Aston Villa vs West Ham post-match thread

[Rory]

I know but my point really was when I think of fatigue, tiredness or exhaustion I think of one of the Brownlee Brothers helping the other over the line after 140miles. You will never see a footballer close to that...basically I hate the mentality of the game at times.

 Bad example again unfortunately. The Brownlee example, well it was not 140 miles but normal olympic distance which is 1 mile swim, 25miles cycle, 7 mile run. Still tough but Jonny misjudged the heat and his water intake and collapsed due to severe dehydration rather the serious fatigue. It is a distance he has done many other times (and longer) with no issues.

Thank you Alexa.

My pleasure Tuscans. Fatigue in football is a real thing, I just don't get why you want to denigrate it, especially using made up things.

Cycling isn't a fabricated sport I conjured up out of thin air and a triathlon is usually made up of 140 miles, albeit the scenario featuring the Brownlee bros I was wrong about. Just other sports I don't ever remember participants whining about a need for a rest.

Cycling is so easy they get to sit down through most of it.

Edit: not being entirely serious, in case any sore-bottomed, lycra-clad weirdos come after me.

[Tuscans]

I know but my point really was when I think of fatigue, tiredness or exhaustion I think of one of the Brownlee Brothers helping the other over the line after 140miles. You will never see a footballer close to that...basically I hate the mentality of the game at times.

 Bad example again unfortunately. The Brownlee example, well it was not 140 miles but normal olympic distance which is 1 mile swim, 25miles cycle, 7 mile run. Still tough but Jonny misjudged the heat and his water intake and collapsed due to severe dehydration rather the serious fatigue. It is a distance he has done many other times (and longer) with no issues.

Thank you Alexa.

My pleasure Tuscans. Fatigue in football is a real thing, I just don't get why you want to denigrate it, especially using made up things.

Cycling isn't a fabricated sport I conjured up out of thin air and a triathlon is usually made up of 140 miles, albeit the scenario featuring the Brownlee bros I was wrong about. Just other sports I don't ever remember participants whining about a need for a rest.

Cycling is so easy they get to sit down through most of it.

Edit: not being entirely serious, in case any sore-bottomed, lycra-clad weirdos come after me.

I think they were banned this evening.

[Rory]

I know but my point really was when I think of fatigue, tiredness or exhaustion I think of one of the Brownlee Brothers helping the other over the line after 140miles. You will never see a footballer close to that...basically I hate the mentality of the game at times.

 Bad example again unfortunately. The Brownlee example, well it was not 140 miles but normal olympic distance which is 1 mile swim, 25miles cycle, 7 mile run. Still tough but Jonny misjudged the heat and his water intake and collapsed due to severe dehydration rather the serious fatigue. It is a distance he has done many other times (and longer) with no issues.

Thank you Alexa.

My pleasure Tuscans. Fatigue in football is a real thing, I just don't get why you want to denigrate it, especially using made up things.

Cycling isn't a fabricated sport I conjured up out of thin air and a triathlon is usually made up of 140 miles, albeit the scenario featuring the Brownlee bros I was wrong about. Just other sports I don't ever remember participants whining about a need for a rest.

Cycling is so easy they get to sit down through most of it.

Edit: not being entirely serious, in case any sore-bottomed, lycra-clad weirdos come after me.

I think they were banned this evening.

Phew! I walk, cycle and get public transport everywhere.

And I have dodgy knees. So the last thing I need is to piss the cyclists off. All that walking would kill me.

[Footy-Vill]

With the time frame of 70 to 90 hours before a match thread we have now bypassed this as it's less than 70 hours before Celtic match.
Can we expect something to be put up tomorrow morning then given it's a Sunday evening.

Feel free. Remember to add a poll.

Oh I don't like the responsibilities of that but hope the Aston Villa Celtic match thread will be out...
It's always a good read to see where people are at in thought and discussion. Especially when it's a massive game!

Up The Villa!

Edited as pre thread has been made by oftlab!

[Footy-Vill]

Its amazing I wake up and there is already a thread thank you Fantastic !

[darren woolley]

The Mings injury was the turning point. Totally threw us and took the wind out of our sails .

Totally agree with you.

[The Edge]

Mings going off changed everything. Happy enough with a point in the end, we can't really expect to be winning PL games with no defender comfortable competing in the air. .

Positives - Konsa had his best game in a while, Ramsey was very strong. Bailey was decent I thought. Kamara strong yet again in midfield.

Negatives, Martinez was a joke, unsurprisingly we ran out of legs, Maatsen brutal again, limited impact off the bench in general but Emery got subs wrong again anyway. Rogers was dreadful and should have been first man off, not Bailey. No reason to take Ramsey off after playing 5 mins in Monaco. Instead we had likes of Cash and Tielemans completely gassed last 20 mins and all subs used.

Pretty much agree with this

So do I, the worst decision was Digne for Mings.

We were very short of options and I'm pretty sure they would have tried this kind of thing out behind closed doors. Digne at CB wasn't ideal obviously but it wasn't actually that bad from a defensive standpoint. We were undone by a header from an unmarked player thanks to Cash having one of his regular brainfarts. He didn't once look round and was drawn to a player who was already being marked. You can't legislate for that level of numptyness which is why we are having an upgrade in that position. Cash was really good in the Dean Smith era but he's nowhere near the standard we require now.

[caster troy]

If Mings hadn't gone off I reckon we'd have been two or three up at half time and could have rested players second half. We lost our heads after the injury, quite possibly because the players thought it was a bad one again, and Emery wasn't pitchside to help. West Ham grew into the game as they knew we were weakened. Eventually we had to make changes with an eye on Wednesday and everything pretty much fell apart after that.

I felt for Kamara at the end, he was a one man midfield constantly having to sprint backwards every time we gave the ball away cheaply up front. Bogarde or McGinn for Tielemans might have helped us get back more control.

[PeterWithe]

Noticed a few being fairly generous to Malen: twice he left Cash with two men on the back stick, the first of which was the goal. It was extremely poor defensively, and he’s going to need to up his game there.

In the reporting of his signing, and the media brooding about why he perhaps hadn't made as much of his talent as might have been expected, it was said Dortmund were unhappy about two distinct parts of his game, his lack of defensive alertness and effort, and secondly his propensity to shoot as soon as he sees the goal.

[London Villan]

I said this yesterday - every game we play is played with an eye on the next game. I'd have left Watkins and Ramsey on yesterday as they were both causing west ham problems. But no doubt the decision was made with Wednesday in mind.

[ChicagoLion]

When Mings went off hey smelt blood and pressed more aggressively, Digne was the weak link and he made a number of unforced errors. We never recovered our composure and the only player to come out of this with any credit is Kamara, Ramsey did ok.
This looked like a continuation of the Monaco match interrupted by a 15 minute period at the start of the game.

[The Edge]

If Mings hadn't gone off I reckon we'd have been two or three up at half time and could have rested players second half. We lost our heads after the injury, quite possibly because the players thought it was a bad one again, and Emery wasn't pitchside to help. West Ham grew into the game as they knew we were weakened. Eventually we had to make changes with an eye on Wednesday and everything pretty much fell apart after that.

I felt for Kamara at the end, he was a one man midfield constantly having to sprint backwards every time we gave the ball away cheaply up front. Bogarde or McGinn for Tielemans might have helped us get back more control.

That's a decent summary. I'd add that losing Mings not only rattled the team but we lost Digne's ability to bomb on and put in a regular supply of decent crosses into the box. I really like Maatsen and he will probably be our regular wing back in the near future but his style is different to Digne and he doesn't have the same sweet left foot to ping the ball into the danger areas.

[HolteLower]

Very disappointing yesterday. But we are still in with a shout even if that that shout is a bit muted at the moment. A couple of things stand out - we are a bit thin despite the squad building especially at CB. We seem to now have only one way of playing and that reminds me of times past. So subs are mainly like for like with some exceptions. The goal yesterday was what Emery wants (and is what excites us) but when it doesn't happen - like the rest of the match and quite often this year - we don't have a scrappy type goal in us. We seem to be about great goals particularly back to front goals without other options. And while Duran has been great at times he's a bit like that too - wonder strikes or not much. For sure Mings going off affected us - in confidence as well as his actual defending. And that affected the press which dropped off second half. Not having a dependable CB in the match day squad was very unfortunate. But overall we are so much happier than for many years - it's great to be worrying about not hitting the heights than having to look the other way. UTV.

[astonvilla82]

Very disappointing yesterday. But we are still in with a shout even if that that shout is a bit muted at the moment. A couple of things stand out - we are a bit thin despite the squad building especially at CB. We seem to now have only one way of playing and that reminds me of times past. So subs are mainly like for like with some exceptions. The goal yesterday was what Emery wants (and is what excites us) but when it doesn't happen - like the rest of the match and quite often this year - we don't have a scrappy type goal in us. We seem to be about great goals particularly back to front goals without other options. And while Duran has been great at times he's a bit like that too - wonder strikes or not much. For sure Mings going off affected us - in confidence as well as his actual defending. And that affected the press which dropped off second half. Not having a dependable CB in the match day squad was very unfortunate. But overall we are so much happier than for many years - it's great to be worrying about not hitting the heights than having to look the other way. UTV.

Just about says it all for me

[simon ward 50]

The Mings injury was the turning point. Totally threw us and took the wind out of our sails .

Totally agree with you.

Showed the folly of not having cover on the bench?