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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2024, 02:25:56 PM
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Shame about the late goal. But a brilliant all round display. Rogers far and away MOM
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best of the season
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I think that’s the most one sided 2-1 you’ll ever see.
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Never in doubt
Rogers brilliant.
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4-0 wouldn't have flattered us. As good a performance from a Villa player I have seen in over fifty years.Step forward Morgan The Mighty Rogers.
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How this ended 2-1 is a travesty. It should have been r or 5.
Rogers youri and mcginn brilliant
Shame we couldnt keep a clean sheet.
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It was comfortable, which says it all.
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Fully deserved.
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Anyone wondering what a statement win looks like. That was it. Onwards and upwards!!!
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In terms of in-match performance, our best of the season. Some of our passing was just lovely.
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Up to joint 4th. Rogers and Duran superb today .
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Superb from the villa. Back on track
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Villa of last season that. Tactically fucking on it from the start and individually top trumps. That midfield is the way forward.
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Villa were supreme at time today, especially in that second half. We controlled the first half - just a brilliant, brilliant performance against a top side who would have wanted to right their wrongs against us. Great performance, but with that context, I think it actually elevates what we've done today. We were so good at times today.
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every one magnificent . Rogers was elite and duran was superb . Tielemans back to normal. shame about the clean sheet but over the fucking moon with that and the hangover has gone.
kamara and Onana too ...
ramsay and bailey to come back , the second half of the season and we are going to fly.
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Outstanding - everyone was brilliant. We would have beaten any team in the world the way we played today. Score line flatters them - could have been 4.
Well done all! Great start to the festive week - Teiliemans amazing. Midfield was brilliant - Oanna, Kamara and Tielemans infront is an outstanding performance. McGinn and Cash put shifts in and did well over all. Rogers was excellent, and a mature performance from Duran
Best performance of the season by some distance.
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Told you we'd win.
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Onana/Kamara looks something we can build on to help stabilize the midfield and add a layer of protection to the defence. Hard to see Ollie getting back in the side right now. Duran is getting better each week and taking chances. And when he came Ollie spurned his opportunity.
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every one magnificent . Rogers was elite and duran was superb . Tielemans back to normal. shame about the clean sheet but over the fucking moon with that and the hangover has gone.
kamara and Onana too ...
ramsay and bailey to come back , the second half of the season and we are going to fly.
We have January too.
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Easy-peasy, can we change Legion's handle to Lucky Leeg?
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Proved me wrong and I’m delighted. Bits I saw we looked very good value and should have been more.
There was zip and energy to our play again.
Rubbish goal to concede at the end, but vital win.
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With that 3 in midfield we can compete with Arsenal and Liverpool.
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And a word for Cash. A few silly fouls early on and got his customary booking but really grew into the game. Had a really good second half.
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Brilliant from the boys today. Just brilliant.
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So happy the meeja narrative is fucked for the weekend. Nice of Townsend to come off the City bandwagon with two minutes to go and give us a scintilla of praise.
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That 3 in midfield. Every fucking week please
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Best we’ve played in 12 months.
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That has to be the central midfield now.
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Well that's was easier than I thought.
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Over the moon. Thank you Villa. I like this beginning of Saturday.
Great WE to all.
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Really enjoyed that. Great all-round performance with some outstanding players. TBH its nice to play a team that's not trying to stop us playing.
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Up to joint 4th. Rogers and Duran superb today .
Hopefully the kick start we need in the league now as that was unbelievable today. We tore them apart
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That was just great Villa, 2nd half particulary we were class.
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Didn't see the game but that's a great result. Tielemans on left?
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Tielemans pass to Rogers for Durans goal was as good as you'll see all season
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Excellent result. Let's try and pick up 4 more it's over yuletide
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Didn't see the game but that's a great result. Tielemans on left?
No, central with Rogers and McGinn either side. Midfield balance was perfect.
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Magnificent. 2-1 a joke of a scoreline but I’ll take it! Everybody was superb. Nobody less than a 9/10. Rogers, Tielemans and Duran 10/10. Digne was heading for a 9.5 until he stood on the ball, but still a 9. Just brilliant to watch.
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They were all brilliant today, but Youri Tielemans. Wow.
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Tielemans pass to Rogers for Durans goal was as good as you'll see all season
It was a beaut. Gotta say, Emi to pick out Tielemens too.
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Didn't see the game but that's a great result. Tielemans on left?
No, in front of Onana and Booby, and ran the game from there. His throughballs were world class
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Duran and Rogers seem to enjoy playing together. We could have the makings of something very special there.
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Brilliant game to go to. Aston-Lee loved it.
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Was Tielemans given man of the match?
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Fantastic Villa. What a win. Am in Budapest and couldn’t watch. Looking forward to seeing the goals.
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Rogers and Tielemans were outstanding. 4-0 wouldn't have flattered us.
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Was Tielemans given man of the match?
By Ally McCoist yes
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Was Tielemans given man of the match?
Yeah - he was fantastic looked world class
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Didn't see any of it but that midfield is what I've been looking forward to ever since Onana arrived.
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Rogers and Tielemans were outstanding. 4-0 wouldn't have flattered us.
That was the Villa of last season in terms of our energy and movement. The bit at the end reminded us of our difficulties this season in keeping the ball out of the net. But we could and should have won by many more.
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Another poke in the eye for the bald fraud
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Great result. Watched a watch along on YT with a Manc fan resigned to the fact that Citeh are shite but are going to sign Dougie…..
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Outstanding all over the pitch and some of the football we were playing in that first 20 minutes or so of the second half was especially sublime. The headlines will be about the continued demise of the opposition but we deserve credit for that one, very special performance.
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One of the best games for a long time Bring on MOTD tonight.
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Was Tielemans given man of the match?
Yeah - he was fantastic looked world class
I took him and Rogers out of my FPL team this week, so you're all very welcome!
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Onana/Kamara looks something we can build on to help stabilize the midfield and add a layer of protection to the defence. Hard to see Ollie getting back in the side right now. Duran is getting better each week and taking chances. And when he came Ollie spurned his opportunity.
Obama/Kamara is what it’s all about.
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Was Tielemans given man of the match?
By Ally McCoist yes
Was Tielemans given man of the match?
Yeah - he was fantastic looked world class
He was great but would have given it to Rogers myself.
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No excuses for the rest of the season now, we've set a standard today as good as anything last year.
Youri, Rogers and Duran were all immense today.
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Brilliant game to go to. Aston-Lee loved it.
Excellent 👍🏻
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Not playing midweek makes a huge difference, the energy levels were far higher . The players looked determined to exocise the demons of last week too. C115y were poor but take nothing away from our performance.
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Was Tielemans given man of the match?
Yes.
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Onana/Kamara looks something we can build on to help stabilize the midfield and add a layer of protection to the defence. Hard to see Ollie getting back in the side right now. Duran is getting better each week and taking chances. And when he came Ollie spurned his opportunity.
Obama/Kamara is what it’s all about.
Onana, despite being very young is already a really good leader. To call him Obama is a step too far.
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Onana/Kamara looks something we can build on to help stabilize the midfield and add a layer of protection to the defence. Hard to see Ollie getting back in the side right now. Duran is getting better each week and taking chances. And when he came Ollie spurned his opportunity.
Obama/Kamara is what it’s all about.
Onana, despite being very young is already a really good leader. To call him Obama is a step too far.
Very democratically put.
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Near perfect. Tielemans the best player on the pitch, Rogers a close second.
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Tielemans, Duran, Rogers all contenders for man of the match
But No bad players today great team performance all over the pitch
I’m Durans biggest fan on here and I thought he was immense with the ball and without
Anyone thinking his all-round game isn’t great needs to watch the match again
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Onana/Kamara looks something we can build on to help stabilize the midfield and add a layer of protection to the defence. Hard to see Ollie getting back in the side right now. Duran is getting better each week and taking chances. And when he came Ollie spurned his opportunity.
It’s not, it’s really easy to see him getting back into the side. Weird attitude.
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Onana/Kamara looks something we can build on to help stabilize the midfield and add a layer of protection to the defence. Hard to see Ollie getting back in the side right now. Duran is getting better each week and taking chances. And when he came Ollie spurned his opportunity.
Obama/Kamara is what it’s all about.
Yes we Kam.
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I’m Durans biggest fan on here and I thought he was immense with the ball and without
Anyone thinking his all-round game isn’t great needs to watch the match again
It was easily his best performance.
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Onana/Kamara looks something we can build on to help stabilize the midfield and add a layer of protection to the defence. Hard to see Ollie getting back in the side right now. Duran is getting better each week and taking chances. And when he came Ollie spurned his opportunity.
It’s not, it’s really easy to see him getting back into the side. Weird attitude.
Attitude? I wouldn’t say it’s easy. Duran is getting picked to start in big games and taking his chances. Ollie will get selected but the scales are tipping in favour of Duran the longer Ollie wastes opportunities or simply doesn’t look the player of the last 2 seasons.
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Just need Brentford to beat Forest by a 2 goal margin and Bournemouth to fail to win at Man United and we'll be in the top 4 at Christmas. Happy days!
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Onana/Kamara looks something we can build on to help stabilize the midfield and add a layer of protection to the defence. Hard to see Ollie getting back in the side right now. Duran is getting better each week and taking chances. And when he came Ollie spurned his opportunity.
It’s not, it’s really easy to see him getting back into the side. Weird attitude.
Dont think he has said anything wierd at all.
He is right duran at the moment is looking the more inform player so should be starting ahead of ollie
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Clumsy mistake at the end, but a nice illustration that if the midfield balance is right then our defenders start to look a lot stronger. Pau and Konsa did very nicely today.
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Duran has the shirt now and can see why . When he goes off we seem to lose a lot up front . Watkins came on and missed his usual one on one .
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Duran and rogers seem to really compliment each other. Their linkup was brilliant at times.
I thought mcginn on the right was also excellent
Youri needs to also stay in this position he was superb
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Duran is improving his all round game every time he plays. 21 years old and he's already one of the best forwards in the league.
A great team display from everyone today which could and should’ve been more.
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Onana/Kamara looks something we can build on to help stabilize the midfield and add a layer of protection to the defence. Hard to see Ollie getting back in the side right now. Duran is getting better each week and taking chances. And when he came Ollie spurned his opportunity.
It’s not, it’s really easy to see him getting back into the side. Weird attitude.
Attitude? I wouldn’t say it’s easy. Duran is getting picked to start in big games and taking his chances. Ollie will get selected but the scales are tipping in favour of Duran the longer Ollie wastes opportunities or simply doesn’t look the player of the last 2 seasons.
Yeah. It’s not hard in the slightest. I can see Watkins starting against Newcastle for instance. Not because Duran doesn’t “deserve” to start but that how we set up might suit Watkins better.
I’m really happy we seem to have another brilliant centre forward, but it doesn’t need to also include us giving up on our best striker in at least a decade, maybe 2, because he’s had a dozen of poor performances.
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In spite of us giving Grealish plenty of space in the first half he produced next to nothing. And what was that about clattering McGinn? I thought they were mates.
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In spite of us giving Grealish plenty of space in the first half he produced next to nothing. And what was that about clattering McGinn? I thought they were mates.
And I thought this was his club, his city blah blah. "You're just a shit Morgan Rogers" :)
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Onana/Kamara looks something we can build on to help stabilize the midfield and add a layer of protection to the defence. Hard to see Ollie getting back in the side right now. Duran is getting better each week and taking chances. And when he came Ollie spurned his opportunity.
Obama/Kamara is what it’s all about.
Onana, despite being very young is already a really good leader. To call him Obama is a step too far.
If he keeps playing like that, there'll be no reason to barrack him.
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Slightly annoyed by their goal as I was predicting 2-0 all night at work, much to the amusement of glory-hunting wankers.
I just couldn’t see us not beating them. When you have players so much fitter and stronger than the opposition it can overcome better players. When you have better players as well…
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We're their fucking bogey ground now.
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That was bloody satisfying.
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Lovely quote on SkySports match report.
Time and again Rogers picked the ball up on the half turn, held off his marker and skipped away from them. Kyle Walker, on as a half-time substitute as Guardiola tried in vain to change something, seemed to age in real time when up against him.
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Onana/Kamara fantastic combination, gave Youri and Rogers more freedom to express themselves.
Brilliant all round performance, worthy winners.
We are back. Onwards and upwards.
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I do find it odd how some seem to have turned on Ollie with real relish. He’s a really important player, one of the best in Europe last year, and whilst a bit off it this year he’s still making a solid contribution. Give him a break. Durán is doing brilliantly, that’s fantastic for us but it doesn’t need to be turned into a dig at Ollie. I’m sure at some point Durán’s form will tail off, we need a squad of quality players and we’re lucky with got two excellent strikers.
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Lovely quote on SkySports match report.
Time and again Rogers picked the ball up on the half turn, held off his marker and skipped away from them. Kyle Walker, on as a half-time substitute as Guardiola tried in vain to change something, seemed to age in real time when up against him.
Great quote.
They were shit. Their tippy tappy shite is now toothless, so it is utter death to football enjoyment.
However, we were great. It was an Emery masterclass, like a boxing match, we let them prod and swing at us in the first half, to see what they had, and found out all they really had was the shadow of the player that used to be Jack Grealish. He was that shit that the Holte End grew bored of giving him stick.
Second half having assessed they weren’t all that we just got after them. A disallowed Duran goal, Rogers hitting the post, Ollie hitting one at their keeper, 5-0 wouldn’t off flattered our utter dominance.
Everyone had a great game, Onana grew into the 2nd half, Kamara is just class, but the quintet of McGinn, Rogers, Tielemans and Duran, wow.
And McGinn represents everything that Grealish isn’t in terms of endeavour, loyalty etc.
Great afternoon
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I do find it odd how some seem to have turned on Ollie with real relish. He’s a really important player, one of the best in Europe last year, and whilst a bit off it this year he’s still making a solid contribution. Give him a break. Durán is doing brilliantly, that’s fantastic for us but it doesn’t need to be turned into a dig at Ollie. I’m sure at some point Durán’s form will tail off, we need a squad of quality players and we’re lucky with got two excellent strikers.
Would have been interesting the change in comments if it was Ollie who didn't score in the first minute, and then Duran who didn't score within a minute of coming on.
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Best performance of the season so far. They hadn’t got a clue how to handle Duran or Rogers. City had a lot of possession but only one team looked like winning this match.
So many great performances today. Good to see.
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That has to be the central midfield now.
I think the manager has wanted to play that three in that way since Onana was bought. If they stay fit, we'll start to impose ourselves big style. Please stay fit all!
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Duran is 21! I was still looking at pics of Sam Fox at that age.
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Lovely quote on SkySports match report.
Time and again Rogers picked the ball up on the half turn, held off his marker and skipped away from them. Kyle Walker, on as a half-time substitute as Guardiola tried in vain to change something, seemed to age in real time when up against him.
Although, strictly speaking, we are all currently ageing in real time.
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Honestly even if it ended 2-1 we were so comfortable in the game. Even everton gave us a harder game
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I do find it odd how some seem to have turned on Ollie with real relish. He’s a really important player, one of the best in Europe last year, and whilst a bit off it this year he’s still making a solid contribution. Give him a break. Durán is doing brilliantly, that’s fantastic for us but it doesn’t need to be turned into a dig at Ollie. I’m sure at some point Durán’s form will tail off, we need a squad of quality players and we’re lucky with got two excellent strikers.
I agree. It was a chance that Watkins had but it wasn't as easy as some here are making out. The angle was always going to be tight and favouring the goalkeeper. Either way Watkins has these patches as we know all too well but over a season he will still be in double figures goal wise even if starting less.
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I do find it odd how some seem to have turned on Ollie with real relish. He’s a really important player, one of the best in Europe last year, and whilst a bit off it this year he’s still making a solid contribution. Give him a break. Durán is doing brilliantly, that’s fantastic for us but it doesn’t need to be turned into a dig at Ollie. I’m sure at some point Durán’s form will tail off, we need a squad of quality players and we’re lucky with got two excellent strikers.
Ollie is massively important to our club. We need them both and there’s no doubt Ollie will come back firing soon enough.
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I couldn’t care what he does or says. He’s not part of our club and is definitely not Villa.
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I couldn’t care what he does or says. He’s not part of our club and is definitely not Villa.
Classless fucker.
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I couldn’t care what he does or says. He’s not part of our club and is definitely not Villa.
Classless fucker.
Nah, he might post stupidly long links or posts about non-existent injuries, but Kippax is not classless.
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🤣🤣
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So many things from that performance were superb.
The build up to both of our goals, magnificent. Both.
So much more balance in the team, with Onana and Kamara allowing Tielemans to play more advanced, where he was superb, the position suits him so much better.
Cash actually looks like a player when he is up for a battle.
Duran is maturing into a proper team player at a rate of knots, he is very, very special.
Ginnys arse was back in all its glory.
We are a much, much, much better team when we play with a bit of pace and drive. We were in our pomp for larges swathes of that game, and would probably beat any team in Europe when we are like that.
My final words are for Morgan Rogers.
That performance was just incredible, brilliant. There is no need to elaborate anymore.
The kid is a superstar in the making.
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....and for those who were mad that Mings wasn't starting, Haaland had his first touch in our box in the 90th minute.
We don't play the ball around and out the back like we did today int he second half without Pau in the team.
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I couldn’t care what he does or says. He’s not part of our club and is definitely not Villa.
Classless fucker.
Nah, he might post stupidly long links or posts about non-existent injuries, but Kippax is not classless.
Thanks mate. I think.
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Pep having to deal with a gobshite
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That's hardly a 'taunt', is it? The delights of Yahoo Sport 'headlines.' He's just pointing out that his move has overall been a success with 3 titles. As a player though he has become a total dullard, though I thought he was more like his old self in the first half (utterly dreadful in the second). His form is not our problem.
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Three league trophies. And his bearing on all of them has been minimal.
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Well that was a good way to start the Christmas period! Thought it was a bit like the Arsenal away game where they had a bit more possession in the first half and we countered them, but then we outplayed them in the 2nd half and took control of the game. Midfield was excellent and Duran was a real threat.
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I couldn’t care what he does or says. He’s not part of our club and is definitely not Villa.
Classless fucker.
I was listening to a Man City podcaster last night who said he’s been shit for three out of his four seasons. Maybe he was signalling that.
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Three league trophies. And his bearing on all of them has been minimal.
Also let's not forget that he's a piece of shit rat
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Well, that was pretty darn satisfying against the club I dislike most. Ah, the sweet, sweet smell of victory.
I thought that they had much of the play first half without doing much with it but we were magnificent in the second half, playing some wonderful stuff.
A number of our players had tremendous games but Morgan Rogers had a game for the ages. The way he had people bouncing off him as he went on runs was almost comedy gold. When he's in that mood he is very hard to stop.
Take a bow Morgan, take a bow.
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The balance of the team is also helped by not playing that stupid back 3/5
A solid back 4 with everyone knowing their positions and what they should be doing,
this belief that throwing another centre back on the pitch makes you more solid is just crap, they get in each others way they think the other player is doing their job, it only works if that’s the system you play on a regular basis and the players get used to it, for one off games I don’t like it
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....and for those who were mad that Mings wasn't starting, Haaland had his first touch in our box in the 90th minute.
We don't play the ball around and out the back like we did today int he second half without Pau in the team.
Very noticeable that the poster who was only posting mistakes by Torres soon stopped. Could have been worse though as one posted 'Mings has always done better against Haaland' which is weird as the only goal Haaland has scored against us was the one match Mings played in.
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So happy the meeja narrative is fucked for the weekend. Nice of Townsend to come off the City bandwagon with two minutes to go and give us a scintilla of praise.
Townsend was unbearable. He begged so much for a Cash yellow card, he’d convinced himself he was already on one when the foul on Grealish in the middle resulted in a yellow. He was labouring under some blinkered assumption that Cash was off. Moron.
Celebrating the win with a big breakfast in San Salvador and a chap’s just walked in sporting a Jhon Duran Colombia shirt! UTFV.
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We were brilliant, City didn't deserve a thing from that game. What a delight to see Pep's face at full-time :)
I thought our whole midfield was brilliant, all 9/10's ; the rest of the team were all 8's.
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Three league trophies. And his bearing on all of them has been minimal.
Exactly my thoughts as well. He really hasn’t contributed much to those 3 titles. Mind you he’s not the biggest brain in the world!
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Word on the job Cash did on Grealish. Looked threatening first 15 minutes. Did nothing after that once the occasion and Cash's treatment got to him.
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Highlights finally out.
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One takeaway from today was how much quicker we got the ball forward. Dont know what everyone else thinks but we are at our best when play like thatas opposed to the slow patient attacking play.
If we can get a diaby type -someone quick this wpuld massively help us continue like this
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Brilliant. Just brilliant.
Every single one of them an 8 out of 10, except a 9 for Duran and a 10 for Rogers. Best performance of the season - Some of that midfield play was majestic at times.
Also, a special shout for Jack. I was in the 'maybe he's worth a punt in January' camp. After seeing what he has become 'in the flesh', I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole..... Injury prone, 29 years old now and has had every ounce of the magic dust that made him hero-worshipped at Villa Park drilled out of him by Pep.
Need to NOT lose on Boxing Day now. Well done lads and Merry Xmas all! UTV
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Was Tielemans given man of the match?
By Ally McCoist yes
I don’t know how anyone could give MOM to anyone but Rogers.
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Brilliant performance from front to back.
I'm pleased that everyone is happy again and in time for Xmas.
As for Greasy, He's a diving,.whining, petulant little shit and he can fuck right off. I can see why their manager wanted him.
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What a fantastic result/performance going into the Christmas period. Our midfield was absolutely imperious Big shout out for Onana. He's not a player who does a world class pass or hits an amazing free kick but my god he's a massive addition to our midfield engine room. Our very own Patrick Viera.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/jack-grealish-taunts-aston-villa-154800611.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAC4OSoWaw5fbO-HCKEpXerMr3L0qIZ8lW5T90zx_AMUZhs4NPjOeqU25GrHCnArmtxRfiPLd-TMq2ZGTH5nOo0La9-icacZwADOX8o-88RGidlRqP3Ybz_q7PM1qX6A1UXyuFR49aKeSt2rfo1HZ-QBWT5RImBJd5owBSzYm15A9
The 3 titles he’s had very little hand in.
The 3 stone he’s overweight.
The 3 points for Villa.
Tramp.
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What exactly went on between Martinez and Ratboy Weazelface at HT?
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Grealish was moaning about lack of injury time played in the first half. I’m no expert but it might not be too far for him to be suggesting Emiliano was time wasting.
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Tielemans, Duran, Rogers all contenders for man of the match
But No bad players today great team performance all over the pitch
I’m Durans biggest fan on here and I thought he was immense with the ball and without
Anyone thinking his all-round game isn’t great needs to watch the match again
Not only his all round game, he's linking up with Rogers superbly, they're playing like a proper front two.
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I slept through it and have only just saw the highlights. Jaysus we looked good!
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One takeaway from today was how much quicker we got the ball forward. Dont know what everyone else thinks but we are at our best when play like thatas opposed to the slow patient attacking play.
If we can get a diaby type -someone quick this wpuld massively help us continue like this
Exactly.
When we move the ball a tad quicker it allows Tielemans to turn and pass/run and Rogers to attack the holes in midfield. We are so much better and more chances are created. The really slow stuff allows the opposition to get in shape, fill the gaps and prepare to defend.
We played some beautiful stuff in midfield today and, as a few have said, the shape and balance of Onana and Kamara, then Tielemans, Rogers and McGinn in front of them was incredibly strong both defensively and offensively...I hear what everyone is saying about Rogers and Tielemans and the MOTM thing, but have a good look at Bouba... he was magnificent!
Thank you Villa! Merry Christmas!
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What exactly went on between Martinez and Ratboy Weazelface at HT?
Grealish tripped over a daisy.
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One takeaway from today was how much quicker we got the ball forward. Dont know what everyone else thinks but we are at our best when play like thatas opposed to the slow patient attacking play.
If we can get a diaby type -someone quick this wpuld massively help us continue like this
Exactly.
When we move the ball a tad quicker it allows Tielemans to turn and pass/run and Rogers to attack the holes in midfield. We are so much better and more chances are created. The really slow stuff allows the opposition to get in shape, fill the gaps and prepare to defend.
We played some beautiful stuff in midfield today and, as a few have said, the shape and balance of Onana and Kamara, then Tielemans, Rogers and McGinn in front of them was incredibly strong both defensively and offensively...I hear what everyone is saying about Rogers and Tielemans and the MOTM thing, but have a good look at Bouba... he was magnificent!
Thank you Villa! Merry Christmas!
You're not alone mate, he's just so cool you feel he wouldn't want people fussing over him, just does his thing, runs the entire game and goes home.
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Grealish was moaning about lack of injury time played in the first half. I’m no expert but it might not be too far for him to be suggesting Emiliano was time wasting.
Tbh, I thought he was moaning about anything and everything and constantly wanting our players to be given yellows...and Bernado spent a good half a minute complaining to the lino on his side of the pitch about an incident on the OTHER side of the pitch.....very simply trying to intimidate him!
"You need to give us more free kicks...we're more important than you and this Aston Villa lot, Pep is God and we're still champions, you pleb!"
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One takeaway from today was how much quicker we got the ball forward. Dont know what everyone else thinks but we are at our best when play like thatas opposed to the slow patient attacking play.
If we can get a diaby type -someone quick this wpuld massively help us continue like this
Exactly.
When we move the ball a tad quicker it allows Tielemans to turn and pass/run and Rogers to attack the holes in midfield. We are so much better and more chances are created. The really slow stuff allows the opposition to get in shape, fill the gaps and prepare to defend.
We played some beautiful stuff in midfield today and, as a few have said, the shape and balance of Onana and Kamara, then Tielemans, Rogers and McGinn in front of them was incredibly strong both defensively and offensively...I hear what everyone is saying about Rogers and Tielemans and the MOTM thing, but have a good look at Bouba... he was magnificent!
Thank you Villa! Merry Christmas!
I think it's more complicated than this. Man City play a high line, commit players forward and try to control territory. That means a fast break sees us with space to play into and we up the tempo to make use of it. When teams are more defensive that space isn't there so we try to create it by moving players around.
Teams know what we're trying to do so it's not going to be easy unless they think they're better than us and can afford to risk giving us space. It's why we beat Bayern as well.
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Duran has the shirt now and can see why . .Watkins came on and missed his usual one on one .
And your point is? Did Duran not miss an easier one on one after 15 seconds🙄
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Our players playing for England is jinxed.
Ollie hasn’t been the same since June.
But he will be back just in time for season run in.
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One takeaway from today was how much quicker we got the ball forward. Dont know what everyone else thinks but we are at our best when play like thatas opposed to the slow patient attacking play.
If we can get a diaby type -someone quick this wpuld massively help us continue like this
Exactly.
When we move the ball a tad quicker it allows Tielemans to turn and pass/run and Rogers to attack the holes in midfield. We are so much better and more chances are created. The really slow stuff allows the opposition to get in shape, fill the gaps and prepare to defend.
We played some beautiful stuff in midfield today and, as a few have said, the shape and balance of Onana and Kamara, then Tielemans, Rogers and McGinn in front of them was incredibly strong both defensively and offensively...I hear what everyone is saying about Rogers and Tielemans and the MOTM thing, but have a good look at Bouba... he was magnificent!
Thank you Villa! Merry Christmas!
I think it's more complicated than this. Man City play a high line, commit players forward and try to control territory. That means a fast break sees us with space to play into and we up the tempo to make use of it. When teams are more defensive that space isn't there so we try to create it by moving players around.
Teams know what we're trying to do so it's not going to be easy unless they think they're better than us and can afford to risk giving us space. It's why we beat Bayern as well.
Above anything else, it was nice to see us even attempt to play with tempo today, that has been missing for a while.
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You're not alone mate, he's just so cool you feel he wouldn't want people fussing over him, just does his thing, runs the entire game and goes home.
I posted a video Stuntpegg did at Leipzeig / Villa the other day. Right at the end she records "Boubacar Kamara. He is some footballer!"
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It's great to have both got now, it's nice to imagine the sinking feeling we've had to endure for decades when we take off Duran only for Ollie Watkins to be standing there.
It wont last though and I think it will end with Ollie leaving in the summer, big last payday for him too.
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Duran has the shirt now and can see why . .Watkins came on and missed his usual one on one .
And your point is? Did Duran not miss an easier one on one after 15 seconds🙄
I really don’t get the point of this sort of post. Ollie has been magnificent for us and he’s a great pro, never causes a fuss, gets of with his game with a brilliant work ethic, yet some fools can’t help themselves and have a dig, even after a brilliant performance and three points.
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Duran has the shirt now and can see why . .Watkins came on and missed his usual one on one .
And your point is? Did Duran not miss an easier one on one after 15 seconds🙄
I really don’t get the point of this sort of post. Ollie has been magnificent for us and he’s a great pro, never causes a fuss, gets of with his game with a brilliant work ethic, yet some fools can’t help themselves and have a dig, even after a brilliant performance and three points.
For the time being we've two great strikers to pick from.
Not many teams have that luxury.
Didn't the originator of this post have some very critical words for Duran once?
Duran rightfully has the shirt now, but don't just dismiss Watkins because we're lucky to have such a great option.
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We are Aston Villa.
And we are fucking MAGNIFICENT.
That is all.
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When Youri and Morgan are on song we are almost unstoppable. Today was our best of this season.
However I am still annoyed with them for throwing away a win last week.
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Looks like Onana had a tasty exchange with Joe G at full time , hence then a few stepping in to calm things down. Joe was a classless clown today in fairness .
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First time I have been able to get online since the final whistle, but god we were good today.
Emery finally moved Youri to 10, and boy did he repay that. Such a wonderful passer of a football that having him 15 yards closer to the front players made a monumental difference. Youri, man of the match, truly brilliant display. He is so talented, and we need to keep finding ways to play him in roles where he can hurt teams. Played a really unselfish role all season and deserves all the credit for the way he has played at times.
Onana - showed discipline today I was worried he didn't have, but today showed that him and Bouba could be the strongest double pivot in the league.
Kamara - Pep talking about him after the game says it all, there will be a lot of eyes on him in Jan and next summer. Got to keep him.
The solid foundation was then backed up by McGinn, Rogers and Duran. Duran showed that if he can have that all round game, then Watkins has got a long and hard road. Watkins needs to get the bit between his teeth and massively work on his finishing. He started the season with an injury and has a chance to get fresh, get his mojo back and be a huge player second half of the season. Duran took his chance, led the line, kept the tempo and even the one he missed early doors, the keeper still had to get full stretch to save. You couldn't ask for more.
Final words for Rogers. So much better coming from wide and deep at home. His goal was deserved from the work put in from the start. He has so much potential, he and Duran are on the precipice of being genuine superstars of the game. We need to build around them, keep adding players with their potential. Phenomenal goal and assist. Final product was there today. Scary if he gets that part of his game consistent.
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We are Aston Villa.
And we are fucking MAGNIFICENT.
That is all.
Likey.
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If we can build momentum and get Ramsey and Bailey back in the fold and keep key players fit we could be onto a big 2nd half of the season (a reverse of last season in effect) . Don't think we've even hit our heights yet and are still 5th and in touch. Next two games will be tough and 4 points would be a good return .
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Duran has the shirt now and can see why . When he goes off we seem to lose a lot up front . Watkins came on and missed his usual one on one .
I hope we avoid a situation where the same players are picked each week until they’re knackered/injured/out of form. I reckon the following can be rotated without the quality dropping:
Digne = Maatsen
Onana = Kamara (although I’d prefer both given today’s performance, and Barkley used as the player to manage their minutes)
Watkins = Duran
Rogers = Ramsey
Tielemans = McGinn (in the advanced role)
Where we need to improve:
Cash > Ned/Bogarde
Konsa > Carlos/Mings
Bailey > Jaden
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Duran has the shirt now and can see why . When he goes off we seem to lose a lot up front . Watkins came on and missed his usual one on one .
I hope we avoid a situation where the same players are picked each week until they’re knackered/injured/out of form. I reckon the following can be rotated without the quality dropping:
Digne = Maatsen
Onana = Kamara (although I’d prefer both given today’s performance, and Barkley used as the player to manage their minutes)
Watkins = Duran
Rogers = Ramsey
Tielemans = McGinn (in the advanced role)
Where we need to improve:
Cash > Ned/Bogarde
Konsa > Carlos/Mings
Bailey > Jaden
Agree on this , RB being an absolute priority.
We had the benefit of a clear week today but we do struggle with 2 big games a week. Probably would be fine playing Conference / Prem / Conference / Prem but Champions League is another level .
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Brilliant result what a performance from Morgan Rogers simply unplayable.
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When Youri and Morgan are on song we are almost unstoppable. Today was our best of this season.
However I am still annoyed with them for throwing away a win last week.
Yes and it’s no coincidence they had a solid midfield structure behind them.
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Been moving house and not seen a ball kicked since Red Bull.
We're we great or were we just better than city?
I've heard we looked amazing.
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Great to see Onana and Kamara finally playing together ... and, as I felt would be, they were excellent together.
We could have scored 3-4 goals today and it would not have flattered us.
Special mentions to Cash, Tielemans, McGinn, Rogers and Duran.
Digne was slightly off it, in my view.
Torres was both poor - some of his passing was cringeworthy - and also put in some difficult scenarios by both Martinez and Konsa.
Grealish played okay but the performance confirmed my view that he really isn't a left-winger: he'd have been far more effective as a #10 today, because his passing and ball control were excellent.
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Been moving house and not seen a ball kicked since Red Bull.
We're we great or were we just better than city?
I've heard we looked amazing.
I only saw second half but we were dominant. Solid defensively and dangerous going forward.
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Great to see Onana and Kamara finally playing together ... and, as I felt would be, they were excellent together.
We could have scored 3-4 goals today and it would not have flattered us.
Special mentions to Cash, Tielemans, McGinn, Rogers and Duran.
Digne was slightly off it, in my view.
Torres was both poor - some of his passing was cringeworthy - and also put in some difficult scenarios by both Martinez and Konsa.
Grealish played okay but the performance confirmed my view that he really isn't a left-winger: he'd have been far more effective as a #10 today, because his passing and ball control were excellent.
Good summary. Credit to cash , having been booked early I thought would be a problem. He held it together well today .
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Just had a look at Blue Moon. Fuck me, if we ever commented about a manager who won us six league titles and a European Cup the way they’re talking about Pep, I’d start supporting Shrewsbury.
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Let's not forget they have cheated their way to all that silverware . The sickening commentary today was talking about them having a January and summer rebuild and no mention of the 115. Wankers .
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Just had a look at Blue Moon. Fuck me, if we ever commented about a manager who won us six league titles and a European Cup the way they’re talking about Pep, I’d start supporting Shrewsbury.
I've just looked there too. Don't know how many posts per page that site has, but it's already up to 106 pages. Wow. EDIT - maybe wrong game.
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I wouldn't swap Martinez, Kamara or Duran for anyone in world football. Genuinely. There might be marginal gains on them by the odd player here or there, but they are absolute top level and run straight through the spine of the side.
I reckon we're going to have a cracking second half to the season.
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I wouldn't swap Martinez, Kamara or Duran for anyone in world football. Genuinely. There might be marginal gains on them by the odd player here or there, but they are absolute top level and run straight through the spine of the side.
I reckon we're going to have a cracking second half to the season.
Agree on those 3 yet Rogers was MOTM followed very closely by Tielemans.
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Just had a look at Blue Moon. Fuck me, if we ever commented about a manager who won us six league titles and a European Cup the way they’re talking about Pep, I’d start supporting Shrewsbury.
I've just looked there too. Don't know how many posts per page that site has, but it's already up to 106 pages. Wow. EDIT - maybe wrong game.
Just had a look as well. Their admin 'locked' the site for 30 minutes to give everyone a chance to calm down.
Great stuff.
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I've been on Blue Moon a fair bit today too. Given their quite remarkable collapse I would say they were at least as level headed as some on here during our recent bad run and even last weekend. There seemed to a fair few questioning whether Pep had lost it but I don't think I saw anyone actually saying they wanted him gone.
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I've been on Blue Moon a fair bit today too. Given their quite remarkable collapse I would say they were at least as level headed as some on here during our recent bad run and even last weekend. There seemed to a fair few questioning whether Pep had lost it but I don't think I saw anyone actually saying they wanted him gone.
If it was anyone else with such a bad record over the last dozen games they’d be serious questions being asked and they’d be under enormous pressure.
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Looks like Onana had a tasty exchange with Joe G at full time , hence then a few stepping in to calm things down. Joe was a classless clown today in fairness .
“You’re a fucking bitch” I think he said.
Harsh but fair.
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Tielemans = McGinn (in the advanced role)
As one eyed a Scotsman as I am, there’s no way SJM plays the passes Tielemans does and would be a drop off in that position. More of a compliment to Youri than a dig!
Only caught the second half today but the number of times you would see a Villa player getting the ball on the half turn with the Man City player behind them having acres of space to stride into was utterly majestic.
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Just had a look at Blue Moon. Fuck me, if we ever commented about a manager who won us six league titles and a European Cup the way they’re talking about Pep, I’d start supporting Shrewsbury.
I've just looked there too. Don't know how many posts per page that site has, but it's already up to 106 pages. Wow. EDIT - maybe wrong game.
Just had a look as well. Their admin 'locked' the site for 30 minutes to give everyone a chance to calm down.
Great stuff.
Honestly, I know it's childish, but reading each post there was like taking a big bite of chocolate cake.
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I was concerned how much space cash was allowing wide as everything was going out to grealish.
I actually think it was tactical as each time Grealish got it thier move broke down.
He has been so deconstructed by Pep i actually feel sorry for him.
Pity we could not of kept a clean sheet.
Fantastic display
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Just confirming I haven’t had a look in at blue moon and as things stand I’m unlikely to do so
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If you look at today Citeh’s porous midfield is the difference. Our midfield strength/shape is 100% what has undermined our play at times - look how good it can be when we have all of them available (and that’s without Ramsey).
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Just confirming I haven’t had a look in at blue moon and as things stand I’m unlikely to do so
Same here. Fuck em and all their stolen silver.
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Looks like Onana had a tasty exchange with Joe G at full time , hence then a few stepping in to calm things down. Joe was a classless clown today in fairness .
“You’re a fucking bitch” I think he said.
Harsh but fair.
What does that mean in UK English?
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Looks like Onana had a tasty exchange with Joe G at full time , hence then a few stepping in to calm things down. Joe was a classless clown today in fairness .
“You’re a fucking bitch” I think he said.
Harsh but fair.
What does that mean in UK English?
"One might be forgiven for considering you a cad, sir."
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Looks like Onana had a tasty exchange with Joe G at full time , hence then a few stepping in to calm things down. Joe was a classless clown today in fairness .
“You’re a fucking bitch” I think he said.
Harsh but fair.
What does that mean in UK English?
"One might be forgiven for considering you a cad, sir."
Cheers! Can definitely agree with that!
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Great to see Unai turns us back to our best again.
I must admit I was getting a bit worried.
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Teams know what we're trying to do so it's not going to be easy unless they think they're better than us and can afford to risk giving us space. It's why we beat Bayern as well.
Yeah. Coaches and analysts in this league are amongst the best in the world. It’s no surprise that we’ve struggled except against the most ideologically dogged.
The lightning passes through the middle require both our midfielder to have time to turn, and the forward to have enough space in behind to run onto the pass. We spent the first half of last season engineering these situations, but when teams compress these spaces and refuse to press high we find it much tougher.
This season we’ve attempted the transition into a ‘high-possession in the final third’ gameplay style but it’s no surprise our most eye catching performances are still against teams that refuse to change (eg. Bayern)
I suspect the next few transfer windows will see more players coming in who allow us to me more effective higher up.
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Didn't see any of it but that midfield is what I've been looking forward to ever since Onana arrived.
Agree, had they both started together from the start of the season we'd be close to Liverpool at the top. They give great protection to the defence whilst allowing Tielemans more freedom that bit higher up the pitch.
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https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-guardiola-sack-kindness-tielemans-rogers-embarrass-old-men-man-city
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On the morning of this match, I was still in a mild strop after the Forest debacle.
Remy Junior (now in his 16th Villa following year), you know all wide eyed, positive and optimistic, assured me that this Villa whilst inconsistent and defensively shambolic in some points-costing-games this season after a weeks rest and our first choice midfield now refreshed and available will best them.
Old, cynical me didn’t agree until he pointedly remarked that under SUE we are a different gravy now.
That was the equivalent of football porn.
We were unplayable. Passing, movement, goals, energy the incredible atmosphere- what a combination! What a team!
Thank you for the Christmas present lads, can’t wait for the next game.
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Looks like Onana had a tasty exchange with Joe G at full time , hence then a few stepping in to calm things down. Joe was a classless clown today in fairness .
“You’re a fucking bitch” I think he said.
Harsh but fair.
What does that mean in UK English?
"One might be forgiven for considering you a cad, sir."
Cheers! Can definitely agree with that!
I might be being a bit dim here but who was calling who a bitch?
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I was concerned how much space cash was allowing wide as everything was going out to grealish.
I actually think it was tactical as each time Grealish got it thier move broke down.
He has been so deconstructed by Pep i actually feel sorry for him.
Pity we could not of kept a clean sheet.
Fantastic display
That's interesting because we were talking about exactly that in the first half. One or two around us were commenting that Cash wasn't sticking to Grealish like glue but he didn't really need to, he had him covered every time apart from one or two wayward shots he managed to get in. Cash was excellent.
As for the game, great performance and not for the first time, it should have been more than two two. Shame about their goal, it would have been a faultless display otherwise.
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At times yesterday City looked like an U15 team playing against adults. We were so physically dominate. Seeing Rogers rampage through the lines countless times with City players being swatted away was a real joy...
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I was concerned how much space cash was allowing wide as everything was going out to grealish.
I actually think it was tactical as each time Grealish got it thier move broke down.
He has been so deconstructed by Pep i actually feel sorry for him.
Pity we could not of kept a clean sheet.
Fantastic display
That's interesting because we were talking about exactly that in the first half. One or two around us were commenting that Cash wasn't sticking to Grealish like glue but he didn't really need to, he had him covered every time apart from one or two wayward shots he managed to get in. Cash was excellent.
As for the game, great performance and not for the first time, it should have been more than two two. Shame about their goal, it would have been a faultless display otherwise.
We also discussed it and concluded that Citeh were trying to stretch our back 4 wide in order to create space through the channels for Gundovan and Gvardiol to drive through. Cash did not falter: he kept tight and then moved out when Grealish received the ball
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Looks like Onana had a tasty exchange with Joe G at full time , hence then a few stepping in to calm things down. Joe was a classless clown today in fairness .
“You’re a fucking bitch” I think he said.
Harsh but fair.
What does that mean in UK English?
"One might be forgiven for considering you a cad, sir."
Cheers! Can definitely agree with that!
I might be being a bit dim here but who was calling who a bitch?
I think I’m dim too, because I don’t follow either.
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Good morning H & V. What a beautiful morning ☀️☀️☀️
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Onana called Grealish a f****** bitch after the game.
https://x.com/avfc_stef/status/1870514637667717294
That's about it.
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😂😂😂😂 class
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Beating man city at home is so last year.
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Onana called Grealish a f****** bitch after the game.
https://x.com/avfc_stef/status/1870514637667717294
That's about it.
Cool
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I was concerned how much space cash was allowing wide as everything was going out to grealish.
I actually think it was tactical as each time Grealish got it thier move broke down.
He has been so deconstructed by Pep i actually feel sorry for him.
Pity we could not of kept a clean sheet.
Fantastic display
That's interesting because we were talking about exactly that in the first half. One or two around us were commenting that Cash wasn't sticking to Grealish like glue but he didn't really need to, he had him covered every time apart from one or two wayward shots he managed to get in. Cash was excellent.
As for the game, great performance and not for the first time, it should have been more than two two. Shame about their goal, it would have been a faultless display otherwise.
We also discussed it and concluded that Citeh were trying to stretch our back 4 wide in order to create space through the channels for Gundovan and Gvardiol to drive through. Cash did not falter: he kept tight and then moved out when Grealish received the ball
We’re away so I watched it on the box and it was clear that we were set up to stop them playing through us with Cash tucking in meaning that their only out ball was wide to Grealish. Guardiola had clearly anticipated this so they were picking him out regularly but once Cash had calmed down after his card he handled him brilliantly.
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The greatest compliment I can make is that once the game started I never felt we'd do anything other than win. The only negative is that it should have been by a far bigger margin.
Some great performances, especially Tielemans, Rogers & McGinn. But Kamara is a wonderful footballer, we need to get him on a long contract because big clubs will be sniffing.
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At times yesterday City looked like an U15 team playing against adults. We were so physically dominate. Seeing Rogers rampage through the lines countless times with City players being swatted away was a real joy...
Impressive when he just shrugged Foden off on the touchline and he went flying. Tremendous game from Morgan Rogers.
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Routine win. Next.
Men against boys. Only down side was that we were far more dominant than the 2-1 scoreline suggests.
On the walk back to the car me and my kid were having our customary chat about MOM, we must have mentioned most of the players. Rogers was the obvious choice, or Youri, but Duran was brilliant, and Kamara was as good as usual and McGinn rolled back the years and, and and.....
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Onana called Grealish a f****** bitch after the game.
https://x.com/avfc_stef/status/1870514637667717294
That's about it.
That is so juvenile. And also very funny.
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Was Tielemans given man of the match?
By Ally McCoist yes
I don’t know how anyone could give MOM to anyone but Rogers.
Rogers had an outstanding second half but Tielemans was sensational for the whole 95 minutes
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Yeah Im going Youri for MOM
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Was Tielemans given man of the match?
By Ally McCoist yes
I don’t know how anyone could give MOM to anyone but Rogers.
Rogers had an outstanding second half but Tielemans was sensational for the whole 95 minutes
Yes Tielemans for me.
Absolutely brilliant throughout.
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Beating man city at home is so last year.
It would have been the third year of it happening (even under Gerrard) if the lino had remembered he needs to keep his flag down unto a shot is made when a team is attacking.
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Beating man city at home is so last year.
It would have been the third year of it happening (even under Gerrard) if the lino had remembered he needs to keep his flag down unto a shot is made when a team is attacking.
Onana and Kamara playing the double pivot was a game changer. We can and will keep progressing with such a strong partnership. Onwards and upwards. Othan a couple of brainfarts and dodgy officials last week we would be happily sitting in that top 4 position come Christmas.
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Was Tielemans given man of the match?
By Ally McCoist yes
Was Tielemans given man of the match?
Yeah - he was fantastic looked world class
He was great but would have given it to Rogers myself.
Both great but yes Rogers for me
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Why did Martinez get booked at halftime?
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He upset Ratboy Weazelface.
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Onana called Grealish a f****** bitch after the game.
https://x.com/avfc_stef/status/1870514637667717294
That's about it.
That is so juvenile. And also very funny.
And difficult to disagree with after his antics yesterday. I'm so happy we didn't show him or them too much respect like we would've done in the pre-Emery years.
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Best performance of the season by a long way, the scoreline flattered them, deserved to win it by at least a 3 goal margin. Most pleased with Rogers performance, absolute class, City just couldn't handle him, also brilliant Tielemans, Onana, Kamara and Duran.
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Looks like Onana had a tasty exchange with Joe G at full time , hence then a few stepping in to calm things down. Joe was a classless clown today in fairness .
“You’re a fucking bitch” I think he said.
Harsh but fair.
What does that mean in UK English?
"One might be forgiven for considering you a cad, sir."
I’d say a more accurate translation would be ‘stop whining you tart’.
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Popped over to Blue Moon to see what was being said, this is totally delusional;
"The problem with playing “high risk, high reward football” is that when it isn’t ultra precise we’re open to basic grunt tactics, The number of matches where the other teams just sit and wait for us to make a mistake is like watching us play lower league teams in a cup game. At the moment we are beating ourselves"
They had one tactic all afternoon and that was a long diagonal to Grealish, who then failed to deliver a telling ball all afternoon except for the cross to Gvardiol. Yesterday like last season they were out thought and out fought.
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Why did Martinez get booked at halftime?
The little rat was having a pop at the ref and Emi stepped in and the ref promptly booked him. I was fuming, it took me 'till the 70th minute to calm down!
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Just watching Sky and the analysis regarding the match yesterday through a City lense.
I often wonder if these so called analysts actually ever watch the game?
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Why did Martinez get booked at halftime?
The little rat was having a pop at the ref and Emi stepped in and the ref promptly booked him. I was fuming, it took me 'till the 70th minute to calm down!
That’s what it looked like on my dodgy stream before it cut away, so was wondering if something more had happened…
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Looks like Onana had a tasty exchange with Joe G at full time , hence then a few stepping in to calm things down. Joe was a classless clown today in fairness .
“You’re a fucking bitch” I think he said.
Harsh but fair.
What does that mean in UK English?
"One might be forgiven for considering you a cad, sir."
Cheers! Can definitely agree with that!
I might be being a bit dim here but who was calling who a bitch?
Onana to Joe.
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Players normally cover their mouths when talking so they don't impart such vital information to us mere mortals looking on. I'm no lip reader but was it possibly "diving bitch"
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My only gripe about yesterday was the amount ifof chances missed.it seems to be a theme this season. Im still waiting for the day we absolutely batter someone and dont miss those chances
We should have been 3 up at half time we were that good
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Why did Martinez get booked at halftime?
The little rat was having a pop at the ref and Emi stepped in and the ref promptly booked him. I was fuming, it took me 'till the 70th minute to calm down!
That’s what it looked like on my dodgy stream before it cut away, so was wondering if something more had happened…
I watched it all in the ground. Grealish didn’t like the fact ref blew for half time when he claimed City were attacking. I think he probably said Eminhad been time wasting so that should be added on. Emi pushed him away from ref. Haaland then pushed Emi, for some reason Emi is the one then booked.
The Onana/Grealish one is stranger. Grealish was walking to City supporters after Pep told him to and wasn’t shaking hands or anywhere near Onana but Onana was shouting at him. So not sure what started it off. Haaland intervened to protect Grealish again and confront Onana. That seemed to be the only thing he was doing all game.
The strange thing first half was Cash was presumably deliberately playing narrow which meant City kept giving the ball to Grealish. If just once he had gone outside Cash and crossed with his left foot they might well have been in but he cut inside every time. Maybe we knew he would do that?
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Why did Martinez get booked at halftime?
He pushed Joe in the chest.
There were a few verbals going on, but Emi was the only one who got handsy.
Not the best thing to do because it cut down his leeway for his standard late game antics
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I thought that Grealish was one of their better players yesterday. Certainly nowhere near bad enough to be singled out as he has been in the press (probably due to the game happening to be against Villa).
He put in a cracking cross which that bloke headed well over (before attempting to leap the crossbar for some bizarre reason).
I know that Grealish blazed one wide, but it was no worse than Cash's effort (nor the chance where Morgan hit the post when he had most of the goal to aim at on the other side of the keeper).
Kudos to the keeper for that save from Pau, that was Emi-level shot-stopping.
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Popped over to Blue Moon to see what was being said, this is totally delusional;
"The problem with playing “high risk, high reward football” is that when it isn’t ultra precise we’re open to basic grunt tactics, The number of matches where the other teams just sit and wait for us to make a mistake is like watching us play lower league teams in a cup game. At the moment we are beating ourselves"
They had one tactic all afternoon and that was a long diagonal to Grealish, who then failed to deliver a telling ball all afternoon except for the cross to Gvardiol. Yesterday like last season they were out thought and out fought.
They're the opinions of an entitled oaf who probably never went anywhere near Maine road and thinks they're a big club - one of the first to disappear when they get relegated to league 2 for the 115.
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Great win. A bit lucky to play them when both Rodri and Haaland were missing, but I'll take it.
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Great win. A bit lucky to play them when both Rodri and Haaland were missing, but I'll take it.
Yeah, I mean, it's nothing compared to how lucky they are to even have either of them to begin with.
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Why did Martinez get booked at halftime?
He pushed Joe in the chest.
There were a few verbals going on, but Emi was the only one who got handsy.
Not the best thing to do because it cut down his leeway for his standard late game antics
How many bookings is emi on now? He must be close to 5 now?
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Why did Martinez get booked at halftime?
He pushed Joe in the chest.
There were a few verbals going on, but Emi was the only one who got handsy.
Not the best thing to do because it cut down his leeway for his standard late game antics
How many bookings is emi on now? He must be close to 5 now?
Just two.
Cash, Rogers - 4
Onana, Durán, McGinn, Digne, Barkley, Tielemans - 3
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Why did Martinez get booked at halftime?
He pushed Joe in the chest.
There were a few verbals going on, but Emi was the only one who got handsy.
Not the best thing to do because it cut down his leeway for his standard late game antics
How many bookings is emi on now? He must be close to 5 now?
Just two.
Cash, Rogers - 4
Onana, Durán, McGinn, Digne, Barkley, Tielemans - 3
I believe he was booked for questioning the ref about a blatant yellow (that he didn’t give) just before HT. Rather than the handbags with Grealish.
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Why did Martinez get booked at halftime?
He pushed Joe in the chest.
There were a few verbals going on, but Emi was the only one who got handsy.
Not the best thing to do because it cut down his leeway for his standard late game antics
How many bookings is emi on now? He must be close to 5 now?
Just two.
Cash, Rogers - 4
Onana, Durán, McGinn, Digne, Barkley, Tielemans - 3
When does the reset come ?
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After 19 games (two more). Then the next cut-off is ten bookings before 32 games.
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After 19 games (two more). Then the next cut-off is ten bookings before 32 games.
Ok thanks
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After 19 games (two more). Then the next cut-off is ten bookings before 32 games.
Thanks CD very helpful
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Kind of surprised Rogers is on 4, he shouldn’t be playing where he does.
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https://www.facebook.com/share/r/Puns2eNcXdvHJ8uH/
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https://www.facebook.com/share/r/Puns2eNcXdvHJ8uH/
Of many items the Beeb report on that's pretty factually irrefutable.
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Why did Martinez get booked at halftime?
He pushed Joe in the chest.
There were a few verbals going on, but Emi was the only one who got handsy.
Not the best thing to do because it cut down his leeway for his standard late game antics
And Haaland pushed Emi but no card. Akanji committed about 5 fouls and at least 3 on Rogers but no card. Inconsistent refereeing.
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Kind of surprised Rogers is on 4, he shouldn’t be playing where he does.
Why not?
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Kind of surprised Rogers is on 4, he shouldn’t be playing where he does.
Why not?
My sentence was a grammatical disaster. I'm just saying that I'm surprised he's on 4 yellows already.
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Not really. We try to press from the front. He might be overenthusiastic in his challenges when pressing and / or being sold a dummy and getting frustrated. Once the player is passed him, any foul could be seen as deliberate to stop play from forming. Also I think at least one of them was moaning about a decision.
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Popped over to Blue Moon to see what was being said, this is totally delusional;
"The problem with playing “high risk, high reward football” is that when it isn’t ultra precise we’re open to basic grunt tactics, The number of matches where the other teams just sit and wait for us to make a mistake is like watching us play lower league teams in a cup game. At the moment we are beating ourselves"
They had one tactic all afternoon and that was a long diagonal to Grealish, who then failed to deliver a telling ball all afternoon except for the cross to Gvardiol. Yesterday like last season they were out thought and out fought.
They're the opinions of an entitled oaf who probably never went anywhere near Maine road and thinks they're a big club - one of the first to disappear when they get relegated to league 2 for the 115.
I dunno, getting our good, strong, fast players to run at, and pass the ball around their slow, lazy, mediocre players and kick the ball hard past their goalkeeper is pretty basic, page-one-of-the-manual stuff.
Pity for them that their manager didn't pick up on it quicker.
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Popped over to Blue Moon to see what was being said, this is totally delusional;
"The problem with playing “high risk, high reward football” is that when it isn’t ultra precise we’re open to basic grunt tactics, The number of matches where the other teams just sit and wait for us to make a mistake is like watching us play lower league teams in a cup game. At the moment we are beating ourselves"
They had one tactic all afternoon and that was a long diagonal to Grealish, who then failed to deliver a telling ball all afternoon except for the cross to Gvardiol. Yesterday like last season they were out thought and out fought.
They're the opinions of an entitled oaf who probably never went anywhere near Maine road and thinks they're a big club - one of the first to disappear when they get relegated to league 2 for the 115.
I dunno, getting our good, strong, fast players to run at, and pass the ball around their slow, lazy, mediocre players and kick the ball hard past their goalkeeper is pretty basic, page-one-of-the-manual stuff.
Pity for them that their manager didn't pick up on it quicker.
Quite. It also doesn't make any sense.
'Sitting back and waiting for us to make mistakes' (if that's what they think we did) is not the same as adopting a 'grunt tactic'.
Lambert's Villa were the best team of the PL era - the only issue was opposition sides adopting 'grunt tactics' and exploiting our mistakes, the bastards. Just think how good we could've been if the opposition had kicked the ball into touch every time we made a mistake.
Just sounds like every West Brom fan when they were managed by Mowbray.
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It’s apparent that they have kept the squad age over the last couple of seasons which is probably more to do with PSR than anything else. They have not bought particularly well and let 2 of the best English players slip through their hands. Add to this the usual amount of injuries because it seems that all squads go through this and you have what we saw on Saturday.
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Popped over to Blue Moon to see what was being said, this is totally delusional;
"The problem with playing “high risk, high reward football” is that when it isn’t ultra precise we’re open to basic grunt tactics, The number of matches where the other teams just sit and wait for us to make a mistake is like watching us play lower league teams in a cup game. At the moment we are beating ourselves"
They had one tactic all afternoon and that was a long diagonal to Grealish, who then failed to deliver a telling ball all afternoon except for the cross to Gvardiol. Yesterday like last season they were out thought and out fought.
They're the opinions of an entitled oaf who probably never went anywhere near Maine road and thinks they're a big club - one of the first to disappear when they get relegated to league 2 for the 115.
I dunno, getting our good, strong, fast players to run at, and pass the ball around their slow, lazy, mediocre players and kick the ball hard past their goalkeeper is pretty basic, page-one-of-the-manual stuff.
Pity for them that their manager didn't pick up on it quicker.
Quite. It also doesn't make any sense.
'Sitting back and waiting for us to make mistakes' (if that's what they think we did) is not the same as adopting a 'grunt tactic'.
Lambert's Villa were the best team of the PL era - the only issue was opposition sides adopting 'grunt tactics' and exploiting our mistakes, the bastards. Just think how good we could've been if the opposition had kicked the ball into touch every time we made a mistake.
Just sounds like every West Brom fan when they were managed by Mowbray.
I think it's more to do with Guardiola not being the elite manager that everyone thinks he is. I'm no authority on his career but he's always had the best players possible everywhere he's been. Their main tactic on Saturday was to "surprise" Emery by starting Jack and pumping the ball to him at every opportunity. I won't go as far as to call him a fraud but until he goes somewhere where he doesn't have the luxury of playing FIFA 2025 in real life he's proved nothing in my view. But I really doubt we'll see him try. He will retire or become the Spain head coach.
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Yeah, he basically had about half of the Spain squad, when they had arguably the best international team of all time, plus Messi. Then managed Bayern Munich. Anyone on here would win the league with them, then managed Man City when they had unlimited spending power. He's never had the slightest adversity in his entire career. Until now. Shame.
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I think he is a brilliant coach, evidently.
He's not only won a truck load of trophies but he has changed the way football is played everywhere, to a large degree.
But he has weaknesses as a manger that were protected by having the best player in the world (by some stretch) in his first job, and all the riches in his subsequent jobs. He's not had to develop his skills in times of adversity because he's never had to face it, and when it comes he's lost.
This my issue with shiny new managers that have had great success initially, that's all well and good but what happens when the shit hits the fan?
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Just about to write the same. Man City had a dream run, spent a fortune that no other club could match and then got protection from the league preventing other clubs competing with them. They were a poor side before the sports washing and i for one am hoping they completely fall apart.
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Then managed Bayern Munich. Anyone on here would win the league with them
New England manager excepted, of course.
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You could argue he has had the best player in the world since 2020 which is partly why they won 4 titles on the trot and almost everything in 22/23. And whose absence is now felt.
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Saying Guardiola isn't an elite manager is borderline insane. I agree that there are caveats that a lot of people prefer not to acknowledge, but he's absolutely, obviously a brilliant coach.
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Then managed Bayern Munich. Anyone on here would win the league with them
New England manager excepted, of course.
I doubt even Pep could overcome the Kane curse.
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Then managed Bayern Munich. Anyone on here would win the league with them
New England manager excepted, of course.
In fairness, I don't think Tuchel posts on here.
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Then managed Bayern Munich. Anyone on here would win the league with them
New England manager excepted, of course.
In fairness, I don't think Tuchel posts on here.
Ha!
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Saying Guardiola isn't an elite manager is borderline insane. I agree that there are caveats that a lot of people prefer not to acknowledge, but he's absolutely, obviously a brilliant coach.
It's not insane mate it's an opinion. One shared by an awful lot of people. I guess they're all insane too?
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Saying Guardiola isn't an elite manager is borderline insane. I agree that there are caveats that a lot of people prefer not to acknowledge, but he's absolutely, obviously a brilliant coach.
It's not insane mate it's an opinion. One shared by an awful lot of people. I guess they're all insane too?
It is a bit. You've got be a bit mental to kind of come to the view that the man that has won what he has isn't elite.
Look, I don't like him, I think he's a smug, sniffs-his-own-farts bellend, and I don't much like his suffocate the opposition tactics, I think it spoils games as a spectacle, but trying to deny it because it doesn't suit my taste is foolish.
He's an elite coach, and he's a bellend that would be lost in a relegation struggle. The two things can true simultaneously.
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LeeB is correct on all counts in this matter.
I mean, if Guardiola isn't (all the stuff above, as well as literally changing how people are taught to play football) then which manager is?
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Yeah, he basically had about half of the Spain squad, when they had arguably the best international team of all time, plus Messi. Then managed Bayern Munich. Anyone on here would win the league with them, then managed Man City when they had unlimited spending power. He's never had the slightest adversity in his entire career. Until now. Shame.
If you haven’t already listen to one of the Irish blokes off The Villa Podcast for a top quality Guardiola rant. It’s a few years old but worth a listen.
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Yeah, he basically had about half of the Spain squad, when they had arguably the best international team of all time, plus Messi. Then managed Bayern Munich. Anyone on here would win the league with them, then managed Man City when they had unlimited spending power. He's never had the slightest adversity in his entire career. Until now. Shame.
If you haven’t already listen to one of the Irish blokes off The Villa Podcast for a top quality Guardiola rant. It’s a few years old but worth a listen.
Yes that is quite brilliant.
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Saying Guardiola isn't an elite manager is borderline insane. I agree that there are caveats that a lot of people prefer not to acknowledge, but he's absolutely, obviously a brilliant coach.
It's not insane mate it's an opinion. One shared by an awful lot of people. I guess they're all insane too?
If my opinion were that I was cage of canaries that would be an insane opinion.
On a more colloquial level (as in, I'm not actually saying they're sectionable), lots of Americans seem to think that you fight inflation with tariffs, lots of people seem to believe in the Rapture, lots of people even seem to be of the opinion that the earth is flat. About 20% of any given population can be relied on to believe some crazy old nonsense. So 'an awful lot of people' sharing an opinion is pretty irrelevant.
Anyway, didn't mean anything hostile. You're obviously free to have your opinion, and I'm free to think it's mental disagree ;).
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Saying Guardiola isn't an elite manager is borderline insane.
He’s a great manager of elite teams but a lot of people have questioned how well he’d do with a shit team or an aging team on the slide. It’s great to see.
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It's intriguing to see just how bad it gets for them. Right now I genuinely don't believe we'll finish above them just because of what they've been before. I'm not sure how many more defeats will change my mind.
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The “sacked in the morning” chants from the Holte on Saturday were almost as satisfying to hear as the “ Fergie Fergie on the dole” chants from Christmas 35 years ago.
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The best chant of the afternoon was 'you're not super anymore'
to you know who
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The best chant of the afternoon was 'you're not super anymore'
to you know who
yes, that was great because it was spontaneous.
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Both chants were brilliant. Loved being part of it.
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Saying Guardiola isn't an elite manager is borderline insane. I agree that there are caveats that a lot of people prefer not to acknowledge, but he's absolutely, obviously a brilliant coach.
It's not insane mate it's an opinion. One shared by an awful lot of people. I guess they're all insane too?
If my opinion were that I was cage of canaries that would be an insane opinion.
On a more colloquial level (as in, I'm not actually saying they're sectionable), lots of Americans seem to think that you fight inflation with tariffs, lots of people seem to believe in the Rapture, lots of people even seem to be of the opinion that the earth is flat. About 20% of any given population can be relied on to believe some crazy old nonsense. So 'an awful lot of people' sharing an opinion is pretty irrelevant.
Anyway, didn't mean anything hostile. You're obviously free to have your opinion, and I'm free to think it's mental disagree ;).
I'm not being hostile either so I'll respectfully disagree with you. I don't think anything has been proven either way. Everything that club has achieved since being taken over by the sports washing cheats is questionable hence the 115 charges. Pep has been in charge of a team who have had the ultimate cheat code and now they can't use it anymore they are struggling to cope. I will go to my grave not giving a scintilla of credit to that horrible club or any of their managers who've enjoyed the benefits of such blatant skullduggery.
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lots of Americans seem to think that you fight inflation with tariffs, lots of people seem to believe in the Rapture, lots of people even seem to be of the opinion that the earth is flat.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis, you can’t trust people.
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lots of Americans seem to think that you fight inflation with tariffs, lots of people seem to believe in the Rapture, lots of people even seem to be of the opinion that the earth is flat.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis, you can’t trust people.
And Mrs Brown's Boys.
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The goal we conceded still irks me though! ;)
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Me, too. It ruined what was an almost perfect performance, aside from the extra goals we should have scored.
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The goal we conceded still irks me though! ;)
Unfortunately Lucas Digne trod on the ball. Really annoying but shit happens as they say. On a positive note they needed that big stroke of luck to score a goal against us.
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And better to do it 93 minutes into a game we still win than something that makes a difference.
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I think it would of been a different game if Haarland was picked to play ;)
Rumours around that he is unhappy and would welcome a move - thats a shame
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I think it would of been a different game if Haarland was picked to play ;)
Rumours around that he is unhappy and would welcome a move - thats a shame
Maybe Leeds, if they get promoted
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Guardiola is like a chef at a top restaurant. He can use whatever ingredients he wants because money is no object and he can then turn that into something spectacular. However he's never had to make do with whatever he can find in a food van where all that matters is getting stuff out quickly.
He's still a great manager but you can only play the way he does with world class players who all buy into it and are known their jobs inside out. What he's found is that without Rodri he doesn't have anyone who can do that essential job in midfield and he can't seem to get anyone to join as cover because of how he fucked over the last guy who he tried.
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Who was the last bloke he tried who he fucked over?
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Guardiola, good manager who wants to play a certain way and is given all the tools he needs to do it.
I'm sure there are others out there, who are, or were, able to do the same but weren't afforded the luxury of the richest clubs with almost limitless funds to execute their plan.
Many are trying to copy his style of play but are less successful because they don't have the resources to do it successfully. It's looking like his brilliant system will only work if he has the best tools (read that whichever way you wish) to execute it.
Does that then, make him the best manager ever? Or would you look at other examples who have built a whole club, academy etc and brought young players through as well as buying the better players to do it?
So many of the best teams need at least one of the best players in order to be successful, though you need a good manager to do it too.
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The “sacked in the morning” chants from the Holte on Saturday were almost as satisfying to hear as the “ Fergie Fergie on the dole” chants from Christmas 35 years ago.
That’s exactly what I thought! Happy Christmas Chico!
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Who was the last bloke he tried who he fucked over?
Phillips
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Who was the last bloke he tried who he fucked over?
Phillips
Ah right. Yeah not the best man management there.
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The “sacked in the morning” chants from the Holte on Saturday were almost as satisfying to hear as the “ Fergie Fergie on the dole” chants from Christmas 35 years ago.
That’s exactly what I thought! Happy Christmas Chico!
And me.
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Yeh well we all know how that turned out!
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Who was the last bloke he tried who he fucked over?
Phillips
Ah right. Yeah not the best man management there.
He certainly didn't prove Guardiola wrong since
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I think it would of been a different game if Haarland was picked to play ;)
Rumours around that he is unhappy and would welcome a move - thats a shame
Who is Haarland?
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because he's just not that good, but the fact is that, for anyone looking at moving there as a DM, the last guy played about 2 hours of premier league football over 2 seasons.
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I quite like Rico Lewis as a player but I thought he was their weak on Saturday. He didn't seem to know where he was meant to be playing.
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I quite like Rico Lewis as a player but I thought he was their weak on Saturday. He didn't seem to know where he was meant to be playing.
I think he was trying to play in that advanced midfield fullback position ( where Trent Derby plays) but as you say didn't know whether to stick or twist.
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You've always got a chance with Rico Lewis in midfield , and Kovacic for that matter. Both are weak poor players .
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It's nice we can beat them again after so many years of their owner's sportswashing, sorry investment: well, at home that is!
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I don't see what Rico Lewis is good at. He's always looked shit to me.
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You've always got a chance with Rico Lewis in midfield , and Kovacic for that matter. Both are weak poor players .
FWIW, I thought that Gundogan and Bernardo Silva were poor, I half expected bath chairs to be brought on for them. In addition, De Bruyne must be near enough finished fitness wise if Pep wouldn't bring him on for 10-15 minutes.