Aston Villa vs West Ham post-match thread

[brontebilly]

Yeah it’s a good point, Ollie was involved in pretty much everything we did well today.

We seem to lose a lot of structure up top without him . His work off the ball is pretty full on and often goes unnoticed until he isn't there doing it.

But there's only one way Duran will develop and that includes PL starts. I think Ollie has played nearly 7.5 games in the month since Duran was sent off at Newcastle. No need for Watkins to start in Monaco and again today.

[VillaTim]

Yeah it’s a good point, Ollie was involved in pretty much everything we did well today.

We seem to lose a lot of structure up top without him . His work off the ball is pretty full on and often goes unnoticed until he isn't there doing it.

But there's only one way Duran will develop and that includes PL starts. I think Ollie has played nearly 7.5 games in the month since Duran was sent off at Newcastle. No need for Watkins to start in Monaco and again today.

I thought he'd start Duran in Monaco but obviously Emery see's it differently.

[PaulWinch again]

Thing is if you’re making a concerted effort to lessen your intensity then you have to be absolutely spot on defensively (as a team overall). To make that approach work you need to be able to be confident one goal is enough. We are a million miles away from that, so if that is what Unai is doing he needs to do a hell of a lot more on our approach to defending as a team.

[jwarry]

Yeah it’s a good point, Ollie was involved in pretty much everything we did well today.

We seem to lose a lot of structure up top without him . His work off the ball is pretty full on and often goes unnoticed until he isn't there doing it.

But there's only one way Duran will develop and that includes PL starts. I think Ollie has played nearly 7.5 games in the month since Duran was sent off at Newcastle. No need for Watkins to start in Monaco and again today.

I thought he'd start Duran in Monaco but obviously Emery see's it differently.

Its pretty obvious Jhon doesn’t do what he’s told

[j66acd]

One thing I thought today - that I have many times before - is rogers would be world class if he knew when to make the pass / cross / shot

He can be so frustrating, we’d be in such a great position if he released the ball. He attracts 2/3 opposition players so we always have some in space. His control does my head in too, dangles a foot to try and control it rather than being in a better position.

[Demitri_C]

On what basis does he not do what he is told?

I thought he just generally struggled to get involved in the game like most of our subs today

[London Villan]

That was the difference with grealish, he knew just when to pass to use the space. I hope rogers can get that into his game.

[Tuscans]

This team statistically runs a lot less than others so I can't buy into tiredness and fatigue. I think it's a crock of shite when managers come out with it ( ours doesn't ) and you see cyclists do 200km a day and footballers struggle with 45mins and break and another 45mins every 3 days.

[Somniloquism]

This team statistically runs a lot less than others so I can't buy into tiredness and fatigue. I think it's a crock of shite when managers come out with it ( ours doesn't ) and you see cyclists do 200km a day and footballers struggle with 45mins and break and another 45mins every 3 days.

Different sports though, and when you are in the pack, your energy usage is minimal for most of the 200km unless it is mountains day, and then quite a few do tire out. (I won't mention that cyclists also might get helping hands from more medical sources which footballers might not.)

[Meanwood Villa]

One thing I thought today - that I have many times before - is rogers would be world class if he knew when to make the pass / cross / shot

He can be so frustrating, we’d be in such a great position if he released the ball. He attracts 2/3 opposition players so we always have some in space. His control does my head in too, dangles a foot to try and control it rather than being in a better position.

I'm noticing this more. He does the wrong thing or executes the right thing poorly nine times out of ten

[Villatillidie25]

This team statistically runs a lot less than others so I can't buy into tiredness and fatigue. I think it's a crock of shite when managers come out with it ( ours doesn't ) and you see cyclists do 200km a day and footballers struggle with 45mins and break and another 45mins every 3 days.

It’s 100% a thing though. We are less dynamic / running less because we have so many games. It’s a symptom of our tiredness / managing energy levels, not proof that we shouldn’t be tired.
It’s also clearly not the same as cyclists…

[martin o`who??]

Firstly the Ref had an absolute shocker by any standards - i assume its just coincidence that all his most awful decisions went against us. The Mings injury is catastrophic for our season because i dont think we'll see him back anytime soon. We really do need to use the remainder of the window to replace him pdq. Digne has been having an excellent season but he aint no centre back, i do worry that repeatedly playing him there will play him out of form. Kamara absolutely superb - best player on the pitch. If thats the Graham Potter take on the So-called "West Ham academy of football" he can stick it where the sun dont shine. Not a good performance but we should have beaten them but nearly lost instead. I'm just off down the bookies to put the deeds to my house and a kidney on us losing on wednesday.

[VillaTim]

Fatigue can be mental not just physical .

[PaulWinch again]

One thing I thought today - that I have many times before - is rogers would be world class if he knew when to make the pass / cross / shot

He can be so frustrating, we’d be in such a great position if he released the ball. He attracts 2/3 opposition players so we always have some in space. His control does my head in too, dangles a foot to try and control it rather than being in a better position.

I'm noticing this more. He does the wrong thing or executes the right thing poorly nine times out of ten

9 times out of ten? Doubt that plays out. I’d say it’s really obvious he’s fatigued and needs a break. He is a young player playing his first full season at this level. We put so much reliance on him because he’s been brilliant, but it is too much now. He needs to be given the chance to recuperate a bit and not start every time he’s fit (or at least available).

[Somniloquism]

The Mings injury is catastrophic for our season because i dont think we'll see him back anytime soon.

I'm going to wait until we get the official diagnosis. You don't normally get the person being out for sometime walk back along the touchline to sit in the dugout with a big smile on their face.