
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Daley was very fast, but also at a time when pure pace wasn't all that common, so he often looked faster because the players around him weren't particularly quick. Vassell and Gabby were also both rapid when they got going.
Rashford is also very quick, and I didn't realise that until 2020, he had the fastest speed ever recorded in a premier league match (36.3km an hour). I do think speed over 5-10 yards is probably more important in the modern game than what speed you can reach given half a pitch to run into, and Malen looks properly rapid over that distance.
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Best acceleration I have seen live was Adama Traore at Selhurst Park in august 2015. He just pushed the ball 10 metres past the full back and ran. I thought he’d over hit the ball but he got there with ease, moved inside and fired a shot / cross which ended up in the net.
It was right in front of us as we were in row 1 and there was no skill involved, just pure pace. It was Selhurst Park so we lost of course.
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If we're talking about pace, Julian Joachim should get a mention.
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Jules ruled. Was playing til he was nearly 50. Dunno how his pace was at that point, mind.
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If he hasn't slowed down a lot, he's not human.
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The clubs occasionally publish their lists of fastest players tested, when we came up ours was Bjorn Engels.
Which raised an eyebrow.
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Yes, he never seemed that swift across the pitch.
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c0kjykv4z78o
The BBC did a list of every PL clubs fastest player a few months ago.
Jaden Philogene was ours, Donyell Malen is the fastest now.
Cameron Archer was Southamptons fastest player
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I never thought Kayden was particularly quick.
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Marcus wants to stay apparently.
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Cameron Archer was Southamptons fastest player
Especially across water, on which, we all know, he walks.
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Article in the Sun and mentioned on BBC football gossip page ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c62kk7rqxd3o )
FROM DEVIL TO VILLAN
MARCUS RASHFORD is prepared to turn his January loan move to Aston Villa into a permanent deal.
Rashford’s fall-out with Ruben Amorim saw him exiled to the United margins despite scoring the first goal of the Portuguese manager’s Old Trafford reign.
But Rashford, 27, has told pals he feels revitalised at Villa Park.
And the striker, desperate to reclaim his spot in the England squad under new Three Lions chief Thomas Tuchel, believes that Unai Emery is the perfect manager to resurrect his Premier League and international career.
While Rashford is still looking to open his scoring account for Villa, he was credited with two assists in the comeback win over Chelsea.
He has also impressed his team-mates, his new manager and Villa’s fans since his arrival in the West Midlands.
That has been reiterated by Rashford’s strong commitment on the training ground - one of the areas of his game which was questioned during his time at Old Trafford.
While Amorim refused to be drawn on whether Rashford might have a future at the Red Devils when he was asked earlier this month, United have strongly hinted he is unlikely to return to the fold while the former Sporting boss remains in charge.
Rashford has been linked with a number of moves abroad, with European giants Barcelona and PSG heading a list including clubs in Italy, Germany and Saudi Arabia all monitoring his form ahead of the summer window.
But Rashford is veering towards the idea of remaining in England and in the Premier League rather than relocating overseas.
Rashford’s international ambitions have been rekindled since the appointment of Tuchel, with the striker - who has scored 17 goals in 60 appearances for his country but has been out of the frame for 12 months - out to catch the eye of the German.
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Well if true, thats one barrier out of the way, I still think another, bigger one, will be his wages.
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Surely we learned that he was "prepared to join us permanently" when everyone agreed on an option for us to sign him permanently this time last month?
If he wasn't open to it, that option doesn't exist.
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It’s just filler.
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Filler on the Villa.
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We cant afford him. Those wages wont work for us with FFP
Its all on if he is able to take a significant pay cut.
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Quite likely this will be decided more by whether we get CL next season. Both in financial terms, and in terms of us being an attractive club for players of a certain standard.
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We cant afford him. Those wages wont work for us with FFP
Its all on if he is able to take a significant pay cut.
Or the transfer fee includes compensation to offset the wage cut.✂️
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We cant afford him. Those wages wont work for us with FFP
Its all on if he is able to take a significant pay cut.
Or the transfer fee includes compensation to offset the wage cut.✂️
That will be good if we can negotiate that. I personally would be cautious of the length of the contract. We dont want to get burned on this.
I think a 3 year contract taking him to 30 with a 1 year further option would be sensible
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I’d imagine he knows Villa won’t be able to match his Man Utd wages (Man Utd can’t, after all). If he gets his contract paid up I’m sure he’ll be able to cope on £150k per week.
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For £40m, I would want 2 x 1-year options if offering that sort of contract.
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£40m is a bargain price for someone of his experience and pedigree. There are also multiple ways to change salary etc. Wages, Signing on fees, bonuses, etc. that can make the actually weekly wage lower but the overall remuneration stay the same.
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Well if true, thats one barrier out of the way, I still think another, bigger one, will be his wages.
Would it help if we adopted an East 17 song as his anthem?
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Since his Aston Villa debut on 9 February, Marcus Rashford has created more chances in all competitions than any other Premier League player (13).
All three of his assists for Villa have been for Marco Asensio.
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Needs a goal, maybe would have got one yesterday if he'd have stayed on, I know he'd got to the end of the tank but I thought another 10 mins would have got him a goal.
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A bit meh last night I thought.
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I thought he played well against cardiff.
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The important parts he does are influencing games / results.
Loan is great . Signing permanently it's a huge risk , see Coutinho .
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My only doubt, if I'd even call it that, would be how he'd react to not necessarily playing all the time? It works for him now as be hasn't played properly for a few months and he's building up his match fitness. I'm sure he'll be happy doing it for the rest of the season for us. But next season is he going to want to be getting 90 minutes every week?
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I think at the end of the season depending on how well he has done if his other options are Barcelona or any of the other European giants that’s where he’ll want go
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I think there will be more to it than just the name of a team. He knows the intense, often unbearable scrutiny that comes with playing for a big team. He might just want to play for a club that actually gives a fuck about him.
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One thing that stood out to me on Friday was how his speed of thought translates seamlessly into speed of action. He moves the ball so quickly and accurately. It's what makes him a class above many other damn fine players. Regardless of what happens with him long term, I hope this is the calibre of player we're able to get (FFP allowing) from now on. Yet more reason to be cheerful.
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He might win the Champions League with us, think he might want to stay if that were to happen.
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One thing that stood out to me on Friday was how his speed of thought translates seamlessly into speed of action. He moves the ball so quickly and accurately. It's what makes him a class above many other damn fine players. Regardless of what happens with him long term, I hope this is the calibre of player we're able to get (FFP allowing) from now on. Yet more reason to be cheerful.
I was also quite impressed with the amount of whip he gets on his crosses, albeit a bit rusty in terms of accuracy. That and his willingness to take on players will really add another dimension to our attacking play.
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Several times I’ve been impressed with that ability he has to feint to go one way then accelerate past the defender into bags of space.
Regardless of the debate around buy him or don’t buy him, he’s clearly a supremely talented player.
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Several times I’ve been impressed with that ability he has to feint to go one way then accelerate past the defender into bags of space.
Regardless of the debate around buy him or don’t buy him, he’s clearly a supremely talented player.
Yeah, it's what is setting him apart from Bailey, for instance. There isn't any indecision. I'm going to try and skin him and what will be will be. Not then stopping and getting crowded out.
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I'd love to see him get a goal on Tuesday. One of the few things the still disgruntled Man U fans have to throw at him is the idea that he goes missing in big games. Oh, we could all look good against Cardiff, he won't do it when it matters. The opposition might not be considered "big" but the occasion is arguably one of the biggest we've had at the club for a long time. I hope he shuts the last of them up this week.
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I'd love to see him get a goal on Tuesday. One of the few things the still disgruntled Man U fans have to throw at him is the idea that he goes missing in big games. Oh, we could all look good against Cardiff, he won't do it when it matters. The opposition might not be considered "big" but the occasion is arguably one of the biggest we've had at the club for a long time. I hope he shuts the last of them up this week.
I couldn’t give a flying fuck what they say, all I care about is how he plays for The Villa.
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Manure being out, means that Rashford us hopefully available for all FA Cup games we have left too.
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Manure being out, means that Rashford us hopefully available for all FA Cup games we have left too.
He will be now. No question
Hoping malen gets some game time too. He has looked good when he has featured
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My only doubt, if I'd even call it that, would be how he'd react to not necessarily playing all the time? It works for him now as be hasn't played properly for a few months and he's building up his match fitness. I'm sure he'll be happy doing it for the rest of the season for us. But next season is he going to want to be getting 90 minutes every week?
If he continues playing the way he has then there's no reason for him not to play. He's making himself first choice.
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My only doubt, if I'd even call it that, would be how he'd react to not necessarily playing all the time? It works for him now as be hasn't played properly for a few months and he's building up his match fitness. I'm sure he'll be happy doing it for the rest of the season for us. But next season is he going to want to be getting 90 minutes every week?
If he continues playing the way he has then there's no reason for him not to play. He's making himself first choice.
I was thinking more of how Emery likes to rotate and if we weren't so bad with injuries lately, there would be a couple of players not getting as much time as they are. I take your point though, at his best he should be one of the first on the team sheet.
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I thought he was trying too hard on Friday but as soon as he gets his first he will score a good few i think.
Hope he is saving them for Cite£ away - as he loves scoring against them dogs
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Thinking back to all that "we shouldn't sign him, he's obviously trouble" stuff from before he signed this (https://www.football365.com/news/man-
utd-laugh-face-rashford-slam-mediawatch) nicely dissects that sort of bullshit that bleeds into the narrative.
The media has long been invested in Marcus Rashford being trouble. That equals clicks. So we know why the Express have pulled this nefarious bollocks, but it does not make it any more excusable.
With Rashford playing in the Champions League with Aston Villa tonight and crisis eternally swirling around Manchester United, the time is now for gossip about the boy grown-assed man.
Which is how we get here…
‘Man Utd proven right about Marcus Rashford as Aston Villa dressing room view emerges’
Obviously what you are supposed to think is that Rashford has been a) lazy, b) a c*** or hopefully c) a lazy c***, thus proving Manchester United ‘right’ to send him out on loan.
The problem? Well apart from ‘literally everything’, is that Rashford has been neither a) nor b) and so very obviously not c). In fact, as John McGinn has said, Rashford and fellow new signing Marco Asensio are “good guys who are hungry to succeed, and they’ve worked hard”.
And that’s the ‘dressing-room view’ (we had to insert the hyphen, it was making us itch) that has ’emerged’.
So how to spin that as ‘proving Man Utd right’? Not that it matters once you have clicked, obviously.
‘Rashford’s early success at Villa Park proves the Red Devils right for backing his quality when committing to a new five-year contract in 2023, a decision for which they’ve been slammed.’
Sorry what? The best story you can muster is that Manchester United have been proved right in giving Rashford a £320,000-a-week contract almost two years ago because he is “hungry to succeed” while on loan at Aston Villa?
But never mind the reasoning, count the clicks.
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Thinking back to all that "we shouldn't sign him, he's obviously trouble" stuff from before he signed this (https://www.football365.com/news/man-
utd-laugh-face-rashford-slam-mediawatch) nicely dissects that sort of bullshit that bleeds into the narrative.
The media has long been invested in Marcus Rashford being trouble. That equals clicks. So we know why the Express have pulled this nefarious bollocks, but it does not make it any more excusable.
With Rashford playing in the Champions League with Aston Villa tonight and crisis eternally swirling around Manchester United, the time is now for gossip about the boy grown-assed man.
Which is how we get here…
‘Man Utd proven right about Marcus Rashford as Aston Villa dressing room view emerges’
Obviously what you are supposed to think is that Rashford has been a) lazy, b) a c*** or hopefully c) a lazy c***, thus proving Manchester United ‘right’ to send him out on loan.
The problem? Well apart from ‘literally everything’, is that Rashford has been neither a) nor b) and so very obviously not c). In fact, as John McGinn has said, Rashford and fellow new signing Marco Asensio are “good guys who are hungry to succeed, and they’ve worked hard”.
And that’s the ‘dressing-room view’ (we had to insert the hyphen, it was making us itch) that has ’emerged’.
So how to spin that as ‘proving Man Utd right’? Not that it matters once you have clicked, obviously.
‘Rashford’s early success at Villa Park proves the Red Devils right for backing his quality when committing to a new five-year contract in 2023, a decision for which they’ve been slammed.’
Sorry what? The best story you can muster is that Manchester United have been proved right in giving Rashford a £320,000-a-week contract almost two years ago because he is “hungry to succeed” while on loan at Aston Villa?
But never mind the reasoning, count the clicks.
You always find the really good, eloquent pieces on that site and whenever I go on there it's just endless drivel about Man Utd or Liverpool that's not too far removed from what is being criticised here.
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Vs Brentford: 2 goals and one assist in 6 games against them.
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Good Luck to Rashy tonight .
Bumped in anticipation.
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He made such a great run wheee Martinez picked him out and Sabe had to foul him to stop Rashy getting through on goal.
Did really well with the assist and I think it’s good he was given the whole 90mins .
The one thing everyone wanting is a goal but he’s contributing to the team very well.
Well here’s some good omen:
the two times Rashy has played at Parc de Princes he scored both times
And till there is a PSG thread I’ll just mention his goals record is 3 goals in 4 games vs PSG
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I was willing him to score last night it will come.
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I was willing him to score last night it will come.
It will mate, but I was even happier with the assist for Asensio because a player in it for himself would have shot at goal. It said everything good that he stuck it on plate for his teammate instead.
The goals will come, he works hard, makes countless chances and is an absolute threat on the break.
On what we've seen so far alone I'd absolutely be trying to make it permanent.
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Absolutely. I’d be doing everything possible to keep him and Asensio.
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I was willing him to score last night it will come.
It will mate, but I was even happier with the assist for Asensio because a player in it for himself would have shot at goal. It said everything good that he stuck it on plate for his teammate instead.
The goals will come, he works hard, makes countless chances and is an absolute threat on the break.
On what we've seen so far alone I'd absolutely be trying to make it permanent.
Yep, I think that got missed a bit on the night, but the position he was in when he passed to Asensio for his second goal, would have seen 90% of forwards shoot.
I thought he did everything but score last night. Obviously he got that assist, but his take of the through ball on the edge of the box for the Maatsen goal was filthy. Plus, he was the reason they were down to 10 for most of the game.
He played very well. I'm sure he'll score soon enough, but even if he doesn't, I really don't care as long as he keeps being involved heavily in our goals at the rate that he is.
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I was willing him to score last night it will come.
It will mate, but I was even happier with the assist for Asensio because a player in it for himself would have shot at goal. It said everything good that he stuck it on plate for his teammate instead.
The goals will come, he works hard, makes countless chances and is an absolute threat on the break.
On what we've seen so far alone I'd absolutely be trying to make it permanent.
Credit to Luke Walker on Twitter for the stats. But 4 assists in 461 mins is not bad anyway. And he has been unlucky for some of his shots. Obviously Asensio's goal scoring is overshadowing his loan.
Goals Contributions all comps #avfc
G=Goals, A=Assists
Watkins 26 (14G, 12A)
Rogers 19 (12G, 7A)
Tielemans 9 (3G 6A)
Ramsey 8 (3G, 5A)
Asensio 7 (7G)
McGinn 6 (2G 4A)
Bailey 6 (2G 4A)
Barkley 5 (4G 1A)
Digne 5 (5A)
Onana 4 (4G)
Rashford 4 (4A)
Maatsen 2 (1G 1A)
Cash 2 (1G 1A)
Konsa 1 (1G)
Torres 1 (1A)
Mings 1 (1A)
Left club
Duran 12 (12G)*
Buendia 1 (1G)
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I was willing him to score last night it will come.
It will mate, but I was even happier with the assist for Asensio because a player in it for himself would have shot at goal. It said everything good that he stuck it on plate for his teammate instead.
The goals will come, he works hard, makes countless chances and is an absolute threat on the break.
On what we've seen so far alone I'd absolutely be trying to make it permanent.
Yep, I think that got missed a bit on the night, but the position he was in when he passed to Asensio for his second goal, would have seen 90% of forwards shoot.
I thought he did everything but score last night. Obviously he got that assist, but his take of the through ball on the edge of the box for the Maatsen goal was filthy. Plus, he was the reason they were down to 10 for most of the game.
He played very well. I'm sure he'll score soon enough, but even if he doesn't, I really don't care as long as he keeps being involved heavily in our goals at the rate that he is.
Bit harsh on Martinez. If that had been Ederson we wouldn't have heard the end of it.
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Loving what we're seeing so far. He's just such a threat and working hard for the team.
Him and Asensio have improved us a lot.
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Once he breaks his duck ......
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Thought he was great second half last night. Even in first half his pace got the red card.
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It will mate, but I was even happier with the assist for Asensio because a player in it for himself would have shot at goal. It said everything good that he stuck it on plate for his teammate instead.
I liked the way he delayed the pass just for a split second to draw the defenders in further, before laying it off to Marco.
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Plays for Villa, back in England squad. That’s an inverse of historical norms.
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Plays for Villa, back in England squad. That’s an inverse of historical norms.
I think it's more a case of "move to Villa to get INTO the England squad"
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He's with a big club now so bound to get noticed. As Roy Keane said "you can't compare Man Utd with Aston Villa" larf.
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That is great for him and for us (so long as he doesn't get injured) as it will help boost his confidence even more. It's also great because it will annoy Man Utd fans.
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More importantly, will it count towards our tally of England internationals if he plays?
I assume so, and we'll add another when Morgan gets his first cap.
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More importantly, will it count towards our tally of England internationals if he plays?
I assume so, and we'll add another when Morgan gets his first cap.
Morgan has two caps.
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More importantly, will it count towards our tally of England internationals if he plays?
I assume so, and we'll add another when Morgan gets his first cap.
Didn't that happen last year?
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More importantly, will it count towards our tally of England internationals if he plays?
I assume so, and we'll add another when Morgan gets his first cap.
Morgan has two caps.
For some reason, I'd thought he'd only been called up so far. Oh well.
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BBC have his listing as Marcus Rashford (Aston Villa, on loan from ManU). Do they usually do that?
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I guess so
Kyle Walker (AC Milan, loan from Manchester City)
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As much as i was very sceptical to begin with, i have really enjoyed seeing him return to form within a proper team with a top top quality manager coaching him.
Although i do think the return to the England fold is a little premature and more for the tabloids to write about than on actual current form. I am all for anything that makes the Redfilth look stupid.
I mean that left wide berth should really have been for Hudson Adoi who has been brilliant so far this season.
And how the F*ck does Henderson get in above Morgan Gibbs White :o
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Although i do think the return to the England fold is a little premature and more for the tabloids to write about than on actual current form. I am all for anything that makes the Redfilth look stupid.
I mean that left wide berth should really have been for Hudson Adoi who has been brilliant so far this season.
Also hard to argue that Rashford deserves it over Gittens, who has been one of the few bright points for Dortmund this season.
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"He has had a huge impact lately for Aston Villa. I was delighted to see his effort against the ball, his effort to be the best team-mate possible, his consistent energy in defence with Aston Villa.
"There is no doubt about his talent and quality but to see him be so decisive and so involved physically gave me the impression it was the right moment to call him up and give him the extra push that he stays on that level."
I like this Tuchel guy.
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Interested to see what scoring would do for him. Whether it leads to him scoring a glut of goals and whether it takes his performances to another level. We could really do with the post World Cup Rashford, then exercising the opt-in becomes a no-brainer.
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Well deserved. He just needed to play for a big club to get back in the international reckoning.
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Shows its the club not the players
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As much as i was very sceptical to begin with, i have really enjoyed seeing him return to form within a proper team with a top top quality manager coaching him.
Although i do think the return to the England fold is a little premature and more for the tabloids to write about than on actual current form. I am all for anything that makes the Redfilth look stupid.
I mean that left wide berth should really have been for Hudson Adoi who has been brilliant so far this season.
And how the F*ck does Henderson get in above Morgan Gibbs White :o
Sceptical?!
🚨🟣🔵 Unai Emery has given the green light to Aston Villa board to try advance on Marcus Rashford loan deal.
Expensive and difficult one but Villa have already approached Marcus’ camp, strong interest…
…and negotiations ongoing.
I really would not want that big nosed waster any where near this group of young players. There are so many rumours circulating about the baggage he carries that it could upset everything. Why should anyone help them off load a "trouble" player
If I take my hatred for anything to do with them out of it, if I ignore the rumours I have heard about his lifestyle and usual entourage (from a local guy in Wythenshawe who is big red fan) away from it. If I remove the horror of his loan deal, that it would "only" be 50% of his current £326k per week, would mean he is our biggest earner. And if I take away the distinct possibility his shit attitude rubs off on some of our younger players. Any of thier players will come with a chip on thier shoulder acting like they are doing us the favour.
Then with SUE there is a chance it might work. I still really hope we don't have to find out
I ll just refer to him as an over paid, over rated, waster that cannot be motivated to play for his boyhood club. Strong rumours about his "friends" and lifestyle makes Duran sound like a page boy.
Really hope we are just another club the media are trying to help The red filth get rid.
Romano says the deal is close on Rashford and we are covering his salary. Nightmare!
I've had worse nightmares.
Lazy, doesn’t track back, disruptive in the dressing room, can’t be bothered with training, doesn’t fit our system, selfish, pushes Ramsey to the bench, very very expensive.
Agree with all that. Was very good for a short time but a waster of the highest order.
Not happy with this move at all.
I'm not sure either that Tuchel would name a player in the England squad just so aforementioned player would get written about in a tabloid newspaper.
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There was also the poster who called Asensio and Rashford 'panic buys' and advised that we all wake up.
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There was also the poster who called Asensio and Rashford 'panic buys' and advised that we all wake up.
I think if you'd told even the most optimistic of us that they'd have 11 goal involvements between them by the International break, having combined directly for 4 goals, we'd probably have said you'd been at the happy juice.
Asensio is obviously stealing the headlines (and rightly so), but Rashford has been very impressive in my opinion, and adds a lot to our attacking play, not only with his pace, but his technical ability helps us to break down defences when we're recycling possession around the opposition box.
My only hope is that they both stay fit, and that can somehow perform a financial miracle that allows us to keep them both next season.
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Hope he doesn't get tapped-up by big lads at bigger clubs. Nah...
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There was also the poster who called Asensio and Rashford 'panic buys' and advised that we all wake up.
Then can we panic a bit more please.
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Marcus just needed a bit of Emeryfication...and he has even managed to get back in the England squad, ahead of the 63 year old goalkeeping coach at Man Utd.
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There was also the poster who called Asensio and Rashford 'panic buys' and advised that we all wake up.
Giggles
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There was also the poster who called Asensio and Rashford 'panic buys' and advised that we all wake up.
I’m trying to remember who that was but three regular idiots spring to mind.
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"He has had a huge impact lately for Aston Villa. I was delighted to see his effort against the ball, his effort to be the best team-mate possible, his consistent energy in defence with Aston Villa.
"There is no doubt about his talent and quality but to see him be so decisive and so involved physically gave me the impression it was the right moment to call him up and give him the extra push that he stays on that level."
I like this Tuchel guy.
Fine words indeed. Let's be honest, Rashford would have no chance getting minutes nevermind games if he wasn't prepared to do the donkey work too. Coming into a Villa squad where everybody has the same work ethic has obviously helped too. The evidence is there when you compare his first appearance to where he is now. Delighted that Tuchel echoes the message.
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Personally, I don’t think he’s done enough to get back in the England team
It’s that big club bias again, he’s only picked him because he’s playing for a big club now
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Hopefully he gets a goal. We all know once the rust is off more will follow.
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Personally, I don’t think he’s done enough to get back in the England team
It’s that big club bias again, he’s only picked him because he’s playing for a big club now
4 assists and overall 16 goal scoring chances created in 9 games (3 of which he's only played 20-25mins in) is a pretty good record for a winger.
There's a reasonable argument that he's the top creative player in the league right now.
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Plus he got that bloke sent off to effectively wrap up the tie against Brugge.
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Personally, I don’t think he’s done enough to get back in the England team
It’s that big club bias again, he’s only picked him because he’s playing for a big club now
4 assists and overall 16 goal scoring chances created in 9 games (3 of which he's only played 20-25mins in) is a pretty good record for a winger.
There's a reasonable argument that he's the top creative player in the league right now.
I might be wrong but I think John's post is just a setup for the big club dig.
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Personally, I don’t think he’s done enough to get back in the England team
It’s that big club bias again, he’s only picked him because he’s playing for a big club now
4 assists and overall 16 goal scoring chances created in 9 games (3 of which he's only played 20-25mins in) is a pretty good record for a winger.
There's a reasonable argument that he's the top creative player in the league right now.
I might be wrong but I think John's post is just a setup for the big club dig.
Probably, I just wanted an excuse to post the 2nd line. In Rashford and Asensio we have arguably the best creator and best goalscorer in the league right now.
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As much as i was very sceptical to begin with, i have really enjoyed seeing him return to form within a proper team with a top top quality manager coaching him.
Although i do think the return to the England fold is a little premature and more for the tabloids to write about than on actual current form. I am all for anything that makes the Redfilth look stupid.
I mean that left wide berth should really have been for Hudson Adoi who has been brilliant so far this season.
And how the F*ck does Henderson get in above Morgan Gibbs White :o
Sceptical?!
🚨🟣🔵 Unai Emery has given the green light to Aston Villa board to try advance on Marcus Rashford loan deal.
Expensive and difficult one but Villa have already approached Marcus’ camp, strong interest…
…and negotiations ongoing.
I really would not want that big nosed waster any where near this group of young players. There are so many rumours circulating about the baggage he carries that it could upset everything. Why should anyone help them off load a "trouble" player
If I take my hatred for anything to do with them out of it, if I ignore the rumours I have heard about his lifestyle and usual entourage (from a local guy in Wythenshawe who is big red fan) away from it. If I remove the horror of his loan deal, that it would "only" be 50% of his current £326k per week, would mean he is our biggest earner. And if I take away the distinct possibility his shit attitude rubs off on some of our younger players. Any of thier players will come with a chip on thier shoulder acting like they are doing us the favour.
Then with SUE there is a chance it might work. I still really hope we don't have to find out
I ll just refer to him as an over paid, over rated, waster that cannot be motivated to play for his boyhood club. Strong rumours about his "friends" and lifestyle makes Duran sound like a page boy.
Really hope we are just another club the media are trying to help The red filth get rid.
Romano says the deal is close on Rashford and we are covering his salary. Nightmare!
I've had worse nightmares.
Lazy, doesn’t track back, disruptive in the dressing room, can’t be bothered with training, doesn’t fit our system, selfish, pushes Ramsey to the bench, very very expensive.
Agree with all that. Was very good for a short time but a waster of the highest order.
Not happy with this move at all.
I'm not sure either that Tuchel would name a player in the England squad just so aforementioned player would get written about in a tabloid newspaper.
Wow. If I move the curtains will I spot you...strange.
Shock horror, someone who loathes everything about a certain club, who knows someone who is thought of ITK around said club saying that he genuinely had a lot of issues was worried about him coming into a harmonious club like ours.
One of those quotes you meticulously copied and pasted said also that maybe it could work due to SUE and abit of proper man management. Weeks later and I have stated elsewhere that as I had never really acknowledged how good a player he was, due to aforementioned loathing of certain club, I have been really impressed with his attitude and application as well as his clear ability.
I allowed my general hatred to stop me having an open mind and clearly I was wrong.
Please feel free to let me know when I'm wrong again......I'm sure I will be.
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I do have several theories on this as well but Marcus Rashford is experienced he was at last world cup with Tuchel remit to focus on the World Cup it makes sense to have proven WC tournament players. It’s also a reason why Henderson is selected.
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He's carrying an injury.
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News now reporting (which is laughable in itself) that due to the improvement and call up of Rashford the redfilth want to change the agreed transfer fee we apparently have with them as part of the loan.
I bet they do.
I bet they want all their players to come here on some sort of training camp where they can be coached by Professor Emery to improve them.
Wankers
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The only thing I'm seeing is Football Insider, which is questionable in itself, but it also sounds like they're looking to get more from him if they sell him to someone else. They were apparently willing to listen to any offers for him just to be rid. They're going to try to cash in on him now that he's performing well.
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News now reporting (which is laughable in itself) that due to the improvement and call up of Rashford the redfilth want to change the agreed transfer fee we apparently have with them as part of the loan.
I bet they do.
I bet they want all their players to come here on some sort of training camp where they can be coached by Professor Emery to improve them.
Wankers
Newsnow doesn't report anything, it is a News aggregator service.
The article in question is from SportsMole via Football Insider.
I agree with your sentiment, though.
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I think Man U expected him to crash and burn. I thought he would as well but I'm delighted to be proved wrong.
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I think Man U expected him to crash and burn. I thought he would as well but I'm delighted to be proved wrong.
A few on here did as well. He's been great but a goal will really kick him on.
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If we’ve agreed a sale fee UTD can ask for what they feckin want, it only applies to other clubs that might want to buy him. I’d take him right now at £40m, especially if we can complete Asensio for the reported £15-20m. That’s some world class squad building. You can’t get a good striker in January, and all that.
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I suspect signing him or Assensio will hinge upon CL qualification.
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I think Man U expected him to crash and burn. I thought he would as well but I'm delighted to be proved wrong.
A few on here did as well. He's been great but a goal will really kick him on.
He has 3 goals in 4 vs PSG...
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I think Man U expected him to crash and burn. I thought he would as well but I'm delighted to be proved wrong.
A few on here did as well. He's been great but a goal will really kick him on.
He has 3 goals in 4 vs PSG...
There was talk on Friday (I don't know if Tuchel's actually quoted on it), that Rashford's recall is partly to do with how great Tuchel thought he was when he was PSG manager and Rashford / Man Utd knocked them out a couple of years ago.
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If we’ve agreed a sale fee UTD can ask for what they feckin want, it only applies to other clubs that might want to buy him. I’d take him right now at £40m.....
I asked this question when we signed him. Does the fact they've agreed a price with us, and that price is publicly known, not shoot themselves in the foot a little bit? Between that and Amorim mouthing off about him, it was made clear in January that getting rid of him was their priority. Now he's done well for us and they suddenly want to get more money for him. Obviously we've got a set price, but if we can't buy him, why would other clubs go much above 40mil for him? I'd be offering 40,000,001 for him, and let someone else come in and offer 40,000,002, and so on. Clubs would be mad to be coming in and offering 50 or 60 mil for him.
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Sounds like just the sort of thing a Saudi club would do.
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I reckon what's happened is that we've agreed different prices based on our results while Rashford is with us.
Qualifying for the CL quarter-finals has likely triggered the next agreed fee level, and it's being reported for clicks as Yanited hiking their asking price.
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I reckon what's happened is that we've agreed different prices based on our results while Rashford is with us.
Qualifying for the CL quarter-finals has likely triggered the next agreed fee level, and it's being reported for clicks as Yanited hiking their asking price.
Plausible, as is the fee going up if he's selected for England
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Yup, I reckon that all checks out.
And in all their bad news, a club leak to a friendly journalist of "the fee for Rashford is now bigger" gives them something positive to swing around for a bit.
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If we’ve agreed a sale fee UTD can ask for what they feckin want, it only applies to other clubs that might want to buy him. I’d take him right now at £40m.....
I asked this question when we signed him. Does the fact they've agreed a price with us, and that price is publicly known, not shoot themselves in the foot a little bit? Between that and Amorim mouthing off about him, it was made clear in January that getting rid of him was their priority. Now he's done well for us and they suddenly want to get more money for him. Obviously we've got a set price, but if we can't buy him, why would other clubs go much above 40mil for him? I'd be offering 40,000,001 for him, and let someone else come in and offer 40,000,002, and so on. Clubs would be mad to be coming in and offering 50 or 60 mil for him.
But they're not buying the same goods. He's worth far more now than he was squandering in that dump three months ago.
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^ yes but they've made it clear that him coming back there isn't an option, so unless Amorim is sacked in the summer, they're not in the best place for negotiating a big money price.
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I still don't really get it, as you'd think that the not-central-but-not-stuck-out-on-the-left-wing-either position in Amorim's fabled 3-4-3 would be absolutely perfect for Rashford. It's pretty much his ideal position.
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It's the contract.
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I didn't think anyone can deny there was an issue with Rashford for a while, but he was still playing OK when picked. It feels like Amorim came in and was told, or decided for himself, to pick a player and make a show of being the boss with them. I'd imagine his wages and years left on his deal was why Rashford was a prime candidate for it. The fact the Man U fans had turned on him ages ago made him a safe bet in that sense too. Imagine if they'd tried to cash in on a homegrown superstar that the fans loved? Lucky for them their fans are thick.
So they put their foot down and basically made it impossible for him to stay, and I think impossible for him to go back, even if Amorim left. But as I said, they've made it so obvious that he can't be at Man U anymore, so it puts them on the back foot immediately when it comes to negotiating a deal.
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It's the contract.
It is, but the contract becomes a (bigger) issue when he's not giving them anything.
A version of Rashford where he's smashing in thirty goals a season and they're qualifying for the Champions League and it stops being such a big problem.
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I didn't think anyone can deny there was an issue with Rashford for a while, but he was still playing OK when picked. It feels like Amorim came in and was told, or decided for himself, to pick a player and make a show of being the boss with them. I'd imagine his wages and years left on his deal was why Rashford was a prime candidate for it. The fact the Man U fans had turned on him ages ago made him a safe bet in that sense too. Imagine if they'd tried to cash in on a homegrown superstar that the fans loved? Lucky for them their fans are thick.
So they put their foot down and basically made it impossible for him to stay, and I think impossible for him to go back, even if Amorim left. But as I said, they've made it so obvious that he can't be at Man U anymore, so it puts them on the back foot immediately when it comes to negotiating a deal.
Yep, it went a bit like Gerrard with Mings except his signing to repalce him got broken in his 2nd game and Gerrard didn't last much longer himself.
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It is laughable that Amorim (who i do not rate at all from what i have seen so far) Claimed he wanted him out as he could not comprehend how he wanted Rashford to train and play.
What a load of cobblers - unless he meant a winning team mentality
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Nothing screams winning team mentality than suggesting your new team maybe the worst iteration of it ever.
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Headline on Sky Sports Paper Talk: Amorim will not offer Rashford
a Man Utd return in the summer.
THE SUNDAY STAR
Ruben Amorim will not offer Marcus Rashford a Manchester United lifeline this summer, and United bosses will look to strike a permanent deal with Aston Villa for Rashford in the region of £60m.
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40mil is in the region of 60mil.
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They want to be rid of him. They are stupid, but you’d think not stupid enough to put the price to a level it becomes a deterrent and they end up with him back there. Especially as they know everyone knows it.
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40mil is in the region of 60mil.
I wouldnt want to walk it
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Noticed Marcus is playing a more goal creator and contributor role than actually a goal scorer or goal threat.
This was evident for England as well as has been for Villa.
I hope once he scores he gets some confidence to score more but some of his play and positioning isn’t really allowing for goals for himself.
I’ve always felt he be a very good number 9 but it’s always said that Marcus prefers to play wide and not out and out striker.
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Marcus had a great first touch and worked the space well but his delivery was disappointing even though he was crossing into a highly-crowded box.
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Headline on Sky Sports Paper Talk: Amorim will not offer Rashford
a Man Utd return in the summer.
THE SUNDAY STAR
Ruben Amorim will not offer Marcus Rashford a Manchester United lifeline this summer, and United bosses will look to strike a permanent deal with Aston Villa for Rashford in the region of £60m.
I can not believe you post this shit, it’s the Star.
But it’s you.Them.
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Headline on Sky Sports Paper Talk: Amorim will not offer Rashford
a Man Utd return in the summer.
THE SUNDAY STAR
Ruben Amorim will not offer Marcus Rashford a Manchester United lifeline this summer, and United bosses will look to strike a permanent deal with Aston Villa for Rashford in the region of £60m.
Thanks for posting, footy. Please ignore any barbs from bitter incels. They're very unhappy people.
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Marcus
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Don't know where this £60m figure comes from when at the time of the loan deal, it was public knowledge that we had an option for £40m.
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Don't know where this £60m figure comes from when at the time of the loan deal, it was public knowledge that we had an option for £40m.
Its not out of the question if he hits markers specified, for instance an England recall, X amount of goals or assists, CL qualification, games played etc. I'm not saying its right but its plausible.
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Goals/CL qualification...maybe. But an extra £20m for an England call-up? Sounds like BS from Pro Man Utd press to me.
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Don't know where this £60m figure comes from when at the time of the loan deal, it was public knowledge that we had an option for £40m.
Its not out of the question if he hits markers specified, for instance an England recall, X amount of goals or assists, CL qualification, games played etc. I'm not saying its right but its plausible.
It's equally and probably more plausible that it's just some hack trying to chuck in a bit of bollocks into the mix.
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Or ManU trying to tell the world they are more savvy these days.
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If he ends up having a blinder of a season, scoring a hat trick in the European Cup Final, and United want him back (either to keep or to sell to someone else for a lot more) we could just tell them to give us £20m cash and we won’t exercise our right to buy.
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But an extra £20m for an England call-up? Sounds like BS from Pro Man Utd press to me.
Quite possibly, but a fit on form Rashford was probably in the £80m-£90m catagory (?), getting an England call up could be seen as an indicator that he's getting back toward that form so the price reflects that?
*Shrugs*
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I’d be surprised if there are additional clauses purely because it is very obvious (and still is) they want rid of him. I would think they probably would want to undervalue him rather than risk deterring any buyers and end up not being able to shift him.
Might be wrong - and they’re not the best with decision making - but logically thinking about their overall objectives that’d make sense to me.
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Yep, I agree that clauses that increase the price so much seem unlikely given how desperate they are to move him on. Having him put himself in the window with some decent displays only to jack the price and make him harder to sell seems counter-productive. if it was £40m-£45m I'd be less shocked but a random 50% increase because of a couple of extra England caps or a few more goals/assists than expected doesn't really work for anyone.
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If I had to guess, nothing has changed but the creative way that they're reporting the old numbers to squeeze a few more valuable clicks out the SEO-friendly names during international week.
"If Villa pay Man Utd £40m and Man Utd don't have to pay Rashford the remaining £20m on his contract they're sort of £60m better off, aren't they?"
"£60m, bang it straight on the back page"
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He's not worth £60m.
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He probably was when he was banging goals in for fun after the last World Cup.
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"The price is now 60m."
'No thanks.'
"Okay, you drive a hard bargain, my friend! Hahaha. 40m."
'No thanks.'
"Please"
'No thanks'
"OKAY OKAY OKAY! 40m AND we'll thrown in Harry Maguire"
*Hangs up*
Last day of the window deal gets done at 30m plus 125k wage coverage for remainder of United contract.
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I just wonder if this deal really stacks up for us and overarching squad strategy?
The deal is expensive, it's risky (track record of playing well when needs to get a new contract, then slipping back in terms of effort and performance) and he plays in a position where we have other options.
It might not be a case of having to prioritise, but if it was then certainly a new long term contract for Kamara and finding a better option on the right would be come higher on the list for me. And if that then made it a choice between Rashford and Asensio, then the latter takes priority.
The only way I can see it stacking up is if Ollie is going in the summer and Unai thinks Rashford could play more centrally.
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'track record of playing well when needs to get a new contract, then slipping back in terms of effort and performance' - does that really play out? Have you been taking notice every time he has an improved contract in his career? Or is track record just once, meaning the last time, which could be an anomaly? It's still early doors, anyway.
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Or ManU trying to tell the world they are more savvy these days.
Quite likely. It's possible we've indicated we're not buying and they're trying to get a better price than what they very publicly agreed with us.
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Delighted that he got his first goals and we also have a proper penalty taker. That was as a confidently put away as the days of AEG. Just annoys me that some of the media still focuses on the negatives. After the game listening to TS (I know, I know) the last who was with Durham asked why he can’t play all the time at a high level and questioned his motivation and work ethic. Like fuck off with that already. Since being at Villa, the key point in this, he’s been very opposite of what he looked like at Man U. So how about just calling it out for what it is. It was that club and less him. He’s happy now and looks brilliant for us.
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Look how many in the BBC comments were along the lines of "he is at his level, 14th in the Championship" and "two against Preston, that is the Ballon D'or".
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Credit where due. Cool, composed finish for the 1st goal and calm, decisive penalty for the 2nd. More of this and his recent assists and a permanent move can be considered at the end of the season. Not until then though.
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Credit where due. Cool, composed finish for the 1st goal and calm, decisive penalty for the 2nd. More of this and his recent assists and a permanent move can be considered at the end of the season. Not until then though.
I was hoping you’d not get the nod to make those sorts of decisions.
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It might be me being a bit pessimistic and thinking we are punching above our weight but I can’t help feeling that he’s playing for us doesn’t feel real - yet
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It might be me being a bit pessimistic and thinking we are punching above our weight but I can’t help feeling that he’s playing for us doesn’t feel real - yet
Nah you need to shake that off. This isn’t Lambert’s Villa. We are a proper team now competing at the business end of the season. And we deserve it. We have a top manager and the set up is outstanding to continue to build year over year. We have a great chance of keeping the top players we have. And that includes Rashford and Asensio.
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It might be me being a bit pessimistic and thinking we are punching above our weight but I can’t help feeling that he’s playing for us doesn’t feel real - yet
Nah you need to shake that off. This isn’t Lambert’s Villa. We are a proper team now competing at the business end of the season. And we deserve it. We have a top manager and the set up is outstanding to continue to build year over year. We have a great chance of keeping the top players we have. And that includes Rashford and Asensio.
Yes, having Emery as manager for 2.5 seasons now should show we are not a Villa of old. And TBH having Asensio is bigger then having Rashford.
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He's made the step up from a bottom 6 club to one that chases trophies pretty well.
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Look how many in the BBC comments were along the lines of "he is at his level, 14th in the Championship" and "two against Preston, that is the Ballon D'or".
I saw one questioning whether it says more about him or Man Utd, in a negative sense. But the person who said it acknowledged that the Villa coaching set up was definitely in credit.
I think the thing a lot of these people like to ignore is that the Man U fans turned on him ages ago. They helped create the situation that allowed Amorim to single him out for the BillyBigBalls treatment. Maybe he was making no effort for a while before that, but it's not like he was at a brilliant club full of brilliant people and fans. He was in a toxic environment for a long time. As has been proven by several other players who have been scapegoats for their failures before going elsewhere and playing brilliantly.
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Simon Stone on the Rashford situation. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/czx4lp78vp7o
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I’m sick of the media wankfest around him.
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If he’s doing well I couldn’t care a less.
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I hope he wants to stay and doesn't just see us as some sort of stepping stone . A fully functioning Rashford is a top player as we are seeing . The media won't leave him alone because he is such a big name and high profile player , doesn't do us any harm to have him around .
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Simon Stone on the Rashford situation. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/czx4lp78vp7o
Emery basically means stop talking shit arsehole
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Emery has made the same point that many of us on here have already made. We are in a position where we could still potentially win the FA Cup, the Champions League, and qualify for the CL again next season through league position. We are also in a position where we could win nothing, finish 9th, and have no European football next season. There are several other variations between those two.
I'm sure the finance brains at the club have an idea of what's possible and what's necessary depending on how the rest of the season plays out, but until it does play out, we have no idea who stays and who goes.
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While i want him to do well, the chatter around him overshadows the rest of the team. The Beeb spent well over five minutes talking about him after the game. Who he plays for comes secondary.
When we win the CL, l hope it's Ramsey, Mings or Meatball that gets the winner.
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Simon Stone on the Rashford situation. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/czx4lp78vp7o
For some reason I subjected myself to the comments to that article. I don't think I have come across a bigger sea of twats before.
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From The Athletic
MARCUS RASHFORD AT ASTON VILLA IS A PROCESS AND PERSEVERANCE IS PAYING OFF FOR UNAI EMERY
If 45 frustrating minutes underlined one of Aston Villa’s deepest problems this season, then it took only a couple of seconds to see a solution.
Those fleeting moments between the ball leaving Lucas Digne’s boot and arriving into the path of Marcus Rashford brought blessed relief for the on-loan striker and his team.
His first goal for the club was something of a scarcity when it arrived in the FA Cup quarter-final win over Preston North End, because it was a shot on target: one of only a couple from Villa at that stage, all of them taken by the England international.
This could have been a familiar tale for both the club and their high-profile February recruit, who was still waiting to score for them.
Only five clubs — all of whom reside in the Premier League’s bottom six — have had fewer shots on target than Villa this season, a perplexing and troublesome statistic for a team still targeting progress in Europe, the FA Cup and in the top flight.
For most of the first half against obdurate and well-drilled Championship opponents, it was clear to see how they have been so toothless. Despite Villa’s dominance and wealth of attacking options, the best they could manage against an injury-hit Preston, who were without several key men, including their first-choice goalkeeper, was Rashford’s first-half free kick, straight at stand-in Dai Cornell, and then a tame effort minutes before the deadlock was broken.
Movement, pace, individual quality; Villa have it in abundance but seemed curiously incapable of that final ball or shot. For a while, there was the whiff of a cup upset in the air as the stage seemed set for that profligacy to be punished by a breakaway Preston goal.
But just as Unai Emery might have been pondering a change, with Ollie Watkins on the bench, Rashford showed why he was worth persevering with on Sunday and worth recruiting during the winter despite doubts over whether he would ever return to his best.
His first Villa goal was dispatched instinctively: the striker’s muscle memory letting him readjust his run by just the right fraction to fire Digne’s pass first time into the bottom corner. It was all the more impressive because it required patience and focus from the 27-year-old, who didn’t lose his head after wasting that prior opportunity.
In that moment, Rashford should have done better than the tame effort saved by Cornell at close range when he had latched onto Morgan Rogers’ pass. The striker never really appeared in full control of the ball and Cornell did well to get off his line and smother it.
It might have been the last act of Rashford’s first start leading the line for Villa. If Emery had lost faith and made a change, the narrative around the No 9 would have been unchanged.
Instead, his final significant contribution was confidently dispatching the penalty that sent his team to Wembley, then 16 minutes later receiving a standing ovation from the travelling supporters behind the goal in Deepdale’s Bill Shankly Kop end.
The visitors can head into the semi-final against Crystal Palace hoping their shot-shy epidemic may be easing. They managed seven on target in the end, three of them decisively, albeit against a Championship side.
For his part, Rashford will hope those first goals in claret and blue, along with 81 minutes extra game time, create a fluency that keeps him in the team ahead of the fit-again Watkins.
As important as this brace might be, it is premature to claim that Rashford is back at his best. Only time and further opportunities to gel with Rogers, Marco Asensio and Villa’s other creative assets will determine that.
But on his 10th appearance for his loan club, it was important that goals arrived. That is, after all, why he is here.
And there was also evidence to suggest Rashford can be effective as a more conventional No 9, leading the line with so much talent around him, even if so often they are not decisive.
Setting aside the fact this was also against a team 14th in the Championship, Rashford showed decent movement when he occupied the central attacking area and also kept Preston’s defenders guessing by drifting into the outside channels.
At one stage, he was so keen to make an impact that he almost turned provider, taking a corner as the half neared its end. Ezri Konsa connected but headed over.
Those runs into the channel also let Rogers come inside dangerously and will have given Emery encouragement in Rashford’s ability to effect the game in different ways, although how his goal eventually arrived was more familiar. As the team broke forward, Rashford charged at pace into the extra space afforded by Preston in the second half.
“Today, he took one step forward,” Emery said when asked about Rashford after the game.
“He is playing in the plan we did with him. He has played more as a winger on the left side and played in some moments as a striker. We decided to start him as a striker to try to get from him his qualities and power and get him feeling confident.
“The first half, not completely, but in the second half scoring goals, he was feeling better. The process we have with him still has work to do and needs more adaptation together with his team-mates.”
Emery declined to offer any clarity over when he might push to make Rashford’s move permanent, insisting that the club’s fate next season — whether they will compete in European competition again or have added to the Villa Park trophy cabinet — remains in the balance.
But for Villa’s demanding manager, and for his No 9, one thing did become clearer on Sunday. Rashford has not lost his golden touch and when he clicks with the abundance of talent around him, it may provide the firepower Emery needs to fulfil those objectives.
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From The Guardian's regulations Monday round up column
FA CUP QUARTER FINALS AND MORE - TALKING POINTS FROM THE WEEKEND
2 RASHFORD SHOWS SIGNS OF BEST FORM
There have been starts. There have been assists, England caps, awkward questions to Jim Ratcliffe. Now, for the first time in four months, there are goals to gild Marcus Rashford’s comeback yarn. A tap-in and a dodgy penalty against Preston, yes, but also lots of energetic running, a swagger and a poise, the sharpness and acceleration that evokes Rashford at his best. Inevitably there will be talk of whether Manchester United will take him back (probably not) or whether Aston Villa can afford to take him on (also probably not). But as well as opening up his future, Rashford’s performances allow us to relitigate the recent past. Was he really as bad, as indolent, as toxic, as United and their gormless PR machine allowed us to believe? Or was he simply a struggling player thrown to the wolves by a failing regime desperate to cover up its own flaws?
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"Dodgy penalty"? I thought it looked soft until the replay. Or are they talking about the stuttering run-up?
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From The Guardian's regulations Monday round up column
FA CUP QUARTER FINALS AND MORE - TALKING POINTS FROM THE WEEKEND
2 RASHFORD SHOWS SIGNS OF BEST FORM
There have been starts. There have been assists, England caps, awkward questions to Jim Ratcliffe. Now, for the first time in four months, there are goals to gild Marcus Rashford’s comeback yarn. A tap-in and a dodgy penalty against Preston, yes, but also lots of energetic running, a swagger and a poise, the sharpness and acceleration that evokes Rashford at his best. Inevitably there will be talk of whether Manchester United will take him back (probably not) or whether Aston Villa can afford to take him on (also probably not). But as well as opening up his future, Rashford’s performances allow us to relitigate the recent past. Was he really as bad, as indolent, as toxic, as United and their gormless PR machine allowed us to believe? Or was he simply a struggling player thrown to the wolves by a failing regime desperate to cover up its own flaws?
Yep, that all seems fair.
Although I'd suggest that anyone who allowed themselves to believe that he was "really as bad, as indolent, as toxic, as United and their gormless PR machine" suggested would have to be a nitwit of the highest order.
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"Dodgy penalty"? I thought it looked soft until the replay. Or are they talking about the stuttering run-up?
The former. It's annoying, but that sort of run-up is within the rules and not going anywhere.
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I assumed the former but "dodgy"? Soft might have been a description but not sure how anyone can think a player stamping down on another players foot when missing the ball is "dodgy". "Dodgy" is Fernandez kicking his own foot and falling over getting a penalty.
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I assumed the former but "dodgy"? Soft might have been a description but not sure how anyone can think a player stamping down on another players foot when missing the ball is "dodgy". "Dodgy" is Fernandez kicking his own foot and falling over getting a penalty.
I think it's just a bit of journalistic hyperbole. The first wasn't really what I'd call a "tap-in" either.
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It is the danger of someone like him or any other of "their" lot - they are always the bigger story than anything else from a sycophantic media.
I am starting to feel a little sorry for him (i know considering i really did not want him here - for mainly the stuff above) but at no point has the same media started to question the charlatan that is Amorim.
Since here:
Training well
Looking a lot fitter
Plenty of assists
Fitting in with the team
Chasing back and clearly putting a lot of effort in.
Now scored a few
Back in the England team
Actually smiling and looking like he is enjoying football
Considering how many other (not good enough or considered trouble) players are thriving away from the cesspit - maybe it could be him?
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Given that's the case with several players who left before Amorim arrived, I imagine it's more to do with the club than Amorim specifically.
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Given that's the case with several players who left before Amorim arrived, I imagine it's more to do with the club than Amorim specifically.
Amorim's Paul Lambert impersonation can't have helped though.
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Given that's the case with several players who left before Amorim arrived, I imagine it's more to do with the club than Amorim specifically.
Amorim's Paul Lambert impersonation can't have helped though.
In Rashford's case specifically, sure.
The likes of McTominay, Elanga, Wan-Bissaka are much harder to blame Amorim for given they'd gone by the time he arrived. The only one apart from Rashford who Amorim ditched and is now thriving was Antony, and I think given how his time at Man Utd has played out, it's hard to say that one is Amorim's fault.
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Well the innuendo before he came (and from Ratcliffe afterwards) was he was misbehaving in Manchester and surrounded by bad friends.
But he’s been so humble and careful with us I do wonder now. We’ve certainly handled his media well. Yesterday was the first interview and only because it was a contractual obligation. He handled it well and didn’t create headlines about “them”. Given the circus around him I think FairPlay to him for the way he’s knuckled down and got back on track!
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Given the number of articles that are now springing up daily about Rashford, most begrudgingly admiring his rebirth as a footballer, I cannot imagine what it must be like for him. This is the positive side of the equation. But for years the media reporting and publicity surrounding him was almost exclusively negative. And that’s before you get to reaction he got when he stepped out of his front door into the real world, let alone walking into work or onto a pitch. None of us face this incredible level of scrutiny. The pressure to be yourself against the backdrop of what others want you to be must be overwhelming at times.
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Given that's the case with several players who left before Amorim arrived, I imagine it's more to do with the club than Amorim specifically.
The fact Amorim, having a good time at a decent club, chose to go to Man U when he did, on their terms, and seems to have played ball with them since, says a lot about him, I think. Maybe he's just bitten off more than he can chew and was nieve in his self belief, but if ever a job was a poison chalice, it was this one at this time. Agree you can't blame him for things that went on before he was there, but I think he's happily hitched his wagon to their mess and is now as much a part of the problem.
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Add the distraction of a new stadium and it could be a fantastic few years for them.
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I enjoy how much the mock up of the stadium looks like a big top.
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Talk today that his goal last night, by hitting the ball into the ground causing the ball to "dink" over the keeper, was a deliberate action.
I have watched it about 15 times and cannot be sure?
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Ronaldo did similar stuff.
I don't care and I doubt he will, a goal is a goal.
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Sir Graham once said something along the lines of the bigger the ship, the harder it was to turn around. These wankers have been telling everyone how big they are for as long as I can remember, so let's hope that's the case.
Hopefully the likes of Rashford, Antony and Elanga thriving away from that circus puts any half decent players off signing for them, unfortunately money talks.
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Sir Graham once said something along the lines of the bigger the ship, the harder it was to turn around. These wankers have been telling everyone how big they are for as long as I can remember, so let's hope that's the case.
Hopefully the likes of Rashford, Antony and Elanga thriving away from that circus puts any half decent players off signing for them, unfortunately money talks.
I think the horse bolted on that some time ago and they've been paying top player prices for second rate players.
It's brilliant.
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It's a big old rudderless cruise ship. There's more crew than passengers and they are all working on their own.
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Talk today that his goal last night, by hitting the ball into the ground causing the ball to "dink" over the keeper, was a deliberate action.
I have watched it about 15 times and cannot be sure?
i've watched it a few times , does look intentional to me
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The Beeb comments section for our matches has a lot of ManU fans giving Rashford grief rather than realising that their utterly shit manager is a big problem as to why they're so shite.
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He tried to put the ball into the net, he put the ball into the net. He probably didn't mean to slightly over-run the ball, but couldn't knock it forward as the keeper was so far out. But he definitely meant to clip it over the keeper somehow as he had gone down early.
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I think the ball held up and got under his feet unexpectedly, he tried to dink it but hit it into the ground.
He scored because he got himself there.
Who cares.
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I think the ball held up and got under his feet unexpectedly, he tried to dink it but hit it into the ground.
He scored because he got himself there.
Who cares.
Yup, all of that.
If you're in that position and you're trying to get the ball over a goalkeeper running towards you just lift it over him. You don't think about knocking it into the ground on the off chance he might dive towards you at around the same time.
It doesn't make it a worse goal if he didn't plan every precise movement of the ball at every moment.
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Does it matter .
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Talk today that his goal last night, by hitting the ball into the ground causing the ball to "dink" over the keeper, was a deliberate action.
Ozil used to see it.
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Kids will be trying it in the park games this weekend
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Was PSG one of the teams linked with Rashford? Maybe it was just idle speculation as they're one of the few that could afford him, but I'd imagine it's safe to say they have absolutely no need for him.
(Not a criticism of Rashford, just an observation of how good they are)
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Was PSG one of the teams linked with Rashford? Maybe it was just idle speculation as they're one of the few that could afford him, but I'd imagine it's safe to say they have absolutely no need for him.
Yup, quite a few times over the last year or two.
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Manchester United boss Ruben Amorim will hold 'clear-the-air' talks with England forward Marcus Rashford this summer if the 27-year-old does not sign with Aston Villa permanently. (BBC Gossip from the Daily Star)
Is this a possible indication that we're not interested in signing him permanently?
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I think it's highly unlikely we can afford him, even if we want to keep him. And, I think they shot themselves in the foot by forcing him out and then publicly agreeing a fee they'd sell him for.
They may well be resigned to the fact they're not going to get what they want for him, and realistically, they're going to end up having to bring him back.
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He's been decent, but not 40m fee and 300k+ a week decent yet.
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The £40m fee wouldn’t concern in the context of modern football and what value is. The wages are the issue.
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I think it turns out to be what a lot of people earlier in the thread thought it might - he's not shown enough to justify us throwing our entire summer weight behind bringing him in permanently, but he has shown enough to demonstrate to someone bigger and richer than us that Man Utd are definitely the problem rather than him, so why not add a bit more to their already-massive wage bill and add him to it.
Although - I don't think his "worth" to us is really being helped by trying to make him do cosplay Ollie Watkins. And if we were playing him more in the place that he plays well, he might have looked really good rather than just good. And we might have been more interested in bringing him in longer-term.
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Has the Ollie cosplay been dictated by real Ollie carrying a knock? We played Rashford plenty of times in his preferred position and he looked really good. I don't see why we'd play him instead of Ollie if it wasn't necessary?
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We spent £20m in January on a guy who runs around a lot, chases everything, is really quick, seems great at getting a shot away, has played the best football of his very decent career as a centre-forward and was signed by his previous club to be a centre-forward.
If Ollie isn't fit enough to do an Ollie Watkins role, there's a much more obvious replacement than Rashford.
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I think it turns out to be what a lot of people earlier in the thread thought it might - he's not shown enough to justify us throwing our entire summer weight behind bringing him in permanently, but he has shown enough to demonstrate to someone bigger and richer than us that Man Utd are definitely the problem rather than him, so why not add a bit more to their already-massive wage bill and add him to it.
Although - I don't think his "worth" to us is really being helped by trying to make him do cosplay Ollie Watkins. And if we were playing him more in the place that he plays well, he might have looked really good rather than just good. And we might have been more interested in bringing him in longer-term.
The issue I see is that his favourite position is also the position where Morgan Rogers looks at his best, Jacob Ramsey plays and John McGinn can fill in when necessary.
If we were going to spend the kind of money on him that has been quoted, then I would be looking at him as a central striker really and weighing up selling Ollie Watkins if a good offer came in.
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I think if we want Rashford, and Rashford wants to stay a deal will be agreed that won’t be what he’s being paid at Man U. Rashford isn’t daft. He’s found himself playing for a manager who believes in him. With players who like him annd fans who support him. After the nonsense of the past 2 years at Man U it must be great to just be surrounded by good people and now almost exclusively positive publicity. I just don’t think he will leave with money being the primary motivator. Now that’s not suggesting he’s going to play for free. He will still be paid very well, but if he stays it will be what we can afford based on our revenues and PSR/FFP commitments.
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He's doing OK but we need to spend our wages carefully going forward and he's not worth the money he's been used to getting.
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The media obsession with him is incredible. I only saw this because Tommy Jordan described it as “pathetic click bait” on Twitter:
“Aston Villa and Unai Emery handed clear wake-up call over Marcus Rashford decision”
That was the Mirror’s headline on their match report.
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I wonder if the decision to buy or not will be influenced at all by things like shirt sales with his name on etc? I'm another who thinks he has been decent rather than 'stand out' the way the papers would have you believe. He's no centre forward though and I dont think playing him there in recent games has done him any favours.
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I think he’s been ok to good so far. His intelligence is clear and his electric pace is a threat. But I’m not sure beyond his loan whether he’s worth the wages and fee. He spends long spells completely uninvolved.
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The fee is fine and no-one, but no-one, outside of Saudi Arabia, is going to be paying him what he's on now. As I mentioned, you wonder, if he would accept a wage at or close to what we are already paying our big earners, if the club reckon they can make a lot of it back from the increased profile of the club. I dunno, I know he's a global star, but I'm not sure he's a global star to Villa fans, if that makes sense. Is he only a global star because he's the highest profile player of ManU. Can we tap into that, does he lose his marketing appeal if he signs for us permanently?
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We spent £20m in January on a guy who runs around a lot, chases everything, is really quick, seems great at getting a shot away, has played the best football of his very decent career as a centre-forward and was signed by his previous club to be a centre-forward.
If Ollie isn't fit enough to do an Ollie Watkins role, there's a much more obvious replacement than Rashford.
I agree, Dave.
Rashford has been an excellent short-term addition and undoubtedly causes opponents to think hard about how to defend against us. However, I think that his influence with us will diminish if he goes onto a full contract with us and we have several players who can offer alternatives.
In the summer, I'd want us to spend our money on Liam Delap, Asensio and a CB (Disasi might be that option; maybe not).
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I wonder if he has any interest in holding "clear the air" talks with Amorim? Their fans and the whole culture at the club were as big a problem as Amorim, there were issues there before be arrived. According to the stories in January, he had no interest in a Saudi move, and getting back in the England squad was a big motivation for him. His choices to achieve these things, and be happy doing it, are limited.
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Although we have to remember that any story involving ManU gets clicks and advertising revenue, so they are constantly published, whether there is any truth to them or not.
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There’s a bit of gerrard syndrome where the football world seems to think we should be in awe of rashford. We’re not.
His £40m valuation is fair, but the wage he is on need us to qualify for the CL every season he is here.
He’s been good and adds something to the squad, but Wednesday night’s performance has put a big question mark against him in my eyes.
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The size of the contract is probably going to cost him. Not financially, obviously, but in his choices around his career. I like him, he's done a decent job here, but there's no way we can afford him permanently and I'm not sure the inclination would be there from our side if we could (at that rate).
Best options are probably staying at United and try and make it work whilst he rides out his massive contract (I know I wouldn't be walking away from that), or another loan. Maybe back here. Who knows.
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I think he’ll only come if we qualify for the CL. If he does come then we need to play him in his best position as well, as a left sided attacking striker.
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He's alright and so is Disasi but with finances tight we should be a little more savvy and look for better value for money than those two.
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There’s a bit of gerrard syndrome where the football world seems to think we should be in awe of rashford. We’re not.
His £40m valuation is fair, but the wage he is on need us to qualify for the CL every season he is here.
He’s been good and adds something to the squad, but Wednesday night’s performance has put a big question mark against him in my eyes.
I’d agree that we aren’t in awe. But you can see what he’s up against, with one less than dynamic performance against a side we were parking the bus for and the negativity meter starts to twitch.
He’s done absolutely fine for us and will get a move to a CL club next season - I hope that’s us but I won’t be heartbroken if it’s not (so long as we are in the CL obvs).
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He was hardly given a platform to shine in Paris, and was key to our goal.
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He was hardly given a platform to shine in Paris, and was key to our goal.
Indeed.
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Manchester United boss Ruben Amorim will hold 'clear-the-air' talks with England forward Marcus Rashford this summer if the 27-year-old does not sign with Aston Villa permanently. (BBC Gossip from the Daily Star)
Is this a possible indication that we're not interested in signing him permanently?
We can only hope.
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Overall he has done well.
I still wouldn't sign him permanently.
He needs to get himself a season or 2 abroad.
Suspect he will stay at ManU and be on loan somewhere again come next January
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CL qualification is the key to us being able to afford him, and him wanting to stay (although his options may be limited).
However, CL qualification may also put up his wages, as according to a Man U forum I was perusing in January, his reported wages included a big bonus for playing CL. He wasn't actually on the 300k a week this year, but he may want it next year.
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He was hardly given a platform to shine in Paris, and was key to our goal.
the way we played v PSG didn't benefit Rashford, as didn't Southampton not wanting to play Football yesterday - still, a good option for us to change it up when needed.
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I really like him, he seems a decent sort and he’s obviously a massive talent. He worked hard yesterday in a tough roll, he was often surrounded by two or three players. He tracked back and made a brilliant tackle at one point which shows he’s committed.
For the massive wage that he will have I’m just not entirely sure we can do with the negativity that surrounds him from the press, they have it in for him and are just waiting for him to fail or have a bad game.
The other night, the commentators mentioned he’s the only one in gloves. It’s small, but it’s there, if that was SJM in gloves I bet it wouldn’t have been said.
I’m sure, just because he went against the establishment for doing something good, he’s now a marked man.
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He may have worn gloves because sometimes it snows in April.
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He's a good player and I'd love to keep him if the price and wages were right. We wouldn't sign him otherwise.
We've looked more potent with him in the team and he's someone that increases our profile too.
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I always find it odd that people get worked up about players wearing gloves. If you’ve got cold hands and it makes you feel better so what? To be a real man you’ve got to suffer where ever you can I suppose…
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Wherever he goes Man U are going to have to subsidise his wages for the duration of his 3 year contract. That will be reflected in any fee they get. Nobody is going to pay him £300k a week going forward. I reckon £20m fee & £150k a week but only if we qualify for the Champions League.
It's more likely he's only interested in a move away from England.
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I always find it odd that people get worked up about players wearing gloves. If you’ve got cold hands and it makes you feel better so what? To be a real man you’ve got to suffer where ever you can I suppose…
Is it the temperature, or some kind of superstition thing?
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Well either way, if it helps someone in some way I don’t see the big deal.
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I always find it odd that people get worked up about players wearing gloves. If you’ve got cold hands and it makes you feel better so what? To be a real man you’ve got to suffer where ever you can I suppose…
Is it the temperature, or some kind of superstition thing?
He may have Reynaud's syndrome. I recently realised that I have that. My hands used to kill me with pain in the cold, as a kid playing school sports in the winter. My mum took me to the doctor, who, in his best looking down his nose old school tie way went 'Mnerrh, bad circulation' and that was the end of that. Nothing to be done, apparently...
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I always find it odd that people get worked up about players wearing gloves. If you’ve got cold hands and it makes you feel better so what? To be a real man you’ve got to suffer where ever you can I suppose…
I know. I don't see the big deal either. I'm pretty sure John Carew was a real man.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/05/article-0-090D0261000005DC-919_306x515.jpg)
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I always find it odd that people get worked up about players wearing gloves. If you’ve got cold hands and it makes you feel better so what? To be a real man you’ve got to suffer where ever you can I suppose…
Is it the temperature, or some kind of superstition thing?
He may have Reynaud's syndrome. I recently realised that I have that. My hands used to kill me with pain in the cold, as a kid playing school sports in the winter. My mum took me to the doctor, who, in his best looking down his nose old school tie way went 'Mnerrh, bad circulation' and that was the end of that. Nothing to be done, apparently...
My wife has it and even on a mildly cold day she is in pain with it.
IIRC it used to be called Industrial White finger and was caused by over frequency use of power tools (road digging, factory workers etc) caused nerve damage and poor circulation.
She used to get funny looks in the car when driving in gloves until the kids got her a furry steering wheel cover.
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I really hope he gets us to the cup final(s) and scores the winner in both of them
But i would not sign him full time just in case we have the Couthinio situation and we are stuck with huge wages and still the huge circus around him.
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He may have worn gloves because sometimes it snows in April.
Sometimes he feels so bad.
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His work for the Konsa goal was exemplary.
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He was sensational in that second half. We lost our way when him and SJM came off.
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I can only assume he was shattered, because he terrified PSG. Sign him.
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Feels like the sort of match which might push us to do what is necessary to make the finances work.
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Indeed - he showed on that stage that he can terrify any opposition. We need that quality.
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He was poor for most of the first half. Didn't have any control or hold-up play. He ran and chased down but not much until Tielemans goal where he did a 1-2 and then dragged the defender away and into the position for the deflection. Second half though and he was tremendous but so were most of them.
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They were, but he and SJM were different level. For that 20 mins PSG were utterly terrified of him. That is a level we need to keep.
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Massive game at the weekend so I can only imagine along with being tired Emery has an eye on making sure we have the best side available to play Newcastle.
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such a shame Emery doesn't see him and Watkins in the same team. Rash wants to play in that channel when he starts on his own he's drifting left.
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My theory on this is that Emery sees him as his number 9 long term and given he's 2 years younger than Watkins, wants to develop him in the same way. As a result I wouldn't be surprised to see us cash in on one to sign the other (if possible) this summer.
I do think Rashford has a level of indivual, unique, truly 'world class' talent that Watkins simply doesn't have, despite him probably being 'more effective' in 80-90% of situations in game and of course a fantastic player. Demonstrated by that assist he provided last night when he ghosted round Vitinha and Marquinhos and had the presence of mind to put an inch-perfect pass on a plate for Konsa.
I think a player like Rashford also evolves us as an attacking threat that looks more like the PSG front three last night: think a mobile, interchanging four of Ramsey, Rogers, Rashford and Malen. We have definitely tried to be a more 'open' team this season tactically (for better and for worse at times - think Ipswich away!) and play more man-for-man football both in and out of possession - his ability to beat players in space fits that idea really well.
We are assembling a group of players especially in attacking areas (but also players like Tielemans and Onana with his physicality) who have the ability to 'win' situations 1v1 - Rogers and JJ's power running, Malen's pure pace, Rashford or Asensio's dribbling skill.
It's riskier, but if we get that idea right, we can play at a level like last night, where I don't think it'd be out of the question to say could be title-challenging level if we can be consistent.
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My theory on this is that Emery sees him as his number 9 long term and given he's 2 years younger than Watkins, wants to develop him in the same way. As a result I wouldn't be surprised to see us cash in on one to sign the other (if possible) this summer.
I do think Rashford has a level of indivual, unique, truly 'world class' talent that Watkins simply doesn't have, despite him probably being 'more effective' in 80-90% of situations in game and of course a fantastic player. Demonstrated by that assist he provided last night when he ghosted round Vitinha and Marquinhos and had the presence of mind to put an inch-perfect pass on a plate for Konsa.
I think a player like Rashford also evolves us as an attacking threat that looks more like the PSG front three last night: think a mobile, interchanging four of Ramsey, Rogers, Rashford and Malen. We have definitely tried to be a more 'open' team this season tactically (for better and for worse at times - think Ipswich away!) and play more man-for-man football both in and out of possession - his ability to beat players in space fits that idea really well.
We are assembling a group of players especially in attacking areas (but also players like Tielemans and Onana with his physicality) who have the ability to 'win' situations 1v1 - Rogers and JJ's power running, Malen's pure pace, Rashford or Asensio's dribbling skill.
It's riskier, but if we get that idea right, we can play at a level like last night, where I don't think it'd be out of the question to say could be title-challenging level if we can be consistent.
Excellent post, I agree with all of it.
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Yep, agreed. We are a couple, maybe just one (a world class centre half) off from being genuine contenders. This is why we absolutely have to qualify for the CL next year so that we can keep the players we have and sign that missing piece.
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🚨 Marcus Rashford has ‘never been happier’ during his loan spell at Aston Villa. A source close to the striker says he's benefitted from a change of scenery & from Unai Emery’s man-management.
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Yep, agreed. We are a couple, maybe just one (a world class centre half) off from being genuine contenders. This is why we absolutely have to qualify for the CL next year so that we can keep the players we have and sign that missing piece.
For me it's probably the full backs - Konsa and Torres were outstanding last night IMO. But the difference in Mendes/Hakimi to Cash/Digne, as much as I love them, was quite apparent. I think Maatsen with time could get to that level, his ceiling is very high, but it's the same idea - we need our fullbacks to be able to 'win' 1v1, both in and out of possession. An elite RB probably is the main upgrade for that.
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As good as Cash was last night, I’d probably agree RB is the ‘other’ position.
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I'd rather have Rashford than Duran. I'd love to see him play with Watkins, though it's difficult to play with two up top.
Perhaps....
Martinez
Cash Konsa Torres Digne
Kamara Onana
Rogers Tielemans
Watkins Rashford
There are enough smarts in that team to stretch and swap opponents about. It requires a lot of the full backs, so potentially Garcia and Maatsen with their pace would be better.
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All this is a bit different to figuring out how to get the best out of Ross McCormack and Rudy Gestede
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I've bought into Rashford. Let's get CL football and sign him up.
If Unai has this squad and maybe 1 or 2 quality additions, we can go for the title next year.
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I like him too, but if it is true that wages / turnover is going to be a problem again next year with UEFA, then I suspect we will struggle to pay what he wants.
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Don’t think we can afford the wages Rashford will want and someone else will pay
He’s been good for us but not 300k a week good
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Well according to talkshite sources have told them he’s still dreaming of a move to Barcelona.
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Barca still can't afford to register a player they already own, right?
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They've registered him now, I think. The league seem to have bent the rules for them.
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such a shame Emery doesn't see him and Watkins in the same team. Rash wants to play in that channel when he starts on his own he's drifting left.
I think that's the dream. Especially with a McGinn type player on the right. Morgan in the center.
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They've registered him now, I think. The league seem to have bent the rules for them.
Thought Barca took it to court which stated something legal which meant they could still register him. League was against it until then.
Edit: Seems the league have rejected them again so no idea on what that means. But in the meantime Barca apparently received €100mill euros for leases for the VIP boxes at the Nou Camp.......
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Rashford was unplayable for 20 minutes against PSG and if we can get more of that sign him up, if not it’s a big risk financially.
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Rashford was unplayable for 20 minutes against PSG and if we can get more of that sign him up, if not it’s a big risk financially.
Completely agree - didnt think he did enough first half - second half was imesnse. He has the quality, as did Courtinho - just need to be sure hell do it most weeks
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I’ve got this feeling we are going to go all out to sign him as a replacement for Ollie.
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I’ve got this feeling we are going to go all out to sign him as a replacement for Ollie.
With Malen available for all games next season, I am of the same opinion.
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I agree about Ollie, I can't help feeling that he's being protected against injury for a big move to Arsenal. Probably horlicks to be fair!
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Jury still out for me.
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Rashford was unplayable for 20 minutes against PSG and if we can get more of that sign him up, if not it’s a big risk financially.
Completely agree - didnt think he did enough first half - second half was imesnse. He has the quality, as did Courtinho - just need to be sure hell do it most weeks
Since we lost to Wolves at the end of the January transfer window (during which time ALL the signings have contributed) our form has been brilliant, close to title-challenging. And we came within a whisker of beating the best side in Europe. I suspect Unai will do everything in his power to keep as much of his current squad together as he possibly can, including signing Rashford.
Yes, it will come down to finances, unfortunately, but if it was a purely footballing decision, I have no doubt he'd want him permanently.
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I agree about Ollie, I can't help feeling that he's being protected against injury for a big move to Arsenal. Probably horlicks to be fair!
I don't want us to sell him (he's one of those whose work-rate means we'll miss him more when he's gone), but I do agree this summer is probably the last chance we have to sell him at the top end of his price range.
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I saw a quote somewhere from Ollie that said he's disappointed everytime he starts on the bench but that it's the manager's choice, so it doesn't sound like he's carrying a knock, he's just dropped down the pecking order. My worry there would be that we can't keep Rashford, and Watkins isn't happy and asks for a move.
I suppose we've got Malen and potentially Asensio, which still probably leaves us better off than when it was just Watkins.
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We'll sell Ollie this summer. And it would be the right thing to do, too.
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Not if it's for a pittance, like when we sold Luiz, it won't be.
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Yep. I reckon Arsenal is a good landing spot. Get £60m or so. Bring in Jonathan David on a free or Delap for £30m. Find a way to keep Rashford and Asensio. We don’t need to change too much. Getting rid permanently the likes of Dendoncker, Coutinho, Buendia etc would help too.
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Jonathan David is rubbish.
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And Delap will move for substantially more than £30m
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There was a story the other day saying Man U were interested in Delap but he's said he'd only go there if they win the Europa and get CL for next season. He wasn't European football. Man U fans were livid at an Ipswich player demanding European football. I found it hilarious that it (hopefully) rules them out.
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We'll sell Ollie this summer. And it would be the right thing to do, too.
Linked with Liverpool on BBC gossip page this morning, so almost certainly bollocks. But I agree the stars seem to be aligning for Ollie to leave this summer.
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I just really hope he beats Gabby's record before he leaves. Not much chance of anyone else getting close to it any time soon.
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And Delap will move for substantially more than £30m
Alleged relegation release clause.
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If that’s the case we should be all over that
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They'd have to let him go for that price, but if more than one club was interested they could still get more, right?
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They'd have to let him go for that price, but if more than one club was interested they could still get more, right?
Why?
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They'd have to let him go for that price, but if more than one club was interested they could still get more, right?
Why would any club bid more than they had to? I'd imagine he's going to be a very rich lad.
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They'd have to let him go for that price, but if more than one club was interested they could still get more, right?
No, they offer the same and the player has a choice of who he goes to.
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Don’t Citeh have a buy back? Presumably they could exercise that and sell him for a fair chunk more.
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They'd have to let him go for that price, but if more than one club was interested they could still get more, right?
No, they offer the same and the player has a choice of who he goes to.
In reply to the previous 2 posts too..... I assumed a bidding war, but Steve's post implies they'd all just offer Ipswich the same money and then make offers to the player, wages, bonuses etc. and he'd decide then which one he took. So I was mistaken.
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If that’s the case we should be all over that
Agreed. He's the one. Go get him.
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If Delap is available for that you'd have to assume most of the teams that would be interested in Watkins would be looking at Delap first.
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If Delap is available for that you'd have to assume most of the teams that would be interested in Watkins would be looking at Delap first.
Hopefully he’ll want to reacquaint with Morgan Rogers again. I assume they’ll have played in the same age group teams at Manchester City
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And Delap will move for substantially more than £30m
Bidding war on his £30m release clause?
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If Delap is available for that you'd have to assume most of the teams that would be interested in Watkins would be looking at Delap first.
Hopefully he’ll want to reacquaint with Morgan Rogers again. I assume they’ll have played in the same age group teams at Manchester City
Wherever he goes he'd be silly to make it somewhere that he's not going to play every week. So if we don't sell Watkins, he's be daft to come in and rotate with him, Malen and maybe Rashford. If we do finish sixth or seventh, it's pretty easy to see a scenario where we sell Watkins, don't buy Rashford and bring Delap in as a new first choice I reckon.
On the "why wouldn't they just buy Delap?" thing, I think if Watkins leaves then it's to someone bigger and richer than us to add attacking depth. So that's really Arsenal or that link the other day to Liverpool. Play forty matches as part of a squad rather than sixty as first choice. There's not much point Delap playing that role as this stage in his career.
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Man City allegedly have a buy back option at £20m.
There’s a glut of available strikers this season. Presumably Jonathan David will sign on the 1 June but Osimhen, Rashford, Delap, Hojland, even Watkins could be part of a massive merry go round that’ll run to the end of the window.
For planning purposes, it might be better to keep Watkins and make plans elsewhere.
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Man City allegedly have a buy back option at £20m.
There’s a glut of available strikers this season. Presumably Jonathan David will sign on the 1 June but Osimhen, Rashford, Delap, Hojland, even Watkins could be part of a massive merry go round that’ll run to the end of the window.
Reckon you can add Mateta, Lookman, Vlahovic, Gyokeres and Nkunku to that list as well.
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And Delap will move for substantially more than £30m
Bidding war on his £30m release clause?
:D
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And Delap will move for substantially more than £30m
Bidding war on his £30m release clause?
A historically classic H&V discussion.
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Unless the deal stipulates at the end of the season it's buy or goodbye, Rashford might come on another season long loan. There is a chance if they win the europa, Amorin remains at ManUtd and no other clubs offer him what he wants. He might have made a few new mates here?
I'd definatly be tapping up Delap thought for 30m its a steal, we would probably double our money after one decent 15 goal haul season, which he is well capable of the ammount of chances we create.
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They'd have to let him go for that price, but if more than one club was interested they could still get more, right?
Why would any club bid more than they had to? I'd imagine he's going to be a very rich lad.
Sort of stupid thing Chelsea would do.
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Finances permitting, I think I’d rather have Delap and Cunha than Rashford and Asensio.
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Finances permitting, I think I’d rather have Delap and Cunha than Rashford and Asensio.
Interesting shout...but you're possibly right!
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Not sure I would. Asensio has already shown plenty and Rashford is better than Cunha.
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Cunha is also a liability. His behaviour is not what we've come to associate with Emery's kind of player.
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Bowen would be top of my list especially if Watkins leaves.
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Bowen would be top of my list especially if Watkins leaves.
I really like Bowen but he is not a replacement for Ollie.
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I think Malen is best as a CF anyway, so we could still fit in Bowen.
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28. Cost a fortune. No better than what we have.
If we blow our budget on him then I'd be worried tbh.
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I’d have no problem with it. I’m starting to think Unai might know more about football than us.
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Bowen would be top of my list especially if Watkins leaves.
I really like Bowen but he is not a replacement for Ollie.
Agreed, definitely not. If I were replacing I’d be looking at Delap.
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I know Bowen's good, and scores goals etc, but I always think he looks like he has a loyalty card at Greggs.
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I know Bowen's good, and scores goals etc, but I always think he looks like he has a loyalty card at Greggs.
Yes, and I think we have 'Bowen' type forward in the much more 'salad from Pret' Malen.
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Reckon Bowen's also the type of player who just fits at a particular club like Benteke did for us.
He'd be fine elsewhere but never as good anywhere else as he is for West Ham.
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No need to go anywhere if he's found the perfect fish supper where he is.
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And to cap it all off, rumours that Rashford has done his hamstring and could miss the rest of the season.
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Doesn't sound like he'll be playing again this season, and tbh I'd be surprised if he pulled on a Villa shirt again. Unless we are in the CL and are prepared to match his wages at Man U. There will be a team out there who are, and would be prepared to do that
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Yup that’ll be the end of him with Villa then.
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The other night he stretched for a high ball and was then limping. Hamstring makes sense
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Doesn't matter. Season is over.
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Confirmed.
Marcus Rashford is likely to be unavailable for “some weeks” as Aston Villa head coach Unai Emery confirmed the striker had suffered a hamstring injury.
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Yup that’ll be the end of him with Villa then.
Yep, no CL no Rashford.
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Send him back to the treatment table at Carrington. He won't be here in August, so time to say thanks and good luck.
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He's playing under a manager who believes in him and a fan base who has taken him to their hearts. It would be madness to leave at this stage.
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He's playing under a manager who believes in him and a fan base who has taken him to their hearts. It would be madness to leave at this stage.
Unless we make top 5 there’s no chance he’s staying.
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There can't be many teams who can afford him unless he goes to Bayern, PSG, Barca or Real Madrid.
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Well yeah but count us as one of those who can’t.
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Yep he ain’t coming if we’re not in the CL.
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Newcastle maybe if they make CL. Otherwise I can't see anyone that can afford his wages wanting him. So then it's up to what is he prepared to take as a wage drop.
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He's having a good night at the boxing
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He's playing under a manager who believes in him and a fan base who has taken him to their hearts. It would be madness to leave at this stage.
That may be the case but there are such things as Agents.
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I know having a hamstring injury doesn't stop a socoal life and he's only on loan but not a great look to be at the boxing after we've just lost a semi-final.
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Not sure why really. I mean I know what you’re getting at, but he obviously likes boxing and I’m sure it was planned regardless.
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Personally if I was in the media as much as him, with my career at a crossroads and lots of talk of attitude etc i'd swerve it. But he won't play for us again so sod him.
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Not sure why Our Marcus ‘won’t play’ for Villa after this hiatus.
I mean, Crystal Palace, disgraceful.
But, due to injury, he wasn’t there.
So, I’m looking forward to OM turning out for the Villa again, with 4 PL matches to go! 😄👍
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Sorry Lou, bit confused by that!
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Unless it's a very minor one then a hamstring is unlikely to heal before the end of the season.
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Had a good seat at boxing tonight, shining like a xmas tree.
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Was talking to a Villa park steward before outside the ground.
He said Rashford is injured and will miss the rest of the season.
I presume we will send him back and save his wages
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Was talking to a Villa park steward before outside the ground.
He said Rashford is injured and will miss the rest of the season.
I presume we will send him back and save his wages
Don’t we owe United a higher loan fee if we send him back early? That would put the icing on a very shit sandwich.
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Was talking to a Villa park steward before outside the ground.
He said Rashford is injured and will miss the rest of the season.
I presume we will send him back and save his wages
Don’t we owe United a higher loan fee if we send him back early? That would put the icing on a very shit sandwich.
Not sure why that would be the case. We’d just keep him throughout his recovery.
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Think we've seen the last of him in a Villa shirt. Done welland the right player at the right time - but from an FFP perspective I dont see how it could ever work without a ridiclous cut in salary. Best of luck to him.
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Was talking to a Villa park steward before outside the ground.
He said Rashford is injured and will miss the rest of the season.
I presume we will send him back and save his wages
Don’t we owe United a higher loan fee if we send him back early? That would put the icing on a very shit sandwich.
Not sure why that would be the case. We’d just keep him throughout his recovery.
Oh I agree with you, was just passing on what I’d heard re: the sending him back thing.
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Sorry Lou, bit confused by that!
So am I.
I really hope Marcus R turns out for Villa again after he’s recovered from his injury and I can’t imagine why he wouldn’t. Unai loves him, the guys in training like him, he looks happy.
So, no idea why not, except for this.
A comment about him not wanting to play for us again was from this post:
Personally if I was in the media as much as him, with my career at a crossroads and lots of talk of attitude etc i'd swerve it. But he won't play for us again so sod him.
I’m hoping PWS is wrong 😊
And
Think we've seen the last of him in a Villa shirt. Done welland the right player at the right time - but from an FFP perspective I dont see how it could ever work without a ridiclous cut in salary. Best of luck to him.
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It's because he's unlikely to be fit before the season ends and I doubt we'll qualify for the CL which makes signing him even more unlikely.
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If the injury is going to keep him out for the end of the season, I understand why Unai looked like thunder at the press’ questions re MR’s availability.
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He’s bern good, he would of bern a threat today. We wont see him play for Villa again
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He’s bern good, he would of bern a threat today. We wont see him play for Villa again
Well that's just capital.
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He’s bern good, he would of bern a threat today. We wont see him play for Villa again
Berb baby Bern, disco inferno!
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The cherry on top of today's great big shit cake.
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He’s bern good, he would of bern a threat today. We wont see him play for Villa again
Berb baby Bern, disco inferno!
Its bern (!) a long day
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He’s bern good, he would of bern a threat today. We wont see him play for Villa again
Berb baby Bern, disco inferno!
Fab 70s track; like Elvis, Berning Love ❤️!
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Out for 2-3 weeks with a hamstring so he's played his last game for us .
Good to see his injury didn't stop him from being at the boxing tonight .
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It’s Bern a hard Days Night
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Good to see his injury didn't stop him from being at the boxing tonight .
And why would it?
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Watkins was there as well. So what.
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Nowt wrong with any of them going to the boxing after a game. I was depressed and it took my mind off it for a bit.
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Are people really having a go out what our players are doing in the evening?
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It's not 'people', it's Cooper's Injury.
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He's playing under a manager who believes in him and a fan base who has taken him to their hearts. It would be madness to leave at this stage.
Have we? Don't fall in love so easily, build-up that heart.
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Are people really having a go out what our players are doing in the evening?
after such an abject , inept no show , i think they should have kept their heads down a bit. Expected nothing less of "Rashy" but Konsa and Watkins should have chosen better options .
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Yawn.
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I don't see the problem with going to watch the boxing. It's hardly like they were centre of attention and lapping up adoration. What did stick in the craw was when some of ours went out clubbing with Arsenal players after the 2015 humiliation.
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Not a bad way to take out your frustrations after a loss on those penguin eating bastards.
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Are people really having a go out what our players are doing in the evening?
I believe what VT is saying is that, rather than being out in public at such a high profile event after a dispiriting defeat, he'd have gone down the cocaine and hookers in a hotel room route.
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Are people really having a go out what our players are doing in the evening?
I believe what VT is saying is that, rather than being out in public at such a high profile event after a dispiriting defeat, he'd have gone down the cocaine and hookers in a hotel room route.
the voice of experience has spoken .
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We've all experienced your posts mate.
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I don't see the problem with going to watch the boxing. It's hardly like they were centre of attention and lapping up adoration. What did stick in the craw was when some of ours went out clubbing with Arsenal players after the 2015 humiliation.
Or Agbonlahor buzzing his tits off on helium after Villa got relegated.
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As he is injured, do we send him back to manchester now - or we still on the hook for his wages?
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Depends what we've agreed with them. There's no one-size-fits-all way these things are done.
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i've read we're on the hook for rashford until early june (deal ran until after the UCL final)
loan deal had no fee, but we cover minimum 75% of his wages (rising to 90% dependent on appearances, goals etc).
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I'd rather he stay with us and we make him feel wanted so that he stays for next season.
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Is he definitely out for the season? Silly question I know.
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Yup, I'd guess that we are on hook for his wages for the duration whatever happens so, as he seems happy here, stay and be treated here and we might get him next year at a rate that suits us both.
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Is he definitely out for the season? Silly question I know.
I don't think it has been confirmed yet. He can't play in our last game anyway because it's against Man U, so he'd need to be back for Tottenham at the latest, if we're going to see him again this season.
More generally, I'd be happy to loan him again. I think he's done pretty well but maybe not enough to justify a transfer fee AND commitment to exorbitant wages, yet.
If some other mob like PSG or Barcelona are willing to take that chance then I'd leave them to it. I'm fairly sure Man U would rather loan him to us again than have him back if those are the only two options. Obviously, that may change if they don't win the Europa League and sack Ruben Interim.
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Orstein says h's likely out for the last 4 matches and is targetting the England friendlies.
Fun while it lasted.
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Yes, I suspect we have seen the last of him in a Villa shirt. Which is a shame.
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Orstein says h's likely out for the last 4 matches and is targetting the England friendlies.
Fun while it lasted.
It's worked well for him. His stock has risen immeasurably, he's back on the England scene and will likely be in demand in the summer.
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Our last game he can play in is 20 days away. So we're looking at a 3 week recovery from a hamstring strain. It really depends on how bad it is. I suspect if there is even a small chance of a recurrence of his injury, he won't want to play a part against Spurs, which I guess is the downside of having loan players.
A real shame if the season ends for him now. I was enjoying watching him play in Claret & Blue. Unless we can pull 5th out of the bag, my guess is that's it.
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And he now gets a rest into the bargain, the work shy waster. (I may not be entirely serious)
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I hope he wants to stay and we find a way to keep him. Players of his calibre playing a full season with us will make a difference. Whatever European competition we end up playing in.
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I said the jury is out for me.
If that is it for him this season then my thoughts are it’s too big a risk.
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I said the jury is out for me.
If that is it for him this season then my thoughts are it’s too big a risk.
Depends where we would plan on playing him really. If it's as a centre forward, then definitely worth considering. If it's to predominantly on the left, that I'm not as sure given it's Rogers and Ramsey's best position (in my opinion).
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BBC News - Marcus Rashford: Aston Villa forward set to miss rest of season with hamstring injury - BBC Sport
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c74zyd932neo
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BBC News - Marcus Rashford: Manchester United forward (on-loan somewhere) set to miss rest of season with hamstring injury - BBC Sport
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c74zyd932neo
Surely it they have changed it to the above now?
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It would have to a pretty minor hamstring injury to play again this season as he can't play play v ManU. So just over 2 weeks to recover and then do a few days training to be available for Spurs.
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And he now gets a rest into the bargain, the work shy waster. (I may not be entirely serious)
Hopefully he'll be fit for the Usyk v Dubois fight.
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He's gone to Dubai today, which sounds like a nice early start to the summer.
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Out the champions league so nothing for him to gain now . Was Amorim right about him ....
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And he now gets a rest into the bargain, the work shy waster. (I may not be entirely serious)
Hopefully he'll be fit for the Usyk v Dubois fight.
Ha ha ha ha
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He won't be picked in the England squad for June if he doesn't show decent form between now and then which he can't cos he's injured.
Oh well, cheers Marcus, what's another few weeks written-off in a career that's gone a bit askew.
Time to give Donny Malen a proper run.
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Reading between the lines, I don't think Rashford has a problem so much with Man U as with Amorin. The latter will surely be gone in the summer, and the new man in might just want to give him a chance
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They'll win the Europa League and he'll stay.
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If he had any intention of staying with Villa he would have been at the game, most players even if they were going to move on would have given support to the players they have been with for weeks. It's Disapointing because I thought he put in the effort on the pitch.
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He won't be signing for us and in all honesty, he never was going to. Malen deserves a proper crack now, we move on.
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Rashford said when he signed that it was only for a short time, so no surprise that he will be off elsewhere.
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He was never signing on a perm deal for Villa and I really don’t care where he ends up, I’m more disappointed in the dip in form of Assensio.
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A curious cameo of a Villa career. He did better than I expected but not remotely enough to justify taking the plunge on his wages. I do think he offered us something different going forward and it can't be denied he got bums off seats at Villa Park when he got the ball. I just hope that now Ollie has no rivals (again) he goes on one of his hot streaks to the end of season.
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Apologies if this has been asked and answered before. Does Rashford's appearances for England count on Villa's roll of honour or Manchester United's?
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Apologies if this has been asked and answered before. Does Rashford's appearances for England count on Villa's roll of honour or Manchester United's?
Manure’s. We didn’t add Kyle Walker to our list.
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Thanks Perce.
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Apologies if this has been asked and answered before. Does Rashford's appearances for England count on Villa's roll of honour or Manchester United's?
Manure’s. We didn’t add Kyle Walker to our list.
He counts on both. We didn't add Kyle Walker because he never played for England while he was with us. Rashford and Carson are both on the list, though.
http://www.englandfootballonline.com/teamclubs/Clubs/AstonVilla.html
One behind Tottenham in full list.
http://www.englandfootballonline.com/teamclubs/MostPlyrs.html
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Ooh! ANOTHER ONE.
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Given it is widely believed that a big chunk of the (daft) money he earns at ManUre is only payable if they are in the CL, if they do win the Europa League and qualify for the CL, they are going to be even more keen to do a deal to get him out - at least for next season.
Not that this necessarily nudges him closer to coming to the Villa. Though it does weaken the negotiating position of ManUre as their liability if he stays there is greater. UTV
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Amorim is talking about leaving now, so maybe they'll just get someone in who wants Rashford back? Not that he should go back, regardless of who the manager is.
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Is Rashford still in Saudi doing his rehab? For all the money we're paying him, you'd think he'd at least be surrounded by his temporary coaches and teammates at Bodymoor. If the other injured players have to sit through hours of classroom-tactics, Rashy should too.
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Amorim is talking about leaving now, so maybe they'll just get someone in who wants Rashford back? Not that he should go back, regardless of who the manager is.
Amorim is only talking about leaving IF they don't improve next season. I expect he is using the threat to the board to act in the summer with getting rid of loads of players at cost, but also if they are 11th, that is an improvement.
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Is Rashford still in Saudi doing his rehab? For all the money we're paying him, you'd think he'd at least be surrounded by his temporary coaches and teammates at Bodymoor. If the other injured players have to sit through hours of classroom-tactics, Rashy should too.
He was in Dubai, but I am pretty sure he's been at Bodymoor today.
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Rashford used us to prove a point, that he is still a good player. Reality is he probably thinks he is too good for us.
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Rashford used us to prove a point, that he is still a good player. Reality is he probably thinks he is too good for us.
On that basis he definitely will not be going back to play for Manure
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Rashford used us to prove a point, that he is still a good player. Reality is he probably thinks he is too good for us.
We used each other , fuck buddies !! I dont think he is an Unai player longterm
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Rashford used us to prove a point, that he is still a good player. Reality is he probably thinks he is too good for us.
We used each other , fuck buddies !! I dont think he is an Unai player longterm
Isn't it prevailing wisdom that he's with us because Unai has loved him for years and wanted us to move heaven and earth to bring him in?
There's a long list of reasons why he might not be with us next season, but I reckon Emery not wanting him is going to be somewhere near the bottom.
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Yeah I think if Unai has the choice, he'll be signed like a shot. I also think he'd be far more effective output wise down the left and could actually forge a very decent partnership with Watkins. Probably a devastating one in some games.
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This might not be entirely correct but I think Emery is persisting with Rodgers as more a right sided midfield player because he wants to play both him and Rashford in the same side. We know Emery tries things in games as well as training to see if something works. It can be risky given the importance of certain games. But we all know he can play central or on on the left, but if we keep Rashford that's his primary position. Rashford is better than Morgan on the left so to have both of them in the same team and firing would be great. I also think regarding signing Rashford, if Emery wants him and Rashford wants to stay the club will find a way to make it happen. Both sides will need to concede something for the contract.
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Surely he is playing Rogers down the right because he wants to play Rogers and Asensio in the same side. Rashford is only taking Rogers potential slot on the left or Watkins through the middle.
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Surely he is playing Rogers down the right because he wants to play Rogers and Asensio in the same side. Rashford is only taking Rogers potential slot on the left or Watkins through the middle.
There are games where you could happily play Rashford left, Rogers central and Malen from the right at home, with Ollie up top. The next step for this team is being more ruthless and getting a few big wins on the board. I see Asensio as a game changer from the bench though, not a guaranteed starter.
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Amorim is comically shit.
How bad have Amorim's United been in the league?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cwyw59p25qlo
Manchester United were already on a downward trajectory when Amorim took over from Ten Hag last year.
The Red Devils sat 14th in the Premier League with three wins from their opening nine matches.
Things were bad, but they got worse.
While a new manager can often bring struggling teams a turn in fortunes or a so-called 'new manager bounce', no such thing has happened at United and instead their dour form has intensified under Amorim.
They have accrued 24 points from 25 league games, dropped to 16th and their win record sits at an uncomfortably low 24%.
Against the 16 non-relegated teams this season they have picked up just 23 points from a possible 87. If results against the three relegated teams were removed from the Premier League, United would sit rock bottom.
Since 26 January, Amorim's side have only beaten relegated duo Ipswich and Leicester in the league.
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I personally think there’s zero chance we’ll sign Rashford for next season
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I'd be delighted with him on loan again.
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Surely he is playing Rogers down the right because he wants to play Rogers and Asensio in the same side. Rashford is only taking Rogers potential slot on the left or Watkins through the middle.
We are carrying Asensio in recent games really. Doesn't make much sense in moving Rogers to accommodate him.
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I personally think there’s zero chance we’ll sign Rashford for next season
Agree . It was that one passing moment on the dance floor.
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Based on the Barca semi final matches, would Rashford get into the team?
I can understand him wanting to go to Barca, but if they're not interested, or can't afford him, you'd have to think we're the "obvious" option for him? Assuming we make CL, of course (and all the financial stuff is workable)
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I don’t think we’ll see him in a Villa shirt again.
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I don't either.
There's no way we'll be signing him permanently, we've got a real wages to turnover problem, and I think that'll be the major issue.
I'd take him for a season on loan, though, he's clearly a fucking good player and certainly good enough to be one of the ones to take us to the next level.
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I personally think there’s zero chance we’ll sign Rashford for next season
Agree . It was that one passing moment on the dance floor.
Such moments can still lead to babies being made.
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Think we will sign him if we qualify for Champions League, at a knockdown price (less than the mooted £40m). If we do I would not be surprised to see Watkins sold, and another striker also come in.
Can't see it happening without the Champions League revenue though.
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Ta ra Marcus. You were OK I suppose.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he plays for us again.
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We don't have first dibs on him, apparently (according to shitty rag The Sun).
Edit: I hadn't read the transfer thread!
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On the BBC there’s over 1000 comments on an article that says pretty much nothing. Great player but I’m not sure the media circus is worth it.
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We don't have first dibs on him, apparently (according to shitty rag The Sun).
Edit: I hadn't read the transfer thread!
I thought that was made clear when the deal was done, we'd agreed a price but there's nothing stopping anyone else offering it.
I would say if we want him, we have an advatage as he knows the place now, seems to have taken to it like a duck to water and vice versa. There's a clear role for him and he comes in as star man, not just a quality option for a club with bigger resources.
And then the other question is who comes in for him. Real Madrid, Barca, PSG, Bayern are well stocked in his position, Inter or possibly Napoli might be options. In this country I think you can rule out Liverpool or Man City, Newcastle again have Gordon and Barnes but might have a go, I'd think maybe Arsenal would look at him.
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On the BBC there’s over 1000 comments on an article that says pretty much nothing. Great player but I’m not sure the media circus is worth it.
Unless the "media circus" effects his play, I couldn't care less.
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I think Arsenal could definitely use him.
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I think Arsenal could definitely use him.
They could indeed, but then again you have to work for Arteta.
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And then the other question is who comes in for him. Real Madrid, Barca, PSG, Bayern are well stocked in his position, Inter or possibly Napoli might be options. In this country I think you can rule out Liverpool or Man City, Newcastle again have Gordon and Barnes but might have a go, I'd think maybe Arsenal would look at him.
Depending on how next Wednesday goes, Spurs have a nice opening in the nominally-on-the-left-but-drifts-centrally position given Son's advancing years and Werner going back to Germany for being rubbish.
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It'll be Villa or abroad, IMO. I am basing this on absolutely nothing.
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And then the other question is who comes in for him. Real Madrid, Barca, PSG, Bayern are well stocked in his position, Inter or possibly Napoli might be options. In this country I think you can rule out Liverpool or Man City, Newcastle again have Gordon and Barnes but might have a go, I'd think maybe Arsenal would look at him.
Depending on how next Wednesday goes, Spurs have a nice opening in the nominally-on-the-left-but-drifts-centrally position given Son's advancing years and Werner going back to Germany for being rubbish.
I was concentrating on serious football clubs.
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Werner, God, I forgot about him. Is he gonna play tonight ?
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I think Arsenal could definitely use him.
They could indeed, but then again you have to work for Arteta.
For a couple of months at least, maybe not by Xmas though.
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Werner, God, I forgot about him. Is he gonna play tonight ?
Another one out for the season.
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Got a feeling Rashford wouldn't be a success abroad, dunno why ...
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I'm sure I read somewhere that he doesn't want to go to London.
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And then the other question is who comes in for him. Real Madrid, Barca, PSG, Bayern are well stocked in his position, Inter or possibly Napoli might be options. In this country I think you can rule out Liverpool or Man City, Newcastle again have Gordon and Barnes but might have a go, I'd think maybe Arsenal would look at him.
Depending on how next Wednesday goes, Spurs have a nice opening in the nominally-on-the-left-but-drifts-centrally position given Son's advancing years and Werner going back to Germany for being rubbish.
if Levy coughs the wages, I agree; unless London is a no-no for Rashy...
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And then the other question is who comes in for him. Real Madrid, Barca, PSG, Bayern are well stocked in his position, Inter or possibly Napoli might be options. In this country I think you can rule out Liverpool or Man City, Newcastle again have Gordon and Barnes but might have a go, I'd think maybe Arsenal would look at him.
Depending on how next Wednesday goes, Spurs have a nice opening in the nominally-on-the-left-but-drifts-centrally position given Son's advancing years and Werner going back to Germany for being rubbish.
if Levy coughs the wages, I agree; unless London is a no-no for Rashy...
But if you have a straight choice between us in (say Europa), and Spurs in CL - would Spurs really be a more attractive offer? Your joing a team that needs a complete rebuild - and a manager that is only there because of a Europa league win
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There's talk Ange will be sacked even if they win, but regardless, I wouldn't want to go to a team where the manager who signed you could be sacked next week, or indeed a team where the manager has very little to do with the signings. We have a really good structure here when it comes to signing players, and the stability of knowing Uni will be here for the foreseeable.
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I think its most likely going to be limited by if we can afford him. I think also the fact that FFP means we have to sell... which means you have to buy may well end in us buying him.
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Has Rashford got babbies? The camera panned to him with one bouncing on his lap.
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think that was probably his nephew
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Disappointed he wasn't doing the walk around on the pitch unless my eyes were still adjusting from the bloody sun in the lower Holte!
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📲 Marcus Rashford on Instagram:
“Just a message of thanks to everyone here at Villa for what has (injury aside) been an incredible few months for me. It’s a really special club & I appreciated the way Villa fans embraced me with open arms from the 1st minute on the pitch. Manager, team & coaching staff have all been brilliant. I know it is a huge disappointment not to have made the Champions League which everyone worked so hard all season for, but I know this club & team will come back stronger.” 💜
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Nice words from him - sadly he won’t be back, because he’s a cracking player.
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Thank you to everyone at Aston Villa for rehabilitating my reputation to the extent that I will now get a move to the big European club that I crave.
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I think it seems pretty genuine. Let’s be honest without the impact he and Asensio made there’s a good chance we wouldn’t be in Europe at all.
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Would be happy to see him back. No idea how feasible that is.
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I’d be delighted, just can’t see it.
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Thank you to everyone at Aston Villa for rehabilitating my reputation to the extent that I will now get a move to the big European club that I crave.
He epitomized professionalism in his time here. Never said a bad word. Gave his all coming from a position of not playing much to showing his ability. I for one very much hope he returns as unlikely as that might seem now. But I don’t know how anyone can be cynical about his time with us or that message.
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I think it was pretty clear what the deal was when he came in January. He did his bit and if he gets the big move he wants then he's earned it. Good luck to him.
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Doubt he’ll be back, but nice message and I really enjoyed watching him play. He made things happen for us in most games he played. Excellent player for us.
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Thank you to everyone at Aston Villa for rehabilitating my reputation to the extent that I will now get a move to the big European club that I crave.
He epitomized professionalism in his time here. Never said a bad word. Gave his all coming from a position of not playing much to showing his ability. I for one very much hope he returns as unlikely as that might seem now. But I don’t know how anyone can be cynical about his time with us or that message.
Thought he was great at times, a good cut above what we have going forward and showed what we miss without pace etc.
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He won 't be back, enjoyed watching him play a pure thoroughbred top level player .
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Wouldn't be shocked to see him at Chelsea, Spurs or maybe Newcastle when they sell Isak.
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Wouldn't be shocked to see him at Chelsea, Spurs or maybe Newcastle when they sell Isak.
I suspect it depends on his wage demands and how close they are to the thresholds. But two could definitely sign him.
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May have changed his mind but I'm sure I read he didn't want to go to London.
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His mind is set on playing abroad, but ultimately he might be stymied into whichever team pays for him and offers wages he will accept.
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I think his loan spell with us overall has been successful
He has made the difference in certain games, pity about the injury
Having said all that I’ve never been that keen on signing him
He’s been great while he’s been with us model professional, but that’s only a few months and I just wouldn’t trust him on a 2/3 year contract, thats obviously because of the things I’ve seen and read, but that’s just the way it is
If we got the Rashford of the last six months then fine, but I’m not sure we would on a longer term
It will be interesting where he ends up to see whether my doubts were unfounded or not
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Nice little message and a shame we wont be signing him as he showed some real top level quality when he was here. Think he may end up abroad as that seems like where he wants to go.
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You can only appreciate how he influenced games for Villa, I don't think he will be interested in coming to Villa now, we had a chance with the CL but not now.
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He's talking in the past tense, so not coming back. Would be the left sided player we really need.
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Shame he didn't get to finish out the season, get a little clap from the fans for his efforts. If he goes abroad unlikely he'll be back at VP for a retrospective clap. Oh well. I think the whole thing is a glowing advertisement for the club anyway.
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I wonder how differently things might have turned out if he’d been fit for the semi final against Palace.
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Romano
🚨 Marcus Rashford will return to Man United after loan to Aston Villa… and will be available for £40m this summer.
Same price as buy option clause into his Villa loan contract available also to other clubs.
Rashford will assess all options ahead of the summer transfer window.
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I think his loan spell with us overall has been successful
He has made the difference in certain games, pity about the injury
Having said all that I’ve never been that keen on signing him
He’s been great while he’s been with us model professional, but that’s only a few months and I just wouldn’t trust him on a 2/3 year contract, thats obviously because of the things I’ve seen and read, but that’s just the way it is
If we got the Rashford of the last six months then fine, but I’m not sure we would on a longer term
It will be interesting where he ends up to see whether my doubts were unfounded or not
This is a perfect example of my feelings towards the time with us. I hope he does find the right club.
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Ah well it's his loss. We should close this thread now.
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Ah well it's his loss. We should close this thread now.
He's gone back to Man U because that's who he is contracted to. Where has he said he's not coming back to us?
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He's not even if wanted to. With us being limited to a wage bill 70% of turnover next season by UEFA and loss of CL money there is a cat in hell's chance of Rashford returning. We have some major adjustment issues this coming season.
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He's not even if wanted to. With us being limited to a wage bill 70% of turnover next season by UEFA and loss of CL money there is a cat in hell's chance of Rashford returning. We have some major adjustment issues this coming season.
So if we can’t solve that issue what’s the penalty?
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Monetary fines to start with then escalation to possibly exclusion from UEFA tournaments.
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He's not even if wanted to. With us being limited to a wage bill 70% of turnover next season by UEFA and loss of CL money there is a cat in hell's chance of Rashford returning. We have some major adjustment issues this coming season.
It’s 80% isn’t it then 70% the season after. Also we did comply with the 90% figure as due to shifting our year end we were at 86% not the 96% quoted. Also with the extra money in this years accounts Diaby/Duran/CL to start with apparently we’ll be compliant with the 80% as well.
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There are better left sided attacking players available from Manchester clubs……
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Monetary fines to start with then escalation to possibly exclusion from UEFA tournaments.
Can we not just throw a team of top barristers at it and gridlock the process for years and carry on regardless .
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He was a good option, as was Asensio, but I’d have been thinking we could spend our money better elsewhere even before we missed CL qualification.
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I’m happy for NSWE to chuck large quantities of money at me to fight this.
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Monetary fines to start with then escalation to possibly exclusion from UEFA tournaments.
One to weigh up that. Maybe worth risking a fine this time around?
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Worked out OK for Nottingham Forest.
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Two point fine would have meant Conference league for us and them in the Europa this season if we had taken it. And that assumes we would have only got a two point fine. If we didn't sell anyone, we would have maybe had more.
And UEFA could just turn around and state no Europe the following season IF we breached their rules.
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Two point fine would have meant Conference league for us and them in the Europa this season if we had taken it. And that assumes we would have only got a two point fine. If we didn't sell anyone, we would have maybe had more.
And UEFA could just turn around and state no Europe the following season IF we breached their rules.
Two point fine would have meant Conference league for us and them in the Europa this season if we had taken it. And that assumes we would have only got a two point fine. If we didn't sell anyone, we would have maybe had more.
And UEFA could just turn around and state no Europe the following season IF we breached their rules.
Ah so uefa wouldn’t necessarily fine us first but go to a ban. I was thinking if a fine is the punishment then pay it and it gives us time to get the salary ratio in line with their requirements.
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Uefa has not banned Chelsea who I'm pretty sure we're over their spending rules because they don't accept the hotel or women's team sales. Yet.
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Uefa has not banned Chelsea who I'm pretty sure we're over their spending rules because they don't accept the hotel or women's team sales. Yet.
Still under investigation isn't it?
And WV, they banned Juve* a couple of years ago. I've no idea if it will be a fine or a ban, but maybe, especially if they suspect we deliberately breached rules thinking we can pay off any fine, the punishment might be more severe.
*It was over a period of years when Juve were playing in Europe and lying to UEFA during that time for competitions, and they were only in the Conference that season anyway so it might not be that severe.
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It seems very unlikely he'll join permanently now, which is disappointing, as I think that if he'd had chance to put in a full pre-season with Emery and his team commiting to him as our number 9, and building our attack around the pace and dynamism of him, Rogers, Malen, JJ etc. it really would have taken us to another level.
His loan spell was overall a success - I don't remember him dropping a truly poor game at any point. And amidst what were generally 7.5/10 performances, there were glimpses of the top level we could reach with him up front and his ability to totally change a game with world-class quality, which ultimately I think would have taken us to a higher ceiling than we can have with Watkins (as much as I love him).
Despite the expected idiots in the media when he first arrived, there were never any questions about his personality, commitment and professionalism, and I really think he'd have thrived under Unai, so I'm clinging to the 10% chance he might rock up in July. But sadly it seems unlikely - wish him the best.