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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Smirker on January 26, 2025, 06:36:20 PM
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too many games like that now . Getting to predictible
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Great first 15 or so, absolute bobbins after that.
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Complete and utter garbage
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Usual shit.
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Disappointing again. Not sure what it is, why teams can disrupt our play so easily. On to Wednesday.
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oh and 40 million on Maatesen , not saying hes poor , Im sure he is ok but £40 million .
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80 minutes of shite. We're not close to being good enough defensively to play like that and hope to win.
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The Mings injury was the turning point. Totally threw us and took the wind out of our sails .
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It’s over. I think that’s the only positive I’ve got.
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Great fast one touch football to begin with.
Unlucky to lose Mings although makes Monchi look even more suspect.
Second half we didn’t seem to battle for the fifty fifties and midfield went same way as defence.
From there we lose control.
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Will we even get into Europe next season? Can we turn this around I wonder
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Yes, the ref was shit, but we were worse. You have to be good enough to negate shit referees and bad luck if you want to do something in this league. We were last season. We're not this season. Tough to say, but true.
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Felt like two upper midtable teams battling it out which it probably is now that they have a good manager. WHam looked the team more likely to win. Disappointing again.
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Terrible decision to play Digne in cb. Kamara and Konsa were both superb, the rest ranged from middling to woeful
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Looked lively sporadically going forward but dispossessed too easily and too many loose balls
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The Mings injury was the turning point. Totally threw us and took the wind out of our sails .
That’s open to debate.
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The draw/West Ham was 4-1 at HT. So at least not as overdrawn as I was earlier.
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Excellent for 15 min, awful thereafter. Lucky to get a point in the end.
Kamara our best palyer by a country mile.
With the excepetion of Malen, each substitution made us much worse.
Special metion to Maatsen who put in one of the worst cameos I have ever seen from a sub.
Ref was as bad as our 2nd half performance.
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We wont be challenging for Europe if we only turn up for 15 mins each game. I've tried hard to be patient but Maatsen is not showing anything like what I expected from him.
The ref was very, very poor. Funny how we keep getting officials like this !
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We have been poor for ages, and Unai doesn't look to know how to snap us out of it properly.
Monchi is also going to have some big questions to answer if we find ourselves with one fit centre half.
Looking shit against utter dross like West Ham, it's not good enough.
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Kamara is great.
Digne is cockeyed. McGinn at No10 isn't a thing.We have attacking coaches, defending coaches, set piece coaches....where are the passing to your own player coaches?
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We started off pressing then we scored and allowed them to slow the game down. The rest of the season will be tough.
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It's the expectation that kills you.
Painful viewing yet again.
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Absolute Blues referee, no way they should be finishing with 11 on the pitch. I think it peaked when they fouled us, we were playing on and about to break and then he blew up and pulled it back. Utterly fucking brain dead performance.
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Abysmal, lots of passengers out there today. We switched off the second our goal was disallowed for offside and never switched back on. Shocking to witness such a spineless performance. It's hard to know how to fix this. Need a spine in the team.
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I know it's easy to be wise after the event but ditching our one fit senior reserve cb before getting another in...?
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The ref was crap and the Mings injury was far from ideal but I don't think they excuse how to shit we went.
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
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Kamara the only one with credit
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Mings injury was the turning point. But it obviously wasn’t working the way we set up after he went off.
Digne wasn’t working at all and it was causing panic throughout the defence. Emery should have changed that rather than just watching it play out. You could argue as we were winning for a good chunk of that time that we didn’t need to but we could all feel the change in momentum and it had an air of inevitability about it, again.
We seem to hang onto the ball a long time even in crossing positions so that when we finally try and move the ball it gets closed down. Infuriating.
I really hope that Real Madrid or someone don’t spot how much better Kamara is than the rest of our squad.
I don’t think I’m need to pay as much attention to other teams results as I have been.
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did nothing after 8 mins - pathetic, passive, slow, disjointed.
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The first 20 minutes were fantastic. Constant pressing, winning second balls and getting into the final third. Mings goes off, we shift Digne inside and become unorganized. Combine that with no Unai on the sideline, I can understand why we became so lackluster.
Combination of unfortunate circumstances today.
Cash really needed to help Malen as the senior player. They were poor when called on to defend together. The back post was a freebie.
I have no idea how we landed Kamara. The guy just goes about his business, never shirks a tackle and dazzles in possession from back to front. He can play for any club he wants.
On to Celtic!
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Great first 10 mins, rally poor last 80. Rubbish.
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It doesn’t directly correlate but we basically lost all sense of control and coherence when Digne went to centre back. That is an error entirely of our making - leaving ourselves with two senior centre backs for a game (voluntarily) has probably cost us two points. I don’t tend to comment on refs but Bankes was awful.
Bouba - magnificent as always.
Emi - really poor, incredibly shaky and lucky not to lose us the game at the end. He’s made some amazing saves this season, but his general level/decision making has been off.
Another game where we completely lost our way. Not good enough.
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First 15 mins. Brilliant.
The rest, you could see it coming and lucky to get the draw in the end.
Digne and Maatsen shocking, Duran demonstrating exactly why he is Ollie’s understudy and absolutely not a starter. Offers nothing if he’s not scoring worldies. Needs to up the work rate MASSIVELY.
Not shocked at the result…. Quite pleased with it tbh, as when Ollie, JJ and Rogers went off we offered absolutely nothing going forward.
Onto Celtic. DONT FUCK IT UP VILLA!
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Rubbish performance, rubbish ref, rubbish result.
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Do worry for Mings now and if that knee is ever going to be strong enough for the rigours of this league .
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Might be one of those seasons.
In complete control, Mings cops an unfortunate one and we're lucky, in the end, to hold on to a draw against muck like that.
Danny Ings and Wan Bissaka looked almost Brazilian at times out there this afternoon. That's when you know you've got issues.
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Mings was first injured after half an hour but we were losing our way before that.
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It was all a bit slow and indecisive for 80 minutes .
we made Wan Bissaka look like Cafu
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Might be one of those seasons.
In complete control, Mings cops an unfortunate one and we're lucky, in the end, to hold on to a draw against muck like that.
Danny Ings and Wan Bissaka looked almost Brazilian at times out there this afternoon. That's when you know you've got issues.
Yeah but that point on Ings and Wan Bissaka is entirely on us. We had no control and defended dreadfully against them.
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Wanks ( Banks) gave them everything and all the duels they won . Couldnt pass to our own players , Luca was terrible at CB with possession out and obviously Maatsen so the left side was dire . Rogers should have been rested , keeps losing the ball . Didnt think Ollie was too bad to be fair and Buendia needs to go ( heard he has a new contract).
Konsa was good to be fair , saved us a few times and Kamara give him a new contract quick.
If they had bowen and Summerville starting , we would have been in serious trouble and Martinez is having a weird season .
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Lack of pace, lack of movement, lack of creativity. After 10 minutes, we went to shit and it was a painful watch. The table doesn't lie. Kamara was good but the rest of them, even Martinez were below par.
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The Mings injury was the turning point. Totally threw us and took the wind out of our sails .
You’re entitled to your opinion but that’s miles off.
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Even before the Mings injury, Potter tweaked things tactically after 15 minutes and we were never in control after that. I thought Unai's birds-eye view might give him a different perspective in how to wrestle the game back but our whole term was bird-brained for much of the game after.
We were lucky they are more hit by injuries than we are. I think they win that with Bowen playing.
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Pako out.
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Won't criticise Emery often, but he had better options than to move Digne to CB after the injury. Bogarde or Kamara would have been much better there.
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Disapointing - started well - but like to often this season only good in patches. Story of our season - not a disaster but disapointing.
I thought the ref did well to get progressively worse from a low bar - and sensible of potter to bring 19 off before his 5 booking.
Digne at centre half was a fucking nightmare - lost all composure and easily his worse performance - compounded by matassen putting in 3 poor performance in a week.
I thought that youri and Kamara were our best players. Ramsey and Malden showed promise. Obama and Barkley would have been handy. Bailey needs to be out the team - it’s just not happening for him. Beundia looked lively but lacked quality.
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Mings going off changed everything. Happy enough with a point in the end, we can't really expect to be winning PL games with no defender comfortable competing in the air. .
Positives - Konsa had his best game in a while, Ramsey was very strong. Bailey was decent I thought. Kamara strong yet again in midfield.
Negatives, Martinez was a joke, unsurprisingly we ran out of legs, Maatsen brutal again, limited impact off the bench in general but Emery got subs wrong again anyway. Rogers was dreadful and should have been first man off, not Bailey. No reason to take Ramsey off after playing 5 mins in Monaco. Instead we had likes of Cash and Tielemans completely gassed last 20 mins and all subs used.
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January to date we’ve managed to beat Leicester at home somewhat unconvincingly and been outplayed much of the time over 180 minutes against a West Ham team deprived of much of their cutting edge. Chuck Monaco into the mix and it all stacks up to mediocrity.
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Garbage for 85 mins
Lack of intensity unbelievable.
We bring on fresh legs up front and play tippy tappy at the back. Twice we nearly conceded from fucking about.
Can you imagine, Ings nearly scored twice.
Martinez had some dodgy moments, but a special mention to Kamara who was outstanding.
Not sure you can totally blame the players as it is the way they are set up to play.
I guess the price of any centre back on our radar has just gone up.
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Can't say I'm a big fan of players who have done the square root of nothing so far this season cupping their ear when they finally score. Reminds me not so fondly of Andi Weimann.
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If Digne is at CH against Celtic god help us. Why Uni didn't tweek it during the 2nd half was strange. It seems obvious now that this squad can't compete with the demands of CL and top League prerformances. Lack of depth, experience and injuries are ultimately going to cost us this season and it could well fizzle out...
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We've looked iffy for most of the season. The occasional quality game here and there only serves to emphasise how poor we usually look. It feels like we play with the handbrake on most of the time, and even then the players somehow manage to look exhausted.
It's starting to get a bit worrying, to be honest.
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Far too many games this season it feels we've played well for 15 mins and that's it. It's all well and good saving legs for April, not so good if you're out of contention for anything by then.
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Pako out.
he is unbeaten although Pants !! :)
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
Ha ha, this! You’ ve must cheered me up mate
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What’s that meant to mean?
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It's not very often I post anymore, because I'm rarely this annoyed and feel the need to get something off my chest.
If the club want to save some money and drop this team of so called data statistical analytic transfer experts then I'd suggest fuck them all off and give Dean Smith the job of recruitment and Emery the job of coaching.
Because at the minute it appears our strongest team is 20/21 minus Grealish plus Digne.
And don't get me started on how this 'professional' recruitment team has left us a centre back short going into a CL decider.
Sheer fucking incompetence.
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If Digne is at CH against Celtic god help us. Why Uni didn't tweek it during the 2nd half was strange. It seems obvious now that this squad can't compete with the demands of CL and top League prerformances. Lack of depth, experience and injuries are ultimately going to cost us this season and it could well fizzle out...
Is called FFP mate
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
I seriously doubt it.
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I thought Kamara, Ollie, Ramsey and Bailey played really well. Once Mings went off it was hard, but we still should have made the most of some of the good play. Again final decision making let us down. That’s been the story of our season, we just can’t finish teams off and take our chances to get a comfortable lead.
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What’s that meant to mean?
I think it means 'they like the Drama Mick !'
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Rubbish again from us. There's no fluency to our game. We need a rethink how we approach attacking teams and need some defensive reinforcements, not from the 2nd division either.
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Malden showed promise.
He was good in Streets of San Francisco
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Thought we were going to blow them away for the first 15, passing beautifully between there lines. Then we went back to looking slow and lethargic for the rest of the game.
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Won't criticise Emery often, but he had better options than to move Digne to CB after the injury. Bogarde or Kamara would have been much better there.
Well in his head I m sure he saw balance but Digne was a fish out of water
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Obama and Barkley would have been handy.
Dont tell Trump that :)
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What’s that meant to mean?
What do you think it means?
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Cash was not happy with Malen for their equaliser.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/aston-villa-vs-west-ham/report/506027
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Mings injury was a factor to a certain extent, but that doesn't account for the way our attacks were constantly breaking down due to woeful passing, can't remember us creating a decent chance 2nd half, we were fortunate to get away with a draw.
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Cash was not happy with Malen for their equaliser.
A few times he got double teamed as we failed to close down the cross from the other side , scary shit
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What’s that meant to mean?
What do you think it means?
Do us all a favour and Keep your thoughts inside your head.
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I'm not going to have a go at Digne, he was at least a nasty bastard all game and that's about as good as one can hope for.
Martinez had a shocker, goodness me he got lucky at the end there. Didn't come for the first as well, not good enough and he'll know it.
Overall, too many players having off-days too often. Rogers somehow contriving to turn chances into goalkicks, Tielemans doesn't know if he's playing 6 (*4), 8, or 10 and ends up playing none of them, Cash very game but doing a lot of Nigel Reo-Cokering (i.e. driving runs to nowhere), both Duran and Watkins being selfish and selfless at exactly the wrong moments, all of that. We're like a malfunctioning watch right now.
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Cash was not happy with Malen for their equaliser.
Hence why he’s not starting yet ahead of Bailey.
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What does this even mean ? Why would any of us be happy troll?
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What does this even mean ? Why would any of us be happy troll?
Can you let the mods moderate thanks.
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
That's a very stupid comment.
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Remember West Ham only had one fit CB and no forwards. it just looks unlikely at the moment that we are going to go on a dominate winning run and push ourselves higher up the league.
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No one will be buzzing after that performance .
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After last season's abberation, its performances like that that remind me of what supporting Villa is all about. It's mostly bobbins, so normal service has been resumed.
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McPhee on set piece coaching, chocolate teapot comes to mind. I know it's up to the players to execute the basics, but this was atrocious at every level.
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Remember West Ham only had one fit CB and no forwards. it just looks unlikely at the moment that we are going to go on a dominate winning run and push ourselves higher up the league.
i have the same feeling as do many non H&V fans I talk to
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What’s that meant to mean?
What do you think it means?
Do us all a favour and Keep your thoughts inside your head.
Why should he do that?
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Im disappointed tonight.
A very winnable game but again after a veey good opening 20 mins we were poor. Ok the mings injury was bad but always a risk of this happening. The attacking play was so bad at times and again no urgency.
Is it a lot to ask for a good performance for 90 mins? I think i can count on one hand how many of those we have had this season?
We spent 80m on onana and maatsen. Onanas never fit, and maatsen looks shocking defensively at times.
Injuries and fatigue are definitely having a impact here
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What’s that meant to mean?
What do you think it means?
Do us all a favour and Keep your thoughts inside your head.
Why should he do that?
Why you encouraging him? Very strange comment
Only you found it funny which is very wierd itself
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What does this even mean ? Why would any of us be happy troll?
You’re one of the most negative Villa fans ever. I wouldn’t be surprised if you celebrated the equaliser.
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Im disappointed tonight.
A very winnable game but again after a veey good opening 20 mins we were poor. Ok the mings injury was bad but always a risk of this happening. The attacking play was so bad at times and again no urgency.
Is it a lot to ask for a good performance for 90 mins? I think i can count on one hand how many of those we have had this season?
We spent 80m on onana and maatsen. Onanas never fit, and maatsen looks shocking defensively at times.
Injuries and fatigue are definitely having a impact here
Crikey for you that is positive
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A horrible game. We just look knackered and have done for a while now.Both physically and mentally. Concentration and decision making a little low. I’m sure it will come back. I wake up every morning remembering where we were. I would rather be where we are than where we were. We are for sure not the finished article but we are a more attractive place now. We need to continue moving forward. There may be a few ups and downs along the way but I feel sure we’ll get there. Or I might just be naively positive.
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After about 15 minutes it looked like West Ham were the more drilled organised accomplished side aiming for Europe .
We need to address that quickly
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What does this even mean ? Why would any of us be happy troll?
You’re one of the most negative Villa fans ever. I wouldn’t be surprised if you celebrated the equaliser.
Indeed
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What does this even mean ? Why would any of us be happy troll?
You’re one of the most negative Villa fans ever. I wouldn’t be surprised if you celebrated the equaliser.
Yet your the one calling out a host of posters and more interested in causing trouble and starting arguments. Thats not only negative but toxic.
You been asked to stop so please stop with this nonsense
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We've looked iffy for most of the season. The occasional quality game here and there only serves to emphasise how poor we usually look. It feels like we play with the handbrake on most of the time, and even then the players somehow manage to look exhausted.
It's starting to get a bit worrying, to be honest.
Unai obviously tweaked our setup and tactics in the summer, but the new system, whatever it is, just doesn't work.
It's almost like we willing give up control. Midfield becomes a turnstyle, nothing sticks up front. What happened to the days when we'd press teams and keep them pinned in? Bring back the high line if that's what it takes. Watching the match today was like watching our season in microcosm.
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Did well to get ahead but then we can’t seem to put teams to the sword, they looked a disorganised rabble for the first 20 minutes and we didn’t kill it. After that fairly even game and they deserved their point to be fair to them. The referee was an absolute bellend for everyone. Take the point and move on.
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What does this even mean ? Why would any of us be happy troll?
You’re one of the most negative Villa fans ever. I wouldn’t be surprised if you celebrated the equaliser.
Indeed
Give it a rest your boring everyone. you go have a hard on with villaboy over DM we want to talk about the game not this nonsense
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Can we get back to discussing how shit we were, please.
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After about 15 minutes it looked like West Ham were the more drilled organised accomplished side aiming for Europe .
We need to address that quickly
That’ll be the new manager bounce *nods sagely
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Do worry for Mings now and if that knee is ever going to be strong enough for the rigours of this league .
It was the other knee.
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What does this even mean ? Why would any of us be happy troll?
You’re one of the most negative Villa fans ever. I wouldn’t be surprised if you celebrated the equaliser.
Indeed
Give it a rest your boring everyone. you go have a hard on with villaboy over DM we want to talk about the game not this nonsense
Like I said, you can pack it in as well.
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After about 15 minutes it looked like West Ham were the more drilled organised accomplished side aiming for Europe .
We need to address that quickly
That’ll be the new manager bounce *nods sagely
Ha ha of course, he wont fancy that again !
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A summer of thinking how to approach next season looms for Emery, under the systems and style this season we've looked very. very average with few stand out performances and the defense is a millstone around our neck.
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Well that was a bit dispiriting.
Had to hang on. They had a couple of simple tactics that worked over and over.
Maatsen needs a run of games I think, and he'll be better with Torres inside him.
Digne just kept getting caught.
Rogers and Ramsey were our best two I thought, Ramsey looks like he's getting back to his best.
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Another bits and pieces performance. We looked good for a bit then went to pieces after Ty went off.
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Well that was a bit dispiriting.
Had to hang on. They had a couple of simple tactics that worked over and over.
Maatsen needs a run of games I think, and he'll be better with Torres inside him.
Digne just kept getting caught.
Rogers and Ramsey were our best two I thought, Ramsey looks like he's getting back to his best.
Digne was very frustrating, Maatsen kept making forward runs and instead of passing early to set him away, kept delaying until Maatsen check his run and then passed. Meaning Maatsen was heading backwards, and there's nowt scarier for our own defence than Maatsen coming backwards!
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I like how we started with some pace in our play.
Then it turned to dross. Again.
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Is that the third game on the trot Soucek cost them a last minute goal?
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This is a prime example of an inadequate standard refereeing ruining and altering the course of a match. Unacceptable.
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Once the current mood settles back down we will still find ourselves 4 points off 4th place and with a realistic chance of automatic qualification of the CL knockout phase. This season hasn’t been an easy watch most of the time but somehow, amazingly we are close to objectives we set at the start of the season. It’s not been as bad as it feels.
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
Ha ha, this! You’ ve must cheered me up mate
Love (and Risso) don't live here anymore.
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Once the current mood settles back down we will still find ourselves 4 points off 4th place and with a realistic chance of automatic qualification of the CL knockout phase. This season hasn’t been an easy watch most of the time but somehow, amazingly we are close to objectives we set at the start of the season. It’s not been as bad as it feels.
Absolutely yet here I am all grumpy !!
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Peter Bankes once again failed to control the game, allowing persistent niggling - mainly be the away team - to morf into downright cheating. That aside, Villa were poor and ceded control of the game far too easily. The drop-off in intensity after scoring has become a regular feature, and Emery is delinquent in not addressing it. Furthermore, his overplaying of a clearly-knackered Rogers is concerning.
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Once the current mood settles back down we will still find ourselves 4 points off 4th place and with a realistic chance of automatic qualification of the CL knockout phase. This season hasn’t been an easy watch most of the time but somehow, amazingly we are close to objectives we set at the start of the season. It’s not been as bad as it feels.
[/quote It’s been every bit as bad as it feels.
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What does this even mean ? Why would any of us be happy troll?
You’re one of the most negative Villa fans ever. I wouldn’t be surprised if you celebrated the equaliser.
Indeed
Give it a rest your boring everyone. you go have a hard on with villaboy over DM we want to talk about the game not this nonsense
Bloody hell that makes a change, all I ve seen from you is moan about the game not talking about it
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Once the current mood settles back down we will still find ourselves 4 points off 4th place and with a realistic chance of automatic qualification of the CL knockout phase. This season hasn’t been an easy watch most of the time but somehow, amazingly we are close to objectives we set at the start of the season. It’s not been as bad as it feels.
This would have been pure fantasy a few years ago. Fully agree with you
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Peter Bankes once again failed to control the game, allowing persistent niggling - mainly be the away team - to morf into downright cheating. That aside, Villa were poor and ceded control of the game far too easily. The drop-off in intensity after scoring has become a regular feature, and Emery is delinquent in not addressing it. Furthermore, his overplaying of a clearly-knackered Rogers is concerning.
I think you’re right , the niggling did us over
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Once the current mood settles back down we will still find ourselves 4 points off 4th place and with a realistic chance of automatic qualification of the CL knockout phase. This season hasn’t been an easy watch most of the time but somehow, amazingly we are close to objectives we set at the start of the season. It’s not been as bad as it feels.
This would have been pure fantasy a few years ago. Fully agree with you
Also we could be Spurzzzz! (snigger)
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Not worth going over the whole team. Suffice it to say that playing Digne in the middle was an odd choice.
I’ve mostly had faith that Unai was building up for a strong second half of the season, but that is a little fainter as we progress beyond 20 games with little improvement in sight (though would have been a whole lot stronger with the extra two points - small margins, so maybe no need to panic).
We look like the Jaudis last year - actually a bit better, but in a similar inconsistent loop.
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In the end I was happy with the point as that had last-minute West Ham winner written all over it (thankfully they were offside). Konsa had his best game for a while and Kamara was magnificent - world class.
Something is badly wrong with the team at the moment. The summer signings have not improved the side at all and we are floundering in the league and the champions league. We’re trying to play at the top level with the same defence we had 2/3 years ago.
Special mention to the referee who was abysmal. He looked completely lost and made the wrong decision time and time again, like he’d bought into the narrative that “West Ham are a physical side” and constantly made allowances for it.
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Bloody hell that makes a change, all I ve seen from you is moan about the game not talking about it
Word to the wise jwarry, two mods have asked people to pack in the personal attacks already. Might be worth following their direction.
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
What does this even mean ? Why would any of us be happy troll?
You’re one of the most negative Villa fans ever. I wouldn’t be surprised if you celebrated the equaliser.
Yet your the one calling out a host of posters and more interested in causing trouble and starting arguments. Thats not only negative but toxic.
You been asked to stop so please stop with this nonsense
Don’t act all innocent now that someone has called you out. You’re responsible for dragging this forum into the dirt with your constant negativity.
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See previous match thread…..and repeat.
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We've looked iffy for most of the season. The occasional quality game here and there only serves to emphasise how poor we usually look. It feels like we play with the handbrake on most of the time, and even then the players somehow manage to look exhausted.
It's starting to get a bit worrying, to be honest.
Unai obviously tweaked our setup and tactics in the summer, but the new system, whatever it is, just doesn't work.
It's almost like we willing give up control. Midfield becomes a turnstyle, nothing sticks up front. What happened to the days when we'd press teams and keep them pinned in? Bring back the high line if that's what it takes. Watching the match today was like watching our season in microcosm.
Spot on both.
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Do worry for Mings now and if that knee is ever going to be strong enough for the rigours of this league .
It was the other knee.
Phew , that's a relief and was good to see him come back out and onto the bench. Hopefully he won't be out long.
Genuinely felt Mings going off swung the game , we lost all leadership and organisation after and the injury seemed to spook everybody.
We started like an absolute train and should have been 2 up .
Moving Digne to CB looks a mistake to me .
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I felt the subs were abit ineffective. Buendia and mcginn struggled to make impact. Malen looked lively but frustrated at times as didnt pass the ball. Will need to work on that.
Thought maatsen was the worst out of the subs. He was pretty bad. Cant believe he played for dortmund on what ive seen so far
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Great fast one touch football to begin with.
Unlucky to lose Mings although makes Monchi look even more suspect.
Second half we didn’t seem to battle for the fifty fifties and midfield went same way as defence.
From there we lose control.
Monchi is a concern tbh, when Roma lost Alison to Liverpool he replaced him with Olsen.... Let that sink in.
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Bloody hell that makes a change, all I ve seen from you is moan about the game not talking about it
Word to the wise jwarry, two mods have asked people to pack in the personal attacks already. Might be worth following their direction.
Ok Som but they are really pissing me off . I’m Claret and Blue through and through and I was down the park in our darkest days so to to be negative about our current stat of affairs is just plain stupidity
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There’s lots to like about Maatsen. There’s more to dislike about him at the moment.
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Frustrating performance really. Started really well, but then regressed to the kind of performance we saw in midweek with too many players giving the ball away too often.
Thought it was a bid odd that Malen tucked right in when he came on and left Cash up against two defenders when we really needed some attacking width.
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Seems a bit harsh for a fairly innocuous comment.
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Another shit day at office
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inappropriate activity 😂
Sounds very shifty.
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I think this game sums up the season.
A bit of promise and spark but a lack of ability to kill games off and too easy to score against.
Key players getting injuries or losing form.
Add to that the transfer buisness. Unfortunately - due to the constraints we need to make every signing count - and I think too many havent added enough. Onnana looks good - I like him - but cant stay fit. Jayden failed, maybe Malen will be better. Matesaan was part of the PFR fun and games, but hasnt really contributed more than moreno would have. Barkleys been fine - but injured when we need him most.
Just dont see us putting together 5 or so wins in a row that we will need at some point to make this a successful season in the league. And as much as I love the UCL games - theres no way were winning that.
I think we have 2 options
1. Revert to season 1 emery and make ourselves difficult to score against. This might not be an option with what we currently have available. Then proritise the FA club that gives us the best chance of us making this season a success.
2. Keep doing what we have done for the last 18 months - and hope it clicks. I think it will mean that at the end of the season there will be 1 or 2 big deputures and we build from there but maybe without having to juggle so many difficult games
I think 2 is what happens, but I think 1 is a better option. Then wtf do I know. Ive spent 20mins writting this crap - so judgement isnt a strength. So long as Unai's here I trust well do as well as is possible.
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You should probably read the forum rules.
Do the rules say that you’re allowed to be negative and talk rubbish as long as you’re in the clique?
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Well that was a bit dispiriting.
Had to hang on. They had a couple of simple tactics that worked over and over.
Maatsen needs a run of games I think, and he'll be better with Torres inside him.
Digne just kept getting caught.
Rogers and Ramsey were our best two I thought, Ramsey looks like he's getting back to his best.
Digne was very frustrating, Maatsen kept making forward runs and instead of passing early to set him away, kept delaying until Maatsen check his run and then passed. Meaning Maatsen was heading backwards, and there's nowt scarier for our own defence than Maatsen coming backwards!
interestingly - mings was the same with him - so I wonder which bit is coached.
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WTF what is going on?
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Oh no - this isn’t going to end well
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Bloody hell that makes a change, all I ve seen from you is moan about the game not talking about it
Word to the wise jwarry, two mods have asked people to pack in the personal attacks already. Might be worth following their direction.
Ok Som but they are really pissing me off . I’m Claret and Blue through and through and I was down the park in our darkest days so to to be negative about our current stat of affairs is just plain stupidity
Just ignore, easiest option. I know it can't always be done, but nowadays I write something, take a few deep breaths, re-read it (unfortunately not always for grammar or spelling) and see if I still want to send it. The amount of times I cancel the send is refreshing.
And if that doesn't work, then just drop posters on the ignore list on your profile settings. Also helps as well.
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WTF what is going on?
Whoever runs this forum is protecting the bullies as usual.
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WTF what is going on?
There is a special place for these two in Off Topic.
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Bloody hell that makes a change, all I ve seen from you is moan about the game not talking about it
Word to the wise jwarry, two mods have asked people to pack in the personal attacks already. Might be worth following their direction.
Ok Som but they are really pissing me off . I’m Claret and Blue through and through and I was down the park in our darkest days so to to be negative about our current stat of affairs is just plain stupidity
Just ignore, easiest option. I know it can't always be done, but nowadays I write something, take a few deep breaths, re-read it (unfortunately not always for grammar or spelling) and see if I still want to send it. The amount of times I cancel the send is refreshing.
And if that doesn't work, then just drop posters on the ignore list on your profile settings. Also helps as well.
Mmm
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You should probably read the forum rules.
Do the rules say that you’re allowed to be negative and talk rubbish as long as you’re in the clique?
None of the ones you mentioned are in any clique, but a big rule is you do not post DM messages in the private forum AND if you want to question Mods, do it via DM. So I suspect bye Villa_boy and see you in a week maybe.
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WTF what is going on?
Whoever runs this forum is protecting the bullies as usual.
You were asked politely to not take out your frustration on other posters, it’s not hard to understand.
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Went to pieces when Mings got injured and never really recovered. Dinge at centre back? That was terrifying.
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Once the game became a battle, with the ref turning a blind eye to everything, we were always going to struggle. It's a common theme, we lack physicality & something Onana was brought in to address, but he's never fit.
We need a proper No: 10, who can pick a pass.
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Bloody hell that makes a change, all I ve seen from you is moan about the game not talking about it
Word to the wise jwarry, two mods have asked people to pack in the personal attacks already. Might be worth following their direction.
Ok Som but they are really pissing me off . I’m Claret and Blue through and through and I was down the park in our darkest days so to to be negative about our current stat of affairs is just plain stupidity
Just ignore, easiest option. I know it can't always be done, but nowadays I write something, take a few deep breaths, re-read it (unfortunately not always for grammar or spelling) and see if I still want to send it. The amount of times I cancel the send is refreshing.
And if that doesn't work, then just drop posters on the ignore list on your profile settings. Also helps as well.
Mmm
Thanks Som, I’ve now given that a deep breath and some thought as you suggested and have come to the conclusion that this forum which to me has been the voice of reason in a sea of shit for all of my retirement years is coming to an end. On well I suppose all good things come to an end eventually
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Playing every 3 days with the same 2 central defenders was always going to result in an injury to one of them. Carlos should not have been allowed to leave before the Celtic game and now we have no choice to play a fullback there.
As for the game it’s so frustrating as we have a very good squad but as always we let ourselves down defensively. Their goal was as bad as it gets with absolutely no one marking at the back post.
Now instead of one new central defender we need 2, and quickly. Best wishes to Mings, I pray it’s just a sprain but it did not look good.
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When other team players press Villa they are like greyhounds on steroids, when we do it we are like cuddly little puddles
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Playing every 3 days with the same 2 central defenders was always going to result in an injury to one of them. Carlos should not have been allowed to leave before the Celtic game and now we have no choice to play a fullback there.
As for the game it’s so frustrating as we have a very good squad but as always we let ourselves down defensively. Their goal was as bad as it gets with absolutely no one marking at the back post.
Now instead of one new central defender we need 2, and quickly. Best wishes to Mings, I pray it’s just a sprain but it did not look good.
Can we not play Bogarde or Swinkels in there ?
Agree re Carlos being sold without a replacement in, that is very poor planning.
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Once the game became a battle, with the ref turning a blind eye to everything, we were always going to struggle. It's a common theme, we lack physicality & something Onana was brought in to address, but he's never fit.
We need a proper No: 10, who can pick a pass.
Probably why he wanted Felix so bad since he became manager. Even though he would make Bailey look like David Goggins.
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You should probably read the forum rules.
Do the rules say that you’re allowed to be negative and talk rubbish as long as you’re in the clique?
None of the ones you mentioned are in any clique, but a big rule is you do not post DM messages in the private forum AND if you want to question Mods, do it via DM. So I suspect bye Villa_boy and see you in a week maybe.
Please ban me permanently and prove my point.
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Bye then.
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Martinez didn't dominate his area anything like he usually does
Perhaps he needs a rest midweek
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We can all be hysterical during and after games. Calm down
That’s our season finished. Utter garbage. Slow, ponderous, kept giving the ball away, terrible set pieces, players then out of position and we make the same mistakes over and over and over again. And to top it off we threw away our only realistic chance at a trophy this season. Watkins, Rogers, Bailey, Philogene and McGinn completely ineffective. The one time we have momentum in the first half we drop off ten yards and let them have the ball uncontested. The honeymoon period is well and truly over.
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Please ban me permanently and prove my point.
Tsk. Well I'm not a mod, but they do usually make a point that if someone asks for a ban, they get a ban. Not sure what point it makes for you though, you are the one who ignored original mods requests to tone it down. If there is a clique that contains VillaTim, DC and CV, it is there own and nothing to do with the site.
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Playing every 3 days with the same 2 central defenders was always going to result in an injury to one of them. Carlos should not have been allowed to leave before the Celtic game and now we have no choice to play a fullback there.
As for the game it’s so frustrating as we have a very good squad but as always we let ourselves down defensively. Their goal was as bad as it gets with absolutely no one marking at the back post.
Now instead of one new central defender we need 2, and quickly. Best wishes to Mings, I pray it’s just a sprain but it did not look good.
Can we not play Bogarde or Swinkels in there ?
Agree re Carlos being sold without a replacement in, that is very poor planning.
Bogarde maybe but he’s right sided, I suppose we don’t have much choice though.
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Bye then.
If you are a moderator that is not good moderation
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Performance must be lowest point since Emery came in.
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Bye then.
If you are a moderator that is not good moderation
Don't call out the mods asking for a ban = don't get banned.
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Asking for a ban was always an instant ban, I doubt that's changed in the time since I quit.
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Noticed a few being fairly generous to Malen: twice he left Cash with two men on the back stick, the first of which was the goal. It was extremely poor defensively, and he’s going to need to up his game there.
In addition to the Mings injury - sure we were tailing off before, but it was terribly deflating for all, I felt - wonder if there weren’t a few eyes on the Celtic game?
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Performance must be lowest point since Emery came in.
Monaco was worse.
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Stevenage was far worse.
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Sometimes I think I'd like to be a mod, sometimes I don't.
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Bye then.
If you are a moderator that is not good moderation
Don't call out the mods asking for a ban = don't get banned.
I’m sorry I don’t understand. I wasn’t calling out anybody I was just questioning how a moderator - and by the way I have no idea if he is a moderator - can just say bye then. Doesn’t seem right to me
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Although in the Stevenage one, it was a test of the then current bomb squad to see if any deserve to stay. Of the starters, only four are still here and that might change in the summer.
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Link to Forum Rules:
https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?page=page4597
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Bye then.
If you are a moderator that is not good moderation
Don't call out the mods asking for a ban = don't get banned.
I’m sorry I don’t understand. I wasn’t calling out anybody I was just questioning how a moderator - and by the way I have no idea if he is a moderator - can just say bye then. Doesn’t seem right to me
Not you, the chap who got banned.
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What Som said would have zero influence on the decision. Som said "bye" because most know it's an automatic ban.
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Bye then.
If you are a moderator that is not good moderation
Don't call out the mods asking for a ban = don't get banned.
I’m sorry I don’t understand. I wasn’t calling out anybody I was just questioning how a moderator - and by the way I have no idea if he is a moderator - can just say bye then. Doesn’t seem right to me
Why not? Is he supposed to beg him to stay?
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Bye then.
Thank god. Jesus
As for the game. I think the performance today was not as bad as monaco but it was up there
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Bye then.
If you are a moderator that is not good moderation
Don't call out the mods asking for a ban = don't get banned.
I’m sorry I don’t understand. I wasn’t calling out anybody I was just questioning how a moderator - and by the way I have no idea if he is a moderator - can just say bye then. Doesn’t seem right to me
Clearly I am a moderator. Villaboy_23 was warned in public and via PM, he persisted. He asked for a ban. He got a ban. I was merely being polite and wishing him on his way.
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What Som said would have zero influence on the decision. Som said "bye" because most know it's an automatic ban.
Wasn't it Jon Crofts
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For some reason I thought Som had bye. My bad as the cool kids still say.
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Bye then.
Thank god. Jesus
As for the game. I think the performance today was not as bad as monaco but it was up there
Well there you go
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Jon warned us all even me, same level of treatment. Nothing at all wrong with his moderating this evening.
All i can think of is the banned poster had a bit of a meltdown about the recent result and decided to pick a fight with a number of posters he didnt like. Who knows. I wont lose sleep at night worrying about it.
Thats my last on it and apologies to the forum for reacting and clogging the forum up with off topic posts.
Now onto the massive celtic game. UTV
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Serious business, the internet.
Look what you've caused Villa!
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Fair enough Jon, but I entered the conversation
Bye then.
If you are a moderator that is not good moderation
Don't call out the mods asking for a ban = don't get banned.
I’m sorry I don’t understand. I wasn’t calling out anybody I was just questioning how a moderator - and by the way I have no idea if he is a moderator - can just say bye then. Doesn’t seem right to me
Clearly I am a moderator. Villaboy_23 was warned in public and via PM, he persisted. He asked for a ban. He got a ban. I was merely being polite and wishing him on his way.
Fair enough Jon but I entered the conversation after he posted what I thought was a fair criticism of the negative posters on here. Surely we are entitled to disagree with them?
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Fair enough Jon, but I entered the conversation Bye then.
If you are a moderator that is not good moderation
Don't call out the mods asking for a ban = don't get banned.
I’m sorry I don’t understand. I wasn’t calling out anybody I was just questioning how a moderator - and by the way I have no idea if he is a moderator - can just say bye then. Doesn’t seem right to me
Clearly I am a moderator. Villaboy_23 was warned in public and via PM, he persisted. He asked for a ban. He got a ban. I was merely being polite and wishing him on his way.
Fair enough Jon but I entered the conversation after he posted what I thought was a fair criticism of the negative posters on here. Surely we are entitled to disagree with them?
Of course you can disagree with them and people all over this forum disagree with each other on all manner of topics. Throwing out comments about cliques and unsubstantiated insinuations that posters are joyous about defeats is just posting for effect, trolling or just plain antagonistic.
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An absolute disastrous decision to put Digne at centre half. We need to stop taking Watkins off, we lose all our attacking prowess without him. Subs were poor throughout and we looked like a ticking time bomb defensively.
Our need for a centre half is now at emergency levels and we’ve left ourselves in a terrible position.
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Yeah it’s a good point, Ollie was involved in pretty much everything we did well today.
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I thought the two things that undid us was Mings going off and Ramsey and Rogers both going off at the same time. Should have seen West Ham off in the 15-20 minute spell we had in the first half. Kamara was tremendous. Glad of a point in the end to be honest.
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Yeah it’s a good point, Ollie was involved in pretty much everything we did well today.
We seem to lose a lot of structure up top without him . His work off the ball is pretty full on and often goes unnoticed until he isn't there doing it.
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Agree his work off the ball, working the centre backs, creating space etc is massively important to us.
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One thing I thought today - that I have many times before - is rogers would be world class if he knew when to make the pass / cross / shot
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Fair enough Jon, but I entered the conversation Bye then.
If you are a moderator that is not good moderation
Don't call out the mods asking for a ban = don't get banned.
I’m sorry I don’t understand. I wasn’t calling out anybody I was just questioning how a moderator - and by the way I have no idea if he is a moderator - can just say bye then. Doesn’t seem right to me
Clearly I am a moderator. Villaboy_23 was warned in public and via PM, he persisted. He asked for a ban. He got a ban. I was merely being polite and wishing him on his way.
Fair enough Jon but I entered the conversation after he posted what I thought was a fair criticism of the negative posters on here. Surely we are entitled to disagree with them?
Of course you can disagree with them and people all over this forum disagree with each other on all manner of topics. Throwing out comments about cliques and unsubstantiated insinuations that posters are joyous about defeats is just posting for effect, trolling or just plain antagonistic.
Really? Don’t we all post for effect? Or what is the point of posting? I’m sure I’m boring every one now so I will refrain but I will not stop being the eternal optimist and calling out the doom merchants - unless you ban me of course…
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One thing I thought today - that I have many times before - is rogers would be world class if he knew when to make the pass / cross / shot
He's getting there
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When other team players press Villa they are like greyhounds on steroids, when we do it we are like cuddly little puddles
Don't talk wet.
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I'm hoping we can reach 40 points and stay up.
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When other team players press Villa they are like greyhounds on steroids, when we do it we are like cuddly little puddles
Don't talk wet.
The sheer amount of games we need to get through has precipitated this lack of energy.
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Bye then.
If you are a moderator that is not good moderation
Don't call out the mods asking for a ban = don't get banned.
I’m sorry I don’t understand. I wasn’t calling out anybody I was just questioning how a moderator - and by the way I have no idea if he is a moderator - can just say bye then. Doesn’t seem right to me
Clearly I am a moderator. Villaboy_23 was warned in public and via PM, he persisted. He asked for a ban. He got a ban. I was merely being polite and wishing him on his way.
Correct decision.
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When other team players press Villa they are like greyhounds on steroids, when we do it we are like cuddly little puddles
Don't talk wet.
The sheer amount of games we need to get through has precipitated this lack of energy.
Thats the challange - we cant rotate really
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Yeah it’s a good point, Ollie was involved in pretty much everything we did well today.
We seem to lose a lot of structure up top without him . His work off the ball is pretty full on and often goes unnoticed until he isn't there doing it.
But there's only one way Duran will develop and that includes PL starts. I think Ollie has played nearly 7.5 games in the month since Duran was sent off at Newcastle. No need for Watkins to start in Monaco and again today.
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Yeah it’s a good point, Ollie was involved in pretty much everything we did well today.
We seem to lose a lot of structure up top without him . His work off the ball is pretty full on and often goes unnoticed until he isn't there doing it.
But there's only one way Duran will develop and that includes PL starts. I think Ollie has played nearly 7.5 games in the month since Duran was sent off at Newcastle. No need for Watkins to start in Monaco and again today.
I thought he'd start Duran in Monaco but obviously Emery see's it differently.
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Thing is if you’re making a concerted effort to lessen your intensity then you have to be absolutely spot on defensively (as a team overall). To make that approach work you need to be able to be confident one goal is enough. We are a million miles away from that, so if that is what Unai is doing he needs to do a hell of a lot more on our approach to defending as a team.
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Yeah it’s a good point, Ollie was involved in pretty much everything we did well today.
We seem to lose a lot of structure up top without him . His work off the ball is pretty full on and often goes unnoticed until he isn't there doing it.
But there's only one way Duran will develop and that includes PL starts. I think Ollie has played nearly 7.5 games in the month since Duran was sent off at Newcastle. No need for Watkins to start in Monaco and again today.
I thought he'd start Duran in Monaco but obviously Emery see's it differently.
Its pretty obvious Jhon doesn’t do what he’s told
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One thing I thought today - that I have many times before - is rogers would be world class if he knew when to make the pass / cross / shot
He can be so frustrating, we’d be in such a great position if he released the ball. He attracts 2/3 opposition players so we always have some in space. His control does my head in too, dangles a foot to try and control it rather than being in a better position.
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On what basis does he not do what he is told?
I thought he just generally struggled to get involved in the game like most of our subs today
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That was the difference with grealish, he knew just when to pass to use the space. I hope rogers can get that into his game.
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This team statistically runs a lot less than others so I can't buy into tiredness and fatigue. I think it's a crock of shite when managers come out with it ( ours doesn't ) and you see cyclists do 200km a day and footballers struggle with 45mins and break and another 45mins every 3 days.
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This team statistically runs a lot less than others so I can't buy into tiredness and fatigue. I think it's a crock of shite when managers come out with it ( ours doesn't ) and you see cyclists do 200km a day and footballers struggle with 45mins and break and another 45mins every 3 days.
Different sports though, and when you are in the pack, your energy usage is minimal for most of the 200km unless it is mountains day, and then quite a few do tire out. (I won't mention that cyclists also might get helping hands from more medical sources which footballers might not.)
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One thing I thought today - that I have many times before - is rogers would be world class if he knew when to make the pass / cross / shot
He can be so frustrating, we’d be in such a great position if he released the ball. He attracts 2/3 opposition players so we always have some in space. His control does my head in too, dangles a foot to try and control it rather than being in a better position.
I'm noticing this more. He does the wrong thing or executes the right thing poorly nine times out of ten
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This team statistically runs a lot less than others so I can't buy into tiredness and fatigue. I think it's a crock of shite when managers come out with it ( ours doesn't ) and you see cyclists do 200km a day and footballers struggle with 45mins and break and another 45mins every 3 days.
It’s 100% a thing though. We are less dynamic / running less because we have so many games. It’s a symptom of our tiredness / managing energy levels, not proof that we shouldn’t be tired.
It’s also clearly not the same as cyclists…
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Firstly the Ref had an absolute shocker by any standards - i assume its just coincidence that all his most awful decisions went against us. The Mings injury is catastrophic for our season because i dont think we'll see him back anytime soon. We really do need to use the remainder of the window to replace him pdq. Digne has been having an excellent season but he aint no centre back, i do worry that repeatedly playing him there will play him out of form. Kamara absolutely superb - best player on the pitch. If thats the Graham Potter take on the So-called "West Ham academy of football" he can stick it where the sun dont shine. Not a good performance but we should have beaten them but nearly lost instead. I'm just off down the bookies to put the deeds to my house and a kidney on us losing on wednesday.
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Fatigue can be mental not just physical .
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One thing I thought today - that I have many times before - is rogers would be world class if he knew when to make the pass / cross / shot
He can be so frustrating, we’d be in such a great position if he released the ball. He attracts 2/3 opposition players so we always have some in space. His control does my head in too, dangles a foot to try and control it rather than being in a better position.
I'm noticing this more. He does the wrong thing or executes the right thing poorly nine times out of ten
9 times out of ten? Doubt that plays out. I’d say it’s really obvious he’s fatigued and needs a break. He is a young player playing his first full season at this level. We put so much reliance on him because he’s been brilliant, but it is too much now. He needs to be given the chance to recuperate a bit and not start every time he’s fit (or at least available).
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The Mings injury is catastrophic for our season because i dont think we'll see him back anytime soon.
I'm going to wait until we get the official diagnosis. You don't normally get the person being out for sometime walk back along the touchline to sit in the dugout with a big smile on their face.
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This team statistically runs a lot less than others so I can't buy into tiredness and fatigue. I think it's a crock of shite when managers come out with it ( ours doesn't ) and you see cyclists do 200km a day and footballers struggle with 45mins and break and another 45mins every 3 days.
Different sports though, and when you are in the pack, your energy usage is minimal for most of the 200km unless it is mountains day, and then quite a few do tire out. (I won't mention that cyclists also might get helping hands from more medical sources which footballers might not.)
I know but my point really was when I think of fatigue, tiredness or exhaustion I think of one of the Brownlee Brothers helping the other over the line after 140miles. You will never see a footballer close to that...basically I hate the mentality of the game at times.
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
If that is the first thing you think of after a game like that, I think you need serious help.
With therapy deep feelings of inadequacy can be mitigated but in the mean time keep taking the meds and hopefully you will get a girlfriend soon.
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How many games have we won by more than a goal this season?
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
If that is the first thing you think of after a game like that, I think you need serious help.
With therapy deep feelings of inadequacy can be mitigated but in the mean time keep taking the meds and hopefully you will get a girlfriend soon.
What a waste, he's banned.
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One thing I thought today - that I have many times before - is rogers would be world class if he knew when to make the pass / cross / shot
He can be so frustrating, we’d be in such a great position if he released the ball. He attracts 2/3 opposition players so we always have some in space. His control does my head in too, dangles a foot to try and control it rather than being in a better position.
I'm noticing this more. He does the wrong thing or executes the right thing poorly nine times out of ten
9 times out of ten? Doubt that plays out. I’d say it’s really obvious he’s fatigued and needs a break. He is a young player playing his first full season at this level. We put so much reliance on him because he’s been brilliant, but it is too much now. He needs to be given the chance to recuperate a bit and not start every time he’s fit (or at least available).
Totally agree on this , we are putting far too much responsibility on Rogers , I thought he would have been rested today and keep him fresh for Wednesday.
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The Mings injury is catastrophic for our season because i dont think we'll see him back anytime soon.
I'm going to wait until we get the official diagnosis. You don't normally get the person being out for sometime walk back along the touchline to sit in the dugout with a big smile on their face.
Unai has been optimistic about this after the game. Says on first diagnosis it is slight and he hopes not out for long.
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I know but my point really was when I think of fatigue, tiredness or exhaustion I think of one of the Brownlee Brothers helping the other over the line after 140miles. You will never see a footballer close to that...basically I hate the mentality of the game at times.
Bad example again unfortunately. The Brownlee example, well it was not 140 miles but normal olympic distance which is 1 mile swim, 25miles cycle, 7 mile run. Still tough but Jonny misjudged the heat and his water intake and collapsed due to severe dehydration rather the serious fatigue. It is a distance he has done many other times (and longer) with no issues.
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Bailey was poor again today. Two shots, easily blocked, other than that, he added very little. McGinn struggled to get into the game when he came on, I was hoping for more control of the midfield but it didn't happen. I thought Ramsey and Kamara played as well as any Villa player. Digne, Maatsen, Tielemans were below par. We just don't seem able to match the consistency of last season and the injuries have also not helped this either.
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When other team players press Villa they are like greyhounds on steroids, when we do it we are like cuddly little puddles
Don't talk wet.
Do you actually watch our games this season
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When other team players press Villa they are like greyhounds on steroids, when we do it we are like cuddly little puddles
Don't talk wet.
Do you actually watch our games this season
It was a pun on you saying "puddle",
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When other team players press Villa they are like greyhounds on steroids, when we do it we are like cuddly little puddles
Don't talk wet.
Do you actually watch our games this season
It was a pun on you saying "puddle",
Ha, what a drip!
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When other team players press Villa they are like greyhounds on steroids, when we do it we are like cuddly little puddles
Don't talk wet.
Must be watching different games to me this season
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When other team players press Villa they are like greyhounds on steroids, when we do it we are like cuddly little puddles
Don't talk wet.
Must be watching different games to me this season
You’ve missed the pun again.
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When other team players press Villa they are like greyhounds on steroids, when we do it we are like cuddly little puddles
Don't talk wet.
Must be watching different games to me this season
You’ve missed the pun again.
Got it now
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Soooo, the recruitment solution is to buy Juan Foyth? Is this the best we can do?
Not better than Konsa. Certainly not better than Mings.
If you need a cheap stopgap I'd rather put Swinkels in.
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Hard to see Villa doing a whole lot this season at this point. Getting into Europe will be an accomplishment. We are what we are and that is inconsistent with a defense that has been poor all season and an attack that struggles to score enough to overcome the defense.
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The Mings injury is catastrophic for our season because i dont think we'll see him back anytime soon.
I'm going to wait until we get the official diagnosis. You don't normally get the person being out for sometime walk back along the touchline to sit in the dugout with a big smile on their face.
Yeah - and I think the symbolism wasnt lost on him or the staff. Hoping a couple of weeks.
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I didn't catch the subs bench before the game so I'm surprised we didn't have another centre half on it, unless Swinkels was injured himself.
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I know but my point really was when I think of fatigue, tiredness or exhaustion I think of one of the Brownlee Brothers helping the other over the line after 140miles. You will never see a footballer close to that...basically I hate the mentality of the game at times.
Bad example again unfortunately. The Brownlee example, well it was not 140 miles but normal olympic distance which is 1 mile swim, 25miles cycle, 7 mile run. Still tough but Jonny misjudged the heat and his water intake and collapsed due to severe dehydration rather the serious fatigue. It is a distance he has done many other times (and longer) with no issues.
Thank you Alexa.
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I didn't catch the subs bench before the game so I'm surprised we didn't have another centre half on it, unless Swinkels was injured himself.
Just checked - swinkels has no injury. He has to be on the bench next week if no defender is signed
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
If that is the first thing you think of after a game like that, I think you need serious help.
With therapy deep feelings of inadequacy can be mitigated but in the mean time keep taking the meds and hopefully you will get a girlfriend soon.
What a waste, he's banned.
I see that now, has his play date Jwarry also been banned?
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We're 4 points off the top 4. Some posts make it sound like we're where Spurs are.
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When other team players press Villa they are like greyhounds on steroids, when we do it we are like cuddly little puddles
Don't talk wet.
Must be watching different games to me this season
You’ve missed the pun again.
Was looking to correct it, but can't find it so can't be arsed
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That was the difference with grealish, he knew just when to pass to use the space. I hope rogers can get that into his game.
Rogers loses the ball too often in dangerous areas. Decision making still a bit suspect of when to run with it and when to pass. Things to work on. Might score more goals than Grealish though, good striker of a ball around the box. Id like to see more of him in the air attacking the ball. Huge potential to work with.
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We're 4 points off the top 4. Some posts make it sound like we're where Spurs are.
Agree - but most of us feel like its unlikely to "click" for us this season. We just cant get any momentum - in a game or in the season
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That was the difference with grealish, he knew just when to pass to use the space. I hope rogers can get that into his game.
Rogers loses the ball too often in dangerous areas. Decision making still a bit suspect of when to run with it and when to pass. Things to work on. Might score more goals than Grealish though, good striker of a ball around the box. Id like to see more of him in the air attacking the ball. Huge potential to work with.
I absolutely love Rogers but it does feel like we've become very dependent on him very quickly. I think he might be feeling the pressure a bit.
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That was the difference with grealish, he knew just when to pass to use the space. I hope rogers can get that into his game.
Rogers loses the ball too often in dangerous areas. Decision making still a bit suspect of when to run with it and when to pass. Things to work on. Might score more goals than Grealish though, good striker of a ball around the box. Id like to see more of him in the air attacking the ball. Huge potential to work with.
I think he could do with a rest.
We are asking too much of him.
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We're 4 points off the top 4. Some posts make it sound like we're where Spurs are.
Agree - but most of us feel like its unlikely to "click" for us this season. We just cant get any momentum - in a game or in the season
I posted on CL thread that a game like this can make us feel we're worse than we are. We're unbeaten in 11 at home and have 18 points from the last 10 games. That's actually a pretty solid run.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13297394/aston-villa-1-1-west-ham-premier-league-highlights
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The return is ok, but for us to overhaul enough teams to make the top 5 we need to step it up and that’s the problem. We don’t look anywhere near capable of that and the goal difference is the biggest red flag. Last season there was an extended period where we were exceptional, and it felt like a surprise if we didn’t win. Now it feels more like a relief when we do win.
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With the time frame of 70 to 90 hours before a match thread we have now bypassed this as it's less than 70 hours before Celtic match.
Can we expect something to be put up tomorrow morning then given it's a Sunday evening.
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With the time frame of 70 to 90 hours before a match thread we have now bypassed this as it's less than 70 hours before Celtic match.
Can we expect something to be put up tomorrow morning then given it's a Sunday evening.
Feel free. Remember to add a poll.
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We'd end up on 64 points if we carried on at the current rate of the last 10. Majority of seasons that's 6th, with the odd 5th or 7th. It needs very little improvement to add the few more points needed for a usual 5th place. My point is that for all the we're done, any Europe would be an achievement and so on we're actually pretty much at the pace needed the last 10 despite it feeling that we're not.
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Mings going off changed everything. Happy enough with a point in the end, we can't really expect to be winning PL games with no defender comfortable competing in the air. .
Positives - Konsa had his best game in a while, Ramsey was very strong. Bailey was decent I thought. Kamara strong yet again in midfield.
Negatives, Martinez was a joke, unsurprisingly we ran out of legs, Maatsen brutal again, limited impact off the bench in general but Emery got subs wrong again anyway. Rogers was dreadful and should have been first man off, not Bailey. No reason to take Ramsey off after playing 5 mins in Monaco. Instead we had likes of Cash and Tielemans completely gassed last 20 mins and all subs used.
Pretty much agree with this
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Mings going off changed everything. Happy enough with a point in the end, we can't really expect to be winning PL games with no defender comfortable competing in the air. .
Positives - Konsa had his best game in a while, Ramsey was very strong. Bailey was decent I thought. Kamara strong yet again in midfield.
Negatives, Martinez was a joke, unsurprisingly we ran out of legs, Maatsen brutal again, limited impact off the bench in general but Emery got subs wrong again anyway. Rogers was dreadful and should have been first man off, not Bailey. No reason to take Ramsey off after playing 5 mins in Monaco. Instead we had likes of Cash and Tielemans completely gassed last 20 mins and all subs used.
Pretty much agree with this
So do I, the worst decision was Digne for Mings.
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We'd end up on 64 points if we carried on at the current rate of the last 10. Majority of seasons that's 6th, with the odd 5th or 7th. It needs very little improvement to add the few more points needed for a usual 5th place. My point is that for all the we're done, any Europe would be an achievement and so on we're actually pretty much at the pace needed the last 10 despite it feeling that we're not.
That’s quite reassuring. A lot of us have been confident of doing it as it just needs to click but every game passes without it happening. I’m sure we’ll click in the next game….
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Was it another game where the opponents scored with the 1st shot on target
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Its all hindsight but i thought we got much worse with Duran and Malen replacing Watkins and Bailey. I honestly don’t know where Malen was playing and he didn’t seem to be showing for the ball much, still extremely early days.
Anyway, massive February coming up
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Bailey again seems to be going at half pace, where has his speed gone? JJ had his best game for a while and Kamara is fast becoming our best player. The substitutions were i suspect more about the midweek game than anything else. How we have let ourselves short of centre backs is disppointing, I thought we had hired the best in the business who was well connected to sort this out.
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When other team players press Villa they are like greyhounds on steroids, when we do it we are like cuddly little puddles
Don't talk wet.
The sheer amount of games we need to get through has precipitated this lack of energy.
Thats the challange - we cant rotate really
This month was always going to be tough given the number of games to be played and injuries have made it even tougher. Finishing in the top 8 of the Champions League on Wednesday would be massive in a number of ways, but mainly because it means that hectic schedule does not extend into February.
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Absolute garbage. VillaTim, Dimitri C, Risso and Chicago Villa will be absolutely buzzing!
If that is the first thing you think of after a game like that, I think you need serious help.
With therapy deep feelings of inadequacy can be mitigated but in the mean time keep taking the meds and hopefully you will get a girlfriend soon.
What a waste, he's banned.
I see that now, has his play date Jwarry also been banned?
For someone who read through the rest of the thread, saw the mods had got involved, also read that it was now all sorted, was there any need for that?
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Was it another game where the opponents scored with the 1st shot on target
No.
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I know but my point really was when I think of fatigue, tiredness or exhaustion I think of one of the Brownlee Brothers helping the other over the line after 140miles. You will never see a footballer close to that...basically I hate the mentality of the game at times.
Bad example again unfortunately. The Brownlee example, well it was not 140 miles but normal olympic distance which is 1 mile swim, 25miles cycle, 7 mile run. Still tough but Jonny misjudged the heat and his water intake and collapsed due to severe dehydration rather the serious fatigue. It is a distance he has done many other times (and longer) with no issues.
Thank you Alexa.
My pleasure Tuscans. Fatigue in football is a real thing, I just don't get why you want to denigrate it, especially using made up things.
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When other team players press Villa they are like greyhounds on steroids, when we do it we are like cuddly little puddles
Don't talk wet.
The sheer amount of games we need to get through has precipitated this lack of energy.
Thats the challange - we cant rotate really
This month was always going to be tough given the number of games to be played and injuries have made it even tougher. Finishing in the top 8 of the Champions League on Wednesday would be massive in a number of ways, but mainly because it means that hectic schedule dies not extend into February.
Absolutely, 8 games in December, 8 in January and, if we don't finish 8th on Wednesday, 7 in February...which could turn into 8 in the shortest month if we beat Spurs, and get told to play our Fifth Round game on Friday 28th.
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I know but my point really was when I think of fatigue, tiredness or exhaustion I think of one of the Brownlee Brothers helping the other over the line after 140miles. You will never see a footballer close to that...basically I hate the mentality of the game at times.
Bad example again unfortunately. The Brownlee example, well it was not 140 miles but normal olympic distance which is 1 mile swim, 25miles cycle, 7 mile run. Still tough but Jonny misjudged the heat and his water intake and collapsed due to severe dehydration rather the serious fatigue. It is a distance he has done many other times (and longer) with no issues.
Thank you Alexa.
My pleasure Tuscans. Fatigue in football is a real thing, I just don't get why you want to denigrate it, especially using made up things.
Cycling isn't a fabricated sport I conjured up out of thin air and a triathlon is usually made up of 140 miles, albeit the scenario featuring the Brownlee bros I was wrong about. Just other sports I don't ever remember participants whining about a need for a rest.
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I know but my point really was when I think of fatigue, tiredness or exhaustion I think of one of the Brownlee Brothers helping the other over the line after 140miles. You will never see a footballer close to that...basically I hate the mentality of the game at times.
Bad example again unfortunately. The Brownlee example, well it was not 140 miles but normal olympic distance which is 1 mile swim, 25miles cycle, 7 mile run. Still tough but Jonny misjudged the heat and his water intake and collapsed due to severe dehydration rather the serious fatigue. It is a distance he has done many other times (and longer) with no issues.
Thank you Alexa.
My pleasure Tuscans. Fatigue in football is a real thing, I just don't get why you want to denigrate it, especially using made up things.
Cycling isn't a fabricated sport I conjured up out of thin air and a triathlon is usually made up of 140 miles, albeit the scenario featuring the Brownlee bros I was wrong about. Just other sports I don't ever remember participants whining about a need for a rest.
Cycling is so easy they get to sit down through most of it.
Edit: not being entirely serious, in case any sore-bottomed, lycra-clad weirdos come after me.
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I know but my point really was when I think of fatigue, tiredness or exhaustion I think of one of the Brownlee Brothers helping the other over the line after 140miles. You will never see a footballer close to that...basically I hate the mentality of the game at times.
Bad example again unfortunately. The Brownlee example, well it was not 140 miles but normal olympic distance which is 1 mile swim, 25miles cycle, 7 mile run. Still tough but Jonny misjudged the heat and his water intake and collapsed due to severe dehydration rather the serious fatigue. It is a distance he has done many other times (and longer) with no issues.
Thank you Alexa.
My pleasure Tuscans. Fatigue in football is a real thing, I just don't get why you want to denigrate it, especially using made up things.
Cycling isn't a fabricated sport I conjured up out of thin air and a triathlon is usually made up of 140 miles, albeit the scenario featuring the Brownlee bros I was wrong about. Just other sports I don't ever remember participants whining about a need for a rest.
Cycling is so easy they get to sit down through most of it.
Edit: not being entirely serious, in case any sore-bottomed, lycra-clad weirdos come after me.
I think they were banned this evening.
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I know but my point really was when I think of fatigue, tiredness or exhaustion I think of one of the Brownlee Brothers helping the other over the line after 140miles. You will never see a footballer close to that...basically I hate the mentality of the game at times.
Bad example again unfortunately. The Brownlee example, well it was not 140 miles but normal olympic distance which is 1 mile swim, 25miles cycle, 7 mile run. Still tough but Jonny misjudged the heat and his water intake and collapsed due to severe dehydration rather the serious fatigue. It is a distance he has done many other times (and longer) with no issues.
Thank you Alexa.
My pleasure Tuscans. Fatigue in football is a real thing, I just don't get why you want to denigrate it, especially using made up things.
Cycling isn't a fabricated sport I conjured up out of thin air and a triathlon is usually made up of 140 miles, albeit the scenario featuring the Brownlee bros I was wrong about. Just other sports I don't ever remember participants whining about a need for a rest.
Cycling is so easy they get to sit down through most of it.
Edit: not being entirely serious, in case any sore-bottomed, lycra-clad weirdos come after me.
I think they were banned this evening.
Phew! I walk, cycle and get public transport everywhere.
And I have dodgy knees. So the last thing I need is to piss the cyclists off. All that walking would kill me.
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With the time frame of 70 to 90 hours before a match thread we have now bypassed this as it's less than 70 hours before Celtic match.
Can we expect something to be put up tomorrow morning then given it's a Sunday evening.
Feel free. Remember to add a poll.
Oh I don't like the responsibilities of that but hope the Aston Villa Celtic match thread will be out...
It's always a good read to see where people are at in thought and discussion. Especially when it's a massive game!
Up The Villa!
Edited as pre thread has been made by oftlab!
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Its amazing I wake up and there is already a thread thank you Fantastic !
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The Mings injury was the turning point. Totally threw us and took the wind out of our sails .
Totally agree with you.
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Mings going off changed everything. Happy enough with a point in the end, we can't really expect to be winning PL games with no defender comfortable competing in the air. .
Positives - Konsa had his best game in a while, Ramsey was very strong. Bailey was decent I thought. Kamara strong yet again in midfield.
Negatives, Martinez was a joke, unsurprisingly we ran out of legs, Maatsen brutal again, limited impact off the bench in general but Emery got subs wrong again anyway. Rogers was dreadful and should have been first man off, not Bailey. No reason to take Ramsey off after playing 5 mins in Monaco. Instead we had likes of Cash and Tielemans completely gassed last 20 mins and all subs used.
Pretty much agree with this
So do I, the worst decision was Digne for Mings.
We were very short of options and I'm pretty sure they would have tried this kind of thing out behind closed doors. Digne at CB wasn't ideal obviously but it wasn't actually that bad from a defensive standpoint. We were undone by a header from an unmarked player thanks to Cash having one of his regular brainfarts. He didn't once look round and was drawn to a player who was already being marked. You can't legislate for that level of numptyness which is why we are having an upgrade in that position. Cash was really good in the Dean Smith era but he's nowhere near the standard we require now.
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If Mings hadn't gone off I reckon we'd have been two or three up at half time and could have rested players second half. We lost our heads after the injury, quite possibly because the players thought it was a bad one again, and Emery wasn't pitchside to help. West Ham grew into the game as they knew we were weakened. Eventually we had to make changes with an eye on Wednesday and everything pretty much fell apart after that.
I felt for Kamara at the end, he was a one man midfield constantly having to sprint backwards every time we gave the ball away cheaply up front. Bogarde or McGinn for Tielemans might have helped us get back more control.
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Noticed a few being fairly generous to Malen: twice he left Cash with two men on the back stick, the first of which was the goal. It was extremely poor defensively, and he’s going to need to up his game there.
In the reporting of his signing, and the media brooding about why he perhaps hadn't made as much of his talent as might have been expected, it was said Dortmund were unhappy about two distinct parts of his game, his lack of defensive alertness and effort, and secondly his propensity to shoot as soon as he sees the goal.
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I said this yesterday - every game we play is played with an eye on the next game. I'd have left Watkins and Ramsey on yesterday as they were both causing west ham problems. But no doubt the decision was made with Wednesday in mind.
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When Mings went off hey smelt blood and pressed more aggressively, Digne was the weak link and he made a number of unforced errors. We never recovered our composure and the only player to come out of this with any credit is Kamara, Ramsey did ok.
This looked like a continuation of the Monaco match interrupted by a 15 minute period at the start of the game.
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If Mings hadn't gone off I reckon we'd have been two or three up at half time and could have rested players second half. We lost our heads after the injury, quite possibly because the players thought it was a bad one again, and Emery wasn't pitchside to help. West Ham grew into the game as they knew we were weakened. Eventually we had to make changes with an eye on Wednesday and everything pretty much fell apart after that.
I felt for Kamara at the end, he was a one man midfield constantly having to sprint backwards every time we gave the ball away cheaply up front. Bogarde or McGinn for Tielemans might have helped us get back more control.
That's a decent summary. I'd add that losing Mings not only rattled the team but we lost Digne's ability to bomb on and put in a regular supply of decent crosses into the box. I really like Maatsen and he will probably be our regular wing back in the near future but his style is different to Digne and he doesn't have the same sweet left foot to ping the ball into the danger areas.
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Very disappointing yesterday. But we are still in with a shout even if that that shout is a bit muted at the moment. A couple of things stand out - we are a bit thin despite the squad building especially at CB. We seem to now have only one way of playing and that reminds me of times past. So subs are mainly like for like with some exceptions. The goal yesterday was what Emery wants (and is what excites us) but when it doesn't happen - like the rest of the match and quite often this year - we don't have a scrappy type goal in us. We seem to be about great goals particularly back to front goals without other options. And while Duran has been great at times he's a bit like that too - wonder strikes or not much. For sure Mings going off affected us - in confidence as well as his actual defending. And that affected the press which dropped off second half. Not having a dependable CB in the match day squad was very unfortunate. But overall we are so much happier than for many years - it's great to be worrying about not hitting the heights than having to look the other way. UTV.
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Very disappointing yesterday. But we are still in with a shout even if that that shout is a bit muted at the moment. A couple of things stand out - we are a bit thin despite the squad building especially at CB. We seem to now have only one way of playing and that reminds me of times past. So subs are mainly like for like with some exceptions. The goal yesterday was what Emery wants (and is what excites us) but when it doesn't happen - like the rest of the match and quite often this year - we don't have a scrappy type goal in us. We seem to be about great goals particularly back to front goals without other options. And while Duran has been great at times he's a bit like that too - wonder strikes or not much. For sure Mings going off affected us - in confidence as well as his actual defending. And that affected the press which dropped off second half. Not having a dependable CB in the match day squad was very unfortunate. But overall we are so much happier than for many years - it's great to be worrying about not hitting the heights than having to look the other way. UTV.
Just about says it all for me
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The Mings injury was the turning point. Totally threw us and took the wind out of our sails .
Totally agree with you.
Showed the folly of not having cover on the bench?
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For all you infidels who don’t believe in the footballing gods, I offer you conclusive evidence. In the first 10 minutes, some of the one touch passing and quick transition play was up there with the best in Emery’s time here. I remember thinking if we can keep this up, this might be one of those long overdue spankings we can mete out, but didn’t say anything, cos I know better. First goal goes in, I’m thinking this could be a 7-2 vs Liverpool type performance, but don’t say anything. Then, the offside goal happens, and the co-commentator on my dodgy feed says ‘this game could be over by halftime.’ My heart sinks for I know what he’s done. What follows? God strikes Ming’s down, and then we don’t put together another passage of play resembling those first 10 minutes. Have that.
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The Mings injury was the turning point. Totally threw us and took the wind out of our sails .
Totally agree with you.
Showed the folly of not having cover on the bench?
Bogarde was the option then Digne could have stayed at LB.
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If Mings hadn't gone off I reckon we'd have been two or three up at half time and could have rested players second half.
This seems a common view. But didn't Mings exit in minute 38? At least that's what my match report says.
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If Mings hadn't gone off I reckon we'd have been two or three up at half time and could have rested players second half.
This seems a common view. But didn't Mings exit in minute 38? At least that's what my match report says.
Possibly but we played 55 minutes in the first half so there was still a fair bit to go.
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The Mings injury was the turning point. Totally threw us and took the wind out of our sails .
Totally agree with you.
Showed the folly of not having cover on the bench?
Bogarde was the option then Digne could have stayed at LB.
Not according to the boss. Clearly.
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If Mings hadn't gone off I reckon we'd have been two or three up at half time and could have rested players second half. We lost our heads after the injury, quite possibly because the players thought it was a bad one again, and Emery wasn't pitchside to help. West Ham grew into the game as they knew we were weakened. Eventually we had to make changes with an eye on Wednesday and everything pretty much fell apart after that.
I felt for Kamara at the end, he was a one man midfield constantly having to sprint backwards every time we gave the ball away cheaply up front. Bogarde or McGinn for Tielemans might have helped us get back more control.
That's a decent summary. I'd add that losing Mings not only rattled the team but we lost Digne's ability to bomb on and put in a regular supply of decent crosses into the box. I really like Maatsen and he will probably be our regular wing back in the near future but his style is different to Digne and he doesn't have the same sweet left foot to ping the ball into the danger areas.
For me was the wrong sub. For me madness not having swinkels on the bench knowing mings is our only fit left sided cb. We all see mings is knackered as well. Poor preparation by the club
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Digne at centre half back was bad, but unless Swinkels has improved a lot from that League Cup game he would not have been a good option.
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Except Emery wants a left-footer playing at LCB.
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Digne at centre half back was bad, but unless Swinkels has improved a lot from that League Cup game he would not have been a good option.
That was one game. Rogers didn't look great in his first game. We need to gove youngsters time
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Someone should tell Greggggg we didn’t lose. It might have felt like it.
https://x.com/greggevans40/status/1883870378042524108?s=46
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You do, so chucking him in there wouldn’t have been a good call.
Also with the greatest respect the comparison to Rogers is ludicrous. Other than them both being young they are not remotely comparable. Rogers had played 80 odd senior games before he came to us, up to Championship level. There was plenty to say he had a great chance.
Swinkels has played one senior game hasn’t he? The aforementioned League Cup game.
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Someone should tell Greggggg we didn’t lose. It might have felt like it.
https://x.com/greggevans40/status/1883870378042524108?s=46
Looks like that has been removed.
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Someone should tell Greggggg we didn’t lose. It might have felt like it.
https://x.com/greggevans40/status/1883870378042524108?s=46
Looks like that has been removed.
Yeh he fixed it.
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You do, so chucking him in there wouldn’t have been a good call.
Also with the greatest respect the comparison to Rogers is ludicrous. Other than them both being young they are not remotely comparable. Rogers had played 80 odd senior games before came to us, up to Championship level. There was plenty to say he had a great chance.
Swinkels has played one senior game hasn’t he? The aforementioned League Cup game.
Unless the coaching staff don't think they are ready, there's surely got to be a time where they are given a chance though? Both Swinkels and Bogarde are now 21, so not really kids anymore. Surely they would be desperate to get a chance to play?
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I said this yesterday - every game we play is played with an eye on the next game. I'd have left Watkins and Ramsey on yesterday as they were both causing west ham problems. But no doubt the decision was made with Wednesday in mind.
Ramsey played only 5-10 mins in Monaco. No way he needed to be replaced. Poor decision. Bailey was ok too. We went to bits on the flanks when they both went off. Credit to Kamara as he was carrying that midfield, Tielemans badly needed to be replaced last 20-30.
None of our subs made an impact, mind.
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I said this yesterday - every game we play is played with an eye on the next game. I'd have left Watkins and Ramsey on yesterday as they were both causing west ham problems. But no doubt the decision was made with Wednesday in mind.
Ramsey played only 5-10 mins in Monaco. No way he needed to be replaced. Poor decision. Bailey was ok too. We went to bits on the flanks when they both went off. Credit to Kamara as he was carrying that midfield, Tielemans badly needed to be replaced last 20-30.
None of our subs made an impact, mind.
With all due respect, how do you know? As supporters we're not armed with his fitness or performance stats, we don't know whether or not players are still good to go or what their plan is.
It seemed to me that yesterday was the first time Ramsey had the shackles off fully, he seemed to be running with more purpose, power and speed than he has at any other time this season. Perhaps the plan was for him to have 'x' amount of time so as not to overdo it.
I liked what I saw of him yesterday, and was also disappointed he went off because I think we lost something when he did.
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I said this yesterday - every game we play is played with an eye on the next game. I'd have left Watkins and Ramsey on yesterday as they were both causing west ham problems. But no doubt the decision was made with Wednesday in mind.
Ramsey played only 5-10 mins in Monaco. No way he needed to be replaced. Poor decision. Bailey was ok too. We went to bits on the flanks when they both went off. Credit to Kamara as he was carrying that midfield, Tielemans badly needed to be replaced last 20-30.
None of our subs made an impact, mind.
The only change I’d have made was Tilemans for McGinn.
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You do, so chucking him in there wouldn’t have been a good call.
Also with the greatest respect the comparison to Rogers is ludicrous. Other than them both being young they are not remotely comparable. Rogers had played 80 odd senior games before came to us, up to Championship level. There was plenty to say he had a great chance.
Swinkels has played one senior game hasn’t he? The aforementioned League Cup game.
Unless the coaching staff don't think they are ready, there's surely got to be a time where they are given a chance though? Both Swinkels and Bogarde are now 21, so not really kids anymore. Surely they would be desperate to get a chance to play?
Well quite and I’d say it suggests Bogarde is seen as one who does have a potential future. I’d be incredibly surprised if Swinkels does with us.
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I said this yesterday - every game we play is played with an eye on the next game. I'd have left Watkins and Ramsey on yesterday as they were both causing west ham problems. But no doubt the decision was made with Wednesday in mind.
Ramsey played only 5-10 mins in Monaco. No way he needed to be replaced. Poor decision. Bailey was ok too. We went to bits on the flanks when they both went off. Credit to Kamara as he was carrying that midfield, Tielemans badly needed to be replaced last 20-30.
None of our subs made an impact, mind.
With all due respect, how do you know? As supporters we're not armed with his fitness or performance stats, we don't know whether or not players are still good to go or what their plan is.
It seemed to me that yesterday was the first time Ramsey had the shackles off fully, he seemed to be running with more purpose, power and speed than he has at any other time this season. Perhaps the plan was for him to have 'x' amount of time so as not to overdo it.
I liked what I saw of him yesterday, and was also disappointed he went off because I think we lost something when he did.
I guess forums would be boring places if the managers decisions aren't questioned....
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Agree re Swinkels , he should have been on the bench , if he isn't trusted what's the point in him being here .
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All those people who have been asking why Swinkels wasn't on the bench for the last 18 games are finally proven correct...... what do you mean they have only mentioned it after this weekend?
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We had Carlos on the bench though previously.
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We didn't the last few matches.
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If I remember rightly didn't we fall apart after Mings injury at Newcastle, perhaps the players thought it was the same injury, although that's no excuse
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We lost 5-1 but Fergie thought we were great and he was right.