Villa Almost Robbed.
Come on Villa, Let's piss off the Sky 6Spurs aren’t playing next weekend, so we’ll be pissing them off for a couple of weeks at least!
Great win.Once again you have officials making decisions and they do there up most to keep there mates happy, it's about time Uria Emery started to complain, you don't get anything for being nice in this game
But bloody hell, if VAR can’t get 2 absolutely critical calls right, what the fuck is the point of it.
Deserved if tense win. Torres was superb.
Thought Lenglet had a good game as well. Pau was superb. SJM great in midfield
Fulham manager seems a moaning twat.
Great result in the circumstances. Spurs and Newcastle dropping points, a great Saturday!Yea to spuds but Newcastle??
Blame Emi. He would have called for that crossThought Lenglet had a good game as well. Pau was superb. SJM great in midfield
Apart from the obvious error for their goal. A very cultured pairing but not suitable for more industrial football I fear.
Our match not even mentioned in the Sky round up just then. Only the "Big six"..We are 4th.
Our match not even mentioned in the Sky round up just then. Only the "Big six"..We are 4th.
Come on Villa, Let's piss off the Sky 6I’m happy just pissing off the cockneys. We’ve won all nine league games against London teams this season now and got 34pts out of 36 in games against teams from south of the Bull Ring.
There’s not a centre half in the league I’d swap for Torres
Great to get three points, top finishing from Ollie but really it was only squeeky bum time due to inept officials.
Just seen the betting to win the league, Spurs 100/1 Villa 150/1.
I'll be glad when they stop doing this business of drawing crap lines on the screen. It's so bad they don't even show them to people watching at home anymore. Not fit for purpose.
Fulham are a wank stain of a football club.
they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics
There’s not a centre half in the league I’d swap for Torresnot even MaGuire?!
Do you say he's on or off?they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics
Nah they didn't. It looked that because the red line was on Baileys foot, but there is a dotted line they added to Moreno which blended in with his shirt on the still.
they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics
Nah they didn't. It looked that because the red line was on Baileys foot, but there is a dotted line they added to Moreno which blended in with his shirt on the still.
Good of Sky soccer Saturday to choose not to review our game afterwards and instead concentrate on mid table games at Forest and Newcastle instead.No HYS on the BBC match report.
they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics
Nah they didn't. It looked that because the red line was on Baileys foot, but there is a dotted line they added to Moreno which blended in with his shirt on the still.
So do you think he was on or off?
they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics
Nah they didn't. It looked that because the red line was on Baileys foot, but there is a dotted line they added to Moreno which blended in with his shirt on the still.
Good of Sky soccer Saturday to choose not to review our game afterwards and instead concentrate on mid table games at Forest and Newcastle instead.
they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics
Nah they didn't. It looked that because the red line was on Baileys foot, but there is a dotted line they added to Moreno which blended in with his shirt on the still.
So do you think he was on or off?
My personal opinion, it was a very close call and the lines could have given it or not depending on where they were drawn, however if we didn't have VAR, it was still a disallowed goal as that was the on-pitch decision. But not sure on the pile on when I was just correcting Tims mistaken belief (which I also though during the match) that it was Bailey who was judged when it wasn't.
If you ignore Bailey, the defender is keeping Moreno onside?
He was onIf you ignore Bailey, the defender is keeping Moreno onside?
Is he? Look at the first picture and remember we are not direct on from the side of the pitch. So whilst Moreno is level on the picture, to be on he needs to be further to the right then the defender.
A good example of misleading angles for the view is to look at the far defender who also looks close to being level with them, but the line shows him half a foot further forward then the defender on the centre.
they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics
Nah they didn't. It looked that because the red line was on Baileys foot, but there is a dotted line they added to Moreno which blended in with his shirt on the still.
So do you think he was on or off?
My personal opinion, it was a very close call and the lines could have given it or not depending on where they were drawn, however if we didn't have VAR, it was still a disallowed goal as that was the on-pitch decision. But not sure on the pile on when I was just correcting Tims mistaken belief (which I also though during the match) that it was Bailey who was judged when it wasn't.
Not piling-on, I only saw the last half hour so was interested if it was an obvious error or not.
they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics
Nah they didn't. It looked that because the red line was on Baileys foot, but there is a dotted line they added to Moreno which blended in with his shirt on the still.
This shows otherwise
(https://i.ibb.co/dDHLg9C/IMG-1947.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dDHLg9C)
He was onIf you ignore Bailey, the defender is keeping Moreno onside?
Is he? Look at the first picture and remember we are not direct on from the side of the pitch. So whilst Moreno is level on the picture, to be on he needs to be further to the right then the defender.
A good example of misleading angles for the view is to look at the far defender who also looks close to being level with them, but the line shows him half a foot further forward then the defender on the centre.
Look at the feet of Moreno and the defender compared to the 6 yard line, which is a perfect reference point
This is why VAR is not ready yet for ruling games. It’s still too subjective because we’re relying on opinions. It’s too fine a margin when we’re talking about timings, angles and placement of the camera.
I’m not sure what the answer is though.
He was onIf you ignore Bailey, the defender is keeping Moreno onside?
Is he? Look at the first picture and remember we are not direct on from the side of the pitch. So whilst Moreno is level on the picture, to be on he needs to be further to the right then the defender.
A good example of misleading angles for the view is to look at the far defender who also looks close to being level with them, but the line shows him half a foot further forward then the defender on the centre.
This is why VAR is not ready yet for ruling games. It’s still too subjective because we’re relying on opinions. It’s too fine a margin when we’re talking about timings, angles and placement of the camera.
I’m not sure what the answer is though.
Fulham are a wank stain of a football club.
like i said they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre anticsthey drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics
Nah they didn't. It looked that because the red line was on Baileys foot, but there is a dotted line they added to Moreno which blended in with his shirt on the still.
This shows otherwise
(https://i.ibb.co/dDHLg9C/IMG-1947.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dDHLg9C)
That line seems to be on Morenos arse so what’s the issue?the red line is on Baileys foot
I thought the ref was dreadful, but they all are. The offside was close, I'd say he was level & therefore onside, but I never seen VAR give a decision saying they are level. I didn't think it was a penalty on Watkins.
We were by far the better side & should have been well clear by the time they scored.
I thought the ref was dreadful, but they all are. The offside was close, I'd say he was level & therefore onside, but I never seen VAR give a decision saying they are level. I didn't think it was a penalty on Watkins.
We were by far the better side & should have been well clear by the time they scored.
That line seems to be on Morenos arse so what’s the issue?the red line is on Baileys foot
are they saying Bailey was active so was off ?
He was onIf you ignore Bailey, the defender is keeping Moreno onside?
Is he? Look at the first picture and remember we are not direct on from the side of the pitch. So whilst Moreno is level on the picture, to be on he needs to be further to the right then the defender.
A good example of misleading angles for the view is to look at the far defender who also looks close to being level with them, but the line shows him half a foot further forward then the defender on the centre.
This is why VAR is not ready yet for ruling games. It’s still too subjective because we’re relying on opinions. It’s too fine a margin when we’re talking about timings, angles and placement of the camera.
I’m not sure what the answer is though.
A tolerance is the only answer when you have no technology to prove that the picture being used is the correct one as the ball being passed is a subjective decision not factual
No.That line seems to be on Morenos arse so what’s the issue?the red line is on Baileys footare they saying Bailey was active so was off ?
Stop talking about Bailey, he is absolutely nothing to do with the decision. Just take a few seconds to look at the image and there's clearly a dotted line next to Moreno.
That line seems to be on Morenos arse so what’s the issue?the red line is on Baileys foot
blow it up and look at the red line and the 6 yard box line , they don't run parallelThat line seems to be on Morenos arse so what’s the issue?the red line is on Baileys foot
The red line on the pitch is coincidently on Baileys foot, but is drawn down from Moreno's shoulder, hence the dotted red lines down right next to him.
No.That line seems to be on Morenos arse so what’s the issue?the red line is on Baileys footare they saying Bailey was active so was off ?
Stop talking about Bailey, he is absolutely nothing to do with the decision. Just take a few seconds to look at the image and there's clearly a dotted line next to Moreno.
The line isn't even straight / parallel with the 6 yard line. Baileys foot is the most offside element of any player
No, the line isn't drawn properly . Stop shoutingNo.That line seems to be on Morenos arse so what’s the issue?the red line is on Baileys footare they saying Bailey was active so was off ?
Stop talking about Bailey, he is absolutely nothing to do with the decision. Just take a few seconds to look at the image and there's clearly a dotted line next to Moreno.
The line isn't even straight / parallel with the 6 yard line. Baileys foot is the most offside element of any player
IT'S A FUCKING COINCIDENCE, STOP TALKING BOLLOCKS.
No, the line isn't drawn properly . Stop shouting
Got to be honest I can’t find myself getting too worked up about VAR when we’ve won. If we hadn’t won yes it would be annoying, but it’s a footnote to me.
Can you see the dotted line right next to the 1 on Moreno?
How can we be sure of the millisecond of the pass .We don't see dotted lines or such nonsense for that.Can you see the dotted line right next to the 1 on Moreno?
I have now. If the dotted line is accurate, it looks like by the letter of the law, it is offside. I don't know why they don't just go by where player's feet are though, the game is called football.
Fulham are a wank stain of a football club.
Are they really? They're one of those clubs who I always forget are there. If you asked me to name 50 league clubs I'd probably mention Oldham and Wimbledon before even thinking of Fulham.
Got to be honest I can’t find myself getting too worked up about VAR when we’ve won. If we hadn’t won yes it would be annoying, but it’s a footnote to me.
Both the disallowed goal and the penalty would have made the game a lot more comfortable for us, so I'm still furious as that finl ten minutes aged me 10 years, and I now look old enough to be RCF's grandfather.
blow it up and look at the red line and the 6 yard box line , they don't run parallelThat line seems to be on Morenos arse so what’s the issue?the red line is on Baileys foot
The red line on the pitch is coincidently on Baileys foot, but is drawn down from Moreno's shoulder, hence the dotted red lines down right next to him.
Good win for Villa I thought the biggest difference was Ollie Watkins, plus your a team going for possible Champions League and a European trophy, were we are trying to get a top half finish for the second season running, I agree what you’ve saving about the referee, if you’re criticising when you’ve won he must been bad!! I don’t think we played that bad, with a bit more luck we might have sneaked a draw but we came up against a good Villa side, now go on and get in the champions league , we’ll try and help you at Man Utd next week and get some revenge for our last season’s quarter final
Good win for Villa I thought the biggest difference was Ollie Watkins, plus your a team going for possible Champions League and a European trophy, were we are trying to get a top half finish for the second season running, I agree what you’ve saving about the referee, if you’re criticising when you’ve won he must been bad!! I don’t think we played that bad, with a bit more luck we might have sneaked a draw but we came up against a good Villa side, now go on and get in the champions league , we’ll try and help you at Man Utd next week and get some revenge for our last season’s quarter finalVery magnanimous. All the best for the rest of the season.
are they saying Bailey was active so was off ?
Good win for Villa I thought the biggest difference was Ollie Watkins, plus your a team going for possible Champions League and a European trophy, were we are trying to get a top half finish for the second season running, I agree what you’ve saving about the referee, if you’re criticising when you’ve won he must been bad!! I don’t think we played that bad, with a bit more luck we might have sneaked a draw but we came up against a good Villa side, now go on and get in the champions league , we’ll try and help you at Man Utd next week and get some revenge for our last season’s quarter final
No you're dumb . Very . Baileys foot is the offside part but is he interfering.No, the line isn't drawn properly . Stop shouting
SO you're saying it's got nothing to do with Baliey then, as you've bene told repeatedly? Thank fuck for that, you're exhaustingly dumb.
Good win for Villa I thought the biggest difference was Ollie Watkins, plus your a team going for possible Champions League and a European trophy, were we are trying to get a top half finish for the second season running, I agree what you’ve saving about the referee, if you’re criticising when you’ve won he must been bad!! I don’t think we played that bad, with a bit more luck we might have sneaked a draw but we came up against a good Villa side, now go on and get in the champions league , we’ll try and help you at Man Utd next week and get some revenge for our last season’s quarter final
SO you're saying it's got nothing to do with Baliey then, as you've bene told repeatedly? Thank fuck for that, you're exhaustingly dumb.
No you're dumb . Very . Baileys foot is the offside part but is he interfering.
Good win for Villa I thought the biggest difference was Ollie Watkins, plus your a team going for possible Champions League and a European trophy, were we are trying to get a top half finish for the second season running, I agree what you’ve saving about the referee, if you’re criticising when you’ve won he must been bad!! I don’t think we played that bad, with a bit more luck we might have sneaked a draw but we came up against a good Villa side, now go on and get in the champions league , we’ll try and help you at Man Utd next week and get some revenge for our last season’s quarter finalCheers Franky, the ref was awful and seemed to annoy your fans inthe last 20 minutes.
Good win for Villa I thought the biggest difference was Ollie Watkins, plus your a team going for possible Champions League and a European trophy, were we are trying to get a top half finish for the second season running, I agree what you’ve saving about the referee, if you’re criticising when you’ve won he must been bad!! I don’t think we played that bad, with a bit more luck we might have sneaked a draw but we came up against a good Villa side, now go on and get in the champions league , we’ll try and help you at Man Utd next week and get some revenge for our last season’s quarter final
Just pleased to get the 3 points with such a "botched" line-up.me too 🤪
No you're dumb . Very . Baileys foot is the offside part but is he interfering.No, the line isn't drawn properly . Stop shouting
SO you're saying it's got nothing to do with Baliey then, as you've bene told repeatedly? Thank fuck for that, you're exhaustingly dumb.
I think it's far from clear , it took them 3 minutes.No you're dumb . Very . Baileys foot is the offside part but is he interfering.No, the line isn't drawn properly . Stop shouting
SO you're saying it's got nothing to do with Baliey then, as you've bene told repeatedly? Thank fuck for that, you're exhaustingly dumb.
Clean your glasses Tim, you’re wrong.
No you're dumb . Very . Baileys foot is the offside part but is he interfering.No, the line isn't drawn properly . Stop shouting
SO you're saying it's got nothing to do with Baliey then, as you've bene told repeatedly? Thank fuck for that, you're exhaustingly dumb.
Clean your glasses Tim, you’re wrong.
Just pleased to get the 3 points with such a "botched" line-up.
me too 🤪
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Baileys foot is more advanced than Moreno . So are they saying Bailey is interfering therefore off
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Yeah. I’ve seen it. That’s why I understand it. You’ve posted it, and yet still don’t apparently.
No.Baileys foot is more advanced than Moreno . So are they saying Bailey is interfering therefore off
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Yeah. I’ve seen it. That’s why I understand it. You’ve posted it, and yet still don’t apparently.
It was definitely Moreno they were looking at. It came up on the scoreboard as "Goal Disallowed. Offside Alex Moreno. "No.Baileys foot is more advanced than Moreno . So are they saying Bailey is interfering therefore off
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Yeah. I’ve seen it. That’s why I understand it. You’ve posted it, and yet still don’t apparently.
yes i get that but the pics don't back that up, it looks like another huge VAR errorIt was definitely Moreno they were looking at. It came up on the scoreboard as "Goal Disallowed. Offside Alex Moreno. "No.Baileys foot is more advanced than Moreno . So are they saying Bailey is interfering therefore off
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Yeah. I’ve seen it. That’s why I understand it. You’ve posted it, and yet still don’t apparently.
Guys, he is fishing for responses. He does it most weeks. Ignore.
Good win for Villa I thought the biggest difference was Ollie Watkins, plus your a team going for possible Champions League and a European trophy, were we are trying to get a top half finish for the second season running, I agree what you’ve saving about the referee, if you’re criticising when you’ve won he must been bad!! I don’t think we played that bad, with a bit more luck we might have sneaked a draw but we came up against a good Villa side, now go on and get in the champions league , we’ll try and help you at Man Utd next week and get some revenge for our last season’s quarter final
Cheers LF, all the best for the rest of the season. 👍
Imagine if we lost today...
Wow, some people need to drink less alcohol. Extreme anger issues .
He didn't say it was onside. What he said was, "the naked eye says that's onside to me", and then proceeded to ask if it was Moreno's backside when he saw the VAR view.
Baileys foot is more advanced than Moreno . So are they saying Bailey is interfering therefore off
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Yeah. I’ve seen it. That’s why I understand it. You’ve posted it, and yet still don’t apparently.
He didn't say it was onside. What he said was, "the naked eye says that's onside to me", and then proceeded to ask if it was Moreno's backside when he saw the VAR view.
Don't forget he also mentioned Bailey was offside, but it wasn't called against him as he wasn't interfering with play. And that is Jonathan Pearce who is a poor commentator but even he knew the lines on Bailey meant nothing.
they drew a line off Baileys foot which was bizarre antics
Nah they didn't. It looked that because the red line was on Baileys foot, but there is a dotted line they added to Moreno which blended in with his shirt on the still.
This shows otherwise
(https://i.ibb.co/dDHLg9C/IMG-1947.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dDHLg9C)
Good win for Villa I thought the biggest difference was Ollie Watkins, plus your a team going for possible Champions League and a European trophy, were we are trying to get a top half finish for the second season running, I agree what you’ve saving about the referee, if you’re criticising when you’ve won he must been bad!! I don’t think we played that bad, with a bit more luck we might have sneaked a draw but we came up against a good Villa side, now go on and get in the champions league , we’ll try and help you at Man Utd next week and get some revenge for our last season’s quarter final
Cheers LF, all the best for the rest of the season. 👍
The man's a polite legend.
There can be disagrement about the offside decision but the tackle on Watkins was definately a penalty, how VAR can look at it and say otherwise needs to be looked into. Score from that and we would have cruised home. The commentator opinioned that as it was the young refs first game VAR didn't want to go against him.
I've seen them given for less than that but equally I've seen them not with the dismissal Zouma "muscles" him off the ball. Still sounds like a penalty but it's one where the likes of Dermot Gallagher hide behind word soup.
The only mitigation I saw was that Diop got to the ball and toed it back to the keeper. However, he stretched across and impeded Watkins as he did it.I've seen them given for less than that but equally I've seen them not with the dismissal Zouma "muscles" him off the ball. Still sounds like a penalty but it's one where the likes of Dermot Gallagher hide behind word soup.Diop not Zouma and watch it again, the real offence is his leg across Ollie's thigh which is just a blatant penalty. I can't see anything to let the officials off with, it was a terrible decision.
Great to get three points, top finishing from Ollie but really it was only squeeky bum time due to inept officials.
Just seen the betting to win the league, Spurs 100/1 Villa 150/1.
Can you see the dotted line right next to the 1 on Moreno?
I have now. If the dotted line is accurate, it looks like by the letter of the law, it is offside. I don't know why they don't just go by where player's feet are though, the game is called football.
Spurs have loads of London derbies,
Spurs have loads of London derbies,
Wouldn't be a problem for us. https://twitter.com/Squawka/status/1758901622158377364
That's what drives me up the wall with var. It's just so nonsensical. It needs to be cleared up once and for all. The lines they use are just dumb and completely subjective. Arms should definitely not be used as you can't score a goal with your arm. They made themselves look utterly stupid yesterday and should be called out for it. And as others have said it's so dumb to draw lines when it's impossible to be able to pinpoint the moment when the ball is released by the passing players. The frames they use are something like 100th of a second. Go forward one frame and the player looks offside go back one frame and he's onside. Who makes the call for which frame to use? It's nonsensical bullshit and I can't believe that the Premier league which is a multi billion pound industry allow it to continue to blight the game.Can you see the dotted line right next to the 1 on Moreno?
I have now. If the dotted line is accurate, it looks like by the letter of the law, it is offside. I don't know why they don't just go by where player's feet are though, the game is called football.
You can’t score with your elbow last time I looked
This is why VAR is not ready yet for ruling games. It’s still too subjective because we’re relying on opinions. It’s too fine a margin when we’re talking about timings, angles and placement of the camera.Oh there is an easy answer. Current human body and the way it moves is not ready for VAR. Evolution will fix it. In year 2525 players will have no arms and no body gesticulation whilst moving, they will simply glide back and forth in an upright stance.
I’m not sure what the answer is though.
That's what drives me up the wall with var. It's just so nonsensical. It needs to be cleared up once and for all. The lines they use are just dumb and completely subjective. Arms should definitely not be used as you can't score a goal with your arm. They made themselves look utterly stupid yesterday and should be called out for it. And as others have said it's so dumb to draw lines when it's impossible to be able to pinpoint the moment when the ball is released by the passing players. The frames they use are something like 100th of a second. Go forward one frame and the player looks offside go back one frame and he's onside. Who makes the call for which frame to use? It's nonsensical bullshit and I can't believe that the Premier league which is a multi billion pound industry allow it to continue to blight the game.Can you see the dotted line right next to the 1 on Moreno?
I have now. If the dotted line is accurate, it looks like by the letter of the law, it is offside. I don't know why they don't just go by where player's feet are though, the game is called football.
You can’t score with your elbow last time I looked
I don't remember that line being in the song.
I've seen them given for less than that but equally I've seen them not with the dismissal Zouma "muscles" him off the ball. Still sounds like a penalty but it's one where the likes of Dermot Gallagher hide behind word soup.
Diop not Zouma and watch it again, the real offence is his leg across Ollie's thigh which is just a blatant penalty. I can't see anything to let the officials off with, it was a terrible decision.
I don't remember that line being in the song.Ha! Ha!
Lenglet and Pau did work as a pair. Defence was good , didnt let them many chances. Second goal wonderful. We are at our best when we can stick passes through midfield to the attackers in a fluid movement. And Unai - what a man for us.
Lenglet and Pau did work as a pair. Defence was good , didnt let them many chances. Second goal wonderful. We are at our best when we can stick passes through midfield to the attackers in a fluid movement. And Unai - what a man for us.
Big mistake from Lenglet for their goal unfortunately. Playing out of position so lost his bearings a bit I'd say but he simply has to block off the forward getting anywhere near Martinez or the ball. Martinez would usually be a bit more decisive and Cash should be blocking the cross in the first place. Thought Torres was at fault for that Traore chance at end watching it end, got caught behind his defensive line and played Traore on. Brilliant from Martinez.
I guess if you were told pre game Fulham would only score one goal you would have fancied us to win. We create plenty of chances to score nearly every game.
Was Nas in attendance and did the camera pan to him at all? It's his local, innit.And Purslow's who normally goes to these sort of games and gets down and dirty with the away faces. (though i didn't see him anywhere on X) probably away skiing in Val D'Isere / Tignes
Lenglet and Pau did work as a pair. Defence was good , didnt let them many chances. Second goal wonderful. We are at our best when we can stick passes through midfield to the attackers in a fluid movement. And Unai - what a man for us.
Big mistake from Lenglet for their goal unfortunately. Playing out of position so lost his bearings a bit I'd say but he simply has to block off the forward getting anywhere near Martinez or the ball. Martinez would usually be a bit more decisive and Cash should be blocking the cross in the first place. Thought Torres was at fault for that Traore chance at end watching it end, got caught behind his defensive line and played Traore on. Brilliant from Martinez.
I guess if you were told pre game Fulham would only score one goal you would have fancied us to win. We create plenty of chances to score nearly every game.
Lenglet and Pau did work as a pair. Defence was good , didnt let them many chances. Second goal wonderful. We are at our best when we can stick passes through midfield to the attackers in a fluid movement. And Unai - what a man for us.
Big mistake from Lenglet for their goal unfortunately. Playing out of position so lost his bearings a bit I'd say but he simply has to block off the forward getting anywhere near Martinez or the ball. Martinez would usually be a bit more decisive and Cash should be blocking the cross in the first place. Thought Torres was at fault for that Traore chance at end watching it end, got caught behind his defensive line and played Traore on. Brilliant from Martinez.
I guess if you were told pre game Fulham would only score one goal you would have fancied us to win. We create plenty of chances to score nearly every game.
Lenglet was in a position to clear the ball, so must have got a call from Martinez to leave it. Think Emi probably just misjudged it and didn't get there in time.
My username has nothing to do with him but I get why you would think that. Back on subject. How come the lino was so quick to raise his flag for an extremely tight call yet on other occasions he didn't flag when there were clear and obvious ones that he allowed play to carry on and let var decide?That's what drives me up the wall with var. It's just so nonsensical. It needs to be cleared up once and for all. The lines they use are just dumb and completely subjective. Arms should definitely not be used as you can't score a goal with your arm. They made themselves look utterly stupid yesterday and should be called out for it. And as others have said it's so dumb to draw lines when it's impossible to be able to pinpoint the moment when the ball is released by the passing players. The frames they use are something like 100th of a second. Go forward one frame and the player looks offside go back one frame and he's onside. Who makes the call for which frame to use? It's nonsensical bullshit and I can't believe that the Premier league which is a multi billion pound industry allow it to continue to blight the game.Can you see the dotted line right next to the 1 on Moreno?
I have now. If the dotted line is accurate, it looks like by the letter of the law, it is offside. I don't know why they don't just go by where player's feet are though, the game is called football.
You can’t score with your elbow last time I looked
I agree with the guitarist for the Irish band.
Martinez said he shouldn't have come for it , i think he's taking the heat/pressure off Lenglet there which is class.Lenglet and Pau did work as a pair. Defence was good , didnt let them many chances. Second goal wonderful. We are at our best when we can stick passes through midfield to the attackers in a fluid movement. And Unai - what a man for us.
Big mistake from Lenglet for their goal unfortunately. Playing out of position so lost his bearings a bit I'd say but he simply has to block off the forward getting anywhere near Martinez or the ball. Martinez would usually be a bit more decisive and Cash should be blocking the cross in the first place. Thought Torres was at fault for that Traore chance at end watching it end, got caught behind his defensive line and played Traore on. Brilliant from Martinez.
I guess if you were told pre game Fulham would only score one goal you would have fancied us to win. We create plenty of chances to score nearly every game.
Lenglet was in a position to clear the ball, so must have got a call from Martinez to leave it. Think Emi probably just misjudged it and didn't get there in time.
I reckon if Martinez had stayed on his line they wouldn’t have scored that goal. Either Lenglet clears or EMI stops the resulting shot. Gave us an unnecessarily panicky last 25 minutes, though we ran the clock down very well for most of the last few minutes
All in all we played well and deserved the win. The first time I’ve ever seen us win at Craven cottage too.
Was Nas in attendance and did the camera pan to him at all? It's his local, innit.And Purslow's who normally goes to these sort of games and gets down and dirty with the away faces. (though i didn't see him anywhere on X) probably away skiing in Val D'Isere / Tignes
The only player that disappointed me yesterday was Diaby. What has happened with this man?Agree on this. Looks a poor signing, how much was he £50m , jesus.
Just seems devoid of any confidence. Let’s hope he can pick up his game again as there is definitely a player in there.
Lenglet and Pau did work as a pair. Defence was good , didnt let them many chances. Second goal wonderful. We are at our best when we can stick passes through midfield to the attackers in a fluid movement. And Unai - what a man for us.
Big mistake from Lenglet for their goal unfortunately. Playing out of position so lost his bearings a bit I'd say but he simply has to block off the forward getting anywhere near Martinez or the ball. Martinez would usually be a bit more decisive and Cash should be blocking the cross in the first place. Thought Torres was at fault for that Traore chance at end watching it end, got caught behind his defensive line and played Traore on. Brilliant from Martinez.
I guess if you were told pre game Fulham would only score one goal you would have fancied us to win. We create plenty of chances to score nearly every game.
Lenglet was in a position to clear the ball, so must have got a call from Martinez to leave it. Think Emi probably just misjudged it and didn't get there in time.
The only player that disappointed me yesterday was Diaby. What has happened with this man?
Just seems devoid of any confidence. Let’s hope he can pick up his game again as there is definitely a player in there.
I wonder how fit he is ? I saw one one on race where he lost easily against the defenderHe also can’t defend or tackle back.
Lenglet and Pau did work as a pair. Defence was good , didnt let them many chances. Second goal wonderful. We are at our best when we can stick passes through midfield to the attackers in a fluid movement. And Unai - what a man for us.
Big mistake from Lenglet for their goal unfortunately. Playing out of position so lost his bearings a bit I'd say but he simply has to block off the forward getting anywhere near Martinez or the ball. Martinez would usually be a bit more decisive and Cash should be blocking the cross in the first place. Thought Torres was at fault for that Traore chance at end watching it end, got caught behind his defensive line and played Traore on. Brilliant from Martinez.
I guess if you were told pre game Fulham would only score one goal you would have fancied us to win. We create plenty of chances to score nearly every game.
Lenglet was in a position to clear the ball, so must have got a call from Martinez to leave it. Think Emi probably just misjudged it and didn't get there in time.
For me he has to block off the forward regardless of what Martinez was at.
Just watched the app highlights after having seen MOTD last night (had been on Extreme Score Avoidance up to then). The latter didn't show either of the first two offside goals (one each).Ollie's offside is immensely frustrating after such a great build up. He is a mile off. I thought he'd cut that out of his game since growing a football brain...
Just watched the app highlights after having seen MOTD last night (had been on Extreme Score Avoidance up to then). The latter didn't show either of the first two offside goals (one each).Ollie's offside is immensely frustrating after such a great build up. He is a mile off. I thought he'd cut that out of his game since growing a football brain...
To be honest I was going to post about this earlier, but then thought what's the point?Just watched the app highlights after having seen MOTD last night (had been on Extreme Score Avoidance up to then). The latter didn't show either of the first two offside goals (one each).Ollie's offside is immensely frustrating after such a great build up. He is a mile off. I thought he'd cut that out of his game since growing a football brain...
You do realise he scored two fantastic goals don't you?
By the sound of it, I dont think he even realises we won.
By the sound of it, I dont think he even realises we won.
If he thinks Ollie was less than perfect yesterday then what about that carthorse Haaland ?
I had the Villa TV full replay on this morning while I worked, and I had to laugh when Taylor said something like “can you believe some people knock Ollie Watkins”.I was think about this while running today (need to think of engaging things to take my mind of the pain). I think only dwight yorke and benteke were better in the PL era, certainly for an extended period
He’s literally the best bloody striker we’ve had in a long time, our third highest scorer in the Premier League in less than four seasons, and on almost 20 goals this campaign with still at least 15 games left to play.
If he ain’t good enough for you, fuck knows what would be, and that’s all your problem, not his.
| Games | Goals | Goals / Game | PL Games | PL Goals | PL Goals / Game | Goals / Season | PL Goals / Season | |
| Benteke | 101 | 49 | 0.49 | 89 | 42 | 0.47 | 16.33 | 14.00 |
| Watkins | 151 | 61 | 0.4 | 134 | 53 | 0.4 | 15.25 | 13.25 |
I had the Villa TV full replay on this morning while I worked, and I had to laugh when Taylor said something like “can you believe some people knock Ollie Watkins”.I was think about this while running today (need to think of engaging things to take my mind of the pain). I think only dwight yorke and benteke were better in the PL era, certainly for an extended period
He’s literally the best bloody striker we’ve had in a long time, our third highest scorer in the Premier League in less than four seasons, and on almost 20 goals this campaign with still at least 15 games left to play.
If he ain’t good enough for you, fuck knows what would be, and that’s all your problem, not his.
Yorke was about as naturally gifted a forward as we've had. He could do just about everything, while making it all look so easy. And Benteke's record was absolutely incredible, considering his three seasons here we finished 15th, 15th, and 17th. Imagine how he'd have got on in a side challenging for European football?
Ollie isn't up there with those two, yet, but if he carries on in the way he's played the first 60% of this season, then he certainly will be. He's clearly not as gifted as those two, but he works incredibly hard to make the most of the talent that he does have. The fact he's worked himself into a position to be Harry Kane's first-choice back-up for England speaks volumes. There are probably more gifted English forwards to choose from, but none of them works as hard as Ollie.
And Benteke's record was absolutely incredible, considering his three seasons here we finished 15th, 15th, and 17th. Imagine how he'd have got on in a side challenging for European football?
Yes exactly! I loved Benteke, such an exciting player in such poor Villa sides, but he really never reached those heights when he had the opportunity. Not slating him at all, he kept us up for all those years, but for me as controversial as it might be, Watkins is an all round better player.And Benteke's record was absolutely incredible, considering his three seasons here we finished 15th, 15th, and 17th. Imagine how he'd have got on in a side challenging for European football?
At Liverpool, you mean? Not that well!
Yes exactly! I loved Benteke, such an exciting player in such poor Villa sides, but he really never reached those heights when he had the opportunity. Not slating him at all, he kept us up for all those years, but for me as controversial as it might be, Watkins is an all round better player.
Yorke was about as naturally gifted a forward as we've had. He could do just about everything, while making it all look so easy. And Benteke's record was absolutely incredible, considering his three seasons here we finished 15th, 15th, and 17th. Imagine how he'd have got on in a side challenging for European football?
Ollie isn't up there with those two, yet, but if he carries on in the way he's played the first 60% of this season, then he certainly will be. He's clearly not as gifted as those two, but he works incredibly hard to make the most of the talent that he does have. The fact he's worked himself into a position to be Harry Kane's first-choice back-up for England speaks volumes. There are probably more gifted English forwards to choose from, but none of them works as hard as Ollie.
I'd add in Carew. Injuries and Martin O'Neill being a div stopped him quite getting to the heights he was capable of, but that bloke had everything in his game, and stuck the ball in the net with pleasing regularity.
Yes exactly! I loved Benteke, such an exciting player in such poor Villa sides, but he really never reached those heights when he had the opportunity. Not slating him at all, he kept us up for all those years, but for me as controversial as it might be, Watkins is an all round better player.And Benteke's record was absolutely incredible, considering his three seasons here we finished 15th, 15th, and 17th. Imagine how he'd have got on in a side challenging for European football?
At Liverpool, you mean? Not that well!
Watkins offers more to the team as a whole.
I reckon prime Benteke in this team would piss off the manager for not following instructions but would still be loved by the fans.
Yorke would be bloody amazing in this team though.
Watkins offers more to the team as a whole.
I reckon prime Benteke in this team would piss off the manager for not following instructions but would still be loved by the fans.
Yorke would be bloody amazing in this team though.
Prime Yorke as an option for the Diaby/Bailey position in the current team would guarantee us top four, and probably a decent title challenge.
[Gary Penrice enters the chat]Followed closely by Guy Whittingham.
Watkins makes the very most of his talent - but is not particularly brilliant at anything except working bloody hard.
There is a very long list of players who if they had his work ethic could have had brilliant careers - Collymore, Carew, Gabby and Carbone are four that come to mind.
Watkins makes the very most of his talent - but is not particularly brilliant at anything except working bloody hard.
There is a very long list of players who if they had his work ethic could have had brilliant careers - Collymore, Carew, Gabby and Carbone are four that come to mind.
I agree with most of your post but highlighted the bit I don't. I'd say he's brilliant at keeping his concentration and remembering his coaching instruction. His 2nd goal was an example. He uses that to leave his defender for dead and to get away so he can get in his shot unheeded. That's a skill very few have in the Prem' and the reason pundits are lauding him as an essential back up at the Euros.
Watkins makes the very most of his talent - but is not particularly brilliant at anything except working bloody hard.
There is a very long list of players who if they had his work ethic could have had brilliant careers - Collymore, Carew, Gabby and Carbone are four that come to mind.
I agree with most of your post but highlighted the bit I don't. I'd say he's brilliant at keeping his concentration and remembering his coaching instruction. His 2nd goal was an example. He uses that to leave his defender for dead and to get away so he can get in his shot unheeded. That's a skill very few have in the Prem' and the reason pundits are lauding him as an essential back up at the Euros.
I felt sorry for Saunders when he scored against Ipswich with the outrageous lob, only to then be pipped for GOTM by Yorke finishing off an 18 pass (or so) move in the same match
Very true thoughts those. Yorke for me was my first Villa hero, he really did have it all. I loved Benteke for his sheer presence and ability to dominate a centre back. Watkins is the prime example of Jack Nicklaus (?) expression of “the harder I train the luckier I get”, his all round game has massively improved under Unai.
Shout out for the most naturally talented forward we’ve had in my Villa supporting life though, Dalian Atkinson. What a player he could have been.
I think they were different games? Ipswich and Sheff Wednesday?
I felt sorry for Saunders when he scored against Ipswich with the outrageous lob, only to then be pipped for GOTM by Yorke finishing off an 18 pass (or so) move in the same match
I think they were different games? Ipswich and Sheff Wednesday?
Nope, this shows all the GOTM for the GOTY list and the Ipswich one is in there. (As well as the Sheffield Wednesday one). We had four up that season but as it was also the season of rain at Selhurst Park, the winner was already chosen in October.
Very true thoughts those. Yorke for me was my first Villa hero, he really did have it all. I loved Benteke for his sheer presence and ability to dominate a centre back. Watkins is the prime example of Jack Nicklaus (?) expression of “the harder I train the luckier I get”, his all round game has massively improved under Unai.
Shout out for the most naturally talented forward we’ve had in my Villa supporting life though, Dalian Atkinson. What a player he could have been.
Gary Player - "The more I practice, the luckier I get"
Re Ref Watch Dermot 'The man who knows everything' Gallagher, thought the ref had an 'Outstanding game'! and thought it was not a pen, so did Stephen Warnock, Sue Smith thought it was a pen, well done Sue.
The added time seems to have gone back to normal after the longer periods earlier in the season.
But doesn't contain the Dean Saunders goal against Ipswich which was described as the goal of the decade by John Motson when it happened.
I will never forget watching the trajectory of that goal from the back of the Holte.
The added time seems to have gone back to normal after the longer periods earlier in the season.
Watkins makes the very most of his talent - but is not particularly brilliant at anything except working bloody hard.
There is a very long list of players who if they had his work ethic could have had brilliant careers - Collymore, Carew, Gabby and Carbone are four that come to mind.
I agree with most of your post but highlighted the bit I don't. I'd say he's brilliant at keeping his concentration and remembering his coaching instruction. His 2nd goal was an example. He uses that to leave his defender for dead and to get away so he can get in his shot unheeded. That's a skill very few have in the Prem' and the reason pundits are lauding him as an essential back up at the Euros.
He came short and dragged Diop with him, then spun back into the space which he knew was there and also knew he would still be onside as their defence is not as coached as ours for keeping a line. I haven't seen the offside another person was moaning at him for getting, but I wonder if they did get their line right in a similar situation.
But doesn't contain the Dean Saunders goal against Ipswich which was described as the goal of the decade by John Motson when it happened.
I will never forget watching the trajectory of that goal from the back of the Holte.
That was my original point. He scores that lob and the Yorke goal in the same match got the pick for the GOTM. I'm assuming he was in the GOTM competition and they used to get the 0898 numbers to decide it. But it was also the same season as Dalian's dillydally into the box so even if he was rightly chosen for he month, he had no chance for the season anyway.
I think they were different games? Ipswich and Sheff Wednesday?
Nope, this shows all the GOTM for the GOTY list and the Ipswich one is in there. (As well as the Sheffield Wednesday one). We had four up that season but as it was also the season of rain at Selhurst Park, the winner was already chosen in October.
The added time seems to have gone back to normal after the longer periods earlier in the season.Thankfully yes. We all have lives outside football and stuff to be getting on with so the less minutes the better, we had 21 extra minutes at Anfield last year.
Sorry to be pedantic but i think the goal you're talking about was against Sheffield Wednesday in a quite majestic performance, 2-0 not flattering us at all. A cracking team, and if we'd have had a couple more in the squad as back up we'd have surely pipped those dirty manc bastards to the title. Well, and if they hadn't had Fergie time in their home game against Sheff Wednesday.
I felt sorry for Saunders when he scored against Ipswich with the outrageous lob, only to then be pipped for GOTM by Yorke finishing off an 18 pass (or so) move in the same match
I think they were different games? Ipswich and Sheff Wednesday?
Nope, this shows all the GOTM for the GOTY list and the Ipswich one is in there. (As well as the Sheffield Wednesday one). We had four up that season but as it was also the season of rain at Selhurst Park, the winner was already chosen in October.
That goal against Wednesday was always my favourite, it would have been even better if Deano hadn’t tried the cheeky flick before it came to Yorke.I think they were different games? Ipswich and Sheff Wednesday?
Nope, this shows all the GOTM for the GOTY list and the Ipswich one is in there. (As well as the Sheffield Wednesday one). We had four up that season but as it was also the season of rain at Selhurst Park, the winner was already chosen in October.
But doesn't contain the Dean Saunders goal against Ipswich which was described as the goal of the decade by John Motson when it happened.
I will never forget watching the trajectory of that goal from the back of the Holte.
I saw some random info graphic that backed that up, apparently most away goals for Villa is Yorke, Benteke/Saunders and now Watkins.I could do all competitions buts a bit fiddly to do, so I haven’t, but in league terms Ollie is now level with Yorkie (and Charlie Athersmith) regarding away goals. Before he became fat and useless, Gabby scored most of his goals away from home when we played on the break under MON. Here is my all-time list:
I saw some random info graphic that backed that up, apparently most away goals for Villa is Yorke, Benteke/Saunders and now Watkins.I could do all competitions buts a bit fiddly to do, so I haven’t, but in league terms Ollie is now level with Yorkie (and Charlie Athersmith) regarding away goals. Before he became fat and useless, Gabby scored most of his goals away from home when we played on the break under MON. Here is my all-time list:
Away League Goals – 1888 to present:
74 - Hampton H, Walker WH
64 - Waring T
61 - Bache JW
60 - Devey JHG
56 - Houghton WE
55 - Dixon JT
40 - Agbonlahor GI
37 - Broome FH
36 - Hitchens GA, McParland PJ
35 - Capewell LK, Garraty W
33 - Hateley A, Stephenson C
31 - Astley DJ, Shaw GR, York RE
30 - Brown G
28 - Graydon RJ
27 - Little B, Withe P
25 - Athersmith WC, Watkins OGA, Yorke DE