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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2024, 04:21:48 PM
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Don't know much about him, but he appears to also be an option left wing back.
Good age, only 20 and bags of potential.
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Welcome Sam. Please be brilliant.
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Welcome and good luck Iling In The Name Of.
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Hopefully he’s decent.
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Another one with great potential that Emery and his team can hone.
Welcome to the greatest football club in the world!
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Is it confirmed? Have we had the Illing Communication?
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Is it confirmed? Have we had the Illing Communication?
Premature threads could Sabotage the deal.
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Is it confirmed? Have we had the Illing Communication?
Premature threads could Sabotage the deal.
Mods need to Get It Together.
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I’m hoping he’s an Intergalactico
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Has anyone seen him play ?
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I know you will all laugh at me but on Football manager 24 he is one of the hottest youngsters on the game, I always got him and turned out brilliant.
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Welcome, Sexual Iling.
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I’m hoping he’s an Intergalactico
I'm not bothered as long as he's got a Sure Shot
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Reading up a bit on him, he sounds legitimately exciting so it’s good we’re pushing for him in the deal.
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Welcome Samuel. Another exciting signing.
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His surname is Illing-Junior, as opposed to Illing Jr.
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His surname is Illing-Junior, as opposed to Illing Jr.
Bomb squad him. He’s already causing trouble.
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Not trusting this until Footy Vill confirms it.
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His surname is Illing-Junior, as opposed to Illing Jr.
Bomb squad him. He’s already causing trouble.
It's also only one 'l'. The awkward git.
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"One L in Iling, there's only one L in Iling..."
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So… is he a first teamer at Juventus or a reserve / youth player? The YouTube clips suggest the latter?
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36 Serie A appearances, 4 Copa Italia, 4 Europa, and 1 Champions League. He was promoted to the senior team in December 2022, so that's a season and a half-ish.
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Played the whole game when Juventus won the Coppa Italia last month.
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His surname is Illing-Junior, as opposed to Illing Jr.
Bomb squad him. He’s already causing trouble.
It's also only one 'l'. The awkward git.
Sod him, can't be arsed with the different ways we'll spell his name. Lets just get Perry Ng from Cardiff.
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...and do you pronounce it ill-ing? or eye-ling?
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Isn't this more than a bit premature?
Has it gone beyond talk of a Luiz swap?
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Isn't this more than a bit premature?
Has it gone beyond talk of a Luiz swap?
The Twitter football rumours Lord Romano has basically said it’s a done deal.
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36 Serie A appearances, 4 Copa Italia, 4 Europa, and 1 Champions League. He was promoted to the senior team in December 2022, so that's a season and a half-ish.
That's promising then.
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So if he is a wing back (and i am not sure from his clips) does this mean SUE is looking at a direct Digne replacement or going for the dreaded 3 -5- 2
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Come on now.
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Come on now.
I would imagine he is a left back but one that will bomb forward in SUE's favoured formation - they obviously do not fancy Sousa to be ready yet
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Come on now.
I think you'll be alright fella, even 4-3-3 is a bit fancy-schmancy for Unai! Four, four bleeding two,and you'll all get used to it!
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What's the difference between Sammy Davis Jr. and Sammy Iling Jr?
Iling has got two I's.
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Good player. Excellent prospect.
He is the type of youngster that I hoped we would be looking at as we progress.
Physical, 6'0", pacy, good dribbler, versatile, etc.
I am hoping that we can pick up a few more of the worlds best young talents.
This transfer kinda softens the blow of losing Luiz. But not completely.
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Come on now.
I would imagine he is a left back but one that will bomb forward in SUE's favoured formation - they obviously do not fancy Sousa to be ready yet
Looks more like a Bailey/Diaby type than a Moreno/Digne. Having failed to sign Nico Williams, I'm wondering whether Emery thinks he can turn him into that type of player. He might see him as that winger turned second striker that Emery likes to have next to the main striker.
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I think this makes a difference with the "homegrown" player UEFA rules apart from anything else.
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Come on now.
I would imagine he is a left back but one that will bomb forward in SUE's favoured formation - they obviously do not fancy Sousa to be ready yet
Looks more like a Bailey/Diaby type than a Moreno/Digne. Having failed to sign Nico Williams, I'm wondering whether Emery thinks he can turn him into that type of player. He might see him as that winger turned second striker that Emery likes to have next to the main striker.
I reckon Rogers is that player and Iling-Junior will be more of a traditional winger/wide-midfielder.
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Come on now.
I would imagine he is a left back but one that will bomb forward in SUE's favoured formation - they obviously do not fancy Sousa to be ready yet
Looks more like a Bailey/Diaby type than a Moreno/Digne. Having failed to sign Nico Williams, I'm wondering whether Emery thinks he can turn him into that type of player. He might see him as that winger turned second striker that Emery likes to have next to the main striker.
I reckon Rogers is that player and Iling-Junior will be more of a traditional winger/wide-midfielder.
Digne starts games; I-J finishes, being higher up the pitch but covering the left side.
And, there may be games where both Digne and I-J play, to strengthen the left side.
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Come on now.
I would imagine he is a left back but one that will bomb forward in SUE's favoured formation - they obviously do not fancy Sousa to be ready yet
Looks more like a Bailey/Diaby type than a Moreno/Digne. Having failed to sign Nico Williams, I'm wondering whether Emery thinks he can turn him into that type of player. He might see him as that winger turned second striker that Emery likes to have next to the main striker.
I reckon Rogers is that player and Iling-Junior will be more of a traditional winger/wide-midfielder.
Digne starts games; I-J finishes, being higher up the pitch but covering the left side.
And, there may be games where both Digne and I-J play, to strengthen the left side.
Maybe but I don't think he'd be in as a left back very often, I think a handful of wing-back appearances have got people thinking he's a lot more defensive than he really is.
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Come on now.
I would imagine he is a left back but one that will bomb forward in SUE's favoured formation - they obviously do not fancy Sousa to be ready yet
Looks more like a Bailey/Diaby type than a Moreno/Digne. Having failed to sign Nico Williams, I'm wondering whether Emery thinks he can turn him into that type of player. He might see him as that winger turned second striker that Emery likes to have next to the main striker.
I reckon Rogers is that player and Iling-Junior will be more of a traditional winger/wide-midfielder.
Digne starts games; I-J finishes, being higher up the pitch but covering the left side.
And, there may be games where both Digne and I-J play, to strengthen the left side.
Maybe but I don't think he'd be in as a left back very often, I think a handful of wing-back appearances have got people thinking he's a lot more defensive than he really is.
But also in this system, his defensive capabilities doesn't mean he wouldn't be playing there. He's never going to do doing a Konsa-at-right-back impression, but it's pretty easy to see him as the nominal left wing-back in the way that Moreno played at his best for us, where he's actually the furthest player forward at times in spite of where he started the game.
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But also in this system, his defensive capabilities doesn't mean he wouldn't be playing there. He's never going to do doing a Konsa-at-right-back impression, but it's pretty easy to see him as the nominal left wing-back in the way that Moreno played at his best for us, where he's actually the furthest player forward at times in spite of where he started the game.
Of course, I just suspect that isn't the primary reason we're interested in him.
Having it as an option is different to it being the plan for him and I think one of the key things about Emery is that he likes to have players that give him these options.
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European experience too, all the players we're linked with have it, I think it's more than just a coincidence.
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What's the difference between Sammy Davis Jr. and Sammy Iling Jr?
Iling has got two I's.
Under appreciated post, bravo!
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He will be a good signing.
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I've just been told that he's half Welsh, so it's actually lling-Junior. The first lower case 'l' is a a mistake that arises from his inability to form proper nouns correctly.
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Saw this… thing with arrows on it. His penetrating carries map;
https://x.com/TotalAnalysis/status/1801321135080186355 (https://x.com/TotalAnalysis/status/1801321135080186355)
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He will be a good signing.
That's where I am, Daz. Saw some Italian talking about him yesterday highlighting his incredible mental strength, so add that to his technical level, it's more about Unai deciding where's the best position to play him and convincing him it's in his best interests. Left wing back could see him own the Villa and England shirt for a decade. Supported in front by Ramsey and/or Rogers, the future is bright.
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Saw this… thing with arrows on it. His penetrating carries map;
https://x.com/TotalAnalysis/status/1801321135080186355 (https://x.com/TotalAnalysis/status/1801321135080186355)
No need to be rude, dear.
I'm not being rude, dear!
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I've just been told that he's half Welsh, so it's actually lling-Junior. The first lower case 'l' is a a mistake that arises from his inability to form proper nouns correctly.
Ylyng-Jwnir isn't it? Whose boots are these shoes.
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I've just been told that he's half Welsh, so it's actually lling-Junior. The first lower case 'l' is a a mistake that arises from his inability to form proper nouns correctly.
Ylyng-Jwnir isn't it? Whose boots are these shoes.
Ha! I read it as Lling, your Jwnir spelling is excellent tho' Risso.
I came out of the snooker club and there was my bike, missing.
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He will be a good signing.
That's where I am, Daz. Saw some Italian talking about him yesterday highlighting his incredible mental strength, so add that to his technical level, it's more about Unai deciding where's the best position to play him and convincing him it's in his best interests. Left wing back could see him own the Villa and England shirt for a decade. Supported in front by Ramsey and/or Rogers, the future is bright.
Oh, that England left back spot is definitely ours now I'd say.
- Samuel Iling-Junior
- Ben Chrisene
- Travis Patterson
- Lino Sousa
I reckon we've got the England U21, U20, U19 and U18 left backs there.
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And none of them will be here in two years ;D
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And none of them will be here in two years ;D
Aston Villa, FFP World Champions 2026/27.
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That podcast saying he's Traore levels of explosive fast sounds very promising. Recovery pace to help out the rare ocassions the backline is breached or when sides want to knock quick and long diagonals to try and expose us. Equally, with JJ or Big Rog, that's a pretty ferocious left hand side attack wise. All that pace and power ready to be harnessed and developed.
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That podcast saying he's Traore levels of explosive fast sounds very promising. Recovery pace to help out the rare ocassions the backline is breached or when sides want to knock quick and long diagonals to try and expose us. Equally, with JJ or Big Rog, that's a pretty ferocious left hand side attack wise. All that pace and power ready to be harnessed and developed.
Yeah, that's exciting. I can actually seeing Morgan being played more centrally though, as I think he's got brilliant balance and powerful running.
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Rogers might become the Watkins understudy once Duran goes.
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That podcast saying he's Traore levels of explosive fast sounds very promising. Recovery pace to help out the rare ocassions the backline is breached or when sides want to knock quick and long diagonals to try and expose us. Equally, with JJ or Big Rog, that's a pretty ferocious left hand side attack wise. All that pace and power ready to be harnessed and developed.
Yeah, that's exciting. I can actually seeing Morgan being played more centrally though, as I think he's got brilliant balance and powerful running.
The CL game the fella was referring to where Junior came on as sub and nearly changed the game with Juventus 4-1 down was away at Benfica. Enjoy a taster of what's to come next season!
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Rogers might become the Watkins understudy once Duran goes.
I firmly believe Rogers will become a striker in the long term but more of a complete player than a typical 9. There's a lot about him that makes me think he'll need the same focusing that Watkins did to really make the most of his ability.
As for I-J I have him as playing further forward exactly because of his pace and the option to draw teams on and then go over the top to him, bailey, Watkins and diaby who are all very quick at those breaks.
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With everyone coming back, we're going to be pretty tasty going forward.
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That podcast saying he's Traore levels of explosive fast sounds very promising. Recovery pace to help out the rare ocassions the backline is breached or when sides want to knock quick and long diagonals to try and expose us. Equally, with JJ or Big Rog, that's a pretty ferocious left hand side attack wise. All that pace and power ready to be harnessed and developed.
Yeah, that's exciting. I can actually seeing Morgan being played more centrally though, as I think he's got brilliant balance and powerful running.
The CL game the fella was referring to where Junior came on as sub and nearly changed the game with Juventus 4-1 down was away at Benfica. Enjoy a taster of what's to come next season!
I know nothing about him but what i have crammed watched over last few days makes me excited to see how he plays football
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Rogers might become the Watkins understudy once Duran goes.
Hhhmm interesting. With buendia back, SIJ signed and Ramsey back from injury it’d be beneficial for him if he could play multiple positions.
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People wanted rid of Buendia before he was injured. I wonder where he actually lies in the pecking order now.
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He had obviously worked on his fitness before the injury and looked decent pre-season. It would have been interesting to see how he would have done. Hopefully he can get back to those levels so we can find out.
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People wanted rid of Buendia before he was injured. I wonder where he actually lies in the pecking order now.
I do struggle to see where he fits in now but I'm happy to see him back fit and work it out from there, maybe a choice between him, rogers and JJ playing as a 10, I doubt we'll see Buendia on the left much though.
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I think Buendia competes for the Diaby position as well as the advanced midfield ones.
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I think Buendia competes for the Diaby position as well as the advanced midfield ones.
Yeah probably, I went with him being a little more on the left side wheras Diaby stays quite right sided but yes, it's similar.
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For the CL will he count as English (yes I know he is, but does time abroad count) if so him for Doug helps and the other incoming with Digne or Moreno out is neutral.
Similar for Duran hopefully.
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Rogers might become the Watkins understudy once Duran goes.
I firmly believe Rogers will become a striker in the long term but more of a complete player than a typical 9.
My view also. In more of a roaming position than a classic nine, part Stan (way he runs), part Yorke (way he strikes the ball).
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For the CL will he count as English (yes I know he is, but does time abroad count) if so him for Doug helps and the other incoming with Digne or Moreno out is neutral.
Similar for Duran hopefully.
From what I can see it's defined as a player, regardless of nationality, who has spent at least 3 years between the age of 15 and 21 at a club in the same national association. He was at Chelsea from 2011 to 2020, but would have only turned 15 in Oct 2018. So it depends on what way they count the years?
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Reading that he's having doubts about signing concerning getting regular minutes.
Half an hour talking to Unai about why he should join and how Unai sees him playing, and he'll become a believer.
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Reading that he's having doubts about signing concerning getting regular minutes.
Having seen the notes from the FAB meetings, I'm not surprised.
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Obviously has no confidence in his own abilty and showing signs of being a trouble maker. Bin him off.
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Is it too early to sell him to Chelsea?
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I thought Fabrizio said he was already on board?
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Reading that he's having doubts about signing concerning getting regular minutes.
With the volume of matches we have this season he's likely to see plenty of game time - even it he's not first name on the teamsheet to begin with.
Up to him to make the most of it.
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Way too early to have made a welcome thread
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Way too early to have made a welcome thread
A fair point.
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Way too early to have made a welcome thread
What happened to that bloke Fulham nicked off us, can't remember his name? Hoping he's playing in the Southern League South Relegation League.
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Way too early to have made a welcome thread
What happened to that bloke Fulham nicked off us, can't remember his name? Hoping he's playing in the Southern League South Relegation League.
Joe Bryan?
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That's the twat.
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At Millwall, apparently. Had completely forgotten about him until VFL's post reminded me.
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Way too early to have made a welcome thread
The thread doesn’t say that. We start player threads when there is solid evidence of the deal being imminent. Shit can always go wrong.
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Most likely a well hatched plan by his agent to alert the super power clubs to his availability. Still hope he comes but that would be my guess. Also all parties will be aware of the need to get it done and that can always put a nought or two on salaries and fees.
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Romano said he'd talked to Emery and was on board, made it sound like McKennie was the one with bits still left to tie up. I suppose it's possible someone else is interested in signing him and now they know he's available they've stuck their oar in and are promising more playing time.
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The hold-up seems to be McKennie wanting Juventus to pay up the remainder of his contract, which he's entltled to do and is quite common. If I had an employer owing me 1-2m euro's, I would want that resolved too.
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The hold-up seems to be McKennie wanting Juventus to pay up the remainder of his contract, which he's entltled to do and is quite common. If I had an employer owing me 1-2m euro's, I would want that resolved too.
Surely he'd only be entitled to the difference if he's going to be paid less at Villa? If you're on £50k a week at one club, I'd be amazed if the selling club paid that off, so you could go and earn twice as much somewhere else.
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It's usually why players are reluctant to hand in transfer requests even when they're agitating to leave, because as long as you don't submit a formal transfer request you'll be entitled to a compensation payment. How much will depend on the terms of the contract and subsequent negotiations. Regardless, it'll still be a hefty payment that I can't blame him for wanting to be sorted.
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I hope McKennie can reach an agreement with Juve. I'm looking forward to seeing him stretching the Villa shirt. Every time he wears it.
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Back when I followed things more closely, it was the case where your signing on fee was paid over the length of your contract, and handing in a transfer request meant that the current club didn't then have to pay it. Do players still hand in transfer requests, is there still a transfer list?
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I hope McKennie can reach an agreement with Juve. I'm looking forward to seeing him stretching the Villa shirt. Every time he wears it.
boooo fat shaming 😃, but made me laugh
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I hope McKennie can reach an agreement with Juve. I'm looking forward to seeing him stretching the Villa shirt. Every time he wears it.
boooo fat shaming 😃, but made me laugh
It's not fat shaming if the victim isn't fat. I think they'd call it gaslighting if he knew I was doing it, and gave a shit about it. Which he doesn't, because all he cares about is pork scratchings and cake.
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I hope McKennie can reach an agreement with Juve. I'm looking forward to seeing him stretching the Villa shirt. Every time he wears it.
boooo fat shaming 😃, but made me laugh
It's not fat shaming if the victim isn't fat. I think they'd call it gaslighting if he knew I was doing it, and gave a shit about it. Which he doesn't, because all he cares about is pork scratchings and cake.
I love that diet. 😃
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🟣🔵 Understand Samuel Iling Jr will undergo medical tests as Aston Villa player on Tuesday.
Iling Jr will sign deal valid until June 2029.
↪️🇦🇷 Medical this week for Enzo Barrenechea at #AVFC.
↪️🇧🇷 Medical also for Douglas Luiz as Juventus player ⚪️⚫️
Here we go, confirmed.
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He loves stretching out that fucking trademarked (or whatever) "here we go" bollocks...
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He loves stretching out that fucking trademarked (or whatever) "here we go" bollocks...
I hate that bellends like this exist a there is a place for them at all. I'm happy to see new signings confirmed by Phil Mepham on Central News, with a clip of said player holding a scarf in front of the North Stand, and Doug nearby desperate for attention.
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He loves stretching out that fucking trademarked (or whatever) "here we go" bollocks...
I hate that bellends like this exist a there is a place for them at all. I'm happy to see new signings confirmed by Phil Mepham on Central News, with a clip of said player holding a scarf in front of the North Stand, and Doug nearby desperate for attention.
So how does he earn a living on this
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How is Phil Meph these days?
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He loves stretching out that fucking trademarked (or whatever) "here we go" bollocks...
I hate that bellends like this exist a there is a place for them at all. I'm happy to see new signings confirmed by Phil Mepham on Central News, with a clip of said player holding a scarf in front of the North Stand, and Doug nearby desperate for attention.
So how does he earn a living on this
That’s a good question, is he also a journalist and writes actual articles or is he getting enough social media hits to make a living?
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He makes fuck all on Twitter, however he has Youtube as well as other platforms where he does make money.
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How is Phil Meph these days?
Ah heard two different versions...
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Welcome, Sam!
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/july/01/Aston-Villa-confirm-double-signing/
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Welcome Samuel, be good!
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Welcome Sam. Good news.
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Described as a defender on the website. Had him down as an attacker. Presumably if that’s why he’s been bought, both Digne and Moreno will be off.
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It is an interesting comment but I had wondered whether we would sell both Digne and Moreno.
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It is an interesting comment but I had wondered whether we would sell both Digne and Moreno.
I think selling both would be a bit rash. If one needs to go, I'd get rid of Moreno.
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It is an interesting comment but I had wondered whether we would sell both Digne and Moreno.
Seeing as we've brought two left-backs in, I would presume that will be the case?
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It is an interesting comment but I had wondered whether we would sell both Digne and Moreno.
Seeing as we've brought two left-backs in, I would presume that will be the case?
Iling-Junior looks more of a winger to me. He's played wing-back, but I don't know that he's played as a left back. Obviously Emery likes to go with a left back that can operate as a winger but you've still got to play sides who will pin you back and put you under pressure for long spells.
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I don't know enough about him to know whether he's a defender who can also play on the wing, or a winger who can also play in defence, but either way, it's a useful option to have a player down that side comfortable doing both - especially for any tactical tweaks required during a game. Let's hope he's equally adept in both positions!
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Welcome to Villa!
I think the fact that he was willing to go and play abroad at such a young age speaks for his maturity and dedication, it’s a big step at that age.
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Licensed to Ill.
Hold it now, Hit It.
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Is it eye-ling or ill-ing?
Either way, exciting prospect. Please be ace.
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Welcome, Sam!
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/july/01/Aston-Villa-confirm-double-signing/
The Ill Communication.
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I am very happy about this transfer.
As I mentioned before, he has pace, physicality, ability to run with the ball & a decent cross. He needs to work more on the defensive side of his game, especially if we are going to be using him at LWB, as his profile suggested on his welcome tweet, but either way, its more pace, energy, running, & crossing for that whole left hand side.
Its exciting not just for now, but with Ramsey being the oldest of all four players for that side, with Rogers, Maatsen, & Iling-Junior, its going to be exciting for years to come.
So I am delighted with this deal...
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Is it eye-ling or ill-ing?
Either way, exciting prospect. Please be ace.
Eye-ling surely? Unless we’re all going to start spelling ill wrong.
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Is it eye-ling or ill-ing?
Either way, exciting prospect. Please be ace.
Eye-king surely? Unless we’re all going to start spelling ill wrong.
Not a bad start to be fair mate! ;)
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Is it eye-ling or ill-ing?
Either way, exciting prospect. Please be ace.
Eye-king surely? Unless we’re all going to start spelling ill wrong.
Not a bad start to be fair mate! ;)
Bloody autocorrect!
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Is it eye-ling or ill-ing?
Either way, exciting prospect. Please be ace.
Eye-king surely? Unless we’re all going to start spelling ill wrong.
Not a bad start to be fair mate! ;)
Bloody autocorrect!
I think we'd all just better stick with 'Sam' or this could get a bit Clarky :)
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smiling
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You can never have too many left Backs.
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You can never have too many left Backs.
As Our Ezri proved last night by stepping into the breach for England 🏴
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Welcome, Sam! UTV! Wherever SUE decides you fit best!!
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Bold irresponsible and reckless prediction. Iling-Jr will emerge as a key player this season and become our version of Gareth Bale in the next few years.
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Bold irresponsible and reckless prediction. Iling-Jr will emerge as a key player this season and become our version of Gareth Bale in the next few years.
That would be great. He has pace and confidence and might just be a bums off seats player for us. Might also mean that we switch to three at the back at times next season if he can play wing-back too. I think we are a dominant centre back and dynamic midfielder away from being a really good side.
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Bold irresponsible and reckless prediction. Iling-Jr will emerge as a key player this season and become our version of Gareth Bale in the next few years.
Gareth Bale famously went TWENTY-FOUR games for Spurs at the start of his career without a single win. I would really rather that wasn't part of Sam's career with us...
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I like that he appears to be a footballer and have Traore levels of acceleration.
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Which Traore ;)
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Comes across well on the Pravda vid. Handsome fecker too and that's some heavy-duty leather jacket for a sunny day in July.
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Comes across well on the Pravda vid. Handsome fecker too and that's some heavy-duty leather jacket for a sunny day in July.
It's not been much of a summer.
You too can get the Iling-Junior look. https://eu.aimeleondore.com/products/ald-vanson-raffia-leather-jacket-1
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Reckless and irresponsible prediction based on nothing at all other than I’m wearing Villa tinted glasses, but I’ll go out on a limb and say SI Jr will become our version of Gareth Bale in a few years. Marauding down the left, quick and has a good shot on him.
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Reckless and irresponsible prediction based on nothing at all other than I’m wearing Villa tinted glasses, but I’ll go out on a limb and say SI Jr will become our version of Gareth Bale in a few years. Marauding down the left, quick and has a good shot on him.
You planning on saying that once a day until the season starts?
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Reckless and irresponsible prediction based on nothing at all other than I’m wearing Villa tinted glasses, but I’ll go out on a limb and say SI Jr will become our version of Gareth Bale in a few years. Marauding down the left, quick and has a good shot on him.
You planning on saying that once a day until the season starts?
Probably, it's his reckless and irresponsible predilection.
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We have that many options on our left side now, are we in danger of tipping over?
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We have that many options on our left side now, are we in danger of tipping over?
Maybe that's why we haven't been seriously linked with any RBs yet, we're just going to abandon that side of the pitch entirely.
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Or maybe it's because there's bugger all wrong with the right back we've got? :)
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Or maybe it's because there's bugger all wrong with the right back we've got? :)
It's more the fact we only have one, and he's been linked with a move away too.
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Or maybe it's because there's bugger all wrong with the right back we've got? :)
It's more the fact we only have one, and he's been linked with a move away too.
Well there's Kosta Nedeljkovic as well.
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Or maybe it's because there's bugger all wrong with the right back we've got? :)
It's more the fact we only have one, and he's been linked with a move away too.
Well there's Kosta Nedeljkovic as well.
The 18 year old who has only played a few games since January.
I'm not saying we need to break the bank there, but a few links would be nice.
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We have been linked with that Kayode kid from Fiorentina.
The media reckon we have had two bids rejected.
First for £15M & second for £20M. (That might be euros though)
Apparently...
There has also been talk of us liking Dumfries too.
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Now he's here, he'll need a song.
And when I get that feeling
I want Samuel Iling
Samuel Iling, so good for AV
Makes me feel so fine, it's such a rush
Helps to relieve the mind, he's good for us.
*Obviously helps if it's pronounced ee-ling.
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I think for his song we should go simple, yet off-piste.
I was thinking you could do something with I’m A Secret Lemonade Drinker.
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Mustang Sammy, uh, uh
Guess you better slow your Mustang down
Oh, Lord, what I say now
Mustang Sammy, now baby, oh Lord
Guess you better slow your Mustang down, huh, oh yeah
You've been running all over the town now
Oh, I guess I'll have to put your flat feet on the ground, huh
What I said now
Listen, all you wanna do is ride around Sammy (ride, Sammy, ride) uh
All you wanna do is ride around Sammy (ride, Sammy, ride) uh
All you wanna do is ride around Sammy (ride, Sammy, ride) uh
All you wanna do is ride around Sammy (ride, Sammy, ride)
One of these early mornings (whoo!), you gonna be wiping your weeping eyes, huh
What I said now
I bought you a brand-new Mustang, a 1965
Now you come around signifying a woman
You don't wanna let me ride Mustang Sammy now baby, oh Lord
Guess you better slow that Mustang down huh, oh Lord
You've been running all over the town
Oh! I'll have to put your flat feet on the ground, huh
What I said now
Listen one more time y'all
All you wanna do is ride around Sammy (ride, Sammy, ride)
All you wanna do is ride around Sammy (ride, Sammy, ride)
All you wanna-
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Iling in the name of!
Iling in the name of!
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When he’s on the bench and we need a goal, we’ll be singing ‘Come on Iling’ surely?
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When he’s on the bench and we need a goal, we’ll be singing ‘Come on Iling’ surely?
It may be required by law, certainly it’s morally right.
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When he’s on the bench and we need a goal, we’ll be singing ‘Come on Iling’ surely?
Thanks, now I can’t get that out of my head
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When he’s on the bench and we need a goal, we’ll be singing ‘Come on Iling’ surely?
Thanks, now I can’t get that out of my head
You’re welcome. To-loo-ri-ay.
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Let's make this precious.
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His name fits a certain Oasis song;
Someday he will skin you, race towards the byline,
Yes it’s Samuel Iling-Junior racing by.
I did try and type it in a manc snarl, but I’m much too civilised for that.
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His name fits a certain Oasis song;
Someday he will skin you, race towards the byline,
Yes it’s Samuel Iling-Junior racing by.
I'm all for anything, that means I done have to hear 'Come on Iling'.
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Mustang Sammy, uh, uh
Guess you better slow your Mustang down
Has CD been seen in the same room as Footy?
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Hopefully he does so well for us that Southgate will be picking him to be anonymous in central midfield in a future tournament.
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We need to know how he pronounces his name before a song can be decided on. Come on Ill-ing doesn't even work!
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My Ding-Iling.
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We need to know how he pronounces his name before a song can be decided on. Come on Ill-ing doesn't even work!
Even if he tells us, no guarantee anyone will pay any attention. See, for evidence, Wilfred Bouma.
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My Ding-Iling.
Winner.
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We need to know how he pronounces his name before a song can be decided on. Come on Ill-ing doesn't even work!
Even if he tells us, no guarantee anyone will pay any attention. See, for evidence, Wilfred Bouma.
See also LucaS Digne, who is called Luca by every commentator.
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My Ding-Iling.
Wiener.
FTFY.
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We need to know how he pronounces his name before a song can be decided on. Come on Ill-ing doesn't even work!
Even if he tells us, no guarantee anyone will pay any attention. See, for evidence, Wilfred Bouma.
See also LucaS Digne, who is called Luca by every commentator.
To be fair, that's because it is how you say it.
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It's 'Eyeling' and it's hyphenated: Iling-Junior.
Sam, or I-J will do.
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It's 'Eyeling' and it's hyphenated: Iling-Junior.
Sam, or I-J will do.
IJ,
IJ, IJ,
IJ, IJ,
IJ, Iling-Junior?
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We need to know how he pronounces his name before a song can be decided on. Come on Ill-ing doesn't even work!
Even if he tells us, no guarantee anyone will pay any attention. See, for evidence, Wilfred Bouma.
See also LucaS Digne, who is called Luca by every commentator.
To be fair, that's because it is how you say it.
Except its not how Lucas says it. Video on YouTube of him reading a bedtime story while at Everton and he introduces himself as Lucas. There's a video of Jacob Ramsey guessing team mates too and he s
calls him Lucas.
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Is SIJ only a left sider then? I thought he could play both sides as a wide-man or wingback
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Is SIJ only a left sider then? I thought he could play both sides as a wide-man or wingback
He's described as being two footed but left wingback was his prominent position for Juventus.
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It's 'Eyeling' and it's hyphenated: Iling-Junior.
Sam, or I-J will do.
And it's I L, Samuel Iling,
Everywhere you go well, Junior.
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It's 'Eyeling' and it's hyphenated: Iling-Junior.
Sam, or I-J will do.
If this is correct then I fully support "Come On Eye-ling"
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We need to know how he pronounces his name before a song can be decided on. Come on Ill-ing doesn't even work!
Even if he tells us, no guarantee anyone will pay any attention. See, for evidence, Wilfred Bouma.
See also LucaS Digne, who is called Luca by every commentator.
To be fair, that's because it is how you say it.
Except its not how Lucas says it. Video on YouTube of him reading a bedtime story while at Everton and he introduces himself as Lucas. There's a video of Jacob Ramsey guessing team mates too and he s
calls him Lucas.
https://youtu.be/WOuk0HhcNqg?si=XpB8bL1bjURy0u91
BE, which is it?
Edit: Deleted, didn't read AV84's post properly. If that's how Lucas introduces himself then it must be. It's not how all the French speaking examples on YouTube say it, though, strangely.
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Bargain of the season - I think he’s going to be sensational.
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Didn't impress me particularly, though it looks like he can cross a ball.
Early days yet.
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Did one superb turn in the first half against Trnava. The move then broke down until we regained possession and Bailey scored a beauty.
Otherwise, pretty quiet from Sam, though he does take his defensive duties seriously.
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In the 90 mins I’ve seen of him so far he seems very lightweight and lacking confidence, and I’ve yet to see that he has the ability we need …….. but it’s early days
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In the 90 mins I’ve seen of him so far he seems very lightweight and lacking confidence, and I’ve yet to see that he has the ability we need …….. but it’s early days
“Early days” is quite the understatement here.
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Bargain of the season - I think he’s going to be sensational.
I think you're right. I've just been watching some more of his highlights and one trait he has is the complete unexpected. It's like his brain is on another level, hot wired to confuse the opponent even the fans. He has vision beyond my football watching years, it's like 'how the f**k did he see that pass?' It's magic, dark arts, like speed chess with a ball, it's going to be a joy to watch every week. It's difficult to put into words but I'm sure it won't be long before fans are equally confused and delighted.
Oh and he's not bad at the simple stuff too.
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Only problem with players like that is that they often take their own teammates by surprise and it can be difficult to get onto the same wavelength as them.
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Only problem with players like that is that they often take their own teammates by surprise and it can be difficult to get onto the same wavelength as them.
Oh absolutely but fortunately we're raising the bar right across the pitch with players of higher technical ability.
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Seems like a good lad!
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Confirms how his name is pronounced as well, Illing to rhyme with chilling.
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^ Shame. Come on Eileen goes back on the shelf.
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I think he can be Mister Showbusiness afterall he is Sammy Junior!
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Bargain of the season - I think he’s going to be sensational.
I think you're right. I've just been watching some more of his highlights and one trait he has is the complete unexpected. It's like his brain is on another level, hot wired to confuse the opponent even the fans. He has vision beyond my football watching years, it's like 'how the f**k did he see that pass?' It's magic, dark arts, like speed chess with a ball, it's going to be a joy to watch every week. It's difficult to put into words but I'm sure it won't be long before fans are equally confused and delighted.
Oh and he's not bad at the simple stuff too.
Said this at Juventus
"My goals are high. I want to be a top-class player, winning trophies, being an important part, making people remember, always making people happy. When they see my name I want them to have a smile on their face. Because that’s just the way I have always been when I was younger and people would compliment me and say ‘you played well today; you made me happy’ it made me feel good. It’s about winning but it’s also about that as well. I want to win games: I want to win trophies; I want to be a serial winner and being at Juventus has helped me as well. It’s made me understand the importance of winning.”
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Looks like Samuel wants a loan move
https://archive.ph/W0YyY
As reported by Jacob Tanswell
https://x.com/TheAthleticFC/status/1825831923437940876?t=a7zoYgoJkT_PhjuYeIolgQ&s=19
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Given he was a regular starter for Juventus, you'd hope that it's a loan move somewhere at a pretty decent level.
He'd probably start for a Brentford or a Fulham you'd think.
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It's still a bit weird wrapping the head around us making two different types of signings - those who will challenge for the first team immediately and those we've been more speculative about and are happy to loan-out straight away. Make money on them in the future or maybe reintegrate them.
It's a bit...hollow, innit?
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Given he was a regular starter for Juventus, you'd hope that it's a loan move somewhere at a pretty decent level.
He'd probably start for a Brentford or a Fulham you'd think.
Any of the newly promoted sides he would start for surely. Wolves loan might work, they are a wide player light and have no money. He has to play wherever he goes though.
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Does he feel like a bit of an odd signing given the make up of our squad? I had assumed he was going to be more meaningfully involved.
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It's still a bit weird wrapping the head around us making two different types of signings - those who will challenge for the first team immediately and those we've been more speculative about and are happy to loan-out straight away. Make money on them in the future or maybe reintegrate them.
It's a bit...hollow, innit?
It is, but in the long term it's better than signing players on big money that we end up stuck with. At least this way we should be able to shift any that aren't improving the 1st team.
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Does he feel like a bit of an odd signing given the make up of our squad? I had assumed he was going to be more meaningfully involved.
It was just an FFP play. We got really screwed over with the Luiz sale. The global fee was incredibly low for a player of his status and the make-weights were exactly that. We MAY make decent money on them in due course but it's a gamble and doesn't make up for what should have been a £70-80m player sale.
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We MAY make decent money on them in due course but it's a gamble and doesn't make up for what should have been a £70-80m player sale.
I don't see why this is a gamble any more than any other signing we'd make. It's easy to forget how young he still is - he's younger than Louie Barry, but has still spent the last two years getting regular game time for Juventus. That's not the same profile as signing Lewis Dobbin.
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Does he feel like a bit of an odd signing given the make up of our squad? I had assumed he was going to be more meaningfully involved.
It was just an FFP play. We got really screwed over with the Luiz sale. The global fee was incredibly low for a player of his status and the make-weights were exactly that. We MAY make decent money on them in due course but it's a gamble and doesn't make up for what should have been a £70-80m player sale.
There is more to Iling-Junior than just FFP fiddling in my humble opinion.
I believe him to be a player that can be big in our future, so to get him before he becomes a £60M+ player is smart forward thinking.
Obviously, it's a bit of a gamble, as all young players are, but the potential benefits of making deals like this could be huge going forward.
If Iling-Junior wants the regular game time that he cant be promised by Villa right now, then a loan would be a good option, but it would have to be at a decent level as he has been playing for Juventus for a year or so now, so at least mid table Prem, or top end France, Italy, Germany or Spain has to be the sort of level we are looking at for him.
And hopefully he comes back a more rounded footballer who can pop straight into our first team.
I do agree that we were shafted on the Luiz deal though. I said it at the time & I believe it now that we needed to add Soule to the deal as well as Barranechea & Iling-Junior to make it worth our while.
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Just read an article where Leeds are linked. They need a left back and winger apparently so. He’d be an ideal fit for them.
Just about makes sense as he’ll improve more at Leeds than on our bench. However the burden on Jaden would increase as he and Bailey would be the only genuine wingers.
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Just read an article where Leeds are linked. They need a left back and winger apparently so. He’d be an ideal fit for them.
Just about makes sense as he’ll improve more at Leeds than on our bench. However the burden on Jaden would increase as he and Bailey would be the only genuine wingers.
He can't go from a regular at Juve to the Championship surely?
I would hope all this had been outlined to him when he signed and it hasn't come as a surprise to be punted off on loan weeks after signing. Would be pretty shitty treatment if so.
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Just read an article where Leeds are linked. They need a left back and winger apparently so. He’d be an ideal fit for them.
Tricky. It feels like his playing level should be higher than that. But is his development / our first team / our future PSR compliance, however it pans out be better from:
(a) playing forty games and scoring twenty for Leeds
(b) playing twenty games and scoring five for Wolves
(c) playing ten games and scoring two for us
It's probably the first, but it feels like it would be a big step down for him.
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I guess the stats at Juventus are a bit misleading as he only started 5 league games last season, so going out on loan may be the best thing, and he is very young.
I wonder if Barrenechea may go on loan as well. Now he was a regular in Serie A last season, albeit at Frosinone.
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Having said that a loan for Iling-Junior might be beneficial, on the flip side, at some point we are going to have to start being selfish & thinking purely about Villa in terms of having a squad that can cope with all of the games we are going to have to play this season.
We are already weakened from a first team perspective for losing Douglas Luiz & Diaby, so do we really want to send all the players that bulk up the squad out on loan?
Its a tough call tbh.
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I think Iling-Junior is currently our third or fourth choice left back and third or fourth choice left winger/left midfielder. Injuries and suspensions aside, I can't see how he gets on the bench in a PL game, and might not make the cut for the CL squad. We're also not in the early round of the League Cup, so we can't even give him a run out there against a L2 side.
A loan deal seems sensible, especially if we can get him into another PL club.
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20 goals from Leeds as an auxiliary left-sided player would be some going!
Plus don't they have their want-away Willy Gnonto playing there?
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20 goals from Leeds as an auxiliary left-sided player would be some going!
Plus don't they have their want-away Willy Gnonto playing there?
I'm guessing they'd see him as a replacement for Summerville, who got 21 goals from the left-wing for them last season.
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I think Iling-Junior is currently our third or fourth choice left back and third or fourth choice left winger/left midfielder. Injuries and suspensions aside, I can't see how he gets on the bench in a PL game, and might not make the cut for the CL squad. We're also not in the early round of the League Cup, so we can't even give him a run out there against a L2 side.
A loan deal seems sensible, especially if we can get him into another PL club.
This my view too. Happy to loan him out till Jan. and then reassess based on his form/any injuries we may have.
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I hope the rumours of a loan are not true. Its going to be a long season we will need him
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I can imagine that having made 24 league appearances for Juventus last season, he might be a little disappointed not to make the matchday squad against West Ham. Unfortunately for him, there are a lot of bodies between him and the first team at the moment.
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I guess the stats at Juventus are a bit misleading as he only started 5 league games last season, so going out on loan may be the best thing, and he is very young.
I wonder if Barrenechea may go on loan as well. Now he was a regular in Serie A last season, albeit at Frosinone.
I reckon we will keep the Barron around as a backup to Onana. Kamara is still a while away, and we need the backup at least till the next transfer window when we can loan him out if necessary.
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I guess the stats at Juventus are a bit misleading as he only started 5 league games last season, so going out on loan may be the best thing, and he is very young.
I wonder if Barrenechea may go on loan as well. Now he was a regular in Serie A last season, albeit at Frosinone.
I reckon we will keep the Barron around as a backup to Onana. Kamara is still a while away, and we need the backup at least till the next transfer window when we can loan him out if necessary.
Yeah, I'd keep Chea Guevara around as well.
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It does seem odd out of all the players we could have got from juve for the luiz deal both could be loaned out potentially.
Im not in favour of loaning either him or enzo
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Odd, this.
Esp we're letting Moreno go as well.
Two rookies and a bag of pork scratchings for Douglas Luiz never looked a great deal. But the hope was that the likes of Illing, the Baron and Dobbin would come in and give us more from the bench when we get to the busy phases of the season. Now we're punting two of those out on loan.
We all know how stretched we were in April/May last season. Not sure why we'd chance repeating that.
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Odd, this.
Esp we're letting Moreno go as well.
Two rookies and a bag of pork scratchings for Douglas Luiz never looked a great deal. But the hope was that the likes of Illing, the Baron and Dobbin would come in and give us more from the bench when we get to the busy phases of the season. Now we're punting two of those out on loan.
We all know how stretched we were in April/May last season. Not sure why we'd chance repeating that.
Just hope its paper talk. This year ia going ti be even moew demanding than last year. Both should be staying here
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The Premier League is much more physical than Serie A, so I wonder if Unai is sending him out on loan, partly to get minutes, but mostly to toughen him up a bit. Be good if he stayed in the Prem but think he will go to a top Championship side. Hopefully a recall for January inserted, just in case we need him.
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I think Emery gave everyone a fair shot in preseason and those who impressed, like Nedeljkovic, will be given their chances now the league has started. If Iling-Junior is still some way off the first team, and a loan deal might free up some wages (combined with Moreno) for someone else to come in, then it's not a bad idea.
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We showed interest in him last January so I don't think it was a Dobben-style purely for PSR type of deal.
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The Premier League is much more physical than Serie A, so I wonder if Unai is sending him out on loan, partly to get minutes, but mostly to toughen him up a bit. Be good if he stayed in the Prem but think he will go to a top Championship side. Hopefully a recall for January inserted, just in case we need him.
I don't see any point in sending him out to perform in the Championship.
He has already proven that he can play at a higher level than the Championship & if we send him out to a Prem side, he is going to get a taste of both the speed & physicality that he will be facing in the Prem before he comes back to us.
Apart from him getting more games at a standard lower than he is already used to, which will do nothing for his development, there is no upside to him going on loan to a Championship side.
If the only option is a Championship club, I would rather keep him here & play him in the League Cup.
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Odd, this.
Esp we're letting Moreno go as well.
Two rookies and a bag of pork scratchings for Douglas Luiz never looked a great deal. But the hope was that the likes of Illing, the Baron and Dobbin would come in and give us more from the bench when we get to the busy phases of the season. Now we're punting two of those out on loan.
We all know how stretched we were in April/May last season. Not sure why we'd chance repeating that.
Totally agree. Fair enough we look loaded right now especially with Mings and Kamara returning before Xmas but once the CL, injuries and suspensions kick in we will need to ensure the bench remains as strong as it was on Saturday, because that is what will make a lot of difference in tight games.
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Maybe he should go to Chelsea on loan they’re short of bodies.
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I think LB is the one position where we have more players than Chelsea, currently.
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He covers LB/LWB & LM/LW, so his versatility down that side will be useful if we pick up any injuries.
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Just makes no sense to me aigning two players who we may loan out. We need players now to help the team duringvthis tough campaign
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Just makes no sense to me aigning two players who we may loan out. We need players now to help the team duringvthis tough campaign
They were exchange players and perhaps aren’t considered first team worthy and champions league ready.
Certainly Barrenechea wasn’t first choice at all fir exchange and McKennie wasn’t prepared to reduce his wages or compete for a starting place.
Both Sammy Jr and El Barren are players who could have sell on value and I think can’t be too surprised especially if we can get champions league ready players in place in the squad
Of the two I much rather have Sammy jr stay if necessary but can only assume signings coming in if he leaves
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Of the two I much rather have Sammy jr stay if necessary but can only assume signings coming in if he leaves
You keep saying this but Barrenechea appears to have impressed more so than I-J, and he also got more La Liga experience last season.
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Serie A... 👍
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Of the two I much rather have Sammy jr stay if necessary but can only assume signings coming in if he leaves
You keep saying this but Barrenechea appears to have impressed more so than I-J, and he also got more La Liga experience last season.
I really don't see how El Barren can be a starter in our midfield and he’s far down the pecking order. Just feels like a player that may be sold on in the future. I mean, he can learn develop and has some support of Spanish-speaking players, but he is far from the best option for midfield. Not for our level. Cup games may be possible, but starting games in the league or Champions League are a long way off, so it's not surprising if he's not in the squad again on Saturday.
However, letting go of both Sammy jr and Barren exchange without acceptable upgrades as replacement for squad depth would not be sensible, but we haven't heard anything from El Barren at all, and he's someone who may take some time to adjust.
Good luck to both of them because they are Villa players, but I do not see them as players who will contribute much in the short term.
It's like latest transfer with this Kane Taylor signing doesn't interest me heaps at all because he'll most likely be moved on than make it here and I assume one, if not both, of Juventus' exchange players are cattle livestock.
I also prefer Sammy Jr. because of his English academy experience and excitement level. El Barren appears to be a typical South American defensive midfielder. It remains to be seen, but they must be viewed as bit players who were traded and are battling to be squad members, let alone first-team starters. Of course keep them in and around the squad if can’t bring in ready to go players.
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Was anything said about why they were left out at the weekend ? They may just not be ready for the prem, and it's important to get off to a good start. As it was we used 3 new faces on Saturday. If we'd left Buendia and Barkley at home would we be assuming they were no longer part of the plans for the season?
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Was anything said about why they were left out at the weekend ? They may just not be ready for the prem, and it's important to get off to a good start. As it was we used 3 new faces on Saturday. If we'd left Buendia and Barkley at home would we be assuming they were no longer part of the plans for the season?
I’m struggling to think who on the bench I’d have replace to include those two
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Was anything said about why they were left out at the weekend ? They may just not be ready for the prem, and it's important to get off to a good start. As it was we used 3 new faces on Saturday. If we'd left Buendia and Barkley at home would we be assuming they were no longer part of the plans for the season?
I’m struggling to think who on the bench I’d have replace to include those two
Gauci. We don't need any other keepers at the club.
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Was anything said about why they were left out at the weekend ? They may just not be ready for the prem, and it's important to get off to a good start. As it was we used 3 new faces on Saturday. If we'd left Buendia and Barkley at home would we be assuming they were no longer part of the plans for the season?
Can't put everyone on the bench, who would they have been on for?
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Fabs confirmed he is being allowed to be loaned out. I think we could be shooting ourselves in the foot here. Its going to be a very demanding season. Rotation is goibg to be key
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Was anything said about why they were left out at the weekend ? They may just not be ready for the prem, and it's important to get off to a good start. As it was we used 3 new faces on Saturday. If we'd left Buendia and Barkley at home would we be assuming they were no longer part of the plans for the season?
I’m struggling to think who on the bench I’d have replace to include those two
Romano
“Aston Villa have decided to let Samuel Illing Jr leave on loan to allow him to play on a regular basis. Spanish, French, and Italian clubs are keen on signing the winger who joined as part of Douglas Luiz deal from Juventus”
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Fabs confirmed he is being allowed to be loaned out. I think we could be shooting ourselves in the foot here. Its going to be a very demanding season. Rotation is goibg to be key
Yes was reading this news myself however we can expect clearing space to bring some one in ?
Sterling or Lo Celso perhaps ?
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Fabs confirmed he is being allowed to be loaned out. I think we could be shooting ourselves in the foot here. Its going to be a very demanding season. Rotation is goibg to be key
Yes was reading this news myself however we can expect clearing space to bring some one in ?
Sterling or Lo Celso perhaps ?
Gosh (this isnt a dig at you FV so please dont take it like that) but my godness if thats the type of player emery is looking ti bring in i am going to be a bit concerned. Ones shite and the other is always injured
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Was anything said about why they were left out at the weekend ? They may just not be ready for the prem, and it's important to get off to a good start. As it was we used 3 new faces on Saturday. If we'd left Buendia and Barkley at home would we be assuming they were no longer part of the plans for the season?
Can't put everyone on the bench, who would they have been on for?
That's my point. It seems we are willing to let Iling-Junior go on loan, but it was as likely that on Saturday there just wasn't room for two more new guys who haven't played in the Prem, when we have experienced, and currently fit, players ahead of them. A couple of weeks down the line, fixtures coming thick and fast, an inevitable injury to someone, and the bench looks different.
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Serie A... 👍
Damn! I had a feeling I'd made a mistake!
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Was anything said about why they were left out at the weekend ? They may just not be ready for the prem, and it's important to get off to a good start. As it was we used 3 new faces on Saturday. If we'd left Buendia and Barkley at home would we be assuming they were no longer part of the plans for the season?
Can't put everyone on the bench, who would they have been on for?
That's my point. It seems we are willing to let Iling-Junior go on loan, but it was as likely that on Saturday there just wasn't room for two more new guys who haven't played in the Prem, when we have experienced, and currently fit, players ahead of them. A couple of weeks down the line, fixtures coming thick and fast, an inevitable injury to someone, and the bench looks different.
Welcome two keepers on bench again 😔
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I haven't read any of the articles about this, but do we know if he's asked to go on loan, possibly as a reaction to not being picked on Saturday? Or is it a case of Emery and Co making the decision that it's the best option for the player. Or was it always the plan?
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It’s a great strategy. Digne is going to leave at some point but is good for another season. Get the lad some first team action then bed him in as second choice then first choice eventually.
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And as for numbers come on everyone we could be Chelsea!
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I haven't read any of the articles about this, but do we know if he's asked to go on loan, possibly as a reaction to not being picked on Saturday? Or is it a case of Emery and Co making the decision that it's the best option for the player. Or was it always the plan?
The general gist from what I read is that he wants regular football for his development. He must have had that impression when he signed, but maybe now sees too many ahead of him and/or Emery has had to dampen expectations having seen him pre-season.
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I would be amazed if going on loan is a surprise for him, he'd doubtless have discussed that whilst negotiating to join, he'd have wanted to know what the club had planned for him.
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There are many things I like about Emery and I particularly like his deciveness.
Most of us quibbled about sending out Archer on loan,especially after selling Ings but it gave Duran an opportunity.
Moreno excelled in his first season but has depsrted 12 months later.
He got Torres from his former club but steered clear of Jackson.His squad wiill never become excessive in numbers and that helps with finances,sadly a more and more important factor.
Loaning out Iling helps the player and us financially.
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I do keep forgetting how young Iling-Junior actually is. He's basically the same age as Jhon Duran (actually one month older), which makes him a year younger than players like Louie Barry and Kessler Hayden (who we still think of as 'promising youngsters').
It's not a surprise that he's not particularly close to being a first-team regular, and if Unai's team think his development would be better served playing regular minutes elsewhere, then I don't doubt for a moment we can find a top-flight club somewhere willing to give him those minutes.
However, I am surprised that we're not keeping him around for the numbers, though. Given the tired way we petered out last season, I would have thought keeping players around with top-flight first-time experience, who can play a dozen games or so that allow us to rest key players when necessary, would be a good thing to do?
But I've learned enough not to question Unai when he does something that "seems" like maybe it's the wrong thing to do.
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Apparently we can't loan him on to another prem team.
That's annoying as he'd be a good pick up for Leicester or Southampton and could get 30 starts at the level we want to see him at.
We've just signed him 12 months too early. Next summer Digne will leave and perhaps Ramsey will be next summer's Luiz so I think they'll be more space in the squad for him if the loan goes well.
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Do we loan him back to Serie A then, or another country with a decent top-flight?
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It’s a great strategy. Digne is going to leave at some point but is good for another season. Get the lad some first team action then bed him in as second choice then first choice eventually.
Yeah, agree here. It's worth remembering it also gives Maatsen a bit of time to settle, since there's already an established left back as cover/rotation. Then potentially next summer, Digne leaves and Iling-Junior is there as a ready-made replacement with Maatsen the more established player in that position.
I could see something similar happen at right back in the next season or two, if Geertruida's brought in - him & Cash as the main right-back pair, with Nedeljkovic going out on loan at a decent (Premier League, Serie A, La Liga) club
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I'm not sure it's wise to see him as our future left-back competition. He played a few games at wing-back for Juventus, but he's a left-winger. So unless we really plan on doing a later-years Ashley Young on him, I'd be surprised it we're seeing him as a defender.
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I think this is a great move for a young player. Man City and Chelsea are probably the best examples of doing just this. They buy promising young players and send them all over the place on loan. Some will make it, others get sold. I know we will always associate this with the sale of Doug, but it was more about cash and PSR than the immediate return of the players we got as part of the deal. SIJr is 20. Very young and lots of time to break in. Digne likely goes after this season. Iling Jr can come back from a year away playing full time to compete with Maatsen as wing back.
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I'm not sure it's wise to see him as our future left-back competition. He played a few games at wing-back for Juventus, but he's a left-winger. So unless we really plan on doing a later-years Ashley Young on him, I'd be surprised it we're seeing him as a defender.
I would be more worried about the suggestion of making Ramsey next year's Luiz. We don't have much of a net spend in a year when we'll have record levels of revenue. We shouldn't need to think like that, especially with PSR changing next season.
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Do we loan him back to Serie A then, or another country with a decent top-flight?
He's had some Serie A experience so it would be great to see him get some football in - perhaps - Germany or Spain.
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Off out on loan to Bologna.
They finished 5th in Serie A last season and have qualified for the Champions League.
A good move.
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Off out on loan to Bologna.
They finished 5th in Serie A last season and have qualified for the Champions League.
A good move.
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🔴🔵 Samuel Iling Jr from Aston Villa to Bologna, here we go! #AVFC accept loan proposal with salary covered.
Iling Jr will be back to Serie A on straight loan after joining Villa from Juventus as part of Douglas Luiz deal.
No buy option included, medical on Sunday.
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I assume the no buy option thing is because we're not trying to get rid of him.
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Well i thought we were looking to build a squad. I can see the same thing happening again last season if we pick up injuries again.
Unless someone else comes in of course.
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Very strange...why did he bother joining us at all if only to head back to Italy a few weeks later
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Very strange...why did he bother joining us at all if only to head back to Italy a few weeks later
Yeah i dont get it either. Illing jr woukd get plenty of minutes here. A perfect player to start in the domestic cups
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I’m guessing they have put in a recall option for January, though.
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Very strange...why did he bother joining us at all if only to head back to Italy a few weeks later
Yeah i dont get it either. Illing jr woukd get plenty of minutes here. A perfect player to start in the domestic cups
Who would he play instead of in domestic cups? And how much would he develop playing a handful of games against potentially lower league opposition for us? If he's not ready to push for a starting spot now, a season (or half) playing every week at a high level is the best option for him.
I'd only be questioning this move if it was revealed he threw a strop after 1 game not being in the squad and demanded it.
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I'm not sure why it's a confusing move to people. We are stacked on the left, he's young and still learning so going to a CL club will help with his progress and also increase his value (which isn't high on our books anyway). He either comes back and challenges or will be sold on for a profit. I'd be surprised if he was unaware that this was a possibility, also. It completely makes sense, especially as he can't be immediately loaned out to a premier league club.
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Yeah, plus it’s another wage off the bill and it all adds up if they’re still working on any additions.
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Konsa will cover if Digne and maatsen get injured or Tyrone.
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Bit weird. Hopefully this enables him to kick on and then come back in Jan or the summer as a real first team option.
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Very strange...why did he bother joining us at all if only to head back to Italy a few weeks later
Yeah i dont get it either. Illing jr woukd get plenty of minutes here. A perfect player to start in the domestic cups
Who would he play instead of in domestic cups? And how much would he develop playing a handful of games against potentially lower league opposition for us? If he's not ready to push for a starting spot now, a season (or half) playing every week at a high level is the best option for him.
I'd only be questioning this move if it was revealed he threw a strop after 1 game not being in the squad and demanded it.
But thats on the assumption we dont pick up injuries whichis likley considering the volume of games we will play. We have three players coming back from long term injuries and we know dont know for sure how that pans out. Then add in ramsey as well who seems injury prone. I think its a big risk.
I do hope there is a recall clause should injuries arise or he doesnt get as many minutes at bologna as we would have hoped
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Signing players and sending them on loan is something Chelsea have been doing for years. As much as I hate it, it’s one way to get around these financial rules. He may come back and become a first team player and this loan will improve him or we sell him for profit.
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Signing players and sending them on loan is something Chelsea have been doing for years. As much as I hate it, it’s one way to get around these financial rules. He may come back and become a first team player and this loan will improve him or we sell him for profit.
I hope so ian. I think we could make use of him this year as will be a demanding season but got to trust the club that they know what they are doing
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Another way to look at it is that this guy's still very young and Digne is the wrong side of 30.
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I’m guessing they have put in a recall option for January, though.
Recall options don't seem to be a thing anymore.
It would void the loan fee (and may even incur additional costs on top of that). So clubs as preoccupied and tight to the line with PSR as we are don't chance it.
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Seems a good move for all concerned. I didn't think he'd be much involved this season, I'd be surprised if we any major interest in him before Juve came in for Doug.
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They might not like to exercise a recall option but I bet it's there in case there's an injury crisis.
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Aston Villa can confirm Samuel Iling Jr has joined Bologna on loan.
He joined Villa earlier this summer from Juventus, where he won the Coppa Italia, having started his career in the Chelsea Academy.
The Londoner was part of Unai Emery’s squad in pre-season, taking part in the tour of the United States.
At international level, he has represented England’s junior teams, winning the European Under-19 Championship in 2022.
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Seven signings two gone.
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If he wins a senior cap, do you think he'll drop the last part of his name like JP?
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Was really hoping he’d make an impact on the first team this year. Oh well hope it works out.
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More likely to get game time in Bologna, I can see him being sold in 12 months for a profit to get round PSR.
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More likely to get game time in Bologna, I can see him being sold in 12 months for a profit to get round PSR.
Thats how i think this goes
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Or, as has been said on here already, the plan is that Samuel is the cover for Maatsen next season if Lucas Digne leaves.
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Very strange...why did he bother joining us at all if only to head back to Italy a few weeks later
Yeah i dont get it either. Illing jr woukd get plenty of minutes here. A perfect player to start in the domestic cups
Who would he play instead of in domestic cups? And how much would he develop playing a handful of games against potentially lower league opposition for us? If he's not ready to push for a starting spot now, a season (or half) playing every week at a high level is the best option for him.
I'd only be questioning this move if it was revealed he threw a strop after 1 game not being in the squad and demanded it.
But thats on the assumption we dont pick up injuries whichis likley considering the volume of games we will play. We have three players coming back from long term injuries and we know dont know for sure how that pans out. Then add in ramsey as well who seems injury prone. I think its a big risk.
I do hope there is a recall clause should injuries arise or he doesnt get as many minutes at bologna as we would have hoped
There's a lot of salary tied-up in Mings/Buendia/Ramsey. We can't just be buying more players in the event that these three can't contribute consistently upon return. There isn't the finances for it and it would look silly if they came back and were not breaking-down.
Last August we loaned-in Lenglet, Zaniolo and then acquired Rogers in January to cover the crocked trio above. They're back now or about to come back having had the best rehab an athlete could dream of. We gotta trust that.
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No player hits the road running after an ACL Eamonn. Buendia I don't expect anything from until Nov/ Dec, Mings, new year onwards at the earliest. Kamara I don't think was as bad, so may be ready sooner.
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No player hits the road running after an ACL Eamonn. Buendia I don't expect anything from until Nov/ Dec, Mings, new year onwards at the earliest. Kamara I don't think was as bad, so may be ready sooner.
And yet Buendia has been on the bench 1st two league games?
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Last August we loaned-in Lenglet, Zaniolo and then acquired Rogers in January to cover the crocked trio above. They're back now or about to come back having had the best rehab an athlete could dream of. We gotta trust that.
Although I'd argue we loaned Zaniolo with the expectation that we might end up buying him, so I don't think it's right to say that it was just to deal with Ramsey being out for a few months.
I expect we'll bring in two loans in the next few days (probably a forward and a defender) much like we did last summer. Or Geertruida and a forward on loan.
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Champions League PSR rules have made it a lot harder for us to manoeuvre. We're being punished for our success.
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I was equating Zaniolo as cover for Buendia (I know they're not exactly the same but he did arrive after Emi's injury) and Rogers with Ramsey (who are more similar).
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I was equating Zaniolo as cover for Buendia (I know they're not exactly the same but he did arrive after Emi's injury) and Rogers with Ramsey (who are more similar).
Fair enough (although Zaniolo tended to play off the left, coming inside like Ramsey did, and Rogers plays more centrally and drifts wider more like Buendia), but the point remains that the intention was still for Zaniolo to plausibly sign permanently rather than just coming in as a short-term injury fix.
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Champions League PSR rules have made it a lot harder for us to manoeuvre. We're being punished for our success.
Agreed. The current prem rules obv aren’t fit for purpose (partly why they’re being ditched) but the UEFA ones are too arbitrary. They should better account for teams who are in and out of Europe and should differentiate between the three competitions, given the discrepancy in prize money.
For example, if you weren’t in the competition last year you get 5-10% extra wage cap wiggle room. The UECL should have ~10% extra buffer vs the UCL. None of these seem complicated but would give teams room to breath.
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Yes, and it's all moving-parts all the time based on players form/happiness/versatility but it was wise to have Zaniolo as a loan. We must have been content to hold the option to buy based on how he adapted as well as how our other attacking options looked come May/Jun 2024.
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Did he play for bologna?
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Nope. Was on the bench but didn't come on. Weirdly he's listed as a striker on the thing I was looking at.
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Nope. Was on the bench but didn't come on. Weirdly he's listed as a striker on the thing I was looking at.
Thank you. Just hope this isnt another pointless loan where he gets minimal minutes. Could be he isnt match fot yet
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He is closer to a striker than a left back in my opinion.
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Do Italian teams get to name more substitutes? Looks like Bologna had 13 on their bench?
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He is closer to a striker than a left back in my opinion.
He's also listed as a forward for England U21s.
All the "well, he'll come back and be cover for Maatsen when we sell Digne" takes are bizarre. He's a wide forward.
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He is closer to a striker than a left back in my opinion.
He's also listed as a forward for England U21s.
All the "well, he'll come back and be cover for Maatsen when we sell Digne" takes are bizarre. He's a wide forward.
He seems to have flitted between left of midfield and left wing. Two years ago it was more of the former, last season it was more of the latter. So sort of a mix of Jacob Ramsey and a left sided Leon Bailey. And about as likely to play at left back as either of them.
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He is closer to a striker than a left back in my opinion.
He's also listed as a forward for England U21s.
All the "well, he'll come back and be cover for Maatsen when we sell Digne" takes are bizarre. He's a wide forward.
He seems to have flitted between left of midfield and left wing. Two years ago it was more of the former, last season it was more of the latter. So sort of a mix of Jacob Ramsey and a left sided Leon Bailey. And about as likely to play at left back as either of them.
Exactly. I'm pretty sure we had a couple of half-hour spells in the second half of last season when we were chasing games where Bailey filled in at right wing-back while Konsa moved back into the middle when Cash was out.
It doesn't mean that suddenly Bailey is now our auxiliary right-back.
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He is closer to a striker than a left back in my opinion.
He's also listed as a forward for England U21s.
All the "well, he'll come back and be cover for Maatsen when we sell Digne" takes are bizarre. He's a wide forward.
Yeah, I've found that strange as well. Emery likes to have 1 'real' (as in someone who holds their width off the ball) wide player and has used Bailey for that mostly but with Philogene coming back and Iling-Junior joining he's clearly adding more options for it, then McGinn, JJ, Rogers and Buendia are all good for his other wing where he likes to give them a bit more freedom to drift and find gaps (and the fullback offers the width instead).
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Scored a really good equaliser for bologna yesterday
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Scored a really good equaliser for bologna yesterday
Thanks
Thats great to hear. I really hope he gets a chance next season
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Scored a really good equaliser for bologna yesterday
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Did he start?
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Scored a really good equaliser for bologna yesterday
Brilliant finish
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Injury time too ftw (well, for the draw...).
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was he playing on the right for them
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Looked like it but cutting-in on his left which I guess is de rigeur these days.
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Think it was where he played for the u21s as well
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Former Wolves star (sic) Patrick Cutrone starring at the other end for Como as well.
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He was on the left at an earlier point in the highlights package.
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Former Wolves star (sic) Patrick Cutrone starring at the other end for Como as well.
I knew the name was familiar but I couldn't work out why.
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If he plays on the right would ahve been a handy option now baileys injured
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Only got 11 minutes yesterday. Would have been good if he started to see how he would have done
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Interview with him on Sky Sports. Sounds comfortable with the loan and his future prospects at Villa.
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Interview with him on Sky Sports. Sounds comfortable with the loan and his future prospects at Villa.
Yeah that was a good read. Sounds like he is not just going to be loaned then sold next summer.
I found it interesting that he is close mates with bellingham and rogers too
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Interview with him on Sky Sports. Sounds comfortable with the loan and his future prospects at Villa.
Yeah that was a good read. Sounds like he is not just going to be loaned then sold next summer.
Don't think that was ever likely, was it?
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This may have been answered before but can he play tomorrow?
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This may have been answered before but can he play tomorrow?
He can, assuming he's fit.
Due to no rule currently being in place from UEFA, Iling-Junior is free to face his parent club when the two sides meet in the Champions League on Tuesday night.
Philippe Coutinho, who is still on the books at Villa, famously netted a quick-fire double for Bayern Munich against Barcelona after being allowed to leave on loan by the Spanish giants in 2020.
His celebrations on the evening were muted and Iling-Junior has promised to do the same if he does score on Tuesday, although he is primarily viewing it as an opportunity to showcase his talents to the fans.
"Definitely not," he said regarding a potential celebration with a wry smile. "Maybe a little bit but I won't overdo it!
"It will be a good opportunity to show the fans what I can do and hopefully I get a warm welcome."
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Interview with him on Sky Sports. Sounds comfortable with the loan and his future prospects at Villa.
Yeah that was a good read. Sounds like he is not just going to be loaned then sold next summer.
Don't think that was ever likely, was it?
Not sure we have sold fringe players in the past e.g timmy kellyman etc before
Guess pends how he develops on his loan. Just hope he has a stinker tomorrow!
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Interview with him on Sky Sports. Sounds comfortable with the loan and his future prospects at Villa.
Yeah that was a good read. Sounds like he is not just going to be loaned then sold next summer.
Don't think that was ever likely, was it?
Not sure we have sold fringe players in the past e.g timmy kellyman etc before
Guess pends how he develops on his loan. Just hope he has a stinker tomorrow!
Tim was sold because he's not good enough and Kellyman had to be sold for FFP so as long as we're in a better financial position and he looks good enough to improve the team he'll stick around. He'll be extra motivated tomorrow you'd imagine and in front of Emery
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Does seem a bit ridiculous that Sam can play against us.
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Looked quite lively when he came on.
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Looked quite lively when he came on.
Great run and cross, our players were very happy to see him at the end was well which was nice to see
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Really good article in The Athletic, which hopefully I’ve used Archiver correctly with: https://archive.ph/T03us
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Looked quite lively when he came on.
Agreed. In fact, Bologna might have introduced him earlier to thwart Maatsen on their right.
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According to sky italia we will be recalling him due to lack of game time at bologna
Personally i would keep him around we could do with another option. He offers something different to what we currently have. But i bet we re loan him out again
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I'd rather sign Williams. Recall him and loan him out to someone who will play him.
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According to sky italia we will be recalling him due to lack of game time at bologna
Personally i would keep him around we could do with another option. He offers something different to what we currently have. But i bet we re loan him out again
From The Athletic:
Aston Villa are considering recalling Samuel Iling-Junior from his season-long loan at Bologna.
Villa are expected to make a decision next week amid a concern over the 21-year-old’s lack of minutes during his loan spell.
Iling-Junior joined Bologna in the summer but has made just 12 appearances in all competitions and is yet to start a Serie A match.
Aston Villa are considering recalling Samuel Iling-Junior from his season-long loan at Bologna.
Villa are expected to make a decision next week amid a concern over the 21-year-old’s lack of minutes during his loan spell.
Iling-Junior joined Bologna in the summer but has made just 12 appearances in all competitions and is yet to start a Serie A match.
He has started just three matches in all competitions for Bologna and has been restricted to five substitute appearances in Serie A.
Barrenechea, signed in the same deal, has had a more productive spell on loan at Valencia this season to aid his development, with nine of his 12 La Liga appearances coming as a starter, and Villa are hoping for similar for Iling-Junior.
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Thanks SV
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Thanks, Samuel. Grazie Rossoblù! That could be a massive goal for us, you never know...
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He's very suited to Italy but I do think he be a nice addition next season.
Alas I guess he'll be sold for PSR purposes won't be?
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From The Athletic
SAMUEL ILING-JUNIOR IS SET TO JOIN MIDDLESBROUGH AFTER BEING RECALLED FROM HIS SEASON-LONG LOAN AT BOLOGNA
Aston Villa have made the decision to end his spell in Serie A due to concerns over a lack of game-time.
The English winger will now move to the Championship club for the remainder of the season.
Iling-Junior joined Bologna in the summer but made just 16 appearances in all competitions and did not start a Serie A match.
The Athletic reported in November that Villa would be making a judgement on all their players out on loan, with the club already recalling forward Louie Barry from his loan spell at Stockport County to send him to Hull City.
Villa signed Iling-Junior from Juventus in July alongside Enzo Barrenechea for a combined fee of €22million, with both players agreeing five-year deals. In a separate deal between the clubs, Juventus signed midfielder Douglas Luiz from Villa for €50m.
Iling-Junior joined Juventus from Chelsea’s academy in 2020 and made 45 first-team appearances after making his debut in 2022. Last season, the winger played 27 times for Juventus, scoring once, and also featured regularly for the England Under-21s.
Villa have had a busy January adding Donyell Malen from Borussia Dortmund while they are close to agreeing a deal to sign Marcus Rashford on loan from Manchester United.
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Who? Where?
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He was on the bench for Bologna today, so he's still there.
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Thats a bit of a drop from Juventus and Bologna in the CL to Boro.
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He should start games for Boro rather than making cameo appearances from the bench.
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He should start games for Boro rather than making cameo appearances from the bench.
Let’s hope so
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Just been watching a bit of Middlesbrough v Sunderland. He was playing on the rightband looking lively.
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Just been watching a bit of Middlesbrough v Sunderland. He was playing on the rightband looking lively.
Came on as a sub for Finn Azaz. Bit of extra Villa link there
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You wonder about the quality of Serie A when Juventus are signing Lloyd Kelly from Newcastle.
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Just been watching a bit of Middlesbrough v Sunderland. He was playing on the rightband looking lively.
Did he sing or was he on the drums?
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Hopefully they can get a tune out of him.
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Such a commotion. Oh no that’s Cole.
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You wonder about the quality of Serie A when Juventus are signing Lloyd Kelly from Newcastle.
That was a very odd signing. I wouldn't be surprised if SIJ or the dude at Valencia never kicked a ball for us. Odd business all round.
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He was on the bench for Bologna on Saturday. Can't have had a lot of time with his new squad if he's played tonight. Good for him though. I guess it means they really wanted him.